Betting on Yourself: Republicans Hope to Spark Revival by Implementing Red-State Model in Republican-Controled States

Simple enough theory: If they won't listen to your rhetoric, maybe they'll listen to your results.

f successful, the combined tax cuts and pared government spending could reignite slumbering state economies and draw in new residents, while positioning Mr. Brownback and governors such as Louisiana’s Bobby Jindal and Indiana’s Mike Pence for potential White House bids.

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The tax gambles under way in the red states contrast sharply with proposals put forward by some Democratic governors. The governors of Minnesota and Massachusetts have proposed raising income taxes while cutting the sales tax. The trend promises to create unusually stark divisions between conservative and liberal states.

Posted by: Ace at 10:38 AM



Comments

1 I hope it works. Return to the states being laboratories to prove out ideas. Instead of top down directed social planning as we have seen.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 05, 2013 10:39 AM (vN8uH)

2 This makes way too much sense for Republican. Check the basement for pods.

Posted by: toby928© Person of Pallor at February 05, 2013 10:39 AM (evdj2)

3 10:38 am? Who are you what did you do with Ace?

Posted by: Muad'dib at February 05, 2013 10:40 AM (KjlbF)

4 The problem, of course, is that prosperity summons the locust as well as the productive.

Posted by: toby928© Person of Pallor at February 05, 2013 10:40 AM (evdj2)

5 Illegals pay sales tax.

Posted by: zsasz at February 05, 2013 10:40 AM (wWb/B)

6 Liberals will move there and fuck them up too. Look at Colorado, Washington, and pretty soon Virginia.

Posted by: Mr Pink at February 05, 2013 10:41 AM (KfEiI)

7 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 05, 2013 10:41 AM (8y9MW)

8 If they won't listen to your rhetoric, maybe they'll listen to your results.

You'd think so, wouldn't you?

Posted by: Texas at February 05, 2013 10:42 AM (8y9MW)

9 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

With apologies to Paul Atreides above, his name is an economy killing word.

Posted by: toby928© Person of Pallor at February 05, 2013 10:42 AM (evdj2)

10 Posted by: toby928© Person of Pallor at February 05, 2013 10:42 AM (evdj2)


Funny

Posted by: Mr Pink at February 05, 2013 10:43 AM (KfEiI)

11 This works as long as blue state shithole FSA bots stay in their blue state shitholes, and not move to red states to take advantage of the prosperity while continuing to vote for blue state shithole policies.

Posted by: EC at February 05, 2013 10:43 AM (GQ8sn)

12 I think this can work, IF the red states start enforcing entitlement reforms. People who will work for a living do not mind them. And it will turn the red states redder. If you are a lazy member of the FSA why would stay in a state that requires you to pass a drug test before you can get a pull off that sweet EBT titt.

Posted by: gigg at February 05, 2013 10:43 AM (41VCE)

13 If they won't listen to your rhetoric, maybe they'll listen to your results.

But will the results occur in time in time to, and be an example for, staving off the DOOM! to come?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 05, 2013 10:44 AM (zF6Iw)

14 Fucking Federalism!! How does it work?!?

Posted by: toby928© presents another finely crafted comment at February 05, 2013 10:44 AM (evdj2)

15 With apologies to Paul Atreides above, his name is an economy killing word.


Nice. You just won a Platinum AoSHQ Membership.

Posted by: EC at February 05, 2013 10:44 AM (GQ8sn)

16 I thought Mugabe was an economy killing word.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 05, 2013 10:45 AM (vN8uH)

17 Meanwhile, several key Republican Governors such as Kasich, Martinez, Brewer and a couple of others have thrown in the towel on expanding their states' Medicaid rolls to comply with Obamacare.

Jeez, if we can't at least hold the line at the state level - and in states where the statehouses and legislatures are majority or supermajority R - then we really have nothing to slow down the juggernaut, even marginally.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 05, 2013 10:45 AM (XkWWK)

18 This works as long as blue state shithole FSA bots stay in their blue
state shitholes, and not move to red states to take advantage of the
prosperity while continuing to vote for blue state shithole policies.


That seems not to be a problem in Texas, actually. We've been importing "blue state shithole FSA bots" for about a decade now, and we're getting MORE red.

Or maybe its that the FSA bots are staying home ("What? Move to Texas? But they don't pay for X!") while the productive class from the blue states is fleeing here.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 05, 2013 10:45 AM (8y9MW)

19 Obama will just claim credit. These things called 'states' are just fevered dreams of extremists, all good comes from Washington.

