Bizarre: The Economy Helped Re-Elect Obama

I say bizarre but not "wrong" -- Obama did, after all, win reelection, in about the same range the economocentric models predicted.

The idea is that people don't vote on absolute numbers (8% unemployment) but rather on change/directionality of numbers (10% to 8%).

Apparently they are not sophisticated enough to take that to the next level -- figuring out the average (natural) rate of growth and judging a president harshly if his figures nominally change in the right direction but to a lesser extent than they would have under virtually any other hypothetical president.

But then, people are dumb and getting dumber. It's Science (TM).

Ever can’t help but think you’re surrounded by idiots? A leading scientist at Stanford University thinks he has the answer, and the bad news is things aren’t likely to get any better.

Dr. Gerald Crabtree, a geneticist at Stanford, has published a study that he conducted to try and identify the progression of modern man’s intelligence. As it turns out, however, Dr. Crabtree’s research led him to believe that the collective mind of mankind has been on more or a less a downhill trajectory for quite some time.

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“I would wager that if an average citizen from Athens of 1000 BC were to appear suddenly among us, he or she would be among the brightest and most intellectually alive of our colleagues and companions, with a good memory, a broad range of ideas, and a clear-sighted view of important issues. Furthermore, I would guess that he or she would be among the most emotionally stable of our friends and colleagues. I would also make this wager for the ancient inhabitants of Africa, Asia, India or the Americas, of perhaps 2000–6000 years ago. The basis for my wager comes from new developments in genetics, anthropology, and neurobiology that make a clear prediction that our intellectual and emotional abilities are genetically surprisingly fragile, and that a situation in which intelligence is not constantly being favored over stupidity results, within a span of a century, in David Frum.”

I added that last part, after "fragile."

His basic idea -- if I understand it right -- is that man formerly faced life-or-death situations an awful lot, and intelligence played a role in whether he survived. Thus, intelligence tended to become more prevalent in a population, and stupidity less prevalent.

And now that our world is idiot proof (well, nothing's idiot proof, but more idiot proof at least) populations' collective average IQ is on the fall.

Thanks for the Stupid Link to @tkarpis

Posted by: Ace at 12:04 PM



Comments

1 Well yeah. Watch Idiocracy.

Posted by: @JohnTant at February 19, 2013 12:06 PM (PFy0L)

2 90% of the American public is lazy, stupid and worthless.
Leaving approx. 30 mil. of us to run the place.

Posted by: graywolf at February 19, 2013 12:06 PM (PjoeY)

3 Because we don't call it out on it's bullshit and lies and we don't fight back and we let IT control the agenda. And we don't call out the MSM either. This is a battle to the death and until we treat it is as such, we will lose over and over and over again.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 19, 2013 12:07 PM (9Bj8R)

4
Apparently they are not sophisticated enough to take that to the next level -- figuring out the average (natural) rate of growth and judging a president harshly if his figures nominally change in the right direction but to a lesser extent than they would have under virtually any other hypothetical president.



"Durrrr, you use big words and long sentences. Un-follow!"

-Idiot with the right to vote

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 19, 2013 12:08 PM (4df7R)

5
Precisely why I kept pleading that Romney quit using the phrase "worst economic recovery."

All people hear is recovery. And then they connect Obama with 'recovery.'

Posted by: soothsayer at February 19, 2013 12:08 PM (NLH1M)

6 The paleocons have some very dark stuff to say about this topic.

Posted by: Matt at February 19, 2013 12:08 PM (90w0O)

7 Dude! I just chugged a quart of Brawndo. Call the doctor!

Posted by: fluffy at February 19, 2013 12:08 PM (z9HTb)

8 I certainly can't say that all conservatives are smart, but it does seem that an overwhelming percentage of Obama's supporters are mindless Demotrons.

Posted by: Blacksheep at February 19, 2013 12:09 PM (8/DeP)

9 Remember; 50% of people are below average intelligence

Posted by: David Furm at February 19, 2013 12:09 PM (nTgAI)

10 And thanks to welfare, there are plenty of babymamas out there (of all races, btw) who are more than happy to just pump out kids from any number of babydaddies, regardless of the quality of those babydaddies, just to keep the money rolling in. So don't look for the intelligence ratio to perk up any time soon.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 19, 2013 12:10 PM (4df7R)

11 Supposedly "primitive" artifacts tend to show a high degree of sophistication when studied in depth, for sure. I am not sure that I buy the idea that people were more intelligent in earlier centuries, though - I imagine that they were about the same - but I could buy the idea that having to put more thought and effort into doing everyday tasks encourages people to hone pre-existing problem-solving skills more than we do today. A lot of premodern labor was simpledrudgery, however.

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 19, 2013 12:10 PM (BMldJ)

12 ahhh...off fat sock

Posted by: The Jackhole at February 19, 2013 12:11 PM (nTgAI)

13 just as those with handicaps are described as "differently abled", we also have a situation where stupidity is described as something like "differently intelligent" (eg, the idea from the early 1990s that there could be a "feminine math" because men had concocted math in a way that women couldn't understand)

Posted by: mallfly at February 19, 2013 12:11 PM (bJm7W)

14 ahhh...off fat sock
Posted by: The Jackhole at February 19, 2013 12:11 PM (nTgAI)



Heh. I was going to say, "Pot, meet kettle." Hee!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 19, 2013 12:11 PM (4df7R)

15 Depressing corollary to the above thesis: they're getting dumber on our side too, not just on the liberal side of the aisle.

Posted by: Jeff B. at February 19, 2013 12:12 PM (IykOf)

16 derp

Posted by: EC at February 19, 2013 12:12 PM (GQ8sn)

17
Meanwhile in our little bubble...

During '12, we had DOOM posts

Even if all the doom stats were accurate, we shoulda recognized that only a tiny sliver of the population were knowledgeable and concerned with it.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 19, 2013 12:12 PM (uaJ2E)

18 Ace - not only are people dumb, but they are sand-thumpingly, mind-bogglingly, brain-bendingly, will-drink-out-of-the-toilet-if-you-left-the-lid-up stupid.

Face it, 515 of this country has one too many chromosomes.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at February 19, 2013 12:13 PM (YYJjz)

19 Obama won because the Democrats own the mass media. Really nothing else matters.

LiFB.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 19, 2013 12:13 PM (evdj2)

20 just as those with handicaps are described as "differently abled", we also have a situation where stupidity is described as something like "differently intelligent" (eg, the idea from the early 1990s that there could be a "feminine math" because men had concocted math in a way that women couldn't understand)
Posted by: mallfly at February 19, 2013 12:11 PM (bJm7W)


*seething*

Don't get me started on the way the left has fucked up our language. Seriously, that rant is a long, vicious one that would probably get me arrested in certain mid-East countries, and certainly banned from some of the more genteel conservative blogs.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 19, 2013 12:13 PM (4df7R)

21
"Well yeah. Read The Marching Morons"
FIFY.

Posted by: Jess1 at February 19, 2013 12:13 PM (lbiWb)

22 and smart, driven successful people tend to have way fewer children than idiots on welfare.

(what? someone had to say it.)

Posted by: Timin203 at February 19, 2013 12:14 PM (azmhu)

23
Meanwhile in our little bubble...

During '12, we had DOOM posts

Even if all the doom stats were accurate, we shoulda recognized that only a tiny sliver of the population were knowledgeable and concerned with it.

We never saw the great disconnect between the issues and the people, and that is why we were blindsided in November.

But it was all right there in front of us to see plain as day.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 19, 2013 12:14 PM (vyPsz)

24 I don't believe the Homo sapiens gene pool has shifted that much in just 3,000 years. The average Athenian to the average Joe? No way. Three thousand years in human genomics is trivial.

That's not to say large populations of humans aren't embracing Idiocracy, but I don't believe it's due to any genetic drift. Environment can impact human behavior without it necessarily contaminated the genome.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 19, 2013 12:14 PM (eHIJJ)

25 Don't get me started on the way the left has fucked up our language. Seriously, that rant is a long, vicious one that would probably get me arrested in certain mid-East countries, and certainly banned from some of the more genteel conservative blogs.

---

I think the short form of your rant is "Orwell was right."

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 19, 2013 12:14 PM (e0xKF)

26 Interesting but it's over-thinking. Mostly, swing voters picked Obama because they think he's cool and they haven't heard about any of the negative stuff that he's done.

That's it. "Cool" guy vs. stuffy guy + insanely favorable media coverage. Everything else is just window dressing.

Posted by: Jerry at February 19, 2013 12:15 PM (yPcNj)

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Posted by: Obamao at February 19, 2013 12:16 PM (JtyGg)

28 Stupidity is no longer fatal, or a prohibition to breeding, or even slightly painful. Thus, the percentage of stupids is growing.

Posted by: DC in Towson, assault human at February 19, 2013 12:16 PM (iRTO8)

29 Don't get me started on the way the left has fucked up our language.

Postmodernism theory at work: Perception is reality, and language controls perception. Reality can therefore be manipulated by manipulating language.

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 19, 2013 12:16 PM (BMldJ)

30 Posted by: Obamao at February 19, 2013 12:16 PM (JtyGg)

Barrel.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 19, 2013 12:17 PM (e0xKF)

31 Basically the guy who seems cooler (or less lame) has won every election of most of our lifetimes.

Posted by: Jerry at February 19, 2013 12:17 PM (yPcNj)

32 Depressing corollary to the above thesis: they're getting dumber on our side too, not just on the liberal side of the aisle.

Agreed. I'm fully convinced our 2024 nominee will be decided by their performance on a special episode of The Apprentice.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 19, 2013 12:17 PM (SY2Kh)

33 DC in Towson, did you read my reply to you in the dump thread?

Posted by: EC at February 19, 2013 12:17 PM (GQ8sn)

34
I've always wondered whether the fact that so many people were on unemployment actually helped him. I know a few people who had lost their jobs and were worried that Republican cost cutting would mean the end of their benefits. Those people are still unemployed and their benefits are going to run soon anyhow.

Posted by: RayJ at February 19, 2013 12:17 PM (pI/IV)

35 I've been saying this for a long time- Americans are becoming more stupid.

And Stupid People elect and then re-elect a POS like Obama. Because they just don't have the brain power to Think Things Through.

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 19, 2013 12:18 PM (8sCoq)

36 I've commented elsewhere that I noticed the country as a whole getting dumber around 2006. And I blame the media, but I can't be sure if that is cause- or effect.

Posted by: backhoe at February 19, 2013 12:18 PM (ULH4o)

37 Speaking of idiots and the economy... sign Rand's petition to audit the fed. Let's find out just what the hell Bernanke has been up to: http://t.co/N7jy58GG

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 19, 2013 12:18 PM (piMMO)

38 Three thousand years in human genomics is trivial.

It's 170 generations. I'll bet that if we decided culturally that big eared people were the hawt, I mean bat-boy sized ears, in 170 generations we could fly like Sister Bertrille.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 19, 2013 12:18 PM (evdj2)

39 sorry bought that mess above...

DO NOT COPY FROM MSWORD

Posted by: Obamao at February 19, 2013 12:18 PM (JtyGg)

40 The problem with the theory that immediate danger produces higher intelligence is that so many physical things can be argued to be more important.

In primitive times the highest genetic trait would be the best immune system. After that strength and speed could easily come before intelligence in hierarchy.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at February 19, 2013 12:19 PM (WVMUQ)

41 I don't trust this scientist guy.

After all, he's a modern dude, not a smart guy from ancient Athens...

Posted by: Joe Blow at February 19, 2013 12:19 PM (q006X)

42
Wait, wait, I just read about this in Moonwalking with Einstein. Back in the time of the Greeks people had to memorize a lot more in order to pass information on, they developed ways of memorizing information, "memory palaces" So, yes someone from Athens of that time period would probably best a lot of people of this time period in terms of recalling facts because they had developed the skills to do it.


On the other hand, we have the Internet now which is causing people to not remember things because they can just look it up. This may be changing the way our brains process other information, and not for the better.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at February 19, 2013 12:19 PM (RZ8pf)

43 sorry bought that mess above...

DO NOT COPY FROM MSWORD


Posted by: Obamao at February 19, 2013 12:18 PM (JtyGg)

Dumbass!
Oh yeah....

