"Completely Dispicable:" The Left's Repulsive Hypocrisy on Assassinations

So when they complained, they were sandbagging American defense policy despite not believing their own claims at all?

Apparently so.

The problem here, for me, isn't so much the hypocrisy, or the faux-intellectual sophistry. These are personal failings of people I never believed to have virtue in the first place.

The problem is playing games with human lives. The problem is playing politics with the issue of Al Qaeda.

And that, as David Caruso says, ought to concern us all.

Posted by: Ace at 06:29 PM



Comments

1 Well gee KPow do you think?

I mean look newsflash they don't give a damn about human rights they give a damn about having the joystick....

she must not have kids.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 06:30 PM (LRFds)

2 Ace the main thing is *removes sunglasses* if they can lie so shamelessly would they be ashamed to break the rules on US soil?

//CSI Riff

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 06:31 PM (LRFds)

3 I would so fucking nail Kirsten Powers.

Btw, who here thinks this season of Archer is kind of shitty so far?

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 06, 2013 06:32 PM (tVTLU)

4 Despicable is the American spelling.....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 06, 2013 06:32 PM (GsoHv)

5 Had to do a double-take on the article. I thought one of the people was Candy "Super-Size Me" Crowley, not Monica Crowley.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at February 06, 2013 06:33 PM (kqqGm)

6 I guess ace has fully recovered from his hate-nap

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 06, 2013 06:34 PM (w+Dvf)

7 4 Despicable is the American spelling.....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 06, 2013 06:32 PM (GsoHv)




Ace is an illegal alien! That's why he doesn't want anyone to know who he is.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at February 06, 2013 06:34 PM (GEICT)

8 >>>The problem is playing games with human lives. The problem is playing politics with the issue of Al Qaeda.

Some Gaia killing humans died too!? Score!

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 06, 2013 06:34 PM (0q2P7)

9 ace, you mithspelled 'dethspicable'

-

Posted by: Daffy Duck at February 06, 2013 06:35 PM (RuUvx)

10 3 Prescient11,

eh with a forklift maybe....

she still refuses to accept she is on the wrong team

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 06:35 PM (LRFds)

11 Kirsten Powers makes me want to be a better man.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 06, 2013 06:36 PM (w+Dvf)

12 And that, as David Caruso says, ought to concern us all.


--YEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

Posted by: logprof at February 06, 2013 06:37 PM (mi1DY)

13 We see this all the time, in fact this is pretty much the operating mode of the left. Its why they have been pushing political correctness and moral relativism for years. It allows for them to say whatever they want while making it impossible for conservatives to respond. Human lives mean nothing to the left but you only get to see it on occasion when their mask slips and you see a Malthusian.

Posted by: Drew in MO at February 06, 2013 06:37 PM (cGlgB)

14 Disthpicable!

Posted by: Sylvester the Cat at February 06, 2013 06:38 PM (hY5CF)

15
Btw, who here thinks this season of Archer is kind of shitty so far?

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 06, 2013 06:32 PM (tVTLU)

--I've only seen one ep (I think the season premiere), the one where Archer still has amnesia and there's a staged shootout at the spa. It was okay, but unfunny by Archer standards.

Posted by: logprof at February 06, 2013 06:38 PM (mi1DY)

16 Bush Evil, Obama Good.



Don't question it.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 06, 2013 06:38 PM (tbBtG)

17 At least KP is calling them out on it. That might be worth something.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 06, 2013 06:38 PM (+z4pE)

18
who here thinks this season of Archer is kind of shitty so far?

Needs more Ocelot.

Posted by: garrett at February 06, 2013 06:39 PM (hY5CF)

19 Liberal Media 'Don't Really Care About____________' Unless 'It Helps Them Politically'

Fill in the blank with the topic of the moment.

Posted by: zsasz at February 06, 2013 06:40 PM (MMC8r)

20

16

Hey Obama just isn't good, haven't you heard? He is like the Dad of the whole nation.. wait or is it that he is like God or Jesus... I guess it depends which celebrity is talking.

Posted by: Drew in MO at February 06, 2013 06:40 PM (cGlgB)

21 Kirsten Powers: Liberal Media 'Don't Really Care About Human Rights' Unless 'It Helps Them Politically'


This is my shocked face. :-O

Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at February 06, 2013 06:41 PM (8ZskC)

22 18
who here thinks this season of Archer is kind of shitty so far?

Needs more Ocelot.

Posted by: garrett at February 06, 2013 06:39 PM (hY5CF)

--Well, how 'bout this?:

[Tried to find Youtube vid of "Ocelot," a song by eggs, but ran into reams of video game Easter Eggs instead.]

Posted by: logprof at February 06, 2013 06:41 PM (mi1DY)

23

It's not just lives.
The only time the left/scoamf cares about "mah people" or the rest of the country is when it's election time.
In the mean time fuck'em and here's a phone.

Posted by: Joe Biden at February 06, 2013 06:41 PM (mETGQ)

24 The problem is playing games with human lives. The problem is playing politics with the issue of Al Qaeda.


When absolutely everything is politics, you get things like this. I know people who quite frankly view everything in the world in the terms of game theory. It's sociopathic. The effects on actual human beings are totally irrelevant so long as their position "wins".



Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Take us away. at February 06, 2013 06:41 PM (Gk3SS)

25 I so fucking nailed Kirsten Powers. Face, ass, you name it.

I named it Ruby. It's what I name all of them.

Fuckin' miles of them. You know what I'm talking about.

You think about it.

Posted by: Anthony Weiner at February 06, 2013 06:41 PM (cePv8)

26 Washington: Father of his Country

Obama: Abusive Father of his Country

Posted by: zsasz at February 06, 2013 06:42 PM (MMC8r)

27 Tiresome.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at February 06, 2013 06:42 PM (fCwL8)

28 My shocked face has 50% more shock


:- |

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 06, 2013 06:42 PM (8sCoq)

29 "20

16

Hey Obama just isn't good, haven't you heard? He is like the Dad of the whole nation.. wait or is it that he is like God or Jesus... I guess it depends which celebrity is talking.

Posted by: Drew in MO at February 06, 2013 06:40 PM (cGlgB) "

Obama is Jesus's real father.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 06, 2013 06:42 PM (tbBtG)

30 You complain about our liberal policies?

That's a drone strike!

Posted by: Jmel at February 06, 2013 06:42 PM (9tSXa)

31
It's sociopathic. The effects on actual human beings are totally irrelevant so long as their position "wins".

The argumentof Utility is weak.

Posted by: KANT at February 06, 2013 06:43 PM (hY5CF)

32 Obama is like your daddy. I mean, if you had a daddy.

Posted by: Chris Rock at February 06, 2013 06:43 PM (8ZskC)

33 Guys,

The rule is with semi-hot to really hot liberals and lesbians is that the right man just hasn't fucked them yet.

Now grab your balls, smack a woman on the ass, and get them to make you a sandwich!!!!!!!!!!!!!

of course as we do their bidding 95% of the time, but the ass smacking is just for show!

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 06, 2013 06:43 PM (tVTLU)

34 Government kills US citizens every day. Just refuse to put down the scissors and see what happens.

Posted by: Invictus at February 06, 2013 06:43 PM (OQpzc)

35 Boscovich told Reuters that he had "a high degree of confidence" that the operation had succeeded in bringing down the cyber crime operation, known as the Bamital botnet.

"We think we got everything, but time will tell," he said.

The servers that were pulled off line on Wednesday had been used to communicate with what Microsoft and Symantec estimate are between 300,000 and 1 million PCs currently infected with malicious software that enslaved them into the botnet.

Posted by: Bill Gates at February 06, 2013 06:43 PM (e8kgV)

36 19 Liberal Media 'Don't Really Care About____________' Unless 'It Helps Them Politically'

Fill in the blank with the topic of the moment.

Posted by: zsasz at February 06, 2013 06:40 PM (MMC8r)

--We could dedicate multiple threads to this theme. Caring about the environment except when it comes to illegal immigrants trashing it; caring about homosexuals except when it offends Muslim terrorists; caring about women except for when it comes to sex-selective abortion . . .

Posted by: logprof at February 06, 2013 06:44 PM (mi1DY)

37 yeah, well, she's absolutely right. Bush did horrific things to our constitution in the name of fighting terrorism, and Obama has made it much worse.

And everyone calling bush a war criminal is totally silent on the issue.

Posted by: Timin203 at February 06, 2013 06:44 PM (azmhu)

38 wow did carny really say this part?

POWERS: Or can you imagine if, as Robert Gibbs said when he was asked
about Anwar al-Awlaki's son being killed, and he said, “Well, I guess he
should have had a better father?” Can you imagine if Ari Fleischer had
said something like that? I mean, this should not, they have to get to
the bottom of this and not let the Administration get away with this.

And yeah it's a big deal. thanks media

but they left out rendition

Kristen., i'm sure it's difficult drawing attention to this.
but thanks..
\
this is really threatening to the liberty of americans.
this is too far.
and Kristen that the media is covering up for him ?

is worse.

Posted by: ette at February 06, 2013 06:44 PM (nqBYe)

39 Words fail me. I don't know about anyone else but there is a limit to how far we can be pushed by the blatant, in your face, hypocrisy of the media. Either they get destroyed or this country gets destroyed. It is no more complicated than that.

Posted by: LGoPs at February 06, 2013 06:44 PM (BJVEF)

40
The Left then: War Crimes!

The Left now: Squirrel!

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 06, 2013 06:45 PM (p/cQy)

41 "33 Guys,

The rule is with semi-hot to really hot liberals and lesbians is that the right man just hasn't fucked them yet.

Now grab your balls, smack a woman on the ass, and get them to make you a sandwich!!!!!!!!!!!!!

of course as we do their bidding 95% of the time, but the ass smacking is just for show!

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 06, 2013 06:43 PM (tVTLU) "

Thanks for the tip.




(I think that's what your mom said last night.)
(Not sure though, I was pretty drunk.)
(Otherwise, you know...)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 06, 2013 06:45 PM (tbBtG)

42 When "human rights" are no longer convenient to the cause, they become inconvenient to the cause.

Posted by: Warden at February 06, 2013 06:46 PM (HzhBE)

43 timin, yes oddly i eem to have miss'd demonstrations the last few years even though Obama is doing worse on human rights, american rights, and constitutional overreach libya etc..

