McCain: Don't Filibuster Hagel

Thus forsaking the only likely avenue of keeping an idiot (and anti-semite... allegedly) out of the important SecDef job.

The story's at Politico. But it's really not a story so much as a sentence. McCain says that filibustering Hagel would be "inappropriate," and the proper method of registering one's disapproval is to simply vote "Nay" on his nomination.

The Democrats, of course, will vote lockstep in favor of him, and thus he'll become SecDef. The only way to stop this would be through the filibuster, with 40 Republicans refusing to close debate on his nomination.

Posted by: Ace at 11:19 AM



Comments

1 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 05, 2013 11:22 AM (8y9MW)

2 Hagel rhymes with bagel, so it's all good.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 05, 2013 11:22 AM (XkWWK)

3 McCain, always thinking of his ego first.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 05, 2013 11:22 AM (uhftQ)

4 Yeah. I'm thinking I do need some chocolate emus right about now.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 05, 2013 11:23 AM (VtjlW)

5 Yes, no farting out loud in the country club, eh?

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 05, 2013 11:23 AM (uhftQ)

6 Hagel rhymes with bagel, so it's all good. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 05, 2013 11:22 AM (XkWWK)

Does that mean I can give him a schmear?

Posted by: Bwaney Fwank at February 05, 2013 11:23 AM (sbV1u)

7 McCain sucks ass? Shocking.

Posted by: toby928© presents another finely crafted comment at February 05, 2013 11:23 AM (evdj2)

8 I'm beginning to hate McCain himself more than his fat, ignorant daughter, if that's possible.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 05, 2013 11:24 AM (XkWWK)

9 Yeah, hate for anything 'inappropriate' to happen in DC.



Idiot.

Posted by: Tami at February 05, 2013 11:24 AM (X6akg)

10 Yeah. I'm thinking I do need some chocolate emus right about now.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy
***
Emus covered in cholcolate? Bet the emus hate it.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 05, 2013 11:24 AM (uhftQ)

11 I repeat myself when under stress
I repeat myself when under stress

Posted by: King Crimson at February 05, 2013 11:24 AM (96M6e)

12 Yeah. I'm thinking I do need some chocolate emus right about now. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 05, 2013 11:23 AM (VtjlW

Hey, I offered you chocolate chip cookies yesterday.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 05, 2013 11:24 AM (sbV1u)

13
And remember he is fighting McConnell by saying that. Typical McShitty,
stab your own Party in the back. He has defined the term RINO.


And he wonders why the base did not turn out in droves for him in 2008.

Posted by: Vic at February 05, 2013 11:24 AM (53z96)

14 Emus be my lucky day...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 05, 2013 11:25 AM (XkWWK)

15 A double negative is a positive right?

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at February 05, 2013 11:25 AM (epxV4)

16 Drew M. nailed McCain better than anyone else I've read when he wrote a few years ago in another context that "he pulls a position out of his ass and preens over it." As much as I appreciate his service and suffering for it, he's senile and egotistical and needs to go.

Posted by: Ed Snyder at February 05, 2013 11:25 AM (2PQnr)

17 Filibuster only if they actually talk. I'm sick of this "gentleman's filibuster" crap. Otherwise, so what if we get Hagel? Like we're going to get someone competent instead?

Posted by: SFGoth at February 05, 2013 11:25 AM (dZ756)

18 LIB

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 05, 2013 11:25 AM (qo244)

19 And Republicans selected this guy as their (our) nominee 5 years ago... why?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 05, 2013 11:25 AM (8y9MW)

20 *reaches for my well-used hammer to beat myself in the head*

Make it stop.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 05, 2013 11:25 AM (UOM48)

21 I was such a gentleman and awesome person when I refused to point out obama's vote history or sleazy political connections in the campaign.

Posted by: McCain's Ego at February 05, 2013 11:26 AM (uhftQ)

22 McCain...please join Rove and GTFOH...so sick of these a holes.

Posted by: Red Shirt at February 05, 2013 11:26 AM (FIDMq)

23
Double, double, toil and trouble.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 05, 2013 11:26 AM (p/cQy)

24 Hey, I offered you chocolate chip cookies yesterday.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 05, 2013 11:24 AM (sbV1u)




She gave them away.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at February 05, 2013 11:26 AM (GEICT)

25 So the next question would be when would it be appropriate to filibuster a nomination to Sec Def?

Posted by: SH at February 05, 2013 11:26 AM (gmeXX)

26 That thing that just happened in my mouth? It was "inappropriate."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 05, 2013 11:26 AM (UOM48)

27 19 And Republicans selected this guy as their (our) nominee 5 years ago... why?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 05, 2013 11:25 AM (8y9MW)


Ask Karl Rove. He's an architect... much like a latter day Albert Speer, but without the likability or talent.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 05, 2013 11:26 AM (XkWWK)

28 OK, is "chocolate emus" a euphemism, or do you mean chocolates in the shape of emus? Cause I know the emu theory of how to kill someone and get away with it, but am not sure how a chocolate emu would accomplish that goal.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at February 05, 2013 11:26 AM (RZ8pf)

29 Gee, why am I not surprised that Juan McLame wants to go the douche route.

You know, sometimes I wonder if Meggy Mac got her stupid from her father, or vice versa.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 05, 2013 11:27 AM (4df7R)

30 Otherwise, so what if we get Hagel? Like we're going to get someone competent instead?

Say it with me: "Former GOP Senator Chuck Hagel..."

That's "so what." It gives SCOAMT too much cover for his disastrous handling of the military.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 05, 2013 11:27 AM (8y9MW)

31
What's the difference between an LIV and an IV ?

Hunger.


Let. it. burn.

Posted by: T. Hunter at February 05, 2013 11:27 AM (EZl54)

32

Cat's foot iron claw
Neuro-surgeons scream for more
At paranoia's poison door.
Twenty first century schizoid man.

Posted by: toby928© presents another finely crafted comment at February 05, 2013 11:27 AM (evdj2)

33 So this is what the latter stages of national suicide look like.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 05, 2013 11:28 AM (XkWWK)

34 There's two there's two posts posts.

Posted by: HAL9000 at February 05, 2013 11:28 AM (8sCoq)

35 McCain can eat my fat ass.

Hagel's beyond "unacceptable"... he's downright incompetent and dangerous, which is exactly what we do NOT need when our military is still actively fighting a war in Afghanistan on top of our other activities.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 05, 2013 11:28 AM (e0xKF)

36 Double, double, toil and trouble.

By the pricking of my thumbs/ something stupid this way comes.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 05, 2013 11:28 AM (8y9MW)

37 Republicans are the problem.

The Republican Party is the problem.

Conservative ideas are the solution.

Crazy shit I heard last night, local lawyer--so Dem she hosts a Dem info booth in front of her office during the street fair--said she agrees with a lot of what the local conservative talk show host says when she listens but, more or less, "ick, he's a Republican."

The Republican brand is worse than Pabst--it cannot be saved--it shit all over it's consumers so bad it's just time to kill it off.

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 05, 2013 11:28 AM (VjL9S)

38 MMCCCCAAIINN is a jackass.

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 05, 2013 11:28 AM (J6hHs)

39 Like we're going to get someone competent instead?
Posted by: SFGoth at February 05, 2013 11:25 AM (dZ756)

Eh, I don't really think Barry has a real winner lined up in the wings. Look at the bright side, the military will at least be a hollowed out shell by the time they come to put us in camps. Yay.

Posted by: Jollyroger at February 05, 2013 11:28 AM (t06LC)

40 22 McCain...please join Rove and GTFOH...so sick of these a holes.

Posted by: Red Shirt at February 05, 2013 11:26 AM (FIDMq)


Speaking as an actual admirer of Sarah Palin, I place a lot of blame on her for this.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 05, 2013 11:28 AM (Qxe/p)

41 On a happier note, did anyone see/hear Ted Nugent's epic smack-down of Piers Morgan? Piers stupidly visited Ted at his ranch, did some shootin', and then tried to take on Ted.

*fans self*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 05, 2013 11:28 AM (UOM48)

42 Does this mean sequester is dead or the neocon influence?

Posted by: SH at February 05, 2013 11:28 AM (gmeXX)

43 Fuck McCain, since it is not the first time he is fucking us. I hope some Senator has the guts to put a hold on this, even if we ultimately lose the vote.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 05, 2013 11:28 AM (9Bj8R)

44 off damned AI sock built in Urbana IL

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 05, 2013 11:28 AM (8sCoq)

45 It sure was a nice Country while it lasted. I am running out of any hope of anyone standing up to these ass clowns. The shit keeps piling up day after day after day.

