Sunday Morning Open Thread

Content free, just like grandma made.

Posted by: Andy at 08:28 AM



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1 First?

Posted by: Scanner Dan at February 17, 2013 08:28 AM (h5CN9)

2 fist

Posted by: ghostofhallelujah at February 17, 2013 08:29 AM (XvrTA)

3 Morning!

Interesting video. Think you got dating issues?
http://youtu.be/VawkLa_qRrs

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 17, 2013 08:29 AM (7tbEC)

4 *yawns* Morning!

Posted by: rickl at February 17, 2013 08:30 AM (sdi6R)

5 Good Morning Morons. Today is Sunday, February 17, 2013. On this day in 1801 a catastrophe is averted when the House elected Thomas Jefferson as President over Aaron Burr. In a fit of pique he killed Alexander Hamilton and then went on to commit real and actual treason. However the corrupt Supreme Court justice Marshall who was already corrupt as the day is long let him off despite massive evidence of real treason.

Posted by: Vic at February 17, 2013 08:32 AM (53z96)

6 Maybe.. but Grandma put syrup on it.. and it tasted better!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 17, 2013 08:32 AM (UTq/I)

7 BREAKING: There has yet to be a denouncement by the media of "hate television" following murderer Chris Dorner's public endorsement of extremely partisan and divisive figures such as Barack Obama, Chris Matthews, Piers Morgan, and Jon Stewart. I'll keep you guys posted as the situation unfolds.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke's solid gold diaphragm at February 17, 2013 08:32 AM (7xeJQ)

8 Coffee. Need more coffee.

Oh, and 'Mornin' all.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 17, 2013 08:33 AM (4Mv1T)

9 More governors reject Obamacare taxes

http://is.gd/tnZHLW

Posted by: Vic at February 17, 2013 08:33 AM (53z96)

10 Another gun maker tells Cuomo to shove his gun grabbing up his ass.

http://is.gd/wjBJmt

Posted by: Vic at February 17, 2013 08:33 AM (53z96)

11 And some anime of course. Rose of Versailles. Japanese anime soap opera of the events leading up to the French Revolution. There was also a sequel during the Reign of Terror.

Original opening and ending music
http://youtu.be/5w9LkySEBD8

Live stage production from 1974
http://youtu.be/Z0GiYzrtCCE

And Lareine doing a cover version of the OP
http://youtu.be/B5ZrDfggSrs

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 17, 2013 08:33 AM (7tbEC)

12 More communist fallout from Obamacare. Profit margin limits???? Must be OK because this is a tax. Perhaps we can pass a law in red States that limits Democrat fund raising to 2 cents per year.

http://is.gd/NvEtY7

Posted by: Vic at February 17, 2013 08:34 AM (53z96)

13 Content free, just like grandma made.

Dry as a bone, just like grandma made.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 17, 2013 08:34 AM (XW351)

14 Leftist Democrat group states support for criminal murderer Dorner.

http://is.gd/1Kfjhq

Posted by: Vic at February 17, 2013 08:34 AM (53z96)

15 BB excoriates WaPo Menendez story from yesterday which I excoriated.


http://is.gd/fm7L4d

Posted by: Vic at February 17, 2013 08:34 AM (53z96)

16 Even more indication that St. Hillary will run in 2016. All we need is Jeb Bush running against her to complete the suck. And everyone will tell us we must vote for Bush because if we don’t we will be voting for Hillary. I’m done with that shit.

http://is.gd/SjQQfX

Posted by: Vic at February 17, 2013 08:35 AM (53z96)

17 More to come. I'm running late. 7 little girls showed up because I promised to make pancakes for all yesterday during the snow event.

Posted by: Vic at February 17, 2013 08:37 AM (53z96)

18 If only the government could buy up all available rounds, and preserve them for the sole use of cops, then people like Dorner would be no threat.

Oh wait....

Posted by: MTF at February 17, 2013 08:38 AM (+GpbP)

19 See? Grandma Vic is making pancakes, and I'm pretty damn sure there will be syrup!

And what do we get? This damn thread.. I'll be lodging a complaint.. a very strongly worded complaint!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 17, 2013 08:39 AM (UTq/I)

20 Pancakes!!

Posted by: eman at February 17, 2013 08:39 AM (NekHM)

21 Oh.. and good morning!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 17, 2013 08:40 AM (UTq/I)

22 So, this is what waking up on Sunday without a hangover feels like. Weird. Anyway, I've gone two weeks without a smoke (I've had one within a three week span) or Valu-Rite binge. I've been on Chantix for nearly a month now with no appreciable side effects. Time to re-up, I guess.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke's solid gold diaphragm at February 17, 2013 08:41 AM (7xeJQ)

23 msnbc can't let it go. They have a big propaganda special hosted by Rachel Madcow called Hubris. It allegedly lays out the lies that led to the Iraq war. Nothing but a repeat of their lies about alleged lies. I hate these people with a passion.

Every lie they say about Iraq can be truthfully said about the Kinetic military action in Libya, the real war for oil.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 17, 2013 08:42 AM (0GJri)

24 ...I've gone two weeks without a smoke (I've had one within a three week span)

Bravo. I remember the day in 1989 when I accepted a job where there was no smoking allowed in the office. My first thought was, "I can finally kick these stinkin' cigarettes."

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 17, 2013 08:44 AM (4Mv1T)

25 So, this is what waking up on Sunday without a hangover feels like. Weird.

Went fishing last weekend and let myself go a bit. Some drinks, smokes, crappy food. Got home Sunday and couldn't wait to get back to regular eats. Took about 3 days to feel "normal". At 60 yo, the body does not recoup like it did at 25.

Posted by: Bruce at February 17, 2013 08:44 AM (kWnMH)

26 Some cheery music. Theme song from Sailor Moon.
http://youtu.be/xYdVz42mZxM

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 17, 2013 08:44 AM (7tbEC)

27 16 Vic

And everyone will tell us we must vote for Bush because if we don’t we will be voting for Hillary. I’m done with that shit.

Yep. I said yesterday that I will literally lunge through the screen and punch anybody who tells me that.

Posted by: rickl at February 17, 2013 08:45 AM (sdi6R)

28 I thought a lunge only happened with horses or in the salle?

Anyway time to toddle off. Later.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 17, 2013 08:46 AM (7tbEC)

29 skip the pancakes
Mrs VIA made surrender toast using Italian panetoni.
Top that with real butter, and Wegmans 100% maple syrup.
Quite good.

Posted by: VIA, on the tiny keyboard at February 17, 2013 08:47 AM (Vej0t)

30 Kindle Daily Deals


http://is.gd/YXZ1Ee

Posted by: Vic at February 17, 2013 08:47 AM (53z96)

31 My former belief: Paul Krugman is a frackin idiot.


My new belief: 'Paul Krugman' is actually Monty, writing the silliest spew he can think up to punk liberals. It's working!


The latest from 'Krugman', via Zerohedge:
in reality the stuff that's now being called "currency wars" is almost surely a net plus for the world economy
http://tinyurl.com/cfhf44o


Good stuff, Monty! Keep it up!

Posted by: crisis du jour at February 17, 2013 08:48 AM (Ah59N)

32 Yeah Vic and rickl are great Americans. Fuck both of ya.

Posted by: Sebastian Melmoth at February 17, 2013 08:49 AM (IpwkJ)

33 Making "pancakes"!?! For seven little girls? This will not end well.

Posted by: Blue Hen at February 17, 2013 08:50 AM (PrDJQ)

34 And this one did not get any of my pancakes

http://is.gd/krU6OA


And that's it. BTW for all you folks who are hungry. For the mom who showed up with all the little girls I made a big crepe with every kind of sugary sweet stuff I had in the refer.

Posted by: Vic at February 17, 2013 08:50 AM (53z96)

35 The B612 Foundation is a private organization that wants to put up a space telescope to search for SMODlings:

http://b612foundation.org/

As a SMOD supporter, I'm torn.

Posted by: rickl at February 17, 2013 08:50 AM (sdi6R)

36 Son bought a handgun yesterday. He had been researching for quite awhile. The lines have been so long at the Gander Mountain gun desk, they have had to install 'take a number'. He finally went yesterday morning when the store first opened and there were over 20 people waiting. It's like this every day. Ammo is in such high demand that they sell out common loads within 2-3 hours of unloading a truck.

Everyone there is buying right now for the exact same reason.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at February 17, 2013 08:51 AM (n8LUb)

37 >Leftist Democrat group states support for criminal murderer Dorner.


They can support him all they want- the guy's an ashtray.

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 17, 2013 08:52 AM (8sCoq)

38 This probably should have gone in yesterday’s Public Populist...Private Tyrant thread, with it’s call for the right to embrace Alinski, as it’s a further thought on the theme, but I missed that thread so I’m sticking it here. Certainly, we need to stop being willing foils for the progs, but I think there’s a deeper issue here, and a reason that our side never produced an Alinski of our own: Our minds don’t work that way, because we don’t approach politics the same way the left does. Now, I’m not talking about the oft ventured theory that the left lives and breathes the politics of power 24/7, while we don’t, that’s mostly a reflection of the nature of each political movement. As those seeking to conserve the principles of the greatest nation in history, we’re playing defense: The principles exist, we’re all about how best to apply them. Progressives (Gods how I hate that moniker, there’s not a single damn thing that “progressive” about the left’s push for a return to oligarchy), however, are seeking to destroy what already exists. They’re playing offense to overthrow the system, that’s more work.



No, I’m thinking of something even more basic: The mode which the individual approaches politics. Conservatives and those on the right tend to operate in a rational mode: What works, what doesn’t work, what worked in the past or a similar situation, what results can we expect, etc. Look at the tropes we use: Gun control makes no sense, look at the crime rates in high control areas versus freer carry areas; Welfare reforms X, Y, and Z would get so many people off of the dole and thus should be persued; PPACA sucks because it will vastly increase health costs while limiting service, see, here’s how it’s done that across the globe. We argue facts, figures and outcomes and expect a well reasoned discussion to carry the day. Paul Ryan was thought to be a mighty weapon for our side because he was the “math witch”. The left wouldn’t have a chance against his mastery of facts and figures. And it wouldn’t have, although he was woefully underutilized, but in the end it just didn’t matter, because those we’re trying to convince aren’t receptive to any of that, because when act and think politically, they are in a completely different mode.



Liberals, Progs and people of the left operate in an emotional mode. Look at Alinski. Read Rules for Radicals. What are his tactics trying to accomplish? We see them and look at them as juvenile and ineffective, but we’re not the target. We’re operating in rational mode, while RfR are designed to manipulate people through their emotions. Once you realize that central fact, just about everything in the right versus left debates becomes crystal clear. Screw the facts, we need gun control because : dead children!. Welfare : Poor People! We owe them help! Compassion!. PPACA : Free healthcare for all!, right on down the line. Paul Ryan can math witch at them all he likes, in the end it doesn’t matter because facts and figures aren’t the hook that grabs them.



Thus we have the impasse, each side talking past the other because they are each approaching the issues differently. Where does this leave us? First of all, let me make clear what I am not doing: I am not dismissing those on the left as nothing more than mindless blubbering sacks of feelings, although many of them are. We’re never going to reach those people, so we shouldn’t waste our time. Alinski’s got those folks hook line and sinker, he can have them. Past that, however, the emotional mode is a perfectly valid one, emotions are as much a part of being human as reason. We need to recognize that and use it when presenting our case. There are many on the left who would be amenable to our arguments, but they never consider them because we don’t connect with them, so they don’t even hear them. They need an emotional hook to get their attention, and then they’ll consider what we’re saying. Facts and figures, the most brilliant, logically constructed proof in the world strikes these people as cold and uncaring and they tune it out. We shouldn’t abandon the reasoning process, we still have to convince those on our side to hang with us, which is why I think going the full Alinski would be a huge mistake. Yea, we might gain some of theirs, but we’ll lose more of ours who will be turned off by the vitriol. The folks on our side need to learn how to present our values, but to present them with an emotional hook to grab the attention of emotion mode voters so that they will consider our arguments on the merits. We oppose gun control because how horrible is it that so many kids had to die in Ct. because there was nobody around with the ability to defend them! And here’s how that works elsewhere…. Welfare is a system that, with the best of intentions, traps people, disproportionately minorities and immigrants, into indentured servitude to the state at best and outright slavery at the worst. This HAS to change because there’s no reason a young black boy in the inner city should be doomed to a life of poverty because of his race and a system that functionally imprisons him there for life. That’s why this policy…. 130,000 people, adults and babies, were euthanized cruelly last year by the UK’s version of the IPAB (NICE-they’re better at Orwellian acronyms than we are), couldn’t we find a couple of surviving family members bitter over this and make them the face of our arguments against Obamacare?



