Shocker: Feminist Intellectual Obsesses Over TV Show

TV is of course the Queen of the Arts.

Her problem is that in a show that is all about cynical manipulation and borderline-sociopathic personality types who take an almost sexual pleasure in dirty dealings, the female characters are depicted as being cynical manipulators with borderline-sociopathic personality types who take an almost sexual pleasure in dirty dealings.

Why in a show entirely about the sick, mercenary aspects of human behavior are the female characters (and the female characters alone) not portrayed as moral paragons like All Women Must Be Portrayed Always?

You know. The important stuff.

Dear Hollywood, don't you know that TV doesn't exist for interesting examinations of human behavior (at best) or (at least) entertainment? Don't you know the purpose of art is to relentlessly push a very one-dimensional and trivial political slogan?

I'll take you seriously when you start taking you seriously. As I wrote about the Decadent Phase of Feminism:

Many movements or eras -- most, probably -- enter a decadent phase at some point. I don't know of a textbook definition of a decadent phase, but my off-the-cuff attempt is this:

a period marked by extremely minor variations on art or thought that has gone before, of recycling, of re-using old tropes rather than creating new ideas;

a period marked not by accumulation or creation of capital, whether monetary capital or capital of another kind, such as intellectual or influential or philosophical, but instead marked by the use/spending of previously acquired capital without replenishing same;

a period of sloth, whether sloth in intellect or sloth in industriousness, and a concomitant lowering of standards so that what little new work is done can be credited as good, important, or noble, albeit by a greatly reduced standard;

a period without vitality;

and, ultimately,

a period marked by inward-turning self-indulgence, of whimsy, of juvenalia and "childish things," and a focus on trivia.

I am not an unbiased critic of feminism, or at least "feminism" as is practiced by the the successors of the Frankfurt School on the left.

Nevertheless, I think it's difficult to argue against the point that feminism -- whatever it was in the past -- has entered a long, dreary Decadent Phase, largely focused on the past glories of a long-faded golden age, now rehashing the same three or four themes endlessly into (very slightly) different configurations.

You call it TV; they call it "texts."

I call it Liz Lemonism: The comforting soapy bath of mock-intellectual TV geekery, dwelling on ludicrously-trivial subjects that only Rich First-World White Women are blessed enough to be troubled by.

Exit Question: Was "Sliders" too cis-normative? Please discuss in the comments, drawing from your own experience and readings from this class.


Posted by: Ace at 03:28 PM



Comments

1 Damn it--should play--

guess that TV show.

Posted by: tasker at February 06, 2013 03:29 PM (r2PLg)

2 The Kardashians.

Posted by: tasker at February 06, 2013 03:31 PM (r2PLg)

3 Netflix's 'House of Cards'

Pretty good plot if you stick with it. 13 episodes available so far.

Of course, it has the 'West Wing' syndrome -- making Democrats the only Pols with brains.

Posted by: Sphynx at February 06, 2013 03:32 PM (OZmbA)

4
Feminist Intellectual Obsesses Over TV Show




"by Alyssa Rosenberg"

Well, a quick google image search and -- Dear Lord!

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 06, 2013 03:32 PM (kdS6q)

5 It shocks me that men still watch TV and go to the movies.

Posted by: Truman North, by golly at February 06, 2013 03:32 PM (I2LwF)

6 Where all them white bitchez at?

Posted by: Ray 'Killer' Lewis at February 06, 2013 03:32 PM (QM5S2)

7 Was "Sliders" too cis-normative?

________________

Damn it.

All I know of Sliders is--

yuppie burgers--usually too small and overpriced.

Posted by: tasker at February 06, 2013 03:34 PM (r2PLg)

8 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 06, 2013 03:34 PM (8y9MW)

9 Huh? Maybe I need to have seen the specific show... but what?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 06, 2013 03:35 PM (8y9MW)

10 Ace I have it on good authority I have a patriotic duty to watch Lena Dunham and girls sir!

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 03:35 PM (LRFds)

11 I'd watch it just for Kate Mara. That girl's finer than a frog hair split four ways. In her first scene in the movie Shooter, you could see right through her robe.

Got some use out of that one.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 06, 2013 03:35 PM (BushJ)

12 Google shows me she looks exactly as I suspected.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 06, 2013 03:35 PM (UOM48)

13 oh yes but how we loved 24 and his brutality

Posted by: occam at February 06, 2013 03:36 PM (4+lE0)

14
SLIDERS would've been better if every other alternate timeline didn't have Nazis occupying the USA.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 06, 2013 03:36 PM (9Q7Nu)

15
Honestly, I think for a lot of people they can't quite accept that tv shows are not meant to be taken seriously.
I tried telling someone recently that in order to not be so offended by "Justified," you have to sort of watch it like it's a Road Runner cartoon.

Some people aren't capable of suspending disbelief.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 06, 2013 03:37 PM (TOk1P)

16 >>>Ace I have it on good authority I have a patriotic duty to watch Lena Dunham and girls sir!

I've been meaning to rebut that -- I love Kurt Schlichter like a brother, or, more accurately, a stranger, and I get his basic idea, but the idea that we should watch TV we don't like *just to advance our political messaging* is kookie-poo.

Posted by: ace at February 06, 2013 03:37 PM (LCRYB)

17 Are we talking about Frankurt-am-Main or Frankurt-am-Oder?

Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at February 06, 2013 03:37 PM (8ZskC)

18 "Climate change policy is about how we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth." - IPCC official Ottmar Edenhofer

Posted by: James Hansen at February 06, 2013 03:37 PM (e8kgV)

19 >>>hat girl's finer than a frog hair split four ways. In her first scene in the movie Shooter, you could see right through her robe.

she's got ninjaboobies

Posted by: ace at February 06, 2013 03:38 PM (LCRYB)

20 Dear Lord, she's tedious.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 06, 2013 03:38 PM (UOM48)

21 What? Is she trying to argue that all female reporters aren't mean sluts?

Good luck with that.

Posted by: jwest at February 06, 2013 03:38 PM (ZDsRL)

22 "a period marked by inward-turning self-indulgence, of whimsy, of juvenalia and "childish things," and a focus on trivia."

The self-awareness is not strong in this one...

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at February 06, 2013 03:38 PM (Y5I9o)

23 I don't know of a textbook definition of a decadent phase, but my off-the-cuff attempt is this:

That's her idea of an off-the-cuff definition? Four, close to five paragraphs? Holy shit, I'd hate to hear her idea of small talk.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 06, 2013 03:38 PM (4df7R)

24 OT: Skeet --

In order to tie together several themes from the threads here, I present this link (on nic) to Urban Dictionary. If posted before, well, then skip it.

Posted by: RioBravo at February 06, 2013 03:38 PM (eEfYn)

25 I think Kurt Schlichter might be a genius but on that--he needs bitch slapped.

Actually I've been told he's sort of super smart by someone that worked on a case with him--but lawyer--so you know.

Posted by: tasker at February 06, 2013 03:39 PM (r2PLg)

26 I'd watch it just for Kate Mara. That girl's finer than a frog hair
split four ways. In her first scene in the movie Shooter, you could see
right through her robe.


Seconded on Kate Mara, but was she in Sliders? I think you mean Sabrina Lloyd.

Posted by: EC at February 06, 2013 03:39 PM (GQ8sn)

27 a period marked not by accumulation or creation of capital, whether monetary capital or capital of another kind, such as intellectual or influential or philosophical, but instead marked by the use/spending of previously acquired capital without replenishing same

Considering the Gramscian march has laid waste much of what was Western Civ, there could be no greater contradiction dishonestly proclaimed.

Right, you a unhappy with the destruction of intellectual capital and you are a Marxist.

Um, how about 'no'? How about 'I think not'?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 06, 2013 03:39 PM (NTBjC)

28 Pretty good plot if you stick with it. 13 episodes available so far.

Spacey's not bad, but the original British series this new one is a copy of is better.

