Saturday Night Live Cuts Groaningly Unfunny Hagel Sketch, and Yet Keeps the Rest

Have you seen what they cut? The show pretends that Republicans' problem with Hagel is that he made the innocuous claim that "Israel's and America's interests will not always line up perfectly."

They pretend the problem isn't his frequent talk of a "Jewish lobby."

The sketch died at dress rehearsal -- you can hear pins not just dropping but merely contemplating giving gravity a spin -- so they cut it.

But these political complaints mask a more serious problem -- Saturday Night Live's problem isn't political bias, it's its failure to deliver anything resembling comedy week after after week.

Posted by: Ace at 04:13 PM



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Posted by: JDTAY at February 11, 2013 04:15 PM (a0nis)

2 Saturday Night Live: So funny I forgot to laugh, for at least a decade now.

Posted by: JDTAY at February 11, 2013 04:15 PM (a0nis)

3 comments about Hamas/Hezbollah and all-carrot-no-stick diplomacy? sidenotes.

i see SNL's learned Obama strawmanning well.

Posted by: JDP at February 11, 2013 04:16 PM (60GaT)

4 I would argue that their biases get in the way of finding humor.

BTW - Phil Hartman would have made a great Hagel.

Posted by: SH at February 11, 2013 04:16 PM (gmeXX)

5 SNL has always sucked.
You only think it used to be good because you only remember the funny bits (Dick in a Box), while forgetting that you watched hours of pointless shit to get to that one funny thing.

Posted by: wooga at February 11, 2013 04:16 PM (SDLxN)

6 Step 1: cut a hole in the box.

Posted by: EC at February 11, 2013 04:16 PM (GQ8sn)

7 I have not watched SNL since soon after the original crew left

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 11, 2013 04:17 PM (9Bj8R)

8 What the hell, this is so unfunny it is giving me cancer.

Posted by: gigg at February 11, 2013 04:18 PM (41VCE)

9 70's SNL was pretty damn funny. Not all skits were "make your stomach muscles hurt" funny, but it was a damn sight funnier than the shit they shovel out now.

Posted by: © Sponge at February 11, 2013 04:18 PM (xmcEQ)

10 SNL died with chris farley and the whole 90's gang. Back when Christopher walken was always a regular.

Posted by: Saar at February 11, 2013 04:18 PM (ryT1J)

11 SNL hasn't been funny since the late '70s.

Posted by: USMC8541 at February 11, 2013 04:18 PM (sGtp+)

12 It looks like that guy Javier at the Conversation is stealing what I thought was and AOSHQ copyrighted technique - the double post. You need to quit kicking Iowahawk in the balls for a few minutes and let that guy know his place. Double posts are for closers.

Posted by: Xander Crews at February 11, 2013 04:18 PM (NPqnO)

13 SNL has been -- recently for sure and possibly since the beginning -- something akin to tiny flecks of gold hidden in a cow pie.

Posted by: Stu-22 at February 11, 2013 04:19 PM (k4bdL)

14 Nothing says, "Dangerous And Subversive," quite like Eagerly Sucking Up To The Establishment.



Somewhere, Lenny Bruce kills himself again.

Posted by: BuddyPC at February 11, 2013 04:19 PM (jfUIE)

15
C-I-L-L my nominee.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 11, 2013 04:19 PM (nELVU)

16 ~ tap tap tap tap tap ~

.... so Hadji said to John Belushi ... yes, Hadji knew John, not Jim - Jim is a goat pimp - but John and Hadji used to hang ourselves out at the ... wait, this microphone? It is on?

Yes?

And so.

Hello! It is I, Hadji, the Comic with Schtik of All Things Islamic ... if you need to find Mecca, you ask Hadji.

Do you know the difference between Life and a Saturday Night sketch?

Life, it ends.

Thank you, thank you than --- wait, why are you booing Hadji? That joke? It was not John Cleese's first - Hadji tell John the joke during the Eid.

Hadji is no Carlos Menendez

Tip your waitresses and pray five times a day.

-

Posted by: Hadji the Muslim Comic at February 11, 2013 04:19 PM (RuUvx)

17 SNL hasn't been funny since Dana Carvey days.. and it was getting pretty crappy back then.

The idiots don't know when to end a sketch.. they got one joke/gag and they stretch it to ten minutes.. not funny.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 11, 2013 04:20 PM (f9c2L)

18 Sat Night Live died with Phil Hartman.

Posted by: garrett at February 11, 2013 04:20 PM (VCOq/)

19 i'm not down on SNL in general, but Meyers's Weekend Update's way too close to "snarky point-scoring as humor" Jon Stewart-type territory these days.

