Pre-ONT how does shit work? [Purp]

Things that make the modern world work: stamping lube

There's all sorts of "stuff" that goes on behind the scenes to make the modern world possible. Most people have no idea what any of it is or appreciation for any of this because they just see the finished products.

The infrastructure of industry is something that has fascinated me since I was a small child though. My dad owned an electroplating shop. Electroplating is one of the critical adjuncts to almost all modern industrial production in one way or another. We got to see and process interim products/parts ranging from ordinary nuts and bolts to parts of the Apollo launch pad cooling system come through the business.

One of the major customers we had was Bendix. Bendix makes brake parts for everything from cars to airliners and fighter planes. Specifically, we copper plated some of the stamped brake pad backers for airliners and fighter planes. Apparently the actual brake pad friction gook didn't stick well to steel, but it would stick well to copper.

Those Bendix parts always came into the shop coated with a stamping oil which we had to remove to get them clean. You can't electroplate oily/dirty/rusty stuff. Its gotta be clean, clean, clean.

Apparently, the process of modern metal stamping is very sensitive to the quality of the lubes used on the metal and in the stamping dies. You can't just dump old crankcase drain oil in there and expect to get good results with the newer high strength steel alloys. The metal can tear/gall/curl in unsatisfactory ways if the stuff isn't right and there's been a move towards synthetics to resolve some of these issues.

There's also the issue of die wear. If you're constantly having to change the dies because they're wearing out, that's very costly. One of the things we did in the plating shop was rechrome stamping dies and mandrels used for pipe forming. Its always cheaper to rebuild the surface of a worn die back to spec by building it back up with chrome than it is to have a new die built.

Next time you fly on an airplane, consider all the thousands of little things that had to work right for it to be able to land and stop and not kill your ass in the process ;-> Lowly stamping oil was undoubtedly one of them.

Posted by: Open Blogger at 09:14 PM



Comments

1 OH THANK GOD!!!

Posted by: Molly k. at February 16, 2013 09:16 PM (QD0lE)

2 Oy!

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 16, 2013 09:17 PM (8sCoq)

3 Tie-dye never wears out, man.

Posted by: confused hippie at February 16, 2013 09:18 PM (ORGYc)

4 All provided by the lowest bidder. LOL!
Just having some fun here. No one appreciates craftsmanship more than myself.

Posted by: Navybrat at February 16, 2013 09:19 PM (I3elR)

5 Why should I care? Obama's got it covered.

Posted by: Allen at February 16, 2013 09:20 PM (La4QL)

6 I was the first post but now I'm seeing how this works....you are suppose to read the content and then comment. Next time!

Posted by: Molly k. at February 16, 2013 09:21 PM (QD0lE)

7 stamping lube

That's hawt.

Posted by: Bawney Fwank at February 16, 2013 09:22 PM (BBWjt)

8 Do stompy boots require stomping lube? A friend was asking.


Never thought about stamping lube, but it certainly makes sense that some sort of lubricant would be desirable to make the process go smoothly.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 16, 2013 09:23 PM (673KB)

9 Apparently

Posted by: Raid at February 16, 2013 09:23 PM (rZ45y)

10 Lube...making things *ahem* functional for years!

Posted by: Jmel at February 16, 2013 09:24 PM (9tSXa)

11 Never thought about stamping lube, but it certainly makes sense that some sort of lubricant would be desirable to make the process go smoothly.

I've found that you need two types of lubricant: astroglide and wine coolers.

Posted by: Anya at February 16, 2013 09:24 PM (hpDVh)

12 Off, BtVS sock!

Posted by: Colorado Alex at February 16, 2013 09:25 PM (hpDVh)

13 And none of the people that knows how the world works is in Wash, DC, I fear ...

Posted by: Adriane ... at February 16, 2013 09:25 PM (TvO05)

14 What difference does it make?

Posted by: president hillary clinton at February 16, 2013 09:27 PM (Q2Ne0)

15 Bendix was the precursor to Mom's Robots

Posted by: Truman North at February 16, 2013 09:28 PM (I2LwF)

16 I was the first post but now I'm seeing how this works....you are suppose to read the content and then comment. Next time

If you're going to be a proper 'ette you must learn the first rule.

Comment first, post later.

That is all.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 16, 2013 09:28 PM (fzl0e)

17
If you're going to be a proper 'ette you must learn the first rule.



Comment first, post later.


for 'ettes, that's not the *first* rule...

Posted by: chemjeff at February 16, 2013 09:29 PM (BBWjt)

18 According to Barney Frank, "it's all sausage making" and regular people shouldn't care about such things.

Have you ever noticed how all Barney Franks analogies have a double meaning?

Posted by: gastorgrab at February 16, 2013 09:29 PM (FX38i)

19 for 'ettes, that's not the *first* rule

True, but you have to lure them into the secret underground lair before you spring it on them.

Now into the barrel with you.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 16, 2013 09:30 PM (fzl0e)

20 Have you ever noticed how all Barney Franks analogies have a double meaning?

Why, I haven't noticed. Would you like some of my frankfurter? Many people say it's delicious.

Posted by: Bawney Fwank at February 16, 2013 09:30 PM (BBWjt)

21 IIRC it was North American Aviation when building the P-51s that started to chrome plate finished metal items that when measured were smaller than spec. And yes it saved NAA and the government boatloads of money because it allowed them to bring up to spec these items instead of making new ones.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 16, 2013 09:31 PM (7tbEC)

22 Sure, its all fun and games until your damned junk falls off!

Posted by: The Sea Slugs at February 16, 2013 09:32 PM (1rU+d)

23 You really have to wonder why Obama ran for re-election.
He could be golfing 12 months out of the year by now.

Does anybody really think that he will ever do another day of labor after he leaves office ?

