Top Headline Comments (2-7-2013)

Posted by: Andy at 06:45 AM



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DAY 93

1,367 to go (1,442 to Inauguration Day 2017)


Muzzies, Marxists, Maoists, Mau-Maus, MFM's, Moochelle, McCain's, MIRV's, mutants, malcontents, malthusians, maniacs, malignant medical mandates, miscreants, maladjusted masochistic multiculturalists, momzers, mamalukes, mooks, mariuoli, meeskeits, maricons, marauders, malodorous militants, menstruating mons veneri and miscellaneous meshugas notwithstanding.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2013 06:46 AM (XkWWK)

2 Let them eat matchsticks...

Posted by: sven10077 at February 07, 2013 06:47 AM (LRFds)

3 Here is a commercial from the '60's that would be considered a hate crime, or racism, or something today.
http://tinyurl.com/2egbu2r

Posted by: real joe, blue state hostage at February 07, 2013 06:47 AM (PD2ad)

4 I was stationed in Europe in the late 80 s. Barcelona captured that time perfectly.

Posted by: Golan Globus at February 07, 2013 06:47 AM (/1U3u)

5 You're in early J.J.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 07, 2013 06:48 AM (GSpCg)

6
Yiddish Word of the Day:

"Hocken a chainik" - (hock'n-a-chai-nik) Boring, long-winded and annoying conversation; talking for the sake of talking (Lit., To bang on the tea-kettle)

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2013 06:49 AM (XkWWK)

7 5 You're in early J.J.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 07, 2013 06:48 AM (GSpCg)

Kitties get fed around 5 or so.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2013 06:50 AM (XkWWK)

8 Day by Day yay

Posted by: Truman North at February 07, 2013 06:51 AM (I2LwF)

9 Good morning all.
Perhaps the fetching Miss Mary Cloggenstein will get a snow enema tomorrow.
I know it's a sock.
Just wanted to use snow enema in a sentence.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 07, 2013 06:51 AM (bTPOR)

10 Listening to WMAL this am. They recapped that yesterday Karl Roves spokesman called Brent Bozell a hater and weird.

We really don't need Republicans who talk about Republicans the way Democrats do.

Posted by: Golan Globus at February 07, 2013 06:51 AM (/1U3u)

11 Kitties get fed around 5 or so

Is that what the kids call it these days? ;-)

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 07, 2013 06:52 AM (GSpCg)

12 11 Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 07, 2013 06:52 AM (GSpCg)

Kids? I meant "kittehs."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2013 06:53 AM (XkWWK)

13 Good Morning Morons. Today is Thursday, February 07, 2013. On this day in 1940 the Disney film Pinocchio premiered.

Posted by: Vic at February 07, 2013 06:53 AM (53z96)

14

Want some potato salad from the local supermarket? Its going to cost you a lot more thanks to Obamacare? What has that to do with healthcare? Nothing but nobody read the bill.

http://is.gd/xE63wS

Posted by: Vic at February 07, 2013 06:53 AM (53z96)

15 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 07, 2013 06:54 AM (nUH8H)

16 Black family accuses CA Disney rabbit of being racist. Sues for mega-bucks

http://is.gd/SVrhOG

Posted by: Vic at February 07, 2013 06:54 AM (53z96)

17 We really don't need Republicans who talk about Republicans the way Democrats do.

Rove could not care less. Real people are not his audience.

At least Bozell performs a useful function.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 07, 2013 06:54 AM (GSpCg)

18 Good morning, all.

My position on various people who attempt to tell me how to vote is this: Anyone who has a vested financial interest in a candidate or an election does not have an opinion worth listening to.

This includes almost all political consultants, many pundits, and a couple of bloggers (not here) who think they will get an inside track to a job.

As public people start spouting off, I am going to be taking that into consideration.

Posted by: Miss Marple at February 07, 2013 06:54 AM (GoIUi)

19 VA wants to issue its own money.

http://is.gd/oWnGwe

Posted by: Vic at February 07, 2013 06:54 AM (53z96)

20 9 Just wanted to use snow enema in a sentence.
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 07, 2013 06:51 AM (bTPOR)

Don't eat the yellow snow. Better go to St. Alphonso's Pancake Breakfast and get the Rachel Corrie special...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2013 06:54 AM (XkWWK)

21 More Global warming to hit the NE tomorrow. Hey Yankees, how does that shit sandwich taste frozen?

http://is.gd/DmjneE

Posted by: Vic at February 07, 2013 06:54 AM (53z96)

22 Here is a commercial from the '60's that would be considered a hate crime, or racism, or something today. http://tinyurl.com/2egbu2r

The included shoulder holster is a nice touch.

Posted by: RushBabe at February 07, 2013 06:54 AM (tQHzJ)

23 CBC wants SC’s minority majority rep to be Obama’s transportation secretary. He says no to the shit job. Wonder what is cooking there?

http://is.gd/OmQiwV

Posted by: Vic at February 07, 2013 06:54 AM (53z96)

24 Too bad male morons, Hardy’s has replaced Kate with a new babe for eating their hamburgers.

http://is.gd/NpFPUj


Better pics but I like Kate better. What say the Morons?

SFW

http://is.gd/fDqbzb

Posted by: Vic at February 07, 2013 06:55 AM (53z96)

25 Crony Corruption strikes again (please do not use “capitalism” in this kind of shit)

http://is.gd/69zBNR

Posted by: Vic at February 07, 2013 06:56 AM (53z96)

26 The Daily Deal

http://is.gd/lzs9W7

Posted by: Vic at February 07, 2013 06:56 AM (53z96)

27 10 Listening to WMAL this am. They recapped that yesterday Karl Roves spokesman called Brent Bozell a hater and weird.

If the left were dropping bombs TEA partiers, Karl Rove would point the laser.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 07, 2013 06:56 AM (uhAkr)

28 The Daily Deal

http://is.gd/lzs9W7


The daily Kitteh

For the ladies who love vampire shit

http://is.gd/wtltzd


And that’s it for Thursday, February 07, 2013.

Posted by: Vic at February 07, 2013 06:56 AM (53z96)

29 22 Here is a commercial from the '60's that would be considered a hate crime, or racism, or something today. http://tinyurl.com/2egbu2r

The included shoulder holster is a nice touch.
Posted by: RushBabe at February 07, 2013 06:54 AM (tQHzJ)


Genius! Hey, remember "The Sixth Finger?"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2013 06:57 AM (XkWWK)

30 So, there were about 16,000 votes cast in the 2012 Republican primary here in Bristol County, MA.

Statewide R registration stands between 10-11%. Maybe it's closer to 13% here. Andy would have a good idea about the number.

Anyway, the number of active registered Republicans is vanishingly small. You could get us all into a decent sized auditorium.

But then, we have at least as many people, if not more, that self-identify as conservatives along some metric, who are disgusted with or demoralized by the MA GOP.

Rather than asking them to "join" what is clearly a failed organization... I had a brain blast last night.

Ask them to BE the Republican Party.

With the right messaging toward various out groups, this could be dynamite. BE the party.

Posted by: Truman North at February 07, 2013 06:58 AM (I2LwF)

31 Yiddish Word of the Day:
J.J. -- When you had the recent "gatkes" as the word of the day, it sure sounded similar to what my parents and grandparents used as the word for "underwear." They pronounced it "GUCH-eez." All of us hailed from Poland. Small world. We're all papists, though.

Posted by: RushBabe at February 07, 2013 06:58 AM (tQHzJ)

32 Rove is still mad that Mike Castle lost. I am sure Castle was supposed to be his big successful debut after leaving the White House.

Posted by: Miss Marple at February 07, 2013 06:58 AM (GoIUi)

33 Participate as little as possible if not at all.

Posted by: Opus An Arcus at February 07, 2013 06:59 AM (Zq061)

34 21 More Global warming to hit the NE tomorrow. Hey Yankees, how does that shit sandwich taste frozen?

Are you asking the 'Yankees' who post here?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 07, 2013 06:59 AM (uhAkr)

35 We really don't need Republicans who talk about Republicans the way Democrats do.

I think some on our side are sick to death of being reviled by the commucrats and are tired of being polite.

Posted by: RushBabe at February 07, 2013 07:00 AM (tQHzJ)

36 Radio this morning said former Massachusetts Senator Scott Brown is in talks with Fox.

Meh. He will be more pleasant to look at than Dick Morris, though.

Posted by: Miss Marple at February 07, 2013 07:00 AM (GoIUi)

37 31 Posted by: RushBabe at February 07, 2013 06:58 AM (tQHzJ)

The word, as most Yiddish words most likely has its roots in the indigenous language that the Jews happened to land it, so it probably started as a Polish or other Slavic word.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2013 07:01 AM (XkWWK)

38 Are you asking the 'Yankees' who post here?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 07, 2013 06:59 AM (uhAkr)


only the ones who vote for Dems

Posted by: Vic at February 07, 2013 07:03 AM (53z96)

39 10 Golan Globus,

Quite. If I wanted that bullshit I'd watch the M$M and get it from a purer source.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 07, 2013 07:03 AM (LRFds)

40 31 Posted by: RushBabe at February 07, 2013 06:58 AM (tQHzJ)

Actually, most Yiddish words are a combination of German and Hebrew. It's the words with Slavic and other roots that were picked up as the Jews moved from country to country.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2013 07:04 AM (XkWWK)

41 16 Vic,

I'll be suing Chris "Who Yo Daddy?" Rock any second now....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 07, 2013 07:04 AM (LRFds)

42 Knowing absolutely nothing about Mike Castle from Wiki,"Castle cosponsored the Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act. The bill
proposed expanding the number of stem cell lines that are eligible for
federally funded research.


In other words Rove supported a Republican who is not a Republican and who wants to throw taxpayer money directly into the toilet.


FUCK KARL ROVE

And never trust a guy who spells Carl with a K.

Posted by: General Woundwort at February 07, 2013 07:07 AM (RrD4h)

43 That about sums it up. If you're looking for other explanations, you're thinking too hard. These are not complicated people.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 07, 2013 07:07 AM (BeSEI)

44 Posted by: General Woundwort at February 07, 2013 07:07 AM (RrD4h)


Yeah but Christine O'Donnell sucked. Mike Castle was electable, I tell's ya!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2013 07:08 AM (XkWWK)

45 "Shut up and do what the government says," explained counter-cultural icon, Chris Rock.

Posted by: Truman North at February 07, 2013 07:08 AM (I2LwF)

46 We really don't need Republicans who talk about Republicans the way Democrats do.

Posted by: Golan Globus at February 07, 2013 06:51 AM (/1U3u)

If pure "conservative" Republicans like myself don't speak out and purge the party of the right wing Constitutional nuts, where will the country be (and what will it do to my bank account)?

Posted by: Karl Rover at February 07, 2013 07:08 AM (Cnqmv)

47 Yeah, I hate TFG more and more every day...

Posted by: Conservative Crank at February 07, 2013 07:08 AM (FqcJu)

48 #42 I know Rove was working for Fox, but I am positive he was advising Castle behind the scenes.

1. Out of nowhere Bush 41 endorsed Castle in the primary (probably because Rove asked for some help, and Bush 41 knew Castle from his early days in DC as a congressman).

2. How else to explain Rove's 3-day public hissy fit on Fox?

Posted by: Miss Marple at February 07, 2013 07:10 AM (GoIUi)

49 only the ones who vote for Dem Posted by: Vic at February 07, 2013 07:03 AM (53z96)

The "n" in that sample is zero in this population.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 07, 2013 07:11 AM (sbV1u)

50 Ask them to BE the Republican Party.


That IS good. I often wonder what we could accomplish with a good ad campaign, but none of the money folk seem to wonder about it or fund it.

Posted by: RushBabe at February 07, 2013 07:11 AM (tQHzJ)

51 I haven't listened to Hannity in months and I know Rove is one of his regulars. Wonder what he has to say now?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2013 07:11 AM (XkWWK)

52 I know we have a shit-ton of Massholes here but are there any others besides me from Bristol County?

Posted by: Truman North at February 07, 2013 07:12 AM (mS63v)

53 And never trust a guy who spells Carl with a K. Posted by: General Woundwort at February 07, 2013 07:07 AM (RrD4h)

Indeed.

Posted by: Karl Marx at February 07, 2013 07:13 AM (sbV1u)

54 Why, when Robert Gibbs talks of a 16 year old killed by a drone strike as "should have had a more responsible father", does the Gibbs video not become a catch all for the consequences of the liberal ideology?

Children are hungry and we need to raise taxes.

vid: "They should have more responsible fathers."

Chris Rock: "Obama is our father"

17 tril. in debt. vid: "America should have a more responsible father."

Gibbs is a first class cunt-whore and this comment should be the face of liberalism.

Misquote him. Sensationalize him. Plaster him all over. Fuck him.

Posted by: Opus An Arcus at February 07, 2013 07:14 AM (Zq061)

55 53 Karl Marx,

Damn straight....

//Karl Malden for Colonial Life

Posted by: sven10077 at February 07, 2013 07:14 AM (LRFds)

56 The word, as most Yiddish words most likely has its roots in the indigenous language that the Jews happened to land it, so it probably started as a Polish or other Slavic word.

