Is the Government Buying Up Ammunition In Order to Implement Gun Control By Other Means?
Hang On: Link Ultimately Comes From InfoWars

Update: @tsrblke did what I did not, but should have-- he kept clicking through to find the ultimate source of the story. I stopped at the Examiner, which isn't really gold standard.

Clicking through on their link, which they call a "news report," we find the story originates at Infowars.com, Alex Jones' paranoia site.

Sorry, I should have checked. I do not believe this story now, and won't believe it, until someone with some credibility checks up on it.

Washington Free Beacon, Washington Examiner, Daily Caller, Breitbart-- you guys want to look into this?

...

Everyone says the same thing -- can't find ammunition anywhere, they're all sold out.

Meanwhile, Federal agencies, like the IRS (?!) and Department of Education (?!?!) are buying up ammo.


Lest you peg me a Black Copter Contrail paranoiac, it's pretty obvious (especially to anybody who has experienced ammo shortages at the local gun shop) what's going on here: gun control by other means. Federally-licensed ammunition manufacturers are required by law to give priority to government purchases, ostensibly to keep military and law enforcement agencies stocked. When they have to fill a fed order of, say, a couple billion rounds, it's not surprising to see empty shelves at Gunz 'R' Us.

Iowahawk links this article, reporting that the Social Security Administration (?!?!?!) has purchased 174,000 rounds of ammunition (?!?!?!?!?!).

Posted by: Ace at 01:28 PM



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Posted by: JDTAY at February 08, 2013 01:30 PM (a0nis)

2 Where are the hearings on why Education and SSA need ammunition?

Posted by: LibertarianJim (team #letitburn) at February 08, 2013 01:30 PM (CMbMd)

3 Iowahawk links this article, reporting that the Social Security Administration (?!?!?!) has purchased 174,000 rounds of ammunition (?!?!?!?!?!).

One-click demographic management?

Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at February 08, 2013 01:31 PM (8ZskC)

4 Nice to see our government dollars go to something with a use for once.

They'll probably end up not even using these though. 'Tis a shame.

Posted by: JDTAY at February 08, 2013 01:31 PM (a0nis)

5
Damn it, you still alive Ace?

Posted by: Obama's Kill List at February 08, 2013 01:31 PM (F6KtL)

6 Ok, so when do we start saying conspiracy theories are bad?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 08, 2013 01:31 PM (DvVVN)

7 We hope they're just trying to dry up the supply.
Because otherwise they are planning to throw every single federal peon into the trenches against the rest of us.

Posted by: Shel at February 08, 2013 01:31 PM (Ryj7s)

8 First the cheese, now the bullets.

Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at February 08, 2013 01:31 PM (8ZskC)

9 Uncle Sugar works in mysterious ways.

Posted by: garrett at February 08, 2013 01:31 PM (rfeES)

10 I'll take my tax refund in ammo. It will hold its value better too.

Posted by: Brewer at February 08, 2013 01:32 PM (eV1I0)

11 It's mine.......ALL MINE!!!!!!!!

Posted by: TEH WON at February 08, 2013 01:32 PM (KYUkk)

12 So I guess we'll soon see ammunition being smuggled across the mexican border with all the other illegals?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 08, 2013 01:32 PM (jE38p)

13 What we are seeing is the Government using any capital they can scrape up to stockpile Ammunition...

Why? Its VERY easy to enter tinfoil hat territory... kinda like those German writers in the 30's who were worried about that Cpl. Hitler.... clearly conspiracy nuts...

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 08, 2013 01:32 PM (lZBBB)

14 @8

Dear God, not the cheese!

Country is truly burning.

Posted by: JDTAY at February 08, 2013 01:32 PM (a0nis)

15 Clearly they're just trying to stimulate the economy.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 08, 2013 01:32 PM (DvVVN)

16 I hate conspiracy shit but this is real.

Posted by: eleven at February 08, 2013 01:33 PM (fsLdt)

17 Eh, I'm voting conspiracy theory right now. On the other hand, they might know something about rioting and martial law that they're not sharing with us.

Posted by: joncelli at February 08, 2013 01:33 PM (RD7QR)

18 Federally-licensed ammunition manufacturers are required by law to give
priority to government purchases, ostensibly to keep military and law
enforcement agencies stocked.


Also, do you have any idea how many rounds a Mexican drug gang goes through in a week?

Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at February 08, 2013 01:33 PM (8ZskC)

19 All that ammo you would think the DOE would be able to protect the students.

Posted by: madamex at February 08, 2013 01:33 PM (+kvQd)

20 Can this possibly work?

Posted by: eleven at February 08, 2013 01:33 PM (fsLdt)

21 You'd think one of our fine representatives in Congress could begin asking these questions. Or maybe an eager, skeptical reporter?


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!! I kill me.

Unless the gummint does first.

Posted by: zsasz at February 08, 2013 01:33 PM (MMC8r)

22 Well, I always wondered what the cost of entry was for home reloading...

Posted by: Weew at February 08, 2013 01:33 PM (r9IFY)

23 I refuse to believe this theory. Its seems stupid as its not like the materials to make bullets are scarce commodities. Its not like the Reagan admin gobbling up all of South Africa's titanium to keep the Soviets from making fighter jet engines.

Posted by: Serious Cat at February 08, 2013 01:34 PM (UypUQ)

24 I think they are trying to dry up the supply... Bad but the alternative is scarier....

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at February 08, 2013 01:34 PM (9+ccr)

25 I can't wait for an enterprising reporter to ask Jay Carney Barker in a presser what the purchases of ammo are for.


I'll hold my breath for this one.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 08, 2013 01:34 PM (DvVVN)

26 2 Where are the hearings on why Education and SSA need ammunition?


Posted by: LibertarianJim (team #letitburn) at February 08, 2013 01:30 PM (CMbMd)


Senator Fuqtard of Iowa: Tell me Secretary of Education, just why do you need all this ammunition?

Sec of Education: Well, these being gun Free zones, and with us being against having armed Guards around schools, we've found we need to protect ourselves from those with differing opinions...

Sen. Fuqtard: Oh.... thats OK then....

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 08, 2013 01:34 PM (lZBBB)

27 22
Well, I always wondered what the cost of entry was for home reloading...

Posted by: Weew at February 08, 2013 01:33 PM (r9IFY)

And what did you say your address was, Mr. Weew?

Posted by: BATF, pen at the ready at February 08, 2013 01:35 PM (RD7QR)

28 You'd think one of our fine representatives in Congress could begin
asking these questions.



Boehner has soaked his pillow with tears over this very issue.

Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at February 08, 2013 01:35 PM (8ZskC)

29
My big black 8-ball says:

Yesh.

Posted by: Meremortal, watching it brun at February 08, 2013 01:35 PM (jTKU5)

30 The links end at infowars.com.

Is that a reliable site?

Posted by: tasker at February 08, 2013 01:35 PM (r2PLg)

31 It's probably just "inflationary" - an attempt to make it harder for normal folks to buy

Posted by: BlackOrchid at February 08, 2013 01:35 PM (kGDRz)

32 If our government was smart they'd start selling back all this ammo at much higher rates and use the proceeds to pay down the debt.

Posted by: Serious Cat at February 08, 2013 01:35 PM (UypUQ)

33 Consider http://tinyurl.com/a5ylwsa

Crazy? I thought electing SCoaMF was crazy, his reelection even crazier.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 08, 2013 01:36 PM (eHIJJ)

34 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 08, 2013 01:36 PM (8y9MW)

35 I refuse to believe this theory. Its seems stupid as its not like the materials to make bullets are scarce commodities.

I think these people are capable of being precisely that stupid.

Posted by: eleven at February 08, 2013 01:36 PM (fsLdt)

36
Pffft.

There's no conspiracy. They are doing it right out in the open.

Posted by: Meremortal, watching it brun at February 08, 2013 01:36 PM (jTKU5)

37
>>I refuse to believe this theory. Its seems stupid as its not like the materials to make bullets are scarce commodities.<<

Yeah, there's an infinite supply of Copper and Brass.
Plus, I hear they had a bumper crop of Primers across the midwest this year.

Posted by: garrett at February 08, 2013 01:36 PM (rfeES)

38 But it's not assault ammo.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 08, 2013 01:36 PM (UOM48)

39 An Assault Bureau of Weights and Measures. Has an interesting ring to it.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 08, 2013 01:37 PM (CA2NO)

40 Most of this started way pre-Sandy Hook, so I think any "gun control by other means" is completely incidental. Not that they aren't happy, but I don't think it's the main point.

I think the main point is to make sure Gov't workers are armed for bear- especially those agencies which are most likely to be on the chopping block if fiscal sanity is ever imposed.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 08, 2013 01:37 PM (8y9MW)

41 It's hard to load your own right now. Primers powder and bullets are even selling out.
I am even having a hard time finding .308 brass

Posted by: The Jackhole at February 08, 2013 01:37 PM (nTgAI)

42
Can we get our Tax Refunds...in ammo?

Posted by: cereal assault wheatie at February 08, 2013 01:37 PM (BZMZX)

43
I think joncelli is onto something.

It will start with impeachment of POTUS. How can he avoid it much longer?

And then? LA/Rodney King on super-steroids.

Posted by: Gunslinger at February 08, 2013 01:37 PM (4S7hN)

44 Um, 300,000,000 guns in America.
1,800,000,000 rounds of ammunition
6 rounds per gun
Do you think Americans on average only shoot about 6 rounds of ammunition per gun per year?
Do you really think it is the government buying 1,800,000,000 round of ammunition that is causing the shortage, or do you think it is more likely the 100,000,000 gun owning Americans buying 1,000 rounds each just in case adding up to 100,000,000,000 rounds of ammunition, two orders of magnitude greater that might be doing it?

Posted by: astonerii at February 08, 2013 01:37 PM (1qHDV)

45 If our government was smart they'd start selling back all this ammo at
much higher rates and use the proceeds to pay down the debt.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!


*gaaaaaaaasp*


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at February 08, 2013 01:38 PM (8ZskC)

46 >>The links end at infowars.com.

Is that a reliable site?

I didn't know that, and no.

Posted by: ace at February 08, 2013 01:38 PM (LCRYB)

47 The premise sounds entirely logical. Buy up all the ammo and create a shortage. Drive up prices.

Posted by: Assault Jones in Assault, CO at February 08, 2013 01:38 PM (8sCoq)

48 And yes.... note...

We have Federal Licensing for Ammunition Makers.... ie, you need Federal Permision to make it so the People can use their RIGHT to keep and bear arms....

Uh.... if you need Government permision for a RIGHT... is it a RIGHT at all?

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 08, 2013 01:38 PM (lZBBB)

49 It'd sure be nice if there was some kind of...lemme think of a term...oh! "Opposition Party" up there in the Federal Government who would be able to (get this) "ask questions" of the people in the Executive who may or may not be buying all this ammo. Bonus points if they could compel testimony under oath and collect documentation as to the reasons the SSA needs all that boomunition.

Posted by: Jaws at February 08, 2013 01:38 PM (4I3Uo)

50 I think the main point is to make sure Gov't workers are armed for bear- especially those agencies which are most likely to be on the chopping block if fiscal sanity is ever imposed.

The DoE?

Posted by: eleven at February 08, 2013 01:38 PM (fsLdt)

51 Just exactly WHAT problem is this going to solve, again???

Posted by: Tex Lovera at February 08, 2013 01:38 PM (wtvvX)

52

If only we had Representatives in -- I don't don't know -- a House or something, that had control over budgeting and spending.

Maybe then they could do something about mass ammunition purchases by every government agency except the Library of Congress and the Kennedy Center.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 08, 2013 01:38 PM (kdS6q)

53 And of course, our pro gun rights rebumblicans say nothing, do nothing. What a worthless lot.

Posted by: L, elle at February 08, 2013 01:38 PM (0PiQ4)

54 I'd been wondering whether they foresaw they'd be implementing policies that would result in severe ammo shortages, and tried to stock well up beforehand.

Like eleven at #16, I hate conspiracy theories, but it's not obvious to me why they're buying up > 10^9 rounds. Economies of scale? Buying now so they can free up more of their budget in the future? Maybe....

Posted by: JPS at February 08, 2013 01:38 PM (yeNzW)

55 http://tinyurl.com/ar4hrnv

Seattle PI- FDA guard opened fire on 15 YO boy...

yeah a billion rounds eh?

Ace the LAPD and evidently Uncle Jan's DHS and LRE agencies don't grasp that they are going to fail to stop an insurgency of they blow apart vehicles at random.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 08, 2013 01:38 PM (LRFds)

56 @27

If they really wanted to know, they'd probably have no trouble finding out

Posted by: Weew at February 08, 2013 01:38 PM (r9IFY)

57 Hey, those mass graves don't fill themselves.

Posted by: zsasz at February 08, 2013 01:39 PM (MMC8r)

58 Considering Ace is the least tinfoilhatty person alive, the fact that he thinks they're trying to buy up ALL TEH AMMO makes me inclined to believe that it's true.

Posted by: Lauren at February 08, 2013 01:39 PM (wsGWu)

59
* puts on tin foil hat* If you got 325 million people, you're gonna need at least 3 bullets per person for control. *takes off hat.

I figure they are shipping these to the mideast for use by rebels or govts depending on where and who. I seriously don't think they need a 10 year stockpile.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 08, 2013 01:39 PM (p/cQy)

60 The DoE?

Posted by: eleven at February 08, 2013 01:38 PM (fsLdt)

They have to do something to keep those eagles away from the windmills.

Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at February 08, 2013 01:39 PM (8ZskC)

61
The only problem with this theory is that the government is largely buying .40sw, one of the few rounds I've seen available on the shelves since this current crisis. I can't find any .22 lr, but I have seen 40sw and 45acp.

This ammo shortage is caused by civilians stocking up for their own little personal homeland security.

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at February 08, 2013 01:39 PM (wWZWw)

62 So we believe infowars.com --which the last article after the link jumping just links to another infowars.com article.

What group is going to do the shooting?

It's not going to be the US military--sorry--but they are better than that.

Posted by: tasker at February 08, 2013 01:40 PM (r2PLg)

63 These sorts of articles about governmentorganizations purchasingammo in blulkappear somewhat regularly. The concern is always unfounded. Most likely the SSA has 1811's(federal investigators) who are armed. While it appears suspect, its probably a routine order and the ammo used for training/qualification purposes.
And this is coming from someone who liberals would likely describe as a gun nut.

Posted by: GIJared at February 08, 2013 01:40 PM (Tc6IU)

64 Components are in short supply too.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 08, 2013 01:40 PM (uhftQ)

65 >>I refuse to believe this theory. Its seems stupid as its not
like the materials to make bullets are scarce commodities.<<

Yeah, there's an infinite supply of Copper and Brass.
Plus, I hear they had a bumper crop of Primers across the midwest this year.


Don't forget that everyone who shoots either reloads themselves, or knows someone who does. Everyone.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 08, 2013 01:40 PM (8y9MW)

66 Where are the hearings on why Education and SSA need ammunition?


I've told this story before, but the last time I needed to replace my SS card, the nearest office was in a...Obama-voting neighborhood in Milwaukee, IYKWIM. The office employed an armed guard. To protect the workers from people who become...emotional...when their requests for money get delayed or disapproved.

So I understand why the SSA needs ammunition (which is not the same as agreeing).

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 08, 2013 01:40 PM (/kI1Q)

67 Did you know you need the government's permission to grow peanuts and tobacco?


The Founders would be spi-

aw, fuck it

Posted by: Assault Jones in Assault, CO at February 08, 2013 01:40 PM (8sCoq)

68 Isn't this where Piers Morgan comes in and says it's ridiculous and paranoid to think we have to fear a tyrannical government?

Posted by: kbdabear at February 08, 2013 01:40 PM (wwsoB)

69 I have long been suspecting this and several of us have posted it in the morning threads. But the problem is eventually they will have to stop.


And where are the Republicans in the House on this? They should be asking these questions. But hey, there may be a baseball player who took steroids. That is the important shit.

Posted by: Vic at February 08, 2013 01:40 PM (53z96)

70 well that'd make sense.

i learned of this listening to Michael Savage screech about how this is all part of the Incipient Fascist State where Obama's turns the military on us, and naturally assumed it was some dumb Alex Jonesian conspiracy theory, but this explanation OTOH wouldn't be far-fetched.

