Ben Smith Is Wrong About ObamaCare Punishing Obama Voters And Helping GOP Voters

Ben Smith had a long story yesterday at BuzzFeed about how Obama's signal achievement, ObamaCare, helps a group of voters (the elderly) at the expense of voters who overwhelmingly support him (the young).

The passionate supporters are the youth, who voted for him by a margin of 60% to 36%, according to exit poll samples of people 29 and under. His enemies are the elderly: Mitt Romney won 56% of the votes from people 65 and over. And while one of ObamaCare's earliest provisions was a boon to the young, allowing them to stay on their parents' insurance through the age of 26, what follows may come as an unpleasant surprise to many of the president's supporters. The provisions required to make any kind of health insurance plan work — not just ObamaCare, but really any plan of its sort — require healthy young people to pay more in health insurance than they consume in services, while the elderly (saved by Sarah "Death Panels" Palin from any serious attempt to ration expensive and often futile end-of-life care) consume far more than they pay in. There is always a push and pull, however, and this year will be spent laying plans to shift the burden further toward the young.

What is actually missing from his piece is any advantage Obama's "enemies" are getting from sticking it to the 20 and early 30 somethings.

Yes, ObamaCare is a bad deal for these "young invincibles" (it's an argument conservatives made during the ObamaCare debate) but that doesn't mean it's a boon for older Americans.

The fight over health insurance resources isn't simply between young Obama voters and older Republican voters. It's also a struggle between income groups. Here the poor, aka "the 47%" which make up the core of the Obama and Democratic coalition are going to see massive amounts of dollars poured into government assistance programs while money is taken away from the middle class via taxes

On top of that, many middle class Americans will lose their existing health insurance coverage and be forced to buy new coverage out of their own pockets.

Middle class families take note. A family of four with an aggregate income of more than $88,000 annually or an individual earning around $44,000 could find themselves badly strained by healthcare costs under the Obama plan.

Many of these folks currently get their health coverage from work. They benefit from an implicit subsidy built into that workplace coverage that lets them spend pre-tax dollars through their employer to purchase health insurance. Depending on their tax rate, that subsidy helps offset some of the premium costs.

Under the Obama plan, many of these families could instead find themselves buying their health insurance on the new state-based exchanges that get started in January 2014. For a family of four, premiums on even one of the lower priced "silver" options could still cost more than $15,000 annually on the exchanges.

Only their incomes will make them ineligible for the "premium assistance credits." that are meant to offset some of the cost of buying the pricey comprehensive coverage that the Obama plan mandates. These families will also no longer have the benefit of being able to defray some of these costs by spending pre-tax dollars.


More on the cost of ObamaCare to the middle class here.

Meanwhile, Medicare eligibility will be expanded and subsidies will be provided to poor or low income Americans to cover their health insurance costs.

Obamacare establishes a new eligibility level for Medicaid above the current poverty line of $18,530 for a working family of three. Effective in 2014, the expansion will allow families who make up to $26,344 to be eligible for coverage under the program. That would make a huge difference for low-income working families in states like Florida, South Carolina, Georgia, and Louisiana who are not currently considered poor enough to qualify despite the fact that they are living in poverty by federal standards. However, those states’ Republican governors are choosing to deny their state’s low-income residents health care coverage.

If governors reject the ACA’s Medicaid expansion, the families whose income falls between the federal poverty line and the new $26,344 income level may receive subsidies to help them participate in the health insurance exchanges that will be set up in 2014. But the estimated 11 million families who fall under the poverty line but above their state’s Medicaid eligibility line will be left in the cold, unable to receive either Medicaid benefits or subsidies.


Whether or not one gets hurt by ObamaCare isn't simply determined by age, economic status has much more to do with it. It's inarguable that poor and low income Americans (including the "young invincibles" among them), aka prime Democratic voters, are going to be the recipients of a massive wealth transfer from middle and upper class voters, courtesy of Barack Obama.

So, ObamaCare isn't punishing Obama's base, surely it must as Smith claims, hurt his enemies....the seniors. To simply assert that what's bad in ObamaCare for younger Americans is good for older ones as he does misses some important parts of ObamaCare beginning with the over $700 billion it takes from Medicare that will now be spent on services for Obama voters.

Absolutely, without a shadow of a doubt, seniors will feel the impact of Obamacare’s cuts through decreased benefits or the inability to access health care. Heritage expert Bob Moffit has clarified, “Financing directly affects the quantity and quality of the benefits available to the beneficiaries.”

For example, the Medicare actuary projects that the cuts to Medicare Advantage ($156 billion over 10 years), the popular private alternative to traditional Medicare, where 27 percent of all beneficiaries are enrolled, will decrease enrollment by 50 percent by 2017. Millions of seniors will be forced to give up their current plans and go into traditional Medicare, where they will receive fewer benefits and pay higher out-of-pocket costs.

Further, seniors will face greater barriers when attempting to access care. The Medicare actuary projects that over the next 10 years, Medicare Part A providers (i.e., hospitals and nursing homes) may stop accepting Medicare patients or 15 percent of them will become unprofitable due to the severe Obamacare cuts. If Obamacare remains on the books, the number of providers becoming unprofitable will reach 40 percent by 2050. A doubling of Medicare patients with a major reduction in the number of providers will guarantee access problems for senior citizens.


No matter how Democrats try and spin this, seniors are losing access to healthcare providers across the country.

The central theme of Smith's piece, that ObamaCare hurts Obama's base and helps his opponents simply isn't supported by the facts or anything in his story. I don't know if Smith simply wanted to make Obama seem politically brave and selfless or not but there's no political courage (in terms of hurting supporters) or selflessness in ObamaCare.

The more troubling but less surprising part of Smith's story is the unexamined notion that it's normal and proper that we as a country should be using the government to pit groups against each other to split up the fruit of other's labor. That underlying assumption shared by far too many Democrats and Republicans is the root of our problems as a nation. Until we move beyond arguing over how to divvy up what is not rightfully ours and simply allow people the freedom to make their own way, we will be fighting over a smaller and smaller pie.

Posted by: DrewM. at 11:37 AM



Comments

1 Damn, single payer is looking better all the time.

Posted by: huerfano at February 12, 2013 11:40 AM (bAGA/)

2 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 12, 2013 11:41 AM (8y9MW)

3 Woah. Now Drew is doing Movie Reviews, too?

I take it he didn't like the movie.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 12, 2013 11:41 AM (8y9MW)

4 And yet fucktard Ben Smith doesn't see this trend of hurting the young in every fucking Obama administration policy? What an astute journalist. And I use the term journalist loosely and stress the "ass" in astute.