Posted by: OregonMuse at February 06, 2013 03:39 PM (9GaPd)

29
7 -

Back in my day we used to call them White Castles. And then when White Castle started calling the sliders, I realized the world had passed me by.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 06, 2013 03:39 PM (TOk1P)

30 oh wait, that was YOU, not HER. fuck.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at February 06, 2013 03:39 PM (Y5I9o)

31 Uh, the quoted bit is Ace.

Posted by: Waterhouse at February 06, 2013 03:40 PM (xGlYu)

32 Feminist intellectual? Is that an Oxymoron joke?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 06, 2013 03:40 PM (l86i3)

33 but the idea that we should watch TV we don't like *just to advance our political messaging* is kookie-poo.


It's that kind of thinking that leads to so much Christian art (music and fiction, mostly) to being such drek. There are a certain kind of Christian who think they're "supposed" to listen to the Christian radio station, or read the Christian Fiction- and they do so with such zeal they never stop to think "Is this good? Is it even merely entertaining?"

No. I have no duty to read/listen/watch something JUST because it's Christian, or Conservative, or anything else. It has to amuse me.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 06, 2013 03:40 PM (8y9MW)

34 >>>Dear Lord, she's tedious.

You READ it?! Hah, FAIL.

I just looked at the headline and first paragraph.

I hate to say this because this really sounds unfair but I don't need to read the 6000th exemplar of the same basic article. Girlz rule boyz drool, negative female stereotypes, empowered by sexuality, patriarchy, blahbettyblahbettyblibbetyboo.

Posted by: ace at February 06, 2013 03:40 PM (LCRYB)

35 Decadence might make the burning a little easier to take. Hmm...

Yep, LiB!

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at February 06, 2013 03:41 PM (zpqa2)

36 Ace, I love and respect the mighty ewok, but gaaaaaah, "cis-normative"?
"Cisgender" is a word I'm so tired of being probed with, in the constant leveraged movement of our living language. I do NOT look forward to the day when TRANS/CIS is added to forms near the current M/F.

Posted by: barbarausa at February 06, 2013 03:41 PM (WWeoI)

37 Uh oh link fail by me... people are critiquing me...

the horror, the horror.

Posted by: ace at February 06, 2013 03:41 PM (LCRYB)

38 I hate to say this because this really sounds unfair but I don't need to read the 6000th exemplar of the same basic article. Girlz rule boyz drool, negative female stereotypes, empowered by sexuality, patriarchy, blahbettyblahbettyblibbetyboo.
Posted by: ace at February 06, 2013 03:40 PM (LCRYB)

Yep, I can watch sitcoms to get that shit.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 06, 2013 03:42 PM (l86i3)

39
I didn't see the phrase "vagenda" in there, so

Not. A. Serious. Feminist.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at February 06, 2013 03:42 PM (Jcd0S)

40
Girlz rule boyz drool, negative female stereotypes, empowered by sexuality, patriarchy, blahbettyblahbettyblibbetyboo.

This is the undergrad essay template.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 06, 2013 03:42 PM (9Q7Nu)

41 Netflix's 'House of Cards'

Pretty good plot if you stick with it. 13 episodes available so far.

Of course, it has the 'West Wing' syndrome -- making Democrats the only Pols with brains.


Yeah, it was surprisingly good. Plus- occasional boobies.

Given that nearly every character on the show is a manipulative, cynical, self-serving, lying bastard I'm not sure I'd want it to revolve around Republican politics.

I was impressed with the relative lack of moralizing and liberal propaganda. They only made passing reference to the GOP.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 06, 2013 03:42 PM (SY2Kh)

42 Some people aren't capable of suspending disbelief.


That's ok. The left isn't capable of coming back from make-believe.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 06, 2013 03:42 PM (GFM2b)

43 Are we talking about Frankurt-am-Main or Frankurt-am-Oder?

***

I think it's Frankfurt-in-Your-Business.

Posted by: Obama Dad at February 06, 2013 03:42 PM (Hx5uv)

44 Sigh. If our modern feminists don't have something to be outrageously outraged about then by God they'll invent something!

Posted by: joncelli at February 06, 2013 03:42 PM (RD7QR)

45 wtf does this have to do with Duck Dynasty? nothing.

Posted by: No Feet Johnson at February 06, 2013 03:42 PM (KHo8t)

46 I thought feminism's latest cause de jour is to reclaim the word "slut" and champion slutty behavior as "empowering". Therefore a show about sluts behaving like sluts to advance their careers should be the very height of feminism today, no?

Posted by: thunderb at February 06, 2013 03:43 PM (Dnbau)

47 I can sum up all females in three words: crazy and evil

Just the way it should be

Posted by: Navycopjoe at February 06, 2013 03:43 PM (CPoFy)

48 What is this "television" thing of which you speak?

Seriously, I turned my TV off about ten years ago. Haven't missed it, either.


Posted by: looking closely at February 06, 2013 03:43 PM (6Q9g2)

49 You READ it?! Hah, FAIL.



I just looked at the headline and first paragraph.




I'm going to remember this the next time you post a movie review.

Posted by: EC at February 06, 2013 03:43 PM (GQ8sn)

50 29
7 -

Back in my day we used to call them White Castles. And then when White Castle started calling the sliders, I realized the world had passed me by.
Posted by: BurtTC at February 06, 2013 03:39 PM (TOk1P)

______________

LOL1

Could be a Southern thang.

Do you know

Po' Folks?

Posted by: tasker at February 06, 2013 03:43 PM (r2PLg)

51 Google shows me she looks exactly as I suspected.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 06, 2013 03:35 PM (UOM4



She looks like an uglier more butch version of Velma from Scooby Doo

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 06, 2013 03:43 PM (1Jaio)

52 Sliders is not cis-normative.

It has Rosie O'Donnell dressed as John Rhys-Davies...

Posted by: The Political Hat at February 06, 2013 03:43 PM (Vk2pI)

53 She has to be indulging in self-parody, right? Arguing that its asinine to argue about how many Angela can dance on the head of a pin by arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

Right?

Posted by: Truman North, by golly at February 06, 2013 03:44 PM (I2LwF)

54 Posted by: thunderb at February 06, 2013 03:43 PM (Dnbau)

Yeah, they can fuck who they want when they want. Just pay for the birth control and abortions.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 06, 2013 03:44 PM (l86i3)

55 Seriously, I turned my TV off about ten years ago. Haven't missed it, either.

Fine you're more awesome than us. I happen to like Castle and CSI:NY, among other shows.

(Seriously, I'm getting tired of that type of comment)

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 06, 2013 03:44 PM (8y9MW)

56 Posted by: ace at February 06, 2013 03:40 PM (LCRYB)

Just because you know what it says doesn't mean that you shouldn't respond.

Never let their bullshit go unanswered.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 06, 2013 03:45 PM (GsoHv)

57 Dammit, Ace.

This >>49
You READ it?! Hah, FAIL.





I just looked at the headline and first paragraph.



I'm going to remember this the next time you post a movie review.




Thanks, EC!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 06, 2013 03:45 PM (UOM48)

58 Some people aren't capable of suspending disbelief.

***

The low information voters are masters at it.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 06, 2013 03:45 PM (Hx5uv)

59 Are we talking about Frankurt-am-Main or Frankurt-am-Oder?

Maybe Frankfort-am-Kentucky.

Posted by: Waterhouse at February 06, 2013 03:45 PM (xGlYu)

60 OT: Marco Rubio will deliver GOP response to Obama's SOTU

http://bit.ly/WRhmeh

Posted by: The Political Hat at February 06, 2013 03:45 PM (Vk2pI)

61 >>Given that nearly every character on the show is a manipulative,
cynical, self-serving, lying bastard I'm not sure I'd want it to revolve
around Republican politics.


I thought that was just the standard definition of politician:

"manipulative,
cynical, self-serving, lying bastard"

Posted by: Sphynx at February 06, 2013 03:45 PM (OZmbA)

62
50 -

No, I seem to recall something that was supposed to be the southern version of White Castle, but I don't think that was it.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 06, 2013 03:45 PM (TOk1P)

63 >>>he has to be indulging in self-parody, right? Arguing that its asinine to argue about how many Angela can dance on the head of a pin by arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

that was me....