See people, it doesn’t have to be much. As demoralized as most of us are in the aftermath of November (and how the fuck did that happen, anyway? WTF America?), the split is still razor thin. The hardcore leftists can do their thing, they’re idiots anyway. Lost causes, all of them. The light liberals, the ones who fancy themselves “moderates”, they can be turned (to the DARK SIDE, MWAHAHAHAHA!) to our side, but we have to learn HOW to present our arguments in a flavor that is attractive to them. Those folks at least fancy themselves as "open minded", but because many of them are operating in emotional mode, a purely rational approach never makes it past their defenses. A rational argument attached to an emotional hook, OTOH, will get their attention, and once we have it their basic self image as "open minded" will in many cases make them consider our facts. If they do that, we've got 'em. Emotion is a great modivater and manipulator, it's a mile wide but only 2 inches deep. If doesn't stand a chance when matched up against reason. We have to push people deeper than that 2 inches, and the only way to do that is to get them to stick their faces in the water in the first place-by appealing to their emotions.

Posted by: Weirddave at February 17, 2013 08:53 AM (aH+zP)

39 >>>He finally went yesterday morning when the store first opened and there were over 20 people waiting.

I guess this is one advantage to living in a blue city (in a red state). No lines at the gun/ammo outlets. The blue people ain't interested. Which leaves more for me.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 17, 2013 08:54 AM (4Mv1T)

40 Even more indication that St. Hillary will run in 2016. All we need is
Jeb Bush running against her to complete the suck. And everyone will
tell us we must vote for Bush because if we don’t we will be voting for
Hillary. I’m done with that shit.

---

It would be teh complete suck. Which is why we'll probably get it. I'm done, too. Voted every election since I became eligible decades ago. I will not do it anymore. I won't vote for teh lesser suck. The R's have lost me if that's the path they continue down.

Posted by: Lady in Black at February 17, 2013 08:56 AM (ATdet)

41 >>>They can support him all they want- the guy's an ashtray.

As Rush says, "It's a beautiful thing."

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 17, 2013 08:57 AM (4Mv1T)

42 The light liberals, the ones who fancy themselves “moderates”, they can
be turned (to the DARK SIDE, MWAHAHAHAHA!) to our side, but we have to
learn HOW to present our arguments in a flavor that is attractive to
them.


I'd like to believe this is true, but I know too many Dems, as I've discussed here, who are too much like me in all their other world views and values, and yet voted for the Dog-eater in Chief, twice.

I don't see it happenin'. Just don't


Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 17, 2013 09:01 AM (4Mv1T)

43 Posted by: Weirddave at February 17, 2013 08:53 AM (aH+zP)

TLNR

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 17, 2013 09:01 AM (XW351)

44 Google planned to use a logo commemorating the close pass of asteroid 2012 DA14, but canceled it after the Russian meteor hit:

http://tinyurl.com/c575h3a

Posted by: rickl at February 17, 2013 09:01 AM (sdi6R)

45 12
More communist fallout from Obamacare. Profit margin limits???? Must be
OK because this is a tax. Perhaps we can pass a law in red States that
limits Democrat fund raising to 2 cents per year.

http://is.gd/NvEtY7

Posted by: Vic at February 17, 2013 08:34 AM (53z96)
I feel like Bruch Willis in Die Hard: "Welcome to the party, pal!" I've been a professional insurance broker for 15 years now, and when these rules were imposed on the private sector in 2011, the biggest thing they cut to meet the margins was agent pay. Obamacare cost me personally over $42,000 in income in 2011, more last year although I haven't calculated the actual number yet. Heckofajob, Barry!

Posted by: Weirddave at February 17, 2013 09:01 AM (aH+zP)

46
I don't see it happenin'. Just don't


Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 17, 2013 09:01 AM (4Mv1T)Me either!

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at February 17, 2013 09:05 AM (R8hU8)

47 Good morning!

Weirddave, you make some excellent points. All of us should be working on short statements which make our point with emotion as well as reason.

I will repeat one which I put forth yesterday:

The federal government has conspired with the universities to entrap students into perpetual indentured servitude through student loans, all to enrich the professors and administrators of universities, allowing them to live a 1% life-style while the students are sentenced to a lifetime of poverty.

What, you say the government will bail out said loans? Then you say:

The government is taking the tax money of hard-working middle class people in order to fund the 1% life style of university professors. Elizabeth Warren was paid over $300,000 to teach ONE class.

Posted by: Miss Marple at February 17, 2013 09:06 AM (GoIUi)

48 Good comment, Weirddave.

I dunno; I'm no good at persuading people with logic and reason, and I seem to lack enough empathy to appeal to their emotions.

The real problem is that the educational system has abandoned teaching logic and reason and is churning out graduates who can only be reached through emotion. All part of the plan, I'm sure. That's the real problem as I see it.

Posted by: rickl at February 17, 2013 09:07 AM (sdi6R)

49 17 days till LSAT score comes in.

Posted by: Hopeless at February 17, 2013 09:09 AM (BMEH4)

50 Say, how did that blow up a star thread go? I had to skip it. Should I be worried?

Posted by: a mindful webworker at February 17, 2013 09:11 AM (rf20m)

51 I'd like to believe this is true, but I know too many Dems, as I've
discussed here, who are too much like me in all their other world views
and values, and yet voted for the Dog-eater in Chief, twice.

I don't see it happenin'. Just don't


Yea, I know. What do you think got me thinking on the above? I had a relative flip a bitch on me as I was laying out a case for how I was going to vote "Stop trying to manipulate me!". I wasn't, but I've come to realize how she works over the last few months. She connects to issues with her feelings. She's not immune to reason, but if it isn't tied to a feeling to her it feels like being manipulated. If it is tied to a feeling-then that emotional response is what triggers a desire to "do something" about that feeling, and say, lookie here, here's a nice tight well reasoned solution, already attached. Experiment with some of those friends you mentioned. I have been and have been surprised at the results-positive where in the past my words fell on deaf ears

Posted by: Weirddave at February 17, 2013 09:11 AM (aH+zP)

52 17 days till LSAT score comes in.
Posted by: Hopeless at February 17, 2013 09:09 AM (BMEH4)

So, how do you think you did?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 17, 2013 09:12 AM (l86i3)

53 okay - for the most part, professors are not 1%ers. there are a few hotshots who are paid a lot of money, and then there are a few academic grifters like Fauxcahontas and Obama the "constitutional law professor" who are paid a lot because of their credentials or because of their position, but not because they are particularly competent or bright. The rest of the professors are paid, generally, a typical middle-class salary.

Posted by: chemjeff at February 17, 2013 09:13 AM (BBWjt)

54 The rest of the professors are paid, generally, a typical middle-class salary.
Posted by: chemjeff at February 17, 2013 09:13 AM (BBWjt)


I don't even know what middle class is anymore. I've never met a Prof from a state school that makes less than 60K.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 17, 2013 09:15 AM (l86i3)

55 Regarding persuading Dems, it's like raising a belligerent teen. There are some things that we as parents can NEVER teach them. They HAVE to learn it on there one.

Some people learn for others' mistake. Some people learn from their own mistakes, and then SOME people just never learn.

Human nature doesn't change. I see no other course than to let it burn.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 17, 2013 09:15 AM (4Mv1T)

56 now the people who DO get paid more than they are worth are university administrators. it is no surprise that as tuition inflation continues apace, universities keep adding more and more "services", each one of course requiring a staff and an Assistant Vice Chancellor to oversee it.

Posted by: chemjeff at February 17, 2013 09:15 AM (BBWjt)

57 "they're" dammit

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 17, 2013 09:15 AM (4Mv1T)

58 or "their", double dammit.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 17, 2013 09:16 AM (4Mv1T)

59 now the people who DO get paid more than they are worth are university administrators. it is no surprise that as tuition inflation continues apace, universities keep adding more and more "services", each one of course requiring a staff and an Assistant Vice Chancellor to oversee it.
Posted by: chemjeff at February 17, 2013 09:15 AM (BBWjt)

Well, CJ, how can you employ family and friends without that?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 17, 2013 09:16 AM (l86i3)

60 I don't even know what middle class is anymore. I've never met a Prof from a state school that makes less than 60K.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 17, 2013 09:15 AM (l86i3)

Profs from the larger, Tier 1 schools are paid more, generally, sure. Profs at your typical community college or state school with a regional mission are paid generally in the $40k-$50k range.

Posted by: chemjeff at February 17, 2013 09:16 AM (BBWjt)

61 I think way more attention should be focused on the universities. I intend to ask my state legislator to propose a truth in lending-type statement at the state universities. For every major, they should have to provide the following:

1. Number of graduates in that major nation-wide
2. Availability of jobs in said major
3. Average starting pay in such jobs
4. Length of time it will take student to repay loans at such starting pay

No fair counting an NFL player's salary in a degree in phys ed, either. Job reports should include only those people employed because of the degree and working in that degree field.

This would immediately start the howling of the Urban Studies departments, but that is all right. We want students to know that their urban studies degree is fine, but all it will get them is a job in a community organizing spot and a pitiful salary on which to pay off those loans.

Posted by: Miss Marple at February 17, 2013 09:17 AM (GoIUi)

62 Human nature doesn't change. I see no other course than to let it burn.

This.

Sadly.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 17, 2013 09:17 AM (XW351)

63 or "their", double dammit.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 17, 2013 09:16 AM (4Mv1T)


There there, nobody cares.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 17, 2013 09:17 AM (l86i3)

64 58 TR

"their own". Triple dammit.

Is that like a triple word score in Scrabble?

Posted by: rickl at February 17, 2013 09:18 AM (sdi6R)

65 My good friend at a big state school, Tier 1 school, he gets paid about $90k. But, he has also been a professor for about 30 years now.

Posted by: chemjeff at February 17, 2013 09:18 AM (BBWjt)

66 My good friend at a big state school, Tier 1 school, he gets paid about $90k. But, he has also been a professor for about 30 years now.

Does he teach anything useful like hard sciences or engineering?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 17, 2013 09:19 AM (XW351)

67 Human nature doesn't change. I see no other course than to let it burn.

This.

Sadly. Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 17, 2013 09:17 AM (XW351)---- We could just divorce them and start anew

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at February 17, 2013 09:19 AM (R8hU8)

68 Does he teach anything useful like hard sciences or engineering?


Yes he's also a chemistry professor.

Posted by: chemjeff at February 17, 2013 09:20 AM (BBWjt)

69
Wierd Dave-
I hate to tell you this, but I think the number of people who have the ability to reason is in a downward spiral.
Impulsivity and emotion rule.
Intra-uterine trauma during pregnancy did it for my daughter. Placental abruption. And no, I didn't take drugs or ski while I was pregnant.
The same diminished neural pathways she lacks which cause her to rely on emotion and impulse and make reasoning difficult are present in people who have been neglected, abused, or spend too much time taking in electronic stimulation ( video games, tv, computer).
There are A Lot of teens who have behavior problems due to this, and they turn into adds and voters.
Not everyone has the same ability to reason.

Posted by: Justamom of the LiB camp at February 17, 2013 09:21 AM (Sptt8)

70 Osp,

I bubbled in my name right. That's hot to be worth a few bonus points? Everyone gets a trophy for effort!

Truthfully? I have no idea.

Posted by: Hopeless at February 17, 2013 09:21 AM (j6Axb)

71 My good friend at a big state school, Tier 1 school, he gets paid about $90k. But, he has also been a professor for about 30 years now.
Posted by: chemjeff at February 17, 2013 09:18 AM (BBWjt)


The accumulated debt that is destroying kids and families generally are from those tier one schools. When I was attending a CC to get a few courses, even the poorest students were paying there own way. At Cape Fear community college the tuition was about $150 per class. The textbook they were trying to screw me into buying was $119.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 17, 2013 09:22 AM (l86i3)

72 chemjeff. I am not trying to parse salaries. Yes, I am aware most profs are paid a $40-50 thousand range salary.

HOWEVER, to a kid unemployed because he signed up for a worthless major unknowingly (because his parents were clueless and because high schools no longer teach economics or logic) that is a HUGE amount of money that many will never see. And it is true that the administrators are paid more, and for even less valuable work.

I also would remind you that university professors also make money from writing and consulting in some fields, plus they are not working 40-hour weeks in many cases, getting time off between semesters and only teaching (if at all) 1 or 2 courses in the summer.