Posted by: ette at February 06, 2013 06:46 PM (nqBYe)

44 "When I killed people it was face to face, up close and personal."

-- John F. Kerry, War Hero


"Me too."

-- Ted Kennedy, Senatorial Cooter Ninja

Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at February 06, 2013 06:46 PM (8ZskC)

45
Fucking Orwell should be getting royalties from the Democrat party.

Posted by: garrett at February 06, 2013 06:47 PM (hY5CF)

46 "43 timin, yes oddly i eem to have miss'd demonstrations the last few years even though Obama is doing worse on human rights, american rights, and constitutional overreach libya etc..

Posted by: ette at February 06, 2013 06:46 PM (nqBYe) "

Who whom.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 06, 2013 06:47 PM (tbBtG)

47 I am so sick of assault drones.

What do you "need" an assault drone for??

Over 150 kids and counting dead from these fucking drone strikes.


If we can save one life??

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 06, 2013 06:48 PM (tVTLU)

48 look at media that covered for menendez?

care about the women or children?


it's all a farce.
their voters are all useful tools.

Posted by: ette at February 06, 2013 06:48 PM (nqBYe)

49 If Daddy Obama says killing Americans without due process is okay, then it must be okay.

Posted by: Booger eating leftist at February 06, 2013 06:49 PM (HzhBE)

50 To whom are you referring ?

Posted by: ette at February 06, 2013 06:49 PM (nqBYe)

51 "48 look at media that covered for menendez?

care about the women or children?


it's all a farce.
their voters are all useful tools.

Posted by: ette at February 06, 2013 06:48 PM (nqBYe) "

Of course the Media doesn't care about children. It's pretty hard to care about children when abortion makes you hard...

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 06, 2013 06:49 PM (tbBtG)

52 Dems show their love for poor Mexicans by killing them.

Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at February 06, 2013 06:50 PM (8ZskC)

53 But Bush was a hater! Obama kills them with LOVE!!!

And hellfires. But hellfires of LOVE!!!

Posted by: zsasz at February 06, 2013 06:50 PM (MMC8r)

54 "50 To whom are you referring ?

Posted by: ette at February 06, 2013 06:49 PM (nqBYe) "

Something Lenin said. What is being done doesn't matter. What matters is who is doing it to whom.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 06, 2013 06:50 PM (tbBtG)

55 *removes sunglasses*

Never trust somebody named Horatio.

Posted by: t-bird at February 06, 2013 06:51 PM (FcR7P)

56 Ms Powers nails it

The idea that, you know, you think that George Bush is a war criminal for water boarding three planners of 9/11 attacks, but you don't have a problem with the President having a kill list. Again, we knew he had a kill list before the election, this is not new information. We, it's just gotten worse because now we've seen that they're doing exactly what President Obama criticized Bush for which is basically making up, making the law fit around his already preconceived notions.

And what Obama is doing an un-Constitutional and it’s illegal. There's no question. There is no way you can argue that you can kill an American without due process, and that he's not being held accountable by the media, I mean, he has not even addressed this memo. Could you imagine if this was Bush?

Posted by: Thunderb at February 06, 2013 06:51 PM (Dnbau)

57 It's different when the Obamessiah does it.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 06, 2013 06:51 PM (NEIxp)

58 "52 Dems show their love for poor Mexicans by killing them.

Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at February 06, 2013 06:50 PM (8ZskC) "

A lot of Mexicans were gun-wound challenged. Obama (and Holder) took care of it.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 06, 2013 06:51 PM (tbBtG)

59 I just heard (don't watch) that Beckel actually got his dander up about All Powerful Authority Over Life And Death drone strikes on citizens.

Actually the phrase used was "came out of his drunken stupor long enough to recognize the problem."

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 06, 2013 06:52 PM (bxiXv)

60 Your mouth. Stuff happens. Sorry!

Posted by: jakeman at February 06, 2013 06:53 PM (96M6e)

61 Has anyone else here read the Greenfield post on the three classes of Liberal Hell? Very appropriate (it touches on the thee of this thread), and another good way of explaining "anarcho-tyranny."

Posted by: logprof at February 06, 2013 06:53 PM (mi1DY)

62 "55 *removes sunglasses*

Never trust somebody named Horatio.

Posted by: t-bird at February 06, 2013 06:51 PM (FcR7P) "

Didn't Horatio defend the bridge? Or am I thinking of someone else?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 06, 2013 06:53 PM (tbBtG)

63 Of course the Media doesn't care about children. It's pretty hard to care about children when abortion makes you hard...

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 06, 2013 06:49 PM (tbBtG)

well they do like the paychecks teaching the little ones.
and to use them fronts for their ideals and drag them out for pics and power grabs.


Dems show their love for poor Mexicans by killing them.


Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at February 06, 2013 06:50 PM (8ZskC)

then lie about it, and MEDIA covers for them.

Posted by: ette at February 06, 2013 06:53 PM (nqBYe)

64 We only care about winning and gaining power at all costs.

Posted by: The Left at February 06, 2013 06:53 PM (uhftQ)

65 46 "43 timin, yes oddly i eem to have miss'd demonstrations the last few years even though Obama is doing worse on human rights, american rights, and constitutional overreach libya etc..

Posted by: ette at February 06, 2013 06:46 PM (nqBYe) "

Who whom.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 06, 2013 06:47 PM (tbBtG)

Who Made Who

Posted by: AC/DC at February 06, 2013 06:53 PM (mi1DY)

66
I just heard (don't watch) that Beckel actually got his dander up about All Powerful Authority Over Life And Death drone strikes on citizens.

Actually the phrase used was "came out of his drunken stupor long enough to recognize the problem."



Drunk, fat, blind pig finds a truffle!

Posted by: garrett at February 06, 2013 06:54 PM (ecz85)

67 then lie about it, and MEDIA covers for them.

Posted by: ette at February 06, 2013 06:53 PM (nqBYe)


Or the MFM preemptively lies about it, cutting out the middle man. Saves time.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 06, 2013 06:54 PM (bxiXv)

68 Not too surprising. The ultimate outcome is POWER. All other considerations secondary. Crew expendable. ("Crew" is interchangeable with "human beings" in this instance).

Posted by: bicentennialguy at February 06, 2013 06:55 PM (k6b4q)

69 Oh and since I haven't said it in at least an hour, MFM delenda est.

They are too corrupt to be salvaged, we need to start over and abandon the infested swamp.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 06, 2013 06:55 PM (bxiXv)

70 "65 46 "43 timin, yes oddly i eem to have miss'd demonstrations the last few years even though Obama is doing worse on human rights, american rights, and constitutional overreach libya etc..

Posted by: ette at February 06, 2013 06:46 PM (nqBYe) "

Who whom.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 06, 2013 06:47 PM (tbBtG)

Who Made Who

Posted by: AC/DC at February 06, 2013 06:53 PM (mi1DY) "

I already explained it. Scroll up.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 06, 2013 06:55 PM (tbBtG)

71
Out: Hypocrisy

In: Evolving


Posted by: MFM News Speak Dictionary at February 06, 2013 06:55 PM (mETGQ)

72 68 Not too surprising. The ultimate outcome is POWER. All other considerations secondary. Crew expendable. ("Crew" is interchangeable with "human beings" in this instance).

Posted by: bicentennialguy at February 06, 2013 06:55 PM (k6b4q)

--We're all wearing red shirts.

Posted by: logprof at February 06, 2013 06:55 PM (mi1DY)

73 Ette:

It made me sick, but that's exactly what fucking Gibbs said. And the kid was not killed on the same strike as his father, BUT TWO FUCKING WEEKS LATER, after his father was dead.

Being an American citizen used to fucking mean something. Perhaps a counter wave where true liberals and true conservatives meet is coming into being.

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 06, 2013 06:55 PM (tVTLU)

74 Just checking in...

Posted by: dogfish at February 06, 2013 06:56 PM (N2yhW)

75 consider this

progs insist we extend Constitutional protection to non citizens

and conversely claim its perfectly OK to deprive United States citizens of their Constitutional rights

Posted by: Thunderb at February 06, 2013 06:56 PM (Dnbau)

76 On a rather depressing and aggravating day, it gave me great joy when I was talking to a client and she dropped that "things aren't going to improve for about four years."

I know you're never supposed to talk politics with a client, but it was like a secret handshake or something.

Posted by: jakeman at February 06, 2013 06:56 PM (96M6e)

77 ...can't get rid of me.

Posted by: dogfish at February 06, 2013 06:56 PM (N2yhW)

78 Being an American citizen used to fucking mean something. Perhaps a counter wave where true liberals and true conservatives meet is coming into being.

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 06, 2013 06:55 PM (tVTLU)

--Non-citizens here illegally have more due process protection than Americans overseas.

Posted by: logprof at February 06, 2013 06:57 PM (mi1DY)

79 First you get the revenue. Then you get the power. Then you get the Bodymen.

Posted by: Baracka Montana at February 06, 2013 06:57 PM (+s5ze)

80 It made me sick, but that's exactly what fucking Gibbs said. And the kid was not killed on the same strike as his father, BUT TWO FUCKING WEEKS LATER, after his father was dead.

I did not know that. It makes ALL the difference.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 06, 2013 06:57 PM (Qxe/p)

81 Or the MFM preemptively lies about it, cutting out the middle man. Saves time.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 06, 2013 06:54 PM (bxiXv)

it srsly is something i never expected in america.
yeah i know people have said htey were subversive for years.but i never saw anything like this!i mean they aren't even threatened they do this shit for power/that they get it with the party.terrifying to me.

Posted by: ette at February 06, 2013 06:57 PM (nqBYe)

82 "72 68 Not too surprising. The ultimate outcome is POWER. All other considerations secondary. Crew expendable. ("Crew" is interchangeable with "human beings" in this instance).

Posted by: bicentennialguy at February 06, 2013 06:55 PM (k6b4q)

--We're all wearing red shirts.

Posted by: logprof at February 06, 2013 06:55 PM (mi1DY) "

And if we refuse to beam down, we get taxed. Or "taxed."