Posted by: DangerGirl - Stop this thing, I want off at February 12, 2013 11:44 AM (jNNPU)

5 I don't look to Bird feed for cogent analysis on politics...

Posted by: sven10077 at February 12, 2013 11:45 AM (LRFds)

6 That underlying assumption shared by far too many Democrats and Republicans is the root of our problems as a nation. Until we move beyond arguing over how to divvy up what is not rightfully ours and simply allow people the freedom to make their own way, we will be fighting over a smaller and smaller pie

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Drew, how can you move beyond this. You can only move beyond it if oneside, the freedom side, wins over the equality side.

Posted by: SH at February 12, 2013 11:45 AM (gmeXX)

7 Creating another bureaucracy to run O-Care will just suck more treatment dollars out of the HealthCare system and to the true core constitutency of the Democrats - government employees/bureaucrats. The old will get the death panels and the young will have their wallets shop-vacced; and the middlemen apparatchiks will be quite snug.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - It's Not Me, Babe at February 12, 2013 11:46 AM (hLRSq)

8 4 Danger Girl,

his Twitter Pic tells me BirdFeed Ben only cares if it interferes with his eyeliner.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 12, 2013 11:46 AM (LRFds)

9
1. Funny thing about young people, Ben: they eventually get old.

2. Ben Smith can go horsefuck.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 12, 2013 11:47 AM (QVBzT)

10 Ace is gonna be pissed when he wakes up in 3 hours. Movie reviews are kinda his thing.

Posted by: Timothy McVeigh at February 12, 2013 11:47 AM (da5Wo)

11 I got nothin'

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 12, 2013 11:47 AM (8sCoq)

12 Ben Smith is a bought and paid for mouthpiece for the Obama administration.

I'd bet my total net worth an investigation into him would produce substantial evidence that he's being paid off to pimp copy handed directly to him by administration officials.

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 12, 2013 11:48 AM (BH8oG)

13 Creating another bureaucracy to run O-Care will just suck more treatment dollars out of the HealthCare system and to the true core constitutency of the Democrats - government employees/bureaucrats. The old will get the death panels and the young will have their wallets shop-vacced; and the middlemen apparatchiks will be quite snug.

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And the wealthy and elites will continue along receiving the best care money can buy. The poor and middle class will suffer. We can punish the rich all we want, but they will never truly be punished.

Posted by: SH at February 12, 2013 11:48 AM (gmeXX)

14 Annnnndddddd for 1,234,786th time, I fail at socking.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at February 12, 2013 11:48 AM (da5Wo)

15 I'm suddenly sofreaking depressed.

Posted by: digitalbrownshirt at February 12, 2013 11:48 AM (G1aEt)

16
I don't look to Bird feed for cogent analysis on politics...


Posted by: sven10077 at February 12, 2013 11:45 AM



You'd be better off looking at what has already passed through the bird.

Posted by: huerfano at February 12, 2013 11:48 AM (bAGA/)

17 Actually I admit to not reading the whole thing before commenting simply because I had a bit of PoliticalTourette's and had the uncontrollable urge to call Smith a fucktard.

Posted by: DangerGirl - Stop this thing, I want off at February 12, 2013 11:49 AM (jNNPU)

18 Reason 205 for why the youth should not get to vote.

Posted by: SH at February 12, 2013 11:49 AM (gmeXX)

19
If my kids - no Obama supporters they - weren't among those on the hook for this, I'd be pleased. You wanted Obama? Obama was "cool?" Great. Tax 'em and work 'em to death, and give me the benefits.

Hey, I'm getting into this redistribution thing! /sarc

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 12, 2013 11:50 AM (IDSI7)

20 Hmm, I'm now an Official Obama Enemy, huh?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 12, 2013 11:50 AM (+z4pE)

21
what's this?

Posted by: soothsayer at February 12, 2013 11:50 AM (0w+w3)

22
Not only the seniors will be losing Doctor access. A lot of doctors will be leaving the profession if the medicare cuts go through.

Free Healthcare is great, but if there are no doctors, there is no healthcare.

Posted by: rd at February 12, 2013 11:51 AM (zLp5I)

23

woops, that wasn't supposed to post

Posted by: soothsayer at February 12, 2013 11:51 AM (0w+w3)

24 Why would anyone in this country believe a single bit of the vomit that comes out of Ben Smith's head?

Posted by: Vic at February 12, 2013 11:51 AM (53z96)

25
True, but when they do, the country will be irrevocably broke, if it isn't already. Donkey carts will be the way of the future. Maybe Mexico will bail us out.

Nah, they'll probably seal the border to keep Americans out.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 12, 2013 11:52 AM (IDSI7)

26 Lil Ben does seem to think Obama should be finding ways to punish his "enemies" through his policies doesn't he?

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at February 12, 2013 11:52 AM (9eDbm)

27 Yesterday a judge ordered my wife temporary custody of our two year old daughter, as well as putting me under supervised visitation.

Today, I got fired from my job.

I don't know how much more I can take.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at February 12, 2013 11:52 AM (5UlAL)

28 Obamacare really screws Generation X. And why shouldn't it, we've been getting the shaft all our lives. And we'll be the first generation to have to adjust to changes to social security after paying taxes for it our whole lives.

Posted by: SH at February 12, 2013 11:53 AM (gmeXX)

29 I just read this as Obama fucked everybody, but you young folks should hate Republicans.

Posted by: no good deed at February 12, 2013 11:53 AM (mjR67)

30
Free Healthcare is great, but if there are no doctors, there is no healthcare. Posted by: rd at February 12, 2013 11:51 AM (zLp5I)

Wow, who could see that coming? It's just like mandating below-market rents.

Why are Reds so prone to Groundhog Day syndrome? You'd think they'd eventually learn, but nope.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 12, 2013 11:53 AM (IDSI7)

31
27
Yesterday a judge ordered my wife temporary custody of our two year old
daughter, as well as putting me under supervised visitation.



Today, I got fired from my job.



I don't know how much more I can take.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at February 12, 2013 11:52 AM (5UlAL)


Shit on a shingle, joffen. Hang in there man.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at February 12, 2013 11:54 AM (da5Wo)

32 raise the voting age to 25--at least. 30, maybe


f*ck it: 55 ( like you gotta drive )

Posted by: Wally in Walla Walla, still not arguing about the Civil War at February 12, 2013 11:54 AM (Dll6b)

33
@PurpAv at February 12, 2013 11:48 AM (BH8oG)

Or maybe Ben is just a lazy fucktard who dresses up their press releases and then calls it a day. Why work? is the Democrat motto!