Posted by: Miss Marple at February 17, 2013 09:22 AM (GoIUi)

73 Didn't we used to have a commenter called Rex Harrison's Hat? Whatever happened to him?

I saw a comment at NASASpaceflight.com which jogged my memory:

http://tinyurl.com/corfmad

Posted by: rickl at February 17, 2013 09:22 AM (sdi6R)

74
Uh, these kids turn into adults and voters.
Sorry

Posted by: Justamom of the LiB camp at February 17, 2013 09:23 AM (Sptt8)

75
Posted by: Miss Marple at February 17, 2013 09:17 AM (GoIUi)


that idea has a lot of merit, but part of the problem is that it can be difficult to count "jobs in a major" because lots of jobs can be filled by people with lots of different majors.
and then there is always graduate school. how is that counted?
the idea has merit, and I do think that universities need to be more honest with 18-year-olds who sign up for lots of debt with vague promises of landing a job in the future, but the details are tricky

Posted by: chemjeff at February 17, 2013 09:24 AM (BBWjt)

76 Yes he's also a chemistry professor.

I would be all for a tiered system for salary tied to average job placement stats.

If you're in hard sciences or engineering, you are training people who will move into the wider economy and then create wealth. That means $100K not only should be achievable, but relatively routine.

If you're a Womyn's Studies prof, you're creating more baristas and you deserve about $25K per year.

Bet you that we could do this and STILL cut university budgets from today's baseline.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 17, 2013 09:25 AM (XW351)

77 Bet you that we could do this and STILL cut university budgets from today's baseline.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 17, 2013 09:25 AM (XW351)

Good idea

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 17, 2013 09:25 AM (l86i3)

78 The man is dead

The man is dead

This is no joke

The man did croak

And now he’s dead

He’s breathed his last

He’s in the past

He’s lost his lease

So rest in peace

The man is dead

Posted by: Robert Byrd at February 17, 2013 09:26 AM (e8kgV)

79 I read the latest Steyn column (linked on the sidebar) this morning. It's worth a read, especially for those concerned with the "hyper-regulatory" shadow government that seems beyond legislative/electoral control.

Posted by: mrp at February 17, 2013 09:27 AM (HjPtV)

80 Good morning all

All of my voting life, I have voted the lesser of two evils, no more. If I don't respect the candidate they don't get my vote.

I agree that conservatives need to learn to make an emotional appeal as well as a logical appeal on issues.

Hopefully there are many others who can do that better than I because when people feel they are being manipulated with facts and prefer to base their thoughts on feelings, I find them ridiculous and don't hide it well.

Although, if I think about all of the "facts" they think are true, they shouldn't be putting much faith in "facts"

Which leads again to somehow getting truth to the people through some media.

/rant off

Posted by: MountainTurtle at February 17, 2013 09:28 AM (4k3Pn)

81 >>>I would be all for a tiered system for salary tied to average job placement stats.

Straight commission, or some derivative of pay for performance. Sounds silly, but seriously, it's kept me productive for 25 years. You eat what you can shoot.

Don't eat for a day or two? ...your aim improves.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 17, 2013 09:29 AM (4Mv1T)

82 Burned ou halfway thru weird Dave's thesis. What's the Cliff Notes version? Use emotion? How about sincerity? When you can fake that...

Best emotionally-driven propaganda ever starts with "We hold these truths to be self-evident...."

Posted by: a mindful webworker at February 17, 2013 09:29 AM (6B4ha)

83 #75 Yes, I know it is tricky. And grad schools do present a unique problem.

The problem with the degrees is that the kids who major in hard sciences and math pretty much are rational kids who understand where they are goign. It's the liberal arts grads who are often suckered in because they do not understand basic economics and math and also tend to be emotionally driven.

So, they get talked into undergraduate majors in things like sociology, urban studies, political science, Ukranian history, whatever, and then when they graduate they find that they can either get a job in some governmental job at low pay, or Starbucks, or Half-Price Books, OR they can borrow even MORE money to go to grad school, where again, they might be making a foolish investment.

If education is an "investment" as Obama often says, then universiities should have to issue some sort of prospectus on those degrees, just like a company has to do when selling stock.

Posted by: Miss Marple at February 17, 2013 09:30 AM (GoIUi)

84 My wife made 42 her first year as a Prof at Holy Cross. Makes more now at a State U., but she also now has 15 years experience. Education is not a field to get rich in (for 95% of educators, anyway).

Posted by: lincolntf at February 17, 2013 09:30 AM (ZshNr)

85 Straight commission, or some derivative of pay for performance.

That's basically what I am saying. If your graduates in a useful discipline are worth more in the economy, you should be paid more because you created them.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 17, 2013 09:31 AM (XW351)

86 My wife made 42 her first year as a Prof at Holy Cross.

Great school. I got in there but ended up at Providence because they were offering more aid.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 17, 2013 09:33 AM (XW351)

87 Straight commission, or some derivative of pay for performance.



That's basically what I am saying. If your graduates in a useful discipline are worth more in the economy, you should be paid more because you created them.


Very much agree.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 17, 2013 09:33 AM (4Mv1T)

88
Posted by: Miss Marple at February 17, 2013 09:22 AM (GoIUi)

Just so you know:
1. Professors, except for the real lazy ones, do work 40-hour weeks. They don't spend 40 hours per week in the classroom but they have other obligations. At the large universities, those other obligations include managing a research group and getting research funding. At the smaller universities, those other obligations include campus governance, also leading a research group (albeit smaller), and with a higher teaching load, doing more course prep work.

2. Most universities have pretty strict rules on how much a professor can be paid on "outside work". At my previous school, the rule was that I could not work more than 8 hrs/wk doing anything else except university stuff.
3. Summer teaching is considered optional for most professors because the entire country (for the most part) still follows this agrarian August-to-May academic calendar, that is also when a lot of students work summer jobs to pay for school during the year, and so there is just less demand for classes. Plus, I'll be honest, it sucks more to teach a summer class because of the accelerated pace of the class. (and the weather)

Posted by: chemjeff at February 17, 2013 09:34 AM (BBWjt)

89
"Some drinks, smokes, crappy food. Got home Sunday and couldn't wait to get back to regular eats. Took about 3 days to feel "normal""
Used to suffer the same, then switched to a diet very, very low in carbs processed foods. Amazingly, can now "hang" thru, er, debauchery that would've knocked me out 5 years ago...

Posted by: Jess1 at February 17, 2013 09:34 AM (lbiWb)

90 Marple,

How much familiarity do you have with college students?

The ability to think critically is often absent in STEM students just like others. They can think analytically. And will then turn around and promptly bash racist rethuglican KKK policies because of boosh!

Posted by: Hopeless at February 17, 2013 09:36 AM (71nnc)

91 yeah Hopeless is right, don't confuse analytical thinking with critical thinking

I know plenty of science students who are good at math but cannot critically evaluate a scientific claim

Posted by: chemjeff at February 17, 2013 09:37 AM (BBWjt)

92 Oh, my wife has had 2 pay cuts in the last 5 years, both were 1%. Real cuts, not decreases in increases. They'll hopefully make some of it up with a 2 or 3% raise at some point, but it's not on the horizon. (North Carolina public univ.).

Posted by: lincolntf at February 17, 2013 09:37 AM (ZshNr)

93 HC is a great school. I got in but didn't want to stay in my hometown, plus the aid wasn't great, so I went to Xavier.

Posted by: lincolntf at February 17, 2013 09:38 AM (ZshNr)

94 I also know plenty of science students who chose their major because "it's fun" but they have no idea what they want to do with their degrees. science students can be pretty dumb too sometimes

Posted by: chemjeff at February 17, 2013 09:38 AM (BBWjt)

95 heck, that was me when I was an undergraduate. I chose chemistry because it's fun, but I didn't have a firm grasp of what I wanted to do with my degree.

Posted by: chemjeff at February 17, 2013 09:39 AM (BBWjt)

96 17
More to come. I'm running late. 7 little girls showed up because I
promised to make pancakes for all yesterday during the snow event.



Pancake? How gauche.

Posted by: Mr Belgium Waffle at February 17, 2013 09:39 AM (wR+pz)

97 "That's basically what I am saying. If your graduates in a useful discipline are worth more in the economy, you should be paid more because you created them. "

"Useful" as defined by free markets? Or "useful" as defined by a hyper-regulatory government?

So, any ideas on why teachers unions hate charter schools?

Posted by: mrp at February 17, 2013 09:41 AM (HjPtV)

98 Posted by: lincolntf at February 17, 2013 09:38 AM (ZshNr)

You in higher ed also?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 17, 2013 09:42 AM (XW351)

99 Nope, not me. I escaped that fate.

Posted by: lincolntf at February 17, 2013 09:43 AM (ZshNr)

100 To chemjeff and Hopeless:

As you know, I am older than dirt, and my last acquaintance with a college student personally were my two nieces, who are both now graduated and employed and are in their late 20's. They were both honor students so probably not a good example.

And chemjeff, yes, I am thinking of how things were 30 years ago, when I was in school. I had professors who made money off their books, off consulting fees to local engineering companies, and did NOT work very much.

The summer teaching thing, however, means that over the course of a year professors apparently do NOT have to work for 2-3 months. So you cannot say they work a 40-hour week all year. Also, there are plenty of profs whose summer teaching consists of leading tours to Europe for those who major in languages, history, or fine arts. This is not hardship work.

Posted by: Miss Marple at February 17, 2013 09:43 AM (GoIUi)

101 College is a swindle. And yes I have a degree. Big whoop. I think only a hard science degree is worthwhile. Or history.

Posted by: USS Diversity at February 17, 2013 09:44 AM (QLJPW)

102 73 Didn't we used to have a commenter called Rex Harrison's Hat? Whatever happened to him?

I saw a comment at NASASpaceflight.com which jogged my memory:

http://tinyurl.com/corfmad


Lurk mode. Been busy.

Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at February 17, 2013 09:44 AM (O5pMc)

103 Useful" as defined by free markets? Or "useful" as defined by a hyper-regulatory government?

"Useful" as defined by the market. Those stats are easily evaluated.

I'm pretty sure the free market isn't going to value baristas more than chemical engineers in my lifetime.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 17, 2013 09:44 AM (XW351)

104 We're on the "party bus" while our fab Preezy plays some links. When Major Garrett smiles, you can see through his head. What a geek. Does my goatee have gray in it? Check this out...I'm sexting Georgie Steffy....ooops!

Posted by: Chuck Todd at February 17, 2013 09:44 AM (B14kI)

105 Bravo. I remember the day in 1989 when I accepted a
job where there was no smoking allowed in the office. My first thought
was, "I can finally kick these stinkin' cigarettes."


Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 17, 2013 08:44 AM (4Mv1T)

In the mid-80s, the Army instituted a no-moking-except-in-designated-areas policy, Our First Sergeant said that no one would tell him where to smoke. He made a sign on a 3X5 card that read "Designated Smoking Area." Whenever he wanted to smoke, he pulled out that card and displayed it.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at February 17, 2013 09:45 AM (1hekh)

106 82
Burned ou halfway thru weird Dave's thesis. What's the Cliff Notes
version? Use emotion? How about sincerity? When you can fake that...





Maybe I can appeal to your emotional side to get you to finish. I spent a lot of time on that, it was hard work. Don't you think it's callous to dismiss something that someone put so much effort into?

Posted by: Weirddave at February 17, 2013 09:45 AM (aH+zP)

107 So, any ideas on why teachers unions hate charter schools?


Posted by: mrp

I don't know about the unions, I know of some teachers that don't like charter schools because, the teachers will be stuck in a regular public school trying to teach disinterested and behavior challenged paste eaters the curriculum the state demands, with no bright spot in the room at all.

Posted by: Bruce at February 17, 2013 09:45 AM (kWnMH)

108 When evaluating how to address cultural problems, addressing the universities seems like quite a challenge.

I think a big component to addressing the problems of universities is to be found in:

1)advancing the cause of charter schools on the state level

2) addressing the lack of v-tech at the high school level

I am of the opinion that everyone, male/female, college-bound or not, should learn a useful trade in high school. The above will start chipping away at the university problems, as well as other cultural issues, improve employment, and teach children greater personal responsibility.

Posted by: Hopeless at February 17, 2013 09:46 AM (g8+Vr)

109 Don't you think it's callous to dismiss something that someone put so much effort into?

No.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 17, 2013 09:47 AM (XW351)

110 I guess this is one advantage to living in a blue
city (in a red state). No lines at the gun/ammo outlets. The blue people
ain't interested. Which leaves more for me.


Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 17, 2013 08:54 AM (4Mv1T)

Yeah, but living in Orange county has to suck.
Gun show in CLT was so full fire marshal stopped letting people in. There were still 700 people in line and a mile long back up of cars trying to get into the parking lot.There were lots of Bubbas trying to unload their AK's. Momma needs money and the stupid gun has to go. They all think their gun is worth twice what they paid for it.


Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 17, 2013 09:47 AM (wR+pz)

111 >>Pancake? How gauche.

