There's Real Danger Lurking In David Frum's Ignorance

Ben and you Morons and Moronettes had good fun with this earlier:


But I want to make a bit of a serious point about it.

With about a 10:1 ratio of guns to people in my house when I was growing up, I learned proper gun safety early on. There are a couple of versions of the standard rules ... the NRA has 3 and Jeff Cooper had 4:

1. All guns are always loaded.

2. Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.

3. Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target.

4. Be sure of your target and what is beyond it.

My dad was always fond of pointing out that a "safety", like you'll find on most guns other than revolvers, is a mechanical device that can fail and is no substitute for these rules, which work in all cases.

Also, these rules are designed to provide layers of safety through redundancy. A gun you didn't think was loaded is less likely to unintentionally discharge and hurt anything other than your pride if it's pointed in a safe direction and less likely still if you keep your finger off the trigger.

And then today, along comes super-genius David Frum, who knows less about guns than the other things he knows nothing about but nevertheless sees fit to lecture on, and advocates for something that is less safe than current best practice engaged in by people who know what they're doing.

Note to Frum: My H&K USP carry gun has a loaded chamber indicator. It's meaningless to me because I always treat the thing like it's loaded anyway.

Frum's charge in the piece he did for CNN that I won't link is, basically, that gun manufacturers are being negligent and this results in needless accidental deaths. So, just at random I went and grabbed a box from a fairly recent gun purchase (a Glock 23 in 2007):

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The outside of the box, inside of the box and manual are littered with warnings about the risk of death or injury from unsafe handling practices. Also, the gun store where I bought it has safety instructions printed on the receipt and you're required to sign a statement that you've read and understand them in order to take possession of the firearm.

Once someone has waded through all this, is one more form of warning really going to do any good?

The part of Frum's CNN piece spawning this ignorant tweet that deals with gun manufacturers can best be described by analogy: He's asking for a pen that doesn't misspell words.

Of course, this is classic Frum trolling of the right and I wouldn't pay much attention to it but for the fact that there are people who may actually mistake him for a serious commentator on the issue. As Jeff Jacoby points out, there is real danger in letting emotion and ignorance override fact and reason when it comes to gun laws.

In 1998, Massachusetts passed what was hailed as the toughest gun-control legislation in the country. Among other stringencies, it banned semiautomatic "assault" weapons, imposed strict new licensing rules, prohibited anyone convicted of a violent crime or drug trafficking from ever carrying or owning a gun, and enacted severe penalties for storing guns unlocked.

"Today, Massachusetts leads the way in cracking down on gun violence," said Republican Governor Paul Cellucci as he signed the bill into law. "It will save lives and help fight crime in our communities." Scott Harshbarger, the state's Democratic attorney general, agreed: "This vote is a victory for common sense and for the protection of our children and our neighborhoods." One of the state's leading anti-gun activists, John Rosenthal of Stop Handgun Violence, joined the applause. "The new gun law," he predicted, "will certainly prevent future gun violence and countless grief."

It didn't.

The 1998 legislation did cut down, quite sharply, on the legal use of guns in Massachusetts. Within four years, the number of active gun licenses in the state had plummeted. "There were nearly 1.5 million active gun licenses in Massachusetts in 1998," the AP reported. "In June [2002], that number was down to just 200,000." The author of the law, state Senator Cheryl Jacques, was pleased that the Bay State's stiff new restrictions had made it possible to "weed out the clutter."

But the law that was so tough on law-abiding gun owners had quite a different impact on criminals.

Since 1998, gun crime in Massachusetts has gotten worse, not better. Instead of "lead[ing] the way in cracking down on gun violence," the state has seen gun violence shoot up. In 2011, Massachusetts recorded 122 murders committed with firearms, the Boston Globe reported this month – "a striking increase from the 65 in 1998." Other crimes rose too. Between 1998 and 2011, robbery with firearms climbed 20.7 percent. Aggravated assaults jumped 26.7 percent.

Read the whole thing.

I can personally attest to how hard Massachusetts makes lawful purchase and possession of firearms. As a matter of fact, they do virtually all of the things Frum suggested in his column, from requiring locked storage at home to promulgation of "approved firearms rosters" defining what guns can and can't be sold here under the guise of consumer safety.

These laws were made by people who know as little about guns as Frum and ignored all the advice of people who know vastly more. That this has failed to produce the intended results should come as no surprise.

Now people with this same mentality are charging forth to "prevent the next Sandy Hook". How do you think that's going to turn out?

Posted by: Andy at 08:00 PM



Comments

1 I hate it when people say "first"

Posted by: weew at February 18, 2013 08:03 PM (ElfHn)

2 i'd guess Frum likely thinks guns should be banned in general. gotta be "civilized" etc. etc.

Posted by: JDP at February 18, 2013 08:07 PM (60GaT)

3 But you see, the guns used in Massachusetts crimes today come from
states that have lax gun laws! You can't stop gun crime in Boston if the criminals get their guns from Texas! So the only real solution is a nationwide
ban! Yeah that's it!

Posted by: How the libs will respond to gun statistics at February 18, 2013 08:07 PM (ElfHn)

4 "Since 1998, gun crime in Massachusetts has gotten worse, not better.
Instead of "lead[ing] the way in cracking down on gun violence," the
state has seen gun violence shoot up. In 2011, Massachusetts recorded
122 murders committed with firearms, the Boston Globe reported this
month – "a striking increase from the 65 in 1998." Other crimes rose
too. Between 1998 and 2011, robbery with firearms climbed 20.7 percent.
Aggravated assaults jumped 26.7 percent."



I think the latest bullshit rationalization for this is that unless all of the states surrounding MA have the exact same gun laws, guns will flow in from those other states to MA, enabling criminals to use them to commit crimes.

Just like every other asinine Leftist scheme from time immemorial, gun control just hasn't been tried on a big enough scale.

Posted by: BS Inc. at February 18, 2013 08:07 PM (5dvn/)

5 the real question though, is has he or one of his co-bloggers trotted out "The Burkean Case for Banning Guns" yet

Posted by: JDP at February 18, 2013 08:08 PM (60GaT)

6 Our kid posted on Facebook that he's sharing a barracks in Thailand with the sniper who smoke-checked the terrorists in S. Thailand. He loves his Thai bros.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 18, 2013 08:08 PM (UOM48)

7 3

Damn, you're quick on the draw.

Posted by: BS Inc. at February 18, 2013 08:08 PM (5dvn/)

8 Don't worry, it's not loaded

Posted by: Terry Kath at February 18, 2013 08:08 PM (bGlsD)

9 He's asking for a pen that doesn't misspell words.


______________

It gets worse than that.

He doesn't want to admit that there are a bunch of illegal pens out there--owned by criminals that want to kill the other gangs of pen owners.

And we wants to blame the butchering of the English language on legal pen owners and pen manufacturers.

Posted by: tasker at February 18, 2013 08:10 PM (r2PLg)

10 I heard a guy on Hannity this afternoon (in the car, don't judge me) who knew TFG in Chicago through school and such.

He met Barry, and TFG said, "You're that gun guy. I don't believe anyone should own a gun."

He offered to meet with Barry over lunch and have a civil discussion, and Barry (this guy's words) "wrinkled his face and turned away from me."

Preezy Skeet my ass.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 18, 2013 08:11 PM (UOM48)

11 >> But you see, the guns used in Massachusetts crimes today come from
states that have lax gun laws!

Read the Jacoby piece. He blows that up.

Posted by: Andy at February 18, 2013 08:11 PM (OZPoa)

12 I'm getting the fried butter gag in early.

Posted by: toby928© pontificates in oracular tones of banality at February 18, 2013 08:11 PM (QupBk)

13 Someone ask David Frum how he will go into Detroit and disarm them?

Posted by: tasker at February 18, 2013 08:12 PM (r2PLg)

14 well he is wary of the downsides of immigration which i believe may make him a fascist by Canadian standards

Posted by: JDP at February 18, 2013 08:12 PM (60GaT)

15 Jane, IIRC that was John Lott.

Posted by: Andy at February 18, 2013 08:12 PM (OZPoa)

16
The .22 is half as strong as the .44

Posted by: David Frum looks in the hole to see if the bullet thingy is in there at February 18, 2013 08:12 PM (UrENZ)

17 Why doesnt every gun automatically indicate whether there's a bullet in the chamber?


Why doesn't every car indicate when there is an idiot behind the wheel.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 18, 2013 08:12 PM (l86i3)

18 hmm Canada comment disappeared

Posted by: JDP at February 18, 2013 08:12 PM (60GaT)

19
What we really need is bullet proof bathroom doors. If they save just one supermodel...

Posted by: Reeva Steenkamp at February 18, 2013 08:15 PM (NFVkx)

20 15
Jane, IIRC that was John Lott.

