Are Republicans And Conservatives Really Going To Embrace Mark Sanford?

See THIS is exactly what the GOP and conservatives need now...the rehashing of nut job Mark Sandford's history.

Sanford, who you'll recall famously "hiked the Appalachian Trail" which is as we all know is a euphemism for "cut out on my wife, kids an the state I'm Governor of to screw my mistress in Argentina". I think it makes more sense in Spanish but there you have it.

With Tim Scott's appointment to the Senate, Sanford sees this as a golden opportunity to get back on the public payroll. Some, including Erick Erickson, are even supporting this ridiculous notion.

I really don't care much about Sanford's marital infidelities. Stuff happens in life and people fail. I get that and I hope they and those they hurt can put their lives back together. What I have ZERO interest in rewarding or forgiving is a gross dereliction of public duty. Sanford wasn't some one in 435 member of the House when he had his personal crisis, he was the chief executive of a state. For better or worse, that's a 24/7/365 on call thing. You can't simply disappear and render yourself unavailable. That type of behavior permanently disqualifies from holing any office of public trust again. End of story.

Well it would be the end of the story except people seem to think having a "fiscal conservative" in office is the end all and be all. As Gabe pointed out on Twitter the other day, the notion that Sanford is a fiscal conservative is undermined by the fact he used tax funds to underwrite his dalliances. Sanford, now on a public rehab tour says he didn't do anything wrong and just paid the money to make it go away. Sure.

Then of course there's the politics of this. How great an advocate can Sanford be for fiscal conservatism when he's always going to be "that guy"? Sometimes a messenger is so flawed he hurts the message.

Sanford is right that people make mistakes and forgiveness is a noble thing. You can forgive a man his sins but you don't have to validate him or his choices with election to the House of Representatives.

Posted by: DrewM. at 10:26 AM



Comments

1 What are the options?

As I understand it from Carolinians, no one else has stepped up who's a solid candidate.

Posted by: Y-not says keep drinking in moderation at February 19, 2013 10:28 AM (5H6zj)

2 What a minute, this is the same DrewM. that was endorsing Newt for President?

Posted by: lowandslow at February 19, 2013 10:29 AM (7Nq2G)

3 Remember the episode of SANFORD & Son when Sanford has a get-rich-quick SCHEME and LAMONT threatens to move OUT?

Posted by: jakeman Plover at February 19, 2013 10:30 AM (96M6e)

4 Time to revive this image:

http://tehresistance.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/soulmates.jpg?w=500

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at February 19, 2013 10:31 AM (QXlbZ)

5 The problem is that he's the only known name in what would e a cattle call primary. The only way to stop him is to have a single opposition.

This is where party bosses really help.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 19, 2013 10:31 AM (Xd2w5)

6
I think he should go back to Argentina.

Buh-by.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at February 19, 2013 10:32 AM (RFeQD)

7 Also, this old thread:

http://minx.cc/?post=289252

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at February 19, 2013 10:32 AM (QXlbZ)

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Is that true? I can't imagine there isn't some enterprising Dog Catcher with an R behind his name who wouldn't mind having the job. It's not like they're going to elect a Dem in that state, are they??

Posted by: BurtTC at February 19, 2013 10:32 AM (TOk1P)

9 2 What a minute, this is the same DrewM. that was endorsing Newt for President?

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Did you read his post? He objects to the dereliction of duty, not the affair per se.

Posted by: Y-not says keep drinking in moderation at February 19, 2013 10:32 AM (5H6zj)

10 But but but we need moderates so we can win! Right?!

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 19, 2013 10:32 AM (DuH+r)

11 I facepalm to this, I may get a concussion.

...I've been doing it a bit much of late.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Keeper of Ampersands and Breitbart Login Spaces at February 19, 2013 10:33 AM (GBXon)

12 Sanford is just tired of paying full commercial rate for flights to Argentina [otherwise known as "what the rest ofus pay"] and wants to get back to milhopping it.

Posted by: Bigby's Karate Chop at February 19, 2013 10:33 AM (3ZtZW)

13 This is where party bosses really help.
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You rang?

Posted by: Karl's Rover at February 19, 2013 10:34 AM (9zqV0)

14 Is that true? I can't imagine there isn't some enterprising Dog Catcher with an R behind his name who wouldn't mind having the job.
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That's what I was told.

I tend to agree with you that it should be easy enough to find someone better to run, especially for a House seat (which seems to be an easier run for a newcomer). But I'm not ready to condemn people for supporting Sanford based on the current situation.

Posted by: Y-not says keep drinking in moderation at February 19, 2013 10:34 AM (5H6zj)

15 Seriously, it seems like folks theoretically on our side of the balance are in two flavors: Folks who have no business running for office, and folks who have better things to do than run for office.

No wonder we're screwed.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Keeper of Ampersands and Breitbart Login Spaces at February 19, 2013 10:34 AM (GBXon)

16

I'm calling myself an American at this point, and no.

Posted by: beach at February 19, 2013 10:34 AM (LpQbZ)

17 I say we forgive and forget

Posted by: Bob Memendez at February 19, 2013 10:34 AM (9Bj8R)

18 Appalachian Trail, Argentinian Tail.

Easy mistake to make.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at February 19, 2013 10:35 AM (fwARV)

19 Someone will step up ...

Posted by: American Dawg at February 19, 2013 10:35 AM (trA4n)

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This is essentially how Missouri ended up with Todd Akin. People want to blame all sorts of things for that disaster of a pick, but honestly, he was a sitting Congressman. His challengers were not, and had less name recognition.

I'm guessing (although I don't know) that's how Virginia ended up with Mr. Macaca on their ballot this last time too.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 19, 2013 10:36 AM (TOk1P)

21 5 The problem is that he's the only known name in what would e a cattle call primary. The only way to stop him is to have a single opposition.
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As long as he doesn't get 50% there will be a runoff where he will have single opposition.

With 16 candidates on the ballot, I dont think he's likely to hit 50

Posted by: BSR at February 19, 2013 10:36 AM (CBCxo)

22 The Dems baldfaced embrace of hypocrisy trumps us, here.

Kennedy? He fucking killed a woman. Barney Frank ran a gay brothel out of his basement. Bill Clinton?

Sanford was a stalwart when he was in the House. And he was a good Governor, too.

Shit happens in your personal life. Is it better if it doesn't? Of course. But you know, he seems actually repentant about it. He's not all "it's none of your business."

And, come on, South Carolina voted for Strom Thurmond FOREVER.

Posted by: blaster at February 19, 2013 10:36 AM (pZDxu)

23 The problem is that without Sanford in the race, it would easily fall to Teddy Turner of all people. There are some really good candidates in the race outside of these two (Larry Grooms is quite good), but the reality is if Sanford hadn't gone in, Turner would ride his dad's name to victory.

Teddy Turner. The guy who couldn't hold a job in his own father's company (fired from CNN). The guy who got completely hoodwinked by a fraudster in Florida in the late 90s. The guy who's been such a success at everything he's ever done to the point that he's now a high school teacher.

Posted by: David at February 19, 2013 10:37 AM (iqtXM)

24 "You can't simply disappear and render yourself unavailable. That type of behavior permanently disqualifies from holing any office of public trust again. End of story."

Drew, calm the fuck down.

I'm certain there were people in his administration who knew exactly how to get hold of him in an emergency. Just because there was a smoke screen used on the media to cover up his affair, doesn't mean the state was paralized waiting for him to return.

Posted by: jwest at February 19, 2013 10:38 AM (ZDsRL)

25 I think you fight with your own side too often, Drew, but this, THIS is a fight worth having. You are spot on here that he shucked his duties as an executive by running off...at least Clinton kept his mistress in the Oval Office!

Posted by: JJ Stone at February 19, 2013 10:38 AM (0yeg8)

26 Forgive, but never forget.

Running this guy for public office again would be the absolute height of stupidity- which is why I expect the Stupid Party will be all over the idea like a cheap suit.

Posted by: Nighthawk at February 19, 2013 10:38 AM (RSqz2)

27 That type of behavior permanently disqualifies from holding any office of public trust again.

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ha

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HAHA

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Posted by: Jessee Jackson Jr's Voting Constituency at February 19, 2013 10:38 AM (nELVU)

28
"As I understand it from Carolinians, no one else has stepped up who's a solid candidate"
Which may be, but that doesn't mean the State GOP has to go all slobbery "OMG he really loves me" stupid over this idiot.
Someone @ the state level needs to have the following conversation w/him:
"No. Now go away."

Posted by: Jess1 at February 19, 2013 10:38 AM (lbiWb)

29 I dont know much about Teddy Turner beyond the fact that he seems to have become a republican just to piss off his nutso dad.

I'm guessing the runoff will be Sanford and him so good luck SC

Posted by: BSR at February 19, 2013 10:39 AM (CBCxo)

30 Sanford can easily win the district in Charleston.

Posted by: blaster at February 19, 2013 10:40 AM (pZDxu)

31 People fail, but few fail so publicly and inter-continentally as Sanford. However, South Carolina seems like the most screwed up place in politics, democrat or republican.

Posted by: huerfano at February 19, 2013 10:40 AM (bAGA/)

32 Mark Sanford is the only option available. THE. ONLY. ONE. There are no other politicians in the state ready for the job. In fact we probably need an illegal alien undocumented pre-citizen to do this job no other American wants to do.

Posted by: Pragmatic GOP at February 19, 2013 10:40 AM (eHIJJ)

33 What I hate so much about this cocksucker was the love-smitten dumbass look on his face when he was "explaining" all of this nonsense after he'd deserted his wife and children. Anybody who looks like that is not on my side. Ever.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 19, 2013 10:41 AM (klH5X)

34 Would he win, and would he be an effective Representative. Everything else is nugatory.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 19, 2013 10:42 AM (evdj2)

35 I could easily imagine myself being fired by CNN, even (or especially) if Ted Turner Sr., who we all know is an asshole, were my father. He was the asshole head of what we now know is an asshole network. I don't know a damn thing about Teddy, not being in the Carolinas, but I'd be more likely to hold it against him if he WEREN'T fired.

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at February 19, 2013 10:42 AM (pasyP)

36 http://tinyurl.com/b76snks

Quite a lineup of candidates there. What a charlie foxtrot.

Posted by: BSR at February 19, 2013 10:42 AM (CBCxo)

37 This is essentially how Missouri ended up with Todd Akin. People want to
blame all sorts of things for that disaster of a pick, but honestly, he
was a sitting Congressman. His challengers were not, and had less name
recognition.


No. Akin was running #3 in a theoretically wide-open primary that really had 3 viable candidates.

#1 and #2 attacked each other (and were both Tea Party candidates). Akin was left out and got the benefit (not to mention an Operation Chaos by the Dems).

Posted by: AmishDude at February 19, 2013 10:43 AM (T0NGe)

38 I think we are doomed.

The average voter holds politicians to a lower standard than they hold the person in the drive-through to. And those bastards then make laws that effect all our lives. People suck.

Posted by: Invictus at February 19, 2013 10:43 AM (OQpzc)

39
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I think it's useful to point out the hypocracy here, but after pointing it out, and pausing for a second or two, it's time to get back to the accepting the reality of it.

Dems can get away with it. R's can't.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 19, 2013 10:43 AM (TOk1P)

40 This country is sorely lacking in the emotion of shame.

Posted by: Tami at February 19, 2013 10:44 AM (X6akg)

41 Sanford is right that people make mistakes and forgiveness is a noble thing. You can forgive a man his sins but you don't have to validate him or his choices with election to the House of Representatives.

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Sanford is right about this, but I hate how he made that add. I would agree that we are all sinners, but you don't ask forgiveness for your own sins by reminding everyone that we are all sinners. You confess your own sins and ask for atonement. Others can remind others that forgiveness should be given because we areall sinners.

Posted by: SH at February 19, 2013 10:44 AM (gmeXX)

42 Before they rush in with Sanford, maybe the SC GOP should see if Alvin Greene would consider changing parties.

Posted by: Nighthawk at February 19, 2013 10:44 AM (RSqz2)

43 Yes, people make mistakes and tis devine to forgive. Now go fuck your stupid assed self with a ditch witch Stanford.

Posted by: maddogg at February 19, 2013 10:46 AM (OlN4e)

44 As long as he doesn't get 50% there will be a runoff where he will have single opposition.



With 16 candidates on the ballot, I dont think he's likely to hit 50


Well, that's something anyway. Just have to make sure the clown candidates stay below 2%.

This looks like a project for Karl Rove. Time to tell the nobody candidates to withdraw so there's a strong opposition to Sanford.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 19, 2013 10:46 AM (T0NGe)

45
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Not really. Akin was always the favorite, and the fact that it was as close as it was is more of a testament to the fact that name recognition alone won't always carry the day.

But go ahead and believe Claire was smart enough to select Akin for the R's. That would give her WAAAAAAAAAY more credit than she and the Dems deserve. They expected to get slaughtered in that race, and would have if Akin had kept his mouth shut on that ONE issue, that one time.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 19, 2013 10:46 AM (TOk1P)

46 Wait, my state is represented by Charles Rangel. What's the problem again? Oh yeah, Sanford has an (R) after his name.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 19, 2013 10:47 AM (7ObY1)

47 1: Are we willing to make our adherence to principles tantamount to a suicide pact?

2: In the age of Media Capture, does it even matter?

Those are the questions we must ask. Sadly, I have no answers.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Keeper of Ampersands and Breitbart Login Spaces at February 19, 2013 10:47 AM (GBXon)

48 Compare how Democrats are protecting Menendez to how Republicans eat their own.

This is one of the many reasons we lose.

Posted by: Mr Pink at February 19, 2013 10:47 AM (N2Wd1)

49 I wish we spent half as much time fighting Communists and Fascists as we do bashing each other.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 19, 2013 10:48 AM (/kI1Q)

50
"people make mistakes "
Well, sure they do. You see, he didn't really want to get on a plane to Argentina, as he thought it was a junket for agriculture business. When he got to the hotel, he didn't really want a room, he wanted a phone to call home arrange a return flight. When that didn't work, he didn't really want to fornicate, but he was taking a shower fell down, accidentially on top of a passer by...
Mistake my a$$. Someone tell this clown to GTFO.

Posted by: Jess1 at February 19, 2013 10:49 AM (lbiWb)

51 "Did you read his post? He objects to the dereliction of duty, not the affair per se."

Yeah but Drew's trying to have it both ways.

"Sanford is right that people make mistakes and forgiveness is a noble
thing. You can forgive a man his sins but you don't have to validate him
or his choices with election to the House of Representatives."

What was the sin here, adultery or not telling anyone where you are for four days?

Posted by: lowandslow at February 19, 2013 10:50 AM (7Nq2G)

52 I hadn't thought of Mark Sanford in an age and a half and his entire disgraceful episode didn't make a huge impression on me. (I'm on the west coast and there are worse things going on.)

But my brother-in-law hiked the Appalachian Trail for real this summer, and any time I mentioned it, keeping in mind that 90% or more of the people I know are lefties, they snickered. Then I had to explain, Oh, no, this is the real Trail and see the picture on Facebook, etc., etc., etc.

Sanford would be a disaster, right up there in the respect-o-meter with Todd Akin.

Posted by: Tonestaple at February 19, 2013 10:50 AM (lBcjv)

53 #15 "Seriously, it seems like folks theoretically on our side of the balance are in two flavors: Folks who have no business running for office, and folks who have better things to do than run for office."

Yep. Some of those "better things to do" folks need to change their minds. We can't win if we don't even bother to show up.

Posted by: GalosGann at February 19, 2013 10:50 AM (T3KlW)

54 William J. Jefferson (D-LA) in August 2005 the FBI seized $90,000 in cash from Jefferson's home freezer. He was re-elected anyway.

Let's see, what's the difference here. Oh yeah, Jefferson accepted bribes, a federal offense, while Sanford cheated on his wife, making him a scumbag but not a federal offender.

No, that's not it. Hmmm, what could it be? Wait, I got it! Jefferson (***D***-LA)

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 19, 2013 10:51 AM (7ObY1)

55 >>>This country is sorely lacking in the emotion of shame.

You are ready for the next phase of your development

Posted by: Bigby's Vulcan Salute at February 19, 2013 10:51 AM (3ZtZW)

56 In terms of Turner, I'm convinced that because he had never opined publicly about politics, he saw a wide open race, the fact that he had a widely known name, and that he could get a lot of money really quickly as signs that he could win the race.

I keep coming back to this as the reason I'm good with Sanford in the race. I'd rather have a damaged representative who will vote to lower taxes and spending than have a representative that is probably pretty dumb and will do whatever he wants when he gets to D.C..

If this wasn't a race that essentially boiled down to Sanford/Turner, I'd probably go with someone else, but its not like that.

Posted by: David at February 19, 2013 10:51 AM (iqtXM)

57 I dont see opposing Sanford in the primary of a safe seat as eating our own. I'm guessing most of the other 15 candidates are just as conservative. Someone in SC can help me out on that.

But hey, at least we arent running Stephen Colbert's sister like the dems are.

Posted by: BSR at February 19, 2013 10:51 AM (CBCxo)

58 BTW, someone want to let Drew in on the following: "GOP" =/= "conservatives"?

Posted by: Jess1 at February 19, 2013 10:52 AM (lbiWb)

59 That Fucking Cock is on the jumping box right now lying his ass off.

I think David Carradine could've beat off to this and got the same effect, without the, you know, death.

Posted by: Opus An Arcus at February 19, 2013 10:52 AM (ENcm6)

60 It's party time! The House of Representatives gives you all of the perks of an elite status and none of the accountability.