Posted by: JDP at February 11, 2013 04:20 PM (60GaT)

20 I'd rather talk about mayonnaise.

Posted by: garrett at February 11, 2013 04:21 PM (VCOq/)

21 SNL has been little more than a twitching corpse since at least the mid-80s, and that's probably being kind.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 11, 2013 04:21 PM (4df7R)

22 When they did'nt parody Rev. Wright I gave up.

Posted by: tony redenzo at February 11, 2013 04:22 PM (lVrhB)

23 I was just mentally wishing for Hadji while reading Ace's post. . . . and then Hadji's here. Wow! How did I do that?

Posted by: L, elle at February 11, 2013 04:22 PM (0PiQ4)

24 Hadji, SNL would be 1000 times better if you were in the ensemble!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 11, 2013 04:22 PM (4df7R)

25
Hadji, SNL would be 1000 times better if you were in the ensemble!


Posted by: MWR
..........
So, then it would still be a bunch of dummies?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 11, 2013 04:23 PM (f9c2L)

26 When your focus is "How can we make Republicans look stupid?" then you're deliberately short-circuiting the humor potential of anything you write anyway. That's the same problem Stewart/Colbert has. They're funny sometimes, sure. Sometimes humor does line up with ridiculing the GOP. But when it doesn't, then you get sketches like this.

Point being, SNL's political focus IS the same problem as their inability to be funny.

Posted by: Caiwyn at February 11, 2013 04:24 PM (ttktr)

27 Sat Night Live died with Phil Hartman.
Posted by: garrett at February 11, 2013 04:20 PM (VCOq/)


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I still chuckle when I remember his "Anal Retentive......." series of skits.

Posted by: Soona at February 11, 2013 04:24 PM (drE9i)

28 22 When they did'nt parody Rev. Wright I gave up.


You know they'll parody the pope soon.

Posted by: Saar at February 11, 2013 04:24 PM (ryT1J)

29 Way off topic, and something I would rarely say, but Glenn Greenwald has a must read piece at the Guardian today. I disagree with him on a hell of a lot of things, but at least he seems to have some principles outside of Leader Worship. That makes for an uncomfortable alliance when everyone else on his side is a member of the Obama Cult.

Posted by: Aaron at February 11, 2013 04:24 PM (Tlix5)

30 fan of Wayne's World here.

Posted by: L, elle at February 11, 2013 04:24 PM (0PiQ4)

31 Man that's some funny stuff!

I love SNL!!!!

Posted by: Typical Retarded Liberal Fucktard at February 11, 2013 04:25 PM (ntNJz)

32 Now... if we could just get Jeff Dunham's Walter a guest spot on SNL...

"you suck...."

Posted by: Romeo13....... at February 11, 2013 04:26 PM (lZBBB)

33 That's some funny stuff right there.


Classic!

Posted by: Too Stupid Not To Shit Standing Up at February 11, 2013 04:27 PM (ntNJz)

34 on Hagel the problem isn't that he talked about a Jewish lobby, it's that like a lot of "realists" he places way, way too much centrality on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and Israeli influence in our foreign policy.

how did going into Iraq, whatever one thinks of it, benefit Israel for instance? Saddam Hussein was weakened way before that. and what do the current upheavals in the M.E. -- including one against not-a-big-fan-of-Israel Assad -- have to do with the I-P situation?

people like Hagel seem incapable of acknowledging that Islamism exists independently of our actions in the M.E. these people aren't going to quit with their fundamental goals if we decide to be "nicer" or w/e.

Posted by: JDP at February 11, 2013 04:27 PM (60GaT)

35
At least the original crew was funny: Bass-o-Matic, Cheeburger, Samurai-Whatever, the Coneheads. Not long after, it all went to shit.

Second City TV was ten times funnier.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 11, 2013 04:27 PM (+z4pE)

36 I remember when SNL was funny, once.

Posted by: Roland THTG at February 11, 2013 04:27 PM (QM5S2)

37 Ace I just watched that skit. It was awful. Very little was funny. The problem is it is humor that is totally geared toward one side. Its only funny because you think anything that makes fun of Republicans is funny.

In the old days, Phil Hartman would have played a clueless Hagel and the humor would have been on his cluelessness. Now Hagel looks entirely normal. The SNL writers watched a completely different set of hearings, or more than likely never watched them at all. The whole country, Republicans and Dems, know that Hagel came across as a buffoon. But in this skit, he is the only normal politician.

Oh well, I don't watch much anymore. Simply because every time I do watch, it is unfunny. They may get one good skit in, but that is it. But SNL is simply a reflection of our polarized society. They decided to do humor solely at the expense of Republicans and conservatives and have thus turned me off. Same with Lettermen.

That's fine, I'll find my humor elsewhere.

Posted by: SH at February 11, 2013 04:28 PM (gmeXX)

38 Saturday Night Live's problem isn't political bias, it's its failure to deliver anything resembling comedy week after after week.

I would suggest that those are connected, because progressivism demands that its practitioners be Totally Serious About It, You Guys. Only conservatives and libertarians can actually be joked about.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 11, 2013 04:28 PM (B/VB5)

39 The last time SNL was funny; Jimmy Carter was President. Yet they couldn't find anything funny to mock him about. They still had to resort to mocking Ford.

They (the Infotainment Industrial Complex/State Media) hasn't really changed, we've just got more perceptive and they've gotten more blatant.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at February 11, 2013 04:28 PM (qyv02)

40 There's no one with any talent on the show any more.

The KY ad that preceded the bit was way more entertaining.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 11, 2013 04:28 PM (UOM48)

41 I actually wanted to watch SNL but had to run out and get a very late diner (with a spin through the 24 hour Starbucks drive-thru)... so I DVR'd it... or so I thought. It was missing when I tried to pull it up later that night.