Posted by: Robert Byrd at February 16, 2013 09:32 PM (e8kgV)

24 Did that last thread go on for hours or is it just me? I am not a movie watcher at all. Have maybe sat through 6 movies total in a theater. So while that was going on I read a bit of itand kept checking back for a new thread. In the meantime I drank about 5 beers, made myself a jalapeno burger, did a few loads of laundry, read some really stupid stuff on the internet, let the dog out about 3 times, booked some rooms in London, painted my toenails and cleaned the microwave. Now that there is finally a new thread I've decided I'm going to read a book.

Posted by: Molly k. at February 16, 2013 09:33 PM (QD0lE)

25 Does anybody really think that he will ever do another day of labor after he leaves office ?

Another???

You mean he's done one already?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 16, 2013 09:33 PM (fzl0e)

26 You really have to wonder why Obama ran for re-election.

Obama is a community organizer. His goal is to organize the entire nation into a grievance mob of clients demanding handouts from the state. And so far it's working.

Posted by: chemjeff at February 16, 2013 09:33 PM (BBWjt)

27 Another???

You mean he's done one already?


***

that's what I was thinking: When did he do the first?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 16, 2013 09:34 PM (piMMO)

28 booked some rooms in London

Make sure you're up on your Arabic

Posted by: chemjeff at February 16, 2013 09:34 PM (BBWjt)

29 Very few people (at least that I know) work in jobs that actually create wealth. Jobs that involve taking stuff out of the ground and turning it into something useful. If you think about it a huge percentage of jobs are about managing life in the modern world (insurance, law and any bureaucracy jobs for example). Some of these jobs are necessary for us to thrive, but a lot of them simply make more work for others without producing any positive tangible thing.

I think there is something sacred in the actual creation of wealth, of taking raw materials and blessing the lives of fellow human beings with them. It's a feeling I think Ayn Rand also had, except that I see the products of the earth as gifts from God and she saw them for the glory of man.

Posted by: stephie at February 16, 2013 09:34 PM (xG0vx)

30 Molly K, could always write a book. Like a few of us have done or are doing.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 16, 2013 09:34 PM (7tbEC)

31 His goal is to organize euthanize the entire nation

Posted by: The Sea Slugs at February 16, 2013 09:34 PM (1rU+d)

32 I hear you loud and clear. Stamping oil should only be sold in 12 oz. containers. Anything larger is now banned. It's for The Children™

Posted by: mayor bloomberg idiot savant at February 16, 2013 09:35 PM (Q2Ne0)

33 Make sure you're up on your Arabic

Pashto and Urdu too

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 16, 2013 09:35 PM (fzl0e)

34 Nanny Bloomberg and lube oil. Lets not go there.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 16, 2013 09:36 PM (7tbEC)

35 How do things work?

I push a button and it does something i expect . Great skill eh?

Posted by: willow-ette at February 16, 2013 09:36 PM (nqBYe)

36 Obama Is LBJ on roids

Posted by: Clemenza at February 16, 2013 09:36 PM (Fkb9l)

37 23 You really have to wonder why Obama ran for re-election.He could be golfing 12 months out of the year by now.

That's different than what he does now how exactly?

Posted by: buzzion at February 16, 2013 09:36 PM (GULKT)

38 Raid is troll?

Posted by: Truman North at February 16, 2013 09:38 PM (I2LwF)

39 Carbide penetrant in the gas tank//thats what they use in the fuel line of Amerika

Posted by: Clemenza at February 16, 2013 09:38 PM (Fkb9l)

40 TFG ran for re-election because he knew he could afford Michelle's gorecery bills.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 16, 2013 09:38 PM (7tbEC)

41 30 Molly K, could always write a book. Like a few of us have done or are doing.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 16, 2013 09:34 PM (7tbEC)


..........................................

Good point, I have a life story that would make Oprah cry. Funny about that though, apparently I was a big reader at a young age and decided to pen a story when I was around 8...It was in the vein of Little House on the Prarie, My mom kept it and proceeds to embarress me with it until this day.

Posted by: Molly k. at February 16, 2013 09:38 PM (QD0lE)

42 Just great- Movie thread is now DOA, and I just finished watching Skyfall.

Can't believe they shot up "M", AND the DB5.


Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 16, 2013 09:39 PM (4Mv1T)

43 eeerr because he could NOT afford

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 16, 2013 09:39 PM (7tbEC)

44 37
Obama Is LBJ on roids


Posted by: Clemenza at February 16, 2013 09:36 PM (Fkb9l)

More like Obama is the roids of LBJ

Posted by: Bill from Chappaqua at February 16, 2013 09:39 PM (0SXI6)

45 Obama Is LBJ on roids crack

FIFY.

Roids would imply something muscular, which is clearly not the case.

Crack is more in keeping with his actual life history.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 16, 2013 09:39 PM (fzl0e)

46 I have a story idea. It's actually written out too, mostly (but not finished). Maybe at some point I'll dig it out and share it with the horde.

Posted by: chemjeff at February 16, 2013 09:39 PM (BBWjt)

47 42
TFG ran for re-election because he knew he could afford Michelle's gorecery bills.


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 16, 2013 09:38 PM (7tbEC)

Nah, Reggie Love just wasn't ready for retirement

Posted by: Bill from Chappaqua at February 16, 2013 09:40 PM (0SXI6)

48 Oh dear Molly K. Well write under a pseudonym so your mom does not learn of your writing prowess?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 16, 2013 09:40 PM (7tbEC)

49 When the SHTF there is going to be a lot of knowledge lost.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at February 16, 2013 09:40 PM (iLuYw)

50 33 Make sure you're up on your Arabic Pashto and Urdu too


........................................

You guys saying the room I booked at the Hijab Hotel is gonna have desk clerks that don't speak English? I better call my sister and see what she thinks.

Posted by: Molly k. at February 16, 2013 09:41 PM (QD0lE)

51 @ 47 I Stand before the cold pool with a class Of Jameson and corrected.

Posted by: Clemenza at February 16, 2013 09:41 PM (Fkb9l)

52 He ran because His facilitators still thought He was useful, and could still keep moving Forward, or left.

Also Obama enjoys the bootlicking.

That this now happens in america is a separate issue.