Posted by: rd at February 12, 2013 11:54 AM (zLp5I)

34 Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at February 12, 2013 11:52 AM (5UlAL)

That sucks.

You know the drill: what area of the country are you in? What do you do?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 12, 2013 11:55 AM (8y9MW)

35
Reason 205 for why the youth should not get to vote.Posted by: SH at February 12, 2013 11:49 AM (gmeXX)

Didn't you mean 10^205?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 12, 2013 11:55 AM (IDSI7)

36 Both parties agree that it is moral to take from one person that which he could use to provide for himself and his family, and give it to another.

So Republicans are reduced to arguing in essence, "I want to take money from him and give it to you, just like he does, only not as much."

They're not going to win that argument.

Posted by: Diffus at February 12, 2013 11:55 AM (dZURf)

37 There was an unintended consequence to the WAY Obama care passed...

People really tried to stop it. They wrote their Congress critters... they spoke out... they saw the polls that it was horrible... they saw the backroom deals and boyoffs that got it through...

And the messege was that they were powerless to stop the Government from doing what it wanted... it added to the feeling of disenfranchisment, and despair, of the American Electorate...

Posted by: Romeo13... at February 12, 2013 11:55 AM (lZBBB)

38 So are we back to Dr. Carson for Pres? If the Gov't is going to control all of healthcare, might as well have a Doctor as President. I think it was that wise philospher Chris Rock who said, you know the President is like a doctor. If he says eat your vegetables, you eat your vegetables.

Posted by: SH at February 12, 2013 11:55 AM (gmeXX)

39
Or maybe Ben is just a lazy fucktard who dresses up their press releases and then calls it a day.

In fairness, correcting the grammatical and spelling mistakes probably takes all day.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 12, 2013 11:56 AM (IDSI7)

40 The natural progression is to be poor when your young and build up from there. So in the end this will hurt everyone except the habitually poor.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 12, 2013 11:56 AM (81UWZ)

41
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at February 12, 2013 11:52 AM (5UlAL)

So sorry to hear this.I hope things come right, and soon.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 12, 2013 11:57 AM (IDSI7)

42 I don't see how it helps Obama's base. Yes, we get sucked dry, but this massive wealth transfer is being given to the Obama Jugend in the form of...healthcare? How do I spend my "healthcare" windfall? They didn't have insurance because they didn't need it, giving them insurance is nothing.

The taxation pot will be divvied up amongst the bureaucrats. When the yoots grow up- err, I mean, get older- there will be nothing there.

Posted by: t-bird at February 12, 2013 11:57 AM (FcR7P)

43 ObamaCare was passed the same way that Democrats 'pass' everything


through the Legislative / Political colon, pushing sh*t and becoming Sh*t

Posted by: Wally in Walla Walla, still not arguing about the Civil War at February 12, 2013 11:57 AM (Dll6b)

44 The old are not benefiting from Obamacare even if the young are being screwed. If anything, their medicare coverage will stay the same. They may actually have trouble getting treatment though because of the expected shortage of doctors and lower reimbursements for med treatment. Also it is my opinion that access to diagnostic testing will become more difficult.

Posted by: polynikes at February 12, 2013 11:57 AM (m2CN7)

45 Drew, you continually produce good work. Great piece.

Posted by: Truman North at February 12, 2013 11:58 AM (+gfwN)

46 Just to be clear 15,000 is more than 6000, right? Thanks, Obama.

Posted by: Lauren at February 12, 2013 11:58 AM (wsGWu)

47 When's the last time a law wasn't passed at the federal level that wasn't nothing but an out-and-out payoff to a political constituency?

I keep saying: If the Republicans didn't like the current size, scope and reach of the federal government, what would they be doing differently?

Fact is, the Republicans are just as comfortable with the current size, scope and reach of the federal government as the Democrats, the only difference being the Republicans slightly prefer a more modest growth in the size, scope and reach of the federal government.

You know that saying, "when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail?" Does it then surprise you they like the growth of government?

That's the thing I hated the most about Romney, because this was his argument for his election: "If we just pull this lever, tweak this knob, jigger with this dial, we'll have a perfectly running machine of government."


Posted by: RoyalOil at February 12, 2013 11:58 AM (VjL9S)

48

The more troubling but less surprising part of Smith's story is the unexamined notion that it's normal and proper that we as a country should be using the government to pit groups against each other to split up the fruit of other's labor.


You could have just stopped at "using the government to pit groups against each other."

Period.

We do indeed have a very sick nation.

And, the contagion was voted right back in.

(nice post Drew)

Posted by: beach warmth at February 12, 2013 11:58 AM (LpQbZ)

49 22 RD,

not so look for RNs and PAs to be "the new normal" on medical care up to surgery....

also look for the Feds to limit malpractice claims once it is their game

Posted by: sven10077 at February 12, 2013 11:59 AM (LRFds)

50 Do not trust anything from a Journolister. Anything.

Posted by: EC at February 12, 2013 11:59 AM (GQ8sn)

51 The long and short of it is that Obamacare hurts EVERYBODY.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 12, 2013 12:00 PM (4df7R)

52 27 Joffen,

Man, that's terrible. I hope things work out for you. I wasn't aware your wife and you were estranged.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 12, 2013 12:00 PM (LRFds)

53 It's a tricky thing though.
Because 56% voting against in today's politics is hardly "an enemy."

Plus the AARP lobby I suspect will make sure that the Medicare cuts just keep getting kicked.
Look at the "doc fix." EVERY FREAKING YEAR.

I agree on you're part about the young, except it must be stipulated that my generation is full or morons (and not the good kind.)

There will be wealth transfer no doubt, as many of the idiots my age (give or take 5 years) who voted for Barky Odipshit, will begin to sign up for Medicaid, insurance subsidies, etc. However, it's only "good for them" because they don't realize that their future is being cut down as they can't find jobs (and this will only make it harder.)
I suspect, best case in this area, we're going to look like France. Some 40% unemployment among people under 30. So yeah, short term these people will be bought off, but long term they're losing out big time. (Granted like I said, they're morons, so the short term buy off constitutes sufficient bread and circuses to keep them voting.)

