Illinois: The Newest Constitutional Carry State?

In December of last year, a federal appeals court struck down a law that forbid citizens in Illinois from carrying a firearm. Check out this gif to get an idea of the evolution of concealed carry laws in the United States. Illinois is currently the only "no issue" state in the union.

So, what does this mean? Well, if the legislature doesn't move quickly to enact some type of concealed carry law, the state will default to "Constitutional carry" on June 10, 2013. Republicans are taking the position that if they don't get exactly what they want (some form of "shall issue"), then they're content to let the deadline pass. Democrats looking for some new restrictive gun control law don't have a leg to stand on.

Concealed carry “will be a ‘shall issue’ permit, there will be no discretion by some bureaucrat as to whether you get to exercise your right,” he said.

“It will be a statewide permit, there will be no carve-out for Chicago. There will be no carve-out for Cook County,” Vandermyde said.

State Rep. Brandon Phelps, D-Harrisburg, who has authored several concealed-carry laws during his time in Springfield, said the federal court ruling goes even further.

"The clock is still ticking. June 10 is the deadline," Phelps said. "We filed a bill, a lot of people didn't think we were going to because we don't have to. Constitutional carry will set-in if we don't do something."

If the deadline should pass, Illinois would become the fifth Constitutional carry state behind Vermont, Alaska, Wyoming and Arizona.

Meanwhile, in California: Democrats are pushing for new gun laws that would make Andrew Cuomo blush:

1. Ban all semi-automatic rifles that accept detachable magazines.
2. Ban possession of high-capacity magazines.
3. Ban “bullet button” conversion kits.
4. Bans shotgun-rifle combinations.
5. Universal registration of all guns.
6. Background checks on ammunition.
7. Regulating gun loans.
8. Prevent prohibited individuals from living in homes with guns.
9. Cracking down on people who can’t own guns legally but do anyway.
10. Required safety training for handgun owners.
I don't have to remind everyone what historically comes after universal registration, right?

Posted by: JohnE. at 11:58 AM



Comments

1 the president is a scoamf

Posted by: phoenixgirl at February 11, 2013 11:59 AM (GVxQo)

2 Democrats = Communists.

There's no other way to put it.

Posted by: © Sponge at February 11, 2013 11:59 AM (xmcEQ)

3 1 the president is a scoamf
Posted by: phoenixgirl at February 11, 2013 11:59 AM (GVxQo)

He is. But he's got a shit-load more power than we do. And he aims to keep it that way (hint-hint).

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 11, 2013 12:00 PM (XkWWK)

4 Cali needs their citizens especially unarmed. Its full on police state out there.

Posted by: Whatev at February 11, 2013 12:00 PM (A7Wh1)

5 An unarmed citizen is a peasant. That's what they want.

All power, all the time. After all, you're too stupid to live your life the way you see fit.

Posted by: © Sponge at February 11, 2013 12:00 PM (xmcEQ)

6 You don't have to remind me, but you might want to remind Barry what happened to gun grabbing brits here in america...

Posted by: sven10077 at February 11, 2013 12:01 PM (LRFds)

7 5 An unarmed citizen is a peasant. That's what they want.

All power, all the time. After all, you're too stupid to live your life the way you see fit.
Posted by: © Sponge at February 11, 2013 12:00 PM (xmcEQ)


At some point, "you're too stupid to live your life the way you see fit" evolves into you're too stupid to live."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 11, 2013 12:01 PM (XkWWK)

8 I live in NJ, and it is effectively a no-issue state.

It is impossible for a typical citizen to get a carry permit.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 11, 2013 12:02 PM (GsoHv)

9 Why on earth would they ban combo shotguns-rifles? Somebody in the legislature have a bad experience with a drilling?

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 11, 2013 12:02 PM (U3ERv)

10 In California, we see what Obamacrats do when their power is unchecked.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at February 11, 2013 12:03 PM (QXlbZ)

11 7 JJ Sefton,

Already happened comrade.....IPAB

Posted by: sven10077 at February 11, 2013 12:03 PM (LRFds)

12 Did he really say, "Oh noes! Constitutional carry will set in if we don't do something?" Something unconstitutional.

Posted by: t-bird at February 11, 2013 12:03 PM (FcR7P)

13 I guaran-damn-tee (Garand damned tee) that if they banned all firearms they would ban all 3-D printers soon afterwards.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 11, 2013 12:03 PM (XkWWK)

14 I'm going to bring this over from the last thread, since I think it applies here, too.

The marines who marched in Obama's inauguration parade this year? The bolts were removed from their rifles.

There's how much he respects "his guys."


It's all about disarming the people.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 11, 2013 12:04 PM (4df7R)

15 But not everyone will be forbidden from having guns in California.

Certainly, former cops can carry. No problem with that, right?

Posted by: AmishDude at February 11, 2013 12:04 PM (T0NGe)

16 At some point, "you're too stupid to live your life the way you see fit" evolves into you're too stupid to live."





Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 11, 2013 12:01 PM (XkWWK)


And, welcome in the OwebamaCare branch of the IRS and the "fictional" death panel that crazy woman kept droning on about...........

Posted by: © Sponge at February 11, 2013 12:04 PM (xmcEQ)

17 11 7 JJ Sefton,

Already happened comrade.....IPAB
Posted by: sven10077 at February 11, 2013 12:03 PM (LRFds)


I was thinking "Einsatzgruppen" but you are certainly correct.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 11, 2013 12:04 PM (XkWWK)

18 14 It's all about disarming the people.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 11, 2013 12:04 PM (4df7R)

And they said Bill Clinton had a disarming personality.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 11, 2013 12:05 PM (XkWWK)

19 Tiny Ballerina hardest hit.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 11, 2013 12:06 PM (+z4pE)

20 We need a .gif of Yosemite Sam cutting off California with a saw and it floating away into the pacific (like the Florida one).

Posted by: Nate in New Orleans at February 11, 2013 12:06 PM (lhX9P)

21 Cali needs their citizens especially unarmed. Its full on police state out there.
Posted by: Whatev at February 11, 2013 12:00 PM (A7Wh1)


Especially if you happen to vaguely resemble a burly black murderer with delusions of grandeur.

Or even if you happen to not resemble him at all, but the cops think you're maybe driving a truck kind of like his maybe.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 11, 2013 12:06 PM (4df7R)

22 And they said Bill Clinton had a disarming depantying personality.



Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 11, 2013 12:05 PM (XkWWK)


Corrected for accuracy.

Posted by: © Sponge at February 11, 2013 12:06 PM (xmcEQ)

23 "Meanwhile, in California: Democrats are pushing for new gun laws that would make Andrew Cuomo blush..."

And people wonder why I take an incorporationalist approach to the Bill of Rights.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at February 11, 2013 12:06 PM (YYJjz)

24 This in no way affects my intention to not relocate to California.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 11, 2013 12:06 PM (SY2Kh)

25 OT/

When The President is giving his State of the Union tomorrow night, you know what live event will be happening? The 2013 Westminster Kennel Club dog show. How perfect is that? Starting tonight, it concludes tomorrow evening with the Champion Awarded.

With the whole "Obama ate a dog, meme" I think this dog show 'counter-programming' has some potential for some fresh jokes.

Posted by: Serious Cat at February 11, 2013 12:06 PM (UypUQ)

26 Prevent prohibited individuals from living in homes with guns.

Your children or your guns...one of them has to be surrendered to the state.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 11, 2013 12:06 PM (/kI1Q)

27 When The President is giving his State of the Union tomorrow night, you know what live event will be happening? The 2013 Westminster Kennel Club dog show. How perfect is that? Starting tonight, it concludes tomorrow evening with the Champion Awarded.


I know what I'll be watching!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 11, 2013 12:07 PM (4df7R)

28 >>>I live in NJ, and it is effectively a no-issue state. It is impossible for a typical citizen to get a carry permit.

Yeah, many "may issue" states just devolve into de facto "no issue".

Posted by: JohnE. at February 11, 2013 12:07 PM (nRTou)

29 Guns are becoming the new cigarettes.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 11, 2013 12:08 PM (XkWWK)

30 We need to build the fence to keep these Marxists in California.

Posted by: garrett at February 11, 2013 12:08 PM (NHHNG)

31 Early OT, but just saw this. The story of what has happened to the SEAL who killed Bin Laden

http://bit.ly/X2z7aK

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 11, 2013 12:08 PM (piMMO)

32 When The President is giving his State of the Union tomorrow night, you know what live event will be happening? The 2013 Westminster Kennel Club dog show. How perfect is that? Starting tonight, it concludes tomorrow evening with the Champion Awarded.

The question is whether you want to see just one bitch, or several.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 11, 2013 12:08 PM (DrWcr)

33 Democrats = Communists.

There's no other way to put it.



I dispute your assertion.


Democrats = Bolshevists is an equally valid statement.

Posted by: fluffy at February 11, 2013 12:09 PM (z9HTb)

34 In CA. My little 10/22 that shoots. 22s will be banned but my Garand that shoots 30.06 will not be banned.
Morons.

Posted by: Max Entropy at February 11, 2013 12:09 PM (Ac+vK)

35 The founding fathers didn't put the right to bear arms in the Constitution for self protection, you dumbasses. It was to protect the newly formed society FROM YOU, tyrants.

Posted by: © Sponge at February 11, 2013 12:09 PM (xmcEQ)

36 My MSNBC-addled father has been ranting about the evils of 3-D printers and their ability to be used to make guns, lately. As an enthusiastic Obama supporter, he wants 3-D printers banned or regulated somehow. The guy's gone off the deep end. Shame, really.

13
I guaran-damn-tee (Garand damned tee) that if they banned all firearms they would ban all 3-D printers soon afterwards.





Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 11, 2013 12:03 PM (XkWWK)

Posted by: Pyrocles at February 11, 2013 12:09 PM (cv5Iw)

37 26 Ms Radish,

Quite. They have big plans. Not benign either.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 11, 2013 12:09 PM (LRFds)

38 8. Prevent prohibited individuals from living in homes with guns.

So that means Schizophrenic Johnny can't live in his parents' home because he was committed to an institution in his early twenties, but he's been living at home so his parents can make sure he has his medication. So they can either give up their guns or they can send their son to live in an institution again, or just cut him loose.

Classy.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 11, 2013 12:09 PM (4df7R)

39 Why on earth would they ban combo shotguns-rifles? Somebody in the legislature have a bad experience with a drilling?

It doesn't make any sense. Most rifle / shotgun combos are over/under double barreled long guns. One shot of each barrel before reloading- about the last weapon a criminal would use to rob a liquor store if he had a choice.

My best guess is that maybe they're referring to guns like the Taurus Judge that can shoot .45LC or .410? Not that it would make any more sense.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 11, 2013 12:10 PM (SY2Kh)

40 What are Bullet Button conversion kits? And what is a shotgun/rifle combination?

Posted by: Ben at February 11, 2013 12:10 PM (C2Y4l)

41 Regarding California's proposed laws--the Supreme Court, and the judiciary in general, still has a historical legacy (last half century) of only vigorously protecting things Progressives like. We will see, in this decade, whether what is good for the goose is good for the gander.

Posted by: E. at February 11, 2013 12:11 PM (0CfOQ)

42 Not that it would make any more sense.


***

None of it makes any sense.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 11, 2013 12:11 PM (piMMO)

43 Democrats = Bolshevists is an equally valid statement.


Posted by: fluffy at February 11, 2013 12:09 PM (z9HTb)


I stand corrected.

However, they don't "exist" anymore in party.