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 06, 2013 06:57 PM (tbBtG)

83 "Do I have to go on this away mission, Sir?"

Posted by: Lt. Expendable in the Transporter Room at February 06, 2013 06:57 PM (+z4pE)

84 Like a bad penny.

Posted by: dogfish at February 06, 2013 06:57 PM (N2yhW)

85 "Completely Dispicable:" The Left's Repulsive Hypocrisy on Assassinations
—Ace

So when they complained, they were sandbagging American defense policy despite not believing their own claims at all?


_______________

Fen's Law.

Posted by: tasker at February 06, 2013 06:57 PM (r2PLg)

86 Thunderb i've been saying that for days or everytime this comes up.
Holder and Obama wanted other country's citizens availed of American Courts.
yet americans would not be afforded their natural rights to those courts!

Posted by: ette at February 06, 2013 06:59 PM (nqBYe)

87 Thunderb and Logprof:

You both hit the nail on the fucking head.

And you think we give one inch on ANY OF OUR FUCKING RIGHTS.

It starts right here and right now with the 2nd Amendment. Fuck you. War. No more background checks. Nothing. Not one fucking thing.
That one everyone understands. Then we branch out on the NDAA, fucking drones, the storing of everyone's email, etc., etc., etc.

PERHAPS THE FIGHT IS COMING SOONER THAN WE THINK.

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 06, 2013 06:59 PM (tVTLU)

88 @76

I know what you mean, it occasionally happens to me with clients too. It's like we're already secretly whispering shibboleth.

Posted by: Timin203 at February 06, 2013 06:59 PM (azmhu)

89
BAD PENNY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSivVYwKwZc

Posted by: BIG BLACK at February 06, 2013 06:59 PM (+s5ze)

90 Yup, it was never about morals, but about Power. By default, any action Bush takes is bad, any action taken by King Putt is good -- even if they are the same action, with the same result.

This is the mindset of the Left -- hypocrites, almost every one of them.

Let. It. Burn.

Posted by: acethepug at February 06, 2013 06:59 PM (6BMzC)

91
consider this


progs insist we extend Constitutional protection to non citizens


and conversely claim its perfectly OK to deprive United States citizens of their Constitutional rights


Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 06, 2013 07:00 PM (+z4pE)

92 it srsly is something i never expected in america.
yeah i know people have said htey were subversive for years.but i never saw anything like this!i mean they aren't even threatened they do this shit for power/that they get it with the party.terrifying to me.

Posted by: ette at February 06, 2013 06:57 PM (nqBYe)


I've been telling people for almost 20 years and they dismissed me because they wanted to believe the news because the newspeople said they should.

When I was in j-school (left to do other things), I studied the media themselves, and *at that point* decided they were hopelessly infested, and had been since before I was born. There are always a handful of decent reporters and a number of oblivious ones, but the Control Freaks run the show and always have.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 06, 2013 07:00 PM (bxiXv)

93 The complete lack of cognitive dissonance certainly bothers me. We can't argue against people who give less than two craps about the truth. If I understand Arendt correctly, the goal of our foes is not to solve problems to be always appear to be solving them. Whether they are helping or not is irrelevant, so long as they can tell themselves that they are helping. It's really frightening to debunk this for a liberal and see that person just reject the evidence out of hand, not because it is false or because it has a logical flaw but purely because the conclusion differs with their preferred outcome.

I have no idea how to fix this, but it needs some serious fixing. And soon. The things justified by being "morally right" in their eyes is becoming increasingly disturbing.

Posted by: Aaron at February 06, 2013 07:00 PM (Tlix5)

94 How can you say they don't care about human lives and due process? The recording that Ambassador Stevens got proves the opposite: "Your call is very important to us..."

See?

Posted by: t-bird at February 06, 2013 07:00 PM (FcR7P)

95
...continued...

You, sir or madam as the case may be, have broken the code.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 06, 2013 07:00 PM (+z4pE)

96 You know it's bad if Kristen Powers asks the "what if it was Bush" question. Is it really too much to ask for a little consistency? I mean come on, killing American citizens without due process gets a yawn. The Democrat Party, membership has its privileges.

Posted by: no good deed at February 06, 2013 07:01 PM (mjR67)

97 Powers got into it with Toure over this on twitter:


@kirstenpowers10



But not King. RT @Toure: He's the Commander in Chief. RT @kirstenpowers10: U r fine w the White House deciding who is guilty who shld die?

Posted by: Tami at February 06, 2013 07:01 PM (X6akg)

98 It made me sick, but that's exactly what fucking
Gibbs said. And the kid was not killed on the same strike as his father,
BUT TWO FUCKING WEEKS LATER, after his father was dead.



Being an American citizen used to fucking mean something. Perhaps a
counter wave where true liberals and true conservatives meet is coming
into being.

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 06, 2013 06:55 PM (tVTLU)

i don't even know what to say.

Posted by: ette at February 06, 2013 07:01 PM (nqBYe)

99 I was so despondent and in disbelief that this tyrant was re-elected that I had to do a lot of internal soul searching.

When you wake up in the morning, and wash your face, look in the mirror and know that you are dying.

We are not meant to just eat, shit and then die.

If fear of jail or persecution means we don't stand up, then we have already lost everything. OUR PRINCIPLES are worth fighting and dying for.

I still want to organize thousands to march on the Washington monument and lay 30 round magazines at its base. A rally for all rallies. And then we will have the David Gregory's AG letter handy for the First Amendment.

And then let the arrests begin if they fucking dare.

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 06, 2013 07:02 PM (tVTLU)

100 Four legs good! Two legs bad!
Four legs good! Two legs bad!

Posted by: Warden at February 06, 2013 07:02 PM (HzhBE)

101 OT Just heard on the radidio. The US is tightening sanctions on Iran, including on the state-run press. Apparently we're saying that their press "stifles dissent".

Posted by: t-bird at February 06, 2013 07:04 PM (FcR7P)

102 "93 The complete lack of cognitive dissonance certainly bothers me. We can't argue against people who give less than two craps about the truth. If I understand Arendt correctly, the goal of our foes is not to solve problems to be always appear to be solving them. Whether they are helping or not is irrelevant, so long as they can tell themselves that they are helping. It's really frightening to debunk this for a liberal and see that person just reject the evidence out of hand, not because it is false or because it has a logical flaw but purely because the conclusion differs with their preferred outcome.

I have no idea how to fix this, but it needs some serious fixing. And soon. The things justified by being "morally right" in their eyes is becoming increasingly disturbing.

Posted by: Aaron at February 06, 2013 07:00 PM (Tlix5) "

The inevitable outcome of the prestige-driven society.


(But it would be cognitive consonance, or whatever the antonym of dissonance is.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 06, 2013 07:04 PM (tbBtG)

103
The complete lack of cognitive dissonance certainly bothers me. We can't argue against people who give less than two craps about the truth. If I understand Arendt correctly, the goal of our foes is not to solve problems to be always appear to be solving them. Whether they are helping or not is irrelevant, so long as they can tell themselves that they are helping. It's really frightening to debunk this for a liberal and see that person just reject the evidence out of hand, not because it is false or because it has a logical flaw but purely because the conclusion differs with their preferred outcome.

We out here in the Real World prefer our problems to be solved.

But that's just us. We're the oddballs, dontchaknow.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 06, 2013 07:05 PM (+z4pE)

104 I have no idea how to fix this, but it needs some serious fixing. And soon. The things justified by being "morally right" in their eyes is becoming increasingly disturbing.

Posted by: Aaron at February 06, 2013 07:00 PM (Tlix5)


We have been committed to proper processes, rule of law, and cooperation and comity because we think that's how things should be done. The left have "broken" that system by being intransigent, unyielding, power-mad tamper-tantrums on legs.

We can no longer cooperate with them (because they *will not* cooperate with us). Our only choices left are over, around, or through, because "with" is off the table.

Just remember they took it off the table, while lying and saying we did. They have been getting what they wanted for decades while giving nothing and screaming "why don't you ever let us have what *WE* want?!?!"

They need a spanking and a time out.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 06, 2013 07:06 PM (bxiXv)

105 The US is tightening sanctions on Iran, including
on the state-run press. Apparently we're saying that their press
"stifles dissent".

Posted by: t-bird at February 06, 2013 07:04 PM (FcR7P)

sigh, insane.

Posted by: ette at February 06, 2013 07:06 PM (nqBYe)

106 The Million Mag. March.....

July 4, 2013....

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 06, 2013 07:06 PM (tVTLU)

107 My shirt isn't red.....Eeeek. Yes it is!

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 06, 2013 07:07 PM (uhftQ)

108 Al Gore, leftist icon.

Sexual predator, carbon footprint a mile wide, sells out to Qataris for oil money...

Posted by: zsasz at February 06, 2013 07:07 PM (MMC8r)

109 It made me sick, but that's exactly what fucking Gibbs said. And the kid was not killed on the same strike as his father, BUT TWO FUCKING WEEKS LATER, after his father was dead.

I did not know that. It makes ALL the difference.

***

While sitting in a cafe. He was collateral damage. Who was targeted in that strike?

I'm having difficulty keeping up.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 06, 2013 07:07 PM (piMMO)

110
It's like we're already secretly whispering shibboleth.


\ \
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\ \
\|

lightning bolt, lightning bolt, LIGHTNING BOLT!!!

Posted by: imp at February 06, 2013 07:07 PM (UaxA0)

111
>>The US is tightening sanctions on Iran, including
on the state-run press. Apparently we're saying that their press
"stifles dissent".<<

The Fuck?

Posted by: Zombie Green Revolutionary at February 06, 2013 07:07 PM (+s5ze)

112 This showed up with the Hagel confirmation.

Peter Beinhart was *shocked* at Hagel's performance--even worse Ace went back and found where Peter was predicting that --

Haegel would be the next Eisenhower.

Thing about Hagel is--the main reason the press was shocked by his poor performance was because--they never really questioned him before. They never did their job.


Hagel was useful to them in their attacks on Republicans and his muddled thought process was taken as brilliance and for entry points to form their own attacks.