Posted by: Infidel at February 05, 2013 11:28 AM (O/fK8)

46 The more incompetent and befuddled the cabinet secretary is, the greater the chance for mutiny and military coup.

Do you want your strong and conniving enemies holding positions of power, or do you want the weak and the stupid? This accelerates LIB 13 and will lead to greater discord and anarchy in the ranks, which benefits our side.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at February 05, 2013 11:28 AM (Ec6wH)

47 And Republicans selected this guy as their (our) nominee 5 years ago... why?


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 05, 2013 11:25 AM (8y9MW)


NO "Republicans" didn't. The MFM selected him and the RNC went along with it because it was his turn.

Posted by: Vic at February 05, 2013 11:29 AM (53z96)

48 Good ol' McCain, reaching across the aisle again. This is the kind of guy that Rove likes, right?

And it will get us Hagel as SecDef. How awesome is that?

This warrants a puke tag.

/puke

Posted by: Marmo at February 05, 2013 11:29 AM (QW+AD)

49 So McCain says "screw you" to our military. The "world's bullies."


Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 05, 2013 11:29 AM (UOM48)

50 Speaking as an actual admirer of Sarah Palin, I place a lot of blame on her for this.



Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 05, 2013 11:28 AM (Qxe/p)


I assume you're referring to her campaigning for the senile fuck in 2010, which pissed the hell out of me.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 05, 2013 11:30 AM (cdK9k)

51 >Piers stupidly visited Ted at his ranch, did some shootin', and then tried to take on Ted.

*fans self*



to link, perchance to watch?

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 05, 2013 11:30 AM (8sCoq)

52 I see double. And I haven't started drinking yet.

Posted by: HeatherRadish, pre-denounced for your convenience at February 05, 2013 11:30 AM (ZKzrr)

53 "You have nothing to fear from Barack Obama."

Posted by: Sen John McCain - 2008 at February 05, 2013 11:30 AM (EZl54)

54 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YthG-MeKcbQfeature=youtu.be

Posted by: American Dawg at February 05, 2013 11:30 AM (trA4n)

55 NO "Republicans" didn't. The MFM selected him and the RNC went along with it because it was his turn.

So Republican voters didn't give him more votes than any one of his other competitors?

I didn't say "Conservatives," Vic. I said "Republicans." And Republicans most certainly did.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 05, 2013 11:30 AM (8y9MW)

56 Remember when McCain floated Hagel as his pick for SecDef?

He does and I think he realizes that his buddies in the MSM will screw him if he doesn't stand up for that dunce.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 05, 2013 11:31 AM (e0xKF)

57 Also:

What the fuck is McCain's major malfunction?

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 05, 2013 11:31 AM (8sCoq)

58 Your comments are immediately replicated on the replicated thread.

Posted by: Marmo at February 05, 2013 11:31 AM (QW+AD)

59 thank you for your service sen mccain....now go away

Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at February 05, 2013 11:31 AM (GVxQo)

60 46 The more incompetent and befuddled the cabinet secretary is, the greater the chance for mutiny and military coup.

Do you want your strong and conniving enemies holding positions of power, or do you want the weak and the stupid? This accelerates LIB 13 and will lead to greater discord and anarchy in the ranks, which benefits our side.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at February 05, 2013 11:28 AM (Ec6wH)


The JCS and the flag officer corps has been purged and replaced by SCOAMF-approved cronies. But I am hoping for a "Seven Days in May" scenario.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 05, 2013 11:31 AM (XkWWK)

61 Fuck McCain, since it is not the first time he is fucking us. I hope some Senator has the guts to put a hold on this, even if we ultimately lose the vote

----

Maybe Ted Cruz will. If he does, then Cornyn has to join in. That gets you up to 2. Its a start.

Posted by: SH at February 05, 2013 11:31 AM (gmeXX)

62 I didn't say "Conservatives," Vic. I said "Republicans." And Republicans most certainly did.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 05, 2013 11:30 AM (8y9MW)

The primaries are essentially over before 90% of the Republican base gets to vote.

Posted by: Vic at February 05, 2013 11:32 AM (53z96)

63 off damned AI sock built in Urbana IL
Posted by: Jones in CO
***

I was born there...in a little 10000 gallon tank...

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 05, 2013 11:32 AM (uhftQ)

64 And guess what? We did it again in 2012 and looks like we are headed that way for 2016.

Posted by: Vic at February 05, 2013 11:32 AM (53z96)

65 So the next question would be when would it be appropriate to filibuster a nomination to Sec Def?
Posted by: SH at February 05, 2013 11:26 AM (gmeXX)


Indeed, when is it appropriate to filibuster anything with which you disagree? Because it follows that if it's "inappropriate" to filibuster against a SecDef nominee, then presumably it's also "inappropriate" to filibuster against any piece of legislation, too, large or small. You should register your disapproval with a "Nay" vote, not a filibuster. Sure it means that whatever you're disagreeing with is going to pass and you have no way to stop it, but dammit, blustering is just so ungentlemanly.

Interestingly, it's always the party in power (and their collaborators from across the aisle) who always want to get rid of or thoroughly undermine the use of the filibuster as a parliamentary tool. Gee, I wonder why.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 05, 2013 11:32 AM (4df7R)

66 I'm not commenting significantly until I know which of these double posts will get trashed...

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 05, 2013 11:32 AM (f9c2L)

67 I assume you're referring to her campaigning for the senile fuck in 2010, which pissed the hell out of me.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 05, 2013 11:30 AM (cdK9k)


Exactly that.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 05, 2013 11:32 AM (Qxe/p)

68 What the fuck is McCain's major malfunction?

He's bitter that the Republican Party isn't fawning all over him like they did in the GWBush years and during the 2008 Presidential campaign.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 05, 2013 11:33 AM (8y9MW)

69 I see two of everything.
I see two of everything.

Posted by: real joe at February 05, 2013 11:34 AM (gry0R)

70 ACE my double vision is back.

Posted by: Timin203 at February 05, 2013 11:34 AM (5WxMt)

71 Wow, the first hermaphroditic web post.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 05, 2013 11:34 AM (XkWWK)

72 I see two of everything.


Posted by: real joe
.........
So, which is the REAL joe???

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 05, 2013 11:34 AM (f9c2L)

73 The post was so supple, Ace provided a couple.

Posted by: MadisonConservative at February 05, 2013 11:35 AM (Y/HG5)

74 68 What the fuck is McCain's major malfunction?

He's bitter that the Republican Party isn't fawning all over him like they did in the GWBush years and during the 2008 Presidential campaign.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 05, 2013 11:33 AM (8y9MW)


Shorter version?

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 05, 2013 11:35 AM (Qxe/p)

75 Appropriate 70's mystery click:

Foreigner - "Double Vision."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 05, 2013 11:35 AM (XkWWK)

76
I remember when McCain was the leader of the "Gang Of Six" that was on a crusade to save the filibuster, which was a staple of American Politics.

Posted by: dan-O at February 05, 2013 11:35 AM (3JUOS)

77 Of course not. He's a member of the "Club." Did anybody seriously believe Hagel wouldn't be confirmed?

Posted by: rrpjr at February 05, 2013 11:35 AM (yBrS/)

78 The primaries are essentially over before 90% of the Republican base gets to vote.

With a contested Democrat Primary? Really?

Unless you can show me absurdly low turnout numbers for Democrat Primaries in the early states, I'm going to say that it was mostly Republicans (with some "independents" but not as many as you're suggesting) who voted for McCain in the early States.

I might accept that Democrats and left-leaning independents selected Mitt Romney (maybe- even that would take some convincing) but not McCain.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 05, 2013 11:35 AM (8y9MW)

79 All those guys in the previous thread are really missing out.

Posted by: Marmo at February 05, 2013 11:36 AM (QW+AD)

80 You know...Benedict Arnold was a war hero, too.

Just saying.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Keeper of Ampersands and Breitbart Login Spaces at February 05, 2013 11:36 AM (GBXon)

81 Fuck McCain....

McCain you fuckhead pussy ass motherfucker YOU are why we are fucked fuckhead.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 05, 2013 11:36 AM (LRFds)

82 J.J. Sefton, nope.
First asexual reproduction post.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 05, 2013 11:36 AM (uhftQ)

83 I think Ace had this on auto post.. or he's having some hobo leftovers for lunch..

Hey, Ace! Clean up on the front page needed!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 05, 2013 11:36 AM (f9c2L)

84 Maybe Ted Cruz will. If he does, then Cornyn has to join in. That gets you up to 2. Its a start.
Posted by: SH at February 05, 2013 11:31 AM (gmeXX)

Actually the math works the other way. If any Senator puts a hold and forces a filibuster, then they need 60 votes to break it and vote him in. So obama and the dems then need to convince 5 Republicans I think it is to break ranks and join the dems in breaking the filibuster. That is assuming all the dems hold

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 05, 2013 11:36 AM (9Bj8R)

85 19 AllenG,

because the media said he was the best choice....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 05, 2013 11:36 AM (LRFds)

86 80 You know...Benedict Arnold was a war hero, too.