Posted by: © Sponge at February 11, 2013 12:11 PM (xmcEQ)

44 I submit #8 has got issues, as it prevents right of free association.

Posted by: E. at February 11, 2013 12:12 PM (0CfOQ)

45
The marines who marched in Obama's inauguration parade this year? The bolts were removed from their rifles.

There's how much he respects "his guys."


And I too will replay my comment.

He learned well from Anwar Sadat.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 11, 2013 12:12 PM (l86i3)

46 Infringes, not prevents. Also, the ability of man and wife to live together without assuming the least common denominator of legal status is a right reserved to the people, being historical in nature.

Posted by: E. at February 11, 2013 12:12 PM (0CfOQ)

47 I was waiting for my youngest to graduate. I will move before I disarm. FYNQ.

It is the perfect storm of stupid. Government is killing Calif.

We have natural resources, great weather, ocean access, river systems, etc, and people, and businesses are leaving this state for someplace better?

Vote for me as supreme leader.

Posted by: nip at February 11, 2013 12:13 PM (11Tdq)

48
In CA. My little 10/22 that shoots. 22s will be banned but my Garand that shoots 30.06 will not be banned.
Morons.
Posted by: Max Entropy

I loved that Feinstein's bill bans the Mini-14 tactical for having a folding+collapsable stock but it's big brother, the Mini-30 is not. Lets see, .223 from a folded (and HIGHLY INACCURATE) 14 is dangerous but .308 from the more accurate 30 is not!

Posted by: wheelmanforhire at February 11, 2013 12:14 PM (l8nIR)

49 Didn't John Kerry once say that socialism fails because they "don't do it right" or something like that?

Democrats think they're SMARTER than the communists before them and they'll do it BETTER this time.

Posted by: © Sponge at February 11, 2013 12:15 PM (xmcEQ)

50 20 We need a .gif of Yosemite Sam cutting off California with a saw and it floating away into the pacific (like the Florida one).

---

That's Bugs Bunny, not Sam, but you're on the right track.

As far as guns in California go, how about either banning the LAPD from having guns? Those fuckers can't hit the broad side of a barn and look to have unloaded two clips each into that pickup truck.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 11, 2013 12:15 PM (e0xKF)

51 Will the hispanics get to keep their forks and knives?

Posted by: BroncoBama at February 11, 2013 12:15 PM (NHHNG)

52 What are Bullet Button conversion kits? And what is a shotgun/rifle combination?

It's a conversion kit that replaces the magazine release, requiring use of a "tool" (the bullet of an unfired round) to press the release instead of being able to just press it with a finger.

That the gun would need use of a tool to detach the magazine skirts their "assault weapon" ban law.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 11, 2013 12:15 PM (SY2Kh)

53 > Government is killing Calif.

Stupid is killing California

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 11, 2013 12:16 PM (8sCoq)

54 I am curious in the numbers that will happen. If IL goes constitutional carry, how much will violent crime fall and how will they spin it?

Posted by: wheelmanforhire at February 11, 2013 12:16 PM (l8nIR)

55 8. Prevent prohibited individuals from living in homes with guns.

And not just Schizo J. It'll be more than that.

Posted by: eleven at February 11, 2013 12:16 PM (KXm42)

56 It's a conversion kit that replaces the magazine release, requiring use
of a "tool" (the bullet of an unfired round) to press the release
instead of being able to just press it with a finger.


That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of.

Posted by: EC at February 11, 2013 12:16 PM (GQ8sn)

57 I loved that Feinstein's bill bans the Mini-14 tactical for having a folding+collapsable stock but it's big brother, the Mini-30 is not. Lets see, .223 from a folded (and HIGHLY INACCURATE) 14 is dangerous but .308 from the more accurate 30 is not!
Posted by: wheelmanforhire at February 11, 2013 12:14 PM (l8nIR)


I don't think thats the point. If they can outlaw anything, something they will have set a precedence that sets the table for even more banning and eventually confiscation.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 11, 2013 12:16 PM (l86i3)

58 Will the hispanics get to keep their forks and knives?

***

Sporks only!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 11, 2013 12:16 PM (piMMO)

59 54 I am curious in the numbers that will happen. If IL goes constitutional carry, how much will violent crime fall and how will they spin it?

---

"Ballerina Boy's War On Crime In Chi-Town Succeeds!"

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 11, 2013 12:17 PM (e0xKF)

60 Hello morons,

Could someone explain to the dude who only owns a shotgun what a "Constitutional Carry" state is?
Does that just mean absent a law you get defacto conceal and carry? And if so, isn't every state without "Shall Issue" permits just a lawsuit away from being Constitutional Carry.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 11, 2013 12:17 PM (oG3dE)

61 Don't give up your guns, boys

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 11, 2013 12:17 PM (8sCoq)

62 Didn't John Kerry once say that socialism fails because they "don't do it right" or something like that?
Democrats think they're SMARTER than the communists before them and they'll do it BETTER this time.
Posted by: © Sponge at February 11, 2013 12:15 PM (xmcEQ)


That's the only reason they keep trying. It's been proven a failure EVERY FUCKING TIME, but by golly, THIS group of regressives are so much smarter and so much more EARNEST than the last group that tried it. It's sure to work THIS time, because the people pushing it really believe.

It's like they're operating from a copy of The Communist Manifesto that's been integrated with the script from Disney's Peter Pan. Just clap your hands, everyone!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 11, 2013 12:17 PM (4df7R)

63 I loved that Feinstein's bill bans the Mini-14 tactical for having a
folding+collapsable stock but it's big brother, the Mini-30 is not. Lets
see, .223 from a folded (and HIGHLY INACCURATE) 14 is dangerous but
.308 from the more accurate 30 is not!


The Mini-30 fires 7.62x39 (AK-47 round), not .308 Win / 7.62 NATO / 7.62x51.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 11, 2013 12:18 PM (SY2Kh)

64 Discovered Gander Mountain today. Hadn't been in there new store till this AM. I whole SKID of bulk pack .45ACP sitting out on the floor. It's the mother load.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 11, 2013 12:18 PM (4Mv1T)

65
> Government is killing Calif.

Stupid is killing California

***

But we get free shit.

Posted by: California Free Shit Army at February 11, 2013 12:18 PM (Hx5uv)

66 Look now,
You've still got Bananas, Passionfruit,oranges, apples, grapefruit (whole and segmented), pomegranates, greengages, grapes, lemons, plums, mangoes in syrup, and cherries (red and black).
So you remain an armed and dangerous citizens. I mean California is just full of fruits from all i've 'eard.

Posted by: Self Defense instructor at February 11, 2013 12:18 PM (SO2Q8)

67 I'm sure all 10 of these items will be strictly followed by both the Crips and the Bloods. Right?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 11, 2013 12:18 PM (HDgX3)

68 "A", not "I". Spellcheck indeed.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 11, 2013 12:19 PM (4Mv1T)

69
Government is killing Calif.

Stupid is killing California



California:What's wrong with America.

Posted by: garrett at February 11, 2013 12:19 PM (NHHNG)

70 I was thinking about Texassecession and just the administrative mess it would cause changinigfrom 50 states to 49 states.

My proposal would be to let Texas secede and Puerto Rico become a state. No mess changing the stars in the flag. Like nothing is different. Who's with me?

Posted by: polynikes at February 11, 2013 12:19 PM (m2CN7)

71 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 11, 2013 12:19 PM (8y9MW)

72 I don't have to remind everyone what historically comes after universal registration, right?

Cattle cars and camps.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at February 11, 2013 12:19 PM (fwARV)

73 A bullet button kit is how you convert your "permanently attached" magazine into one that is removable. Push the recessed button with a bullet and it magically pops out.


Posted by: Fritz at February 11, 2013 12:19 PM (WM+rJ)

74 I'm sure all 10 of these items will be strictly followed by both the Crips and the Bloods. Right?
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 11, 2013 12:18 PM (HDgX3)

Gang activity is illegal, ergo there are no Crips or Bloods. QED.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 11, 2013 12:19 PM (DrWcr)

75 Who knew $ 8,000.00 shotgun rifle combos were the weapon of choice for liquor store holdups ?

Posted by: awkward davies at February 11, 2013 12:20 PM (USjX1)

76 Suggestions for the Republican legislators in Illinois:

Demand a law allowing Militia carry, and sale of M-16 lowers to CCW holders.

Posted by: Kristophr at February 11, 2013 12:20 PM (wYVte)

77 The bolts were removed from their rifles.

There's how much he respects "his guys."


"His guys" are the TSA. A parade of unkempt, armed yo-yos would have been so much more appropriate.

Posted by: t-bird at February 11, 2013 12:20 PM (FcR7P)

78 Gang activity is illegal, ergo there are no Crips or Bloods. QED.
Posted by: Insomniac at February 11, 2013 12:19 PM (DrWcr)


Exactly.

And we've always been at war with Eastasia.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 11, 2013 12:20 PM (4df7R)

79 My MSNBC-addled father has been ranting about the evils of 3-D printers
and their ability to be used to make guns, lately. As an enthusiastic
Obama supporter, he wants 3-D printers banned or regulated somehow. The
guy's gone off the deep end. Shame, really.

13

I guaran-damn-tee (Garand damned tee) that if they banned all firearms they would ban all 3-D printers soon afterwards.


***

And constitutional amendments. Them fuckers got to go.

Posted by: California Free Shit Army at February 11, 2013 12:20 PM (Hx5uv)

80 State Rep. Brandon Phelps, D-Harrisburg

Yep. He's mine. Democrats, down here, are nothing like the floating turds up in Cesscago. Still won't vote for him though.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at February 11, 2013 12:20 PM (zSvSG)

81 54
I am curious in the numbers that will happen. If IL goes constitutional
carry, how much will violent crime fall and how will they spin it?

Posted by: wheelmanforhire at February 11, 2013 12:16 PM (l8nIR)


____________
No matter what happens...
1. Bush will be blamed
2. Obama will be praised

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 11, 2013 12:20 PM (HDgX3)

82
External mags cannot be detachable without a special tool. These kits get around this ignorant law by letting you detach a mag with the bullet end of a cartridge.

What this IL law is saying is exactly the core of this issue: States are nullifying a constitutional right to bear arms. Period. The state cc laws are in my opinion also unconstitutional. If ex cons can vote, they should be able to carry. If he is not safe for society, then don't let him out!

Posted by: Cicero Kid at February 11, 2013 12:20 PM (+iUsQ)

83 Right. Wisconsin couldn't get Constitutional Carry with one of the most conservative governors in the nation and the EEEEVUL Fitzgerald brothers controlling the Legislature, but Illinois is going to pull it off.

Not to mention that if you suggest Constitutional Carry to the NRA, their eyes glaze over. Pantywaists.

Posted by: MadisonConservative at February 11, 2013 12:20 PM (Y/HG5)

84 Okay, someone put me some F'in knowledge. Is "Constitutional Carry" mean full, free, open carry? 'Cause that would be cool.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 11, 2013 12:20 PM (8y9MW)

85 Gang activity is illegal, ergo there are no Crips or Bloods. QED.

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Se

Posted by: MS-13 at February 11, 2013 12:21 PM (piMMO)

86 So they can either give up their guns or they can send their son to live in an institution again, or just cut him loose.

I believe the progg response is that's what they get for allowing their imperfect child be born rather than stab him in the skull with a scissors, or dehydrating him to death after his disability was discovered.

And now I have to go bury myself in a spreadsheet, because I'm starting to scare myself.


