CBO Announces Upward Revision in ObamaCare's Costs by 29%; Media Ignores

The CBO now estimates that the subsidies, which are to be offered through exchanges beginning in 2014, will cost 29 percent more than the CBO initially projected in 2010. The projected 10-year cost has increased by $233 billion.

via @davidhogberg

Posted by: Ace at 01:42 PM

Comments

1 not first?

Posted by: assault flounder at February 19, 2013 01:43 PM (Kkt/i)

2 Color me surprised.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 19, 2013 01:43 PM (IDSI7)

3 Really? Only 29%

Posted by: Sunny at February 19, 2013 01:44 PM (j6Axb)

4

It's gotta be hard to keep repeating how miserable the media is.

Posted by: beach at February 19, 2013 01:45 PM (LpQbZ)

5 Zero just might ruin the demorat party. Or out them. From gun "control" (remember 1994) to this POS "legislation", once people find out what's in it, the revolt against this bullshit will be on.

Mockery, calling them out, etc., must be done EVERY day every interview. And conservatives need to come up with A MOTHER FUCKING ALTERNATIVE.

How has this not been done yet? Where are our ideas in this arena. If we put nothing forward we will have nothing to show as the alternative!!!!

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 19, 2013 01:45 PM (tVTLU)

6 Another glaring example of the assault media.

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 19, 2013 01:46 PM (tVTLU)

7

Is ANY of this leaking into the mud-caked liberals minds?

How can they not see this, or feel the encroaching effects of JEF's destruction?

Do they really NOT care? They've got theirs?

Posted by: beach at February 19, 2013 01:46 PM (LpQbZ)

8 Lots of inbiggened bills which will be paid for with all our soon-to-be inbiggened currency.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 19, 2013 01:46 PM (4Mv1T)

9 Obama is a puppet master, jedi master, or some shit like that...

DON'T BLAME US!!!

Posted by: MFM at February 19, 2013 01:46 PM (UZQM8)

10 Heh. Suck it bitches.

Posted by: Math at February 19, 2013 01:46 PM (BrQrN)

11 Color me surprised.

you bastard !
thats what I was going to say !!

so now I am forced to say " no duh ! "
far inferior ...

Posted by: alec at February 19, 2013 01:47 PM (usWYv)

12 Are we going to organize our fight against the media or are we just going to whine and watch our country collapse?

It is a serious question.

Posted by: GardenGnome at February 19, 2013 01:47 PM (3f/jH)

13 Really? Only 29%
Posted by: Sunny at February 19, 2013 01:44 PM (j6Axb)

That's great news. The CBO is usually off by 50% at least.

Posted by: Invictus at February 19, 2013 01:47 PM (OQpzc)

14 Zero just might ruin the demorat party. Or out them. From gun "control" (remember 1994) to this POS "legislation", once people find out what's in it, the revolt against this bullshit will be on.

That should have been the case in the first run.

They will simply find a new meme to spread about how it's really the conservative's fault. I'm serious.

Posted by: beach at February 19, 2013 01:47 PM (LpQbZ)

15 Oh thank goodness.

If the gaming conversation extends to anything past 1986, I'm screwed.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 19, 2013 01:47 PM (piMMO)

16 Huh? Chuck Todd just told me there is no Leftist media bias. Our betters wouldn't lie to us, would they?

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 19, 2013 01:48 PM (7ObY1)

17 How does my ass taste?

Posted by: Math at February 19, 2013 01:48 PM (GQ8sn)

18 >>>puppet master, jedi master, or some shit like that...

He is the Master Bater.

Surely you saw this coming.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 19, 2013 01:48 PM (4Mv1T)

19 Are we going to organize our fight against the media or are we just going to whine and watch our country collapse?

It is a serious question.
Posted by: GardenGnome at February 19, 2013 01:47 PM (3f/jH)

Someone mentioned a boycott of NBC/MSNBC over at the conversation.

Posted by: beach at February 19, 2013 01:49 PM (LpQbZ)

20 If we put nothing forward we will have nothing to show as the alternative!!!!
Posted by: Prescient11 at February 19, 2013 01:45 PM (tVTLU)

Tort Reform, portability... at least that was my last memo from the GOP. That was pre-Romney though.