Posted by: willow-ette at February 16, 2013 09:41 PM (nqBYe)

53 "Stompy Lube"

In the sixpack
sexpack
and shackpack for you weekenders!

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 16, 2013 09:41 PM (8sCoq)

54 47 I Stand before the cold pool with a class Of Jameson and corrected.

Neat, I presume.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 16, 2013 09:42 PM (fzl0e)

55 Lith grease and graphite lube are amazing all by themselves.
Lube is what makes the worlld better. Friction is bad.

Posted by: Invictus at February 16, 2013 09:42 PM (OQpzc)

56 Purp, your story highlights just how fragile our society actually is - milllions of minor processes and interactions are required to make a modern society function.

Sadly, the majority of our country believes shit just appears. But if politicians keep tinkering and manipulating, the whole system can and will collapse.

Posted by: Seaman Mopper at February 16, 2013 09:43 PM (9ScGj)

57 BAM ceramics -- slicker than Teflon.

Posted by: The Sea Slugs at February 16, 2013 09:43 PM (1rU+d)

58 You guys saying the room I booked at the Hijab Hotel is gonna have desk clerks that don't speak English? I better call my sister and see what she thinks.

We're saying it will sound a lot like Babu in a Seinfeld episode.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 16, 2013 09:43 PM (fzl0e)

59 so is this thread about ' you really do build that'?

Posted by: willow-ette at February 16, 2013 09:43 PM (nqBYe)

60 50 Oh dear Molly K. Well write under a pseudonym so your mom does not learn of your writing prowess?
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 16, 2013 09:40 PM (7tbEC)

..............................................


Good thinking Anna!! Now I am seriously off to read.

Posted by: Molly k. at February 16, 2013 09:43 PM (QD0lE)

61 Ah, damn squid sock...

Posted by: Icedog at February 16, 2013 09:44 PM (9ScGj)

62 @ 59 get your gun tefloned

Posted by: Clemenza at February 16, 2013 09:44 PM (Fkb9l)

63 What a lot of crap, he didn't build those parts or plate those parts.

Posted by: dtih at February 16, 2013 09:44 PM (CmL+e)

64 @29- stephie on jobs that create wealth.
Great comment young lady. Post often, please.

Posted by: teej at February 16, 2013 09:45 PM (tWBKX)

65 Lube this,right here

Posted by: Doctor may pinch a bit at February 16, 2013 09:45 PM (SKoNZ)

66 Hey, they were drinking 50 year old Mcallan, or just trying to shoot a jigger of it off the girl's head in the Bond flick I just watched, actually.

"Just a waste of good scotch."

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 16, 2013 09:45 PM (4Mv1T)

67 When they come for your guns they will also check the Morons here for subversives, Carry On//

Posted by: Clemenza at February 16, 2013 09:46 PM (Fkb9l)

68 61
so is this thread about ' you really do build that'?


On rare occasions, when the govt isn't looking, some bold souls go off reservation...

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 16, 2013 09:46 PM (1rU+d)

69 A story on a conservative blog that ends with "Next time you fly on an airplane, consider all the thousands of little things that had to work right..." and nobody mention's Leonard Read's classic "I, Pencil" story? For shame.

Posted by: Mauser757 at February 16, 2013 09:46 PM (TXany)

70 Excellent information, Purp! I'm ALWAYS curious to know how things work and how it's made and how it gets to market, etc. I'm such a geek.

Posted by: Hogette Winslow at February 16, 2013 09:47 PM (esswZ)

71 get your gun tefloned


Posted by: Clemenza at February 16, 2013 09:44 PM (Fkb9l)

The inside of the barrel on my T30 was chrome plated, it cut down on wear and corrosion due to corrosive primers. Still looks pretty good 110 years later. The newest finish for the outside of firearms is parkerizing, I don't know exactly what it is. Morons?

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at February 16, 2013 09:47 PM (yh0zB)

72 40 Raid is troll?
Posted by: Truman North at February 16, 2013 09:38 PM (I2LwF)


Does have that smell, doesn't he?

Posted by: DC in Towson, assault human at February 16, 2013 09:47 PM (jIaZt)

73 On rare occasions, when the govt isn't looking, some bold souls go off reservation...


Posted by: @PurpAv at February 16, 2013 09:46 PM (1rU+d)

the smart ones.
g-dspeed and save a hut.

Posted by: willow-ette at February 16, 2013 09:48 PM (nqBYe)

74 He had to win re-election so that he could not be regarded as a failure. He had to "succeed." That's why the MSM had to carry him over the line again and pretend things had improved under his rule.

He couldn't be wrong. The media couldn't be wrong.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 16, 2013 09:48 PM (C8mVl)

75 Posted by: Mauser757 at February 16, 2013 09:46 PM (TXany)

Is that the story that demonstrates that even the smartest man in the world doesn't possess the knowledge or skills required to make a simple pencil?

Posted by: Icedog at February 16, 2013 09:49 PM (9ScGj)

76 so is this thread about ' you really do build that'?


Posted by: willow-ette at February 16, 2013 09:43 PM (nqBYe)


I don't build "that" but I fix the machines that do (semiconductor manufacturing, we make the brightest white LED's in the world, right here in the good old USA)

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at February 16, 2013 09:49 PM (yh0zB)

77 >>>milllions of minor processes and interactions are required to make a modern society function.

My son worked at two supermarkets unloading trucks, and more trucks, and then more trucks everyday, before we sent him off to school.

I think everyday how just a wee little disruption in that supply chain, and a crisis, and voila', the shelves are empty.

And my wife wonders why I'm paranoid.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 16, 2013 09:49 PM (4Mv1T)

78 Great comment young lady. Post often, please.

Yep. Creating durable complex things, that build on and inter-operate with each other, is something that separates us from the the animal kingdom.