Oh, yeah, I get that. I also figured with there being so many Polish Jews, our ancestors were neighbors somewhere along the way. My grandmother and momwere big on potato pancakes as well as schmaltz!

Posted by: RushBabe at February 07, 2013 07:15 AM (tQHzJ)

57 "We really don't need Republicans who talk about Republicans the way Democrats do."

I can think of a few morons that need this tatooed on their forehead.

Posted by: jwest at February 07, 2013 07:15 AM (ZDsRL)

58 55 53 Karl Marx,

Damn straight....

//Karl Malden for Colonial Life
Posted by: sven10077 at February 07, 2013 07:14 AM (LRFds)


Meh. Your real name is Mladen Zekulovich.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2013 07:17 AM (XkWWK)

59 Listening to WMAL this am

There's your problem. Bring back Andy and Grandy!

Posted by: pep at February 07, 2013 07:17 AM (YXmuI)

60 50 Ask them to BE the Republican Party.


That IS good. I often wonder what we could accomplish with a good ad campaign, but none of the money folk seem to wonder about it or fund it.



Absolutely. But since there are no money folks stepping up, it's up to us to carve out some territory-- I've picked these 20 cities and towns-- and do it on the ground and through social media. Almost one-on-one.

Good fucking lord I am tired of waiting for the Roves of the world.

Posted by: Truman North at February 07, 2013 07:18 AM (mS63v)

61 56 Posted by: RushBabe at February 07, 2013 07:15 AM (tQHzJ)

The cuisine was probably identical, with the exception of things that were not kosher.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2013 07:18 AM (XkWWK)

62 I can think of a few morons that need this tatooed on their forehead.

We also don't need conservatives who talk to conservatives the way proggs talk to us.

But what we need and what we get are completely different things.

Now shut up and eat your tree bark.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at February 07, 2013 07:18 AM (hO8IJ)

63 Kitties get fed around 5 or so.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2013 06:50 AM (XkWWK)

That sounds like my dogs. They are a better alarm clock that anything man-made. They know that 4:30 is time to get up. About 4:28, I hear them moving around and then I start getting poked with a wet nose.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at February 07, 2013 07:18 AM (Gkhxf)

64 And if you've got some time and some interest in higher ed, Mitch Daniels.
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2013302060307

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at February 07, 2013 07:19 AM (hO8IJ)

65 I haven't listened to Hannity in months and I know Rove is one of his regulars. Wonder what he has to say now?

He'll say whatever I tell him to say. And like it!

Posted by: Roger Ailes at February 07, 2013 07:19 AM (tQHzJ)

66 "25 Crony Corruption strikes again (please do not use “capitalism” in this kind of shit)"


Or as I call it for short, fascism.

Posted by: real joe, blue state hostage at February 07, 2013 07:20 AM (PD2ad)

67 But to be fair - conservatives don't need to label folks like Rubio a traitor and worse.

Posted by: Golan Globus at February 07, 2013 07:20 AM (/1U3u)

68 63 Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at February 07, 2013 07:18 AM (Gkhxf)


I have been pushing their meal times incrementally back each day, since I made the mistake of feeding them as soon as I got up, sometimes 4:30AM. They got used to that, so it got impossible to sleep in without being subjected to yowling, growling and being jumped on and nibbled.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2013 07:21 AM (XkWWK)

69 My Kitteh gets fed WHEN he wants food, regardless of time.

Posted by: Vic at February 07, 2013 07:21 AM (53z96)

70 it's up to us to carve out some territory-- I've picked these 20 cities
and towns-- and do it on the ground and through social media. Almost
one-on-one.


Could a guy who doesn't have a blog help?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 07, 2013 07:21 AM (nUH8H)

71 But to be fair - conservatives don't need to label folks like Rubio a traitor and worse.





Posted by: Golan Globus at February 07, 2013 07:20 AM (/1U3u)


No, we need to call him a back-stabbing RINO. Fuck Rubio

Posted by: Vic at February 07, 2013 07:22 AM (53z96)

72 2. How else to explain Rove's 3-day public hissy fit on Fox?


Posted by: Miss Marple at February 07, 2013 07:10 AM (GoIUi)


Your memory is the same as mine; in fact I'm pretty sure that Rove being an adviser for Castle was discussed here at the time. We certainly had a few Castle catamites here like that dickweed War Between the Undead States and other fuckheaded he-man wimmenz hatorz.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 07, 2013 07:22 AM (+Wtjm)

73 Actually, don't answer that here. I'm about to get my son up and ready for school (his school is having a "Donuts with Dad" thing this morning, so I'm taking him to school instead of him taking the bus as he normally does).

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 07, 2013 07:22 AM (nUH8H)

74 "69 My Kitteh gets fed WHEN he wants food, regardless of time."

Ditto. And he pays no attention to Daylight Savings time.

Posted by: real joe, blue state hostage at February 07, 2013 07:23 AM (PD2ad)

75 I see on Drudge where Leon Panetta wants to cut troops pay.
See...I know that to cut something means that you will have less then the original amount.
Then I read in the story that he wants to cut the proposed pay raise.
To me, that shout read "Panetta wants to reduce annual troop pay raise".
F*cking english....how does it work?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 07, 2013 07:23 AM (bTPOR)

76 To me, that shout read "Panetta wants to reduce annual troop pay raise".

It's still wrong. This is the "teachers and firefighters get cut first" ploy.

Posted by: pep at February 07, 2013 07:24 AM (YXmuI)

77 69 My Kitteh gets fed WHEN he wants food, regardless of time.
Posted by: Vic at February 07, 2013 07:21 AM (53z96)

Sheesh, do you have an escapee from the Sigfried and Roy show?!

:-)

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2013 07:25 AM (XkWWK)

78 Morning, ‘rons and ‘ronettes.


That’s an apt cartoon, Andy. Reminds me of that Jefferson quote about the mass of men not being born with spurs and saddles on their backs, to be ridden by a booted few.


Hey, Vic, did I ever tell you the story of the Pinocchio NYC premiere when the studio hired a bunch of midgets to frolic on top of the theater marquee? Seems that at lunch, someone snuck up some booze to them so that, by the afternoon, a dozen naked midgets were sleeping, pissing and playing cards while families were standing in line for tickets.


Well, let’s go on to today’s story:


When we think of the “Golden Age” of Hollywood, certain themes instantly leap to mind: beautiful black and white cinematography, perfectly costumed women, manly leading men. . .and wonderful music. Along with Max Steiner and Alfred Newman, the man who did the most to create a “Hollywood” sound was the Austrian composer Erich Wolfgang Korngold.


A child prodigy - Mahler called him a genius after hearing the nine-year old’s cantata Gold – he was invited to come over to the US in 1934 to arrange some of Mendelssohn’s incidental music to A Midsummer Night’s Dream for the Warner Brothers movie version.* Korngold, from the start, saw movies as ‘operas without singing,’ and, in the Wagnerian style of leitmotiv, wanted each character to have their own theme. Insisting that he meet all of the stars who were to play in Dream, one day Jimmy Cagney (who was playing Bottom, the weaver who is transformed into a man with a donkey’s head) walked into the Warners’ music department.


Cagney stuck out his hand to shake, but Korngold waved it away. “Not a word, Mr. Cagney!” he said. “Just stand there. Don’t do anything.” The composer then walked around Cagney a few times – “like a tailor,” the actor recalled - looking him up and down and whistling little snatches of music. After a few moments, he clapped his hands together. “Thank you. I am done.”


Cagney later said he felt like asking if he should come in the next week to make sure his theme fit him correctly!


And that’s it for me. Hope you all have a wonderful day. And wish Mary Cloggenstein a snow enema if you want, but spare a thought for poor MP3, who’s going to have to shovel / snowblow/ swear through all of the weekend, too!


*Hollywood studios had a track record of hiring important composers to create scores for their movies; after hearing his atypical Verklate Nacht, MGMs Irving Thalberg tried to hire Arnold Schoenberg to write the score for The Good Earth.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 07, 2013 07:25 AM (zF6Iw)

79 Better pics but I like Kate better. What say the Morons?



Variety is the spice of life. Also, generous side boob.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 07, 2013 07:26 AM (JDIKC)

80 That's cool Allen, I'm really good at not doing things.

Posted by: Truman North at February 07, 2013 07:26 AM (mS63v)

81 Barrel Time!

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 07, 2013 07:26 AM (zF6Iw)

82 But to be fair - conservatives don't need to label folks like Rubio a traitor and worse. Posted by: Golan Globus at February 07, 2013 07:20 AM (/1U3u) No, we need to call him a back-stabbing RINO. Fuck Rubio Posted by: Vic at February 07, 2013 07:22 AM (53z96)

QED

Posted by: Karl Marx at February 07, 2013 07:27 AM (sbV1u)

83 Better pics but I like Kate better. What say the Morons?

SFW

http://is.gd/fDqbzb

Posted by: Vic at February 07, 2013 06:55 AM (53z96)

How are we supposed to tell if Nina is hot? You can hardly see her elbows in those pictures.

Posted by: Zombie John Gotti at February 07, 2013 07:28 AM (Gkhxf)

84 Seems that at lunch, someone snuck up some booze to them so that, by the
afternoon, a dozen naked midgets were sleeping, pissing and playing
cards while families were standing in line for tickets.




LOL, I read about that somewhere

Posted by: Vic at February 07, 2013 07:28 AM (53z96)

85 LOL, I read about that somewhere

Like the newspaper the next day, right?




Aaaaand... I'm out. BBL.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 07, 2013 07:29 AM (nUH8H)

86 54 Why, when Robert Gibbs talks of a 16 year old killed by a drone strike as "should have had a more responsible father", does the Gibbs video not become a catch all for the consequences of the liberal ideology? Children are hungry and we need to raise taxes. vid: "They should have more responsible fathers." Chris Rock: "Obama is our father" 17 tril. in debt. vid: "America should have a more responsible father." Gibbs is a first class cunt-whore and this comment should be the face of liberalism. Misquote him. Sensationalize him. Plaster him all over. Fuck him.
Posted by: Opus An Arcus at February 07, 2013 07:14 AM (Zq061)
This +1000. I also like Truman North's plan.

Vic, I sense some misplaced rage. Sure, Rubio looks like he's going to f*ck us good on immigration, but let's not throw out the baby with the bath water--he can do us a lot of good too. If 100% conservative orthodoxy is the litmus test we're going to use, we're going to purify the conservative movement out of existence.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at February 07, 2013 07:29 AM (FqcJu)

87 78 *Hollywood studios had a track record of hiring important composers to create scores for their movies; after hearing his atypical Verklate Nacht, MGMs Irving Thalberg tried to hire Arnold Schoenberg to write the score for The Good Earth.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 07, 2013 07:25 AM (zF6Iw)


A little tidbit that illustrates the friction between, and jealousy of, L.B. Mayer and Thalberg. When the latter first told L.B. that he was going to make Pearl Buck's classic "The Good Earth" into production, Mayer barked at him, "Irving, Americans don't want to see movies about American farmers. Why the hell do you think they're going to want to see a movie about Chinese farmers?!"

It went on to win several Academy Awards, including for best actor and actress Paul Muni and Luisa Rainer. (Heh, two Germans playing Chinese farmers).

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2013 07:30 AM (XkWWK)

88
2. How else to explain Rove's 3-day public hissy fit on Fox?

Posted by: Miss Marple at February 07, 2013 07:10 AM (GoIUi)


Does that also explain Ace's multi-day hissy fit?

Posted by: Ed Anger at February 07, 2013 07:30 AM (tOkJB)

89 1. Bozell isn't a hater but he is a dork. Rove is worse.

2. Reagan's 11th Commandment should be followed. I know we need to sort things out as a party, but this internecine warfare is not healthy.

3. Barack Obama is not my boss, and he damn sure isn't my father. He is my employee.

4. As a group (with large numbers of individuals obviously excepted), American blacks are incredibly racist, intolerant people by modern standards. As with the whinier Muslims, I am not inclined to be tolerant of intolerant people. The bottom line is that you can be equals or you can be victims but you can't be both.

5. The Daily Kitteh looks much like our own little gem. Little bastard actually seemed happy when the dog died. The cat was a stray who wandered up wet as a kitten; you get what you get I guess.

Posted by: Blacksheep at February 07, 2013 07:31 AM (bS6uW)

90 If 100% conservative orthodoxy is the litmus test we're going to use, we're going to purify the conservative movement out of existence. Posted by: Conservative Crank at February 07, 2013 07:29 AM (FqcJu)

Why stop now?

Never let the good be the enemy of the perfect.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 07, 2013 07:31 AM (sbV1u)

91 My Kitteh gets fed WHEN he wants food, regardless of time.

My kitteh gets fed when I wake up. The other kitteh gets his leftovers.


This might be why they keep trying to kill me.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at February 07, 2013 07:31 AM (hO8IJ)

92 OTOH, nobody ever went broke betting against Dickie Morris either.

Posted by: owlpellets at February 07, 2013 07:32 AM (dmEoV)

93 If 100% conservative orthodoxy is the litmus test
we're going to use, we're going to purify the conservative movement out
of existence.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at February 07, 2013 07:29 AM (FqcJu)

Amnesty is one of my triggers for RINO. Piss on your so-called "purity" shit. I am tired of that cranky shit.