Just saying.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, Keeper of Ampersands and Breitbart Login Spaces at February 05, 2013 11:36 AM (GBXon)


He was for us before he was against us.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 05, 2013 11:36 AM (XkWWK)

87 This is where the action is.

Posted by: Marmo at February 05, 2013 11:36 AM (QW+AD)

88 This post kicks the last post's ass.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 05, 2013 11:36 AM (w+Dvf)

89
And Republicans selected this guy as their (our) nominee 5 years ago... why?

----

Electability..... he is mavericky moderate.... and SHUT UP thats why.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 05, 2013 11:36 AM (nELVU)

90 I have two comments, one for each of ya.

Posted by: HollidayRadish at February 05, 2013 11:36 AM (ZKzrr)

91 He's bitter that the Republican Party isn't fawning all over him like they did in the GWBush years and during the 2008 Presidential campaign.

He had his shot and blew it, giving us The Most Unqualified President Ever™.

AZ, please do your patriotic duty and de-elect McCain next election.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at February 05, 2013 11:37 AM (Vtggp)

92 82 J.J. Sefton, nope.
First asexual reproduction post.
Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 05, 2013 11:36 AM (uhftQ)


Planaria of Spades HQ...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 05, 2013 11:37 AM (XkWWK)

93
I see two of everything.
Posted by: real joe




There -- are -- four -- posts!

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 05, 2013 11:37 AM (kdS6q)

94 "I've got double vision."

(Really that's all I have to add. Whatever, LIB, clearly the SecDef isn't in control anyway. This is Obumble's world, we just fight to take it back.)

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 05, 2013 11:37 AM (O4M29)

95 When I think of McCain, I think of Rovian establishment Rinos.

Posted by: Marmo at February 05, 2013 11:37 AM (QW+AD)

96 because the media said he was the best choice....

So? The fact that you listened to bad advice does not relieve you of the responsibility for your action. If someone voted for McCain because the media told them to, that does not mean it was not their choice to vote for McCain.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 05, 2013 11:37 AM (8y9MW)

97 I assume you're referring to her campaigning for the senile fuck in 2010, which pissed the hell out of me.
Posted by: Captain Hate at February 05, 2013 11:30 AM (cdK9k)
Her loyalty to him is something I'll never understand. His own campaign started a smear campaign against her before the election was even over that continues to this day, and he never bothered to defend her against it, yet she thinks she owes him something. I do not get it.

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at February 05, 2013 11:37 AM (KSjsb)

98 Because putting an anti-semetic idiot in as sec-def won't tarnish the reputation of the senate, but filibustering him will. This really is just too stupid for words, can it all burn down now please?

Posted by: booger at February 05, 2013 11:38 AM (HI6wa)

99 Drew M. nailed McCain better than anyone else I've read when he wrote a few years ago in another context that "he pulls a position out of his ass and preens over it." As much as I appreciate his service and suffering for it, he's senile and egotistical and needs to go.

***

And I believe he has his claws in his next protege', Rubio.

Both Rubio and Graham would be better off without the influence of, and deference to, McCain.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 05, 2013 11:38 AM (piMMO)

100 MWR,

Good point. I wish someone would ask McCain that. I understand AllenG's concern that it is Former Republican Senator Hagel, but generally speaking I am in favor of giving a president his choice in Cabinet because ultimately it all rests with the President. Unlike a judicial seat or a piece of legislation. But there must be some point where a person is not fit to serve in a position of such importance. Secretary of the Interior - who cares? But State and Defense. Pretty fricking important.

So Senator McCain, when would be inappropriate to not use the filibuster to prevent someone from serving. What would that person have to do, or what would need to be in their past.

We have clearly seen that tax evasion does not prevent someone from serving as Sec of Treasury. Do we have no standards anymore. Can we at least say at a minimum that you should love this country and bea responsible citizen.

Posted by: SH at February 05, 2013 11:38 AM (gmeXX)

101 McCain says that filibustering Hagel would be "inappropriate," and the proper method of registering one's disapproval is to simply vote "Nay" on his nomination.
---
And what praytell would be the proper way to prevent harm to the Nation?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at February 05, 2013 11:38 AM (SO2Q8)

102 So..when will the time come when all Conservatives tell the Republican party to F**k off and go away?
If you can't beat 'em...start another party.

Posted by: Lend me a credible answer at February 05, 2013 11:38 AM (yXUM8)

103 Appropriate 60's mystery click:

Little Deuce Coup

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXFFLuoaMzM

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 05, 2013 11:38 AM (qo244)

104 @102 It's already happening in greater numbers since 2012.

Posted by: MadisonConservative at February 05, 2013 11:39 AM (Y/HG5)

105 . So obama and the dems then need to convince 5 Republicans I think it is to break ranks and join the dems in breaking the filibuster. That is assuming all the dems hold

---

IF the Dems all hold, I'd wager that the 5 most likely to break are Collins, McCain, Mark Kirk, Murkowski, and either Cornyn or Lamar Alexander.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 05, 2013 11:39 AM (e0xKF)

106 ...If you'll recall, I was four-square behind the democracy movements across the Middle East in Arab Spring. While I attempt to keep my base of hicks in AZ quiet with an attack on my friend Hagel, I am actually a very close friend of both Palestinians and their brethren across the Arab world.
Those with any political sophistication understand that to get to a global solution for world peace everyone will have to give up some things, including borders that aren't relevant at home, and alliances that incite our friend the Muslims abroad.

Posted by: J. McCain at February 05, 2013 11:39 AM (xZCgA)

107 The Democrats, of course, will vote lockstep in favor of him

Will they?

I mean, I guess so, but they are really pushing their love affair with the media to the brink.

(a) Hagel's a gaffe-a-minute. The Dems do not want to have imbeciles at the helm during what is sure to be a disastrous second term.
(b) Obama's untouchable so the media will need scapegoats and they'll tear Hagel apart if they have to protect Obama. Much better some bureaucratic nobody than a candidate that Obama actually fought for and defended after that disastrous performance.

One thing to point out, Johanns actually said he'll vote FOR Hagel, so I'm not sure McCain is going against the flow here.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 05, 2013 11:40 AM (T0NGe)

108 Might as well have a stupid Hagel than some other left wing loon with more brains.

Posted by: paulejb at February 05, 2013 11:40 AM (vWTGV)

109 Filibustering is good for making little horseman babies.

Posted by: Heyoooohhhhhh at February 05, 2013 11:40 AM (KXm42)

110 It takes two to make a thing go right
It takes two to make it outta sight

Posted by: Radish Base and DJ EZ FUZZ at February 05, 2013 11:40 AM (ZKzrr)

111 McCain as the nominee is Exhibit No. 1 as to why New Hampshire ought to be exiled from the union.

I also remember Patrick Heynes, of Ankle Biting Pundits, going to work for McCain to help him craft the messages/lies necessary to win NH.

Without NH, McCain would not have been the nominee.

Anyway, I'm sure whoever deep blue Iowa and deep blue New Hampshire pick as the the Republican nominee in 2016 will be a true, bona fide conservative. Again.

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 05, 2013 11:40 AM (VjL9S)

112 96 Allen G,

our brilliant system rendered my hatred of him moot.

I caved and donated after he threw me a bone in Palin.

The GOP never got around to punishing MAVERICK! for fucking over Chimpy....


Posted by: sven10077 at February 05, 2013 11:41 AM (LRFds)

113 Well, gosh darnit, that boy's a Maverick. What courage.

Hey , did you here his daughter has beers with, like, regular people and stuff?

Posted by: Lurking Flaneur at February 05, 2013 11:41 AM (ay6+/)

114 The Incredible Two-headed Transplant.

This post = Rosey Grier
The other post = Ray Milland

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 05, 2013 11:41 AM (XkWWK)

115 I'm sick to death of conservatives, too, and their stupid fucking "families only" tent.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 05, 2013 11:41 AM (ZKzrr)

116 Crazy shit I heard last night, local lawyer--so Dem she hosts a Dem info booth in front of her office during the street fair--said she agrees with a lot of what the local conservative talk show host says when she listens but, more or less, "ick, he's a Republican."