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 16, 2013 09:49 PM (1rU+d)

79 There is a Lad in AZ that does some finish work to make your weapon proof worthy..

Posted by: Clemenza at February 16, 2013 09:50 PM (Fkb9l)

80 GGE- You must work for Cree. I spent 10 years with Sylvania in lighting in a previous life, my first 10 years out of school.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 16, 2013 09:51 PM (4Mv1T)

81 My son worked at two supermarkets unloading trucks, and more trucks, and
then more trucks everyday, before we sent him off to school.


that is awesome

Posted by: chemjeff at February 16, 2013 09:51 PM (BBWjt)

82 Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 16, 2013 09:51 PM (4Mv1T)


Yes indeed!

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at February 16, 2013 09:51 PM (yh0zB)

83 Posted by: stephie at February 16, 2013 09:34 PM (xG0vx)

Agreed, although I work in fiber (wool, alpaca, silk, etc.) rather than earth. I'd *like* to pay someone to help me with the designs I don't have time/strength for, but those ideas will just have to go unrealized since I *don't* want to deal with the tax stuff.

It makes me wonder just how much wealth is rusting inside people's heads out of concerns about government interference.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, assault Hobbit at February 16, 2013 09:53 PM (wbeNt)

84 GGE, can you direct us to a website? I am interested in LED lighting.

Posted by: Mindy at February 16, 2013 09:53 PM (gBOQE)

85 Cree is an awesome company, and glad they are local.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 16, 2013 09:53 PM (4Mv1T)

86 Obama wants to raise minimum wage, the bastard.

Given that it has been demonstrated over and over and over again the minimum wage increases also increase unemployment, and always have, yeah, that makes him a bastard.

Economics, how does it fuckin' work???

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 16, 2013 09:53 PM (fzl0e)

87 First two lessons done in my quest for an associates in applied science, 96 on one and aced the other. Kind of upset over the one question I missed, I don't know how I got it wrong. I guess I should have waited until I was no longer brain-fried before taking the test.


And Kirchoff is an asshole.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at February 16, 2013 09:53 PM (yh0zB)

88 it's rather unfortunate that if the world ever really went caput, even if we have some knowledge having needed supplies is a whole nother bllgame.

Posted by: willow-ette at February 16, 2013 09:54 PM (nqBYe)

89 Yes, its the story that no single person can possibly know everything involved in making a simple pencil - written from the pencil's perspective.


Posted by: Mauser757 at February 16, 2013 09:54 PM (TXany)

90 Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 16, 2013 09:51 PM (4Mv1T)

I've noticed that students who have a small taste of the blue collar world before starting college are generally better students. Same with young military troops.

Posted by: Icedog at February 16, 2013 09:54 PM (9ScGj)

91 Never mind, GGE, I found it thanks to Tobacco Road.

Posted by: Mindy at February 16, 2013 09:54 PM (gBOQE)

92 AN EARTH-SHATTERING KABOOM: Estimates raised for nuclear-sized asteroid blast that hit Russia. “Scientists have raised their estimates of the size and power of what turns out to be the most widely witnessed asteroid strike in modern history. The size estimate puts the object that caused Friday’s meteor blast over Russia in a troublesome category of asteroids: big enough to cause damage, but small enough to evade detection. The new estimates, based on additional readings from a sensor network built to detect nuclear blasts, suggest the meteor released the energy equivalent of nearly 500 kilotons of TNT. That’s about 30 times the power of the Hiroshima atomic bomb.”

UPDATE: A reader emails:

The relative lack of ground-level damage from a explosion equivalent to 30 Hiroshima bombs is due to its occurence about 25 miles above ground. And the reason it exploded so high up is that it came in at a shallow angle (20 degrees). If the approach had been steeper (less time in the atmosphere), it would have gotten closer to the ground before exploding. The folks in Chelyabinsk were very lucky.

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 16, 2013 09:56 PM (8sCoq)

93 kirchhoff was one smart dude

Posted by: chemjeff at February 16, 2013 09:56 PM (BBWjt)

94 WHOOSFHP

Posted by: QUEEN QUEEF at February 16, 2013 09:56 PM (rZ45y)

95 My old factory story:
1988 - General Dynamic was paying a moving company $75/hr per person and a temp service was paying me and about 20 others to move tool boxes at the San Diego Gen. Dyn. factory, which was making space shuttle parts and the minuteman missile. As I spent my 8 hrs moving tool boxes I watched a guy spend his 8 hours bending a piece of copper. He'd make a bend, make a phone call, 5 guys in suits would come down and look at the bend, then go away. Couple hours later he'd make another bend. Same 5 guys would come down and look at it. This repeated, somewhat during the day until about 3 bends were made.

Posted by: Whatev at February 16, 2013 09:56 PM (A7Wh1)

96 Obama wants to eliminate slave labor, aka minimum wage. Who the hell does he think he is?
Posted by: Raid at February 16, 2013 09:53 PM (rZ45y)

Slaves get paid? Why?

Posted by: Invictus at February 16, 2013 09:57 PM (OQpzc)

97 GGE, can you direct us to a website? I am interested in LED lighting.

Posted by: Mindy at February 16, 2013 09:53 PM (gBOQE)

Best Buy carries the Insignia light bulbs that fit most of your household sockets, and they can be used in dimming circuits. The 60 watt model will run ya about 15 bucks.
http://tinyurl.com/cgrhsxn


Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at February 16, 2013 09:57 PM (yh0zB)

98 It is dark in here. I just grabbed the cats ass thinking it was the Jameson...

Posted by: Clemenza at February 16, 2013 09:57 PM (Fkb9l)

99 Obama wants to eliminate slave labor

Ahem.

Posted by: Lincoln at February 16, 2013 09:57 PM (BBWjt)

100 It is dark in here. I just grabbed the cats ass thinking it was the Jameson...

fuckin' pervert

Posted by: The Cat at February 16, 2013 09:58 PM (BBWjt)

101 >>>big enough to cause damage, but small enough to evade detection

Stealth Smods

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 16, 2013 09:58 PM (4Mv1T)

102 kirchhoff was one smart dude


Posted by: chemjeff at February 16, 2013 09:56 PM (BBWjt)


Still an asshole.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at February 16, 2013 09:59 PM (yh0zB)

103 Lib·er·al: noun \ˈli-b(ə-)rəl\ - a person unfamiliar with exceedingly simple concepts of economics. See also: retard, idiot

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 16, 2013 09:59 PM (fzl0e)

104
Sadly, the majority of our country believes shit just appears.

This.