Posted by: Andy at February 18, 2013 08:12 PM (OZPoa

Thanks, you're right.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 18, 2013 08:16 PM (UOM48)

21 So did the "what was wrong with that" comment

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 18, 2013 08:16 PM (QTHTd)

22 A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

I just thought I'd throw that in there, FWIW.

Posted by: filbert at February 18, 2013 08:16 PM (NaNKB)

23 19

What we really need is bullet proof bathroom doors. If they save just one supermodel...




And ban cricket bats.


And, jeez Louise, Juan Williams is an idiot. Can't be said enough.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 18, 2013 08:17 PM (UOM48)

24 Frum is doing a distraction to a sub argument because all of his arguments lead to a bad conclusion -they strengthen the position of criminals and the criminally minded.

Posted by: tasker at February 18, 2013 08:18 PM (r2PLg)

25 Let's not forget the genius that is David Frum's spawn:

mirandafrum
‏@mirandafrum




I really want a baby cow for a pet.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 18, 2013 08:19 PM (UOM48)

26 Oh yeah. Jean = rockmom = Nukie. I vaguely recall a bannination.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 18, 2013 08:20 PM (QTHTd)

27 If only there were laws against shooting people. And some sort of "safety device" that kept guns from going off. And handy advice on how to handle these things. And WARNINGS. Lots of warnings.


*sigh*


If only.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at February 18, 2013 08:20 PM (GEICT)

28 Why doesn't my phone have a device to beep to warn me when I'm going to lose my temper and say stupid shit that will go viral on the internet?

Posted by: Alec Baldwin at February 18, 2013 08:20 PM (mCvL4)

29 And ban cricket bats.


And, jeez Louise, Juan Williams is an idiot. Can't be said enough.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 18, 2013 08:17 PM



Crickets are living things, too, with feelings and stuff.


And Juan's sons are both Republicans.

Posted by: huerfano at February 18, 2013 08:21 PM (bAGA/)

30 Why doesn't neapolitan ice cream have a device to tell you that someone scooped out all the chocolate?

Posted by: David "Butterfries" Frum at February 18, 2013 08:21 PM (mCvL4)

31
This is my rifle.
This is my gun.
This is for fighting.
This is for teaching school children what a frightened turtle looks like.

Posted by: Favid Drum at February 18, 2013 08:22 PM (i7B17)

32
When we are regulated to just muzzle-loaders like the founders indicated in the constitution, bullets and chambers will be moot issues.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at February 18, 2013 08:22 PM (UrENZ)

33 That Frum fellow is just the kind of common-sense conservative I'd invite to one of my exclusive dinner parties.

Posted by: Sally Quinn at February 18, 2013 08:23 PM (8ZskC)

34 When the SHTF Frum types will be at the gunners door, asking for a safe haven

Posted by: Clemenza at February 18, 2013 08:23 PM (3GuQx)

35 And Juan's sons are both Republicans.


Posted by: huerfano at February 18, 2013 08:21 PM (bAGA/


I know. Makes one scratch one's head.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 18, 2013 08:23 PM (UOM48)

36 Andy out wrote Ace today with this one. We really need to freeze out Frum and his ilk. This man should be struggling to find work.

Posted by: L, elle at February 18, 2013 08:23 PM (0PiQ4)

37 Haven't been here all day, how did I piss off a cob

Posted by: Not Jean at February 18, 2013 08:24 PM (Is+Nb)

38 11 Andy

Good. I obviously didn't read the whole thing but I heard Juan Williams try that same angle (it's the guns from Virginia that are used in DC gun crimes and if you support Virginia gun rights then you don't care about DC crime victims...), and it was audacious enough to derail MKH's otherwise solid argument.

Just because they get slapped for saying it, it won't stop them from saying it... not until it sinks into the Low Information Voters' heads.

Posted by: How the libs will respond to gun statistics at February 18, 2013 08:24 PM (ElfHn)

39 just staying within the confines of FrumWorld and taking the question as having merit.

Why wouldn't you have a "Bullet Loaded"indicator on the gun?

Because you might want the person attacking you to stop when you point the gun at them.

That's more likely to happen should the gun not indicate "Hey! I'm Just a Highly Efficient Walnut Cracker" if there is not a round in the chamber.

_

Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 18, 2013 08:24 PM (J8DGo)

40 I'm getting the fried butter gag in early.

Posted by: toby928© pontificates in oracular tones of banality at February 18, 2013 08:11 PM (QupBk)
My work is done; unless that ambulatory colostomy bag, Keating Coxwipe, shows up without another snotty yet clueless post supporting fat fuck.


Posted by: Captain Hate at February 18, 2013 08:24 PM (rUeB3)

41 My head has always been a Gun Fact-Free Zone.

Posted by: David Frum at February 18, 2013 08:24 PM (8ZskC)

42 Frum, is he a great big fat person ?

Posted by: Buffalo Bob at February 18, 2013 08:24 PM (nTgAI)

43 Is David Frum a thought leader?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 18, 2013 08:24 PM (BuSM8)

44 Thanks for the formatting again, pixy; the gift that keeps on giving. Like herpes.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 18, 2013 08:25 PM (rUeB3)

45 Why doesn't ice cream come with a warning that eating it will make you fat

Posted by: David Furm at February 18, 2013 08:25 PM (nTgAI)

46 If he isn't, how about not talking about him or linking to him. He stays alive because right blogs link to him. Even if it's just to heap derision, it's still getting him publicity and keeping him out there. Cut off his oxygen.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 18, 2013 08:25 PM (BuSM8)

47 How will the left's idiot laws turn out? Exactly the way they want them to turn out; the law abiding will be left defenseless and the criminals will some how neglect to turn in their weapons. The sooner we realize that the left is populated by malignant psychos the sooner we will realize that bad results are what they're after.

Of course Socialism and Communism don't work; they were never meant to work. They're meant to enslave people and exact revenge on those who make leftists look bad by being successful. If you think you're trying to coil a rope, and what you are really doing is wrestling with a poisonous snake you are in deep trouble. That is the essence of the problem that conservatives face.


Posted by: An Observation at February 18, 2013 08:25 PM (ylhEn)

48 I was kinda' hoping someone would go into some detail on that "mistake" in the new Wa gun legislation .
The part where apparently the local cops can come to your house one a yr to check assault weapon compliance .
I guess once the gunnies saw that little "mistake"the grabbers realized the jig was up and started mush mouthing .
Fuckin fascist assholes .

Posted by: awkward davies at February 18, 2013 08:26 PM (USjX1)

Posted by: Clemenza at February 18, 2013 08:26 PM (3GuQx)

50 mmmmm, Veal.

Posted by: garrett at February 18, 2013 08:27 PM (qhMrQ)

51 I'm not rockmom, and I'm posting thru a mobile proxy, so I should be difficult to ban. Didn't think bannings were name based anyhow.

Posted by: Not Jean at February 18, 2013 08:27 PM (Is+Nb)

52 What I find ... notable ... is the fervor with which a Lefty will correct someone on the use of "lockout" vs. "strike".

Yet they are blithe to actual distinctions between weapons, the way they operate, et cetera.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 18, 2013 08:27 PM (J8DGo)

53 Why doesn't a pizza box come with a warning, that if I eat an entire extra-large, I'll be get fatter and be all bloated?

Posted by: David Frum at February 18, 2013 08:27 PM (UOM48)

54 Is it possible that Frum is just musing on why what he thinks is a good idea isn't universal?

Don't get me wrong I think he is an enormous tard. But maybe it's like after driving a nice car you go, man,every car should have an eight speed transmission.

Posted by: blaster at February 18, 2013 08:28 PM (/1U3u)

55 As many of you know, my F-I-L was murdered, probably by one of his neighbors. I still own property in that area. My blog (link in nick) is intentionally provocative, trying to induce the authorities to be more proactive, or the perpetrator to make a mistake, so that he can be apprehended and face trial. I have put my own identity in the forefront to shield others in the family. I have no intention of letting a bunch of know-nothing, do-gooder, crusading, illogical, cretins (whether they are legislators or reporters) disarm me and take away my ability to protect my life and the lives of my loved ones. I will take the steps that need to be taken in that regard, no matter what inane laws they might pass. So, there's that.

