How History Starts, and How it Repeats

Chicago Trib, circa 1934.

There is nothing, nothing new under the sun. Note the plan of action, and the approval of Stalin.

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And yes, that Harold L. Ickes, FDR's Sec Interior, is the father of Harold M. Ickes, Bill Clinton's Deputy Chief of Staff. Bill Clinton isn't the focus of big government evil in the world today, it's just pedigree and stuff regarding Democrats.

Posted by: Dave In Texas at 04:41 PM



Comments

1 Looks like today

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at February 16, 2013 04:45 PM (R8hU8)

2 The only difference is....today, they have me.

Posted by: Preezy $1000 Golf Lessons at February 16, 2013 04:50 PM (QMD0T)

3 We're boned.

Conservatives are in complete disarray and our leaders are, for the most part, only in it for the trappings of power.

Jesus, I hope some of the state-level GOPers have their acts together so we can get back the Senate.

Posted by: Y-not at February 16, 2013 04:50 PM (5H6zj)

4
Is that a younger and more vibrant looking Nancy Pelosi on the front seat?

Posted by: garrett at February 16, 2013 04:51 PM (R4+dU)

5 I don't like Obama

Posted by: By Any Means Necessary at February 16, 2013 04:51 PM (+RF5c)

6 Hey.. I got my 'Bama phone.. and my Earned Income Tax Credits.. and Food Stamps redeemable at the Quick-Mart for ciggies and booze.. and extra cash for each mouth to feed. Things are good!

Posted by: King Putt follower at February 16, 2013 04:54 PM (UTq/I)

7 One one reason we escaped FDR....

Posted by: USS Diversity at February 16, 2013 04:54 PM (QLJPW)

8 Yeah.. 1934 is about right for a younger San Fran Nan..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 16, 2013 04:54 PM (UTq/I)

9 Even the lowest information voter can understand this. Now all they have to do is care.

Posted by: gracepmc at February 16, 2013 04:55 PM (rznx3)

10 To Everything (Turn, Turn, Turn)
There is a season (Turn, Turn, Turn)

Posted by: The Byrds at February 16, 2013 04:56 PM (Fpyu+)

11 Meanwhile fascism and joooo-hatred is on the rise in Europe and North Africa. It's 1934 all over again!

Posted by: Cicero Kid at February 16, 2013 04:58 PM (UrENZ)

12 Shit, most Saturdays go hours without a new thread

Are we going to have a thread stomping battle like yesterday?

Posted by: kbdabear at February 16, 2013 04:58 PM (mCvL4)

13 new thread up

Posted by: USS Diversity at February 16, 2013 04:59 PM (QLJPW)

14 Did I tell you that you can get a $75 Medical Weed discount if you use food stamps in Phoenix? Just sayin. All purpose EBT. Groovy baby. Like Far Out.

Posted by: Guido at February 16, 2013 05:00 PM (XLuH2)

15 Didn't South of the Border used to have a billboard that said "All that was old is new again!"?

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 16, 2013 05:02 PM (1rU+d)

16 Ickes was probably the only one in FDR's administration that possibly wasn't a commie.

Posted by: waldo at February 16, 2013 05:02 PM (6J6x7)

17 From 1991. Chuck Asay. From the blog I don't have like AllenG.
http://tinyurl.com/b7pt8jw

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 16, 2013 05:03 PM (7tbEC)

18 ...There is nothing, nothing new under the sun.

-King Solomon

Lots of wisdom, lots of money, lots of wives.

"Lots of wives". I'll just keep the one, thanks.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 16, 2013 05:05 PM (4Mv1T)

19 Were there flying squid in 1934?

Posted by: Cicero Kid at February 16, 2013 05:08 PM (UrENZ)

20 All this has happened before, and will happen again.

Posted by: eman at February 16, 2013 05:08 PM (wSP58)

21 Were there flying squid in 1934?

Underwater. Like underground, but with more moisture.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at February 16, 2013 05:08 PM (xKC/c)

22 ID 4 on Spike. I missed the best part, where the big shadow moves over the Apollo 11 site.

Posted by: USS Diversity at February 16, 2013 05:09 PM (QLJPW)

23 Socialism attracts asteroids.

That's the trend I see.