Posted by: JDP at February 08, 2013 01:41 PM (60GaT)

71 How many bullets has the LAPD fired in an effort to get one perp? Really, the math is easy.

Posted by: Fritz at February 08, 2013 01:41 PM (UzPAd)

72 OK Ace step away from the aluminum foil.

If this really was a tactic, they would have to do something other than "buy all the ammo" how long would it take for ammo manufacturers to adjust their production for the new demand levels? A couple years at most if it remained elevated?

Plus it isn't the Government buying 7mm Rem Mag, or .340 Wby rounds. It's us exhausting the supply of everything that isn't .223, .300 win, 9mm Luger, .50 BMG, .45 ACP and .338 Lapua. Because that is pretty much the only rounds the Government buys anymore.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 08, 2013 01:41 PM (0q2P7)

73 So, under what circumstances would the Department of Education need even 1 round? Unless they plan to become the Department of Reeducation.

Posted by: maddogg at February 08, 2013 01:41 PM (OlN4e)

74 Didn't we ALSO learn today that the military is going to cease training for all units that aren't immediately deploying?

Posted by: wizardpc at February 08, 2013 01:41 PM (5bCrA)

75 The Social Security Administration purchase of ammo may not be as ominous as it sounds. If the SSA has say 500 full-time guards nationwide and they shoot an average of 300 rounds a years for practice and qualification, then you're already looking at 150,000 rounds fired per year.

Posted by: Mætenloch at February 08, 2013 01:41 PM (XkotV)

76 They're buying mostly pistol rounds like .40SW and 9mm. Coincidentally, those are the calibers that police use for their service weapons.

I still don't get why the SSA needs ammo.

Posted by: EC at February 08, 2013 01:41 PM (GQ8sn)

77 Didn't we ALSO learn today that the military is going to cease training for all units that aren't immediately deploying?

Posted by: wizardpc at February 08, 2013 01:41 PM (5bCrA)

That is basically already happening

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 08, 2013 01:42 PM (jE38p)

78 >>The links end at infowars.com.


Is that a reliable site?


I didn't know that, and no.


Infowars isn't reliable, but sometimes they accidentally stumble onto something real.

As for the ammo buys- those are public record, and they're really happening.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 08, 2013 01:42 PM (8y9MW)

79 What struck me as weird was that the latest mass purchase was pistol ammo, .40 cal and 9mm. That makes no real sense.

Posted by: BuckIV at February 08, 2013 01:42 PM (gedHR)

80 50 I think the main point is to make sure Gov't workers are armed for bear- especially those agencies which are most likely to be on the chopping block if fiscal sanity is ever imposed.

The DoE?
Posted by: eleven at February 08, 2013 01:38 PM (fsLdt)

_____________

The DoE is that last to be on the chopping block.

Hell they win battles with DoD.

Huge tracts of land in the West are not controlled by DoD --but by DoE.

Posted by: tasker at February 08, 2013 01:42 PM (r2PLg)

81 It is not a theory if they are actually doing it.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at February 08, 2013 01:42 PM (jucos)

82 the wonders of not having passed a budget in 4 years, the Vermin King (new one: The Waiver Emperor) can use the stash to do whatever he wants.

This ammo buying thing is scary.

they really really really really want to grab our guns.

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at February 08, 2013 01:42 PM (QxSug)

83 There are limited ammo producers, at the least it will increase prices, pricing out some buyers. It's an indirect form of taxing the ammo.

Insty noted that during the height of the Iraq war we were shooting only 5 mill a month. The government has enough ammo to fight the war for 24 years!

Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 08, 2013 01:43 PM (wR+pz)

84 >>>So I guess we'll soon see ammunition being smuggled across the mexican border with all the other illegals?

Uh, your scenario has it heading in the wrong direction.

Posted by: Your Friends at BATF at February 08, 2013 01:43 PM (szUf0)

85 If only there was someone that was in a position to ask a direct question of the administration about the reason for so many ammo purchases by so many departments.

Maybe at a daily meeting where questions could be asked of administration spokepersons.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at February 08, 2013 01:43 PM (X/+QT)

86 Update: @tsrblke did what I did not, but should have-- he kept clicking through to find the ultimate source of the story. I stopped at the Examiner, which isn't really gold standard.

Clicking through on their link, which they call a "news report," we find the story originates at Infowars.com, Alex Jones' paranoia site.

Sorry, I should have checked. I do not believe this story now, and won't believe it, until someone with some credibility checks up on it.

_______________

Cool. Thanks Ace.

Posted by: tasker at February 08, 2013 01:43 PM (r2PLg)

87 75 maet,

Then they are the most highly tained shooters in America outside of SOCOM and LE HRTs....

most cops go to the range twice a year tops and they qualify with less than 50 shots.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 08, 2013 01:43 PM (LRFds)

88 let's call it what it is -- Ammunitative Easing

Posted by: Helicopter Ben at February 08, 2013 01:43 PM (u13V0)

89 Those aren't even large orders guys.

Posted by: Jean at February 08, 2013 01:43 PM (S4AQU)

90 I'm not worried, these are government workers. They only work between 9 am and 4:30 pm Monday through Friday, get eight weeks vacation and 2 weeks sick leave and 10 paid holidays, at least an hour for lunch, and they usually come in late Mondays and knock off early Fridays. I'm sure they will apply the same work ethic and diligence to shooting people as they do to everything else.

Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at February 08, 2013 01:43 PM (vOdIN)

91 New slogan for the gun grabbers:

If six rounds were enough for Harry Callahan, they're enough for you.

Think it will catch on?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 08, 2013 01:44 PM (piMMO)

92 how long would it take for ammo manufacturers to adjust their production for the new demand levels?

Oh, is the EPA going to let them?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 08, 2013 01:44 PM (/kI1Q)

93 Oh damn I forgot .40 S(and*)W



*This unneeded unwanted full spelling of the word "and" brought to you by Pixybot ruthless murderer of ampersands.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 08, 2013 01:44 PM (0q2P7)

94 since the Waiver Emperor is buying all of a certain type of ammo, is this a good thing or a bad thing. You can just picture an Indiana Jones type of warehouse glistening with miles of 9mm cases. Ripe for the taking.

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at February 08, 2013 01:44 PM (QxSug)

95 The drug cartels in Mexico are missing out on a job opportunity with ammo.

Posted by: maddogg at February 08, 2013 01:44 PM (OlN4e)

96 Here is an Investor's Daily story.



http://tinyurl.com/agtjxbm

Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 08, 2013 01:44 PM (wR+pz)

97
Yeah, they're buying it all up.

I am afraid to to speculate why. I truly am.

How did this all happen so fast?

I've prepared as well as I can. Now I suppose we watch and wait.

Posted by: Who Knows at February 08, 2013 01:44 PM (W+Itt)

98
"Plus, I hear they had a bumper crop of Primers across the midwest this year."

Dammit! Then why did I drive 30 miles based on a rumor and then overpay for two bricks of small pistol primers yesterday?!?!?

I demand Primer Price Control!

Posted by: Jaws at February 08, 2013 01:44 PM (4I3Uo)

99
'Naa, they wouldn't dare do that.'

This is what we tell ourselves...when we hear things that sound like 'conspiracy theories'.

But then, how many things have already happened, that we thought 'they wouldn't do'?

Posted by: wheatie at February 08, 2013 01:45 PM (BZMZX)

100 When "trained" cops turn a pickup truck with two Asian women in it to swiss cheese and neither end up looking like Sonny Corleone at the toll booth, then a federal hack might end up shooting thousands of rounds and do nothing but cut down a few trees

Posted by: kbdabear at February 08, 2013 01:45 PM (wwsoB)

101 BTW OT/

If the Chinese were smart, and wanted to put a checkmate on our global power, they'd makes moves to control the worlds supply of contraceptives.

Posted by: Serious Cat at February 08, 2013 01:45 PM (UypUQ)

102 79
What struck me as weird was that the latest mass purchase was pistol ammo, .40 cal and 9mm. That makes no real sense.


Posted by: BuckIV at February 08, 2013 01:42 PM (gedHR)

Unless you anticipate having lots and lots of rent-a-cops. [dons tinfoil hat] To protect government buildings during the riots.

Posted by: joncelli at February 08, 2013 01:45 PM (RD7QR)

103 >
The Social Security Administration purchase of ammo may not be as ominous as it sounds.

Yeah, it is does. The agency that collects the taxes has guns. That troubles me.

Posted by: Assault Jones in Assault, CO at February 08, 2013 01:45 PM (8sCoq)

104 If you know anybody in the National Guard who is NOT deployed, remind them about Kent State and how well that worked out for the Guard. I doubt that many of them know the story.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at February 08, 2013 01:45 PM (kXoT0)

105 Emily Litella then?

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at February 08, 2013 01:45 PM (QxSug)

106 Maybe the govt is on the same wavelength with us re: LIB.

They're buying up all the ammo they can, because Teh Burn is already scheduled for Dec 21 2013.

Posted by: EC at February 08, 2013 01:45 PM (GQ8sn)

107 Don't worry about trashing Jones - google the solicitation bids.

Posted by: george at February 08, 2013 01:45 PM (qBLA2)

108 Supply, meet Demand.

Posted by: Tom at February 08, 2013 01:45 PM (wBro8)

109 This needs to go on the sidebar:

A Sri Lankan prisoner who tried to hide his mobile phone during a search of his cell was caught out when guards heard ring tones from his rear-end, a hospital official said on Friday.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 08, 2013 01:45 PM (NTBjC)

110

Right, Allen. The gov't IS buying a lot of ammo, but the shortages and buys are not necessarily connected.

The gov't is issuing RFPs for the ammo, which are requests for proposals. These are not necessarily immediate purchases.


Posted by: imp at February 08, 2013 01:45 PM (UaxA0)

111 Infowars isn't reliable, but sometimes they accidentally stumble onto something real.

As for the ammo buys- those are public record, and they're really happening.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 08, 2013 01:42 PM (8y9MW)

______________

I tried to do a quick search for that.

You still end up with the same basic problem--who will do the shooting?

And--it will not be the US military.

Honestly--they vote more often and more Republican than the people commenting here.

Okaloosa county home of the free world's largest military base--voted some plus 70% for Romney.

Posted by: tasker at February 08, 2013 01:46 PM (r2PLg)

112 alright- enough fooling around


I want the HTML code for ampersand or the blog gets it

Posted by: Assault Jones in Assault, CO at February 08, 2013 01:46 PM (8sCoq)

113 I'll repeat what I said on the previous thread:

I want to know why no one in the media (and I know this is a stupid question but I have to ask it anyway) is asking why DHS - and a whole lot of other federal agencies - are buying up a billion hollow-point bullets. Just who in the fuck are they arming up for? Is there an imminent invasion that they know about? Again. Just why in the fuck are they loading for bear. Who is the bear? Us? Ask the fucking question and make Napolitano answer. Ask fucking Obama?

If we only had a press that was worth pissing on. And that is precisely why we're losing this country. MFM Delenda Est.

Posted by: LGoPs at February 08, 2013 01:47 PM (4x8W0)

114 Everyone needs to rethink their math on the population in a resistance scenario.

325,000,000
Young people 0-18 won't be fighting.
200,000,000
Older people 60+ won't be fighting.
150,000,000
Females with families won't be fighting.
90,000,000
Those objecting and the complacent won't fight.
30,000,000


Posted by: WheelmanForHire at February 08, 2013 01:47 PM (l8nIR)

115 o I understand why the SSA needs ammunition (which is not the same as agreeing).


Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 08, 2013 01:40 PM (/kI1Q)


How does the SSA have any Police Powers though.... should they not be outsourcing said Guard from either a Local or Federal Police Agency?

IMO the State has gone ballistic with their Monopoly on Force. There should be two armed Government groups out there... Police, and Armed Foces... agencies where they train their people in the use of Force... where there are checks, balances, and insitutional oversite....

Arming SSA... or Education dept... giving them their own armed entities, spreads the power of violence over too broad of a range of the Government...

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 08, 2013 01:47 PM (lZBBB)

116 89 Jean,

Considering the Military used less than 6 million rounds per month on average in Iraq for personal weapons....

I mean "really"?

Now explain to me why DoE and FDA use hollowpoints and the US Border patrol uses beanbags...?

Posted by: sven10077 at February 08, 2013 01:47 PM (LRFds)

117
Those aren't even large orders guys.
Posted by: Jean




Barely enough ammo to wing one Mexican grandmother delivering papers, let alone two.

Posted by: The LAPD

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 08, 2013 01:48 PM (kdS6q)

118 How long will it take for ammo makers to adjust levels? The started working 3 shifts 24/7 during Obama's first term long before Sandy Hook and have not been able to keep up with demand.


.357 and 9mm have been in short supply for almost 5 years now.

Posted by: Vic at February 08, 2013 01:48 PM (53z96)

119 global warming!!!

Posted by: coexistiot at February 08, 2013 01:48 PM (Kxz3Y)

120
A Sri Lankan prisoner who tried to hide his mobile phone during a search of his cell was caught out when guards heard ring tones from his rear-end, a hospital official said on Friday.

"I've got your duodenum on line 1."

Posted by: Sri Lanken Secretary at February 08, 2013 01:48 PM (rfeES)

121 >>>A Sri Lankan prisoner who tried to hide his mobile phone during a search
of his cell was caught out when guards heard ring tones from his
rear-end, a hospital official said on Friday.

That's why I always keep mine on vibrate.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at February 08, 2013 01:48 PM (szUf0)

122 asking the relevant questions

Posted by: JDP at February 08, 2013 01:48 PM (60GaT)

123 Ordering is not the same as taking delivery of. Remember, the public have bought 3+ years of supply in just 2 months.

Posted by: brian at February 08, 2013 01:48 PM (y05cf)

124 Right, Allen. The gov't IS buying a lot of ammo, but the shortages and buys are not necessarily connected.

I think it's better to say "the shortages and buys are not necessarily directly connected."

We know they're buying the ammo. That's been established by RFPs (and I can't speak to all of them, but the one or two I've read seemed to be fairly short term- but I'm hardly an expert on these things). The question is "why?"

I don't know the answer, but whatever the reason, I suspect I won't like it.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 08, 2013 01:48 PM (8y9MW)

125 DoE- Haven't I heard they have, um, law enforcement type folks for collecting on student loans.
They need practice ammo.
Probenlt the same with SSA.
Nothing to see here folks. Move along. Move along.

And don't bother to get on u tube and watch Waco, Rules of Engagement the next time you're trying to decide which movie to watch for the third time.
If any of that were true it would have been covered on cbs,, or abc,, or cnn,, at least for sure on nbc.

Posted by: teej at February 08, 2013 01:48 PM (S08dG)

126 Arming SSA... or Education dept... giving them their own armed entities,
spreads the power of violence over too broad of a range of the
Government...


Yeah, I really don't understand why Dept of Edukashun needs armed officers. That makes no sense at all.

Posted by: EC at February 08, 2013 01:49 PM (GQ8sn)

127 Shouldn't all just do what "dad and mom" want us to do? I mean when has the government not had our best interests in mind?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 08, 2013 01:49 PM (1Jaio)

128 Infowars source is an email they got forwarded from their aunt.

Posted by: Serious Cat at February 08, 2013 01:49 PM (UypUQ)

129 >>>Oh, is the EPA going to let them?

That's why it takes two years not 6 months. The EPA could slow them down, but not stop them.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 08, 2013 01:49 PM (0q2P7)

130 Sen. Fuqtard: Oh.... thats OK then....Posted by: Romeo13 at February 08, 2013 01:34 PM (lZBBB)

Senator Fuqtard? Of the Iowa Fuqtards or the Missouri Fuqtards?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 08, 2013 01:49 PM (sbV1u)

131 You're missing the boat on "they're only buying 9mm and .40 ammo".

That's still raw brass, powder, lead, and copper that could be used for other ammo by the factories . It doesn't come out of the ground shaped liked .55 grain FMJ, guys. A billion rounds of copper clad .40 bullet is a metric fuckton of lead and copper. And don't get me started on how much brass that is...

When TFG was elected the first time, you couldn't find .380 ammo for months because the ammo makers were running the 9mm dies full speed and couldn't spare the raw materials or personnel.