/rant off

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 18, 2013 08:28 PM (qqZuQ)

56 So my ip is ok ...

Posted by: Jean at February 18, 2013 08:28 PM (Is+Nb)

57 And Juan's sons are both Republicans.




Posted by: huerfano at February 18, 2013 08:21 PM (bAGA/


I know. Makes one scratch one's head.




Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 18, 2013 08:23 PM (UOM4


The stoopid skips a generation or they inherit their mother's ability to make sense. Juan gave a very touching tribute to Tony Snow in which he mentioned how upset his son was by his passing. Other than that he sucks major cock.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 18, 2013 08:28 PM (rUeB3)

58 Why isn't there an indicator for your mouth to let you know there's a cock in there?

Posted by: Favid Drum at February 18, 2013 08:28 PM (i7B17)

59 I there like some sort of thingy that tells me if a car is going ahead or backwards? Mom is pissed about the garage door

Posted by: Meghan McCain at February 18, 2013 08:29 PM (mCvL4)

60 Oops, broken link in my nick- fixed.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 18, 2013 08:29 PM (qqZuQ)

61 38 beckel says that about Chicago

Posted by: conservative mom in Maryland at February 18, 2013 08:29 PM (JY/eu)

62 Miranda Frum literally tweeted this today:

experienced my first Israeli bomb threat ... it was super casual...

Posted by: David Frum at February 18, 2013 08:30 PM (UOM48)

63 Oops, crazy Miranda daddy sock...

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 18, 2013 08:30 PM (UOM48)

64 "Now people with this same mentality are charging forth to "prevent the next Sandy Hook". How do you think that's going to turn out?"

Contempt for the law is growing.

Posted by: Invictus at February 18, 2013 08:31 PM (OQpzc)

65 Seamus, pixy broke the link.

Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/site-packages/cherrypy/_cprequest.py", line 606, in respond
cherrypy.response.body = self.handler()

Posted by: 13times at February 18, 2013 08:31 PM (h6XiD)

66 From Weasel Zippers:


Mexican lawmakers will ask the U.S. Senate to create a registry of all
commercialized firearms in border states, which includes California,
Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas. Mexico says it will make it easier to
trace guns used in violent attacks.


The measure was reportedly approved on January 9 by Mexico’s Permanent Commission, a government entity that meets when Mexico’s Senate and the Chamber of Deputies is in recess. Gun owners in Arizona are calling the proposal “foolish” and an “invasion of privacy.”The measure was reportedly approved on January 9 by Mexico’s Permanent Commission, a government entity that meets when Mexico’s Senate and the Chamber of Deputies is in recess. Gun owners in Arizona are calling the proposal “foolish” and an “invasion of privacy.”



http://tinyurl.com/amgggay

Posted by: Tami at February 18, 2013 08:31 PM (X6akg)

67 Deport Frum.

Posted by: Thorvald at February 18, 2013 08:31 PM (1V6Pv)

68 The discussion is over, the answer is no.

If you pass more laws, we will violate them, we will repeal them, we will kick you out of office.

We will keep doing so until you understand, or until you are bums in alleys drinking cheap booze to console yourselves.

That is all.

They don't listen to facts, they don't listen to reason, the *only* thing to do is to always say NO.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 18, 2013 08:32 PM (bxiXv)

69 Hey Andy: not to get all concern-troll and all but... yeah, I'm concerned.

Why were Jean's earlier posts deleted off of here? Did you mistake them for raykon droppings?

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 18, 2013 08:32 PM (QTHTd)

70 More leftist Dems getting passes for saying what would get a Republican crucified;

http://tinyurl.com/bdnhm5w

Via Dana Loesch and Revealing Politics, Colorado state rep. John Salazar doesn’t think women need a gun to protect them from rapists. Instead, they should be happy with rape whistles. Click the links for video.

“Passive resistance” is what the gun-grabbers want to impose on all of us.

Time to fight like a girl.

Contact Colorado Democrat Rep. Joe Salazar


Posted by: kbdabear at February 18, 2013 08:32 PM (mCvL4)

71 Tami, I, for one, welcome our Mexican overlords. And so should you.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 18, 2013 08:32 PM (UOM48)

72 My five gallon plastic bucket comes with a warning not to drown kids in it.

Posted by: Invictus at February 18, 2013 08:32 PM (OQpzc)

73 If Frum refrains from discussing guns, I'll reciprocate by refraining from discussing butter and expandable-waist slacks.

Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at February 18, 2013 08:32 PM (8ZskC)

74 Hey, let's start a cottage industry in folksy totalitarians!
We could put on a show!

Posted by: Thorvald at February 18, 2013 08:32 PM (1V6Pv)

75 But you see, the guns used in Massachusetts crimes today come from

states that have lax gun laws! You can't stop gun crime in Boston if
the criminals get their guns from Texas! So the only real solution is a
nationwide

ban! Yeah that's it!


Yea, that one's getting stale already.

Problem with that logic is they are admitting that reducing violent crime is more complex than legal gun ownership. From there, you can tear down their arguments.

The key is to use simple, short slogans (preferably that rhyme) so that you can make your point before they notice a shiny object and lose all interest in the discussion.

Posted by: ElKomandante at February 18, 2013 08:32 PM (w9frw)

76 Todd Akin Colorado rep Joe Salazar (D) sez ;

Colorado Democrat: Women Don’t Need Guns If They ‘Feel Like They’re Going To Be Raped’

http://tinyurl.com/b7c8mbk

Posted by: kbdabear at February 18, 2013 08:33 PM (mCvL4)

77 test

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 18, 2013 08:33 PM (UOM48)

78 61 38 beckel says that about Chicago
Posted by: conservative mom in Maryland at February 18, 2013 08:29 PM


Beckel should be beaten daily. On every odd day and any day that ends with a "Y".

After three months?

Woodchipper.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at February 18, 2013 08:33 PM (CCJJ/)

79 Todd Akin Colorado rep Joe Salazar (D) sez ;

Colorado Democrat: Women Don’t Need Guns If They ‘Feel Like They’re Going To Be Raped’

http://tinyurl.com/b7c8mbk

Posted by: kbdabear at February 18, 2013 08:33 PM (mCvL4)

80 Lmao

Give it up kbdabear.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at February 18, 2013 08:34 PM (GEICT)

81 kbdabear, that was a close one. Almost barrel-worthy. heh

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 18, 2013 08:34 PM (UOM48)

82 >> Why were Jean's earlier posts deleted off of here? Did you mistake them for raykon droppings?

The only thing I can guess is that the IP hash is on the TB3K list. You don't happen to still have it, do you?

Posted by: Andy at February 18, 2013 08:34 PM (OZPoa)

83 People point to Australia, but they had 1.5 million guns. Only 600,00 were turned in.

Posted by: Invictus at February 18, 2013 08:34 PM (OQpzc)

84 The discussion is over, the answer is no.



If you pass more laws, we will violate them, we will repeal them, we will kick you out of office.



We will keep doing so until you understand, or until you are bums in alleys drinking cheap booze to console yourselves.



That is all.



They don't listen to facts, they don't listen to reason, the *only* thing to do is to always say NO.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 18, 2013 08:32 PM (bxiXv)


Exactly correct. The answer is "No."

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 18, 2013 08:35 PM (bb5+k)

85

It looks like the consensus here is to send David back to wherever he's Frum ...

Posted by: Arbalest at February 18, 2013 08:35 PM (t6GxT)

86 >>>72 My five gallon plastic bucket comes with a warning not to drown kids in it.

Nobody needs a five gallon bucket. You should make do with a two gallon bucket, and just refill it more often.

Posted by: wooga at February 18, 2013 08:35 PM (7SwK/)

87 I am amazed at the stupid and the MSM indoctrination.

I own about a hundred guns, maybe 30 pistols, 40 shotguns and 30 rifles. At least 15 that would be classified as "assault weapons".

My wife asked me this weekend what was so bad about banning assault weapons. I asked her what she thought an assault weapon was. She said one of those guns that keeps shooting and you can kill a lot of people like the guy in CT.

Why she was asking this, my son had our PS 90 on the kitchen table. She had no clue that it was an evil "assault weapon". It had a 50 round Mag in it.

We are losing the fucking narrative to these stupid fucks in the Blue Metro areas that know nothing about weapons expect what they see on some Bruce Willis shot up.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 18, 2013 08:35 PM (wR+pz)

88 Serious question here:

What part of the end of the draft and the beginning of the all volunteer military is responsible for this widespread ignorance?