Posted by: EC at February 19, 2013 12:19 PM (GQ8sn)

44 The Republican in the House even helped Obama by not allowing f-unemployment benefits to be extended past mid-summer. This had the effect of having these unemployed moved off the tally of those still looking for work, thereby making the unemployment figure go lower.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at February 19, 2013 12:19 PM (e8kgV)

45 > Mostly, swing voters picked Obama because they think he's cool


And that's a stupid way to choose a President. QED

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 19, 2013 12:19 PM (8sCoq)

46 26
Interesting but it's over-thinking. Mostly, swing voters picked Obama
because they think he's cool and they haven't heard about any of the
negative stuff that he's done.



That's it. "Cool" guy vs. stuffy guy + insanely favorable media coverage. Everything else is just window dressing.

Posted by: Jerry at February 19, 2013 12:15 PM (yPcNj)
And Romney kept calling him a nice guy, so why not give him a second chance to clean up after evil bush.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at February 19, 2013 12:19 PM (AWmfW)

47 I still blame the Large Hadron Collider. All this other-worldly stupidity started when they fired that bitch up. We ripped space-time and crossed over into the Stupid Zone.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 19, 2013 12:19 PM (evdj2)

48 Supposedly "primitive" artifacts tend to show a high degree of sophistication when studied in depth, for sure. I am not sure that I buy the idea that people were more intelligent in earlier centuries, though - I imagine that they were about the same - but I could buy the idea that having to put more thought and effort into doing everyday tasks encourages people to hone pre-existing problem-solving skills more than we do today. A lot of premodern labor was simpledrudgery, however.
Posted by: Grey Fox at February 19, 2013 12:10 PM (BMldJ)


I wouldn't say that earlier people were more intelligent than modern man, but if you look at primitive man versus modern man and compare their relative intelligence, then that's where the argument comes into play. Primitive man HAD to be able to create tools, hunt game, build shelter, gather and eventually farm grain and other basic food stuffs. It was a matter of pure survival, and it sharpened their brains. If you couldn't learn how to cure the deer hide to make clothes for the winter you'd freeze to death. It was really that basic.
Today isn't like that, at least not in America. I'm pretty sure that if you dropped an African Bushman into the middle of New York City he wouldn't do much good in terms of aligning to the norms of modern society, but I bet he'd be able to get food (pigeons and rats aren't very tasty or healthy, but there's plenty of them), find shelter and keep himself alive far better than a New Yorker dropped in the Kalahari and left to his own devices.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 19, 2013 12:19 PM (4df7R)

49 EC, not sure, I've been in and out all day.

What was it about, your wife being a smoke show?

Posted by: DC in Towson, assault human at February 19, 2013 12:19 PM (iRTO8)

50 Not so funny after all: Remove warning labels and let the problem take care of itself.

Posted by: Jypsea Rose is @AmericanGypsea at February 19, 2013 12:19 PM (dDQqO)

51 1 Well yeah. Watch Idiocracy.

Once just a clever little parody, now a harbinger of things to come.

Posted by: JoeScarborough at February 19, 2013 12:20 PM (7ObY1)

52 Genetic drift, however, does explain how some still like to copy-paste directly from IE instead of through Notepad. The average Athenian could figure that out. They knew how to manage barrels.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 19, 2013 12:20 PM (eHIJJ)

53 Sock off.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 19, 2013 12:20 PM (7ObY1)

54 What was it about, your wife being a smoke show?

"You know what you must do. "

In response to your comment about getting her in the tiny shorts.

Posted by: EC at February 19, 2013 12:20 PM (GQ8sn)

55
Well, the decrease in intelligence explains why I get the impression most people are fucking stupid. Now we have proof that they actually ARE getting more fucking stupid. Stupid motherfuckers are producing stupid kids, and stupid is self sustaining. Like a cascade of stupid. We are ass deep in stupid. Drowning in stupid. Swimming in stupid. Somebody could write one hell of a sarcastic novel on the ascendency of stupid. The Empire of Fucking Stupid. Monty Python! Job opportunity! Mebbe not, the English seem even farther down the stupid tube than we are. Perhaps we can clone up a Neanderthal to lead us.

Posted by: maddogg at February 19, 2013 12:20 PM (OlN4e)

56 Jeez Louise, JohnTant is fast!
It does read just like the script from Idiocracy!

Posted by: Nick Shaw at February 19, 2013 12:20 PM (TRQvI)

57 >>>sorry bought that mess above...
DO NOT COPY FROM MSWORD

The barrels over there. Here's some lip balm.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 19, 2013 12:21 PM (0q2P7)

58 "Three generations of imbeciles are enough".

Posted by: O. W. Holmes at February 19, 2013 12:21 PM (SO2Q8)

59
Speaking of economic relativity, does anyone else find it curious that none of TFG's economic "achievements" have been compared to his predecessor? Take UE for example: W's numbers were around 5-6%, TFG's have been consistently around 8%, the real numbers are much higher.

And GDP growth? Again, W's around 3%, TFG's scraping bottom at around <2%. Yet, the typical LIV/Idocracy Citizen never relates to them?

WTF?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 19, 2013 12:21 PM (+z4pE)

60 People are drowning, they vote for the rope. What they can't see is that the rope is tied to their kids feet.

Posted by: Jean at February 19, 2013 12:21 PM (VHfsw)

61 Someone's been putting Brawndo in our water supply since 2006.

Posted by: EC at February 19, 2013 12:21 PM (GQ8sn)

62 I've always wondered whether the fact that so many
people were on unemployment actually helped him. I know a few people who
had lost their jobs and were worried that Republican cost cutting would
mean the end of their benefits. Those people are still unemployed and
their benefits are going to run soon anyhow.

Posted by: RayJ at February 19, 2013 12:17 PM (pI/IV)

Yeah me too actually.I've wondered that if in times of incredible instability and uncertainty if the man promising to make the safety net even more comfortable wins votes.Especially if the numbers are at least trending (mildly) downward. People think "well eventually we'll get back to normal and as long as we have 999 weeks of unemployment I'll be OK."
My wife is finally starting to see the corruptive influence of unemployment. She had the idea that it should be decreased the longer you go without a job to ratchet up the urgency of getting off it. (Keeping in mind that I think we're stuck with it as a whole, we might as well find a way to make it less like extended vacation.)

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 19, 2013 12:21 PM (kLNMp)

63 But Marco Rubio drank water!!! He drank water!!

Posted by: MSDNCBSABCNN at February 19, 2013 12:21 PM (cGlgB)

64 Am I good?

Posted by: Jean at February 19, 2013 12:22 PM (VHfsw)

65 2
90% of the American public is lazy, stupid and worthless.

Sturgeon's Law

90% of everything is crap.

Posted by: Obamao at February 19, 2013 12:22 PM (JtyGg)

66 And I would recommend the book Moonwalking with Einstein. I followed one chapter in the book to memorize a random list of items and I can still, 3 weeks later recite the list of items.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at February 19, 2013 12:22 PM (RZ8pf)

67 Oh, right. She wears the tiny shorts now. But the thong bikini in public is still a work in progress.

Posted by: DC in Towson, assault human at February 19, 2013 12:22 PM (iRTO8)

68 Apparently they are not sophisticated enough to take that to the next level -- figuring out the average (natural) rate of growth and judging a president harshly if his figures nominally change in the right direction but to a lesser extent than they would have under virtually any other hypothetical president

Integrals are racist.

Posted by: wooga, calculus humongous at February 19, 2013 12:22 PM (7SwK/)

69 The elephant in the room is the race angle. If the first black president didn't win re-election, then America would be a racist country. Obviously that couldn't be allowed to happen.

Plus abortion + gay marriage. A festering sore oozing pus from the Republican brand. Gotta keep those rape babies from being aborted.

Posted by: Eaton Cox at February 19, 2013 12:22 PM (+wxCD)

70 From Tim Blair. Proof it's not just Americans.

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/hes_cactus/

Posted by: Hedley Lamarr at February 19, 2013 12:22 PM (emy3J)

71 Oh, right. She wears the tiny shorts now. But the thong bikini in public is still a work in progress.

We'll take a pic of the shorts!

Posted by: EC at February 19, 2013 12:22 PM (GQ8sn)

72 How could people not know that that change from 10% to 8% was a damn lie? Nobody ever told them including our candidate.

Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 12:22 PM (53z96)

73 Look, the American people are smart, and they know value when they see it. When someone says they will give us better bang for our buck than the other guys, who better than the voter to decide whether that's where they want to invest their time and money?

Posted by: The University of Phoenix at February 19, 2013 12:23 PM (8/DeP)

74 >>>Remember; 50% of people are below average intelligence
The scary thing is where that average is, then coupled with the idea that half the folks can even get over that bar. It makes someone very pessimistic about the prospect of avoiding collapse.


>>>Well yeah. Watch Idiocracy.


Once just a clever little parody, now a harbinger of things to come.

I think average intelligence will rise sharply when the collapse hits.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 19, 2013 12:23 PM (0q2P7)

75 Postmodernism theory at work: Perception is reality, and language controls perception. Reality can therefore be manipulated by manipulating language.
Posted by: Grey Fox at February 19, 2013 12:16 PM (BMldJ)


Which is why I hate postmodernists with the hate of a thousand suns.

I've told the story before about my college professor who gave a lecture about postmodernism. "If we knock down a wall, is it still a wall? If we sit on a piece of the wall, couldn't we call it a chair? Is a wall still a wall when it's not fulfilling its function as a wall?"

My response was. "A wall that's knocked down is still a wall. It's just a knocked down wall. And its pieces aren't chairs. They're bits of rubble. These words already exist. Now fuck off."

I left that last bit off, but it was implied.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 19, 2013 12:23 PM (4df7R)

76 The University of Phoenix

Don't get me started on UoP.

Posted by: EC at February 19, 2013 12:24 PM (GQ8sn)

77 My wfe's graduateand postdoctoral advisors both had collaborations with Crabtree in the 80's and 90's. He's a smart guy who knows his stuff.

Posted by: Pervy Grin at February 19, 2013 12:24 PM (OxKj2)

78 You know what helps, juicing the numbers every month in a press release, then correcting it quietly in an update no one will hear about.

Posted by: Jean at February 19, 2013 12:24 PM (VHfsw)

79 Stupid will get us all killed someday

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 19, 2013 12:24 PM (8sCoq)

80 I would say it's more to do with the fact that as civilization(s) have grown more prosperous and it's science has provided the tools for an increase in the survival rate of the marginally intelligent.

In the past, those who were too stupid, too slow or too unaware were weeded out by environmental factors and hostile action.

Now we take pride in the saving of vast numbers of the willfully ignorant, the congenital stupid and the monumental clueless.

It is interesting that the group who most embraces the Theory of Evolution does it's most to prevent the basis of evolution from having any affect. Even to actually assisting in the perpetuation of those who in previous centuries would've been deemed by nature to be unfit to reproduce.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at February 19, 2013 12:24 PM (qyv02)

81 Shoot me NOW!!!!!! lol

Posted by: Killerdog at February 19, 2013 12:24 PM (R9/9P)

82 i'm on a church committee with a guy who's a PennDOT engineer.

He brings all the efficiency of the Pennsylvania Department of Transportation to the process along with all the creativity of the Department, plus he thinks the budget of the PA Dept of Transportation is necessary to accomplish even the smallest project.

I finally decided to not take my Tourettes meds prior to these meetings so I can curse the living hell out him and have a plausible out.

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Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 19, 2013 12:24 PM (J8DGo)

83 63
But Marco Rubio drank water!!! He drank water!!


Posted by: MSDNCBSABCNN at February 19, 2013 12:21 PM (cGlgB)

I hear his drinking problems getting worse.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at February 19, 2013 12:25 PM (AWmfW)

84 the trouble with making something idiot-proof is that idiots can be so stinking ingenious.

Posted by: jd at February 19, 2013 12:25 PM (ROXo4)

85 -- figuring out the average (natural) rate of growth and judging a president harshly if his figures nominally change in the right direction but to a lesser extent than they would have under virtually any other hypothetical president.
========

That, and free cell phones...

Posted by: Nighthawk at February 19, 2013 12:25 PM (RSqz2)

86 Case in point -

One time he said that he "built bridges"

I pointed out that, "No, you held a clipboard and watched bridges being built"

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Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 19, 2013 12:25 PM (J8DGo)

87 I hear his drinking problems getting worse.


Posted by: Temper Tantrum at February 19, 2013 12:25 PM (AWmfW)


He drinks every day, starting right in the early morning. He practically bathes in it!

Posted by: EC at February 19, 2013 12:26 PM (GQ8sn)

88 For the GOP, drinking water = career ender.

For a Dem, drunken sex-offender and (wo)manslaughterer = Lion of the Senate.