Mmm...ganache on pancakes.

Posted by: Mama AJ, Assault Poiser at February 17, 2013 09:48 AM (SUKHu)

112
Maybe I can appeal to your emotional side to get
you to finish. I spent a lot of time on that, it was hard work. Don't
you think it's callous to dismiss something that someone put so much
effort into?




Posted by: Weirddave at February 17, 2013 09:45 AM (aH+zP)


Well, actually no. Buck up, it's a tough world.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 17, 2013 09:49 AM (wR+pz)

113
So, any ideas on why teachers unions hate charter schools?
Posted by: mrp at February 17, 2013 09:41 AM (HjPtV)


Because they're merit-based.

Posted by: ChampionCapua at February 17, 2013 09:49 AM (KZi9D)

114 the pay-for-performance idea is interesting

one argument against it as it applies to higher ed, though, is that universities, in the current model, don't really engage in job training per se, it is about educating an individual so as to realize his/her potential.

there is a place for the skills-based type of education, and that is definitely underserved currently in higher ed. it would be a good experiment to try to have two tracks of higher ed: one that is more technical/skills-based, and one that is based on the traditional liberal arts education model. one of our enterprising red states may want to try this.

Posted by: chemjeff at February 17, 2013 09:49 AM (BBWjt)

115 I think Barky has dreamy eyes. Huuh? Joe Klein is sitting next to him?

Gasp!

Posted by: Wolf Blitzer at February 17, 2013 09:49 AM (B14kI)

116 Well, I gotta go. Another House showing. Goody, Later rons.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 17, 2013 09:51 AM (l86i3)

117 73 Didn't we used to have a commenter called Rex Harrison's Hat? Whatever happened to him?

Hey rickl, the commenter on the NASA site responded to one of my tweets about the B612 Foundation. Apparently he didn't want to donate to their asteroid sentinel project without receiving credit. The foundation responded also stating they are working on that.

I donated. You get your name on a microchip on the satellite & hopefully help usher in early detection of SMODlings.

Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at February 17, 2013 09:51 AM (O5pMc)

118 in the current model, don't really engage in job training per se, it is about educating an individual so as to realize his/her potential.

Yeah, but the short, smart-ass rejoinder to that is - having a job instead of sucking on the government tit is "realizing one's potential."

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 17, 2013 09:52 AM (XW351)

119
"Don't you think it's callous to dismiss something that someone put so much effort into"
YGTBKM, or "no" #4.
Seriously, though - there is no intellectual persuit better served by increased verbage. Learn to be concise, then cut another 10%.

Posted by: Jess1 at February 17, 2013 09:52 AM (lbiWb)

120 Vic mentioned the Piedmont of SC and NC got an unexpected two inches of snow yesterday afternoon.

It is really pretty and wasn't enough to mess up the roads, also came suddenly so the newspaper and TV guys couldn't talk about it.

It's still cold, so it will be around till tomorrow.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 17, 2013 09:52 AM (wR+pz)

121 A 5 mile stretch of road nearby has a lot of BUY HERE PAY HERE type used car lots. It is Route 12. A recent comment in our local fish wrap someone wrote regarding the SOTU speech Tuesday;

If I want to be lied to for an hour, I'll go to Route 12 and buy a car.

Posted by: Bruce at February 17, 2013 09:52 AM (kWnMH)

122 Wow. Scanning the list of classic movies in the Criterion Collection. Many I'd not heard of, many old favorites that need revisiting and some I've never gotten around to viewing. Very impressive .

Posted by: Tuna at February 17, 2013 09:52 AM (M/TDA)

123 yeah, the 'learning a useful trade in highschool' thing is a good idea as well

sometimes I wonder what kids actually *do* in highschool. by time they get to me, they seem pretty dumb.

Posted by: chemjeff at February 17, 2013 09:53 AM (BBWjt)

124 sometimes I wonder what kids actually *do* in highschool. by time they get to me, they seem pretty dumb.

But they got that whole condom on a banana thing down cold.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 17, 2013 09:54 AM (XW351)

125 "... I chose chemistry because it's fun, but I didn't have a firm grasp of what I wanted to do with my degree." - chemjeff

At least what you found fun was useful in the real world.

My original major had to do with the idea that a future network of computers would totally change all our patterns of work, home, travel, education, and commerce. True. But so what? Fortunately, I was forced to change that to English... right before I dropped out.

Posted by: a mindful webworker at February 17, 2013 09:55 AM (Jh9QN)

126 OK. I'm all moved in now. What a fucking pain in the ass this one was. My commute to work will now be just a ten minute walk. To make up for that I will start and leave my car idling for 8 hours on Monday thru Friday and for 4 hours on Saturday. Doing my part to for you folks up north in the cold.

Posted by: Prepositions Fists and Nachos at February 17, 2013 09:55 AM (RSPPF)

127 We need a cricket bat ban.

Posted by: Tmitsss at February 17, 2013 09:56 AM (oMAbH)

128 Since I am on a cranky education rant, I might as well go after public schools, ttoo.

We have gone about this all wrong. Education is a privilege and should be something that parents feel grateful to have. Since logic doesn't appeal to a lot of parents, we need a massive change in their feelings about school.

We need to make it one of those things kids see as being in the "in crowd" (or whatever the current phrasing is). So we tell parents "We don't know if your child is going to fit in with the cool people at this school, where ANY DAY NOW Beyonce might make a guest appearance, or Kim Kardashian might show up to give fashion tips. We also have NFL players coming to observe our economics class looking for tips on managing their money and a basketball camp we run for A students taught by our local Big 10 school. So we cannot have un-cool kids at this jazzy school, but we will give your kid a try. If he doesn't meet our standards, however, he will be out and you will NOT get to meet Beyonce."

Posted by: Miss Marple at February 17, 2013 09:56 AM (GoIUi)

129 120
Snow in SC is always a time for kids rejoicing. The fact that snow removal and road clearing is never budgeted for usually means no school and a chance to do things southern kids normally don't get a chance to do.

Posted by: Tuna at February 17, 2013 09:56 AM (M/TDA)

130 I will say that the notion that all teachers are out there trying to pump socialist dogma into kids' heads is false.

Posted by: USS Diversity at February 17, 2013 09:56 AM (QLJPW)

131
"sometimes I wonder what kids actually *do* in highschool"
Let's see; the weekly "anti bullying" program, the "self assessment" initiative in several "majors", "self discovery" activities in the "hard" sciences mathematics, mandatory "arts" education, .... shall I continue (FWIW, this is FFaX county, VA)

Posted by: Jess1 at February 17, 2013 09:56 AM (lbiWb)

132 >>>Yeah, but living in Orange county has to suck.

Indeed it would. I guess they are the one firearms exception county in our 100 counties, what with their registration requirements and all. I'm next door in Wake Cty.

They all think their gun is worth twice what they paid for it.

I was looking on Carolinashootersclub.com yesterday and surprised to see that the few ARs for sale were priced surprisingly reasonably....and SOLD.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 17, 2013 09:57 AM (4Mv1T)

133
Posted by: Miss Marple at February 17, 2013 09:43 AM (GoIUi)

I don't know what academia was like in the "good old days", I am sure the system was rigged and abused by unscrupulous professors. I can only tell you now that there are limits to what professors can do with their own time, and there are also limits to the royalties that they can get from their own students from the textbooks that they assign (either they just don't get the royalty, or there is some fixed limit, not a per-student amount).

Yeah, profs tend not to work 40 hr weeks in the summer. It is a big perk of the job, I gotta say. But it isn't a 3-month vacation either.

Posted by: chemjeff at February 17, 2013 09:57 AM (BBWjt)

134 Chemjeff,

A number of "Classical" schools have sprung up in recent years, both k-12 and college. By this I mean the rigorous classic model, think to the emails you'll sometimes see of the 8th grade or college admissions exams that were administered in the year 1900 (not the modern bullshit of a 2 page essay on your feelings!)

They have primarily been Catholic. At the collegiate level, if you get a business degree, you get it in addition to the whole liberal arts (classical version) curriculum.

Unsurprisingly, the results are stunning. Thomas Aquinas college, Christondom college, and others, come to mind.

Posted by: Hopeless at February 17, 2013 09:57 AM (HPNED)

135 I will say that the notion that all teachers are out there trying to pump socialist dogma into kids' heads is false

Not "all". That's true.

But the evidence runs in that general direction.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 17, 2013 09:58 AM (XW351)

136 Jess1

Did you do the low carb for weight loss? I've tried to do it, and just find out that after about a week, I can't look another egg in the face.

Posted by: Bruce at February 17, 2013 09:59 AM (kWnMH)

137 Actually I think the rule here on royalties is that the student is refunded back the amount of the royalty that the professor would have received.

Posted by: chemjeff at February 17, 2013 10:00 AM (BBWjt)

138 Chemjeff,

I am a wee bit radical and think that the government has no place in education- it should all be private.

However I am a realist and work with things they way they are. For a long time, the purpose of K-12 education was college. "Our students must be college ready". Finally there is acknowledgement that not all students should go to college and the purpose of K-12 is college or career ready.

A change for the better in my opinion.

Posted by: MountainTurtle at February 17, 2013 10:00 AM (4k3Pn)

139 Most profs aren't the howling Socialists that the stereotype implies, but the ones who are are very, very powerful. Those types thrive in bureaucracies and thus rise to the top. Plus they are all loud mouths who make themselves available as "experts" whenever the local rag needs to pump up a Lefty talking point. Smart profs ignore the shriekers the best they can but it's not easy.

Posted by: lincolntf at February 17, 2013 10:01 AM (ZshNr)

140
But the evidence runs in that general direction. Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 17, 2013 09:58 AM (XW351)
----------------------
It might be regional. Big blue cities, places like that.

Posted by: USS Diversity at February 17, 2013 10:02 AM (QLJPW)

141 Those types thrive in bureaucracies and thus rise to the top

And you can read all about why that is so in Chapter 10 (or maybe it's 11) of The Road to Serfdom.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 17, 2013 10:02 AM (XW351)

142 Most profs aren't the howling Socialists that the stereotype implies, but the ones who are are very, very powerful.


yup - the profs who tend to be "campus leaders" are invariably either from the English, psychology or sociology departments. you will almost never see a physics or mathematics professor as president of the faculty senate.

Posted by: chemjeff at February 17, 2013 10:03 AM (BBWjt)

143 It might be regional. Big blue cities, places like that.

I'd agree with that.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 17, 2013 10:03 AM (XW351)

144 "Indeed it would. I guess they are the one firearms exception county in
our 100 counties, what with their registration requirements and all. I'm
next door in Wake Cty. "

Nope. NC has a state preemption law on the books. No carve out for Orange County.

Posted by: mrp at February 17, 2013 10:03 AM (HjPtV)

145 {{{Mountain Turtle}}}
Welcome back!!!

Posted by: teej at February 17, 2013 10:04 AM (XXIrM)

146 Marple, others,

This is a topic where phraseology is important, otherwise alienation occurs.

"I feel that education of children is too important to give the government a monopoly over it? Do you trust the government? No? Then shouldn't you feel this way too?"

Posted by: Hopeless at February 17, 2013 10:04 AM (VIo0S)

147 I will say that the notion that all teachers are out there trying to pump socialist dogma into kids' heads is false.

"Only most of em, and all it takes is most of em."

Posted by: Breakfast Cartman at February 17, 2013 10:04 AM (6YLIm)

148 >>>NC has a state preemption law on the books/

Explain please. I'm unfamiliar with this.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 17, 2013 10:05 AM (4Mv1T)

149 I am a wee bit radical and think that the government has no place in education- it should all be private.

in my black libertarian soul, I agree with you.

Finally there is acknowledgement that not all students should go to college and the purpose of K-12 is college or career ready.

definitely agree there. I don't want more dunderheads in my classes who are just wasting everyone's time.


Posted by: chemjeff at February 17, 2013 10:05 AM (BBWjt)

150
"Only most of em, and all it takes is most of em."


Not even that, where I live.

Posted by: USS Diversity at February 17, 2013 10:05 AM (QLJPW)

151 Hey ya {{teej}}

Posted by: MountainTurtle at February 17, 2013 10:05 AM (4k3Pn)

152 definitely agree there. I don't want more dunderheads in my classes who are just wasting everyone's time.



Posted by: chemjeff

That's the problem teachers have with the K-12 classes also. On top of that you have the parents who just can't understand why their little darling is getting C's in class.