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 12, 2013 12:00 PM (V8c8n)

54
The natural progression is to be poor when your young and build up from there. So in the end this will hurt everyone except the habitually poor.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 12, 2013 11:56 AM (81UWZ)


Here's something I've never gotten: the Reds (and let's face it, the liberals/ progressives/ Democrats/ socialists are all Reds, whether or notthey realize it or admit it) always speaking contemptuously of the "bourgeoisie," which is French for "middle class." Yet the Reds also always bang on about protecting and helping the "middle class" (most recently and notably, Fauxcahontas). Does nobody own a dictiontary any more?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 12, 2013 12:02 PM (IDSI7)

55 The statist want it to fail so they can fix it even more.

Posted by: Woody at February 12, 2013 12:02 PM (07RHD)

56 Bottom line: obamacare is a poorly written, poorly conceived, poorly researched, built on a false premise, and poorly administrated. And those are it's good points

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 12, 2013 12:02 PM (9Bj8R)

57 12 --- "I'd bet my total net worth an investigation into him would produce substantial evidence that he's being paid off to pimp copy handed directly to him by administration officials."
Posted by: @PurpAv at February 12, 2013 11:48 AM (BH8oG)

I'll take that bet, in so far as his being PAID is concerned. The vast majority of these shills, like rock-n-roll groupies, do it for free.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 12, 2013 12:02 PM (C8mVl)

58 Best way to hit people on (the effect of) taxes would be to outlaw tax withholding from paychecks. It'd be a death sentence to income tax.

Posted by: Whatev at February 12, 2013 12:02 PM (A7Wh1)

59 For a family of four, premiums on even one of the lower priced "silver" options could still cost more than $15,000 annually on the exchanges.

So what's the penalty again?

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 12, 2013 12:03 PM (QupBk)

60 I mean, 2010 the Republicans are swept into power in the House, buoyed by "repeal ObamaCare!"

And they promptly do jack, diddly and shit.

"But the Senate, but the Senate!!"

Fuck the Senate.

Had they played with the ruthlessness of the Dems in passing ObamaCare, the fucking thing would be dead letter law by now.

And it's worse.

They still have those options and are doing jack, diddly and shit.

But wait until you hear Marc Rubio, he's going to give a jim dandy of a speech, let me tell you!

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 12, 2013 12:03 PM (VjL9S)

61 Aw, crap, Joffen. Is this related to the crap last year?

Hang in there, buddy...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Keeper of Ampersands and Breitbart Login Spaces at February 12, 2013 12:03 PM (GBXon)

62 Make no doubt, the generation that is going to get screwed is Generation X. The seniors have the votes to take care of themselves. The youth have the votes to self-correct, meaning they will force Gen X to pay or will pass it on to their kids, the few that have kids. It may look like the youthscrewed themselves, but like any other big voting block, they will find a way to screw over another generation. That's the new American way.

Posted by: SH at February 12, 2013 12:03 PM (gmeXX)

63
That's the thing I hated the most about Romney, because this was his argument for his election: "If we just pull this lever, tweak this knob, jigger with this dial, we'll have a perfectly running machine of government."

While the Base is increasingly saying, "If we eliminate this department and repeal that law, we can get back to the best way of administering government,"

However, such voices are crying in the political wilderness.

We are royally screwed.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 12, 2013 12:04 PM (+z4pE)

64 46 Just to be clear 15,000 is more than 6000, right? Thanks, Obama.
Posted by: Lauren at February 12, 2013 11:58 AM (wsGWu)
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Last I heard it was going to be a "savings" of 3k a year over what it was 3 years ago.

Posted by: Whatev at February 12, 2013 12:04 PM (A7Wh1)

65 Bottom line: obamacare is a poorly written, poorly conceived, poorly researched, built on a false premise, and poorly administrated. And those are it's good points

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Ha ha. Well said.

Posted by: SH at February 12, 2013 12:04 PM (gmeXX)

66 Drew - What you are missing is this: The subsidies are generous, but not generous enough to make it painless.

Go here for a subsidy calculator: http://tinyurl.com/86hryq9

A 30 yr old single person making $35k per year only gets a $115 subsidy for the entire year!

A family of four gets a sizable subsidy, but still will pay $3-4k out of their own pocket.

And that is using the Kaiser estimate of premiums, which I think is low. Premiums will likely be higher.

Many families and individuals will simply still go without insurance and pay the paltry penalty. Obamacare will fail miserably.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 12, 2013 12:05 PM (f9c2L)

67 Stock headline for any post about BenSmith the BenSmither:

"Ben Smith Wrong, Consumes Human Waste"

Just to save time...

Posted by: Stu-22 at February 12, 2013 12:05 PM (k4bdL)

68
also look for the Feds to limit malpractice claims once it is their game
Posted by: sven10077 at February 12, 2013 11:59 AM (LRFds)


I doubt it. The trial lawyers' association is a huge campaign contributor. Now if the Reds ... er ... "Feds" decide to get rid of those pesky elections, then the trial lawyers go over the side. If they're lucky. If not, ...

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 12, 2013 12:05 PM (IDSI7)

69 "Meanwhile, Medicare eligibility will be expanded and subsidies"

Not Medicare -- Medicaid. ACA didn't change Medicare eligibility.

Posted by: DCPensFan at February 12, 2013 12:05 PM (ma/2m)

70 Yet the Reds also always bang on about protecting and helping the "middle class" (most recently and notably, Fauxcahontas). Does nobody own a dictiontary any more?

Leftism is all about pulling the ladder up after you and buying the votes of the poor with the money of the middle class. Naturally some lying is necessary to pull this off.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 12, 2013 12:06 PM (B/VB5)

71
If you go to YouTube and search for Milton Friedman you can watch him make the same argument. All social welfare programs, including Social Security, Medicare, and now Obamacare, steal from the young to provide for the old, who are usually much more "wealthy". It's one of the central arguments he made against wealth redistribution. Except now, Obama is going after both.
My daughter moved to Massacushetts so she could qaulify for instate tuition. But she cannot get a student loan unless I co-sign and I won't. The tuition at the school she wants to go to is $9000 a year so it's not Ivy League. But she can't get a student loan unless I cosign and I won't do it. But I bet many parents out there are cosigning for student loans for their kids who will never make enough money to pay them back. Or they're extending lines of credit on their houses to pay the tuition that way. This country is doomed.

Posted by: Jaynie59 at February 12, 2013 12:06 PM (4zKCA)

72 Once again, our health care troubles all stem from the wage controls instituted during WWII. The law of unintended consequences keeps going and going and going.