I quoted myself to discuss the Decadent Phase of Feminism, this relentless TV analysis.

"Reading the texts" of sitcoms as if they're engaging in intellectual criticism.

Posted by: ace at February 06, 2013 03:45 PM (LCRYB)

64 You know what irritates me most about that column? Not just that it's yet ANOTHER boring blabfest by a dull woman who sees everything in life through the prism of her gender (because been there, done that, bought the babydoll t-shirt), but because it's under a section at (amateur webzine) Slate called "XXFactor: What Women Really Think."

This is why I don't like being called a woman. I don't think like this mealy-mouthed twit or any of her ilk. I'm a Moronette, dammit, and don't you forget it!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 06, 2013 03:45 PM (4df7R)

65 Fine you're more awesome than us. I happen to like Castle and CSI:NY, among other shows.

(Seriously, I'm getting tired of that type of comment)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 06, 2013 03:44 PM (8y9MW)


Yeah, me too. I like NCIS and Castle.NASCAR, yep, NASCAR.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 06, 2013 03:46 PM (l86i3)

66 AllenG - we should just tax TV 10%. Actually, the tax would have to be quite a bit higher to get me to stop watching.

Posted by: SH at February 06, 2013 03:46 PM (gmeXX)

67 newsflash - women who are complaining about pretty women having sex are almost always ugly women.

Posted by: thunderb at February 06, 2013 03:47 PM (Dnbau)

68 Therefore a show about sluts behaving like sluts to advance their careers should be the very height of feminism today, no?

The Kardashians & Jersey Shore don't qualify?

Posted by: rickb223 at February 06, 2013 03:47 PM (6B1u5)

69
OT: Marco Rubio will deliver GOP response to Obama's SOTU

I believe that in the field of law it is called a concurrence.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 06, 2013 03:47 PM (9Q7Nu)

70 :::49 You READ it?! Hah, FAIL.



I just looked at the headline and first paragraph.



I'm going to remember this the next time you post a movie review.
Posted by: EC at February 06, 2013 03:43 PM (GQ8sn):::

Shit just got real.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 06, 2013 03:47 PM (BushJ)

71 I like to watch.

Posted by: Chauncey Gardner at February 06, 2013 03:47 PM (zpqa2)

72 Eh nvm

Posted by: Truman North, by golly at February 06, 2013 03:47 PM (I2LwF)

73 newsflash - women who are complaining about pretty women having sex are almost always ugly women.
Posted by: thunderb at February 06, 2013 03:47 PM (Dnbau)


They could have sex too. Just not with pretty men.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 06, 2013 03:47 PM (l86i3)

74 "But there is no one to whom the show is nastier, and for no discernable reason, than female political reporters—in House of Cards they are promiscuous, catfight-prone, and entirely unethical."





And?

Posted by: Tami at February 06, 2013 03:47 PM (X6akg)

75 The First Rule of Feminist Club is Always talk about Feminist Club.

Posted by: Tydey Derpden at February 06, 2013 03:47 PM (NTBjC)

76 62 I believe that was krystals

Posted by: Navycopjoe at February 06, 2013 03:48 PM (CPoFy)

77 Ugly feminists are angry because they're not getting laid.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 06, 2013 03:48 PM (UOM48)

78 No, I seem to recall something that was supposed to be the southern version of White Castle, but I don't think that was it.
--
mountain oysters on a bun?

Posted by: RioBravo at February 06, 2013 03:48 PM (eEfYn)

79 I had to Google image search "Liz Lemon" since I rarely, OK...never, watch network TV. Oddly enough, all the hits were some chick who looks like Sarah Palin with a facial scar.

Posted by: BillyTheLudditeKid at February 06, 2013 03:48 PM (7ObY1)

80 I'm becoming cis/trans-whogivesashit.

Posted by: Soona at February 06, 2013 03:48 PM (bu1Rs)

81 I can sum up all females in three words: crazy and evil


***

A friend of mine once proffered this advice: Never try to understand women. Women understand women and they hate them.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 06, 2013 03:48 PM (Hx5uv)

82 Sliders at the baseball game are always tasty! I rather enjoy them myself.

Posted by: Killerdog at February 06, 2013 03:48 PM (R672q)

83 Imagine if small business owners sat down with ordinary people like you and me and ironed out some real solutions to our capital gains crisis.

With the election season over, maybe you’ve forgotten about capital gains, but I certainly haven’t. It would be easy to forget that the problem even exists, when our headlines are constantly splashed with the violence in Iran, the authoritarian crackdown in Swaziland and the still-unstable democratic transition in Bhutan. But the capital gains problem is growing, and politicians are more divided than ever. Democrats seem to think that capital gains can just be ignored. Republican politicians like Marco Rubio, on the other hand, seem to think that nonsensical rhetoric will substitute for a compromise.

But the Republican party of Marco Rubio is not the Republican party of Teddy Roosevelt. Roosevelt wouldn’t refuse to budge, he'd reach across the aisle because he'd understand that the fate of the country, and his own political career, depended on a lasting solution to the problem of capital gains.

It's good to see the talks between the president and congress getting off to a solid start, but we know there will be plenty of partisan fireworks before any deal is cut. If I had fifteen minutes to pitch my idea to politicians, I'd tell them two things about capital gains. First, there's no way around the issue unless we're prepared to spend less: and not just spend less, but spend smarter by investing in the kind of national infrastructure that makes countries succeed. That's going to require some tax cuts as well, but as they say, "Ain't nothing to it but to do it."

Second, I'd tell them to look at Norway, which all but solved its capital gains crisis over the past decade. When I visited Norway in 2004, Mbantu, the cabbie who drove me from the airport, couldn't stop telling me about how he had to take a third job because of the high cost of capital gains. I caught up with Mbantu in Oslo last year. Thanks to Norway's reformed approach toward capital gains, Mbantu has enough money in his pocket to finally be able to afford a television set for his kids.

That's all it takes. Don't expect to see any solutions as long as politicians insist on playing a high-stakes game of chess with one another. America has to become a first world country again.

Posted by: Tom Friedman at February 06, 2013 03:49 PM (I2LwF)

84 75 is the thread winner

Posted by: thunderb at February 06, 2013 03:49 PM (Dnbau)

85 bought the babydoll t-shirt

Pics or it didn't happen.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 06, 2013 03:49 PM (8y9MW)

86 78
No, I seem to recall something that was supposed to be the southern version of White Castle, but I don't think that was it.




Krystal burgers. They're like crack on a bun.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 06, 2013 03:49 PM (UOM48)

87
55 -

I finished the previous season of Castle recently (with those to going at it with the smoochies), but honestly if it wasn't for the fact that she's insanely hot, and Fillion gets a permanent pass, I wouldn't watch it. The stories and character arcs are tired old tv show cliches.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 06, 2013 03:49 PM (TOk1P)

88 So I guess that Saudi Imam raping murdering his 5 yr old daughter is not such a big deal for this feminist - she's got her eye on much more important womyns things like...TV shows?

Posted by: Lizzy at February 06, 2013 03:49 PM (amaU1)

89
cis-normative?

I don't know what that is, so probably yes. or no.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 06, 2013 03:49 PM (p/cQy)

90 76 62 I believe that was krystals
Posted by: Navycopjoe at February 06, 2013 03:48 PM (CPoFy)

____________


Ah--Krystal's that's it.

Posted by: tasker at February 06, 2013 03:49 PM (r2PLg)

91 You have a point but they're not stupid. On the surface this seems trivial - only because the substance of the complaints are trivial - but the effect is pretty serious in that the television people take these critiques seriously and amend/shape their content to suit. This is sort of the fine tuning enforcement mechanism of Political Correctness, and after decades of this you have all of the content that makes us stand up and howl at the television for its political/social bias. It is one very small part, but in the aggregate stuff like this has a huge impact on shifting culture. If you watch television for hours a day, particularly from childhood, the effect will be to limit the imagination of things which can be thought and said, making the general assumption and frame Left wing by default.