I once (briefly) dated a girl who (in an attempt to appear intellectually active) allowed as how she had no idea whatever how an air conditioner, or even an incandescentlight bulb, worked.

The question to me was, did I want stupid kids?

Answer: no.

Adios, honey.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 16, 2013 09:59 PM (IDSI7)

105 I just grabbed the cats ass thinking it was the Jameson...


Posted by: Clemenza at February 16, 2013 09:57 PM (Fkb9l)


Meh. Probably tastes about the same, especially if it was an Irish cat.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at February 16, 2013 09:59 PM (yh0zB)

106 Posted by: Icedog at February 16, 2013 09:54 PM (9ScGj)

It gives perspective. I noticed that perspective is something missing from the lives of the OWS and "womyn" types. I also noticed that, after running plastic extrusion machines in the middle of summer, I *really* resent having such people claim to speak for me.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, assault Hobbit at February 16, 2013 10:00 PM (wbeNt)

107 Having spent some time in management in a distribution center, I've found that college students tend to make the worst employees. Non-traditional students (adults going back to school) are very solid workers, but the kids who are working for the summer are a pain in the ass. The percentage of them who have the "I don't have to put up with this shit" attitude is much higher than in any other demographic I came across when working in the DC.

I think pushing my kids into the blue collar/calloused hands world as early as possible and well before college is a must. They should learn to appreciate and understand what they could be doing if they don't push towards for excellence.

Posted by: Mauser757 at February 16, 2013 10:00 PM (TXany)

108 Thanks, GGE.

I've noticed that LED christmas lights have a flicker to them. Do regular-style LED lightbulbs do that too?

Posted by: Mindy at February 16, 2013 10:00 PM (gBOQE)

109 Quit making shit that keeps liberals alive man.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 16, 2013 10:01 PM (BuSM8)

110 polli- when fiber optics first came out I had an idea about a "camo suit" woven from the stuff that would gather the light from one side of the wearer and send it out the other side.
No idea what to do with the idea.
Decades later, same idea is "used" on a blue James Bond BMW.

Posted by: teej at February 16, 2013 10:01 PM (XXIrM)

111 The question to me was, did I want stupid kids?

Answer: no.

Adios, honey.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 16, 2013 09:59 PM (IDSI7)


The question should have been, was she interested in learning? That's the difference between stupidity and ignorance, ignorance can be cured.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at February 16, 2013 10:01 PM (yh0zB)

112
kirchhoff was one smart dude

Kirchoff rules!

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 16, 2013 10:01 PM (IDSI7)

113 102 It is dark in here. I just grabbed the cats ass thinking it was the Jameson...

Drinking in the dark?

If you're also listening to either Wagner or Mussorgsky I'm going to call the Samaritans and report you as a suicide risk.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 16, 2013 10:01 PM (fzl0e)

114 >>>Probably tastes about the same, especially if it was an Irish cat.

You must not have been near a litter box recently. Me neither. But I still got a good memory.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 16, 2013 10:01 PM (4Mv1T)

115 yeah Jay I hear ya, in fact just today I was chatting with Velma and she remarked how backwards our town was that there wasn't a smoking ban in public places... I was a little upset that she said that

Posted by: chemjeff at February 16, 2013 10:02 PM (BBWjt)

116 Adios, honey.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 16, 2013 09:59 PM (IDSI7)

My minimum for a mate was she could at least understand the idea of the latent heat of evaporation. Forget current flow.

Posted by: Invictus at February 16, 2013 10:03 PM (OQpzc)

117 Dear heaven, Horde.



Sergeant at Arms!


Please, for the love of all that's holy and unholy, tell me the club's booze hasn't run out yet....

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at February 16, 2013 10:03 PM (GEICT)

118 I've noticed that LED christmas lights have a flicker to them. Do regular-style LED lightbulbs do that too?

Posted by: Mindy at February 16, 2013 10:00 PM (gBOQE)


I'm looking at three of them in my kitchen, not a single flicker. These have a power supply built into them that keeps that from happening.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at February 16, 2013 10:03 PM (yh0zB)

119 102
It is dark in here. I just grabbed the cats ass thinking it was the Jameson...


Posted by: Clemenza at February 16, 2013 09:57 PM (Fkb9l)

Well I certainly hope you're doing it like I do and you're surrounded by loaded firearms.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 16, 2013 10:04 PM (BuSM8)

120 BC- Here, have a beer. On me.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 16, 2013 10:04 PM (4Mv1T)

121 *rips open beer, guzzles*



Thank you Tobacco Road.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at February 16, 2013 10:05 PM (GEICT)

122 Kirchoff rules!

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 16, 2013 10:01 PM (IDSI7)


He's a dick!

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at February 16, 2013 10:05 PM (yh0zB)

123
The question should have been, was she interested in learning? That's the difference between stupidity and ignorance, ignorance can be cured.

Good point. My take was, no, she wasn't particularly interested in learning anything, it was essentially just a pose. She was, after all, a university graduate (Georgetown, IIRC), and so presumably had the means and the ability to learn this kind of thing on her own, had she wanted to. (A$25 investment in "How Things Worked" would've knocked her questions on the head.)

I think she just thought that her questions made her appear to have an inquiring mind, but had the opposite effect on me.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 16, 2013 10:05 PM (IDSI7)

124 And the hoard comes spilling thru the gates, look at those little monkeys comment.

Posted by: Howud Kusel at February 16, 2013 10:05 PM (FTwby)

125 Posted by: teej at February 16, 2013 10:01 PM (XXIrM)

Yeah, "proof of concept" can be a financial breaker.

Speaking of fiber optics, does any one know if they could be used to bring daylight (at a useful level) into a "Hobbit hole" style house?