Posted by: zsasz at February 05, 2013 10:45 AM (wWb/B)

20 This was the idea I had not too long ago. Show Americans that Republican ideas work. If you transform how red states operate and have an explosion of success by lowering taxes, reducing the costs of operating business, etc., you can then move those ideas up the ladder to the federal government. Patience. We will get there. Despite the weight of Obama and his administration.

Posted by: KJB at February 05, 2013 10:45 AM (ZhB0u)

21 If this works then it will be a police example of Obama's tax cutting policies helping the broader ecOnomy.

Posted by: JEan at February 05, 2013 10:46 AM (KfEiI)

22 You left out NC. Gov McCrory is proposing eliminating all income taxes. The GOP controls both houses and the governorship.


It's going to be fun.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the 1% at February 05, 2013 10:46 AM (wR+pz)

23
Don't worry wingnuts, We aren't leaving.

Posted by: Gay Marriage and Free Stuff for Bums at February 05, 2013 10:46 AM (VrVBw)

24 Remains of Richard III found under parking lot. Must be reassuring news for the Hoffa family. Just give it more time.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 05, 2013 10:46 AM (wbmaj)

25 Interesting idea, wow something conservatives have been advocating for years. But here is the thing, you need to do more than just implement red-state policies. You haveto either change or keep the culture and you have to make structural reforms that make it difficult to implement blue state policies. Such as becoming right to work states.

One reason Texas is successful is because of the cultural environment here. People don't move to Texas because of the weather, thus, Texas doesn't put the environment above exploiting natural resources like California does. The Texas legistlature meets once every other year and for a short duration. Texas teaches Texas history to all 7th graders. These are a few examples of cultural and structural things that need to either be in place and then remain in place.

The urge to spend other people's money is strong. And when times are good, people seem to not as care as much, because there is so much to go around. It is when times are bad that you really see the difference bewtween red and blue states.

Good luck. It's smart to fight the battles we might actually win while we can.

Posted by: SH at February 05, 2013 10:46 AM (gmeXX)

26 I wouldn't get too excited on Jindal and taxes yet.

The kinds of changes he's talking about will require a total overhaul of taxes at the municipal and parish level as well, as the state sales tax rate will have to go from 4% to probably 8-9%.

Since the municipalities and parishes in Louisiana have up to 4-5% in sales taxes themselves, it either means an unworkable 15% sales tax OR trying to convert those municipality and parish tax bases to another format, such as property taxes.

That's not even going into the money that the state will forego from various programs by not collecting individual income tax, such as from the federal-state match program to find taxpayers who give differing information on their federal and state returns.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 05, 2013 10:47 AM (e0xKF)

27 I want something even more radical, let Texas or some other red state go full 10th Amendment and refuse both Federal largess and Federal mandates. Secede in place, as it were.

Posted by: toby928© presents another finely crafted comment at February 05, 2013 10:47 AM (evdj2)

28 #23 Thank God! "BULLS EYE JANET IN 2016"

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 05, 2013 10:47 AM (wbmaj)

29 That seems not to be a problem in Texas, actually. We've been importing
"blue state shithole FSA bots" for about a decade now, and we're getting
MORE red.


Texas may seem to be the exception. In NC, we've had a large influx of NY'ers coming down in droves and "blue-ing" the state until 2008 happened. We just barely got it back to red this past November.

Posted by: EC at February 05, 2013 10:48 AM (GQ8sn)

30 Honestly- I think the Red States should do this- but they need to do it because its the right thing to do, not because it will help anyone's political prospects.

This is because it won't help anyone's political prospects. The only stories we'll get about the Red State prosperity will be about how the "poor are being left behind," and how "sales taxes are the most regressive tax" (which is true, but irrelevant), and so forth.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 05, 2013 10:48 AM (8y9MW)

31 20 This was the idea I had not too long ago. Show Americans that Republican ideas work

It's hard to get that through people's heads when they still will argue that Detroit's problems have nothing to do with that fact it has been run by democrats for the past 50 years.

Posted by: jwest at February 05, 2013 10:48 AM (ZDsRL)

32 15 With apologies to Paul Atreides above, his name is an economy killing word.


Nice. You just won a Platinum AoSHQ Membership.