But seriously; given that children under 18 (21?) are not allowed to purchase/carry firearms, the whole point of #8 is to disarm everyone with kids at home.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 11, 2013 12:21 PM (/kI1Q)

87 The leaders of the Crips and Bloods probably wrote the damn thing.

Posted by: eleven at February 11, 2013 12:21 PM (KXm42)

88 What's one more law? Amirite?

Posted by: Millions of CA Illegals at February 11, 2013 12:21 PM (FcR7P)

89 Funny, I gave my .22/410 shotgun rifle to my nephew to shoot small game. Breech load, one shot each. Who knew how devastating it could be? Shoulda' kept it.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 11, 2013 12:21 PM (4Mv1T)

90 >>>Okay, someone put me some F'in knowledge. Is "Constitutional Carry" mean full, free, open carry? 'Cause that would be cool.

Essentially, yeah. No (or very little) restrictions. No license required, etc.

Posted by: JohnE. at February 11, 2013 12:22 PM (nRTou)

91 >>>Is "Constitutional Carry" mean full, free, open carry?

NC is an open carry state, although many municipalities forbid it.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 11, 2013 12:23 PM (4Mv1T)

92 That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of.

It's rather ingenious, actually.

Since CA law specifies that a (banned) "assault weapon" has a detachable magazine which is further defined as a magazine that can be removed without use of tools, a bullet button conversion makes what would otherwise be a banned "assault weapon" legal.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 11, 2013 12:23 PM (SY2Kh)

93 But not everyone will be forbidden from having guns in California.

Certainly, former cops can carry.


Exceptions for exceptional people, we always say...

Posted by: Hollywood at February 11, 2013 12:23 PM (FcR7P)

94 When The President is giving his State of the Union tomorrow night, you know what live event will be happening? The 2013 Westminster Kennel Club dog show. How perfect is that? Starting tonight, it concludes tomorrow evening with the Champion Awarded.

***

So Michelle won't win Best of Show this year.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 11, 2013 12:23 PM (Hx5uv)

95 84 Okay, someone put me some F'in knowledge. Is "Constitutional Carry" mean full, free, open carry? 'Cause that would be cool.
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I'm pretty sure it means that you can openly carry a copy of the constitution without being taken off to the camps...

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at February 11, 2013 12:23 PM (SO2Q8)

96 This idiot state is already trying to ban every kind of gun available. That cretin Quinn and the Dem machine in Springfield will block it.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 11, 2013 12:24 PM (1Jaio)

97 When crime finally starts dropping in Chicago, I'm going fora pudding dip. I might mail Rahm Emmanuel the empty cup.

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at February 11, 2013 12:24 PM (Rwrs+)

98 Bloods and Crips exempted, of course.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 11, 2013 12:24 PM (/kI1Q)

99 When The President is giving his State of the Union tomorrow night, you
know what live event will be happening? The 2013 Westminster Kennel Club
dog show. How perfect is that? Starting tonight, it concludes tomorrow
evening with the Champion Awarded.

***

So Michelle won't win Best of Show this year.


But she isn't risking Presidential canabalism by running.

Posted by: Kristophr at February 11, 2013 12:24 PM (wYVte)

100 Bloods and Crips exempted, of course.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 11, 2013 12:24 PM (/kI1Q)

Naturally. To do otherwise would be racist.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 11, 2013 12:24 PM (DrWcr)

101 Fuck there's a Gander Mountain store near my home Harley-Davidson dealer


waHOOOO I'll be going over there this week to check out what they have

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 11, 2013 12:25 PM (8sCoq)

102 My dad used to have one of those Savage's with a .22mag upper and a 20 gauge lower barrel . Piece of shit .
I don't even know who has it now .
Don't care either .

Posted by: awkward davies at February 11, 2013 12:25 PM (USjX1)

103 MS-13 supports the bill 100%

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 11, 2013 12:25 PM (HDgX3)

104 But she isn't risking Presidential canabalism by running.
Posted by: Kristophr at February 11, 2013 12:24 PM (wYVte)


Yeah, like he would ever eat that.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 11, 2013 12:25 PM (l86i3)

105
The leaders of the Crips and Bloods probably wrote the damn thing.

***

Well, the MSNBSerial Killer thinks gun control is a swell idea.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 11, 2013 12:25 PM (Hx5uv)

106 But she isn't risking Presidential canabalism by running.
Posted by: Kristophr at February 11, 2013 12:24 PM (wYVte)

I don't think you have to worry about Bammy eating Moochelle, IYKWIMAITYD.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 11, 2013 12:25 PM (DrWcr)

107 Exceptions for exceptional people, we always say...
Posted by: Hollywood at February 11, 2013 12:23 PM (FcR7P)


AKA, "Everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others."

I really think I should buy my parents a copy of "1984" and "Animal Farm." Then they'd understand what I mean when I say we're living them both in real time. They believe it, they've just never read the books to be able to really understand how true it is.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 11, 2013 12:25 PM (4df7R)

108 >>>Right. Wisconsin couldn't get Constitutional Carry with one of the most conservative governors in the nation and the EEEEVUL Fitzgerald brothers controlling the Legislature, but Illinois is going to pull it off.

Perhaps you should read the article. Inaction results in Constitutional carry this time.

Posted by: JohnE. at February 11, 2013 12:26 PM (nRTou)

109 MOLON LABE

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 11, 2013 12:26 PM (7ObY1)

110 >I'm pretty sure it means that you can openly carry a copy of the constitution without being taken off to the camps...

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at February 11, 2013 12:23 PM (SO2Q

Hulk laff!
Yeah, that sounds like America under the current regime

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 11, 2013 12:26 PM (8sCoq)

111 Please people, we have a 3 card Monty dealer in charge!!!
They will never take the guns , but they will destroy the country through Amnesty for 20 and then 50 million more Illegals , the mutt already side stepped a spinless congress to sign the dream act..

Posted by: Clemenza at February 11, 2013 12:26 PM (Q8Pu5)

112 On the bright side, at least we know the LAPD supports both the 1st and 2nd amendments.

Spray and pray.

Posted by: Fritz at February 11, 2013 12:26 PM (WM+rJ)

113 MOLON LABE
Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 11, 2013 12:26 PM (7ObY1)

And Moron Labias to you too.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 11, 2013 12:27 PM (l86i3)

114 When crime finally starts dropping in Chicago, I'm going fora pudding dip. I might mail Rahm Emmanuel the empty cup.
Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at February 11, 2013 12:24 PM (Rwrs+)


The empty cup? Pshaw! Reseal the cup with its original lid and send it to him as if it were unopened. "Pudding in celebration! Mangia!"

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 11, 2013 12:27 PM (4df7R)

115 Jones- It was unbelievable. Long guns covering probably a 100-150 feet of wall racks, or more. Cases full of new and used guns. Ammo freakin' everywhere.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 11, 2013 12:27 PM (4Mv1T)

116 TheQuietMan: Shoe is on the other foot here.

They need the Republicans to vote in any kind of legislation. If they just filibuster, Downstate Illinois goes to Constitutional carry, and Cook County and Chicago get one new 2nd Amendment lawsuit after another.

Posted by: Kristophr at February 11, 2013 12:27 PM (wYVte)

117 MS-13 supports the bill 100%

***

Se

Posted by: MS-13 at February 11, 2013 12:27 PM (piMMO)

118 My proposal would be to let Texas secede and Puerto Rico become a state. No mess changing the stars in the flag. Like nothing is different. Who's with me?

---

No thanks.

If Texas is leaving, expect some company on the way out.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 11, 2013 12:27 PM (e0xKF)

119 Here's what comes to mind. Last week, I finished reading "Under and Alone," by Bill Queen, the ATF agent that went undercover and became one of the Mongols in the San Bernadino Valley area. After reading it, it's quite apparent that the outlaws will continue to get all the weaponry they want illegally. The sitting duck unarmed populace will be the ones who suffer....greatly.

Posted by: Lady in Black at February 11, 2013 12:29 PM (ATdet)

120
If Texas is leaving, expect some company on the way out.

----

Yup---- like just about every state East of the Rockies and West of the Misssissppi

Posted by: fixerupper at February 11, 2013 12:29 PM (nELVU)

121 >Jones- It was unbelievable. Long guns covering
probably a 100-150 feet of wall racks, or more. Cases full of new and
used guns. Ammo freakin' everywhere.



Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 11, 2013 12:27 PM (4Mv1T)

I'm going to visit the Thornton store this week
need 9mm, .40SW, .38spl

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 11, 2013 12:29 PM (8sCoq)

122
Democrats looking for some new restrictive gun control law don't have a leg to stand on.

That sentence makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. You just know that infuriates them to no end that the default is Freedom.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 11, 2013 12:30 PM (+z4pE)

123 I'm pretty sure it means that you can openly carry a copy of the constitution without being taken off to the camps...

Yeah, you can carry your little book for now....

Posted by: Piers Morgan at February 11, 2013 12:31 PM (NF2Bf)

124 I can't believe what a stupid I am, taking my brand-new XD40 out for a boat ride over the weekend. Who could have known conditions would generate a 20' rogue wave on that little mountain lake?

As an AZ resident, I hope that our state continues to tell the feds to go to hell.

Posted by: jakeman, Assault V2.0 at February 11, 2013 12:31 PM (96M6e)

125 My proposal would be to let Texas secede and Puerto Rico become a state.
No mess changing the stars in the flag. Like nothing is different.
Who's with me?


---


No thanks.



If Texas is leaving, expect some company on the way out.


Make the blue states secede from us. And partition them so they only take blue counties with them.

Then declare war on them for human rights violations, and nuke them.

Posted by: Kristophr at February 11, 2013 12:31 PM (wYVte)

126 OT but too amusing to ignore. Linked on the Blaze, CNN anchorette Deb Feyerick asks Bill Nye the Science Guy whether the impending asteroid was caused by global warming.

Hey, man, you don't talk to SMOD. You listen to him. The man's
enlarged my mind. He's a poet warrior in the classic sense. I mean
sometimes he'll... uh... well, you'll say "hello" to him, right? And
he'll just walk right by you. He won't even notice you. And suddenly
he'll grab you, and he'll throw you in a corner, and he'll say, "Do you
know that 'if' is the middle word in life? If you can keep your head
when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you, if you can
trust yourself when all men doubt you"... I mean I'm... no, I can't...
I'm a little man, I'm a little man, he's... he's a great man! I should
have been a pair of ragged claws scuttling across floors of silent
seas...

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 11, 2013 12:31 PM (Hx5uv)

127 61 Don't give up your guns, boys

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 11, 2013 12:17 PM (8sCoq)


I got an NRA alert encouraging everyone to attend the "discussions" in Denver (Wednesday, I think).
Colorado is desperately trying to follow California's lead.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 11, 2013 12:32 PM (Qxe/p)

128 I don't have to remind everyone what historically comes after universal registration, right?

We get to wear nifty colored badges?

Posted by: Penfold at February 11, 2013 12:32 PM (Fbt5B)

129 We get to wear nifty colored badges?
Posted by: Penfold at February 11, 2013 12:32 PM (Fbt5B)
I'm thinkin Tatoos.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 11, 2013 12:32 PM (l86i3)

130 I don't have to remind everyone what historically comes after universal registration, right?

Say it with me now: "Molon Labe."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 11, 2013 12:33 PM (8y9MW)

131 I just wish that once, just once someone would say, "Why do we need a new law, what will it prevent? Nothing. "

A law does not prevent ANYTHING!

Suppose I was to pick a person at random to murder tomorrow. What law will prevent me from doing that?

No law.