Posted by: SH at February 12, 2013 12:06 PM (gmeXX)

73 26 Lil Ben does seem to think Obama should be finding ways to punish his "enemies" through his policies doesn't he?
Posted by: Chairman LMAO at February 12, 2013 11:52 AM (9eDbm)



This is the secret of the Democrat coalition. They are less interested in using government to gain (although there is some great interest in this), than they are interested in seeing government make sure their enemies are punished.

Obama made everything worse. But Democrats believe they made everything more worse for regular people. Traditional people. Private-sector people. Christians. Gun owners. People who revere the constitution and the Founders. People who do not chiefly rely on the government.

This gets them wet and that's why they love Obama; not the good he does, but rather the harm.

Posted by: Truman North at February 12, 2013 12:06 PM (I84O1)

74 Gee, when the "Death Panels" aka "Liverpool Care Pathway" in the UK come here- and they will come sooner rather than later- I'm betting that most seniors won't think that Deathcare is beneficial to them.

On the positive side, even though the Mayan god of Destruction did not appear, we now have the Prophesy of the Popes to look forward to and the End Times. Yay! End Times = no implementation of Obamacare!

Posted by: shibumi at February 12, 2013 12:07 PM (z63Tr)

75 68 Jay Guevera,

Yeah it'll happen they are hot for the NHS system and the lawyers will be told "take this cut and like it"....

the "lottery" jury shopping will die off...

Posted by: sven10077 at February 12, 2013 12:07 PM (LRFds)

76
Does nobody own a dictiontary any more?

Much lessa "dictionary."

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 12, 2013 12:07 PM (IDSI7)

77 Fucking hash, how does it work?

Posted by: Truman North at February 12, 2013 12:07 PM (I84O1)

78 Yay! End Times = no implementation of Obamacare!

Second look at Obama as the antichrist?

Posted by: Ian S. at February 12, 2013 12:08 PM (B/VB5)

79 Many families and individuals will simply still go without insurance and pay the paltry penalty. Obamacare will fail miserably.

---

Chitown - I would say this is by design. The goal is single payor. Obama couldn't get there on its own, so design a system that gets us almost all the way there, but ultimately fails. Hope that single payor is the only option left. He's counting on a public that won't know any better. Probably a good bet to make.

Posted by: SH at February 12, 2013 12:08 PM (gmeXX)

80
Joffen, dude, I know things aren't the best for you right now, but keep your head up.

The Horde is pulling for you.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 12, 2013 12:08 PM (+z4pE)

81 Best way to hit people on (the effect of) taxes
would be to outlaw tax withholding from paychecks. It'd be a death
sentence to income tax.

Posted by: Whatev at February 12, 2013 12:02 PM (A7Wh1)

I don't like mandates. I really don't.But it needs to be a requirement that tax preparation (be it a CPA, program or 1040EZ) needs to say "And this is how much you paid in taxes this year." Rather than "and this is your refund: FREE MONEY BABY"
I make a point each year of saying to my wife "This is what our federal tax bill was for the year. This is our state. Here's what we overpaid. But not the size of what's actually due."BTW it was roughly $8k and 3k respectively. (Not including FICA or sales tax of course.)

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 12, 2013 12:09 PM (V8c8n)

82 Funny thing about liberals and rules.
So I attend our Neighborhood Community Association (NOT an HOA) monthly meeting.
Our President tells the Board of this new policy he is putting into effect.
I point out that his policy is in violation of our governing By-Laws.
He explains that he didn't know our By-Laws directly address the subject of his policy.
I ask him if as the President, his offering the defense that he is ignorant of the content of our By-Laws was in his opinion a good path to go down.
I'm an asshole.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 12, 2013 12:09 PM (bTPOR)

83 #49 True. I increasingly run into them at clinics and at my doctor's office.

I also think we should expect a push about reinstituting the draft for doctors.

Posted by: Miss Marple at February 12, 2013 12:10 PM (GoIUi)

84 Trsblke - I don't know why corporations don't redesign paychecks to show total cost of employment.

Posted by: SH at February 12, 2013 12:11 PM (gmeXX)

85 18---" Reason 205 for why the youth should not get to vote."
Posted by: SH at February 12, 2013 11:49 AM (gmeXX)

Ah, yes. Both the 18 yr-old-voter and poll tax amendments were fatal errors. We signed our own death warrant with those.
But there's nothing we can do about it now.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 12, 2013 12:11 PM (C8mVl)

86 The tuition at the school she wants to go to is $9000 a year so it's not Ivy League.

Only $9000?! That's quite a deal. A nephew wants to go to a diesel tech school for a year (maybe UTI or something like that.) $41,000, my sister said.

Posted by: t-bird at February 12, 2013 12:11 PM (FcR7P)

87 It really amazes, and disgusts me how much these left wing mother fuckers use words like "war", "enemies", "battle", "victory", "fight" etc when it comes to things that are SUPPOSED to be civil.

Then these same mother fuckers tell us not to jump to conclusions when a muslim POS shoots up a joint.. Or not to judge a barbaric culture that promotes "honor killings"

Hypocritical oxygen thieves. ALL of them

Posted by: Melodicmetal at February 12, 2013 12:11 PM (QY9FJ)

88 People Taxpayers really tried to stop it. They wrote their Congress critters...
they spoke out... they saw the polls that it was horrible... they saw
the backroom deals and boyoffs that got it through...



And the messege was that they were powerless to stop the Government
from doing what it wanted... it added to the feeling of
disenfranchisment, and despair, of the taxpaying portion of the American Electorate...
The parasite class, on the other hand, feels greatly empowered.

FIFY

Posted by: pep at February 12, 2013 12:12 PM (YXmuI)

89
>>>The Horde is pulling for you.

"We're all counting on you."
-- Capt Oveur, Airplane

Posted by: soothsayer at February 12, 2013 12:12 PM (oxIUw)

90 Your health care is only as good as the number of illegals who take advantage of the system..

Posted by: Clemenza at February 12, 2013 12:13 PM (Q8Pu5)

91 Chitown - I would say this is by design. The goal is
single payor. Obama couldn't get there on its own, so design a system
that gets us almost all the way there, but ultimately fails. Hope that
single payor is the only option left. He's counting on a public that
won't know any better. Probably a good bet to make.



Posted by: SH
..........
That is a popular theory, yes..

But.. it presumes the voting public will run to Democrats for a solution to a disaster the Democrats thrust upon them. Yes, the voting public is mainly stupid. But that stupid?


Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 12, 2013 12:13 PM (f9c2L)

92

I also think we should expect a push about reinstituting the draft for doctors.
Posted by: Miss Marple at February 12, 2013 12:10 PM (GoIUi)


Safest bet on three planets.

But what happens when people don't want to go into medicine in the first place? Draft able students? It's almost as if socialism isn't compatible with individual freedom.

Nah, that's crazy talk.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 12, 2013 12:13 PM (IDSI7)

93
22 Free Healthcare is great, but if there are no doctors, there is no healthcare.
--------------------------------------------------


Um, California is fixing that problem by making anybody who owns a white coat a doctor.

Nurses, nurse practitioners, pharmacists, they'll be authorized to act as doctors.

Your death panel will be staffed with people from the DMV.

Posted by: Boots at February 12, 2013 12:13 PM (oG66P)

94
Last I heard it was going to be a "savings" of 3k a year over what it was 3 years ago.

IIRC, when this monstrosity was passed, there were only some 15M uninsured Americans. Now, the number of uninsured will be over 30M.

Maths. How does it fucking work?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 12, 2013 12:14 PM (+z4pE)

95 :::Yesterday a judge ordered my wife temporary custody of our two year old
daughter, as well as putting me under supervised visitation.



Today, I got fired from my job.



I don't know how much more I can take.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at February 12, 2013 11:52 AM (5UlAL) :::

The answer is that you can take all of it. Plus whatever is coming tomorrow, or the next day.

Temporary custody is just that - temporary. Jobs come and go. Get another one and drive on.

Hang in there, dude. This kind of shit doesn't last forever.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 12, 2013 12:14 PM (nxyLn)

96 That is a popular theory, yes..

But.. it presumes the voting public will run to Democrats for a solution to a disaster the Democrats thrust upon them. Yes, the voting public is mainly stupid. But that stupid?


Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 12, 2013 12:13 PM (f9c2L)


I assume that question is rhetorical.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 12, 2013 12:15 PM (Qxe/p)

97 But.. it presumes the voting public will run to Democrats for a solution to a disaster the Democrats thrust upon them. Yes, the voting public is mainly stupid. But that stupid?
---

Yes that stupid.

Posted by: SH at February 12, 2013 12:15 PM (gmeXX)

98 @ 93 their shortage of MD's in CA is because of the over abundance of Illegals,,send the illegals home and voila, surplus Dr's

Posted by: Clemenza at February 12, 2013 12:15 PM (Q8Pu5)

99
Oh and another thing, the ObamaCare legislation is chock-full of affirmative action mandates and giveaways, we will be having our wallets shop-vacced so that AA recipients can go to college and medical school for free.

That'll be some really high quality medical care.

Posted by: Boots at February 12, 2013 12:16 PM (oG66P)

100
But.. it presumes the voting public will run to Democrats for a solution to a disaster the Democrats thrust upon them. Yes, the voting public is mainly stupid. But that stupid?


Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 12, 2013 12:13 PM (f9c2L)


Are you kidding? They're a lock to be that stupid. Look at all the soccer moms who voted for Obama. Hello, where is an obvious place to cut back on health care expenditures? Here's a hint: who are the main consumers of health care, after the elderly?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 12, 2013 12:16 PM (IDSI7)

101 Once again, our health care troubles all stem from the wage controls instituted during WWII.

I disagree. They took advantage of an opportunity to implement it, but it isn't like they wouldn't have continued trying if that hadn't worked. Our troubles stem from a "something for nothing" attitude and a governing class that is willing to comply.

Posted by: pep at February 12, 2013 12:16 PM (YXmuI)

102 Joffen,

We expected the supervised visitation ruling, but what happened with the job?

Lay out the details so that we know how that came about.

Posted by: jwest at February 12, 2013 12:16 PM (ZDsRL)

103 Yes, the voting public is mainly stupid. But that stupid?

After last November, this is a question?

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Keeper of Ampersands and Breitbart Login Spaces at February 12, 2013 12:17 PM (GBXon)

104 My father goes on Medicare next year and my mom is right behind him. They are boomers who have worked hard their entire lives. The thought that the government would deny them care enrages me! Eff Obama.

Posted by: jmel at February 12, 2013 12:17 PM (Cg4Gb)

105 Um, I'mquite certain that the rich and elites in CA are getting the best healthcare money can buy. Funny how the rich, no matter how the government tries to punish them, don't really get punished.

Posted by: SH at February 12, 2013 12:17 PM (gmeXX)

106 @ 99 funny how LBJ's shit keeps calling bad stuff? It was planned that way

Posted by: Clemenza at February 12, 2013 12:17 PM (Q8Pu5)

107 I didn't know you lived in CA. Here we have the DREAM Act, so wetbacks' kids can go to UC free to pursue Lawnmowing Studies, but my kids can't get in (gotta have out of state tuition to float the fiscal boat), while I pay for the illegals. Beautiful.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 12, 2013 12:18 PM (IDSI7)

108
107 was in response to

we will be having our wallets shop-vacced so that AA recipients can go to college and medical school for free.

That'll be some really high quality medical care.
Posted by: Boots at February 12, 2013 12:16 PM (oG66P)

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 12, 2013 12:18 PM (IDSI7)

109 But.. it presumes the voting public will run to Democrats for a solution
to a disaster the Democrats thrust upon them. Yes, the voting public is
mainly stupid. But that stupid?


There seems to be some disagreement with you on this. FTR, I agree with you that folks will come to their senses. I guess we'll have to wait and see. It should keep life interesting and give us something to yell at each other about.

Posted by: pep at February 12, 2013 12:18 PM (YXmuI)

110 ObamaCare doesn't help anyone; rather, it screws everyone. It was meant to do this. It's a Trojan Horse for single payer. Obama and liberals know this and meant to create a crappy healthcare plan via ObamaCare - they want people pissed off and unhappy so they can launch single payer.
They don't care how many people get screwed with ObamaCare as long as they get their desired result - single payer.

Posted by: Hoi Polloi Wingnutia at February 12, 2013 12:18 PM (S+el1)

111 @ 105 even the best Hospitals are being over run by the Humanity from Mehico

Posted by: Clemenza at February 12, 2013 12:19 PM (Q8Pu5)

112
we will be having our wallets shop-vacced so that AA recipients can go to college and medical school for free.

That'll be some really high quality medical care.


Yep. I've been thinking about asking my vet if he'll take us as patients.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 12, 2013 12:19 PM (IDSI7)

113 Ben Smith was right: If the govt. is going torunning $Trillions in deficits, who do you think will get left holding the bag?