Posted by: Vic at February 07, 2013 07:32 AM (53z96)

94 It went on to win several Academy Awards, including
for best actor and actress Paul Muni and Luisa Rainer. (Heh, two
Germans playing Chinese farmers).

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2013 07:30 AM (XkWWK)

Which shows you why the Oscars have always been political shit.

Posted by: Vic at February 07, 2013 07:33 AM (53z96)

95 If 100% conservative orthodoxy is the litmus test we're going to use

Lol. I'll be dead in the cold cold ground before that ever happens. The real test is "who lies most convincingly to the rubes about being conservative while working best with the proggs to implement a fascist state."

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at February 07, 2013 07:35 AM (hO8IJ)

96 The WSJ story on it says Richard II got a sword up his ass or so says the autopsy of his just-discovered bones. Just one of his "humiliation wounds." Also says his naked corpse was dragged behind a horse for fifteen miles.

If this is what happens to political enemies killed in the heat of battle, then why were we so kind to UBL?

Current events are telling us that the American Sheeple loves them those drone strikes by their Commander in Sheep, the body parts of all, bad guys and their families, pureed.

So, killing bad guys and their nephews and such with extreme prejudice is good, particularly when our Commander in Skeet does it.

But giving them a little simulated drowning, and we all go into no-no mode.

So why not let our Video Game Warrior in Chief do more, like drawing and quartering, and putting it up on YouTube and the nightly news? Since we are all into it, I mean? Like Mogadishu, back at ya.

Posted by: The littl shyning man at February 07, 2013 07:35 AM (PH+2B)

97 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 07, 2013 07:30 AM (XkWWK)

And Schoenberg didn't want to write for Hollywood, anyway, so one of his demands (in order for Thalberg to dismiss him) was that he would write the music first, and all of the actors would speak their lines in whatever key he happened to be in at the time.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 07, 2013 07:37 AM (zF6Iw)

98 Vic, you never read that old book "How to Win Friends and Influence People" did you?

LOL!

Posted by: Miss Marple at February 07, 2013 07:37 AM (GoIUi)

99 "But giving them a little simulated drowning, and we all go into no-no mode."


Surely you are not looking for intellectual consistency from our betters on the Left?

Posted by: real joe, blue state hostage at February 07, 2013 07:38 AM (PD2ad)

100 #96 Richard III, not II.

Posted by: Miss Marple at February 07, 2013 07:39 AM (GoIUi)

101 Speaking of cognitive dissonance, what are the Code Pink bitches up to nowadays?

Posted by: Icedog at February 07, 2013 07:40 AM (9ScGj)

102 Vic, I think you missed the clause where I expressed my displeasure about the pivot on immigration? You seem like you are all about realpolitick when it comes to foreign policy, we should apply the same standard here. Find me an electable alternative in Florida that gives us everything else Rubio does AND will block amnesty as well, and I'll cheer you on. But since Zombie Reagan isn't planning to primary him according to my sources, we do the best we can. I'm not saying we as conservatives compromise our own beliefs, I'm saying that if we fail to support those who agree with us on most matters because of individual hereseys, we'll be left with--who, exactly?

Posted by: Conservative Crank at February 07, 2013 07:40 AM (FqcJu)

103 "Donuts with Dad"

Dude, your school allows donuts?
If a guy had a blog, that would be a blog post in itself.

Posted by: comatus at February 07, 2013 07:41 AM (qaVK+)

104 57 -

Thanks, Jwest, I couldn't agree more!

Posted by: R. Perry at February 07, 2013 07:42 AM (BeSEI)

105 Posted by: Miss Marple at February 07, 2013 07:39 AM (GoIUi)

Meh. They were both Dicks.

Thank you, thank you. I'll be here all week.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 07, 2013 07:42 AM (nUH8H)

106 I too have been found prostrate in a parking lot. Greatness beckons.

Posted by: Blacksheep at February 07, 2013 07:42 AM (bS6uW)

107 #64Heather Radish - thanks for the link to Mitch Daniels' letter. My daughter has applied to Purdue and while we have taught our children well in the conservative 'way'; some of the schools she applied to made my skin crawl. U of Chicago has sent some amazing shit to my house about diversity and wymyns bs...

I hope Mr. Daniels can keep his perspective after his immersion in the academia cesspool. That letter gives me hope.

Posted by: Dish of Red at February 07, 2013 07:42 AM (Dmq63)

108 Dude, your school allows donuts?
If a guy had a blog, that would be a blog post in itself.


They're getting around the normal rules by having it way before school and strictly voluntary.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 07, 2013 07:43 AM (nUH8H)

109 Why can't Republicans attack Democrats like they attack each other? The Dems ALWAYS circle the wagon and defend any and all Dem pond scum (unless they been caught with video tape of whatever today's version of a "live boy or a dead hooker" is).

Posted by: Hrothgar - Discouraged Former Republican Voter at February 07, 2013 07:43 AM (Cnqmv)

110 OK, folks, got to run. Have to see about getting as much work done today that allows me to take off early tomorrow ahead of the storm. bbl.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 07, 2013 07:43 AM (zF6Iw)

111 Posted by: Conservative Crank at February 07, 2013 07:40 AM (FqcJu)


The only Republican I liked left and went to a magazine. He thinks the Party sucks just as much as I do. Piss on them all I am out of it now.

Posted by: Vic at February 07, 2013 07:44 AM (53z96)

112 "Dude, your school allows donuts?"

Don't get too excited...they're made out of soybean, bean sprouts and shredded copies of the Bill of Rights.

Posted by: Icedog at February 07, 2013 07:44 AM (9ScGj)

113 OTOH, nobody ever went broke betting against Dickie Morris either.


Posted by: owlpellets at February 07, 2013 07:32 AM

****
Or Stacy McCain.

Posted by: Department of Accuracy at February 07, 2013 07:45 AM (+I8Mq)

114 Speaking of cognitive dissonance, what are the Code Pink bitches up to nowadays?

I could be wrong, but as far as I know about the same. But in the glorious age of President Skeeter and the ongoing war with Eastasia, we hear very little about them.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at February 07, 2013 07:45 AM (BrQrN)

115 [W]hat are the Code Pink bitches up to nowadays?

Same thing as all the lefty protest groups, not a damn thing. When a Republican is elected, they will again pretend to be outraged by actions they now sit and watch without criticism.

Posted by: Blacksheep at February 07, 2013 07:46 AM (bS6uW)

116 I'm no rocket surgeon but if we add 44 million guys named Juan to our nation in one sitting we're gonna have to 5 alarm patronage FreeShit cannon to peel off a blaock demographic.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 07, 2013 07:46 AM (TppKI)

117 *block voting demographic rather

Posted by: sven10077 at February 07, 2013 07:47 AM (TppKI)

118 donuts made out of soybean, bean sprouts and shredded copies of the Bill of Rights.....



There's no such thing......as a bill of rights

Posted by: Department of Accuracy at February 07, 2013 07:47 AM (+I8Mq)

119 Where did I say anything about the GOP? I'm talking about conservatives. The GOP just happens to be the only path to go through to get conservatives elected at this time.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at February 07, 2013 07:47 AM (FqcJu)

120 #114 Code Pink was over in Egypt right before Mubarak got pushed out. Also Richard Trumpka was there as well.

No one ever asks anyone about this. I suspect they were carrying messages and money to the MB people, but we will probably never know.

Posted by: Miss Marple at February 07, 2013 07:47 AM (GoIUi)

121 re: "after hearing his atypical Verklate Nacht, MGMs Irving Thalberg tried to hire Arnold Schoenberg to write the score for The Good Earth."

In score-time, Schoenberg made more Wagnerian stuff like "Verklarte Nacht" than trademark-Schoenberg stuff people hate. Dude's PR is horrible (or really good).

The music he started writing for The Good Earth before he got canned is weirdly American-sounding, with barely a hint of "himself" in it. If someone played it for you and said Charles Ives or Leonard Bernstein did it, you'd believe it.

Posted by: oblig. at February 07, 2013 07:47 AM (cePv8)

122
All Rove runs these days is his fat mouth. And the Harriet Miers Dan club.

Posted by: MSM's Banks of Fact Checkers at February 07, 2013 07:49 AM (Jcd0S)

123 Fan, dammit!

Posted by: MSM's Banks of Fact Checkers at February 07, 2013 07:50 AM (Jcd0S)

124 Code Pink was over in Egypt right before Mubarak got pushed out. Also Richard Trumpka was there as well.

No
one ever asks anyone about this. I suspect they were carrying messages
and money to the MB people, but we will probably never know.


Posted by: Miss Marple at February 07, 2013 07:47 AM (GoIUi)


So was Bill Ayers and his co-conspirator wife iirc; definitely shilling for the Mooooooooooslim Brotherhood shitheads.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 07, 2013 07:51 AM (+Wtjm)

125 Amnesty is one of my triggers for RINO. Piss on your so-called "purity" shit. I am tired of that cranky shit.


Posted by: Vic at February 07, 2013 07:32 AM (53z96)


I think the amnesty business will be "solved" with a normal big government (approved by "conservatives" like Rubio, McCain, et all, basically the Gang of Bullsh*t). The citizens of the country will be ill-served (as usual), and with an influx of non-English speaking voters overwhelming the few remaining English speaking voters, voter fraud will push Dem candidates over the line by 12:00 noon on Election Day 2016.
No longer does the Rule of Law apply (and it is but a faint memory), but the Rule of Tyrannical Power has taken over.

Posted by: Hrothgar - Discouraged Former Republican Voter at February 07, 2013 07:51 AM (Cnqmv)

126 Vic, at one point to principles become a liabilty? Never?

If standing by your principles ensures the death of your children's future, is it still honorable not to bend?

I'm conflicted myself....

Posted by: Icedog at February 07, 2013 07:51 AM (9ScGj)

127 #120
#114 Code Pink was over in Egypt right before Mubarak got pushed out. Also Richard Trumpka was there as well.

No
one ever asks anyone about this. I suspect they were carrying messages
and money to the MB people, but we will probably never know.


Posted by: Miss Marple at February 07, 2013 07:47

Ayers was there with Jodie Evans too. They distributed thousands of cell phones and set up a subversive media network to organize the mayhem and takeover by the Muslim Brotherhood. So the closest friends of Barack Obama mechanized a coup against Mubarak.

Posted by: Department of Accuracy at February 07, 2013 07:51 AM (+I8Mq)

128 Kernel of a thought: why do our requirement of conservatism always get bent into "extreme views" to be bargained away from?

We need to demand more so we can bargain our way to what we really want.

Posted by: Truman North at February 07, 2013 07:52 AM (mS63v)

129 " I too have been found prostrate in a parking lot "

I honestly read that as "I found my prostate in a parking lot"

As a prostate cancer, and surgery survivor myself, it actually made sense to me.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 07, 2013 07:54 AM (bTPOR)

130 #128
You're already at Satanic Racist Hatred and Nazi Oppression.
Where do you go from there?

Posted by: Department of Accuracy at February 07, 2013 07:55 AM (+I8Mq)

131 I'm conflicted myself....

Posted by: Icedog at February 07, 2013 07:51 AM (9ScGj)


Republicans were for the most part already just the lesser of the evils. Here lately with thier push to truly become the same as Democrats which is what the stupid SOBs think caused them to lose in 2012 I no longer give a shit what they think.

As I said, piss on them all LIB.

Posted by: Vic at February 07, 2013 07:55 AM (53z96)

132 Posted by: Truman North at February 07, 2013 07:52 AM (mS63v)

A Communist media helps immensely!

Posted by: Hrothgar - Discouraged Former Republican Voter at February 07, 2013 07:55 AM (Cnqmv)

133 We need to demand more so we can bargain our way to what we really want.

Complete opposite of the tactic libs use. They prefer the slow boil or death by a 1000 cuts. Mention "slippery slope" and they just laugh and accuse you of being paranoid...

Posted by: Icedog at February 07, 2013 07:57 AM (9ScGj)

134 Morning all.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 07, 2013 07:57 AM (9Bj8R)

135 Morning rons.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 07, 2013 07:59 AM (l86i3)

136 Morning all Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 07, 2013 07:57 AM (9Bj8R)

Morning doc. I'd like a root canal please.

Yes. A long, slow, root canal.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 07, 2013 07:59 AM (sbV1u)

137 What Vic typed.

Posted by: Yup at February 07, 2013 07:59 AM (8Jp6C)

138 130 #128
You're already at Satanic Racist Hatred and Nazi Oppression.
Where do you go from there?
Posted by: Department of Accuracy at February 07, 2013 07:55 AM (+I8Mq)



Then we get serious.


Complete opposite of the tactic libs use. They prefer the slow boil or death by a 1000 cuts. Mention "slippery slope" and they just laugh and accuse you of being paranoid...

That would be great if our politicians were trying to get us to where we want like theirs do for them. But they're not.

We need to tell our guys in no uncertain terms that we want waaaay more than we do, so when they do stab us in the face, the deal they cut is actually a good one for us.