Posted by: B at February 08, 2013 01:49 PM (Pson9)

132 Well how else is our beloved President supposed to recover the cost of thsoe student loans if the very smart Department of Education (see, it's right in the name) doesn't have plenty of ammunition? You silly wingnuts should be happy with this!

http://preview.tinyurl.com/3qeuqj8

Posted by: Mary Cllogenstien Brattleboro,VT at February 08, 2013 01:49 PM (L8r/r)

133
Young people 0-18 won't be fighting.
200,000,000
Older people 60+ won't be fighting.
150,000,000
Females with families won't be fighting.



This is absolutely retarded.

Posted by: garrett at February 08, 2013 01:49 PM (rfeES)

134 The good side of this? If we take back the WH in 2016 and own the House and Senate, look to see "Surplus" ammo for sale mid 2017.

That is if Obama's "National Security Force" doesn't already have it.

Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 08, 2013 01:49 PM (wR+pz)

135 story has been around at least a year, did not originate at infowars.

so you know

Posted by: Donner Party at February 08, 2013 01:49 PM (40pJN)

136 Those aren't even large orders guys.

****

The Info Wars article I linked yesterday references the amount of ammo used by the U.S. military in Afghanistan and the orders are significantly more than what even they use. AND, the orders aren't being placed by the DOD.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 08, 2013 01:49 PM (piMMO)

137 128 Infowars source is an email they got forwarded from their aunt.
Posted by: Serious Cat at February 08, 2013 01:49 PM (UypUQ)

_____________

Ya--it's pretty "self massaging" or whatever the fancy word s for ___________.

Posted by: tasker at February 08, 2013 01:50 PM (r2PLg)

138 global warming!!!
That's it.

Good God.....their going to shoot the global warming!

It's so crazy it just might work.

Posted by: eleven at February 08, 2013 01:50 PM (fsLdt)

139 I think the kids planning to default on their student debt ought to think twice. And the elders should think twice before going to the doctor too often.

Don't worry, the media will get to the bottom of this! LOL.

Posted by: PJ at February 08, 2013 01:50 PM (ZWaLo)

140 On wifi at a restaurant.

I was checking out the true hotty at the next table.

She's discussing with her girlfriend guns, her CCW, and the coming apocolypse.

"If I had 100K to spend on guns right now, I would".

Previously they were discussing girl shit.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at February 08, 2013 01:50 PM (szUf0)

141 I know exactly why they are doing it, and you should be very afraid. I'll tell you why right after I answer this unexpected knock on my door...

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 08, 2013 01:50 PM (uhftQ)

142 A Sri Lankan prisoner who tried to hide his mobile phone during a search
of his cell was caught out when guards heard ring tones from his
rear-end, a hospital official said on Friday.


It's his father's cellphone.

Posted by: Walken at February 08, 2013 01:51 PM (MMC8r)

143 I want the HTML code for ampersand or the blog gets it


****

Use Chrome

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 08, 2013 01:51 PM (piMMO)

144 I wonder if the LIbrary of Congress has its own SWAT Team? if it doesn't it probably fucking should.
/

Posted by: LGoPs at February 08, 2013 01:51 PM (4x8W0)

145 79 What struck me as weird was that the latest mass purchase was pistol ammo, .40 cal and 9mm. That makes no real sense.

9mm especially makes sense. Buy up the most popular ones. Too bad the gun ranges around here insist on keeping your brass. Luckily .44 ain't got a whole lotta love.

Did I mention today that I hate CA?

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at February 08, 2013 01:51 PM (Qxdfp)

146 >Good God.....their going to shoot the global warming!



It's so crazy it just might work.




that's 'assault warming'

Posted by: Assault Jones in Assault, CO at February 08, 2013 01:51 PM (8sCoq)

147 Maybe the government thinks Americans are dumber than those guys in Darra, Pakistan. They can make just about any rifle or pistol you'd want, to order using primitive machine shops. Including AK-47s, Lewis machine guns, or even flintlocks if you want. They probably are similarly skilled in manufacturing ammunition too.

Posted by: JHW at February 08, 2013 01:51 PM (B38OD)

148 The links don't end at Infowars, they end at the actual agency solicitations.


If you've got a problem with Infowars, just skip them as the messenger. The fact that it's Infowars doesn't mean they got this one wrong.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 08, 2013 01:51 PM (DvVVN)

149 http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/52923

It's like The Ulstermann Report.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 08, 2013 01:51 PM (eHIJJ)

150
Well, is the first step to finding the answers to these questions a visit to our representatives office? Followed by a few hundred more?

Someone , somewhere has to start.

Posted by: Who Knows at February 08, 2013 01:51 PM (W+Itt)

151 >>>It doesn't come out of the ground shaped liked .55 grain FMJ, guys.

Of course it does. Fire can't melt lead and copper.

Posted by: Rosie ODonnell at February 08, 2013 01:51 PM (szUf0)

152 Posted by: WheelmanForHire at February 08, 2013 01:47 PM (l8nIR)

I wouldn't count out grandpas. If anything they'd be like "hell I'm going to kick the bucket soon anyways".

It would make Afghanistan look rule-able.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 08, 2013 01:51 PM (xAtAj)

153 B. Obama, June 24, 2009- "And all we're suggesting — and we're not going to solve every difficult problem in terms of end-of-life care. A lot of that is going to have to be, we as a culture and as a society starting to make better decisions within our own families and for ourselves. But what we can do is make sure that at least some of the waste that exists in the system that's not making anybody's mom better, that is loading up on additional tests or additional drugs that the evidence shows is not necessarily going to improve care, that at least we can let doctors know and your mom know that, you know what? Maybe this isn't going to help. Maybe you're better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller."
A. O'Spades, February 8, 2013- "this article, reporting that the Social Security Administration has purchased 174,000 rounds of ammunition painkillers.
*******
Clarified that a little for ya.

(emphasis added)

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 08, 2013 01:51 PM (qqZuQ)

154
>>"If I had 100K to spend on guns right now, I would".

THAT'S hot.

Posted by: garrett at February 08, 2013 01:52 PM (rfeES)

155 @114

Older people 60+ won't be fighting.
150,000,000

Bull Shit on that. Most resistance will come from people over 60. We remember what freedom is about.

Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 08, 2013 01:52 PM (wR+pz)

156 I recall them answering this questions. They said it was the security at the different agencies and for range practice

Posted by: madamex at February 08, 2013 01:52 PM (+kvQd)

157 >>>I don't know the answer, but whatever the reason, I suspect I won't like it.

That's the real question. Knowing that just buying ammo to exhaust the market is a stoopid idea, even for this dimwitted administration, then the next question follows. If your aren't buying it just to buy it, why are you buying it? I think about that and that's when my roll of Reynolds Wrap starts mumbling from inside the kitchen drawer.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 08, 2013 01:52 PM (0q2P7)

158 140
On wifi at a restaurant.

I was checking out the true hotty at the next table.

She's discussing with her girlfriend guns, her CCW, and the coming apocolypse.

"If I had 100K to spend on guns right now, I would".

Previously they were discussing girl shit.


Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at February 08, 2013 01:50 PM (szUf0)

Proposition her. Violate your wedding vows, if any.

Posted by: joncelli at February 08, 2013 01:52 PM (RD7QR)

159 Does the DMV have a SWAT Team?

It probably fucking shood.
/

Posted by: LGoPs at February 08, 2013 01:52 PM (4x8W0)

160 Ask yourself: will the US Army allow itself to be turned on the civilian populace in order to disarm it? Answer: no. It would refuse that order. (I HOPE it would refuse that order. I still have enough faith in the United States to believe that it would.)

So that leaves a hypothetical tyranny having to recruit an SS or SA or similar from somewhere. With the "redneck gun-loving jesus freaks" counted out (because they are the target), that leaves the hopeless urban drones of the left, drunk on entitlement, eager for glory, and full of Hollywood tactics. It could get very messy, but ultimately I think the Army would not watch this go on for long before it started to line up in support of the people and the Constitution. The Army and the people vs. the TSA and the Dept of Homeland Security. Hmm, that could make for an interesting little stoush.

I hope it never comes to pass. I really do.

Posted by: perturbed at February 08, 2013 01:53 PM (u6Ueb)

161 The good side of this? If we take back the WH in 2016 and own the House
and Senate, look to see "Surplus" ammo for sale mid 2017.



It's raining rounds *clap* Halleluiah!!!

Posted by: EC at February 08, 2013 01:53 PM (GQ8sn)

162 It's his father's cellphone.Posted by: Walken at February 08, 2013 01:51 PM (MMC8r)And we have a winner.

Posted by: garrett at February 08, 2013 01:53 PM (rfeES)

163 136 NDH,

Correct the US military burned through ~6 million rounds a month on average in the Iraqi war....

72 million rounds per year. You use live ammo in training only to zero and qualify with your weapon in CONUS and hit your Table 8 and other Table certs on the ramp up to launch....

DoD having stockpiles...not a problem....

FBI buying 100,000,000 hollowpoints at a time?

Problem.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 08, 2013 01:53 PM (LRFds)

164 Prince George's County Police are capable of shooting several million rounds into a family dog while on a raid to an incorrect address.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at February 08, 2013 01:53 PM (l3vZN)

165 Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at February 08, 2013 01:50 PM (szUf0)

Get her phone number for me.

Posted by: Country Singer at February 08, 2013 01:53 PM (L8r/r)

166 112 alright- enough fooling around


I want the HTML code for ampersand or the blog gets it
Posted by: Assault Jones in Assault, CO at February 08, 2013 01:46 PM (8sCoq)

________________


&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

Assault Ampersands--you can't handle it.

Posted by: tasker at February 08, 2013 01:53 PM (r2PLg)

167 Serious question: Has anyone seen (valid) reports that the government is working on the front end to ]make it harder for ammo suppliers to ramp up production?

This could be simple gov't being dumbasses. But if they actively stop manufacturers from expanding capacity or whatever, then that is a full-on plan to fuck with our ability to get ammo.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at February 08, 2013 01:53 PM (X/+QT)

168
contraband list.

32oz Slurpy cup (500ct sleeve is a 10yr fed wrap.)

Guns (black guns are more scary than Blond guns)

Lard.

Posted by: 13times at February 08, 2013 01:53 PM (h6XiD)

169 >Everyone says the same thing -- can't find ammunition anywhere, they're all sold out.


My local gun store has ammo

recently got 50x .38 Special FMJ for $21

Lellier ampersand Bellot (CZ)

Posted by: Assault Jones in Assault, CO at February 08, 2013 01:53 PM (8sCoq)

170 "Older people 60+ won't be fighting."

You really should run down and hang out your local VFW Hall sometimes. Especially here lately....

Posted by: B at February 08, 2013 01:53 PM (Pson9)

171 I was checking out the true hotty at the next table.
She's discussing with her girlfriend guns, her CCW, and the coming apocolypse.
"If I had 100K to spend on guns right now, I would".


So.

You going to make a move, or what?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 08, 2013 01:53 PM (8y9MW)

172 Nobody will manufacture ammo after all these assault weapons become illegal.

Since the proposal is to make everybody turn their assault weapons in, it would only make sense to have a nice stockpile of ammo already.

See? Perfectly logical and reasonable explanation.
Nothing to be alarmed about.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 08, 2013 01:54 PM (Qxe/p)

173 155 Billy Bob,

and at a minimum remember there are lots of ways to "fight"...safehouses come to mind.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 08, 2013 01:54 PM (LRFds)

174 Does the DMV have a SWAT Team?

It probably fucking shood.

***

But it would take them 10 minutes to rise from the van. Then they'd have to stop for coffee before taking position.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 08, 2013 01:54 PM (piMMO)

175 By the way, on Twitter @LilMissRightie is RTing all sorts of libs praising the cop killer.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 08, 2013 01:55 PM (T0NGe)

176 >



Assault Ampersands--you can't handle it.

Posted by: tasker at February 08, 2013 01:53 PM (r2PLg)



That's a nice suit, Mr Takagi. It would be a shame to ruin it...

Posted by: Assault Jones in Assault, CO at February 08, 2013 01:55 PM (8sCoq)

177 "Bull Shit on that. Most resistance will come from people over 60. We remember what freedom is about."


Yeah, I know plenty of people over 60 who would gladly fight if it came to it. Most of them are fine shots too.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 08, 2013 01:55 PM (DvVVN)

178 Posted on the last thread but reposting here -

From the Oak Ridge Council Meeting

http://tinyurl.com/ah9tsc2


William Frail had an M-1 rifle on his shoulder as he testified. "Sir, my mother was Jew," he said. "My family went to the chambers. I will not go into the night quietly while these two ask me to board the train."

Posted by: RWC at February 08, 2013 01:55 PM (fWAjv)

179 Everyone needs to rethink their math on the population in a resistance scenario. Posted by: WheelmanForHire at February 08, 2013 01:47 PM (l8nIR)

You're lecturing us on math?

There are 313 million people in the U.S.

Your figures - leaving out the categories that obviously overlap - add up to 350 million.

Or was your post satire and I just missed it?


Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 08, 2013 01:55 PM (sbV1u)

180 Freeze MutherFockah!

Posted by: Smithsonian Institute SWAT Team at February 08, 2013 01:55 PM (40pJN)

181 lessee... according to 1930s Marxist theory, fascism is a form of extreme capitalism. Gov't causes prices to go up (blames big business), shortages occur (big business causes that, too), "civil disobedience" starts and gets way out of hand... what could possibly happen next?
Yeah, that, maybe

and if the MSM treats this as a non-story, like they treated benghazi as a non-story... well, maybe the Birchers were on to something, just a few decades too soon.

Posted by: mallfly at February 08, 2013 01:55 PM (bJm7W)

182 Drudge loves that fucking loon. he can't go a day without linking some of Alex Jones' stupidity.

Posted by: vote Lord Humungus 2016 at February 08, 2013 01:56 PM (HEa5q)

183 No good will come of this, and it has been going on for sometime...The ATF is already the drunken cowboys of the country, followed by the LAPD shooting newspaper delivering Mehican Women, I mean who the fuck is qualifying these scrunts to shoot?

Posted by: Clemenza at February 08, 2013 01:56 PM (Q8Pu5)

184 I recall them answering this questions. They said it was the security at the different agencies and for range practice

That is what they've said. And it doesn't square the circle. They need more rounds than the US Military uses in a year in Afghanistan for "security and range practice?"

Does not pass the smell test.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 08, 2013 01:56 PM (8y9MW)

185 >Does the DMV have a SWAT Team?


Yes, but they stand outside the door for 90 minutes before busting in

Posted by: Assault Jones in Assault, CO at February 08, 2013 01:56 PM (8sCoq)

186 I think that school crossing guards should have a SWAT Team.
/

Posted by: LGoPs at February 08, 2013 01:56 PM (4x8W0)

187 Anyone else notice that, with the exception of the Breitbart link, all the other links/stories are from August, 2012? Not old but I think this is something we already discussed back in August.

Posted by: Tami at February 08, 2013 01:56 PM (X6akg)

188 Ban government assault credit cards!

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at February 08, 2013 01:56 PM (bGlsD)

189 My theory on the mass ammo buys is that the government knows major inflation is coming.

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at February 08, 2013 01:57 PM (wWZWw)

190 72 million rounds per year. You use live ammo in training only to zero and qualify with your weapon in CONUS and hit your Table 8 and other Table certs on the ramp up to launch...

***

72M and here the domestic agencies have purchased a total of 1.6B rounds of ammo in the last year or so.

Incredible.

Frightening.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 08, 2013 01:57 PM (piMMO)

191 I understand that there is some unwillingness to hang your hat on infowars credibility. But there are more reliable reports out there, which include links to source documents hosted on .gov sites.

For example: link in sig



It might not exactly support the terms of the OP, but it is in the spirit, click through to some of the GPO source docs.

Posted by: flounder at February 08, 2013 01:57 PM (Kkt/i)

192 It's really going to suck when we find out that the "nuts" were right all along.

Posted by: Who Knows at February 08, 2013 01:57 PM (W+Itt)

193 Directed @ Infowars


There's a shortage because there's a massive run. Capitalism 101. Come on guys. If you're gonna cheer lead for it, gotta understand the basics.

Posted by: palooka at February 08, 2013 01:57 PM (3BsIn)

194 170 "Older people 60+ won't be fighting."

You really should run down and hang out your local VFW Hall sometimes. Especially here lately....