Posted by: eman at February 16, 2013 05:09 PM (wSP58)

24
Just returned from meeting with the GU debate team. I managed to give two great hummer's, but was pressed for time and unable to accommodate the blue team with muffin.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at February 16, 2013 05:09 PM (ndqJC)

25 What's ID4?

Posted by: Y-not at February 16, 2013 05:10 PM (5H6zj)

26 major shake-ups in history are usually always due to $$$ - mostly lack thereof by the common man. Despots, tyrants and commies flourish when people are reduced to poverty.

"To kill a man, you don't have to take his life, just take away his work." - Enzo Biagi

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at February 16, 2013 05:10 PM (53riN)

27 What's ID4?

Roland Emmerich's movie Independence Day.

Posted by: Waterhouse at February 16, 2013 05:11 PM (Uv0lt)

28 Hooray, I just picked up my three blondes. The house is in Chaos again. I can relax.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 16, 2013 05:12 PM (l86i3)

29 Sweet new hash.

Usain Volt.

Posted by: Waterhouse at February 16, 2013 05:12 PM (Uv0lt)

30 Thx Waterhouse

Posted by: Y-not at February 16, 2013 05:12 PM (5H6zj)

31 I posted that cartoon on a website five years ago. It pretty much sums up Democrats.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 16, 2013 05:14 PM (bb5+k)

32 Obama runs FDR's plan, gets FDR's results, but doesn't have FDR's war...YET.

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 16, 2013 05:14 PM (1rU+d)

33 "What has been is what will be, and what has been done is what will be done, and there is nothing new under the sun. Is there a thing of which it is said, 'See, this is new'? It has been already in the ages before us."

Ecclesiastes 1:9-10

Posted by: 80sBaby at February 16, 2013 05:15 PM (YjDyJ)

34 Even in the 30s, there was stigma in being out of work. Now? Hellz naw.

Posted by: USS Diversity at February 16, 2013 05:16 PM (QLJPW)

35
Even in the 30s, there was stigma in being out of work. Now? Hellz naw.

Posted by: USS Diversity at February 16, 2013 05:16 PM (QLJPW)

And this is why I think the next economic depression will be infinitely worse. 1930 people were Hardy, Religious, and used to sacrifice. This bunch we have now will throw a hissy fit and burn everything down.





Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 16, 2013 05:17 PM (bb5+k)

36 >>but doesn't have FDR's war...YET.

Seems inevitable to me. It's just a question of *which* crisis pushes it over the edge. Internal, or external. Either would do it.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 16, 2013 05:18 PM (4Mv1T)

37
Hardy, Religious, and used to sacrifice. This bunch we have now will throw a hissy fit and burn everything down.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 16, 2013 05:17 PM (bb5+k)
----------------
This. And while we have many greathardcorekids---the ones that haven't been sacrificed in the ME--, this is definitely NOT a greatest generation. People back then were tougher, that's why we won WWII.

Posted by: USS Diversity at February 16, 2013 05:20 PM (QLJPW)

38 Hey! WE have a DOOM thread. That should get this happy hour rockin'.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 16, 2013 05:22 PM (4Mv1T)

39 Hey! WE have a DOOM thread. That should get this happy hour rockin'.


Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 16, 2013 05:22 PM (4Mv1T)


I think every thread I get involved with becomes a DOOM thread. That, or a bitching session about how we will never start to solve any problems till we can do something about the Liberal Democrat Union Members hired from New York who run the Media.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 16, 2013 05:25 PM (bb5+k)

40 Even in the 30s, there was stigma in being out of work. Now? Hellz naw.

***

I busted my ass for three years following my diagnosis with CHF and nearly dropped dead because of it.