Posted by: Truman North at February 07, 2013 07:59 AM (mS63v)

139 Time for class.

Posted by: Truman North at February 07, 2013 08:00 AM (mS63v)

140 Anti-amnesty is only extreme if you accept the leftist premise.
Unless we're going to go all extraconstitutional on the country's ass, though, we are a looooooong way from passing even thebasic elements of theTea Party platform, yet alone a conservative Utopia. Win the battles we can today, and continue the long game. In the meantime, yes, I will support the Paul Ryans and Marco Rubios, because they get us closer than the available alternatives. Find me a better alternative and I'm all for it, but don't expect me to start cutting off my nose to spite my face.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at February 07, 2013 08:00 AM (FqcJu)

141 We need to tell our guys in no uncertain terms that we want waaaay more than we do, so when they do stab us in the face, the deal they cut is actually a good one for us. Posted by: Truman North at February 07, 2013 07:59 AM (mS63v)

That implies they are listening to us in the first place.

That's a dubious assumption.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 07, 2013 08:00 AM (sbV1u)

142 Oregon man claims female IRS worker demanded sex to avoid tax penalty ...

http://tinyurl.com/a6flrsw

... he should have known when his 60-day letter was signed AWIK (audited with ...) /jk

Posted by: Blacksheep at February 07, 2013 08:02 AM (bS6uW)

143 We shook up the world!
We shook up the world!

0-8 in league play TCU defeats 19-2 on the year KU.
First, Ok. St. snaps KU's 39 game home court winning streak, then TCU hands them their first back to back loss in 264 games.

It's not that I'm happy about this as KU is my second favorite team and I hope they get their rebounding and guard play problems worked out.
Just not till after Big Monday when my Wildcats, who are now tied for first in the Big 12, travel to Allen Fieldhouse.

Posted by: teej at February 07, 2013 08:03 AM (erdCz)

144 I am tired of the infighting and nasty comments about people. Vic says he only liked DeMint. Well, he took himself out of politics.

As citizens, we do not get to choose the most perfect person for president. We look at the choices, and are expected to vote based on which one we think would do the best job.

I sincerely hope we can muster enough unity and smarts to get a good candidate with a good message. Most importantly, I think the GOP needs to quit apologizing for conservative positions and start asking why the dem position is supposed to be so all-fired moral and awesome.


Posted by: Miss Marple at February 07, 2013 08:03 AM (GoIUi)

145 As citizens, we do not get to choose the most perfect person for president. We look at the choices, and are expected to vote based on which one we think would do the best job.


YEAH. But I really wish our choices were better.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 07, 2013 08:05 AM (l86i3)

146 So the closest friends of Barack Obama mechanized a coup against Mubarak.


Posted by: Department of Accuracy at February 07, 2013 07:51 AM (+I8Mq)


Does anybody remember when Slick was using the White House as his personal orgy playpen, that Carville, teh Forehead and other donk skidmarks went to Israel to meddle in their elections on behalf of Ehud Barak? I was outraged at the time that our country was fucking around in the election of an ally and of course the MFM was bent over waiting for a golden shower from their hillbilly hero. Am I overlooking any Repub administration doing that?

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 07, 2013 08:05 AM (+Wtjm)

147 Mangez de ma viande. Raw.
P.S. Does Al Sharpton have cancer or is he just a cancer?

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 07, 2013 08:05 AM (wbmaj)

148 Dems win by running in the middle...and then govern from the left.

Republicans run in the middle (and lose) or run from the right (and win)...and then govern from the middle.

Fast death or slow death...pick your poison.

Posted by: Icedog at February 07, 2013 08:06 AM (9ScGj)

149 As long as you support RINOs and "moderates" that is all you will get.



And remember, a "moderate" is a liberal in denial. And that ain't a river in Egypt.


Piss on them all.

Posted by: Vic at February 07, 2013 08:06 AM (53z96)

150 Does anybody remember when Slick was using the White House as his personal orgy playpen, that Carville, teh Forehead and other donk skidmarks went to Israel to meddle in their elections on behalf of Ehud Barak? I was outraged at the time that our country was fucking around in the election of an ally and of course the MFM was bent over waiting for a golden shower from their hillbilly hero. Am I overlooking any Repub administration doing that?
Posted by: Captain Hate at February 07, 2013 08:05 AM (+Wtjm)

You mean when he turned the licoln bedroom into a by the hour motel?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 07, 2013 08:06 AM (l86i3)

151 Agreed, OSP. But when life gives you lemons, you settle for lemonade. Have to wait around for the grain for the single malt.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at February 07, 2013 08:06 AM (FqcJu)

152 The livestream of TFG at the "National Prayer Breakfast" doesn't work for me, which is just as well, because I'll have to see it over and over on the TV in the lobby at work.

How's that work, anyway? "Dear Me, I am wondrous. Please continue to bestow My blessings on My subjects. Me Akbar!"

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at February 07, 2013 08:08 AM (hO8IJ)

153 #145 If wishes were horses then beggars would ride.

Yes, I wish a Reagan would appear. I wish Perry hadn't flamed out. I wish Romney had had a better campaign.

You just have to do the best you can. As Rumsfeld said, "You go to war with the army you have."

Posted by: Miss Marple at February 07, 2013 08:08 AM (GoIUi)

154 Hotty toddy everybody, Ole Miss makes a major splash on signing day:

http://tinyurl.com/ajghtvh

The SEC West is a beast. Seriously.

Posted by: Blacksheep at February 07, 2013 08:08 AM (bS6uW)

155 :::126 Vic, at one point to principles become a liabilty? Never?

If standing by your principles ensures the death of your children's future, is it still honorable not to bend?

I'm conflicted myself....
Posted by: Icedog at February 07, 2013 07:51 AM (9ScGj):::


That is a good point. In business, I am often forced to do something less than smart to placate a client, in order to keep the lights on, cash flowing and profits rolling. Compromise is the worst of all possible worlds, because instead of each side getting some of what they want, it's usually a fucked up hybrid that leave everyone unsatisfied, "but hey, at least we're doing *something*."

However.

Adding 11 million Free Shitters to the membership rolls is political, cultural and financial suicide. Fuck that. All that does is accelerate the fall of our republic. It's going to fall, regardless. I'm not okay with helping it along.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 07, 2013 08:10 AM (JDIKC)

156 #152 I can't believe he even showed up at the Prayer Breakfast. It's probably full of the type of ministers that were at the Inauguration.

Another good reason not to turn on my TV.

Posted by: Miss Marple at February 07, 2013 08:10 AM (GoIUi)

157
>>>We certainly had a few Castle catamites here like that dickweed War Between the Undead States and other fuckheaded he-man wimmenz hatorz.


Hey! That's no way to talk about Ace and Droom.

Posted by: soothsayer takes a load off granny at February 07, 2013 08:11 AM (+oin+)

158 Posted by: Vic at February 07, 2013 06:53 AM (53z96)

If you are too stupid to know that potato salad is potatoes and mayonnaise and isn't a diet food, or that fried chicken is chicken and batter and oil, then you deserve to get fat, clog your arteries and die.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 07, 2013 08:12 AM (GsoHv)

159 I know nothing about guns and have a concern about safety for my family. What is a first gun for a woman to use, a man? and if your state regulations are too strict can you buy them online?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 07, 2013 08:12 AM (PxYrx)

160 Vic, give us the alternatives. We're not going to have (I hope) a generation of anarchy and rebuild from the ashes. Revolutions are ugly things, even with the best intentions. If you want to call anyone who doesn't adhere strictly to the Bible by Vic a moderate, you're crippling yourself and your putative allies. This isn't total war, you don't get to bring a bigger gun and force the unconditional surrendur of your enemies--they'll never agree to it given there is no existential threat to the leftist scum. This is a process, it will take time, and that will mean using and even accepting to a degree those who are not as pure or as holy if they get you closer to your ultimate goal.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at February 07, 2013 08:13 AM (FqcJu)

161 This cartoon is proof positive why I doubt we will win again. And no, i'm not saying that as in agreement w/ the portrayal of Rove.

Posted by: HHR Senator AuthorLMendez, El Patron at February 07, 2013 08:13 AM (yAor6)

162 Posted by: Miss Marple at February 07, 2013 08:10 AM (GoIUi)


It must have been a "Black Liberation and Reparations" Prayer Breakfast!

Posted by: Hrothgar - Discouraged Former Republican Voter at February 07, 2013 08:14 AM (Cnqmv)

163 Things we'd love to hear...."In order to facilitate and aid our 20,000,000 new citizens, all welfare, unemployment and EBT benefits will immediately be reduced by 50%".

Posted by: Icedog at February 07, 2013 08:15 AM (9ScGj)

164
Droom cracks me up.

One day he's shitting all over the Tea Party Republicans for not playing ball in Congress, the next day he's pissing his pants over Boehner for caving.

Posted by: soothsayer takes a load off granny at February 07, 2013 08:15 AM (GcwH1)

165 #154 They must have upgraded their hookers/cash incentives. "Student athletes." Good one.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 07, 2013 08:15 AM (wbmaj)

166 Fenlon Spoke -

Might I suggest you Kindle So You Want to Own a Gun by Robert Owens before you start. Good, brief overview of the relevant first-time gun buying factors.

Posted by: Blacksheep at February 07, 2013 08:16 AM (bS6uW)

167
Better pics but I like Kate better. What say the Morons?


You just asked me if i wanted 'six or a half dozen'!

Posted by: Cicero Kid at February 07, 2013 08:17 AM (H/HtC)

168 56Rushbabe

Hello from Down Under

Schmalz!!!! My heritage is central European, Catholic and my mother used to make schmalz which we had on rye or black bread - sprinkled with salt.....


Haven't had this for years and years but now at 12.15am Friday morning I have a craving for this....

Posted by: aussie at February 07, 2013 08:17 AM (8tH2L)

169 This cartoon is proof positive why I doubt we will win again. And no, i'm not saying that as in agreement w/ the portrayal of Rove.
Posted by: HHR Senator AuthorLMendez, El Patron at February 07, 2013 08:13 AM (yAor6)

I saw Rove on Hannity the other day. I had never seen him more animated trying to defend himself against the acusations of trying to destroy the Tea Party influence. He was almost like an animated teenager that rehearsed a lie and told it with conviction. He doth protest too much. It's clear his operation has less to do with America than increasing his power, influence and bottom line.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 07, 2013 08:18 AM (l86i3)

170 Things we'd love to hear...."In order to facilitate and aid our 20,000,000 new citizens, all welfare, unemployment and EBT benefits will immediately be reduced by 50%". Posted by: Icedog at February 07, 2013 08:15 AM (9ScGj)

Heads....exploding.

It would be AWESOME!!!!!!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 07, 2013 08:18 AM (sbV1u)

171
Morning doc. I'd like a root canal please.

Yes. A long, slow, root canal.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 07, 2013 07:59 AM (sbV1u)

Would be much better than having obama in the White House of the next 4 years?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 07, 2013 08:18 AM (9Bj8R)

172
we're expecting over a foot of snow in Boston tomorrow night

#snowisforthebirds

Posted by: soothsayer takes a load off granny at February 07, 2013 08:19 AM (1WM2H)

173 Republican Strategy 101
1. This isn't the hill to die on!
2. We don't really need that hill either!
3. That looks like a valley, not a hill to die on!
4. How did we get here with our sea at our backs and no avenue for retreat?
5. Let's compromise since we've never really been at war with Eastasia!
6. Profit!

Posted by: Hrothgar - Discouraged Former Republican Voter at February 07, 2013 08:19 AM (Cnqmv)

174 Would be much better than having obama in the White House of the next 4 years? Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 07, 2013 08:18 AM (9Bj8R)

That's exactly where I am going with that thought.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 07, 2013 08:19 AM (sbV1u)

175
They paved Paradise, put up a prostate lot?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at February 07, 2013 08:20 AM (Jcd0S)

176 @160 CC - That sounds all thoughtful and reasonable and stuff BUT we've played that game for how many decades now? And it's gotten us where?

Posted by: teej at February 07, 2013 08:20 AM (SYS+p)

177 http://preview.tinyurl.com/b76zjfv
I'm with Lord.

Posted by: Thorvald at February 07, 2013 08:21 AM (1V6Pv)

178 Aussie, please tell me you don't eat Marmite...

Posted by: Icedog at February 07, 2013 08:21 AM (9ScGj)

179 Well, what can you do? We were right on Obama Care, goes all the way to the Supreme Court and Justice Roberts,of all people, changes the wording to make it legal. We can't win because Washington D.C. and the State Media have the system rigged. Our Constitution died a long time ago andwhat bits and pieces thatare leftis being stomped on every day. We don't have fair elections because the State Media have sold themselves out to the Donk party. Our military is being gutted. Our debt has soared out of sight. The government lies to us about a recovery that nobody sees. Evil is the person who has more than you. Evil are straight men. Evil are people of faith. White people are evil. It just goes on and on. Whatever is running this country anymore it damn sure is not common sense.

Posted by: Case at February 07, 2013 08:22 AM (gyQY/)

180 It's clear his operation has less to do with America than increasing his power, influence and bottom line.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 07, 2013 08:18 AM (l86i3)

It's clear he is one of the many elites (R, D, I, C, S)that firmly believe that what is good for HIS power, influence and bottom line is good for the nation. It is also clear that he does not believe the converse!