Posted by: Blacksheep at February 19, 2013 12:26 PM (8/DeP)

89

“I would wager that if an average citizen from Athens of 1000 BC were to
appear suddenly among us, he or she would be among the brightest and
most intellectually alive of our colleagues and companions, with a good
memory, a broad range of ideas, and a clear-sighted view of important
issues.




They'd take a look at Athens today and their heads would explode.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 19, 2013 12:26 PM (UOM48)

90
My term for it was "The Easy Bake Oven" recession.

It hasn't exactly caught on. Same basic premise though. People aren't suffering. Not REAL suffering. So they pretend.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 19, 2013 12:26 PM (TOk1P)

91 And lets not forget while doing all this navel gazing, Obama won for two reasons.

1. The FSA doesn't give a shit about anything but free shit. They don't pay taxes and they do not want a job.


2. The Republicans keep pushing lackluster moderates out there. The only time one of them wins is when the Dems run somebody even more lackluster and stupid.

Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 12:27 PM (53z96)

92 Maybe not so much the lack of intelligence but a huge reduction in the lack of critical thinking skills.

Posted by: Bosk at February 19, 2013 12:27 PM (n2K+4)

93 Dr. Crabtree’s research led him to believe that the collective mind of
mankind has been on more or a less a downhill trajectory for quite some
time.



Let's be honest here...


...I blame internet pr0n.

Posted by: EC at February 19, 2013 12:27 PM (GQ8sn)

94 toby928© for TB: "It's 170 generations. I'll bet that if we decided
culturally that big eared people were the hawt, I mean bat-boy sized
ears, in 170 generations we could fly like Sister Bertrille."


Back in the day, plump was the sign of hawt. Now look. Hawt, skinny chicks overflowing... Oh, wait.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 19, 2013 12:27 PM (eHIJJ)

95 Suppose the same argument could be made for our overall genetic fitness.

I mean, the mentally and physically disabled weren't exactly a priority when you have to chase bears out of your new home.

And think of all the illnesses that used to thin the herd of the weaker immune systems.

But, it all goes to the question: Are humans still evolving or not? Have we become the mammal version of sharks? Just too damned awesome for further refinement?


Posted by: RoyalOil at February 19, 2013 12:28 PM (VjL9S)

96 quick point about the Athens 1000BC quip-

Athens in 1000 BC was ruled by kings and citizenship fell along bloodlines.

Also, 1000 BC marked THE BEGINNING of the Greek Dark Ages.

-

500 BC is closer to his point. But, you know, smart.
_

Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 19, 2013 12:28 PM (J8DGo)

97
On the other hand, we have the Internet now which is causing people to not remember things because they can just look it up. This may be changing the way our brains process other information, and not for the better.
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at February 19, 2013 12:19 PM


There's a lot to that theory. When I was in school I learned things. My kid today, on the other hand, is learning how to *look things up.*

Posted by: @JohnTant at February 19, 2013 12:28 PM (PFy0L)

98 We're even letting them change the English Language. No more illegal aliens, but "future majority"?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 19, 2013 12:28 PM (9Bj8R)

99 There is a scene in one of the Mel Brooks movies in which a guy (Marty Feldman?) looks out a tent during a raging downpour of a thunderstorm and says, "It looks like it's letting up."

Same idea.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 19, 2013 12:29 PM (Hx5uv)

100 The problem was that Romney talked like a fag and his shit was all retarded.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 19, 2013 12:29 PM (evdj2)

101 Investors Business Daily - Deficit falling too fast:

"To be specific, CBO expects the deficit to shrink from 8.7% of GDP in
fiscal 2011 to 5.3% in fiscal 2013 if the sequester takes effect and to
5.5% if it doesn't. Either way, the two-year deficit reduction — equal
to 3.4% of the economy if automatic budget cuts are triggered and 3.2%
if not — would stand far above any other fiscal tightening since World
War II."

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at February 19, 2013 12:29 PM (rhu8R)

102 stupid is turning corn into fuel while tens of millions of people go hungry

stupid is pretending trillions of dollars in public debt is really a sign of economic recovery

stupid is wondering why the gun doesn't tell you how many 'bullets' are in it


Posted by: Jones in CO at February 19, 2013 12:29 PM (8sCoq)

103 We're even letting them change the English Language. No more illegal aliens, but "future majority"?

***

"Undocumented citizens?"

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 19, 2013 12:29 PM (Hx5uv)

104 Back in the day, plump was the sign of hawt. Now look. Hawt, skinny chicks overflowing... Oh, wait.

It's cultural.

In regions where food is scarce, fat is considered hawt because it's apparent they are getting enough food and nutrition. In areas where food is plentiful, skinny is hawt because it shows restraint against over-eating.

Posted by: EC at February 19, 2013 12:29 PM (GQ8sn)

105 ever read stuff 10 years old? it's smarter than today. Ever read stuff 200 years old. it's smarter than 100 years ago.

Posted by: No Feet Johnson at February 19, 2013 12:29 PM (KHo8t)

106

Another first for King O.

First US POTUS Reigning Over/During Least Collective IQ

Posted by: beach at February 19, 2013 12:29 PM (LpQbZ)

107 How about the numbers regarding the average families income dropping something like $3700 per year?

Every time someone I know gripes about increases in health insurance, loss of employer supplied health insurance, lessening of income, inflation of gas prices, inflation of grocery prices, I'm throwing the voters' reelection of TFG in their faces.

Posted by: nerdygirl at February 19, 2013 12:30 PM (tAOpG)

108 Has the CBO been right in any of their predictions since Pelosi took the helm of Congress?

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 19, 2013 12:30 PM (evdj2)

109
That show "Are You Smarter than a 5th grader" was interesting in its own way, and led to some blogs digging up old (oh like early part of the 20th century, and mid to end of the 19th century) examinations taken by 8th grade students in order to graduate.

8th grade at one time was a common place to end your formal education. The exams taken by those students were incomprehensible to college grads of today.

I'll see if I can find those links, it was a couple years ago.

Posted by: Boots at February 19, 2013 12:30 PM (oG66P)

110 When David Frum leaves the Republican party for the Democrats he will accomplish something unique:

He will simultaneously raise the IQ of both parties.
_

Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 19, 2013 12:30 PM (J8DGo)

111 Haven't read the comments, So I assume someone has pointed out the positive effects of the Darwin Awards.


Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 19, 2013 12:30 PM (FPM1s)

112 the trouble with making something idiot-proof is that idiots can be so stinking ingenious.
Posted by: jd at February 19, 2013 12:25 PM (ROXo4)


I've mentioned before, when you have to warn people about the presence of wheat in a box of Wheat Thins you've reached terminal stupidity. It's like warning me that there're peanuts in a jar of peanut butter. Warn me about them in pretzels, fruit snacks, ANYTHING that doesn't actually have the allergen in the damn name. If I can't figure out not to eat that thing just by reading the name then maybe I'm too stupid to live.

*headdesk*

It all began when we started warning people not to use their hair dryers in the shower. This is the natural conclusion.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 19, 2013 12:30 PM (4df7R)

113 I think we are facing life-or-death situations right now. Like sheep being led to slaughter. Fortunately some of us haven't drunk the kool-aid and can see what is happening. Sometimes I wish I could be one of those sheep and live in la-la land...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at February 19, 2013 12:30 PM (9+ccr)

114 A lot of the people I have casual interactions with strike me as high-functioning retards

I mean, my last names is Jones. I have been asked to spell it more than once.

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 19, 2013 12:32 PM (8sCoq)

115
We're even letting them change the English Language. No more illegal aliens, but "future majority"?

The meaning of words and concepts is disappearing, too. And along with that, logic.

Spock wept.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 19, 2013 12:32 PM (+z4pE)

116 I hear his drinking problems getting worse.

***

Over the next few months, as global warming really begins to take hold, I fear we may lose him to his thirst.

Somebody needs to stage in intervention now, before it's too late.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 19, 2013 12:32 PM (piMMO)

117 On the other hand, we have the Internet now which is causing people to
not remember things because they can just look it up. This may be
changing the way our brains process other information, and not for the
better.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at February 19, 2013 12:19 PM


Right. Just one small example: I used to have 20 or so telephone numbers memorized. Now I can't even remember my work number, and I've been there for three years.

Posted by: Gem at February 19, 2013 12:32 PM (zw+pb)

118
>>>We're even letting them change the English Language. No more illegal aliens, but "future majority"?
***
"Undocumented citizens?"

Unregistered Demonrats

Posted by: much more betterer at February 19, 2013 12:32 PM (Ks9M3)

119 EC, not a chance. But maybe she'll let me share.

Posted by: DC in Towson, assault human at February 19, 2013 12:33 PM (iRTO8)

120 Ughh! It's snowing like hell, and I have to drive down to Obamaland Theme Park, and Suckitarium today. On the plus side, I actually found a hotel in Alexandria that allows smoking! OMG, right?

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at February 19, 2013 12:33 PM (KESFj)

121 For most of human history, life has been rally hard and dying really easy. Whatever effect there might be on intelligence hasn't had much chance to work in most of the world.
Even in Europe/America only for a few centuries if that.
In the USA, arrivals were likely among the smarter/more determined from the populations they came from. Mixed in with a bunch o indians who had thing harder than the greeks, since they were mostly hunter/gatherers.
It's only been in maybe the last century (welfare state) that degradation might occur. Idiocy isn't rising nearly so fast as ignorance however. That can go up by leaps and bounds in a generation.


Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at February 19, 2013 12:33 PM (SO2Q8)

122 "19 Obama won because the Democrats own the mass media. Really nothing else matters. "

You mean those media people who think that Rubio's sipping water was a huge mistake, but whatever Menendez allegedly did was unimportant?

I'm looking forward to someone to do a study comparing the average IQ of actors with the average for the general population.

Posted by: nerdygirl at February 19, 2013 12:33 PM (tAOpG)

123 "Undocumented citizens?"

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 19, 2013 12:29 PM (Hx5uv)
========

My firearms aren't "illegal" they're just "undocumented".

Might be something to it after all...

Posted by: Nighthawk at February 19, 2013 12:33 PM (RSqz2)

124 I think that it is hard to judge the native intelligence of our citizens when we have state school system dedicated to not educating our children. It's hard to separate out the deliberately induced noise in the system from any natural decline.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 19, 2013 12:33 PM (evdj2)

125 Posted by: No Feet Johnson at February 19, 2013 12:29 PM (KHo8t)



Look at what they packed into the Constitution!



Then look at what they packed into the ACA!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 19, 2013 12:33 PM (Cnqmv)

126 Undocumented citizens?"

No, no, didn't you get the memo? It's Citizens without status...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at February 19, 2013 12:33 PM (9+ccr)

127 I mean, my last names is Jones. I have been asked to spell it more than once.

Blame Spike Jonez.

Posted by: EC at February 19, 2013 12:34 PM (GQ8sn)

128 A simple natural selection mechanism: Stupid people end up as bear shit. We have spent thousands of years getting rid of the bears, and protecting the stupid. The result is rather predictable.

Posted by: maddogg at February 19, 2013 12:34 PM (OlN4e)

129 Let's get rid of seatbelt laws for adults, but leave the belts available for use.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 19, 2013 12:34 PM (FPM1s)

130 We lost because we don't bring pipe wrenches to the polling places and bust the kneecaps of people stealing votes.

It's not that the country is dumb. It's that our side plays by rules the other side doesn't, and then we don't call them out on it.

Posted by: Truman North at February 19, 2013 12:34 PM (z4ySt)

131 Try taking the chapter questions in a 30-40 yo textbook.

On ANY topic of ANY grade. (well maybe not k-2)

Stuff many of us actually were taught. (I don't say learned because that would be presumptuous.)

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at February 19, 2013 12:34 PM (qyv02)

132 Did someone say butter?

Posted by: David Frum at February 19, 2013 12:34 PM (8ZskC)

133 EC, not a chance. But maybe she'll let me share.

Sharing is good!

Posted by: EC at February 19, 2013 12:34 PM (GQ8sn)

134 Sticky, ok here in Alexandria.

Posted by: Jean at February 19, 2013 12:35 PM (xBps2)

135 >>>On the other hand, we have the Internet now which is causing people to not remember things because they can just look it up.

Humans are adapting to their environment. With a machine to remember details for them, they adjust their heuristics to become an intelligent manager of a much larger data-set, rather than a storehouse and manager of a much smaller data-set. Their efforts are spent honing their data-management skills and interfacing with their fact knowing machines making the most efficient use of the available resources. Take away their machines and they will revert to their older heuristic of picking out important things to remember.