Posted by: Alec Leamas at February 06, 2013 03:49 PM (mg08E)

92 "But there is no one to whom the show is nastier, and for no discernable
reason, than female political reporters—in House of Cards they are
promiscuous, catfight-prone, and entirely unethical."


***

So too much Andrea Mitchell?

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 06, 2013 03:49 PM (Hx5uv)

93 16 Ace,

It also denies the only method we have to exert any influence on content.

Part of the reason I am apathetic about pop culture is my wonderful batting average on picking "winners." I liked "Hell on Wheels" a bunch so of course *bam* two years even though ratings justified a renewal production hell nailed it. The only series I thoroughly enjoy that have lived are "breaking Bad", "Justified", and the two Sherlock Holmes series.

If at some point the die is cast and we do decide to have a counter culture I want good drama that is not preaching moonbattery to make a comeback.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 03:50 PM (LRFds)

94 No, I seem to recall something that was supposed to be the southern version of White Castle, but I don't think that was it.

Crystals?

Posted by: rickb223 at February 06, 2013 03:50 PM (GFM2b)

95 isn't southern White Castle called Crystal's?

Posted by: thunderb at February 06, 2013 03:50 PM (Dnbau)

96
Girlz rule boyz drool, negative female stereotypes, empowered by sexuality, patriarchy, blahbettyblahbettyblibbetyboo.




I don't think I like your attitude, young man.

Posted by: Helen Thomas at February 06, 2013 03:50 PM (RFeQD)

97 Krystal burgers. They're like crack on a bun.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 06, 2013 03:49 PM (UOM4

____________

Krystals probably edges out the White Castle.

Posted by: tasker at February 06, 2013 03:51 PM (r2PLg)

98
86 -

Yes! That was it... can't say I ever tried one though... but then I've never had crack, on or off a bun, so I'll have to take your word for it

Posted by: BurtTC at February 06, 2013 03:51 PM (TOk1P)

99 95
isn't southern White Castle called Crystal's?



Krystals

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 06, 2013 03:51 PM (UOM48)

100 Actually I've been told he's sort of super smart by someone that worked on a case with him--but lawyer--so you know.

Posted by: tasker at February 06, 2013 03:39 PM (r2PLg)
He's super smart in thinking Franco wasn't that bad of a dude

Posted by: The Dude at February 06, 2013 03:51 PM (vJdyz)

101 Well the reporter died in the original BBC version, Ian Richardson made for a much more subtle and ruthless villain, as Francis Urquhart

Posted by: archie goodwin at February 06, 2013 03:51 PM (Jsiw/)

102
Who watches TV?

Oh, and I paid $3.59 for gas here today. $3.59!!!

Posted by: that guy and that other tedious guy at February 06, 2013 03:51 PM (r5w1L)

103 What is cis? Seriously. I'm not going to the Urbane Dictionary.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 06, 2013 03:51 PM (+z4pE)

104 Now I'm hungry.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 06, 2013 03:52 PM (UOM48)

105 I watched part of one episode of Girls. I think she is spot on.

Posted by: egd at February 06, 2013 03:52 PM (XVGEg)

106 I'm really supposed to believe Tom Friedman

A) Has ever had a meaningful conversation with a cab driver;
B) Remembers that cab driver's name; and
C) Actually SOUGHT OUT the cab driver years later to ask him about the very issue they discussed almost ten years earlier?

Right.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 06, 2013 03:52 PM (4df7R)

107 There was a time when Chicago had both Krystal's and white castles
And sports teams with winning seasons

Oh well......

At least it's nice here in hawaii

Posted by: Navycopjoe at February 06, 2013 03:52 PM (CPoFy)

108 the original show was awesome

Posted by: thunderb at February 06, 2013 03:52 PM (Dnbau)

109


Dear Alyssa Rosenberg:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK1PCf9ZCzA

Bif Naked, you need more of this.

Sincerely,

I Love Myself Today

Posted by: beach at February 06, 2013 03:52 PM (LpQbZ)

110 My thoughts on feminism and its intelligentsia (or Retardistas, as I like to think of them):

I have watched the lies of feminism triumph over the natural interests
and inclinations of women since my teens. Feminism lies to women, helps
the Left oppress them just as efficiently and savagely as Sharia law, and yet
otherwise intelligent and savvy women will parrot back those lies and
use them to make voting decisions. I am absolutely not advocating that
women lose the vote, but, once propaganda becomes accepted fact, it is
very hard to overcome because any opposing proof proffered to the
brainwashed is viewed with suspicion and disbelief.

This same brainwashing is now going on with illegal immigrants to co-opt them permanently for the Left.


Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at February 06, 2013 03:53 PM (kXoT0)

111 honestly if it wasn't for the fact that she's insanely hot, and Fillion gets a permanent pass, I wouldn't watch it.

Well- she is insanely hot, and Fillion does get a (near) permanent pass. So I'm okay with that.

Actually, I was pleasantly surprised by last week's (I think it was last week's) where they looked at the anti-smut guy, and he a) didn't back down or apologize and b) wasn't the bad guy.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 06, 2013 03:53 PM (8y9MW)

112 They could have sex too.

No they couldn't. Trust me on this.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 06, 2013 03:53 PM (ZKzrr)

113 Okay, what the hell is cis-normative and should I mock it relentlessly?

Posted by: joncelli at February 06, 2013 03:53 PM (RD7QR)

114 Fine you're more awesome than us. I happen to like Castle and CSI:NY, among other shows.

(Seriously, I'm getting tired of that type of comment)

***

Despite its faults, I would miss FNC and there's no way I'm giving up South Park or Adult Swim.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 06, 2013 03:53 PM (piMMO)

115

I guess I've been bad; I haven't seen Sliders.

Posted by: beach at February 06, 2013 03:53 PM (LpQbZ)

116 So I guess that Saudi Imam raping murdering his 5 yr old daughter is not such a big deal for this feminist - she's got her eye on much more important womyns things like...TV shows?
Posted by: Lizzy at February 06, 2013 03:49 PM (amaU1)


Or how about the 8 year old in Mexico who just gave birth?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 06, 2013 03:53 PM (4df7R)

117 33 AllenG,

Yes but Kurt's posit was even less sensible he was acting as though we have a duty to peruse the pap in order to fit in at the water cooler. Perhaps Kurt can give us a cliff notes talking point recap because life is simply too short to waste on lena Dunham's vanity piece. I have a hard enough time rewarding Hollywood for the few non horseshit pieces it produces I refuse to reward them for their leavings.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 03:53 PM (LRFds)

118 What is cis? Seriously. I'm not going to the Urbane Dictionary.


***

As I understand it, a cisgendered person is one who thinks he or she is the gender that they actually are and act accordingly. Boy, those people are crazy.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 06, 2013 03:53 PM (Hx5uv)

119 100 Actually I've been told he's sort of super smart by someone that worked on a case with him--but lawyer--so you know.

Posted by: tasker at February 06, 2013 03:39 PM (r2PLg)
He's super smart in thinking Franco wasn't that bad of a dude
Posted by: The Dude at February 06, 2013 03:51 PM (vJdyz)

_______________

No supposedly he has steel trap recall--which probably makes --good lawyer and bad cultural phenomena expert.

Posted by: tasker at February 06, 2013 03:53 PM (r2PLg)

120
I'm desperate for new (old) tv serials to watch.

So desperate that I might watch Bones from the beginning.

And maybe First Wave, if you remember that one.

Posted by: soothsayer at February 06, 2013 03:54 PM (9Q7Nu)

121 :::A friend of mine once proffered this advice: Never try to understand women. Women understand women and they hate them.:::

I guarantee if you threaten to put your dick on her cheek while she's sleeping, she'll tighten up her shot group quick, fast and in a hurry.