BTW, that is bigotry and narrowminded thinking.

She's probably a racist, too.

FYI, as to the damaged brand thing, look at the Tea Party. Sorry, but that's even worse. When the media is against you, you're the other.

A third party would be even worse vis-a-vis the brand. Far worse, in fact.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 05, 2013 11:41 AM (T0NGe)

117 So..when will the time come when all Conservatives tell the Republican party to F**k off and go away?

If you can't beat 'em...start another party.


Posted by: Lend me a credible answer at February 05, 2013 11:38 AM (yXUM


Don't you know that doing that is COWARDLY? All it accomplishes is letting the Democrats win! You're such a bad person for suggesting it!

[/sarc]

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 05, 2013 11:41 AM (4df7R)

118 Call it sad, but I don't actually remember who I voted for in the '08 primary.

I think some weird confluence of events landed MO's '08 primary in like August, effectively rendering it moot for presidential politics. So I may have not actually gone and primaried. (I don't think many other races were heavily contested. We had an odd year sans Senator race (that only happens very rarely.) And our congressional districts are pretty heavily gerrymandered anyway.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 05, 2013 11:42 AM (O4M29)

119 The Hagel nomination isn't the hill to die on.

Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at February 05, 2013 11:42 AM (xNsGR)

120 IF the Dems all hold, I'd wager that the 5 most likely to break are Collins, McCain, Mark Kirk, Murkowski, and either Cornyn or Lamar Alexander.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 05, 2013 11:39 AM (e0xKF)

Well unless he changes his mind that Thad prick from MIss has already committed to voting for hagel

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 05, 2013 11:42 AM (9Bj8R)

121 The GOP never got around to punishing MAVERICK! for fucking over Chimpy....

Punishing him? They washed his balls for 8 years.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 05, 2013 11:42 AM (8y9MW)

122 Maybe we're better off letting this stammering asshat get confirmed so he can make Obuttfuck look even more incompetent for the rest of his term.

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at February 05, 2013 11:42 AM (KSjsb)

123 2 is as sad as 1. Its the loneliest number since the number 1.

Posted by: Muad'dib at February 05, 2013 11:42 AM (KjlbF)

124 111 Posted by: RoyalOil at February 05, 2013 11:40 AM (VjL9S)


This could have been the second term of teh Fred? If only...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 05, 2013 11:42 AM (XkWWK)

125 102
So..when will the time come when all Conservatives tell the Republican party to F**k off and go away?

If you can't beat 'em...start another party.


I've already decided to vote libertarian, i'm not going to waste any more time trying to move republicans to the right when libertarians are already there. No more watching republicans cave and then assure us proles that they'll get 'em next time, i'm done.

Posted by: booger at February 05, 2013 11:42 AM (HI6wa)

126 He's bitter that the Republican Party isn't fawning all over him like they did in the GWBush years and during the 2008 Presidential campaign. He had his shot and blew it, giving us The Most Unqualified President Ever™. AZ, please do your patriotic duty and de-elect McCain next election.
Posted by: Anonymous Coward
***

Those of us with brainsTRIED. However the halfwits here said if we elected J.D. Hayworth he'd be around forever while McCain will be around for only one more term. They really didn't think McCain could do much damage. IDIOTS!!

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 05, 2013 11:42 AM (uhftQ)

127 100 SH,

right and our continual unilateral ceding of Presidential preference to a donkey party that filibustered Bush mercilessly sure did gain us uh..."anything" with the electorate...

Posted by: sven10077 at February 05, 2013 11:43 AM (LRFds)

128 This post = Rosey Grier

The other post = Ray Milland>>

Both played by Brian Dennehy

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 05, 2013 11:43 AM (qo244)

129 I watched the hearings. The mans a FKN dunce. So who's army will I be fighting off in my backyard, The Chinese, Russian, A Rabs or the Free Shit. Maybe blue helmets?

Hooray, we have a anti semite sec def, and he has a cadre of generals that won't mind firing on American citizens.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 05, 2013 11:43 AM (l86i3)

130 120 IF the Dems all hold, I'd wager that the 5 most likely to break are Collins, McCain, Mark Kirk, Murkowski, and either Cornyn or Lamar Alexander.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 05, 2013 11:39 AM (e0xKF)

Well unless he changes his mind that Thad prick from MIss has already committed to voting for hagel

---

Cochran is one of the longest-tenured Republicans in the Senate and a pork king.

He's probaly good buddies with Hagel and figures he'll get some good pork from the SCOAMF for pushing him through.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 05, 2013 11:43 AM (e0xKF)

131 I wonder what fake crisis the media will use to try and help push his confirmation through? Remember how they did that with Big Sis and Sebelius. There was some bullshit "crisis" that required their immediate confirmations.

Posted by: buzzion at February 05, 2013 11:43 AM (GULKT)

132 Brandon - no way Cornyn breaks the hold. He will do whatever Cruz does. If you get Cruz and Cornyn, you probably get Rubio who has to get back into conservative good graces. You then get McConnel who wants to avoid a tea party challenge. Start building some momentum that we will not break hold. It may not ultimately stop Hagel from being confirmed, but makes it more difficult. Its one thing for McCain to say we shouldn't filibuster him, another for him to break hold. Force him to put his vote where his mouth is.

Posted by: SH at February 05, 2013 11:43 AM (gmeXX)

133 Hey Tilikum. I was hatched at Carle Clinic. Many moons ago.

Posted by: Muad'dib at February 05, 2013 11:43 AM (KjlbF)

134 Anyway, I'm sure whoever deep blue Iowa and deep blue New Hampshire pick
as the the Republican nominee in 2016 will be a true, bona fide
conservative.


McCain didn't win Iowa in 2008.
Romney didn't win Iowa in 2012.

But don't let reality get in the way of a good temper tantrum.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 05, 2013 11:44 AM (ZKzrr)

135 Well unless he changes his mind that Thad prick from MIss has already committed to voting for hagel

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 05, 2013 11:42 AM (9Bj8R)
IIRC Sleeza MooCowSki already committed to voting for him too.

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at February 05, 2013 11:44 AM (KSjsb)

136 Hey, I gotta go get the papers, get the papers.

Frankie Two-Times

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 05, 2013 11:44 AM (XkWWK)

137 Double whammy Tuesday.

Posted by: YIKES! at February 05, 2013 11:44 AM (mETGQ)

138 McVain just be lovin' that MFM face time. Dickwad.

Posted by: eureka! at February 05, 2013 11:44 AM (HPRku)

139 Those of us with brainsTRIED. However the halfwits here said if we elected J.D. Hayworth he'd be around forever while McCain will be around for only one more term. They really didn't think McCain could do much damage. IDIOTS!!

---

I pushed JD hard because, no matter how stupid he was, he would be less dangerous as a freshman idiot than McCain would be as a senior Republican who is a media whore.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 05, 2013 11:44 AM (e0xKF)

140 Maybe we're better off letting this stammering asshat get confirmed so he can make Obuttfuck look even more incompetent for the rest of his term.


****

Former Senator, Republican Chuck Hagel to implement steep cuts in defense...

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 05, 2013 11:44 AM (piMMO)

141 Joe Kennedy is running TV spots promoting Venezuela’s Citgo oil again.

http://tinyurl.com/bf9dg38

Unlike the previous spots I’ve seen, the new ones (which I can’t find on the web) include a personal ‘thanks’ to dictator Hugo Chavez.

What a shameless piece of shit. A lying piece of shit. For despite what he says, almost every energy company has special programs for low-income customers.

Posted by: CJ at February 05, 2013 11:45 AM (9KqcB)

142 121 AllenG,

yup I was on Bush for hurting conservatism but MAVERICK! basically fucked the GOP as a force at all....

I hate the motherfucker perhaps even more than SCOAMF! because Mccain in theory hurts the bill of Rights from "my side".....


Posted by: sven10077 at February 05, 2013 11:45 AM (LRFds)

143 119 The Hagel nomination isn't the hill to die on.
Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at February 05, 2013 11:42 AM (xNsGR)


I'm sick to death of that shit. The Dems die on EVERY hill, whether or not they are in power. As I always say:

"If we do not choose a hill to die on, the left will choose a ditch for us to die in."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 05, 2013 11:46 AM (XkWWK)

144 So hagel is gonna get thru and ruin Defense and later today obama will call for more taxes. Shit I need a drink or a bottle or 2

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 05, 2013 11:46 AM (9Bj8R)

145 um ... umph ... uh

Poland?