Posted by: B at February 08, 2013 01:53 PM (Pson9)


I'm 65, and I'm meek, mild, and quiet.
As far as anybody knows.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 08, 2013 01:57 PM (Qxe/p)

195 A visual representation of how I feel at the moment:

http://bit.ly/aJdNqP


Seriously. Actual real reality is far freakier than Ancient Aliens.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 08, 2013 01:57 PM (VtjlW)

196 I think Public Library's should have their own SWAT Team.
/

Posted by: LGoPs at February 08, 2013 01:57 PM (4x8W0)

197
I don't know what you think needs to be checked out because the story comes from infowars. The motive?? Nobody can check the supposed motive.

That the government is hoarding ammo at preposterous levels is absolutely true, just about every single agency in the federal government (including ones like the department of education) has been stockpiling weapons and ammo for quite a few years now, and that's verifiable from plenty of sources.

I wondered myself if it is not an attempt to jack up ammo prices and decrease availability, but there's no way to prove what motivates it.

Posted by: Entropy at February 08, 2013 01:58 PM (TULs6)

198 I noticed the August 2012 date also...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at February 08, 2013 01:58 PM (9+ccr)

199 >>>Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 08, 2013 01:54 PM (Qxe/p)

Layers of stoopid.
1. .223 and .308 are not going away period. They are too popular. They will be continued to be manufactured even if all semiautomatic weapons were made illegal.
2. When the government takes guns they don't keep them for potential use they destroy them.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 08, 2013 01:58 PM (0q2P7)

200 @173

Come on over, I have lots of shotguns and shells. Need 9mm and 5.7 28 and 556, but with 20 shotguns, my house will be safe till we run out of the 50 cases of shotguns shells in my garage .

Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 08, 2013 01:58 PM (wR+pz)

201 Posted by: JHW at February 08, 2013 01:51 PM (B38OD)


You need a Federal License to be able to manufacture and sell ammunition... just like guns...

So as THEY control the amount of licenses...

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 08, 2013 01:59 PM (lZBBB)

202 Come on over, I have lots of shotguns and shells. Need 9mm and 5.7 28
and 556, but with 20 shotguns, my house will be safe till we run out of
the 50 cases of shotguns shells in my garage .


Pity about that tragic boating accident, really.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 08, 2013 01:59 PM (8y9MW)

203

I expect the past to be repeated, at some time...

Could be now, or in the near future, or maybe never.

The likelihood that it's never is slight.

I'm a fairly negative asshole, so I could be wrong.

But it's not like this kind of shit has never ever never happened before.

It's in the playbook of the liberals. It's one of the first steps.

There are people who believe this is a great idea.

Posted by: Rev dr E buzz at February 08, 2013 01:59 PM (raGXo)

204 Older people 60+ won't be fighting.150,000,000
Posted by: WheelmanForHire at February 08, 2013 01:47 PM (l8nIR)

While I'm not yet 60 myself, I'm getting there, so I know why your statement is false. The reason you've never fought a guy over 60 is because he would just shoot you and you would be dead and you wouldn't be reading this right now.

Posted by: troyriser at February 08, 2013 01:59 PM (vtiE6)

205 How do recent purchases match up with agency purchases during the Bush and Clinton eras?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 08, 2013 01:59 PM (piMMO)

206 There are 150 million people over 60 in the US? What? Isn't the population just a shade above 350 million?

Posted by: Truck Monkey at February 08, 2013 01:59 PM (jucos)

207 >
I think Public Library's should have their own SWAT Team.


Lots of high-caliber shushing

Posted by: Assault Jones in Assault, CO at February 08, 2013 02:00 PM (8sCoq)

208 192It's really going to suck when we find out that the "nuts" were right all along. Posted by: Who Knows at February 08, 2013 01:57 PM (W+Itt) I think Ace might already have a taste of that brew.

Posted by: maddogg at February 08, 2013 02:00 PM (OlN4e)

209 190 NDH,

I'm just saying the military which is unarguably better pound for pound than many LE get to burn MAYBE ~200 rounds per year for the average Infantryman and maybe ~120 for most non combat arms guys unless they are in the pipe to go to the dirt.....

even down range they burn 5.5-10 million rounds in a war.....

I am not being "nutso coo coo cor KoKo puffs" but this is a LOT of ammo being acquired.

The average security guard does NOT put 300 down the pipe per year on the company dime.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 08, 2013 02:00 PM (LRFds)

210 The government has signed contracts for ammunition but are they demanding delivery in the next 18 months or so that would interfere with civilian supply? Or are they just stocking up over the course of the next ten years?

Posted by: toby928© making it personal at February 08, 2013 02:00 PM (QupBk)

211 ZOMG Alex Jones was right!

*said no one ever*

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at February 08, 2013 02:00 PM (+lsX1)

212 re: Washington Free Beacon, Washington Examiner, Daily Caller, Breitbart-- you guys want to look into this?

The DC had stories about it, back when the buys were made public, but those pages are gone now. No idea why. The DC isn't...open, editorially.

As said above, "the links don't end at Infowars, they end at the actual agency solicitations."

Those are at fbo.gov. It's not easy to search for things there, but you can.

Y'know, you.

Posted by: oblig. at February 08, 2013 02:00 PM (cePv8)

213 Ace,
thanks for the correction on the thread. I am in the middle of discussing blogging in the meatworld, and someone had brought up what we would call memory holing.
this gives me the opportunity to show how an ethical blogger deal with corrections.
thanks again

Posted by: VIA, on the tiny keyboard at February 08, 2013 02:00 PM (n/KHD)

214 @ 194 they will be the only ones doing the fighting because everyone else has been Cairoed..

Posted by: Clemenza at February 08, 2013 02:00 PM (Q8Pu5)

215 189 they know a crash.in entitlements may come. there are contingency plans in place for mass rioting now

Posted by: Smithsonian Institute SWAT Team at February 08, 2013 02:00 PM (40pJN)

216 197

they gonna get dem libertarians

Posted by: JDP at February 08, 2013 02:00 PM (60GaT)

217 I think it would be a great idea if the Federal Government took over the Boy Scouts and the Girl Scouts. And gave them their own SWAT Teams.

And they could rename them and call them Young Pioneers or something.
/

Posted by: LGoPs at February 08, 2013 02:01 PM (4x8W0)

218 114
Everyone needs to rethink their math on the population in a resistance scenario.

325,000,000
Young people 0-18 won't be fighting.
200,000,000
Older people 60+ won't be fighting.
150,000,000
Females with families won't be fighting.
90,000,000
Those objecting and the complacent won't fight.
30,000,000




Posted by: WheelmanForHire at February 08, 2013 01:47 PM

What makes you think they'd be fighting in a big line like the old wars

There are thousands of L.E. looking for ONE guy in SoCal right now

If there's a panic or a multiple case of shooters, the drones will be too afraid to step outside and the economy collapses. Goons don't work for free and expect to be paid

Posted by: kbdabear at February 08, 2013 02:01 PM (wwsoB)

219 Layers of stoopid.
1. .223 and .308 are not going away period. They are too popular. They will be continued to be manufactured even if all semiautomatic weapons were made illegal.
2. When the government takes guns they don't keep them for potential use they destroy them.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 08, 2013 01:58 PM (0q2P7)


You really suck at believing perfectly logical conspiracies.
And maybe I should put a /sarc tag next time.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 08, 2013 02:01 PM (Qxe/p)

220 Ace,

Infowars did link the agency request from a DHS.gov site so the request itself is legit. I saw the PDF of the request myself and it does indeed exist. While Infowars is suspect, the .gov site and the requests aren't.

Posted by: EC at February 08, 2013 02:01 PM (GQ8sn)

221 193 Patoikis,

Yeah hey you know what?

The articles are from Aug 2012....

try try try again tiger

Posted by: sven10077 at February 08, 2013 02:02 PM (LRFds)

222
And they could rename them and call them Obama Youth Corps Young Pioneers or something.

Posted by: garrett at February 08, 2013 02:02 PM (rfeES)

223 61

The only problem with this theory is that the government is largely
buying .40sw, one of the few rounds I've seen available on the shelves
since this current crisis. I can't find any .22 lr, but I have seen 40sw
and 45acp.

This ammo shortage is caused by civilians stocking up for their own little personal homeland security.

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at February 08, 2013 01:39 PM (wWZWw)

This.

Posted by: flounder at February 08, 2013 02:02 PM (Kkt/i)

224 On the plus side, I got half my body weight in 7.62R delivered today, so bite me .gov

Posted by: toby928© making it personal at February 08, 2013 02:02 PM (QupBk)

225 A Sri Lankan prisoner who tried to hide his mobile
phone during a search of his cell was caught out when guards heard ring
tones from his rear-end, a hospital official said on Friday.




And, on the other end of the line: "Damn, I wonder why that asshole won't pick up?"

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 08, 2013 02:02 PM (673KB)

226 Yeah, I know plenty of people over 60 who would gladly fight if it came to it. Most of them are fine shots too.
Posted by: Burn the Witch
***

My dad target shoots. He can do head shots at 600 yards.
I stay on good terms with him.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 08, 2013 02:03 PM (uhftQ)

227 189 they know a crash.in entitlements may come. there are contingency plans in place for mass rioting now
Posted by: Smithsonian Institute SWAT Team at February 08, 2013 02:00 PM (40pJN)
---------------------------------------------------
May come? Forgone conclusion. I say 6 to 10 years at most.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at February 08, 2013 02:03 PM (jucos)

228 While I'm not yet 60 myself, I'm getting there, so I know why your
statement is false. The reason you've never fought a guy over 60 is
because he would just shoot you and you would be dead and you wouldn't
be reading this right now.


Yeah. The old fogies largely believe that if they're "fighting" they did something wrong.

It's like the question of a Ninja vs. a Samurai- yes, in a straight-up fight, Samurai wins hands-down. If a ninja lets it get to "straight-up fight" he did something very, very wrong.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 08, 2013 02:03 PM (8y9MW)

229 >>>And maybe I should put a /sarc tag next time.

Yeah my sarc meter is really spotty. Maybe I should get it Cal'd.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 08, 2013 02:03 PM (0q2P7)

230
We have a Marxist Bully in the White House...who has said in an off-teleprompter-moment, that he wanted to establish his own 'police force' that was as well-armed as the military.

So, it's not crazy to be a little 'paranoid' when so many scary things are going on, all at once.

Posted by: wheatie at February 08, 2013 02:04 PM (BZMZX)

231 Nobody uses hollow-point rounds for maintaining proficiency or target practice due to their higher cost compared to FMJ rounds in the same caliber. There is only one purpose for hollow-point rounds and it wise to be suspicious.

Posted by: Sewer Urchin at February 08, 2013 02:04 PM (U7fd1)

232 And they could rename them and call them Obama Youth Corps Young Pioneers or something. Posted by: garrett at February 08, 2013 02:02 PM (rfeES)

Just for tradition's sake I think they would go with Der Obama Jugend

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 08, 2013 02:04 PM (sbV1u)

233 Too bad the gun ranges around here insist on keeping your brass.

WTF?

Posted by: The Hobo Wears Tactical Prada at February 08, 2013 02:04 PM (Z5BDI)

234 Has anybody thought of calling up the firearms manufacturers and asking them what going on?

ace... ace... ace... ace...

Posted by: Steve Martin, not longer really funny at February 08, 2013 02:04 PM (kqqGm)

235

That the government is hoarding ammo at preposterous levels is
absolutely true, just about every single agency in the federal
government (including ones like the department of education) has been
stockpiling weapons and ammo for quite a few years now, and that's
verifiable from plenty of sources.



Listen, we can't discount the idea that the gov't is prepping for some type of insurrection. However, we also don't have tobuy that with the only evidence being large purchases.

I got another theory: Zero based Budgeting

They are flush with cash, can hire enough people, and the purchasing departments think buying a lot of weaponry is sexy.

It's pricy, easier to warehouse than equivalent amounts of reams of paper, and it looks badass.

Yes, it is troubling that the gov't is buying LOTS of ammo. But I'm not ready to start wearing my ballistic vest to bed just yet.

Keeping a weather eye out is good. Getting anxious about it is not.

Posted by: imp at February 08, 2013 02:05 PM (UaxA0)

236
>>Too bad the gun ranges around here insist on keeping your brass.

Where are you, Moscow?

Posted by: garrett at February 08, 2013 02:05 PM (rfeES)

237 Obama Jugend. Pronounced Yoo-gend.

Posted by: LGoPs at February 08, 2013 02:05 PM (4x8W0)

238 Wow! I have a great idea for a TV series:

Law and Order: Department of Education Cop

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 08, 2013 02:05 PM (C8mVl)

239 On the plus side, I got half my body weight in 7.62R delivered today, so bite me .gov
Posted by: toby928© making it personal at February 08, 2013 02:02 PM (QupBk)

atta boy

Posted by: The Jackhole at February 08, 2013 02:05 PM (nTgAI)

240 I must be out of the loop. Why are people stockpiling .22 ammo?

Posted by: 13times at February 08, 2013 02:05 PM (h6XiD)

241 Yeah. The old fogies largely believe that if they're "fighting" they did something wrong.

It's like the question of a Ninja vs. a Samurai- yes, in a straight-up fight, Samurai wins hands-down. If a ninja lets it get to "straight-up fight" he did something very, very wrong.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 08, 2013 02:03 PM (8y9MW)


Or, as I frequently put it: "Old age and treachery will always overcome youth and skill."

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 08, 2013 02:05 PM (Qxe/p)

242 Has anybody thought of calling up the firearms manufacturers and asking them what going on?

Layers of editorial control on our budget?

Posted by: toby928© making it personal at February 08, 2013 02:05 PM (QupBk)

243 Too bad the gun ranges around here insist on keeping your brass.


The one I use recycles the brass (sells it for recycling, anyway) to help keep their costs down.

That said, you're expected to sweep your own brass, so if you really wanted, you could keep it.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 08, 2013 02:05 PM (8y9MW)

244 Too bad the gun ranges around here insist on keeping your brass. WTF?
Posted by: The Hobo Wears Tactical Prada
***

Mo money, mo money, mo money!

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 08, 2013 02:05 PM (uhftQ)

245 Isn't there a simple way to answer this.

FOIA the last 10 years of ammo purchases by each of the respective agencies and see if this is way outside the norm.

I hope our new media is on the ball with this, as these very large ammo purchases by the government have been known for 6 months now.

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 08, 2013 02:06 PM (tVTLU)

246 Heh, look at the original source for your news story.

Posted by: Piers Morgan at February 08, 2013 02:06 PM (F6KtL)

247 >>>And maybe I should put a /sarc tag next time.

To me this whole thread is what happens when you freebase colloidal aluminum for too long. I have no doubt that when I find out why the Government is buying huge amounts of ammo that I will be very unhappy. I am equally positive it has nothing to do with trying to exhaust the supply so civilians can't buy ammo.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 08, 2013 02:06 PM (0q2P7)

248 Too bad the gun ranges around here insist on keeping your brass. Where are you, Moscow?
Posted by: garrett at February 08, 2013 02:05 PM (rfeES)

At my range you can keep your brass, but you can't pick up others. Although I have asked people if they are keeping their brass and they usually give it to me.

Posted by: The Jackhole at February 08, 2013 02:06 PM (nTgAI)

249 Think logistics at any rate. The government strike teams would need fuel and food, and being government they put it all in one place to be administered by corrupt and idiotic hacks

Posted by: kbdabear at February 08, 2013 02:06 PM (wwsoB)

250 I can't believe that even these chuckleheads would do something that ridiculous. Bullets are easy to make; lots of companies make them. If a big purchaser causes shortages, prices rise, which attracts more production. It's Econ 101!

Come to think of it, this administration flunked econ 101. Never mind ...

Posted by: Brown Line at February 08, 2013 02:06 PM (HRi10)

251 won't click on infowars......worse than zero hedge....ugh

Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at February 08, 2013 02:06 PM (GVxQo)

252 I must be out of the loop. Why are people stockpiling .22 ammo?
Posted by: 13times
***

Assault rabbits with big pointy teeth.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 08, 2013 02:07 PM (uhftQ)

253 While I'm not yet 60 myself, I'm getting there, so I know why your statement is false. The reason you've never fought a guy over 60 is because he would just shoot you and you would be dead and you wouldn't be reading this right now.

****

My grandparents were in the car, at a red light, when a mouthy woman jumped out and ran up to the passenger side of the car. My grandmother rolled down the window to see what she wanted and she slapped my grandmother's face and yelled something about the red light.