Now, I am on disability and had to fight a serious bout of depression upon the realization that my best working years are behind me.

My identity was so tied to my career that, even now, 9 months later, I still have no idea how to adjust to the change.

While there are those who have no problem being part of the unemployed masses, there are still some of us for whom it is an utter humiliation.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 16, 2013 05:25 PM (piMMO)

41 http://babalublog.com/2013/02/16/america-we-hardly-knew-ye/




Posted by: LC LaWedgie at February 16, 2013 05:25 PM (bGlsD)

42 Don't forget, this time Fedco has armed every agency, with full auto weapons and a craptastic ammount of ammo. Shits gonna get real and the peons are gonna take it in the shorts.

Posted by: Gmac - Waiting for the revolution at February 16, 2013 05:26 PM (IanLz)

43 Yeah, I've seen that drawing before. Sucks, huh.

You know what hurts the worst? Pravda laughing at us, and giving useful warning advice.

Now excuse me while I go abuse my liver again.

Posted by: GnuBreed at February 16, 2013 05:26 PM (cHZB7)

44 Well, the Federal govt turned the CA central valley into a dust bowl, we do got that going for us...

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 16, 2013 05:26 PM (1rU+d)

45 Well, the Federal govt turned the CA central valley into a dust bowl, we do got that going for us...

Look for a giant migration to Oklahoma. We'll call them Callies.

Posted by: pep at February 16, 2013 05:27 PM (6TB1Z)

46
@11

Shit man.... facism and jooooooooo hatred are on the rise here as well.
Part of the DNC platform is kill all the Isrealies and let Palastinians walk on the fresh dead jooooooo bodies..... or something like that.... I may be stretching it some there a little bit........

Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at February 16, 2013 05:27 PM (LMtDw)

47 Obama runs FDR's plan, gets FDR's results, but doesn't have FDR's war...YET.

That's where Hagel and Iran come in.

Posted by: Decaf at February 16, 2013 05:28 PM (NmvvV)

48 My identity was so tied to my career that, even now, 9 months later, I still have no idea how to adjust to the change.

----

Sorry to hear that NDH. I empathize.

Posted by: Y-not at February 16, 2013 05:29 PM (5H6zj)

49
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 16, 2013 05:25 PM (piMMO)

-------------------------

Should have clarified----I was thinking of Boyz in the Hood. What is CHF?

Posted by: USS Diversity at February 16, 2013 05:30 PM (QLJPW)

50 I think I'm going to take a nap and drift off to the soothing sounds of Abe Lincoln Vampire Hunter.

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 16, 2013 05:30 PM (1rU+d)

51 Well, the Federal govt turned the CA central valley into a dust bowl, we do got that going for us...

Look for a giant migration to Oklahoma. We'll call them Callies.


Posted by: pep at February 16, 2013 05:27 PM (6TB1Z)


You want to know the good thing about the first Mass Migration from Oklahoma to California during the dust bowl?


It raised the IQ level of BOTH states.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 16, 2013 05:30 PM (bb5+k)

52
I busted my ass for three years following my diagnosis with CHF and nearly dropped dead because of it.




Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 16, 2013 05:25 PM (piMMO)


Probably obvious advice, but if you are having heart trouble, perhaps you should avoid the news. I know it raises my blood pressure.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 16, 2013 05:32 PM (bb5+k)

53 While there are those who have no problem being part of the unemployed masses, there are still some of us for whom it is an utter humiliation.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 16, 2013 05:25 PM (piMMO)


Find a way to be productive (and that doesn't just mean money) without busting your ass.

That's not judgement, just a suggestion for helping you live with where you are - I sure as Hell know I haven't figured it out yet, but I'm trying.

I've coped okay with the "not driving myself nuts" part. Not great, just okay. Taking a "one foot in front of the other" approach and trying to walk away from the stress.