Posted by: cajun carrot at February 19, 2013 01:49 PM (UZQM8)

21 Oh thank goodness.

If the gaming conversation extends to anything past 1986, I'm screwed.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 19, 2013 01:47 PM (piMMO)

You and me both.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at February 19, 2013 01:49 PM (l86i3)

22 And I'll call you Shirley anytime I please.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 19, 2013 01:49 PM (4Mv1T)

23 Almost a 30% increase in Obamacare costs =not reported.

A phony 1% decrease in unemployment = front page news.

Posted by: LASue at February 19, 2013 01:49 PM (gjIQF)

24 Affirmative Action has consequences.

Posted by: garrett at February 19, 2013 01:49 PM (CrdIx)

25
$101 in my gas tank today.

Thanks, Obama!

This is why I kept reminding yous to do your Post-It notes at the gas pump last summer. Connect Obama with misery of gas prices.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 19, 2013 01:49 PM (QVBzT)

26 "What's $233 billion among friends?"

-The MFM

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 19, 2013 01:49 PM (4df7R)

27 It is a serious question.
Posted by: GardenGnome at February 19, 2013 01:47 PM (3f/jH)

If you have a plan to overcome human nature, lay it out there and we'll critique it.

Posted by: Invictus at February 19, 2013 01:50 PM (OQpzc)

28 remember, 51% of Americans thought all of this was a great idea

Stupid

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 19, 2013 01:50 PM (8sCoq)

29 Zero just might ruin the demorat party. Or out them. From gun "control" (remember 1994) to this POS "legislation", once people find out what's in it, the revolt against this bullshit will be on.

If there was going to be a revolt, it would have manifested itself last November.

Let it Fucking Burn.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 19, 2013 01:50 PM (7ObY1)

30
Alinski's Rules

Cloward and Piven

Fabians' Window

You guys think this is all an error or accidental?? Think again.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 19, 2013 01:50 PM (nELVU)

31 Not a single dime!!

Posted by: Barack Obama at February 19, 2013 01:50 PM (AWmfW)

32 Has anyone pointed out that Clarence is a dunce yet? Or that we're boned, because mostly, we're boned.

Posted by: toby928� for TB at February 19, 2013 01:50 PM (evdj2)

33 The very principle of conservatism is to not organize.

Conservatives need to survive the impending doom individually.

Stop participatin', start hatin'.

Posted by: Opus An Arcus at February 19, 2013 01:50 PM (mzVX+)

34 Oh thank goodness. If the gaming conversation extends to anything past 1986, I'm screwed.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse

Wanna play with my joystick?

Posted by: Atari 2600 at February 19, 2013 01:51 PM (BrQrN)

35
By my math that's an overall savings of 2971%

Suck on that wingnuts!

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at February 19, 2013 01:51 PM (CrdIx)

36 How the hell were they off their projection by 233 billion?

How does the CBO explain that error?

Posted by: tasker at February 19, 2013 01:51 PM (r2PLg)

37 Momentarily OT, Gen. John Allen retires, citing family illness.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 19, 2013 01:52 PM (piMMO)

38
or you could devise a 59 point economic plan

whoever advised Mitt to do that needs to be horsewhipped

in this day and age of ignorant voters with no attention span, a 59 point plan?? really??

Posted by: soothsayer at February 19, 2013 01:52 PM (uff2W)

39 How does the CBO explain that error?

They finally read the entire bill?

Posted by: Infidel at February 19, 2013 01:52 PM (O/fK8)

40 You are a stupid, stupid bunch of people

Posted by: Athenian at February 19, 2013 01:52 PM (SO2Q8)

41 If only somebody predicted this.

Posted by: NeoKong at February 19, 2013 01:53 PM (JWLwG)

42 The costs will sky rocket and break the bank. If you think we have deficits now, just you wait. This is the WORST piece of shit legislation ever passes. And those are it's good parts

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 19, 2013 01:53 PM (9Bj8R)

43 ♫I'm the TAXMAN!♪

Posted by: Justass Roberts at February 19, 2013 01:53 PM (AWmfW)

44 If you have a plan to overcome human nature, lay it out there and we'll critique it.

Yep. I'm open, nay eager, for suggestions. I already don't give the media any money, and steal from them when the opportunity presents. Short of actual murder, I'm out of ideas.

