Susan Collins: I Will Help Appoint a Man I Consider Unqualified and Unfit for Duty as Secretary of State Because the NYT Will Say Nice Things About Me

We need our disasters to be bipartisan.

Posted by: Ace at 06:06 PM

Comments

1 She did the same damn thing for OCare.

Posted by: pep at February 13, 2013 06:08 PM (6TB1Z)

2 The LAPD fired Chris Dorner twice!

Has anyone else said that? 'Cause I just did.

Posted by: Dang at February 13, 2013 06:08 PM (R18D0)

3 What's wrong with her voting no?

Posted by: SH at February 13, 2013 06:09 PM (gmeXX)

4 Defense, not State

Posted by: wte9 at February 13, 2013 06:09 PM (6Tcdo)

5 The NYT is full of cunning linguists. Every Government whore has her price...

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 13, 2013 06:10 PM (ZuCIK)

6 She'll vote for cloture but actually vote against Kerry?!? What about Hagel?

Posted by: mugiwara at February 13, 2013 06:11 PM (hpYnL)

7 Why would we expect anything different from her. The fact that she may actually vote No is a good thing. Let's celebrate.

Posted by: SH at February 13, 2013 06:11 PM (gmeXX)

8 Bipartisan disasters are the best kind of disaster. Rs can take all the blame, and Ds can just walk away.

Teflon, baby. Teflon.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 13, 2013 06:12 PM (ZuCIK)

9 She is unqualified and unfit for duty as a US senator.

Why should she judge Hagel more harshly than she judges herself?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 13, 2013 06:12 PM (GsoHv)

10 Ace

Secretary of Defense

Posted by: tasker at February 13, 2013 06:12 PM (r2PLg)

11 And the GOP hasn't bounced this bitch because . . .

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 13, 2013 06:13 PM (QTHTd)

12 Doesn't she write sleazy chick books?

Posted by: dogfish at February 13, 2013 06:13 PM (N2yhW)

13 Can't touch this.

(Hammer and Sickle time!)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 13, 2013 06:13 PM (ZuCIK)

14 Although--

Kerry, Hagel--at this point, what difference does it make?

Posted by: tasker at February 13, 2013 06:13 PM (r2PLg)

15 Perhaps if she were shown a video of him sipping water during his confirmation hearing that might persuade her to vote against cloture.

Posted by: wte9 at February 13, 2013 06:13 PM (6Tcdo)

16 It's a twofer. Kerry needs to get a boot in his ass too.

Posted by: Fritz at February 13, 2013 06:13 PM (UzPAd)

17 moderation for the sake of it

two choices, and neither can be right!

Posted by: JDP at February 13, 2013 06:13 PM (60GaT)

18 >>>>The LAPD fired Dorner twice?

Does that they fired him once and then rehired him and then fired him a second time?

Posted by: L, elle at February 13, 2013 06:14 PM (5SlKF)

19 Ace

Secretary of Defense
Posted by: tasker at February 13, 2013 06:12 PM (r2PLg)

What does it matter?!?!?!?!

Posted by: Hillary! at February 13, 2013 06:14 PM (hpYnL)

20 Secretary of Defense
Posted by: tasker at February 13, 2013 06:12 PM (r2PLg)

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As if it really makes a difference. King Choom has all the power now.

Posted by: Soona at February 13, 2013 06:14 PM (tmdxK)

21 I come here just for these alternative headlines.

Posted by: locomotivebreath1901 at February 13, 2013 06:14 PM (g2GdP)

22 On the other hand, Collins was always a stupid 'bicurious' cunt, so...

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 13, 2013 06:14 PM (ZuCIK)

23 The fact that she may actually vote No is a good thing. Let's celebrate.

No, it's a fig leaf to cover for the fact that she's putting someone completely unqualified in a very important position. When the SHTF, she'll say "don't blame me, I voted against him".

Posted by: pep at February 13, 2013 06:15 PM (6TB1Z)

24

Why, she the most conservative candidate that can be elected! I wuv her!

Posted by: Karl Rove

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 13, 2013 06:15 PM (kdS6q)

25 Stand by for justice!

Posted by: Curt Henderson at February 13, 2013 06:15 PM (vU7KM)

26 And on the third hand, most Republicans are pretty 'bicurious,' so...

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 13, 2013 06:15 PM (ZuCIK)

27 I've used this joke before, but shut up, it's good anyway:

What do you call DDDDD DDDDD DDDDD DDDDD DDDDD DDDDD DDDDD DDDDD DDDR?

A bipartisan corruption scandal in New Jersey. http://tinyurl.com/adchhxm

Posted by: AmishDude at February 13, 2013 06:15 PM (T0NGe)

28 Just remember that people voted for this idiot to represent them. Pretty much calibrates the voters and the votee. Then say a brief prayer for the America you once knew and loved.