Posted by: Fritz at February 19, 2013 10:52 AM (UzPAd)

61 Compare how Democrats are protecting Menendez to how Republicans eat their own.

It's easier when you have the entire MFM as your PR firm.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at February 19, 2013 10:52 AM (QXlbZ)

62 I don't really believe any of you are opposing him for any reason other than infidelity to his wife. The rest seems like small potatos. Like it's a big deal he might be in Argentina at 4AM when the Norks invade South Carolina.

Posted by: Entropy at February 19, 2013 10:53 AM (TULs6)

63 This is an interesting choice. I agree that some sins/mistakes are indeed unforgiveable (in the political world). But some require time to allow wounds to heal. Do we have a better choice than Sanford? If not, are his sins from6 years ago (or whenever they were - 4?) long enough in the past that we can look past them, or can we never look past them?

I'm not sure I completely agree with Drew on the dereliction of his duty. One, as another commentor pointed out, I'm sure someone knew where he was. Two, I'm not sure what it says about our country to know that we must have access to a govenor from a state the size of SC to make sure it functions. If that is the case, then our govenors have entirely too much power, even in today's modern era.

Posted by: SH at February 19, 2013 10:53 AM (gmeXX)

64 The Obamacleaver!!!

Posted by: Opus An Arcus at February 19, 2013 10:53 AM (ENcm6)

65 "Sanford is right that people make mistakes and forgiveness is a noble

thing. You can forgive a man his sins but you don't have to validate him

or his choices with election to the House of Representatives."

What was the sin here, adultery or not telling anyone where you are for four days?


Posted by: lowandslow at February 19, 2013 10:50 AM (7Nq2G)

caught not reading the article, dig your heels in! The AOSHQ way!

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 19, 2013 10:54 AM (xAtAj)

66 63

SC governors are actually pretty weak.

Posted by: David at February 19, 2013 10:54 AM (iqtXM)

67 If you can fuck over your wife and kids, there is pretty much no one left that you can't fuck over.

Posted by: navybrat at February 19, 2013 10:54 AM (7zvJ4)

68 51 "Did you read his post? He objects to the dereliction of duty, not the affair per se."

Drew has this picture planted in his head (by the media) that people were desperately searching for the governor on the Appalacian Trail while the state was in some crisis.

Posted by: jwest at February 19, 2013 10:54 AM (ZDsRL)

69 How can I use this to make the Tea Party look bad....?

Posted by: Karl Rove at February 19, 2013 10:54 AM (PFy0L)

70 I would certainly say the most damaging indictments of Sanford would be his use of public funds to either have the affair or hide the affair. For me, that is a politically unpardonable offense, more so than the affair and the derelection of duty claim (at least based on the facts as I know them).

Posted by: SH at February 19, 2013 10:55 AM (gmeXX)

71 I am sure some gives a crap what Erickson thinks- but it's not me.

Sandford is a loon who lied to cover his porking sessions with an Argentinian mistress. Wonderful. You can't make this shit up.

Oh, but he's CONSERVATIVE. Oh, gee now I feel much better about the whole sordid affair.

Am I being judgmental? No, I am just stating he sucks as a candidate.

Do I not feel he deserves forgiveness? Well, that's not up to me. He may, but he sure does not deserve anyone's vote.

You want to pay for your sins? Great. Spend the rest of you life in the ministry or some similar endeavor. Not public office.

Posted by: Marcus at February 19, 2013 10:55 AM (GGCsk)

72 STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES!

Posted by: Karl Rover at February 19, 2013 10:55 AM (Cnqmv)

73 62: Meh, I dont care that he cheated. I do care about giving the MFM and the Dems a constant punchline to kick around. Why give em that ammo when its a safe seat? I dont actually care that much, just my opinion.

Posted by: BSR at February 19, 2013 10:55 AM (CBCxo)

74 I'd rather have a damaged representative who will vote to lower taxes
and spending than have a representative that is probably pretty dumb and
will do whatever he wants when he gets to D.C..


How dare you think a district's party members should choose a nominee based their preferences for their district instead of what's good for The National Party?! How dare you, sir?!

O_o

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 19, 2013 10:55 AM (/kI1Q)

75 Because let's be honest here, if Sanford did go hiking in the
Appalachians and didn't tell anyone where he was for four days instead
of out banging some chick in Argentina I doubt this would be an issue anymore.

Posted by: lowandslow at February 19, 2013 10:57 AM (7Nq2G)

76 Hey, Carolina, Argentina.... they both end in -ina, so really what exactly is the big fuckin' deal anyway, huh?

Posted by: Tex's Assaultin' Batteries at February 19, 2013 10:57 AM (wtvvX)

77 For better or worse, that's a 24/7/365 on call thing.

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Drew puts the for better or worse caveat in this statement. I would say it is for much much worse. We need our Congressmen available 24/7? I just don't agree with Drew on this. But that may be me wishing things as they should be rather than accepting things as the are.

Posted by: SH at February 19, 2013 10:58 AM (gmeXX)

78
62 -

Mindreading is never as easy as it looks.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 19, 2013 10:58 AM (TOk1P)

79 From the NBC/MSNBC announcement:

"For nearly three decades, Axelrod guided successful campaigns at every level on the ballot. He began his career as a journalist, spending eight years as a political writer, columnist and City Hall bureau chief for the Chicago Tribune before stepping into politics in 1984.

"He founded Axelrod and Associates, a political and media consulting firm which became AKPD Message and Media. He later founded the communications management firm ASGK Public Strategies.

"Axelrod, an alumnus of the University of Chicago, was recently named director of the university's new Institute of Politics, and as a Distinguished Senior Fellow at the Harris School of Public Policy. He previously worked as an Adjunct Professor of Communication Studies at Northwestern University."

Posted by: Keith Olbermann at February 19, 2013 10:58 AM (e8kgV)

80 Sanford is smart, well-informed on fiscal issues, and knows the ropes. Unfortunately he's also completely untrustworthy and may very well be mentally unstable. I don't think it's worth the risk.

Ray Nash and John Kuhn seem like better candidates to me. Kuhn is my preference between the two.

By the way, this is a great time to bleg: any readers in SC that want to get rid of Lindsay Graham should contact me ASAP for time-critical information. My email is my username at gmail.com.

Posted by: rfichoke at February 19, 2013 10:58 AM (ohszX)

81 DrewM, he will probably win that contest. I think you are barking up the wrong tree on this one. Even after the affair was made public his support was still high in the State. I don't know about that district down there at the coast because that is not his stomping grounds.


As for the Appalachian Hiking BS he never said that. That was a dumb shit on his staff who came up with that one. He apologized, he married his babe and it is mostly forgotten now.


And he is NOT a social con, he is more of a little "L" libertarian Republican. And his record as governor was outstanding.


And why should we punish our guys when caught with their zippers down when the Dems never even get a press report on it?

Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 10:58 AM (53z96)

82 The long-time strategist for President Obama and former White
House senior adviser is joining NBC News and MSNBC as a "senior
political analyst," the networks said Tuesday.

Posted by: Keith Olbermann at February 19, 2013 10:58 AM (e8kgV)

83 You confess your own sins and ask for atonement. Others can remind others that forgiveness should be given because we areall sinners.

Sounds kind of complicated. Plus, all shamey and accountable. Fuck that noise.

Allahu Ackbar!

*Decapitates infidel*

*Performs cliterectomy*

*Blames Jews*

Posted by: Islamotard at February 19, 2013 10:59 AM (BrQrN)

84 File this under "Arguments Democrats Do Not Have"...

Posted by: Tex's Assaultin' Batteries at February 19, 2013 10:59 AM (wtvvX)

85 The long-time strategist for President Obama and former White House senior adviser is joining NBC News and MSNBC as a "senior political analyst," the networks said Tuesday.

Axelrod "will contribute frequently across all broadcasts and platforms of both networks," said the announcement.

This basically means Axelrod can't appear on competing networks.

Posted by: Keith Olbermann at February 19, 2013 10:59 AM (e8kgV)

86
"Seriously, it seems like folks theoretically on our side of the balance are in two flavors: Folks who have no business running for office, and folks who have better things to do than run for office.

No wonder we're screwed."

Yup. The process has degraded to the point where you have to be a raging narccissist to run for office. What sane and capable person with "better things to do" would put him or herself through the neverending,sandpaper-lubed rectal exam required to be elected to office? With narccissists, it ain't a problem what they say about you just so long as they're talking about you. With leftists, it doesn't matter because they'll be treated well in the media anyway. Inflicting their vision of the world on the unwilling is their shared religion.

We're not just screwed - we're royally fucked.

Posted by: Jaws at February 19, 2013 10:59 AM (4I3Uo)

87 If the guy's apology tour consists of "I did nothing wrong", I'm ready to disqualify him on that alone.


Yes, I understand this is a resume enhancer for a Dem. No, I don't like it or think it's fair.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 19, 2013 11:00 AM (yCvxi)

88 If we don't bend Obama over right now and bone him till he cries like a pussy, it's not going to matter if we run the orgy-child of Patton, Jesus, Mother Theresa, Raquel Welch, John Wayne, Dan Fouts and Mrs. Santa Claus. for president.

He is talking like a desperate idiot painted into a corner.

Posted by: Opus An Arcus at February 19, 2013 11:00 AM (ENcm6)

89 What a lying cock sucker. It really is past the time where Republican spokesmen have to get up and do a Cousin Vinny: Everything that guy just said is bullshit!

Fuckin disgusting lying asshole piece of commie shit bastard cock sucking lying cock sucker

Posted by: Bob Memendez at February 19, 2013 11:00 AM (9Bj8R)

90 Short form:

If Sanford is the best the Republican Party has to offer in SC, then SC is DOOOOMED. Vic, pack your bags and get out now while you still can!



Just because Teddy Kennedy (D-POS) and Bill Clinton (POS-D) were embraced and supported by the entire Dem apparatus, including the state media, is no reason why the Republican Party should attempt the same thing. And can you imagine the juicy anti-Sanford ads that will unexpectedly appear right after the primary and run until the election!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 19, 2013 11:01 AM (Cnqmv)

91 74

I live in the district, and I can't stand the fact that people are giving Teddy Turner the time of day. I just wish someone like Larry Grooms was pulling the kind of support Teddy Turner is.

Teddy Turner is an idiot. Mark Sanford cheated on his wife.

Give me Sanford.

Posted by: David at February 19, 2013 11:01 AM (iqtXM)

92 OOps Sock Off

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 19, 2013 11:01 AM (9Bj8R)

93 20

5 -

This is essentially how Missouri ended up with Todd Akin.
People want to blame all sorts of things for that disaster of a pick,
but honestly, he was a sitting Congressman. His challengers were not,
and had less name recognition.

I'm guessing (although I don't know) that's how Virginia ended up with Mr. Macaca on their ballot this last time too.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 19, 2013 10:36 AM (TOk1P)

This is exactly how Virginia ended up with Allen again, and his campaign was just as inspired as McCain's. Hell, Romney spent more time in western Virginia than Allen did.
Several of the other candidates for the nomination were "Tea Party" candidates, although they were from competing "Tea Parties", and both were very inexperienced and underfunded. It was just assumed that Allen would win the nomination and the election because 2006 was a disaster for the GOP and 2012 was going to be the high point.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, formerly MrCaniac at February 19, 2013 11:01 AM (Zd/NW)

94 Well, whoever runs a Sanford campaign will spend all their time talking about the Argentine Bombshell

news coverage of the campaign will be all about how the Sanford camp is answering questions about the Argentine Bombshell

every time voters hear about Sanford on the news, they'll be reminded about the Argentine Bombshell



Sorry, the guy may be repentant, he may otherwise be a good legislator, but he also has a Permanent Political Albatross around his neck, one he put there himself. C'mon, y'all know how this works.

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 19, 2013 11:01 AM (8sCoq)

95 My question is this. Our there other candidates who could run? Do we have someone better? Will Sanford win? Can we expect Sanford to vote fiscally conservative?

Until I know the answers to those questions, I'm not sure how I should feel about this. But it doesn't matter. I don't live in SC.

Posted by: SH at February 19, 2013 11:01 AM (gmeXX)

96 The little head was talking for the big head.


Shit happens. You greatly over estimate the time requirements of being the Governor of SC, or any state.

Sanford is not one of my favorites, but a buddy of mine hunts with him and was in Argentina when the shit happened.

He went to Furman and UVA and was a Captain in the AF. He married VERY well the first time, his wife is where the money was.

Now, he probably needs a job. He been there before, so he would make a reasonable good Representative.

I doubt he will win the primary. Remember Strom Thurman's son ran the last time and lost to Scott. He could probably beat Sanford.

Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 19, 2013 11:02 AM (wR+pz)

97 >>No, that's not it. Hmmm, what could it be? Wait, I got it! Jefferson (***D***-LA)

And on the Republican side side, we have David Vitter!

Sigh.

Posted by: Mama AJ, Assault Poiser at February 19, 2013 11:02 AM (SUKHu)

98 Oh by the by that Cock Sucker is on Fox live lying his skinnie assholes as off.

He said he is gonna work everyday to get a compromise???? I guess he meant other than when he is off playing golf or campaigning?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 19, 2013 11:02 AM (9Bj8R)

99 Allowing Republicans to continue on after such a scandal began with Lousiana Senator David Vitter. That was a mistake no matter how good a conservative he was which is questionable since he slandered many conservatives in the Louisiana GOP.

Posted by: polynikes at February 19, 2013 11:02 AM (m2CN7)

100 Drew has this picture planted in his head (by the
media) that people were desperately searching for the governor on the
Appalacian Trail while the state was in some crisis.





Posted by: jwest at February 19, 2013 10:54 AM (ZDsRL)

And the optics difference is?
Not that I really mind Sanford being a congressman, because it won't honestly do much to national politics.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 19, 2013 11:03 AM (xAtAj)

101 [appended for continuity]

Miss Marple posted a link http://minx.cc/?blog=86post=337662#c20218395

in the previous thread that directly addresses why 'we' [GOPers] get these types of candidates. We're being played by the media and we need to find a counter strategy.


Posted by: Skandia Recluse at February 19, 2013 11:03 AM (FLeUj)

102
Sorry, the guy may be repentant, he may
otherwise be a good legislator, but he also has a Permanent Political
Albatross around his neck, one he put there himself. C'mon, y'all know
how this works.


Posted by: Jones in CO at February 19, 2013 11:01 AM (8sCoq)

But reality isn't FAAAAIR!!! *stomps feet*

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 19, 2013 11:03 AM (xAtAj)

103 The fact that people are supporting this idiot for congress makes me think that Republicans absolutely have no business running this country. Have we lost our friggin minds?

Posted by: Jack Burton at February 19, 2013 11:04 AM (keg/A)

104 Sarah Palin is a quitter, but Mark Sanford FTW? Really?

Posted by: Kensington at February 19, 2013 11:04 AM (uaEZS)

105 Maybe DrewM will change his mind since I agree with him totally on this issue.

Posted by: polynikes at February 19, 2013 11:05 AM (m2CN7)

106 I don't really believe any of you are opposing him for any reason other than infidelity to his wife. The rest seems like small potatos. Like it's a big deal he might be in Argentina at 4AM when the Norks invade South Carolina.
Posted by: Entropy at February 19, 2013 10:53 AM (TULs6)


I have less of a problem with his infidelity and more of a problem with him abandoning his post as Governor to wing his way to Argentina to be with his lover. Had a natural disaster hit -- like, say, a hurricane -- or a manmade disaster for that matter, he'd have been a continent away and response would have fallen to his underlings. Sorry, I happen to find that inexcusable in a public servant who holds the most powerful seat in the state.


That said, I'm not in South Carolina. I have no say in who the people there choose to vote for. I DO think Sanford would be a better Representative than that asshat Turner, though that's not saying much, and I think all of us would prefer someone else instead of those two. But in the end it's up to the Carolinians. If they feel they can forgive him his past transgressions, then so be it.

If the media decides to make a fuss about his history, then -- were I a leader in the GOP -- I'd hit back with Menendez, Corzine, J-Cubed, the whole gamut. "You want to talk about a politician's questionable history? Okay, let's talk. How about that Bob Menendez, eh?"


But theGOP is the DOPE for a reason. They're stupider than a sack full of hammers that think they're wrenches.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 19, 2013 11:05 AM (4df7R)

107 FWIW I think Sanford is more of a quitter than Palin. Palin really didn't have much of a choice(sucks but that still makes her a quitter in the public eye). Sanford chose to quit of his own volition.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 19, 2013 11:05 AM (xAtAj)

108 I would certainly say the most damaging indictments of Sanford would be
his use of public funds to either have the affair or hide the affair.




That would be a damnable offense if he had done it. And you can bet your ass a lot of people were looking for that.

Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 11:05 AM (53z96)

109 I surprised that Jenny didn't whack it off with a Skil saw

Posted by: rikthedik at February 19, 2013 11:06 AM (ZhQmo)

110 This is why we need a conservative organization that can come up with talking points and coordinate with people on the right who are in the media.

If Sanford does run, he will need people on our side saying things like "Yes, he fell in love with another woman. But he didn't keep bribe money in the freezer like the democrats do".

With coordinated effort, the left (media) would quickly learn that every time they bring up the subject, they would get hammered right back with something worse. Instead, they will always find someone like SE Cupp or Frum or a blogger to say how unqualified or stupid our candidate is.

Posted by: jwest at February 19, 2013 11:06 AM (ZDsRL)

111 If you'll cheat on your wife, you'll cheat on anything.

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 19, 2013 11:07 AM (8sCoq)

112
States with worse governance and politics than South Carolina:

Louisiana, New Jersey, Massachusetts, California, Illinois.