Posted by: toby928� for TB at February 19, 2013 01:53 PM (evdj2)

45 Tort reform should be front and center, absolutely. But we needa comprehensive system where all government does is encourage competition and provide catastrophic coverage to try and prevent medical bankruptcies or at least help in such circumstances.

We need AN ALTERNATIVE.

Beach: sometimes I think they can try to pin it on conservatives, but that's getting stale. Every speech by zero is a fucking broken record. He says the same shit again and again.

Even the sycophants are going to start to realize that his time is done and he truly sucked as a leader. All in due time. These fucks now portray Reagan as some great leader, because they have to. Information is now widespread, we just have to continue hammering it home.

God knows the truth but waits.

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 19, 2013 01:53 PM (tVTLU)

46 My ass hurts.

Posted by: I's got the No-reach-around Blues. at February 19, 2013 01:54 PM (i7B17)

47 2
Color me surprised.

That's a sort of baby-shit brown/bile sort of hue isn't it?

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at February 19, 2013 01:54 PM (Qxdfp)

48 Kim Kardashian wants to have sex with herself though! They reported that.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at February 19, 2013 01:54 PM (71LDo)

49 I can't wait for the whole fuck you we aren't setting up exchanges thing to hit the federal courts under some equal protection bullshit claim. Can't. Wait.

Posted by: alexthechick - Chaotic Evil Hobbit. at February 19, 2013 01:54 PM (VtjlW)

50 You are a stupid, stupid bunch of people
Posted by: Athenian at February 19, 2013 01:52 PM (SO2Q

The racism in this statement is so thick, you could brush it on a hot chicken wing.

Posted by: Opus An Arcus at February 19, 2013 01:54 PM (mzVX+)

51 2016 predictions:

TFG Approval -> 35% only because MFM still running cover.

National Debt: 22 trillion, with another credit rate drop.

UE -> 10% reported, 30% real

GOP Candidate -> Rubio

DEM Candidate -> Cuomo - winning by 80 or more EVs

Voter turnout -> Less than 2012.

House: Repubs by a hair.

Sen: Dems by a hair.

The Mood: Epic Pissed

Result: Same old fucking shit...

Posted by: cajun carrot at February 19, 2013 01:54 PM (UZQM8)

52 Since CBO was so spot-on with their first estimate, what do we expect the actual cost to be?

Posted by: SH at February 19, 2013 01:55 PM (gmeXX)

53
CBO still way underestimating the costs by at least 200%.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 19, 2013 01:55 PM (p/cQy)

54 And you have to assume that they are off by at least 100%.

Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 01:55 PM (53z96)

55 How the hell were they off their projection by 233 billion? How does the CBO explain that error?
Posted by: tasker at February 19, 2013 01:51 PM (r2PLg)

I can't really fault the CBO. They can only work with the numbers they have at the time, and when you're talking about estimates that are five to ten years out, based on numbers given to you by a corrupt administration, you're going to have shitty results.

My personal philosophy is to take anything a government entity says something will cost, double it, then add up to an additional 20% depending on the scope of the project. Anything less than that is foolish, and even THEN you're probably low-balling the figure. Government NEVER comes in on budget, let alone under budget. The rare times it does are SO rare as to be statistically insignificant.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 19, 2013 01:56 PM (4df7R)

56 2016 predictions:

I'm bookmarking that, on the chance that we might have internet in the camps.

Posted by: toby928� for TB at February 19, 2013 01:56 PM (evdj2)

57 Politicians should have to undergo background checks before being put on the ballot.. They should have insurance to the tune of $16.5 Trillion also. And there shouls be periodic checks of their residences by marshalls.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at February 19, 2013 01:57 PM (71LDo)

58 Cajun Carrot:

Andrew Cuomo is fucking done. Put it in the bank. His little schtick about needing 10 bullets to kill a deer.

Reference: 1994. Back then it killed the dems and public opinion was more pro-gun control back then.

Goodbye PA, Goodbye MI, Goodbye WI. Yes, people don't vote and are uninterested. But mess with their lives and their guns, watch the fuck out.