Anyways, yet... usually only 2-4 sketches a show actually make me laugh. Most are just "heh" worthy.

Posted by: Serious Cat at February 11, 2013 04:29 PM (UypUQ)

42 Haven't watched it since Bill Murray was in the cast. It probably sucked then; I was 18. What the fuck did I know?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 11, 2013 04:29 PM (XkWWK)

43 SNL's still on?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 11, 2013 04:29 PM (/kI1Q)

44 Glenn Greenwald has a must read piece at the Guardian today.

He sure does!

Posted by: Rick Ellison at February 11, 2013 04:29 PM (B/VB5)

45 SNL has committed the ultimate crime, making me actually miss MADtv

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at February 11, 2013 04:30 PM (NzBQO)

46 When Kristen Wiig left, I figured why bother.

SNL occasionally has some very funny stuff- the Peyton Manning skit, "It's Not Gay If It's In A Three-Way" with Andy Samberg and Justin Timberlake- but at its heart, SNL ridicules and mocks a lot of things I believe in. It gets so fucking tiresome.

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 11, 2013 04:30 PM (8sCoq)

47
Political correctness has pretty much killed comedy.

And it's not even really true 'political correctness'...because it's deemed 'okay' to poke fun at conservatives.
So it's very one-sided.

There are a lot of stand-up comics these days, whose whole routine is about slamming conservatives.

Which illustrates that the whole PC thing is a liberal construct that is designed to gag conservatives and deprive them of freedom of speech.

Posted by: wheatie at February 11, 2013 04:30 PM (w27/Q)

48 can't ever read Greenwald, too much typical left-libertarian Security State paranoia

Posted by: JDP at February 11, 2013 04:31 PM (60GaT)

49 I don't think I've watched SNL since the early 80's. Looks like I haven't missed much.

Posted by: Soona at February 11, 2013 04:32 PM (drE9i)

50 Havn't seen it in years. Aint gonns neither.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 11, 2013 04:32 PM (l86i3)

51
SNL and the media have become court jesters.

They entertain their king by reenacting all of Obama's victories in silly, exxagerrated vignettes.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 11, 2013 04:32 PM (NLH1M)

52 SNL and the media have become court jesters.

They entertain their king by reenacting all of Obama's victories in silly, exxagerrated vignettes.
Posted by: soothsayer at February 11, 2013 04:32 PM (NLH1M)

Beat analogy I have ever heard. Throw in the MSM while your at it.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 11, 2013 04:33 PM (l86i3)

53 SNL sucks so much that no one's telling me I have to watch it to be part of the zeitgeist of popular culture, so at least there's that.

Posted by: Andy at February 11, 2013 04:33 PM (C/NnJ)

54 too much typical left-libertarian Security State paranoia

I dunno, in this age of TSA looking to expand to trains and buses and the Social Security Administration stocking up on ammo I think the libertarians may have a point.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 11, 2013 04:33 PM (B/VB5)

55
SNL's problem is very simple.

It isthe in-crowd.They are politically correct, socially aware and full-on liberal orthodxy. Guess what? The in-crowd is where you find material to mock and ridicule.

They are too insular to realize that they are missing 90% of what can be ridiculed and mocked in this world today.

Posted by: rd at February 11, 2013 04:34 PM (zLp5I)

56 There are a lot of stand-up comics these days, whose whole routine is about slamming conservatives. Which illustrates that the whole PC thing is a liberal construct that is designed to gag conservatives and deprive them of freedom of speech.
Posted by: wheatie at February 11, 2013 04:30 PM (w27/Q)


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That's the whole purpose of political correctness. Suppression of the truth.

It's the marxist way.

Posted by: Soona at February 11, 2013 04:34 PM (drE9i)

57 O/T Dr. Carson is on with Cavuto right now.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 11, 2013 04:34 PM (UOM48)

58 Wheatie, there is a lot of truth in that statement. No way you would ever see a sketch like Chevy Chase interviewing Richard Prior for a job interview. That was funny.

I always liked the late 80's cast, but of course I was in HS then and now it appears that that cast was much less liberal than we thought. Miller Lovitz Carvey and Jackson, later with Farley and Sandler.

Posted by: SH at February 11, 2013 04:34 PM (gmeXX)

59
I managed to catch a show around twelve years ago. It had some animated bestiality scene in it that was in no ways funny. That was when I Officially Gave Up on Them.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 11, 2013 04:34 PM (+z4pE)

60
I've been boycotting NBC for nearly two decades.
It's becomehabit now.
I don't miss it.

Posted by: wheatie at February 11, 2013 04:34 PM (w27/Q)

61 Although, "What's Up With That!" always cracks me up

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 11, 2013 04:35 PM (8sCoq)

62
O/T....

..... but I am terribly disappointed that not ONE poster today has referenced TWD premier last night.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 11, 2013 04:35 PM (nELVU)

63
Ted Nugent is attending TFG SotU.

No camera will show him there though.

Posted by: RWC at February 11, 2013 04:36 PM (fWAjv)

64 The whole PC thing is not to deprive conservatives of free speech but to give liberals the excuse to make fun of them and to make them feel guilty for expressing themselves.

It's the "shaming" but perverted and twisted as only Liberal/Progressives can do. DoubleSpeak.