I could go on, really. South Carolina is not perfect but it is not the bottom of the barrel by any means.

Former governors of Illinois, Louisiana and New Jersey are real criminals. Massachusetts and California are governed by inept morons.
Those states are riddled with incompetence and idiocy. And there are others. I frankly don't care what Sanford does, but it is a sign of how bad the political class is in this country that he would even be considered and could raise money with some people.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at February 19, 2013 11:07 AM (RFeQD)

113 he is one of the 99% that needs to retire from any position of authority.

Posted by: notaveryfunnyname at February 19, 2013 11:07 AM (9mpfK)

114 "I think it makes more sense in Spanish but there you have it."

It sounds more melodious in French. It is a lot longer and sounds dramatic in German. And it will get you beheaded in Farsi.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at February 19, 2013 11:07 AM (71LDo)

115 I have to agree with navybrat @ 67: Your wedding vows are the most solemn vows you can make, and the most personal. If you'll blow those off, you'll blow off any other promise or commitment you make too, just as soon as you find it convenient to do so.

Posted by: Tonestaple at February 19, 2013 11:07 AM (lBcjv)

116
94 -

Yes, we know that's how it works, but WE DON'T LIKES IT!!! IT'S NOT FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIR!!!!!

Posted by: BurtTC at February 19, 2013 11:08 AM (TOk1P)

117
And why should we punish our guys when caught with their zippers down when the Dems never even get a press report on it?
Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 10:58 AM (53z96)



I don't give a crap about the affair. I give a crap about taking off and being unavailable when he was in charge of the state. You can't do that. How can you possibly support him after that? That's a serious question, how can you think that Sanford is qualified for office when he has proven that he will not take his duties seriously?

Posted by: alexthechick - Chaotic Evil Hobbit. at February 19, 2013 11:08 AM (VtjlW)

118 Sandford should really get his own reality show, not a public office.

He's got lunacy, secret trips and sex sessions with an Argentine mistress.

Who wouldn't watch?

Posted by: Marcus at February 19, 2013 11:08 AM (GGCsk)

119 No. Akin was running #3 in a theoretically wide-open primary that really had 3 viable candidates.

#1
and #2 attacked each other (and were both Tea Party candidates). Akin
was left out and got the benefit (not to mention an Operation Chaos by
the Dems).


Posted by: AmishDude at February 19, 2013 10:43 AM (T0NGe)

Yes, maybe, but also not really.I (a Missourian) predicted and Akin win (for the R slot) sometime before the beauty contest primary. Even though he was polling behind. Steelman was not really a good candidate. She may have been a spoiler for the other guy, but honestly I'm not sure. Name recognition tends to win out in close elections, especially for senate seats. There are Low info Primary voters, and they tend to look at the field and vote for the guy they recognize.
I think operation Chaos did play into it somewhat, but in fairness, I think most people didn't expect a sitting congressman to self destruct like that either. (I'm still trying to figure out if Claire was brilliant, or just got lucky.)

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 19, 2013 11:09 AM (kLNMp)

120 Posted by: Tonestaple at February 19, 2013 11:07 AM (lBcjv)

HEAR HEAR!!

Posted by: Drew Peterson at February 19, 2013 11:09 AM (ENcm6)

121 Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 19, 2013 11:05 AM (xAtAj)


Sanford is a real quitter!


Palin was hounded 24/7 to quit by resources beyond her ability to fight (MSM) and abandoned by the RINO establishment!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 19, 2013 11:09 AM (Cnqmv)

122 "I wish we spent half as much time fighting Communists and Fascists as we do bashing each other"
===============

Every time we fight the Communist and Fascist he holds a press conference in the oval office and calls us racists.

Posted by: Kensington at February 19, 2013 11:09 AM (uaEZS)

123 And why should we punish our guys when caught with their zippers down when the Dems never even get a press report on it?

When we're freezing to death in the dark under totalitarian rule, at least we'll have our self-righteousness.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 19, 2013 11:09 AM (/kI1Q)

124 107

Sanford served out the remainder of his term. He didn't quit.

Posted by: David at February 19, 2013 11:10 AM (iqtXM)

125 I suppose the self-described 'ficons' and other libertarian-leaning types will now tell those of us who think character counts to stop being so puritannical, prudish, and holier-than-thou. Gotcha.

Here's the deal: character does matter. A man in a publicleadership position who will betray his wife will sell out his friends and screw over his supporters just as easily. Sure, all of us fall short; all of us make mistakes; none of us are perfect; we are all flawed human beings living in a fallen world. However, few of us are stewards of the public trust. Those few should have enough self-control and command of their passions--at least during the time they're holding public office--not to do things which will bring discredit on them and the party to which they belong.

Posted by: troyriser at February 19, 2013 11:10 AM (vtiE6)

126 "Sanford chose to quit of his own volition."

He quit?

Posted by: lowandslow at February 19, 2013 11:10 AM (7Nq2G)

127

111
If you'll cheat on your wife, you'll cheat on anything.


I agree to a point. Jenny had the money and she probably ran his life like a drum. The pussy was probably stone cold, but she seems to have found another man already, so maybe the thing done thawed out?

@106

He was on a job recruiting trip/hunting trip. Commerce Secretary had set it up and they met with people down there.

Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 19, 2013 11:11 AM (wR+pz)

128 States with worse governance and politics than South Carolina:

Louisiana, New Jersey, Massachusetts, California, Illinois.

I could go on, really. South Carolina is not perfect but it is not the bottom of the barrel by any means.

Former governors of Illinois, Louisiana and New Jersey are real criminals.

---

Louisiana's got *one* criminal ex-governor. He just happened to be elected four times, the last time coming because it was either him or David Duke.

That's not to say that I wouldn't string Buddy Roemer and Kathleen Blanco from the Mississippi River Bridge if I had the chance, but they didn't do anything that ended up in charges.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 19, 2013 11:11 AM (e0xKF)

129 "(I'm still trying to figure out if Claire was brilliant, or just got lucky.)"

got lucky, she was avg appvs in the low 30s and was on her way out before Akin opened his mouth. it's one advg to being the incumbent. if both you and your challenger are hated, the incumbent wins because people stick to the devil they know. kinda saw that in the Prez race as well (but not as strong a factor)

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, El Patron at February 19, 2013 11:12 AM (yAor6)

130 Drew puts the for better or worse caveat in this
statement. I would say it is for much much worse. We need our
Congressmen available 24/7? I just don't agree with Drew on this. But
that may be me wishing things as they should be rather than accepting
things as the are.

Posted by: SH at February 19, 2013 10:58 AM (gmeXX)

Drew's quite clearly referring to governor on that one. He specifically notes that being one of 435 isn't as important.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 19, 2013 11:12 AM (kLNMp)

131 When we're freezing to death in the dark under totalitarian rule, at least we'll have our self-righteousness.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 19, 2013 11:09 AM (/kI1Q)

False dilemma. It is possible to find electable, capableleaders who are not immoral, faithlessassholes.

Posted by: troyriser at February 19, 2013 11:12 AM (vtiE6)

132 "He quit?"
===============

No, that would have been bad. He just disappeared for awhile to get some poon tang. That's totally cool.

Posted by: Kensington at February 19, 2013 11:12 AM (uaEZS)

133 Well, whoever runs a Sanford campaign will spend all their time talking about the Argentine Bombshell


That should all be burned away in the primary. But yes, the MFM here will excoriate him every day in the papers and the local TV news. In fact, they have already started.


You know how I know that? Because they excoriated him every day BEFORE the affair. Now they are doing the same thing to Haley.


ALL the news in this State is owned and operated by the Democrats.


But you know what else? The people know that. He stands a damn good chance of winning the primary for several reasons:

1. He was and is popular
2. He has a large war chest left over from previous times.
3. He has name recognition where as the only one of the other candidates who I even recognize their name is that Turner turd.


And my guess would be that Turner turd is about as popular as a large fart on a hard pew in a Baptist church on Sunday morning.

Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 11:13 AM (53z96)

134 115
I have to agree with navybrat @ 67: Your wedding vows are the most
solemn vows you can make, and the most personal. If you'll blow those
off, you'll blow off any other promise or commitment you make too, just
as soon as you find it convenient to do so.

Posted by: Tonestaple at February 19, 2013 11:07 AM (lBcjv)


So I guess Gov Daniels of IN shouldn't have taking his cheating wife back?Forgiveness is Godly. You know the old throw the stones shit?

Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 19, 2013 11:13 AM (wR+pz)

135 "I give a crap about taking off and being unavailable when he was in charge of the state."

Yes, North Carolina or Georgia could have invaded at any moment and Sanford wasn't there. Jeebus.

Do you honestly think that nobody in the administration had a number to reach him? Do you think that just because they said he was hiking and unavailable, he was really out of touch? Could it be that some of his aides may have been telling a little fib to cover for the boss?

Posted by: jwest at February 19, 2013 11:13 AM (ZDsRL)

136
119 -

This is Claire we're talking about. Vote "lucky."

Posted by: BurtTC at February 19, 2013 11:13 AM (TOk1P)

137 You go to war with the flakes, cranks, and crooks you got, not the ones you wish you had

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 19, 2013 11:13 AM (1rU+d)

138 67
If you can fuck over your wife and kids, there is pretty much no one left that you can't fuck over.



Posted by: navybrat at February 19, 2013 10:54 AM (7zvJ4)

Shame on him!

Posted by: Bill Clinton at February 19, 2013 11:14 AM (AWmfW)

139 He was on a job recruiting trip/hunting trip. Commerce Secretary had set it up and they met with people down there.



Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 19, 2013 11:11 AM (wR+pz)

If he screwed with public resources to get down there (even piggybacking it on a legitimate trip) I'm not sure he's a trustworthy candidate. It's only a small leap from "just this little side trip." to "bathtub full of champagne."

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 19, 2013 11:14 AM (kLNMp)

140 In other news, what the fuck is wrong with South Carolina???

Seriously- the stories of general fuckupery in SC politics are legion. Running Sanford? Really? There's not a single Republican in the state other than him to run?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 19, 2013 11:15 AM (SY2Kh)

141 Sanford has my support if he is going to primary McConnel, otherwise, not so much.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at February 19, 2013 11:15 AM (epxV4)

142 I already do not trust any politician, regardless of party affiliation. That is where I start. Most of the time my distrust is proven to be with merit. I have never been disappointed to date. Every single politician I have ever supported with either money or time or both has eventually landed me with regrets, and sometimes, not small ones.

In order to get me to support them a politician must at the very least pretend to be trustworthy. At least for a little while. I know the honeymoon ends for us all. But, for crying out loud, people with a proven record of deception are a non starter for me.


Posted by: navybrat at February 19, 2013 11:16 AM (7zvJ4)

143 He was on a job recruiting trip/hunting trip. Commerce Secretary had set it up and they met with people down there.
Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 19, 2013 11:11 AM (wR+pz)


The situation can be dressed up as much as they'd like, Billy Bob, but he was incommunicado for days. When you're on official business, you stay in contact. You don't disappear. You don't claim to be out hiking the Appalachian Trail if you're in Argentina on legitimate business; you do that when you're in Argentina to schtup your latina lover.

He abandoned his post. He may not have quit in the literal sense of the word, but he knowingly gave his chances at another gubernatorial term the ax. Whether you view that as quitting or not is subjective, but I do.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 19, 2013 11:16 AM (4df7R)

144 Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 19, 2013 11:11 AM (e0xKF)

You're correct Brandon about those guysbut Vitter is theone thatstill gets under my skin. Not only did he deny that he had done what he was accused of later to be found true, but he slandered, named called and attempted to destroy the people , good conservatives, who had accused him.

Posted by: polynikes at February 19, 2013 11:16 AM (m2CN7)

145 Can I get a side of Akin with that shit sandwich?

Posted by: Tonic Dog at February 19, 2013 11:16 AM (X/+QT)

146 I'm not sure he's a trustworthy candidate.

Trustworthy and candidate are mutually exclusive.

The people you can trust run away from politics, and the people who seek office are by definition scum

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 19, 2013 11:16 AM (1rU+d)

147 If the voters want him, so be it.

I just think it is strange how some bad behavior is tolerated by the big mouth conservatives but if it is a socon they must be run out of town. And I make this observation not as a socon.

Posted by: I chase him - I bite him at February 19, 2013 11:16 AM (6J6x7)

148 It's more than cheating on his wife. The bizarreness of his absence and the nude hiking rumors etc. A Gov should not just disappear.

Posted by: Baldy at February 19, 2013 11:17 AM (opS9C)

149
My wife won't let me "hike the Appalachian Trail".

OTOH, I am glad I am no longer a capital R Republican.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 19, 2013 11:17 AM (p/cQy)

150 So I guess Gov Daniels of IN shouldn't have taking
his cheating wife back?Forgiveness is Godly. You know the old throw the
stones shit?



Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 19, 2013 11:13 AM (wR+pz)


Mitch could do whatever he wanted and is well positioned as the president of Purdue University.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 19, 2013 11:17 AM (klH5X)

151 Its a crazy day when the spawn of Ted Turner, Teddy, should be the more viable candidate in this race. Although I'd still love to see Ginny Sanford run, and we have a Jerry Springer moderated primary debate!

Posted by: Iblis at February 19, 2013 11:18 AM (U0ndG)

152 Posted by: BurtTC at February 19, 2013 11:13 AM (TOk1P)

I know I know, but when she was running "anti-akin" ads designed to gin up the Conservative base for him, I commented to a friend "that's not going to work, he's not as weak as she thinks he is."

I honestly figured in MO's political environment that most of what he had said (up until the Rape thing) was on the balance a net positive.
"Stage 4 cancer of socialism" still net positive.
"America is losing her liberty" Still net positive.

So I didn't expect him to totally fuck up.

In retrospect though (hindsight 20/20 all that jazz) there were signs. The lack of a real political staff (for a Senatorial campaign! I mean maybe at the congressman level, but for Senator you can't have your son as campaign manager.) The lack of preparation in general, etc.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 19, 2013 11:18 AM (kLNMp)

153 @139

So, you believe that all the "business trips" that government officials take should be just business? After your business you go sit in your room?


That how your job is? You work all day and then after work you can not have any free time, but must go to your room?

I don't think so. Government service is not a commitment to a monastery.

Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 19, 2013 11:18 AM (wR+pz)

154 So I guess Gov Daniels of IN shouldn't have taking his cheating wife back?Forgiveness is Godly. You know the old throw the stones shit?
Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 19, 2013 11:13 AM (wR+pz)

Screw that. God doesn't say you have to take back a cheating wife.

Posted by: polynikes at February 19, 2013 11:18 AM (m2CN7)

155 Wasn't the money about him going on a trade tour to see his honey? I think it was still within his discretion to attend or not.

Posted by: I chase him - I bite him at February 19, 2013 11:18 AM (6J6x7)

156 I suppose the self-described 'ficons' and other libertarian-leaning types will now tell those of us who think character counts to stop being so puritannical, prudish, and holier-than-thou.

Not this libertarian. Just because it isn't my business what somebody does in his private life doesn't mean I will employ an untrustworthy man in a sensitive position. We already have a NJ senator putting himself in a compromising situation with shady foreign women. I'm not prepared to knowingly have my Congressman doing the same.

Posted by: rfichoke at February 19, 2013 11:19 AM (ohszX)

157 "I wish we spent half as much time fighting Communists and Fascists as we do bashing each other"
===============

And the slum lords! And the union busters!

Posted by: 1940's Era Superman at February 19, 2013 11:19 AM (uaEZS)

158 #84 File this under "Arguments Democrats Do Not Have"...


THIS^^^^^

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 19, 2013 11:19 AM (7ObY1)

159 In other news, what the fuck is wrong with South Carolina???


Steve Spurrier.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 19, 2013 11:19 AM (klH5X)

160 How do you people know he was "incommunicado"? Because the local fucking news said so?


Like I said, ALL of the GD local news here is owned and operated by the Democrat Party.

Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 11:19 AM (53z96)

161 151

He's not. From what I understand, he's pulling second level support purely because of Sanford.

Because the race is so short, it's coming down to nothing but name recognition. That's just the reality of such a short race with so many candidates. There's no time to define anyone.

Posted by: David at February 19, 2013 11:20 AM (iqtXM)

162 Do you honestly think that nobody in the administration had a number to reach him? Do you think that just because they said he was hiking and unavailable, he was really out of touch? Could it be that some of his aides may have been telling a little fib to cover for the boss?
Posted by: jwest at February 19, 2013 11:13 AM (ZDsRL)


Then I would welcome any of those aides to come forward and say, "I had his number. We could have reached him at any time. We remained in contact and his duties as governor were always top priority."

Have any of them done that? If not, why not? At the time of the original story I could understand keeping it low, because who wants to know that the aides were covering for their boss' infidelity? That's just creepy. But the hysteria is passed now, and it's only coming up again because of this House run. So go ahead and allay these fears if there's a simple answer.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 19, 2013 11:20 AM (4df7R)

163 States with worse governance and politics than South Carolina:

Louisiana, New Jersey, Massachusetts, California, Illinois.


They're worse by virtue of Democrat machine politics.

In SC, even the Republican politicos are prone to being head cases.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 19, 2013 11:20 AM (SY2Kh)

164 @150

That has nothing to do with my point.


People should not be judged badly because they forgive someone, on the contrary, they should be praised.

Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 19, 2013 11:20 AM (wR+pz)

165 You're correct Brandon about those guysbut Vitter is theone thatstill gets under my skin. Not only did he deny that he had done what he was accused of later to be found true, but he slandered, named called and attempted to destroy the people , good conservatives, who had accused him.

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Sadly, he's still the more upstanding of our two Senators.