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 19, 2013 01:57 PM (tVTLU)

59 "Mister President! Who won? You or Tiger?"

Posted by: Bastards asking the really tough questions at February 19, 2013 01:57 PM (N9rAA)

60 CBO still way underestimating the costs by at least 200%.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 19, 2013 01:55 PM (p/cQy)

And your an optimist!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 19, 2013 01:57 PM (9Bj8R)

61 ♫ For the numbers they are a-changing. ♪

Posted by: Climate Model at February 19, 2013 01:57 PM (AWmfW)

62 Remember the Crash of '29 headlines? We'll bury this next one on page 32, near the bottom.

Posted by: The Criminally Liable Media at February 19, 2013 01:57 PM (vbh31)

63 Un. Precedented.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at February 19, 2013 01:58 PM (zpqa2)

64 How many "journalists" are there in total in the U.S.?
Maybe 90% of them are hard Left Obama toe-suckers.
Average body weight, we'll say (these days) 180 lbs. Carcass yield, we'll say, 50%.
You could feed the FSA for a long time if you converted the "journalists" to protein snacks.
Just a Modest Proposal, is all.

Posted by: Thorvald at February 19, 2013 01:58 PM (1V6Pv)

65 Wasn't is back in 2000 or so, the CBO said we'd be running budget surpluses by now?

CBO is a joke. They are forced to run the numbers with the ass-umption that the political lies are not lies.

Posted by: Invictus at February 19, 2013 01:58 PM (OQpzc)

66 62:

Fucking hilarious. Assault media. Criminal media. etc., etc., etc.

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 19, 2013 01:58 PM (tVTLU)

67 Obama: they told me they FIXED it! Oh wait... (Glares at Hillary). I'm talking about guns now; you'll have to fix it.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at February 19, 2013 01:58 PM (+aaxF)

68 Well at least you get a doctor and not a shaman, amirite?

Posted by: Unfrozen Caveman MENSA Chapter President at February 19, 2013 01:58 PM (Ae28/)

69 My personal philosophy is to take anything a government entity says something will cost, double it, then add up to an additional 20% depending on the scope of the project. Anything less than that is foolish, and even THEN you're probably low-balling the figure. Government NEVER comes in on budget, let alone under budget. The rare times it does are SO rare as to be statistically insignificant.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 19, 2013 01:56 PM (4df7R)

__________________

Probably a good technique. I've always tripled what ever time the government says they will have something done by...

Investor's Business Daily has some of the reasoning behind the CBO's revision:

[i[The CBO's new baseline estimate shows that ObamaCare subsidies offered through the insurance exchanges � which are supposed to be up and running by next January � will total more than $1 trillion through 2022, up from $814 billion over those same years in its budget forecast made a year ago. That's an increase of nearly 29%.
The CBO upped the 10-year subsidy cost by $32 billion since just last August.
In part, this jump is because more people will get insurance via the exchanges than it had forecast. Where the CBO had seen 22 million enrolled in an exchange in 2022, it now figures 25 million will be.
That explains only part of the cost hike. The rest is largely the result of the CBO's sharp increase in what it expects the average subsidy will be.

Posted by: tasker at February 19, 2013 01:58 PM (r2PLg)

70 originally, I thought it would be a 50% increase.
So this is actually a 21% cost cut......in newmath .

Posted by: VIA, on the tiny keyboard at February 19, 2013 01:59 PM (uk5D3)

71 I wonder how the CBO would score the inevitable NHS that the Democrats have planned?

Posted by: toby928� for TB at February 19, 2013 02:00 PM (evdj2)

72 Posted by: Prescient11 at February 19, 2013 01:57 PM (tVTLU)

Sorry I meant Booker... cuomo just burned into my head though.

Posted by: cajun carrot at February 19, 2013 02:00 PM (UZQM8)

73 This MFM or Mainstream Media term just isn't cutting it. We need a catchy, derisive label that will perjure and ridicule them and will stick.

Posted by: Bastards asking the really tough questions at February 19, 2013 02:00 PM (N9rAA)

74 Crazy thought. Maybe it will interest some morans.

I would posit that The Walking Dead has done more to help with public opinion on guns. When SHTF you want a fucking gun. Lots of them. If you have to keep reloading then you are fucked.