It's a survival thing.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 16, 2013 05:33 PM (bxiXv)

54 Of course history can repeat since the education system has dumbed down the last three generations to such an extent that history even as recent as 40 years is a mystery to most people. The complete corruption of the media is there to convince otherwise those who still remember significant events.

Posted by: Decaf at February 16, 2013 05:33 PM (NmvvV)

55 I remember when I ran across that cartoon a few years ago.
So far back in fact I posted it on the blog that shall remain nameless.

Damned if it's not even more right on today.

Ah hell, I've obviously not had enough to drink cuz I can still reads it.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at February 16, 2013 05:33 PM (Qxdfp)

56
Oh, and outstanding post Dave in Texas....
...a lot of those old cartoons would make great billboards to put up around state capitals and in D.C. Might wake up some of the mushy middle "compromisers" in the republican establishmenton where massive borrowing and spending and printing and spending lead to.....

....then again, probably not.

Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at February 16, 2013 05:34 PM (LMtDw)

57 Is it safe to come out now or are more open blogger posts going to drop from the sky?

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright's Sock Puppet at February 16, 2013 05:34 PM (+OTLF)

58 I can relate NDH... been laid off 3 times in the last 4 years and I'm mortified each time. The depression is an evil monster that you have to beat.

Posted by: Gmac - Waiting for the revolution at February 16, 2013 05:34 PM (IanLz)

59 I've coped okay with the "not driving myself nuts"
part. Not great, just okay. Taking a "one foot in front of the other"
approach and trying to walk away from the stress.



It's a survival thing.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 16, 2013 05:33 PM (bxiXv)


I have seriously cut back on my consumption of news and of reading conservative websites. I need to focus more on being productive, and less on worrying about things that are just beyond my ability to easily affect.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 16, 2013 05:34 PM (bb5+k)

60 Should have clarified----I was thinking of Boyz in the Hood. What is CHF?

Posted by: USS Diversity at February 16, 2013 05:30 PM (QLJPW)


Congestive Heart Failure. The heart turns into a lazy little bastard (various causes).

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 16, 2013 05:35 PM (bxiXv)

61 Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 16, 2013 05:33 PM (bxiXv)

***

You, too, huh?

Why are you OOW?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 16, 2013 05:36 PM (piMMO)

62 Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 16, 2013 05:34 PM (bb5+k)

In other words, my post-election motto: Don't stroke out trying to stop a tidal wave with a soup spoon.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 16, 2013 05:36 PM (bxiXv)

63 Should have clarified----I was thinking of Boyz in the Hood. What is CHF?
Posted by: USS Diversity at February 16, 2013 05:30 PM (QLJPW)
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Congestive Heart Failure.

Posted by: Darth Randall at February 16, 2013 05:36 PM (mV8sg)

64 I can relate NDH... been laid off 3 times in the last 4 years and I'm mortified each time. The depression is an evil monster that you have to beat.

***

I hope you have landed steady work. I know it's hard to come by thee days.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 16, 2013 05:38 PM (piMMO)

65 Why are you OOW?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 16, 2013 05:36 PM (piMMO)


Heart failure and complications thereof. Working on finding a way to "work around it" if you will, we'll see. Lots of bad days.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 16, 2013 05:38 PM (bxiXv)

66 There was a time when my landlady did not raise the rent every year. They can raise it 3-5%. But since she died and her husband took over, it's like clockwork. I also have to fight with him over raising it before a year has passed and for raising it more than the law allows.

Posted by: waldo at February 16, 2013 05:38 PM (6J6x7)

67 In other words, my post-election motto: Don't stroke out trying to stop a tidal wave with a soup spoon.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 16, 2013 05:36 PM (bxiXv)

Or to put it another way, " How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb." (The economic bomb, that is. )


Let it burn.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 16, 2013 05:38 PM (bb5+k)

68 Congestive Heart Failure. The heart turns into a lazy little bastard

***

Heh.