I'm looking forward to the possibility of Mary Landrieu leaving the Senate.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 19, 2013 11:21 AM (e0xKF)

166 God doesn't say you have to take back a cheating wife.

He also doesn't say you should be shunned if you do.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 19, 2013 11:21 AM (/kI1Q)

167 So I guess Gov Daniels of IN shouldn't have taking his cheating wife back?Forgiveness is Godly. You know the old throw the stones shit?
Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 19, 2013 11:13 AM (wR+pz)

That Mitch Daniels and his wife were ultimately able to reconcile and reunite speaks well of both of them. Mitch was my governor and we love the guy. Insofar as I know, no one pointed fingers at his wife or said or did anything to discomfit or embarrass them. What happened between them was their business, and never--to my knowledge--came up in a public context in Indiana.

It isn't about throwing stones, at least not from Indiana conservatives. The national media was preparing to Palinize the daylights out of Daniels' wife because they knew Mitch was a very viable and electable national candidate, a threat to The Beloved One,and in the end, that's what swayed Daniels' decision not to run for president. No self-righteous prigs from the right were attacking Daniels or his wife. Your insinuation is false.

Posted by: troyriser at February 19, 2013 11:22 AM (vtiE6)

168 OT but WTH: That TSR film in the sidebar was pretty interesting.

I know RPGing is considered the height of nerdiness (and maybe it is), but it did (and still does, actually) give a constructive outlet for bright young people to stay home; play a game that doesn't hurt anyone; apply complex rule sets requiring reading comprehension and mathematical ability far beyond anything ever seen before in a game and that most of its critics couldn't hope to understand; and most importantly for these nerdy, well-read, antisocial dweebs, interact with other serious, like-minded people to accomplish agreed-upon goals in an intellectually stimulating but ultimately harmless manner.

Naturally D&D was universally attacked from all sides (including parents and churches), and its players were taunted as major dorks and criticized by all relevant authority figures as if they were doing something wrong (or even dangerous).

That stigma continues even today, and what's funny is that so long as you change the branding -- e.g., tell someone you're playing Pathfinder instead of D&D -- those very same critics will shrug and say, oh, that's cool, have a good time.

The masses are fucking morons.

Posted by: Blacksheep at February 19, 2013 11:22 AM (8/DeP)

169
152 -

I read a Kevin Horrigan (I'm assuming you know who he is) piece that said something to the effect that there were years worth of Akinisms out there, and the press was just waiting for the opportunity to unleash them. Essentially for the fun ofit, because everybody figured it wasn't going to undo his candidacy.

I would believe Claire's team knew of them as well, so if they were going to choose their opponent, it would make sense they would want someone on whom they already had material.

I believe they fully expected to lose though, and it was just a matter of being able to go down swinging.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 19, 2013 11:22 AM (TOk1P)

170 "No, that would have been bad. He just disappeared for awhile to get some poon tang. That's totally cool."

Where did I say it was totally cool? The adultery disqualifies him for me, just as it did for Gingrich. I'm not going to pretend it was because some staffers and the press didn't know where he was for four days.

Posted by: lowandslow at February 19, 2013 11:23 AM (7Nq2G)

171 Anthony Weiner was run out of the House for tweeting a lousy picture of his jock.

Don't tell me the GOP has higher standards.

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at February 19, 2013 11:23 AM (rhu8R)

172 Do you honestly think that nobody in the administration had a number to reach him? Do you think that just because they said he was hiking and unavailable, he was really out of touch? Could it be that some of his aides may have been telling a little fib to cover for the boss?
Posted by: jwest at February 19, 2013 11:13 AM (ZDsRL)



Do you really think it's okay for the Governor of a state to take off to another country and keep it a secret? You know what, I do, in fact, believe that he was making himself unavailable since he was out of the country on personal business and at least his staff felt the need to come up with a cover story. Being the governor of a state is not the same as me heading off to Canada and here's a number you can get me. When you run for office and get elected as the chief executive of your state, you give up all kinds of privileges regarding your personal life, including being able to head out of town on the sly.


Seriously, you're defending this? Really? You think this is acceptable conduct by a sitting Governor? I do not. You do. Fine. We will never ever ever ever ever agree on this.


Posted by: alexthechick - Chaotic Evil Hobbit. at February 19, 2013 11:23 AM (VtjlW)

173 At least he isn't a Tea Party Piece of shit.

Posted by: Karl Rove at February 19, 2013 11:24 AM (vYB+W)

174 Getting some side pussy is sort of an old SC tradition. I don't know why, but at a certain age, like in South America, the old wives are happy not to give it up and happy their husband won't bother them about it.

I know a lot of elected officials in SC. I got invited to the "Lobbyist Ball" one year. The only rule?

You had to bring a date, and it couldn't be your wife.

I am serious. I declined.

Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 19, 2013 11:24 AM (wR+pz)

175
152 -

Oh, and it's worth noting, the man voted AGAINST the fiscal cliff deal.

He was a good Congressman. Not a bright guy at all, but good on the issues, and he voted the right way. He should have stayed there.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 19, 2013 11:25 AM (TOk1P)

176 I thought he had married the woman but I can't find any verification for it -- just that they were engaged.

Posted by: I chase him - I bite him at February 19, 2013 11:25 AM (6J6x7)

177 Seriously, you're defending this? Really? You
think this is acceptable conduct by a sitting Governor? I do not. You
do. Fine. We will never ever ever ever ever agree on this.



Posted by: alexthechick - Chaotic Evil Hobbit. at February 19, 2013 11:23 AM (VtjlW)


How do you know he is the ONLY one who has ever done that? I seriously doubt that he is.

Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 11:25 AM (53z96)

178 People should not be judged badly because they forgive someone, on the contrary, they should be praised.
Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 19, 2013 11:20 AM (wR+pz)

You can forgive someone but still have bad judgement with what you do after you forgive them. I have less respect and question the judgement of people who allow someone who betrayed them back in their lives. I am not judging them for the act of forgiving them.

Posted by: polynikes at February 19, 2013 11:26 AM (m2CN7)

179 @176

I know he announced he was engaged. Don't know if they ever got married. She has been very discreet, no one has laid eyes on her.

Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 19, 2013 11:26 AM (wR+pz)

180 People should not be judged badly because they forgive someone, on the contrary, they should be praised.


Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 19, 2013 11:20 AM (wR+pz)


Good luck with that hypothesis. That didn't work out so well for Haley Barbour. If Daniels ever decided to run for a national office the MFM would be chock full of dirtbags willing to describe what an insatiable nympho Cheri was. Film at 11.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 19, 2013 11:26 AM (klH5X)

181 I have an idea. All you numnuts who don't live in district 1 of SC can refuse to vote for him.


How about that, that will punish him.

Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 11:27 AM (53z96)

182 Drew's quite clearly referring to governor on that one. He specifically notes that being one of 435 isn't as important


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Trsblke - you are right, should have read that closer. I'm still not sold on the dereliction of duty argument because it seems to me that someone knew where he was and how to reach him, and I'm not sure what emergency could have occurred that would have necessitated his presence.

For me the affair is worse because I do believe that character matters. But that is looking at it in a vacumn. If there is another candidate who would be just as good (or better) on voting, I would have to take that into consideration. If I was a SC voter.

Posted by: SH at February 19, 2013 11:27 AM (gmeXX)

183 Nothing like a candidate with pre-packaged dirt.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at February 19, 2013 11:27 AM (l86i3)

184 Sanford would be a disaster, right up there in the respect-o-meter with Todd Akin.
===========
Exactly.

He'd be a fucking joke, a running punchline.
Nobody on either side of the aisle will have any respect for him.
And nobody on our side from a conservative district can afford to have anything to do with him.

It is of no surprise that Mr. "We need a new tone," Mr. CNN Erick Erickson is on board.

He is not a conservative. He is a politician. Who desperately wants another fix on the pubic teat.

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 19, 2013 11:27 AM (VjL9S)

185 Poor hollowpoint , he's got a yankee chip on his shoulder .
What happened dude , a southerner steal your girl ?

Posted by: awkward davies at February 19, 2013 11:28 AM (USjX1)

186 Sanford will spew red meat rhetoric on social isues and will be forgiven.

Posted by: Know The Ledge at February 19, 2013 11:28 AM (puDKn)

187 Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 19, 2013 11:26 AM (wR+pz)



My understanding was that they did get married. Probably haven't heard anything about it because it is a dead story.........................until now.

Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 11:28 AM (53z96)

188 Yeah, but if he wins we can have another thread full of Sanford/Argentinian hottie romance novels/porn. The first one was epic.

Posted by: joncelli at February 19, 2013 11:28 AM (RD7QR)

189 I know he announced he was engaged. Don't know if
they ever got married. She has been very discreet, no one has laid eyes
on her.


Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 19, 2013 11:26 AM (wR+pz)



So how does that work when he's on the campaign trail?

Posted by: Tami at February 19, 2013 11:28 AM (X6akg)

190 How do you know he is the ONLY one who has ever done that? I seriously doubt that he is.


Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 11:25 AM (53z96)

Yeah, what Vic said. How you know?
Put some ice on that honey.

Posted by: Ole Bill Clinton at February 19, 2013 11:29 AM (wR+pz)

191 Sanford didn't resign as governor, and he was term limited from running again...I know people are trying to make a dumb point about St. Sarah, but lets have some facts.

Posted by: BSR at February 19, 2013 11:29 AM (CBCxo)

192 Well, he got the coveted Joe Scarborough endorsement yesterday.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 19, 2013 11:29 AM (UOM48)

193
"You can forgive a man his sins but you don't have to validate him or his choices with election to the House of Representatives. "
This.

Posted by: Andrew at February 19, 2013 11:29 AM (HS3dy)

194 Well, he got the coveted Joe Scarborough endorsement yesterday.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 19, 2013 11:29 AM (UOM4

That speaks a book.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at February 19, 2013 11:30 AM (l86i3)

195
171 -

If all Weiner had done was send that picture, he'd be a serious contender for the Dem nomination in '16 right now. There was more to it than that. Just as there was more to Clinton than "lying about sex."

Posted by: BurtTC at February 19, 2013 11:30 AM (TOk1P)

196 Do you really think it's okay for the Governor of a state to take off to another country and keep it a secret?

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Yes, I do. Because to think otherwise is to grant more importance to the power of the govenor than it deserves. Now that is simply asking the question just as you posed it. It depends on the reason why you take off too.

If he had left with his wife for a romantic vacation in Argentina would people care so much?Or is it just because he left for a fling?

I submit the reason why he left matters much more than the fact that he left.

Posted by: SH at February 19, 2013 11:31 AM (gmeXX)

197 Via the pool report:

AF1 wheels down Andrews at 7:45pm. POTUS came back to have a 10-minute off the record talk with pool at the end of the flight.

Reggie Love departed AF1 soon after POTUS, apparently a guest for the weekend.

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 19, 2013 11:31 AM (8sCoq)

198 "What I have ZERO interest in rewarding or forgiving is a gross dereliction of public duty.
Sanford wasn't some one in 435 member of the House when he had his
personal crisis, he was the chief executive of a state. For better or
worse, that's a 24/7/365 on call thing. You can't simply disappear and
render yourself unavailable. That type of behavior permanently
disqualifies from holing any office of public trust again. End of story."

While I agree that the voters in the 1st should vote for some other candidate. The above quote greatly mis-characterizes the duties and power of a Governor in South Carolina. This is a state run by the legislature and the Governor is mostly a figurehead. If Sanford had a real job he would not have had time for this dalliance.

Posted by: tmitsss at February 19, 2013 11:31 AM (rdav6)

199 Wind and The Lion in HD starting on TCM now.

Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 11:31 AM (53z96)

200 Also OT but interesting from the sidebar is the bit on Moon rocks. Ultimately the article falls flat because the author doesn't understand the subject, but it does underscore how little we understand about the universe around us, even for celestial bodies right in our own neighborhood.

At this point they should probably stop claiming to understand how the Moon came to be there because it's clear they don't really know. There are orbital, density and age calculation issues in all of the major theories, and even the overwhelmingly dominant theory (that it was formed from the same swirling orbital materials that created the Earth at round the same time) doesn't seem to "hold water" as it were, because samples of lunar dust and other Moon rocks suggest the two bodies are composed of very different materials. The Moon's battle-scarred physical appearance also seems to defy that theory, as do age tests on some of the rocks brought back by NASA (some of which suggest the Moon may be as much a billion years older than the Earth).

It's really OK to say, "we just don't know but here's a few possibilities."

Posted by: Blacksheep at February 19, 2013 11:32 AM (8/DeP)

201 "Seriously, you're defending this? Really? You think this is acceptable conduct by a sitting Governor? I do not. You do. Fine. We will never ever ever ever ever agree on this."

Yes, I'm defending him. Who he's fucking has no bearing on how he governs. Being in Argentina is just like being in the next state - your cell phone still rings there just as easily.

We've got to stop filleting our own for things that will never change. People ask why we don't have candidates stacked up to choose from, well, this is the answer.

Ted Kennedy fucked everything that walked andhe even got one killed in the process. I'm certain that there are plans for a bronze statue of him in the works. Of course, I'd rather not sink to the level of democrats, but we've got to accept that some of our people are human.

Posted by: jwest at February 19, 2013 11:32 AM (ZDsRL)

202 >>>Sanford is right that people make mistakes and forgiveness is a noble thing.

Your buddy wrecks your car. You can forgive him AND not loan him your car ever again.

"A new television ad for Sanford has him appealing to voters and a 'God of second chances'"

When were we given our second crack at innocence in the garden again? How about the 42 kids torn apart by bears for insulting a prophet? What about the 70 God killed for looking inside the Ark? Too OT for you? Old vengeful God not that way anymore? New rules after Christ? What about Ananias and Sapphira? Where was their second chance? Don't confuse an infinite capacity to forgive with an infinite capacity to excuse asshole.


Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 19, 2013 11:32 AM (0q2P7)

203 Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 19, 2013 11:18 AM (wR+pz)

I don't think it's that cut and dry no.

Here's the problem though. I don't control the purse strings of why my job sends me (which is no where). The Governor does.
So yes, in that case there is (by necessity I might add) a higher duty to ensure that the trips are legitimate, and more business than pleasure.

I'm reminded of my old department chair's comment to me once. "Well if you get to demand the school send you to this conference, why wouldn't all the planners make sure it's in the Caribbean." (FWIW it was a conference of American Department Chairs, wouldn't somewhere like Chicago made more fiscal sense?!)

So we'd have to dig down to the bottom of this. Was the trip really necessary in the first place or was it just cover? Could it have been done a different way? If the trip was a legitimate trip in the first place, then it probably matters less, but I'm not certain it was. I'm thinking getting to Argentina was first on his mind, doing business was second. And that's bad.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 19, 2013 11:32 AM (kLNMp)

204 It is possible to find electable, capableleaders who are not immoral, faithlessassholes.

Then the question is moot. The better candidate will appear. Any minute now ...

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 19, 2013 11:32 AM (evdj2)

205 As I will be voting in that next election. I'm not looking for a puritan. But goodness gracious, really? There is no one else? This is as establishment as establishment comes. All he needs is a, O'connel endorsement.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at February 19, 2013 11:32 AM (l86i3)

206 You can forgive someone but still have bad judgement
with what you do after you forgive them. I have less respect and
question the judgement of people who allow someone who betrayed them
back in their lives. I am not judging them for the act of forgiving
them
.

Posted by: polynikes at February 19, 2013 11:26 AM (m2CN7)

You can't have it both ways.

Either you accept his decision and move on or do as you say still question his judgement. You haven't forgiven him and yes you are judging them for his act of forgiven her. You just said so.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 19, 2013 11:32 AM (wR+pz)

207 How do you know he is the ONLY one who has ever done that? I seriously doubt that he is.
Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 11:25 AM (53z96)


Whether or not he is isn't really the point. The fact that his extracurricular activities made headlines are what set him apart. His history is a known quantity, not speculation. If others are found to have done similar things, I'd want them bounced, too.

If the taxpayers are paying your salary, then they're owed transparency about your movements. If he'd just taken a vacation to Argentina (on his own dime, btw), fine! No one begrudges an elected official their chance to unwind (except Bammy the Asshat who never met a vacation he didn't like). But he didn't take a vacation. He just disappeared into the Argentinian landscape. IMO, that's gross dereliction of duty.

You're in SoCa, Vic, so I know that you're going to be among those voting for or against Sanford. Whether you agree with our criticisms or not, I hope you understand that we're just trying to make sense of the situation, which is frankly baffling to many of us. In the end it's your call, and we'll respect whatever South Carolina decides to do.

Well, I will. Others' MMV.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 19, 2013 11:32 AM (4df7R)

208 Junk, Herbie. J U N K. You know, that stuff you like to suck on.

Posted by: Libtardo at February 19, 2013 11:32 AM (ic+2p)

209
eh, the repubs still have the house for the next two years, this one seat doesn't matter til the next election.

* and by repubs I mean democrats - lite.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 19, 2013 11:33 AM (p/cQy)

210 >>>And why should we punish our guys when caught with their zippers down when the Dems never even get a press report on it?

Maybe because we're the party (and political philosophy) that argues that Character Counts when it comes to elected servants. But hey, if you want to chuck all that shit out the window and just say "fuck it, I WANT POWER" then go ahead.

But don't pretend you're doing anything other than that. And also realize that you've forfeited your right to criticize others for the same sort of scumbag behavior.

Posted by: Jeff B. at February 19, 2013 11:33 AM (IykOf)

211 197
Via the pool report:

AF1 wheels down Andrews at 7:45pm. POTUS came back to have a 10-minute off the record talk with pool at the end of the flight.