Posted by: Hrothgar Doom would be my middle name if I had one at February 13, 2013 06:16 PM (Cnqmv)

29 Ummm, ace, that would be SecDef.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 13, 2013 06:16 PM (UOM48)

30 When is Ace establishing the AoSHQ cult compound because I'm ready to move in?

Posted by: dogfish at February 13, 2013 06:16 PM (N2yhW)

31 >>>>The LAPD fired Dorner twice?

Does that they fired him once and then rehired him and then fired him a second time?

Posted by: L, elle

They fired him. And then they fired him again. With the hot, burny kind of fire.

Posted by: Dang at February 13, 2013 06:16 PM (R18D0)

32 Jibba-babble fooofer jum-jum wweeeeee!

Posted by: Honey Boo Boo voter at February 13, 2013 06:16 PM (qrpxS)

33 Am I missing something. A notorious RINO is saying she will vote No on Hagel, though she will vote yes on cloture. The only way to prevent this in the future is to put her job on the line. But we just established that in certain states we need to nominate these kind of people or else no Republican will get elected. This is the bad you take with a republican senator from the Northeast.

Posted by: SH at February 13, 2013 06:16 PM (gmeXX)

34 Senator Collins needs to be given a Maine surprise. Any volunteers?

Posted by: L, elle at February 13, 2013 06:16 PM (5SlKF)

35 And the GOP hasn't bounced this bitch because . . .
Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 13, 2013 06:13 PM (QTHTd)

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She may be old, but she still gives bitchin' blow jobs.

Posted by: Karl Rove at February 13, 2013 06:16 PM (tmdxK)

36 I think Collins was sort of mentored by Bill Cohen.

I think he also gave Olympia one of her first political jobs.

Posted by: tasker at February 13, 2013 06:17 PM (r2PLg)

37 Her voice gives me the heebie jeebies.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 13, 2013 06:17 PM (UOM48)

38 Maine is weird--it'll go Dem before you get more Conservative Republicans in there.

Posted by: tasker at February 13, 2013 06:18 PM (r2PLg)

39 first the LAPD fired Dorner, then they fire-fired him

Posted by: DOA in Scrambletown, FLA at February 13, 2013 06:18 PM (Dll6b)

40 We need people like this in the Senate in order to control the Senate so we can, um, you know, do stuff like this.

Posted by: Rove the Architect er Marine Biologist er what difference does it make? at February 13, 2013 06:18 PM (8/bPb)

41 Ace, for the love of. . .

Posted this in the last thread but Ace stomped on it, so:

OT. This has probably been covered to death in the past, but I need a
refresher. Ted Cruz's dad was a US immigrant from Cuba, his mom is
American, BUT he was born in Calgary. He's still a US citizen, right? OR
does being born in Canada negate him from ever running for the big job?

Posted by: LizLem at February 13, 2013 06:18 PM (8wqqE)

42 Am I missing something. A notorious RINO is saying she will vote No on
Hagel, though she will vote yes on cloture. The only way to prevent this
in the future is to put her job on the line. But we just established
that in certain states we need to nominate these kind of people or else
no Republican will get elected. This is the bad you take with a
republican senator from the Northeast.

Your point is correct. It is a judgement call as to whether or not she could be more conservative and still be elected. I think she could, but regardless, putting a paste eater like Hagel in SecDef should be enough to sacrifice a career for.

Posted by: pep at February 13, 2013 06:18 PM (6TB1Z)

43 The GOP... its been so long since they've won, they no longer know how...

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 13, 2013 06:19 PM (lZBBB)

44 Pep, I get all that. But she was the most conservative candidate we could get elected. If we want to avoid this bipartisan cover in the future, we should either win an outright majority, purge RINOs, or hope against all reason, that the RINOs that are elected to represent the NE don't vote all RINOish. However, we have determined that purging is not a good strategy.

Posted by: SH at February 13, 2013 06:19 PM (gmeXX)

45 33

well sure conservatives currently will not be elected in Maine except under the most optimal circumstances

that being said the thing that bugs me about people like Collins isn't the moderation -- i.e., someone who consistently has certain conservative views and liberal views -- it's that their centrism is defined through reflexive "third way" crap. just cuz there's two "extremes" on an issue doesn't mean the answer's always between them.

Posted by: JDP at February 13, 2013 06:19 PM (60GaT)

46 And the GOP hasn't bounced this bitch because . . .

Can't frighten the LIV with eXXXtrEEEEEM views like conservativism.

Posted by: Radish at February 13, 2013 06:20 PM (/kI1Q)

47 Aaanh, I get it, Dang.

First they fired Dorner, then they fire-fired him. It all makes sense now.