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, assault Hobbit at February 16, 2013 10:05 PM (wbeNt)

126
He's a dick!

Fun fact: most of the guys who end up in textbooks are/were dicks.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 16, 2013 10:06 PM (IDSI7)

127 I don't have to do the algebra and trig lessons since I've already done them, but I'm doing them anyway as a refresher, cause calculus. Not looking forward to that.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at February 16, 2013 10:06 PM (yh0zB)

128 Best Buy carries the Insignia light bulbs that fit
most of your household sockets, and they can be used in dimming
circuits. The 60 watt model will run ya about 15 bucks.
http://tinyurl.com/cgrhsxn




Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at February 16, 2013 09:57 PM (yh0zB)


Many of the reviews at the Best Buy site mention an audible buzzing noise that the bulb makes at all times, but especially when dimmed. Sounds like a design flaw that needs to be addressed.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 16, 2013 10:07 PM (673KB)

129 If you're also listening to either Wagner or Mussorgsky I'm going to call the Samaritans and report you as a suicide risk.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 16, 2013 10:01 PM (fzl0e)

Good theme music for today's drinking alone:

O Fortuna

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWiyKgeGWx0

Posted by: Invictus at February 16, 2013 10:07 PM (OQpzc)

130 I make bubbles!

Posted by: Queen Queef at February 16, 2013 10:07 PM (rZ45y)

131 Im tired of paying for minimum wage earners kids schooling, medical care, food stamps, etc. The mastas should pay for their own slave labor, not the middle class.

There's not a lot we can do for you since you seem to be allergic to reality and lack the ability to comprehend the second and third order effects of whatever idiotic scheme you propose.

Therefore, we bid you adieu, secure in the knowledge that sooner or later you will be bitch-slapped by reality

....and still fail to learn anything from it.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 16, 2013 10:07 PM (wX9t0)

132
My minimum for a mate was she could at least understand the idea of the latent heat of evaporation.

Still single, I presume?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 16, 2013 10:08 PM (IDSI7)

133 I think she just thought that her questions made her appear to have an inquiring mind, but had the opposite effect on me.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 16, 2013 10:05 PM (IDSI7)


Yeah, most of the college girls I've met (what, I wasn't always this old) were more attractive before they opened their mouths.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at February 16, 2013 10:08 PM (yh0zB)

134
Posted by: Raid at February 16, 2013 10:07 PM (rZ45y)

We saw your stupid shit the first time, but had the good breeding to ignore it. Now fuck off.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 16, 2013 10:08 PM (IDSI7)

135
we bid you adieuPosted by: Sean Bannion at February 16, 2013 10:07 PM (wX9t0)

deja vu ,!
























Posted by: willow-ette at February 16, 2013 10:10 PM (nqBYe)

136 Sergeant at Arms! Please, for the love of all that's holy and unholy, tell me the club's booze hasn't run out yet....

Nope. Semi from Lynchburg came in 3 hours ago.

I knew the tour in logistics would come in handy some day.

::: hands Cochran a JD :::

Slainte

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 16, 2013 10:10 PM (wX9t0)

137 Many of the reviews at the Best Buy site mention an
audible buzzing noise that the bulb makes at all times, but especially
when dimmed. Sounds like a design flaw that needs to be addressed.


Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 16, 2013 10:07 PM (673KB)


Huh, never noticed it in the one I have, and it stays dimmed a lot (stays on all night). Keep in mind with reviews though, either the reviewer absolutely loves the product and can't wait to tell everyone about it, or the reviewer had an issue and can't wait to tell everyone about it. Most of the consumers are satisfied with their purchase and don't bother to write reviews. With that being said, reviews are something that manufacturers surely do look at for product improvement.

FWIW, I dont work for the company that makes the bulbs, just the company that makes the LED's.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at February 16, 2013 10:11 PM (yh0zB)

138 It's account like this that have always made me averse to characters like Captain Nemo, who with a small number of laborers manages to produce a nuclear sub a century ahead of many of the critical industrial processes needed.

Now, if you get to the point of nano assembler who can fashion raw mass into anything you have data files for, that changes the rules. But you shouldn't hold your breath waiting for magic.

This story is also important towards understanding why something like an increase in cost for one process or raw material can send shock waves throughout industry.

If you look at what gasoline costs after taking away all of the expenses imposed by government, it is a testament to the amazing gains in industrial efficiency seen over the last century. Factor in inflation and gas has gotten remarkably cheap in the face of rapidly growing demand. The oil companies don't get the credit they deserve for helping create modern civilization.

Posted by: epobirs at February 16, 2013 10:11 PM (kcfmt)

139 circling back to what this post is really about.....

stamping lube - sounds like a very hardcore version of fisting lube.

Posted by: Mauser757 at February 16, 2013 10:11 PM (TXany)

140 Hey Purp, very late to the posts today because I'm sick as Hell, but just wanted to say I love these past few posts. I'm fascinated by electroplating, and keep discovering how essential it is to so many things. I've just been studying the history of the record industry, and just learned how one of the real breakthroughs was when Eldridge Johnson got the idea of electroplating a wax master in order to make stampers.

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at February 16, 2013 10:11 PM (IlZPo)

141
Yeah, most of the college girls I've met (what, I wasn't always this old) were more attractive before they opened their mouths.

Yep. It's OK that they don't know things. The irritating part is when they think that their wholly uninformed opinion should have equal weight that's tough to take.

A neighbor's wife once railed mightily against the construction of a microwave tower within her sight, and wondered aloud why they couldn't put it down in a canyon out of sight.

She really should have been spayed.

The irony is that she burned up that tower will her babbling on her cell.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 16, 2013 10:12 PM (IDSI7)

142
As mostly a lurker, sometime socker and infrequent commenter:

I humbly submit the term " Doldrums" to be accepted as the recognition that a thread has unwoven or died an ugly death.

I will await the council's decision.