I've always found this curious: why the fear of getting mushroomed on the *outside* of her cheek while she's unconscious when it's been *inside* her cheek voluntarily after five or six GHB-tinis?

Strange. More study needed.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff, Night Cocksman at February 06, 2013 03:54 PM (BushJ)

122
Posted by: Navycopjoe at February 06, 2013 03:52 PM (CPoFy)

buck up buckaroo, there is always next year

Posted by: The Dude at February 06, 2013 03:54 PM (vJdyz)

123 Oh, and I paid $3.59 for gas here today. $3.59!!!

Posted by: that guy and that other tedious guy at February 06, 2013 03:51 PM (r5w1L)
I paid $3.49 for real gas--no ethanol--at lunch here in Tulsa.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at February 06, 2013 03:54 PM (kXoT0)

124
Kevin Spacy is in it. I won't be watching.

I am tired of the "only democrats are smart" genre of propaganda. I don't' care how clever.

Posted by: Fresh at February 06, 2013 03:54 PM (O7ksG)

125 Now I'm hungry.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 06, 2013 03:52 PM (UOM4

Me Too, even though an ole lady shit all over herself in front of me at the gracery store, I was able to buy a Smithfield spiral sliced ham for .99 a pound. $30 ham for $10. Rock and Roll Rons. Mrs. sailor will be making her apricot glaze.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 06, 2013 03:54 PM (l86i3)

126 An interesting thought occurred to me today—what if grassroots activists sat down with ordinary people like you and me and ironed out some real solutions to our higher education crisis?

With the election season over, maybe you’ve forgotten about higher education, but I certainly haven’t. It would be easy to forget that the problem even exists, when our headlines are constantly splashed with the violence in Maldives, the authoritarian crackdown in Senegal and the still-unstable democratic transition in Palestine. But the higher education problem is growing, and politicians are more divided than ever. Republicans seem to think that higher education can just be ignored. Democratic politicians like Harry Reid, on the other hand, seem to think that unscientific rhetoric will substitute for a compromise.

But the Democratic party of Harry Reid is not the Democratic party of Franklin Roosevelt. FDR wouldn’t stare down the opposition, he'd compromise because he'd understand that the fate of the country, and his own political career, depended on a lasting solution to the problem of higher education.

The first rule of holes is that when you're in one, stop digging. When you're in three, bring a lot of shovels. If I had fifteen minutes to pitch my idea to politicians, I'd tell them two things about higher education. First, there's no way around the issue unless we're prepared to spend more: and not just spend more, but spend smarter by investing in the kind of human capital that makes countries succeed. That's going to require some tax increases as well, but as they say, "Mo' money mo' problems."

Second, I'd tell them to look at Singapore, which all but solved its higher education crisis over the past decade. When I visited Singapore in 2002, Tintin, the cabbie who drove me from the airport, couldn't stop telling me about how he had to take a second job because of the high cost of higher education. I caught up with Tintin in Singapore last year. Thanks to Singapore's reformed approach toward higher education, Tintin has enough money in his pocket to finally be able to afford an apartment for his kids.

That's all it takes. Don't expect to see any solutions as long as industry captains insist on playing a high-stakes game of ping pong with one another. America's got to call a time-out.

Posted by: Tom Friedman at February 06, 2013 03:55 PM (I2LwF)

127 Thanks to Norway's reformed approach toward capital gains, Mbantu has enough money in his pocket to finally be able to afford a television set for his kids.

---

I love this line. Doesn't everyone in America have at least one TV, with cable, and an XBox?

Why would I ever look to Norway for answers.

Posted by: SH at February 06, 2013 03:55 PM (gmeXX)

128

My first thoughts (other than that Bif Naked video) was, lo and behold!, who falsely projects false narratives and imagery?

One guess.

Slurp it up with a spoon.

Posted by: beach at February 06, 2013 03:55 PM (LpQbZ)

129 I guess I've been bad; I haven't seen Sliders.

Posted by: beach at February 06, 2013 03:53 PM (LpQbZ)

first few seasons are good but then falls apart at the end of the third season

Posted by: The Dude at February 06, 2013 03:55 PM (vJdyz)

130 55 Allen G,

I don't invoke some faux superiority I refuse to reward a Hollywood that hates me for subpar work when I can go back and watch older works that were less preachy and make the point in their very popularity that something is wrong in tinseltown.

Rewatching "Crime Story" from an adult perspective vis a vis a 14 year old one was a joy.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 03:55 PM (LRFds)

131 Exit Question: Was "Sliders" too cis-normative?



Slider was definitely cis-normative. Maverick and Goose too.

IceMan - the Val Kilmer character - not so much.

Posted by: crisis du jour at February 06, 2013 03:56 PM (DFGPG)

132


*tosses in my Slider card

I want another card, please?

Posted by: beach at February 06, 2013 03:56 PM (LpQbZ)

133 Yes but Kurt's posit was even less sensible he was acting as though we
have a duty to peruse the pap in order to fit in at the water cooler.


Oh. Yeah, that's even worse.

"Here, seek out the drek so you can fit in!"

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 06, 2013 03:56 PM (8y9MW)

134
Me Too, even though an ole lady shit all over
herself in front of me at the gracery store, I was able to buy a
Smithfield spiral sliced ham for .99 a pound. $30 ham for $10. Rock and
Roll Rons. Mrs. sailor will be making her apricot glaze.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 06, 2013 03:54 PM (l86i3


Sweet jeebus, where were you?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 06, 2013 03:56 PM (UOM48)

135
As I understand it, a cisgendered person is one who thinks he or she is the gender that they actually are and act accordingly. Boy, those people are crazy.

Would that be "normal" perchance? I climbed trees as a yoot, played "war," shot BB guns and stuff like that there.

Still, that sounds weird.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 06, 2013 03:56 PM (+z4pE)

136 Girls is teh awesome cause the girls are awful to each other, and wildly unattractive self absorbed tattooed female slob is constantly naked and getting laid. Thisshow is bad because the women are awful to each other and are constantly getting naked and getting laid. See the difference?

Posted by: thunderb at February 06, 2013 03:56 PM (Dnbau)

137 Doesn't everyone in America have at least one TV, with cable, and an XBox?


Who can afford cable?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 06, 2013 03:56 PM (ZKzrr)

138 blahbettyblahbettyblibbetyboo!

I gotta try and remember how to spell that cause I doubt my spellchecker has a clue!

Posted by: Killerdog at February 06, 2013 03:57 PM (R672q)

139
The obvious answer to these intellectual feminist problems is to whip out your junk and, in a commanding tone, exclaim "Bitch, Go make me a sammich."

This technique can be used by both males and females who are weary of feminism.

Posted by: Jaws at February 06, 2013 03:57 PM (4I3Uo)

140 I've always found this curious: why the fear of getting mushroomed on
the *outside* of her cheek while she's unconscious when it's been
*inside* her cheek voluntarily after five or six GHB-tinis?



Because then everyone will know! You can't conceal the "ace of spades" when it's been administered full force and peak volume.

Posted by: EC at February 06, 2013 03:57 PM (GQ8sn)

141 I liked the episode when they slid into a world where their show was called 'White Castles' and there was a movie call 'Kumar and Harold go to Sliders'. And the Harold went to work for the Bush administration!
Man, that had me freaked out!

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at February 06, 2013 03:57 PM (SO2Q8)

142 cis-normative?

I don't know what that is, so probably yes. or no.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 06, 2013 03:49 PM (p/cQy)


It means men who act like men or women who act like women, and that that is normal.

To use the left's parlance, "cis-gendered" means someone whose gender and biological sex are the same. Basically it is the opposite of "transgendered."

The "normative" part comes in when men being men or women being women is considered "normal." To the left, that normalcy is inherently oppressive and a "cis-normative" society is evil and must be destroyed and then replaced with a non-hierarchical utopia

Posted by: The Political Hat at February 06, 2013 03:57 PM (Vk2pI)

143 Posted by: Tom Friedman at February 06, 2013 03:55 PM (I2LwF)

Tom, aint readin your shit. Too FKN long. If I wanted to read a book, I would buy one. Concise my friend, concise.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 06, 2013 03:57 PM (l86i3)

144 112 They could have sex too.