As she returned to her car, my grandfather reached into his glovebox and retrieved his .38. He exited the car and they saw the gun. The women squealed their tires making a left turn over the median to get away from him.

I have no doubt in my mind that, damn the consequences, my grandfather would have killed the woman where she stood.

Had he shot her, it is doubtful he would have spent a single night in jail in Clay County, FL.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 08, 2013 02:07 PM (piMMO)

254 Rush has wasted about 2 hours talking about snowstorm. I know he's having fun mocking journalists, but still, gotta be the worst show ever.

All those bullets have to be stored somewhere. Ripe for stealing if the status of shit gets upgraded to Really Real.

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at February 08, 2013 02:07 PM (UU0OF)

255 Nobody uses hollow-point rounds for maintaining proficiency or target
practice due to their higher cost compared to FMJ rounds in the same
caliber. There is only one purpose for hollow-point rounds and it wise
to be suspicious.



THIS.

Posted by: EC at February 08, 2013 02:07 PM (GQ8sn)

256 82 they really really really really want to grab our guns.

------------

That's crazy talk.

http://tinyurl.com/a4swx4t (link to weasel zippers)

Posted by: Assault Citizen Anachronda at February 08, 2013 02:07 PM (NmR1a)

257 Why are people stockpiling .22 ammo?

Because it's one of the most common calibers? Of the guns I inherited from my Grand Father (before they were lost in that tragic boating accident) I think 3 are .22LR bolt-action rifles. Errr... were. Were .22LR bolt-action rifles.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 08, 2013 02:08 PM (8y9MW)

258 >>>A Sri Lankan prisoner who tried to hide his mobile phone during a search

of his cell was caught out when guards heard ring tones from his

rear-end, a hospital official said on Friday.

Now that's butt dialing!

Posted by: Roland THTG at February 08, 2013 02:08 PM (QM5S2)

259 If you like your brass, you can keep your brass.

Posted by: The Hobo Wears Tactical Prada at February 08, 2013 02:08 PM (Z5BDI)

260 Welp, I guess they don't call it Info Wars for nothing.

Posted by: Shoot Me at February 08, 2013 02:08 PM (qiXMt)

261 158
Proposition her. Violate your wedding vows, if any.
Posted by: joncelli at February 08, 2013 01:52 PM (RD7QR)


But do it v-e-r-y carefully.

Posted by: rickl at February 08, 2013 02:08 PM (zoehZ)

262 >I got another theory: Zero based Budgeting


Correct. In government, the way you prove your agency needs more funding is to spend every dollar you have. So you buy stuff: cars, office furniture, travel, ammunition...

Posted by: Assault Jones in Assault, CO at February 08, 2013 02:09 PM (8sCoq)

263 @247: It's going to be distributed to mosques nationwide for Muslim outreach. Obama uniquely understands their special cultural traditions, like "shooting the kuffar" and wishes to facilitate them.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 08, 2013 02:09 PM (B/VB5)

264 All those bullets have to be stored somewhere. Ripe for stealing if the status of shit gets upgraded to Really Real.

That's what I was thinking.

Posted by: Roland THTG at February 08, 2013 02:09 PM (QM5S2)

265 Now that's butt dialing!

Booty call.


Denounced.

Posted by: eleven at February 08, 2013 02:09 PM (fsLdt)

266 Posted by: Steve Martin, not longer really funny at February 08, 2013 02:04 PM (kqqGm)

Here ya go: http://preview.tinyurl.com/ahzw6f9

Take the Bob Owens blurb at the bottom however you want to, though.

Posted by: Country Singer at February 08, 2013 02:09 PM (L8r/r)

267 All those bullets have to be stored somewhere. Ripe for stealing if the status of shit gets upgraded to Really Real.

Daily Caller had a story about that. The ammo is stored in unmarked transport containers like the ones you see on tractor trailers. They are pre-positioned around the country. The DC article said something about DHS moving them around because someone got suspicious about them.

So yes, if you can identify one and break into it, you've got a small fortune in ammo.

Posted by: EC at February 08, 2013 02:09 PM (GQ8sn)

268 There are a lot of older calibers - .45-70 Government, .44-40, etc., that are designed to run on black powder. Primers can be made using caps from cap-guns, Foxfire 5 has basic instructions on how to make gunpowder from scratch, and lead melts at campfire temperature heats.
Jest sayin'....

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 08, 2013 02:10 PM (yWUmv)

269 I don't think its about money running out, it's about inflation. They will always just print more money to solve the problem. Inflation is a silent killer.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at February 08, 2013 02:10 PM (NzBQO)

270 Large bureaucracies whose main jobs have nothing to do with weapons stockpiling ammo. I just can't see what could possibly go wrong here. Some dock worker is gonna be giving himself a fast and furious bonus soon though I bet.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 08, 2013 02:10 PM (81UWZ)

271 I can't believe that even these chuckleheads would do something that
ridiculous. Bullets are easy to make; lots of companies make them. If a
big purchaser causes shortages, prices rise, which attracts more
production. It's Econ 101!


Problem (noted previously) manufacturing ammunition (for resale) requires a Federal License. All the (currently) licensed manufacturers are already working at capacity.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 08, 2013 02:10 PM (8y9MW)

272 >>>Now that's butt dialing! >>>Booty call. >>>Denounced.

He was just talking out his ass...

Posted by: LGoPs at February 08, 2013 02:10 PM (4x8W0)

273
OK. Conspiracy theories.
1.gov. istrying to drive up the cost of ammo to shmucks like us.
2.They will keep buying ammo until manufacturers incur major expenses to ramp up production then stop purchasing, putting manaufacturers in difficult financial positions.
I saw this happen in the medical industry. Big companies would buy up a new widget from a startup, and stockpile it. It never made it into the hospitals. Then stop buying it with the intention of putting that company out of business, thenmanufacturingthe widget itself.Just sayin.

Posted by: Guido at February 08, 2013 02:10 PM (XLuH2)

274
I am not being "nutso coo coo cor KoKo puffs" but this is a LOT of ammo being acquired.

***

Perhaps I wasn't clear enough.

I agree COMPLETELY.

It is frightening.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 08, 2013 02:10 PM (piMMO)

275 InforWars notwithstanding, I've wondered for a while if this wasn't one of the things Obama meant when he told Sarah Brady he was doing "under the radar" gun control.

Posted by: Andy at February 08, 2013 02:10 PM (OZPoa)

276 Large bureaucracies whose main jobs have nothing to do with weapons stockpiling ammo. I just can't see what could possibly go wrong here. Some dock worker is gonna be giving himself a fast and furious bonus soon though I bet.
Posted by: Buzzsaw
***

If they sell some to me I'm ok with it.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 08, 2013 02:11 PM (uhftQ)

277 “civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded"


Wonder what he meant by that. Not surprised nobody has asked him.

Posted by: RWC at February 08, 2013 02:11 PM (fWAjv)

278 257

surly attitude noted, thanks.


Posted by: 13times at February 08, 2013 02:11 PM (h6XiD)

279 Posted by: 13times at February 08, 2013 02:05 PM (h6XiD)

Prepper theory has it that .22 (along with other calibers, but primarily .22) becomes currency after TEOTWAWKI.

Posted by: Country Singer at February 08, 2013 02:11 PM (L8r/r)

280 240
I must be out of the loop. Why are people stockpiling .22 ammo?


Posted by: 13times at February 08, 2013 02:05 PM (h6XiD)

Mostly because it is cheap and so are 22LR guns, but it is hard to find a 10/22 anywhere right now.

Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 08, 2013 02:12 PM (wR+pz)

281
Inflation is a silent killer.


I thought I was the invisible killer?

Posted by: C O at February 08, 2013 02:12 PM (rfeES)

282 271 Allen G,

I never sell ammo....

I give it away.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 08, 2013 02:12 PM (LRFds)

283 A phone in the rectal cavity?
Talk about crappy reception!

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 08, 2013 02:12 PM (uhftQ)

284 The government is not stock piling weapons to use against the US populous. I just don't see any real evidence

Posted by: Charlottan at February 08, 2013 02:12 PM (JltD6)

285 152---
I wouldn't count out grandpas. If anything they'd be like "hell I'm going to kick the bucket soon anyways".
It would make Afghanistan look rule-able.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 08, 2013 01:51 PM (xAtAj)
----------------------------
Exactly.
Plus, as soon as your kids are grown, you can take risks. Parents of small kids have conflicting responsibilities.
Old people are dangerous.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 08, 2013 02:12 PM (C8mVl)

286 I'd be concerned about the safety of black market ammo

Posted by: Assault Jones in Assault, CO at February 08, 2013 02:12 PM (8sCoq)

287 >>>There are a lot of older calibers - .45-70 Government, .44-40, etc.


44-40? You mean the round that get's outperformed by modern archery equipment?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 08, 2013 02:12 PM (0q2P7)

288 Take this information with the caution to remember that not everyone in the military, police, etc will be on 'our side'.

Ceasar was just one man.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at February 08, 2013 02:13 PM (X/+QT)

289 Does the Department of Widows and Orphans have its own SWAT Team? If not, it should.
/

Posted by: LGoPs at February 08, 2013 02:13 PM (4x8W0)

290 The ammo is stored in unmarked transport containers like the ones you
see on tractor trailers. They are pre-positioned around the country.



damn. It really is the X-Files around here.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 08, 2013 02:13 PM (/kI1Q)

291 I'm not surprised by SS admin purchase. They have hundreds of field offices around. If there's an armed guard at even every other one, that ammo buy is only enough for training and initial qualification of each guard.

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 08, 2013 02:13 PM (J6hHs)

292 let's go back to talking about requiring gun insurance for a moment.
what were the main causes of the demise of the muscle cars as we remember them?
fuel cost, and insurance.

Posted by: VIA, on the tiny keyboard at February 08, 2013 02:14 PM (n/KHD)

293 280 Billy Bob,

also a silenced .22 with finely tuned reflex scope is a quite popular toy in Chechnya

Posted by: sven10077 at February 08, 2013 02:14 PM (LRFds)

294 Prepper theory has it that .22 (along with other calibers, but primarily .22) becomes currency after TEOTWAWKI.
Posted by: Country Singer
***

I would argue that toilet paper, alcohol, and cigarettes would be currency.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 08, 2013 02:14 PM (uhftQ)

295 268 There are a lot of older calibers - .45-70 Government, .44-40, etc., that are designed to run on black powder. Primers can be made using caps from cap-guns, Foxfire 5 has basic instructions on how to make gunpowder from scratch, and lead melts at campfire temperature heats.
Jest sayin'....

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 08, 2013 02:10 PM (yWUmv)


When I had the tragic boating accident, those things weren't in the collection at the time.

Unpopular calibers, though -- you can't hold the weapon at your crotch without severe amounts of regret.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 08, 2013 02:14 PM (Qxe/p)

296 I'm way late to this tinfoil hat party but they really are buying all of that ammo. www.fbo.gov has the RFPs. Also, if you're just keeping your skills up, you do it with FMJ, not hollowpoints.

Posted by: Ima Wurdibitsch at February 08, 2013 02:14 PM (otfJ1)

297
Course doesn't matter right now what the use is for, only whether or not these assault ammo purchases come with assault magazines.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 08, 2013 02:14 PM (p/cQy)

298
"They are flush with cash, can hire enough people, and the purchasing departments think buying a lot of weaponry is sexy."
^^^ This, people. It's not just ammo - agencies have been/are buying up every da*n thing in sight. Fed employees are getting pretty good stuff - massive purchases in computers electronics in general, light duty automobiles, you name it - there's a reason why "vendor partners" are making insane $$$ right now.
The troubling issue isn't that the purchase levels are insane, it's that no one in DC, er, District 1 is saying "whoa"...

Posted by: Jess1 at February 08, 2013 02:14 PM (lbiWb)

299 Going to be interesting to see how long the ammo thing lasts.

I have a friend that shoots trap competitively. He said they are having a hard time finding ammo of any sort to shot that is not outrageously expensive.

The wholesaler that they buy from is out.

Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 08, 2013 02:14 PM (wR+pz)

300 I thought I was the invisible killer?
Posted by: C O at February 08, 2013 02:12 PM (rfeES)
--------------------------------------------------------
That would be me.

Posted by: Silent, But Deadly, Fart at February 08, 2013 02:14 PM (jucos)

301 Because buying all of that ammunition would not encourage an ammunition manufacturer to increase production. No sir!

Posted by: Mikey NTH - It's Not Me, Babe at February 08, 2013 02:14 PM (hLRSq)

302
"Nobody uses hollow-point rounds for maintaining proficiency or target
practice due to their higher cost compared to FMJ rounds in the same
caliber. There is only one purpose for hollow-point rounds and it wise
to be suspicious."

OTOH, there a particular strain of LEO training thought that, even though they qualify once or twice a year and are largely horrible shots, they should use the real deal for it and not anything cost-effective like reloads and such.

Is government. Is illogical.

Posted by: Jaws at February 08, 2013 02:15 PM (4I3Uo)

303
Problem (noted previously) manufacturing ammunition (for resale) requires a Federal License. All the (currently) licensed manufacturers are already working at capacity.

Posted by: AllenG




Is there also some regulation preventing importation of foreign produced ammo to meet demand? A phony baloney 200% excise tax or something?

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 08, 2013 02:15 PM (kdS6q)

304 Nothing wrong with infowars...you just have to use your head about some of the dots they connect..... also, they DID link the GAO request for quote, so it's not like the basic facts were just shot out of their asses......

Posted by: Porkkky at February 08, 2013 02:15 PM (lSzZO)

305 I must be out of the loop. Why are people stockpiling .22 ammo?

Squirrels, possums, and if the SHTF, the .22 and a steady hand will get you more suitable hardware for free.

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 08, 2013 02:15 PM (J6hHs)

306 179 There are 313 million people in the U.S.Your figures - leaving out the categories that obviously overlap - add up to 350 million.Or was your post satire and I just missed it?

--------------

You're forgetting about the undocumenteds.

Posted by: Assault Citizen Anachronda at February 08, 2013 02:15 PM (FzhYM)

307 >>>>the Social Security Administration (?!?!?!) has purchased 174,000 rounds of ammunition (?!?!?!?!?!).


the most solvent stuff in the lock box and helpful for benefit cuts and means testing.

Posted by: No Feet Johnson at February 08, 2013 02:16 PM (KHo8t)

308 287 Mike the Moose,

.44WCF is ~ .45LC especially if reloaded.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 08, 2013 02:16 PM (LRFds)

309 Is there also some regulation preventing importation of foreign produced
ammo to meet demand? A phony baloney 200% excise tax or something?


Dunno. But it wouldn't surprise me.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 08, 2013 02:16 PM (8y9MW)

310 Well at least we dodged electing that inexperienced extremist, incompetent, Sarah Palin.
/

Posted by: LGoPs at February 08, 2013 02:16 PM (4x8W0)

311 OTOH, there a particular strain of LEO training thought that, even
though they qualify once or twice a year and are largely horrible shots,
they should use the real deal for it and not anything cost-effective
like reloads and such.


Wasting JHP ammo like that? With state budgets in the shitter like they are now?

That's beyond illogical!

Posted by: EC at February 08, 2013 02:16 PM (GQ8sn)

312
Yes, it is troubling that the gov't is buying LOTS of ammo. But I'm not ready to start wearing my ballistic vest to bed just yet.

Keeping a weather eye out is good. Getting anxious about it is not.


What's your point? My half-assed speculation was that they might be trying to dick with the demand side of the economics to try and make ammo less widely available.

That's nowhere near as far out as suggesting they're hoarding in preperation for civil insurrection.

And at this point people will probably try to tell me the gun shortage is driven by private demand. Duh. Of course it is. I said they might be trying, not that it's working, or the source of the current run.

Posted by: Entropy at February 08, 2013 02:16 PM (TULs6)

313
The .22 rimfire was the first successful mass produced self contained metallic cartridge, designed by Smith and Wesson. It is still most useful, and quite lethal within it's range of 100 yards or so. And high quality ammo is very accurate. My rifle will shoot dime sized groups at 50 yards with target ammo.
Not a bad caliber to horde.

Posted by: maddogg at February 08, 2013 02:16 PM (OlN4e)

314 Obviously, the shortage is because of all the endless, profligate shooting of skeet at Camp David.

Posted by: zsasz at February 08, 2013 02:16 PM (MMC8r)

315 >>>Prepper theory has it that .22 (along with other calibers, but primarily .22) becomes currency after TEOTWAWKI.