What your paranoia seems to overlook is the human brain adjusts very quickly to changes in its environment, and whatever ill effects you think are being caused by being able to look things up are not some evolutionary path that cannot be undone. It's just a realignment of a neural network for best efficiency, as easy to undo as to do.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 19, 2013 12:35 PM (0q2P7)

136 There is a scene in one of the Mel Brooks movies in which a guy (Marty Feldman?) looks out a tent during a raging downpour of a thunderstorm and says, "It looks like it's letting up."

Same idea.
Posted by: WalrusRex at February 19, 2013 12:29 PM (Hx5uv)


Actually I think that is the scene in Young Frankenstein where he and Gene Wilder are in a deep messy hole because they are digging out the coffin of the recently executed guy and Wilder says what a dirty disgusting job it is and Feldman says well it could be worse and then it starts to rain like cats and dogs

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 19, 2013 12:35 PM (9Bj8R)

137 Fuck the analysis. It got stole.

Posted by: Truman North at February 19, 2013 12:35 PM (z4ySt)

138 Mad dog, all of our nukes have made us soft

Posted by: Jean at February 19, 2013 12:36 PM (xBps2)

139 OT but Erik Erickson has written a piece about McConnell and Cos. efforts at taming Cruz.

He suggests that unless Cruz receives a great deal of support and praise from voters, he may succumb to the machine.

http://bit.ly/YjNrec

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 19, 2013 12:36 PM (piMMO)

140 Back in the day, plump was the sign of hawt. Now look. Hawt, skinny chicks overflowing... Oh, wait.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 19, 2013 12:27 PM (eHIJJ)

The elites fashion is based on food availability. When food is plentiful, they show their superiority by being lean. When food is scarce, buy being fat. And many of the proles get their bragging rights by aping the elites.

Posted by: Invictus at February 19, 2013 12:36 PM (OQpzc)

141 Take Idol and its ilk off the air, rip the warning labels off everything, disable redundant safety features, and let nature take its course.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Keeper of Ampersands and Breitbart Login Spaces at February 19, 2013 12:36 PM (GBXon)

142 “I would wager that if an average citizen from Athens of 1000 BC were to appear suddenly among us, he or she would be among the brightest and most intellectually alive of our colleagues and companions, with a good memory, a broad range of ideas, and a clear-sighted view of important issues. Furthermore, I would guess that he or she would be among the most emotionally stable of our friends and colleagues.

Guess, Professor? Guess?

The strain of nihilism in the academy is disgusting. I hope Prof. Crabtree thinks his way into an early grave.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 19, 2013 12:36 PM (Ipj15)

143 Welfare has defeated the evolutionary process and breed an indolent surviving class.

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 19, 2013 12:36 PM (Cnqmv)

144
"The exams taken by those students were incomprehensible to college grads of today."
I once posted copies of the test I took to get into Stuyvesant HS (specialized NYC HS) "back in the day" - I was accused of "making them up"...

Posted by: Jess1 at February 19, 2013 12:36 PM (lbiWb)

145 "50 Not so funny after all: Remove warning labels and let the problem take care of itself.
Posted by: Jypsea Rose is @AmericanGypsea"

Heh. I chuckle every time I get on my step ladder and see that sticker warning me to not stand on the top.
It has a cartoon of a guy standing on the top and falling. I suppose the secret service makes sure that the genius in office never gets on a ladder, cause I'm thinkin' he'd stand on the top.

Posted by: nerdygirl at February 19, 2013 12:36 PM (tAOpG)

146 The meaning of words and concepts is disappearing, too. And along with that, logic.Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 19, 2013 12:32 PM (+z4pE)
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David Thompson had a good post on this recently, linked to Fabian Tassano. The problem is that people are being taught to emote rather than to think. It's like we now have "I feel bad" = "I disagree". This is part and parcel of Leftism's victory in the sexual revolution as well: If it feels good, it must be right. If you begin to apply that beyond the bounds of sexual pleasure, to things like personal income and economic benefits, you get the Free Shit Army. "Hey, I feel like I'll get more money from this guy, so I'm right in voting for him. If you disagree with me, it's because you hate me."

Posted by: JeremiadBullFrog at February 19, 2013 12:36 PM (wDG5U)

147 Gas prices reaching $5.00/gal.

Wheeee!

Bush's fault.


-- LIV

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 19, 2013 12:36 PM (UOM48)

148
quick point about the Athens 1000BC quip-



Athens in 1000 BC was ruled by kings and citizenship fell along bloodlines.



Also, 1000 BC marked THE BEGINNING of the Greek Dark Ages.


***

I read an interesting theory one time about why the Illiad was written. It seems that after the Greeks defeated the Trojans (around 1200 B.C.), they began a period of decline in which literacy itself suffered greatly. When the Greeks began to recover, Homer was taken with the irony of their greatest most celebrated victory ushering an era of decline and wrote the Illiad as a depiction of the hollowness of their victory. (Homer wrote around 700B.C.) The writer drew parallels to Rome's victory in the Punic Wars which led to the end of the Republic as they squabbled about who would get the fruits of their victory and the Mexican American War in which we won a massive amount of land but then squabbled about whether it would be slave or free.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 19, 2013 12:36 PM (Hx5uv)

149 Its science so it must be true. I see no reason to doubt his hypothesis. Its simple evolution. Intelligence isnow no longer a huge benefit for evolution. Same thing with eyesight. Haven't ever seen this, but I'm willing to bet human eyesight has gotten worse and will do so.

Posted by: SH at February 19, 2013 12:36 PM (gmeXX)

150 Agreed. I'm fully convinced our 2024 nominee will be decided by their performance on a special episode of The Apprentice.


I fully intend to have my fingers in this process somewhere.

Posted by: Donald Trump at February 19, 2013 12:37 PM (8ZskC)

151 If constant exposure to life-or-death situations develops and promotes intelligence, than 3rd generation Chicago gangbangers ought to be the brightest people on the fucking planet.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at February 19, 2013 12:37 PM (Q9qpj)

152 On the actors IQ? Quite possibly, people with a lot of factual learning may not be able to suspend disbelief and get into a scene fully.

Reminded me of a comment to me by a salesmen (I was a repair tech at the time).

"Don't tell me how it works. It makes it harder to sell."


Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at February 19, 2013 12:38 PM (qyv02)

153 Let's get rid of seatbelt laws for adults, but leave the belts available for use.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 19, 2013 12:34 PM (FPM1s)


Heh. NH is the only state that doesn't require you to wear a seatbelt over the age of 18. This makes sense to me. Require the seatbelt up to age 18 so that you get into the habit of wearing it every time you get in the car, but after 18 you get to make up your own mind. It's not like your decision to wear your seatbelt is going to have any effect on whether or not you hit a car in the oncoming lane at five in the morning. It might hint at a somewhat wreckless lifestyle, but it's not in and of itself dangerous to anyone else.

I had this conversation with my lefty friend in Washington a few years ago. "NH doesn't require anyone over 18 to wear a seatbelt."

"That's stupid! Why not?"

"The better question is why should they?"

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 19, 2013 12:38 PM (4df7R)

154 The writer drew parallels to Rome's victory in the Punic Wars which led to the end of the Republic

Say what?

Posted by: Sulla, Caesar and Pompey at February 19, 2013 12:39 PM (8ZskC)

155

no one reads, anymore

one liners, dummied down to pictographs and icons with zero substantive worth

not hieroglyphics
not cave drawings

just LOLcats (see The Conversation)





Posted by: beach at February 19, 2013 12:39 PM (LpQbZ)

156
Speaking of busting kneecaps, anyone who promotes PoMo "thought" should be first on the list. How to spot them? They're fond of the word, "construct."

As I've mentioned here before, it's merely codified insanity.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 19, 2013 12:39 PM (+z4pE)

157 He will simultaneously raise the IQ of both parties.

_

Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 19, 2013 12:30 PM (J8DGo)

THREAD. WINNER.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at February 19, 2013 12:40 PM (qyv02)

158 Once again.


IDIOCRACY WAS A DOCUMENTARY!!!!




Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 19, 2013 12:40 PM (bb5+k)

159 Obama rigged all his tax increases for this term.


Take that as you want.

Posted by: cajun carrot at February 19, 2013 12:40 PM (UZQM8)

160 149, hand eye coordination drop arrested by video games?

Posted by: Jean at February 19, 2013 12:40 PM (xBps2)

161 150 Agreed. I'm fully convinced our 2024 nominee will be decided by their performance on a special episode of The Apprentice.


Or on "Ooh My Balls"

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 19, 2013 12:40 PM (7ObY1)

162 "The elites fashion is based on food availability. When food is
plentiful, they show their superiority by being lean. When food is
scarce, buy being fat. And many of the proles get their bragging rights
by aping the elites.

Anemic lilly white is a long lasting trend - only the wealthy upper crust can hang out in the shade all day - the commoners work out in the hot sun.

Posted by: Obamao at February 19, 2013 12:40 PM (JtyGg)

163 Idiocy isn't rising nearly so fast as ignorance however. That can go up by leaps and bounds in a generation.

_______________________

I really think that is the factor that people are noticing.

I think what the author is tailing about would take a bit longer to manifest and would be offset by other advancements in science--better nutrition during pregnancy , better delivery options.

What I think has happened is that people are no longer ashamed to be considered dumb.

It's almost a point of honor. Hollywood has glamorized--stupid.

And on the internet people can get their bad ideas reaffirmed.

Posted by: tasker at February 19, 2013 12:40 PM (r2PLg)

164 The Obama Touch strikes again. First, Ray's Hell Burger outside DC. From the Weekly Standard:

Well, it's happened again. In August, Obama visited Star Brewery
inDubuque. And now a local publication reports that the business is
closing its doors.



Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 19, 2013 12:40 PM (UOM48)

165 Because we don't call it out on it's bullshit and
lies and we don't fight back and we let IT control the agenda. And we
don't call out the MSM either. This is a battle to the death and until
we treat it is as such, we will lose over and over and over again.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 19, 2013 12:07 PM (9Bj8R)


Right on point, as usual.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 19, 2013 12:40 PM (bb5+k)

166 Heck, my Mom came up with that theory decades ago. Buying eyeglasses and braces for us kids, she said, "How on earth did our ancestors survive!" And something about, good thing we didn't have to fend for ourselves in the wild.

Posted by: Joe Salivatzar at February 19, 2013 12:41 PM (hHgxI)

167 And many of the proles get their bragging rights by aping the elites.
---
Thought that said '(r)aping the elites.

That would've been better

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at February 19, 2013 12:41 PM (SO2Q8)

168 I mean, my last names is Jones. I have been asked to spell it more than once.


Posted by: Jones in CO at February 19, 2013 12:32 PM (8sCoq)

You should change it to Smith.
Better yet: Djobilskonivich. They're remember THAT.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at February 19, 2013 12:41 PM (qyv02)

169 151If constant exposure to life-or-death situations develops and promotes intelligence, than 3rd generation Chicago gangbangers ought to be the brightest people on the fucking planet.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at February 19, 2013 12:37 PM (Q9qpj) Not a valid assumtion for cockroaches. Roaches aren't intelligent, but breed at such a rate that survival is assured by the law of averges.

Posted by: maddogg at February 19, 2013 12:41 PM (OlN4e)

170 Darwin was right! Who woulda thunk it?

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 19, 2013 12:41 PM (uhftQ)

171

yep, the sad thing is the formulas were changed to get from 10% to 8% in the first place.

I used to wonder how a whole people (Germany) could get mind-screwed into believing a mad man. I no longer wonder that.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 19, 2013 12:42 PM (p/cQy)

172 Also to get back toAce's original point about employment--I think people have less shame about being dependent on the government and they had more fear that they would actually need the "safety nets" offered by the Democrat party.

Posted by: tasker at February 19, 2013 12:42 PM (r2PLg)

173
"The better question is why should they?"
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 19, 2013 12:38 PM (4df7R)


Yep, and when your head smacks the windshield and you need life saving brain surgery, lets hope you have insurance or the means to cover it. Otherwise we get to pay for it. I'm all about absolute freedom to make choices. We fall short on the "being responsible for the choices you make" half of the equation.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at February 19, 2013 12:42 PM (l86i3)

174 >Ever can’t help but think you’re surrounded by idiots?<

Not a day goes by when I don't.

People largely can't spell, properly use grammar, have an intellectual conversation on diverse subjects, perform math or lucidly discern facts.

Even worse, talk to today's teachers. Most kids are cheats, perennial underachievers, pushed along in today's "everyone should feel special" environment and have grandiose expectations that are destined to fail because they are built on years of fallacious teachings and manufactured outcomes.