Reggie Love departed AF1 soon after POTUS, apparently a guest for the weekend.




Hope they got some cuddle time in before Mooch and the girls returned.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 19, 2013 11:33 AM (UOM48)

212 Extreme resistance to governmental taxation and authority is derived, according to Freud’s theory of anal characterology, from premature and harshly coercive toilet training, in which a child is forced unfairly and against its will to surrender the products of his eliminations (which represent money, among other things, in the unconscious) to parental authority. Among these individuals anal eroticism plays a significant role in the psychogenesis of paranoia and conspiracy theorizing, which may represent a defense mechanism erected against repressed fears of passive submission.
PMID: 21553677
[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Posted by: Keith Olbermann at February 19, 2013 11:34 AM (e8kgV)

213 199
Wind and The Lion in HD starting on TCM now.


Good call, is it cold and raining down there too?

Charlotte sucks in the winter. 34 degrees and rain.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 19, 2013 11:34 AM (wR+pz)

214 Are Republicans And Conservatives Really Going To Embrace Mark Sanford?


Does it matter, its glaringly apparent the GOP picks its own candidates. The primaries are for show.


LIB.

Posted by: cajun carrot at February 19, 2013 11:34 AM (UZQM8)

215 all I'm gonna say is I was hoping for Sanford VS Sanford in the primary, looks like I won't get to see that

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, El Patron at February 19, 2013 11:34 AM (yAor6)

216 The latest storm on the Weather Channel is referred to simply as "Q"

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 19, 2013 11:35 AM (8sCoq)

217 He's even a bigger dummy than his brother Lamont!

Posted by: Fred Sanford at February 19, 2013 11:35 AM (MMC8r)

218 I don't care what the guy did ad long as he votes correctly. Can't beat 'em, join 'em.

Posted by: Libtardo at February 19, 2013 11:35 AM (ic+2p)

219 "people make mistakes "

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Often many times and in different positions.

In other news, Chris Christie says he agrees with Mario Cuomo 98% of the time. Linked on Hot Air. My wife and I agree maybe seventy-five per cent of the time.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 19, 2013 11:36 AM (Hx5uv)

220 Maybe we could all pitch in and buy this smart military blog a spellchecker. And a grammar checker. And a new user interface.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at February 19, 2013 11:36 AM (zpqa2)

221 You're in SoCa, Vic, so I know that you're going to be among those voting for or against Sanford.


I am not in district 1 so I can not vote for or against. That is the same for at least 99.9% of the people here this morning.

Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 11:37 AM (53z96)

222 Extreme resistance to governmental taxation and authority is derived, according to Freud’s theory of anal characterology, from premature and harshly coercive toilet training, in which a child is forced unfairly and against its will to surrender the products of his eliminations (which represent money, among other things, in the unconscious) to parental authority. Among these individuals anal eroticism plays a significant role in the psychogenesis of paranoia and conspiracy theorizing, which may represent a defense mechanism erected against repressed fears of passive submission.
PMID: 21553677
[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


*rolling eyes*

No wonder the left has no regard for fiscal matters. They equate shit with money in their unconcious. So turning our money to shit means nothing to them.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 19, 2013 11:37 AM (4df7R)

223 Oh and Robert E. "Teddy" Turner IV is a Citadel grad and a conservative guy. But just remember after they let those Citadel students have live ammo in 1861 they set it motion a chain of events that ultimately ended with a Federal Income Tax

Posted by: tmitsss at February 19, 2013 11:37 AM (rdav6)

224 And also realize that you've forfeited your right to criticize others for the same sort of scumbag behavior.

because the dems forfeited that right.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 19, 2013 11:37 AM (p/cQy)

225 You can't have it both ways. Either you accept his decision and move on or do as you say still question his judgement. You haven't forgiven him and yes you are judging them for his act of forgiven her. You just said so.
Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 19, 2013 11:32 AM (wR+pz)

No I am judging him for taking her back, not forgiving her for her betrayals. Those are two different things.

Posted by: polynikes at February 19, 2013 11:37 AM (m2CN7)

226 Never caught in bed with adead girl or a live boy, so he's OK by me.

Posted by: Edwin Edwards at February 19, 2013 11:38 AM (NBzGQ)

227 Poor hollowpoint , he's got a yankee chip on his shoulder .

What happened dude , a southerner steal your girl ?


No, but I can understand the difficulty they might have in SC finding eligible women with a positive tooth:tattoo ratio.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 19, 2013 11:38 AM (SY2Kh)

228 So we'd have to dig down to the bottom of this. Was
the trip really necessary in the first place or was it just cover? Could
it have been done a different way? If the trip was a legitimate trip in
the first place, then it probably matters less, but I'm not certain it
was. I'm thinking getting to Argentina was first on his mind, doing
business was second. And that's bad.




Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 19, 2013 11:32 AM (kLNMp)
Don't disagree with any of that, except he met her down there. He couldn't have planned the trip to see her, he didn't know her when the trip was planned.I know the guy that planned the trip.

Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 19, 2013 11:38 AM (wR+pz)

229 Well, have to turn off Wind and The Lion. They are cutting parts.

Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 11:38 AM (53z96)

230
211 -

What if they got in cuddle time AFTER michelle returned???

EEEEEWWWWW!!!

Posted by: BurtTC at February 19, 2013 11:38 AM (TOk1P)

231 181
I have an idea. All you numnuts who don't live in district 1 of SC can refuse to vote for him.


How about that, that will punish him.


Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 11:27 AM (53z96)


WT?.....unless you're in SC, district 1, you can't comment on the post?

Posted by: Tami at February 19, 2013 11:38 AM (X6akg)

232 My dear friends, we have nothing to fear from the re-enactment of LBJ's Great Society policies.

Posted by: The New GOP at February 19, 2013 11:38 AM (zpqa2)

233 221

Except me!

Posted by: David at February 19, 2013 11:39 AM (iqtXM)

234 226 Never caught in bed with adead girl or a live boy, so he's OK by me.


Hmmm...the dead girl thing worked out OK for me, career-wise. MSNBC doesn't seem to care, as long as I bash "my" side every day.

Posted by: JoeScarborough at February 19, 2013 11:39 AM (7ObY1)

235 "Faust" is a good story.

Posted by: navybrat at February 19, 2013 11:39 AM (7zvJ4)

236 Extreme resistance to governmental taxation and authority is derived, according to Freud’s theory of anal characterology, from premature and harshly coercive toilet training, in which a child is forced unfairly and against its will to surrender the products of his eliminations (which represent money, among other things, in the unconscious) to parental authority. Among these individuals anal eroticism plays a significant role in the psychogenesis of paranoia and conspiracy theorizing, which may represent a defense mechanism erected against repressed fears of passive submission.

Project much, PMID? I'm guessing a turd burglar wrote that.

Posted by: Blacksheep at February 19, 2013 11:39 AM (8/DeP)

237 220
Maybe we could all pitch in and buy this smart military blog a spellchecker. And a grammar checker. And a new user interface.


Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at February 19, 2013 11:36 AM (zpqa2)

I thought that came with the premium membership? I wish I could afford one.

Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 19, 2013 11:39 AM (wR+pz)

238 Good call, is it cold and raining down there too?

Charlotte sucks in the winter. 34 degrees and rain.


Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 19, 2013 11:34 AM (wR+pz)

Raining and 50.

Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 11:40 AM (53z96)

239 I find myself in the highly unusual position of being in 100% agreement with Jeff B.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 19, 2013 11:40 AM (klH5X)

240 Here's the deal: character does matter. A man in a public leadership
position who will betray his wife will sell out his friends and screw
over his supporters just as easily.
==========

Yup.

Think of all the lies he told himself to rationalize and justify what he did WHILE he was doing it.

Now: Think of the steel of that mind when there in his office sits the Speaker of the House telling him he is going to vote for this tax and spending increase.

He ain't no fucking reliable vote on ANYTHING!!

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 19, 2013 11:40 AM (VjL9S)

241
Yes, we know that's how it works, but WE DON'T LIKES IT!!! IT'S NOT FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIR!!!!!

***

Like this whole you-have-to-work-or-they-don't-give-you-money thing. Daddy Obama is trying to fix that.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 19, 2013 11:40 AM (Hx5uv)

242 Don't disagree with any of that, except he met her down there. He couldn't have planned the trip to see her, he didn't know her when the trip was planned.I know the guy that planned the trip.

Uh, I seem to recall Sanford admitting that he had known her for 8 years and had been having the affair for 1 year.

Posted by: rfichoke at February 19, 2013 11:41 AM (ohszX)

243 Anyone who watched the Weiner lies to the press knows there was more to it than just a tweeted pic. Didn't he appear unstable? Didn't he also possibly send it to underage girl(s)? The guy is NASTY (as in mean), and that did not help when the Dems made him resign. The GOP didn't do it, no matter what the troll may think. Didn't he also mistreat and/or lie about Andrew Breitbrt?

Posted by: Baldy at February 19, 2013 11:41 AM (opS9C)

244 Hmmm...the dead girl thing worked out OK for me, career-wise. MSNBC doesn't seem to care, as long as I bash "my" side every day.
Posted by: JoeScarborough at February 19, 2013 11:39 AM (7ObY1)


The dead girl thing was a downright boon to me! Even though I'm a bit toastier now than I'd have liked, being a good Irish Catholic son and pious to the last.

Posted by: Teddy Kennedy, on a glowing bank of coals at February 19, 2013 11:41 AM (4df7R)

245 Why don't we replace the Ten Commandments with just one: Thou shalt not judge? Oh wait, we already have.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 19, 2013 11:41 AM (Hx5uv)

246 Actually, Vic, my wife lives in the district.

She registered to vote at our beach house address.

It's a long story, don't ask.

Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 19, 2013 11:41 AM (wR+pz)

247 "Well, have to turn off Wind and The Lion. They are cutting parts."

WHAT? Selective editing? Which ones, Vic?

Posted by: mrp at February 19, 2013 11:41 AM (HjPtV)

248 Mika: Hmmmmmm?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 19, 2013 11:41 AM (UOM48)

249 OK, on the merits.

Became governor.

Have an affair.

Use power of office to conduct and hide affair.

Resign when scandal hits.

Lie low a couple years, then try to run for Congress.

...the problem here isn't the affair, it's the sense of entitlement.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Keeper of Ampersands and Breitbart Login Spaces at February 19, 2013 11:41 AM (GBXon)

250 He quit?


Posted by: lowandslow at February 19, 2013 11:10 AM (7Nq2G)

Think I got that wrong--my bad!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 19, 2013 11:42 AM (Cnqmv)

251 Posted by: AmishDude at February 19, 2013 10:43 AM(T0NGe)

At least in my case, BurtTC has it exactly right. Akin was a fairly popular representative who had not *yet* done anything particularly stupid and I heard Absolutely. Nothing. from the other two (as in *no* contact whatsoever, not even a mailer and I'm signed up with my county Republican club). When I went to the primary I had to use the i formation at hand. Whether or not ClairBear helped Akin, the other two ran lousy campaigns.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, assault Hobbit at February 19, 2013 11:42 AM (wbeNt)

252 If anyone actually cares I'm sure his primary opponents would love donations

Posted by: BSR at February 19, 2013 11:43 AM (CBCxo)

253 249

Again, didn't resign. He served out his term.

Posted by: David at February 19, 2013 11:43 AM (iqtXM)

254 Uh, I seem to recall Sanford admitting that he had known her for 8 years and had been having the affair for 1 year.

Posted by: rfichoke at February 19, 2013 11:41 AM (ohszX)

News to me. I know the guy that planned the trip had no clue. He took shit for the trip and was not happy at all.

See if you can find a link to a story.

Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 19, 2013 11:43 AM (wR+pz)

255 I wonder if we might get a Nork post today. I'm tired of bashing each other; I'd far rather bash the tubby piece of shit that calls itself the leader of NoKo. That would be fun.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 19, 2013 11:43 AM (4df7R)

256 Mark Sanford is equivalent to Charlie Crist, as far as I am concerned.

Supporting him means you care about a jersey more than you care about who's wearing it.

It's South Carolina. Don't tell me there aren't alternatives.

Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at February 19, 2013 11:43 AM (m2IdD)

257 He quit?


Posted by: lowandslow at February 19, 2013 11:10 AM (7Nq2G)


No, that was the Pope.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at February 19, 2013 11:44 AM (l86i3)

258 Uh, I seem to recall Sanford admitting that he had known her for 8 years and had been having the affair for 1 year.

Posted by: rfichoke at February 19, 2013 11:41 AM (ohszX)


I don't recall that and I read every salacious story both of the major Dem PR rags here wrote.

Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 11:44 AM (53z96)

259 I don't know. Clinton was awfully popular after tapping it out with Monica, and Sanford's chick is hotter.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at February 19, 2013 11:44 AM (Gkhxf)

260 256

There are, but the race has turned into a name recognition battle between Turner and Sanford. It's a two month campaign with 16 candidates.

All this race about locally is name recognition.

Posted by: David at February 19, 2013 11:44 AM (iqtXM)

261 Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 19, 2013 11:38 AM (wR+pz)

Honestly I don't remember the timeline. Although I'm not sure the affair is necessary to my point. I'd still want to see some justifications for the trip.

I'm sure there are more than a few politicians thinking "it'd be nice to go to [Country X] on a "fact finding mission.""

Just like the medical conferences of old, more work than play. When you're on the tax payers dime, efficiency should be your primary concern, get in, get your task done get out. If free time is scheduled for free-time's sake, it's wasting money.
(FWIW, most business have that idea too. When my wife travels she works 10+ hour days so to make sure they get home as quickly as possible. If she has free time, it's incidental or rarely because there's no way to avoid a weekend with office closures.)

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 19, 2013 11:44 AM (kLNMp)

262 Back in July 2009, I was lucky enough to get an exclusive interview with Mark Sanford for my crapblog, naturalfake.

Please enjoy:

The Love Song of Mark Sanford

I was lucky yesterday to get an exclusive interview with Gov. Mark Sanford.***

NF: Welcome Governor, I expect you’d-

Gov Mark Sanford: I’d just like to say right off the bat that I’m finished talking about my affair.

NF: That’s seems like a wise-

Mark Sanford: No more talking.

My tragic love story can only be expressed by music.

So, I’d like to sing a little song I wrote about my dear, dear, lovely, loving soulmate.

I call it “South Carolina Pie”.

It goes something like this:

A long, long time ago…
I can still remember
How Jen’s pussy used to make me smile.
And I knew if I had my chance
That I could get in other women’s pants
And, Mr Happy might be happy for a while.

But Jenny Sanford made me shiver
If I left her, she would stab my liver.
Bad news – no Argentina;
No more fun for my weinah.

I can’t remember if I cried
When dildoed Maria made me her bride,
But something touched me deep inside
The day my marriage died.

So bye-bye, to Jenny’s sweet pooter pie.
Drove my weinah to Argentina,
Left my state high and dry.
And them good old boys were lookin for me low and high
Singin, “we can’t get hold of this guy.
“we can’t get hold of this guy.”

Do you want to know just how we made love,
With me below and Maria above,
Not like the Bible tells you so?
Do you believe I could put my legs,
Behind my ears and Maria’d throw eggs,
At my purple, puckered, pulsing asshole?

Well, I know that you want to hear what we did
With a turtle, a table, and a billygoat’s kid.
We both used lots of lube.
Man, I dig Maria’s three boobs.

I was a lonely middle-aged horny gov
With a pinkish hard-on that I wanted to shove,
Up the rear of a dear, dear friend I love
The day my marriage died.

I started singin,
Bye-bye, Jenny’s sweet pooter pie.
Drove my weiner to Argentiner,
Left my state high and dry.
And them good old boys were lookin for me low and high
Singin, “we can’t get hold of this guy.
“we can’t get hold of this guy.”

NF: Uhhhh, thank you, Governor.

***This interview might not have occurred and maybe the result of drinking a bottle of absinthe and listening to 70′s rock.


http://tinyurl.com/2et3o7l

Posted by: naturalfake at February 19, 2013 11:44 AM (j2lYi)

263 Sorry... but the key to his forgivness from the voter, and his potential nomination will be simply...

How HAWT was she?

IF she is truly scorchin HOT! Men will go "ok.... we get it"... and even Women will forgive him... (as they did with Bill Clinton on numerous occasions)...

If she is a Hog? Like MONICA LEWINSKY? Men will go... "we question your judgment"... (note, Bill got a away with crap for YEARS with very beautiful women, it was not until Monica that people did not just give him a pass)...

In the grand scheme of things... fidelity is not as important as it was 30 or 40 years ago... (but heck.... look at the Kennedy rumours...).

As to the Deriliction Charge? uh... he's not a F'n General... he's not the Prezzy with the Football... just what (if there are no storms coming, and no Death Sentences looming) can be time critical for a Governor?

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 19, 2013 11:45 AM (lZBBB)

264 ...ok, even if he didn't resign, my point remains.

Sense of entitlement.

The true disqualifier.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Keeper of Ampersands and Breitbart Login Spaces at February 19, 2013 11:45 AM (GBXon)

265 WHAT? Selective editing? Which ones, Vic?


Posted by: mrp at February 19, 2013 11:41 AM (HjPtV)

The sword chopping scenes.

Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 11:45 AM (53z96)

266 Yes, the Dems made Weiner resign. Eric Massa too.

And David Vitter got reelected for his open whoremongering.

Double standard.

Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at February 19, 2013 11:45 AM (rhu8R)

267 Fuck.

Sorry. I didn't mena to bold it.

I'll get in the barrel now.

