San Francisco's Plastic Bag Ban Kills About 5 People A Year

I was aware of the negative economic consequences of plastic bag bans and plastic bag taxes, both for bag manufacturers and businesses that use the bags. I was also aware that when you raise the price of things (as the plastic bag tax does in places like D.C.), you make things harder for the people least able to adjust to arbitrary price increases -- the poor. And I was aware that any environmental benefit we're likely to see from bag bans and bag taxes is speculative at best.

I was not aware that the plastic bag bans have a death toll, as Ramesh Ponnuru writes in Bloomberg:

Warning of disease may seem like an over-the-top scare tactic, but research suggests there’s more than anecdote behind this industry talking point. In a 2011 study, four researchers examined reusable bags in California and Arizona and found that 51 percent of them contained coliform bacteria. The problem appears to be the habits of the reusers. Seventy-five percent said they keep meat and vegetables in the same bag. When bags were stored in hot car trunks for two hours, the bacteria grew tenfold.

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Klick and Wright estimate that the San Francisco ban results in a 46 percent increase in deaths from foodborne illnesses, or 5.5 more of them each year. They then run through a cost-benefit analysis employing the same estimate of the value of a human life that the Environmental Protection Agency uses when evaluating regulations that are supposed to save lives. They conclude that the anti-plastic-bag policies can’t pass the test -- and that’s before counting the higher health-care costs they generate.

Of course, this is common sense. There's a reason we keep food in refrigerators and discard or wash packaging when we're done with it. But washing the heap of reusable cloth bags in the back of the car? I'll admit: I never have. (I also usually just use plastic bags. There's no bag ban or tax in Virginia and the bags make excellent bin liners.)

Norovirus, which causes diarrhea and vomiting, was already known to be spread by reusable grocery bags at the time Los Angeles adopted its bag ban. The additional deaths and greater healthcare costs of the bag ban do not appear to have given environmental activists much pause. Naturally, enviroweenies have a long history of ignoring the human cost of their harebrained green ideas.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 09:32 AM



Comments

1 Darwin never sleeps.

Not even a power nap once in a while.

Posted by: eman at February 06, 2013 08:48 AM (j7rp0)

2 Ran into a lady buying plastic bags in the pet dept. for dog patrol. Asked her why she didn't just use shopping bags. No, she carries cloth bags (which she paid $ for...) for shopping, then buys plastic bags for walking her dog.

Funny, I use my plastic shopping bags for cleaning up after pets, OR for carrying a lunch to work (and taking the dirty dishes home...) OR cleaning out the car, and they're free. Heck, I got more than I can use.

But liberals are the smart ones.

Posted by: delayna at February 06, 2013 09:34 AM (KnC4k)

3 How many are children? If we could just save one life™.

Posted by: Hanoverfist at February 06, 2013 09:35 AM (YsIAN)

4 Dead folk ain't a bug, it's a feature.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 09:35 AM (LRFds)

5 Norovirus, which causes diarrhea and vomiting, was already known to be spread by reusable grocery bags at the time Los Angeles adopted its bag ban.


Sssshhhhh! Maybe they'll shit themselves to death. Win-win!

Posted by: rickb223 at February 06, 2013 09:35 AM (GFM2b)

6 I see we are still adhering to our morning stompy policy. A new thread every 30 to 45 min and then shift to one every 5 hours in the afternoon.

Posted by: Vic at February 06, 2013 09:35 AM (53z96)

7 If it saves just one child ...

Posted by: The International Brotherhood of Hemp Bag Weavers at February 06, 2013 09:35 AM (evdj2)

8 Damn.. I wash my mine.. but only about every 10th time I use them. Guess I need to start throwing them in the weekly wash. I don't mind using them really. I usually end up bagging them myself because apparently the people at Wally World think I am Wonder Woman and can heft 30 pound bags of groceries. Those days are over for me.. so I politely tell them to give me the bags and I will fill them to a capacity I can handle.

Posted by: jewells45 at February 06, 2013 09:36 AM (u25eL)

9 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 06, 2013 09:37 AM (8y9MW)

10 Can't be said enough Allen.

Posted by: jewells45 at February 06, 2013 09:39 AM (u25eL)

11 As I mentioned on the Headlines thread, when the Ultra Killer Super Disease that wipes out 75% of humanity finally rips through the world's population, I'm 85% sure the vector will have been incubated in a reusable shopping bag.

"Don't give plastic or paper bags to the third world! That's bad for the environment! Give them reusable grocery bags to carry their poultry/vegetables/bits of dead animal/fruits in! Sure they have no refrigeration and depend on food preservation techniques like fermentation and rot to keep their food edible, but nothing coud POSSIBLY go wrong."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 06, 2013 09:39 AM (4df7R)

12 Should make the enviros doubly happy.

Posted by: BignJames at February 06, 2013 09:39 AM (Sg0G/)

13 Coming to a California near you: Recyclable Reusable Bags-

Now, grocery stores will be required to give you a new/clean reusable bag when you bring your own from home, and they will be responsible for washing the returned bags (complete with occasional state inspections).

I really wish I were kidding.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 06, 2013 09:39 AM (8y9MW)

14 Like speed bumps- I seem to remember reading around 80 people die each year because the damned annoying things slow rescue crews down. Well, duh....

Posted by: backhoe at February 06, 2013 09:40 AM (ULH4o)

15 I am very skeptical of "reports" and "studies" like this one. I am sure that a few people will get a stomach virus with diarrhea over this kind of crap, but deaths?


There are millions of people a year in the US who get a case of the runs every year due to bad kitchen habits but very few of them are so stupid that they die.


As for using the reusable bags, they need to be washed. Or at least spray some damn sanitizer in them and do NOT put raw vegetables in the bag without having them wrapped in their own bags.

Posted by: Vic at February 06, 2013 09:40 AM (53z96)

16 I do wrap my veggies in plastic and the meat as well before I put them in my reusables.

Posted by: jewells45 at February 06, 2013 09:41 AM (u25eL)

17
Did you know that today is Mary Leakey's 100th birthday?
Google thinks you should know . . . it's IMPORTANT.
Some dead white guy was born on this date, too.

Posted by: least in CO at February 06, 2013 09:42 AM (+B0Np)

18 Some grocery store workers won't work with the reusable bags without first putting on disposable gloves, the risk of getting sick is so high.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 06, 2013 09:42 AM (4df7R)

19 , at one time back.in.the.day i was told most plastic bags were recycled plastic. so green!
and paper bags were horrible because trees were killed.


Posted by: ette at February 06, 2013 09:42 AM (nqBYe)

20 As for using the reusable bags, they need to be washed. Or at least
spray some damn sanitizer in them and do NOT put raw vegetables in the
bag without having them wrapped in their own bags.


Here's the problem with that, Vic- sometimes people just don't think about it. Oh, sure, they should and its their fault if they don't. But what if (just as a thought experiment, here) we didn't mandate the use of the reusable bags? That way, people who didn't want to mess with having to wash their bags could just use paper or plastic bags- which they could then "reuse" as trashcan liners or kids' school book covers (remember doing that?).

That's kind of the point here. I have no sympathy for people who elect to use the reusable bags, and don't care for them properly. But people in CA no longer have that choice.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 06, 2013 09:43 AM (8y9MW)

21 What's blue and sits in a corner?

Posted by: Bigby's Punch Bug Blue at February 06, 2013 09:43 AM (3ZtZW)

22 I use the reusable bags but only because the booger eaters at Kroger don't know how to properly bag groceries, and I have broken toes from jars and cans falling out of the plastic bags onto my feet.

As for people getting sick, once a month I Lysol the hell out of the bags and use a bleach solution on the cooler. Problem solved, but the navel gazers at the local newspaper say we must replace the reusable bags every couple of months.

Posted by: MrCaniac at February 06, 2013 09:43 AM (Zd/NW)

23
I am very skeptical of "reports" and "studies" like this one. I am sure
that a few people will get a stomach virus with diarrhea over this kind
of crap, but deaths?
=============
Come on, man.

Remember Jack in the Box?

I know you've had food poisoning before. Now imagine you were already sick before you got it.

Then, throw in something like say a virus that destroys your immune system.

Yeah. 5.5 is low for CA.

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 06, 2013 09:44 AM (VjL9S)

24 BAN THE ASSAULT BAGS!!!! FOR THE CHILDREN!!!!!

Posted by: TANSTAAFL at February 06, 2013 09:44 AM (tqAT4)

25 That's kind of the point here. I have no sympathy
for people who elect to use the reusable bags, and don't care for them
properly. But people in CA no longer have that choice.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 06, 2013 09:43 AM (8y9MW)


Some of the stores here in super red SC have started not issuing plastic bags claiming "green" but actually just pinching pennies.

So it isn't just the "mandates" that are causing this now.

Posted by: Vic at February 06, 2013 09:45 AM (53z96)

26 Dead folk ain't a bug, it's a feature.

Yup.

And AllenG nails it...oh, sure, the people who get all sanctimonious about reusable bags will claim they use extra water and energy every week to keep them clean* O_O but you've got all the people who don't plopping their infested bags down on the same checkout surfaces as everyone else. The only way to keep everyone's bags clean is for the stores to do the cleaning themselves.

* not that the low-water low-energy washing machines or the "eco-friendly" detergent-free laundry product can get anything clean...

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 06, 2013 09:45 AM (ZKzrr)

27 Some of the stores here in super red SC have started not issuing plastic
bags claiming "green" but actually just pinching pennies.


I haven't seen that in my part of DFW, but I guess that doesn't surprise me. As long as I had the option, though, my grocery store would find me voting with my wallet.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 06, 2013 09:46 AM (8y9MW)

28 "Negative economic consequences" also generate piles of corpses. In a large sample, there's going to be a margin whose difference between life and death is, like, five bucks. And whoever takes those people's five bucks kills them. Statistically.

The little Freud in my head tells me everybody knows this and, really, that's the appeal of doing all these tiny shitty things to masses of people for no demonstrable benefit. If "we" do a lot of this stuff to a lot of people, "we" get to kill a bunch of them and act like we didn't. That's exciting.

Posted by: oblig. at February 06, 2013 09:46 AM (cePv8)

29 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 06, 2013 09:43 AM (8y9MW)

Market-driven solutions rarely turn out badly.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 06, 2013 09:47 AM (GsoHv)

30 Are there particular features I should be aware of on these Assault Bags, like grenade launchers, bayonets, and pistol grips?

Posted by: jakeman at February 06, 2013 09:48 AM (96M6e)

31 Market-driven solutions rarely turn out badly.

Try telling that to California.

Or Teachers.

Or...

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 06, 2013 09:48 AM (8y9MW)

32 26 Ms radish,

yeah it's pretty funny how schizoid the nation is on CDC actions and oversight vis a vis outbreaks but GAIA over ALL types just shrug...

ah well I'm 40 not my problem for too much longer I guess...

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 09:48 AM (LRFds)

33

Norovirus, which causes diarrhea...


No, no, it's the dirty breasts.

Posted by: Egyptian Minister of the War on Women at February 06, 2013 09:48 AM (LpQbZ)

34 at one time back.in.the.day i was told most plastic bags were recycled plastic. so green!
and paper bags were horrible because trees were killed.

And plastic is OIL!!11eleventy!!
Anyone know the energy usage/cost of recycling paper vs. plastic? And time to breakdown in a landfill?
They really ARE stupid.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 06, 2013 09:49 AM (GFM2b)

35 Are there particular features I should be aware of on these Assault Bags, like grenade launchers, bayonets, and pistol grips?

If the person in front of you (who is using the same grocery conveyor thingy that you are) looks like they should be on People Of Walmart: run.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 06, 2013 09:49 AM (8y9MW)

36 Oh ha! Just thought of a solution.

Irradiation.

Sat on an airplane 8 years ago from a guy who had proved using the conveyer belt as the irradiation source would sanitize and preserve the food passing on it.

Fucking Greenies.

Technology really can save lives and these fuckers think of a damned drum is like a magical spell.

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 06, 2013 09:50 AM (VjL9S)

37 What's blue and sits in a corner?

Bad smurfs?

Posted by: rickb223 at February 06, 2013 09:50 AM (GFM2b)

38 I'll admit that I don't wash my bags out other then on the very rare occasion when it suddenly occurs to me to do so. But I also don't use reusable bags when I'm getting meat or produce. I might put those plastic bags into another plastic bag and then into a reusable bag because it's easier to carry one big bag then a bunch of little ones but it is simply common sense to put raw meat and veggies in a bag that you will throw away.


Vic, I absolutely believe that norovirus from unwashed bags can lead to deaths. Just because it's rare doesn't mean it's impossible.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 06, 2013 09:50 AM (VtjlW)

39 Hell, this is nothing.

The left's reflexive hatred of DDT caused millions upon millions of Malaria deaths worldwide. And that death toll increases every year.

If you asked a liberal about that, however, they'd immediately become confused and within moments suggest that you're a racist. Or whatever. Or they'd simply smile, preen and nod and then order another Skyy martini.

Which brings up the crucial point: Leftism is a mental disorder, not an actual political ideology.

Everything the left does has untoward and unwarranted results, often of the catastrophic variety. Gun control = more gun violence. Rent control = higher rents. The "war on poverty" = no change or even increases in poverty rates. "Affirmative action" = no change or even declines in minority participation rates. "Living wages" = less employment. Emissions caps = higher utilities bills and no real change in pollutant levels. Higher minimum wages = lower employment. Etc.

But you can't even discuss these matters with leftists. They're lost in space. Loco in the membrane.

Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at February 06, 2013 09:51 AM (r2PLg)

40 AllenG: So, you're saying it's not Assault Bags that kill people, it's the People Of Wallyworld that kill people? I hear a dog whistle, but I'm not sure if it's racist or if you hate po' people, or both.

Posted by: jakeman at February 06, 2013 09:51 AM (96M6e)

41 And plastic is OIL!!11eleventy!!

The grocery bag plastic is a by-product of natural gas production.

The people who don't want this carbon "sequestered" in a plastic bag in a landfill are the same people who want to shut down power plants over carbon. Go fig.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 06, 2013 09:51 AM (ZKzrr)

42 The FAA has a long history of ignoring the human cost of their harebrained regulations. It's probably true for all of the three letter agencies.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at February 06, 2013 09:52 AM (epxV4)

43 I see we are still adhering to our morning stompy policy. A new thread every 30 to 45 min and then shift to one every 5 hours in the afternoon.
Posted by: Vic at February 06, 2013 09:35 AM (53z96)



Hehe.

Look at it this way: Ace's brilliance takes time to formulate, and, aren't you at the edge of your seat while waiting? Isn't it worth the wait?

Posted by: beach is suckin' up at February 06, 2013 09:52 AM (LpQbZ)

44 but I'm not sure if it's racist or if you hate po' people, or both.

Yes.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 06, 2013 09:52 AM (8y9MW)

45 Some smartass in CA should start marketing reusable shopping bags made of 'responsibly harvested, renewable' leather or fur. Give the lefties something else to have fits about.

Posted by: lauraw at February 06, 2013 09:52 AM (IkC0S)

46 38 AlexTheChick,

nor does it mean we should shrug...if Greentards had separate cities and separate groceries and I had a 100% guarantee my life would not be impacted by their idiocy I'd be all for their shooting dice with the Gods...

they don't and they still do....

they banned DDT, they just got DCon banned....they constantly and consistently undermine public health.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 09:52 AM (LRFds)

47 And for some reason I really enjoy getting number 42.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at February 06, 2013 09:52 AM (epxV4)

48 How many San Franciscans die every year due to hippy hobo feces in the streets? And pokes from drug addicts needles?

SF has more to worry about than puke bags.

Posted by: Roy at February 06, 2013 09:53 AM (VndSC)

49 HAHAHA, well played, Sir.

Posted by: jakeman at February 06, 2013 09:53 AM (96M6e)

50 Political correctness kills.

Posted by: Bud Norton at February 06, 2013 09:53 AM (6cOMd)

51 Leftist don't care what works, just what make them feel good.

Posted by: Mark formerly in Spokane,now in Sandy Ut at February 06, 2013 09:53 AM (xGX1p)

52 16 I do wrap my veggies in plastic and the meat as well before I put them in my reusables.
Posted by: jewells45 at February 06, 2013 09:41 AM (u25eL)


Same here. It ain't rocket surgery.