Posted by: Deafdog at February 12, 2013 12:19 PM (YUwuZ)

114 Ace up

Posted by: Vic at February 12, 2013 12:20 PM (53z96)

115 send the illegals home and voila, surplus Dr's

I think we're importing Physician's Assistants from the Philippines as fast as possible.

By the way, ever been to a hospital recently? Wow, what a full-employment racket they've got going on there. Orderlies doing jack bustling up and down the hallways. I don't blame them, it's better than their last jobs at Taco Bell.

Posted by: t-bird at February 12, 2013 12:20 PM (FcR7P)

116 "Go here for a subsidy calculator: http://tinyurl.com/86hryq9
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 12, 2013 12:05 PM (f9c2L)"

Great link, first site I've seen that gives everyone an idea of what they're looking at.

Posted by: lowandslow at February 12, 2013 12:20 PM (7Nq2G)

117
Funny thing about liberals and rules.
So I attend our Neighborhood Community Association (NOT an HOA) monthly meeting.
Our President tells the Board of this new policy he is putting into effect.
I point out that his policy is in violation of our governing By-Laws.
He explains that he didn't know our By-Laws directly address the subject of his policy.
I ask him if as the President, his offering the defense that he is ignorant of the content of our By-Laws was in his opinion a good path to go down.
I'm an asshole.


You, sir or madam as the case may be, have broken the code.

Commander Ripley was right: "Did IQ's go down suddenly?"

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 12, 2013 12:21 PM (+z4pE)

118 My father goes on Medicare next year and my mom is right behind him. They are boomers who have worked hard their entire lives. The thought that the government would deny them care enrages me

---

The government won't. Everyone here needs to understand, that the boomers will be ok. They have the votes to protect themselves. Does anyone believe that the most self-centered generation won't find a way to protect themselves in retirement.

Its Generation X that is going to get screwed. We are being punished over and over, the next 15-20 years will be our primeearning years and we are going to be taxed to hell. Then just as we are entering retirment, all the benefits that the previous 3 generations enjoyed will be gone.

Your boomer parents are going to be ok.

Posted by: SH at February 12, 2013 12:21 PM (gmeXX)

119 There seems to be some disagreement with you on this. FTR, I agree with you that folks will come to their senses. I guess we'll have to wait and see. It should keep life interesting and give us something to yell at each other about.

Posted by: pep at February 12, 2013 12:18 PM (YXmuI)


My problem with that is that the "wait and see" period looks to be another 20 years out.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 12, 2013 12:21 PM (Qxe/p)

120 Oh shit Joffen. I was where you're at almost 30 years ago.
That is one tough spot to be in man.
First thing is take care of Joffen!
Have a good attorney and do what they say! Do not try to be nice to the wife "for your daughter's sake" as far as the settlement goes.
I know how crazy this crap can drive you man. Talk to friends you're close to. Let em know you need em now more than ever. We're here for ya too!

Posted by: teej at February 12, 2013 12:22 PM (m4AUe)

121
Yes, the voting public ismainly stupid. But that stupid?

There seems to be some disagreement with you on this. FTR, I agree with you that folks will come to their senses.
Posted by: pep at February 12, 2013 12:18 PM (YXmuI)


You're betting on the intelligence of the voting public? That's some weapons-grade optimism there.

The Reds and the MSM (BIRM) willblame Republicans, even if none exist any longer. And it will work.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 12, 2013 12:22 PM (IDSI7)

122
The rich never get punished. Look at the photo today at Drudge, that fat-faced Kim Jung Fatso of North Korea, he and his toadies are living large while the people of North Korea are quite literally starving to death.

Warren Buffet and George Soros and that evil guy Schmidt at Google, all big fat butterfaces.

Posted by: Boots at February 12, 2013 12:22 PM (oG66P)

123 Of course Obamacare is an attempt to force the young, who often don't need or purchase insurance to start paying in. That's the entire point. Why is Ben Smith revealing this like it's new information? Maybe it's new to him, but the rest if us aren't all idiots. And it won't end up hurting the young that much because they still buy insurance, opting rather to pay the relatively modest fine instead.

Posted by: Mullaney at February 12, 2013 12:23 PM (s8XaI)

124 Your boomer parents are going to be ok.

Posted by: SH at February 12, 2013 12:21 PM (gmeXX)


I've mentioned that to my Gen-X kids.
I also point out that they'll be struggling, but what really pisses me off is that my grandkids are completely screwed.

I get baffled looks.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 12, 2013 12:23 PM (Qxe/p)

125
The Reds and the MSM (BIRM) willblame Republicans, even if none exist any longer. And it will work.

Btw, this is what happens in California. California's fucked up and broke? It's those damned Republicans, that's what it is. Those five guys sitting in a corner in the Legislature, rocking and moaning, they're fucking up everything! It's their fault!

And it works.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 12, 2013 12:23 PM (IDSI7)

126 I do not find Adam Corrola funny I am going to stay here and bitch about the lack of border security and Osamas Master plan to make all those Mohados citizens by bic..

Posted by: Clemenza at February 12, 2013 12:24 PM (Q8Pu5)

127 Whoops, meant to say "still won't buy insurance".

Posted by: Mullaney at February 12, 2013 12:24 PM (s8XaI)

128 Posted by: RoyalOil at February 12, 2013 12:03 PM (VjL9S)

What were they to do to repeal it without the senate or president?

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 12, 2013 12:25 PM (xAtAj)

129 I'm going to repeat my personal Obamacare story once again. As a retiree in my early sixties I pay for my own health insurance. Normally my health insurance premiums go up about $10 per month. Once in a great while, $15 or once $20 per month. For this year it went up $148 per month.

That bastard told the American people that his bill would cause health insurance rates to decrease. Those of us who are responsible and purchase health insurance are going to have to pay the cost for the people who choose to not buy insurance until AFTER they have a major medical issue.

As usual, the democrats promote irresponsible behavior and the hand the bill for the irresponsible behavior to the people who are responsible.

Oh, and I'm assuming you all know who I mean by "that bastard".

Posted by: nerdygirl at February 12, 2013 12:25 PM (bKckD)

130 I have a rule: Optimism regarding the limits of Teh Stupid is, itself, a form of Teh Stupid.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Keeper of Ampersands and Breitbart Login Spaces at February 12, 2013 12:27 PM (GBXon)

131 By the way, if you buy and sell stocks or mutual funds, I have a little surprise for you. You no longer are allowed to choose the cost basis method. Under the law, brokers and funds are required to sell uncovered shares (ie, probably the cheapest shares) first, before any covered shares are sold.
The only way I have found to get around this is to set up separate accounts for the same security, and put new purchases into the new account, so when you sell, you can sell the covered new shares if you wish, or sell the older uncovered shares if you wish.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at February 12, 2013 12:27 PM (BiMP/)

132 @129 thats redistribution of responsibility...thank you for your participation..