Posted by: naturalfake at February 19, 2013 11:46 AM (j2lYi)

268 The question is ... CAN HE WIN?
And the answer is ... YES.
He has the name recognition.
Other important questions ...
Is he CONSERVATIVE? YES.
Will he vote CONSERVATIVE? YES
End of story - I don't give a shit what the guy did in his private life. Yeah, it was bad he checked out of the governor's mansion, that's not really a concern anymore now is it.
I want a conservative who is a reliable conservative vote who can win - Mark Sanford's that man.

Posted by: Krulac at February 19, 2013 11:46 AM (8X9tr)

269
Reggie Love departed AF1 soon after POTUS, apparently a guest for the weekend.



Hope they got some cuddle time in before Mooch and the girls returned.
Posted by: Jane D'oh

I guess that explains why no reporters were allowed.

Posted by: moki at February 19, 2013 11:46 AM (wi/sM)

270 osted by: naturalfake at February 19, 2013 11:44 AM (j2lYi)

LMFAO, outstanding. Record it, put it on the tubes, Where the fuck is Teej, he'd do it.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at February 19, 2013 11:46 AM (l86i3)

271 I just think that you have to look at the totality of the circumstances here. I agree with everyone that character counts and should count. But so does voting. And so does electability. I don't know enough about this race to speak on electability.

Now it would seem to me that the GOP would have enough good candidates in SC (and in this district) to be nominate that would be better than Sanford, but not there so don't know. I would not be willing to forfeit this seat just on an affair. But I don't begrudge people who would either.

Posted by: SH at February 19, 2013 11:47 AM (gmeXX)

272 I hope that everyone who believes Sanford is a piece of shit treats their coworkers and relatives who have divorced a spouse the same way.

We wouldn't want to be hypocrits.

Posted by: jwest at February 19, 2013 11:47 AM (ZDsRL)

273 Clarence's density is warping my screen.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 19, 2013 11:47 AM (evdj2)

274
From Wikipedia

six days in June 2009, Gov. Mark Sanfords whereabouts were unknown and there was media coverage of what was described as his disappearance. Subsequently the Governor reappeared and reported that he had been in Argentina with a woman with whom he was having an extramarital affair. He stated that in 2001 he met and became friends with this woman and that they started having a sexual relationship in 2008.

Posted by: polynikes at February 19, 2013 11:48 AM (m2CN7)

275 I swear people,

There is no party apparatus manipulating shit around here in SC-1. Mark Sanford barely has any signs out, but he's still going to win because we have a two month race with 16 candidates where name recognition is more important that pretty much anything else (it's why Teddy Turner has anything close to a shot).

Posted by: David at February 19, 2013 11:49 AM (iqtXM)

276 Does Wiki have a reliable source for that? Because Wiki is the most unreliable source for political news on earth.

Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 11:49 AM (53z96)

277 Wikipedia (links to orig sources no good ) He stated that in 2001 he met and became friends with this woman and that they started having a sexual relationship in 2008 http://tinyurl.com/no5ved

Posted by: Baldy at February 19, 2013 11:49 AM (opS9C)

278 The candidate with the most money is easily Turner, by the way.

Posted by: David at February 19, 2013 11:49 AM (iqtXM)

279 @261

The Sec of Commerce planned the trip. I could try and get you the time line, but remember SC has a lot of foreign investments. They are now the largest tire producing state. The make EVERY BMW X and Z car in the world.

Vic can tell you, the I-85 corridor is wall to wall manufacturing.

Charleston is also becoming a huge port.

They would not go down there without legitimate calls to make and getting side pussy was an extra benefit, not the primary benefit.

Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 19, 2013 11:50 AM (wR+pz)

280 From Wikipedia

Talk about untrustworthy.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 19, 2013 11:50 AM (/kI1Q)

281 Billy Bob, here's a link:

"Sanford Admits Affair"
http://www.thestate.com/2009/06/25/839231/sanford-admits-affair-ive-let.html

Sanford said Wednesday he met the woman -- whom he did not name -- eight years ago...

...What began as a casual friendship grew deeper, largely through e-mail conversations, Sanford said. Despite the distance between them, "It developed into something much more than that."

Sanford said he had seen the woman three times since their relationship became sexual...


Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 19, 2013 11:50 AM (4df7R)

282 O/T Shocker: Axelrod going to work for MSDNC/NBC.

*gasp*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 19, 2013 11:50 AM (UOM48)

283 We wouldn't want to be hypocrits.
Posted by: jwest at February 19, 2013 11:47 AM (ZDsRL)

Actually having an affair after standing up and promising god and your family you would honor your relationship with someone, does indeed kick you out of my BFF pool. You can chase all you want after the divorce, but to bring such shame on your family and children all in service of your dick or vajayjay? Yeah, I classify you as an immoral individual who has lost access to my inner circle.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at February 19, 2013 11:51 AM (l86i3)

284 Does Wiki have a reliable source for that? Because Wiki is the most unreliable source for political news on earth.

***

Have you forgotten the Democratic National Committee?

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 19, 2013 11:51 AM (Hx5uv)

285 O/T Shocker: Axelrod going to work for MSDNC/NBC. *gasp*
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 19, 2013 11:50 AM (UOM4


You mean he's not working for OfA anymore? But, but... who's going to pay our trolls!?

...

Hang on, maybe we'll actually get some DECENT trolls now.

Never mind!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 19, 2013 11:51 AM (4df7R)

286 I was born and raised in South Carolina,hence English is a second language for me. So bear with me here. I know the Low Country pretty good. The good people of that district will probably get somebody like Teddy Turner or that TV comedian's sister for their next representative, there being no difference between Republicans and Democrats anymore. Face it, there will never be another Floyd Spence, L. Mendel Rivers, or their like again. I never had to wonder if those guys loved South Carolina and America. Those days are gone. As evidence, I submit to you exhibit A, James Clyburn.

Posted by: EROWMER at February 19, 2013 11:51 AM (kxlCQ)

287 O/T Shocker: Axelrod going to work for MSDNC/NBC.

In an honest world, this would be considered an in-kind contribution.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 19, 2013 11:52 AM (evdj2)

288
in b4 akinbuckmoudochangleodonnell!

Posted by: soothsayer at February 19, 2013 11:53 AM (+oin+)

289 Published Tuesday, June 30, 2009 at 12:50 pm / Updated at 12:50 pm
A look at SC governor's meetings with mistress
By The Associated Press

(AP) - A timeline of South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford's meetings with his Argentine mistress, Maria Belen Chapur:

- 2001: Sanford and Chapur met in 2001 at an open air dance spot in Punta del Este, Uruguay. Sanford says they talked late into the night and he counseled Chapur about her failing marriage, but they were still just friends. They struck up an e-mail correspondence. http://tinyurl.com/aoqtwx2

Posted by: Baldy at February 19, 2013 11:53 AM (opS9C)

290 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 19, 2013 11:50 AM (4df7R)

yes but is Mark Sanford a trustworthy news source?

Posted by: polynikes at February 19, 2013 11:53 AM (m2CN7)

291 O/T Shocker: Axelrod going to work for MSDNC/NBC.

I just wonder who is paying who.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at February 19, 2013 11:53 AM (l86i3)

292 There is something very, very wrong with a man who cannot fathom a life outside of politics or worse, cannot sustain himself in any other manner.

When FNC gave him air time they opened the door to this shit by giving him a sort of false legitiimization.

It is a sickness, a narcissism, that runs rampant in D.C. and I say that having an 'R' by the name is not worth sending one more sick bastard to D.C. to wallow in the slop.

Thank God I am not in a position to have to vote for this clown.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 19, 2013 11:53 AM (piMMO)

293
Come on people, the person who will win this is the person the Republican establishment says will win it. No one else.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 19, 2013 11:53 AM (p/cQy)

294 Supposedly there are 16 other candidates. (Only source I can find for that with limited time is Jen Rubin.)

And the idea that there is no one else is belied by the crowded field of fiscal conservatives, none of whom took public funds in office and lied about it. The conservative FreedomWorks hosted an event with some 16 GOP contenders on Saturday.

The South Carolina electorate will have to decide. Hopefully this doesn't turn into a national intramural scrum and the South Carolina electorate can be trusted and allowed to make the right choice as to who they want to represent them.

Posted by: tasker at February 19, 2013 11:53 AM (r2PLg)

295
272 I hope that everyone who believes Sanford is a piece of shit treats their coworkers and relatives who have divorced a spouse the same way.

We wouldn't want to be hypocrits.
Posted by: jwest

If our coworkers and relatives are running for office on a "family/conservative" platform, I am fairly confident we would rip them new assholes. This fellow is asking the electorate to trust him, when he demonstrated untrustworthy behavior as governor (I'm not going to reiterate what Drew M. stated vis a vis using government funds for travel/disappearing for a week)

And knowing morons and moronettes, I think we probably would have strongly worded letters for family members who cheated.

Posted by: moki at February 19, 2013 11:54 AM (wi/sM)

296 Have you forgotten the Democratic National Committee?


Posted by: WalrusRex at February 19, 2013 11:51 AM (Hx5uv)

That's a tossup, flip a coin.

Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 11:54 AM (53z96)

297 The South Carolina electorate will have to decide. Hopefully this doesn't turn into a national intramural scrum and the South Carolina electorate can be trusted and allowed to make the right choice as to who they want to represent them.
Posted by: tasker at February 19, 2013 11:53 AM (r2PLg)


Seeing where the out of state money comes from will tell the tale.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at February 19, 2013 11:54 AM (l86i3)

298 It wasnt a dead girl or a live boy.

If we can have a president who hates america, sold cocaine and snorted it copiously, and have a penchant for receiving fellatio from older men lies about everything and is pretty much a cocksucking piece of shit mother fucker who is a useless self aggrandizing gasbag hell bent on fucking everything and everyone over for his own persoanl dellusions of self worth, fuck it why not sanford?

I mean really....who gives a shit anymore?

Is it possible for us to support anyone with a shittier character than fake ters for the children obama?

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright's Sock Puppet at February 19, 2013 11:55 AM (+OTLF)

299 Sorry, not buying this line of crap. The lib trolls will trash anybody, for anything. So their howls don't matter. Moreover, I do not accept the "he cheated!" Line from anybody who voted for Gongrich, or Clinton, or Edwards, or who admires JFK, or FDR... need I go on? Do I wish he had not made this terrible decision? Of course. Would he be a better candidate were he squeaky clean? Sure. But I just voted for the cleanest guy to ever run, and he got waxed by a guy running on 40 straight months of 8% unemployment.

Sanford was the BEST congressman we ever had, period. He was the #1 fiscal conservative in the whole congress. And he was warning of the spending crisis we have today literally 20 years ago. Forgive me if I am unwilling to send another good-natured good ol' boy up to DC in the middle of the current crisis.

Posted by: Coach Sal at February 19, 2013 11:55 AM (B5kUD)

300 O/T Shocker: Axelrod going to work for MSDNC/NBC.

I just wonder who is paying who.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at February 19, 2013 11:53 AM (l86i3)

__________________

Wait --he isn't working for Obama anymore?

I missed that.

Who the hell runs that place?

Posted by: tasker at February 19, 2013 11:55 AM (r2PLg)

301 Old Sailor Poet: I loaned my dead tree edition of your book to my eighty-eight year old mother. I don't know exaclty what she's talking about because I'm only about a quarter of the way through (I read it only while on the elliptical at the gym) but my mother was horrified that anyone would write that stuff. She suggested that I have no further contact with you at all. Let this be a warning to all morons.

The only thing I know is that part where Carla Jo tells Amy about menstruation was enough to put me off my feed.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 19, 2013 11:56 AM (Hx5uv)

302
When you're on the tax payers dime, efficiency should be your primary concern, get in, get your task done get out. If free time is scheduled for free-time's sake, it's wasting money.

Let me know when you find out which country's congress functions like that and you can replace ours.

Otherwise it amounts to a so-con purity test.Might as well bitch he won't support a gold standard so he's unacceptable. The rest of this is a foil - the only real issue the infidelity. Like any of you are frothing to get anyone who takes 'fact-finding' expiditions to Tahiti barred from office. Every asshole in government does this routinely. You only give a shit when they're cheating.

Posted by: Entropy at February 19, 2013 11:56 AM (TULs6)

303 "Mark Sanford barely has any signs out, but he's still going to win
because we have a two month race with 16 candidates where name
recognition is more important that pretty much anything else"

Well, that name recognition thing cuts both ways ...

Do SC primaries have a 50%+1 threshold requirement, or just a plurality for a win?

Posted by: mrp at February 19, 2013 11:56 AM (HjPtV)

304 And David Vitter got reelected for his open whoremongering.

Double standard.


Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at February 19, 2013 11:45 AM (rhu8R)


Well, it was Louisiana!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 19, 2013 11:56 AM (Cnqmv)

305
272 -

You want your co-workers to live by the same standards as your Congresscritters?

What, do you work in a brothel?

Posted by: BurtTC at February 19, 2013 11:56 AM (TOk1P)

306 News to me. I know the guy that planned the trip had no clue. He took shit for the trip and was not happy at all.

See if you can find a link to a story.


Here's one of the articles: http://tinyurl.com/b62rwqj

Most of the information here came from his press conference, I believe. The article includes Sanford's confession that nobody knew where he was and that he had lied to his staff about it.

I'm not attacking the guy here, BTW. I liked him as Governor and hoped he would run for President in 2012. I just can't trust him with power after this.

Posted by: rfichoke at February 19, 2013 11:57 AM (ohszX)

307 And knowing morons and moronettes, I think we probably would have strongly worded letters for family members who cheated.
Posted by: moki at February 19, 2013 11:54 AM (wi/sM)


Forget letters. Cold shoulders and a communication freeze.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 19, 2013 11:57 AM (4df7R)

308 Seeing where the out of state money comes from will tell the tale.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at February 19, 2013 11:54 AM (l86i3)

_________________

Good point, that will be interesting.

I just really have a hard time believing South Carolina residents will vote for him--they'll figure it out.

Posted by: tasker at February 19, 2013 11:57 AM (r2PLg)

309 I hope that everyone who believes Sanford is a piece of shit treats
their coworkers and relatives who have divorced a spouse the same way.


Deal. If someone doesn't show up for work for four days without so much as a phone call because they were too busy banging some Argentinian poon behind his wife's back, I'm totally cool with not hiring them back again.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 19, 2013 11:57 AM (SY2Kh)

310 The only thing I know is that part where Carla Jo tells Amy about menstruation was enough to put me off my feed.
Posted by: WalrusRex at February 19, 2013 11:56 AM (Hx5uv)

LOL, sorry.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at February 19, 2013 11:57 AM (l86i3)

311 Posted by: WalrusRex at February 19, 2013 11:56 AM (Hx5uv)


I hope that is a joke?????

Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 11:57 AM (53z96)

312 No, but I can understand the difficulty they might have in SC finding eligible women with a positive tooth:tattoo ratio.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 19, 2013 11:38 AM (SY2Kh)


Spending too much time in the Waffle House, man, get out more.

Posted by: blaster at February 19, 2013 11:58 AM (pZDxu)

313 @281

Thanks. I think The State is confusing the stories.

First, the "secret trip" was after the official trip. He went alone.

Second, note The State says simply he met her eight years ago.

Not where or how.

I do remember that tid bit now, but dismissed it. I don't think he was screwing her for eight years, which is what the article implies.

Remember she had a live in boy friend who got mad when the story broke?

Email romances are not illegal. Remember the boy friend and Jenny found the emails and that is how the thing exploded.

All in all, pretty fucking tacky, but no one drowned in his car.

Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 19, 2013 11:58 AM (wR+pz)

314 They would not go down there without legitimate
calls to make and getting side pussy was an extra benefit, not the
primary benefit.


Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 19, 2013 11:50 AM (wR+pz)

Understandable, but if the trip was altered in any way that added cost from what it would have been to set up the "side pussy" then that part is illegitimate.If for example he said "I can't do the last meeting on Tuesday night, push it to Wednesday morning and we'll stay another night." so he could have dinner with his honey, then he's squandered tax payer dollars.
Now if he wraps up his trip, pays out of pocket for a few extra hotel days (and whatever difference in airfare bumping back the flight would create.) I don't give a rats ass.If he scheduled his meetings as efficiently as possible and still ended up with free time, don't really care either.But frankly I'm not sure he wasn't just skimming some free airfare off the top.

His job is to spend tax payer dollars as efficiently as possible. I'm still not convinced he did that. (Furthermore, if he didn't know the chick before hand, how in the heck did he have enough free time to strike up an affair!)

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 19, 2013 11:58 AM (kLNMp)

315 "Actually having an affair after standing up and promising god and your family you would honor your relationship with someone, does indeed kick you out of my BFF pool. "

Hey, I understand. I've been married 33 years, so I'm pro-wife. However, I know that I don't know what goes on in other people's marriages. Even John Edwards got a little of my sympathy when it turned out what a witch Elizabeth Edwards was.

If we're going to maintain a standard of purity on our side, we're going to suffer in the long run. Now, all the other side needs is to find the one moment any of our office holders or potential candidates messed up - even once - and they are out the door.

The best advice for people thinking about getting into conservate politics - Don't Do It.

Posted by: jwest at February 19, 2013 11:58 AM (ZDsRL)

316 Who the hell runs that place?


The kid who sends people to the cornfield.

Posted by: eleven at February 19, 2013 11:59 AM (KXm42)

317 And David Vitter got reelected for his open whoremongering.

I know you guys like to live in the past and bring up a case in which a DC madam released Vitter's name from among her many clients (Really? Just Vitter? Shocker that we didn't see the whole list and only an R's name showed up. Shocker.)

But, of course, he'd resolved this with his wife before his name was released.

At least you could get topical, given the

PEDERAST BOB MENENDEZ D-NJ!!!