Posted by: Chuck Hagel at February 05, 2013 11:46 AM (EZl54)

146
OT: http://tinyurl.com/bbhxnfu

I give up.

Honestly, what difference does it make at this point. /hillary

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 05, 2013 11:46 AM (p/cQy)

147 John McCain would rather have "Good government than freedom of speech"

Posted by: buzzion at February 05, 2013 11:47 AM (GULKT)

148 MMMM, Mrs. Sailor just brought me some bigot fries, a spicy Xenophobe sandwhich and a hate soda, yum.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 05, 2013 11:47 AM (l86i3)

149 The Hagel nomination isn't the hill to die on.
Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at February 05, 2013 11:42 AM (xNsGR)


I'm sick to death of that shit. The Dems die on EVERY hill, whether or not they are in power. As I always say:

"If we do not choose a hill to die on, the left will choose a ditch for us to die in."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 05, 2013 11:46 AM (XkWWK)

Damn right. the hagel nomination IS a hill to die on!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 05, 2013 11:47 AM (9Bj8R)

150 139 I pushed JD hard because, no matter how stupid he was, he would be less dangerous as a freshman idiot than McCain would be as a senior Republican who is a media whore.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 05, 2013 11:44 AM (e0xKF)


Every time I heard J.D. speak he sounded fine and sounded conservative. Oh well.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 05, 2013 11:47 AM (XkWWK)

151 So Obama's 2nd term strategy is to pick dim-bulb US Senators and/or former US Senators for cabinet positions, regardless of party, and all such candidates will sail thru the US Senate since they are members of that special little "club".

Obama is looking for stupid, incompetent people to use as window-dressing for his cabinet. The strongest stupid floats up to the US Senate, where they acquire the added bonus of tone deaf arrogance.

Posted by: Boots at February 05, 2013 11:47 AM (oG66P)

152 Look, you twerpy whiners, if we want some peace with the Taliban we are going to have to toss them a bone once in a while, and Hagel is it, so shut the @#$% up, or we'll post a drone over your houses, and yes, we have all of your URLs, bitches!

Posted by: J. McCain at February 05, 2013 11:47 AM (xZCgA)

153 I pushed JD hard because, no matter how stupid he was, he would be less dangerous as a freshman idiot than McCain would be as a senior Republican who is a media whore.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge
***

J.D. would have been far better than the ego-maniacal country club RINO we have now.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 05, 2013 11:48 AM (uhftQ)

154 Horrifying thought du jour...
During upcoming cabinet meetings, Barry might be the smartest person in the room.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at February 05, 2013 11:48 AM (SO2Q8)

155 I say, pistols at dawn.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 05, 2013 11:48 AM (4Mv1T)

156 with , "my friend's" like McCain we really don't .....

nevermind.
maybe i should learn to love honey boo boo

Posted by: ette at February 05, 2013 11:48 AM (nqBYe)

157 OK, is "chocolate emus" a euphemism, or do you mean chocolates in the shape of emus?


For once, it's not a euphemism, I mean chocolate in the shape of emus.


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 05, 2013 11:48 AM (VtjlW)

158 Bigot fries are high in saturated hate.

Posted by: Heyoooohhhhhh at February 05, 2013 11:49 AM (KXm42)

159 J.D. would have been far better than the ego-maniacal country club RINO we have now.
Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 05, 2013 11:48 AM (uhftQ)

I argued for JD and was called an idiot, well they were wrong, this time.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 05, 2013 11:49 AM (l86i3)

160 Talk, Talk
Mister, Mister
Duran, Duran...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 05, 2013 11:49 AM (XkWWK)

161 119 The Hagel nomination isn't the hill to die on.
Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at February 05, 2013 11:42 AM (xNsGR)
There is no hill to die on for the republican "leadership". They just keep giving up more territory while occasionally firing for effect.

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at February 05, 2013 11:50 AM (KSjsb)

162 Okay, let's set aside the Israel issue for a moment. What's Hagel's take on the mounting tensions in Asia, between China and Japan especially? Eh? If that flares up into a genuine conflagration, what would he suggest we do? And yeah, I know we're duty-bound to aid Japan due to treaties, but like that shit matters to this asshole regime.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 05, 2013 11:50 AM (4df7R)

163 Hey Tilikum. I was hatched at Carle Clinic. Many moons ago.
Posted by: Muad'dib
***

Your sand worms know how to party!

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 05, 2013 11:50 AM (uhftQ)

164 The The.


Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 05, 2013 11:50 AM (ZKzrr)

165 People who think that Iowa picks our nominees are idiots.

Posted by: Marmo at February 05, 2013 11:50 AM (QW+AD)

166 I pushed JD hard because, no matter how stupid he was, he would be less
dangerous as a freshman idiot than McCain would be as a senior
Republican who is a media whore.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge


The big thing here is that JD would not have had nearly the power that McCain does. He wasn't really a "Tea Party" choice, except that he was running against McCain- so he couldn't have expected just a ton of help there. He certainly wasn't the Establishment choice, so he wasn't going to get a whole lot of help there, either.

In short, his ability to do damage- no matter how stupid he was- would have been so limited as to make it a non-issue.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 05, 2013 11:50 AM (8y9MW)

167 As someone upthread said--scary but the Dems could pick someone even worse...I think. ugh.

Anyways.

Panetta is due to testify on Benghazi--

Thursday.

Posted by: tasker at February 05, 2013 11:50 AM (r2PLg)

168 Horrifying thought du jour...

During upcoming cabinet meetings, Barry might be the smartest person in the room.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at February 05, 2013 11:48 AM (SO2Q


That WOULD be terrifying, if Bammy ever actually met with his Cabinet.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 05, 2013 11:50 AM (4df7R)

169 Let's defeat Hagel and then move for McCain to get the gig. Time to get him out of the Senate.

Posted by: SH at February 05, 2013 11:51 AM (gmeXX)

170 and thus I cement Karl Rove's and his money folks, support, for next election!

Posted by: Juan McShame at February 05, 2013 11:51 AM (lZBBB)

171 164 The The.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 05, 2013 11:50 AM (ZKzrr)


Ooh, good one! What about Sylvain-Sylvain?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 05, 2013 11:51 AM (XkWWK)

172 I see everything twice!!

Posted by: The Soldier Who Saw Everything Twice at February 05, 2013 11:51 AM (Qeii5)

173 Obama is looking for stupid, incompetent people to use as window-dressing for his cabinet. The strongest stupid floats up to the US Senate, where they acquire the added bonus of tone deaf arrogance.
Posted by: Boots at February 05, 2013 11:47 AM (oG66P)

I can't get worked up on this one. I've tried. But the truth is that an ignorant, selfish, incompetent, andcorrupt electorate gets an ignorant, selfish, incompetent, and corrupt government.

These guys will make it burn. My prediction: Pain.

Posted by: Jollyroger at February 05, 2013 11:52 AM (t06LC)

174 BTW, I don't think McCain is actually to blame here.

He'll actually vote against Hagel, people are listing the Republicans who will vote for him.

I think the filibuster is a lost cause and so, in typical McCain fashion, he'll pretend it's a point of principle rather than a political reality.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 05, 2013 11:52 AM (T0NGe)

175 Karl Rove looks like one of the bloated piggies from "Animal Farm."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 05, 2013 11:52 AM (XkWWK)

176 Okay, let's set aside the Israel issue for a moment. What's Hagel's take on the mounting tensions in Asia, between China and Japan especially? Eh? If that flares up into a genuine conflagration, what would he suggest we do? And yeah, I know we're duty-bound to aid Japan due to treaties, but like that shit matters to this asshole regime.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 05, 2013 11:50 AM (4df7R)

It's very important to me. I'll take one from column A and 2 from column B.

Posted by: hagel at February 05, 2013 11:52 AM (9Bj8R)

177
McCain is too stupid to realize that his bullshit will not leave him the legacy of a wise and principled Senator. Instead, he'll be barely remembered, and in the same way as Arlen Specter.

Posted by: Ed Anger at February 05, 2013 11:52 AM (tOkJB)

178 I argued for JD and was called an idiot, well they were wrong, this time.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet
***

There are times where I feel like everyone around me is insane.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 05, 2013 11:52 AM (uhftQ)

179 134
Anyway, I'm sure whoever deep blue Iowa and deep blue New Hampshire pick

as the the Republican nominee in 2016 will be a true, bona fide

conservative.

McCain didn't win Iowa in 2008.
Romney didn't win Iowa in 2012.