Posted by: Hrothgar - Discouraged Former Republican Voter at February 07, 2013 08:22 AM (Cnqmv)

181
oh and Scott Brown might be a Fox News contributor

#thatshouldgooverwellwiththebase

Posted by: soothsayer takes a load off granny at February 07, 2013 08:23 AM (052zE)

182 Yeah I watched Rove on Hannity and have a question: He brought out that stupid fucking white board where he had highlighted how much money his organization had tossed in for Rubio. Despite what we now might think of Rubio, at the time if he wasn't Tea Party (which I think he was) he was running, both in the primary and the general, against that corrupt orange pile of diarrhea Cheeto Crist. Does anybody know if Rove's group tossed in money for that senile fuck at any time? It's hard to imagine he didn't because wasn't Crist one of the cornerstones of his Permanent Republican Majority?

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 07, 2013 08:23 AM (+Wtjm)

183 Off to play jurisprude for the evil corporations. Humbug, everyone.

Posted by: Blacksheep at February 07, 2013 08:23 AM (bS6uW)

184 Oh Horde, you are the only ones who will understand my pain. I got stuck in traffic this morning behind a car that had a it's a child not a choice bumper sticker on one side and an Obama Biden 2012 bumper sticker on the other. It took everything in me not to slam into them and then haul them out of the car and beat them until my hands shattered.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 07, 2013 08:23 AM (VtjlW)

185 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 07, 2013 08:23 AM (VtjlW)


Wouldn't that be classified as justifiable road rage?

Posted by: Hrothgar - Discouraged Former Republican Voter at February 07, 2013 08:25 AM (Cnqmv)

186
Posted by: aussie at February 07, 2013 08:17 AM (8tH2L)


No schmalz for you! You will get vegemite and like it!

Posted by: Cicero Kid at February 07, 2013 08:25 AM (H/HtC)

187 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 07, 2013 08:23 AM (VtjlW)

But your impulse control was once again on. I'm getting that same visceral reaction to simple things, like Obama bumper stickers.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 07, 2013 08:27 AM (l86i3)

188 AoSHQ Reporting!

Yesterday, Mom pulls gun at Chuck-E-Cheese's. Chambers a round. Her name: Tawana Bourne of Connecticut.

2011 - Tawana Bourne at Representative Rosa DeLauro (Democrat) meeting talking about how she has to cut back on budget keeping in mind the needs of her children.

Tawana Bourne - She Thinks a Gun is Part of a Responsible Family Budget, so Should You.
_

Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 07, 2013 08:27 AM (RuUvx)

189 Let's take an example of someone who can be an ally but isn't conservative: Donald Trump.

Trump is pro-choice, pretty much meh on gay marriage, and has a chequered past.

On the other hand, he is pro-American, pro-business, and very strong on dealing with China.

There is no reason he couldn't be an ally, even if he isn't a conservative as the word is traditionally used.

Plus, he does know how to get a message out, something we sorely need.

Posted by: Miss Marple at February 07, 2013 08:28 AM (GoIUi)

190 178 Icedog

Hate the stuff but I'm a big fan of VEGEMITE!!!

Toast, lots of butter and Vegemite - as I can't have schmalz I 'm going to have a midnight snack of Vegemite on toast......

Posted by: aussie at February 07, 2013 08:28 AM (8tH2L)

191 Our military is being gutted Posted by: Case at February 07, 2013 08:22 AM (gyQY/)

Just one comment on this and I think Jean, who also works in the Five-Sided Squirrel Cage, would agree.

The military is not being "gutted." Yes, it is being reduced, but there's a big difference between "gutted," which implies a complete inability to perform the mission, and "reduced" which means we're just not going to be able to do all the missions we're doing now.

What WILL gut the military is the mandate under sequestration to take a salami slice off of every program evenly. That is idiocy. But if Congress will give DoD the flexibility to move money around to make smart calls on program funding levels, then the pain is minimized. Sen. Inhofe proposed this the other day...hopefully the rest of the Congressional Special Ed class will go along with it.

I am not saying there will be no pain - there will. I am saying that you should not assume DoD will not perform when needed.

Perhaps the reductions at DoD will mean that JEF won't be throwing our weight around in Third World shitholes that mean nothing to us...like Libya.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 07, 2013 08:29 AM (sbV1u)

192 I got stuck in traffic this morning behind a car that had a it's a child not a choice bumper sticker on one side and an Obama Biden 2012 bumper sticker on the other

Ah yes,logic in the land of Leftardia.

Bush is a fascist dictator! Only the military should have guns!

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at February 07, 2013 08:30 AM (BrQrN)

193 Posted by: Miss Marple at February 07, 2013 08:28 AM (GoIUi)

He's a crony capitalist. He abuses eminent domain and the like.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at February 07, 2013 08:31 AM (FsUAO)

194 Teej, there has never been a concerted effort by the GOP to play the long game (at least not a conservative one), and the conservative movement as a whole hasn't been too good at it from where I'm sitting. So I disagree with your premise that we have been doing it.

Look, Reagan was an anomaly, he did as much in 8 years as liberals have accomplished in 60. It is very unlikely we will get a second bite at that apple. Instead, we need to expand the battlefield, make it cultural as well as political. Fight every battle, concede nothing without making it cost the enemy precious treasure. This is going to be a generational struggle to tear out the roots of socialism that have been allowed to grow in this country almost unchecked for 80 years. Organize, find the conservatives with the money to spread around and who are willing to play the long game, then spend it where it helps--reforming the teaching cadre and the curriculum, promote responsibility and patriotism in entertainment and media. Do that and we can tame the govermental beast. Make politicians honor their pledges for conservative actions, vote them out if they don't. Always try to work everything, even daily conversations, just a tad to the right.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at February 07, 2013 08:31 AM (FqcJu)

195 It took everything in me not to slam into them and then haul them out of the car and beat them until my hands shattered. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 07, 2013 08:23 AM (VtjlW)

G'day m'lady.

Tea? Perhaps chamomile to calm your nerves?

On the other hand, it is almost feeding time for Ripper.

Posted by: Sean Bannion, in Downton Abbey mode at February 07, 2013 08:31 AM (sbV1u)

196 But your impulse control was once again on. I'm
getting that same visceral reaction to simple things, like Obama bumper
stickers.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 07, 2013 08:27 AM (l86i3)


I'm almost to the point that if I witnessed an accident between somebody with a JEF sticker and another car, and the other car was at fault, I'd lie and say it was the Bammy shill's fault. Almost.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 07, 2013 08:31 AM (+Wtjm)

197 Want some potato salad from the local supermarket? Its going to cost you a lot more thanks to Obamacare? What has that to do with healthcare? Nothing but nobody read the bill.




Yeah, it will increase grocery prices and probably shut small Mom and Pop grocery stores and convenience stores down, leaving only the big chains to survive. You know, the big chain stores that lefties decry.

At this point, though, WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?!!!!

Posted by: runningrn at February 07, 2013 08:31 AM (Ag5D2)

198 ATC, I one saw a libtard with one of those "COEXIST" stickers...made up of religious symbols, on one side of the bumper and the Darwin fish mocking Christianity on the other side.

Killed the driver with a #2 pencil and a pine tree air freshener.....

Posted by: Icedog at February 07, 2013 08:31 AM (9ScGj)

199 Plus, he does know how to get a message out, something we sorely need.
Posted by: Miss Marple at February 07, 2013 08:28 AM (GoIUi)


I like him too in a watching a train wreck sort of way. His business acumen would certainly help the country. However, if he stands up in front of a group of people, while he's half in the bag, and starts slinging the F word like he just walked off a Destroyer, it's hard to get the populace to follow him and take him seriously.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 07, 2013 08:32 AM (l86i3)

200 G'day m'lady.

Tea? Perhaps chamomile to calm your nerves?

On the other hand, it is almost feeding time for Ripper.
Posted by: Sean Bannion, in Downton Abbey mode at February 07, 2013 08:31 AM (sbV1u)



Thank you, Bannion. Let's make it peppermint because chamomile makes me itch. Stupid beta meat sack.


Hmmm, excellent point about feeding time. Mayhap I shall go oversee. It's such a soothing sight.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 07, 2013 08:33 AM (VtjlW)

201 Hopefully today's better than yesterday, when y'all had me looking for Streisand pron. As in, I actively searched for Streisand pron to view. I hate all of you...or maybe I hate myself.

My hate needs a home.

Posted by: ghostofhallelujah at February 07, 2013 08:33 AM (XvrTA)

202 186 Cicero Kid

Love your nic because Cicero is one of those fascinating people from way back in history who I would love to meet!

Vegemite - love or hate it - both my kids despise it yet I love it, their father loves it - haven't tried it on the kitties yet......

Posted by: aussie at February 07, 2013 08:33 AM (8tH2L)

203 Trump's also a d-bag by making various Trutherisms his main plank, true or not.

Yes we all know that Barry sucked at school, but it's not winning us any points 4+ years in.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at February 07, 2013 08:33 AM (FsUAO)

204 My hate needs a home.
Posted by: ghostofhallelujah at February 07, 2013 08:33 AM (XvrTA)

How about the inside of a car with an Obama bumper sticker.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 07, 2013 08:34 AM (l86i3)

205 Thank you, Bannion. Let's make it peppermint because chamomile makes me itch. Stupid beta meat sack.Hmmm, excellent point about feeding time. Mayhap I shall go oversee. It's such a soothing sight. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 07, 2013 08:33 AM (VtjlW)

Brilliant.

I'll also have the stables prepare a libtard snack for Ripper.

Posted by: Sean Bannion, in Downton Abbey mode at February 07, 2013 08:35 AM (sbV1u)

206 He's a crony capitalist. He abuses eminent domain and the like.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at February 07, 2013 08:31 AM (FsUAO)


He's at best a tactical ally that you'd have to live in constant fear of him turning on you because it's in his perceived interest. Right now he's on our side because he realized the JEF is a complete disaster for the country. I don't know if he could be used effectively for the midterms or not but if the country keeps going in the shitter I don't see how he couldn't be helpful. A couple nights Mark Levin talked about warming up to him which was kind of shocking imo.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 07, 2013 08:35 AM (+Wtjm)

207 Communism has been mainstreamed. There is an ad running here that has one of those fucking Kennedys, I forget which one, singing the praises of Hugo Chavez over cheap oil. I have a mini stroke every time I see it.

Posted by: real joe, blue state hostage at February 07, 2013 08:36 AM (PD2ad)

208
"Yeah, it will increase grocery prices and probably shut small Mom and Pop grocery stores and convenience stores down, leaving only the big chains to survive. You know, the big chain stores that lefties decry"

When will people say, "no more"?

Posted by: Cicero Kid at February 07, 2013 08:37 AM (H/HtC)

209 Communism has been mainstreamed. There is an ad running here that has one of those fucking Kennedys, I forget which one, singing the praises of Hugo Chavez over cheap oil. I have a mini stroke every time I see it.
Posted by: real joe, blue state hostage at February 07, 2013 08:36 AM (PD2ad)


Of course communism has been mainlined. Look who is in the White House, look who it's advisers are, look at what's in it's cabinet, and look at the legislation it is trying to pass. Of course even the ruskies and chicoms have given up on communism but no never mind

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 07, 2013 08:39 AM (9Bj8R)

210 If you are too stupid to know that potato salad is
potatoes and mayonnaise and isn't a diet food, or that fried chicken is
chicken and batter and oil, then you deserve to get fat, clog your
arteries and die.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 07, 2013 08:12 AM (GsoHv)

Makes me want some potato salad.

Posted by: Vic at February 07, 2013 08:39 AM (53z96)

211 Morning, all!

You know, that comic image of Obama dressed like the Sun King? Almost looks like a fucking photograph.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 07, 2013 08:39 AM (4df7R)

212 Rather then continue to whine about COD, whose on deck in DE?

Posted by: Jean at February 07, 2013 08:39 AM (0cUd9)

213 Makes me want some potato salad.
Posted by: Vic at February 07, 2013 08:39 AM (53z96)

Got some in the fridge, Breakfast!

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 07, 2013 08:40 AM (l86i3)

214 Where's the SAP button for this blog? Damn racists.

Posted by: Icedog at February 07, 2013 08:41 AM (9ScGj)

215 Communism has been mainstreamed. There is an ad running here that has one of those fucking Kennedys, I forget which one, singing the praises of Hugo Chavez over cheap oil. I have a mini stroke every time I see it. Posted by: real joe, blue state hostage at February 07, 2013 08:36 AM (PD2ad)

Ah, that must be that aryan asshole Joe Kennedy, may he rot in Hell forever when he finally kicks the damn bucket.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 07, 2013 08:41 AM (4df7R)

216 Of course even the ruskies and chicoms have given up on communism but no never mind Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 07, 2013 08:39 AM (9Bj8R

Ever notice that when the Administration recommends policies to other countries like, among others, warning France not to raise it's tax rates, that it never takes its own advice?

Funny that.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 07, 2013 08:41 AM (sbV1u)

217 Regarding amnesty for illegals, please recall what Rep. Sonny Bono (RIP) said about it: "It's illegal, isn't it."
Amnesty isn't about electoral politics, it's not about "rights", it's not about Hispanics.
It's about oligarchs.
(Aristotle, for example, explains why oligarchs would infringe our 2A Rights, among others.)