Posted by: tasker at February 06, 2013 07:08 PM (r2PLg)

113 Anyone else on the Organizing for Action email list, formerly known as the Re-Elect TFG campaign? They are now collecting immigration stories, in an effort to help move forward on "comprehensive immigration reform." Because we all know that sob-story anecdotes are how we should set policy.

Posted by: jakeman at February 06, 2013 07:08 PM (96M6e)

114 @99 I feel the same way. I don't know how the hell we got here. I'm 36 years old and this is not the country in which I grew up.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at February 06, 2013 07:08 PM (k6b4q)

115 Peter *Beinhart*.

Posted by: tasker at February 06, 2013 07:09 PM (r2PLg)

116 Hagel was useful to them in their attacks on Republicans and his muddled thought process was taken as brilliance and for entry points to form their own attacks.

Posted by: tasker at February 06, 2013 07:08 PM (r2PLg)

--Would someone refresh my memory, but wasn't Hagel one of the Republicans who voted for expanding the Pigford largesse?

Posted by: logprof at February 06, 2013 07:10 PM (mi1DY)

117 his muddled thought process was taken as brilliance


Hmmmmm, now what movie does this sound like?

Posted by: pep at February 06, 2013 07:10 PM (6TB1Z)

118 It really is sickening t think that a 16 year old, born in Colorado, was taken out and we don't even get the standard, 'you've gotta break a few eggs' bullshit.

Instead, we hear smug remarks about how bad a father he had.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 06, 2013 07:11 PM (piMMO)

119 114:

We're right around the same age. And you fucking bet. I would be arrested if they FUCKING ARRESTED my ten year old son for having a toy play gun at school.

To take the country back we need to DO SOMETHING. I have proposed my first significant step.

July 4, 2013, the Million Mag. March.

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 06, 2013 07:11 PM (tVTLU)

120 113 Jakeman,

The Lucy Gonzalez story.....

Female MP Latina Bisexual Republican who overcame a Meth dealing childhood.....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 07:11 PM (YPgJ9)

121 I had thought our side ought to attack Obama from the left, but discretely in college-aged mailers, on the drones, etc. But wondered if it would be undermining our own military's WOT effort.

Painting Obama as a human rights violator seemed a good way to "suppress" the youth vote.

Posted by: Serious Cat at February 06, 2013 07:11 PM (UypUQ)

122

You all realize that in real dystopias, the only ones who can make a difference are those who are implicitly trusted at the highest levels of the establishment.

Switch parties. Play along. Sabotage from the inside. It's what they have done for decades now.




Posted by: imp at February 06, 2013 07:11 PM (UaxA0)

123 Ooh, ooh, Pep, I'll take a shot at it!

In the spring, the rains come, and the flowers bloom.

Posted by: jakeman at February 06, 2013 07:12 PM (96M6e)

124 114 @99 I feel the same way. I don't know how the hell we got here. I'm 36 years old and this is not the country in which I grew up.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at February 06, 2013 07:08 PM (k6b4q)


I'm 65, and we "got here" courtesy of people in my generation raising people your age. A broad ranging mixture of hippies, free love, and military heroes like John Kerry.

That you would make this observation at your age is what scares me.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 06, 2013 07:12 PM (Qxe/p)

125 Evil is very clever in convincing you its not evil.

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 06, 2013 07:12 PM (J6hHs)

126 118bNDH,

From the spokesman for a guy with supreme daddy issues all his own....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 07:13 PM (YPgJ9)

127 I get a the Rochester FOX station as part of my cable package here, and boy are there a lot of ambulance-chaser commercials. WTF is wrong with you, New York State?

Posted by: logprof at February 06, 2013 07:14 PM (mi1DY)

128 Switch parties. Play along. Sabotage from the inside.

That's why I switched from indy to Dem.

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 06, 2013 07:14 PM (J6hHs)

129
You all realize that in real dystopias, the only ones who can make a difference are those who are implicitly trusted at the highest levels of the establishment.

Switch parties. Play along. Sabotage from the inside. It's what they have done for decades now.




Posted by: imp at February 06, 2013 07:11 PM (UaxA0)

--A friend of mine with an Irish surname (and given name) gave serious thought to running as a pro-life Dem when he lived in Boston.

Posted by: logprof at February 06, 2013 07:15 PM (mi1DY)

130 @119 I feel ya. I always tell people, if I had kids, I'd be at the damn school every day. They'd have a restraining order on me.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at February 06, 2013 07:15 PM (k6b4q)

131 Sven, you're close. Here's a taste:

I was brought to this country from Mexico when I was 2 years old.

I am an undocumented immigrant -- and I am living proof that our immigration system is broken.

For the first 17 years of my life, I slept on a couch. My mom worked three jobs to support our family.

I worked hard, too. I did my homework, participated in class, and earned the opportunity go to college. But after I enrolled, state law changed and many undocumented immigrants were forced to drop out. Suddenly they could no longer afford the education they were eager to work for.


Sing along with me, "Dreeeeeam, dream, dream, dream..."

Posted by: jakeman at February 06, 2013 07:15 PM (96M6e)

132

"Ace is an illegal alien! That's why he doesn't want anyone to know who he is."

He is not illegal, just "out of status".

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 06, 2013 07:15 PM (DAoux)

133 David Caruso...is that Enrico Caruso's wife?

Posted by: model_1066 at February 06, 2013 07:16 PM (7xPCu)

134 128 Purp Av,

"Plan B" I can't pull it off...

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 07:16 PM (YPgJ9)

135 128 Switch parties. Play along. Sabotage from the inside.

That's why I switched from indy to Dem.

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 06, 2013 07:14 PM (J6hHs)

--More of us need to do this so we can mess up their primaries.

Posted by: logprof at February 06, 2013 07:16 PM (mi1DY)

136 A Yemeni government source told Fox News that they could not confirm the teenager’s death either because no one in Yemeni government had seen the body – at one point suggesting that it may be in the al-Awlaki family’s interest to publicly state the boy is dead.
While initial reports after the mid-October strike suggested the son was a militant with Al Qaeda in his 20s, exclusive video, shot by Fox News and seen here as part of Fox News' ongoing investigation of the cleric al-Awlaki and his new generation of American recruits, suggests the son was well under the age of 18.
Sources who spoke to Fox News on the condition of anonymity, given the sensitive nature of the strike, said the teenager was not the intended target but he was traveling with a senior member of Al Qaeda– Ibrahim al-Banna – considered a top leader for the Yemeni network. Al-Banna was killed.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/25/killi

ng-anwar-al-awlaki-unexpected-precedent-for-

obama-administration/#ixzz2KAT0HAE0

Posted by: tasker at February 06, 2013 07:17 PM (r2PLg)

137 131 Jakeman,

Nice, Lucy Gonzalez is my imaginary Latina anti-obama cult of personality..

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 07:17 PM (YPgJ9)

138 Well, later all.

God bless. :-)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at February 06, 2013 07:20 PM (tbBtG)

139

More of us need to do this so we can mess up their primaries.


I'm not thinking so small. I mean REALLY infiltrate. Become part of the party structure. Adopt their costume. Find a place to do damage and do it. No more symbolic shit. Become their nominee. Have a "conversion" moment, and become a "liberal." Set up their rising stars for scandal. Collapse them from the inside.

Posted by: imp at February 06, 2013 07:20 PM (UaxA0)

140 Did anyone take the under on Ace making a headline correction in an hour?

Posted by: garrett at February 06, 2013 07:20 PM (+s5ze)

141 I know it's a suckers bet...but the odds have to be huge.

Posted by: garrett at February 06, 2013 07:21 PM (+s5ze)

142 130:

Then they could just take away your Second Amendment rights, but of course.

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 06, 2013 07:22 PM (tVTLU)

143 Timin203

You sir are a nitwit. I suggest running headlong into a brick wall until your condition improves.

Posted by: DaveA at February 06, 2013 07:22 PM (JJdOG)

144
--Would someone refresh my memory, but wasn't Hagel one of the Republicans who voted for expanding the Pigford largesse?
Posted by: logprof at February 06, 2013 07:10 PM (mi1DY)

_________________

Having a hard time finding the vote.

Posted by: tasker at February 06, 2013 07:22 PM (r2PLg)

145 July 4, 2013.

Everyone bring one 30 round magazine to deposit at the Washington Monument.

Where: Washington D.C.

Also bring a copy of the DC AG's opinion on why David Gregory was not prosecuted.


We can make this happen...........

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 06, 2013 07:23 PM (tVTLU)

146 I don't care how you feel about homos getting married or whatever, people should be angry that 1.4 million people (who may or may not be affiliated in anyway with or have/haven't ever given a dime to) disagreeing with the Boy Scouts of America think they can go in and highjack an organization that disagrees with their policies concerning homosexuality. This is about freedom and control. It's about money and power.

It's not benign. It's an issue of freedoms. . . Why don't gays and their supporters start their own scouting organization from scratch instead of highjacking another organization that someone else started and built? Talk about intolerance and jealousy.

Posted by: whobewut at February 06, 2013 07:23 PM (W5c4e)

147 I'm not thinking so small. I mean REALLY infiltrate. Become part of the party structure. Adopt their costume. Find a place to do damage and do it. No more symbolic shit. Become their nominee. Have a "conversion" moment, and become a "liberal." Set up their rising stars for scandal. Collapse them from the inside.

***

http://bit.ly/11XYfl1

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 06, 2013 07:24 PM (piMMO)

148 Robert Gibbs said when he was asked

about Anwar al-Awlaki's son being killed, and he said, “Well, I guess he

should have had a better father?”

so how about repeating Gibbs answer with
anything we could mention.

for illegals ;\I am an undocumented citizen, my father brought me to america when i was two

Robert Gibbs when asked about illegals , Well I guess He should have been a better father.

robert gibbs when asked about a child being killed by a drive by.
Well i guess He should have have had a better father!