Sex with underage girls and Menendez is being DEFENDED!

Hell, JJJr was re-elected in a landslide from a crazy house.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 19, 2013 11:59 AM (T0NGe)

318 Those days are gone. As evidence, I submit to you exhibit A, James Clyburn.


Posted by: EROWMER at February 19, 2013 11:51 AM (kxlCQ)

Apple/Oranges - Clyburn is in a gerrymandered minority majority district.

Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 11:59 AM (53z96)

319 And David Vitter got reelected for his open whoremongering. Double standard.Posted by: Herbert Hymenhopper at February 19, 2013 11:45 AM (rhu8R) This is why I said Vitter was a mistake, diverting from our usual house cleaning. Doucheturds like(rhu8R) bring up this one instance compared to their dozens whereas they had none to bring up previously. The only thing positive is that his voting pisses them off.

Posted by: polynikes at February 19, 2013 12:00 PM (m2CN7)

320 @303

There will be a runoff if no one gets 50%, but it'll probably come down to Turner/Sanford.

Sanford will win that too.

Posted by: David at February 19, 2013 12:00 PM (iqtXM)

321 Thanks, Vic
Thanks, David

Posted by: mrp at February 19, 2013 12:01 PM (HjPtV)

322 Now if he wraps up his trip, pays out of pocket for a few extra hotel days (and whatever difference in airfare bumping back the flight would create.) I don't give a rats ass.If he scheduled his meetings as efficiently as possible and still ended up with free time, don't really care either.But frankly I'm not sure he wasn't just skimming some free airfare off the top.

That's how it's SUPPOSED to work. Heaven knows here in NH if you try to stay in a location for longer than your designated travel time you're on the hook for any expenses you incur, including any difference in airfare between the date you could have returned versus the date you DO return. I'm fairly sure other states have similar rules.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 19, 2013 12:02 PM (4df7R)

323 Let's face it, In McCain runs again many here will support him.

Reason 27, why I left the GOP.

Sanford should have the decency to fade away and die. Have a long quiet life away from the levers of power, and taxpayer funds.

Posted by: nip at February 19, 2013 12:02 PM (11Tdq)

324 307-lol. I was trying to be euphemistic, but obviously failed.

Actually, I think butt stomping, and hide tanning would be more appropriate responses.

Posted by: moki at February 19, 2013 12:02 PM (wi/sM)

325 @314

What I know of the trip he did not spend any extra time there.

Remember she still had a live in boyfriend.

I gather he went over for a nooner or two, that's it.

Must have been mighty good shit, or he was awful horny.

Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 19, 2013 12:03 PM (wR+pz)

326 Actually, I think butt stomping, and hide tanning would be more appropriate responses.
Posted by: moki at February 19, 2013 12:02 PM (wi/sM)


Ooh, boot stomping! Me like!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 19, 2013 12:03 PM (4df7R)

327 Well, it was Louisiana!
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 19, 2013 11:56 AM (Cnqmv)


Laissez le bon ton roulet, bitches...

Posted by: cajun carrot at February 19, 2013 12:03 PM (UZQM8)

328 Tell us how it's done hollowhead .
Let these words roll of your tongue .
Senator Al Franken .

Posted by: awkward davies at February 19, 2013 12:03 PM (USjX1)

329 Appalachian Trail, Argentinian Tail.Easy mistake to make.
Posted by: Washington Nearsider at February 19, 2013 10:35 AM (fwARV)

Sounds like the problem was the "brazilian" trail

Posted by: David Furm at February 19, 2013 12:04 PM (nTgAI)

330
300 -

Same as always: Val Jarrett

The de facto President of the United States.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 19, 2013 12:04 PM (TOk1P)

331 I really liked the first comment here.

http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/brave-new-world/

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 19, 2013 12:04 PM (/kI1Q)

332 The issue with Sanford isn't just that he was a liar and a cheat, it is that he was a STUPID liar and a cheat.
Running off to Argentina, and covering up by saying he was hiking the Appalachian Trail was an easily detectable lie.

The level of intelligence in Congress is low enough without adding this dim bulb to the mix.

Posted by: nerdygirl at February 19, 2013 12:04 PM (tAOpG)

333 Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 19, 2013 12:03 PM (wR+pz)

No he screwed her in 2008. The trip was in 2009.

Posted by: polynikes at February 19, 2013 12:04 PM (m2CN7)

334 Posted by: Entropy at February 19, 2013 11:56 AM (TULs6)

Nah, I'm pretty much anti-waste wherever it comes from.
I'm also not a big fan of candidates suddenly deciding it's time to spend congressional money to go on a "fact finding trip" to Afghanistan to shore up their foreign policy chops for higher office.

Spend campaign money for that shit, since that's all it is.

I also hated the GSA thing, with a fiery passion. There was no affairs there. Just an incredible abuse of money for self benefit disguised as "work." But that's for ascribing something to me that isn't true!

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 19, 2013 12:04 PM (kLNMp)

335 Old vengeful God not that way anymore? New rules after Christ? What about Ananias and Sapphira? Where was their second chance? Don't confuse an infinite capacity to forgive with an infinite capacity to excuse asshole.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 19, 2013 11:32 AM (0q2P7)

'Old vengeful God not that way anymore?' I've heard this argument before and it grates a little hearing/reading it again. It isn't my place (speaking only for myself)to forgive or excuse or apologize for or attempt to explain away acts of God. I remember reading an essay once where the writer, an agnostic, who wrotethat he would like to confront the Christian God with the jawbone of a child who died of starvation and abuse and demand an explanation. Reading the essay, God's response to Job came to mind: Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind: ... "Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?"

Iwouldn't/couldn't presume to act as God's defense attorney. It would, in fact, be a sin for me to try. I will say this though, about Ananias and Sapphira: they had it coming.

Posted by: troyriser at February 19, 2013 12:05 PM (vtiE6)

336 His job is to spend tax payer dollars as efficiently
as possible. I'm still not convinced he did that. (Furthermore, if he
didn't know the chick before hand, how in the heck did he have enough
free time to strike up an affair!)




Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 19, 2013 11:58 AM (kLNMp)

That is a point I have always wondered myself. Like I said, it must be mighty good pussy.

Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 19, 2013 12:05 PM (wR+pz)

337 All of you who are approaching this from a "corruption" type angle are barking up the wrong tree. You can bet your ass that every agency and politician in the State was looking for that.


The RNC bosses here at the time wanted to impeach him (Graham wing) but they could not find anything illegal that he did. Also, his popularity was still high and it would have hurt THEM.


In any case the legal aspects of this were investigate out the kazoo.

Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 12:05 PM (53z96)

338 >>>Thou shalt not judge? Oh wait, we already have.

The proclamation against judgement shouldn't be presumed to apply to all forms of drawing an opinion about someone. Your charge not to judge people is on a personal "is this person a sinner or righteous before God" level. That is not for you to determine. How their personal habits, abilities, knowledge, et al, may affect their suitability for a task that you may set them to, for good or ill, can be evaluated and judged without judging the person per se. It is not to say, "this person is a sinner before the eyes of the LORD and therefore is unworthy of consideration in any matter" this is wrong. "This person is a convicted child molester and therefore would not be a prudent choice for a babysitter" This is okay.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 19, 2013 12:05 PM (0q2P7)

339 This is the difference between the left and right. Leftists can eat puppies and pal around with terrorists but they are still beloved to their voters as long as they vote correctly and hold to the orthodoxy.

The right has to ask itself if it is willing to do the same.

Posted by: Voluble at February 19, 2013 12:06 PM (qYvEa)

340 Ok Sanford, what job do you want? Representative... ok, we need in that position someone who we can trust won't screw over those they promised to serve simply for their own personal benefit.

What are your qualifications? Oh, you screwed over your family for your own personal benefit?

Wonderful, we'll give you a call... I'm sure you'll fit right in claiming to be great while taking bribes, engaging in insider trading, and lining your pocketbook at the expense of the people you're supposed to represent.

And like "the other woman" often does, the GOP stalwarts are saying "sure he's a confessed cheater and liar, but he'd never cheat and lie to ME".

Yeah, you believe that if you like sweetie; but don't come crying to me when you find out he's willing to betray your trust for his own personal benefit. Like he has a record of doing, and everyone knows it...

You'll just be upset when I laugh at you.

Posted by: gekkobear at February 19, 2013 12:06 PM (X0NX1)

341 Posted by: WalrusRex at February 19, 2013 11:56 AM (Hx5uv)


I hope that is a joke?????


Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 11:57 AM (53z96)

My mother really didn't like it and warned me about OSP. I don't know why. Her taste runs to Amish romance novels.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 19, 2013 12:06 PM (Hx5uv)

342 316 Who the hell runs that place?


The kid who sends people to the cornfield.
Posted by: eleven at February 19, 2013 11:59 AM (KXm42)

___________

It's possible.

I know this is racist but I really think Obama is just a false front--the salesman.

Posted by: tasker at February 19, 2013 12:06 PM (r2PLg)

343 Oh, and forgiveness is fine. Forgive him. But we need to have some standards as to the quality of people we have representing us.
This dope doesn't meet the standards.
Of course, neither did Chappaquiddik Ted, or LuvsEmYung Menendez. Or Cigar Clinton.

Posted by: nerdygirl at February 19, 2013 12:06 PM (tAOpG)

344 Mark Sanford starring in an epic journey : The Trail of Twinkies

Posted by: David Furm at February 19, 2013 12:06 PM (nTgAI)

345 Running off to Argentina, and covering up by saying he was hiking the Appalachian Trail was an easily detectable lie.



For the second time, he NEVER said that.

Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 12:07 PM (53z96)

346 My mother really didn't like it and warned me about OSP. I don't know why. Her taste runs to Amish romance novels.
Posted by: WalrusRex at February 19, 2013 12:06 PM (Hx5uv)

Amish Romance Novel? Lmao.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at February 19, 2013 12:07 PM (l86i3)

347 Tell us how it's done hollowhead .

Let these words roll of your tongue .

Senator Al Franken


I'm fully aware of how douchetastic our Senator is.

Which is why I'm not in this thread trying to defend him.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 19, 2013 12:07 PM (SY2Kh)

348 Posted by: moki at February 19, 2013 11:54 AM (wi/sM)


Qustion of me is pretty simple... is it better to have a Fiscal Con, who runs on Fiscal Con stuff, with a Blemish on his personal record...

or....

A Democrat...

I am on the side of the reliable Fiscal Con vote... because his infidelity will not mean anything to me personaly... but his votes in Congress will.

This is a question of can the Social Cons blackball a Fiscal Con... and is in a microcosm, the same issue that split folks with libertarian leanings (not whack jobs, but folks who think our defense is too far out in the world, not here, and want the Government off our backs) from the Republican Party.

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 19, 2013 12:08 PM (lZBBB)

349 I gather he went over for a nooner or two, that's it.

Must have been mighty good shit, or he was awful horny.


Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 19, 2013 12:03 PM (wR+pz

Funny thing about that.My wife's job has a requirement, you have to eat within X miles of your hotel/meeting or you're responsible for the Gas to get to the place Y miles away. It's not just about time it's about resources too.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 19, 2013 12:08 PM (kLNMp)

350 For the second time, he NEVER said that.


Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 12:07 PM (53z96)


But... but... Palin said you cold see Russia from her front Door! I heard it!

Posted by: Low Info Voter at February 19, 2013 12:09 PM (lZBBB)

351 No he screwed her in 2008. The trip was in 2009.

Posted by: polynikes at February 19, 2013 12:04 PM (m2CN7)

Where did you come up with that time line?

If so, he is a lying shit, cause that would mean he fucked my friend by having him make the trip. They are still friends, so I really doubt he was fucking her before they went down there on the official trip.

Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 19, 2013 12:09 PM (wR+pz)

352
337 -

I assume you're saying all this as an argument FOR Sanford, but from where I'm sitting that's the corruption. Moral or ethical or whatever other standard you want to use, it's corrupt. Just because it couldn't be proven to be illegal is NOT a winning argument.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 19, 2013 12:09 PM (TOk1P)

353 Okay just what exactly is an Amish romance novel--

probably involves apple butter.

Posted by: tasker at February 19, 2013 12:11 PM (r2PLg)

354 I assume you're saying all this as an argument FOR
Sanford, but from where I'm sitting that's the corruption. Moral or
ethical or whatever other standard you want to use, it's corrupt. Just
because it couldn't be proven to be illegal is NOT a winning argument.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 19, 2013 12:09 PM (TOk1P)

Did you go to the Hollowpoint school of law? Corruption is illegal.

Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 12:11 PM (53z96)

355 >>>Iwouldn't/couldn't presume to act as God's defense attorney. It would,
in fact, be a sin for me to try. I will say this though, about Ananias
and Sapphira: they had it coming.

Lying before the Holy Spirit they are afforded no "second chance". I brought that up to highlight that God, while he will forgive you for many things, will not always offer you a second chance. I am not by any means criticizing God's actions when he chose to apply retribution rather than mercy. That is certainly NOT for me to do. What I am doing is rebutting Sanford's misconception that being forgiven in the infinite capacity of Christ to forgive, means getting a second chance. Those two things are not equal.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 19, 2013 12:11 PM (0q2P7)

356 I am on the side of the reliable Fiscal Con vote... because his infidelity will not mean anything to me personaly... but his votes in Congress will.
Posted by: Romeo13 at February 19, 2013 12:08 PM (lZBBB)

With Sanford's reputation for reliability and fidelity to those who trust him, I'm sure his votes in Congress will always be something you can count on.

Posted by: troyriser at February 19, 2013 12:12 PM (vtiE6)

357 Amish Romance Novel? Lmao.

"Christian romance" is about two-thirds of the non-sci-fi fiction at my local library, and Amish is a pretty big subset of that.

The plots are all the same, but then every romance novel plot is the same. These just don't have any sex in them.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 19, 2013 12:12 PM (/kI1Q)

358 f you can fuck over your wife and kids, there is pretty much no one left that you can't fuck over.



Posted by: navybrat at February 19, 2013 10:54 AM (7zvJ4)

True dat. And if it has not already been mentioned, a politician in the midst of an affair with a mistress is a security risk, because he may be subject to blackmail.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 19, 2013 12:13 PM (29+x5)

359 Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 19, 2013 12:11 PM (0q2P7)

Sorry, I misunderstood. I thought you were arguing the opposite.

Posted by: troyriser at February 19, 2013 12:13 PM (vtiE6)

360
354 -

No.

You're tap dancing.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 19, 2013 12:13 PM (TOk1P)

361 I'm sure his votes in Congress will always be something you can count on.

Posted by: troyriser at February 19, 2013 12:12 PM (vtiE6)

Actually you could. His record was actually better than Haley's has been for shutting down the converted Democrats in the legislature with vetoes.

Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 12:13 PM (53z96)

362 You're tap dancing.



Posted by: BurtTC at February 19, 2013 12:13 PM (TOk1P)

BS, your post made no sense at all.

Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 12:14 PM (53z96)

363 Okay just what exactly is an Amish romance novel--

Girl or widow...community wants her to marry Mr Yoder...but an English guy and/or the "wild" Mr Miller has caught her eye...meaningful looks...she marries Mr. Yoder.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 19, 2013 12:15 PM (/kI1Q)

364 It disappoints me that many on our side just no longer give a fuck.

If it has an 'R' by its name, they'll vote for it.

No standards apply.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 19, 2013 12:15 PM (piMMO)

365 Hollowpoint ,No you won't defend Franken .
Who could ?
You will instead start comments with phrases like , What the hell is wrong with South Carolina , as though being a south carolinian is a form of genetic disorder .
You mad bro' ?

Posted by: awkward davies at February 19, 2013 12:15 PM (USjX1)

366 Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 12:11 PM (53z96)

Meh,
Illegal and wasteful are often two different things.

Like I said, there's nothing illegal with a "Congressional Fact Finding Trip to Afghanistan" solely as a way to boost your election credential (provided you file the right paperwork with the right people)

Doesn't mean I have to agree with it as a good use of money for a cash strapped government.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 19, 2013 12:15 PM (kLNMp)

367 Vic- Is Obama corrupt?

Posted by: nip at February 19, 2013 12:15 PM (11Tdq)

368
362 -

Yes it did. You just don't want to see it. Which is fine. You don't care about corruption, you want to stick with what can be proven in a court of law.

They are not always the same thing.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 19, 2013 12:16 PM (TOk1P)

369 Why don't we replace the Ten Commandments with just one: Thou shalt not judge? Oh wait, we already have.


Posted by: WalrusRex at February 19, 2013 11:41 AM (Hx5uv)


We're asked to judge people every time we go to the polls to vote.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 19, 2013 12:16 PM (klH5X)

370
Okay just what exactly is an Amish romance novel--



probably involves apple butter.

Posted by: tasker at February 19, 2013 12:11 PM (r2PLg)
***

http://preview.tinyurl.com/aew6ofm

They are pretty popular. Ace joked a while back that in order to become a successful writer he's going to write Amish vampire romance novels.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 19, 2013 12:17 PM (Hx5uv)

371 Mark Sanford, you allowed personal indiscretion to interfere with the performance of your official duties. You also acted in a manner which in the absence of overwhelming evidence to the contrary makes me question your judgement. You've also made supporting you a more difficult political task as now your indiscretions must be explained at every corner when they will be used as a bludgeon against your political effectiveness. You aren't Newt Gingrich, you aren't so badass that I'd consider hauling your baggage around because of some other awesome you've got going for you. Your indiscretion, your problem, I politely decline your offer to make it mine.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 19, 2013 12:17 PM (0q2P7)

372 #101 Skandia, this is EXACTLY what that American Thinker article was talking about. This time they are playing the fiscal conservatives.