Posted by: Thorvald at February 07, 2013 08:41 AM (1V6Pv)

218 If you are too stupid to know that potato salad is
potatoes and mayonnaise and isn't a diet food, or that fried chicken is
chicken and batter and oil, then you deserve to get fat, clog your
arteries and die.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 07, 2013 08:12 AM (GsoHv)


The hell you say!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 07, 2013 08:41 AM (9Bj8R)

219 How about the inside of a car with an Obama bumper sticker.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 07, 2013 08:34 AM (l86i3)

Already there. Plenty more to go around

Posted by: ghostofhallelujah at February 07, 2013 08:41 AM (XvrTA)

220 Mornin' all.


Sell out Uncle Tom Oreo Charles Lollar at the Annapolis rally yesterday.


http://tinyurl.com/aq29n9s



Hey fuckwads at the RNC, whatever you do don't back him. Assholes.

Posted by: RWC at February 07, 2013 08:41 AM (fWAjv)

221 Tawana Bourne,

Has a CT carry permit.
and a gun.

and a deep abiding concern for at-risk young males, for whom she does volunteer work.
_

Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 07, 2013 08:41 AM (RuUvx)

222 Grocery store prices? Look at the Shorpy from yesterday for 1942. Too bad that loaf of Wonder Bread doesn't have the price visible.

http://www.shorpy.com/node/14631?size=_original#caption


Obamaflation; its what for breakfast.

Posted by: Vic at February 07, 2013 08:42 AM (53z96)

223 As I recall, the original Cicero had his throat slit for voicing opposition to the Caesars. Though he died like a man, telling the praetorians to go ahead and do it.

re: Trump, that's what makes an ally an ally--you convince them that it's in their best interests to go along. What's that line that Ace likes to quote about making the environment so that bad people do the right thing anyway? That's what I'm talking about. We can't expect bad people will do the right thing all the time, but we can vote them out if they don't do it often enough.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at February 07, 2013 08:42 AM (FqcJu)

224 If you are too stupid to know that potato salad is
potatoes and mayonnaise and isn't a diet food, or that fried chicken is chicken and batter and oil, then you deserve to get fat, clog your arteries and die.


Seems like something that could be covered in a high school 'home ec' class. The same week they teach how to put a condom on a banana.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at February 07, 2013 08:42 AM (feFL6)

225 Great Britain had a strong military too. So it has never been gutted. It was all they could do to fight off Argentina back in the 80's. We remain strong because we develope new technologies, take that away and others will catch up and in time pass us.

Posted by: Case at February 07, 2013 08:42 AM (gyQY/)

226 201 Hopefully today's better than yesterday, when y'all had me looking for Streisand pron. As in, I actively searched for Streisand pron to view. I hate all of you...or maybe I hate myself.



Streisand porn? Wow, you are a self-loathing bastard!

Posted by: runningrn at February 07, 2013 08:43 AM (Ag5D2)

227 I sense that the moron hoard is a bit more irratable than normal.

Let's have everyone take the rest of the day off, go out and get laid then come back tomorrow ready to solve the world's problems.

Posted by: jwest at February 07, 2013 08:43 AM (ZDsRL)

228 I need help.

Posted by: ghostofhallelujah at February 07, 2013 08:44 AM (XvrTA)

229
The cost of food has skyrocketed mostly do to rising fuel costs.

Anybody watch The Americans last night? Viola better get revenge!

Posted by: waldo at February 07, 2013 08:44 AM (lSaJq)

230 There is an ad running here that has one of those fucking Kennedys, I forget which one, singing the praises of Hugo Chavez over cheap oil.

That ad started running when GWB was still in office.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at February 07, 2013 08:45 AM (V3kRK)

231 Tawana Bourne, Has a CT carry permit. and a gun. and a deep abiding concern for at-risk young males, for whom she does volunteer work. Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 07, 2013 08:41 AM (RuUvx)

"Bourne was charged with breach of peace, risk of injury to a minor, second-degree threatening and first-degree reckless endangerment, reports the New Haven Register.

Bourne, a social worker who works with at-risk males, told WJW-TV that she had “pursued her dream of working with children after rediscovering God and conquering a crack cocaine addiction.”

“I’m a very good person,” Bourne stated. “Very, very involved in the community.”

....

And by "very good person" she means, "is sub-literate public menace."

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 07, 2013 08:47 AM (sbV1u)

232 The cost of food has skyrocketed mostly do to rising fuel costs.


Don't forget the cost of corn, which feeds the cattle and is in everyfreakinthing. Oh, yeah. The assfull of it they are turning into fuel. Shitty fuel that because of the manufacturing of it pollutes more and costs more to make than gasoline.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 07, 2013 08:47 AM (l86i3)

233 #199 Are we talking about the same populace? The populace that thought Romney was going to ban tampons? Taht populace?

LOL! We need people like Trump to Pied Piper those types along, F-word or not. And I am not one to use that word much, myself.

See, up thread, we have someone who is already attacking Trump for crony corruption/capitalism, and therefore he is to be cast out of the circle.

It takes two to tango. If you operate in New York, I am sure some of this goes on. So would we be better off if he allied himself with the dems? I don't think so.

Posted by: Miss Marple at February 07, 2013 08:47 AM (GoIUi)

234 @225 The only thing beyond the loving and free Grace of our Creator that will keep our lives from becoming solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short is technological innovation.
Can you say "Alexander Fleming"? I think you can.

Posted by: Thorvald at February 07, 2013 08:47 AM (1V6Pv)

235 CC - You got the "culturally" part right. I push that 80 years back to 100 years.

This country will not survive unless it gets back to first principles. And I do mean 1st principles. Anything short of that and we are lost.

Posted by: teej at February 07, 2013 08:48 AM (RlvM2)

236 I appreciate Vic's fire and "Get off my lawn" attitude, I just think he's off the mark here.

Posted by: Conservative Crank at February 07, 2013 08:49 AM (FqcJu)

237 I've only ever seen Donald Trump on that old show The Apprentice - what I really like about him is his straight way of talking, no BS there unlike most pollies who speak in polspeak - lies, lies and more BS

Also the fact that he must know how stupid his hair looks but as he obviously likes it he just doesnt give a stuff what others think about it

Good on him I say

Posted by: aussie at February 07, 2013 08:50 AM (8tH2L)

238 Charles Lollar is a black Republican running against Steny Hoyer in MD's Prince Georges county.



I give him zero chance of converting the FSA to vote for him.


Posted by: Vic at February 07, 2013 08:50 AM (53z96)

239 Via Daily Caller...

"Sneed has learned a plea deal is now on the table between former Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. and federal authorities probing allegations of campaign fund misuse.

Sneed is told the plea deal includes Jackson serving time in federal prison.

“Significant jail time is now definitely a part of the deal,” said a top Sneed source close to the probe."

Posted by: Icedog at February 07, 2013 08:50 AM (9ScGj)

240 One thing, if we cut spending on our military, European and Scandinavian countries are actually going to have to pony up some cash to defend themselves. I don't think they appreciate how much the U.S. does for them. Increased military spending and their generous entitlements are not going to be sustained. They will have to cut domestic spending. Meanwhile, Liberals keep America spiraling down the European path to destruction.

Posted by: runningrn at February 07, 2013 08:51 AM (Ag5D2)

241 We remain strong because we develope new technologies, take that away and others will catch up and in time pass us.
Posted by: Case at February 07, 2013 08:42 AM (gyQY/)

Technology is a force multiplier. I just watched We Were Soldiers. Between helicopters and planes (some must have been carrier-based), artillery, munitions, and the communications able to co-ordinate all that? Yeah.

Big mistake to let that hard-learned advantage slip away. I know that the COL in A Few Good Men is made out to be a psychotic maniac, but that buries a point he does make: Stupid rear-echelon decisions cost lives.

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at February 07, 2013 08:51 AM (7PqWL)

242 We are so screwed....

Posted by: Paladin at February 07, 2013 08:51 AM (QGbEp)

243 >>>>As I recall, the original Cicero had his throat slit for voicing opposition to the Caesars.<<<<<

Not really. He was willing to make his peace with the Caesars (Julius and Octavian). It was Marc Antony he had an issue with. It was Antony that demanded his execution and then paraded the head and hands around the forum and had them nailed up over his (Antony's) door.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at February 07, 2013 08:52 AM (KAWvv)

244 It's not Streisand porn, but for some reason, there is a website named "Female Teachers in Heat"
A collection of our education systems finest.
And it appears to be SFW, at least on the home page.

Not saying that if you click the link below that it will take you there.
Nope...not saying that.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/aoov23d

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 07, 2013 08:52 AM (bTPOR)

245 It takes two to tango. If you operate in New York, I am sure some of this goes on. So would we be better off if he allied himself with the dems? I don't think so.
Posted by: Miss Marple at February 07, 2013 08:47 AM (GoIUi)

I don't disagree with your opinion of Trump. His problem is packaging. He, by his own hand and the help of others, has turned himself into a late night TV punch line. He will never be in a position to help anything if the unwashed masses can't take him seriously.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 07, 2013 08:53 AM (l86i3)

246 Dear Chris Rock--

He's not my father. But he is a mother.

Posted by: zsasz at February 07, 2013 08:54 AM (MMC8r)

247 Yeah, I hate TFG more and more every day...

----

Yeah, I can relate. I hurl invectives at his ugly mug every time he's on the TV. I didn't know I had such rage in me.

Posted by: Lady in Black at February 07, 2013 08:54 AM (ATdet)

248 I got stuck in traffic this morning behind a car that had a it's a
child not a choice bumper sticker on one side and an Obama Biden 2012
bumper sticker on the other


ONe of those was placed there "ironically."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 07, 2013 08:54 AM (5DR1j)

249 ONe of those was placed there "ironically."
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 07, 2013 08:54 AM (5DR1j)


The proper use of Ironic. Love it.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 07, 2013 08:55 AM (l86i3)

250 Thorvald- Appropriate that my @235 followed your @234.

Posted by: teej at February 07, 2013 08:55 AM (W50F+)

251 Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 07, 2013 08:55 AM (l86i3)

Only on accident. For some reason, hipsters now believe that "ironic" is a synonym for "sarcastic."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 07, 2013 08:56 AM (5DR1j)

252 Mark Levin: John Kasich has thrown away his career.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 07, 2013 08:56 AM (+Wtjm)

253 Oh, geez. I'm so tired I forgot to finish making coffee.

Can I just hit the Reset Button on the day?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 07, 2013 08:57 AM (5DR1j)

254 Only on accident. For some reason, hipsters now believe that "ironic" is a synonym for "sarcastic."
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 07, 2013 08:56 AM (5DR1j)


I see it used instead of coincidence.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 07, 2013 08:57 AM (l86i3)

255 @250 I knew what you meant, Brother, and thanks for the guidance.

Posted by: Thorvald at February 07, 2013 08:57 AM (1V6Pv)

256 #245 You know who loves Trump? My sister who works in retail. She never misses The Apprentice. She thinks he is very smart. She also is an Obama voter.

We do not need someone who is to be taken seriously. We need someone who can get the attention of those who ignore politics.

We need someone who can make those people listen.

I am not saying he should be a candidate. I DO think he would be much more effective at getting the message out than say, Alex Castellanos or karl Rove or Steve Schmidt.

Posted by: Miss Marple at February 07, 2013 08:57 AM (GoIUi)

257 I sent Charles Lollar money two election cycles ago trying to help out my sister who lives in MD. Of course it didn't do any good. Her governor, O'Malley is dumber than a bag of hammers, so of course he has Presidential aspirations.

Posted by: runningrn at February 07, 2013 08:58 AM (Ag5D2)

258 MPPP,

You could check list the stories or

bing site:minx.cc pinochio midget "mary poppin"

finds you telling us this last year

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 05, 2012 07:47 AM

Not that I mind. I've got a buddy now who uses
"I don't need new jokes, I need new friends".

Posted by: DaveA at February 07, 2013 08:58 AM (JJdOG)

259 "Technology is a force multiplier."

If left to the military, we would still be doing cavalry charges on horseback. Yes, the horses would have GPS and mini-guns, but the people entrenched in the tradition of the cavalry would never give up the horse.

The same is true on aircraft. As it stands now, we're pissing away hundreds of billions developing and building planes that have human pilots inside.

Posted by: jwest at February 07, 2013 08:59 AM (ZDsRL)

260 "Female Teachers in Heat"
A collection of our education systems finest.


We're beyond '1984' and cruising right into the sexual mores of 'Brave New World'. Instead of Malthusian belts we're gonna have free contraceptives, abortificants, and abortions -- bought and paid for by the people who have some semblance of sanity. Probably free dispensers in every school -- which I think Philly just installed over the holidays. Some future Sundara Flake will push for the free belts.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at February 07, 2013 08:59 AM (feFL6)

261 I see it used instead of coincidence.

Yeah, but that's a more general mistake. It's distinctly Hipster to use it instead of "sarcasm."

Thus, when they wear a Ronald Reagan shirt it's "ironic" not "sarcastic."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 07, 2013 08:59 AM (5DR1j)

262 As it stands now, we're pissing away hundreds of billions developing and building planes that have human pilots inside.

As someone who understands the limits of technology: We'll never get away from "planes that have human pilots inside."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 07, 2013 09:01 AM (5DR1j)

263 I see it used instead of coincidence.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 07, 2013 08:57 AM (l86i3)

If we start listing all the ways 'irony' is misused, gonna be a long thread.