Posted by: Bruce at February 17, 2013 10:07 AM (kWnMH)

153 Gonna just sit back here now. Drink my coffee and get schooled.

Posted by: teej at February 17, 2013 10:08 AM (XXIrM)

154
"Did you do the low carb for weight loss? I've tried to do it, and just find out that after about a week, I can't look another egg in the face"
That, and a general malaise of various blood levels plus a real drop in physical capability (I volunteer @ baseball coach @ 90' field). Gotta agree @ the egg thing - as much as I like them, well...
Shifted to more meats green veggies, dropped the bread w/every meal, no cereals/grains, and rediscovered the frying pan. FWIW, check out "maggies farm" - lot's of good food info (along w/good politics) there.

Posted by: Jess1 at February 17, 2013 10:08 AM (lbiWb)

155 Watching this thing about US Grant's last days. His cottage is on the grounds of a prison. He drank cocaine water for the pain from throat cancer, some of it is still there and they measure it yearly to make sure nobody's snorting the sediment.

Posted by: USS Diversity at February 17, 2013 10:09 AM (QLJPW)

156 126
OK. I'm all moved in now. What a fucking pain in the ass this one was.
My commute to work will now be just a ten minute walk. To make up for
that I will start and leave my car idling for 8 hours on Monday thru
Friday and for 4 hours on Saturday. Doing my part to for you folks up
north in the cold.

Posted by: Prepositions Fists and Nachos at February 17, 2013 09:55 AM (RSPPF)

Hey! Thanks for that. I'm a wee bit tired of my morning temps leading off with a minus sign. Global warming...how does it work?

Posted by: Muad'dib - Bringer of Cookies at February 17, 2013 10:09 AM (SCTXH)

157 MRP, and Billy Bob - I misspoke. Not Orange County, but Durham County.

This from the NC Rifle and Pistol Assoc website.

"There is no NC state law that requires you to register your firearms, or notify any public official. One county in NC requires its residents to register handguns - Durham County. This power was granted to Durham County by the State Legislature. No other counties or localities are permitted to require registration."

MRP- Has this changed?

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 17, 2013 10:10 AM (4Mv1T)

158 Did you do the low carb for weight loss? I've tried
to do it, and just find out that after about a week, I can't look
another egg in the face.


Posted by: Bruce at February 17, 2013 09:59 AM (kWnMH)


Never eat eggs alone, add a side of bacon, fry some country ham, then fry onions and green peppers in the bacon grease to make an omelet!
You won't miss the biscuits!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 17, 2013 10:11 AM (Cnqmv)

159 " Don't you think it's callous to dismiss something that someone put so much effort into?"

My mama allus said, value is as value does.

I got bored, not because it wasn't well said but because I've read it all 100 times before. I was serious asking for the concise solution.

I had a relative into the Divine Light Mission cult in the 70s. Neither reason nor emotion can counter LOYALTY. That's what we're facing: in-cult-uration. Deprogramming is a delicate art, and like people quitting smoking, the only real effective technique is deciding to quit. Whatever that takes. Usually something traumatic & personal.

Also; theoretically, I've had a website for a decade and a half and I've never had hardly any feedback to all my profound pontifications. If you're getting on stage, be prepared to be booed. But somebody else is lurking, but appreciative. So keep on singing!

Posted by: a mindful webworker at February 17, 2013 10:11 AM (izPgb)

160 #146 Well of course, I do not feel that the government should have a monopoly in education. However, you need to understand what we are dealing with, or you miss the mark.

1. The government IS involved in land-grant colleges. These would be places like Purdue University, as well as all state supported-universities and public schools in the K-12 area.

2. Most Americans, due to clever propaganda over the years, do not see their schools as being part of The Government. Suburban and rural people see these schools as an extension of their home life, as sources of activities for their kids, as social gathering places for high school football and basketball, etc. So the FEELING about those schools isn't on a par with how people FEEL about the IRS.

3. If you want government out of suburban and rural schools, you will have to neutralize the teachers' unions and get parents PO'd about how the government is keeping local schools from doing good things in order to waste kids' time with mandated useless programs or starving them with Michelle's lunches.

Posted by: Miss Marple at February 17, 2013 10:15 AM (GoIUi)

161 no, it's true that profs for the most part don't start each day with their Little Red Book of Marx and see what chapter and verse they are going to try to indoctrinate into students each day.

BUT, the problem is, Marxism is now a standard part of the curriculum in many subject. hell, just look at the connection between Marxism and deconstructionism.

Posted by: chemjeff at February 17, 2013 10:16 AM (BBWjt)

162 When I had my heart attack I was smoking 3 - 4 packs a day. I quit smoking cold turkey. What I found was that you had to treat smoking the same way you treat excessive drinking.


That first week you want a cigarette every hour. You have to say no, I'm quitting and I will not have a cigarette this hour. I'll wait a while.


After a week you say I'll go to next day before I have one. Then later next week and so on.


And after 6 years I still have an urge for a cigarette every now and then. You NEVER get over it completely.

Posted by: Vic at February 17, 2013 10:16 AM (53z96)

163 Summary of NC firearms statutes and regulations (NRA-ILA)

http://preview.tinyurl.com/cnyfe8

"All regulation of firearms or ammunition is reserved to the state legislature"

Posted by: mrp at February 17, 2013 10:16 AM (HjPtV)

164 Education is a collection of products and services.

It should be conducted via private enterprise.

The Market will sort out cost and quality.

Posted by: eman at February 17, 2013 10:16 AM (NekHM)

165 In college I knew (in the Biblical sense) a very wealthy, very hot trust funder who was a moonie. This was after she dabbled in Buddhism and Wiccanism,

She liked to be bent over the desk ( in the Biblical sense), so it didn't matter much to me

Posted by: Albie Damned at February 17, 2013 10:18 AM (Yhu4q)

166 Never eat eggs alone, add a side of bacon, fry some
country ham, then fry onions and green peppers in the bacon grease to
make an omelet!
You won't miss the biscuits!


Posted by: Hrothgar

I was never a fan of biscuits. I preferred toast of some sort. I don't eat it much anymore. I love all of the meats, but they wear thin after a bit. Onions and green peppers fight with my stomach. I've tried to eat some other things, but I guess I want an apricot danish with my coffee. No, I don't eat that either.

I know, put on my big boy bib and get on with life, and quit my whining and trying to blame it on others...But I'm an American dammit....it's got to be someones fault.


Jess1, thanks for the maggies farm link. Looks like an interesting read.

Posted by: Bruce at February 17, 2013 10:19 AM (kWnMH)

167 For what it is worth, I believe that we are missing the act that an increasing percentage of the American populace is just plain freaking stupid. Part of this is due to the education "establishment" charter to foster the lowest common denominator, part is due to the welfare environment that permits you to live far better than the "middle class" of 1900s America did but without lifting a finger except to sign the EBT application, and part is due to the betrayal of bona fide US citizens by the amnesty crowd ensuring that we are overwhelmed by illegal aliens that don't speak our language, don't care about our history or culture, are put in the front of the government teat line, and don't need to assimilate to survive.

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 17, 2013 10:19 AM (Cnqmv)

168 MRP-

"One county in NC requires its residents to register handguns - Durham
County. This power was granted to Durham County by the State
Legislature."

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 17, 2013 10:19 AM (4Mv1T)

169 If the media spent one tenth of the time reporting on Teacher's Union members who molest kids as they do with the Catholic Church, the school as "home" mindset would disappear pretty fast. Of course the only stories they report on are hot blondes porking nearly grown men, which elicits thumbs up and chuckles from the public. Let's see the countless dirty old men paraded out of their schools on a daily basis.

Posted by: lincolntf at February 17, 2013 10:19 AM (ZshNr)

170 Marple,

I do not disagree.

I was merely providing phrasing that has been very useful for me, in making conservative converts to this particular matter.

Posted by: Hopeless at February 17, 2013 10:19 AM (Hi24w)

171
She liked to be bent over the desk

--------------------------------------------------
to study? Did it make for better grades?

Posted by: USS Diversity at February 17, 2013 10:20 AM (QLJPW)

172 >>And after 6 years I still have an urge for a cigarette every now and then. You NEVER get over it completely.


Posted by: Vic at February 17, 2013 10:16 AM (53z96)

Have you cheated and tried one recently? I'm an ex-smoker, but having one now would make me light-headed and nauseated. They're not as fun as they used to be

Posted by: Albie Damned at February 17, 2013 10:21 AM (Yhu4q)

173 The summer teaching thing, however, means that over the course of a year professors apparently do NOT have to work for 2-3 months. So you cannot say they work a 40-hour week all year. Also, there are plenty of profs whose summer teaching consists of leading tours to Europe for those who major in languages, history, or fine arts. This is not hardship work.
Posted by: Miss Marple at February 17, 2013 09:43 AM (GoIUi)
In the research lab science never quits, so we worked through the summer regardless. Hell I even worked Thanksgiving morning one year (when the lab presents an opportunity you don't let it go to waste just because you like turkey.)Even in my new field of bioethics, most professors spend the summer either a) refining their courses or b) working on grants.Most of them are on 12 month contracts now. Except for 2 people 1) The former department chair who loves his 9 month contract because it gives him 3 months to work on whatever project he wants.2) The Current Vice-Chair who loves to rock climb and literally goes off the grid for those 3 months to various places (last year was Mt. Reiner). He loves his field, but he loves his rock climbing too, so basically he stockpiles those 3 months as vacation and takes the pay cut that comes with a 9 month contract.

Posted by: tsrblke at February 17, 2013 10:22 AM (GaqMa)

174 >>>You NEVER get over it completely.

Vic- For me that was true for a very long time. Quit in '89. Toyed with some other tobacco products for a few years, pipes, cigars. But didn't inhale those. Craved tobacco for about 10-15 years. It finally went away completely maybe 8-10 years ago.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 17, 2013 10:22 AM (4Mv1T)

175 She liked to be bent over the desk

okay, now I know I'm at the HQ.

a discussion of education turns into the very serious subject of hot coeds 'earning extra credit' while bent over the teacher's desk

Posted by: chemjeff at February 17, 2013 10:22 AM (BBWjt)

176 169,

Very true.

The rise in home schooling in recent years has been dramatic, especially in black communities. This is also unreported.

Posted by: Hopeless at February 17, 2013 10:22 AM (j6Axb)

177 117
Hey rickl, the commenter on the NASA site responded to one of my tweets about the B612 Foundation. Apparently he didn't want to donate to their asteroid sentinel project without receiving credit. The foundation responded also stating they are working on that.

I donated. You get your name on a microchip on the satellite & hopefully help usher in early detection of SMODlings.

Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at February 17, 2013 09:51 AM (O5pMc)


Hi! Glad I got you to delurk momentarily.

I don't use Twitter, so I don't know how the tags work. I thought that might be you at NSF.com. (I mostly lurk there myself.)

That's a great site for space buffs. I mentioned it in yesterday's morning thread.

http://minx.cc/?blog=86&post=337604#c20208058

Posted by: rickl at February 17, 2013 10:22 AM (sdi6R)

178 Have you cheated and tried one recently? I'm an
ex-smoker, but having one now would make me light-headed and nauseated.
They're not as fun as they used to be


Posted by: Albie Damned at February 17, 2013 10:21 AM (Yhu4q)


No. If you do that sooner or later you will be back to 4 packs a day.

Posted by: Vic at February 17, 2013 10:23 AM (53z96)

179 If the media spent one tenth of the time reporting
on Teacher's Union members who molest kids as they do with the Catholic
Church, the school as "home" mindset would disappear pretty fast. Of
course the only stories they report on are hot blondes porking nearly
grown men, which elicits thumbs up and chuckles from the public. Let's
see the countless dirty old men paraded out of their schools on a daily
basis.

Posted by: lincolntf at February 17, 2013 10:19 AM (ZshNr)


Those cocksuckers count on the feelings of confusion and misplaced shame on the part of the children to keep the parents from raising complete hell on this. Fuck that shit. Rope, lampposts, pervs, union enablers and MFM; some assembly required.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 17, 2013 10:24 AM (Vo6Ep)

180 So the Devil Made a Politician

http://tinyurl.com/ajymuzn

"So on the ninth day the devil looked up and said 'How do I destroy God's planned paradise? I need a person with no morals.' So the Devil made a politician."

'I need somebody with his hand out, and a what have you done for me lately attitude;' so the Devil made a politician."

'I need somebody willing to sit up all night with a lobbyist or a hooker eating great meals and drinking fine wines,' so the Devil made a politician."

'I need somebody that can look you in the eye and with a straight face outright lie to you,' so the Devil made a politician.

"I need somebody that can send your sons and daughters off to war without thinking of the consequences and be able to go home and sleep at night.' so the devil made a politician."

'I need someone that can tax hard work and create fees and obstacles, so the lazy or unwilling can live a good life,' so the Devil made a politician.

"But thankfully, God not only made the farmer he (she) also made the teacher, soldier, carpenter, mason, fireman and all the other hard-working good people to keep the devil and his minions in check."