It's how to tell a liberal; when they twist the language, distort the meanings and relabel everything, then castigate anyone who is honest and speaks the facts as being (fill in pejorative here).

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at February 11, 2013 04:36 PM (qyv02)

65 Um...

... Playing Black Senator Tim Scott as a broad Stepin Fetchit stereotype...

... Kind of...

... Um...

... Oh, dear, what is that word the left is always using?

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at February 11, 2013 04:36 PM (QXlbZ)

66 When your glory days include when Sandler was part of your cast, well, nuff said.

Posted by: gigg at February 11, 2013 04:36 PM (41VCE)

67 @63: Maybe the Nuge can yell "Liar!" at the appropriate places (like after every sentence TFG says). That'll get him on camera.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 11, 2013 04:36 PM (B/VB5)

68 I haven't watched SNL since I was in high school.
It stopped being funny when John Belushi
died.

Posted by: CarolT at February 11, 2013 04:37 PM (hjRtO)

69 Oh well, SNL, Letterman, they are all old remnants of their once funny selves.

South Park is much better at mocking things that should be mocked.

Posted by: SH at February 11, 2013 04:37 PM (gmeXX)

70 I have lost track of how many people I have spoken with you quite seriously believe that Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from her house and not that Tina Fey said it. Somehow I have managed not to beat any of them.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 11, 2013 04:37 PM (VtjlW)

71 NBC is TASS. State propagandists, plain and simple.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at February 11, 2013 04:37 PM (7tURs)

72 The Walking Dead wasn't exactly a premier. It just returned to the middle of the season from a very long hiatus.

But it was pretty good anyway.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 11, 2013 04:37 PM (f9c2L)

73 Do people still watch SNL?

The days of Bass-a-Matic and Julia Child continuing to do her cooking show while spurting quarts of blood have been gone for decades. I've caught small parts of it while flipping through the channels it was just painful to watch.

Posted by: nerdygirl at February 11, 2013 04:38 PM (bKckD)

74 57 O/T Dr. Carson is on with Cavuto right now.

Yep...watching it, too.

Dr. Carson should be keeping an eye out for Drone strikes.

Posted by: wheatie at February 11, 2013 04:38 PM (w27/Q)

75 69

ehhhh South Park used to be a lot funnier when they included random/character humor and weren't mostly "what's in the news today"

Posted by: JDP at February 11, 2013 04:38 PM (60GaT)

76 Posted by: alexthechick - you gotta admit those were pretty funny though...

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 11, 2013 04:39 PM (f9c2L)

77 70
I have lost track of how many people I have spoken with you quite
seriously believe that Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from her
house and not that Tina Fey said it. Somehow I have managed not to beat
any of them.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 11, 2013 04:37 PM (VtjlW

Yep. My sooper-smart NYC b-i-l believes Palin said it. I explained to him for the millionth time that Tina Fey said it and he rolled his eyes.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 11, 2013 04:39 PM (UOM48)

78
hey, I wonder if they ever made fun of Larry Craig or Mark Foley?

Oh, of course they did.

But the buggery of Barney Frank and the drooling pimping of Bobby Menendez...not really any humor to be found there.

How lame is it that they only set guideposts for politics.

Mr. Mike would shove giant steel needles, about 10-12 inches long and the diameter of approximately a nickel, deep into their eye sockets.

Then he would arrange for a squadron of bears to show up and eviscerate them, while playing an old recording, LP, of the Rite of Spring.


Posted by: Rev dr E buzz at February 11, 2013 04:40 PM (raGXo)

79 Last weeks show was terrible, the worst of the year. There were a couple of shows earlier in the the year that were pretty ok.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 11, 2013 04:40 PM (w+Dvf)

80 can't ever read Greenwald, too much typical left-libertarian Security State paranoia


Posted by: JDP at February 11, 2013 04:31 PM (60GaT)
I know what you mean, even as a libertarian myself (sad to say a lot of folks in that camp want to pretend defense is optional). But I highly recommend reading it because his focus isn't on the laws but on the Left's reaction to the same laws under Bush and under Obama. Let me give you a taste:
"This is not just basic American political history. It's basic human
nature. And the greater the power is - and there is no greater power
than targeting citizens for execution - the more urgent those principles
are. Watching progressive media figures outright admit that trust in
Barack Obama as Leader guides their unprincipled political arguments is
only slightly more jarring than watching them embrace that mentality
while pretending they're not."

A very common thread around this blog recently has been how openly unprincipled our opponents are becoming. Any leverage we can get to shame them into being principled is a must, even if we disagree with those principles. Anything other than this Leader Worship crap.

Posted by: Aaron at February 11, 2013 04:40 PM (Tlix5)

81 Fuck Hula. I am not disabling by ad blocker to see some dumb fucking SNL skit after some dumb fucking ad.

Cliff notes please.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 11, 2013 04:41 PM (wR+pz)

82 I have lost track of how many people I have spoken with you quite seriously believe that Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from her house and not that Tina Fey said it. Somehow I have managed not to beat any of them. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 11, 2013 04:37 PM (VtjlWYep. My sooper-smart NYC b-i-l believes Palin said it. I explained to him for the millionth time that Tina Fey said it and he rolled his eyes.
Posted by: Jane D'oh
***

Challenge them to a money bet about it. That will get some to bite right there.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 11, 2013 04:41 PM (uhftQ)

83
Um...

... Playing Black Senator Tim Scott as a broad Stepin Fetchit stereotype...