Think about it: There is and never will be a law to prevent murder. The only thing that stops me from murdering you is 1) me, as I wish to avoid the consequences both temporally and eternally, and 2) you, but only if you are forewarned and prepared.

That's it.

But, if I have no regard for the consequences, where are your laws now, eh?

Take comfort of this, fellow citizen: The modern liberal state will and does eliminate both #1 and #2. The second as they disarm the law-abiding and the first as they always excuse the criminal.

When you give your life to the state, don't think the state will give anything for yours.

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 11, 2013 12:33 PM (VjL9S)

132 We get to wear nifty colored badges?
Posted by: Penfold at February 11, 2013 12:32 PM (Fbt5B)

Yellow ones that say "juden" on them. "Juden" means "gun-owner" in Austrian.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 11, 2013 12:33 PM (DrWcr)

133
What are Bullet Button conversion kits?

Posted by: Ben at February 11, 2013 12:10 PM (C2Y4l)





It's the magazine lock that we have to swap for the normal magazine release button in order to have AR15s in my beloved Clownifornia.

Except that there was an existing CA push to ban a "bullet button tool" which had a magnet attached, which would allow one to quickly render a bullet button into a regular mag release. Us CA gunnies have been railing against the asshole who came up with the idea and shamelessly (and deceptively) marketing it at gun shows. He was basically doing the wink-wink thing while glossing over the fact that use of his product in-state was an instant felony.

It's not certain which device the proposed law would ban.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 11, 2013 12:33 PM (TIIx5)

134 If you volunteer for your thoughtcrime tattoo early, you can get a vanity number!

Posted by: Kristophr at February 11, 2013 12:33 PM (wYVte)

135 >>>I'm going to visit the Thornton store this week
need 9mm, .40SW, .38spl


I deliberately picked up the heavy-ass case of ammo I wanted right then so I would just pay and leave. I could've easily melted my credit card there in minutes if I didn't get the hell out.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 11, 2013 12:33 PM (4Mv1T)

136 Shotgun/rifle combo. Perhaps the mean the AR-15 with pump shotgun combo?

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 11, 2013 12:34 PM (uhftQ)

137 "I don't have to remind everyone what historically comes after universal registration, right?"

Like I always say, scratch a reactionary leftist, find the fascist writhing underneath.

Posted by: TANSTAAFL at February 11, 2013 12:34 PM (tqAT4)

138 We get to wear nifty colored badges?
Posted by: Penfold at February 11, 2013 12:32 PM (Fbt5B)


What would be a suitable gun-owner badge? I'm thinking a blood-red bullet, to alert the world to our horrible crime of believing in self-defense from a tyrannical State.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 11, 2013 12:34 PM (4df7R)

139 I want my arm tattoo to say "NOT SURE" and my forehead one to say "POOR IMPULSE CONTROL."

Posted by: jakeman, Assault V2.0 at February 11, 2013 12:34 PM (96M6e)

140 @ 127 will not happen, Gun Grab will not work they tried it with the drug cartels in Mehico....You git too many thorny old mad white people...over 50...and full of piss and vinegar.

Posted by: Clemenza at February 11, 2013 12:34 PM (Q8Pu5)

141 "There will be no carve-out for Cook County..."

Well, start documenting the incidence of gun crime pretty carefully, because there will be a sudden increase in gun violence coverage in the media once this change occurs, in an attempt to show it was caused by concealed carry.

The Demedia Party will be in a panic over the possibility that gun crim will go DOWN, and they ain't gonna let that happen, or at least they ain't gonna let you know if it does.

Posted by: sherlock at February 11, 2013 12:35 PM (81ia8)

142 Shotgun/rifle combo. Perhaps the mean the AR-15 with pump shotgun combo?
Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 11, 2013 12:34 PM (uhftQ)

Good firepower but too heavy.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 11, 2013 12:35 PM (l86i3)

143 >Colorado is desperately trying to follow California's lead.


Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 11, 2013 12:32 PM (Qxe/p)


Sadly, Columbine and Aurora make for a lot of bloody shirts for the gun-grabbers to wave
I will never disarm or submit

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 11, 2013 12:35 PM (8sCoq)

144 Colorado is desperately trying to follow California's lead.


Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 11, 2013 12:32 PM (Qxe/p)

----
Only re-enforces my locust liberal theory.
They make such a mess of shitting all over where they live until living there is intolerable. Then they move to somewhere else only to repeat their previous errors.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 11, 2013 12:35 PM (nELVU)

145 What would be a suitable gun-owner badge? I'm thinking a blood-red
bullet, to alert the world to our horrible crime of believing in
self-defense from a tyrannical State.



No, it'll be a badge in the shape of a target that we have to wear on our front/back.

Posted by: EC at February 11, 2013 12:35 PM (GQ8sn)

146 Going to have to think about moving up to Cheyenne WY

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 11, 2013 12:36 PM (8sCoq)

147 Kalifornia likes themselves some internment camps. Historically speaking.

Posted by: Roy at February 11, 2013 12:36 PM (VndSC)

148 Posted by: fixerupper at February 11, 2013 12:35 PM (nELVU)

Oh yeah, the New Yorkers, New Jersyites and New englanders here in NC, are steady trying to FK up a good thing.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 11, 2013 12:37 PM (l86i3)

149 Only re-enforces my locust liberal theory.They make such a mess of shitting all over where they live until living there is intolerable. Then they move to somewhere else only to repeat their previous errors.
Posted by: fixerupper at February 11, 2013 12:35 PM (nELVU)


And good luck trying to clean out the rot they leave behind. You have to raze the house andburn the crops and leave the fields empty until you can afford to buy proper seed again.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 11, 2013 12:37 PM (4df7R)

150 95 Buzzsaw 90,

Yeah pretty much...Uncle Jan Neopolitino says that knowledge of the Cobstitution is an indication you're a domestic terrorist.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 11, 2013 12:37 PM (LRFds)

151 MO by the way apparently wants to open a special court docket for "gun related offenses."

I'm perplexed by this. They claim people aren't getting harsh enough punishments when they use a gun to commit a crime or something. The news report wasn't too clear.

I was confused, because they compared a case of armed robbery to a case of someone being shot (assault or attempted murder) which, as I understand carry differing penalties because their different crimes. For whatever reason we tend to treat taking someone's stuff as a lesser crime that actually injuring the person. So I'm not sure how a special docket will fix this.
Factor in sentencing guidelines and...well....I mean how is this going to work? Unless their going to throw out the book and just use a new one.

The only other thing I was thinking was maybe the news story is confused and they want a docket dealing with "unlawful ownership" specifically. In which case we're back at "enforcing the laws we have."

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 11, 2013 12:38 PM (oG3dE)

152 Oh yeah, the New Yorkers, New Jersyites and New englanders here in NC, are steady trying to FK up a good thing.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 11, 2013 12:37 PM (l86i3)


I would not be averse to nuking my fellow New Englanders. I would just appreciate a warning so I can GTHO before the bombs fall.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 11, 2013 12:38 PM (4df7R)

153 147-FDR was a mean Republican, plus Reagan was Governor in WW2. Google it.

Posted by: nip at February 11, 2013 12:38 PM (11Tdq)

154 @ 147 yeah but they have good fishing in the Owens valley..

Posted by: Clemenza at February 11, 2013 12:38 PM (Q8Pu5)

155 @108 I'm well aware, and I don't care. This is Illinois. They care about the law as much as they care about their citizens' rights to defend themselves. They'll do anything and everything to keep them disarmed.

Posted by: MadisonConservative at February 11, 2013 12:38 PM (Y/HG5)

156 for one year, all of 1959, the flag of the USA had 49 stars


seven rows of seven stars--it was a beautiful flag. Then Hawaii came in and f*cked it up

Posted by: DOA in Scrambletown, FLA at February 11, 2013 12:38 PM (Dll6b)

157 If Texas is leaving, expect some company on the way out.----Yup---- like just about every state East of the Rockies and West of the Misssissppi
Posted by: fixerupper at February 11, 2013 12:29 PM (nELVU)

The libs would agree to getting rid of evil Texans in favor of getting enlightened minorities but you guys are harshing my plan.

Posted by: polynikes at February 11, 2013 12:38 PM (m2CN7)

158 Going to have to think about moving up to Cheyenne WY

The WY legislature is currently discussing a bill to forbid federal firearms siezures.

I'll be at the Republican Lincoln day dinner in Cheyenne this week as a Republican precinct person, pimping my notion about making CCW holders officially state militiamen.

This will not only get them out from under the federal thumb, but will make it legal to issue them m-4 lowers later.

Posted by: Kristophr at February 11, 2013 12:40 PM (wYVte)

159 seven rows of seven stars--it was a beautiful flag. Then Hawaii came in and f*cked it up
Posted by: DOA in Scrambletown, FLA at February 11, 2013 12:38 PM (Dll6b)


If only they'd waited ten, even five more years, our Precious Leader couldn't claim he was born in this country. He'd have to lie about being born in another state.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 11, 2013 12:40 PM (4df7R)

160 The California "shotgun-rifle" ban seems to be aimed at the ridiculous Taraus Judge style weapons, which can shoot either .45 pistol ammo or .410 shotshells.

The Judge is marketed to mouth-breathing retards, and the marketing campaign seems to have unintentionally sucked in politicians as well.

Posted by: Ernst Blofeld at February 11, 2013 12:40 PM (XZWie)

161 @108 Here's what Illinois does to gun owners:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-h8ABKRyxg

Confiscation of hundreds of weapons from someone who REPORTED a crime, in one of the most dangerous cities in the state, as well as the nation. These fascist shitheels don't even understand the concept of individual rights.

Posted by: MadisonConservative at February 11, 2013 12:40 PM (Y/HG5)

162 FDR was a mean Republican, plus Reagan was Governor in WW2. Google it.

***

Someone wrote into the local paper discussing her recent conversation with a couple of high school graduates. She learned that each state has its own president and vice president and FDR freed the slaves to create jobs.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 11, 2013 12:40 PM (Hx5uv)

163 I live in NJ, and it is effectively a no-issue state.

It is impossible for a typical citizen to get a carry permit.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 11, 2013 12:02 PM


Thats what I was thinking. I also hear that technically we are a class 3 state, but who knows. I mean, this from the state where a judge once said "the constitution means nothing here, I am the law".

Posted by: Berserker at February 11, 2013 12:40 PM (FMbng)

164 I mean, this from the state where a judge once said "the constitution means nothing here, I am the law".
Posted by: Berserker at February 11, 2013 12:40 PM (FMbng)

Was his name Dredd, perchance?

Posted by: Insomniac at February 11, 2013 12:41 PM (DrWcr)

165 >>>Oh yeah, the New Yorkers, New Jersyites and New englanders here in NC, are steady trying to FK up a good thing.

Remember the marriage vote last year? All NC metropolitan area counties voted blue, all other counties, and I mean ALL others, voted red. Those fine folks from the north did not move to the sticks, they moved to town.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 11, 2013 12:42 PM (4Mv1T)

166 She learned that each state has its own president and vice president and FDR freed the slaves to create jobs.
Posted by: WalrusRex at February 11, 2013 12:40 PM (Hx5uv)

*facepalm*

Posted by: Insomniac at February 11, 2013 12:42 PM (DrWcr)

167 Proposed anti-gun legislation in CO:


ban mags over 10 rounds
repeal the right to carry on university and college campii
charge a fee for background check
CRIMINALIZE private sale

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 11, 2013 12:42 PM (8sCoq)

168 Someone wrote into the local paper discussing her recent conversation with a couple of high school graduates. She learned that each state has its own president and vice president and FDR freed the slaves to create jobs.
Posted by: WalrusRex at February 11, 2013 12:40 PM (Hx5uv)


Disband and dismantle ALL unions! And start with the g-ddamn NEA.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 11, 2013 12:42 PM (4df7R)

169 Demorats are so stupid it is astonishing.

I think the NY law will be the first to reach the Sup. Ct. Sets up a perfect battle against gun registration, 7 rounds in a clip bullshit, etc.