Posted by: Navybrat at February 18, 2013 08:35 PM (7zvJ4)

89 And kbdabear goes in the barrel.

Posted by: blaster at February 18, 2013 08:35 PM (/1U3u)

90 "Mexican lawmakers will ask the U.S. Senate to create a registry of all commercialized firearms in border states, which includes California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas, and to quit supplying high-powered firearms to Mexican drug cartels"

I may have added that last part.

Posted by: toby928© pontificates in oracular tones of banality at February 18, 2013 08:35 PM (QupBk)

91 Shouldn't every lawnmower come with a device that indicates that the blades are turning very fast?

Posted by: David "Butterfries" Frum at February 18, 2013 08:35 PM (mCvL4)

92 no, kdbabear just loses an internetz. the barrel is for those who screw up others' posts

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 18, 2013 08:36 PM (QTHTd)

93 I've never owned a gun and I dont know anythingabout them. So I'm as qualfied as David Frum. (Andmy penis is bigger than his.)

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at February 18, 2013 08:36 PM (q+XGX)

94 Ya--I've never seen Jean comment poorly.

Posted by: tasker at February 18, 2013 08:37 PM (r2PLg)

95 Idk if it's the Ivy League, or merely the Northeast, but at some point you have to stop trying to convince people the enemy is real, and switch over to defeating the enemy.
Get real.
Get real, or be declared hors de combat and thus susceptible to collateral damage.
"Circular error probability zero. Impact with high order detonation. Thank you and have a nice day." Awww, shucks, that strike killed several of the enemy, and several more northeasterners who were trying to convince their neighbors that the threat was real. Pity. They could've knifed that bitch with its grapefruit spoon and saved the airstrike.

Posted by: Thorvald at February 18, 2013 08:37 PM (1V6Pv)

96 Someone should ask Frum why idiots are required to wear signs that say they are idiots and also why isnt he wearing a sign.

Posted by: retired military at February 18, 2013 08:37 PM (uXioi)

97 People point to Australia, but they had 1.5 million guns. Only 600,00 were turned in.

Posted by: Invictus at February 18, 2013 08:34 PM (OQpzc)


Anyone who obeys an order to turn in guns (assuming the authorities do not know you have them.) is a fool.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 18, 2013 08:37 PM (bb5+k)

98 Fe.
Fi.
Fo.
Frum.
I smell a dipshit Can-a-di-an.

Posted by: a giant at February 18, 2013 08:37 PM (Ks9M3)

99 81
kbdabear, that was a close one. Almost barrel-worthy. heh


Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 18, 2013 08:34 PM

Anyone usin' strikethroughs have to close their strikethroughs. Anyone not closin' their strikethroughs spends the night in The Barrel

Posted by: Carr the Threadwalker at February 18, 2013 08:37 PM (mCvL4)

100 I'm sure it's been mentioned before, but if the leftys who shriek like little girls at the thought of someone owning a firearm think that the gun violence in commie utopias such as Chicago stem from lax gun laws out in the sticks where people are allowed to own weapons, how do they reconcile that with advocating little or no border protection? Maybe retardation is a preexisting condition of voting Democrat.

Posted by: model_1066 at February 18, 2013 08:38 PM (7xPCu)

101
I'm crackin up over here. Why?

Because I'm watching an episode of Eastbound & Down.

get on teh googles download this show now

you're welcome

Posted by: soothsayer at February 18, 2013 08:38 PM (ZI4xD)

102 wow. Directly to your point Ace.

From Redstate
Chicago’s Chief of Police, who previously blamed ”government-sponsored racism” and Sarah Palin for Chicago’s gun violence, declared that the law-ful exercise of the Second Amendment was a threat to public safety.

Posted by: T.Hunter at February 18, 2013 08:39 PM (EZl54)

103 Dave, here is a warning for you.

When you feel that KY on your ass, you know I am coming in you pretty soon.

Posted by: Barney at February 18, 2013 08:39 PM (wR+pz)

104 Most semi auto handguns including the Glock already have loaded chamber indicators. And it is pretty easy to see on a revolver. If people would stop to check the loaded chamber indicator they probably are smart enough to not pull the trigger on a gun while it is pointed at someone.

Posted by: Fredlike at February 18, 2013 08:40 PM (ztMxN)

105 smackdown


“Garry McCarthy’s understanding of our Constitution barely qualifies
him as a meter maid, never mind the chief of the nation’s third largest
police department,” commented ISRA Executive DirectorRichard Pearson.

http://tinyurl.com/awfnz6j

Posted by: T.Hunter at February 18, 2013 08:40 PM (EZl54)

106 84 The discussion is over, the answer is no.

If you pass more laws, we will violate them, we will repeal them, we will kick you out of office.

We will keep doing so until you understand, or until you are bums in alleys drinking cheap booze to console yourselves.

That is all.

They don't listen to facts, they don't listen to reason, the *only* thing to do is to always say NO.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 18, 2013 08:32 PM (bxiXv)


Uh-huh. That's working soooo well.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at February 18, 2013 08:40 PM (CCJJ/)

107 Bloomberg's looking for nuts:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/scoop_the_nuts_TujGFMPDFLCfDgxDqmjHIL

even a blind pig . . .

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 18, 2013 08:40 PM (QTHTd)

108 65 Seamus, pixy broke the link.
*****
Fixed it.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 18, 2013 08:40 PM (qqZuQ)

109 Unless you are carrying SA Cowboy style, a revolver always has a round in the chamber.

Posted by: toby928© pontificates in oracular tones of banality at February 18, 2013 08:41 PM (QupBk)

110 A night in the box? Oh, that's disgusting.



http://tinyurl.com/34lxw82

Posted by: Barney at February 18, 2013 08:41 PM (wR+pz)

111 To check for a forgotten round in the chamber, I always point my rifle towards Mecca, then wildly and recklessly pull the trigger with abandon.


Posted by: Pvt. Partze at February 18, 2013 08:41 PM (q1OL0)

112 Why don't Twinkies come labelled with the warning that they'll turn you into an unloved fatass with no other outlet than the cry for help of a national column?

Posted by: David Frum at February 18, 2013 08:42 PM (MMC8r)

113 111 To check for a forgotten round in the chamber, I always point my rifle towards Mecca, then wildly and recklessly pull the trigger with abandon.


Posted by: Pvt. Partze at February 18, 2013 08:41 PM (q1OL0)

DC is closer.

Posted by: model_1066 at February 18, 2013 08:43 PM (7xPCu)

114 Relying on the CLI will eventually bite you in the ass.

You Need To:

A) Treat all guns as if they were loaded, and

B) Fucking check the chamber.

What does the CLI tell you? It tells you if there's a round in the chamber, or a spent shell that didn't eject, or a snap cap, or something else, or a small object is lodged in the CLI, or the CLI is broken.

Checking the chamber confirms the presence of a live round, or its absence.

The CLI doesn't do that.

It's regulatory fluff.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 18, 2013 08:43 PM (bxiXv)

115 WWE has a new bad guy character -- a racist, anti-immigrant Tea Party "patriot" waving a Don't Tread on Me flag named Zeb Colter (ie like Ann Coulter).

WWE is one of the few media companies controlled by a Republican. Can't even get a break there.

Basic storyline is for the Mexican good guy Alberto Del Rio to fight the racist, anti-immigrant bad guy.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 18, 2013 08:43 PM (ZPrif)

116 111 To check for a forgotten round in the chamber, I always point my rifle towards Mecca, then wildly and recklessly pull the trigger with abandon.

Posted by: Pvt. Partze at February 18, 2013 08:41 PM (q1OL0)



Oddly enough, I have to change magazines whenever I do that.

Huh.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at February 18, 2013 08:44 PM (CCJJ/)

117 Just came back from reading some of Miranda Frum's "work" at Huffpo.

Wade in if you dare:


http://tinyurl.com/aotpgg3

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 18, 2013 08:44 PM (UOM48)

118
91: We need warnings on McDonald's coffee cups that the contents arehot.
Oh wait. We already do that.

Posted by: Jim in Virginia at February 18, 2013 08:45 PM (q+XGX)

119 72

Toddlers drowning in 5 gallon buckets really is a problem, but I get the point.

15 OSHA stickers on a lather or a milling machine warning operators about finger-arm-torso mutilation hazard is a bit repetitive and unnecessary. The same stickers on a 32' extension ladder? Regulation become background clutter in a sea of warning signs.

Posted by: 13times at February 18, 2013 08:45 PM (h6XiD)

120 116
I think the gun debate has been worn out. everybody knows what the two sides of the debate are by now.
anybody know why they will dump on Frum on this website but not S.E. Cupp? doesn't seem like anybody has criticized Cupp for essentially saying we need to censor Rush which basically sounded like frum. is it b/c she's considered hot stuff
Posted by: S.E. Cupp at February 18, 2013 08:44 PM (vRuAK)


I think of it as rubbing a dog's nose in its own shit to make it learn something.