David Foster Wallace had a good take on the way many folks & pop culture use "irony" as a defense mechanism borne of fear. As in, you can't make fun of me as I'm already making fun of myself-lameness.

Posted by: ghostofhallelujah at February 07, 2013 09:01 AM (XvrTA)

264 @255- My guidance? Um, no.
In matters of our Brotherhood, around here it's people like you, Grey Fox and others that I look up to.

Posted by: teej at February 07, 2013 09:02 AM (4IyOI)

265 If left to the military, we would still be doing cavalry charges on horseback. Yes, the horses would have GPS and mini-guns, but the people entrenched in the tradition of the cavalry would never give up the horse. Posted by: jwest at February 07, 2013 08:59 AM (ZDsRL)

You're not very familiar with American military history, are you? You a sweeping statement in black and white and the reality is that there is a lot more gray in these things than black and white.

There is a constant tension in the military between overreliance on "the next big thing" and maintaining some kind of "fail safe" capability unless the next big thing turns out to be a bust. The military cannot put all its eggs in one basket, because the cost of being wrong is paid in blood.

That's what is frequently going on - not some nefarious plan to protect jobs and status.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 07, 2013 09:04 AM (sbV1u)

266 I am not saying he should be a candidate. I DO think
he would be much more effective at getting the message out than say,
Alex Castellanos or karl Rove or Steve Schmidt.


Posted by: Miss Marple at February 07, 2013 08:57 AM (GoIUi)


Schmidt and Rove should be drummed out of the party for torpedoing candidates in a way that helped the opposition. But they still curry favor with Top Men.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 07, 2013 09:05 AM (+Wtjm)

267 2 Tim 4,2

Posted by: Thorvald at February 07, 2013 09:05 AM (1V6Pv)

268 because of individual hereseys,

Differences like means-testing SS are differences.

Amnesty is one of many heresies various GOPers need spanked for. They're wrong and they've been told before

Posted by: DaveA at February 07, 2013 09:05 AM (JJdOG)

269 "As someone who understands the limits of technology: We'll never get away from "planes that have human pilots inside."

Then as someone who understands the limits of technology, you could explain why any combat aircraft would have someone in it.

Posted by: jwest at February 07, 2013 09:06 AM (ZDsRL)

270 "Shut up and do what the government says," explained counter-cultural icon, Chris Rock.

Posted by: Truman North at February 07, 2013 07:08 AM (I2LwF)




I wonder if the genius would have said that from January 2001- January 2009?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 07, 2013 09:06 AM (1Jaio)

271 On that Tony Bennet thing in the sidebar:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Nazi Germany have incredibly strict gun control laws? I'm sure I heard that somewhere.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 07, 2013 09:07 AM (5DR1j)

272 Schmidt and Rove should be drummed out of the party for torpedoing candidates in a way that helped the opposition. But they still curry favor with Top Men.
Posted by: Captain Hate at February 07, 2013 09:05 AM (+Wtjm)


Yep, I don't know if COD could have won. But they did little to help her and I would bet her votes would fall more in line with ron Johnson that Charles Shumer.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 07, 2013 09:08 AM (l86i3)

273 ONe of those was placed there "ironically."
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 07, 2013 08:54 AM (5DR1j)



Actually, given the demographics of the person behind the wheel, I don't think so. I think it's more a matter of not even being conscious that there is any tension between the two.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 07, 2013 09:08 AM (VtjlW)

274 Give me a horse and a bayonet in the long haul.

Posted by: Thorvald at February 07, 2013 09:08 AM (1V6Pv)

275 I'm here for my morning dose of hocken a chainik.

Wow, that phrase really clears the throat.

Posted by: That Mindfulguy at February 07, 2013 09:08 AM (5SlKF)

276 WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The number of Americans filing
new claims for jobless benefits fell last week and a trend reading hit a
near five-year low, pointing to ongoing healing in the labor market.

Initial claims for state unemployment benefits dropped
by 5,000 to a seasonally adjusted 366,000, the Labor Department said on
Thursday. The prior week's claims figure was revised to show 3,000 more
new claims than initially reported.







Funny how those numbers always get revised upwards. But have no fear everything is just peachy in the economy

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 07, 2013 09:09 AM (1Jaio)

277 As someone who understands the limits of technology: We'll never get away from "planes that have human pilots inside."
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 07, 2013 09:01 AM (5DR1j)

Never? I think within 20 years they will be in testing. They'll need to be autonomous and be able to "pull the trigger" themselves in case they get jammed communications.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at February 07, 2013 09:09 AM (FsUAO)

278 Ugh.

It's spring here and the tree pollen is trying to kill us.

Posted by: Mama AJ, Assault Poiser at February 07, 2013 09:10 AM (SUKHu)

279 When I was in school the average teacher I had was 70 years old, single, and had no interest in young boys at all.


Where were all these young hotties then? The same place they are now, getting married to ugly rich pukes.

Posted by: Vic at February 07, 2013 09:10 AM (53z96)

280 Wow. Current Sec. of Defense Panetta warns that Sequestration could hurt the economy. Synergy dude is the word of the day, teach the idiots in Congress to understand that word.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 07, 2013 09:10 AM (LqrVH)

281 Give me a horse and a bayonet in the long haul.
Posted by: Thorvald at February 07, 2013 09:08 AM (1V6Pv)


The Afghans have done well with em.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 07, 2013 09:10 AM (l86i3)

282 Yes sir.
But, and it's a long story, at this point I have this distance problem. My, um, inspiration, needs to travel back south about a foot.
I know you'll get that one.

Posted by: teej at February 07, 2013 09:11 AM (JxJPF)

283 "That's what is frequently going on - not some nefarious plan to protect jobs and status."

The basic concept of the U.S. military in today's world, having separate Army, Air Force, Navy and Marines, all wanting (and getting) parallel weapons systems so that they are not reliant on the other branches, is ridiculous on it's face.

Our country could be just as powerful and much better prepared for confrontations in the future at half the cost we have today. All that stands in the way is tired, traditional thinking.

Posted by: jwest at February 07, 2013 09:11 AM (ZDsRL)

284 Never? I think within 20 years they will be in testing. They'll need to be autonomous and be able to "pull the trigger" themselves in case they get jammed communications. Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at February 07, 2013 09:09 AM (FsUAO)

Super. I can't wait for SkyNet to become self-aware. Should be fun.

Drones can be spoofed, as we have found out. There's a lot to be said for them in terms of preserving lives and cutting costs. But they have as many "issues" as manned aircraft do. When you solve one technological problem, you open the door to others. There is no such thing as a perfect weapons system.

Someone is always building a better mousetrap.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 07, 2013 09:12 AM (sbV1u)

285 David Foster Wallace had a good take on the way many
folks pop culture use "irony" as a defense mechanism borne of
fear. As in, you can't make fun of me as I'm already making fun of
myself-lameness.

Posted by: ghostofhallelujah at February 07, 2013 09:01 AM (XvrTA)


Jon Stewart might be an ambulatory butt-plug and cocksucker, but he's the only person who's dared to laugh at the JEF when he let loose with an obvious howler on his show. You could see the fear in the Indonesian's eyes, which are usually a blank window into his empty mind, when he did it because he tried to make some lame cover up like "pun intended" or some such horseshit which Liebowitz wasn't buying and laughed further. I might be wrong but I don't think the JEF has been on his show since.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 07, 2013 09:13 AM (+Wtjm)

286 Our country could be just as powerful and much better prepared for confrontations in the future at half the cost we have today. All that stands in the way is tired, traditional thinking.
Posted by: jwest at February 07, 2013 09:11 AM (ZDsRL)

I thought about that. Just standardizing uniforms would save Millions. However, give up the Marine dress blues? That's a tough one.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 07, 2013 09:13 AM (l86i3)

287 Ben has dumped.

Posted by: Vic at February 07, 2013 09:14 AM (53z96)

288 Brave New World News...

December 24, 2012|By Kristen A. Graham, Inquirer Staff Writer

Condom dispensers are going into 22 city high schools. The protection is free to students, except those whose parents signed opt-out forms.

Coming over the holiday break to about a third of Philadelphia high schools: clear plastic dispensers chock-full of free condoms.

The dispensers will be placed in the 22 high schools whose students had the highest rates of sexually transmitted diseases, and condoms will be available to any student - so long as their parents did not sign a form opting them out of the program.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at February 07, 2013 09:15 AM (feFL6)

289 Drones can be spoofed, as we have found out. There's a lot to be said for them in terms of preserving lives and cutting costs. But they have as many "issues" as manned aircraft do. When you solve one technological problem, you open the door to others. There is no such thing as a perfect weapons system.

Someone is always building a better mousetrap.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 07, 2013 09:12 AM (sbV1u)

They were only spoofed because the geniuses behind it didn't actually encrypt communications...

Not saying I like it. I'm saying it's going to happen.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at February 07, 2013 09:15 AM (FsUAO)

290 New two up

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 07, 2013 09:16 AM (bTPOR)

291 No one ever asks anyone about this. I suspect they
were carrying messages and money to the MB people, but we will probably
never know.


Posted by: Miss Marple at February 07, 2013 07:47 AM (GoIUi)

I believe i had read ayers was also there.
also i had thought it interesting 'days of rage' had initially been the protest before arab spring
probably has nothing to do with anything.


Posted by: willow ette at February 07, 2013 09:16 AM (nqBYe)

292 Then as someone who understands the limits of technology, you could explain why any combat aircraft would have someone in it.

Do you mean why any combat aircraft "would not" have someone in it? Because your actual question doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

That said, I'll answer both (sort of)

Remote piloted vehicles are good for many things. Reconnaissance chief among them, but they're also good as strike vehicles when all you want to do is blow someone (or something) up, and your only real decision will be "do I pull the trigger or not."

Remote piloted vehicles are not so good for other things. Close support missions (such as those undertaken by the A-10) are a good example. Really anything that requires real-time threat assessment and decision making. And if we ever get in a war with a country with a real air force, we'll be back to Air Superiority Combat- also known as "dog-fighting." A drone would be singularly bad at dog-fighting.

The reason that remote piloted vehicles are not good for those scenarios is communication delay. A human pilot is limited only by his own OODA loop, and possibly limits of his machine (I wouldn't want to put a P51 up against an F16, for example). The pilot of a remote vehicle is limited by his own OODA loop, limits of the machine, and communication time.

I've been in fights (mostly play fights, but one or two real ones) and I know that 1 second is a LONG time in hand-to-hand combat. I can only imagine that it becomes much longer in combat in which the combatants are moving near-or-at the speed of sound, making even sub-second communications delays something that would make drones less-than-optimal in such situations.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 07, 2013 09:17 AM (5DR1j)

293 "Someone is always building a better mousetrap."

That's the problem. If that better mousetrap isn't ours, we're fucked.

While we're putting a couple billion into a fighter so that some jock can do barrel rolls with a silk scarf on, someone else is working on UAV's that can be made in a 20 to 1 ratio to us.

Posted by: jwest at February 07, 2013 09:18 AM (ZDsRL)

294 Unified military forces, perhaps like the armed forces of Canada is the implication? Or the Japanese self defense force? They exist on paper as a unified command, but each component still retains its corporate identity - ie the Japanese Ground Self Defense Force.

In actuality, before WWII the UK tried to unify their air assets under the RAF. Did away with the Fleet Air Arm controlling procurement. So the RN got the short end of procurement for aircraft in the inter-war years. So when the balloon went up the RN FAA was flying under-powered clunkers called Skua and Roc along with the Swordfish. It took an infusion of Martlet and Tarpon aircraft from the US to make the FAA an effective force.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 07, 2013 09:18 AM (LqrVH)

295 The basic concept of the U.S. military in today's world, having separate Army, Air Force, Navy and Marines, all wanting (and getting) parallel weapons systems so that they are not reliant on the other branches, is ridiculous on it's face. Posted by: jwest at February 07, 2013 09:11 AM (ZDsRL)

So this is just you saying that? Or, you you have some serious analytical work or experience to back that up? Because your opinion on this issue is just as valuable as anyone else's, which is to say, not valuable at all.

Just to give you an idea, the guy who is #2 at DoD, and until very recently was the Undersecretary of Defense for Acquisition, Technology and Logistics, is a nuclear physicist...and an historian. A very odd combination, but one what offers some serious perspective as to the promise of technology, and it's limitations. To put it in the vernacular, he "gets it."

He understands that our edge is fundamentally technological. Overall, he's pursuing a course that balances risk with proven technology. The last 5 or 6 USD (ATL) office holders have pretty much done the same - and then there's your opinion.

I know who I'm going with.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 07, 2013 09:18 AM (sbV1u)

296 looks like my wife picked the wrong week for a religious retreat in Connecticut.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at February 07, 2013 09:18 AM (SO2Q8)

297 They'll need to be autonomous and be able to "pull the trigger" themselves in case they get jammed communications.

Yes. "Never."

Unless you think you can create a hack-proof/jam-proof/100%-all-the-time-correct targeting system.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 07, 2013 09:20 AM (5DR1j)

298 I love "BE the Republican party." It's a message not just a commercial. How many times do you see a non-political commercial that is so bad and stupid that you say "who the fuck is the marketing guy who came up with that one?" And "how the hell did he sell that to the money guys?" Who are these people???