But don't let reality get in the way of a good temper tantrum.
==============
That's not my point: My point is--NEITHER of those states, ANY deep blue state--should have no business picking the "conservative" party's nominee. But, because the Republican party gives them preference, we get shit as conservatives. While states that vote for Republicans have no say in who the nominee is.

I mean, in a system where Vermont--which elects an out and proud socialist--has just as much say in the policy of the Republican Party as Texas, that's not a system in which conservatives can win.

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 05, 2013 11:52 AM (VjL9S)

180 People who think that Iowa picks our nominees are idiots.

Posted by: Marmo at February 05, 2013 11:50 AM (QW+AD)

And yet, we have nominees still loving themselves come corn subsidies and sugar tariffs no matter how bad they're proven for the economy. Hmmmmm.....
(Does Iowa pick our nominee? Not really, but what it does allow is big government incredibly socially conservative candidates to stay in the running longer than they would have if we had some sort of primary cycle where different states led.)

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 05, 2013 11:52 AM (O4M29)

181 come on people, it's double content Tuesdays. At the same low price

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at February 05, 2013 11:52 AM (SO2Q8)

182 Do not question Mooches fat ass.


Alabama high school psychology teacher Bob Grisham has been suspended for 10 days without pay for a rant that included calling the first lady “fat butt Michelle Obama." A student in Grisham’s class made an audio recording of the remarks, which also included derogatory comments about gays.

Posted by: RWC at February 05, 2013 11:52 AM (fWAjv)

183
172 I see everything twice!!
Posted by: The Soldier Who Saw Everything Twice at February 05, 2013 11:51 AM (Qeii5)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxKCPjcvbys

Posted by: buzzion at February 05, 2013 11:52 AM (GULKT)

184 52 I see double. And I haven't started drinking yet.

---------

If you cross your eyes, it'll be 3D!

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at February 05, 2013 11:52 AM (FzhYM)

185 165 People who think that Iowa picks our nominees are idiots.

Posted by: Marmo at February 05, 2013 11:50 AM (QW+AD)


Several posts have nearly encapsulated the root of the matter today.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 05, 2013 11:53 AM (Qxe/p)

186 Mr. Mister.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 05, 2013 11:53 AM (4df7R)

187 162 Okay, let's set aside the Israel issue for a moment. What's Hagel's take on the mounting tensions in Asia, between China and Japan especially? Eh? If that flares up into a genuine conflagration, what would he suggest we do? And yeah, I know we're duty-bound to aid Japan due to treaties, but like that shit matters to this asshole regime.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 05, 2013 11:50 AM (4df7R)

_________________

During testimony he agreed to strengthening the Pacific fleet--which will get him the Mississippi votes. (Shipyards.)

It's possible the Republicans don't have enough to filibuster.

Posted by: tasker at February 05, 2013 11:53 AM (r2PLg)

188 What's Hagel's take on the mounting tensions in Asia, between China and Japan especially? Eh?

It's whatever Obama tells him it is.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 05, 2013 11:53 AM (l86i3)

189 There are times where I feel like everyone around me is insane.
Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 05, 2013 11:52 AM (uhftQ)


You and me both buddy

Posted by: Randle McMurphy at February 05, 2013 11:54 AM (9Bj8R)

190 NEW THREAD.

ADIOS!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 05, 2013 11:54 AM (XkWWK)

191 Isn't that North Korean video of the US burning ripped from Call of Duty: MW3? The first cutscene shows NYC being bombed to hell by Russians, right before your team is inserted to destroy the jammers.

Posted by: EC at February 05, 2013 11:54 AM (GQ8sn)

192 high school psychology teacher

What?

Posted by: AmishDude at February 05, 2013 11:54 AM (T0NGe)

193 You like my pet eunuchs?

McCain, Kasich, Hagel, Boehner

I use them to draw my chariot.

Posted by: Pharoahbama at February 05, 2013 11:54 AM (EZl54)

194 It's possible the Republicans don't have enough to filibuster.
Posted by: tasker at February 05, 2013 11:53 AM (r2PLg)

It ONLY takes one Senator to put a hold on the nomination and cause the filibuster. Now they may not have enough to sustain it, but that is another matter

Posted by: Randle McMurphy at February 05, 2013 11:55 AM (9Bj8R)

195 174 BTW, I don't think McCain is actually to blame here.

He'll actually vote against Hagel, people are listing the Republicans who will vote for him.

I think the filibuster is a lost cause and so, in typical McCain fashion, he'll pretend it's a point of principle rather than a political reality.
Posted by: AmishDude at February 05, 2013 11:52 AM (T0NGe)

___________________________

Yep.

Posted by: tasker at February 05, 2013 11:55 AM (r2PLg)

196 SO

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 05, 2013 11:55 AM (9Bj8R)

197 That's not my point: My point is--NEITHER of those states, ANY deep blue state--should have no business picking the "conservative" party's nominee.

Iowa's a caucus, and so the most activist, loyal and interested Republicans vote for candidates. The Iowa caucuses are more red than an open primary in any state and a closed primary in, say, Texas.

New Hampshire, however, has the open primaries.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 05, 2013 11:55 AM (T0NGe)

198 During testimony he agreed to strengthening the Pacific fleet--which will get him the Mississippi votes. (Shipyards.)



It's possible the Republicans don't have enough to filibuster.

Posted by: tasker at February 05, 2013 11:53 AM (r2PLg)
Lemme guess, they're going to build more of those piece of shit littoral combat ships that aren't survivable and are already having serious structural problems?

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at February 05, 2013 11:56 AM (KSjsb)

199 194 It's possible the Republicans don't have enough to filibuster.
Posted by: tasker at February 05, 2013 11:53 AM (r2PLg)

It ONLY takes one Senator to put a hold on the nomination and cause the filibuster. Now they may not have enough to sustain it, but that is another matter
Posted by: Randle McMurphy at February 05, 2013 11:55 AM (9Bj8R)

______________________________

Well I would like to see what Rand Paul does.

A lot of Senators have come out against Hagel--haven't heard about his position.

Posted by: tasker at February 05, 2013 11:56 AM (r2PLg)

200 Alabama high school psychology teacher Bob Grisham has been suspended for 10 days without pay for a rant that included calling the first lady “fat butt Michelle Obama."

There was a link earlier to a WashPo articleon that which begins "They're at it again..." A secretly-recorded Alabama high school teacher now represents the entirety of the Right.

Posted by: CJ at February 05, 2013 11:56 AM (9KqcB)

201 During upcoming cabinet meetings, Barry might be the smartest person in the room.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at February 05, 2013 11:48 AM (SO2Q

-----
Whoa there Buzz Lightyear..... YOU just made my list.

Posted by: Valerie Jarret at February 05, 2013 11:56 AM (nELVU)

202 I hope this has nothing to do with his kid's promotion

Posted by: Jean at February 05, 2013 11:56 AM (Is+Nb)

203 the true proof that God is not on our side is that McCain is still around.

Posted by: mallfly at February 05, 2013 11:56 AM (bJm7W)

204 in a system where Vermont--which elects an out and proud socialist--has
just as much say in the policy of the Republican Party as Texas


Vermont has 17 delegates. Texas has 155.

You might want to shut up and go do some reading, because you look like a dumbass.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 05, 2013 11:56 AM (ZKzrr)

205 And yet, we have nominees still loving themselves come corn subsidies and sugar tariffs no matter how bad they're proven for the economy. Hmmmmm.....(Does Iowa pick our nominee? Not really, but what it does allow is big government incredibly socially conservative candidates to stay in the running longer than they would have if we had some sort of primary cycle where different states led.)

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 05, 2013 11:52 AM (O4M29)


And the result would be differnt if any other blue state held the first primaries? Explain that to me.

Posted by: Marmo at February 05, 2013 11:57 AM (QW+AD)

206 John McCain would rather have "Good government than freedom of speech"

***

Just tweeted:

@SenJohnMcCain So, it's less unseemly to place an incompetent in the position of SoD than to filibuster? Your concern for propriety is noted

and

The thing is @SenJohnMcCain, you are 1 of 100 and your expectation for deference to your opinion is, in itself, inappropriate.

I'm fed up with the old guard expecting the Reps and Senators representing half the nation to just fall in line. John McCain, as a Senator, does not represent me directly. Rubio, however, does, and falling in line out of respect disregards what may be best for his own constituency. (Not to say that he has, only that McCain expects it.)

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 05, 2013 11:57 AM (piMMO)

207 Your comments are immediately replicated on the replicated thread.

Posted by: Marmo at February 05, 2013 11:31 AM (QW+AD)

Whew -- that's a relief!