God bless America and the people that make it great.

Tom O'Brien, President CD Fruit and Vegetable Co.

Bradenton


Posted by: kbdabear at February 17, 2013 10:25 AM (mCvL4)

181 Hrothgar these people are, for the most part, not stupid. They are ignorant or lazy, or a combination of both.

You can ask your average college freshman who John Adams, Alexander Hamilton, and Nikolai Tesla are and you will get a blank stare.

Ask them to name all the Kardashian sisters and their current husbands or boyfriends, along with their favorite designers, and the girls will know. Ask the boys to recount Jay-Z's life story or the top 5 scorers in the NFL and they will know that.

So it's not that they cannot learn (stupid) but it is what they choose to learn.

Similarly, many EBT holders know to the penny how much they can earn and not lose that card, plus they know every single freebie the government provides in a variety of programs which many of us do not know even exist. Again, not stupid. They choose to ignore the method of earning money through gainful employment and have opted for the career path of government leeching, at which they are quite skilled.

Posted by: Miss Marple at February 17, 2013 10:25 AM (GoIUi)

182
"I preferred toast of some sort. "
Same here. Had to cut that back, but I now don't hold back on the real butter, so that's a plus.
When I say "fry", I mean the old fashioned way - modest even heat w/real fats (no "sprays" or "spreads") in cast iron. Frankly, I was shocked at how much better food tasted after years of "Pam" and "nonstick" cookware, which allows one to overcook/nearly burn/ruin the taste of nearly everything. I'd also add that I've found I can handle the spicy/strong foods again...

Posted by: Jess1 at February 17, 2013 10:26 AM (lbiWb)

183 And after 6 years I still have an urge for a cigarette every now and then. You NEVER get over it completely.


Posted by: Vic at February 17, 2013 10:16 AM (53z96)

I still remember a friend's graphic description of his craving for a cigarette after having quit for months. He said "Every morning I wake up thinking about smoking a cigarette 6 inches in diameter and a yard long!"

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 17, 2013 10:26 AM (Cnqmv)

184 "Useful" as defined by the market. Those stats are easily evaluated.

Stats in which "perfomance arts" graduates out-earn and are less unemployed than math majors are. Only sociology professors, whatever jackoffs train the girl at the office who makes your desk layout "ergonomic," and _______ Studies professors (who supply a rapidly expanding bureaucracy) would qualify for livable salaries.

I support this cunning plan.

...

I'm pretty sure the free market isn't going to value baristas more than chemical engineers in my lifetime.

Not individually. But categorically it already does. And it's right.

Posted by: oblig. at February 17, 2013 10:26 AM (cePv8)

185
So on Vic's note about the exchanges.

I'm still totally lost on those. What exactly makes an insurance exchange different from "ehealthinsurance.com" (or whatever it is, it's run by Allstate).

It seems to me it's just a consolidation of the various providers on a website. Except we already have this (The market has provided it! Shocking I know.)
Heck, I think my car/homeowners insurance agent also will do health insurance if I asked.
So why do we need the Gov'ment to step and offer a basically competing service? I never thought it was strange that the "Conservative" states are opting out. They'll have 0 authority but still bear much of the cost. Better to tell the Federal Government "you created this monstrosity, you pay for it."

Posted by: tsrblke at February 17, 2013 10:26 AM (GaqMa)

186 OK, Karate Kid's mom was a MILF

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 17, 2013 10:28 AM (8sCoq)

187 177 117

And the B612 Foundation does indeed give recognition for donations.

http://b612foundation.org/donate/

Posted by: rickl at February 17, 2013 10:28 AM (sdi6R)

188 Miss Lindsey was on FNS; just like his buddy McRINO, as the election gets nearer he increasingly acts conservative which belies nearly every fucking vote he ever casts while feeling safe in office.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 17, 2013 10:28 AM (Vo6Ep)

189 It looks like Durham still has a hand gun registration law in effect - for now. The libs in Orange worked hard for local regulation of firearms in the mid-90s, but the (then) newly-passed state preemption statute stopped them.

Posted by: mrp at February 17, 2013 10:29 AM (HjPtV)

190 electing new Pope = March Madness

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 17, 2013 10:30 AM (8sCoq)

191 Vic, Mom smoked from 17 til ~70. Her 2nd husband, non-smoker, lived with lung cancer for years, but she puffed through it all fine. Then she got a bad cough one day, thought it was something worse, and quit cold. Like you, she says she still wants one, but her Will of Iron has never weakened. She's breathing fine now at 92.... and I thank God every day for that day she quit.

I knew she was heading toward quitting the day she said, "I know I have a drug problem." That definition changed everything. She grew up when smoking was glam, but she was NOT going to have a drug problem!

Posted by: a mindful webworker at February 17, 2013 10:30 AM (u57y4)

192 >>Did you do the low carb for weight loss? I've tried

to do it, and just find out that after about a week, I can't look

another egg in the face.

I gained about 25 lbs after being laid up. I tried Atkins. It worked a bit, but it was too limiting in what you can take in. It wasn't fun eating the same stuff all the time. I like beef...but jeez

I then just decided to cut out breads and sugars, and go ahead with the fruits and veggies. This actually worked better for m



Posted by: Albie Damned at February 17, 2013 10:31 AM (Yhu4q)

193 electing new Pope = March Madness
Posted by: Jones in CO at February 17, 2013 10:30 AM (8sCoq)
Oh that's great, so I get a two-fer of fun this March (3 if you count my birthday.)But my TV only supports 4 channels at a time! I guess I'll have to stream Popewatch on the internet (or just let go the crappiest basketball game.)

Posted by: tsrblke at February 17, 2013 10:31 AM (GaqMa)

194 I will say that the notion that all teachers are out there trying to pump socialist dogma into kids' heads is false.
Posted by: USS Diversity at February 17, 2013 09:56 AM (QLJPW)


Well that's true, I lost my Middle school teaching job cause I wouldn't do it.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 17, 2013 10:31 AM (l86i3)

195 106
Maybe I can appeal to your emotional side to
get you to finish. I spent a lot of time on that, it was hard work.
Don't you think it's callous to dismiss something that someone put so
much effort into?


-----------

The labor theory of value? What are you, a godless commie?

Posted by: Assault Citizen Anachronda at February 17, 2013 10:32 AM (1c58W)

196 get your brackets ready

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 17, 2013 10:33 AM (8sCoq)

197 >>Well that's true, I lost my Middle school teaching job cause I wouldn't do it.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 17, 2013 10:31 AM (l86i3)

Think offering to teach the tweeners how to put a condom on a banana using nothing but their mouths would ave saved your job?

Posted by: Albie Damned at February 17, 2013 10:34 AM (Yhu4q)

198 Holy shit; fat fuck Rove is on the FNS panel and they just played Mark Levin's rant on him. Rove is backtracking furiously on slamming the Tea Party.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 17, 2013 10:34 AM (Vo6Ep)

199
Greetin's and salutin's, y'all.

It's way too cold down here to be screwed today, but screwed we are.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 17, 2013 10:35 AM (+z4pE)

200 http://tinyurl.com/aftyspf The Price of Your Food and Fuel is going up, thanks to Jon Corzine

Posted by: pointsnfigures at February 17, 2013 10:35 AM (MOSsR)

201 Think offering to teach the tweeners how to put a condom on a banana using nothing but their mouths would ave saved your job?
Posted by: Albie Damned at February 17, 2013 10:34 AM (Yhu4q)


No, but refusing to pass out Obama for Pres pencils and folders as a reward. Refusing to manipulate grades, refusing to use pilfered state exam materials,, and on and on....

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 17, 2013 10:35 AM (l86i3)

202 >>Posted by: Captain Hate at February 17, 2013 10:34 AM (Vo6Ep)

Shit...but I did get to surprisingly see McShame take David Gregory to the woodshed

Posted by: Albie Damned at February 17, 2013 10:36 AM (Yhu4q)

203 instead of putting corn in our gas tanks, we should be putting it in hungry kids' bellies

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 17, 2013 10:36 AM (8sCoq)

204
Well that's true, I lost my Middle school teaching job cause I wouldn't do it.Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 17, 2013 10:31 AM (l86i3)
=====

What happened?

Posted by: USS Diversity at February 17, 2013 10:36 AM (QLJPW)

205 #198 GOOD! I am sick of him.

I know Christine O'Donnell was a long-shot candidate, but once she WAS the candidate, he should not have attacked her for 3 whole days. That STILL makes me mad, as well as his cavalier admission in his book that he was the one who told Bush to ignore the dem charges that Bush had lied.

Damn, when I read that I bet blood shot out my eye-balls, I was so mad.


Posted by: Miss Marple at February 17, 2013 10:37 AM (GoIUi)

206 So our esteemed Commander-in-Chief has us engaged in wars raging on three continents, what the latest word from the links? Did he learn to compensate for that wicked slice?

Posted by: Fritz at February 17, 2013 10:37 AM (WM+rJ)

207 @Albie Damned, watch your portion size. Also, lift weights. Get your muscle mass up. Then when you are at rest, you will naturally burn more calories.

Also, watch how much you drink.......

I lost 30 a year ago. Took 10 weeks or so. You can lose 2lbs per week and not miss food.

Posted by: pointsnfigures at February 17, 2013 10:37 AM (MOSsR)

208
Holy shit; fat fuck Rove is on the FNS panel and they just played Mark Levin's rant on him. Rove is backtracking furiously on slamming the Tea Party.

If Rove hasn't heard it by now, I'd take that to mean he's not familiar with him. And if he's not familiar with Levin, that pretty much means Rove doesn't keep up with contemporary conservative thoughtmeisters.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 17, 2013 10:37 AM (+z4pE)

209 >>to pass out Obama for Pres pencils and folders as a reward.

Seriously...they tried to get you to do that?????

Posted by: Albie Damned at February 17, 2013 10:38 AM (Yhu4q)

210 Just had McDonald's premium roast coffee. There was a coupon in the paper. It sucks! Other than being hot, it was waaaaay too bitter! Also had their bacon egg and cheese biscuit(a twofor coupon). As Dennis Miller said years ago, "two of sh!t is sh!t. if they really wanted to f#ck you, they'd give you three"!

Posted by: boned to the bone at February 17, 2013 10:38 AM (Ph479)

211 No, but refusing to pass out Obama for Pres pencils
and folders as a reward. Refusing to manipulate grades, refusing to use
pilfered state exam materials,, and on and on....

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 17, 2013 10:35 AM (l86i3)


If the public knew what went on in the schools; well, a significant number wouldn't give a flying fuck because they use them as advanced age daycare centers. And a lot of the rest have already gone elsewhere. But there are still a large number of people that would hit the fucking ceiling.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 17, 2013 10:39 AM (Vo6Ep)

212 What happened?
Posted by: USS Diversity at February 17, 2013 10:36 AM (QLJPW)

See 201. Oh yeah, and since I was on probabtion, My dept. Head tried to blackmail me out of my wifes perscription meds.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 17, 2013 10:39 AM (l86i3)

213 Seriously...they tried to get you to do that?????
Posted by: Albie Damned at February 17, 2013 10:38 AM (Yhu4q)

Oh no, they were doing it.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 17, 2013 10:39 AM (l86i3)

214 I saw th eother day that Steve Wnn and Sherman Addelson (sp) (the Vegas guy who gave so much to the RNC and PACS to support Romney) are getting more involved. Also Trump went off on Rove and his abysmal record.

I am thinking that those 3 could form a swell PAC with actual cool ads, maybe with Vegas showgirls, designed to appeal to those LIV's who need some celebrity in order to be interested.

The Vegas guys at least know a bad bet like Solyndra. And it would be more entertaining than American Crossroads.

Posted by: Miss Marple at February 17, 2013 10:40 AM (GoIUi)

215 Well that's true, I lost my Middle school teaching job cause I wouldn't do it.

I got sick and tired of fighting the lefties in an elementary school position and left it. In fact in nearly a decade on the internet I've 'met' many conservatives that used to teach, but finally walked away.

My main beef was that monitory allocation was always skewed to those who would never provide much benefit to society.

Posted by: Regular Moron at February 17, 2013 10:40 AM (feFL6)

216 Posted by: Miss Marple at February 17, 2013 10:25 AM (GoIUi)

There's smart and there's smart. The EBT leech has made a quite rational short-term decision to live an easier welfare life by having the government steal money from working people to re-distribute it to him rather than do any nasty work himself. Based on the way Obama is running the country into the ground, the leeches might be right because you might as well suck everything out of the system while it exists. I don't think they can be persuaded that this is a very bad thing to do because they will never believe that the short-term always ends, and the long-term can be a bitch! They know their EBT balance because they don't want to buy lobsters only to have the card come up short at the cashier.