They have gone from gradualism to a wholesale assault on the Second Amendment.

Excuse me. 1 person was killed with a rifle in Chicago in 2011. My rights to a firearm of my choosing, that is readily available in pretty much every other state, cannot be infringed simply because I live in the people's republic of Chicago.

THERE IS NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT ON THE OTHER SIDE. None. Nothing. Nada. Zilch.

Gun ownership has skyrocketed lately, crime and murder keep coming down.

Chicago has most draconian gun laws on the books, murder spikes continue.

End of story. The AR 15 is the most popular style rifle in the United States. It usually is sold with a 30 round magazine.

Read the fucking Supreme Court cases. You are all done. Read the dissent in Heller II.

These people are fucking laughable. The Violence Prevention Center lies and lies and lies. They don't care. They want to ban ALL FUCKING GUNS. Hand guns, muzzle loaders, semiauto rifles, air guns.

They would leave us defenseless. Fuck them. I expect the Sup. Ct. to step in here and end this madness.

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 11, 2013 12:42 PM (tVTLU)

170 "the constitution means nothing here, I am the law".
Posted by: Berserker at February 11, 2013 12:40 PM (FMbng)


In a free society that mans ability to expand his lungs would be curtailed.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 11, 2013 12:42 PM (l86i3)

171 Shotgun/rifle combo. Perhaps the mean the AR-15 with pump shotgun combo?

Could be what they're trying to ban, but how often do you ever see one except on television? It would be like banning .50 BMG handguns. They exist, but only as a rare and expensive novelty.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 11, 2013 12:42 PM (SY2Kh)

172 Someone wrote into the local paper discussing her recent conversation with a couple of high school graduates. She learned that each state has its own president and vice president and FDR freed the slaves to create jobs.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 11, 2013 12:40 PM (Hx5uv)


No shit? He/She didn't already know that?

Posted by: HS Graduate looking for work at February 11, 2013 12:43 PM (Qxe/p)

173 OT.
http://is.gd/ZaxUfn

Sweet Anubis' flea collar.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 11, 2013 12:43 PM (/kI1Q)

174 Posted by: Berserker at February 11, 2013 12:40 PM (FMbng)

Class 3?

What's that?

I mean...I know we are second class citizens, but there's something worse?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 11, 2013 12:43 PM (GsoHv)

175 "I don't have to remind everyone what historically comes after universal registration, right?"

I think that 'Universal Background Checks' is a stealth way of establishing Universal Registration.

Posted by: wheatie at February 11, 2013 12:43 PM (w27/Q)

176 So can I still put a pitchfork lug on my rifle?

Posted by: Dang at February 11, 2013 12:43 PM (R18D0)

177 Yeah, I'm the paranoid freak for thinking They are going to come for my guns because it's not like anyone is doing anything at all to make it look They are coming for my guns.


So did the LAPD shoot up anyone else while not finding the guy they are looking for today?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 11, 2013 12:44 PM (VtjlW)

178 Could be what they're trying to ban, but how often do you ever see one except on television? It would be like banning .50 BMG handguns. They exist, but only as a rare and expensive novelty.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 11, 2013 12:42 PM (SY2Kh)


You're talking about legislators and agitators who think the weapons in "Metalgear Solid" are available over the counter to anyone who wants them, no questions asked.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 11, 2013 12:44 PM (4df7R)

179 So can I still put a pitchfork lug on my rifle?
Posted by: Dang at February 11, 2013 12:43 PM (R18D0)

Or a rifle lug on your pitchfork.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 11, 2013 12:44 PM (l86i3)

180 What has me worried is all the CA license plates I see turning up here in AZ.
I'm afraid they will bring the same delusional beliefs here and try to turn us into CA.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 11, 2013 12:44 PM (uhftQ)

181 "Proposed anti-gun legislation in CO:


ban mags over 10 rounds"

Gotta love how reactionary leftists have never heard of "reloading".

Posted by: TANSTAAFL at February 11, 2013 12:45 PM (tqAT4)

182 But man, Wyoming is windy

people who live there say it's not that Wyoming is windy, it's just that Nebraska sucks

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 11, 2013 12:45 PM (8sCoq)

183 HeatherRadish, you're not improving my lousy mood, and it's still more than 6 hours till cocktail time.

Posted by: jakeman, Assault V2.0 at February 11, 2013 12:45 PM (96M6e)

184 I don't have to remind everyone what historically comes after universal registration, right?

Remind us, no. It's getting through the thick skulls of the left that's the problem. Every single time I've explained by opposition to universal registration because of universal confiscation, I've been met with the same (non)answers:

"That can't happen here."

"What are you, one of those militia types?"

"You're racist."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 11, 2013 12:45 PM (zF6Iw)

185 I expect the Sup. Ct. to step in here and end this madness.

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 11, 2013 12:42 PM (tVTLU)

------
Charging for a background check.????????
Well..... certainly sounds like a TAX to me......

Posted by: Chief Justic Roberts at February 11, 2013 12:45 PM (nELVU)

186 Remember the marriage vote last year? All NC metropolitan area counties
voted blue, all other counties, and I mean ALL others, voted red. Those
fine folks from the north did not move to the sticks, they moved to
town.


Yup. The only counties that voted for gay marriage were the ones that had the bigger towns and cities. I remember one county in the sticks that voted 90-10 for the amendment.

Posted by: EC at February 11, 2013 12:45 PM (GQ8sn)

187
Insanity. "Constitutional Carry" as if that is some terrible thing. If the Constitution means anything it should be "Constitutional Carry" everywhere.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 11, 2013 12:46 PM (p/cQy)

188 From HeatherRadish's link, the PJ Media headline:


Obama on Pope: ‘I Have Appreciated Our Work Together Over These Last Four Years’



Yes, everyone. As expected, it's all about him.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 11, 2013 12:46 PM (4df7R)

189 I know the Left gets in fits when there's talk of states like Texas seceding, but most conservatives would enthusiastically support California leaving.

If anything, the federal government should try and do things to make California want to go on its own. Maybe raise taxes on organic fruits and vegetables? Ban hybrids? Lots of offshore drilling?

Posted by: McAdams at February 11, 2013 12:46 PM (VGRU5)

190 CharlieBrown'sDildo: Class 3 is gunnie slang for NFA of 1934 weapons.

Machineguns, silencers, short-barrelled rifles and shotguns.

It is technically lawful to own them in NJ, but police never sign the paperwork.

However, there a re a few crafty folks using trusts and LLCs to own the weapons, which don't require a law enforcement signature.

Posted by: Kristophr at February 11, 2013 12:46 PM (wYVte)

191 You're talking about legislators and agitators who think the weapons in
"Metalgear Solid" are available over the counter to anyone who wants
them, no questions asked.


Oh man, I would love a walking tank!

Posted by: EC at February 11, 2013 12:46 PM (GQ8sn)

192 >Gotta love how reactionary leftists have never heard of "reloading".


Posted by: TANSTAAFL at February 11, 2013 12:45 PM (tqAT4)


these people are idiots- it's like they're saying, 'you may only murder people ten at a time, then you must reload'

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 11, 2013 12:46 PM (8sCoq)

193 Could be what they're trying to ban, but how often do you ever see one except on television? It would be like banning .50 BMG handguns. They exist, but only as a rare and expensive novelty.
Posted by: Hollowpoint
***

The people in question view their extreme ignorance of firearms as a badge of honor.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 11, 2013 12:46 PM (uhftQ)

194 Is my mossberg with swappable barrels for sabot slugs and plain old shots considered a "Rife/Shotgun" combination?!

that'd be scary if it were. (Meh, I don't live in California.)

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 11, 2013 12:46 PM (oG3dE)

195 So did the LAPD shoot up anyone else while not finding the guy they are looking for today?
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 11, 2013 12:44 PM (VtjlW)

You know, If we had A POTUS that Gave a fuck, She would call Villarafknidiot and say "Hey ASSHOLE, your keystone cops kill another one of my citizens, you are fucked."

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 11, 2013 12:47 PM (l86i3)

196 173 OT.
http://is.gd/ZaxUfn

Sweet Anubis' flea collar.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 11, 2013 12:43 PM (/kI1Q)


So, who do you think Obama will choose as the Pope's successor?
Also, will that require congressional hearings?

(HS Graduate sock off, perhaps a bit too late ...)

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 11, 2013 12:47 PM (Qxe/p)

197 191 You're talking about legislators and agitators who think the weapons in
"Metalgear Solid" are available over the counter to anyone who wants
them, no questions asked.

Oh man, I would love a walking tank!

---

I'd settle for the tranq pistol and tranq sniper rifle.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 11, 2013 12:47 PM (e0xKF)

198 "the constitution means nothing here, I am the law".

That's how I run the HOA.

Posted by: jwest at February 11, 2013 12:47 PM (ZDsRL)

199
Remind us, no. It's getting through the thick skulls of the left that's the problem. Every single time I've explained by opposition to universal registration because of universal confiscation, I've been met with the same (non)answers:

"That can't happen here."

"What are you, one of those militia types?"

"You're racist."


History, how does it fucking work?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 11, 2013 12:47 PM (+z4pE)

200 Someone wrote into the local paper discussing her recent conversation
with a couple of high school graduates. She learned that each state has
its own president and vice president and FDR freed the slaves to create
jobs.

---

No joke, this pretty much coincides with what my 16 year old tells me. He laughs at the retardidity of his fellow classmates. It's shocking how ill informed these kids are.

Posted by: Lady in Black at February 11, 2013 12:47 PM (ATdet)

201 Gotta love how reactionary leftists have never heard of "reloading".

-----

Just you SHHUUUUUUUUUUUUUSH.

I currently enjoy the fact that I can buy GUNPOWDER over the counter and reload my own ammo.

Please do not point out my fortune to the regulators that be.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 11, 2013 12:47 PM (nELVU)

202 MO by the way apparently wants to open a special court docket for "gun related offenses."

I'm
perplexed by this. They claim people aren't getting harsh enough
punishments when they use a gun to commit a crime or something. The news
report wasn't too clear.


They're right. Too often the felony gun-related offense gets pleaded down to a misdemeanor or dropped completely for not being sexy enough.

Leave the rest of us alone, crack down hard on the shitbirds who use a gun to commit a crime.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 11, 2013 12:48 PM (SY2Kh)

203 I'm afraid they will bring the same delusional beliefs here and try to turn us into CA.

I've been here 21 years, and it's been happening all along, my fine flippered friend. When I first arrived in AZ, the Republic was VERY conservative, which was a shock to me as a former Masshole. Now, they're as liberal as any other Gannett rag.

Posted by: jakeman, Assault V2.0 at February 11, 2013 12:48 PM (96M6e)

204 Yeah, many "may issue" states just devolve into de facto "no issue".
Posted by: JohnE. at February 11, 2013 12:07 PM (nRTou)

You rang?

Posted by: Soviet Maryland at February 11, 2013 12:48 PM (FsUAO)

205

The California "shotgun-rifle" ban seems to be aimed at the ridiculous
Taraus Judge style weapons, which can shoot either .45 pistol ammo or
.410 shotshells.