Posted by: Minnie Rodent? Again?Your comments are immediately replicated on the replicated thread. Posted by: at February 05, 2013 11:58 AM (S3rrR)

208 Hagel is by far the best we're going to do under an Obama admin.

Frankly, I don't see what all the fuss is about.

Posted by: fyscyl clyff at February 05, 2013 11:58 AM (380tA)

209 So Mr. McCain, name one hill you are willing to die on?(waits) Exactly, self preservation is the only thing you are interested in. My only wish would have been for you to have finished third in the 2008 election.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at February 05, 2013 11:58 AM (n8LUb)

210 Piers stupidly visited Ted at his ranch

***

Piers v. Ted = Mike Tyson v. Woody Allen

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 05, 2013 12:01 PM (Hx5uv)

211 So Mr. McCain, name one hill you are willing to die on?(waits) Exactly, self preservation is the only thing you are interested in. My only wish would have been for you to have finished third in the 2008 election.


***

He MUST go. It is as important to those of us he doesn't represent as to those he does.

He has deliberately milked the respect for his service.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 05, 2013 12:01 PM (piMMO)

212 Aren't there a few (well, about two or three) Democrat senators who are anti-Hagel? Or was this last week's maneuverings?

Posted by: Minnie Rodent? Again? at February 05, 2013 12:01 PM (S3rrR)

213 Alabama high school psychology teacher Bob Grisham has been suspended for 10 days without pay for a rant that included calling the first lady “fat butt Michelle Obama."

Obviously he should have said she "looks like astar in a classic blockbuster film". (He would not have had to nameChewbacca.)

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at February 05, 2013 12:02 PM (n8LUb)

214 I don't think filibustering Hagel is the appropriate thing to do either in the absence of some illegal activity on his part.I would add that every Republican should vote NO.

Posted by: polynikes at February 05, 2013 12:03 PM (m2CN7)

215 My Daddy's kewl! You people r just H8trs!

Posted by: Tits McGee at February 05, 2013 12:04 PM (ay6+/)

216 Okay, question:

Moving past the knee-jerk "HEY FUCK THIS GUY FUCK OBAMA FUCK EVERYTHING" reflex response, can anybody explain to me why we should filibuster Hagel?

Incompetence? Incompetence isn't enough. We have incompetent people running pretty much every cabinet department and administrative agency in this administration. Spite? Spite is a stupid way to do things. Anti-Israel? Newsflash: if you think Chuck Hagel is going to be the guy making policy decisions regarding Israel, you're an idiot.

Defeating his nomination is a victory that "wins" nothing for us. No votes, no substantive changes in administration policy. I'm tired of people who are so deranged by the Democratic victory in 2012 that they thing the only thing Republicans can and must do is fight EVERYTHING. They already defeated Susan Rice.

Honestly, we are far better off if Hagel is confirmed and, as predicted, turns out to be an utter debacle. He won't last long -- bad SecDefs rarely do, just ask Les Aspin. That hurts the administration far more than filibustering him, having Obama appoint a (competent, female) alternative in Michelle Flournoy, and getting nothing.

Think, people. Tell me what filibustering Hagel would ACTUALLY gain us substantively, and what it would cost us substantively. Actually game out those matters. Because it doesn't seem like anybody here is. Obama is going to eventually have his minion to do his dirty work. I'd much rather he have it be a guy with an >50% chance of spectacular, administration-discrediting catastrophic political failure than have it be a colorless functionary who won't do any visible political damage.

Posted by: Jeff B. at February 05, 2013 12:04 PM (6nNdM)

217 I was disappointed that most Rs voted for Kerry, but I guess he's "qualified" for the job, so I wasn't surprised that they rubber-stamped him.

Hagel, OTOH, seems out of his depth. He'd be a dangerous appointment.

The Senate Rs should block him.

Posted by: Y-not at February 05, 2013 12:05 PM (5H6zj)

218 He MUST go. It is as important to those of us he doesn't represent as to those he does. He has deliberately milked the respect for his service.
-----
Where is the Arizona version of Ted Cruz?

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at February 05, 2013 12:05 PM (n8LUb)

219 Why bother having the Senate vote on appointees if incompetence is not reason to block an appointment?

Posted by: Y-not at February 05, 2013 12:06 PM (5H6zj)

220
"I'm sick to death of that shit. The Dems die on EVERY hill, whether or not they are in power."


No they don't. They take every hill. We die losing the hill, then roll into the ditch.

Posted by: rrpjr at February 05, 2013 12:07 PM (yBrS/)

221 I knew our programming would kick in sooner or later.

Posted by: Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap at February 05, 2013 12:08 PM (o44nj)

222 No sweat. Hagel will do the same fine job for DOD that Hillary has done for (to?) State.

Posted by: Minnie Rodent? Again? at February 05, 2013 12:09 PM (S3rrR)

223 People who think that Iowa picks our nominees are idiots.

Posted by: Marmo at February 05, 2013 11:50 AM (QW+AD)


And people who think the RNC don't pick them are bigger idiots. And also retards.

Posted by: Vic at February 05, 2013 12:11 PM (53z96)

224 Hey Foghorn, I'm more than willing to die on Capitol Hill. They're going to have to carry me out of here because otherwise I'll be here forever.

Posted by: Juan McAmnesty at February 05, 2013 12:12 PM (o44nj)

225 It's Twofer Tuesday

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 05, 2013 12:12 PM (8sCoq)

226 Why bother having the Senate vote on appointees if incompetence is not reason to block an appointment?
Posted by: Y-not at February 05, 2013 12:06 PM (5H6zj)

Voting No is the tool to blocking an appointment. Just because there may not be enough No votes does not support a filibuster as the default position. This is an advise and consent procedure.

Posted by: polynikes at February 05, 2013 12:13 PM (m2CN7)

227 It ONLY takes one Senator to put a hold on the
nomination and cause the filibuster. Now they may not have enough to
sustain it, but that is another matter

Posted by: Randle McMurphy at February 05, 2013 11:55 AM (9Bj8R)

That ONLY applies to the judicial committee.

Posted by: Vic at February 05, 2013 12:13 PM (53z96)

228 Posted by: Vic at February 05, 2013 12:11 PM (53z96)

RNC and the MBM.

Vic, your Article V idea is terrifyingly awful, but your simple plan for the primaries would repair much of the damage done to the Republican party by the inside-the-beltway assholes.

Vic for RNC chair!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 05, 2013 12:14 PM (GsoHv)

229 And people who think the RNC don't pick them are bigger idiots. And also retards.

Posted by: Vic at February 05, 2013 12:11 PM (53z96)


You got that right, Vic.

Posted by: Marmo at February 05, 2013 12:15 PM (QW+AD)

230 No they don't. They take every hill. We die losing the hill, then roll into the ditch.

Posted by: rrpjr at February 05, 2013 12:07 PM (yBrS/)

LOL

No, wait. That's not funny. That's true.

I'm going to be sick.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 05, 2013 12:15 PM (GsoHv)

231 Vic for RNC chair!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 05, 2013 12:14 PM (GsoHv)

according Vic that means he gets to pick the nominee.

Posted by: polynikes at February 05, 2013 12:15 PM (m2CN7)

232 >> according Vic that means he gets to pick the nominee. <<

Ace/Iowahawk 2016

Posted by: steveegg at February 05, 2013 12:16 PM (o44nj)

233 Rove knows who the best candidates are. Trust him.

/puke

Posted by: Marmo at February 05, 2013 12:17 PM (QW+AD)

234 And people who think the RNC don't pick them are bigger idiots. And also retards.

Thank goodness that you (and only you), the impervious Vic, were immune to the super secret RNC mind-control rays that forced untold thousands against their will to vote for the preferred Establishment candidate.

How did you do it? Tinfoil? Gene splicing? Faraday cage?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 05, 2013 12:17 PM (SY2Kh)

235 Voting No is the tool to blocking an appointment. Just because there may not be enough No votes does not support a filibuster as the default position.
----

Voting NO is an act of futility. If Senators object to a nominee on substantive (non political) grounds, such as competency, they should use every legal means necessary to block that appointee.

This isn't a fucking game. He's up for Secretary of Defense, not dog-catcher.

Posted by: Y-not at February 05, 2013 12:18 PM (5H6zj)

236 Vic'spick as head of RNCwould be:

None of the above. They are all RINOs!!!!!!!!