.22LR is a no go. Makes a supersonic boom and is a weak ass round. Now .22 short, excellent little small game round that doesn't go supersonic so has no report that can be heard more than about 20yds away.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 08, 2013 02:16 PM (0q2P7)

316 For anyone to convince me of some giant ammo-buying conspiracy, they need to show that these ammo purchases are much larger than purchases made in previous years. AFAIK no one has shown that they are any bigger than before.

Yes, it does seem like a lot of ammo. But it's being provided over multiple years, and like it or not there's well over 100,000 federal LEOs. Divide that out and it's not all that much ammo per officer. They have to qualify every so often, and they have to train too. And while you and I may not have the budget for training with defensive grade hollow points instead of FMJ, the feds do.

Posted by: ARL at February 08, 2013 02:17 PM (rNfpL)

317 Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 08, 2013 02:14 PM (uhftQ)

Those are also considered barter items, but booze can be made by virtually anyone and tobacco can be grown. TP is bulky and uses a lot of storage space.

Posted by: Country Singer at February 08, 2013 02:17 PM (L8r/r)

318 also a silenced .22 with finely tuned reflex scope is a quite popular toy in Chechnya


Posted by: sven10077 at February 08, 2013 02:14 PM (LRFds)
In my backyard too, just ask Mr Dead Crow with his buddy Mr Dead Squirrel.

Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 08, 2013 02:17 PM (wR+pz)

319 285...Plus, as soon as your kids are grown, you can take risks. Parents of small kids have conflicting responsibilities.
Old people are dangerous.


Which is why they so desperately wanted a government takeover of our Healthcare System.
'Death Panels', anyone?

And yeah,people with small children can be controlled...through their children.
Threaten their children's access to healthcare, and you control their parents.

Posted by: wheatie at February 08, 2013 02:17 PM (BZMZX)

320 Is it as difficult to smuggle 9mm ammo into the US as it is to smuggle cocaine?

Posted by: Mikey NTH - It's Not Me, Babe at February 08, 2013 02:17 PM (hLRSq)

321 .22lr is a great cartridge for urban sniping.

Posted by: garrett at February 08, 2013 02:18 PM (rfeES)

322 There are 120,000 fully authorized law enforcement offcers scattered around the various federal departments and agencies (fully authorized means they carry weapons and can make arrests). The solicitations for bids on these things should say something like "...five year supply of (whatever the caliber is).." To remain current these officers should be shooting a minimum of 100 rounds a month, 1200 rounds a year each. Over five years, that would run into some pretty big orders.

The real question is why do each of these agencies/depts. need their own LEO's. Why not beef up the Marshall's service or somesuch.

Posted by: Dennis at February 08, 2013 02:18 PM (bq+38)

323 The government will recoup the investment with bills for individual rounds.

Posted by: zsasz at February 08, 2013 02:18 PM (MMC8r)

324 #209, some years are better than others. In late '02 during our spin-up for CENTCOM OPPLAN 1003V, my company did a very intensive CQM cycle. I shot a minimum of 1500 rounds of 5.56mm ball per day for five days, one controlled pair at a time. And no, we were not in the Ranger Regiment, we just cribbed RTC 350-1 and 350-1-2 for the event.

Posted by: SGT Dan's Cat at February 08, 2013 02:18 PM (jCQ+I)

325 Nothing wrong with infowars...you just have to use your head about some of the dots they connect..

Yep. They're only a starting point for further drill down and research to see if its just making shit up, or there's something behind it.

The crank/substance ratio is not terribly favorable, but there are the occasional gems that make it worth a look once in a while.

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 08, 2013 02:19 PM (J6hHs)

326 FBI buying 100,000,000 hollowpoints at a time?

Problem.
Posted by: sven10077 at February 08, 2013 01:53 PM (LRFds)

Unless we know where they are keeping it.

Why do bank robbers rob banks?

Posted by: blindside at February 08, 2013 02:19 PM (x7g7t)

327 Meh...many of us make our own ammo...

...and Alex Jones should be given absolutely no credibility whatsoever after what he did to Michele Malkin. Fuck his fat, paranoid ass.

Posted by: Sgt. York at February 08, 2013 02:19 PM (jEvoA)

328 Those are also considered barter items, but booze can be made by virtually anyone and tobacco can be grown. TP is bulky and uses a lot of storage space.
Posted by: Country Singer
***

A lot of people can't change the oil in their cars, so them making alcohol or taking the time to grow tobacco? Unlikely. TP may be bulky, but there are only so many rags available.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 08, 2013 02:20 PM (uhftQ)

329 Speaking of guns, I bought "The Judge" last weekend in SS. 410 shells are cheap.


http://tinyurl.com/lcqdlg

Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 08, 2013 02:20 PM (wR+pz)

330 Has any moron done?

Register LAPD,
If it saves even one Blue Pickup it's worth it.

Too soon?, not funny?

Posted by: DaveA at February 08, 2013 02:20 PM (JJdOG)

331 320Is it as difficult to smuggle 9mm ammo into the US as it is to smuggle cocaine?Posted by: Mikey NTH - It's Not Me, Babe at February 08, 2013 02:17 PM (hLRSq) It might be a little more challenging to shove 10,000 dollars worth of 9mm up your ass.

Posted by: maddogg at February 08, 2013 02:20 PM (OlN4e)

332 For anyone to convince me of some giant ammo-buying conspiracy, they need to show that these ammo purchases are much larger than purchases made in previous years. AFAIK no one has shown that they are any bigger than before.

Good point.

Posted by: eleven at February 08, 2013 02:20 PM (fsLdt)

333

No kidding.

King POS has been using agencies left and right to hide his under-the-radar-policy-development.

As well as fake emails; outside the WH realm.

As well as meetings offsite so that they do not have to be reported.

You think his daily schedule is really blank?

Why would they be using taxpayer money, in piles, to buy up ammo?

Find out who exactly is profiting.

And, then, make your own bullets.

Why doesn't Williams-Sonoma have THAT in their agrarian Do-It-Yourself section?





Posted by: white beach at February 08, 2013 02:20 PM (LpQbZ)

334 Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 08, 2013 02:16 PM (0q2P7)

Yes, but...there are a lot more .22LR guns out there than .22short. The commonality of the gun makes the ammo more desirable for Post-SHTF barter purposes.

Posted by: Country Singer at February 08, 2013 02:20 PM (L8r/r)

335 Oh and I almost forgot. Thank God...er, um...Thank Mother Gaia that we've driven God out of the public square. Think how much worse things would be in schools, what with subjecting kids to the horror of a moment's silent prayer and other despicable things like that.
/

Posted by: LGoPs at February 08, 2013 02:20 PM (4x8W0)

336 a steady hand will get you more suitable hardware for free.>>

We air dropped in FP-45 Liberators into France in WWII for the same purpose.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FP-45_Liberator

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 08, 2013 02:20 PM (81UWZ)

337 >>>>.44WCF is ~ .45LC especially if reloaded.

A rifle round that compares favorably with a pistol round from the 1800's is not something to write home about. If I'm going to lug the rifle around I want a flat trajectory to and beyond 100yds. 44-40 does not deliver.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 08, 2013 02:20 PM (0q2P7)

338
>>>>the Social Security Administration (?!?!?!) has purchased 174,000 rounds of ammunition (?!?!?!?!?!).

Yes, and the Department of Education bought a bunch of shotguns too, and a few hundred thousand rounds of hollow point.

Posted by: Entropy at February 08, 2013 02:21 PM (TULs6)

339 44-40? You mean the round that get's outperformed by modern archery equipment?

I dunno about .44-40, but the .45-90 has about the same kinetic energy on paper as a .22LR and can knock down a buffalo bull. Something that folks who shoot black powder have known forever: Those heavy, slow moving, soft lead bullets are a whole lot more effective on game (and by extention humans) than the mathematics would suggest.
I'd still prefer a modern firearm for social situations, but I don't think a 45-70 lever action in BP would something to sneer at without body armor.

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 08, 2013 02:21 PM (yWUmv)

340 320Is it as difficult to smuggle 9mm ammo into the US as it is to smuggle cocaine?Posted by: Mikey NTH - It's Not Me, Babe at February 08, 2013 02:17 PM (hLRSq) It might be a little more challenging to shove 10,000 dollars worth of 9mm up your ass.
Posted by: maddogg
***

No wonder you are in such pain Hector, you have to take it out of the box first!

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 08, 2013 02:21 PM (uhftQ)

341
Heh, the SSA has to keep us old phartz in line somehow.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 08, 2013 02:22 PM (+z4pE)

342 324 SDC,

That was probably the push to drive your old school rating up to category B or A....

Guard units also burn through a lot on ramp up it *is* a variable....

my numbers were from observations of non Combat Arms vs Rifle companies at Ft Polk not at JRTC in training mode.

Hell even back in the early 90s sometimes if we were burning through late life ammo I got to go through 900 or so rounds......

still this is a LOT of ammo being played with.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 08, 2013 02:22 PM (LRFds)

343 .22LR is a no go. Makes a supersonic boom

Get the Eley subsonic match .22LR ammo.

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 08, 2013 02:22 PM (J6hHs)

344 Yes, but...there are a lot more .22LR guns out there than .22short. The commonality of the gun makes the ammo more desirable for Post-SHTF barter purposes.

Posted by: Country Singer at February 08, 2013 02:20 PM (L8r/r)


I thought all (non-semi, at least) .22LR pieces would fire the short.
Before the boating accident, everything I had did.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 08, 2013 02:22 PM (Qxe/p)

345 SDC....just answer "yeah"

Were you with 82, 101, !Cav, or 10th Mtn?

Posted by: sven10077 at February 08, 2013 02:22 PM (LRFds)

346 Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 08, 2013 02:20 PM (uhftQ)

I concur, but...it would be a lot easier for someone to manufacture alcohol or tobacco products for barter than to manufacture ammunition. And leaves for wiping your butt. They grow on trees. Literally.

Posted by: Country Singer at February 08, 2013 02:22 PM (L8r/r)

347 This has been thrown around since last year. Adding multi year contracts to get big scary number which turn out to be pretty normal when you do the math. That is, normal given that there are too many armed federal agents.
.
Also, at times I have purchased or loaded hollow points for practice when they were the same price as tmj or availability was an issue.
.
This is one of those stories where an item ticks along unnoticed for years and then a related item ( shortage ) pushes it into NEWS.
.
IIRC there were similar but less widespread reports during the component shortage five or six years ago.
.
All that being said ther are too many agents and the containers-in-the-open thing appears to be poor planning.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's mobile at February 08, 2013 02:23 PM (fKyp3)

348
Also, 46,000 rounds of .40 hollow point for the National Oceanic Atmospheric Adminstration.

Posted by: Entropy at February 08, 2013 02:23 PM (TULs6)

349 Alex Jones's involvement in this story means the story has zero credibility in my book.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 08, 2013 02:23 PM (7ObY1)

350
I'd still prefer a modern firearm for social situations, but I don't think a 45-70 lever action in BP would something to

Shit, even with body armor, that'd be like getting hit with a slow rolling truck.

Posted by: garrett at February 08, 2013 02:23 PM (rfeES)

351 Yes, and the Department of Education bought a bunch of shotguns too, and a few hundred thousand rounds of hollow point.

The short barreled shotguns were for the Office of the Inspector General.

Why on earth do they need SB pump shotties for their regular duties? I had no idea they need to breach doors and clear rooms as part of their normal duties.

Posted by: EC at February 08, 2013 02:23 PM (GQ8sn)

352

Pontiac made a version of their GTO called The Judge.

Or just 'Judge.'

I dunno, I've never been too sure which.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 08, 2013 02:23 PM (NNTrd)

353 The "(?!?!?!?!?!)" was a nice touch.

Posted by: gp at February 08, 2013 02:24 PM (+Jpqc)

354 *rips one*

"Can you hear me now?"

Posted by: assault butt dialer at February 08, 2013 02:24 PM (Kkt/i)

355 Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 08, 2013 02:22 PM (Qxe/p)

I think you're right on that one. But why eliminate all the people with semi's from being potential customers?

Posted by: Country Singer at February 08, 2013 02:24 PM (L8r/r)

356 >>>Those heavy, slow moving, soft lead bullets are a whole lot more
effective on game (and by extention humans) than the mathematics would
suggest.

I'm not doubting the lethality. Just the effective range.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 08, 2013 02:24 PM (0q2P7)

357
>>.22LR is a no go. Makes a supersonic boom<<



Back away from the window.

Posted by: garrett at February 08, 2013 02:24 PM (rfeES)

358 I concur, but...it would be a lot easier for someone to manufacture alcohol or tobacco products for barter than to manufacture ammunition. And leaves for wiping your butt. They grow on trees. Literally.
Posted by: Country Singer
***

Good points. As for the TP, I live in AZ. Lots and lots of pine trees here in the valley. Leaves, not so much.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 08, 2013 02:24 PM (uhftQ)

359 I called my congressman a few moths ago when this came to light. The official response from the SSA is they are using hollow point ammo fr target practice and training.

I asked that they find some cheaper ammo for that.

Posted by: Valiant at February 08, 2013 02:24 PM (aFxlY)

360 Get the Eley subsonic match .22LR ammo.
Posted by: @PurpAv at February 08, 2013 02:22 PM (J6hHs) YES! It may be the only really good ammo Remington makes anymore, and it's made in freaking England.

Posted by: maddogg at February 08, 2013 02:24 PM (OlN4e)

361 Guys, I do not know if this has been posted, but realize all those agencies (and pretty much every other department of the federal government) have criminal investigators that carry handguns and other weapons when necessary (search warrant executions). These investigators usually work in the inspector general sections of their department, and are charged with investigating things like procurement or employee fraud that effects their agencies These agents are required to qualify with their weapons, usually on a quarterly basis. Each agent may fire many rounds for training/qualification (probably around 100, usually). So, 100 x 4x however many agents they have is the minimum amount of ammo these agencies procure every year. The big buy from DHS is supposed to cover all their respective agencies under one contracting vehicle (just like individual units in the US Army do not procure their own ammo). While I would not put it past this admin to do something like that, I do see this being the case now.

Posted by: nolaw70 at February 08, 2013 02:25 PM (r34YH)

362
This is going to be just a very special weekend.

East coast blizzard. California getting set for hail and heavy rain, with wide swathes under lockdown. (Latest is LA County Jail and the streets surrounding it, besides the city of Big Bear).

I'm making a mammoth food run before the weather hits and going into a human variation of hibernation for 2 days. My stress levels demand it.

Posted by: Who Knows at February 08, 2013 02:25 PM (W+Itt)

363 A lot of you need to put some marbles back in your heads. The government is not going to attack the US populous. Lets just worry about beating the democrats in the next election

Posted by: Charlottan at February 08, 2013 02:25 PM (JltD6)

364 Tsr stopped to early as well. One more click through gets you to the source document- An ask for bids to provide 174 thousand 357 sig rounds. Open to disabled vet venders only.

If Alex Jones says the sky is blue I will double check but this may be real.

Posted by: typodynamofo at February 08, 2013 02:25 PM (WVMUQ)

365 Also, 46,000 rounds of .40 hollow point for the National Oceanic Atmospheric Adminstration.
Posted by: Entropy
***

Awwww crud. They are on to our revolution plans! I'll have to warn the other killer whales.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 08, 2013 02:26 PM (uhftQ)

366

Snow Shoveling 101

1) Exclaiming that shoveling snow is good exercise when it's over 1 foot makes you a moron*.

2) Rethink buying a snowblower.

3) See #1 above



*aoshqflag

Posted by: snow white & the seven kucinich's at February 08, 2013 02:26 PM (LpQbZ)

367 337 Mike The Moose,

I've gone on at length about owning both types.

I don't expect modern performance from older rounds and weapons systems but within their window they do fine.

I've never felt unsafe for home defense with simple .38 158 SWCs....

I wouldn't use the Thunderbolt Pistol caliber Carbine loaded with .38sp like a 5.56 carbine but even it would be plenty sporty within most urban terrain.

You can make the fixings for the 44-40 45LC era of rounds a lot easier than whipping up good 5.56 makings IMHO.