Posted by: ette at February 06, 2013 07:24 PM (nqBYe)

149 @124 It really is astonishing. I went to public schools, mind you, in a town of about 5000 people, butI don't ever remember the US being denigrated, vilified or otherwise maligned. We were taught from an early age the founding and we said the Pledge through fourth grade. In Kindergarten when we had our snack, we PRAYED. Every day. This was in 1981. It happened; I'm not lying. My parents are and have always been staunch Conservatives.I was raised to believe that it's your life, do what you want, but ultimately, I ws are responsible formy decisions. No one owes you anything.
This sentiment is dying.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at February 06, 2013 07:24 PM (k6b4q)

150 Of course the Left is being hypocritical and false when they ignore Obama's use of drones to kill when they condemned loudly Bush's use of the same.

Yet, what can we say of the right, which defended Bush's drone policy and now is so quick to decry Obama's identical policy.

Obama's policy is correct....as was Bush's..

Posted by: Kasper in Miami at February 06, 2013 07:25 PM (7x9pP)

151 146 --- The Left does not build.
It can only take over and destroy what others have built.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 06, 2013 07:26 PM (C8mVl)

152 147 I'm not thinking so small. I mean REALLY infiltrate. Become part of the party structure. Adopt their costume. Find a place to do damage and do it. No more symbolic shit. Become their nominee. Have a "conversion" moment, and become a "liberal." Set up their rising stars for scandal. Collapse them from the inside.

***

http://bit.ly/11XYfl1
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 06, 2013 07:24 PM (piMMO)

My gag reflex will not allow that. I'd puke on everyone, but then again, maybe that's a plus.

Posted by: model_1066 at February 06, 2013 07:26 PM (7xPCu)

153
>>No one owes you anything.<<

Except access to free birth control.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at February 06, 2013 07:26 PM (+s5ze)

154 NDH, I was thinking along these lines...
http://www.you tube.com/watch?v=CXsIkt1JVNU

You think you're gonna set things to rights
You're just another picture on a teenage wall
You're just another sucker ready for a fall
You gonna fight from the inside

Posted by: jakeman at February 06, 2013 07:26 PM (96M6e)

155 Kirsten Honey, hush. Lay back and think of the Clinton Administration.

Posted by: Fritz at February 06, 2013 07:27 PM (WM+rJ)

156 so how about repeating Gibbs answer with
anything we could mention.

Posted by: ette at February 06, 2013 07:24 PM (nqBYe)

--Trayvon Martin should have had a better father.

Posted by: logprof at February 06, 2013 07:27 PM (mi1DY)

157 Obama's policy is correct....as was Bush's..

Posted by: Kasper in Miami at February 06, 2013 07:25 PM (7x9pP)Except they aren't the same policy. Obama is killing people for political expediency.

Posted by: garrett at February 06, 2013 07:27 PM (+s5ze)

158 she's gonna need some ice for that soon.

Posted by: Thunderb at February 06, 2013 07:28 PM (Dnbau)

159 Yet, what can we say of the right, which defended Bush's drone policy and now is so quick to decry Obama's identical policy.



Obama's policy is correct....as was Bush's..





Posted by: Kasper in Miami at February 06, 2013 07:25 PM (7x9pP)

killing american citzens jerk.
without dure proccess
while being a hypocrit and having wanted Non nations citizens terrorist in American courts
while not allowing accused americans to have the rights due to them.

Posted by: ette at February 06, 2013 07:28 PM (nqBYe)

160 logprof--if anyone remembers it would be someone at Patterico's.

Posted by: tasker at February 06, 2013 07:28 PM (r2PLg)

161 150 Kasper in Miami,

What the hell are you talking about?

Why are we under any more compulsion to do right for the nation than our honorable donk friends were for 8 years?

"By any means necessary" right dear donkey?

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 07:28 PM (YPgJ9)

162 Jose Padilla is writing thank-you notes to Ashcroft and Bush as we type.

Posted by: lauraw at February 06, 2013 07:28 PM (yGblt)

163 You know the EPA is also using drones to spy on Americans.

And Obama's set the standard of killing American citizens with them.

Posted by: zsasz at February 06, 2013 07:29 PM (MMC8r)

164 159 what?

Posted by: JDP at February 06, 2013 07:29 PM (60GaT)

165
I am an undocumented immigrant -- and I am living proof that our immigration system is broken.


No, you are living proof that your parents are criminals and have absolutely no respect for American law.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 06, 2013 07:29 PM (+z4pE)

166
Posted by: lauraw at February 06, 2013 07:28 PM (yGblt)

Damn. Your snark is almost as hot as your hump.
Almost.

Posted by: garrett at February 06, 2013 07:29 PM (+s5ze)

167 In order to fight something, you have to call it by its real name.The Dems are Communists. Obama is a Communist. They never give up. They have no philosophic position, just a lust for power. If the public does not realize this soon, we have no chance against them at all. We're doomed.

Posted by: ahem at February 06, 2013 07:29 PM (GaoAy)

168 Yes, non-citizens are apples and oranges. Period.

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 06, 2013 07:30 PM (tVTLU)

169 161 great mentality

Posted by: JDP at February 06, 2013 07:30 PM (60GaT)

170 @149 One of my kids is now attending a public charter school (that is governed only by the parents and a board. . . only reports to the state, not the county) where daily the children say the pledge and sing patriotic songs. . . But they also say the pledge in Spanish after that. (That unsettled me when I found out.) Each month, they also memorize an important document/article of U.S. History.

My other school-age kids are politically-correct bussed to a lower performing school where the county has conveniently located the 100 or so 4th and 5th grade Very Strong Needs Academically gifteds. Ah! Social justice! It means I spend lots more on gas to get them there and back. (Yes, we've considered homeschooling and actually have done it. I liked it, but my husband still doesn't get what is going on culturally. He's not as paranoid as me, I guess.)

Posted by: whobewut at February 06, 2013 07:30 PM (W5c4e)

171 Yet, what can we say of the right, which defended Bush's drone policy and now is so quick to decry Obama's identical policy.


Obama's policy is correct....as was Bush's..


Posted by: Kasper in Miami at February 06, 2013 07:25 PM (7x9pP)


Bush argued for drone strikes on US citizens too? I must have missed that one.

Posted by: mugiwara at February 06, 2013 07:30 PM (hpYnL)

172 JDP , i was answering someone that said Bush policy and Obama policy were the same.

Posted by: ette at February 06, 2013 07:30 PM (nqBYe)

173 so how about repeating Gibbs answer with
anything we could mention.

***

Obama is a terrible pansy. He should have had a better father.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 06, 2013 07:31 PM (piMMO)

174 I was listening to Hannity o the radio yesterday (I know, I know) and they were discussing this. The prog woman was saying if it was good for Bush its OK for Obama. She really did not understand that is made a difference if the person targeted was a citizen or not. She did not get it. She was arguing that the Constitution applies to everyone or no one.

Posted by: Thunderb at February 06, 2013 07:31 PM (Dnbau)

175 NDH, I was thinking along these lines...
http://www.you tube.com/watch?v=CXsIkt1JVNU

You think you're gonna set things to rights
You're just another picture on a teenage wall
You're just another sucker ready for a fall
You gonna fight from the inside

****

can't get the link to work

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 06, 2013 07:32 PM (piMMO)

176 who cares if it's a U.S. citizen if they're an al Qaeda associate, honestly.

criticizing the memo for being too vague is another thing

Posted by: JDP at February 06, 2013 07:32 PM (60GaT)

177
On the plus side, habs v bruins is about to start.

Posted by: garrett at February 06, 2013 07:32 PM (+s5ze)

178 web address

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 06, 2013 07:32 PM (piMMO)

179 To the Left, receiving a vanilla swirlie is worse than being assassinated. Unhealed wounds from high school, I guess.

Posted by: mugiwara at February 06, 2013 07:34 PM (hpYnL)

180 If the constitution can't rein in Obama, no legal memo will either.

Posted by: Invictus at February 06, 2013 07:34 PM (OQpzc)

181 4 Despicable is the American spelling.....

Actually, it's demspicable.

Posted by: FURPC at February 06, 2013 07:34 PM (0ImZM)

182 174 ThunderB,

If you can read this thank an English teacher.
If you can say your life sucks thank the bill of rights.
If you're that retarded on the Bill of rights Ms. Caller than a fucking NEA drone.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 07:34 PM (YPgJ9)

183 Casper the Unfriendly Ghost's argument is the same one they used on Fast and Furious. Even though it's a completely different program whose particular differenced are the cause of concern (and mass-murder), they claim it's the same as Bush so YOU WINGERS SHOULD SHUT UP OMG BBQ!

Fucking horseshit.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 06, 2013 07:34 PM (bxiXv)

184

This certainly is a thing.



It is in no way a new thing, but it is fine to note.

Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at February 06, 2013 07:35 PM (1Y+hH)

185 who cares if it's a U.S. citizen if they're an al Qaeda associate...

******

An associate according to whom? The guys you call liars every other breath?
Chicago Inc would never falsely accuse someone. Right?

Posted by: panzernashorn at February 06, 2013 07:35 PM (MhA4j)

186 "Four legs good! Two legs bad!" --right up until the pigs are walking around on two legs. We actually read that book in school.

Posted by: PaleRide at February 06, 2013 07:35 PM (dkExz)

187
>>who cares if it's a U.S. citizen if they're an al Qaeda associate, honestly.<<

I care.
They aren't anything but a suspect until proven otherwise.
Remember, these are the same people who would make it illegal to pick this individual out of the boarding line in an airport for further scrutiny...
but dropping a bomb on him/her - that's totally cool.

Posted by: garrett at February 06, 2013 07:35 PM (+s5ze)

188 I hear a drone strike every time B.O. gives another speech.
An interminable drone. An incessant drone.

Posted by: wth at February 06, 2013 07:35 PM (wAQA5)

189

yet another issue that 99% of voters neither know nor care about

Posted by: soothsayer takes a load off granny at February 06, 2013 07:35 PM (8dspl)

190 Hey, now! Killing people left and right is only evil when you right wing fascists do it!

When I do it, it's liberation and thus cool and stuff.

P.S. Buy my t-shirt for only $29.99!

Posted by: Che at February 06, 2013 07:36 PM (Vk2pI)

191 JDP, if an american were caught shooting at , participating in a terrorist camp at the moment.
yeah i can see we can't check id's

The point is is there is No clarity from this administration
and if you read it, it could mean anyone participating in anything against the govt
speech?
hell the fact that they put bible thumpers, returning vets , pro lifers on lists doesn't make this a bad memo?

and there has been NO explanation or clarity through the whole thing even though they've been asked muliple times?