The Judge is marketed to mouth-breathing
retards, and the marketing campaign seems to have unintentionally sucked
in politicians as well.


Posted by: Ernst Blofeld at February 11, 2013 12:40 PM (XZWie)







Except that the Judge is already illegal twice over in CA because under state law it's considered a short-barreled shotgun, AND an assault weapon because it's a shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

Just think, if Taurus were ever to purchase HiPoint, they could market HPs as "The Defendant".

And I'm with you on the "marketed to mouth-breathing retards" thing.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 11, 2013 12:49 PM (TIIx5)

206 169--- "They would leave us defenseless. Fuck them. I expect the Sup. Ct. to step in here and end this madness."
Posted by: Prescient11 at February 11, 2013 12:42 PM (tVTLU)

You expect all 5 of the justices who voted for the 2nd A to live forever?

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 11, 2013 12:49 PM (C8mVl)

207 Maybe if they did a little more #9 they would have less problems. Id venture to guess the thousands of gang members are doing more shooting of the innocents, than Joe the farmer.

Posted by: Infidelswine at February 11, 2013 12:49 PM (pq/Om)

208 History, how does it fucking work?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 11, 2013 12:47 PM (+z4pE)

Liberal's American Exceptional-ism: Exceptionally dumb.

Posted by: Soviet Maryland at February 11, 2013 12:50 PM (FsUAO)

209 177 AlexTheChick,

do you trust the media to report it if they do?

Posted by: sven10077 at February 11, 2013 12:50 PM (LRFds)

210 these people are idiots- it's like they're saying, 'you may only murder people ten at a time, then you must reload'
Posted by: Jones in CO at February 11, 2013 12:46 PM (8sCoq)


"Reloading? no no no! You're only allowed ONE clip! Dammit. Gerald, add that caveat to the law. 'Magazines cannot exceed ten rounds, and gun owners may only own one magazine per gun. Guns with interchangeable magazines must share one.'"

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 11, 2013 12:50 PM (4df7R)

211 Chief Justice Roberts:

Yeah, background checks will pass muster. Banning semiauto rifles and banning magazines over 10 rounds will not.

Shit, even before the civil war they had rifles that could hold 18 cartridges that we semiautomatic.

Registration of individual weapons will be found to be unconstitutional. So will "gun insurance."

An inherent right is much different than driving a car. Fuck them and fuck what they stand for.

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 11, 2013 12:50 PM (tVTLU)

212 The Taurus Circuit judge ( a carbine ) is not a bad notion, compared to the Judge pistol.

.45 LC and .410 shotgun actually makes sense as a carbine, and it is legal in CA.

Which is why the CA legislature wants to ban it.

Posted by: Kristophr at February 11, 2013 12:51 PM (wYVte)

213 Just you SHHUUUUUUUUUUUUUSH.

I currently enjoy the fact that I can buy GUNPOWDER over the counter and reload my own ammo.

Please do not point out my fortune to the regulators that be.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 11, 2013 12:47 PM (nELVU)


Although the anonymous 911 call claiming a domestic disturbance at the residence proved false, several pounds of explosives were found at the residence.
Police and the ATF have evacuated the neighborhood, and will advise residents when it is safe to return.

Posted by: the MSM at February 11, 2013 12:51 PM (Qxe/p)

214

OT sorry

This is the lady Brent Musberger gushed over during the BCS championship game

I thought the guys should see this right away- it's important


http://t.co/UEnTvrkK

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 11, 2013 12:52 PM (8sCoq)

215 Posted by: Prescient11 at February 11, 2013 12:50 PM (tVTLU)

Meh, lever action anything is pretty close to semi-auto with practice, for all intents and purposes IMHO.
Can you pump out 9/second? Unlikely, but I doubt you could do that with any real accuracy on a semi-auto anyway.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 11, 2013 12:52 PM (oG3dE)

216 The Judge is marketed to mouth-breathing retards, and the marketing campaign seems to have unintentionally sucked in politicians as well.
Posted by: Ernst Blofeld at February 11, 2013 12:40 PM (XZWie)

One problem with the Judge is the 'jump' .45 LC bullets have to make because of the disparity of length between a .410 and a .45 LC, which skews its accuracy. Another problem is that the necessarily short pistol barrel diminishes the effectiveness of the .410. I don't see a way around the shortcomings of the design. The ballistic requirements of the .410 and the .45 LC, both very effective and proven on their own, negate each other.

The Judge is a very big and scary-cool looking handgun, though. I had to dissuade my girlfriend from buying one when we went to pick out a gun for her after she got her carry license.

Posted by: troyriser at February 11, 2013 12:52 PM (vtiE6)

217 205 ITC,

Good to know I'm a "mouth breather" on weapons...

the Judge class weapon is a decent one within its mission profile, especially the carbine.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 11, 2013 12:52 PM (LRFds)

218 History, how does it fucking work?

Those are just old, dead, white guys.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 11, 2013 12:53 PM (8y9MW)

219 What has me worried is all the CA license plates I see turning up here in AZ.

I'm afraid they will bring the same delusional beliefs here and try to turn us into CA.

----

It won't matter if amnesty goes through. We'll all be CA.

Posted by: Lady in Black at February 11, 2013 12:53 PM (ATdet)

220 187 ---" If the Constitution means anything..."
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 11, 2013 12:46 PM (p/cQy)

The Constitution is whatever five of us say it is.

Posted by: Justice Harry Blackmun at February 11, 2013 12:53 PM (C8mVl)

221 This is the lady Brent Musberger gushed over during the BCS championship game

That's a good looking woman.

Posted by: EC at February 11, 2013 12:53 PM (GQ8sn)

222 @ 212 sorry wrong info the Judge is illegal in California. But Illegals are legal in Mexifornia...

Posted by: Clemenza at February 11, 2013 12:53 PM (Q8Pu5)

223 They're trying to push the same sort of shit here in MN, too. And by unfortunate coincidence, both the Governor and Legislature are currently held by Dems (hasn't been the case for a long time).

There are a lot of gun owners in outstate MN though (as in 'almost everybody'), plus we're the home to DPMS. Hopefully they get blocked.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 11, 2013 12:54 PM (SY2Kh)

224 Wouldn't it simply be easier to ban criminals from having guns? Problem solved.

Posted by: SH at February 11, 2013 12:54 PM (gmeXX)

225 That's a good looking woman.

And how!

Posted by: jakeman, Assault V2.0 at February 11, 2013 12:54 PM (96M6e)

226 Yeah.... good thing I left all my guns in Colorado when I moved back to California to take care of my Mom...

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 11, 2013 12:54 PM (lZBBB)

227 http://t.co/UEnTvrkK
Posted by: Jones in CO at February 11, 2013 12:52 PM (8sCoq)

I LOVE YOU MAN!!!

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 11, 2013 12:54 PM (l86i3)

228 9. Cracking down on people who can't own guns legally but do anyway.

What is keeping Kali from doing this now? They seriously need a law to let them follow the law?

Posted by: rickb223 at February 11, 2013 12:54 PM (GFM2b)

229 216 TroyRiser,

"the way around it" is to use it as a revolving carbine....

http://www.mossycreekcustom.com/revolvers/taurus-judge/

You can have it gunsmithed to ease reloading and sights as well.

It's not a conventional weapon but great fun for killing rattlers.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 11, 2013 12:55 PM (LRFds)

230 @ 219 they( the crazy gun people } see patriots store guns in AZ

Posted by: Clemenza at February 11, 2013 12:55 PM (Q8Pu5)

231 Margarita:

Nope. Hopefully long enough for Cuomo's idiot law to make it up the chain. And then there's Heller II, which should be back before the DC Cir. again.

If that goes up, the issues will be:

1) Ban on certain semiauto rifles
2) Ban on mags over 10 rounds
3) Registration of all guns.

Hit it out of the fucking park. All three should fall.

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 11, 2013 12:55 PM (tVTLU)

232 Obama on Pope: ‘I Have Appreciated Our Work Together Over These Last Four Years’

Suggested Papal response: "Get bent, fuckwad."

Posted by: t-bird at February 11, 2013 12:56 PM (FcR7P)

233 Those are just old, dead, white guys.

Even worse- racist, old, dead white guys. By definition the epitome of evil according to the PC left.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 11, 2013 12:56 PM (SY2Kh)

234 Someone wrote into the local paper discussing her recent conversation with a couple of high school graduates. She learned that each state has its own president and vice president and FDR freed the slaves to create jobs.---No joke, this pretty much coincides with what my 16 year old tells me. He laughs at the retardidity of his fellow classmates. It's shocking how ill informed these kids are.
Posted by: Lady in Black at February 11, 2013 12:47 PM (ATdet)


----------------------------------------------------


And it is through the indoctrination of our publik schools that our freedoms are being lost. It is the tap-root of our present problems.

Posted by: Soona at February 11, 2013 12:56 PM (drE9i)

235 What is keeping Kali from doing this now? They seriously need a law to let them follow the law?

---

You have to remember that, in Cali, they consider the person who shouldn't own a weapon to be the Korean store owner, not the Crips, Bloods, and MS-13 guys trying to rob him.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 11, 2013 12:57 PM (e0xKF)

236 220 Justice harry Blackmun,

Si absolutely! ELECTROLYTES

Chief Justice Dwayne Alisandro Hector Mountain Dew Camacho....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 11, 2013 12:57 PM (LRFds)

237 They sure are milking Gabby for all she's worth.

New ad -


http://tinyurl.com/c6l7fwu

Posted by: RWC at February 11, 2013 12:57 PM (fWAjv)

238 If that goes up, the issues will be:

1) Ban on certain semiauto rifles
2) Ban on mags over 10 rounds
3) Registration of all guns.


Looks like a simple case of tax law to me...

Posted by: Chief Justice Roberts at February 11, 2013 12:57 PM (FcR7P)

239 They will put an annual tax on your guns here in Mexifornia..
you will have to get a stamp for certain long guns , paid annually,,,

Posted by: Clemenza at February 11, 2013 12:57 PM (Q8Pu5)

240 What is keeping Kali from doing this now? They seriously need a law to let them follow the law?

That might discriminate against People Of Color and Undocumented Immigrants. Couldn't have that.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 11, 2013 12:57 PM (SY2Kh)

241 My suggested Papal response. Elect Dolan. Bring it on.

Posted by: SH at February 11, 2013 12:57 PM (gmeXX)

242 Fox just showed thousands of people lining up outside Cowboy Stadium in Dallas for Chris Kyle's funeral.

Haven't heard a word about his death from the SCOAMF.

RIP, Chris. Prayers for your loved ones.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 11, 2013 12:58 PM (UOM48)

243 231 --- God willing the 2ndA five will survive long enough..... and will stay sane.

Posted by: Justice Harry Blackmun at February 11, 2013 12:58 PM (C8mVl)

244 More than a year after lifting the ban on gay men and women serving openly in the military, the Pentagon has extended certain benefits to these service members and their families.

Gay rights groups have been pressing the Pentagon to extend equal benefits to gay service members and their families since the repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell. The benefits include commissary privileges, access to family support initiatives and joint duty assignments. The move was one of Defense Secretary Leon Panetta's last moves as a member of President Barack Obama's Cabinet, and it will likely be one of his most lasting legacies.

Sure why not I mean there is so much money. Hell it's not like the Troops need raises, or The USS Abe Lincoln needs to be refueled, or that anyone cares if we gut the Military.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 11, 2013 12:58 PM (9Bj8R)

245 >>>The California "shotgun-rifle" ban seems to be aimed at the ridiculous

Taraus Judge style weapons, which can shoot either .45 pistol ammo or

.410 shotshells.