Posted by: polynikes at February 05, 2013 12:18 PM (m2CN7)

237 236 Vic'spick as head of RNCwould be:

None of the above. They are all RINOs!!!!!!!!

Posted by: polynikes at February 05, 2013 12:18 PM (m2CN7)


You could translate this into: term limits. Not such a bad thing.

Posted by: Marmo at February 05, 2013 12:22 PM (QW+AD)

238 Never mind.

It's dead, Jim.

Posted by: Marmo at February 05, 2013 12:23 PM (QW+AD)

239
Filibuster, non!

Double post, si!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at February 05, 2013 12:26 PM (Jcd0S)

240 off topic but more yuck, from yahoo news:

During opening statements for the
first House Judiciary Committee hearing addressing comprehensive
immigration reform, the top ranking Democrat on the committee urged his
fellow members and the witnesses present to avoid using the phrase
"illegal immigrant" during the daylong proceedings.
"I hope no one uses the term
'illegal immigrants' here today," said Committee Ranking Member John
Conyers of Michigan. "Our citizens are not illeg—the people in this
country are not illegal. They are out of status. They're new Americans
that are immigrants, and I think we can forge a path to citizenship that
will be able to pass muster."

Posted by: mallfly at February 05, 2013 12:27 PM (bJm7W)

241 I would disband the RNC. Have primaries in the order by State that allowed the highest percentage Red go first.



I would have Red States pass laws that made being a Democrat a felony.

Posted by: Vic at February 05, 2013 12:27 PM (53z96)

242 This isn't a fucking game. He's up for Secretary of Defense, not dog-catcher.
Posted by: Y-not at February 05, 2013 12:18 PM (5H6zj)

Now that you've enlightened me about the importance, I will have to reconsider my thoughts. Oh my.

Posted by: polynikes at February 05, 2013 12:28 PM (m2CN7)

243 The GOP is current Oh-fer-the-last-2 years. At this point they have forgotten what a win tastes like. The Hagel nomination is winnable and important. Stop waiting for a 'better battle' and simply fight. Heck, half the Dems think Hagel is screwed based on last week.

There's always room under Obama's bus for another nominee. Susan Rice can use company.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at February 05, 2013 12:29 PM (n8LUb)

244 anyway, I got this email he other day from Prince Rebus at the RNC:

" Two years ago, we found a broken organization at the

RNC. But we accomplished the goals we set for ourselves. Our debt: we overcame
it. Our committee: we rebuilt it. Our reputation: we saved it. And in the
presidential race, no RNC has ever been a more supportive partner to a nominee

than we were. "

Dickhead, two years ago we got control of the House, took half a dozen seats in the Senate, and I don't know how much we gained in the statehouses, and you think things were broken?

yeah, we're in big trouble... Maybe they can take over FOX and replace people like Laura Ingraham with people like Arianna Huiffington. Yeah, that'll help us win next year.

Posted by: mallfly at February 05, 2013 12:31 PM (bJm7W)

245 by the way, I see that the GOP logo has half an elephant in the "O" -- looks more like the ass end, though.

Posted by: mallfly at February 05, 2013 12:33 PM (bJm7W)

246 I will happily read both posts on this.
I will happily read both posts on this.

Posted by: Vincent Twice Vincent Twice at February 05, 2013 12:36 PM (o6qwg)

247 Dickhead, two years ago we got control of the House, took half a dozen
seats in the Senate, and I don't know how much we gained in the
statehouses, and you think things were broken?


If you don't think the RNC was horribly broken under Steele, you weren't paying attention.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 05, 2013 12:39 PM (SY2Kh)

248 This McCain guy....he's not so good at politics.

Posted by: MTF at February 05, 2013 12:43 PM (B5y+v)

249 he's not an anti-Semite, he's a weak-kneed diplomat whose unwillingness to really criticize enemies (even when blame is obvious) is somehow mistaken for realism.

thing is, Obama's Israel Iran policy's gonna be what it's gonna be this term -- blocking Hagel may not ultimately amount to much. it would be nice if they showed some willingness though, considering there isn't much of a downside (how many Americans, outside of the hardcore Left and select Ronulan circles on the right, really care about this guy)

Posted by: JDP at February 05, 2013 12:47 PM (60GaT)

250 Hollowpoint, a broken organization a winning election beats a winning organization Obama being re-elected. Dunno if Reince is that much of an improvement over Steele, one can only hope.

Posted by: mallfly at February 05, 2013 12:49 PM (bJm7W)

251
So, the current RNC can do a good job of collecting money but can't win an election. And the only elections won recently were in spite of, not because of, the RNC? It should be bye bye Priebus (and please don't join MSNBC a la your predecessor to knock Republicans after getting paid a ton by them).

Posted by: ejo at February 05, 2013 12:50 PM (GXvSO)

252 216, Jeff B. "Think, people. Tell me what filibustering Hagel would ACTUALLY gain us substantively, and what it would cost us substantively. "

I have to admit, you've got a point. This isn't the NRLB, Obama's eventually going to have someone in the seat. Obama is the one making the decisions and he'll make the same stupid decisions no matter who's appointed. I expect Hagel to fail for the same reasons Clinton failed, but Hagel, unlike some of the alternatives, won't have the smarts or the juice to cover up the consequences.

Typically, if given no other choice, I prefer competent over incompetent. But in this case the incompetence is baked in.

Posted by: GalosGann at February 05, 2013 12:57 PM (T3KlW)

253 does Jeff B favor taking a hardline on anything?

just saying. like i'm not in favor for going kamikaze on the debt ceiling but i don't extrapolate that out to "always be compromising"

ultimately, Obama'll set the policy regardless of who's there. but the GOP could pretty easily make the case that Hagel isn't acceptable if they decided to block him.

Posted by: JDP at February 05, 2013 01:02 PM (60GaT)

254 Typically, if given no other choice, I prefer competent over incompetent. But in this case the incompetence is baked in.
Posted by: GalosGann at February 05, 2013 12:57 PM (T3KlW)


If we're getting incompetence no matter what why should we allow Obama his first choice? Hell why should we allow him his second choice?

Posted by: buzzion at February 05, 2013 01:02 PM (GULKT)

255 Can we kick this useless mother amnesty fucker out of the party? He is a fucking democrat with a fat daughter. Oh wait, most of them in leadership are democrats too...what difference does it make.

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright's Sock Puppet at February 05, 2013 01:35 PM (+OTLF)

256 "I'm sick to death of that shit. The Dems die on EVERY hill, whether or not they are in power."

True. They contest every issue to the bitter end. I remember on this site there were a lot of posts questioning the Democrats' willingness to be like lemmings going over the cliff with Obamacare.

I'm not knocking these posts with the wisdom of hindsight. I wondered myself how the Democrats stayed in lockstep no matter what. Well, guess how that worked out?

Senator McCain, is there ever a time when it is appropriate in the world of politics to fight to the end, using every trick in the book? You asked people to "Fight with me" in your campaign speech at your convention. When did you forget how to fight? Particularly when your adversary never hesitates to bring a gun to ANY fight, not just a knife fight.

Posted by: RM at February 05, 2013 01:37 PM (TRsME)

257 McCain...Fucking go away you turncoat traitor.

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright's Sock Puppet at February 05, 2013 01:53 PM (+OTLF)

258 I agree (in principle) with McCain that full deference has to be given to the POTUS's choices, but in this case Hagel is such a pathetic screwup that the ONLY responsible thing for the GOP to do is to filibuster him.

If they're not going to filibuster this clown-shoe are they ever going to filibuster ANYONE for ANY reason at all?

How about this, instead of refusing to filibuster Hagel, McCain should just push a bill to donate one functional nuclear warhead directly from our arsenal to Iran. Same effect, just with less posturing.



Posted by: looking closely at February 05, 2013 02:02 PM (PwGfd)

259 filibuster +OTLF

Posted by: JDP at February 05, 2013 02:24 PM (60GaT)

260 Why not let Obama have Hagel? If he's going to fuck this country up the ass, he might as well own it completely. I just don't understand why the GOP is fighting over this shit, but then are going to let amnesty slide right on through.


Posted by: Vercingetorix at February 05, 2013 04:25 PM (BTe/E)

261 Vic:
241
I would disband the RNC. Have primaries in the order by State that allowed the highest percentage Red go first.

I would have Red States pass laws that made being a Democrat a felony.***

Have I told you lately that I love you?

Posted by: Klawnet at February 05, 2013 04:52 PM (ePxxX)

262 "Don't Filibuster Hagel."

You can say that again.

Posted by: Mr. Peabody at February 05, 2013 05:50 PM (Hq48F)






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