Posted by: model_1066 at February 18, 2013 08:45 PM (7xPCu)

121 Uh-huh. That's working soooo well.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at February 18, 2013 08:40 PM (CCJJ/)


Well, you could always keep wrestling with a pig. It doesn't work at all, but the pig enjoys it, so there's that.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 18, 2013 08:45 PM (bxiXv)

122 The other thing I should have mentioned is that Ruger has roll-stamped a long version of RTFM! on its guns since (IIRC) the 1970s. Lots of other gun manufacturers do this too.

Posted by: Andy at February 18, 2013 08:45 PM (OZPoa)

123 is it b/c she's considered hot stuff

How you told your parents that you're gay yet?

Posted by: toby928© pontificates in oracular tones of banality at February 18, 2013 08:46 PM (QupBk)

124 A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Posted by: filbert at February 18, 2013 08:46 PM (NaNKB)

125 I mentioned this earlier. Lots of guns have chambered round warnings. My Walter pp has a small pin that sticks out if the gun is chambered. My Sea Camp has a slot the shows the round if the gun is chambered.



The GPS's on all my guns have been disabled.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 18, 2013 08:46 PM (wR+pz)

126 OT but anyone read the 'Conservative HQ' Richard Viguerie site? He is offering a $10,000 reward for a plan to takeover the GOP:

http://tinyurl.com/9wby7he

Kinda funny/interesting.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at February 18, 2013 08:46 PM (MmH0Z)

127 120 72

Toddlers drowning in 5 gallon buckets really is a problem, but I get the point.

15 OSHA stickers on a lather or a milling machine warning operators about finger-arm-torso mutilation hazard is a bit repetitive and unnecessary. The same stickers on a 32' extension ladder? Regulation become background clutter in a sea of warning signs.
Posted by: 13times at February 18, 2013 08:45 PM (h6XiD)


I need to be told that a bag of peanuts may contain peanut products.

Posted by: model_1066 at February 18, 2013 08:47 PM (7xPCu)

128 He is offering a $10,000 reward for a plan to takeover the GOP

Does he expressly rule out murder?

Posted by: toby928© pontificates in oracular tones of banality at February 18, 2013 08:47 PM (QupBk)

129 Why doesn't this paste come with a warning that it might give me an upset tummy?

Posted by: Frum Here to Maternity at February 18, 2013 08:47 PM (qqZuQ)

130 115 WWE has a new bad guy character -- a racist, anti-immigrant Tea Party "patriot" waving a Don't Tread on Me flag named Zeb Colter (ie like Ann Coulter).

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 18, 2013 08:43 PM (ZPrif)


Next up: a hook-nosed Jew with bloody Matzoh bread.

Some days I really fucking hate people.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 18, 2013 08:48 PM (bxiXv)

131 She has a face?

Posted by: toby928© pontificates in oracular tones of banality at February 18, 2013 08:48 PM (QupBk)

132 David's daughter's bio (from National Post):

Occupation: Huffington Post blogger, TV producer

No shrinking violet. A veritable pinata of opinions — she can hold forth on everything from America’s Next Top Model
to the state of Syria! — this missy is as beautiful as she is bold.
Consider a recent tweet: “Canada, get over the war of 1812. it wasn’t
even a Canadian victory. It was a British one.” (Comes by her punditry
honestly — being the daughter of A-list opinonistes David Frum and
Danielle Crittenden and all!)




(Bold, mine)

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 18, 2013 08:48 PM (UOM48)

133 Does he expressly rule out murder?

Posted by: toby928© pontificates in oracular tones of banality at February 18, 2013 08:47 PM (QupBk)
Lord I hope not, we need all the options left open for sure.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at February 18, 2013 08:48 PM (MmH0Z)

134 129 He is offering a $10,000 reward for a plan to takeover the GOP

--------------

Does he expressly rule out murder raptors?

Posted by: toby928© pontificates in oracular tones of banality at February 18, 2013 08:47 PM (QupBk)



Fixed for the HQ

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at February 18, 2013 08:48 PM (GEICT)

135 on a 32' extension ladder? Regulation become background clutter in a sea of warning signs.
Posted by: 13times at February 18, 2013 08:45 PM (h6XiD)

I once saw the aftermath of a female with pony tail gettiing too close to some moving machinery.

Posted by: Invictus at February 18, 2013 08:49 PM (OQpzc)

136 anybody know why they will dump on Frum on this website but not S.E. Cupp?

Posted by: S.E. Cupp at February 18, 2013 08:44 PM (vRuAK)


Mu.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 18, 2013 08:49 PM (bxiXv)

137 WWE is one of the few media companies controlled by a Republican. Can't even get a break there.





Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 18, 2013 08:43 PM (ZPrif)


Other than supporting the troops, McMahon is human garbage.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 18, 2013 08:50 PM (rUeB3)

138 >> Relying on the CLI will eventually bite you in the ass.

I swear on that USP I really can't even see it well enough to tell whether it's saying the gun is loaded or not.

Again, though, it doesn't matter if you're following teh rulz.

Posted by: Andy at February 18, 2013 08:52 PM (OZPoa)

139 Update on the War on Women: Joe Salazarhas beenMentioned in Dispatches.

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 18, 2013 08:52 PM (U3ERv)

140

Lathes have no need for warning stickers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PzPfzLeDa0

Posted by: Arbalest at February 18, 2013 08:52 PM (t6GxT)

141 anybody know why they will dump on Frum on this website but not S.E. Cupp? doesn't seem like anybody has criticized Cupp for essentially saying we need to censor Rush which basically sounded like frum. is it b/c she's considered hot stuff

Posted by: S.E. Cupp at February 18, 2013 08:44 PM (vRuAK)


One word: moobs.

Posted by: blaster at February 18, 2013 08:52 PM (/1U3u)

142 I live in a typical community in the rural south .
Home invasions are unheard of here . Seriously .
All of my neighbors are armed . All of them .
It's very quiet and pleasant , if you discount the random gunshots during hunting season .
It ain't Dodge city .
Why the left insists on transplanting their"sophisticated" urban ideas here , I don't ,,,I really don't understand .
I reckon they just want us to be as miserable and unhappy as they are .
Well , fuckem' .

Posted by: awkward davies at February 18, 2013 08:53 PM (USjX1)

143 A) Treat all guns as if they were loaded


It's the thing to do. Period. Whenever I am handed a weapon, I go through the clearing process. Even if someone does it in front of me.

Many years of Pistol and Rifle turn-in, primarily M-1911A1s and M-16A1/A2. I have found live rounds in the chamber of an M-60, after turn-in.

Trust me.

The only weapon I have never had a problem with is the M-2 Browning.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at February 18, 2013 08:53 PM (CCJJ/)

144 It's polite to breach the firearm before you offer it someone, plus you can insure that they don't just turn around and shoot you with it.

Posted by: toby928© pontificates in oracular tones of banality at February 18, 2013 08:55 PM (QupBk)

145 I think S.E. Cupp is less of a believer and more of a wannabe-famous.


Posted by: zsasz at February 18, 2013 08:55 PM (MMC8r)

146
"Why doesnt every gun automatically indicate whether there's a bullet in the chamber?"

Why doesn't every Frum automatically indicate whether there's a brain in the cranium?

Posted by: feeling kind of frumpish at February 18, 2013 08:55 PM (Q2wni)

147 It's the thing to do. Period. Whenever I am handed a weapon, I go through the clearing process. Even if someone does it in front of me.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at February 18, 2013 08:53 PM (CCJJ/)


*******

Exactly. Even at the gunshop, even when taking it out of the gun safe, even when taking it off my belt. Every freaking time.

Posted by: Frum Here to Maternity at February 18, 2013 08:56 PM (qqZuQ)

148 "'Today, Massachusetts leads the way in cracking down on gun violence,'
said Republican Governor Paul Cellucci as he signed the bill into law."

Something's wrong in this sentence, and I just can't figure out what.

Ah. Yes. That's it. There was a REPUBLICAN governor signing this kind of crap.

For the love of all that's holy, can we once and for all get a couple of barrels of hot tar, and a few hundred sacks of chicken feathers, and have a big party where we officially tar and feather every last idiot gun-controlling RINO, and officially take away their party affiliation from them?

You wanna grab guns? Great. There's a party for that. Not this party. Your ass is out of here. Don't you dare drop a single feather on the way out or get any tar on the carpets while you're leaving.