I cannot believe anyone is thinking Sanford running is a good idea, when we have an electorate who bought the "War on Women" and thought Romney was going to outlaw tampons.

Who in the hell convinced Sanford he should run? This is the first question I would ask. Who is backing him? That is the second question I would ask.

Seriously, although this is one South Carolina congressional district, don't you guys realize that Sanford will become the face of the party? "Irresponsible! Crook! Unfaithful to his wife! Took advantage of an Hispanic!"

He will be on TV all the time explaining and explaining, like Trent Lott. Fiscal conservatism will be lost to the drumbeat of "War on Womeen!"

A REALLY repentant guy would have maybe gone to live in Argentina and helped found a school for poor kids, collecting donations from his wealthy friends. This is not repentance. This is saying enough to get back in the game.

No and no and no! And fiscal conservatives, you can get played as much as the so cons.

Posted by: Miss Marple at February 19, 2013 12:18 PM (GoIUi)

373 Vic- Is Obama corrupt?


Posted by: nip at February 19, 2013 12:15 PM (11Tdq)


His administration is one of the most corrupt in history. And I am certain that if it had the number and amount of investigations that Sandford had over that trip all of them would be in jail, along with a few hundred cronies who have been milking the federal funds.

That is corruption. Cheating on your wife is shitty, it bad, and its a sign that you may not be trustworthy.


But it is NOT corruption.

Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 12:18 PM (53z96)

374 If so, he is a lying shit, cause that would mean he fucked my friend by having him make the trip. They are still friends, so I really doubt he was fucking her before they went down there on the official trip.

You said the official trip was in 2008? If so, your friend's story would make sense. Sanford met her in here in 2001, corresponded with her until late 2008, then began a year long affair before going off the grid.

Anyway, we've pretty much beaten this thing to death. I'll just add another reminder about the Graham thing: please contact me at rfichoke (at) gmail (dot) com if you're here in SC. We have an organized effort and we need people ASAP or there's no chance.

Posted by: rfichoke at February 19, 2013 12:19 PM (ohszX)

375 Miss Marple FTW

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 19, 2013 12:19 PM (klH5X)

376 I shall embrace him as though he was human herpes.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 19, 2013 12:20 PM (uhftQ)

377 Time to kill this thread.

Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 12:20 PM (53z96)

378
Wonderful, we'll give you a call... I'm sure you'll fit right in claiming to be great while taking bribes, engaging in insider trading, and lining your pocketbook at the expense of the people you're supposed to represent.

Did he ever do any of those things??? He was Representative before and Governor. It seems he never did anything like any of that shit.

I am anti-cheating, but there's also a question of context. I had a pastor that had to step down once over cheating. I wouldn't say anyone who ever cheated is automatically become SATAN.

You really think you can judge a person's character by a singular anecdote?

Posted by: Entropy at February 19, 2013 12:20 PM (TULs6)

379 Ace joked a while back that in order to become a successful writer he's going to write Amish vampire romance novels.

LaShawn Barber was writing a Christian vampire novel awhile back...

I never quite figured out how a vampire could be a Christian since they get their eternal life from something other than Christ, but I guess malevolent vampires are sooooo last century.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 19, 2013 12:21 PM (/kI1Q)

380 cor·rup·tion/kəˈrəpSHən/NounDishonest or fraudulent conduct by those in power, typically involving bribery.The action of making someone or something morally depraved or the state of being so.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 19, 2013 12:22 PM (klH5X)

381 Actually you could. His record was actually better than Haley's has been for shutting down the converted Democrats in the legislature with vetoes.
Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2013 12:13 PM (53z96)

Not my state's congressional candidate, so I've got no dog in that hunt. You guys want him, take him. My argument is one of general principles. If you elect a candidate with poor impulse control and other major character defects, there is a greater possibility he or she will make errors in judgement because of those character defects than would be the case with an equally qualified candidate without those character defects. That's the argument.

Posted by: troyriser at February 19, 2013 12:22 PM (vtiE6)

382 Where is the romance with you people?

Sanford wasn't caught underpaying teenage Domincan hookers. Here's a guy who gave his life to public service, tirelessly working in spite of a loveless marriage to an ambitious woman.

Then, one day on a business trip, he meets his soul mate. Although they both try to resist it, true love thrusts them together and they finally give in to destiny.

This is a conservative love story, not a seedy democrat tale of mindless fucking.

You just got the story line from the wrong source.

Posted by: jwest at February 19, 2013 12:23 PM (ZDsRL)

383 370
Okay just what exactly is an Amish romance novel--



probably involves apple butter.

Posted by: tasker at February 19, 2013 12:11 PM (r2PLg)
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http://preview.tinyurl.com/aew6ofm

They are pretty popular. Ace joked a while back that in order to become a successful writer he's going to write Amish vampire romance novels.
Posted by: WalrusRex at February 19, 2013 12:17 PM (Hx5uv)

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It's a real--thing.

Ha!--thanks. Off to go check out the link.

Posted by: tasker at February 19, 2013 12:23 PM (r2PLg)

384 They are pretty popular. Ace joked a while back that in order to become a successful writer he's going to write Amish vampire romance novels.
Posted by: WalrusRex
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And those Amish heaters.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 19, 2013 12:23 PM (uhftQ)

385 Here is the deal: Sanford is running in the primary. He has a good chance of winning it for a number of reasons - name recognition, a strong team and background (he held the seat before), money - that have nothing to do with South Carolina per se - all of these things would be pluses for election regardless of the state.

He might not win it. But if he does, it really doesn't help if people on OUR side have already kneecapped him. Take a look at the list of candidates for the primary, if you have a favorite, then support that candidate. But this "oh Hell no" approach at this stage isn't, umm, helpful.

Posted by: blaster at February 19, 2013 12:26 PM (pZDxu)

386 "345 Running off to Argentina, and covering up by saying he was hiking the Appalachian Trail was an easily detectable lie.
For the second time, he NEVER said that.
Posted by: Vic "

Point taken. But I'm tired of going to bat for politicians who can't be trusted. This is my own personal experience, so perhaps not worth much. But the people I know who are liars and cheats to their spouses, are self-serving liars and cheats in other matters. I've seen it over and over again.

I think a lot of us are getting tired of settling for substandard candidates.

Posted by: nerdygirl at February 19, 2013 12:26 PM (tAOpG)

387 #134 Daniels took his wife back. He also didn't run for national office. Guess why? He didn't want his wife to be dragged through the mud, which was already being hinted at.

This is REALITY. Sanford will be the poster boy for every GOP candidate in 2014, and we might lose the house over this. The dems are nationalizing the congressional elections, in case this has slipped your notice.

Posted by: Miss Marple at February 19, 2013 12:26 PM (GoIUi)

388 People are confusing "foregiveness" with "qualifications for leadership". I think we all can agree that we view members of Congress as elected leaders. (Granted, many do not behave that way.)

Mark Sanford can be forgiven of his moral and leadership failings. He can even be restored to his relationships with friends and family (much humility required to do this). However, he has been disqualified from future leadership based on his past actions. For evangelical Christians, this will be the problem Sanford has going forward.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at February 19, 2013 12:27 PM (pDRpv)

389 His record was actually better than Haley's has been for shutting down the converted Democrats in the legislature with vetoes.

Now, now. There's nothing wrong with a little totalitarian collectivism as long as everyone is sexually pure.

Insist a group of people who devote hours to detailing how they'd "bang" a young actress. Lol.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 19, 2013 12:27 PM (/kI1Q)

390 Where is the romance with you people? Sanford wasn't caught underpaying teenage Domincan hookers. Here's a guy who gave his life to public service, tirelessly working in spite of a loveless marriage to an ambitious woman. Then, one day on a business trip, he meets his soul mate. Although they both try to resist it, true love thrusts them together and they finally give in to destiny. This is a conservative love story, not a seedy democrat tale of mindless fucking. You just got the story line from the wrong source.
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So what you're saying is he's a selfish lout who cared only about himself. And THIS is what the people of SC want in their Congressional Representative? So where is the line of unacceptable behavior?

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at February 19, 2013 12:32 PM (pDRpv)

391
So what you're saying is he's a selfish lout who cared only about himself.

The sad thing is you think some or all of the 16 assholes running aren't.

Posted by: Entropy at February 19, 2013 12:34 PM (TULs6)

392 So where is the line of unacceptable behavior?
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at February 19, 2013 12:32 PM (pDRpv)

I would say the Capital mens room during a break.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at February 19, 2013 12:35 PM (l86i3)

393 Erick Erickson is an idiot. Worse than being an idiot, he is the epitome of everything liberals hate about conservatives and everything conservatives hate about Republicans. He's a squishy RINO who spouts Bible quotes when he thinks he needs to. It's bizarre that any true conservative takes this guy seriously. He's basically David Frum with a Bible near his computer.

Posted by: Jaynie59 at February 19, 2013 12:39 PM (4zKCA)

394 I have read two Amish romance novels; There were o.k but hardly stellar novels. Christian romance novels have been popular for a long time. Attractive people dealing with questions of faith without having to wade through sex scenes-the most that ever happened in either of the ones I read were that people kissed an appeal and when you add to that the interest that many people seem to have in the Amish it's a winning combination. I would be more cheered to know that actual hard working Amish people wrote the novels, but I doubt they have.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 19, 2013 12:40 PM (PxYrx)

395 You will instead start comments with phrases like , What the hell is
wrong with South Carolina , as though being a south carolinian is a form
of genetic disorder.


Fine- set me straight. If not a genetic disorder, why is South Carolina so fucked up? There's no denying that SC politics- including within the GOP- are completely bizarre.

I haven't ruled out the genetic disorder theory though.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 19, 2013 12:40 PM (SY2Kh)

396 Time to kill this thread.


Isn't this the 11:00 to 2:00 thread?

It's only a baby.

Posted by: eleven at February 19, 2013 12:42 PM (KXm42)

397 Wait, does he have a new "Hot Latrina Wife" now?
That would help us get the Hispanic Vote!

Posted by: Paladin at February 19, 2013 12:46 PM (4kpbt)

398 @391 I'm not saying that. The question here is not the others and their qualifications - the question here is Sanford's.Quite frankly, if none of them are qualified, then they should expect to lose support and probably the seat.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at February 19, 2013 12:49 PM (EGPJQ)

399 I would say the Capital mens room during a break.
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Or the men's roomat the MSP airport.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at February 19, 2013 12:50 PM (EGPJQ)

400 If you want quality Amish Romance, forget the books: go watch Witness (1980's)

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at February 19, 2013 12:52 PM (EGPJQ)

401 The Vampire/Werewolf romance themes are pretty played out. I suggest Ace go with a zombie romance theme.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 19, 2013 12:53 PM (PxYrx)

402
The question here is not the others and their qualifications - the question here is Sanford's.

What the hell kind of silly question is that? They're the alternatives. He's not running to be Emperor of the Vacuum.

Quite frankly, if none of them are qualified, then they should expect to lose support and probably the seat.

And then you'll elect... no one? Is that even an option? I wouldn't be displeased honestly.

Posted by: Entropy at February 19, 2013 12:55 PM (TULs6)

403 "I never quite figured out how a vampire could be a Christian since they
get their eternal life from something other than Christ, but I guess
malevolent vampires are sooooo last century."

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The only way I could see this working was if the vampire used his Christianity to overcome his natural desires, in which case we might be dealing with vamprism as a metaphor for other things that are not compatible with Christianity.

And that's when things get messy.

Posted by: Kensington at February 19, 2013 12:56 PM (/AHDz)

404 Now, now. There's nothing wrong with a little totalitarian collectivism as long as everyone is sexually pure.Insist a group of people who devote hours to detailing how they'd "bang" a young actress. Lol.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 19, 2013 12:27 PM (/kI1Q)

You're arguing a straw man, since no one is making the argument that we submit to collectivism rather than put forward candidates whose personal mores we find reprehensible, followed by a False dilemma, since that it isn't the choice with which we're presented. And that last bit, about 'a group of people detailing how they'd bang a young actress'? That group wouldn't include me. Women my daughter's age, no matter how beautiful or alluring, make me consider the fact they're my daughter's age, whereupon I'm suitably creeped out.

If you're going to make an argument, then make the case without relying on fallacies. You're right no one likes a hypocrite but not all who oppose your view are hypocrites.

Posted by: troyriser at February 19, 2013 12:58 PM (vtiE6)

405 "Insist a group of people who devote hours to detailing how they'd "bang" a young actress. Lol."
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Which young actress? Lena Dunham's not *that* young.

Posted by: Kensington at February 19, 2013 12:59 PM (/AHDz)

406 "Isn't this the 11:00 to 2:00 thread?
It's only a baby."

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KILL THE BABY!!!1!

Posted by: Liberals at February 19, 2013 01:00 PM (/AHDz)

407 I sense an unresolvable divide between us morons over this. Perhaps Drew would like to make a poll.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 19, 2013 01:10 PM (klH5X)

408 As somebody who lived in SC during Sanford's first term (and voted for him) let me throw some stuff out there. Sanford was a real-deal fiscon as governor. He fought the General Assembly every step of the way on the pork-barrel spending they're all into (even the "conservative Republicans"). They HATED him for it. And the voters loved it. Problem is, the executive branch in SC is very, very weak. The legislature runs everything through committees and whatnot. Up until about 40 years ago, the state representatives and senators for a county had more power in that county's day to day affairs than any local official. SC was coming off four years of Democrat governor Jim Hodges (a big zero, basically) and people liked seeing a personable guy up there fighting the "fat cats" to control spending.

And then, Argentina happened. He met Senorita On The Side in his first term on some junket or other, and I guess had some kind of long-distance Internet thang going on for a while. Then in '08 he just couldn't handle it anymore, bolted from Jenny and his four boys ON FATHER'S DAY WEEKEND, and flew down to Argentina for some poon. (Nice timing, dude.) At that point, somebody who had it in for Sanford--maybe the Lieutenant Governor, Andre "Rudolf Hess" Bauer, or one of Sanford's powerful opponents in the Republican side of the legislature--leaked it to the press that Sanford was gone and nobody knew where the hell he was. If that leak hadn't happened, nobody would have even known he was gone, because quite frankly, the Governor's office in SC doesn't do much.

One reporter for The State (the liberal rag in Columbia) did some digging off that leak, added up 2+2, and met Hizzoner at the Columbia airport after he'd come back on his connection from Atlanta. And Sanford went totally deer-in-the-headlights on her because he knew he was busted. He turned his back, and the SC GOP plunged in the daggers. Once that story got out, that's when all hell broke loose.

Posted by: Moose4 at February 19, 2013 01:18 PM (W15Fy)

409 By the way, I'm with the people who think that the adultery disqualifies him (in my mind anyway, not legally) from seeking public office. As my wife, who is by far the smarter of the two of us in this relationship, once put it: "If he can't handle 'love, honor, and cherish,' how am I going to trust him with 'preserve, protect, and defend?'"

Forgiveness is one thing. Public service is another.

Posted by: Moose4 at February 19, 2013 01:22 PM (W15Fy)

410 @402 The question of this thread is Sanford and whether the former Governor should be supported. I say no. Just because he's on a par with a group of others still does not make him qualified IMO. Not being from SC, I have no knowledge of the field of candidates, nor an interest.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at February 19, 2013 01:37 PM (+aaxF)

411 Once we drop the family values plank, we can run these guys and laugh at the Dems when they sputter about hypocrisy...until then, he has to go. (Agree that the problem is the lying about his location.)

God it must be good to be a Dem...known felons and tax cheats all can keep running for office without any opprobium.

Also, when polygamy is finally legalized, Sandford would have just added a wife instead of doing all this evil running around.

Posted by: sexypig at February 19, 2013 01:40 PM (dZQh7)

412 Are the republicians trying to commit Seppuku by removing one toe at a time ?

Posted by: DrDrill at February 19, 2013 01:50 PM (Sd0sV)

413 I think the real issue here is that Jenny Sanford isn't all that good at sucking cock.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 19, 2013 02:22 PM (BuSM8)

414 413
I think the real issue here is that Jenny Sanford isn't all that good at sucking cock.


It is hard to get a girl that rich to suck a dick. Swallowing is out of the question.

Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 19, 2013 02:31 PM (wR+pz)

415 I doubt the voters of the SC 1st pay much attention to idiot Gingrich supporters.

They may remember Sanford as a candidate who promised not to take PAC money and kept his word, who promised to self-limit his terms and kept his word, who promised not to buy a house in DC and kept his word, who said he would fly home on weekends and kept his word, who said he'd be frugal and was the only Representative in his six years to return office expense money to the Treasury, and who retired to his own fortune but was drafted by Republicans to run for Governor and fought tooth and nail against corruption in both parties.

Nah, why would they want someone like that in DC?

But Gingrich - let him bend over every female in his office for ten years in the House, he is not only forgiven, but supported for President after a career of lying and backstabbing conservatives at every opportunity.

Posted by: Adjoran at February 19, 2013 02:53 PM (9uOra)

416

Being an American and all, he has every right to run for office if he wants to.

When did Karl Rove take over this blog, anyhow?

Posted by: J. Moses Browning at February 19, 2013 03:58 PM (Huspf)

417 Moose4 @ 408-
Do you remember Sol Blatt and Edgar Brown? Those two controlled S.C. for years and years, regardless of how was in the Governor's mansion.

Posted by: EROWMER at February 19, 2013 04:06 PM (kxlCQ)

418 It was all a misunderstanding. He didn't say Appalachian trail he said Argentinian tail. Simple mistake.

Posted by: Spange13 at February 19, 2013 05:09 PM (2+FkV)






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