Posted by: rickl at February 06, 2013 09:54 AM (zoehZ)

53 In some cultures, all they eat is reusable grocery bags.

Posted by: Truman North, by golly at February 06, 2013 09:54 AM (hEHas)

54 39 Tsar Nicholas II,

There you have it....yup DDT, DCon, hell they'll get around to outlawing medical aid sometime soon...

they are self-loathing assholes who lack the courage to use the 9mm migraine fixer on themselves and over time decide to play Russian Roulette with the human race instead.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 09:55 AM (LRFds)

55 As an aside, those plastic grocery bags are great.

Posted by: Cargonet Manufacturer at February 06, 2013 09:55 AM (eEfYn)

56 @28 I suspect that some important part of the Commie-fag-junkie Complex is not merely neurotic. It is that some of them just want to watch the world burn, and are effectively planning to make it burn.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/326bqws

Posted by: Thorvald at February 06, 2013 09:55 AM (1V6Pv)

57 The left's reflexive hatred of DDT caused millions upon millions of Malaria deaths worldwide. And that death toll increases every year.

If you asked a liberal about that, however, they'd immediately become confused and within moments suggest that you're a racist.


Who is the real racist? You, who wants to prevent deaths, or the enviroweenie that condemned third worlders to die? Why do they H8 little brown peoples?

Making enviroweenie's heads explode is fun AND free!

Posted by: rickb223 at February 06, 2013 09:55 AM (GFM2b)

58 The left believes that we are overpopulated, so this fits in with their strategy.

Posted by: SH at February 06, 2013 09:56 AM (gmeXX)

59 Gabe-

I went to the cited "study", which was done by two lawyers oddly enough. There are substantial methodologic problems with the study, not least of which is the use of secondary sources for data, and failure to account for all of the thousands of other potential sources of E. coli infection. Although the "researchers" showed some statistical changes, they do not by any stretch of the imagination prove causation. While common sense tells me that a cloth bag that has held a leaky package of ground beef is yucky, and I am inclined to believe there are unintended consequences of virtually all central planning legislation, this study does not really make the case convincingly.

The other major problem with the study is using that data to "estimate" (or perhaps "fabricate" is a better word) 'x' number of deaths attributable to the cloth bags.

Just sayin'

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 06, 2013 09:56 AM (qqZuQ)

60
"The grocery bag plastic is a by-product of natural gas production"
^^This. Most folks, however, seem to think that they're somehow produced from that nasty brown sticky oil stuff...

Posted by: Jess1 at February 06, 2013 09:57 AM (lbiWb)

61

The irony for me is, since I use cloth bags, I use the small plastic bags from produce to also hold any meat I purchase to keep my cloth bags clean.

I like the cloth bags because they hold a lot, and easier for me to carry in from my car. And, I do wash them occasionally.

I always thought, what a coup for the grocery stores. They charge for the plastic bags, now, while they do not need to purchase as many themselves, but the savings does not get passed on to us.

And, then there are Glad bags... they may have seen an uptick in purchases. Dunno.

Posted by: beach shopper at February 06, 2013 09:57 AM (LpQbZ)

62 I'll admit that I don't wash my bags out other then on the very rare occasion when it suddenly occurs to me to do so. But I also don't use reusable bags when I'm getting meat or produce. I might put those plastic bags into another plastic bag and then into a reusable bag because it's easier to carry one big bag then a bunch of little ones but it is simply common sense to put raw meat and veggies in a bag that you will throw away.

The only problem with this, AtC, is that others who AREN'T so prudent about how and when they use their reusable bags are using the same conveyors and gorcery store surfaces as you. So be careful where you put your bag down!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 06, 2013 09:57 AM (4df7R)

63 And for some reason I really enjoy getting number 42.

I'm kinda partial to a 69. But hey, if you can get a 42 to work for you...

Posted by: rickb223 at February 06, 2013 09:59 AM (GFM2b)

64 I do wrap my veggies in plastic and the meat as well before I put them in my reusables. Posted by: jewells45 at February 06, 2013 09:41 AM (u25eL)

Now imagine you're in a city that has enacted a ban on plastic bags, and you don't have that option.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 06, 2013 09:59 AM (4df7R)

65 I love reusable grocery bags. Helps me to recognize and avoid disease ridden hippies.

Posted by: mugiwara at February 06, 2013 09:59 AM (W7ffl)

66 Hmm, what did Obama say? "If it saves even one life..."

Time to get rid of reusables, I guess.

Posted by: JDTAY at February 06, 2013 09:59 AM (a0nis)

67 I guess I just don't understand why we can't let people make their own decisions. Want to use your own bag, have it. Want paper (like me), no problem. Want plastic, your call. I know that ship has sailed a long time ago. What a better life we could all have. But I guess the left has to be up our ass about something.

Posted by: SH at February 06, 2013 10:00 AM (gmeXX)

68 Hmm, what did Obama say? "If it saves even one life..." Time to get rid of reusables, I guess.
Posted by: JDTAY at February 06, 2013 09:59 AM (a0nis)


Better yet, let's just ban food. No food, no food-borne illness. BOOM!

You're welcome, America.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 06, 2013 10:02 AM (4df7R)

69 Just sayin'

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 06, 2013 09:56 AM (qqZuQ)
---Well hell. Now it must be time to study how all this special wrapping of food to go into the re-usable bags has increased overall plastic use in grocery stores. Make up data if needed. Go for the Bellesilles Award!

Posted by: RioBravo at February 06, 2013 10:02 AM (eEfYn)

70 67 SH,

Our refusal to ram their shit back up their ass has it in our light bulbs, toilet flow, food choices, firearms, etc etc etc....

they need stopped and eventually if we don't trun back the tide they're gonna need killed.

They will "choose assisted suicide" for us....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 10:02 AM (LRFds)

71 And for some reason I really enjoy getting number 42.

Life, the Universe and Everything!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 06, 2013 10:02 AM (4df7R)

72 68 MWR,

Barack Obama making the hard choices....to save even one life....

"change"

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 10:02 AM (LRFds)

73 Seriously. I would love to be shopping in one of these frou-frou hippie spots, and pull out my three voluminous leather grocery bags. Shake one open to the dismay of the vegan clerk, who can see an old brand mark, and part of an ear comprises the clasp...

Posted by: lauraw at February 06, 2013 10:03 AM (IkC0S)

74
"So be careful where you put your bag down"
^^This (part deux) - before Christmas shopping ran into a (leftwing/econut) friend @ the store, who plopped their bag o'goodness right into the left behind "juices" from the bagperson in front - w/unwrapped veggies packaged meats inside. Needless to say, we didn't eat @ their place when invited over during the holidays...
Our local Safeway now equips each register w/a spray bottle of cleaner paper towels to keep the "bagging" half of the belt clean.

Posted by: Jess1 at February 06, 2013 10:03 AM (lbiWb)

75 Seriously. I would love to be shopping in one of these frou-frou hippie spots, and pull out my three voluminous leather grocery bags. Shake one open to the dismay of the vegan clerk, who can see an old brand mark, and part of an ear comprises the clasp...
Posted by: lauraw at February 06, 2013 10:03 AM (IkC0S)


OMG if you ever did that, PLEASE have a hidden camera on your person. I NEED video of that reaction.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 06, 2013 10:04 AM (4df7R)

76 Poplar from dibble stick to market can be 12 years. Paper. It grows on trees!

Posted by: Tally Whacker at February 06, 2013 10:04 AM (RG1F5)

77 as long as we are speaking of germs bad enough to kill you, how about touching the grocery cart handle.

or using a public restroom and then not having paper towels to open the bathroom door? hoping my blouse has enough length to use as a glove.

nevermind buffets. just . not. doing. it.!


ok i'm not obsessed but ..
no i'm not!
yick.

Posted by: ette at February 06, 2013 10:04 AM (nqBYe)

78 Are there particular features I should be aware of on these Assault Bags, like grenade launchers, bayonets, and pistol grips?
Posted by: jakeman at February 06, 2013 09:48 AM (96M6e)

Gaia friendly germ warfare delivery system.

Posted by: Invictus at February 06, 2013 10:05 AM (OQpzc)

79 If it saves just one life...

ummmm

shut up is why!

Posted by: RWC at February 06, 2013 10:05 AM (fWAjv)

80

19 31 18 79 33
47 68 30 00 45
39 61 15 54 18
20 31 55 05 78

Posted by: John has a long mustache at February 06, 2013 10:05 AM (evdj2)

81 SF's plastic ban kills about 5 people a year.


So what? These are libs from San Fran. I couldn't care less if they died.

Posted by: EC at February 06, 2013 10:05 AM (GQ8sn)

82 Now imagine you're in a city that has enacted a ban on plastic bags, and you don't have that option.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 06, 2013 09:59 AM (4df7R)



You know, I have this huge mental block where I guess I'm just flatly refusing to accept this is the fact because it's so fucking stupid. How is the meat being wrapped up in the first place? I mean, if you go to the meat counter and get a couple of steaks, what, they just hand them over to you dripping blood without wrapping them in plastic first? How about veggies, there are no bags to put them in? I just dump the lettuce and potatoes and carrots and peppers (let's pretend I actually eat veggies m'kay?) in the cart? That is such an obvious disease vector I don't know where to begin.


Hell, when I go to the local farmer's market, I put each thing into its own bag to prevent cross contamination. I usually do wash the bags out after that even though the farmer's market is probably cleaner than my local grocery store.


I don't get the need some people have to try to hurl us all back to the 16th century. I really don't.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 06, 2013 10:05 AM (VtjlW)

83 Lets not forget these reusable "green" bags are made in China and have been found to contain poisonous heavy metals within them.

Posted by: Infidelswine at February 06, 2013 10:06 AM (/SPJE)

84 19 31 18 79 33
47 68 30 00 45
39 61 15 54 18
20 31 55 05 78

Posted by: John has a long mustache at February 06, 2013 10:05 AM (evdj2)


I've got bingo!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 06, 2013 10:06 AM (4df7R)

85 Hey, the banning of DDT wasn't all that bad for everyone, you know.

Posted by: Bed Bug at a Posh NY Hotel at February 06, 2013 10:06 AM (s/ydT)

86 Come to think of it Sven, those low-flow toilets are a breeding ground for nastiness, especially when you're a big fan of spinach like me. Doesn't do much for marital bliss either.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at February 06, 2013 10:06 AM (Ec6wH)

87 @76 I have a taxonomic guide to plants that still wears it brown grocery store bag book cover from Reagan's first term. And it's not because I know everything in it.

Posted by: Thorvald at February 06, 2013 10:07 AM (1V6Pv)

88 Sven -- I'm always back at the lightbulb. I can at least take some comfort that the plastic bag ban is done at the local level. What SF does doesn't really affect me, other than the fact that these bans always seem to cross state lines, and will eventually make it to my community. Doesn't Austin have it? But they are really just the Texas SF. Of course all these bans/restrictions have corporate supporters who love to punish their competitors with the help of the government.

Its why it is important to fight for liberty at all levels and over everything. To this day, I have constant arguments with my people who consider themselves fairly libertarian/conservatives over smoking bans. They don't see the big deal, and I just tell them you are trading away your liberty a little at a time.

Posted by: SH at February 06, 2013 10:07 AM (gmeXX)

89 I really need to start reading upthread.

Posted by: RWC at February 06, 2013 10:07 AM (fWAjv)

90 It's time we sit down as a country and have an honest conversation about the threat to our children of plastic bag bans.


That's how this works, right?

Posted by: DangerGirl - Stop this thing, I want off at February 06, 2013 10:07 AM (5F76G)

91 83 InfidelSwine,

Which I am certain they laugh about as they craft them....

heh it really is funny we entrust our health to people who fantasize about murdering us...

"Forward!"

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 10:07 AM (LRFds)

92 I don't get the need some people have to try to hurl us all back to the 16th century. I really don't.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 06, 2013 10:05 AM (VtjlW)


Perhaps you'd prefer the 6th century?

Posted by: Islamists, Leftists, What's the Difference? at February 06, 2013 10:08 AM (W7ffl)

93 Seals. We need to make grocery bags out of seals. With the flippers and whiskers on them.

Posted by: lauraw at February 06, 2013 10:08 AM (IkC0S)

94 @93 baby ones!!

Posted by: Thorvald at February 06, 2013 10:08 AM (1V6Pv)

95 This is why illegal aliens will take over CA. I've seen day laborer dudes in LA bars that could lick tequila off of a dog's ass and not be phased by the filth in American cities.

CA will be terminally boned very, very soon.

Posted by: Fritz at February 06, 2013 10:08 AM (UzPAd)

96 88 SH,

Nanny Bloomberg has lived down to every expectation I had as a boy over the smoking Nazis...

"just one more thing!" ain't just for Columbo anymore....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 10:09 AM (LRFds)

97 Norovirus is nasty stuff. I had it once, and it was so bad I not only almost died but death would have been preferable at the time to the torment. Indeed, I prayed for the Lord to receive me, to end my suffering.

But I did lose about 7 lbs.

Posted by: navybrat at February 06, 2013 10:09 AM (0pxtK)

98 I mean, if you go to the meat counter and get a couple of steaks, what, they just hand them over to you dripping blood without wrapping them in plastic first?

I expect butcher's paper is used in most cases where plastic and styrofoam packaging is not available. But I think that, when it comes to deli counters and the like, there's still use of plastic packing material. It's just the overwhelming use of plastic shopping bags that seems to get the greenweenies so wee-weed up.

They would NOT like to see the mass of the things I've got stuffed in my bottom desk drawer. Damned useful.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 06, 2013 10:09 AM (4df7R)

99 Merely bumps in the road.
No omelets without cracking eggs, you know.

Posted by: BuddyPC at February 06, 2013 10:09 AM (mdJEb)

100 90 Danger Girl,

It's time we had a national conversation on the danger of the NAACP running interference for gangbangers in schools....if it saves just one life....


oddly only they get to play this game....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 10:10 AM (LRFds)

101
Right before they imposed a dime tax on bags, two goofs knocked on door asking me to sign a petition to increase it to a quarter. They acted shocked that I refused to sign it.

Posted by: waldo at February 06, 2013 10:10 AM (lSaJq)

102 http://www.heritage.org/events/2013/02/rand-paul

Rand giving a foreign policy speech at 11am EST.

LuapNor Foreign Policy - insanity?

We'll see.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 06, 2013 10:10 AM (xAtAj)

103
Plastic.

Which reminds me of this little tidbit about plastic and weight loss from, none other than, Dr. Oz:

Leanness Law # 2: Don’t Eat Plastic

You’re probably thinking, Well, I don’t generally eat plastic. Ah, but you do. Chances are that you’re among the 75% of Americans with detectable levels of phthalates in their bodies. Phthalates are synthetic chemicals found in plastics that lower testosterone, and trick our bodies into storing fat. Here’s what you can do to reduce your exposure:

1) Never heat food in plastic containers or put plastic items in the dishwasher, which can damage them and increase leaching. BPA leaches from polycarbonate sports bottles 55 times faster when exposed to boiling liquids as opposed to cold ones, according to a study in the journal Toxicology Letters.

2) Avoid buying fatty foods like meats that are packaged in plastic wrap. Plastic wrap used in supermarkets is mostly PVC, a type of plastic that leaches phthalates; like other obesogens, phthalates are attracted to, and are stored in, fatty tissue. (That’s right – the more fat you have in your body, the more obesogens you’re storing.) So when you buy fatty foods wrapped in PVC, you’re buying extra obesogens. Instead, go right to the butcher counter, and ask the butcher to wrap your meat in brown paper. (By the way, don’t worry about plastic wrap you buy to wrap things at home – most are made from polyethylene – a harmless type of plastic.

3) Cut down on canned goods by choosing fresh or frozen vegetables or tuna in a pouch over canned tuna.