Posted by: L, elle at February 13, 2013 06:20 PM (5SlKF)

48 To paraphrase Gilbert and Sullivan: Collins is the very model of the modern NERINO Senator.

Posted by: Hrothgar Doom would be my middle name if I had one at February 13, 2013 06:20 PM (Cnqmv)

49 I never liked the ugly cunt once she helped deliver the shit sandwich along with specter and and that other heinous cunt from the R side of the aisle back when Emperor Entitelment first took the throne.

I like her ignorant twat even less now and wish she along with many other rino turncouts that are actually democrats would all get ass cancer and drown in steaming pools of their own explosive cancer diareah.

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright's Sock Puppet at February 13, 2013 06:20 PM (+OTLF)

50 Little Burnie says says: Incompetence is like the candles on the cake! You need to let them burn to make your wishes come true! Remember kids...Let It Burn!

Posted by: Eaton Cox at February 13, 2013 06:21 PM (q177U)

51 Damn. I saw that tweet earlier and got excited.

Posted by: Y-not at February 13, 2013 06:21 PM (5H6zj)

52 I've got the State job, slick.

Posted by: Terezah Heintz, S/S at February 13, 2013 06:21 PM (bGlsD)

53 "45 33

well sure conservatives currently will not be elected in Maine except under the most optimal circumstances

that being said the thing that bugs me about people like Collins isn't the moderation -- i.e., someone who consistently has certain conservative views and liberal views -- it's that their centrism is defined through reflexive "third way" crap. just cuz there's two "extremes" on an issue doesn't mean the answer's always between them.

Posted by: JDP at February 13, 2013 06:19 PM (60GaT) "

That's actually a noted logical fallacy.

(I'm agreeing with you.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 13, 2013 06:21 PM (ZuCIK)

54 The GOP... its been so long since they've won, they no longer know how...

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 13, 2013 06:19 PM (lZBBB)

and they no longer try or care!

Posted by: Hrothgar Doom would be my middle name if I had one at February 13, 2013 06:22 PM (Cnqmv)

55 Your point is correct. It is a judgement call as to whether or not she could be more conservative and still be elected. I think she could, but regardless, putting a paste eater like Hagel in SecDef should be enough to sacrifice a career for.
Posted by: pep at February 13, 2013 06:18 PM (6TB1Z)

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All kidding aside, I think what we're seeing is what has perpetuated many of these appointments: The misplaced perception of "senate collegiality".

Posted by: Karl Rove at February 13, 2013 06:22 PM (tmdxK)

56 42
Am I missing something. A notorious RINO is saying she will vote No on

Hagel, though she will vote yes on cloture. The only way to prevent this

in the future is to put her job on the line. But we just established

that in certain states we need to nominate these kind of people or else

no Republican will get elected. This is the bad you take with a

republican senator from the Northeast.

Your point is
correct. It is a judgement call as to whether or not she could be more
conservative and still be elected. I think she could, but regardless,
putting a paste eater like Hagel in SecDef should be enough to sacrifice
a career for.

Posted by: pep at February 13, 2013 06:18 PM (6TB1Z)

Burn the Northeast down.Problem solved.

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright's Sock Puppet at February 13, 2013 06:22 PM (+OTLF)

57 Your point is correct. It is a judgement call as to whether or not she could be more conservative and still be elected. I think she could, but regardless, putting a paste eater like Hagel in SecDef should be enough to sacrifice a career for.
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Is it? I find other votes she had made much worse. But will people agree if we primary her and voter her out because of Hagel. In Texas no problem, the GOP will win anyway.

I'm simply trying to highlight the tension between electing someone who can win and how they will likely vote. Electing someone who can win in a blue state will likely result in a lot of votes we don't like. The only real way to stop that is to make them know that it will cost them a seat.

Posted by: SH at February 13, 2013 06:23 PM (gmeXX)

58 Franken 2016.....hey why not

Posted by: BignJames at February 13, 2013 06:23 PM (Sg0G/)

59 What DOA in Scrambletown, FLA said.

Dangit! Slow on the draw today.

Posted by: L, elle at February 13, 2013 06:23 PM (5SlKF)

60 I look forward to the total utter disaster of Obama's full second term.

The coming revolution and public hangings will be great for morale.

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright's Sock Puppet at February 13, 2013 06:24 PM (+OTLF)

61 This should go on the stomped on thread below, but Fox just interviewed a 93 year-old veteran who can't get benefits because the VA says he can't prove he's unable to work.

I just...no words...

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 13, 2013 06:24 PM (UOM48)

62
So, 5 Republicans needed to break the filibuster:

Confirmed

Thad Cochran
Mike Johanns
Susan Collins

Expected

Richard Burr
Roy Blunt

Reserve

John McCain

Hello Secretary Hagel!