Culture does matter. I had this exact conversation with a hot 23 year old chick that said she was totally against any new gun bans. Totally.

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 19, 2013 02:00 PM (tVTLU)

75 The destruction of the insurance industry, and the health care industry, and the general economy is going to happen suddenly and unexpectedly in 2014 when everything happens all at once.

It's gonna be exciting. The news media will just LOVE it.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at February 19, 2013 02:00 PM (Mix/J)

76
The Official AoS 10 Stages of Comment Threads

1. Outrage
2. Historical anectdotes
3. Threats of revolution
4. Boobs
5. More ancient historical references
6. Arguing with trolls
7. Threats of secession
8. Acceptance
9. Foods
10. Boobs

Posted by: soothsayer at February 19, 2013 02:00 PM (wAng0)

77 Commie Rat Bastards?

Posted by: toby928� for TB at February 19, 2013 02:00 PM (evdj2)

78 #33 The very principle of conservatism is to not organize.

Conservatives need to survive the impending doom individually.

Stop participatin', start hatin'.

Posted by: Opus An Arcus at February 19, 2013 01:50 PM (mzVX+)

My own plan is to stop interacting with liberals at a personal level. If I have to interact with them, I will call them out on any BS that spews from them. I won't knowingly do business with any company that supports a liberal agenda if it's possible.

Fuck them all.

Posted by: Marmo at February 19, 2013 02:01 PM (QW+AD)

79 is this the time to poop myself , kick off my shoes , run, or use a ball point pen ?

Posted by: alec at February 19, 2013 02:01 PM (usWYv)

80 Off rotten sock

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at February 19, 2013 02:01 PM (N9rAA)

81 I can't really fault the CBO. They can only work with the numbers they
have at the time, and when you're talking about estimates that are five
to ten years out, based on numbers given to you by a corrupt
administration, you're going to have shitty results.

If you put your name on something then you take ownership of it. Fuck taking these cocksuckers off the hook if they're too fucking dumb to not cover their fat asses. The reason accounting firms have credibility is that when they sign off on financial statements, if there's chicanery going on their asses are on the line.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 19, 2013 02:01 PM (klH5X)

82 Nobody cares, because they all assume someone else will have to pay for it. Freeloader Nation, welcome to it.

Posted by: Klawnet at February 19, 2013 02:01 PM (hQFp3)

83 Cajun:

Booker might be done too, re his statement that he wanted to ban handguns. But he is clever, unlike that retard Cuomo, and has been "moderating" his comments lately stating that "law abiding" gun owners are not the problem.

No. Fucking. Shit.

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 19, 2013 02:01 PM (tVTLU)

84 "Nobody needs a hundred drum magazine" says some stupid scrunt in the CO legislature. Stupid bitch.

Posted by: Ronster at February 19, 2013 02:01 PM (JgkPs)

85
Dear Leader has promised us unlimited tree bark soup vouchers, when shit gets real.

Posted by: The Criminally Liable Media at February 19, 2013 02:02 PM (vbh31)

86 "Nobody needs a hundred drum magazine"

It barely fits under that thing that goes up.

Posted by: toby928� for TB at February 19, 2013 02:02 PM (evdj2)

87 Probably a good technique. I've always tripled what ever time the government says they will have something done by...

All the more reason I find it hysterical that anyone believes the Obammycare exchanges and databases will be up and running before the next fricking century, let alone next YEAR. You want to talk about herding cats? Try herding a bunch of dead cats that have been reanimated by eldritch powers and whose sole impulse is to feed on the flesh of innocents, and who really don't give a shit that you'd like them to funnel into that handy paddock, and MAYBE you'd come close to what it'll be like to get all of this shit up and running.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 19, 2013 02:02 PM (4df7R)

88 This whole thing was designed to go bankrupt.
The whole point is to force single-payer/Medicare For All on the country.
The goal is true nationalized healthcare like the UK.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 19, 2013 02:03 PM (ZPrif)

89 >>>The Official AoS 10 Stages of Comment Threads

1. Outrage

2. Historical anectdotes

3. Threats of revolution

4. Boobs

5. More ancient historical references

6. Arguing with trolls

7. Threats of secession

8. Acceptance

9. Foods

10. Boob

You COMPLETELY forgot booze. Completely. Just sayin'

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 19, 2013 02:03 PM (4Mv1T)

90 76
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2. Historical anectdotes
3. Threats of revolution
4. Boobs
5. Socks
6. More ancient historical references
7. Arguing with trolls
8. More socks
9. Threats of secession
10. Acceptance
11. Foods
12. Foods, Boobs and Socks

Posted by: soothsayer at February 19, 2013 02:00 PM (wAng0)

My attempt to update.