I think we'll need an extra large vat of tar for a certain New Jerseyan.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 18, 2013 08:56 PM (gqT4g)

149 it's kind of intimidating actually

Go to the gun store and try some out. They are tools. You aren't intimidated by a drill press, are you?

Posted by: toby928© pontificates in oracular tones of banality at February 18, 2013 08:56 PM (QupBk)

150 I won't buy a gun at a shop where the help don't practice safety.
What would they know?
(It's good manners not to suffer an AD.)

Posted by: Thorvald at February 18, 2013 08:56 PM (1V6Pv)

151 146 I live in a typical community in the rural south .
Home invasions are unheard of here . Seriously .
All of my neighbors are armed . All of them .
It's very quiet and pleasant , if you discount the random gunshots during hunting season .
It ain't Dodge city .
Why the left insists on transplanting their"sophisticated" urban ideas here , I don't ,,,I really don't understand .
I reckon they just want us to be as miserable and unhappy as they are .
Well , fuckem' .
Posted by: awkward davies at February 18, 2013 08:53 PM (USjX1)


I live in an identical community, in Illinois, if you can believe that.

Samey same. Nothing happens.

Nothing.

The last gun related incident. I don't remember one and I have been here 30 years.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at February 18, 2013 08:56 PM (CCJJ/)

152 My step father had one more rule to add to that. Never point a gun at someone you don't intend to kill. Because if you don't; they will take it from you and kill you with it.

Posted by: Kaptain Amerika at February 18, 2013 08:57 PM (a0o+l)

153 Go to the gun store and try some out. They are tools. You aren't intimidated by a drill press, are you?

Posted by: toby928© pontificates in oracular tones of banality at February 18, 2013 08:56 PM (QupBk)

Does that make you horny?

Posted by: Austin Powers at February 18, 2013 08:57 PM (MmH0Z)

154 This thread needs more bullet points.

Posted by: a suggestion at February 18, 2013 08:57 PM (Q2wni)

155 Off putrid frum-py sock. Ugghhh.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 18, 2013 08:57 PM (qqZuQ)

156 Hey look--it's another Frumination:

davidfrum ‏@davidfrum
If you drive unsafely, police can pull you over before you hit anybody. But who will know your gun is unsafely stored before too late?


__________

sigh.

Posted by: tasker at February 18, 2013 08:57 PM (r2PLg)

157
I wish the ammo dealers would follow some gun makers and not sell to state agencies in states that are passing these new gun control laws.

That would put a crimp in their crumple.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 18, 2013 08:57 PM (p/cQy)

158 someone should troll frum and tell him the automatic indicator would legally classify the weapon in the "automatic" category.

Posted by: jd at February 18, 2013 08:58 PM (DGhcv)

159 Tiresome, tiresome troll.


*sigh*

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at February 18, 2013 08:59 PM (GEICT)

160 113 111 To check for a forgotten round in the chamber, I always point my rifle towards Mecca, then wildly and recklessly pull the trigger with abandon.


Posted by: Pvt. Partze at February 18, 2013 08:41 PM (q1OL0)

DC is closer.
Posted by: model_1066 at February 18, 2013 08:43 PM (7xPCu)


Da fuck did I do?

Posted by: DC in Towson, assault human at February 18, 2013 08:59 PM (jIaZt)

161 we don't need them

Is there a mouse in your pocket, unarmed man? We?

FYNQ.

Posted by: toby928© pontificates in oracular tones of banality at February 18, 2013 08:59 PM (QupBk)

162 I do laugh when conservatives even ones who doen't care about gun s say that we need to have these "scary looking" semi-auto rifles. we don't need them but we have a right to own them. it's not really about tyranny either.

Posted by: S.E. Cupp at February 18, 2013 08:58 PM (vRuAK)



Enlighten us then.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at February 18, 2013 08:59 PM (GEICT)

163 >> anybody know why they will dump on Frum on this website but not S.E. Cupp?

I'm pretty sure the S.E. Cupp thing was in the sidebar.

Can't speak for the other cobs, but I didn't write about it because a) it seemed like something done purely to gin up controversy so why feed it and b) I didn't have much to add beyond maybe a snarky "SHOCK: MSNBC contributor criticizes Rush Limbaugh" headline.

Mostly b.

Posted by: Andy at February 18, 2013 09:00 PM (OZPoa)

164 This thread needs more bullet points.
Posted by: a suggestion


• Love me some bullet points.
• Can you tell I worked in marketing?
• How many marketing guys does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 18, 2013 09:00 PM (Ipj15)

165 fee, fie, fo, fate
cleanup needed on aisle 158.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 18, 2013 09:00 PM (qqZuQ)

166 it's about tyranny to me

Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at February 18, 2013 09:00 PM (GVxQo)

167 Cosmoline is the devil.


That is all.

Posted by: toby928© pontificates in oracular tones of banality at February 18, 2013 09:01 PM (QupBk)

168 And ban cricket bats.



Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 18, 2013 08:17 PM

And golf bats.

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at February 18, 2013 09:02 PM (rzTDZ)

169 Point being, we tend to ignore warning labels and hazard signs because they are posted on everything. It becomes background noise in our visual landscape.

I worked in an industrial environment for 20 years and the majority of workplace injuries are usually caused by inattention and fatigue.


Posted by: 13times at February 18, 2013 09:03 PM (h6XiD)

170 Summon the TB3K.

Posted by: toby928© pontificates in oracular tones of banality at February 18, 2013 09:03 PM (QupBk)

171
Mexican lawmakers will ask the U.S. Senate to create a registry of all
commercialized firearms in border states, which includes California,
Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas.







How about you mind your own fucking business or we'll carpet bomb your cardboard shacks with napalm.

How's that for diplomacy?

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 18, 2013 09:03 PM (MBqvE)

172 @176 Gasoline is the exorcist.

Posted by: Thorvald at February 18, 2013 09:03 PM (1V6Pv)

173 Everything's about power (and eventually tyranny), because animals are genetically incapable of Leaving Shit Alone.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 18, 2013 09:03 PM (bxiXv)

174 S E Cupp went to Cornell, just like Keith Olbermann. Degree in fucking Art History, that's a tough one. She is a ballerina, just like the God Father.


She's an atheist from fucking CA.


OK, I'd do her. She is NOT a conservative.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 18, 2013 09:03 PM (wR+pz)

175 He also is ignorant about what "denominator" means.

There are 30,000 car deaths a year and we have 225,000,000 cars.

There are (at a minimum) 200,000,000 guns in the U.S. and about 8,000 gun deaths every year.

So that makes cars about three times as dangerous as guns (based on the denominator).

Posted by: Kasper in Miami at February 18, 2013 09:03 PM (7x9pP)

176 Flatbush Joe: a racist, anti-immigrant Tea Party "patriot" waving a Don't Tread on Me flag named Zeb Colter (ie like Ann Coulter).
Merovign: Next up: a hook-nosed Jew with bloody Matzoh bread.


Yep.

When you have someone talk about "Republicans" or "the Tea Party" in your presence, they are not talking about the GOP leadership (who get bashed at AOSHQ hourly). They have the image of fat Christian white lower-class proles.

If a Jew overhears crap about "Shylock" is his first instinct to say "but I'm not Shylock, I'm one of the good ones"?

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 18, 2013 09:03 PM (QTHTd)

177 Exactly. Even at the gunshop, even when taking it out of the gun safe, even when taking it off my belt. Every freaking time.
Posted by: Frum Here to Maternity at February 18, 2013 08:56 PM (qqZuQ)


Yeah, I've seen some VERY experienced individuals do some, inadvertently, dumb things. I am not immune, either.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at February 18, 2013 09:04 PM (CCJJ/)

178 98ZJUSMC , We did have one gun incident here about ten years ago .
Cops were looking for some old ladies son or son in law or something , can't remember exactly . Anyway , they did their no knock , kick down the old ladies door thing .
They forgot to holler , police , open the fuck up .
Old lady started blazing . Wounded one cop .
No charges filed on grandma .DA said , cops should have announced their arrival . Grandma did what most local Grandma's would have done .
I love Granny .

Posted by: awkward davies at February 18, 2013 09:04 PM (USjX1)

179 @177 Didn't a dingbat used to be Madame Speaker?

Posted by: Thorvald at February 18, 2013 09:04 PM (1V6Pv)

180 And FYI for those who might care, the "Green" brake cleaner without chlorine is not "just as good" as the old school variety.