>>>The Judge is marketed to mouth-breathing

retards, and the marketing campaign seems to have unintentionally sucked

in politicians as well.


You.are.an.idiot.
The Judge first is illegal in California as no pistol can be chambered for shotgun rounds in the state.

Second the Judge is an excellent field utility gun in that it can be both used as an anti snake gun and a large animal self defense gun, eliminating the need for two weapons.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 11, 2013 12:58 PM (0q2P7)

246 They sure are milking Gabby for all she's worth.

New ad -


http://tinyurl.com/c6l7fwu
Posted by: RWC at February 11, 2013 12:57 PM (fWAjv)


There are good looking crack whores that havn't been pimped out as much as this woman.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 11, 2013 12:58 PM (l86i3)

247 Another problem is that the necessarily short pistol barrel diminishes the effectiveness of the .410. I don't see a way around the shortcomings of the design.

Will it kill a rattlesnake or water moccasin when you walk up on it? If so, it's worth it.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 11, 2013 12:58 PM (GFM2b)

248 I expect the Sup. Ct. to step in here and end this madness.
Posted by: Prescient11 at February 11, 2013 12:42 PM (tVTLU)

*crickets chirping* *clocks ticking* *somewhere in the distance, a dog barks*

Good luck with that.

Posted by: troyriser at February 11, 2013 12:58 PM (vtiE6)

249 245 MikeTheMoose,

Yup...it is gaining popularity as a utility gun in SW LA.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 11, 2013 12:59 PM (LRFds)

250 Off odious Injustice Blackmun sock!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 11, 2013 12:59 PM (C8mVl)

251 And it is through the indoctrination of our publik schools that our
freedoms are being lost. It is the tap-root of our present problems.
---

Exactly. And it's the reason why the vast majority of college students truly hate their very own country. They've been taught to hate America.

Posted by: Lady in Black at February 11, 2013 12:59 PM (ATdet)

252 Funny , surprise !!! How many people actually pack ...
would surprise a lot of people in the elevator..

Posted by: Clemenza at February 11, 2013 12:59 PM (Q8Pu5)

253 Will it kill a rattlesnake or water moccasin when you walk up on it? If so, it's worth it.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 11, 2013 12:58 PM (GFM2b)


If it works on spiders, my wife will demand one.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 11, 2013 01:00 PM (Qxe/p)

254 This is the lady Brent Musberger gushed over during the BCS championship gameI thought the guys should see this right away- it's important


----------------------------------------------


Meh.

Posted by: Soona at February 11, 2013 01:00 PM (drE9i)

255 The California "shotgun-rifle" ban seems to be aimed
at the ridiculous Taraus Judge style weapons, which can shoot either
.45 pistol ammo or .410 shotshells.

The Judge is marketed to
mouth-breathing retards, and the marketing campaign seems to have
unintentionally sucked in politicians as well.


Posted by: Ernst Blofeld at February 11, 2013 12:40 PM (XZWie)

Except a pistol isn't a rifle, retard.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 11, 2013 01:00 PM (673KB)

256 I've been here 21 years, and it's been happening all along, my fine flippered friend. When I first arrived in AZ, the Republic was VERY conservative, which was a shock to me as a former Masshole. Now, they're as liberal as any other Gannett rag.
Posted by: jakeman, Assault
***

Been here since 1982. I've watched portions of the state turn radically blue. My folks cancelled their subscription to the Arizona Repugnant years ago thanks to the America hating political cartoonist Benson. I never started buying it in the first place for the reasons you mentioned.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 11, 2013 01:00 PM (uhftQ)

257 Are bump stocks already illegal in Cali.?

Posted by: wte9 at February 11, 2013 01:01 PM (Ta+kU)

258 Posted by: Prescient11 at February 11, 2013 12:50 PM (tVTLU)

True Story.... one of the major reasons the Lewis and Clark expedition was successful, was that they had in their possesion an Austrian 'Air Rifle'...

They would march into a new Tribes area, in full Uniform, and give a demonstration with it.... showing how fast and powerful it was... and the Indians did not know they only had ONE...

This gun is now in the Smithsonian.... it carried TWENTY rounds... capable of firing 30 on an air charge... and was effective out to about 150 yards...

Good enough for Lewis and Clark... illegal for Californians....

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 11, 2013 01:01 PM (lZBBB)

259 Clemenza: 222
@ 212 sorry wrong info the Judge is illegal in California. But Illegals are legal in Mexifornia...



The issue is currently in the courts. The state government keeps claiming a revolver carbine is a semi-automatic. Which is why the CA legislature is trying to make it even more illegal.

Posted by: Kristophr at February 11, 2013 01:01 PM (wYVte)

260 This is the lady Brent Musberger gushed over during
the BCS championship gameI thought the guys should see this right away-
it's important





----------------------------------------------





Meh.

Posted by: Soona at February 11, 2013 01:00 PM (drE9i)


Really?

Posted by: EC at February 11, 2013 01:01 PM (GQ8sn)

261 So if the LAPD can't find one lone left wing nut with a few guns how would they deal with thousands of newly criminalized citizens that decide to fight their government over their God given rights?

Posted by: vote Lord Humungus 2016 at February 11, 2013 01:02 PM (HEa5q)

262 The California "shotgun-rifle" ban seems to be aimed at the ridiculous Taurus Judge style weapons

Second look at lever-action 12 ga. revolvers?

Posted by: t-bird at February 11, 2013 01:02 PM (FcR7P)

263 Did everyone see the Kate Upton cover that Wyatt has up at his blog?

It gave me global warming in my pants.

http://supportyourlocalgunfighter.com/

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 11, 2013 01:02 PM (81UWZ)

264 Meh. Posted by: Soona at February 11, 2013 01:00 PM (drE9i)Really?
Posted by: EC at February 11, 2013 01:01 PM (GQ8sn)

Must be the elbows.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 11, 2013 01:02 PM (DrWcr)

265 Are bump stocks already illegal in Cali.?
Posted by: wte9 at February 11, 2013 01:01 PM (Ta+kU)

I think they are pretty much illegal everywhere. It's a mechanical device thats turns a semi-auto weapon into an auto one. Maybe you can still buy one but it comes with a nice letter from the ATF.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 11, 2013 01:03 PM (l86i3)

266 247Another problem is that the necessarily short pistol barrel diminishes the effectiveness of the .410.4 round balls packed into a single cartridge is a pretty good home defense munition.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at February 11, 2013 01:03 PM (+iUsQ)

267 how would they deal with thousands of newly criminalized citizens that
decide to fight their government over their God given rights?


If there is any place confiscation would not be largely opposed, it's California.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 11, 2013 01:03 PM (8y9MW)

268 Alberta oil peon: Rossi sells a carbine version of the judge with a stock on it.

The CA gov is fighting to ban it as a semi-auto in the courts, and will probably lose. This legislation is an end run around that.

Posted by: Kristophr at February 11, 2013 01:03 PM (wYVte)

269 255 Alberta Oil Peon,

While I agree I would God only knows what the neo-luddite STALAG enablers call a pistol though...."the bore is uh rifled ah..."

yeah "rifle"...

*scream*

Posted by: sven10077 at February 11, 2013 01:03 PM (LRFds)

270
So if the LAPD can't find one lone left wing nut with a few guns how
would they deal with thousands of newly criminalized citizens that
decide to fight their government over their God given rights?

---

honest answer????

Declare martial law, suspend habeas corpus.

I believe the appropriate verb would be "raze".

Posted by: fixerupper at February 11, 2013 01:04 PM (nELVU)

271 Will it kill a rattlesnake or water moccasin when you walk up on it? If so, it's worth it.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 11, 2013 12:58 PM (GFM2b)

There are far less expensive snake guns. I take a dirt-cheap .410/.45 LC Leinad double-barrel pistol, the one with the 11" barrel, in my knapsack or rucksack when I go camping or fishing. It's very primitive but very sturdy, and very effective for taking out snakes--of which there are plenty where I live. Doesn't weigh much either, but the recoil from a .410 in a relativelylight pistol frame can be brutal, so there's that.

Posted by: troyriser at February 11, 2013 01:04 PM (vtiE6)

272 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 11, 2013 01:03 PM (8y9MW)

I thank God every day that I don't live in CA

Posted by: vote Lord Humungus 2016 at February 11, 2013 01:04 PM (HEa5q)

273 >> think this dog show 'counter-programming' has some potential for some fresh jokes.


I wanna see Ace try to live blog both at the same time.

Posted by: Mama AJ, Assault Poiser at February 11, 2013 01:05 PM (SUKHu)

274 After the oppressive gun laws, expect them to attack trial-by-jury. Cases involving the violation of gun laws will have to be removed to special state judicial panels.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 11, 2013 01:05 PM (C8mVl)

275 how would they deal with thousands of newly criminalized citizens that decide to fight their government over their God given rights?

"Ah ha ha ha. You talk of God, plebeian? There is no God but ME."

-Barackanatun I

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 11, 2013 01:05 PM (4df7R)

276 I thank God every day that I don't live in CA

Yeah. Me, too.

Though, this Texan is really getting jealous of all those other States' Open Carry.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 11, 2013 01:05 PM (8y9MW)

277 >>>4. Bans shotgun-rifle combinations.

???

Why? I mean I know logic is not a strong suit for gunbanners but Rifle/SG combo guns are pretty marginal as both rifles and shotguns, usually only having a single shot of each. Again intended for the outdoor enthusiast for light duty dual role as both a bird/small game gun, and a medium game rifle. Not a gun I would expect criminals to even want.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 11, 2013 01:05 PM (0q2P7)

278 Really?
Posted by: EC at February 11, 2013 01:01 PM (GQ8sn)


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She's got a fine, fine body. But whenever I see a pic like this I try to imagine how these women look first thing in the morning when they come for their first cup of coffee. This one doesn't look that appealing.

Posted by: Soona at February 11, 2013 01:05 PM (drE9i)

279 Class 3?

What's that?

I mean...I know we are second class citizens, but there's something worse?


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 11, 2013 12:43 PM (GsoHv)

Well Class III is how I should have written it. It means machine guns. From what I understood you could own them in jersey, after the usual licenses and fees. In reality you got a better chance of smoking pot with god than ever getting that license, but from what I heard jersey is a class III state. There was a gun store here that dealt with them for law enforcement, and you would hear them going off in the back every once in a while. I would think if a gun dealer could sell and service them here, then yeah there must be a rule allowing it. Of course it is jersey, so maybe there is an exception for "govt". We're facists like that.

Posted by: Berserker at February 11, 2013 01:06 PM (FMbng)

280 But whenever I see a pic like this I try to imagine how these women look
first thing in the morning when they come for their first cup of
coffee. This one doesn't look that appealing.


If they're willing to put up with how you look in the same circumstance, who are you to complain?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 11, 2013 01:06 PM (8y9MW)

281 Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 11, 2013 12:58 PM (9Bj8R)

Note.... the Marine Guards used during the recent inauguration, had their Bolts removed... a first its believed...

This administration is doing everything it can to destroy the miltary might of the US.... even to unilateraly getting rid of 1/3 MORE of our nuclear deterent...

Gays and Women on the line... no training money.... no support... ROEs designed to neuter us....

And one of the most stupid Muzzy Lovin idiots in Washington (and I mean unintelligent) in charge of defense????

Its all a pattern....

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 11, 2013 01:07 PM (lZBBB)

282 Doesn't weigh much either, but the recoil from a .410 in a relativelylight pistol frame can be brutal, so there's that.