YMMV

Posted by: sven10077 at February 08, 2013 02:26 PM (LRFds)

368 Also, 46,000 rounds of .40 hollow point for the National Oceanic Atmospheric Adminstration.

Posted by: Entropy at February 08, 2013 02:23 PM (TULs6)

The next Hurricane will never see it coming!

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at February 08, 2013 02:26 PM (NzBQO)

369
>>I'm not doubting the lethality. Just the effective range. <<

Longbow!

Posted by: garrett at February 08, 2013 02:26 PM (rfeES)

370 its time for a hobo hunt.

Posted by: Killerdog at February 08, 2013 02:26 PM (CKzmJ)

371 Do NOT see this being the case now, I meant.

Posted by: nolaw70 at February 08, 2013 02:26 PM (r34YH)

372 A lot of you need to put some marbles back in your heads. The government is not going to attack the US populous.



Fuck you round eye!!!

Posted by: Two Asian newspaper deliverywomen at February 08, 2013 02:26 PM (GQ8sn)

373
'69 GTO or the General Lee?

I'll take the General.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 08, 2013 02:27 PM (052zE)

374
Help me out here.

Dick Morris says he's working to make Republicans more "viable" nationally.


Do I laugh or cry?

Posted by: Meremortal, watching it brun at February 08, 2013 02:27 PM (jTKU5)

375 supersonic .22 ammo is fine. Add a silencer. Makes it VERY hard to determine where the shot came from. Don't believe me? Ask the Chechans and the russians.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 08, 2013 02:27 PM (uhftQ)

376 339 44-40? You mean the round that get's outperformed by modern archery equipment?

I dunno about .44-40, but the .45-90 has about the same kinetic energy on paper as a .22LR and can knock down a buffalo bull. Something that folks who shoot black powder have known forever: Those heavy, slow moving, soft lead bullets are a whole lot more effective on game (and by extention humans) than the mathematics would suggest.
I'd still prefer a modern firearm for social situations, but I don't think a 45-70 lever action in BP would something to sneer at without body armor.

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 08, 2013 02:21 PM (yWUmv)


I bowhunted for 20 years, got 11 deer.
Built a .50, and after that I was "home by dark" with hanging meat.

The .50 could give a shit if there's a small branch between you and the target.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 08, 2013 02:27 PM (Qxe/p)

377 1) Exclaiming that shoveling snow is good exercise when it's over 1 foot makes you a moron*.

It's an excellent way to F up your back too.

Posted by: eleven at February 08, 2013 02:28 PM (fsLdt)

378 sooth

the judge

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5LIz7j-IvU

Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at February 08, 2013 02:28 PM (GVxQo)

379 Arming Barry's private army that he wanted as big as the US military?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 08, 2013 02:28 PM (1Jaio)

380 I am still waiting for Obama to shit can the CMP... oh crap did I give them an idea just now?

Seriously, though, it would be tragic if they did, but wouldn't that eliminate a potential avenue for people to become gun owners?

Posted by: dr. shatterhand at February 08, 2013 02:29 PM (n/ogz)

381 It's an excellent way to F up your back too.

Posted by: eleven at February 08, 2013 02:28 PM (fsLdt)


All was good before they banned assault shovels.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 08, 2013 02:29 PM (Qxe/p)

382 What is most troubling to me is that even GWB was somewhat supportive of renewing the so-called assault weapons ban.

And judges seem unable to apply the fucking law.

Consider the Heller II case on the AWB in D.C. The government told the supreme court that the handgun ban was ok because people could still have semiautomatic rifles to defend themselves.

Court said no, handguns are popular and you cannot ban them or require them to be inoperable.

So DC implemented some crazy "AWB" that outlawed all semiautomatic rifles, pretty much. So, here they are back before the D.C. Circuit, and they say hey, we can ban these rifles because people can protect themselves with handguns.

I MEAN WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON. The D.C. Circuit bought this bullshit argument. The dissent in that case is fantastic, worth a read and knocks down both the AWB and the registration of individual weapons requirement.The dissent wanted more evidence on the magazine restriction, but that evidence would be clear as day. I hope the Supreme Court steps in and ends this fucking charade once and for all.

No gun registration.
No weapon ban of any semi-automatic weapons.
No fucking gun insurance.
No required license to own a gun, such as is found in Illinois.
No magazine limit.

The most popular rifle in America is the AR 15 style rifle which normally comes with a 30 round magazine. You can buy them at fucking WalMart.

That alone makes any purported AWB unconstitutional. Hopefully the Supreme Court will step in and sweep all this bullshit aside.

And also say some form of carry must be allowed on a shall issue basis, not "may issue".

And then we can be done once and for all with these fucks.

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 08, 2013 02:29 PM (tVTLU)

383 > A lot of you need to put some marbles back in your
heads. The government is not going to attack the US populous. Lets
just worry about beating the democrats in the next election

Posted by: Charlottan at February 08, 2013 02:25 PM (JltD6)

Axelrod, please don't hire mobys with better spelling. They stick out fine this way.

Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at February 08, 2013 02:29 PM (ZWvOb)

384


What's your point? My half-assed speculation was that they might be trying to dick with the demand side of the economics to try and make ammo less widely available.

Posted by: Entropy



You're not the only person discussing it Ent, and others were seeming to get a little more, shall we say, exercised about things

They might indeed be trying to dick with demand, but my point is that there are alternative reasons that only require venality, not malice.

Posted by: imp at February 08, 2013 02:29 PM (UaxA0)

385 Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 08, 2013 02:24 PM (uhftQ)

Yeah, that would present a problem. A lot of preppers save their old phone books to use when their TP stash runs out.


Posted by: Entropy at February 08, 2013 02:23 PM (TULs6)

NOAA has a fisheries (?) enforcement division, I believe.

Posted by: Country Singer at February 08, 2013 02:29 PM (L8r/r)

386 Alex Jones didn't create the orders and the orders are out of pattern...

is it "likely" DHs and the alphabet Keytone kops *will* raise hell?

No, but come now let's not act like the DHS and Keystone Kops need 1 billion rounds when 5 divisions worth of men at war use ~72 million per annum....

"no"

something's going on.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 08, 2013 02:29 PM (LRFds)

387 I think NOAA has fisheries rangers under their dept. They may do stupid shit, but they're supposed to qualify with their guns anyway. And carry X rounds of ammo.

Re earlier point, a plated hollowpoint is cheaper to make than fmj and about the same as a plated flat point. Something like a Silvertip or SXT is more complicated and expensive.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's mobile at February 08, 2013 02:31 PM (fKyp3)

388 I'm not doubting the lethality. Just the effective range.

The rule of thumb for decently-made muzzleloaders is that will shoot as well as you canaim itwith iron sights.* I imagine that cartridge guns are about the same.

*Creedmore matches at 1000 yards were shot with both muzzleleoaders and breechloaders in the 19th century, but those were obviously special cases.

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 08, 2013 02:31 PM (yWUmv)

389 363 A lot of you need to put some marbles back in your heads. The government is not going to attack the US populous. Lets just worry about beating the democrats in the next election
Posted by: Charlottan at February 08, 2013 02:25 PM (JltD6)

Yes, and they would also never put Americans on a kill list, bypassing their due process rights.

There is a reason the government won't attack (some) of the population.

Let's keep it that way. Governments are not to be trusted - they have never been trustworthy. The 'State' is reponsible for the deaths of more people over history than all the private people and organizations COMBINED.

Posted by: blindside at February 08, 2013 02:32 PM (x7g7t)

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, El Patron at February 08, 2013 02:32 PM (yAor6)

391 Ace has updated his post BTW. Acknowledges the Alex Jones origin.

Posted by: eleven at February 08, 2013 02:32 PM (fsLdt)

392 Update on my dad: I received a call from Mommy about ten minutes ago to let me know that a. he was in surgery; b. she had no idea when he was going to be out and c. she had no idea what it was that they were doing. Thanks, Mommy. That was very helpful.

(My dad fell yesterday and broke his kneecap and is having surgery to fix it for those who missed my whinging this morning)

Though as a friend pointed out last night, Mommy did tell me within 12 hours of something happening that it happened, she told me he was alive and she told me where he was so I should be grateful. She has a point.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 08, 2013 02:32 PM (VtjlW)

393 Yeah, that would present a problem. A lot of preppers save their old phone books to use when their TP stash runs out.Posted by: Entropy at February 08, 2013 02:23 PM (TULs6) NOAA has a fisheries (?) enforcement division, I believe.
Posted by: Country Singer
***

Pine cones are a bad idea. Don't ask how I know.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 08, 2013 02:32 PM (uhftQ)

394 Posted by: nolaw70 at February 08, 2013 02:25 PM (r34YH)


Uh.... why would a Dept of EducationInspector General, need a gun, for a Warrant?

Schools, are by Federal Law, Gun Free Zones... any Felony commited such as Fraud, would fall under the FBI, not Inspector General...

Its like the stupid JAG shows on TV.... JAGs are NOT COPS... its not an adventure... they are F'n Lawyers....

Sooo... you have to question... why would an Inspector General NEED armed personel.... let alone a SWAT Team (which was deployed in California a year or so ago, in a raid on the wrong house, to go after a student loan???? WTF?)

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 08, 2013 02:33 PM (lZBBB)

395 Years ago I bought 1k slugs of nylox tipped .223. Anyone here with field experience know how they perform?


I've never actually reloaded ammo but have bags and bags of dirty brass, slugs, powder and primers and all of the reloading gear in the basement.


Posted by: 13times at February 08, 2013 02:33 PM (h6XiD)

396 my apologies about Charlattan. He is from another blog I frequent. I was talking about how rough and not for the weak at heart the comment section was here and he decided to come over here and start a fight to prove himself to me or something. He is clearly not ready. He is a 17 year old virgin so don't be too harsh on him. I asked him to leave and he has done so. Again, my apologies.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, El Patron at February 08, 2013 02:33 PM (yAor6)

397 California getting set for hail and heavy rain, with wide swathes under lockdown. (Latest is LA County Jail and the streets surrounding it, besides the city of Big Bear).

I'm making a mammoth food run before the weather hits and going into a human variation of hibernation for 2 days. My stress levels demand it.
Posted by: Who Knows at February 08, 2013 02:25 PM (W+Itt)



Senor Fish
Eagle Rock Blvd
Cali

Potato tacos.
Stock up.

Posted by: nearest beach at February 08, 2013 02:33 PM (LpQbZ)

398 The rule of thumb for decently-made muzzleloaders is that will shoot as well as you canaim itwith iron sights.* I imagine that cartridge guns are about the same.

*Creedmore matches at 1000 yards were shot with both muzzleleoaders and breechloaders in the 19th century, but those were obviously special cases.

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 08, 2013 02:31 PM (yWUmv)


From personal experience, that sounds about right.
100 yards is my confidence limit.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 08, 2013 02:34 PM (Qxe/p)

399
"A lot of you need to put some marbles back in your heads. The government is not going to attack the US populous." [sic]

"Obama is sort of like our Dad or our boss..."

Posted by: Meremortal, watching it brun at February 08, 2013 02:34 PM (jTKU5)

400 394 Romeo 13,

in part bragging rights...

Posted by: sven10077 at February 08, 2013 02:34 PM (LRFds)

401 The government is not going to attack the US populous.

Using an adjective as a noun....that's a drone strike.

/pedant

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 08, 2013 02:34 PM (/kI1Q)

402
girl from phoenix, I love those old car ads

they are quintessentially American



Posted by: soothsayer at February 08, 2013 02:35 PM (FC8Yl)

403 @61

Same for me .40SW HP seems readily available compared to 9mm or .22Lr. The full metal jacket .40SW round are another story. These rounds are typically used for range/target practice as they are cheaper than the HP variant. As for the .22LR, I have read is that many are stockpiling the .22LR for survivalist reasons. The .22LR is a cheap round, decent for small game, and easy to haul a crap ton of it with you.

Posted by: Lando's BFG at February 08, 2013 02:35 PM (hzSVV)

404 The government is not stock piling weapons to use against the US populous. I just don't see any real evidence

Good point. Are they buying guns to match the quantity of ammo?

Posted by: toby928© making it personal at February 08, 2013 02:35 PM (QupBk)

405 399 Meremortal,

yeah I always paid my dad allowance, and let him lie about my positions....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 08, 2013 02:35 PM (LRFds)

406 my apologies about Charlattan. He is from another blog I frequent. I was
talking about how rough and not for the weak at heart the comment
section was here and he decided to come over here and start a fight to
prove himself to me or something.


Well then, he needs more practice. All he got out of the Horde was a collective yawn.

Which is worse than actually getting slapped down, which I'm sure you know.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 08, 2013 02:36 PM (8y9MW)

407 Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 08, 2013 02:32 PM (uhftQ)

Probably the same way my Dad found out as a kid not to take my GrandDad's advice when he had that devilish gleam in his eye. In this case, using Johnson grass to wipe with. The one that reinforced it was the "it won't hurt you to piss on that electric fence".

Posted by: Country Singer at February 08, 2013 02:36 PM (L8r/r)

408 Fuck you round eye!!!


Posted by: Two Asian newspaper deliverywomen at February 08, 2013 02:26 PM (GQ8sn)


Hispanic.


Emma Hernandez was delivering the Los Angeles Times with her daughter,
Margie Carranza, 47, in Torrance early Thursday when police officers
apparently mistook their pickup for that of Christopher Jordan Dorner,
the 33-year-old fugitive suspected of killing three people and injuring
two others.

Posted by: Tami at February 08, 2013 02:36 PM (X6akg)

409 From personal experience, that sounds about right.
100 yards is my confidence limit.>>

I sight mine in before the season at 80yds and that is this old mans limit with iron sights so that sounds right to me too.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 08, 2013 02:37 PM (81UWZ)

410 And also say some form of carry must be allowed on a shall issue basis, not "may issue".


Posted by: Prescient11 at February 08, 2013 02:29 PM (tVTLU)


There should be a list of who CANNOT carry, not a permit TO Carry... because if you need Government Permision before you can do somthing, it is NOT a RIGHT.

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 08, 2013 02:37 PM (lZBBB)

411 I can't believe he did it. I warned him he couldn't handle a place like this. BTW I in no way endorse his views.

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, El Patron at February 08, 2013 02:38 PM (yAor6)

412 Check out Drudge, top right side.

FDA security guard fires his weapon.....on a 15 year old boy!!!!

Oh yeah, the govt won't attack the populace...

Posted by: EC at February 08, 2013 02:38 PM (GQ8sn)

413 Get a snow blower.



http://tinyurl.com/azhla7o

Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 08, 2013 02:39 PM (wR+pz)

414 46,000 rounds of .40 hollow point for the National Oceanic Atmospheric Adminstration.

They're getting serious about global warming.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 08, 2013 02:39 PM (B/VB5)

415 412 EC,

hey he said, "Get off my lawn!" with emphasis.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 08, 2013 02:40 PM (LRFds)

416 And then we can be done once and for all with these fucks.

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 08, 2013 02:29 PM (tVTLU)

You must be new here.

Posted by: assault flounder at February 08, 2013 02:40 PM (Kkt/i)

417 Why on earth do they need SB pump shotties for their regular duties?

I can see where an IG poking around in something other than paper might run into some pretty nasty folks who don't want to be discovered.

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 08, 2013 02:40 PM (J6hHs)

418 I can see where an IG poking around in something other than paper might
run into some pretty nasty folks who don't want to be discovered.


Yeah, that's when the Dept of Ed needs to call in the FBI or local cops.

Posted by: EC at February 08, 2013 02:41 PM (GQ8sn)

419 The government is not going to attack the US populous.

Yes..... oy ve.... no one has anything to worry about.... it'll never happen here!

Posted by: Hienrich Goldstien, Berlin, 1931 at February 08, 2013 02:41 PM (lZBBB)

420 I can't believe he did it. I warned him he couldn't handle a place like this. BTW I in no way endorse his views.

You need neither apologize for, nor to, him. Maybe when he grows up and has a brain in his head he can come back.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 08, 2013 02:42 PM (8y9MW)

421 @392

Prayer for your dad. I have a broken kneecap, and it SUCKS.

Nothing you can do for it really. They are pobably just scoping it, cleaning it, and checking for torn ligaments.

Look at the bright side. Your dad will always know when it's going to rain, it will hurt like hell.

Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 08, 2013 02:43 PM (wR+pz)

422
Emma Hernandez was delivering the Los Angeles Times with her daughter,
Margie Carranza, 47, in Torrance early Thursday when police officers
apparently mistook their pickup for that of Christopher Jordan Dorner,
the 33-year-old fugitive suspected of killing three people and injuring
two others.

===========================
If I recall correctly, it was the wrong make of truck, the wrong color, the psycho cop they are hunting is 6'4 and they unloaded around 40 rounds into the cab from the rear. The LA Times story mentioned that no determination of which newspaper they were delivering was made. WTF?

LAPD has Their Top Men on this one.

Posted by: The Hobo Wears Tactical Prada at February 08, 2013 02:45 PM (Z5BDI)

423 Assault flounder:

Now that's hilarious. Yes, the fight will never end, but if the Sup. Ct. specifically says that, they are fucked in a big way.

I just hope Heller II can be taken up quickly, as quick as possible.

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 08, 2013 02:45 PM (tVTLU)

424
"They might indeed be trying to dick with demand, but my point is that there are alternative reasons that only require venality, not malice"
An approach, whilest true, still doesn't exactly fill me with serenity...

Posted by: Jess1 at February 08, 2013 02:47 PM (lbiWb)

425 Thanks for having the common sense that Drudge obviously lacks.

Posted by: Kaptain Amerika at February 08, 2013 02:48 PM (a0o+l)

426 They put 40 rounds into the women's truck?? Jesus. Did the newspapers save them.

As we know from our good friends at FPS Russia, all the shit in the movies about a car stopping bullets is a joke. Take 7.62 to it and you will shred the fuck out of it.

Now the metal makes all these bullets go all over the place, but 40 rounds and both still alive?? Thank God.

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 08, 2013 02:49 PM (tVTLU)

427 Also I haven't looked it up but I'm pretty sure the BP 45-90 was supersonic, so no, it is not a low energy round. At all.
.
Probably pretty close to the modern .500 Smith and Wesson magnum.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's mobile at February 08, 2013 02:49 PM (fKyp3)

428 I can't believe he did it. I warned him he couldn't handle a place like this. BTW I in no way endorse his views.
Posted by: AuthorLMendez, El Patron at February 08, 2013 02:38 PM (yAor6)

Geez, dude. We're not that bad.

Posted by: troyriser at February 08, 2013 02:50 PM (vtiE6)

429 Look at the bright side. Your dad will always know when it's going to rain, it will hurt like hell.
Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 08, 2013 02:43 PM (wR+pz)



The Bastard Ex blew out both knees playing soccer and both knees had been scoped. One of the good things about the BEX was that he always knew when bad weather was coming in.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 08, 2013 02:50 PM (VtjlW)

430 Look, me and my body man Barack like to go skeet shooting 'all the time', so that's why all those bullets are needed...

Posted by: Reggie Love at February 08, 2013 02:51 PM (y5bPZ)

431 Feb 8 Politics1com: ILLINOIS: Ex-Cong Jesse Jackson Jr (D) has signed a
plea deal with fed admitting to corruption charges; developing: http://t.co/TGustSmO

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, El Patron at February 08, 2013 02:51 PM (yAor6)

432 Homeland security has bought about 1.5 billion rounds of ammo in the last year. They bought 450 million rounds of .40 cal hollow points.

Posted by: Karl Rove at February 08, 2013 02:53 PM (vYB+W)

433 If it hasn't been mentioned before ...

Someone should dig through federal regs and find out what the shelf expiration date is on those lots of ammo. If the ammunition is stored under optimum conditions, the shelf life could be several years, but rules are rules and sooner or later that ammo has to be used or surplused (destroyed).

Posted by: mrp at February 08, 2013 02:54 PM (HjPtV)

434 It's like Groundhog Day.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's mobile at February 08, 2013 02:54 PM (fKyp3)

435 The shelf life on properly stored ammo is like 60 to 80 years. Depending on components.
.
Storing it in big metal containers in the sun is not proper, BTW.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's mobile at February 08, 2013 02:57 PM (fKyp3)

436 Now the metal makes all these bullets go all over the place, but 40 rounds and both still alive?? Thank God.

I bet they were JHP.

Posted by: EC at February 08, 2013 02:57 PM (GQ8sn)

437 Only government employees have the proper training and mindset to shoot the hell out of innocent bystander's vehicles, clearly.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's mobile at February 08, 2013 03:01 PM (fKyp3)

438 The 'State' is reponsible for the deaths of more people over history than all the private people and organizations COMBINED.


Ha, beat ya 3 to 1 when we ARE the State.

Posted by: Ayatollah Scimitar headed for the Ganges at February 08, 2013 03:03 PM (JJdOG)

439 Homeland security has bought about 1.5 billion rounds of ammo in the last year. They bought 450 million rounds of .40 cal hollow points.
Posted by: Karl Rove at February 08, 2013 02:53 PM (vYB+W)

Alex Jones or not, the buy-up of billions of rounds of ammunition by the federal government for domestic use gives me the willies.

Posted by: troyriser at February 08, 2013 03:03 PM (vtiE6)

440 Merovign, I asked on a thread yesterday and you either didn't see it or were ignoring me .....I'll ask again....


How you feeling? The doc ever call back?

Posted by: Tami at February 08, 2013 03:04 PM (X6akg)

441 Maybe 2 hispanic wimmins equal one giant black feller. It's the new LAPD math.

The good news is that the ladies weren't killed.

The bad news is that actual criminals might get the idea that LAPD is staffed with retarded marmosets and that the deterrent effect is kinda lame. 40 rounds.....if there had been ak47 totin' bad guys in the truck, the LEOs would have been toast.

Posted by: The Hobo Wears Tactical Prada at February 08, 2013 03:06 PM (Z5BDI)

442
I can't believe that even these chuckleheads would do something that ridiculous. Bullets are easy to make; lots of companies make them. If a big purchaser causes shortages, prices rise, which attracts more production. It's Econ 101!

Come to think of it, this administration flunked econ 101. Never mind ...


Exactly.... It's not that I think it has anyrealistic chance of working, it just sounds like some stupid shit they'd try.

Posted by: Entropy at February 08, 2013 03:06 PM (TULs6)

443
The bad news is that actual criminals might get the idea that LAPD is staffed with retarded marmosets

They are. LAPD should not be allowed to have guns.Not really even kidding.

Posted by: Entropy at February 08, 2013 03:09 PM (TULs6)

444 "The real question is why do each of these agencies/depts. need their own LEO's. Why not beef up the Marshall's service or somesuch."

Because the FBI and the USMS, while they get sucked into it as the "default" fed LEO's, do not really want to be the hired guns for every other fed agency. Some IGs do not have fed LEOs, and depend on the FBI for arrests and serving warrants. However, the larger ones due, in large part because the FBI/USMS does not want to do it anymore than they have to. Because of that, other agencies have found they were not responsive to their needs, particularly if a case was not "sexy" enough for the FBI (and if they could not take credit for it). Therefore, they sought and obtained their own criminal investigators to service their needs (the actual federal statutes for arrest powers do not say "FBI" in them, and thus anyone can have properly trained and designated/credentialed personnel do it) If they were to do it for everyone, they would need a LOT larger budget and personnel size than they do now.

Posted by: nolaw70 at February 08, 2013 03:11 PM (r34YH)

445
Ms. Price, 20, whose annual income is $15,000
to $16,000, prefers shopping at Whole Foods, the upscale supermarket
chain, which is healthier but more expensive. But since the payroll tax
went up, she has been going more often to Publix and Walmart.
“The food that has a lot of fat and food
coloring is cheaper,” she said. “It’s a lot more expensive to eat
healthier. But now I’m actually looking at the price tag on things
rather than grabbing them.”


No friggin' way! Does she have no other expenses? Rent/mortgage? Car? Clothing? Bull-effing-shit.

Posted by: Tami at February 08, 2013 03:11 PM (X6akg)

446 Ooop[....wrong thread.

Posted by: Tami at February 08, 2013 03:13 PM (X6akg)

447 The Examiner article may link to Alex Jones, but Jones links to the source documents on the government agencies' web sites.

Just because you're a paranoid crank doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.

Posted by: mgd at February 08, 2013 03:16 PM (6B2Vm)

448 Because the FBI and the USMS, while they get sucked into it as the
"default" fed LEO's, do not really want to be the hired guns for every
other fed agency. Some IGs do not have fed LEOs, and depend on the FBI
for arrests and serving warrants. However, the larger ones due, in large
part because the FBI/USMS does not want to do it anymore than they have
to. Because of that, other agencies have found they were not responsive
to their needs, particularly if a case was not "sexy" enough for the
FBI (and if they could not take credit for it). Therefore, they sought
and obtained their own criminal investigators to service their needs
(the actual federal statutes for arrest powers do not say "FBI" in them,
and thus anyone can have properly trained and designated/credentialed
personnel do it) If they were to do it for everyone, they would need a
LOT larger budget and personnel size than they do now.



So these cabinet dept's hire FBI/USMS rejects to do their own heavy lifting? That's nice.

Posted by: EC at February 08, 2013 03:19 PM (GQ8sn)

449 My toaster is trying to kill me and all the doorknobs are in on the conspiracy.

And you only deny this truth because the microwave sent you.

You people need to wake up!

Posted by: ALEX JONES at February 08, 2013 03:24 PM (z3Lez)

450 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 08, 2013 02:32 PM (VtjlW)

There comes a point where the mom becomes the child, you might be there.

Posted by: madamex at February 08, 2013 03:26 PM (+kvQd)

451 "So these cabinet dept's hire FBI/USMS rejects to do their own heavy lifting? That's nice."

Not at all. The FBI are generalists (thats their mission); the IGs are specialists. Pretty much anyone that wants to be in the FBI would not want to be in an IG, and vice versa.

Posted by: nolaw70 at February 08, 2013 03:32 PM (r34YH)

452
Explanation of ammo buying.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/07/
homeland-security-soliciting-bids-for-26-
1-million-rounds-of-ammunition/

(cut and paste the link to make it work)

Summary. Gov has ALWAYS been buying ammo - but now there's public requests for bids so purchase requests are seen.

Also, why hollow points? Because you would use hollow points in a fight and you train with what you plan to fight with. Some times, a hollow point bullet won't load when a wad cutter* or a round tip bullet will. You want to find out things like this on the practice range!

*wad cutter is a flat head bullet popular with pistol target shooting because it makes nice, easily measured, round holes in the paper target.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at February 08, 2013 03:34 PM (mJkp9)

453 452 Comrade Arthur.....

500-1000 rounds per per session eh?

"okay"

Then DHS needs to take a SERIOUS look at their training methodology b/c they underperform head to head with the military in MOUT exercises.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 08, 2013 03:38 PM (LRFds)

454
DHS underperforming military on MOUT.

The phrase "bottom of the barrel" comes to mind.


Posted by: Comrade Arthur at February 08, 2013 04:00 PM (mJkp9)

455 I'll play devils's advocate here. Keep in mind that the DHS operates the Federal Law Enforcement Trainig Center (in Georgia, if I recall). This is wherearmed federal officers (FBI, Secret Service, Border Patrol, Marshals, Park Police, ATF, etc) train, as well as at places like Quantico for the FBI. Just at a quick wiki glance there were 104,000 armed fed law enforcement in 2004. So make it 110,000 now. Assume they each fire 1000 rounds per year in training, which is probably low, and that comes to 110+ million rounds per year. And that isn't counting new recruits. So, it may alladd up

Posted by: Landru at February 08, 2013 04:12 PM (Za6zA)

456 121
>>>A Sri Lankan prisoner who tried to hide his mobile phone during a search

of his cell was caught out when guards heard ring tones from his

rear-end, a hospital official said on Friday.

That's why I always keep mine on vibrate.
************

I think you just gave me an idea for a new app for Teh Gayz.

Posted by: Brown-Eyed Boy at February 08, 2013 04:12 PM (o6qwg)

457 455 Landru,

Landru they do not fire 1,000 rounds a year on the govt dime.

1000 rounds is 50 boxes of ammo or roughly 20 rounds per week.

That is not how the average Fed LE trains.

Thanks for playing.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 08, 2013 04:25 PM (LRFds)

458
Sorry, I should have checked. I do not believe this story now, and won't believe it, until someone with some credibility checks up on it.

NOAA and the Department of Commerce have been buying up ammunition, too. Ah, here we are 46,000 rounds of .40 caliber:

http://read.bi/QyHzdt

Allegedly it is for their 111 special agents and 23 enforcement officers. Quoting the article:

Agents and officers are required to have 200 rounds in his or her duty bag, and twice-a-year firearm qualification and training calls for agents to use another 500-600 rounds. In addition, firearms instructors with more than one pistol may need more rounds in a year. In 2011, the guidance was that each agent and officer would need 700 rounds per year to meet these requirements.

I'll leave it to others to critique the numbers, but it looks like their officers are encouraged to go to the range for training more often than twice a year.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at February 08, 2013 05:13 PM (1hM1d)

459 458 IRA Darth Aggie,

Then they need to hire military trainers because their ammo to proficiency ratio sucks.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 08, 2013 05:23 PM (LRFds)

460 The good news is that if they arm TSA against us, they will simply steal all the guns and bullets and they will disappear.

Posted by: PJ at February 08, 2013 05:59 PM (ZWaLo)

461 I'm curious about the DHS vs. military in "head to head" MOUT training. DHS is a cabinet level department and not an agency, and is made up of a number of LE agencies, including, but not limited to:

ICE
Customs and Border Protection
Secret Service
Border Patrol
FLETC
USCG/ CGIS
Numerous OIGs

Which of these agencies is going "head to head" with the military? And since LE doesn't generally do "MOUT", what the fuck are you talking about?

Posted by: elliot at February 08, 2013 06:55 PM (blkVM)

462 Landru they do not fire 1,000 rounds a year on the govt dime.

1000 rounds is 50 boxes of ammo or roughly 20 rounds per week.

That is not how the average Fed LE trains.

Thanks for playing.


Posted by: sven10077 at February 08, 2013 04:25 PM (LRFds)
Um, actually, they do. I'm a firearms instructor for a federal agency. We shoot quarterly, and the average number of rounds per agent is 250. We shoot static and dynamic courses of fire using live ammo, for interactive, we use simunitions.Thanks for playing.

Posted by: elliot at February 08, 2013 07:10 PM (blkVM)

463 I suspect that I have run into Sven10077 on another site about six months ago, and had this same conversation with him.

Javelin?
Viking?

Posted by: elliot at February 08, 2013 07:13 PM (blkVM)

464 So...is Ace just dropping this story? What IS the reason the feds need to stockpile so much ammo?

Why do we sneer at the MSM for ignoring very odd political goings-on and then do exactly the same thing ourselves?

Just the truth would do fine.

Posted by: Peter at February 08, 2013 08:27 PM (3WG4P)

465 Let's agree that Alex Jones is speculating. Let's agree that Alex Jones expects the worst from Gov't. Given that, wouldn't the next speculative question be "what national crisis will the government conjure up to restrict personal freedom and individual liberties?

Let's agree that this is the SAME gov't that conjured up the Fast and Furious scheme to promote gun control.

Given this gov't is untrustworthy, lies as easily as people breathe, has no respect for civil liberties, no respect for habeaus corpus, has a neo-Marxist agenda, isn't it appropriate to expect the worst from them?

Posted by: Joe Bidenmytime at February 08, 2013 09:00 PM (kOlH2)

466 This is the 2013 version of the paranoia flu virus, recycled. Last year when Info Wars floated the original story, it went viral. Got so absurd that even the lobbying arm of the NRA issued a statement back in August 2012. GA GOP Congressman Lynn Westmoreland clarified it on his website as well. Even Snopes put up a page on it.

But then look at the bright side. This stuff has been beneficial to the US economy, as both guns sales and ammo have soared. The National Shooting Sports Foundation has released their 2012 Firearms and Ammo Impact evaluation for 2012, and it's nothing but a money maker for the firearms industry. Let it not be overlooked that entrepreneurs know how to take advantage of the ill-informed for profit.

BTW, sorry I couldn't provide the links for all the above. It kept kicking my message out with the multiple links.

Posted by: MataHarley at February 09, 2013 09:16 PM (fW+fV)

467 Let's see if the Tiny URL version of the NRA-ILA release in August of 2012 I mentioned above.

Posted by: MataHarley at February 09, 2013 11:15 PM (fW+fV)






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