Yep. That pretty much describes it.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 16, 2013 05:38 PM (piMMO)

69 I have seriously cut back on my consumption of news
and of reading conservative websites. I need to focus more on being
productive, and less on worrying about things that are just beyond my
ability to easily affect because there are so many mother fucking lazy greedy stupid idiots in this country that want to vote themselves free stuff and until they bankrupt the country and are forced to become cannibals to survive or starve to death, they wont get it.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 16, 2013 05:34 PM (bb5+k)

THis! and FIFY

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright's Sock Puppet at February 16, 2013 05:39 PM (+OTLF)

70 President Obama should go to Iran and ask them to be cool and shit.

He should bring Beyonce and a chocolate cake.

Posted by: LIV at February 16, 2013 05:39 PM (9n4Hw)

71
Congestive Heart Failure.


That sucks. Had a cousin drop dead at 28, coronary issues scare me, but not as much as cancer, and what the HELL! Weekends are supposed to be happy fun time.. Anyway hang in there NDH

Posted by: USS Diversity at February 16, 2013 05:39 PM (QLJPW)

72 Heart failure and complications thereof. Working on finding a way to "work around it" if you will, we'll see. Lots of bad days.

***

I'm sorry.

It's a bitch that turns your entire life upside down.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 16, 2013 05:39 PM (piMMO)

73 and Merovign

Posted by: USS Diversity at February 16, 2013 05:40 PM (QLJPW)

74 >>>In other words, my post-election motto: Don't stroke out trying to stop a tidal wave with a soup spoon.

I call it the last stage of grief.

(grudging) acceptance.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 16, 2013 05:40 PM (4Mv1T)

75 It's a bitch that turns your entire life upside down.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 16, 2013 05:39 PM (piMMO)


Yep. Could be worse, though.

I could be in Detroit.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 16, 2013 05:41 PM (bxiXv)

76 THis! and FIFY


Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright's Sock Puppet at February 16, 2013 05:39 PM (+OTLF)

Thanks. That is exactly what I meant.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 16, 2013 05:41 PM (bb5+k)

77 I like a little content in my weekend threads. Thanks Dave in Texas.

Posted by: Eaton Cox at February 16, 2013 05:41 PM (q177U)

78 Thanks, USSD. I'll be okay, I've had my life turned upside down before, and I survived that.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 16, 2013 05:41 PM (bxiXv)

79 That sucks. Had a cousin drop dead at 28, coronary issues scare me, but not as much as cancer, and what the HELL! Weekends are supposed to be happy fun time.. Anyway hang in there NDH

***

Thanks. I just wanted to address the question of there being no shame/stygma to being unemployed.

I'm hanging with my fellow morons, sipping a cup o' joe, my bestest kitteh by my side...

It's all good.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 16, 2013 05:42 PM (piMMO)

80 post-election motto: Don't stroke out trying to stop a tidal wave with a soup spoon.

Posted by: Merovign
----

Really well-said.

Posted by: Y-not at February 16, 2013 05:42 PM (5H6zj)

81 Whoops! Wrong thread!

Posted by: waldo at February 16, 2013 05:42 PM (6J6x7)

82 What I see today also echoes the foolish economic policy of the president of the Republic of Texas, Mirabeau B Lamar. He spent way too much on things that had nothing to do with protecting the young Republic from Mexico, and his answer to the debt was to print more money, called Redbacks, leaving the currency almost worthless. The U.S. bailed them out with statehood, but there is no one to bail out the U.S. today.

Posted by: Brisco_County at February 16, 2013 05:43 PM (B0Zzk)

83 Dick cancer scares me.


Also, cardboard

Posted by: Truman North at February 16, 2013 05:43 PM (I2LwF)

84
Thanks. I just wanted to address the question of there being no shame/stygma to being unemployed.

---------------------------------

Yeah... I meant not to right thinking people. I just think we're outnumbered and the oligarchy is facilitating that.