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 13, 2013 06:24 PM (kdS6q)

63 Okay, Ace, it's been 15 minutes. Put a new one up.

Posted by: L, elle at February 13, 2013 06:24 PM (5SlKF)

64 "58 Franken 2016.....hey why not

Posted by: BignJames at February 13, 2013 06:23 PM (Sg0G/) "

He could probably win on a platform of making stupid faces and saying stupid shit.

(Just like Obama.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 13, 2013 06:25 PM (ZuCIK)

65 Hillary/Franken 2016

Embrace the suck.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 13, 2013 06:25 PM (UOM48)

66 The misplaced perception of "senate collegiality".

Posted by: Karl Rove at February 13, 2013 06:22 PM (tmdxK)

The country has been screwed over many times ]due to the reality of Senate collegiality (McCain is too stupid to understand "colleagues", but he has lots of "friends" across the aisle for whom he would help bury the bodies if required).

Posted by: Hrothgar Doom would be my middle name if I had one at February 13, 2013 06:26 PM (Cnqmv)

67 "63 Okay, Ace, it's been 15 minutes. Put a new one up.

Posted by: L, elle at February 13, 2013 06:24 PM (5SlKF) "

Don't boss him around, woman. :-P

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 13, 2013 06:26 PM (ZuCIK)

68 Hillary/Franken 2016Embrace the suck

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That will be off-the-grid time for me. I just don't think I could listen to them.

Posted by: SH at February 13, 2013 06:26 PM (gmeXX)

69 I've said it before. This country will be a lot better off when all Vietnam veterans are basically out of public service. That war and its aftermath just screwed them up.

Posted by: SH at February 13, 2013 06:27 PM (gmeXX)

70 Posted by: LizLem at February 13, 2013 06:18 PM (8wqqE)

Canadian law says that anyone born on Canadian soil, is a Canadian Citizen... so we come back to the same question Obama has... can someone who is a dual citizen at birth, be a Natural Born Citizen as the FOUNDERS defined it?

Especaily as they put that clause in, specificly, so the Commander in Chief could have no moral or LEGAL entanglements about Loyalty?

Remember... this was pre War of 1812... which had one of its reasons that the Brits were stopping American ships, and impressing anyone who they considered British.... which included those who were the children of British Citizens at the time of their birth...

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 13, 2013 06:28 PM (lZBBB)

71 Lol! new thread up. How'd I do that?

Posted by: L, elle at February 13, 2013 06:30 PM (5SlKF)

72 I think Cruz is ok, but I doubt he's got his sights set on the President. Now Justice Cruz sounds great.

Posted by: SH at February 13, 2013 06:30 PM (gmeXX)

73 I meant I think he is ok on the natural born citizen front, I don't think he's ok, I think he's great.

Posted by: SH at February 13, 2013 06:31 PM (gmeXX)

74 Susan Collins so Republican she's a democrat

Posted by: sven10077 at February 13, 2013 06:32 PM (LRFds)

75
OK, I've been multi-tasking, doing a little recon for the unwilling by looking at MSDNC and getting a credit on purgatory for having done so.

Does Chrissy Matthews know more than he is sharing? When mentioning repub politicians who may run for POTUS, he said something like "which one will run against Pres Obama next time?".
.

Posted by: Justamom of the LiB camp at February 13, 2013 06:35 PM (Sptt8)

76 Sven, my point is this. With Collins you get RINO/Dem votes, but you at least get a Republican. The alternative if you don't get a Republican at all (at least that is a big risk). I'm willing to live with that risk, but many seem to be of the mind that we should not throw away a guaranteed win. If that is your mindset, then I think you have to live with her votes.

Posted by: SH at February 13, 2013 06:35 PM (gmeXX)

77 76 SH,

No offense sincerely SH I am not being a dork I was not responding to you with my posit.

Now that I've read your post on it I agree "sorta" my problem with Snowe and Collins for years was their glee at thwarting us when we had the majority in the Senate more than their being f***ing cowards when we are in the minority.

She's a more reliable D than R by any measure.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 13, 2013 06:42 PM (LRFds)

78 If OlSailorsPoet is around, I got the book today. Posted a review. LOVED IT!

I'm buying a hard copy for my bookshelf. Can't wait for the sequel.

Posted by: IntheBellyoftheBeast at February 13, 2013 07:00 PM (A5iH4)

79 So wait. Reid is filing for cloture, and the Republicans are going to get blamed for filibustering, right?

I really wish the Republicans would push back on this.

Posted by: Jeff at February 13, 2013 07:37 PM (6PjHd)

80 This is how we got rammed straight up the ass with OZeroCare....

Posted by: Portnoy at February 13, 2013 07:39 PM (A5Abh)

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