Posted by: beach shopper at February 06, 2013 10:10 AM (LpQbZ)

104 97 NavyBrat,

and who needed that liver anyway...heh....


Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 10:11 AM (LRFds)

105 Frankly, I doubt this study. Just asI doubt any study that says plastic bags are bad. Most studies are kind of junk, particularly when they are geared toward banning something.

But I'm an old fashion kind of guy who believes in the collective wisdom of the consumer public.

And I'm really pissed off about the lack of phosphates in my diswhasher detergent.

Posted by: SH at February 06, 2013 10:11 AM (gmeXX)

106 Plastic bags are great for 'leftovers' from the San Fran Folsom Street festival.

Posted by: RWC at February 06, 2013 10:11 AM (fWAjv)

107 "San Francisco's Plastic Bag Ban Kills About 5 People A Year"

There's an old line which asks, "What do you call a busload of hippies going over a cliff?", and answers "A promising start."

Likewise this. Let's hope that antibiotic resistance and reduced dishwashing efficiency thanks to the phosphate ban kills off many, many more Pelosi voters in Scum Francisco.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 06, 2013 10:12 AM (gqT4g)

108
"Hell, when I go to the local farmer's market, I put each thing into its own bag to prevent cross contamination."
YOU EARTH8TER!!!
(heh)

Posted by: Jess1 at February 06, 2013 10:12 AM (lbiWb)

109 http://preview.tinyurl.com/yarrawl
Vicious sociopath Garrison Keillor brings you part II of the great plastic bag menace.

Posted by: Thorvald at February 06, 2013 10:12 AM (1V6Pv)

110 lauraw, I will order a metric fuckton of leather and baby seal bags.

You know what would be perfect? To put veal in a baby seal bag.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 06, 2013 10:13 AM (VtjlW)

111
I say again:

We do not bleach underwear because it is white.

Underwear is white so we can bleach it.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at February 06, 2013 10:13 AM (V3kRK)

112 Anyway, I haven't read all of Gabe's previous post, but did he get a proper talking too as to why we have got to stop letting the left hold the military hostage to all their social justice spending bullshit?

Remember Reagan, "don't negotiate with terrorists?"

I mean, it's always total death, doom and destruction for teachers, cops, firemen and soldiers every single time any minor, meager cut to spending is proposed.

And right on cue, some dumb monkeys in the Republican Party jump up and dance--"We can't cut spending now!!!!"

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 06, 2013 10:13 AM (VjL9S)

113 Likewise this. Let's hope that antibiotic resistance and reduced
dishwashing efficiency thanks to the phosphate ban kills off many, many
more Pelosi voters in Scum Francisco.


The homeless population, when not being culled by Ace, are the perfect vectors.

LEAVE THEM ALONE ACE!!! At least for the time being.

Posted by: EC at February 06, 2013 10:13 AM (GQ8sn)

114 Kind of like the FDA says mercury amalgam fillings are perfectly safe while the EPA says we should take curly bulbs to safe disposal sites because mercury 11!

Posted by: Palerider at February 06, 2013 10:14 AM (cQZV0)

115 You know what would be perfect? To put veal in a baby seal bag.

Don't forget the LAMB chops.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 06, 2013 10:14 AM (GFM2b)

116 Gah!!, Panic strikin this morning, I lost my wallet, FARK!!!

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 06, 2013 10:14 AM (l86i3)

117 Right before they imposed a dime tax on bags, two goofs knocked on door asking me to sign a petition to increase it to a quarter. They acted shocked that I refused to sign it.

---

Here's the question. If a dime is worth it, why not make it $50. The sold the tax on the idea that it was meant to stop usage, not raise revenue. Its almost as if it was a pure revenue device imposed on the less wealthy under the auspices of doing them a favor for the environment.

Posted by: SH at February 06, 2013 10:14 AM (gmeXX)

118 112 Royal Oil,

I slung a lot of heat and am still angry at the FiCon uber alles types but have decided to cheer on the car going over the cliff...

Great! You want to nuke DoD WONDERFUL!

Okay now you're about~31% tops to just balancing the damned budget...."next?"

Nobody wants to acknowledge the elephant in the room...

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 10:15 AM (LRFds)

119 Gah!!, Panic strikin this morning, I lost my wallet, FARK!!!


Check your kids' bedroom, under the mattress.

Posted by: EC at February 06, 2013 10:15 AM (GQ8sn)

120 You know what would be perfect? To put veal in a baby seal bag.

Right next to the foie gras.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 06, 2013 10:15 AM (4df7R)

121 Barack Obama will replace outgoing Interior Secretary Ken Salazar with Sally Jewell, the CEO of outdoor sports and clothing giant REI
REI, which sells clothing and gear for outdoor adventures
The business experience is a plus, but would you hire a CEO from a uniform manufacturer to tun the Pentagon ?

Posted by: Inside the Ring at February 06, 2013 10:15 AM (e8kgV)

122 You know what would be perfect? To put veal in a baby seal bag.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 06, 2013 10:13 AM (VtjlW)


I felt a great disturbance in Gaia, as if millions of PETA members suddenly cried out in terror and prattle on and on.

Posted by: RWC at February 06, 2013 10:15 AM (fWAjv)

123 We do not bleach underwear because it is white.

Underwear is white so we can bleach it.

So THAT'S where the colored underwear go!

Posted by: rickb223 at February 06, 2013 10:16 AM (GFM2b)

124 This is why illegal aliens will take over CA. I've
seen day laborer dudes in LA bars that could lick tequila off of a dog's
ass and not be phased by the filth in American cities. Posted by: Fritz at February 06, 2013 10:08 AM (UzPAd)

That immunity does fade. A friend at work, a native of India, went home to visit his parents. He got some food from a favorite street cart vendor close to their home. Food that he had eaten dozens of times before he legally immigrated to America. He got so sick with dysentery he almost died. The next time he went to visit, he only ate food that he watched his Mother prepare.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at February 06, 2013 10:16 AM (kXoT0)

125
Check your kids' bedroom, under the mattress.
Posted by: EC at February 06, 2013 10:15 AM (GQ8sn)

Prolly the only place I havn't looked.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 06, 2013 10:16 AM (l86i3)

126 As for people getting sick, once a month I Lysol the hell out of the bags and use a bleach solution on the cooler. Problem solved, but the navel gazers at the local newspaper say we must replace the reusable bags every couple of months.
Posted by: MrCaniac at February 06, 2013 09:43 AM That's probably not good enough. It doesn't take that long for the bacteria to multiply and if you use the bag more than once without washing it you're taking a risk. Let's say you use it for plastic bagged meat, No problem right? Except you handled themeat when you bagged it so the plastic bag has the bacteria on the outside.Maybe you don't put anything you think will be contaminated in with the meat. But let's say the next time you use that same bag for cereal or crackers. Now the outside of those boxes are contaminated from the bacteria growing from the meat which you thought was carefully bagged. You open the box which has the bacteria growing on the outside and spread it with your hands to the inside wrapper. That's an extreme example but you get the idea. It's a no win situation unless you use the bags only for frozen food, usethem only for fruit and veggies you're going to wash first, or wash the bagsafter each use. The best answer is to recylce the plastic bags.

Posted by: Deanna at February 06, 2013 10:16 AM (LwfqA)

127 Check your kids' bedroom, under the mattress.

Posted by: EC at February 06, 2013 10:15 AM (GQ8sn)


Uhhhh oh.

Posted by: RWC at February 06, 2013 10:16 AM (fWAjv)

128 Gah!!, Panic strikin this morning, I lost my wallet, FARK!!!
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 06, 2013 10:14 AM (l86i3)



Okay. Breathe. In and out. Nice and calm. Did you check under the car seat? Or in the freezer? What, it's not like I've ever been putting things away and accidentally put my little billfold thingy on top of the ice cream. *shiftyeyes*

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 06, 2013 10:16 AM (VtjlW)

129 Gah!!, Panic strikin this morning, I lost my wallet, FARK!!!
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 06, 2013 10:14 AM (l86i3)



oy


Posted by: beach shopper at February 06, 2013 10:17 AM (LpQbZ)

130 but would you hire a CEO from a uniform manufacturer to tun the Pentagon ?

Posted by: Inside the Ring at February 06, 2013 10:15 AM (e8kgV)
----Not when a dumb-ass ex-Senator will do just fine!

Posted by: RioBravo at February 06, 2013 10:17 AM (eEfYn)

131 Okay. Breathe. In and out. Nice and calm. Did you check under the car seat? Or in the freezer? What, it's not like I've ever been putting things away and accidentally put my little billfold thingy on top of the ice cream. *shiftyeyes*
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 06, 2013 10:16 AM (VtjlW)

Yep, tore the place apart. I think I'm going to start cancelling cards.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 06, 2013 10:18 AM (l86i3)

132 Sorry about the run-on paragraphs I can't seem to get the stupid spacing or anything to work here. Tried html but that only makes it more of a mess.

Posted by: Deanna at February 06, 2013 10:18 AM (LwfqA)

133 OSP,

You came home last night with your wallet, right? Then relax! It's in your house....somewhere.

Did you maybe use your wallet during the ride home? Sometimes I buy something at a drive-through and I have to pull my wallet out of my backpocket which means I have to unbuckle the seat belt. I don't want to go through the hassle of putting it back in my pocket again, so I leave it on the center console in the cup-holder.

Posted by: EC at February 06, 2013 10:19 AM (GQ8sn)

134 The business experience is a plus, but would you hire a CEO from a uniform manufacturer to tun the Pentagon ?
Posted by: Inside the Ring at February 06, 2013 10:15 AM (e8kgV)


What's her opinion on eminent domain, offshore oil drilling, and fracking? Because I don't think marketing fleece jackets to hikers is at quite the same level of expertise as negotiating for (or against, as the case would be) the Keystone pipeline.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 06, 2013 10:19 AM (4df7R)

135 You always find it in the last place you look.





Why yes, yes I do deserve to be punched.

Posted by: RWC at February 06, 2013 10:19 AM (fWAjv)

136 Sorry about the run-on paragraphs I can't seem to get the stupid spacing
or anything to work here. Tried html but that only makes it more of a
mess.


Double space between paragraphs.

Posted by: EC at February 06, 2013 10:20 AM (GQ8sn)

137 lauraw, I will order a metric fuckton of leather and baby seal bags. You know what would be perfect? To put veal in a baby seal bag

I just flew in from a weekend of baby seal clubbing, and boy are my arms tired!

*Rimshot*

Thank you, thank you very much! Club the veal.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at February 06, 2013 10:20 AM (NF2Bf)

138 The best answer is to recylce the plastic bags.

--

Actually, the best answer is to let the consumer do whatever the hell they want with the bags (you know other than littering).

I like to use them to clean up the dog poop in the back yard. Or to give to my infant to shake because he likes the noise. Of course, now the left will think I'm a terrible parent because he could put it over his head and suffocate. Which would be a problem if I gave him a bag and left him alone unattended. Do whatever you want with your plastic bags. Just leave me alone.

Posted by: SH at February 06, 2013 10:20 AM (gmeXX)

139 FOUND IT, YEAH!!, sittin right next to my wife who I thought would actually look around by where she was sitting. I'm not gonna yell, I'm not gonna yell I'm not gonna yell.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 06, 2013 10:21 AM (l86i3)

140 Yep, tore the place apart. I think I'm going to start cancelling cards.

Check the last pair of pants you wore. I tend to leave it in the kahki's I wear to work when I switch to jeans or shorts when I get home. And have went to work the following morning without it because it was still in the jeans.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 06, 2013 10:21 AM (GFM2b)

141 FOUND IT, YEAH!!, sittin right next to my wife


Hmmm.....

I would still cancel the cards if I were you.

Posted by: EC at February 06, 2013 10:21 AM (GQ8sn)

142 Right before they imposed a dime tax on bags, two goofs knocked on door asking me to sign a petition to increase it to a quarter. They acted shocked that I refused to sign it.

Sod off, swampies!

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 06, 2013 10:22 AM (evdj2)

143
I would still cancel the cards if I were you.
Posted by: EC at February 06, 2013 10:21 AM (GQ8sn)


Meh, there her cards anyway, I don't make any money.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 06, 2013 10:22 AM (l86i3)

144 I don't think that norovirus attacks the liver. There was some speculation about that, but the cases where liver damage was present were due to hepatitis occurring in conjunction with norovirus.

Posted by: navybrat at February 06, 2013 10:22 AM (0pxtK)

145 139 FOUND IT, YEAH!!, sittin right next to my wife who I thought would actually look around by where she was sitting. I'm not gonna yell, I'm not gonna yell I'm not gonna yell.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 06, 2013 10:21 AM (l86i3)

LOL. Never assume, with anyone.

Posted by: RWC at February 06, 2013 10:22 AM (fWAjv)

146 Meh, there her cards anyway, I don't make any money.


All the more reason to cancel the cards!!!!

Posted by: EC at February 06, 2013 10:23 AM (GQ8sn)

147 This is yet another Govt. late to the party fuck up. The bags have ALREADY been re-formulated to

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biodegradable_bags

Posted by: DaveA at February 06, 2013 10:24 AM (JJdOG)

148 OSP - Serenity Now.

Posted by: SH at February 06, 2013 10:24 AM (gmeXX)

149 re the norovirus -- both my parents caught it last month, probably while at a buffet. It did almost kill my dad, who's health is none too good. My mom said 'you almost got your inheritance'.

re the plastic bags -- My mom neatly folds* them into little squares. She then donates them to places like Goodwill and SA for their use in their retail outlets. She does this not because she is a greenie but is frugal and kind hearted.

*She folds them so neatly that I accuse her of ironing them.

Posted by: GnuBreed at February 06, 2013 10:24 AM (ccXZP)

150 @137 Can you say "hakapik"? I think you can.

Posted by: Thorvald at February 06, 2013 10:24 AM (1V6Pv)

151 Gah!!, Panic strikin this morning, I lost my wallet, FARK!!!

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 06, 2013 10:14 AM (l86i3)

have small children? maybe under the couch with the credit cards missing but found in the dvd player or used as a the floor in that lego building.

i lost my keyes one day. looked everywhere , had locks rekeyed, next week i was mowing the lawn and the ring of keys were stuck on the chain link fence wire.
tots!

Posted by: ette at February 06, 2013 10:24 AM (nqBYe)

152 You are insulting hares when you compare their schemes to those of Greenies.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - there on Thunder Island! at February 06, 2013 10:25 AM (hLRSq)

153 oh, wife heh.

next time i will blame the dog.

Posted by: ette at February 06, 2013 10:26 AM (nqBYe)

154 Obama once misplaced his golf clubs.

Ha! They were right under Michelle's butt cheek. She didn't even notice. What a blooper.

Posted by: Opus An Arcus at February 06, 2013 10:26 AM (9Hh8J)

155 I had norovirus last year. Mine was probably very tame case, in that it only lasted about 48 hours. Man, it SUCKED. Projectile vomiting? Yep. Unspeakable bathroom excretions? Check. Nearly passing out more than once from dehydration and/or exhaustion? You betcha.

I do not recommend it.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 06, 2013 10:26 AM (4df7R)

156 I had norovirus last year. Mine was probably very
tame case, in that it only lasted about 48 hours. Man, it SUCKED.
Projectile vomiting? Yep. Unspeakable bathroom excretions? Check. Nearly
passing out more than once from dehydration and/or exhaustion? You
betcha.



I do not recommend it.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 06, 2013 10:26 AM


If you had to pick between norovirus and peanut allergies...?

Posted by: EC at February 06, 2013 10:27 AM (GQ8sn)

157 re the plastic bags -- My mom neatly folds* them into little squares. She then donates them to places like Goodwill and SA for their use in their retail outlets. She does this not because she is a greenie but is frugal and kind hearted


---

That's great. And if greenies want to recycle the bags or not use them. That's great too. Just don't tell me how to use them. I honestly can't believe that cities with all the problems they have focus on plastic bags. Actually I can believe it, I just can't believe citizens fall for it. Actually I can believe that. I can't believe we have to waste energy arguing against people over these stupid ideas.