Posted by: ette at February 06, 2013 07:36 PM (nqBYe)

192 Maybe Bush would have won a Peace Prize if John Walker Lindh had been executed with a missile instead of tied to a stretcher.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at February 06, 2013 07:37 PM (SzAZ7)

193 Sorry, NDH, forgot you need to eliminate the space between you and tube.

Posted by: jakeman at February 06, 2013 07:37 PM (96M6e)

194 188 I hear a drone strike every time B.O. gives another speech.
An interminable drone. An incessant drone.

Posted by: wth at February 06, 2013 07:35 PM (wAQA5)

--Obozo: The human vuvuzela.

Posted by: logprof at February 06, 2013 07:37 PM (mi1DY)

195 I think George W Bush never believed that the Democrats would throw US national security over just to score political points. I think he was shocked and dumbfounded that they would.

And as a result he had no response, he just couldnt comprehend their perfidy.

it was a pose. It was always a pose.

Posted by: blaster at February 06, 2013 07:37 PM (mzI/B)

196 the kids wasnt the target tho, it was who he was traveling with, correct?

Posted by: Thunderb at February 06, 2013 07:37 PM (Dnbau)

197 "Chicago Inc would never falsely accuse someone. Right?"

see this is the type of paranoid shit i don't buy into

i'm not saying they couldn't possibly make mistakes about a target and if they're really meaningfully involved with al Qaeda. but falsely accusing someone (for...?) no.

Posted by: JDP at February 06, 2013 07:38 PM (60GaT)

198
Obama has decided that these people are worth more to him dead than alive.

This should scare the shit out of every citizen of this country.

Posted by: garrett at February 06, 2013 07:38 PM (+s5ze)

199 196 ThunderB,

correct which is actually when you think about a hat trick of assholery on their part....

1) he was killed on foreign soil for "being an American with a name that is different and not looking like the guys on our money

2) he was Muslim

3) he was juvenile collateral damage....

all of these were angst fuel for the donkey party from 2001-2009

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 07:39 PM (LRFds)

200 "Daddy, teacher says every time you drone bomb a citizen an Angel gets their wings." "That's right Zuzu."

Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at February 06, 2013 07:39 PM (MhA4j)

201 Chicago Inc would never falsely accuse someone. Right?
Posted by: panzernashorn at February 06, 2013 07:35 PM (MhA4j)

Well they have been preparing the field with calling Cons hostage takers and terrorists.

Posted by: Invictus at February 06, 2013 07:39 PM (OQpzc)

202 191 JDP, if an american were caught shooting at , participating in a terrorist camp at the moment.
yeah i can see we can't check id's

Posted by: ette at February 06, 2013 07:36 PM (nqBYe)


Absolutely, an imminent threat scenario applies to whether they can shoot someone who is an American citizen. In fact, you or I can as well, in that situation.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 06, 2013 07:39 PM (bxiXv)

203 Don't be thsuch a rain-in-the-pussth-th-th-th!

Posted by: Daffy Duck at February 06, 2013 07:40 PM (mi1DY)

204 It took President mom jeans 6 months and and a good night sleep to send seal team 6 in to take out the most wanted man in the last 50 years. He will look at the polls and how long away until the next election before he targets any American traitor in Yemen, Mali, or Libya or the hills of Afghanistan with a drone strike. In the end "What difference does it make"(tm) where the pilot sits. In the cockpit or Norfolk VA, have it be a F-18 or Reaper take out the bad guy where ever he sleeps. And more the power to them.

Posted by: Trevor (@tjexcite) at February 06, 2013 07:40 PM (Ea64Y)

205 197 JDP,

Yeah...no I get it....you're right.

hey the kid wasn't the target aren't you glad the adminstration's attiude is "his dead fucking father should have given better guidance"????

see here's the deal John Edwards was dead on there are two Americas...

and we ARE the 2d class citizens in it.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 07:41 PM (LRFds)

206 forgot you need to eliminate the space between you and tube.

That is so true!

Posted by: tube snake boogie at February 06, 2013 07:41 PM (mjR67)

207 The Obama Administration's EPA is already using drones to spy upon farmers on U.S. soil, - how difficult would it be to load a little ordnance on a drone for a couple of test runs?

Posted by: Fritz at February 06, 2013 07:41 PM (WM+rJ)

208 205

you seem to like these sorts of stream-of-thought rants

Posted by: JDP at February 06, 2013 07:42 PM (60GaT)

209 Thunderb i don't know

why would Gibbs say, well He's got a bad father.

well yeah but ???

so children of bad fathers are now expendable?


btw i'm not mad at the question .
i'm mad at gibbs answer.
For the Children!


Posted by: ette at February 06, 2013 07:42 PM (nqBYe)

210 Kirsten makes feel like all spanky and stuff.

Posted by: FURPC at February 06, 2013 07:42 PM (0ImZM)

211 Sorry, NDH, forgot you need to eliminate the space between you and tube.

***

got it.

That's such a great opening.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 06, 2013 07:42 PM (piMMO)

212 It's not the facts. It's the FUCKING PRECEDENT.

No extra-judicial killings of American citizens. EVER.

You can write all the fucking white papers you want. Killings of Americans, that aren't actively attacking our troops in battle in revolt, CAN NEVER BE JUSTIFIED. Especially targeted killings where live fire is not occurring.

I don't need a white paper. The parchment written on over 200 hundred years ago does just fine and does nothing but RECOGNIZE this INALIENABLE RIGHT given to us as free men and women by GOD....

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 06, 2013 07:42 PM (tVTLU)

213 Adam Gaddan was targeted (unsuccessfully) by Bush and he is an American citizen.

I am unfamiliar with Obama targeting anyone for death because of political expediency. He did imprison the filmmaker in California for political expediency, and for that he should be impeached.

As far as F&F....Holder should be impeached and jailed. Bush's "gunrunner" had no similarity to the politically motivated F&F....and didn't get perhaps hundreds killed.

Posted by: Kasper in Miami at February 06, 2013 07:43 PM (7x9pP)

214
see here's the deal John Edwards was dead on there are two Americas...

and we ARE the 2d class citizens in it.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 07:41 PM (LRFds)


--Greenfield's great post:

http://sultanknish.blogspot.ca/2013/02/the-three-types-of-people-youll-meet-in.html

Posted by: logprof at February 06, 2013 07:43 PM (mi1DY)

215 But these same libs wanted a trial in NYC for terrorists.

I wonder if there will be a tipping point whereby more of the liberals in the media that aren't totally bat shit crazy and shills for everything that Obama does will actually begin to criticize him openly. Powers, Corn, etc. are doing it. Might there be more of this?

God forbid the RNC takes an active campaign role and ring this from the rooftops. /s

Posted by: Cheri at February 06, 2013 07:43 PM (EAgmr)

216 208 JDP,

Shall I put on my dancing shoes for you dear man?

The office the media gifts Choom King with is not the office Bush got to occupy when I elected him.

Good enough for you kind sir?

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 07:43 PM (LRFds)

217 i'm not saying they couldn't possibly make mistakes about a target and if they're really meaningfully involved with al Qaeda. but falsely accusing someone (for...?) no.

Posted by: JDP at February 06, 2013 07:38 PM (60GaT)


They gave weapons to narco-terrorists in a neighboring allied country with the express hope that those weapons would be used in violent crimes (so they could be traced after being found at crime scenes, per insider witnesses and documentation from FandF).

So no, I don't put anything past them at all.

We are talking about the Prairie Fire Gang here.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 06, 2013 07:43 PM (bxiXv)

218 210 Kirsten makes feel like all spanky and stuff.
Posted by: FURPC at February 06, 2013 07:42 PM (0ImZM)

_______________

I think you need a word...

LOL!

Posted by: tasker at February 06, 2013 07:43 PM (r2PLg)

219 Kirsten makes you feel spanky?

Posted by: tasker at February 06, 2013 07:44 PM (r2PLg)

220 216 chill out a bit, is all i'm saying. you're all over the place.

Posted by: JDP at February 06, 2013 07:45 PM (60GaT)

221 214 Logprof,

I'm familiar with his thesis, it was intrinsic to Gulag Archipelago as well.

I'll do my best to be in the ghetto.

It is an excellent post, and I plan to make someone pay if it ever comes to it.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 07:45 PM (LRFds)

222 219 Kirsten makes you feel spanky?

Posted by: tasker at February 06, 2013 07:44 PM (r2PLg)


Back off, perv!

Posted by: Zombie Spanky McFarland at February 06, 2013 07:45 PM (mi1DY)

223 217

i'm not losing sleep thinking Obama's gonna start droning "bitter clingers" he personally doesn't like. maybe naive.

Posted by: JDP at February 06, 2013 07:46 PM (60GaT)

224
I am unfamiliar with Obama targeting anyone for death because of political expediency. He did imprison the filmmaker in California for political expediency, and for that he should be impeached.

'Kill not Capture' is the Obama Policy.
Why?
Because he can't square the circle that is Gitmo, EIT and rendition.

Gadhan was only targeted after he participated in several bombings (attempted and realized).

Posted by: garrett at February 06, 2013 07:46 PM (+s5ze)

225 logprof, sultan knish is a powerful writer.

Posted by: ette at February 06, 2013 07:46 PM (nqBYe)

226 222 219 Kirsten makes you feel spanky?

Posted by: tasker at February 06, 2013 07:44 PM (r2PLg)


Back off, perv!
Posted by: Zombie Spanky McFarland at February 06, 2013 07:45 PM (mi1DY)

______________

Sorry--I thought "spanky" might have been his pet name for his--snake.

Posted by: tasker at February 06, 2013 07:47 PM (r2PLg)

227 221 214 Logprof,

I'm familiar with his thesis, it was intrinsic to Gulag Archipelago as well.

I'll do my best to be in the ghetto.

It is an excellent post, and I plan to make someone pay if it ever comes to it.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 07:45 PM (LRFds)

--If it comes down to it, I'd like to say I'd "go ghetto/Galt," but these decisions are tougher with a babeh in tow. Homeschooling is definitely on the table, though.