... Kind of...

... Um...

... Oh, dear, what is that word the left is always using?
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at February 11, 2013 04:36 PM (QXlbZ)


The same attitude they have been using since the 1840's.

Posted by: rd at February 11, 2013 04:41 PM (zLp5I)

84 When SNL is trying to be bland, they manage to succeed. When they try to be edgy, they fail horribly, partly because they're not that bright, partly because they have a distorted view of reality that make "edginess" look random from the POV of the real world (and random is rarely funny). And their humor is often ideologically-driven, which means it's less an attempt to be funny than an attempt to provoke a response by confirming more and more extreme biases, which wear even on ideologically similar people.

Also because Jack Benny had a sketch where he hounded a store clerk to the point of suicide by gun and then helped himself to the register. Bitch, you aren't "edgy."

But mostly the "not very bright" part.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 11, 2013 04:42 PM (bxiXv)

85 AtC - I would simply dissassociate myself from stupid people. Life is too short.

Posted by: SH at February 11, 2013 04:42 PM (gmeXX)

86 I can see a lame-ass comedy skit from my back door.

Posted by: Roy at February 11, 2013 04:42 PM (VndSC)

87 >Yep. My sooper-smart NYC b-i-l believes Palin said
it. I explained to him for the millionth time that Tina Fey said it and
he rolled his eyes.




Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 11, 2013 04:39 PM (UOM4

it's one of those things that Libs want to be true SO BADLY, that they just decide it's true

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 11, 2013 04:42 PM (8sCoq)

88 Father Guido Sarducci is going to be the next Pope.

Posted by: Roy at February 11, 2013 04:43 PM (VndSC)

89 71 NBC is TASS. State propagandists, plain and simple.

It's worse, really...
TASS was owned and run by the Communist Party.
The people knew it.
They rolled their eyes at what was being spewed by TASS.

But what we have, with the likes of NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN is worse, because they masquerade as being 'independent'.

Posted by: wheatie at February 11, 2013 04:44 PM (w27/Q)

90 A very common thread around this blog recently has been how openly unprincipled our opponents are becoming. Any leverage we can get to shame them into being principled is a must, even if we disagree with those principles. Anything other than this Leader Worship crap.
Posted by: Aaron at February 11, 2013 04:40 PM (Tlix5)


________________

I get your point to a point but all of this--let's throw Glenn Greenwald a biscuit is maybe missing an important point.

All of his ranting and ravings helped get us here-to this point. We know have an Obama Messiah unchecked with an all adoring media propaganda machine--a monopoly on American thought and discourse.

Posted by: tasker at February 11, 2013 04:44 PM (r2PLg)

91 The last SNL group I watched was Adam Sandler, Farley, Spade, and Miller.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 11, 2013 04:44 PM (uhftQ)

92 Yep. My sooper-smart NYC b-i-l believes Palin said it. I explained to him for the millionth time that Tina Fey said it and he rolled his eyes.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 11, 2013 04:39 PM (UOM4


That's because he doesn't care about facts, the fact that he's lying about someone to denigrate them is irrelevant. He's doing what his ideology demands.

I've had numerous leftists tell me to my face that facts and figures are irrelevant, or a distraction, or missing the point - the point being apparently that *what they want* is important, not whether it works or is true or based on facts.

They're nucking futs, in other words.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 11, 2013 04:44 PM (bxiXv)

93 I'd be interested in a survey of sketch lengths for different seasons. It seems that lately they might have a funny idea, then they pound it to death for five minutes until you wonder if you ever found it funny.

Put a firm three minute limit on sketches, and see what happens. No extended lead-ups to a lame joke, no hitting the same point fifteen different ways so the dumb audience gets it...

Posted by: cryptical at February 11, 2013 04:44 PM (9Equ9)

94 We *now* have an Obama Messiah unchecked with an all adoring media propaganda machine--a monopoly on American thought and discourse.


_____________

Gad.

Posted by: tasker at February 11, 2013 04:44 PM (r2PLg)

95 Put a firm three minute limit on sketches, and see what happens. No extended lead-ups to a lame joke, no hitting the same point fifteen different ways so the dumb audience gets it...
Posted by: cryptical

If a comic has to explain the joke, it isn't a joke.

Posted by: Roy at February 11, 2013 04:45 PM (VndSC)

96 The thing with the Hagel skit is, the writers never even bothered to watch any of his testimony. They just took what MSNBC reported on it and tried to make it humorous. If they would have just spent a half hour watching the actual testimony they would have had plenty of material to make a funny sketch. I don't know if they ignored the fact Hagel is dumb as a post to protect their God-King or they're just fuck'n lazy.

Posted by: lowandslow at February 11, 2013 04:45 PM (7Nq2G)

97 I suppose I must join the inevitable list of those who ask "Is that show still on?"

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 11, 2013 04:45 PM (xjpRj)

98 Cryptical - I noticed the same thing. A sketch will start funny and just fade. Either in the past they were shorter, they didn't rely on one character (had more talent), or they were simply funnier.