Posted by: Clemenza at February 12, 2013 12:28 PM (Q8Pu5)

133 124 jwb760,

Yup, but on the bright side Gen X has known we're fucked a heap long time.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 12, 2013 12:28 PM (LRFds)

134 So no enterprising lawyer will sue about the racism contained in this shit bill? Tanning tax anyone?

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at February 12, 2013 12:31 PM (UU0OF)

135 nerdygirl

"That bastard told the American people that his bill would cause health insurance rates to decrease"
I think I see your problem. Just like in his autobiography, where the people he mentioned were assumed to be actual individuals, but were in actuality "Composite" people.
You assumed that the sentences Obama uttered consisted of facts. Those were composite sentences. They were made up of words he had used in several other sentences in his life, and then stitched together to give the impression of a whole sentence.
Easy mistake to make actually.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 12, 2013 12:32 PM (bTPOR)

136 Economics is a zero-sum game. At some point, you've made enough money.


Posted by: Bronco Bama at February 12, 2013 12:32 PM (iwHxr)

137 This thread needs more flying squid.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 12, 2013 12:32 PM (uhftQ)

138 "They may actually have trouble getting treatment though because of the expected shortage of doctors and lower reimbursements for med treatment. "

And what will happen to the quality of doctors? Currently high academic achievers want to be doctors. Good income, interesting work, and status.

But doctors hate it when others try to tell them how to treat a patient. I've gotten into conversations about this with my own doctor. If you add more interference with how they practice medicine to lower reimbursement rates, the best and brightest won't go to med schools, and will take early retirement. The med schools will take less qualified candidates. The medical profession will have the same level of mediocrity as education.

Posted by: nerdygirl at February 12, 2013 12:33 PM (bKckD)

139 After reading the comments on that piece (of $h*t) Second look at Canada, maybe?

Posted by: Obama Rock ( Father of Chris) at February 12, 2013 12:47 PM (u0wJh)

140 Ben Smith is a tool, dweeb, Shirt Lifting Julie Boy and less than candid fellow, IMHO.

Posted by: eureka! at February 12, 2013 12:51 PM (HPRku)

141 nerdygirl: "But doctors hate it when others try to tell them how to treat a patient.
I've gotten into conversations about this with my own doctor. If you
add more interference with how they practice medicine to lower
reimbursement rates, the best and brightest won't go to med schools, and
will take early retirement. The med schools will take less qualified
candidates. The medical profession will have the same level of
mediocrity as education."

I, for one, am looking forward to my union-mandated lunch and ciggy breaks. Patients? Fuck em. As long as I keep my union rep happy, I'm golden.

Posted by: Peej at February 12, 2013 12:52 PM (ctaN6)

142 "Medicare eligibility will be expanded"

Sounds like the ol' "Medicare, Medicaid, whatever they call it" shit that has lent so much clarity to the national conversation.

Posted by: Jeanne of the North at February 12, 2013 12:54 PM (GdalM)

143 I concur with Miss Marple @84. I've been telling my doc friends who say they will retire that retirement is a figment of their imaginations. Howsilly to think it is their choice to work or not to work. The days of liberty are over Doc.There will be a health care crisis anddocs will be conscripted to provide care at reduced military wages or go to the brig or face a firing squad for treason against the collective. I tell them [told them] to watch Dr. Zhivago for a few ideas about drafting medical help and the notions of private property. NO poetry for you!

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at February 12, 2013 12:58 PM (qwK3S)

144 "At some point, you've had enough health care."

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at February 12, 2013 12:59 PM (qwK3S)

145 "If you like your congestive heart failure, you can keep your congestive heart failure."

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at February 12, 2013 01:00 PM (qwK3S)

146 BTW, one of my doc friends fears that a patient will be denied care and will come back wearing an Iranian death vest. I told him that he should make sure they have the phone number and address of the nearest Dem Congressman or Sen. to state their complaints about O-care.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at February 12, 2013 01:02 PM (qwK3S)

147
"Yup, but on the bright side Gen X has known we're fucked a heap long time."

I feel stupid and contageous. Here we are now. Entertain us.

Posted by: Jaws at February 12, 2013 01:06 PM (4I3Uo)

148 143 poster formerly known as Mr barky,

They better be ready to emigrate...

I joked when this shit sandwich passed I am tempted to be the guy to force the docs to work at gunpoint....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 12, 2013 01:07 PM (LRFds)

149 54
Here's something I've never gotten: the Reds (and let's face it, the liberals/ progressives/ Democrats/ socialists are all Reds, whether or notthey realize it or admit it) always speaking contemptuously of the "bourgeoisie," which is French for "middle class." Yet the Reds also always bang on about protecting and helping the "middle class" (most recently and notably, Fauxcahontas). Does nobody own a dictiontary any more?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 12, 2013 12:02 PM (IDSI7)


Simple. They're lying.

Marxists always target the bourgeoisie for destruction. ALWAYS.

Posted by: rickl at February 12, 2013 01:11 PM (zoehZ)

150 Sven, I would anticipate:
"I am sorry Herr Doktor, there is a problem with your passport . . ."

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at February 12, 2013 01:24 PM (qwK3S)

151 150 the poster formerly known as Mr barky,

pretty much...

can't wait until Barky starts "deciding how much money is enough" for other professions too....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 12, 2013 01:28 PM (LRFds)

152 Fucking good ol boys club...

Posted by: Melodicmetal at February 12, 2013 01:55 PM (QY9FJ)

153 Your health care is only as good as the number of illegals who take advantage of the system..
Posted by: Clemenza at February 12, 2013 12:13 PM (Q8Pu5)
_________________________

We won't have as many "illegals" as we did before. Obama will give them legal status, and then they'll be eligible for all those juicy Obamacare taxpayer-funded subsidies. (The law says any alien "legally present" in the U.S. can claim a subsidy. Keep that in mind when you hear Dims (or RINO's) say that illegals will only get "provisional" or "probational" legal status. They will still be "legally present" in the U.S., and that means they'll be entitled to Obamacare subsidies, as well as a host of other taxpayer-financed goodies).

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