Posted by: SH at February 06, 2013 10:27 AM (gmeXX)

158 This had been a two hour expedition through the house, gosh I hate that feelin.

On Topic, Folks that use those cloth bags immediately receive the "You are stupid hippy douche" Attitude from me. Sorry rons that use them.

To think that meat drippings left in a cloth petri dish can't mutate into some bad stuff is just silly.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 06, 2013 10:27 AM (l86i3)

159 OT Remember that NY mom missing in Turkey, looks like she was a drug smuggler. From NY Post

Mother of two Sarai Sierra, 33, was found dead from a ferocious blow to the skull in a seedy area of Istanbul last Saturday after failing to show up for a Jan. 21 flight home to New York.

“The first people she met up with were a criminal element,” the source said of Sierra, who flew to Turkey Jan. 7, then to Amsterdam on Jan. 15 and Munich on Jan. 16 before heading back to Istanbul Jan. 19.

The FBI suspects slain Staten Island mom Sarai Sierra (seen walking in Istanbul) met with criminal types in Turkey.

The FBI is in Turkey investigating the case, and is looking into a possible connection to drug trafficking — among other lines of inquiry, a source said.

“There are some witness reports that she was seen with sketchy characters,” said the source,

Posted by: Thunderb at February 06, 2013 10:28 AM (Dnbau)

160 I do not recommend it.

I dunno. It sounds like it'd be a great party gift. Maybe we could send a sample to Imadinnerjacket.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 06, 2013 10:28 AM (8y9MW)

161 I like to use them to clean up the dog poop in the back yard. Or to give to my infant to shake because he likes the noise. Of course, now the left will think I'm a terrible parent because he could put it over his head and suffocate. Which would be a problem if I gave him a bag and left him alone unattended. Do whatever you want with your plastic bags. Just leave me alone.Posted by: SH at February 06, 2013 10:20 AMActually that is recycling and what I meant. How you choose to recycle is up to you. Yeah I use themto dispose of used cat litter, to line waste baskets, to put my other recylce stuff in, etc. and a lot of stores here have recycle bins for bags so I drop them off when they start to accumulate. I only use a cloth bag lined for frozen foods so they don't thaw on the way home. I still wipe that down once in a while tough. But then I'm a bit OCD. LOL

Posted by: Deanna at February 06, 2013 10:28 AM (LwfqA)

162 Check the last pair of pants you wore. I tend to leave it in the kahki's I wear to work when I switch to jeans or shorts when I get home. And have went to work the following morning without it because it was still in the jeans.
Posted by: rickb223 at February 06, 2013 10:21 AM (GFM2b)



I have a coat that magically produces money! It's awesome!


It's not that I shove change into my coat pocket and then forget that I did that instead of putting it in my purse. Nope. The coat produces money. It's. Magic.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 06, 2013 10:28 AM (VtjlW)

163 Projectile vomiting? Yep. Unspeakable bathroom excretions? Check. Nearly passing out more than once from dehydration and/or exhaustion? You betcha.


----

You know what might come in handy at such a time --- PLASTIC BAGS that are easy to dispose.

Posted by: SH at February 06, 2013 10:29 AM (gmeXX)

164
"Which reminds me of this little tidbit about plastic and weight loss from, none other than, Dr. Oz:"
I sincerely hope that what youfound isa joke - perhaps from The Onion? Please tell me that's not being presented as "factual".

Posted by: Jess1 at February 06, 2013 10:29 AM (lbiWb)

165
“There are some witness reports that she was seen with sketchy characters,” said the source,
Posted by: Thunderb at February 06, 2013 10:28 AM (Dnbau)


That whole story has goofy printed all over it. I would have to beleive she was up to no good.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 06, 2013 10:29 AM (l86i3)

166 Okay, real question on the plastic bags:

After I bring home groceries in plastic bags, I often put them in my car to hold trash. Once they're full, I tie them up and throw them away. They're great that way.

Now, when I throw them away, I throw them in a trash can. Which usually has a plastic liner. So is the next step "reusable trash liners?"

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 06, 2013 10:30 AM (8y9MW)

167 " Everything the left does has untoward and unwarranted results, often of the catastrophic variety..."

Great list, Tsar Nic. A keeper.

Posted by: Mindful STILL banned on the desktop at February 06, 2013 10:30 AM (1s+pS)

168 159 ThunderB,

Chonny was gut poy, gut poy!~

Oh meestah please won't you help me?

I dunno...maybe if DHS was more worried with you know criminal law and less with smearing the right they could have had her safely in prison?

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 10:30 AM (LRFds)

169 Euthanize scheduled.

Fuck. Well, 18 years is a long time. (She got two extra months from when I had it scheduled last time. Fuck if I am going to have her in pain.)

Posted by: RWC at February 06, 2013 10:30 AM (fWAjv)

170 OT

Remember the Imam from the proposed Ground Zero Mosque? From the NY Post

The married founder and former religious leader of the controversial Ground Zero mosque project allegedly embezzled millions from his Muslim charity to lavish gifts on a special lady friend, buy a sports car and vacation around the globe, according to a lawsuit filed by a disgruntled financial backer.

Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf treated his Cordoba Initiative and Shariah Index Project, nonprofits meant to promote religious tolerance and fight anti-Muslim bigotry, like a personal piggy bank, the suit filed by Westchester businessman Robert Leslie Deak alleges.

Over several years, Rauf had accepted $167,000 from Deak, a self-described Muslim convert and Middle East expert who advises the Center for a New American Security and the National Defense University Foundation.

But that money was “utilized by Rauf for his personal use” along with his third wife, Daisy Khan, according to the Manhattan Supreme Court lawsuit.

Their spending was “not limited to a luxury sports car, personal real estate, entertainment, lavish trips and vacations with Evelyn Adorno and support of Evelyn Adorno, gifts and other personal uses,” the suit alleges.

“It is my information that she and Imam Feisal have a long-standing personal relationship,”

Posted by: Thunderb at February 06, 2013 10:30 AM (Dnbau)

171 "...why we can't let people make their own decisions.

Posted by: SH at February 06, 2013 10:00 AM (gmeXX)

Because you aren't smart enough to make your own decisions.

Posted by: The Ivy League at February 06, 2013 10:30 AM (GsoHv)

172 If you had to pick between norovirus and peanut allergies...?
Posted by: EC at February 06, 2013 10:27 AM (GQ8sn)


Well at least with the norovirus I never really thought I'd DIE. I just kind of WISHED I would. But then it went away and I was better. Unlike the last time I had to go to the hospital with the stupid peanut thing and the nurses were trying not to panic because my blood pressure was so low and I was starting to see pink clouds.

Also, peanut allergies mean I can't eat most chocolate. Tell me that shouldn't be a human rights violation.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 06, 2013 10:30 AM (4df7R)

173 It's not that I shove change into my coat pocket and then forget that I did that instead of putting it in my purse. Nope. The coat produces money. It's. Magic.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 06, 2013 10:28 AM (VtjlW)


When I was young, single and cool. I had a pair of leather pants like that.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 06, 2013 10:30 AM (l86i3)

174 Posted by: RWC at February 06, 2013 10:30 AM (fWAjv)


Sorry. One of the toughest things you'll ever do.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 06, 2013 10:32 AM (l86i3)

175 When I was young, single and cool. I had a pair of leather pants like that.


OH...MY!!!

Posted by: EC at February 06, 2013 10:32 AM (GQ8sn)

176 Nope. The coat produces money. It's. Magic.


I had a spate where I would put money (usually coins) in my pockets and would reach in later to find paper money. I was about half-convinced my change was copulating.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 06, 2013 10:33 AM (8y9MW)

177 "Folks that use those cloth bags immediately receive
the "You are stupid hippy douche" Attitude from me.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 06, 2013 10:27 AM (l86i3)

It's hard to avoid that assumption.

Although I will often shorten it to "you are stupid."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 06, 2013 10:34 AM (GsoHv)

178 Sorry. One of the toughest things you'll ever do.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 06, 2013 10:32 AM (l86i3)

I like to think that I am ready, but know that I'm not.

Posted by: RWC at February 06, 2013 10:34 AM (fWAjv)

179 You know what might come in handy at such a time --- PLASTIC BAGS that are easy to dispose.
Posted by: SH at February 06, 2013 10:29 AM (gmeXX)


Heh, tell me about it. Mind you my mind was elsewhere at three in the morning, in a pitch black bedroom, trying to stumble to the bathroom and managing to run headfirst into the door on the way.

I didn't make it, btw. Thank God for vinyl floors.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 06, 2013 10:34 AM (4df7R)

180 Well at least with the norovirus I never really
thought I'd DIE. I just kind of WISHED I would. But then it went away
and I was better. Unlike the last time I had to go to the hospital with
the stupid peanut thing and the nurses were trying not to panic because
my blood pressure was so low and I was starting to see pink clouds.



Also, peanut allergies mean I can't eat most chocolate. Tell me that shouldn't be a human rights violation.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 06, 2013 10:30 AM (4df7R)


Oh damn, that's too bad about the chocolate and Valentine's is around the corner. I guess sending you Reese Cups is out.

Posted by: EC at February 06, 2013 10:34 AM (GQ8sn)

181 Most of the plastic bags are LDPE.

The base material used in the production of LDPE is ethylene (C2H4).

The base material used in the production of ethylene is ethane (C2H6, i.e. a two carbon atom chain)

The principal source of ethane is natural gas (NOT dead dino oil), which contains a significant percentage of ethane along with the Methane.

Ethane can't be piped along with methane to natural gas and LNG consumers because consumer natural gas fired units can't handle its higher burn temp characteristics. The ethane has to be separated out from the mix.

The separated ethane is what becomes plastic bags and operates special ethane friendly co-gen operations at the processing plant.

Prior to the widespread adoption of plastics, the ethane was treated as a waste gas and burned off increasing CO2 emissions.

The use of plastic bags actually combats global warming by sequestering carbon that would otherwise become CO2

The leftists will never explain this manufacturing reality to you. EVER.


Posted by: @PurpAv at February 06, 2013 10:35 AM (J6hHs)

182 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUN1GrrGLcA

If Kai the homeless surfer finds out about this, it could be all over for the reuseable bag industry. smash smash su-masH!

(NSFW language)

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at February 06, 2013 10:35 AM (bGlsD)

183 MWR reminds me of another issue with reusable grocerybags. What about cross-contamination for things like nut allergies? Could lead to swollen lips and happy, fappy Morons the world 'round. So not all bad.

Posted by: mugiwara at February 06, 2013 10:35 AM (W7ffl)

184
Gah!!, Panic strikin this morning, I lost my wallet, FARK!!!
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet





"What will you do? WHAT WILL YOU DO?"

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 06, 2013 10:35 AM (kdS6q)

185 169 RWC,

It's a hard thing.

You have my sympathy.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 10:35 AM (LRFds)

186 #7 I know you meant Ronald Reagan's birthday but there were alot of famous births for February 6th (including JEB Stuart and Charles Lee). See the sock link.

Posted by: andycanuck at February 06, 2013 10:35 AM (ORGYc)

187 So unclean plastic bags and unclean fun bags cause diarrhea?

Posted by: EC at February 06, 2013 10:36 AM (GQ8sn)

188 So is the next step "reusable trash liners?"
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 06, 2013 10:30 AM (8y9MW)My cousin brings me 25-gallon bags from Del-monte that had previously held spices for spaghetti sauce. We have not bought garbage bags in years.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at February 06, 2013 10:36 AM (RG1F5)

189 ...and Babe Ruth too.

Posted by: andycanuck at February 06, 2013 10:36 AM (ORGYc)

190 Start calling these canvas bags something ominous - Death Bags.

Use their tactics against the green weenies.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 06, 2013 10:36 AM (x7WAu)

191 Obesegens? Did someone just suggest there may be factors to one's size than sloth and gluttony?

*gasp*

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 06, 2013 10:36 AM (ZKzrr)

192 So unclean plastic bags and unclean fun bags cause diarrhea?
Posted by: EC at February 06, 2013 10:36 AM (GQ8sn)

One can be avoided. The other? That's why they make Immodium.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 06, 2013 10:37 AM (l86i3)

193 re the plastic bags -- My mom neatly folds* them into little squares.
She then donates them to places like Goodwill and SA for their use in
their retail outlets. She does this not because she is a greenie but is
frugal and kind hearted


My Grandmother recycled everything. She washed the Styrofoam trays and plastic trays from food and reused them. She took the dishwater and watered her garden. Back when the cans food came in were steel, she washed them and flattened them and gave them to Grandpa who took the out to the farm and he used them to patch the barn. Of course, after you and your two sons survive the depression on 80 acres in Oklahoma with just some chickens, a garden, a milk cow, and two plow horses, you learn to be pretty darn frugal. Grandpa was a welder and he could get some work every few months, which paid the taxes and bought salt, sugar, beans, and lard. Until the day he died my Dad would talk about cutting back Blackjack oak and cedar sprouts to keep the land clear.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at February 06, 2013 10:37 AM (kXoT0)

194 181 Purp Av,

They will lie to your face if they know the truth. You cannot educate them. I took a hippy I went to college with to a manufacturing plant once.

No impact, "but it's wrong anyway!"

The most powerful words the left wields.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 10:37 AM (LRFds)

195 They've shot themselves in the foot again goal-wise also. Now they won't have plastic bags for The Killing Fields. I'm pretty sure a scrawny hippie isn't going to be able to reach around my fat neck even if I'm not resisting.

Posted by: DaveA at February 06, 2013 10:37 AM (JJdOG)

196 btw, if you check out the Rachel Corrie entry at wiki, you will have proof positive that wiki is not to be trusted as a primary source.

A group of Corrie fanbois must maintain that particular entry.

Posted by: GnuBreed at February 06, 2013 10:38 AM (ccXZP)

197 108
"Hell, when I go to the local farmer's market, I put each thing into its own bag to prevent cross contamination."
YOU EARTH8TER!!!
(heh)

Posted by: Jess1 at February 06, 2013 10:12 AM (lbiWb)


My wife's favorite snack is cantaloupe -- absolutely every year, we get this dire warning about how people are getting sick from <pick a>virus from contaminated cantaloupe.

Wife has never once been the slightest bit ill from her habit.

It turns out that if you rinse this stuff off with a bit of soap and water under the faucet before you cut it, you've just removed 99% of the problem. Works on almost everything.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 06, 2013 10:38 AM (Qxe/p)

198 My sympathies, RWC. It will be hard, but try to take comfort in knowing that she'll be romping around in a happy place when she's gone; she'll never be far from you.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 06, 2013 10:38 AM (4df7R)

199 The leftists will never explain this manufacturing reality to you. EVER.

Because then they might have to admit that "anthropogenic global warming" is bullshit.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 06, 2013 10:38 AM (ZKzrr)

200 I like to think that I am ready, but know that I'm not.
Posted by: RWC at February 06, 2013 10:34 AM (fWAjv)



I'm so sorry.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 06, 2013 10:38 AM (VtjlW)

201 Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at February 06, 2013 10:37 AM (kXoT0)


That's called Children of the Great Depression.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 06, 2013 10:38 AM (l86i3)

202 196 Gnu Breed,

Wiki is there to let liberal lies be truth...

it's an immutable law.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 10:39 AM (LRFds)

203 OT Big Sis in El Paso yesterday sayin border security is just great

U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano called Republican lawmakers' insistence that the border be secured before there is immigration reform a flawed argument.

At a stop to inspect border security in El Paso on Tuesday, Napolitano said the argument ignores gains made in illegal immigrant captures as well as seizures of drugs, weapons and currency.

She also said the argument's fundamental flaw is contending that border security is unrelated to interior enforcement such as verification of legal residence of job applicants.

Napolitano said the immigration "system as a whole is badly in need of reform." It is, she said, inextricably linked with interior enforcement, visa reform and the process for legal migration, a pathway to citizenship and earned pathway for those already here.

Posted by: Thunderb at February 06, 2013 10:41 AM (Dnbau)

204 Sarai as drug mule? Be a tragedy if true. But there is that show on National Geographic called 'Locked Up Abroad.' Plus a movie or two about prisons in Turkey.