Posted by: seamrog, trying to sound like Rod Serling at February 16, 2013 10:12 PM (FTwby)

143 >>>makes at all times, but especially when dimmed

Even an incandescent bulb does this when dimmed. Makes the filament "sing". I hate it, just nature of the beast. I spent ten years as a factory rep for Sylvania, but that was a long time ago. No experience with LEDs in the home.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 16, 2013 10:13 PM (4Mv1T)

144 Slainte

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 16, 2013 10:10 PM (wX9t0)




*slams it back*


Three words for you: Daddy. Daughter. Ball.



Me, an almost 6 year old and an almost 3 year old.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at February 16, 2013 10:13 PM (GEICT)

145 Speaking of fiber optics, does any one know if
they could be used to bring daylight (at a useful level) into a "Hobbit
hole" style house?

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, assault Hobbit at February 16, 2013 10:05 PM (wbeNt)


Spend some time on a non-google search engine looking at "light ducts" or
"light pipes", or maybe "light chimneys."

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 16, 2013 10:14 PM (673KB)

146 DIMENSIONS!

Posted by: Raid at February 16, 2013 10:14 PM (rZ45y)

147 Polliwog, you might enjoy the ingenuity displayed if you go to youtube and search "water bottle light."

Posted by: Mindy at February 16, 2013 10:14 PM (gBOQE)

148 O/B..Having owned a fleet of Harleys, and built a few custom bikes, I almost looked into just buying my own chroming Eq. NO THANKS! Much more work, and the chemistry/chemicals are almost as dangerous as my Meth Lab!
I've been doing a bit of "black chroming" lately. Nice look, but not very durable.

Posted by: hutch1200 at February 16, 2013 10:14 PM (7FDZw)

149 ONT up

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 16, 2013 10:16 PM (wX9t0)

150 #137

LED and CFLs can get annoyingly buzzy if you have a lot of line noise. Ferrite cores around the lamp's power cord can fix that. These are the 'undigested meals' you often see on power cords for computer gear.

Posted by: epobirs at February 16, 2013 10:17 PM (kcfmt)

151 The oil companies don't get the credit they deserve for helping create modern civilization.
Posted by: epobirs at February 16, 2013 10:11 PM (kcfmt)

Well duh, it's 'cause they're teh EVIL!!!!1!!1!!11!!!

Posted by: Coed at February 16, 2013 10:17 PM (gBOQE)

152
O/B..Having owned a fleet of Harleys, and built a few custom bikes, I almost looked into just buying my own chroming Eq. NO THANKS! Much more work, and the chemistry/chemicals are almost as dangerous as my Meth Lab!

For some unfathomable cosmic reason, the chemistry of electroplating is incredibly nasty. Cyanides, chromates, etc. are definitely no fun.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 16, 2013 10:18 PM (IDSI7)

153 Thanks AOP and Mindy.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, assault Hobbit at February 16, 2013 10:19 PM (wbeNt)

154 #145

There are companies like Solatube that specialize in this.

Posted by: epobirs at February 16, 2013 10:19 PM (kcfmt)

155
Ferrite cores around the lamp's power cord can fix that. These are the 'undigested meals' you often see on power cords for computer gear.
Posted by: epobirs at February 16, 2013 10:17 PM (kcfmt)


Interesting. Dampens out the 60 Hz hum?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 16, 2013 10:19 PM (IDSI7)

156 Behold my saran-wrap-like disguise!

Posted by: SEE THROUGH at February 16, 2013 10:19 PM (rZ45y)

157 Watch me repeat my self ad nauseous!

Posted by: SEE THROUGH at February 16, 2013 10:21 PM (rZ45y)

158 127

GGE, just remember that the derivative is the slope.

Posted by: Coed at February 16, 2013 10:22 PM (gBOQE)

159 FWIW, I dont work for the company that makes the bulbs, just the company that makes the LED's.


Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at February 16, 2013 10:11 PM (yh0zB)


Understood. Not trying to slag your guys' product, but it appears the bulbs may have an issue with the circuit board, which I am guessing is a small switching power supply. Maybe a loose components? Some CFLs exhibit this issue too, dimmable or no. I don't use dimmers, but a bulb that makes noise would piss me off.
If I am going to pay $15 for a lamp, it had better not make audible noise.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 16, 2013 10:22 PM (673KB)

160 Oops, off stale collegiate sock!

Posted by: Mindy at February 16, 2013 10:23 PM (gBOQE)

161 #155

The devices do that normally since it's a given that it will be present. It's the other crap that creeps into the line that makes the noise.

For a while I was confused by the annoying noise that was often in the back ground of anime shows and movies in an urban or suburban setting. Then I realized it was the omnipresent effect of the power lines that are so much closer to people's home in the high density areas of Japan. It's a sort of audio cue to tell the viewer what kind of neighborhood the scene is set in.

Posted by: epobirs at February 16, 2013 10:26 PM (kcfmt)

162 Why do you hate reality? God controls our every move, every hair that falls from our various regions and you can't stand it.

Posted by: SEE THROUGH at February 16, 2013 10:27 PM (rZ45y)

163 Im tired of paying for minimum wage earners kids schooling, medical
care, food stamps, etc. The mastas should pay for their own slave labor,
not the middle class.

That is the stupidest thing I have ever thought about.

Posted by: SEE THROUGH at February 16, 2013 10:30 PM (rZ45y)

164 It's account like this that have always made me
averse to characters like Captain Nemo, who with a small number of
laborers manages to produce a nuclear sub a century ahead of many of the
critical industrial processes needed.

......

If you
look at what gasoline costs after taking away all of the expenses
imposed by government, it is a testament to the amazing gains in
industrial efficiency seen over the last century. Factor in inflation
and gas has gotten remarkably cheap in the face of rapidly growing
demand. The oil companies don't get the credit they deserve for helping
create modern civilization.


Posted by: epobirs at February 16, 2013 10:11 PM (kcfmt)


Verne didn't describe the Nautilus as being nuclear powered; it ran on electricity from storage batteries, and had electric lights. This was cutting-edge technology at the time of writing, but he was dealing in stuff that technically-savvy people could foresee as being possible.
And regarding the oil companies" this^^^^

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 16, 2013 10:31 PM (673KB)

165 It took a hell of a while after oil refining started up to come up with the specialty applications we associate with it now. Early machine lubes, right up through the end of the 19th cent, were alchemists' formulas. One product still popular today was mostly linseed oil and rendered animal fats from garbage. It was possible to develop high-pressure lubes predictably from this stock a generation before petroleum could yield it.