Posted by: troyriser at February 11, 2013 01:04 PM (vtiE6)


When you damn near trip over a rattler, you wouldn't even notice the recoil. Or hear the sound.

And the wide pattern would make it hard to miss with.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 11, 2013 01:07 PM (Qxe/p)

283 I wanna see Ace try to live blog both at the same time.
Posted by: Mama AJ, Assault Poiser at February 11, 2013 01:05 PM (SUKHu)


"And a truly magnificent bitch has just taken center stage. But enough about Obama, let's check in at Westminster!"

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 11, 2013 01:07 PM (4df7R)

284 And the wide pattern would make it hard to miss with.
Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 11, 2013 01:07 PM (Qxe/p)


Just don't shoot the top of your foot.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 11, 2013 01:08 PM (l86i3)

285 From HeatherRadish's link, the PJ Media headline: Obama on Pope: ‘I Have Appreciated Our Work Together Over These Last Four Years’
Yes, everyone. As expected, it's all about him.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 11, 2013 12:46 PM (4df7R)


Pity the Osservatore Romano headline can't read Pope on Obama: 'See you in hell, asshole'

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 11, 2013 01:08 PM (zF6Iw)

286 AllenG: Until you start punishing legislators for pretending to be pro-gun, Texas will be all hat and no cattle.

Seriously. with a bi-yearly legislature, holding up a pro-gun law needs to become a career-death-penalty.

The retard responsible needs to be ridden out of town on a rail.

Posted by: Kristophr at February 11, 2013 01:08 PM (wYVte)

287 Why? I mean I know logic is not a strong suit for gunbanners but Rifle/SG combo guns are pretty marginal as both rifles and shotguns, usually only having a single shot of each. Again intended for the outdoor enthusiast for light duty dual role as both a bird/small game gun, and a medium game rifle. Not a gun I would expect criminals to even want.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 11, 2013 01:05 PM (0q2P7)


Because it SOUNDS SCARY.
"Oooh, shotguns are scary. So are rifles. OMG you can buy shotgun/rifle COMBOS?! Ban that shit stat!"

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 11, 2013 01:09 PM (4df7R)

288 So if the LAPD can't find one lone left wing nut with a few guns how would they deal with thousands of newly criminalized citizens that decide to fight their government over their God given rights? ---honest answer????Declare martial law, suspend habeas corpus.I believe the appropriate verb would be "raze".
Posted by: fixerupper at February 11, 2013 01:04 PM (nELVU)


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Loudspeaker: DO NOT BOARD THE EVEN NUMBERED BUSES. BOARD ONLY THE ODD NUMBERED BUSES............

Posted by: Soona at February 11, 2013 01:09 PM (drE9i)

289 A bit misleading with respect to AZ. AZ was and still is an open carry state (based on the state constitution). It was only concealed carry that was restricted until the 1990s.

Posted by: ManeiNeko at February 11, 2013 01:10 PM (TiE76)

290 Just don't shoot the top of your foot.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 11, 2013 01:08 PM (l86i3)


No kidding.
That comment seriously reminds me of a grouse hunting trip with 3 other guys.
One of them almost tripped over a rattler.

The rest of us seriously thought he shot his foot off with his 12 gauge.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 11, 2013 01:11 PM (Qxe/p)

291 If they're willing to put up with how you look in the same circumstance, who are you to complain?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 11, 2013 01:06 PM (8y9MW)


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I am always tanned, rested, and ready.

Posted by: Soona at February 11, 2013 01:12 PM (drE9i)

292 Ah yes, the Lewis and Clark expedition.

Boooyaaahhhh!!!!

The DC Cir gravely disappointed. The dissent's ruling is so obviously correct.

DC told the Sup. Ct. it's ok to ban handguns because people can have semiauto rifles in the home. Sup. Ct. told them to fuck off.

Now, back in the DC Cir., DC claims it's ok to ban semiauto rifles because people can have handguns.


Seriously. What. The. Fuck. And two repub. appointees bought this shit.

Kavanaugh's dissent is dead fucking on.

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 11, 2013 01:13 PM (tVTLU)

293 How bout this trade?

For every regulation you put on gun ownership, we get to put one on abortion. No takers?

Posted by: Lauren at February 11, 2013 01:14 PM (wsGWu)

294 I just love gun threads. Really.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 11, 2013 01:15 PM (4Mv1T)

295 A .410 / .22 over-under combo would be a good gun for grouse hunting. Here in Canada, it's legal to shoot sitting grouse with a rifle, but if they fly, the shotgun would be useful. Of course, some grouse are so stupid, you can simply walk up and pick them off the tree by hand. I've done it.


Mmmm, tasty little grouses.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 11, 2013 01:15 PM (673KB)

296 Lauren: They would take it, and then refuse to enforce the abortion laws.

Stroke of the pen, law of the land.

Posted by: Kristophr at February 11, 2013 01:16 PM (wYVte)

297 Posted by: Prescient11 at February 11, 2013 01:13 PM (tVTLU)

Yeah.... what part of 'shall not be infringed' is hard to understand?

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 11, 2013 01:16 PM (lZBBB)

298 She's got a fine, fine body. But whenever I see a pic like this I
try to imagine how these women look first thing in the morning when they
come for their first cup of coffee. This one doesn't look that
appealing.

Posted by: Soona at February 11, 2013 01:05 PM (drE9i)


Paleeeese.....you'd give your left nut to test that theory. And I'd bet my left boob you'd be wrong.

Posted by: Tami at February 11, 2013 01:16 PM (X6akg)

299 So if the LAPD can't find one lone left wing nut with a few guns how would they deal with thousands of newly criminalized citizens that decide to fight their government over their God given rights?

IF they decide to fight. That's the great unknown.

I'm not slamming my fellow Morons, but everyone's a hero until the knock at the door.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 11, 2013 01:17 PM (zF6Iw)

300 I'm not slamming my fellow Morons, but everyone's a hero until the knock at the door.

Don't wait for the knock on the door.

Alamo = bad plan

Safe house = good plan

Posted by: Kristophr at February 11, 2013 01:18 PM (wYVte)

301 Lauren, this is going back a couple days about eye surgery options, but this is the first time I've seen you since. Anyway, you might want to look into ICL if you're not a Lasik candidate. It's more expensive, but Mrs. Jakeman had it 4 years ago and has been extremely pleased.

Posted by: jakeman, Assault V2.0 at February 11, 2013 01:18 PM (96M6e)

302 Why on earth would they ban combo shotguns-rifles?
Posted by: Grey Fox at February 11, 2013 12:02 PM (U3ERv)
Rampant cretinism among the ruling class, most likely caused by inbreeding.

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at February 11, 2013 01:20 PM (KSjsb)

303 Paleeeese.....you'd give your left nut to test that theory. And I'd bet my left boob you'd be wrong.

I'd ask for pix before betting, Soona.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 11, 2013 01:20 PM (zF6Iw)

304 Don't wait for the knock on the door.

^^

Posted by: GMan at February 11, 2013 01:21 PM (sxq57)

305 I'm not slamming my fellow Morons, but everyone's a hero until the knock at the door.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 11, 2013 01:17 PM (zF6Iw)

We'll probably all find out the stuff we're made of over the next 10 years or so.

Posted by: troyriser at February 11, 2013 01:22 PM (vtiE6)

306 IF they decide to fight. That's the great unknown. I'm not slamming my fellow Morons, but everyone's a hero until the knock at the door.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing
***

I will be mobile before the knock on the door comes.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 11, 2013 01:22 PM (uhftQ)

307 Grey Fox: Rossi attempted to walk around the edict against the Circuit Judge .45LC/.410 shotgun Carbine by adding a lever action design, and was considering a single action trigger version as well.

The 'tards in the CA state legislature are reacting to this with a poorly written law that will ban expensive drillings as well.

Posted by: Kristophr at February 11, 2013 01:23 PM (wYVte)

308 Royal, they want to take your guns so that you don't "Murder" them when they come to take the rest of your stuff and give it to the non-workers and illegals...

Posted by: Rob in Katy at February 11, 2013 01:25 PM (gdGJ1)

309 California is banning shotgun/rifles combos because they're twice as evil.

Right now, they're just throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks.

Posted by: RayJ at February 11, 2013 01:27 PM (pI/IV)

310 300 I'm not slamming my fellow Morons, but everyone's a hero until the knock at the door.

The real push comes when we start stepping out when they knock on our neighbor's door.

Posted by: Jean at February 11, 2013 01:30 PM (Io7hX)

311 310 Jean,

Indeed....

you know your neighbors, and if these fuckers work en massed I hope we'll all know what to do.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 11, 2013 01:33 PM (LRFds)

312 More thought on the "Cali-ban" gun Nazis:

1. Shotgun-rifle combos are very historical, as is sjotgun-pistol combo (LeMat revolver).

2. Restriction number 8, in addition to my previous, smacks of corruption of blood. I'm not going to pull a Constitution argument--just that it clearly strips rights away from others in a family, and the ability to live as a familial unit and bear arms are natural law rights, not requiring government for basic ability to possess.

3. I'll remind folks of the doctrines regarding "prior restraint". You cannot put blanket restrictions down because of what might happen, can you? Especially when there is no cause, or continuing cause, to doubt the reliability of a particular individual.

4. Regarding the safety classes--I think the same jurisprudence as is used for requirement to see baby ultrasounds and other such before abortions should be used. Live by, die by. If one infringes, so does the other, and vice versa.

Posted by: E. at February 11, 2013 01:36 PM (+P7bM)

313 In WA, you can't get a Class 3 license. You can legally purchase a suppressor, but you cannot fire a weapon with that suppressor attached without violating the law.

Posted by: bonhomme at February 11, 2013 01:38 PM (99E5V)

314 Andrew the Great has a 2'fer going on here in the formerly great Empire State. Why tear up the 2nd Amendment when you can get another one trashed while you're at it.

Gander Mountain's Gun Sale Flyer wasn't mailed to postal patrons, nor are printed copies available in the store (at least in the Rochester area)...because of (or fear from) the NY Safe Act. You can't hardly own and now even talk about, getting a firearm in this great state.

And they say that no one takes a backseat to George Bush as the master shredder of the Constitution.

Posted by: CelticCaptain at February 11, 2013 02:50 PM (7N2jC)

315 When's the last time you saw a shotgun-rifle combo? Either a hugely expensive european "Drilling" type poofter hunting gun, or the much-banned Crossfire, banned even before it hit the streets (there are a few pump-action versions out on the market).

Why? Because they skeered politicians. Frankly, I'm turning to the opinion that things that scare politicians should be *mandatory*, not banned.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 11, 2013 03:27 PM (bxiXv)

316 "I don't have to remind everyone what historically comes after universal registration, right?"

A good reminder is needed to understand why confiscation is such a big deal. California ordered all registered SKS with detachable magazines which were modified to do that to turn them in by the deadline or face prosecution when the deadline is passed.

Posted by: Kaitian at February 11, 2013 04:07 PM (wpPY5)

317 Can't you do #9 without passing any new laws? Seems self evident to me

Posted by: DavidJ at February 11, 2013 04:38 PM (1JK0g)

318 Background check for ammo? Because bullets alone can kill people. PEW PEW PEW.

Posted by: smileynh at February 11, 2013 04:42 PM (hlZx/)

319 Colorado is up to no good as well. Magpul is saying they won't be able to manufacture P-mags in state if the legislation passes.

Posted by: liquidflorian at February 11, 2013 05:01 PM (Kx/oz)






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