Posted by: cajun carrot at February 19, 2013 02:03 PM (UZQM8)

91 Fucking Romney.

Posted by: toby928� for TB at February 19, 2013 02:03 PM (evdj2)

92 Car flipping thread up.

Stop self flagellating and come have some fun.

Defy Gravity!

Smile!

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at February 19, 2013 02:04 PM (qyv02)

93 Posted by: Prescient11 at February 19, 2013 02:01 PM (tVTLU)

Possibly, but we are dealing with an electorate with the attention span of a 3 month old.

Posted by: cajun carrot at February 19, 2013 02:04 PM (UZQM8)

94 I've long suspected CBO of being a hotbed of virulent racists. Now we have the proof.

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 19, 2013 02:05 PM (1rU+d)

95 Posted by: soothsayer at February 19, 2013 02:00 PM (wAng0)

My attempt to update.
Posted by: cajun carrot at February 19, 2013 02:03 PM (UZQM

You guys forgot selective butthurt.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at February 19, 2013 02:05 PM (l86i3)

96 Good News. I just landed a commercial for Popeye's where I'll appear in blackface.

Posted by: Alec Baldwin at February 19, 2013 02:05 PM (Ae28/)

97 If you put your name on something then you take
ownership of it. Fuck taking these cocksuckers off the hook if they're
too fucking dumb to not cover their fat asses. The reason accounting
firms have credibility is that when they sign off on financial
statements, if there's chicanery going on their asses are on the line.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 19, 2013 02:01 PM (klH5X)
At the very least the CBO should probably expand it's ranges, alter it's model or start saying less stuff is scorable.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 19, 2013 02:06 PM (kLNMp)

98 On the previous thread I commented that stupid will get us all killed one day.

Example from Denver NBC affiliate today:

KUSA - An RTD bus was going northbound in the southbound HOV lanes on Interstate 25 near Interstate 70 Tuesday morning until RTD dispatch told the driver.

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 19, 2013 02:06 PM (8sCoq)

99 No seriously stop this. If you pick it, it won't heal.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at February 19, 2013 02:06 PM (qyv02)

100 you forgot longbows and crossbows. separate items, please

Posted by: moron at February 19, 2013 02:07 PM (Ae28/)

101
Just think of us as cheerleaders on the Titanic, urging the iceberg on to victory.

Posted by: The Criminally Liable Media at February 19, 2013 02:07 PM (vbh31)

102 That's why I dismiss the notion that single-payer is the future the end-game here.

The Dems aren't that smart. Single-payer has always been passed under the same lie as ObamaCare: That is will improve everything and cost less.

We all know that it never does that, but that's how they sell it.

Problem here is: The costs of ObamaCare are hitting hard and fast long before anyone gets the benefits and long before it's too baked in to change.

It's like all the bad parts of single-payer before any of the good, initial results show up.

The Dems really thought all their promises were true. They really believe that the magic wand of government can work wholesale rejection of the free market.

"We shall order the cost curve bent and thus it will be!"

This--ObamaCare--WAS their single-payer endgame.

I mean, how are they going to sell, "Well, ObamaCare failed at every single promise we made. Which is why we need a even bigger, even more massive government program."

Add in all the Dems who lost their seat over it. Throw in the now-bankrupt major insurance companies that sold out for a few years chance at what they thought would be record profits under ObamaCare. Profits that never happened as rational people looked at the law--and instead of buying insurance, like the companies thought they would--said, "F it, I ain't buying shit."

Where are they going to get this massive support for a whole new government program?