Posted by: Pudenda Pattie at February 07, 2013 09:20 AM (XLuH2)

299 The prior week's claims figure was revised to show 3,000 more
new claims than initially reported.

Funny how those numbers always get revised upwards. But have no fear everything is just peachy in the economy

http://tinyurl.com/asglggw

"Brace for (consumer) impact three to six months out.  It's coming."

Posted by: rickb223 at February 07, 2013 09:20 AM (R6P8e)

300 HoboJerky and AllenG. The US Navy had a drone go rogue a few years. A helicopter drone went autonomous and the brain trust could not regain control of it for awhile. So the drone was making a beeline for DC when they regained control. So still got a few bugs to work out along with preventing GPS spoofers and SKYNET.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 07, 2013 09:23 AM (LqrVH)

301 Allen,

You're talking about the technology to reduce a 1 second communications delay to 1 microsecond. I'm certain the fix is either already here or soon will be.

The trouble with manned aircraft in combat is situational awareness. In conventional fighters, you have at most two humans trying to keep up with flying, navigating, weapons and what's happening outside of the cockpit. Too much information.

With UAV's, the crew for a fighter half the size can be 10 people. Everyone focused on their job, no fear, nothing missed. Close air support? The same crew can make pass after pass, taking control of successive UAVs. There simply isn't a situation where a pilot in the aircraft can perform as well.

Posted by: jwest at February 07, 2013 09:28 AM (ZDsRL)

302 As someone who understands the limits of technology: We'll never get away from "planes that have human pilots inside."

As someone observing the power of lasers go up while the weight goes down we're not going to have planes over the battlefield.

Posted by: DaveA at February 07, 2013 09:28 AM (JJdOG)

303 :::293 "While we're putting a couple billion into a fighter so that some jock can do barrel rolls with a silk scarf on, someone else is working on UAV's that can be made in a 20 to 1 ratio to us.

Posted by: jwest at February 07, 2013 09:18 AM (ZDsRL)::::


There's a lot of ignorance and nerd rage in that statement. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

A). We ARE and will continue to be the world leader in military technology and doctrinal innovation, INCLUDING unmanned air and ground combat vehicles.

B). Who? WHO is this "somebody else?" What have they developed and fielded? Show your work.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 07, 2013 09:29 AM (9eWxa)

304 EoJ, he seems to be a disciple of McNamara. Technology can replace the human and the Dogma of Commonality can save money.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 07, 2013 09:34 AM (LqrVH)

305
176
@160 CC - That sounds all thoughtful and reasonable and stuff BUT we've
played that game for how many decades now? And it's gotten us where?



Posted by: teej at February 07, 2013 08:20 AM (SYS+p)
The problem is that we send too many to DC who believe that compromise is the point-not a means. "Look, look, I'm doing a good job at governing, I compromised!" Nuh-uh. You're going to have to compromise in a multi-party system, but you should only do it to advance some of your agenda-not just so you can wear the mantle of "bi-partisan".
Example: So, Vic, here's a bill where you get ironclad border security-alligator filled moats, laser defense towers and minefields-in exchange for a path to citizenship for 5 million hard working, non-violent illegals? No? How about 2 million? OK, how about no amnesty, but we only put a Catholic elementary school crossing guard on the Rio Grande? Our side tends to view their job as to strike a deal, any deal, and that deal striking is the whole point of the exercise. Nu-uh. It should be to get the needles on the scale as close to "full border security" and "No amnesty" as possible, but moving one will move the other, compromise is the balance. "Hmm, to trade armed border guards for legalization of tax paying illegals, or not? Hmmm" There's where you make your compromise.

Posted by: Weirddave at February 07, 2013 09:34 AM (aH+zP)

306 Remember when GREGORY HINES shot down the unmanned fighter plane in DEAL OF THE CENTURY?

Posted by: Empire of Jeffwing Plover at February 07, 2013 09:35 AM (9eWxa)

307 "Reagan's 11th Commandment should be followed."

I have to concur with this.

Exception for Rove. And all who break the 11th.

Become, not join, the Republican Party... Nice thought. Dubious probability. Substitute D for R (as in, Dems, rescue your party from the Commies), and you'd see why that was not go'n' happen, right? Well... yeah.

We're a 1-party country, masquerading as two to bamboozle the rubes and suppress all opposition. Works real well. I once had some hope for the Libertarians, but then I got to know them.

Posted by: Mindful in spaaaaace at February 07, 2013 09:36 AM (Jh9QN)

308 EoJ, he seems to be a disciple of McNamara. Technology can replace the human and the Dogma of Commonality can save money Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 07, 2013 09:34 AM (LqrVH)

Yup. To borrow from T.R. Fehrenbach's This Kind of War

"Americans in 1950 rediscovered something that since Hiroshima they had forgotten: you may fly over a land forever; you may bomb it, atomize it, pulverize it and wipe it clean of life—but if you desire to defend it, protect it and keep it for civilization, you must do this on the ground, the way the Roman legions did, by putting your young men in the mud.”

'Nuff said.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 07, 2013 09:36 AM (sbV1u)

309 You're talking about the technology to reduce a 1 second communications
delay to 1 microsecond. I'm certain the fix is either already here or
soon will be.


I'm sorry, did someone speed up the speed of light while I wasn't looking? I never knew that the Laws of Physics were up for a new vote. Did the Republicans offer any amendments?

The fix is not here and cannot be here. Physics says so.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 07, 2013 09:40 AM (5DR1j)

310 AllenG,

A human pilot is limited only by his own OODA loop, and possibly limits of his machine (I wouldn't want to put a P51 up against an F16, for example).

I'm not really taking a side about the details, but this part undermines the rest of your argument.

Remove the burden of the systems required to accommodate and support the human pilot, and uncap the performance limitations observed to prevent making that pilot into a G suit full of soup, and the unmanned craft could easily outperform that F16 by the margin that the F16 would outperform the P51.

For the broader question, I'm generally with you and Bannion but for baser reasons. Forward thinking is great, but it requires careful evaluation.

Too many proponents of change do so only from petty revenge fantasies and the magical-thinking delusion that if the dice are cast just one more time, they would find themselves on top where they always belonged.

(sarcasm emphasized)

Anyone ever heard of Robert McNamara? It was a real shame when he passed a few years ago. . . mostly because it happened about 80 years late.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at February 07, 2013 09:43 AM (V3kRK)

311 " I got stuck in traffic this morning behind a car that had a it's a
child not a choice bumper sticker on one side and an Obama Biden 2012
bumper sticker on the other."

Chill, AtC. Baby steps.

Posted by: mrp at February 07, 2013 09:43 AM (HjPtV)

312 The cavalry joke is my second favorite, behind the buggy-whip bullshit. Know anybody in the buggy-whip business? They've done damned well.

The first photo to make it out of our Afghan adventure was of four Air Force special forces operatives, charging after the Taliban hell bent for leather, on horseback. And they had to borrow inferior wooden saddles from the locals, because we had surplused all of ours.

There is no military technology in history, including longbows, in which the United States does not need to have a competence and a supply chain.

When the Britons attacked a Roman legion with Scythian war chariots, there was no one alive who had seen one in action. They were that obsolete. The Romans lost that one. You can shoot down most drones with a Cessna and a shotgun. It takes an airplane with a person in it to make the sky safe for drones.

I want those battleships back, too.

Posted by: comatus at February 07, 2013 09:43 AM (qaVK+)

313 I have never flown a military jet.
Although, for Christmas, Mrs VIA bought me an introductory one hour flying lesson.
And I got to go screaming through the skies in a Cessna 152 at Mach .13 with my hair on fire.
And wearing a shit eating grin from ear to ear.

But, that's a different story for a different day.

Now, I have steamed some of the Navy's finest engineering plants for over thirty years.

And while I do loves me some technology, in each and every case, there are methods, systems and training in place so that when it shits the bed, you can take the automatic system, and run it in "Local Manual"

I suspect that eventually we might have an unmanned fighter, capable of duking it out. That may be in ten years. It may be in fifty years.
Until that system is mature, I would like to continue to maintain our superiority in manned fighters.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 07, 2013 09:45 AM (bTPOR)

314 "The fix is not here and cannot be here. Physics says so."

So, if the UAV teams are "flying" from a control center 200 miles offshore of the action, and the parallel radio/microwave/laser communications are being bounced off a drone orbiting at 70,000 feet, how long does the communications take - assuming we don't revoke the laws of physics?

Posted by: jwest at February 07, 2013 09:46 AM (ZDsRL)

315 "This isn't total war..." -Conservative Crank

I'm beginning to believe otherwise.

Posted by: Mindful in spaaaaace at February 07, 2013 09:52 AM (7KxSm)

316 The modern battlefield can have the following following the flow of battle:
E-3 controlling the packages to deconflict and guard against enemy air.
E-8 to find the enemy force in real time and pass the info to the E-3.
If the E-8 and E-3 can't find it, then one pilot in an OA-110A Thunderbolt II is low and slow over the FLOT looking for bad guys.
And an air strike is called in.

Or there is an USAF Combat Controller embedded with an unit in contact screaming into his PRC for air support.
The air support call will be routed to the nearest CRC or Air Operations Center who will then find a strike package with the right ordinance. Task that sortie and dispatch.
The E-3 will control the strike package until handing it off to the Combat Controller who will call in the drops.

Notice all these assets are in the FLOT, over the FLOT, or within a couple hundred miles of the FLOT. Being controlled by radio and data-link with no lag.

A drone control van in Nevada has to bounce it's signals off satellites. 22,300 miles up and 22,300 down. Plus processing time. Which is why playing WoW or Guild Wars off HughesNet is no fun. By the time you got an attack going, the inherent lag of the satellite bounce might have gotten you killed.

So the drones will remain the sniper weapon in more static controlled situations - ie one SUV fleeing into the desert. Not trying to pick the good guys out from the bad guys at danger close.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 07, 2013 09:54 AM (LqrVH)

317 I have spoken with F-16 pilots who say they would not care to dogfight with a P-51. Launching a missile 30 miles out is not the same as dogfighting. Just an analogy alert.

Posted by: comatus at February 07, 2013 09:58 AM (qaVK+)

318 "A drone control van in Nevada has to bounce it's signals off satellites."

I guess everything I believed aboutUAVs is impossible until, somehow, someday, we develop the technology to move the drone control van from Nevada to within a few hundred miles of the action.

Posted by: jwest at February 07, 2013 10:01 AM (ZDsRL)

319 I have spoken with F-16 pilots who say they would not care to dogfight with a P-51.

Surely they were jesting. A P51 would just be meat to an F16. One 1200mph pass with the radar pipping 20mm and poof.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 07, 2013 10:16 AM (evdj2)

320 I guess everything I believed aboutUAVs is impossible until, somehow, someday, we develop the technology to move the drone control van from Nevada to within a few hundred miles of the action. Posted by: jwest at February 07, 2013 10:01 AM (ZDsRL)

You cannot possibly be this stupid.

You can move control stations so they are 200 miles from the action instead of 12,000. But the distance to the satellite is still 23,000 miles up and 23,000 miles down. Unless all the stations are LOS, in which case the whole thing is pointless.

Jeebus.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 07, 2013 10:24 AM (sbV1u)

321 "But the distance to the satellite is still 23,000 miles up and 23,000 miles down."

314 "The fix is not here and cannot be here. Physics says so." So, if the UAV teams are "flying" from a control center 200 miles offshore of the action, and the parallel radio/microwave/laser communications are being bounced off a drone orbiting at 70,000 feet, how long does the communications take - assuming we don't revoke the laws of physics?

Sean,

Apparently you're assuming that the signals are going to miss the communications drone flying at 70,000 and hit the satellite 23,000 miles away.

I guess that could happen.

However, just for argument's sake,if we were capable of moving that van out of Nevada to a closer location and if we bounced signals off of a target at 70,000 feet instead of 23,000 miles, do you think the lag time problem would be solved?

Posted by: jwest at February 07, 2013 10:36 AM (ZDsRL)

322 "Surely they were jesting. A P51 would just be meat to an F16. One 1200mph pass with the radar pipping 20mm and poof."

I wonder what a 1200mph shockwave would do to a Mustang's aerodynamics?

Posted by: mrp at February 07, 2013 10:47 AM (HjPtV)

323 I wonder what a 1200mph shockwave would do to a Mustang's aerodynamics?

Maybe Bullitt knows?

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at February 07, 2013 11:36 AM (V3kRK)

324 Rove wants to help a conservative establishment not get defeated by insurgent candidates who are only symbolically "more conservative" (usually by engaging in stupid rhetoric)

shock of all shocks

Posted by: JDP at February 07, 2013 12:03 PM (8HhF2)

325 :/
:-/
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Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 07, 2013 12:03 PM (0q2P7)

326 :eyeroll:

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 07, 2013 12:03 PM (0q2P7)

327 :rolleyes:

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 07, 2013 12:07 PM (0q2P7)

328 8|
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Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 07, 2013 12:11 PM (0q2P7)

329 Rove wants to get paid. /end motivation

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 07, 2013 02:53 PM (evdj2)

330 Re: "Monopoly game losing iron, gaining cat."

Oh, even trade then.

Posted by: H. at February 07, 2013 05:19 PM (CuY4t)






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