Present company mostly excluded of course:-)

Posted by: Marcus at February 19, 2013 12:42 PM (GGCsk)

175 Obama won because the Democrats own the mass media. Really nothing else matters.



LiFB.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 19, 2013 12:13 PM (evdj2)

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 19, 2013 12:42 PM (bb5+k)

176

Not a fan of "measuring" intelligence.

IQ funnels particular people into categories.

Then, there's that "emotional IQ."

And, the artist.

There really are different forms/types of genius; not just for knowledge of specific sciences.

Posted by: beach at February 19, 2013 12:43 PM (LpQbZ)

177 Having a hard time buying into the idea that the LIVs that elected Obama were aware of the UE numbers at all, let alone which way they were moving.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 19, 2013 12:43 PM (yCvxi)

178 I'd not read that bit about Homer but it sounds plausible.

I'm more vexed by the notion that the guy tosses a conclusion out there "citizen from 1,000 BC" without knowing what he's talking about.

and, worse, assuming that his readers won't notice.

Just say "Greece around the time of Pericles"or "Citizens of Greece in the Way-Back"

Me? I imagine that, were you to time travel Pericles Himself to this day and age he'd 1) not be a very competitive Jeopardy! player 2) he'd suck at Wheel of Fortune, and 3) he wouldn't be smarter than a 5th grader.

Also, he'd be accused by some of being a racist, war-mongerer, fan of slavery, with questionable fashion sense. Plus, no doubt, he'd hate women.
_

Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 19, 2013 12:43 PM (J8DGo)

179 think what the author is *talking* about would take a bit longer to manifest and would be offset by other advancements in science--

Posted by: tasker at February 19, 2013 12:44 PM (r2PLg)

180 We fall short on the "being responsible for the choices you make" half of the equation.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at February 19, 2013 12:42 PM (l86i3)

Ain't that the friggin' truth.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 19, 2013 12:44 PM (4df7R)

181 Ask a highschool kid to write a one page movie review (whoa there, ace!).

Odds are, it will be filled with run-on sentences, spelling mistakes, grammar errors, and devoid of any meaningful content relating to the purpose of the review.

Posted by: EC at February 19, 2013 12:44 PM (GQ8sn)

182 If this country crashes & truly does burn, there will be a lot of lefties surprised at how I vote them off of the island.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 19, 2013 12:44 PM (GFM2b)

183 EC: "It's cultural."

Yeah, I was just kidding. We aren't intentionally selecting out certain phenotypes, so a few thousand years isn't enough to alter the genome in humans. Now, were the time frame a lot longer (not geologic time but much longer than what has been suggested), then we might unintentionally select out certain phenotypes due to fitness which would alter the genome.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 19, 2013 12:45 PM (eHIJJ)

184
Take Idol and its ilk off the air, rip the warning labels off everything, disable redundant safety features, and let nature take its course.Posted by: Brother Cavil, Keeper of Ampersands and Breitbart Login Spaces at February 19, 2013 12:36 PM (GBXon)

THIS.

We need to let the congenitally disenfranchised pluck themselves out of the gene pool. My favorite safety warning: the one on windshield sunshades, advising users to remove the sunshade before driving.

I'd replace it with one that said, "If you like driving with the sunshade in place, here's the perfect winding mountain road to hone your skills."

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 19, 2013 12:45 PM (IDSI7)

185 If constant exposure to life-or-death situations develops and promotes intelligence, than 3rd generation Chicago gangbangers ought to be the brightest people on the fucking planet.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at February 19, 2013 12:37 PM (Q9qpj)
==============

Don't confuse intelligence with cunning.

Posted by: Nighthawk at February 19, 2013 12:45 PM (RSqz2)

186 I mean, my last names is Jones. I have been asked to spell it more than once.
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The 'D' might be silent

Posted by: DJango at February 19, 2013 12:45 PM (SO2Q8)

187 Screw you, Pixy. You can keep your paragraphs! I don't need 'em!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 19, 2013 12:45 PM (4df7R)

188
Basically the guy who seems cooler (or less lame) has won every election of most of our lifetimes.

Posted by: Jerry at February 19, 2013 12:17 PM (yPcNj)


Issues Smissues! I have long said that Presidential elections are primarily popularity contests. Democracy doesn't work. Voting should only be permitted for contributors.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 19, 2013 12:45 PM (bb5+k)

189 I used to wonder how a whole people (Germany) could get mind-screwed into believing a mad man. I no longer wonder that.

***

It happens slowly, in dribs and drabs. Look at the progress Obama has made in leading us down the Socialist path.

The sneaky bastards.

The collective immunity to shock has been so raised that now almost anything can slip by unnoticed by most.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 19, 2013 12:45 PM (piMMO)

190 Odds are, it will be filled with run-on sentences, spelling mistakes, grammar errors, and devoid of any meaningful content relating to the purpose of the review.

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In other words, just like the AOSHQ comment section.

Posted by: SH at February 19, 2013 12:46 PM (gmeXX)

191
Ask a highschool kid to write a one page movie review (whoa there, ace!).

Odds are, it will be filled with run-on sentences, spelling mistakes, grammar errors, and devoid of any meaningful content relating to the purpose of the review.
Posted by: EC at February 19, 2013 12:44 PM (GQ8sn)



Wat are u talkin 'bout? H8ter. LOL.

- 21st century's answer to Shakespeare.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 19, 2013 12:46 PM (IDSI7)

192 You also have the ease in which people can in a sense "self -publish" their thoughts to a wide audience.

Twitter.

The speed gets you a sort of stream of consciousness and people have less time to edit themselves. It is almost unfiltered.


Posted by: tasker at February 19, 2013 12:47 PM (r2PLg)

193 Haven't ever seen this, but I'm willing to bet human eyesight has gotten worse and will do so.
Posted by: SH at February 19, 2013 12:36 PM (gmeXX)



I blame the 1 pt font size due to multi-lingual labeling.

I should have invested in magnifying glasses years ago. Or, optometry in general.

Posted by: beach at February 19, 2013 12:47 PM (LpQbZ)

194 >
Not a fan of "measuring" intelligence.



IQ funnels particular people into categories.




Then, there's that "emotional IQ."



And, the artist.




There really are different forms/types of genius; not just for knowledge of specific sciences<

Indeed.

But then there is actual, measurable achievement in those fields and to society.

And there is less of that today, then in the past.

Because kids are mostly lazy and teachers/parents are apathetic.

Thus most of those kids are not prepared for the real world- no matter what field they choose.

Posted by: Marcus at February 19, 2013 12:47 PM (GGCsk)

195 If constant exposure to life-or-death situations develops and promotes intelligence, than 3rd generation Chicago gangbangers ought to be the brightest people on the fucking planet.Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at February 19, 2013 12:37 PM (Q9qpj)

That's a false correlation, though. In primitive peoples, it was the ones who survived who could pass along their intelligence. Chicago gangbangers kill each other off by the dozens. The ones who survive are the ones who get out.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 19, 2013 12:47 PM (4df7R)

196 I read an interesting theory one time about why the
Illiad was written. It seems that after the Greeks defeated the Trojans
(around 1200 B.C.), they began a period of decline in which literacy
itself suffered greatly. When the Greeks began to recover, Homer was
taken with the irony of their greatest most celebrated victory ushering
an era of decline and wrote the Illiad as a depiction of the hollowness
of their victory. (Homer wrote around 700B.C.) Posted by: WalrusRex at February 19, 2013 12:36 PM (Hx5uv)
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I dunno. History and Archaeology are heavily dependent upon written sources, so in the absence of writing we can't very easily tell what was going on in a civilization. The Early Dark Ages in Europe are a good example of this; the scholarship of the past 50-60 years has gone light-years is dispelling assumptions based on Renaissance/Reformation propaganda.
Also, we rely so heavily upon written sources ourselves that it's hard to imagine the power and vivacity of oral culture. For example, we know almost certainly that Homer's poetry was the produce of a lengthy oral tradition, which means that people must have been actively creative in the arts prior to him during the "dark ages".

Posted by: JeremiadBullFrog at February 19, 2013 12:47 PM (wDG5U)

197 Take Idol and its ilk off the air, rip the warning labels off everything, disable redundant safety features, and let nature take its course.Posted by: Brother Cavil, Keeper of Ampersands and Breitbart Login Spaces at February 19, 2013 12:36 PM (GBXon)

***

Perhaps it is a sign of hope that Killing Lincoln broke viewership records for the Nat Geo channel?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 19, 2013 12:47 PM (piMMO)

198 "Apparently they are not sophisticated enough to take that to the next
level -- figuring out the average (natural) rate of growth and judging a
president harshly if his figures nominally change in the right
direction but to a lesser extent than they would have under virtually any other hypothetical president."

Says here your shits all retarded and you talk like a fag.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 19, 2013 12:47 PM (xAtAj)

199 Heck, my Mom came up with that theory decades ago. Buying eyeglasses and braces for us kids, she said, "How on earth did our ancestors survive!" And something about, good thing we didn't have to fend for ourselves in the wild.
Posted by: Joe Salivatzar
***

Some of us didn't survive. The ones needing braces and glasses? Sabre tooth tiger turd was their fate.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 19, 2013 12:48 PM (uhftQ)

200 In other words, just like the AOSHQ comment section.
Posted by: SH at February 19, 2013 12:46 PM (gmeXX)


Heh. The difference being that we don't get graded on our comments, whereas the high school (or college!) kids do, and crap like that is just as likely to get an "A for effort" as it is to get an F for being completely worthless.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 19, 2013 12:48 PM (4df7R)

201 It's alright man.

Plenty of tards lead kickass lives.

My wife's retarded... she's a pilot now!

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 19, 2013 12:49 PM (xAtAj)

202 My husband and I were talking about this yesterday when we passed a Chevy Volt.

There is absolutely no way that investment makes any sort of fiscal sense. The insane upfront cost is way more than you'll ever get back in fuel savings.

Yet people buy hybrids because they *seem* like a good deal. They never go one step further and actually do the math to find out if perception is reality.

Simply put, most people are incapable of making informed decisions. Obama *seems* like he's trying to Make Things Better so who cares about results?

Posted by: Lauren at February 19, 2013 12:49 PM (wsGWu)

203 Odds are, it will be filled with run-on sentences, spelling mistakes, grammar errors, and devoid of any meaningful content relating to the purpose of the review.
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In other words, just like the AOSHQ comment section.


Not true. We have meaninful content. Mostly.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 19, 2013 12:49 PM (GFM2b)

204 My husband and I were talking about this yesterday when we passed a Chevy Volt.

There is absolutely no way that investment makes any sort of fiscal sense. The insane upfront cost is way more than you'll ever get back in fuel savings.

Yet people buy hybrids because they *seem* like a good deal. They never go one step further and actually do the math to find out if perception is reality.

Simply put, most people are incapable of making informed decisions. Obama *seems* like he's trying to Make Things Better so who cares about results?

****

Who can put a price on the value of 'smug'?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 19, 2013 12:50 PM (piMMO)

205
"Ask a highschool kid to write a one page movie review (whoa there, ace!).
Odds are, it will be filled with run-on sentences, spelling mistakes, grammar errors, and devoid of any meaningful content relating to the purpose of the review."
Spent some family time w/extended family over the 3 day weekend - youngest (nephew) was in trouble for an "F" in "English"* as the big assignment was "list your best friends and write a paper why they are your best friends". Same kid had written a stellar, "A" grade3 page paper on the electromagnetic spectrum...
(*lanier MS, Fairfax, Va)

Posted by: Jess1 at February 19, 2013 12:50 PM (lbiWb)

206 If we're going to pretend this is about natural selection, let's know what that really means and pretend right, stripped of all confusion and self-flattery:

If there are more of them, they are better than you.

Posted by: oblig. at February 19, 2013 12:50 PM (cePv8)

207 I've sometimes thought members of the pioneer generation either died young or were very long-lived. Medical advances mean people that would have died young three generations ago live and have children today.
The pioneers were tough people and probably more intelligent---if not book educated--than their descendants today.

Posted by: Northernlurker at February 19, 2013 12:50 PM (sCK+c)

208
Plus abortion + gay marriage. A festering sore
oozing pus from the Republican brand. Gotta keep those rape babies from
being aborted.

Posted by: Eaton Cox at February 19, 2013 12:22 PM (+wxCD)


FUCK YOU! SHITHEAD!