Posted by: SH at February 11, 2013 04:46 PM (gmeXX)

99 "and there is no greater power
than targeting citizens for execution"

i don't see this in the terms Greenwald does. with the drone issue specifically we're talking about adjusting to a different kind of conflict, nothing more. i don't lose sleep thinking either party's suddenly gonna start drone-assassinating political opponents.

now i agree there's liberal doubletalk but that's a separate issue.

Posted by: JDP at February 11, 2013 04:47 PM (60GaT)

100

They know she didn't say it.

Part of it is 'people believe what they want to believe,' and the other part is them screwing with you.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 11, 2013 04:48 PM (OZ9Xn)

101 20yo problem w/snl

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 11, 2013 04:48 PM (/gHaE)

102 SNL stopped being funny when the writers couldn't write off all the blow they were buying for them and the actors.

All those fucker were wired to the gills in the 70's and 80's. Now, Starbucks is the best they get.


Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 11, 2013 04:48 PM (wR+pz)

103 Challenge them to a money bet about it. That will get some to bite right there.
Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 11, 2013 04:41 PM (uhftQ)


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Good idea. Then challenge them on something else they believe in their lefty illusions for an even bigger pot.Let them win one, and then pick something that you can go for the throat on.

Nice way to enhance your monthly pay.

Posted by: Soona at February 11, 2013 04:48 PM (drE9i)

104
SNL's fatal problems include:

Head writer Seth Meyers, who's actually worse at the job than Tina Fey.

And no decent looking female cast members. Homely and unfunny is a bad combination on a comedy show.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 11, 2013 04:50 PM (kdS6q)

105 @103

Try to collect. Liberals don't pay off bets.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 11, 2013 04:50 PM (wR+pz)

106 >>>it's its failure to deliver anything resembling comedy week after after week.

Well I think that the problem stems from leaving so much on the table not lack of talent. They refuse to make any serious jokes about prog notable figured, values, politics, or culture, as those things are too sacred to debase with serious cutting comedy. And since America is dominated by those four things at the current time, everything BIG and RELEVANT going on is prog driven in some way, they are reduced to making fun of the irrelevant. Which, well, struggles with the funny as sketch comedy.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 11, 2013 04:50 PM (0q2P7)

107 Posted by: tasker at February 11, 2013 04:44 PM (r2PLg)

True enough. I just don't know how else to show these people that they are already worshiping a person and how dangerous that is. Reasoned arguments will not work; I cannot stand seeing another person shut down mentally when confronted with the fact that the Iraq War did not cause $16 trillion of our debt or that we spend more on mandatory spending every year than defense. I feel like Winston Smith all the time and that's a bad way to be.

Posted by: Aaron at February 11, 2013 04:51 PM (Tlix5)

108
Challenge them to a money bet about it. That will get some to bite right there.

I like that idea. "Really, SarahCuda said that? Wanna put $50 on it?

No?

Chickenshit!"

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 11, 2013 04:51 PM (+z4pE)

109 All of his ranting and ravings helped get us here-to this point. We know have an Obama Messiah unchecked with an all adoring media propaganda machine--a monopoly on American thought and discourse.
Posted by: tasker at February 11, 2013 04:44 PM (r2PLg)


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As I've said, this nation is running out of words. The MFM and the cultural mediaare pushing us into a corner.

Posted by: Soona at February 11, 2013 04:52 PM (drE9i)

110 Adam Sandler made a deal with the devil, 'cause funny he ain't.

Phil Hartman had some very funny characters but he also pre-taped material which sorta defeated the whole purpose of "live" from NY its Saturday Night Live.

see also: colon blow

Then again, editing the west coast version pretty much ...

Posted by: 13times at February 11, 2013 04:53 PM (h6XiD)

111 South Park is pretty much the only equal opportunity offender in media. Sure, it makes me cringe every once in a while because some of the offense is the degree of vulgarity used, but not because they were being politically unreasonable. South Park is the anti-media.

As far as SNL, I guess it still represents the best New York politics has to offer, which is to say it is opting to make itself more appealing to an increasingly selective audience. Spinal Tap would be proud.

I don't think I've seen an episode since Hartman died, and I can't say I've sat for an entire episode since, well, the Murray-Akroyd days. That's a hella long time ago.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 11, 2013 04:53 PM (eHIJJ)

112 107 Posted by: tasker at February 11, 2013 04:44 PM (r2PLg)

True enough. I just don't know how else to show these people that they are already worshiping a person and how dangerous that is. Reasoned arguments will not work; I cannot stand seeing another person shut down mentally when confronted with the fact that the Iraq War did not cause $16 trillion of our debt or that we spend more on mandatory spending every year than defense. I feel like Winston Smith all the time and that's a bad way to be.
Posted by: Aaron at February 11, 2013 04:51 PM (Tlix5)

_________________

Jeebus completely agree with you.

It's pretty bad when it goes something like--

"Glenn Greenwald--you're are only hope!"

Gawd--I'm going to go shoot something--perhaps my foot just for the hell of it.