Posted by: logprof at February 06, 2013 07:48 PM (mi1DY)

228 "Why are we under any more compulsion to do right for the nation than our honorable donk friends were for 8 years?

"By any means necessary" right dear donkey?"

_________

We are not under compulsion other than our own value of our character.

As to my being a "donkey", I assume you consider me a Democrat.... I did once vote for Al Gore for Senator when I was 21 and have regretted it ever since. Other than that (and refusing to even vote in 20080 I have voted straight GOP....

Posted by: Kasper in Miami at February 06, 2013 07:48 PM (7x9pP)

229 JDP, i'm not thinking that either, But He certainly is into shutting us up
look at obscure video guy, jow the plumber, and kosch brothers.

Fox news.

and he certainly is invested in stripping the second amendment

Posted by: ette at February 06, 2013 07:48 PM (nqBYe)

230
I don't think the PTB are sending those drones to fly over my little backwater town. During a career in real estate developmentIcame to the conclusionthat large cities are unliveable, though I lived in one at the time.


I completely understand how people come to live in such places. In my opinion most people should have a plan to escape any large city as soon as economically possible. For those drawn to large-style urban life, be my guest, somebody's got to do it.



Exurban life can be high quality, and the perfect locationseems to be one to two hours away from a large metropolitan area. This allows occasional access and quick escape back to calmer locations.

Why amrattling on about all this? I blame the wine. Carry on.


Once a typicalcityrises above 150,000

Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at February 06, 2013 07:48 PM (1Y+hH)

231 I'm just mad the obama admin doesn't share the gun camera footage.
I LOVE watching wannabe splodey dopes get sploded before they are ready.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 06, 2013 07:49 PM (uhftQ)

232 220 JDP,

Thanks, no.

I'm not all over the place. You may not be watching the pattern and well "sorry" but them's the breaks.

Barack Obama is a malignant narcissist hypocrite asshole motherfucker who played games with national security in collusion with his party allies while my wife was getting mortared in 'ghani and rocketed in Iraq. I feel nothing for the left but complete rage with maybe a dash of disdain. It is I believe structurally impossible for me to have a purer hatred for the the Democrat/Education/Infotainment complex than I have.

It takes everything I have in me to remind myself that I was raised to believe in a system he makes a mockery of, and that under that system I am NOT to misuse power or violence to get my way.

My reward for this restraint is to be called "racist, hostage taker, slave dealer.

I'll never act first, but chance ever comes I aim to act last.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 07:49 PM (LRFds)

233 hey weren't bankers also threatened?

i mean really?

look if the bankers did illegal; crap court is good.

but threats?

Posted by: ette at February 06, 2013 07:49 PM (nqBYe)

234 213 Adam Gaddan was targeted (unsuccessfully) by Bush and he is an American citizen.

Posted by: Kasper in Miami at February 06, 2013 07:43 PM (7x9pP)


When and where? The only event I'm aware of was a safehouse hit where he was *later* rumored to be there but State said he wasn't.

The only claims I've seen he was targeted for assasniation were from Prison Planet and holdover communist rags.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 06, 2013 07:49 PM (bxiXv)

235 Dennis Miller Show ‏@DennisDMZ

Headline Today. "Women's Unclean Breasts Cause Diarrhoea, Says Egypt Prime Minister Hisham Qandil" This is what passes for E=MC2 over there.

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 06, 2013 07:50 PM (8sCoq)

236 228 Kasper in Miami,

No Kasper I was speaking to the rhetorical donkey who brayed so hard in 2001-2008 you're unknown to me.

I apologize for the imprecision.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 07:50 PM (LRFds)

237 O/T But has anyone said that Rubio is going to give the rebuttal to the State of the Union in Spanish? Why? I don't see what this will accomplish.

Posted by: CarolT at February 06, 2013 07:50 PM (z4WKX)

238
>>Why? I don't see what this will accomplish.<<

It'll mean an extra 10 minute wait for your burrito that night.

Posted by: garrett at February 06, 2013 07:51 PM (+s5ze)

239 "Gadhan was only targeted after he participated in several bombings (attempted and realized)."


No he did not. He was a self-declared member of Al Queda and served as a spokesman...but he never participated in a bombing.

Other than the 16-year old son of Al-Malwaki (or whatever) who probably WAS involved in supporting his dad, who has Obama targeted that was not involved in actions against the U.S.?

(Serious question--I do not know the answer here.)

Posted by: Kasper in Miami at February 06, 2013 07:52 PM (7x9pP)

240 My reward for this restraint is to be called "racist, hostage taker, slave dealer.

I'll never act first, but chance ever comes I aim to act last.


Posted by: sven10077

Amen.

Posted by: Cheri at February 06, 2013 07:52 PM (EAgmr)

241 217 Mero,

The "guy I uh borrowed er uh sugar off a few times" told what he took for fellow travelers on several occasions that 25 million of us had to die.

I take him at least as seriously as I take communists.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 07:53 PM (LRFds)

242 "No Kasper I was speaking to the rhetorical donkey who brayed so hard in 2001-2008 you're unknown to me.

I apologize for the imprecision."


Well then....we agree.

Posted by: Kasper in Miami at February 06, 2013 07:53 PM (7x9pP)

243 237 O/T But has anyone said that Rubio is going to give the rebuttal to the State of the Union in Spanish? Why? I don't see what this will accomplish.

Posted by: CarolT at February 06, 2013 07:50 PM (z4WKX)


He's going to do it in both English and Spanish.
Up until now, they had one guy doing it in English, followed by some other guy doing it in Spanish.

I don't have a problem with it.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 06, 2013 07:53 PM (Qxe/p)

244 Hey, since Obama hasn't blown the lid on The 9-11 Inside Job, doesn't that mean he's in on it?

Posted by: zsasz at February 06, 2013 07:53 PM (MMC8r)

245 I don't see what this will accomplish.Posted by: CarolT at February 06, 2013 07:50 PM (z4WKX)Liberals will say he's patronizing, indys will shrugand conservatives will say WTF.So, it will accomplish what Republicans always seem to accomplish these days.

Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at February 06, 2013 07:54 PM (1Y+hH)

246
>>No he did not. He was a self-declared member of Al Queda and served as a spokesman...but he never participated in a bombing.<<

Iirc, he wasn't targeted until after Obama became CiC.

Posted by: garrett at February 06, 2013 07:54 PM (+s5ze)

247 Targeted killings no big deal to the vile left, I wonder though how they feel about the torture inflicted on those poor folks who did not die in a targeted strike but were left maimed and disfigured for life. I guess that type of torture is also ok in the vile lefts playbook.

Posted by: Mike J at February 06, 2013 07:55 PM (tcO54)

248 @226 Sorry--I thought "spanky" might have been his pet name for his--snake.

No, he prefers the handle - El Conquistador.

Posted by: FURPC at February 06, 2013 07:56 PM (0ImZM)

249 You're all on the list, haters.

Posted by: Southern Poverty Law Center at February 06, 2013 07:56 PM (MMC8r)

250
1 1/2 hours.
Are the Headline Editors on strike?

Posted by: garrett at February 06, 2013 07:56 PM (+s5ze)

251 A 16 year old minor, with no criminal history other than an obvious association with his father, was target by the Obama Administration for assassination?

That's an executive statutory raping, folks.

Posted by: Fritz at February 06, 2013 07:56 PM (WM+rJ)

252 245 Meremortal,

We probably have to cut a deal with the hispanics or the blacks if amnesty rolls through, and we may have to give up our values and adopt classical democrat patronage to fight the current communist party USA democrat party.

I need a goddamned tylenol, a hammer to hit my temple, or a drink.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 07:57 PM (LRFds)

253
The collective left haveNO principles. They have dumb, they have stupid, they have ignorant, they have hypocrisy, they have blind faith, but they do not have any principles.

Posted by: Fresh at February 06, 2013 08:00 PM (O7ksG)

254 251 okay, targeted...

Posted by: Fritz at February 06, 2013 08:00 PM (WM+rJ)

255 Jose Padillo thread up

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 06, 2013 08:01 PM (piMMO)

256
"I need a goddamned tylenol, a hammer to hit my temple, or a drink."


I've done all but the hammer in the last hour, don't tempt me...

Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at February 06, 2013 08:01 PM (1Y+hH)

257 JDP I was a JAG. The Laws of Armed Conflict (LOAC) apply. LOAC was part of the Geneva Convention in order to prevent atrocities.
Under LOAC you have combatants, and noncombatants. Combatants are lawful if they fight for a nation, under a flag, in uniform. Combatants are unlawful if they are not in uniform, hide among civilians, and do not fight under a flag or for a country. Al Qaeda, for example, is composed of unlawful combatants.
The Al Qaeda fighters the boy was traveling with were unlawful combatants, and it was and is perfectly legitimate to target them. Gahdan was an unlawful combatant, and it was perfectly legitimate to target him.
Children are always classified as noncombatants. This 16 year old was a non-combatant. He was also an American entitled to Constitutional protection. I do not think he was the target of the attack. Gibbs should have said who the target was, why he was important, and that these men cowardly surrounding themselves with their families and children like human shields. He did not say that.
This administration pretends to want to close GITMO and extend Constitutional rights to unlawful combatants who are not on American soil which is insane. More rights that they gave a 16 year old American citizen. Thats a problem. Gahdan was a fighter, the boy was a boy. Do you see that?

Posted by: thunderb at February 06, 2013 08:02 PM (Dnbau)

258 256 Meremortal,

I used to headbutt doors, lockers, cargo containers...whatever for clarity...

I figure a nice 5 pound sledgehammer might make things real clear.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 08:02 PM (LRFds)

259 Here I come, Thread.

Posted by: Drone at February 06, 2013 08:02 PM (BVkEs)

260 ARGGG there were spaces in that I swear

Posted by: thunderb at February 06, 2013 08:03 PM (Dnbau)

261 Targeted? That's that song by Intermix, ain't it?

http://youtu.be/fE2VIH9guV8

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 06, 2013 08:03 PM (bxiXv)

262 Two U.S. officials speaking on condition of anonymity stated that the
target of the October 14, 2011 airstrike was Ibrahim al-Banna, an
Egyptian believed to be a senior operative ,Another U.S. administration official described Abdulrahman al-Aulaqi as
a bystander who was "in the wrong place at the wrong time", stating
that "the U.S. government did not know that Mr. Awlaki’s son was there"
before the airstrike was ordered.