Posted by: Hrothgar at February 17, 2013 10:40 AM (Cnqmv)

217 If Rove hasn't heard it by now, I'd take that to
mean he's not familiar with him. And if he's not familiar with Levin,
that pretty much means Rove doesn't keep up with contemporary
conservative thoughtmeisters.


Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 17, 2013 10:37 AM (+z4pE)


No, he was reacting like somebody who knows he really stepped in it. I still think what he did was a pre-emptive strike to snooker the big money guys into ignoring how fucking badly he did with their contributions.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 17, 2013 10:41 AM (Vo6Ep)

218 My main beef was that monitory allocation was always skewed to those who would never provide much benefit to society.
Posted by: Regular Moron at February 17, 2013 10:40 AM (feFL6)

Oh yeah, they would pull my English as a second laguage kids out of my class for English lessons then wonder why they were struggling in math.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 17, 2013 10:41 AM (l86i3)

219 The Broncos are going to the Final Four!

The Broncos are going to the Final Four!




(sung to the tune of 'The Broncos are going to the Super Bowl')



errrr...wait a miute.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 17, 2013 10:42 AM (qqZuQ)

220 That's whay I am so adamnent about getting your kids out of public schools, if you have to bag groceries in the evenings, whatever, get them out. Nothing good is going on in those places.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 17, 2013 10:43 AM (l86i3)

221
Posted by: boned to the bone at February 17, 2013 10:38 AM (Ph479)

As someone who used to work at McD's let me give you a few hints.
1) Anything with Round Egg on it is better. Why? Round eggs are fresh cracked eggs, and they're cooked with a little steam (hence better.) Folded egg is a pasteurized homogenized egg from a carton. Still real egg, don't get me wrong, and still cooked fresh, but it lacks the good consistency. Egg McMuffin is usually the way to go, it's fairly low fat and tasty. (If you must have a biscuit, ask them to substitute the round egg for the folded egg, you'll thank me.) If you like regular bacon, get an egg McMuffin with regular bacon!
Two: The coffee will always blow, it's the nature of how McDs has to handle coffee after the lawsuit. They can't brew it at 195 anymore (which is what coffee needs to be brewed at) so they could use the best beans in the world, and it will still suck. There's nothing they can do about it. I'll drink it if I'm on the road and can't find anything else, but that's only rarely (it happened more often during house shopping just because we'd be up and moving early in the morning. Actually our first "meal" in this house was McD's egg McMuffins and Hashbrowns during the inspection, seriously, the house was unoccupied anyway, so we sat at the staged table in the kitchen and ate breakfast.)

Posted by: tsrblke at February 17, 2013 10:43 AM (GaqMa)

222 >>@Albie Damned, watch your portion size. Also, lift weights. Get your
muscle mass up. Then when you are at rest, you will naturally burn more
calories.

I'd always done weight training was very active. The Rippetoe method of weight training is amazingly effective.

I'm not a big drinker anymore...maybe a glass of wine with dinner . God knows I'd done more than my fair share

I have to have open heart surgery in a couple of weeks and I don't know if I'll be able to do weight training down the road.

Maybe I'll just have to get some tights and do yoga...

Posted by: Albie Damned at February 17, 2013 10:44 AM (Yhu4q)

223 the leeches might be right because you might as well suck everything out of the system while it exists.
Posted by: Hrothgar at February 17, 2013 10:40 AM (Cnqmv)

********

Rather than "starving the beast", we collectively appear to be actively consuming it.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 17, 2013 10:45 AM (qqZuQ)

224 #216 Posted by: Hrothgar at February 17, 2013 10:40 AM (Cnqmv)

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This goes to one of my other things, which is that we do not teach delayed gratification at all. Parents don't. Teachers don't. The government doesn't reward this in any way.

A great many of our problems (debt, teen pregnancy, school drop outs, drugs) are actually a result of people who have not learned this simple life skill.

Posted by: Miss Marple at February 17, 2013 10:46 AM (GoIUi)

225 >> Anything with Round Egg on it is better.

How'd they get the chickens to lay round eggs. All the ones I've seen are ovate.

Posted by: Albie Damned at February 17, 2013 10:46 AM (Yhu4q)

226 Oh yeah, they would pull my English as a second laguage kids out of my
class for English lessons then wonder why they were struggling in math.


Perfect example. I was at a private school yet they had state employees who were in charge of programs like that. The state workers could retire at ~55 years of age at 75% pay and they acted like they owned the world and that 'little johnny' could never survive without their services.

Meanwhile, I knew I had kids with IQ's in the 1 out 10,000 to 1 out of 30,000 range that needed a few bucks sent their way, too. Kids who someday would create businesses and create hundreds, if not thousands of jobs, if they could continually be challenged. Sorry, no bucks for them.

Posted by: Regular Moron at February 17, 2013 10:47 AM (feFL6)

227
No, he was reacting like somebody who knows he really stepped in it. I still think what he did was a pre-emptive strike to snooker the big money guys into ignoring how fucking badly he did with their contributions.

Well, good. Maybe a little public embarrassment will help to pull his head out of his ass. As for not responding to the Leftard/MFM's lies, he should be horsewhipped for that. IMO, that's how we were gifted with TFG and the "lesson" of '06.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 17, 2013 10:47 AM (+z4pE)

228
"I then just decided to cut out breads and sugars" This will do more to improve one's general "health well being" than anything else.
"a significant number wouldn't give a flying fuck because they use them as advanced age daycare centers" - no kidding. Once the decision was taken that "everyone" had to "stay in school", well, what did everyone expect? How else do you take the former 8th grade dropouts keep them in "school" thru their 24th birthday?

Posted by: Jess1 at February 17, 2013 10:47 AM (lbiWb)

229
That's whay I am so adamnent about getting your kids out of public schools, if you have to bag groceries in the evenings, whatever, get them out. Nothing good is going on in those places.Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 17, 2013 10:43 AM (l86i3)Hey OSP, would you mind telling that to my wife? We don't even have kids yet and I conceded the Public School/Private School battle to her because I could tell it was breaking her heart to spend money on private schools. (She went to public school, but she's also higher end of the intelligence curve so she survived.)I'm not even allowed to deflect with a "we'll see when the time comes." because she wants a promise from me that we won't commit money we don't have (to kids we don't have?!)If House of Cards is doing anything though, it's reinforcing the message of "waiting for Superman." They portray the unions in there as holding up education reform for tenure and lack of accountability. My wife did look over and say "god this is fiction, but I can still tell unions are ruining education in this country." Now if only she'd connect that.

Posted by: tsrblke at February 17, 2013 10:47 AM (GaqMa)

230
This goes to one of my other things, which is that we do not teach delayed gratification at all. Parents don't. Teachers don't. The government doesn't reward this in any way.

Posted by: Miss Marple at February 17, 2013 10:46 AM (GoIUi)


Quite the contrary, the government rewards yielding to impulses, and punishes impulse control. See "subprime mortgage fiasco."

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 17, 2013 10:48 AM (IDSI7)

231 Hey OSP- I finished reading Amy Lynn last night. Boy, my 'Jack' could've used some of the skill set of your 'Jack'. Well done young man.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 17, 2013 10:48 AM (qqZuQ)

232 Posted by: Albie Damned at February 17, 2013 10:44 AM (Yhu4q)

I'm lucky....my body seems to have an upper weight limit that, while not perfect, isn't awful. When I want to lose weight I watch my carbs (but eliminating them is difficult and unpleasant) and switch to more fish and vegetables. I can eat a ton of fish and a huge portion of ratatouille* and lose weight. I work out on an elliptical 4-6 days/week, and that's it.

*If you want a great recipe, just ask.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 17, 2013 10:48 AM (GsoHv)

233 Rove has been outed, he might just be dangerous now.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamlessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 17, 2013 10:50 AM (l86i3)

234 *If you want a great recipe, just ask.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 17, 2013 10:48 AM (GsoHv)
Maybe not on the Ratatouille, CBD, but as resident food expert, let me ask you. My wife and I just bought a nice rice cooker (to get away from our reliance on instant rice.)Any suggestions for rice type, what rice should cost, and maybe anything I can do with the cooker (besides cook rice.)

Posted by: tsrblke at February 17, 2013 10:50 AM (GaqMa)

235 Hey OSP- I finished reading Amy Lynn last night. Boy, my 'Jack' could've used some of the skill set of your 'Jack'. Well done young man.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 17, 2013 10:48 AM (qqZuQ)

Thanks Seamus.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamlessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at February 17, 2013 10:50 AM (l86i3)

236
"it's the nature of how McDs has to handle coffee after the lawsuit. They can't brew it at 195 anymore "
McD's lawyers in that case should've been tarred, feathered, and tied to the idiot judge whilst being dragged across a granite chunk infested acre of New England "farm" land. Idiots thought they could have the case tossed, so they never countered the amazingly stupid claims, several of which have now made it into the "mainstream".

Posted by: Jess1 at February 17, 2013 10:53 AM (lbiWb)

237 Albie, you probably won't be able to do any upper body workouts for a while. They told me not to raise my arms above my head for a month or so after my CABG-2. I can still hear my sternum crunch occasionally, and I've lost enough weight recently to where I can almost see the baling wire they used to hold it together.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 17, 2013 10:53 AM (+z4pE)

238 Posted by: tsrblke at February 17, 2013 10:47 AM (GaqMa)



Mrs Hate and I bit the fucking bullet to send our younger daughter to a very pricy private school because of what we unfortunately saw what was happening to the older Hatette in public school (we gave her a choice to go as well but she declined and I wouldn't force her to do so; she has turned out well but she had to go to a tutor for English at the college she attended, which worked out well but illustrated the ineptitude of the assholes in the public indoctrination centers as far as doing their fucking jobs). It's the best investment a parent can make if you choose wisely.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 17, 2013 10:53 AM (Vo6Ep)

239 Ben Carson on abc

Posted by: teej at February 17, 2013 10:54 AM (Op+RR)

240
DAY 103

1,357 to go (1,432 to Inauguration Day 2017)


Muzzies, Marxists, Maoists, Mau-Maus, MFM's, Moochelle, McCain's, MIRV's, mutants, malcontents, malthusians, maniacs, malignant medical mandates, miscreants, maladjusted masochistic multiculturalists, momzers, mamalukes, mooks, mariuoli, meeskeits, maricons, marauders, malodorous militants, menstruating mons veneri and miscellaneous meshugas notwithstanding.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 17, 2013 10:54 AM (XkWWK)

241
Rove has been outed, he might just be dangerous now.

I'd settle for defanged, which Levin seems to be doing.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 17, 2013 10:55 AM (+z4pE)

242 Posted by: tsrblke at February 17, 2013 10:47 AM (GaqMa)


It could be (and probably is) that you wife survived "public school" because she is an intelligent person, and she is not going to K-12 now, but went before some of the continuing worsening of the education system took place?


Posted by: Hrothgar at February 17, 2013 10:56 AM (Cnqmv)

243
I will say that the notion that all teachers are out there trying to pump socialist dogma into kids' heads is false



Not "all". That's true.



But the evidence runs in that general direction.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 17, 2013 09:58 AM (XW351)
Teachers self-identify as 1/3 each conservative, independent and liberal, even in organizations such as the NEA and AFT. Their complaints that 98% of these organizations' political donations go to Dems fall on deaf ears.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at February 17, 2013 10:57 AM (1hekh)

244 TSR, I'm eating a (reheated from drive-thru a couple hours ago) Sausage Egg Biscuit from McD's. It never dawned on me that I like the sausage egg Mcmuffin more than the biscuitbecause of the round egg, but I definitely do. I've probably eaten more sausage egg Mcmuffins than any other single food item. For years I'd get one every morning, I barely taste them anymore but they're still my go to breakfast.



Here's a question for a McD's insider. One of my friends daughter's insists that there are all sorts of ways to order burgers at Mc D's and make them much better at a low price. Like asking for lettuce, tom, onion, etc. on a dollar menu cheeseburger, etc. True? Can you customize burgers beyond basic condiments?

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 17, 2013 10:58 AM (ZshNr)

245 Posted by: tsrblke at February 17, 2013 10:50 AM (GaqMa)

A bit of a correction...he is the resident food expert in his own mind!

I think rice cookers can be used as crock pots, but that depends on the settings available. However, I don't use one...I like to toast the rice briefly in a bit of fat and onion/garlic/shallot before I add the water, and rice cookers won't allow that.

I buy any rice that does not need rinsing, because I find that a pain in the ass.

American rice is probably the best in the world. And as for short, medium or long grain? Eh, it depends on what you like, except for specific dishes like risotto, which requires a special short-grained rice.