Pray for the two kids if this proves true.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 06, 2013 10:41 AM (x7WAu)

205 accidentally put my little billfold thingy on top of the ice cream. *shiftyeyes*

Ha,
dropped it in a lake one time canoeing. Then saw it, paddled over, Hey someone lost a wallet. Doh!

Posted by: DaveA at February 06, 2013 10:41 AM (JJdOG)

206 Yep, tore the place apart. I think I'm going to start cancelling cards.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 06, 2013 10:18 AM (l86i3)



coat pockets

Posted by: beach shopper at February 06, 2013 10:42 AM (LpQbZ)

207 Oh damn, that's too bad about the chocolate and Valentine's is around the corner. I guess sending you Reese Cups is out.
Posted by: EC at February 06, 2013 10:34 AM (GQ8sn)


Heh. My family loves it when I get candy at Christmas and whatnot, because I always just hand it over to them and say, "Here, got this from a co-worker today. Can't eat it. Enjoy!" And my brother-in-law LOVES Reese's Cups. I bought him a bag of them for Christmas a few years ago. My mother flipped out. "Melissa, those are peanut!"

"Yes, mom, but they're individually wrapped and in a plastic bag. Unless they've weaponized the candy bag industry to target allergy sufferers, I'm pretty sure I'm okay."

The thing that REALLY makes people pity me is when I tell them i can't have Chinese food. Holy crap, I've said that to people and had them look at me like I just told them I had terminal brain cancer.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 06, 2013 10:42 AM (4df7R)

208 OT Big Sis in El Paso yesterday sayin border security is just great


Saw that, yet drugs are cheaper and easier to get than ever. Hmm. Must be those Guatemalan submarines.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 06, 2013 10:42 AM (l86i3)

209 coat pockets
Posted by: beach shopper at February 06, 2013 10:42 AM (LpQbZ)


I found it. In the last place I looked. sitting a foot from my wife.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 06, 2013 10:43 AM (l86i3)

210 Ah, San Francisco...
Where food can be packed in bacteria-encrusted bags, but marijuana must be stored in a baggie.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at February 06, 2013 10:44 AM (Ec6wH)

211 Oh man, now those have a death toll? Guess it's going to be growing out of the petri dish of liberalism in CA. then. They love things that kill people! (Which is why they hate guns, since people kill people).

Having small animals, I cannot expound enough on the usefulness of plastic grocery bags to clean out cages full of shavings.

Posted by: Karusky at February 06, 2013 10:44 AM (dO4L7)

212 In the last place I looked.


----

Point of Order

You ALWAYS find things in the last place you looked.


When you find it..... you stop looking.

That is all. Carry On.......

Posted by: fixerupper at February 06, 2013 10:44 AM (9MmIU)

213 Fuck. Well, 18 years is a long time. (She got two
extra months from when I had it scheduled last time. Fuck if I am going
to have her in pain.)

Posted by: RWC at February 06, 2013 10:30 AM (fWAjv)


Tears and sympathy for you...RWC. When I had to have my husband's dog put to sleep two years after his death, I thought I would die. But, she was 16.5 and she suddenly started letting out little screams at odd times, even when she was asleep. It started one evening and I could not get an appointment until 5 PM the next day.

The odd thing was, it was incredibly easy on her. I had her cremated and I slipped her ashes into a crack of the earth that had pulled away from his headstone. As much as it hurts to do what is necessary, there is incredible peace to doing the right thing.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at February 06, 2013 10:45 AM (kXoT0)

214 I found it. In the last place I looked. sitting a foot from my wife.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 06, 2013 10:43 AM (l86i3)


"You should have looked there first"
-- jwb's wife's favorite quote

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 06, 2013 10:45 AM (Qxe/p)

215 coat or jacket pockets of coat you wore last

Posted by: Thunderb at February 06, 2013 10:45 AM (Dnbau)

216 Posted by: fixerupper at February 06, 2013 10:44 AM (9MmIU)

It was an attempt at comedy. I guess I failed.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 06, 2013 10:46 AM (l86i3)

217 Holy crap, I've said that to people and had them look at me like I just told them I had terminal brain cancer.
I'm... I'm... so sorry for you, M... MWR.
8=^(
8==^(

Posted by: andycanuck at February 06, 2013 10:46 AM (ORGYc)

218 Wait, just waht is the value of a human life according to the EPA?

Posted by: The Political Hat at February 06, 2013 10:46 AM (Vk2pI)

219 Oh damn, that's too bad about the chocolate and Valentine's is around the corner. I guess sending you Reese Cups is out.
Posted by: EC at February 06, 2013 10:34 AM (GQ8sn)



It's not Valentine's Day that's just around the corner, it's the Happiest Day Of The Year aka February 15th aka half price chocolate day.

I will say this discussion is making me want to segregate my reusable bags into cloth bags that are used for boxes and other packaged stuff such as laundry stuff and reusable plastic bags that are used for groceries only with subdivisions for meat and veggies and those get washed every time I use them. I figure if I use my green Wegmans bags (*sob* I miss having a Wegmans so much *sob*) for veggies only and the other ones for other stuff, I can remember that.


Or I can continue to not actually cook for myself and make other people cook for me and lalalalalalalala I can't hear you about what those people are doing to my food. I like that idea better.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 06, 2013 10:46 AM (VtjlW)

220 So OSP, book sales since Kindle are going that well huh??

"Honey I just had to get these new shoes."

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 06, 2013 10:46 AM (x7WAu)

221 There's a reason by the Pentateuch contains so many rules about food preparation and cleanliness. You could argue that human civilization has always and must always begin with avoiding infections.

But, and this is true in nearly every sphere and on nearly every issue, liberals and leftists always seem to think that they can ignore thousands of years of civilization, so long as their intentions are good.

But it's not the intended consequences that kill you. It's the unintended consequences.

Posted by: The Regular Guy at February 06, 2013 10:47 AM (qHCyt)

222 http://tinyurl.com/b4dchyh

The Boob BC "MI-5 wants balck boxes to track 100% of UK internet traffic"

Goody that means we'll have it within 15 years then.....

Ruled Britannia!

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 10:47 AM (LRFds)

223 The thing that REALLY makes people pity me is when I tell them i can't
have Chinese food. Holy crap, I've said that to people and had them look
at me like I just told them I had terminal brain cancer.


I guess that also means pad thai is out too. Bummer, you're missing out on some really good food.

And candy!

Posted by: EC at February 06, 2013 10:47 AM (GQ8sn)

224 Point of OrderYou ALWAYS find things in the last place you looked.

For me, the last place I look is almost always somewhere I've looked three times already. So it's usually more like the fourth, tenth, twenty-second, AND last place I looked.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 06, 2013 10:47 AM (4df7R)

225 MWR, what about Thai food? Since I discovered it, I haven't gone back to Chinese...Vietnamese food's really good as well.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at February 06, 2013 10:48 AM (Ec6wH)

226 So OSP, book sales since Kindle are going that well huh??

"Honey I just had to get these new shoes."
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 06, 2013 10:46 AM (x7WAu)

Actually not bad. I've sold more Kindle faster than Dead tree.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 06, 2013 10:48 AM (l86i3)

227 No Chinese food? But . . . but what do you do for CHRISTMAS?!

Posted by: Reform Judaism at February 06, 2013 10:49 AM (QTHTd)

228 Wait, just waht is the value of a human life according to the EPA?

Posted by: The Political Hat at February 06, 2013 10:46 AM (Vk2pI)

-----
East Coast, West Coast, large cities, people of color, alternative lifstyle, registered Democrats....... priceless.
Square state rural teabagging mouthbreathers..... not so much.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 06, 2013 10:49 AM (9MmIU)

229 It's not Valentine's Day that's just around the corner, it's the
Happiest Day Of The Year aka February 15th aka half price chocolate day.


You mean National Diabetic Coma Day!

Posted by: EC at February 06, 2013 10:49 AM (GQ8sn)

230 Wait, just waht is the value of a human life according to the EPA?

Negative. You gotta pay extra to get killed by insane policy.

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 06, 2013 10:50 AM (J6hHs)

231
They get a pass on the body count because they mean well with their policy. - Every Horrible Liberal Idea.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at February 06, 2013 10:50 AM (mJkp9)

232 But, and this is true in nearly every sphere and on nearly every issue, liberals and leftists always seem to think that they can ignore thousands of years of civilization, so long as their intentions are good.

Crazy talk. The real world began sometime around the date of my birth. Like I have anything to learn from the history of old, dead, probably white, religious people.

Posted by: Leftard McFuckstick at February 06, 2013 10:50 AM (NF2Bf)

233 Cool beans on satisfying that instant gratification thing for people needing a book fix.

Managed to add about 600 words to story last night. So total this week about 1,300 to story. On top of the almost 1,300 for that story idea I jotted down. Hey its progress huh?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 06, 2013 10:51 AM (x7WAu)

234 Why don't they make grocery bags out of food, then just cook them and eact them? Such as someone's kind bladder?

Posted by: Baldy at February 06, 2013 10:51 AM (opS9C)

235 Managed to add about 600 words to story last night. So total this week
about 1,300 to story. On top of the almost 1,300 for that story idea I
jotted down. Hey its progress huh?



What is your story about?

Posted by: EC at February 06, 2013 10:51 AM (GQ8sn)

236 What, you mean a dirty old bag can cause health problems?

Posted by: Helen Thomas at February 06, 2013 10:51 AM (RFeQD)

237 Posted by: Leftard McFuckstick at February 06, 2013 10:50 AM (NF2Bf)

Come on, Ezra Klein, it's okay, you can de-sock now

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 06, 2013 10:51 AM (QTHTd)

238 Managed to add about 600 words to story last night. So total this week about 1,300 to story. On top of the almost 1,300 for that story idea I jotted down. Hey its progress huh?
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 06, 2013 10:51 AM (x7WAu)

OUTSTANDING. I would ditch Sarah for the other. Just saying. That concept is really earth shaking on so many levels.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 06, 2013 10:52 AM (l86i3)

239 EC, which one? Working on two NaNoWriMo projects. Plus a bunch of ideas and other unfinished projects.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 06, 2013 10:52 AM (x7WAu)

240 MWR, what about Thai food? Since I discovered it, I haven't gone back to Chinese...Vietnamese food's really good as well.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at February 06, 2013 10:48 AM (Ec6wH)


Nope. Can't have much Asian food at all, since the use of peanut in sauces and as garnish is very common.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 06, 2013 10:53 AM (4df7R)

241 EC, which one? Working on two NaNoWriMo projects. Plus a bunch of ideas and other unfinished projects.

Ummm...I don't know?

Posted by: EC at February 06, 2013 10:53 AM (GQ8sn)

242 Wait. Do we have an online writers' club I don't know about? Cause I want to join.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 06, 2013 10:54 AM (8y9MW)

243 Thai food is very peanut-heavy.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 06, 2013 10:54 AM (QTHTd)

244 Note.... thats an extra 5 dead from the San Francisco Ban... ie... 5 more in San Fran... now multiply that State wide...or.... Nationwide...

Could these bags kill as many per year, Nationwide, as Scary Assault Rifles?

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 06, 2013 10:55 AM (lZBBB)

245
That's not a bug, it's a feat...

Well, yeah, it is a bug... AND it's a feature!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at February 06, 2013 10:55 AM (Jcd0S)

246 it's the Happiest Day Of The Year aka February 15th aka half price chocolate day.

There's another one coming up April 1, although the 2/15 one doesn't involve cute little bunnies and lambs that go stale because I can't bring myself to bite the heads off.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 06, 2013 10:55 AM (ZKzrr)

247 Wait. Do we have an online writers' club I don't know about? Cause I want to join.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 06, 2013 10:54 AM (8y9MW)


You realize that would just add fuel to the rumor that you have a blog, right? Don't know if you want to go that route. Could be problematic.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 06, 2013 10:55 AM (4df7R)

248 Managed to add about 600 words to story last night. So total this week about 1,300 to story. On top of the almost 1,300 for that story idea I jotted down. Hey its progress huh?
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 06, 2013 10:51 AM (x7WAu)



What are you using to write? I loooooove Scrivener, particularly the little word goal thingy. Let's suppose, just as a hypothetical, that one was a wee tiny bit barely noticeably competitive. Just a wee little microscopic bit. Seeing that little line inch ever closer to completion may, possibly, hypothetically, just maybe, provide some incentive.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 06, 2013 10:56 AM (VtjlW)

249 AllenG, it is a bit informal. There is OSP, MPPPP, AlextheChick, elizabethe, Probortionary Warbler, Merovign, myself, Jehu, and a few others who's names escape me. Some are even published.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 06, 2013 10:56 AM (x7WAu)

250 You realize that would just add fuel to the rumor that you have a blog, right?

I can live with that, I suppose.

I've started working on my own novel, too.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 06, 2013 10:56 AM (8y9MW)

251 There was a large group of high school cheerleaders here that got violently ill last summer after attending a cheer leading camp. Turns out they traced it to one of the chaperone mom's reusable grocery bags.

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at February 06, 2013 10:56 AM (RZ8pf)

252 Thanks all.

Now back to the stupid shit to take my mind off it.


Shrink yourself down and fly around the insides of a 1911.

http://tinyurl.com/apxf9oo

Posted by: RWC at February 06, 2013 10:58 AM (fWAjv)

253 251 PGiS,

I'm gonna resist the urge to turn that into a joke....

"you're welcome"

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 10:58 AM (LRFds)

254 There was a large group of high school cheerleaders here that got violently ill last summer after attending a cheer leading camp. Turns out they traced it to one of the chaperone mom's reusable grocery bags.

Uh, yeah...right. The reusable grocery bags. Just so.

Posted by: Senator Menendez - Dominican Cheer Captain at February 06, 2013 10:59 AM (NF2Bf)

255 AlextheChick, I use OpenOffice because its free. Free I tell you!!

But I do have a discount for Scrivener since I did 'win' NaNoWriMo last November with 53k words of story. Just not bought the software.

So working on that November story. Which is why it takes so long to write, revising stuff.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 06, 2013 10:59 AM (x7WAu)

256

Interesting piece over at The Conversation:

Could Martial Law Be Right Around The Corner For Americans?

http://tinyurl.com/a4mkntv

FEMA camps, Drones, military operations being conducted in major cities, FHP stopping motorists to conduct routine maintenance inspections. Are these the first signs of larger, more intrusive plan to oppress Americans?

Posted by: beach at February 06, 2013 11:00 AM (LpQbZ)

257
"Turns out they traced it to one of the chaperone mom's reusable grocery bags. "


This person needs flogged in public. My handkerchief is reusable. But I WASH the thing after i use it!

Posted by: Cicero Kid at February 06, 2013 11:01 AM (RG1F5)

258
Shrink yourself down and fly around the insides of a 1911.



http://tinyurl.com/apxf9oo

Posted by: RWC at February 06, 2013 10:58 AM (fWAjv)

Cool! It was hard to tell what was happening in some spots because of the extreme close-up.

Posted by: EC at February 06, 2013 11:01 AM (GQ8sn)

259 256 Beach,

we'll see...

if so then the divorce is almost here.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 11:01 AM (LRFds)

260 So working on that November story. Which is why it takes so long to write, revising stuff.

What's that one about?

Posted by: EC at February 06, 2013 11:03 AM (GQ8sn)

261 Thanks for the vote of confidence on that story idea OSP. I want to get the two NaNoWriMo stories polished up a bit more before I try and contact the place Gushka recommended. You know have some product to peddle, not just one story.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 06, 2013 11:04 AM (x7WAu)

262
I'm pretty sure I made my feelings known on the ONT pretty clearly, but basically...

Fuck the totalitarian assholes who want to make my life far harder to make themselves feel good. And it is all about feeling good. The reusable bags aren't any bettter for the environment because they don't last long enough to get a return on the environmental costs it took to manufacture them vs a plastic bag.

So, faced with the options of either driving (global warming!) 15 miles round trip or using bacteria infested bags, I'll be driving to the suburbs.

Posted by: Lauren at February 06, 2013 11:04 AM (wsGWu)

263

Happy Ronald Reagan Day!