No they couldn't. Trust me on this.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 06, 2013 03:53 PM (ZKzrr)



Lower your standards. It's worked for men since the dawn of time.

Posted by: Tom Friedman at February 06, 2013 03:58 PM (I2LwF)

145 Rubio thread up

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 06, 2013 03:58 PM (piMMO)

146

I didn't see the phrase "vagenda" in there, so
Posted by: Krebs v Carnot:



How about Ute-topia?

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 06, 2013 03:58 PM (kdS6q)

147 Last week's events in Ecuador were truly historic, although we may not know for years or even decades what their final meaning is. What's important, however, is that we focus on what this means to the citizens themselves. The media seems too caught up in worrying about their own skins to pay attention to the important effects on daily life. Just call it missing the fields for the wheat.

When thinking about the ongoing turmoil, it's important to remember three things: One, people don't behave like migratory birds, so attempts to treat them as such are going to come across as foreign. Migratory birds never suddenly set up a black market for Western DVDs. Two, Ecuador has spent decades torn by civil war and ethnic hatred, so a mindset of peace and stability will seem foreign and strange. And three, capitalism is an extraordinarily powerful idea: If corruption is Ecuador's ironing board, then capitalism is certainly its faucet.

When I was in Ecuador last June, I was amazed by the people's basic desire for a stable life, and that tells me two things. It tells me that the citizens of Ecuador have no shortage of courage, and that is a good beginning to grow from. Second, it tells me that people in Ecuador are just like people anywhere else on this flat earth of ours.

So what should we do about the chaos in Ecuador? Well, it's easier to start with what we should not do. We should not lob a handful of cruise missiles and hope that some explosions will snap Ecuador's leaders to attention. Beyond that, we need to be careful to nurture the seeds of democratic ideals. The opportunity is there, but I worry that the path to stability is so narrow that Ecuador will have to move down it very slowly. And of course Quito needs to cooperate.

Speaking with a up-and-coming violinist from the small Catholic community here, I asked him if there was any message that he wanted me to carry back home with me. He pondered for a second, and then smiled and said, nama es tubo, which is a local saying that means roughly, "He who wants to do good, knocks at the gate, he who loves finds the gates open."

I don't know what Ecuador will be like a few years from now, but I do know that it will probably look very different from the country we see now, even if it remains true to its basic cultural heritage. I know this because, through all the disorder, the people still haven't lost sight of their dreams.

Posted by: Tom Friedman at February 06, 2013 03:58 PM (I2LwF)

148 Ah, so Tom's a very, very dry sock.

Posted by: Waterhouse at February 06, 2013 03:59 PM (xGlYu)

149 Rewatching "SeinfeldCrime Story" from an adult perspective vis a vis a 14year old one college age kid was a joy the same.

Posted by: SH at February 06, 2013 03:59 PM (gmeXX)

150 Or how about the 8 year old in Mexico who just gave birth?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 06, 2013 03:53 PM (4df7R)


Not my fault! I'm strictly into underaged Dominicans!

Posted by: Sen. Menendez at February 06, 2013 03:59 PM (Vk2pI)

151 I liked the episode when they slid into a world where their show was called 'White Castles' and there was a movie call 'Kumar and Harold go to Sliders'. And the Harold went to work for the Bush administration!
Man, that had me freaked out!


Never do the brown acid.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 06, 2013 03:59 PM (GFM2b)

152
111 -

That's just it though, after a while you know it's not going to be the first person they suspect, and it usually ends up being the person who you overlooked in the first half of the show.

Best episode from last year was Adam Baldwin as the rogue cop who plays by his own rules.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 06, 2013 04:00 PM (TOk1P)

153 "...an ole lady shit all over herself in front of me at the gracery store..."

Now, there's a story that needs to be told.

This isn't a tease for a new book, is it?

Posted by: jwest at February 06, 2013 04:00 PM (ZDsRL)

154 If at some point the die is cast and we do decide to have a counter culture I want good drama that is not preaching moonbattery to make a comeback.
Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 03:50 PM (LRFds)


----------------------------------------------


I'm thinking of submitting a fun, family comedy called "Bring Me My Beer, Bitch".

Posted by: Soona at February 06, 2013 04:00 PM (bu1Rs)

155
I'm desperate for new (old) tv serials to watch.

So desperate that I might watch Bones from the beginning.

And maybe First Wave, if you remember that one.


I'm DVRing The Americans. I liked the pilot, I'll see where it goes.

The did show about .3 seconds of Kerri Russel's very nice po-po last week.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 06, 2013 04:00 PM (+z4pE)

156 I watched one episode of "House of Cards". Seems pretty good so far. Machievellian for sure. Have not seen any party rancor yet. The smart and caluclating guy (Kevin Spacey) is from SC, so I doubt very much that he is a Dem. I will watch some more. It is a very cynical study in American politics, therefore likely it is accurate.

Posted by: navybrat at February 06, 2013 04:00 PM (0pxtK)

157 The new Han Solo.

http://tinyurl.com/aweerrf


Posted by: 13times at February 06, 2013 04:01 PM (h6XiD)

158 "Sliders" was bullshit.

The alt-Earth where the Revolutionary War didn't happen showcased a talkshow host whose set looked exactly like Rush Limbaugh's set at the time. So it had nothing to say about how the Americas would look if the King still ruled (for which we have actual test-cases: Canada in the North, Jamaica in the South). What it had to say was that Rush Limbaugh was an unpatriotic Tory.

The alt-Earth where women ruled looked nothing like an Earth in
which women would actually rule. (Helpful hint: women are *not* differently-shaped men.) It did however look like a funhouse
parody of the modern day "sexist" United States.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 06, 2013 04:01 PM (QTHTd)

159 "cisgendered person is one who thinks he or she is the gender that they actually are and act accordingly."

God, feminists are such killjoys. What would they do if they ever got what they wanted? Probably write another d@mn essay about how their feminist utopia was actually some underhanded p*nis-oppressor's mindf*ck.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 06, 2013 04:01 PM (amaU1)

160 I'm thinking of submitting a fun, family comedy called "Bring Me My Beer, Bitch".


aka, "Married, with Children".

Posted by: rickb223 at February 06, 2013 04:01 PM (GFM2b)

161 Uh oh link fail by me... people are critiquing me...

the horror, the horror.

Posted by: ace at February 06, 2013 03:41 PM (LCRYB)


best part of the thread, laughing my butt off

Posted by: beach at February 06, 2013 04:03 PM (LpQbZ)

162 154 Soona,

Maybe you can have Jenna Jameson as the aging hard toiling housemarm....

Heh

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 04:03 PM (LRFds)

163 If at some point the die is cast

Speaking of which, I've been watching "Rome" again. Now that one is one worth watching

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 06, 2013 04:03 PM (QTHTd)

164
The "normative" part comes in when men being men or women being women is considered "normal." To the left, that normalcy is inherently oppressive and a "cis-normative" society is evil and must be destroyed and then replaced with a non-hierarchical utopia

Eventually, everyone will be normal for 15 minutes.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 06, 2013 04:03 PM (+z4pE)

165 Allen.....Castle and CSI aren't the same show?
Just kidding. But I do think I'm getting old, I'm not particularly squeamish, but I'm finding these shows, especially Criminal Minds, to be wayyyy too graphic for my taste. Strange how my wife, who fainted at the brain-eating scene in "Hannibal, watches these shows with no problem at all.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at February 06, 2013 04:03 PM (YmPwQ)

166 103 What is cis? Seriously. I'm not going to the Urbane Dictionary.

Latin, meaning something like "on this side," as in Cisalpine Gaul, the celtic-inhabited areas in northern Italy ("Gaul this side of the Alps"). Opposite of "trans."

"cis-normative" is the assumption that it is normal to die with the same type of genitalia with which one was born, with the comitant assumption that transexuals are abnormal somehow. This is a bad thing to liberals.