While the comedic potential of sending TFG in a yellow jumper into Yemen to smack hirabi jr across the ass to teach him not to play with Al Queda is great it does not trump the 1st rule of war which is to WIN.

Posted by: DaveA at February 06, 2013 08:09 PM (a6p6i)

263 OT. Well at least Bruce Willis is on our side reference the gun debate.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at February 06, 2013 08:15 PM (ZOf1l)

264 Sorry, the link.

http://tinyurl.com/arg55ko

Posted by: Samuel Adams at February 06, 2013 08:18 PM (ZOf1l)

265 244
Hey, since Obama hasn't blown the lid on The 9-11 Inside Job, doesn't that mean he's in on it?

Posted by: zsasz at February 06, 2013 07:53 PM (MMC8r)
Think it would be great to turn the tables for the fun of it. For all the 9-11 Truthers, since Algore sold out to Aljazeera, why not implicate and plant the seed in truther minds that it was the dems that created 9-11?
If 9-11 was planned way ahead of time, and Dem's thought for sure Algore was going to win, or sue himself into office, and now cozy praise for aljazeera, it would be fun to put doubt in those nut jobs minds and change the tables.

Posted by: Deli LLama at February 06, 2013 08:19 PM (lGu1O)

266 Bruce Willis has, AFAIK, always been on our side on that one, like Stallone has always been on the other side.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 06, 2013 08:20 PM (bxiXv)

267 Regarding drones on American soil: There will be a strike on a location which is supposedly affiliated with al Qaeda in the US, maybe a group of Pakistanis or Somalis (aka expendables) with some American citizens in the mix.

If there is no outcry, Obama will escalate. If people go nuts, he will blame it on the local police.

Posted by: Miss Marple at February 06, 2013 08:23 PM (GoIUi)

268 Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at February 06, 2013 07:54 PM (1Y+hH)

Meremortal, that is exactly what I thought. The republicans should rethink this one.

Posted by: CarolT at February 06, 2013 08:36 PM (z4WKX)

269 268 Carol T,

I don't see a downside. It'll piss off the right people on our side to exert pressure the light switch is not tripped quick. It may be taken as outreach, hell I hope he slags Obama for killing Mexicans.

The GOp needs to get hard, and we need to crack the next 99% block vote.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 08:48 PM (LRFds)

270 Why dwell the hypocrisy? It falls on deaf ears. The sides are polar opposites. It doesn't bother the left to be hypocritical because their goals are noble.

I have no problem killing American citizens on foreign soil if they are fighting the American government. Obama and I have the same perspective. We are alike in this. He is at my level. The dirty, hypocritical, evil, fascist level that I dwell at in the left's world view. Obama is right there with me.

Posted by: bestie21 at February 06, 2013 09:31 PM (ijwsR)

271
The GOp needs to get hard, and we need to crack the next 99% block vote.



Easy. Every family gets funds to send their child to ANY school they are admitted. Should have been an issue in 2012, but for some reason GOP is completely ignoring it.

Posted by: MidwesternSceptic at February 06, 2013 09:50 PM (cxl8k)

272 This is my current facebook status:

If you can't see the contradiction in your world view when you condemn one president for killing and torturing foreign combatants and don't blink when the next one has policies for killing American citizens then your crazy.

I'll accept I'm a "radical fringe" but do you? Are OK with it. If you are than you lost all face with me. You bitched about Gitmo but your OK when American born combatants are killed?

I'll be honest, I'm kinda OK with all of it as long as it's not on American soil and the target is a plausible enemy combatant. The question is are you? Because when we captured American citizens fighting in Afghanistan like John Walker Lindh then it was a "HUMAN RIGHTS ISSUE" and he was a "TROUBLED YOUTH" who "NEEDED GUIDANCE" or something.

I have no respect for any of you unless you disagree with me just like you would have done 6 years ago. Otherwise you're not hypocrites, I don't care about that term. Life is full of hypocrisy. You can never strive to be better than you are without being a hypocrite. You're just a fucking piece of shit liars looking for a talking point.

Call him out. It's what you said believe.

Posted by: bestie21 at February 07, 2013 01:50 AM (ijwsR)

273 198
Obama has decided that these people are worth more to him dead than alive.

This should scare the shit out of every citizen of this country.

Posted by: garrett


Yeah. That is the point.

Posted by: backhoe at February 07, 2013 04:33 AM (ULH4o)

274 What you don't seem to get is that not only are you correct but you highlight your own hypocrisy. Sure, libs went nuts during Bush and now don't say a damn thing but inversely, conservatives are all up in arms today but didn't make a peep during Bush.

You have met the kettle and it is black.

Posted by: Jerkface at February 07, 2013 09:15 AM (Vt4pm)

275 From National Defense University Quarterlu:

For the first time in modern U.S. history, the country was engaged in an armed conf lict with members of an organization, al Qaeda, versus a state. The legal justification to use force, which includes targeted killings, against al Qaeda, the Taliban, and associated forces is twofold: self-defense and the law of war.31

In armed conflict, the rules governing when an individual can be killed are starkly different than in peacetime. The law enforcement paradigm does not apply in armed conflict. Rather, designated terrorists may be targeted and killed because of their status as enemy belligerents. That status is determined solely by the President under the AUMF. Unlike the law enforcement paradigm, the law of war requires neither a certain conduct nor an analysis of the reasonable amount of force to engage belligerents. In armed conf lict, it is wholly permissible to inf lict "death on enemy personnel irrespective of the actual risk they present."32 Killing enemy belligerents is legal unless specifically prohibited—for example, enemy personnel out of combat like the wounded, the sick, or the shipwrecked.33 Armed conflict also negates the law enforcement presumption that lethal force against an individual is justified only when necessary. If an individual is an enemy, then "soldiers are not constrained by the law of war from applying the full range of lawful weapons."34 Now the soldier is told by the state that an enemy is hostile and he may engage that individual without any consideration of the threat currently posed. The enemy is declared hostile; the enemy is now targetable.

Anticipatory Self-defense

This paradigm shift is novel for the United States. The President’s authority to order targeted killings is clear under domestic law; it stems from the AUMF. Legal ambiguity of the U.S. authority to order targeted killings emerges, however, when it is required to interpret international legal norms like self-defense and the law of war. The United States has been a historic champion of these international norms, but now they are hampering its desires to target and kill terrorists.

Skeptics of targeted killing admit that "[t]he decision to target specific individuals with lethal force after September 11 was neither unprecedented nor surprising."35 Mary Ellen O’Connell has conceded, for example, that targeted killing against enemy combatants in Afghanistan is not an issue because "[t]he United States is currently engaged in an armed conf lict" there.36 But when the United States targets individuals outside a zone of conf lict, as it did with alAwlaki in Yemen,37 it runs into turbulence because a state of war does not exist between the United States and Yemen.38 A formidable fault line that is emerging between the Obama administration’s position and many academics, international organizations,39 and even some foreign governments40 is where these targeted killings can be conducted.41

According to the U.S. critics, if armed conf lict between the states is not present at a location, then the law of war is never triggered, and the state reverts to a peacetime paradigm. In other words, the targeted individual cannot be killed merely because of his or her status as an enemy, since there is no armed conf lict. Instead, the United States, as in peacetime, must look to the threat the individual possesses at the time of the targeting. There is a profound shift of the burden upon the state: the presumption now is that the targeted killing must be necessary. When, for example, the United States targeted and killed six al Qaeda members in Yemen in 2002, the international reaction was extremely negative: the strike constituted "a clear case of extrajudicial killing."42

The Obama administration, like its predecessor, disagrees. Its legal justification for targeted killings outside a current zone of armed conf lict is anticipatory self-defense. The administration cites the inherent and unilateral right every nation has to engage in anticipatory self-defense. This right is codified in the United Nations charter43 and is also part of the U.S. interpretation of customary international law stemming from the Caroline case in 1837. A British warship entered U.S. territory and destroyed an American steamboat, the Caroline. In response, U.S. Secretary of State Daniel Webster articulated the lasting acid test for anticipatory self-defense: "[N]ecessity of self defense [must be] instant, overwhelming, leaving no choice of means and no moment for deliberation . . . [and] the necessity of self defense, must be limited by that necessity and kept clearly within it."44


A state can act under the guise of anticipatory self-defense. This truism, however, leaves domestic policymakers to struggle with two critical quandaries: first, the factual predicate required by the state to invoke anticipatory self-defense, on the one hand; and second, the protections the state’s soldiers possess when they act under this authority, on the other. As to the first issue, there is simply no guidance from Congress to the President; the threshold for triggering anticipatory self-defense is ad hoc. As to the second issue, under the law of war, a soldier who kills an enemy has immunity for these precapture or warlike acts.45 This "combatant immunity" attaches only when the law of war has been triggered. Does combatant immunity attach when the stated legal authority is self-defense? There is no clear answer.

The administration is blurring the contours of the right of the state to act in Yemen under self-defense and the law of war protections afforded its soldiers when so acting. Therefore, what protections do U.S. Airmen enjoy when operating the drone that killed an individual in Yemen, Somalia, or Libya? If they are indicted by a Spanish court for murder, what is the defense? Under the law of war, it is combatant immunity. But if the law of war is not triggered because the killing occurred outside the zone of armed conf lict, the policy could expose Airmen to prosecution for murder.

In order to alleviate both of these quandaries, Congress must step in with legislative guidance. Congress has the constitutional obligation to fund and oversee military operations.46 The goal of congressional action must not be to thwart the President from protecting the United States from the dangers of a very hostile world. As the debates of the Church Committee demonstrated, however, the President’s unfettered authority in the realm of national security is a cause for concern. Clarification is required because the AUMF gave the President a blank check to use targeted killing under domestic law, but it never set parameters on the President’s authority when international legal norms intersect and potentially conf lict with measures stemming from domestic law.

Posted by: Thunderb at February 08, 2013 03:40 PM (Dnbau)






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