Posted by: USS Diversity at February 16, 2013 05:45 PM (QLJPW)

85 Thanks Y-not. Feel free to steal it.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 16, 2013 05:45 PM (bxiXv)

86 The more things change, the more they stay fucked up.

Posted by: Craig Poe at February 16, 2013 05:45 PM (BVkEs)

87 Come on you guys. There are 650,000 people in your congressional district, and you don't think there's enough of us out there to make a difference?

Posted by: Truman North at February 16, 2013 05:45 PM (I2LwF)

88 85 Thanks Y-not. Feel free to steal it.

---

I tweeted it with credit to you!

Posted by: Y-not at February 16, 2013 05:46 PM (5H6zj)

89 The U.S. bailed them out with statehood, but there is no one to bail out the U.S. today.


Posted by: Brisco_County at February 16, 2013 05:43 PM (B0Zzk)

HI FROM CHINA!

Posted by: ObaMao at February 16, 2013 05:46 PM (+OTLF)

90 Whoops! Wrong thread!

Don't you hate it when that happens? Like when you show up at work with no pants.

Not me of course. Just... someone I know. Yea. Someone. Not me.


Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 16, 2013 05:46 PM (4Mv1T)

91 WORLD WAR Z IS COMING!


Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright's Sock Puppet at February 16, 2013 05:46 PM (+OTLF)

92 I'm gonna fuck shit up.

I got 40 more years on this good earth God willing. I'm not gonna spend them wallowing.

Posted by: Truman North at February 16, 2013 05:46 PM (I2LwF)

93 Don't you hate it when that happens? Like when you show up at work with no pants.

***

I once showed up with to different color shoes on.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 16, 2013 05:47 PM (piMMO)

94 Although I do plan to be bitter and curmudgeonly.

Posted by: Truman North at February 16, 2013 05:47 PM (I2LwF)

95 two

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 16, 2013 05:48 PM (piMMO)

96 I'm bitterly clinging to the Constitution.

Posted by: Craig Poe at February 16, 2013 05:49 PM (BVkEs)

97 how long did the roman empire last....

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright's Sock Puppet at February 16, 2013 05:49 PM (+OTLF)

98 >>>I once showed up with to different color shoes on.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse


My favorite female co-worker did that once. She was funny as hell anyway. And hers were REALLY different looking shoes.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 16, 2013 05:49 PM (4Mv1T)

99 I just had a novel idea, too. Not a great one, but Imma write it down now anyway.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 16, 2013 05:50 PM (bxiXv)

100 >>I once showed up with to different color shoes on.

Mr Y-not did that once - two different colors of cordovan dress shoes.

Posted by: Y-not at February 16, 2013 05:51 PM (5H6zj)

101 I tweeted it with credit to you!

Posted by: Y-not at February 16, 2013 05:46 PM (5H6zj)


Wait, does that make me a Twit?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 16, 2013 05:51 PM (bxiXv)

102 Stupid Russians built a city in a meteor trail!

Posted by: LIV at February 16, 2013 05:53 PM (bHt2F)

103 92---" I'm gonna fuck shit up. "

Posted by: Truman North at February 16, 2013 05:46 PM (I2LwF)

THAT is a plan.
The only way we can win is to try.
Even if you are convinced (as I am) that winning is impossible, why not give it a shot anyway?
Because at the very least you can delay the loss of liberties.
And, above all, because it drives the Left crazy. Who wants to go gentle into that good night? Bite their ankles. Laugh at them. Make it as hard and painful for them as you can.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 16, 2013 05:53 PM (C8mVl)

104 87 Come on you guys. There are 650,000 people in your congressional district, and you don't think there's enough of us out there to make a difference?

Posted by: Truman North at February 16, 2013 05:45 PM (I2LwF)


Most people don't know where to start and have more than enough shit going on keeping their own lives in order.

We need Community Organizers - someone like you needs to train people from other districts to get people contributing what they can where it's needed.

The GOP is a SCOAMF in that respect. The NRA does a half-ass job (seriously, 4.5 million out of 100 million) and look how effective they are.