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 06, 2013 04:03 PM (yWUmv)

167 Sliders -

Kari Wuhrer FTW


Posted by: 11 yr old videogame hacker at February 06, 2013 04:03 PM (EZl54)

168 157 13 times,

well at least it is not Shay La poof

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 04:04 PM (LRFds)

169 That's just it though, after a while you know it's
not going to be the first person they suspect, and it usually ends up
being the person who you overlooked in the first half of the show.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 06, 2013 04:00 PM (TOk1P)

well yeah, it's a standard crime drama mixed with Moonlighting comedy. It works because of Katic and Fillion's rapport

Posted by: The Dude at February 06, 2013 04:04 PM (vJdyz)

170 I'm thinking of submitting a fun, family comedy called "Bring Me My Beer, Bitch".

Posted by: Soona at February 06, 2013 04:00 PM (bu1Rs)
Norman Lear called it All In The Family.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at February 06, 2013 04:04 PM (kXoT0)

171 de-sock

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at February 06, 2013 04:04 PM (EZl54)

172 159 "cisgendered person is one who thinks he or she is the gender that they actually are and act accordingly."---
So they had to dream that up rather than saying 'NORMAL'

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at February 06, 2013 04:04 PM (SO2Q8)

173 Wow, a Tom Friedman bot.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 06, 2013 04:05 PM (QTHTd)

174 163 Boulder Toilet Hobo,

Yup, along with Deadwood...another thing I liked kneecapped by production hell....

No I'll reward exceptional work but I am not rewarding an entertainment complex that has made it clear they hate me lightly.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 04:05 PM (LRFds)

175 Lower your standards. It's worked for men since the dawn of time.

There are no men with standards that low.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 06, 2013 04:05 PM (ZKzrr)

176 "cis-normative" is the assumption that it is normal to die with the same type of genitalia with which one was born, with the comitant assumption that transexuals are abnormal somehow. This is a bad thing to liberals.
Posted by: Grey Fox at February 06, 2013 04:03 PM (yWUmv)

So, I take it you were one of those people who actually attended class, as opposed to the rest of us who were smoking in the bathroom.

Posted by: jwest at February 06, 2013 04:06 PM (ZDsRL)

177
If Spacey is portraying an R - Spacy and the writers will certainly portray the character as nasty and manipulative .You know - Harry Reid with an R behind his name.

Posted by: Fresh at February 06, 2013 04:07 PM (O7ksG)

178 There are no men with standards that low.

It's like reverse infinity. Think of the lowest standard you can.

There's a man with one lower.

Posted by: EC at February 06, 2013 04:07 PM (GQ8sn)

179 "cis" is a descriptor becoming normalized by the transgender rights community to describe almost allother people.

It is applied from chemistry, where something labelled "trans-" crosses some boundary in reactions or processes, and something labelled "cis-" does not.

I.e., since they are transgendered and viewing the world through their correct postmodern lens, they're going to take the opposite of "trans-" from an unrelated vocabulary set, and attempt to make it the accepted descriptor for everyone who is not special unique and different THEM.

A "cisgender" person is either a male who gender-identifies as male, or female who gender-identifies as female (and gender identity is not the same as sexual preference, so some parse it further into males who identify as male and prefer females, and so on).

The only reason I know any of this is because our county outside DC has a married couple of gay men who are heavy duty activists, and one of the men is transgendered female to male. They use a lot of cutting-edge language in their activism, and criticize those who a) don't know what it is, and b) don't use the language religiously after being reprimanded with the news about it (which makes you a homophobic hater).

it also carries the whiff of the popular concept of "unearned privilege" (i.e. you were born white (or straight, or male, or )so anything you say is the result of being angry that you're not getting your white (or etc) due.

hence, anything that isn't told from a celebratory emphasis on trans people is PROBABLY way too cisgender normative.

Gaaah

Posted by: barbarausa at February 06, 2013 04:07 PM (WWeoI)

180 So they had to dream that up rather than saying 'NORMAL'
Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at February 06, 2013 04:04 PM (SO2Q


Well of COURSE. You can't call cisgendered individuals NORMAL, because that makes it seem like transgendered people are ABnormal. Don't you know anything, silly Reichwinger?

[/sarc]

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 06, 2013 04:08 PM (4df7R)

181 ::::175 Lower your standards. It's worked for men since the dawn of time.

There are no men with standards that low.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 06, 2013 04:05 PM (ZKzrr)::::

I'd hit it.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff, Night Cocksman at February 06, 2013 04:08 PM (BushJ)

182 "I'm thinking of submitting a fun, family comedy called "Bring Me My Beer, Bitch".

Just be sure to set it in another time period ,with really cool clothes sets, and pretend it's actually an ironic critique of that era and you're good to go.
See "Bring me my martini, bitch" a/k/a/ Mad Men.

Posted by: Lizzy at February 06, 2013 04:08 PM (amaU1)

183 So, I take it you were one of those people who actually attended class, as opposed to the rest of us who were smoking in the bathroom.

Learned it from David Thompson's blog, actually, though a bit of Latin background didn't hurt.

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 06, 2013 04:08 PM (yWUmv)

184 >>>I'm desperate for new (old) tv serials to watch.

I started watching Mission: Impossible a month back.

(Netflix and Amazon; I think Amazon has more episodes.)

If anyone tries old M:I epsidoes, watch the episode "Chico" in the third season (I think). There is something funny about it right in the beginnign that makes it worth it.

(The episode itself is in their top third of episodes, too. A bit samey-samey, well-executed but old hat, but has a good little surprise.)

Posted by: ace at February 06, 2013 04:09 PM (LCRYB)

185 106
I'm really supposed to believe Tom Friedman



A) Has ever had a meaningful conversation with a cab driver;

B) Remembers that cab driver's name; and

C) Actually SOUGHT OUT the cab driver years later to ask him about the very issue they discussed almost ten years earlier?



Right.



Yeah well Tom Friedman just released a picture of himself in a cab so STFU CABBER!!!!!!11eleventy

Posted by: Matt Lauer at February 06, 2013 04:09 PM (2jQGY)

186 You used "Periods" on purpose, didn't you.

Posted by: SarahW is on to your misogyny and stuff at February 06, 2013 04:10 PM (LYwCh)

187 Have you seen Monday Mornings, a show developed by Sanjay Gupta?

Every "bad doctor" is a white male and every good doctor is either a white female or a non-white male.

Pure propaganda. Piss poor drama too.

Posted by: PJ at February 06, 2013 04:10 PM (ZWaLo)

188 Women understand women and they hate them.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 06, 2013 03:48 PM (Hx5uv)


meh
I love my women kin.
And, I understand why men loves them some women, too. Enough to die for.

Posted by: beach at February 06, 2013 04:10 PM (LpQbZ)

189 I watched one episode of "House of Cards". Seems pretty good so far.
Machievellian for sure. Have not seen any party rancor yet. The smart
and caluclating guy (Kevin Spacey) is from SC, so I doubt very much that
he is a Dem.


No, he is a Dem; as I remember it pretty much all the characters are. They're not in-your-face about it, but they make reference to the GOP being the opposition in an election.

Little is made of party rivalry; they could've made it revolve around GOP characters with very few changes to the script.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 06, 2013 04:11 PM (SY2Kh)

190 "If Spacey is portraying an R - Spacy and the writers will certainly portray the character as nasty and manipulative"

So far, everyone in the whole show is nasty, calculating and manipulative, except when they are busy being servile scum. Lot of pecking order stuff going on.