Posted by: toby928© pontificates in oracular tones of banality at February 18, 2013 09:04 PM (QupBk)

181 I love Granny .

Posted by: awkward davies at February 18, 2013 09:04 PM (USjX1)


But she is very, very, very lucky to be alive.

Also, better locks and doors.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 18, 2013 09:06 PM (bxiXv)

182 just that we have the right to own them per 2nd admendment.
Posted by: S.E. Cupp at February 18, 2013 09:05 PM (vRuAK)


I really think you need to start that whole "history" thing over at the beginning, because you're failing badly right now.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 18, 2013 09:06 PM (bxiXv)

183 Yeah, I know, I know. Instinct.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 18, 2013 09:07 PM (bxiXv)

184 @185

Please Kasper, stop it with the fucking facts man.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 18, 2013 09:07 PM (wR+pz)

185
If a Jew overhears crap about "Shylock" is his first instinct to say "but I'm not Shylock, I'm one of the good ones"?
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 18, 2013 09:03 PM (QTHTd)


Is that what Frum says?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 18, 2013 09:07 PM (IDSI7)

186 The meteor thing is pissing me off. For the first couple of days it was 10 tons. Now there's a WSJ article saying 10 thousand tons. Really? Off by 3 orders of magnitude?

And the whole crater thing. A 20-foot wide perfect circle in the ice, like it was dropped from a crane? I think not.

Even "small" piece of a 10,000-ton rock is not going to leave a 20-foot crater with nothing leading up to it. (think "trajectory")

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at February 18, 2013 09:07 PM (MmH0Z)

187 Bullet points are hollow.

Posted by: zsasz at February 18, 2013 09:08 PM (MMC8r)

188 If police do a dynamic entry without a warrant or announcing who they are, they are no different than any other bunch of armed individuals busting in your house.

Posted by: Navybrat at February 18, 2013 09:08 PM (7zvJ4)

189 I don't know shit about bra sizes. How big is an SE Cup?

Posted by: USS Diversity at February 18, 2013 09:08 PM (QLJPW)

190 191

it's about tyranny for me and because of that i need one and what gives me the right to have one is the 2nd amendment

Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at February 18, 2013 09:08 PM (GVxQo)

191 SE Cupp is not a conservative. Other than the "hot librarian" thing going on, not all that hot, either. The first crunched-up Ritz hits the sheets, she's on the road thumbin' a ride.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at February 18, 2013 09:09 PM (CCJJ/)

192
How about you mind your own fucking business or we'll carpet bomb your cardboard shacks with napalm.

How's that for diplomacy?


And hit every lawn you mow with Roundup, so you're unemployed.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 18, 2013 09:09 PM (IDSI7)

193 True Merovign . She was lucky .

Posted by: awkward davies at February 18, 2013 09:09 PM (USjX1)

194 Yeah, I've seen some VERY experienced individuals do some, inadvertently, dumb things. I am not immune, either.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at February 18, 2013 09:04 PM (CCJJ/)

Bingo there. I showed my air lite 38 to my sister in law and she picked it up and shot a hole in the ceiling. Scared the fuck out of me.

Never let a drunk near a gun.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 18, 2013 09:09 PM (wR+pz)

195 what gives me the right to have one is the 2nd amendment

Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at February 18, 2013 09:08 PM (GVxQo)


The 2nd recognizes a pre-existing right. It doesn't give anything, it's a reminder to government to keep their grubbies off.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 18, 2013 09:10 PM (bxiXv)

196 And hit every lawn you mow with Roundup, so you're unemployed.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 18, 2013 09:09 PM (IDSI7)




Heh.

I had visions of a tanker truck of RoundUp being dumped on SCOAMF's favorite golf course.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 18, 2013 09:11 PM (MBqvE)

197 200
I don't know shit about bra sizes. How big is an SE Cup?

Posted by: USS Diversity at February 18, 2013 09:08 PM (QLJPW)

I am not sure, but there are no trailer hitches near her with chrome on them.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 18, 2013 09:11 PM (wR+pz)

198 I ran into the same nonsense with some Fed auditors. We have a device that can contain pressure that, now and again, we have to open and take devices out. The auditors wanted a pressure gage at each of the devices to make sure someone wouldn't open with pressure inside. I told them we weren't putting on gages until we were ready to open and even then our procedure said to open the vent valve and insert a plastic rod to clear blockage if no pressure vented. Having a gage that reads zero when there is pressure inside is the surest way to get someone killed. "Bullet in chamber" is the same stuff.

Posted by: Jose Wales at February 18, 2013 09:12 PM (lPbS1)

199 If police do a dynamic entry without a warrant or
announcing who they are, they are no different than any other bunch of
armed individuals busting in your house.

Posted by: Navybrat at February 18, 2013 09:08 PM (7zvJ4)

There was a case in WA where a deputy got shot/killed during a pot bust. The def claimed he did not ID himself and def was defending himself. It was a few years ago. I think it mistrialed twice but they finally convicted the guy.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at February 18, 2013 09:12 PM (MmH0Z)

200 My step father had one more rule to add to that. Never point a gun at someone you don't intend to kill.

Our instructor today had his rule: don't even pull it out unless you're prepared to lose everything you own. It's got to be that important. (this is California)

Posted by: t-bird at February 18, 2013 09:13 PM (FcR7P)

201 Andy:
As a moron, I don't have time to read all the comments but would have your babies if I could have babies. I do have primers and powder....
Tony

Posted by: AnthonyB at February 18, 2013 09:13 PM (zoFYo)

202 "Our instructor today had his rule: don't even pull it out unless you're prepared to lose everything you own. It's got to be that important. (this is California)"

Yep. Brandishing.

Posted by: Navybrat at February 18, 2013 09:14 PM (7zvJ4)

203 Someone should probably be reported to the police for their unhealthy obsession with a two-bit MSNBC contributor.

Posted by: buzzion at February 18, 2013 09:14 PM (GULKT)

204
S. E. Dude? We get it, you don't like her, give it a rest.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 18, 2013 09:14 PM (p/cQy)

205 S.E. Cupp , and I mean this with the greatest respect .
Shut The Fuck Up !!
You and Piers can both kiss my rebel dick .
Respectfully .

Posted by: awkward davies at February 18, 2013 09:14 PM (USjX1)

206
"What if you are in your own house, the same rule applies?"

Depends on whether or not you can be observed by nincompoops who shit themselves if ever they even see a gun, anytime, anywhere.

Posted by: Navybrat at February 18, 2013 09:17 PM (7zvJ4)

207 Can we refer to Frum as "left-liberal commentator David Frum" from now on? Like, everywhere you find yourself referencing him online, use the "left-liberal commentator" descriptor. Too many people assume that because he and his bosses refer to him as a "conservative" that left-liberal commentator David Frum actually is a conservative. We need to change that.

Posted by: holygoat at February 18, 2013 09:18 PM (IGIFh)

208 What if you are in your own house, the same rule applies?

Yeah, same rule. Just thinking "hey, I'm within my rights!" isn't enough.

Posted by: t-bird at February 18, 2013 09:19 PM (FcR7P)

209 Toby TL:
If a 1911 fired when the hammer slipped from your thumb there was something else wrong with it.
Tony

Posted by: AnthonyB at February 18, 2013 09:22 PM (zoFYo)

210 1. vRuAK: average joe sucks dick. By choice.

2. S.E. Cupp on Beck's network, which if I heard correctly, is swinging Libertarian.

Posted by: blaster at February 18, 2013 09:22 PM (/1U3u)

211 228

Beck emphatically states he's gone libertarian.

Don't know how he squares certain circles, but he's done with the GOP.

Posted by: zsasz at February 18, 2013 09:25 PM (MMC8r)

212 Toby:
Safety notch?
Tony

Posted by: AnthonyB at February 18, 2013 09:32 PM (zoFYo)

213 >> Ive fired maybe 10k rounds and only had a gun go off once accidentally. Gov Model 1911, .45, hammer slipped from under my thumb.

That's one of the reasons Colt put the firing pin safety on the Series 80. It's also why John Moses Browning never intended for you to let the hammer down on a live chamber and gave you "cocked and locked".

Once again, always keeping it pointed in a safe direction saved the day.

Posted by: Andy at February 18, 2013 09:33 PM (OZPoa)

214
234 cupp/frum frum/cupp crum/fuppIs this the Pre-O.N.T.or the Pre-pre O.N.T. ?
Posted by: seamrog at February 18, 2013 09:31 PM (bwv6k)


Its a troll.

Posted by: buzzion at February 18, 2013 09:34 PM (GULKT)

215 Toby TL has never held a 1911A1 and has no idea about the "Half-Cock" safety notch.
You can't fire a 1911A1 without your finger on the trigger, unless it is broken...