I have looked a little into what to do locally but it's both incestuous and I don't have a lot to offer (yet). Also I'm in a red county in a blue state, so I'm kind of preaching to the choir. Kind of.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 16, 2013 05:55 PM (bxiXv)

105 >>>two different colors of cordovan dress shoes.

But...but, cordovan IS a color. That's like saying two different colors of black shoes.

(although technically "cordovan" is horse's ass)

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 16, 2013 05:55 PM (4Mv1T)

106 We got stomped, didn't we.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 16, 2013 05:56 PM (bxiXv)

107 Damned if we didn't. It's jumping off one plane, only to catch another that will only take you to the end of the runway.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 16, 2013 05:58 PM (4Mv1T)

108 Also, by a "taste" thread. No interest.

I wanted Truman to start Community Organizer school.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 16, 2013 05:59 PM (bxiXv)

109 Okay. What I'm going to do is write a journal. Then I can say for sure what works and what doesn't.

But god... Do something to take over your GOP.

Posted by: Truman North at February 16, 2013 06:00 PM (I2LwF)

110 The black hole in my house that eats up socks has more than once left me with only one black sock and one brown sock to wear. If people notice when I sat down and my pants got slightly hiked up they were too polite to say anything.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 16, 2013 06:02 PM (PxYrx)

111 >>But...but, cordovan IS a color.

Red is a color, but there are different shades of red.

The shoe mfrs make/sell a lot of shoes they call cordovan that are not the same shade.

Posted by: Y-not at February 16, 2013 06:03 PM (5H6zj)

112
I have looked a little into what to do locally
but it's both incestuous and I don't have a lot to offer (yet). Also I'm
in a red county in a blue state, so I'm kind of preaching to the choir.
Kind of.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 16, 2013 05:55 PM (bxiXv)

I have pondered this problem for years. The problem is not my area, or even my state. It is conservative. (let's stop using the color RED to describe conservatives. That is the color used to describe Communists, meaning Liberals.)

In order to have an impact, I have to perform operations in other states, and that is expensive and difficult, not to mention the fact that Americans resent interlopers.

Really people, it is mostly the cities which are the problem. Unless you can produce a message that will be seen by these folk, you are mostly wasting your time. Billboards placed along roads leading into cities is a plausible option, but not if you have to pay for them. Even then, you need a catchy and quick message.

The real problem is that the Liberal Democrat Union members who control the media from their New York Social environment serves the function of a goalie who won't let you near the public unless you can get past them.

I say break the goalies legs, if we can. This ain't soccer. It's war.









Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 16, 2013 06:03 PM (bb5+k)

113 MDLS and TN. Knowing what to do, and what is necessary to put up with, would indeed be valuable to know. OSP's story of how his wife whipped a local county GOP org into shape earlier today was inspiring.

I've been considering getting more involved, but I've worked mostly alone for over thirty years, and there's a reason. Not sure how much of the necessary BS I can tolerate, especially on an extended basis.


Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 16, 2013 06:05 PM (4Mv1T)

114 My Congressman has a lifetime ACU rating of 100.0. Could probably be more effective, but I don't see myself trying to oust them. Our *local* politics could use some work as far as buddy systems and cronyism, but locally we're not broke and not totally overrun by the various problems - though my State is boned and will take us with it.

I would, I am sure, not *entirely* be spinning my wheels here, but it's not the place that needs the most work.

I would like to help people in other districts if I could.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 16, 2013 06:06 PM (bxiXv)

115 Y-Not. Wasn't trying to bust on you. My wife and I debate what is black, or what is this, or what is that, way too often. I think men and women see things differently.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 16, 2013 06:07 PM (4Mv1T)

116 If I were to simply *jump in* now I would almost certainly alienate people and be marginalized. These are *professional politicians*, their job is keeping other people out.

I need to learn more about how these people work, either from someone who knows better or by helping out someone inside for a while.