Those oils were in so much demand that several cities in the 1890's -- DC and Toledo, that I know of -- not only did not pay to have their garbage collected, but actually bid it out and received money for the privilege of hauling it away. During both world wars, there were collection schemes established to conserve those fats for industrial lubricant use. There's something about explosives, too, but shhh.

So in my town there is a creek that runs past "our" refinery, and the better'n'thou crowd has always sneeringly called it "Oil Crick." It's muddy, since it runs through clay soil and has not much of a gradient, but having some relatives in that oil bidness I knew there just wasn't that much pollutant getting loose. I looked into it and found the creek had been called that 25 years before the refinery was built, because of the linseed oil that ended up in it from the old pressing plants farther upstream.


Posted by: comatus at February 16, 2013 10:34 PM (qaVK+)

166 I still like my analogy of an inverted pyramid model of modern technological society. Each new process/method depends upon the existence of many other processes/components/suppliers. Furthermore, a seemingly minor perturbation at a lower level can have significant effects to the overall stability of the entire (pyramidal) system of systems. Usually, the higher levels compensate by expanding or contracting to maintain relative overall system stability. When this is not possible, a catastrophic system instability occurs and the correction process is abrupt and messy!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 16, 2013 10:34 PM (Cnqmv)

167 Metal stamping is my business! Our favorite lube is a Sulfurized cutting oil. I think it also has animal fat in it. And some light solvents to keep it from smelling too much like ass. We go through 55 gallons a month, and we're a tiny company. Our biggest press is only 150 tons. But we specialize in small precision parts. Flapper valves, embossments, light drawing. We also run Fourslides, which are confusing to people. Lots of Brass, Beryllium Copper, Phosphor Bronze, Stainless, Nickel Alloys. Scavengers are constantly trying to steal or buy our scrap. They'll offer a shop employee $100 cash for $500 worth of stainless. Thankfully, my employees are honest enough to come and get me.

Posted by: Chris M at February 16, 2013 10:34 PM (4lyMJ)

168 You POS Raid, no one is considered successful until they make over 200k per year. What do you make raid, 40 at most???

Posted by: SEE THROUGH at February 16, 2013 10:35 PM (rZ45y)

169 What I find odd is the frackers have supposedly reduced the price of NG by 2/3rds, but my home heating bill is still around 400 per month. It has not changed in the last 10 years or so.

Posted by: Light at February 16, 2013 10:43 PM (rZ45y)

170 #164

I tend to forget that was an addition made by the 1954 Disney movie. But it rang true. Even with the most modern implementation of Sodium/Mercury batteries taking advantage of the oceans endless supply of sodium, the Nautilus would have perpetually been starved for power or have been about 80% batteries. The issue wouldn't be running out of power so much as never having enough at any one time or being limited to very brief periods of full performance.

Otherwise, the criticism still holds. If you look at what was involved in producing WWII era subs, the idea that Nemo and a few dozen others could pull all of this together while still young enough to get any value from it was highly questionable. The amount of stuff that had to be developed and source from scratch is stunning when you work it all out.

Posted by: epobirs at February 16, 2013 10:44 PM (kcfmt)

171
During both world wars, there were collection schemes established to conserve those fats for industrial lubricant use. There's something about explosives, too, but shhh.
Posted by: comatus at February 16, 2013 10:34 PM (qaVK+)


Fats are triacyl glycerols --> glycerol --> nitroglycerine.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 16, 2013 10:58 PM (IDSI7)

172 Many of the reviews at the Best Buy site mention an audible buzzing
noise that the bulb makes at all times, but especially when dimmed.
Sounds like a design flaw that needs to be addressed.


The bulb ballasts have a transformer, full wave diode bridge, a little VRM and a few caps to smooth shit out.

The dimmer switches use a thing called a triac which is completely different than the old rheostat style dimmer. The triac dorks the duty cycle of the 120v sine wave, so its no longer smooth, rather a low duty cycle spikey kinda thing.

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 16, 2013 10:58 PM (1rU+d)

173 @ 71 GGE ,

I dont know if this has been answered yet. Parkerizing is something used to prevent oxidation (rust) via a Zn or Mn phosphating process.

BTW I have a lot of chrome lined barrel firearms and they are great for preventing corrosion. They (whoever they are) say it effects accuracy because the chrome lining can't be applied evenly. However they never seem to effect accuracy that much (for me anyway).

I am speaking solely off experience with SKS's. The Yugoslavian ones have no chrome lining (Yugoslavia had no native deposits of chrome) vs the Russian and Chinese ones. They all seem about the same to me. Of course I'm only shooting at 200 yards with SKS's.

Posted by: Judge_Roy_Bean at February 16, 2013 10:58 PM (cCxiu)

174 The bulb ballasts have a transformer, full wave diode bridge, a little VRM and a few caps to smooth shit out.

The
dimmer switches use a thing called a triac which is completely
different than the old rheostat style dimmer. The triac dorks the duty
cycle of the 120v sine wave, so its no longer smooth, rather a low duty
cycle spikey kinda thing.


Posted by: @PurpAv at February 16, 2013 10:58 PM (1rU+d)

Yeah, I get that. Triac dimmers and transformers don't get along, because transformers are optimized for a sine wave, and the triac basically turns that into a string of pulses. So what they are doing is calling their lamp "dimmable" because it can be dimmed by a Triac dimmer, as long as the user is willing to put up with the noise, which, granted, may not always occur.
I don't have any dimmers in my home anyway. I do use some CFL lamps, and the ones in the bathroom emit a high whine at times. But I limit my bathroom visits to the time required for the task at hand, so it doesn't really bother me there.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 17, 2013 01:45 AM (673KB)






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