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 19, 2013 02:08 PM (VjL9S)

103 No shit.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at February 19, 2013 02:08 PM (qwK3S)

104 Posted by: cajun carrot at February 19, 2013 02:03 PM (UZQM

You guys forgot selective butthurt.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at February 19, 2013 02:05 PM (l86i3)

It's a living, breathing document you reichwinger!

Posted by: cajun carrot at February 19, 2013 02:09 PM (UZQM8)

105 How 'bout "PPSs"? (Potential Protein Snacks.)

Posted by: Thorvald at February 19, 2013 02:09 PM (1V6Pv)

106
MFM coverage:
Obamacare costs rise exponentially: crickets

Obama's Reggie Love Weekend: a few mentions

Obama complaining about sequestration: All day, all the time.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 19, 2013 02:09 PM (p/cQy)

107 Massive cost overruns?

Who'd have thunk it?!

Maybe we can put all the old sick people in the Bullet Train to Nowhere. There should be plenty of empty seats.

Posted by: PJ at February 19, 2013 02:09 PM (ZWaLo)

108 The Official AoS 10 Stages of Comment Threads

1. Outrage
2. Historical anectdotes
3. Threats of revolution
4. Boobs
5. More ancient historical references
6. Arguing with trolls
7. Threats of secession
8. Acceptance
9. Foods
10. Boobs

****

You missed OTs.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 19, 2013 02:09 PM (piMMO)

109 Where are they going to get this massive support for a whole new government program?

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 19, 2013 02:08 PM (VjL9S)
Cost obscuring though. People seem oddly disconnected from what a government program costs.So they notice the insane increase in their personal health insurance premiums, but if that change were rolled into a new FICA or a tax increase they'd be less aware of it.Or at least that's what I've seemed to notice anecdotally and I'm wondering if that's the play here.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 19, 2013 02:10 PM (kLNMp)

110 This--ObamaCare--WAS their single-payer endgame.

Posted by: RoyalOil

Joseph Hacker, one of the MIT assholes who contributed to the policy papers that became O-care, said O-care is single payer.

This isn't news. It's what the GOP failed to exploit.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 19, 2013 02:11 PM (Ipj15)

111
Dear leader understands fully that the low/no information voter will just blame the insurance companies...and of course, Bush.

Posted by: The Criminally Liable Media at February 19, 2013 02:12 PM (vbh31)

112 Well boomers, it was nice knowing ya, but I think there is gonna be some cost cutting going on if this program stays.

Posted by: cajun carrot at February 19, 2013 02:14 PM (UZQM8)

113 Well boomers, it was nice knowing ya

Yes! Yes! Bring on the death panels!

Posted by: The Criminally Liable Media at February 19, 2013 02:15 PM (vbh31)

114 Yes! Yes! Bring on the death panels!

Posted by: The Criminally Liable Media at February 19, 2013 02:15 PM (vbh31)

What interests me is that there is a New TV show, called 'Monday Morning' about a hospital and the Board it has when DRs F up and a patient dies???

Like they would really do that, considering anything said there would be a Liability nightmare...

Not to mention there would have to be a LOT of questionable deaths to make this a weekly show about ONE Hospital....

Lowering expectations of DRs? Who are AGAINST Obamcare?

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 19, 2013 02:19 PM (lZBBB)

115 CBO is the institutional personification of "garbage in, garbage out".

Imagine sitting down in your Geometry class way back when, and having to write a proof...a proof where half of the "GIVEN"s weren't written yet, and even the ones you were provided with were subject to change.

You would have failed.

Yeah, and the media just rolls along and reports any rosy prediction from them as gospel.

Posted by: akula51 at February 19, 2013 02:22 PM (EzOzr)

116 Oh baby! Obama we love you, we praise you! rub my wiener.

Oh, our healthcare premium has gone from $249 a month to $419 since Obamacare was passed? oh well, nothing to see here!!

(biggest FUCKING OUTRAGE ever)

Posted by: Just the Facts at February 19, 2013 02:23 PM (m6Fkk)

117 This--ObamaCare--WAS their single-payer endgame.

Posted by: RoyalOil

Joseph Hacker, one of the MIT assholes who contributed to the policy papers that became O-care, said O-care is single payer.

This isn't news. It's what the GOP failed to exploit.
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Yup.