Personally I still have problems keeping schedules because of health issues, but I would still like to learn.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 16, 2013 06:09 PM (bxiXv)

117 Merovign... That's part of what were doing with the PAC actually

Posted by: Truman North at February 16, 2013 06:09 PM (I2LwF)

118 Everyone must be on supper break. They're not here, and they're not at the movies (thread). Or we bored the snot out of 'em.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 16, 2013 06:13 PM (4Mv1T)

119 Everyone must be on supper break. They're not here, and they're not at the movies (thread). Or we bored the snot out of 'em.


Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 16, 2013 06:13 PM (4Mv1T)

I've been a political soldier. Had a great deal of success with it too. I appointed myself to lead a dirty tricks unit, and it worked out great. The Democrat candidate was SO mad, he filed FEC charges against me.

Fucking loser ended up staying in Washington DC. Still there for all I know.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at February 16, 2013 06:23 PM (bb5+k)

120
I would, I am sure, not *entirely* be spinning my wheels here, but it's not the place that needs the most work.

I would like to help people in other districts if I could.

Come vote a couple of times out here!!! We need your votes here in blue, blue, dumb Seattle!

Posted by: runningrn who looks like her mother but with her father's nose and thighs at February 16, 2013 06:27 PM (Ag5D2)

121 Merovign and NDH, I am so sorry to hear of your struggles with CHF. That is a nasty disease that makes people feel like crap! I wish you both the best! I'm sure you've both already done this, but have you had your heart valves checked by a cardiologist?

Posted by: runningrn who looks like her mother but with her father's nose and thighs at February 16, 2013 06:29 PM (Ag5D2)

122 Yeah dead thread

Posted by: Truman North at February 16, 2013 06:56 PM (I2LwF)

123 87 Come on you guys. There are 650,000 people in your congressional district, and you don't think there's enough of us out there to make a difference?

*******

This raises an interesting point. To whom are our congresspeople beholden? With that many individuals in a given congressional district, the chance of any one citizen interacting meaningfully with their representative is negligible. Thousands of e-mails received, no way is the congressman or his staff going to actually read those. So, they tend to rely on opinion polls for input, and talking points (form letters) for response. It's no wonder individual citizens feel disenfranchised.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 16, 2013 07:04 PM (qqZuQ)

124 Ah hell, all that typing, wasted on a dead thread. Pbbffffft!


And I was unusually brilliant and insightful. Who knew?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 16, 2013 07:06 PM (qqZuQ)

125 I feel like slitting threads.

Posted by: Craig Poe, channeling Mencken at February 16, 2013 07:23 PM (BVkEs)

126 http://preview.tinyurl.com/buntn6y
Is this here yer new Smoot-Hawley? It sure as Hell could be.
Bitches.
Could also be the camel's nose under the tent for Shari'a-compliant finance on the Continent. You might be surprised.
Muzzie bitches.

Posted by: Thorvald at February 16, 2013 07:27 PM (1V6Pv)

127 Great news, if Jeb Bush gets in he can keep Ickes around to help with FDR/Great Society II.

Remember everyone, the GOP is alive and well, and way, way different than those socialist Democrats.

Keep telling yourself that.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at February 16, 2013 07:29 PM (MmH0Z)

128 Everyone must be on supper break. They're not here, and they're not at the movies (thread). Or we bored the snot out of 'em.


Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 16, 2013 06:13 PM (4Mv1T)


Crock pot ribs tonight. Slab of ribs cut up into 2 rib sections, put them in a crock pot with 2 cups of your favorite BBQ sauce, slow cook for 8 hours. So good they almost eat themselves.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at February 16, 2013 08:53 PM (yh0zB)

129 This time is different.

Posted by: Magus Perde at February 16, 2013 08:59 PM (WV0NL)

130 Cedar salmon on the grill tonight here. Mmmm!

Posted by: Magus Perde at February 16, 2013 09:01 PM (WV0NL)

131 Dry aged Angus New York Strip cooked directly on the coals. Was a bust, but learned what not to do.

Posted by: Raid at February 16, 2013 09:14 PM (rZ45y)






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