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 19, 2013 12:51 PM (bb5+k)

209
The insane upfront cost is way more than you'll ever get back in fuel savings.

Yep. How do slopes and intercepts work, anyway?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 19, 2013 12:51 PM (IDSI7)

210 I read an interesting theory one time about why the Illiad was written. It seems that after the Greeks defeated the Trojans


By poking holes in them?

Posted by: rickb223 at February 19, 2013 12:51 PM (GFM2b)

211 Simply put, most people are incapable of making
informed decisions. Obama *seems* like he's trying to Make Things Better
so who cares about results?Posted by: Lauren at February 19, 2013 12:49 PM (wsGWu) ----It's a perverse version of "do unto others". If you're a lazy shit, then of course you want to be forgiven for being a lazy shit. So you'll forgive others for being one, too.Corollary: You'll get super-pissed at anyone who complains about those other people, because you'll see it as an indirect insult to your own behavior.

Posted by: JeremiadBullFrog at February 19, 2013 12:51 PM (wDG5U)

212 Oh and you can also blame Facebook and social media.

There was a good article in the WSJ a few weeks ago which covered this phenomena.

Most kids don't live in the real world. They manufacturer a life on Facebook. They connect to "stars" or "famous" people. Then are ultimately disappointed when their real lives, into which they've put no actual, tangible effort, flame out and they can't pay the rent.

Then, these denizens of Fakeland look for a crutch, leech off everyone else, take what they can, complain, become permanent members of the malcontent class and mostly make no real contribution to our society.

Posted by: Marcus at February 19, 2013 12:52 PM (GGCsk)

213 Ask a highschool kid to write a one page movie review (whoa there, ace!).

Odds are, it will be filled with run-on sentences, spelling mistakes, grammar errors, and devoid of any meaningful content relating to the purpose of the review.

Posted by: EC at February 19, 2013 12:44 PM (GQ8sn)
================

If it isn't it'll be cut-n-pasted from IMDB.

Posted by: Nighthawk at February 19, 2013 12:52 PM (RSqz2)

214 Yet people buy hybrids because they *seem* like a good deal. They never go one step further and actually do the math to find out if perception is reality.
But it makes them FEEL good. All that matters is how things FEEL.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 19, 2013 12:52 PM (4df7R)

215 In other words, just like the AOSHQ comment section.
Posted by: SH at February 19, 2013 12:46 PM (gmeXX)


If I wanted to write flowery prose in response to something on here I guess I could. But by the time I was finished you all would be gone to the next thread. That fancy writin is hard.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at February 19, 2013 12:52 PM (l86i3)

216
How could people not know that that change from 10% to 8% was a damn lie? Nobody ever told them including our candidate.


Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 12:22 PM (53z96)

I saw it as it was happening and I thought to myself:
"Youse guys gonna let him get away wit dis? "

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 19, 2013 12:52 PM (bb5+k)

217 AoSHQ commenters are graded every minute; by the rest of the horde.

The lame, stupid or nasty get ignored or stomped.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at February 19, 2013 12:52 PM (qyv02)

218 If it isn't it'll be cut-n-pasted from IMDB.
Posted by: Nighthawk at February 19, 2013 12:52 PM (RSqz2)


Or Wikipedia.

The brighter kids actually strip out the formatting. The stupider ones don't bother.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 19, 2013 12:53 PM (4df7R)

219
I think average intelligence will rise sharply when the collapse hits.


Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 19, 2013 12:23 PM (0q2P7)

Dumb one's dying off will have that effect.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 19, 2013 12:53 PM (bb5+k)

220 How much is an "education" at Columbia?

I HATE these fucking people!

http://nydn.us/11SvBHE

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 19, 2013 12:53 PM (piMMO)

221
If I wanted to write flowery prose in response to something on here I guess I could. But by the time I was finished you all would be gone to the next thread. That fancy writin is hard.

Sure, but there's a difference between writing a composition and writing a grocery list. Commenting here is more in the nature of scribbling out a electronic Post-It note.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 19, 2013 12:54 PM (IDSI7)

222
Yet people buy hybrids because they *seem* like a good deal. They never go one step further and actually do the math to find out if perception is reality.

Simply put, most people are incapable of making informed decisions. Obama *seems* like he's trying to Make Things Better so who cares about results?


Lauren, change the word "seems" to "feel" and you'll be spot-on.

Many things that we see wrong in our society have been forced upon us. Radical Feminism, which has at its core Socialism, is the main driver. With our enemies in control of the media, we are subjected to illogic daily.

Our enemies told us exactly what they were going to do to us, and proceeded to do it. We allowed this to happen through our inaction.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 19, 2013 12:54 PM (+z4pE)

223 scribbling out a electronic Post-It note.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 19, 2013 12:54 PM (IDSI7)


Thats a damn fine analogy.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at February 19, 2013 12:54 PM (l86i3)

224 Well, God forbid someone has hurt feelings!

Can we tell people that their lack of logic makes us feel sad? Validate my feelings, damn it!

Posted by: Lauren at February 19, 2013 12:55 PM (wsGWu)

225 No, it's not a false correlation, and they are not "cockroaches."

Life-or-death is life-or-death. Constant exposure is constant and it is exposure. I stand by my assertion-that the professor is full of shit.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at February 19, 2013 12:55 PM (Q9qpj)

226 But then, people are dumb and getting dumber.






Biden: That's why I've got a chance in 2017.....I mean 2016

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 19, 2013 12:55 PM (1Jaio)

227 >Ask a highschool kid to write a one page movie review<

I should post some of the job applications I've seen which were hand-written. You honestly would never know these kids were college graduates.

Actually, I am going to save it for a book. Like Mad-Libs for idiots or something where you can fill in some of the blanks.

Posted by: Marcus at February 19, 2013 12:55 PM (GGCsk)

228
If we're going to pretend this is about natural selection, let's know what that really means and pretend right, stripped of all confusion and self-flattery:

If there are more of them, they are better than you.Posted by: oblig. at February 19, 2013 12:50 PM (cePv


Not sure about this. Some species have greater numbers because they have greater mortality. Rabbits and the Kennedys fall into this class.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 19, 2013 12:56 PM (IDSI7)

229 Commenting here is like two way graffiti.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at February 19, 2013 12:56 PM (qyv02)

230 Who can put a price on the value of 'smug'?


I can. Smug is when you run a redlight in your smart car an my 1 ton F-350 Dually turns you into a speed bump. Priceless.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 19, 2013 12:56 PM (GFM2b)

231 @217

That makes me feel better about myself.

Posted by: Truman North at February 19, 2013 12:56 PM (Atp0w)

232
148 Homer was taken with the irony of their greatest most celebrated victory ushering an era of decline and wrote the Illiad as a depiction of the hollowness of their victory.
------------------------------------------

So the victory of the US, and its Allies in WWII, could be seen as the precursor to today's decline?

For awhile now, I have had the suspicion that the deprivation of the Great Depression, and the suffering endured during WWII, will echo throughout history for generations to come.

Once the war was over, the soldiers came home and the world plunged headlong into amazing technological and financial boom times. The Baby Boom was born, and was spoiled rotten by adults who wanted to relive their own deprived childhoods/young adulthoods. And Dr. Spock said it was a good thing.

Except for the very oldest among us now, nobody remembers just how hard life can be. But history shows the good times never last forever.

Happy Tuesday!

Posted by: Boots at February 19, 2013 12:56 PM (oG66P)

233 Yet people buy hybrids because they *seem* like a good deal

People buy hybrids because they want their neighbors to know that they "care", unlike you, gaia-raper.

Posted by: DC in Towson, assault human at February 19, 2013 12:56 PM (iRTO8)

234
1. The FSA doesn't give a shit about anything but free shit. They don't pay taxes and they do not want a job.


2.
The Republicans keep pushing lackluster moderates out there. The only
time one of them wins is when the Dems run somebody even more lackluster
and stupid.


Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 12:27 PM (53z96)

These are important factors, but they are both dwarfed in significance by the fact that the means of communicating with the voters is completely in the hands of our political enemies.

Our message is never permitted to reach the people who need to hear it.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 19, 2013 12:56 PM (bb5+k)

235 Can we tell people that their lack of logic makes us feel sad? Validate my feelings, damn it!
Posted by: Lauren at February 19, 2013 12:55 PM (wsGWu)


You're feelings don't matter because you're an evil RethugliKKKan conservative "woman," and by "woman" they of course mean "piece of shit."

I like to point and laugh at them. It makes them feel offended and gives me hours of pleasure.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 19, 2013 12:57 PM (4df7R)

236 @223 Thanks, OSP. I used to be known for my analogies when I was lecturing.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 19, 2013 12:57 PM (IDSI7)

237
"Yet people buy hybrids because they *seem* like a good deal. They never go one step further and actually do the math to find out if perception is reality."
^^This. Wife wanted a smaller "sedanish" sort of car, and she liked the VW Jetta, so she bought one. Coworker bought the hybrid, and crowed @ the "savings"... wife's car @ $24.9K, other @ $31K.... She (wife) was a bit concerned 'till she did the math (both drive @ 15 mpd).

Posted by: Jess1 at February 19, 2013 12:57 PM (lbiWb)

238 If we're going to pretend this is about natural selection, let's know
what that really means and pretend right, stripped of all confusion and
self-flattery:

If there are more of them, they are better than you.Posted by: oblig. at February 19, 2013 12:50 PM (cePv


Natural processes cannot be inherently moral or immoral. Morality inheres in free choice.

Posted by: JeremiadBullFrog at February 19, 2013 12:58 PM (wDG5U)

239 'till she did the math (both drive @ 15 mpd).
Posted by: Jess1 at February 19, 2013 12:57 PM (lbiWb)


Math. A powerful thing.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at February 19, 2013 12:58 PM (l86i3)

240 I can. Smug is when you run a redlight in your smart car an my 1 ton F-350 Dually turns you into a speed bump. Priceless.

***

I've seen those little bastards darting in and out of traffic and been awed at their maneuverability.

It's like watching a mouse in a room full of elephants. Eventually they will get stepped on.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 19, 2013 12:59 PM (piMMO)

241 It is not completely irrational to ignore the cooler guy. It shouldn't be the only thing, as it was, but it is something. You know, the odd thing is, Reagan was older than Carter, and Carter should have been seen as more cool, yet Reagan was beloved by young people. I was right to be worried about Obama in 2006. There are large swathes of people that assume he is cool because he is black. Compare Romney jet skiing to Obama biking... One looks like a MAN, and he lost... Very odd.

Posted by: Baldy at February 19, 2013 12:59 PM (opS9C)

242 It's like watching a mouse in a room full of elephants. Eventually they will get stepped on.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 19, 2013 12:59 PM (piMMO)


I've never seen a crash test on those.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at February 19, 2013 01:00 PM (l86i3)

243 >Can we tell people that their lack of logic makes us feel sad?<

No, just tell people who deserve it they suck.

It works for me.

Posted by: Marcus at February 19, 2013 01:00 PM (GGCsk)

244 >>>Gotta keep those rape babies from being aborted.

Is not the Republican platform so what? You know tameshigiri doesn't require an opponent. Why don't you leave those of use having a serious discussion alone.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 19, 2013 01:00 PM (0q2P7)

245 I've never seen a crash test on those.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at February 19, 2013 01:00 PM (l86i3)

They did. 100% casualty.
They don't have a rating that goes that low.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at February 19, 2013 01:01 PM (qyv02)

246 I'm not sure about the maintenance costs of hybrids, but the up front cost and fuel difference makes it actually quite close, even without subsidies.

Electric cars are a different story, due to the HUGE batteries required that cost $15k+ by themselves.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 19, 2013 01:01 PM (xAtAj)

247 It's like watching a mouse in a room full of elephants. Eventually they will get stepped on.


The end result will be the same. A greasy spot.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 19, 2013 01:01 PM (GFM2b)

248 They did. 100% casualty.
They don't have a rating that goes that low.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at February 19, 2013 01:01 PM (qyv02)

Cereal or Snark?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at February 19, 2013 01:01 PM (l86i3)

249
The Republicans keep pushing lackluster moderates out there.

At the risk of starting a flame war, I've come to the conclusion that Romney was by far the best man for America.

Yeah, I know, he's a RINO and such, and ran a less than optimal campaign. But think about it: who better to sort out this country's lousy finances than an experienced and accomplished turn-around artist?

Our problem isn't so much with the candidates, as it is with the culture of celebrity worship. I don't want a guru, an imam, a life coach, or a mentor. I want an efficient and sensible CEO. But that's not cool, and someone like that probably lacks charisma. So we get retarded prom kings every time.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 19, 2013 01:02 PM (IDSI7)

250
#239, "Math. A powerful thing"
Yep. And hard to ignore...