I mean, if it wasn't single-payer, what would be different? Not much, really.

And here's where the left failed: They forgot that in all the other countries where single-payer was implemented there is no higher political power than the federal government. They could force every political subdivision to participate.

But, we have 50 states, each still clinging to a thread of their own sovereignty.

The Piss-Yellow Coward John Roberts' kindest cut--that the forced expansion of Medicare was unconstitutional--may have been the fatal blow. And I believe that was a 6-3 or 7-2 ruling.

We will see. There is a lot of smoke of businesses cutting back and dropping coverage.

The next show--the bonfire--will be individuals losing their coverage as premiums increase.

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 19, 2013 02:24 PM (VjL9S)

118 11. Correct spelling of "anectdotes."

12. Get called a Nazi for that.

13. Barrel for leaving italics on.

Posted by: comatus at February 19, 2013 02:30 PM (qaVK+)

119 76
The Official AoS 10 Stages of Comment Threads

1. Outrage
2. Historical anectdotes
3. Threats of revolution
4. Boobs
5. More ancient historical references
6. Arguing with trolls
7. Threats of secession
8. Acceptance
9. Foods
10. Boobs

Forgot Kittehs and Doggehs

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at February 19, 2013 02:32 PM (+aaxF)

120 If you go to the source document from the CBO, there's a lot of interesting things to notice.

First,they essentially admit that you won't be able to keep your coverage if you like it (one of Obama's key selling points), since by 2019 some 11 million Americans will have lost their employer, nongroup or "other" coverage.

Second,the "uninsured" -- who the whole thing was apparently constructed for -- still number 29 million in 2023. Mission Not Accomplished.

Third, the CBO simply assumesthat people will move from private insurance (employer and nongroup and other insurance) to government programs (Medicaid, CHIP, and government exchanges). This is stealth nationalization.

Fourth,there is something funny about the numbers. In each year, the number of people estimated to bein the government exchanges and Medicaid and CHIP goes up by the exact number of people who leave their private insurance or decide to get coverage rather than remain uninsured. Are those really the only choices? I don't think so.

I think it is equally likely that many more employers will choose to give up offering insurance benefits. And I also think it is very likely that a significant number of employees who will now be uninsured will choose to remain uninsured either (a) because negotiating the government exchanges is too cumbersome; or (b) because they now know that, if they don't have insurance and get sick, they can't be turned down for coverage later.

If the CBO were playing straight they would do what good actuaries do... give a range of stochastic possiblities from the worst case to best case scenario.

P.S. Theworst case scenario is complete collapse of theprivate health insurance market followed by single-payer, followed by death panels.

Posted by: The Regular Guy at February 19, 2013 02:34 PM (qHCyt)

121 Throw Boomers from the Plan

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at February 19, 2013 02:34 PM (+aaxF)

122 The Official AoS 10 Stages of Comment Threads

Guns?

Posted by: rickl at February 19, 2013 02:38 PM (zoehZ)

123 Posted by: Romeo13 at February 19, 2013 02:19 PM (lZBBB)

They're called "MM conferences (hence "Monday Mornings") it's short for "Morbidity and Mortality."

They're real. They're usually very closed door though.
And I don't think they happen until after the dust settles either.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 19, 2013 02:44 PM (kLNMp)

124 For a second there, I thought it said projected 10-year costs went up by $233 Billion.

Posted by: OCBill at February 19, 2013 02:47 PM (YJvVE)

125 You know, when you have $233 billion here and $233 billion there, pretty soon you're talking about real money!

Posted by: Phinn at February 19, 2013 02:50 PM (oFH2D)

126 #freeshit

Posted by: BuddyPC at February 19, 2013 03:32 PM (jfUIE)

127 Hey, what's a few hundred billion more dollars going to matter at this point?

L.I.B.

Posted by: Observer at February 19, 2013 03:57 PM (/sohm)

128 In other news, 50% of America is in for a major wake-up call. That'll be fun to see.

Posted by: tops116 at February 20, 2013 01:35 AM (GPIio)

129 <p>This cake is <del>delicious<del> terrible.<p>

Posted by: Toure at February 21, 2013 02:41 PM (w+Dvf)

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