Posted by: tasker at February 11, 2013 04:53 PM (r2PLg)

113 Phil Hartman was hilarious. Tina Fey was/is talentless.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 11, 2013 04:54 PM (w+Dvf)

114 I like that idea. "Really, SarahCuda said that? Wanna put $50 on it?No?Chickenshit!"
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 11, 2013 04:51 PM (+z4pE)


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Don't go with the "chickenshit" moniker. Too confrontational. Call them a dumbass fucking leftard.

Posted by: Soona at February 11, 2013 04:55 PM (drE9i)

115
Adam Sandler made a deal with the devil, 'cause funny he ain't.
Posted by: 13times




Waterboy was a good comedy. So there.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 11, 2013 04:55 PM (kdS6q)

116 Waterboy was a good comedy. So there.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 11, 2013 04:55 PM (kdS6q)


I liked Mr. Deeds.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 11, 2013 04:55 PM (l86i3)

117 Last I checked, "not able to play with others" was not an impeachable offense.

Posted by: Alexander Hamilton at February 11, 2013 04:55 PM (e8kgV)

118 96 The thing with the Hagel skit is, the writers never even bothered to watch any of his testimony.

Posted by: lowandslow at February 11, 2013 04:45 PM (7Nq2G)


They might have, but since it contradicted The Narrative, it would have just faded from their memory almost instantly.

I remember the first time I saw that happen, I was so shocked! Now I expect it, denial of what was just seen with one's own eyes...

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 11, 2013 04:56 PM (bxiXv)

119 Challenge them to a money bet about it. That will get some to bite right there.

I like that idea. "Really, SarahCuda said that? Wanna put $50 on it?

No?

Chickenshit!"


I usually give them good odds. "I'll bet you a hundred dollars to a dollar, that she never said that" At 100 to 1 odds even a lefty starts to look stupid about not backing up their mouth.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 11, 2013 04:56 PM (0q2P7)

120 I agree. All my Canadian in-laws ridiculed me for living in a country that would nominate someone as dumb as Palin to run for Vice President.

They all brought up the "I can see Russia from my house" quote as proof of her stupidity. They all know Tina Fey was the one who said that, but they don't care; fake but accurate. She could've, should've said it.

100




They know she didn't say it.



Part of it is 'people believe what they want to believe,' and the other part is them screwing with you.





Posted by: soothsayer at February 11, 2013 04:48 PM (OZ9Xn)

Posted by: Pyrocles at February 11, 2013 04:57 PM (cv5Iw)

121 You are kidding about SNL, aren't you? They haven't been funny since... Never mind, you probably still LOVE Chevy, Belushi, or others/originals? While he was as funny as a stick in your eye... No, I'll stop there. "Now it's not funny!", he says. *sigh*

Next you will talk about how M.A.S.H. was just what America needed, until... until what? Until you woke up. I am glad the bad dream was appreciated, but I am much more pleased that it is ending. Ah well.

Posted by: Doom at February 11, 2013 04:57 PM (LHavG)

122
As I've said, this nation is running out of words. The MFM and the cultural mediaare pushing us into a corner.
Posted by: Soona at February 11, 2013 04:52 PM (drE9i)

_________________

Ace had some damn quote from a Supreme Court decision--what I got out of it--was absent a balanced discourse or a free market of ideas what you have is incitement.

I think you could cross out incitement and replace it with a political religion. Basically the media is just preaching at us.

Posted by: tasker at February 11, 2013 04:58 PM (r2PLg)

123 Everyone keeps running PAST the real problem here.

The real problem here is that we're now stuck in a society where fantasy skits on comedy shows like SNL, Daily Show, etc., are driving a significant segment of public opinion.

This phenomenon is more popularly known as: Game Over, Man.

If you live in a society where a critical mass of the populace is too stupid to recognize comedy skits as, you know, not-reality, you're essentially fucked.

Posted by: goy at February 11, 2013 05:00 PM (QsFws)

124 I never thought Sandler was that funny either, but I have a new found respect for him in this way. He geared everything for making money, and you can't really fault a guy there. He made comic music CD's that generated lots of royalties, he cleaned up his act and made PG comedies, and as he got older he made comedies for kids and parents. Now I don't find any of them particularly funny, but he knows how to make a dime. One way is to not try to be edgy.

Posted by: SH at February 11, 2013 05:03 PM (gmeXX)

125 lowandslow: "They just took what MSNBC reported on it and tried
to make it humorous."


I think you just nailed it. Do you think NBC Studios lets its employees watch anything other than an NBC product? Sure, the cast/producers/writers might get a whiff of other news from other network outlets; but they'll get the NBC-filtered prism version of them via other NBC employees. For example, they won't watch FOXNews. They'll watch MSNBC presenting a segment editorializing about FOXNews.

NBC is the bubble. SNL just lives inside it.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 11, 2013 05:04 PM (eHIJJ)

126 Billy Madison.

Jesus wept.

Posted by: 13times at February 11, 2013 05:04 PM (h6XiD)

127 Isn't SNL all re-runs?

Posted by: locomotivebreath1901 at February 11, 2013 05:04 PM (g2GdP)

128 SNL is now a Democrat Party institution.

It faces no threat of cancellation due to not being funny.

Stepping of the Plantation is another matter entirely.