Posted by: Jess1 at February 19, 2013 01:02 PM (lbiWb)

251 Snark.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at February 19, 2013 01:02 PM (qyv02)

252 Even worse, talk to today's teachers. Most kids are cheats, perennial underachievers, pushed along in today's "everyone should feel special" environment and have grandiose expectations that are destined to fail because they are built on years of fallacious teachings and manufactured outcomes. Present company mostly excluded of course:-)
Posted by: Marcus at February 19, 2013 12:42 PM (GGCsk)

---
My eldest daughter is a teacher. This past year she went back to teaching "regular" students instead of A.B.U students. ABU students are the thugs and the retards- and it is her opinion that those students actually made more of an effort the the "normal" students. She is so disgusted by academia, most notably the administrators, that she is going to homeschool when she has children.

Posted by: Darth Randall at February 19, 2013 01:03 PM (mV8sg)

253 Snark.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at February 19, 2013 01:02 PM (qyv02)

Sorry, I forgot where I was.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at February 19, 2013 01:03 PM (l86i3)

254 I've never seen a crash test on those.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at February 19, 2013 01:00 PM (l86i3)

They did. 100% casualty.
They don't have a rating that goes that low.


Ahhh. The Rachael Corrie rating.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 19, 2013 01:03 PM (GFM2b)

255 Well the author might be on to something.

IIRC there was a list of the smartest people in the world--seemed like a lot of them came from the Balkan region. IT was weird.

I still think his hypothesis happens longer term than what he is forwarding.

Posted by: tasker at February 19, 2013 01:03 PM (r2PLg)

256 225No, it's not a false correlation, and they are not "cockroaches."

Life-or-death is life-or-death. Constant exposure is constant and it is exposure. I stand by my assertion-that the professor is full of shit.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at February 19, 2013 12:55 PM (Q9qpj) Well lessee, 7 babies by 5 different fathers, none of whom are alive or stayed around to help raise their little bastards, most end upkilled or warehousedbefore they are old enough to vote. Seems like a valid comparison to me.

Posted by: maddogg at February 19, 2013 01:03 PM (OlN4e)

257 I've never seen a crash test on those.

***

2011 NHTSA rate it 3 stars being 'good' in most tests.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 19, 2013 01:04 PM (piMMO)

258 It's really not that hard, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan went out of their way every chance they had to point out that Obama inherited a tough situation which was complete bullshit but it is what it is.

They short circuited their own message.

And Obama's MSM spirit squad was not going to disabuse anyone of it.


Posted by: General Woundwort at February 19, 2013 01:05 PM (RrD4h)

259 Well lessee, 7 babies by 5 different fathers, none of whom are alive or stayed around to help raise their little bastards, most end upkilled or warehousedbefore they are old enough to vote. Seems like a valid comparison to me.
Posted by: maddogg at February 19, 2013 01:03 PM (OlN4e)

The most FKD up thing about that post is it's true.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at February 19, 2013 01:05 PM (l86i3)

260 I crashed a '51 Ford into a Garage once; bent the fender.

In other crashes that were milder; 2k+ damages and/or totalled out vehicle.

The metal is thinner and the alloy is less resistant. Ergo the car crash pictures where they look like they went into a blender.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at February 19, 2013 01:05 PM (qyv02)

261
I doubt people are any dumber/smarter intrinsically--you can point directly to the education system in this country as the culprit.

Just enough are educated properly yet. When that ceases, we be for sure gone.

Posted by: irongrampa at February 19, 2013 01:05 PM (SAMxH)

262 I don't think the whole idea that momentum, real or perceived, was important is new.

We talked about this.

All Obama needed to do was get "unemployment" below "8%".

"Unemployment" continued to "Drop" until the required "level".

GG

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 19, 2013 01:05 PM (xAtAj)

263
"7 babies by 5 different fathers,"
That's racist, dontchknow.

Posted by: Jess1 at February 19, 2013 01:05 PM (lbiWb)

264 258 It's really not that hard, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan went out of their way every chance they had to point out that Obama inherited a tough situation which was complete bullshit but it is what it is.

They short circuited their own message.


_____________

That--big time.

Posted by: tasker at February 19, 2013 01:05 PM (r2PLg)

265 "7 babies by 5 different fathers,"
That's racist, dontchknow.
Posted by: Jess1 at February 19, 2013 01:05 PM (lbiWb)

I thought it was a reality show?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at February 19, 2013 01:06 PM (l86i3)

266
People buy hybrids because they want their neighbors to know that they "care", unlike you, gaia-raper.Posted by: DC in Towson, assault human at February 19, 2013 12:56 PM (iRTO

But here's the part I just don't get: why do they care what their neighbors think?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 19, 2013 01:06 PM (IDSI7)

267 Yeah, I know, he's a RINO and such, and ran a less than optimal campaign. But think about it: who better to sort out this country's lousy finances than an experienced and accomplished turn-around artist?

***

Further, I can't imagine we would be hurt by having a man of decency and integrity setting an example for the nation.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 19, 2013 01:06 PM (piMMO)

268
"I thought it was a reality show?"
HeH

Posted by: Jess1 at February 19, 2013 01:06 PM (lbiWb)

269 "7 babies by 5 different fathers,"

That's racist, dontchknow.

Posted by: Jess1 at February 19, 2013 01:05 PM (lbiWb)



I thought it was a reality show?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at February 19, 2013 01:06 PM (l86i3)



Reality is racist. Only lies aren't racist

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 19, 2013 01:07 PM (1Jaio)

270 If there are more of them, they are better than you.

I don't necessarily agree with this, though I understand what you mean. The ability to breed in higher numbers doesn't really equate to evolutionary dominance, though. There are several million ants in the world for every one person, but a person can walk on a dozen ants on any given day without even noticing what he or she is doing.

But it's a good point. The FSA contributes very little to society while TAKING a great deal. That's where the problem lies. The mechanism by which the FSA is supported is what allows them to continue their leech-like existence without any repercussions. We reward bad behavior. Any species that rewards the worst of its members is going to see a reckoning at some point, either by dying off under its own weight (a lot of lame birds eating the seeds delivered to them by the healthy birds who can still fly, thus depriving the healthy birds of that food) or will turn into a shadow of its former self (when all the healthy birds die off, the lame birds will have to subsist on whatever they can scavenge, or be dependent on other species to feed them.)

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 19, 2013 01:07 PM (4df7R)

271 >>>I've come to the conclusion that Romney was by far the best man for America.

We could have run a bunch of people and lost. This is a democratic process for selecting leaders, you cannot separate the inability to get enough votes to win from suitability as a candidate in other matters. Losing is QED for Romney being the wrong choice, not that anyone who ran was much better (T-Paw, McCotter, Perry *might* have been but that's all a matter of supposition at this point) but Romney losing proved that he was the wrong choice. Unless you can say we accomplished something more valuable by losing with Romney, that is better than we could have accomplished with any winning candidate, and better than what we could have accomplished losing with someone else.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 19, 2013 01:07 PM (0q2P7)

272 PS4 thread up


I could care less

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 19, 2013 01:08 PM (piMMO)

273 uh... COULDN'T care less

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 19, 2013 01:08 PM (piMMO)

274 You think the dummycrabs didn't figure this out a long time ago? And George Soros and the minions he pays aren't the stupid ones. All their money and efforts go towards coming up with ways to manipulate the morons out there. And we're way behind in this game. We are really screwed.

Posted by: G Joubert at February 19, 2013 01:08 PM (9XRRl)

275 But here's the part I just don't get: why do they care what their neighbors think?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 19, 2013 01:06 PM (IDSI7)

They don't care care.

They just want to drive around feeling smug.

That episode of South Park said it all.


Excuse me, I have to sniff my farts now. (today's scent is sandalwood)

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at February 19, 2013 01:08 PM (qyv02)

276
"7 babies by 5 different fathers,"

That's the tight-assed ones. Seven babies by seven different fathers, insofar as those fathers are known, now those are the promiscuous ones.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 19, 2013 01:08 PM (IDSI7)

277 I couldn't care less whether you could or couldn't care less.

(see? insta-graffiti)

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at February 19, 2013 01:09 PM (qyv02)

278
"But here's the part I just don't get: why do they care what their neighbors think?"
Herein lies the crux of the matter. BITD few cared, but today, what one "feels" has become the touchstone for all relationships. Be on the wrong side, and you will be cut out of family conntections, friends, and casual acquaintances, which, of course, makes life a good bit tougher.

Posted by: Jess1 at February 19, 2013 01:09 PM (lbiWb)

279 I read an interesting theory one time about why the Illiad was written. It seems that after the Greeks defeated the Trojans


The Iliad wasn't written, since written language wasn't invented yet. "Homer" wasn't a real person.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 19, 2013 01:11 PM (7ObY1)

280 Further, I can't imagine we would be hurt by having a man of decency and integrity setting an example for the nation.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 19, 2013 01:06 PM (piMMO)

I worked for the man, gave him money did what I could to get him elected, he just doesn't have "IT" I can't describe what "IT" is because "IT" is not words, but a feeling given off that makes people want to be around you, speak your name and celebrate your very being. For many People Obama has "IT". Until we get a candidate with "IT", we are FKD. BTW, Hillary has "IT" too. don't believe she doesn't.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at February 19, 2013 01:11 PM (l86i3)

281 But here's the part I just don't get: why do they care what their neighbors think?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 19, 2013 01:06 PM (IDSI7)


Because no one on the left has any sense of internal integrity. Their opinions of themselves are based entirely on what other people think of them. When they were kids and they sucked at spelling, and they KNEW they sucked at spelling, but their teachers and parents kept praising them for trying really hard, they learned to divorce their own image of themselves from their sense of self worth. It's better to feel good than to feel rotten, and these other people were all making them feel good. So you ignore your internal voice that says, "I wish I could spell Mississippi right," and listen to the external voice taht says, "Mississippi is a hard word to spell, and it's okay that you keep adding too many S's or too few P's."

Grow that up to adulthood and you have people spending stupid amounts of money on "hybrids" even though they KNOW it isn't cost effective, but darn it, people will say they're doing the right thing and that's all that matters.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 19, 2013 01:11 PM (4df7R)

282 "7 babies by 5 different fathers,"

That's the tight-assed ones. Seven babies by seven different fathers, insofar as those fathers are known, now those are the promiscuous ones.

***

I worked with a girl who was in her early 30's and had 7 or 8 kids, most by different, married fathers. In all the time I worked with her I was never able to figure out her method of selection for when she aborted and when she chose to give birth.

She had absolutely no shame.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 19, 2013 01:11 PM (piMMO)

283
Be on the wrong side, and you will be cut out of family conntections, friends, and casual acquaintances, which, of course, makes life a good bit tougher. Posted by: Jess1 at February 19, 2013 01:09 PM (lbiWb)

Big loss. I go out of my way to cut out people like that. They're free to have their opinions, but I'm free to have mine as well, and if they really don't like mine, adios.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 19, 2013 01:12 PM (IDSI7)

284
"I could care less"
Good for you, as I (for the FSA) could indeed care less.

Posted by: Jess1 at February 19, 2013 01:12 PM (lbiWb)

285 but Romney losing proved that he was the wrong
choice. Unless you can say we accomplished something more valuable by
losing with Romney, that is better than we could have accomplished with
any winning candidate, and better than what we could have accomplished
losing with someone else.


Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 19, 2013 01:07 PM (0q2P7)


It is my opinion that no one would have been able to withstand the Media bias arrayed against them. There may have been several that would have made good or decent Presidents, but not a one of them could force the media to report the truth about Obama.

We are done until the burning.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 19, 2013 01:12 PM (bb5+k)

286
I worked with a girl who was in her early 30's and had 7 or 8 kids, most by different, married fathers. In all the time I worked with her I was never able to figure out her method of selection for when she aborted and when she chose to give birth.

She had absolutely no shame.Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 19, 2013 01:11 PM (piMMO)


In grad school I dated a very liberal social worker (somehow our differing politics wasn't a problem) who used to lament the difficulty of explaining to FSA recruits that yes,having more babies got you more money, but not enough more to cover the cost of the new mouth to feed. "Mo' money" trumped every other consideration. Have another baby (illegitimate, of course), get an extra dollar, woot!