Posted by: ChrisP at February 18, 2013 09:57 PM (gplxB)

216 Guys:
Work with me here; not trying to be a PITA. I am a moron and am drinking.
Yes, I still carry a 1911. But if my finger isn't on the trigger I can't get it to fire, no matter the safeties.
Tony

Posted by: AnthonyB at February 18, 2013 10:05 PM (zoFYo)

217 David Frum -- Why isn't every room in my house padded with rubber?

Posted by: Montjoie at February 18, 2013 10:06 PM (sBpR/)

218 ChrisP:
Thanks for the backup before I posted.
Tony

Posted by: AnthonyB at February 18, 2013 10:07 PM (zoFYo)

219 71 Tami, I, for one, welcome our Mexican overlords. And so should you.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 18, 2013 08:32 PM (UOM4


Fashionably late to the party, I see. Bienvenidos!

Posted by: Southern California at February 18, 2013 10:09 PM (3sZO1)

220 AnthonyB,
You are correct, sir!
The 1911 is meant to be carried in "Condition One" cocked and locked.
Draw the pistol, release the safety, shoot the target.
If the grip-safety is squeezed, and the trigger is pulled, it will drop the hammer.
John Browning knew what he was doing.

Posted by: ChrisP at February 18, 2013 10:09 PM (gplxB)

221 FrumForum??? Never heard of it.

Posted by: charles gibson at February 18, 2013 10:11 PM (ORGYc)

222 I've never owned a gun and I dont know anythingabout them. So I'm as qualfied as David Frum. (Andmy penis is bigger than his.)
Posted by: Jim in Virginia at February 18, 2013 08:36 PM (q+XGX)


Dude, MY penis is bigger than his.

Posted by: Simple little gray field mouse at February 18, 2013 10:16 PM (3sZO1)

223 Toby,
Then the hammer was NOT under control of the thumb.
There is no valid reason to drop the hammer on a loaded chamber in a 1911.
Yes, it is, indeed time for you to move on.
Pull your big-girl panties up, Sally.
You can't handle a 1911.
Better get a girly-gun that won't scare you...

Posted by: ChrisP at February 18, 2013 10:34 PM (gplxB)

224 Dear Mr. Frum,

In order to determine whether or not the weapon you are holding is loaded, follow these steps:

1. Insert muzzle in your ear.
2. Pull trigger.
3. If you hear a soft click, the weapon is not, repeat not loaded.

Posted by: Call me Ishmael at February 18, 2013 10:35 PM (Sn89p)

225 Why doesnt every gun automatically indicate whether there's a bullet in the chamber?

Teh stupid, it burns!!

Posted by: The Internet's Greatest Hits at February 18, 2013 10:45 PM (7B7jB)

226 Other questions Frum most likely has about life:

"Why don't food makers just remove calories from food? That way no one would ever get fat."

"Why don't girls like me?"

"Why does it burn so bad when I pee?"

Posted by: qdpsteve at February 18, 2013 10:47 PM (7B7jB)

227 Interesting. "Toby TL" seems to have fallen victim to the TB3K.
Imagine that...

Posted by: ChrisP at February 18, 2013 10:54 PM (gplxB)

228 In the post, Jeff Jacoby says there were 65 murders with firearms in Massachusetts in 1998 and 122 murders in 2011. He compares that to the sharp decline in gun licenses during that period. Also note that the population of Massachusetts had not changed much: The total state population was 6,349,097 in the 2000 Census (http://factfinder2.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?src=bkmk) and the 2011 estimated population was 6,607,033 (http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/25000.html).

Posted by: DRJ at February 18, 2013 10:55 PM (iqHi+)

229 Ignorance of the masses helps gun owners in some cases. For example, good ole lever actions in .30-.30 have a bit better ballistics than the dreaded assault weapon in 7.62x39. If you happen to live in one of the dreaded deep blue states with an AWB, you are still not helpless with a good lever action. Most so called assault weapons have puny ballistics by design (leaving out the magnificent .308 of course). Even a good ole Lee-Enfield is a fine battle rifle that can be operated surprisingly quickly for a bolt action. Bonus is the std. magazine holds ten rounds of .30 caliber goodness.

Posted by: wg at February 18, 2013 11:31 PM (mJ99Q)

230 Major Strasser:
Are you one of those people who cannot imagine the Germans in their beloved Paris?



Rick:
It's not particularly my beloved Paris.



Heinz:
Can you imagine us in London?



Rick:
When you get there, ask me!



Captain Renault:
Hmmh! Diplomatist!



Major Strasser:
How about New York?



Rick:
Well there are certain sections of New York, Major, that I wouldn't advise you to try to invade.

....still true today in spite of Mike Bloomberg

Posted by: Robbins Mitchell at February 19, 2013 12:15 AM (AfN/4)

231 Excellent answer Andy! Safety overdone is anything but. Airbag warnings on visors, "may cause death" on everything under the sun (and printed in 1/2 dozen languages)... it's actually obscuring reality. And safety overkill is just one facet of this mindlessness; think FDIC.

Posted by: egoist at February 19, 2013 06:23 AM (SShCT)

232
"In
1988, the surgeon general, C. Everett Koop, proclaimed ice cream to a
be public-health menace right up there with cigarettes. Alluding to his
office’s famous 1964 report on the perils of smoking, Dr. Koop announced
that the American diet
was a problem of “comparable” magnitude,
chiefly because of the high-fat foods that were causing coronary heart
disease and other deadly ailments.


He introduced his report with these words: 'The depth of the science
base underlying its findings is even more impressive than that for
tobacco and health in 1964.'"


... and today ice cream, just like snowy winters, are a thing of the past. LOL


It was 12 years earlier that John Carpenter's "Assault on Precinct
13" had made the ice cream truck into a "death-mobile", but this had
nothing to do with fat content.

Posted by: Douchebag of the Year at February 19, 2013 09:48 AM (e8kgV)

233 Frum exhibits a classic case of someone who has never shot a gun or learned how they actually work trying to write regulations to control them. It's like a non-driver trying to regulate how to reduce car accidents.

Frum, a classic big-city intellectual, is ignorance on parade. And the best way to fix this is for someone who knows him personally to take the poor noodge to a shooting range and let him actually learn something before he opens his misinformed yawp again.

Posted by: Publius at February 19, 2013 10:16 AM (R6wSy)

234 What would you expect from Cass R. Sunstein, former Obama head of the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs (OIRA) ...

For coercive paternalism to be justified, Conly contends that four criteria must be met. First, the activity that paternalists seek to prevent must genuinely be opposed to people’s long-term ends as judged by people themselves. If people really love collecting comic books, stamps, or license plates, there is no occasion to intervene.

Second, coercive measures must be effective rather than futile. Prohibition didn’t work, and officials shouldn’t adopt strategies that fail. Third, the benefits must exceed the costs. To know whether they do, would-be paternalists must assess both material and psychological benefits and costs (including not only the frustration experienced by those who lose the power to choose but also the losses experienced by those who are coerced into something bad for them). Fourth, the measure in question must be more effective than the reasonable alternatives. If an educational campaign would have the benefits of a prohibition without the costs, then Conly favors the educational campaign.

Posted by: Perry at February 19, 2013 10:45 AM (e8kgV)

235 "These laws were made by people who know as little about guns as Frum..."

Frum isn't ignorant. He's dishonest.

Posted by: pst314 at February 19, 2013 01:45 PM (T4dRn)

236 OK, I'm late to the party and probably nobody will read this but this often quoted Jeff Cooper "gun safety rule" just irritates the shit out of me:

"1. All guns are always loaded."

No they are not. I clean my guns after I shoot them and they are always unloaded when I clean them. It would be insane to clean a loaded gun. The other thing is that you are stating something that you know to be false. The fact that Jeff Cooper said it does not make it true.

The three gun safety rules that I have taught to everyone I have taught to shoot are in order of importance:

1. Don't allow the muzzle of the gun to point at any thing or any one that you are not willing to shoot.

2. Assume that a gun is loaded until you have checked it yourself. If it has been out of your sight, check it again. Do this every time without exception. If you don't know how to check if it is loaded, ask somebody who does know how to check it.

3. Keep your finger out of the trigger guard until you are ready to shoot.

Even if you get 2 and 3 wrong, as long as you remember rule #1, the results will not be as bad. Besides, it is impolite to point a gun at somebody whether it is loaded or not.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at February 19, 2013 07:03 PM (31Nrp)






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