Posted by: eman at February 11, 2013 05:06 PM (ZLETA)

129 Isn't SNL all re-runs?>>

No but to be green they do a lot of recycling.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 11, 2013 05:06 PM (81UWZ)

130 The deal with the devil includes fame and fortune.

Big Daddy.


Jon Stewart wept.

Posted by: 13times at February 11, 2013 05:07 PM (h6XiD)

131 Isn't Sandler sort of known as conservative/Republican in Hollywood? I don't think he made a deal with the devil, he simply found a way to use some conservative values to either tell a story or make some money. Big Daddy has a basically conservative message.

Posted by: SH at February 11, 2013 05:10 PM (gmeXX)

132

Tina Fey is not funny, nor was she ever funny.

Simply put, she is a very unfunny person, whoever put her in charge needs to be shot for doing something so stupid.

She will never be funny. It's virtually literally impossible for her to be funny.






Posted by: Rev dr E buzz at February 11, 2013 05:11 PM (raGXo)

133 Holy crap--Ace.

Go read Ace on Breitbart on this subject and then this post.

We are getting the left overs.

And this place has Ace's fake name on it!

Posted by: tasker at February 11, 2013 05:12 PM (r2PLg)

134 The Jewish lobby exists, and they are quite powerful. It's absurd to attack someone for speaking the truth.

Posted by: JohnKerryIsADoucheBag at February 11, 2013 05:13 PM (2T1u7)

135 On Sandler I just recognize I'm not his target audience. Don't need to make a deal with the devil to part an idiot from their money.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 11, 2013 05:14 PM (81UWZ)

136 Back when Saturday Night Live WAS funny SCTV kicked it's comedic ass.

Posted by: Keith at February 11, 2013 05:17 PM (tz6Mq)

137 Being servile lapdogs for the Party in Power isn't quite as fertile ground for comedy as lampooning the Party in Power.

Posted by: Beef at February 11, 2013 05:18 PM (mb1uj)

138


SCTV is still funny, and when you are baked out of your gourd, very good entertainment.

Old SNLs are hard to watch.


Posted by: Rev dr E buzz at February 11, 2013 05:22 PM (raGXo)

139 89 71 NBC is TASS. State propagandists, plain and simple.

It's worse, really...
TASS was owned and run by the Communist Party.
The people knew it.
They rolled their eyes at what was being spewed by TASS.

But what we have, with the likes of NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN is worse, because they masquerade as being 'independent'.
Posted by: wheatie at February 11, 2013 04:44 PM (w27/Q)


It is worse. TASS and Pravda told lies and spread propaganda for fear of being sent to the gulag. The modern American media does it willingly.

Posted by: rickl at February 11, 2013 05:22 PM (zoehZ)

140 Holy hell, the point of comedy is to be funny.

Will Durst is a fucking proto communist but at least he's got talent.

Posted by: 13times at February 11, 2013 05:23 PM (h6XiD)

141 Saturday Night Live has never been funny, as witless comedy is just silliness, and political snark isn't comedy at all. I didn't understand the adulation in 1975, and have been amused over the intervening decades to drop in on a broadcast and see no improvement. It's popularity is in keeping with the clueless zeitgeist.

Posted by: Brett at February 11, 2013 05:29 PM (dnVE1)

142 Saturday Night Live hasn't been funny since they stopped doing Celebrity Jeopardy with Sean Connery ripoffs:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTOCSpGwea8

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, VT at February 11, 2013 05:44 PM (jCQ+I)

143
Humor--and particularly satire--is by its nature conservative primarily because it pokes fun at and deflates the passing and faddish idiocies of the day. Leftist humor--such as it is--can only be snide and snarly, viz. the news bit on SNL which apart from its nastiness hardly rates a gigle. The above cut piece on Hagel passes of this bumbling idiot as one being offended by his inferiors and one woders why it is not funny?

Some of the comedians on SNLdisplay some talent, but until the program hires writers with a genuine sense of humor rather than a sense of misplaced superiority passing as the comedic, the show will remain second rate.

Posted by: Libra at February 11, 2013 06:53 PM (cMWZ+)

144 All together now: "SNL hasn't been funny since I was 25 years old. It hit its peak at the same time as the music I like from my youth and the movies I saw as a kid."

If you made an SNL all-star team, it would have cast members in almost every cast, even the crappy 80s casts. There's always something funny on it, and right now it has Hader, Sudeikis, and Kenan Thompson, who are all funny. It just lost Kirsten Wiig, who is the funniest female cast member they've ever had.

Posted by: Bang Out Of Order at February 11, 2013 06:57 PM (1H47k)

145 "Tina Fey is not funny, nor was she ever funny. Simply put, she is a very unfunny person, whoever put her in charge needs to be shot for doing something so stupid. She will never be funny. It's virtually literally impossible for her to be funny.'

I'd say you've been proven objectively wrong, after a thorough examination of her bank account. She didn't get that money by being beautiful or outrageous.





Posted by: Bang Out Of Order at February 11, 2013 07:01 PM (1H47k)

146 The only thing worse than Tina Fey as a comedienne is Tina Fey as the spokeslady for that shampoo... She is not funny and not a great beauty. Some "friend" of mine was just telling me the other day how funny she is. I didn't respond.

Posted by: Baldy at February 11, 2013 11:04 PM (opS9C)

147 1 <> frequent

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