We need a resurrection.

Posted by: beach at February 06, 2013 11:04 AM (LpQbZ)

264 My wife uses these canvas hippy bags for groceries. I gotta send her this link. She's such a damn goof ball.

Posted by: Pipe Holder at February 06, 2013 11:05 AM (VTeUD)

265 EC. The simplest plot summary is murder at a convention. But there are plenty of complicating factors and distractions.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 06, 2013 11:06 AM (x7WAu)

266 251 There was a large group of high school cheerleaders here that got violently ill last summer after attending a cheer leading camp. Turns out they traced it to one of the chaperone mom's reusable grocery bags.

Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at February 06, 2013 10:56 AM (RZ8pf)


Girls soccer team? Or is this a different occurrence.

Posted by: RWC at February 06, 2013 11:06 AM (fWAjv)

267 So unclean plastic bags and unclean fun bags cause diarrhea?

Posted by: EC at February 06, 2013 10:36 AM (GQ8sn)



One can be avoided. The other? That's why they make Immodium. Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 06, 2013 10:37 AM (l86i3)

If I had to have carnal relations with one of those goat-facking imams, my lovely girls would be garnished with Attar of Strychnine.

Yes, women's unclean breasts are the problem, not the anus' of the boys they sodomize.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at February 06, 2013 11:07 AM (kXoT0)

268 EC. The simplest plot summary is murder at a convention. But there are plenty of complicating factors and distractions.

Colonel Mustard.

In the anteroom.

With the candlestick holder.

Posted by: EC at February 06, 2013 11:07 AM (GQ8sn)

269 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 06, 2013 11:04 AM (x7WAu)

OSP says "Too many Irons in the fire puts out the flame." You write so well, FOCUS.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 06, 2013 11:07 AM (l86i3)

270 Looks like someone's been breaking into their old Heart collection lately.

Posted by: eleven at February 06, 2013 11:08 AM (KXm42)

271 You realize that would just add fuel to the rumor
that you have a blog, right? Don't know if you want to go that route.
Could be problematic.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 06, 2013 10:5

Just another anonymous, nameless, faceless individual on a website.

Posted by: Senator Menenendez hoochie koo at February 06, 2013 11:08 AM (bGlsD)

272 Cool! It was hard to tell what was happening in some spots because of the extreme close-up.

Posted by: EC at February 06, 2013 11:01 AM (GQ8sn)


Have you seen this time sink?

http://tinyurl.com/p6x3gu

Posted by: RWC at February 06, 2013 11:09 AM (fWAjv)

273
plastic bags

brb, flossin my teeth

Posted by: soothsayer takes a load off granny at February 06, 2013 11:09 AM (0nyYS)

274 We are a plague of the Earth. Us dying due to prog policies is a feature not a bug.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 06, 2013 11:09 AM (0q2P7)

275 Oh before I forget. Tonight the Powerball jackpot is $208 million annuity. Or $130.7 million cash.

And a ticket bought in Lansing, MI won the $19 million Mega Million annuity last night.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 06, 2013 11:09 AM (x7WAu)

276 Have you seen this time sink?



http://tinyurl.com/p6x3gu

Posted by: RWC at February 06, 2013 11:09 AM (fWAjv)

Yeah, I was given that link by the morons here when I was shopping around. Too bad you can't buy any of that now. It's all "back ordered".

Posted by: EC at February 06, 2013 11:10 AM (GQ8sn)

277 But I do have a discount for Scrivener since I did 'win' NaNoWriMo last November with 53k words of story. Just not bought the software.


I think it's totally worth the $20 but ymmv. The outlining features are great and the name generator provides hours of avoiding actually writing fun!

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 06, 2013 11:10 AM (VtjlW)

278 Could Martial Law Be Right Around The Corner For Americans?



http://tinyurl.com/a4mkntv



FEMA camps, Drones, military operations being conducted in major
cities, FHP stopping motorists to conduct routine maintenance
inspections. Are these the first signs of larger, more intrusive plan
to oppress Americans?

Posted by: beach at February 06, 2013 11:00 AM (LpQbZ)
It will be so much easier to manage if we all just do the right thing and turn in our icky guns and any ammo.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at February 06, 2013 11:11 AM (kXoT0)

279 Colonel Salmonella

In the hot parking lot

With the cloth shopping bag

FTFY

Posted by: eleven at February 06, 2013 11:11 AM (KXm42)

280 The strange thing is, the market being the ultimate driver of invention, people have found ways to creatively reuse plastic bags.
'Round these parts you can drop your bags off at the grocery store, where a company compresses them (and/or melts I forget) and turns them into the material that plastic decking and the new picnic tables are made out of.
It's a win/win for them, they basically get their materials for free and the market for cheap-ish durable materials is...well high.

Even though higher upfront costs I recall seeing that those plastic picnic tables save money in the long run because you could take a freaken hunting knife to them and barely make a dent (as opposed to wooden tables...which..well you know.)

And plastic decking is picking up (at least in the midwest) due to the low maintenance of it.

But the environment or something is harmed because I use plastic bags.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 06, 2013 11:12 AM (wGOqj)

281 Hear about the aggie who accidentally kept killing the ugly women he brought home. Heused plastic bags to cover their heads.

Posted by: polynikes at February 06, 2013 11:13 AM (m2CN7)

282 And a ticket bought in Lansing, MI won the $19 million Mega Million annuity last night. Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 06, 2013 11:09 AM (x7WAu)

A couple in Arkansas won a $1,000,000 and a $50,000 jackpot from the same set of scratch off purchases. Even if the taxes took half, that leaves them with 525K.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at February 06, 2013 11:13 AM (kXoT0)

283 1000s if not 10000+ in Annapolis today to support 2A.


Nice smile here :-)

Posted by: RWC at February 06, 2013 11:13 AM (fWAjv)

284 In other news out of California, DreamWorks is planning major layoffs after a bummer summer.

It's pinning its hopes on The Croods.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at February 06, 2013 11:14 AM (Ec6wH)

285 A couple in Arkansas won a $1,000,000 and a $50,000 jackpot from the
same set of scratch off purchases. Even if the taxes took half, that
leaves them with 525K.


They'll be swimming in pork rinds.

Posted by: eleven at February 06, 2013 11:14 AM (KXm42)

286 284 BFM,

I'll do my part to help....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 11:15 AM (LRFds)

287 Speaking of not having a blog.

I've heard a lot of Conservatives saying some variation of "Well, I could be okay with Amnesty if there weren't also a path to citizenship." If I did have a blog, I might address that idea.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 06, 2013 11:16 AM (8y9MW)

288 EC and eleven, LOL. Sounds like you two should get to writing some stories.

Yes OSP sensei. Too many ideas. Focusing on finishing the convention story. Then back to the noir kinda one.

Alexthechick, got the free software Amazon Studios recommended for screenplay writing, it also does comics and novels. And truthfully figuring out all the formatting bells and whistles to make writing easier has done more to destroy my flow of thought than AoS or television has ever done. So I keep it simple and merely write.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 06, 2013 11:16 AM (x7WAu)

289 In the minds of many environmentalists such as David Attenborough, we--you and me, humanity in general--are the virus, a kind of voracious malignancy. Michelle Malkin once pointed out the very anti-human undercurrent in the modern 'green' movement, an anti-humanity that seems to encompass the entire Left.

Those people who died as a result of this idiotic policy are sacrifices to Mother Gaia, I suppose. And those poor people who can't pay their heating bills or can't afford to buy food without food stamps because cheap energy production is being stymied and blocked at every turn? Same thing. Even now, the UN is actively discouraging dam construction in African countries desperately in need of infrastructure becauseruling elites find the whole idea of dams hateful and repugnant.

They hate us, all of us. And since they hate humanity, they hate themselves. Thus, natural appreciation of the beauty and bounty of nature we all feel has been perverted intoan all-pervasiveself-loathing. To mitigate this self-loathing, sacrifices must be made. It's all very pagan, really, and ultimately genocidal.

Posted by: troyriser at February 06, 2013 11:18 AM (vtiE6)

290 Posted by: eleven at February 06, 2013 11:14 AM (KXm42)

And in NO other news will it talk about how many Poor people are wasting money on the lottery... one where if you had the same odds in Vegas, you would be in Jail....

Nor the fact that the same Government who prohibits a normal citizen from Having a Poker game in many places, lets Indians have Casinos (Race based double standard in the Law), but also runs gambling itself in the Lottery.

I call the Lottery a 'Tax on the Stupid'.

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 06, 2013 11:18 AM (lZBBB)

291 a cost-benefit analysis employing the same estimate of the value of a human life that the Environmental Protection Agency uses

I'm guessing that this value is the basis of the government's claim that there is no inflation.

Posted by: t-bird at February 06, 2013 11:19 AM (FcR7P)

292 1000s if not 10000+ in Annapolis today to support 2A.

Like Martin O'Fuckstick cares.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 06, 2013 11:19 AM (B/VB5)

293 I keep seeing the trailer for The Croods and just want to gag. Crood, oh that is them being clever with the word 'crude' perhaps? And the ginger girl is such an air-headed Valley Girl, its like oh my gosh I so want to gag on the spoon okay? I am so going to pass on this movie.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 06, 2013 11:19 AM (x7WAu)

294 @17

Aaron Burr?
Babe Ruth?
Bob Marley? Oh wait he wasn't white
Tom Brokaw? Oh wait he's not dead
Surely google wouldn't dream of putting Reagan up there!

Posted by: Weew at February 06, 2013 11:20 AM (ZsBwc)

295 By the way. Why do I keep seeing the COBRA symbol on billboards? Is there another GI Joe movie coming out that I haven't heard about?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 06, 2013 11:21 AM (8y9MW)

296 But washing the heap of reusable cloth bags in the back of the car?

How many millions did we spend teaching Africans to wash their sacks? We need to expand that program, it seems.

Posted by: t-bird at February 06, 2013 11:22 AM (FcR7P)

297 Are you sure those are COBRA signs and not TFG signs?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 06, 2013 11:23 AM (x7WAu)

298 Is there another GI Joe movie coming out that I haven't heard about?

Yup, with Bruce Willis.

Posted by: Waterhouse at February 06, 2013 11:23 AM (xGlYu)

299 By the way. Why do I keep seeing the COBRA symbol on billboards? Is
there another GI Joe movie coming out that I haven't heard about?



Yes. The one with The Rock and Bruce Willis.

Posted by: EC at February 06, 2013 11:23 AM (GQ8sn)

300 Are you sure those are COBRA signs and not TFG signs?

TFG ain't that cool.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 06, 2013 11:23 AM (8y9MW)

301 Along with an old Army buddy, Haddad was selected earlier this year to be a guest of honor at the dinner by the Philadelphia chapter of Blue Star Mothers and the Union League’s Armed Services Council.
-------

But in TFGs America...

Nathan Haddad, a decorated combat veteran, was arrested earlier this month in New York for possessing unloaded 30-round magazines. Mr. Haddad, who has been recognized by the Army for his selfless acts of generosity to fellow soldiers, was charged with five felony counts of possession of “high-capacity” magazines.

Posted by: RWC at February 06, 2013 11:23 AM (fWAjv)

302 Yes. The one with The Rock and Bruce Willis.

I thought that had already come out.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 06, 2013 11:24 AM (8y9MW)

303 297 Are you sure those are COBRA signs and not TFG signs?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 06, 2013 11:23 AM (x7WAu)


I always thought he would make a good Baroness.

Posted by: RWC at February 06, 2013 11:25 AM (fWAjv)

304 One of my favorite pastimes is sneering at envirohippies here in California while they use their reusable bags and tell them how much they are hurting the environment by washing those bags repeatedly every time they go to the store.* Then I put my groceries in green renewable paper bags that were supposedly the bane of Gaia circa 1982 and dare them to retort.

*I know the sick dirty F*ks don't wash them, and just go around spreading disease but they won't admit that.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 06, 2013 11:26 AM (0q2P7)

305 301 RWC,

Yeah it scares me I have several Hi Cap mags, the Army's ambivalence WRT this enrages me.

The Hi Command being so eager to suck TFG off pisses me off.

All the sniping and bullshit leaking during Bush and during this shit?

*crickets*

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 11:27 AM (LRFds)

306 I thought that had already come out.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 06, 2013 11:24 AM (8y9MW)



It was supposed to come out last summer and then they decided to make it 3D so there was a bunch of reshooting that was done. That's the story anyway I presume it sucks donkey balls so they are dumping it into the March nothing's at the movies hole to try to get as much money as they can.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 06, 2013 11:27 AM (VtjlW)

307 302 Yes. The one with The Rock and Bruce Willis.

I thought that had already come out.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 06, 2013 11:24 AM (8y9MW)

It was delayed. Supposed to come out last June.

Posted by: RWC at February 06, 2013 11:27 AM (fWAjv)

308 Slappy the Squirrel takes on Siskel and Ebert.
http://youtu.be/FTjdJh80No8

And on laser disc to boot!

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 06, 2013 11:27 AM (x7WAu)

309 I thought that had already come out.

March 28.

Posted by: EC at February 06, 2013 11:27 AM (GQ8sn)

310 That's the story anyway I presume it sucks donkey balls so they are
dumping it into the March nothing's at the movies hole to try to get as
much money as they can.


Hmmm... I kinda like The Rock's movies (don't judge me), and Bruce Willis just shot up my "to be supported" list with his refusal to back gun bans. I may have to spend some coin on that.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 06, 2013 11:28 AM (8y9MW)

311 RWC, if he borrows one of Michelle's wigs and eeewww.... I just gagged thinking of Michelle having a Ms. Peel type cat-suit.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 06, 2013 11:29 AM (x7WAu)

312 I always thought he would make a good Baroness.

NONONONO!!!! Don't ruin one my childhood fantasies about The Baroness!

She was my first exposure to "foreign" girls with that eurotrash accent of hers. That, and the way her uniform was drawn to look extremely form fitting over those double D fun bags that were in all likelihood very unclean.

Posted by: EC at February 06, 2013 11:31 AM (GQ8sn)

313 311 Ms Puma,

Now imagine him petting Michelle's kitty....

"you're welcome..."

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 11:32 AM (LRFds)

314 Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 11:27 AM (LRFds)


I'd like to know how the cops knew he had them.

Inanimate piece of metal.

RUN!

Posted by: RWC at February 06, 2013 11:32 AM (fWAjv)

315 312 EC,

Yeah it's kinda where my Estrich fetish in my misspent youth came from....

"I will save her and convert her to light!"


Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 11:33 AM (LRFds)

316 Shoot, should grocers just start calling the plastic bags "disposable bags" to make them acceptable (for public health)? Disposable bags for your vegetables and meats does make sense doesn't it?

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at February 06, 2013 11:33 AM (9eDbm)

317 Open thread please?

Posted by: Truman North, by golly at February 06, 2013 11:33 AM (ICS/J)

318 *I know the sick dirty F*ks don't wash them, and just go around spreading disease but they won't admit that. Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 06, 2013 11:26 AM (0q2P7)

Look at some of the worst of them, if they don't wash the feet they put in their filthy sandals, wash their hair, or use deodorant, there is zero chance of them washing grocery bags.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at February 06, 2013 11:34 AM (kXoT0)

319 Hmmm... I kinda like The Rock's movies (don't judge me),


Why would I judge you? I actually watched and enjoyed Journey 2 last night. I love Mr. The Rock Sir.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 06, 2013 11:34 AM (VtjlW)

320 311 RWC, if he borrows one of Michelle's wigs and eeewww.... I just gagged thinking of Michelle having a Ms. Peel type cat-suit.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 06, 2013 11:29 AM (x7WAu)


You're welcome.

http://tinyurl.com/aprfmhn

Posted by: RWC at February 06, 2013 11:35 AM (fWAjv)

321 I hate this issue.

"Do you need bags today, sir?"

How they fuck else am I going to get all this shit into my house, young lady?

"I have to charge you five cents per bag, then."