Costco or any of the big box stores should have bulk rice available. Buy a 25 pound bag and store it carefully, and that's the cheapest way to go.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 17, 2013 10:58 AM (GsoHv)

246 >>>It's the best investment a parent can make if you choose wisely.

Agreed. Did likewise to pull boy #1 out of an idiotic public school in 6th grade. He insisted on going back to public school in 10th grade "to be in a big high school". It was an affluent public high school, but otherwise a waste of his time, and our energy, trying to straighten him out.

Son #2 is still in the private Christian school, even though he'd fair well in public school. I don't have enough fortitude to experience all that shit all over again.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 17, 2013 10:59 AM (4Mv1T)

247 >>Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 17, 2013 10:53 AM (+z4pE)

I had to google CABG-2. Wow.

What was your issue?...blockage?

How long was your recuperation?

I have to have an aortic valve replacement. Still haven't decided if I want a mechanical or pig valve. I'm getting a lot of conflicting opinions

Posted by: Albie Damned at February 17, 2013 11:01 AM (Yhu4q)

248 heh ...

CNN's Anderson Cooper caught faking interview in front of blue screen background

http://tinyurl.com/bsep7gm

Posted by: kbdabear at February 17, 2013 11:02 AM (mCvL4)

249 I will say that the notion that all teachers are out there trying to pump socialist dogma into kids' heads is false.

================================
Very true. But it's true that most of them have the attitude that:

1. Any child that does well, is a credit to me.
2. Any child that does poorly does so because the parents are bad people.
3. I'm going to have a really sweet pension and I deserve it because I am the well of all learning.

These are my teacher relatives. And there are many of them. Good people in general but they are delusional about their importance to society. And none of them could cut it in a real degree program.

Posted by: The The Hobo Hooker-Waitress Model- Actress Who Might Have But Never Was Wears Prada at February 17, 2013 11:06 AM (jopHG)

250 Paging Albie, Albie to the courtesy phone.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 17, 2013 11:07 AM (+z4pE)

251
The principles of our schools in La Crosse Wisconsin make 108 thousand a year add benefits on top and you got yourself something..... I'm pretty sure thats not middle class money.... isn't the median household income around 40 or 45 and probably going down in this amazing robust Obama economy....
Now, if every school has a principle and every school district has an administration center and every state has a dept. of education..... WHY THE F*CK DO WE NEED A DEPT. OF EDUCATION AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL AS WELL- WHICH SPENDS OVER 50 BILLION DOLLARS A F*CKING YEAR!!
Wastefull government spending is out of f*cking control and the education racket is a big part of it. That is all.

Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at February 17, 2013 11:09 AM (LMtDw)

252 248
heh ...

CNN's Anderson Cooper caught faking interview in front of blue screen background

http://tinyurl.com/bsep7gm



Posted by: kbdabear at February 17, 2013 11:02 AM

Disclaimer; it's Alex Jones making the claim, but it's funny if it's actually true

Posted by: kbdabear at February 17, 2013 11:09 AM (mCvL4)

253 Will delurk for a bit to toss in my 2 cents about private schools. Have 2 boys that we put in Episcopal school as pre-K students. They graduated from the same system in 2006 and 2009. Both are self reliant, motivated, and avid learners. We STRUGGLED to pay the tuition year after year after year. Would I do it again? You bet. The older is about the graduate from grad school, and the younger had two years of college, and seems to have an entrepreneurial bent. I worried for a while about him leaving school, but I know that he reads well and writes well and can THINK! He will just take a different path. The private school experience for us was great.

Posted by: 'Ette in training at February 17, 2013 11:12 AM (zvxqj)

254 Also, I planned on being a high school chemistry teacher. Because:

1) The sweet pension.
2) My high school chemistry teacher moonlighted as a belly dancer.
3) So how fucking hard could it be? Find an online teacher certification test and marvel at the questions about fractions.

I ended up getting a real job.

Next time you're in the hospital, my engineering work might save your life. Or kill you. Not trying to worry you or anything. Really.

Posted by: The Hobo Hooker-Waitress Model- Actress Who Might Have But Never Was Wears Prada at February 17, 2013 11:14 AM (jopHG)

255
Sorry for the above rant..... not directed at anyone in particular, just stating the fact that the education racket is one of the biggest swindles going right now.... and the left is trying to expand it ( Obamas new pre-pre school for all) once again to the detriment of taxpayers and children ( as the children of today are dumbed down to the point of idiocy)....

Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at February 17, 2013 11:16 AM (LMtDw)

256 The superintendent of my city's school system retired with a $245,000 goodbye gift and a really awesome pension.

Posted by: The Hobo Hooker-Waitress Model- Actress Who Might Have But Never Was Wears Prada at February 17, 2013 11:16 AM (jopHG)

257
"Good people in general but they are delusional about their importance to society. "
True @ all lower level gov't functionaries. Prepping for the spring sports season our local "youth sports council" (?) coordinator opined that "without us, these youth sports would be non existant" - she blew a gasket when I showed her that the various organizations (LL, PopWarner, AAU) predated our incorporated gov't...

Posted by: Jess1 at February 17, 2013 11:17 AM (lbiWb)

258 Here's a question for a McD's insider. One of my friends daughter's insists that there are all sorts of ways to order burgers at Mc D's and make them much better at a low price. Like asking for lettuce, tom, onion, etc. on a dollar menu cheeseburger, etc. True? Can you customize burgers beyond basic condiments? Posted by: Lincolntf at February 17, 2013 10:58 AM (ZshNr)Theoretically, yah. I've had people do that before. But it's going to depend on who you ask to be honest. Most places aren't going to bulk at lettuce, mayo (onion already comes on a basic hamburger, but we'll get to that in a second). Some may bulk at Tomato because it kills their bottom line. (But most will just shrug, you've got a 17 year old just working for a paycheck, not a career, he doesn't care if you asked for gold plated hamburgers, if they got it, he'll give it to you usually.)Here's the thing though, a standard McD's burger patty is 1.6oz before cooking (1/10lb) so you're going to be overwhelming it with much more than condiments.Having said that. I've been lazy the last two times I've been to McD's and haven't done this, but I used to. On a regular hamburger (or anything that doesn't use a "quarter pounder" patty basically). Ask for either "quarter pounder onion) or "Slivered onion".) The smaller patty burgers get dehydrated (And then rehydrated) onion that smells and tastes like ass. Quarterpounder burgers get real (precut) onion slivers which, while not the best onion I've had, are much better. (be careful, on a single hamburger/cheeseburger, that amount of onion can occasionally overwhelm the burger, on a Double Cheese or big mac, not so much a problem.)

Posted by: tsrblke at February 17, 2013 11:21 AM (GaqMa)

259
What was your issue?...blockage?

Yep. I started feeling really strange one morning, not the classic symptoms of numbness in the jaw or arm or anything, but sweating and generally knowing something was seriously wrong. Called 911, EMT's arrive and load me into the ambulance where I went into V-Tac. Had I been anywhere else...

Anyway, testing revealed it was my second heart attack (I don't recall when the first on was, go figure), they did the bypass, and within a year I was back to my old cantankerous self. I can do everything I used to do, thankfully, because I had a lot of painting and drywall work to do to Casa Backwardio when we moved here, which I did with no problems.

As for your question about which valve to get, I have no experience with them, so I can't really say which one would be better. Perhaps a pig valve would do less damage to the red blood cells, because a mechanical valve might squish them. IIRC, Ahhnuld has a mechanical one, and he's making movies again, so there's that.

Best wishes for a speedy recovery to you. Keep the Horde posted.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 17, 2013 11:21 AM (+z4pE)

260
Hahahah. See, I went to public schools and I can't even spell principal right!

My main point is made. Peoples is more dumber now, as we throw moar moneys into the education racket.

Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at February 17, 2013 11:22 AM (LMtDw)

261
Posted by: kbdabear at February 17, 2013 11:02 AM (mCvL4)

That's just an infowars sister site.
PASS.

Posted by: tsrblke at February 17, 2013 11:22 AM (GaqMa)

262
@CBD,
American rice, got it. So don't spend money on "Basmati" or "Jasmine" or whatever.

Cool. There's just 2 of us so we don't have a cosco membership yet, but I'm betting Aldi's has something reasonably priced.

Posted by: tsrblke at February 17, 2013 11:23 AM (GaqMa)

263 So don't spend money on "Basmati" or "Jasmine" or whatever.

*****

We grow every variety of rice here in the USA so don't let let the variety fool you.
The best Jasmine rice in the world is grown in Texas.

Posted by: Dept. Of Accuracy Dept. at February 17, 2013 11:26 AM (MhA4j)

264
"So don't spend money on "Basmati" or "Jasmine" or whatever"
Sure - "American" long grain growers handle a number of varieties. I get the Jasmine extra long grain from Super H mart (a Korean chain) - which is grown in the US...

Posted by: Jess1 at February 17, 2013 11:29 AM (lbiWb)

265 In SC you can't be sued for defamation for what you put in a lawsuit. So Larry Marchant's wife has named Nicky Haley in a divorce suit and its leaked to the blogs.

http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/sc-gov-nikki-haley-named-other-woman-

Posted by: Tmitsss at February 17, 2013 11:34 AM (oMAbH)

266 Btw for morons who care about education issues, Robin Eubanks' Invisible Serfs Collar blog is very eye-opening.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 17, 2013 11:39 AM (Vo6Ep)

267 Honest question: How long do the sainted professors spend in the classroom?

Hollywood tells me TA's do all the work.

Did not go to college. Went to work.

Posted by: nip at February 17, 2013 11:48 AM (11Tdq)

268 More communist fallout from Obamacare. Profit margin
limits???? Must be OK because this is a tax. Perhaps we can pass a law
in red States that limits Democrat fund raising to 2 cents per year.

http://is.gd/NvEtY7

Posted by: Vic at February 17, 2013 08:34 AM (53z96)



How soon before Comrade Chairman Barry declares that no company should have a profit (besides the ones run by his cronies) and all profits must be turned over to the government to make it "fair"

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 17, 2013 11:48 AM (1b0Q0)

269 Scientific American has an article about how great the polygamous lifestyle is and how we monogamists neanderthals need to learn from our betters.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=new-sexual-revolution-polyamory

Posted by: Colorado Alex at February 17, 2013 11:51 AM (hpDVh)

270 Regarding the Catholic School costs: Best money you will ever spend. Tell wife to quit with the selfish. Sacrifice is job one.

Even if you assume the curriculum is the same, the environment is far superior. All pants are pulled up for instance.

Posted by: nip at February 17, 2013 11:54 AM (11Tdq)

271 Anyone knows that Marco Rubio took a drink of water? Oh the shame of it all!

Posted by: Libra at February 17, 2013 11:56 AM (cMWZ+)

272 Ok, we all know the NYT sucks, but their crossword is awesome. But today's final clue? "Pastime for Barack Obama at Camp David."

No, the answer's not "PICKINGHISNOSE" or "PLOTTINGTHEDOWNFALLOFTHEUSA"

It's "SKEET"

Sheesh.

Posted by: Average Guy at February 17, 2013 12:15 PM (7bqMw)

273 Test

Posted by: Mr. Alu Fods at February 17, 2013 12:15 PM (ApCmz)

274 Yea! I unbanded myself ! I think

Posted by: Mr. Alu Fods at February 17, 2013 12:15 PM (ApCmz)

275 Another test. Sorry.

Posted by: Mr. Alu Fods at February 17, 2013 12:21 PM (ApCmz)

276 Liberal teachers feel that it is the duty of the state to educate the youth and therefore have no qualms about teaching their worldview. Conservative teachers respect parental rights and attempt to present a neutral worldview. Generally speaking, of course.

Posted by: MountainTurtle at February 17, 2013 12:43 PM (vwGKz)

277 Test one more time

Posted by: Mr. Alu Fods at February 17, 2013 01:10 PM (XO+H6)

278 I'm a genius!

Posted by: Mr. Alu Fods at February 17, 2013 01:10 PM (XO+H6)

279 Okay, I'm not really a genius but I have managed to unban myself. Not that anyone really gives a shit here but I do feel a sense of accomplishment.

Posted by: Mr. Alu Fods at February 17, 2013 01:13 PM (XO+H6)

280 Congratulations Mr. Alu!

Posted by: MountainTurtle at February 17, 2013 01:15 PM (vwGKz)

281 Thank you! Thank you! It took a half hour of farting around with the wireless router to get a new IP address but I finally did it. And yes, Bing is your friend. But not Google. Google is evil.

Posted by: Mr. Alu Fods at February 17, 2013 01:18 PM (XO+H6)

282 Just Checkin'

Posted by: Mr. Alu Fods at February 17, 2013 05:15 PM (XO+H6)






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