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 19, 2013 01:15 PM (IDSI7)

287 I'm not sure about the maintenance costs of hybrids, but the up front
cost and fuel difference makes it actually quite close, even without
subsidies.
.
.
.
Do the math right, it's not just the difference in first cost -

say $5,000, gas $5 / gallon, so 1000 gallons of gas, say 30 mpg, gets you 30,000 miles on day one head start in front of the hybrid. If you're commuting 10,000 a year you might be looking at a three year head start.

But that math is wrong because the hybrid is still burning gas - better to tell smug green-weenie that they just torched a 1000 gallons of gas the day the drove off the lot in the hopes that they will someday break even. But when? (that'll take a little HS algebra)

When I was looking into it ten years ago the payback period for my commute, depending on car models I compared, was 20 to a hundred years. I bought the base model chevy cobalt.


Posted by: Obamao at February 19, 2013 01:16 PM (JtyGg)

288
I don't think Hilary has IT, but Bill has IT to spare, which is why she stays married to a serial philanderer, accused-rapist. Without Bill, Hilary's IT goes POOF.

If Hilary had IT, she would be starting her second term as POTUS. Instead she was going to prove I AM WOMAN back in 2008, and campaigned without the man with the IT. And look what happened.............


Posted by: Boots at February 19, 2013 01:16 PM (oG66P)

289
When I was looking into it ten years ago the payback period for my commute, depending on car models I compared, was 20 to a hundred years. I bought the base model chevy cobalt.

I did the same thing for solar panels, because I liked the idea of independence.

Turns out the payback period is about a day longer than the lifetime of the damned things. Meanwhile, you have a boatload of cash tied up in them. No thanks.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 19, 2013 01:18 PM (IDSI7)

290
Mike Judge is a prophet.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 19, 2013 01:18 PM (TIIx5)

291 But Marco Rubio drank water!!! He drank water!!


Posted by: MSDNCBSABCNN at February 19, 2013 12:21 PM (cGlgB)





Water? Like out of the toilet?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 19, 2013 01:21 PM (TIIx5)

292 I don't think Hilary has IT, but Bill has IT to spare, which is why she stays married to a serial philanderer, accused-rapist. Without Bill, Hilary's IT goes POOF.

If Hilary had IT, she would be starting her second term as POTUS. Instead she was going to prove I AM WOMAN back in 2008, and campaigned without the man with the IT. And look what happened.............


Posted by: Boots at February 19, 2013 01:16 PM (oG66P)

I hope you are right, but every Obamabot I know thinks she is all that and two bags of chips.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at February 19, 2013 01:24 PM (l86i3)

293 Look closer:

Rubio was drinking a sip of BRAWNDO

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 19, 2013 01:25 PM (xAtAj)

294 I didn't watch Rubio's speech, so could someone explain to me what the big deal about his drinking water was? To liberals this proved his had no gravitas/ Could someone to me why they thought that; It's ridiculous.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 19, 2013 01:26 PM (PxYrx)

295 If the Greeks were so smart, why didn't sofoclees write Idiocracy?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at February 19, 2013 01:26 PM (SO2Q8)

296 Brawndo, plants crave it.
Electrolytes!
Sincerely,
President Mountain Dew

Posted by: SCOAMF Returns at February 19, 2013 01:28 PM (3oPjL)

297 I didn't watch Rubio's speech, so could someone explain to me what the big deal about his drinking water was? To liberals this proved his had no gravitas/ Could someone to me why they thought that; It's ridiculous.
Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 19, 2013 01:26 PM (PxYrx)


They thought that because he's a Republican and they needed to find something to pick on, so they picked the water sipping. That's it. Seriously. The way he reached for it was a bit awkward, so BOOM. Instant meme.

It's ridiculous, as you say. The MFM beclowns themselves with it. Even LIV think it's stupid, and they're a bunch of mouthbreathing cretins.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 19, 2013 01:28 PM (4df7R)

298 Proof Of The Decline Of Mankind?

http://tinyurl.com/bkvahhh

Posted by: The Political Hat at February 19, 2013 01:30 PM (XvHmy)

299 It's ridiculous, as you say. The MFM beclowns
themselves with it. Even LIV think it's stupid, and they're a bunch of
mouthbreathing cretins.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 19, 2013 01:28 PM (4df7R)
Doing it just to make sure you don't pay attention to what he actually said...KILL THE MESSENGER!

Posted by: Red Shirt at February 19, 2013 01:32 PM (FIDMq)

300 I know of liberals who didn't watch the speech, but kept insisting Rubio is a lightweight. Based on what-that he got thirsty? The rest of the liberals who also didn't watch it nod obediently and repeat this. I just shake my head.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 19, 2013 01:32 PM (PxYrx)

301 Well, you'll note the Stanford authority cited an Athenian of 1000 BC, not a citizen of the Golden Age 650 years later. Because the first ones to write essays like this were the Greeks of the Golden Age, who thought they had devolved from the Athenians of 500 BC. And they made the bad political choices to prove it, too.

The experience of the Greeks (and, by extension, the Romans) is valued mostly because they wrote some of it down, and we happen to have some of that. Most of their accounts are of what damned fools they'd been. There's a lot to be learned there, but it's no reason to worship the sons of bitches. They built stone temples because they didn't have any lumber. Gay slaveholders, the lot of them, and they used the power of steam to make amusing toys.


Posted by: comatus at February 19, 2013 01:34 PM (qaVK+)

302 I hesitate to blame bad politics on a "stupid" electorate. I mean, we might win and then how do we explain it? I guess we could do what the Dems did after saying all the stoopid people voted for Bush and just say fuck you guys.

But, anyway, I think we are just fundamentally unserious. That goes along with the lack of life and death decisions. If the hardest thing you have to deal with in life is that you forgot your smartphone so you'll be bored when you poop, you probably aren't all that involved with your politics. Other than to snark at them.

Posted by: blaster at February 19, 2013 01:36 PM (pZDxu)

303 (that'll take a little HS algebra)

BURN THE MATH WITCH!



If there are more of them, they are better than you.


This.

Not unusual in my hometown to become a grandmother around age 36, when the first of your babies the state paid for has hir first baby. I was laughed out of the five-year reunion as a complete fucking failure because I had a degree and a job instead of a baby.

Not that "conservatives" are any kinder to women who don't have babies because they thought it was wrong to make fatherless babies, but no one ever wanted to marry them than the FSA is, mind you.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 19, 2013 01:36 PM (/kI1Q)

304 Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 19, 2013 01:36 PM (/kI1Q)

Fk em HR, their smiles are phony attempts at relitivism, yours are true.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at February 19, 2013 01:38 PM (l86i3)

305 I know of liberals who didn't watch the speech, but
kept insisting Rubio is a lightweight. Based on what-that he got
thirsty? The rest of the liberals who also didn't watch it nod
obediently and repeat this. I just shake my head.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 19, 2013 01:32 PM (PxYrx)



They watch "comedy" shows and get their information from them. They have no clue or interest in the actual facts just give them a 2 minute clip to watch that is really easy to understand

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 19, 2013 01:43 PM (1Jaio)

306 233 People buy hybrids because they want their neighbors to know that they "care", unlike you, gaia-raper.

I'll admit, this was part of the reason I chose my hand-built, 32V DOHC supercharged V8 powerplant.

I want it well and explicitly documented that the number of fucks given remains zero.

Posted by: akula51 at February 19, 2013 01:45 PM (EzOzr)

307 Human intelligence has been in a nosedive since 1848.

Posted by: deepred at February 19, 2013 01:53 PM (rUiSC)

308 akula, don't play the fool. With a moment's more argument, you can make the case that by using a technology they can't possibly understand, they are the ones who don't care. You ought to hear them sputter when you bring up the efficiency and blow-by of the gas turbine peakers that are charging their batteries.

They respond by trying to ban your technology (notice how you can't call their cars "coal-powered" anymore?), but they know they're wrong while they're doing it. The shame is just dripping off. But being who they are, drip off it does.

Posted by: comatus at February 19, 2013 01:55 PM (qaVK+)

309 late to the party but you know we saw this earlier, people weren't that concerned about the economy, not like a jimmy carter situation at least

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at February 19, 2013 01:57 PM (QxSug)

310 Not that "conservatives" are any kinder to women who don't have babies because they thought it was wrong to make fatherless babies, but no one ever wanted to marry them than the FSA is, mind you.

I'm sorry; I don't understand this sentence^^

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 19, 2013 01:59 PM (PxYrx)

311 Another explanation for why Obama was reelected, which closely follows the idea in this post, was presented by Robert Prechter. His hypothesis is that social mood moves the stock market and that the better the mood the higher prices and, consequently, the more likely a president is to get reelected. Here is his presentation.

http://bdroppings.blogspot.com/2013/02/robert-prechter-at-2012-social-mood.html

Posted by: Bill C at February 19, 2013 02:08 PM (frsLe)

312 The only ancients that we know about are the ones who were literate enough towrite books, and then actually did, and whose books survived a couple millenia. Wonder what proportion of society they were...?

Posted by: Lessons from the Porcelain Throne at February 19, 2013 02:27 PM (ze9yk)

313 If constant exposure to life-or-death situations develops and promotes
intelligence, than 3rd generation Chicago gangbangers ought to be the
brightest people on the fucking planet.


The actual utility of intelligence is that it keeps people as far away from constant life and death situations as is humanly possible. Avoidance is a greatly underrated strategy.

Posted by: An Observation at February 19, 2013 03:00 PM (ylhEn)

314
I'm going to have to call shnanigans on Dr. Crabtree's study. It seems very unscientific for three main reasons.

a) Intelligence is impossible to quantify. IQ tests don't quantify intelligence at all. They were, in fact, never designed to. Crabtree is using... "roughly 5,000 genes he considered the basis for human intelligence." How accurate are these 5,000 genes? I think he just kind of made them up.

b) Intelligence is not heritable. Smart parents seem capable of producing dumb offspring. Dumb parents seem capable of producing smart offspring. I enjoyed "Idiocracy" as social satire, but it's a silly scenario.

c) How is getting ancient genetic samples? He certainly isn't sampling genes from 1,000 BC Athens personally. Obtaining good genetic samples from the archaeological record is very difficult.

I know science journalism tends to be quite poor, but this does not impress me as being overly committed to science.

Posted by: Keith Eppich at February 19, 2013 03:17 PM (vOiy8)

315 Let's not forget about nutrition in the mix. Even though food is more plentiful, it's not as nutritious. See Dr. Weston Price's studies on primitive cultures and nutrition.

Personally, I also think that we are dumbed down when we do fewer things manually. People always used to be busy, either growing food, making clothes and a hundred other things they had to do on a daily basis. We don't do those things any more and the main thing we do with our hands is type. I've noticed that young guys that have mechanical skills never have a problem finding work.

And lastly, I've done a lot of physical labor, mostly farm work and factory work. Those jobs give you time to think. Farmers tend to be interesting to talk to as a result. Most jobs these days don't really give you time to think about what you want.

Posted by: notsothoreau at February 19, 2013 03:21 PM (5HBd1)

316 Well, if that's the case, then the liberals are correct in their agenda to establish a dictatorship of the elite. We are too stupid to govern ourselves via consent since clearly we aren't smart enough to figure out what's good for us.

/sarcasm/

Ironically, what we Conservatives have been accused of by liberals being Social Darwinists has been proven as well. Let nature take it's course, don't interfere in the consequences of others because to do so rewards bad behavior. Hence, the population of the idiots have multiplied and now unsustainably outnumber the normals. The next asteroid strike is over due.

Posted by: dscott at February 19, 2013 03:30 PM (EYzt8)

317 #40, if that is true, then one would expect the northern climes to dominate the sports strength and speed records, rather than the science Nobel's that they actually do.

No, it was clearly intelligence that was favored. And that is a force multiplier, too, even against those of greater physical strength.

Posted by: mycherrysmores at February 19, 2013 07:20 PM (qLxQ4)

318 I had this conversation with my lefty friend in Washington a few years ago. "NH doesn't require anyone over 18 to wear a seatbelt." "That's stupid! Why not?" "The better question is why should they?" Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 19, 2013 12:38 PM (4df7R)

You reminded me of something an Italian writer, Luigi Barzini, once wrote about the difference between Italians and Germans. Barzini noted signs in the trains in Germany which screamed at you "IT IS FORBIDDEN TO LEAN OUT THE WINDOWS!" In Italy, the signs in the trains merely said "It is inadvisable to lean out of the windows."

In other words, Barzini said, the Italian attitude was "You've been warned. Die if you want to."

Posted by: Donna V. at February 19, 2013 07:46 PM (7FqJH)






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The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
News/Chat