Here's five dollars. GIVE ME ONE HUNDRED BAGS. Quintuple bag my shit, and make it snappy.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 06, 2013 11:35 AM (BushJ)

322 314 RWC,

the cops used the same justification they use for "spot checks" which SCotUS has upheld...

the 4th has been so chipped away and the concept of LE restraint being an ideal to uphold so deteriorated we're in a soft police state anyway....

Barky's just honest about giving in to partisan fantasies about the 'correct police state"...

Part of why I suspect Luap Nor is a $oro$ plot to split the right and alienate Libertarians from SoCons so hard.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 11:35 AM (LRFds)

323 317 Open thread please?

----------

I was just thinking the other day that we need an Ewok signal signal that we can light up when it's time for someone to light up the Ewok signal...

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at February 06, 2013 11:36 AM (IrbU4)

324 And in NO other news will it talk about how many Poor people are wasting money on the lottery

It's not like they need their money for food or medicine or heat or phones or anything; that's all covered.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 06, 2013 11:36 AM (ZKzrr)

325 "It's not Valentine's Day that's just around the corner, it's the
Happiest Day Of The Year aka February 15th aka half price chocolate day."

But...but...that's the first Friday of Lent...*sob*

Posted by: delayna at February 06, 2013 11:37 AM (KnC4k)

326 323 CA,

a safe word...

PALAMINO!

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 11:37 AM (LRFds)

327 But...but...that's the first Friday of Lent...*sob*

Pick something else!

Posted by: EC at February 06, 2013 11:37 AM (GQ8sn)

328 We should call them gluten-free health bags

Posted by: Truman North, by golly at February 06, 2013 11:38 AM (ICS/J)

329 But...but...that's the first Friday of Lent...*sob*

So buy it and wait two days!

Posted by: Colorado Alex at February 06, 2013 11:39 AM (hpDVh)

330 http://tinyurl.com/aprfmhn Posted by: RWC at February 06, 2013 11:35 AM (fWAjv)

I hate that photo. In it, she is copying Beyonce's signature move of looking down shyly prior to tossing her hair, raising her face, and trying to look fierce while lipsyncing the hell out of one of her overproduced songs. Do not get me wrong, I also loathe B.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at February 06, 2013 11:39 AM (kXoT0)

331 307 302 Yes. The one with The Rock and Bruce Willis.

I thought that had already come out.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 06, 2013 11:24 AM (8y9MW)

It was delayed. Supposed to come out last June.

---

Wondered what was taking so long... The Rock was in town filming that one around 2 years ago.

Main reason I knew that was that one of the women who used to sit across from me went to the YMCA across the street from the office, where he was working out, to stalk him for a picture

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 06, 2013 11:41 AM (e0xKF)

332 And in NO other news will it talk about how many Poor people are wasting money on the lottery

Or at the casinos or riverboats... I buy lottery tickets, mainly for fun, but, then again, I can afford them.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at February 06, 2013 11:41 AM (kXoT0)

333 The other major problem with the study is using that
data to "estimate" (or perhaps "fabricate" is a better word) 'x' number
of deaths attributable to the cloth bags.



Just sayin'

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 06, 2013 09:56 AM (qqZuQ)

That study is probably every bit as good, if not better, than the studies originally used to enact the plastic bag bans.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 06, 2013 11:41 AM (673KB)

334 330 Sherry McEvil,

Benonce uses that routine to fool foreign personnel as to her intent....

Chay-Zee too.....

I'm just glad we have such selfless agents as the Vegas contingent on the case of Benghazi

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 11:41 AM (LRFds)

335 326 323 CA,

a safe word...

PALAMINO!

---

Did someone say palomino?

Posted by: Palomino Pelosi at February 06, 2013 11:41 AM (e0xKF)

336 Wondered what was taking so long... The Rock was in town filming that one around 2 years ago.

Main reason I knew that was that one of the women who used to sit across from me went to the YMCA across the street from the office, where he was working out, to stalk him for a picture
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 06, 2013 11:41 AM (e0xKF)


Was that the big-ass rock that someone hauled to LA to call 'art'? I keed.

Posted by: model_1066 at February 06, 2013 11:43 AM (7xPCu)

337 It's not like they need their money for food or medicine or heat or phones or anything; that's all covered.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 06, 2013 11:36 AM (ZKzrr)



I was going to say quality snark but then I realized you were just pointing out the facts and now I'm going to go put my face into that there bag of cookies.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 06, 2013 11:43 AM (VtjlW)

338 314 RWC,

the cops used the same justification they use for "spot checks" which SCotUS has upheld...

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 11:35 AM (LRFds


Isn't that swell.

Posted by: RWC at February 06, 2013 11:43 AM (fWAjv)

339 Bah, I hate this anti plastic bag stuff. I remember as a kid during the 80s in CA. It was all about saving the Oregon trees and plastic would save the environment. Now plastic is evil, trees are renewable (but still not as good) and cloth is all the rage, at a cost (lives and money). I still use paper bags most of the time at grocery stores.

Posted by: JS at February 06, 2013 11:44 AM (4+QQ8)

340 so I was watching the Martian Chronicles....

I'm trying to figure out if the GOP is the Martians....the 2d expedition, or the poor sods on Earth who get nuked....?

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 11:44 AM (LRFds)

341 Any Pal o' Meeno is a Pal o' Mine-o!

Posted by: Cpl Agarn at February 06, 2013 11:45 AM (RG1F5)

342 338 RWC,

Very much so....

remember we mustn't judge radical muslim clerics here preaching their little bundle of fun, we must not judge african-americans based on gang like appearences, but by God if you have a 30 shot mag you're a felon....never mind that 30 round mags are part of issue TA-50....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 11:46 AM (LRFds)

343 The other major problem with the study is using that

data to "estimate" (or perhaps "fabricate" is a better word) 'x' number

of deaths attributable to the cloth bags.





Just sayin'



Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 06, 2013 09:56 AM (qqZuQ)

That study is probably every bit as good, if not better, than the studies originally used to enact the plastic bag bans.


Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 06, 2013 11:41 AM (673KB)


There's another study like this. I was arguing with a libtard on another forum and he brought up that Harvard Medical study where it said 45k people die every year because they have no health insurance.
That number seemed high to me, too high to be just ignored by the media. So I dug into the paper. Turns out, the authors are docs who support single payer, and have advocated for it through a lobby group. But putting aside the bias of the authors, I looked into the method they used. They calculated a "hazard ratio" and then took a sample size of 9000 people. They interviewed them only once and found that about 350 of them, who had no insurance coverage, died around 10 years later. They crunched some numbers and then applied this to US census data and came up with their figure of 45,000 people dying in the US.
It was a bullshit paper. They never followed up with their subjects to see if they ever got coverage during the 10 year time, if they ever received any care, or even the exact cause of death. Holes. Full of them.

Posted by: EC at February 06, 2013 11:47 AM (GQ8sn)

344 Hey, Gabe, Ace or any sentient cob: This is a swell takedown of Karl Rove and his little elite henchman Steven Law, who have decided that THEY will decide who is the most conservative candidate who can be elected in a particular race. One of Levin's best: http://bit.ly/VV6zBB

Primo Sidebar material

Posted by: RushBabe at February 06, 2013 11:48 AM (tQHzJ)

345 339 Bah, I hate this anti plastic bag stuff. I remember as a kid during the 80s in CA. It was all about saving the Oregon trees and plastic would save the environment. Now plastic is evil, trees are renewable (but still not as good) and cloth is all the rage, at a cost (lives and money). I still use paper bags most of the time at grocery stores.
Posted by: JS at February 06, 2013 11:44 AM (4+QQ

When you get right down to it, envirotards are absolutely convinced that everything humans do is evil...except for them, of course. They're all caring and stuff.

Posted by: model_1066 at February 06, 2013 11:48 AM (7xPCu)

346 339 Bah, I hate this anti plastic bag stuff. I remember as a kid during the 80s in CA. It was all about saving the Oregon trees and plastic would save the environment. Now plastic is evil, trees are renewable (but still not as good) and cloth is all the rage, at a cost (lives and money). I still use paper bags most of the time at grocery stores.

---

A lot of this, as mentioned in the thread last night, is that whatever we're doing is always wrong and that the lefties insist they are the ones who will show us the light.

Granted, I think one of the other parents at my kid's school as the right idea with regards to a lot of this green stupidity. She works for Georgia Pacific's mill outside of town and has a bumper sticker reading "Don't like logging? Try wiping with a plastic bag."

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 06, 2013 11:48 AM (e0xKF)

347 NONONONO!!!! Don't ruin one my childhood fantasies about The Baroness!

Posted by: EC at February 06, 2013 11:31 AM (GQ8sn)

You'll take Lady Jaye and like it mister!!


http://tinyurl.com/av3laq6

Posted by: RWC at February 06, 2013 11:48 AM (fWAjv)

348 One lottery story I shall share. Mississippi will not allow either Mega or Powerball to be sold in the state. But Louisiana sells both. So like many other residents of the Magnolia state, I was across the state line buying tickets for the Powerball. And I see a familiar BMW in the gas station's parking lot. Go inside and bump into the owner of the BMW who was there with his wife. The owner of car was a national guard one star general.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 06, 2013 11:48 AM (x7WAu)

349 O/T for EC. Probably NSFW by most standards.

http://tinyurl.com/bkr3fn8

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Keeper of Ampersands and Breitbart Login Spaces at February 06, 2013 11:48 AM (GBXon)

350 * not that the low-water low-energy washing machines or the "eco-friendly" detergent-free laundry product can get anything clean... Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 06, 2013 09:45 AM (ZKzrr)

Semi-related....this is why I buy Cascade WITH PHOSPHATES at Re-StockIt.

Screw the enviroweenies.

Washing a full dishwasher load three times because it doesn't come clean with one or two passes isn't Gaia friendly anyway.

Just curious, can the Horde name a single lefty program that has ever worked as intended.... with no negative externalities?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 06, 2013 11:50 AM (sbV1u)

351 "It's not Valentine's Day that's just around the corner, it's the
Happiest Day Of The Year aka February 15th aka half price chocolate day."

But...but...that's the first Friday of Lent...*sob*

Give up Jack in the Box french fries. Shouldn't be too hard.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 06, 2013 11:50 AM (GFM2b)

352 348 One lottery story I shall share. Mississippi will not allow either Mega or Powerball to be sold in the state. But Louisiana sells both. So like many other residents of the Magnolia state, I was across the state line buying tickets for the Powerball. And I see a familiar BMW in the gas station's parking lot. Go inside and bump into the owner of the BMW who was there with his wife. The owner of car was a national guard one star general.

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Anna, which border area are you talking about?

I know that the Chevron on I-59 between Slidell and Picayune does a brisk business in lotto tickets.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 06, 2013 11:51 AM (e0xKF)

353 i can't say that this upsets me.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at work & a member of NRA at February 06, 2013 11:51 AM (T4tv4)

354 Just curious, can the Horde name a single lefty program that has ever worked as intended.... with no negative externalities?
Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 06, 2013 11:50 AM (sbV1u)

Well, exterminating humans and making life more difficult for those who survive IS the intention, isn't it?

Posted by: model_1066 at February 06, 2013 11:51 AM (7xPCu)

355 O/T for EC. Probably NSFW by most standards.



http://tinyurl.com/bkr3fn8

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Keeper of Ampersands and Breitbart Login Spaces at February 06, 2013 11:48 AM (GBXon)

That looks like Marilyn Manson in drag.

Posted by: EC at February 06, 2013 11:52 AM (GQ8sn)

356 Bah, I hate this anti plastic bag stuff. I remember as a kid during the 80s in CA. It was all about saving the Oregon trees and plastic would save the environment. Now plastic is evil, trees are renewable (but still not as good) and cloth is all the rage, at a cost (lives and money). I still use paper bags most of the time at grocery stores.

---

A lot of this, as mentioned in the thread last night, is that whatever we're doing is always wrong and that the lefties insist they are the ones who will show us the light.

Granted, I think one of the other parents at my kid's school as the right idea with regards to a lot of this green stupidity. She works for Georgia Pacific's mill outside of town and has a bumper sticker reading "Don't like logging? Try wiping with a plastic bag."
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 06, 2013 11:48 AM (e0xKF)



I love asking enviroweenies if they know what the process is to make the cloth that the bags are mae from. Here's a hint, unless you grew the hemp yourself and then spun the cloth and used a loom, it's not all the environmentally friendly.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 06, 2013 11:52 AM (VtjlW)

357 Give up Jack in the Box french fries. Shouldn't be too hard.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 06, 2013 11:50 AM (GFM2b


I'm thinking of giving up Chick-Fil-A hamburgers this time.

Posted by: RWC at February 06, 2013 11:53 AM (fWAjv)

358 I was just thinking the other day that we need an Ewok signal signal that we can light up when it's time for someone to light up the Ewok signal...

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at February 06, 2013 11:36 AM (IrbU4)


Isn't that what pudding and critter snares are for?

Posted by: The Political Hat at February 06, 2013 11:54 AM (Vk2pI)

359 "Don't like logging? Try wiping with a plastic bag."


Toilet hankies!!

Posted by: eleven at February 06, 2013 11:55 AM (KXm42)

360 357 Give up Jack in the Box french fries. Shouldn't be too hard.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 06, 2013 11:50 AM (GFM2b


I'm thinking of giving up Chick-Fil-A hamburgers this time.

---

I should probably give up Krystal and White Castle hamburgers.

My lower intestines will thank me.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 06, 2013 11:55 AM (e0xKF)

361 Here's a hint, unless you grew the hemp yourself and then spun the cloth and used a loom, it's not all the environmentally friendly. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 06, 2013 11:52 AM (VtjlW)

Environmentally friendly?? That's not the goal. That's the stated goal, but that's not the actual goal.

The goal is to make them feel superior to the "other"

In this case "the other" is defined as "those who dwell in reality."

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 06, 2013 11:55 AM (sbV1u)

362 New thread

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 06, 2013 11:55 AM (e0xKF)

363 I think, for Lent, I'll give up giving things up for Lent.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 06, 2013 11:56 AM (8y9MW)

364 Give up Jack in the Box french fries. Shouldn't be too hard.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 06, 2013 11:50 AM (GFM2b


I'm thinking of giving up Chick-Fil-A hamburgers this time.
Posted by: RWC at February 06, 2013 11:53 AM (fWAjv)



I know someone who is an atheist, though not the militant in your face type, who responds to questions as to what she is giving up for Lent with "religion". I will admit, I think that's quite funny.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 06, 2013 11:56 AM (VtjlW)

365 350 Sean Bannion,

Probably their jihad against PCBs.

I've worked Hazmat and society adjusted fine to shifting to newer coolants and had largely moved on in most non governmental applications by then anyway....

The contratemp is Benzene the hysteria about benzene will cost billions in efficiency for a very minimal gain.....we're talking 10s of millions of impact per life saved.

Benzene is part of why I am now adamant that the Hazmat industry is almost as guilty of shakedown tactics as Je$$e Jack$on and Ralph Nader...

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 11:56 AM (LRFds)

366 I'll be giving up Valu-Rite for Lent.

Yup. Only top-shelf for me!

Posted by: Pug Mahon at February 06, 2013 11:56 AM (K+mtQ)

367 "It's not Valentine's Day that's just around the corner, it's the Happiest Day Of The Year aka February 15th aka half price chocolate day."
But...but...that's the first Friday of Lent...*sob*
Give up Jack in the Box french fries. Shouldn't be too hard.


Or be like me. Figure any country that has TFG and Worf infesting it is God-forsaken anyway, so Lent doesn't mean jack.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 06, 2013 11:56 AM (zF6Iw)

368 It was all about saving the Oregon trees and plastic would save the environment. Now plastic is evil, trees are renewable (but still not as good) and cloth is all the rage, at a cost (lives and money).

Because plastic bags actually worked out well for both stores and consumers and definitely didn't end capitalism, so they're trying again.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 06, 2013 11:56 AM (B/VB5)

369 Their spending was “not limited to a luxury sports
car, personal real estate, entertainment, lavish trips and vacations
with Evelyn Adorno and support of Evelyn Adorno, gifts and other
personal uses,” the suit alleges.