Posted by: navybrat at February 06, 2013 04:11 PM (0pxtK)

191 Oh look; Her twitter profile has She-Hulk as the pic. I'll give you a hint Alyssa, She-Hulk wanted to look hot and bang good looking powerful guys.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 06, 2013 04:12 PM (0q2P7)

192 This cis-normative thing is giving me a headache.

Posted by: tasker at February 06, 2013 04:16 PM (r2PLg)

193 Me Too, even though an ole lady shit all over
herself in front of me at the gracery store, I was able to buy a
Smithfield spiral sliced ham for .99 a pound. $30 ham for $10. Rock and
Roll Rons. Mrs. sailor will be making her apricot glaze.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 06, 2013 03:54 PM (l86i3


Sweet jeebus, where were you?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 06, 2013 03:56 PM (UOM4



lol, no kidding
I did a major mindshift, right there

Posted by: beach at February 06, 2013 04:18 PM (LpQbZ)

194 I call it Liz Lemonism: The comforting soapy bath of mock-intellectual
TV geekery, dwelling on ludicrously-trivial subjects that only Rich
First-World White Women are blessed enough to be troubled by.


So, lemme guess, she's is unattractive, right?

http://tinyurl.com/a7mxvra

Bingo.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 06, 2013 04:19 PM (sbV1u)

195 Bienvenido al Ejército Mierda Gratis!

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at February 06, 2013 04:20 PM (EZl54)

196 oops sorry wrong thread

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at February 06, 2013 04:21 PM (EZl54)

197 One very well might think that this whole thing is derivative of a certain mini-series about a Conservative Whip named Francis Urquhart (FU for short), but I couldn't possibly comment. Now it's time to put the stick about, make 'em jump.

If Netflix also remakes To Play the King, will it involve the abdication of King Barack I? Just wait until they remake Final Cut. Now THERE's a real Lady MacBeth!

Posted by: MichiCanuck at February 06, 2013 04:23 PM (0W90B)

198 >>>One very well might think that this whole thing is derivative of a certain mini-series about a Conservative Whip named Francis Urquhart

i'm pretty sure it's straight-up credited (and advertised) as the American adaptation of the British series.

Posted by: ace at February 06, 2013 04:24 PM (LCRYB)

199
Ace, this is a good theme to hit -- leftist "intellectuals'" dirty little secret is that they seem to watch a lot of TV and believe everything they see on TV, or at least theyhave a need to have everything in the magic picture box conform to their worldview.

Posted by: Bud Norton at February 06, 2013 04:27 PM (6cOMd)

200 >>No, he is a Dem; as I remember it pretty much all the characters are.
They're not in-your-face about it, but they make reference to the GOP
being the opposition in an election.


There is one sort of funny caricature of what appears to be Karl Rove on a talking head (Fox news no doubt) show with his charts and predictions. Only, he's over the top and goes on a rant. Probably not meant to be a caricature but is how the Dem writers actually see Karl Rove.



Posted by: Sphynx at February 06, 2013 04:30 PM (OZmbA)

201 >>>ce, this is a good theme to hit -- leftist "intellectuals'" dirty little secret is that they seem to watch a lot of TV and believe everything they see on TV, or at least theyhave a need to have everything in the magic picture box conform to their worldview.

I am trying a bit of Alinsky: Making them live by their own rules.

You say you're an "intellectual"? Okay, why the fuck do you watch so much Television, "Brainiac"?

Posted by: ace at February 06, 2013 04:32 PM (LCRYB)

202 re: 'Ace, this is a good theme to hit -- leftist "intellectuals'" dirty little secret is that they seem to watch a lot of TV and believe everything they see on TV, or at least theyhave a need to have everything in the magic picture box conform to their worldview.'

If any Law gets derived from this, I want my stupid fake name on it. "America's 'meritocratic' 'intellectual' class is an undifferentiable mass of empty-headed couch-droolers in barnyard-animal thrall to corporate/celebrity/dipshit 'culture'" has been one of my idées fixes for years.

(A list of my other, crazier, dirtier demands is available from my office.)

Posted by: oblig. at February 06, 2013 04:46 PM (cePv8)

203 Cliff Notes version: Decadent artistic phase; See SNL. Also, Gilmore Girls and that chick show with the chick that compared voting for Obama with hymen breakage.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at February 06, 2013 04:51 PM (o6CW1)

204
Minor point, y'all. Krystal is not the Southern White Castle. White Castle is an attempt to re-create the transcendent wonder that is Krystal at locales above the Mason-Dixon line.
(But not even Krystal is a slug-burger, which has nothing to do with gastropods and which everyone should have the chance to sample at least once. Regional and obscure, I know, but a genuine delight of burger cuisine.)

Slightly less minor but more on topic point - if Spacey's re-make is to be at all true to the original, the central female reporter has to be not just a corrupt, empty manipulator, she's got to be severely disturbed with some major Daddy issues as well. Plus, even given all that, she still comes off as a far more sympathetic character than the protagonist, and that aspect of her character resonates throughout the two sequels in the original House of Cards- Urquhart is haunted by the tragedy of her victimization, one of the very few things for which he seems to feel genuine guilt.

Posted by: A. Pendragon at February 06, 2013 04:54 PM (wJliR)

205
CIS BOOM BAH

Posted by: Dr. Varno at February 06, 2013 04:54 PM (rgDdV)

206 Hey, they want to see women depicted as monsters, tell them to catch pretty much any episode of "Two and A Half Men."

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 06, 2013 04:59 PM (P7hip)

207 The feminist movement was always decadent.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 06, 2013 04:59 PM (IDSI7)

208 204 A Pendragon,

Point of order White Castle copied krystal eleven years before Krystal was founded then....

White Castle Kangaroo Burders 1921

Krystal Mustard Kangaroo burgers 1932


Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 04:59 PM (LRFds)

209 Sven - you've got me there, but I remain a Krystal partisan to the last. (Not to mention a slug-burger fan, which local lore has it dates to the recipe at the World's Fair of 1910.)

Posted by: A. Pendragon at February 06, 2013 05:07 PM (wJliR)

210
I checked - make that the World's Fair of 1904 -somehow or another, the slug-burger recipe made it from there to Northeast Mississippi, where it's still a prominent staple in a lot of the local (not cardiac-friendly) diets. CSI-New York's Sela Ward and Prince Andrew are two of the more famous folks who've gone on record as trying and enjoying it.

Posted by: A. Pendragon at February 06, 2013 05:12 PM (wJliR)

211 Trenchant . Very very trenchant.

Posted by: The only smart word I know at February 06, 2013 05:26 PM (TZR5F)

212 118 What is cis? Seriously. I'm not going to the Urbane Dictionary.
As I understand it, a cisgendered person is one who thinks he or she is the gender that they actually are and act accordingly. Boy, those people are crazy.
Posted by: WalrusRex at February 06, 2013 03:53 PM (Hx5uv)


The. Fuck?

Keep your hermaphroditic paws off prefectly good chemistry prefixes, you stupid fucks!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at February 06, 2013 05:28 PM (Jcd0S)

213
"a period marked by inward-turning self-indulgence, of whimsy, of juvenalia and "childish things," and a focus on trivia."
She's not into self-awareness, is she?

Posted by: Gulermo at February 06, 2013 06:00 PM (f+EPI)

214
#14 "Nazis occupying the USA."
Look around yourself lately?

Posted by: Gulermo at February 06, 2013 06:03 PM (f+EPI)

215 194 I call it Liz Lemonism: The comforting soapy bath of mock-intellectual
TV geekery, dwelling on ludicrously-trivial subjects that only Rich
First-World White Women are blessed enough to be troubled by.

So, lemme guess, she's is unattractive, right?

http://tinyurl.com/a7mxvra

Bingo.

Posted by: Sean Bannion


Jaws, 2013 edition....

Posted by: backhoe at February 06, 2013 06:06 PM (ULH4o)

216
#55 "(Seriously, I'm getting tired of that type of comment)"
But you get to piss on the Christians, so it's all good.

Posted by: Gulermo at February 06, 2013 06:12 PM (f+EPI)

217
#62
Royal Castle

Posted by: Gulermo at February 06, 2013 06:16 PM (f+EPI)

218
Sven,
Hell on Wheels did get picked up for Season 3. The 2 creators left and it has a new showrunner, but it'll be there.

Posted by: I Aim to Misbehave at February 06, 2013 10:46 PM (ur55E)






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