“It is my information that she and Imam Feisal have a long-standing personal relationship,”

Posted by: Thunderb at February 06, 2013 10:30 AM (Dnbau)


Ain't it great? Every dollar he spent chasing pussy was NOT spent promoting islam. I call that a win.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 06, 2013 11:56 AM (673KB)

370 I'm thinking of giving up Chick-Fil-A hamburgers this time.

FTW!

Posted by: rickb223 at February 06, 2013 11:57 AM (GFM2b)

371 Benzene is part of why I am now adamant that the Hazmat industry is almost as guilty of shakedown tactics as Je$$e Jack$on and Ralph Nader...
Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 11:56 AM (LRFds)

I like my benzene ice cold, with a twist of lime.

Posted by: model_1066 at February 06, 2013 11:57 AM (7xPCu)

372 Ain't it great? Every dollar he spent chasing pussy was NOT spent promoting islam. I call that a win.

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It'll be win-win if he ends up getting thrown in jail, or at least a high colonic from the IRS, over misuse of the funds.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 06, 2013 11:58 AM (e0xKF)

373 I'm thinking of giving up Chick-Fil-A hamburgers this time.

You have hit upon a new industry: non-sacrificial Lenten sacrifices.

Well played, sir. Well played.

Posted by: delayna at February 06, 2013 11:58 AM (KnC4k)

374 Slappy the Squirrel takes on Siskel and Ebert.
http://youtu.be/FTjdJh80No8

And on laser disc to boot!

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 06, 2013 11:27 AM (x7WAu)


Woodstock Slappy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42JPg3y85Ak

Posted by: The Political Hat at February 06, 2013 11:59 AM (Vk2pI)

375 You have hit upon a new industry: non-sacrificial Lenten sacrifices. Well played, sir. Well played. Posted by: delayna at February 06, 2013 11:58 AM (KnC4k)

Oh, laugh now guys! Laugh now!

We'll see who laughs last!

Posted by: Saint Peter at February 06, 2013 12:00 PM (sbV1u)

376 I fucking hate lottery tickets and scratch-offs. Every time I go into a convenience store I end up behind some retard handing in a stack of tickets to see if any won. Because checking themselves would be too taxing, you see.

This is inevitably followed by buying more. Not just "give me 5 of those". Oh, no. It's "Uhhh... one of those... durrr... one of those... how much is that one..."

Not to mention that the lottery has one of the worst payoffs of any other form of gambling. A 50% payout (25% if you take the cash payout)? Horrible. Roulette has a much better payout, and roulette is a sucker's game.

Someone who buys a ticket once a week for fun? No problem. But that's not who is holding up the line every damned time.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 06, 2013 12:00 PM (SY2Kh)

377 Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 06, 2013 12:00 PM (SY2Kh)

I hear ya...lotto is not only a tax on the stupid, but sand in the gears of the productive. For the most part.

Posted by: model_1066 at February 06, 2013 12:02 PM (7xPCu)

378 But that's not who is holding up the line every damned time. Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 06, 2013 12:00 PM (SY2Kh)

Those types are always the ones who, by the looks of it, don't need to be wasting money on a lottery.

Brain cells either.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 06, 2013 12:03 PM (sbV1u)

379
if it would save even one life, then I guess they'll have to go back to plastic.

Posted by: exceller at February 06, 2013 12:03 PM (ROGMG)

380 When will this issue be ripe for a class action lawsuit? And by ripe, I don't mean legally ripe, I mean - when will there be a big enough class to take LA and SF to the cleaners?

Posted by: gm at February 06, 2013 12:06 PM (/kBoL)

381 Toilet hankies!!

I really like the aloe-vera "personal cloths." Yeah, yeah, they're baby wipes, but as an alternative to the 0.5-mil sandpaper in the ladies room at work? They're fucking awesome.

But I flush them. Then I throw the plastic packet in the garbage.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 06, 2013 12:09 PM (ZKzrr)

382 380 When will this issue be ripe for a class action lawsuit? And by ripe, I don't mean legally ripe, I mean - when will there be a big enough class to take LA and SF to the cleaners?
Posted by: gm at February 06, 2013 12:06 PM (/kBoL)


In those places, no amount of death and destruction is legally actionable, because they're trying to save the world! Which is a modest, attainable goal...reality-based you might say.

Posted by: model_1066 at February 06, 2013 12:09 PM (7xPCu)

383 A couple decades back, I did a little debate/forensics-type stuff in high school. We were talking about the National Lottery or some such absurd idea (that has basically come to pass), and I remember digging up a particularly poignant quote...that I can't seem to find anywhere anymore since I haven't looked *that* hard, etc.

"A lottery is the best form of tax, for only those who wish to be taxed, are taxed."

Memory is pretty hazy about that whole time period, but I have always attributed it to that Jefferson fellow from Virginia.

Posted by: akula51 at February 06, 2013 12:13 PM (YesJa)

384 But I flush them. Then I throw the plastic packet in the garbage.

Heather! tsk tsk...

You're supposed to wash them and re-use them like a good steward of the earth should.

Posted by: EC at February 06, 2013 12:14 PM (GQ8sn)

385 Granted, I think one of the other parents at my
kid's school as the right idea with regards to a lot of this green
stupidity. She works for Georgia Pacific's mill outside of town and has
a bumper sticker reading "Don't like logging? Try wiping with a
plastic bag."

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 06, 2013 11:48 AM (e0xKF)


Got no paper, got no towel? Wipe your ass with a spotted owl!

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 06, 2013 12:18 PM (673KB)

386 Part of why I suspect Luap Nor is a $oro$ plot to split the right and alienate Libertarians from SoCons so hard.
Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 11:35 AM (LRFds)

So your theory is George Soros bankrolled Ron Paul as part of some conspiracy to split the GOP? Seriously? Is there nothing Soros can't do?You sound like the Left when they talk about the Koch Brothers. Get a grip.

You can 'suspect' all day but there's no evidence to back up your claims, and your logic is too convoluted to follow. That feeling of self-satisfaction you get from foisting off the fringe nature of the Ron Paul 'movement' onto Soros isn't evidence. Many Ron Paul true-believers who call themselves 'libertarians' are just conspiracy theorists looking for a label. The only reason many libertarians--including Ron Paul--identified with the Republican Party is so that their ideas would gain some measure ofmainstream respectability. Ron Paul and his many of his followers are, and always have been, Republicans of convenience. They're just old-school Jew-hating America Firster Know-Nothings, and they've been polluting the body politic since the founding of the country.

Posted by: troyriser at February 06, 2013 12:20 PM (vtiE6)

387 Doncha know they get out of their smart cars with their cloth disgusting grocery bags. My youngest was admonished by his 2nd grade teacher for having a paper lunch sack. I told him she was a silly woman that didn't understand that the lunch sack was paper and the logger, the miller, the salesman, the distributor, and the store worker were all people that had jobs and could feed their kids while using a RENEWABLE resource.

Posted by: madamex at February 06, 2013 12:22 PM (1zsKV)

388 Veal and fois gras in a baby seal skin reusable shopping bag...

Speaking as a one-time strict vegetarian,* I just want to say...

This is why I loves the horde!

(*No. It was I guess you'd say religious, not econutty. A rather strict interpretation of Gen. 1:28-30, sort-of, mixed with some Buddhistic notions, among other things. "Vegetarian by choice, not by fashion/ It's not so much what you eat/ as what you balance on." -Donovan, the still mostly enjoyable Open Road album)

Posted by: Mindful STILL banned on the desktop at February 06, 2013 12:22 PM (Bfbpz)

389 If Barack had a plastic bag it would be made of hemp.

Posted by: Bufalobob at February 06, 2013 12:36 PM (x+7qA)

390 388 "Vegetarian by choice, not by fashion/ It's not so much what you eat/ as what you balance on." -Donovan

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Ah. So you were a bivegetarian, then.

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at February 06, 2013 12:44 PM (NmR1a)

391 One of the many un-reported horrors of this plastic ban is the burden placed on us by requiring us to choke baby sea turtles and dolphins by hand. It was so much more time and cost effective to do it with plastic bag refuse.

Posted by: LGoPs at February 06, 2013 12:44 PM (4x8W0)

392 386 Is there nothing Soros can't do?

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Take down the one man truth machine that is Glenn Beck.

No, seriosly. Beck had a segment on his TV show once in which he claimed that a Soros minion tried to intimidate him into backing off.

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda has a tinfoil hat and isn't afraid to use it at February 06, 2013 12:46 PM (NmR1a)

393 386 TroyRiser,

Says the guy on the SPLC's jock...

look Troy $oro$ openly threw in ~6 million and has invoked this as the "cause of my life" he is a guy who when coupled with his jackie chan players can swing ~16 billion.

Some set of asshats or a asshat back Luap Nor and Luap Nor is never subjected the media anal probe like our candidates are....

this is the third time he's played these games...

3 is enemy action old boy.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 01:05 PM (LRFds)

394 ....and who can forget another San Francisco feel-good environmentalism fiasco? The city spent millions to promote low-flow toilets -- culminating with an outright ban of existing, installed standard toilets....before considering that their 150-year-old sewer system might not have the proper slope and capacity to actually move things along....as a result of which, harmful and unnatural biologically-treated human sewage is being supplemented by eco-friendly sodium hypochlorite.

In other words, they don't have enough water to run the sewer system and sewage treatment plants right, so they're using bleach. $14M of bleach. Every year. Because the other system might use too much water.

Posted by: cthulhu at February 06, 2013 01:07 PM (kaalw)

395 Darnit -- forgot the link -- http://tinyurl.com/b4lg3h3

Posted by: cthulhu at February 06, 2013 01:08 PM (kaalw)

396 392 Citizen Anachronda,

$oro$ toppled the UK's govt. That's a fact. He's a scumball of the highest order and it sickens me that he is a genius and that my mind on currency operations and investment growing up was in alignment with his theories on dynamic disequilibrium.

$oro$ gave a million straight out to Barry's superpac despite all his braying about the evils of Super Pacs and he has been gunslinging against the US economy since 1998.

A powerful US is one of the last blocs to this fuck's dreams of a world currency.

So yeah Troy is right I am a tad paranoid about the bastard...

I imagine a moonbat version of me with about 20 billion to play with.....

the rest is a matter of watching what is easy to see, hard to see and going from there....


Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 01:11 PM (LRFds)

397 In fairness, this headline could have easily read, "San Franciscans Filthy Habits Kill About 5 People a Year". One of the points the study made is that reusable bags are fine as long as people wash them out after using them - especially after meat or other "leaky" stuff has been carried in them.

So, yes, the plastic bag ban could have prevented that - assuming the people weren't voluntarily using reusable bags to begin with. But the real culprit is the users' lack of basic sanitary habits.

As a conservative, I think that I and others should bear at least some responsibility for the consequences of our actions. If I get sick after carrying vegetables in a bag that had had meat juice leaked all over it days earlier, then *it's my own damn fault*.

Posted by: Jon Corzine at February 06, 2013 01:11 PM (VrNoa)

398 and Troy for clarity's sake I am pretty certain you know who I am as concerns anti-semitism....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 01:12 PM (LRFds)

399 No, seriosly. Beck had a segment on his TV show once in which he claimed that a Soros minion tried to intimidate him into backing off.
Posted by: Citizen Anachronda has a tinfoil hat and isn't afraid to use it at February 06, 2013 12:46 PM (NmR1a)

I've often wondered about minions. I mean, how does a billionaire evil villain go about finding and hiring them? Is there a 'Minions and Henchmen' category on Craigslist, or what? And what poor saps are drawn to that occupation, anyway? Don't they know their life expectancy is reduced to zero the moment the hero scales the wall, crosses the moat, or parchutes directlyinto the evil lair? It better have good health benefits, that's all I've got to say.

Posted by: troyriser at February 06, 2013 01:15 PM (vtiE6)

400 399 Troyriser,

Troy if the right billionaire whom I believed in came along and said, "Sven I need you to do some very hard things but here is why I am doing what i'm doing and this is the goal."

Do you think I'd hesitate if his goal matrix lined up with me?

George Hearst had hatchet men, JP Morgan had hatchet men, you get enough wealth and show ideological good faith and consistent results you attract loyal retainers.

Like i said SPLC is word of God but I am crazy for not seeing $oro$ as nay different than any other robber baron?

"okay"

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 01:23 PM (LRFds)

401 Says the guy on the SPLC's jock
Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 01:05 PM (LRFds)

Every time an anonymous someone tries to discredit me, they look at my (very public and open) professional portfolio and see that I've done graphics work for the SPLC. The project I did for them was an animated .gif decrying bigotry. I was paid very nicely for it, thanks, would do that kind of work again and make no apologies for it. As it is, I happen to like the work the SPLC did against, among others, terrorist, bankrobber, and murderer David Matthews and the neo-nazi Bruder Schweigen gang during the 80's. They've gone downhill since but that doesn't detract from their accomplishments when they were actually accomplishing something. I hate neo-nazis. Sue me.

So yeah, Sven, if you keep pushing that evil Soros plot stuff you're going to come off like some tinfoil hat-wearing idiot who believes in all of that happy Ron Paul conspiracy shit.But then, if memory serves, you're also the guy who claimed that Putin's Russia sounded like a pretty nice place to immigrate.My advice? Read the fine print in the brochure before you make a move.

Posted by: troyriser at February 06, 2013 01:29 PM (vtiE6)

402 401 Troy,

I have never clicked your name I use your intonation of SPLC's wishcasting for villain of the week.

You invoke their boogey man of the week a lot of the time.

It's all good, Soros trying to tilt elections is hardly a secret and his having the wherewithal to run both candidates is easy enough to see if it is there.

The SPLC is akin to Charles Johnson saying the TN flag is a neo nazi organization...funny on one level frightening on another.

Soros' "former" Oil hobby at Petrobas gets a 4 billion dollar loan..."no biggie" he;s good enough, and I am limited enough to not know his business with precision...you ever win the lottery gift me 100,000 and I'll get you a data sheet.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 01:42 PM (LRFds)

403 401 Troyriser,

and considering the President was discussing unilateral disarmament of our nuclear arsenal and "flexibility" WRT Putin's Russia I have to admit being very confused....

You don't think Obama would be deferring to a bad actor do you?

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 01:44 PM (LRFds)

404 and Troy just to be clear I have little problem with you beyond your reflexive eye rolling at Soros maltrust when you invoke the SPLC I am not trying to be a hateful asshole about it beyond making the point.

Your company is something I enjoy lest I wouldn't seek you out in threads on happier moments in our walk along this mortal coil.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 06, 2013 02:05 PM (LRFds)

405 Five lessliberal/envirorwacko/earthfirstper year is worth it. KEEP THE BAN.

Posted by: harleycowboy at February 06, 2013 02:34 PM (wSTfB)

406 Just put a dead delta smelt in one of those reusable bags and leave it where the California Enviro-nazis can find it, and watch how fast the re-usables get banned.
Killin' people doesn't get their attention, but just let one obscure fish or rodent catch a cold and they'll be all over it like stink on sh*t!!

Posted by: Jeff S at February 06, 2013 02:52 PM (hleDf)

407 Every component that goes into a plastic bag, from the petroleum based resin that holds it together to the powdered rock that makes the filler, comes from the earth. It is fitting that plastic bags be used as 'bin liners' or other secondary use after use as a grocery bag and then to end up back in the earthen hole excavated by humans know as a land fill. This, to me, is the ultimate recycling.

Posted by: Speller at February 06, 2013 04:17 PM (J74Py)

408
While you wasteful people are moaning about the inconvenience and danger of using reusable shopping bags, there is a plastic island with billions of those plastic bags floating somewhere in the Pacific, the size of TEXAS!
Really, the person who "calculated" 5 people dying in San Francisco, has probably never lived there. "Two hours in a hot car" never happens in the Bay Area. As Mark Twain once said, "The coldest winter I ever spent was a summer in San Francisco."
Now. Hitch up your big-girl panties, buy some canvas bags, wash them, and SAVE what is left of Mother Earth.

Posted by: oxpictus at February 06, 2013 05:09 PM (+Cd7P)






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