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"He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." - Paul Muad'dib

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 05, 2013 10:48 AM (e0xKF)

33 Did somebody go down the Rabbit hole recently with Dune? Anyway no man is an Island so I guess Iam still stuck here in Mexifornia with the 3 Evil Princesses of Politics Eh?

Posted by: Clemenza at February 05, 2013 10:48 AM (x59Gv)

34 Texas may seem to be the exception. In NC, we've had a large influx of NY'ers coming down in droves and "blue-ing" the state until 2008 happened. We just barely got it back to red this past November.

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I thought the bluing wasn't from NY as much as the fact that the entire state of Chihuahua moved into the textile industry there.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 05, 2013 10:49 AM (e0xKF)

35 Texas teaches Texas history to all 7th graders.

When I was in school, it was 6th and 7th grade. US history was then 8th [insert ampersand here, dammit] 9th grade.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 05, 2013 10:49 AM (8y9MW)

36 Sec. of the DHS fighting it out with the former Sec. of State for the Democrats' Presidential nod. Talk about a mud wrestling contest where no one wants the mud to come off....

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 05, 2013 10:50 AM (vN8uH)

37 Okay leave the State take the Cannoli...

Posted by: Clemenza at February 05, 2013 10:50 AM (x59Gv)

38 Sec. of the DHS fighting it out with the former Sec. of State for the Democrats' Presidential nod.

Don't forget Slow Joe.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 05, 2013 10:50 AM (B/VB5)

39 17 Meanwhile, several key Republican Governors such as Kasich, Martinez, Brewer and a couple of others have thrown in the towel on expanding their states' Medicaid rolls to comply with Obamacare.

Yep, even the govs who have led on other issues, too.

So do we just shift the deadbeats into Medicaid, now? We keep paying for them anyway, this time with taxes, too? So what's the effing improvement supposed to be?

Posted by: zsasz at February 05, 2013 10:50 AM (wWb/B)

40
This works as long as blue state shithole FSA bots stay in their blue state shitholes, and not move to red states to take advantage of the prosperity while continuing to vote for blue state shithole policies.

With Blue economic policies in place, they won't be able to afford to move.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 05, 2013 10:50 AM (+z4pE)

41 "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." - Paul Muad'dib

Economics 101, and why Government should stay as far away from "health care" as possible.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 05, 2013 10:50 AM (8y9MW)

42 36 Sec. of the DHS fighting it out with the former Sec. of State for the Democrats' Presidential nod. Talk about a mud wrestling contest where no one wants the mud to come off....

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I'd be shocked if Napolitano The Hutt were a serious candidate. Probably a little more shocked than if Slow Joe got the nod.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 05, 2013 10:51 AM (e0xKF)

43 I thought the bluing wasn't from NY as much as the fact that the entire
state of Chihuahua moved into the textile industry there.


Our textile industries pretty much dried up in the late 90's early 2000's.

Posted by: EC at February 05, 2013 10:51 AM (GQ8sn)

44 Or maybe its that the FSA bots are staying home ("What? Move to Texas? But they don't pay for X!") while the productive class from the blue states is fleeing here.

ELVENTY! Productive liberals can be retrained. It takes massive beating and re-education camps. But I have yet to meet an self-described "smart" liberal. Who had a job that thought welfare reform was a bad idea. Many of them are outright racist about it, but each and every one was angry about the FSA.

But they keep voting for pols that support the FSA, because they just don't get it. They have been brainwashed to thinking that supporting conservative ideals makes you a nazi, or whatever. And for them it is all about appearances i guess.

Fucking libtards, too crippled by perception to be or attain anything of note.

Posted by: gigg at February 05, 2013 10:51 AM (41VCE)

45 41 "He who can destroy a thing, controls a thing." - Paul Muad'dib

Economics 101, and why Government should stay as far away from "health care" as possible.

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"Health care", coal, petroleum, nuclear, the economy...

Obama sure controls a lot of stuff.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 05, 2013 10:52 AM (e0xKF)

46 Allen I remember it being 7th grade, but I may be misremembering as they say. The point is that we should spend a full year teaching it, and more is probably not bad. A semester refresher in high school would be wise too. Of course so long as it is the same Texas history I learned not some revisionist CRIT history.

Posted by: SH at February 05, 2013 10:52 AM (gmeXX)

47 Meanwhile, several key Republican Governors such as Kasich, Martinez,
Brewer and a couple of others have thrown in the towel on expanding
their states' Medicaid rolls to comply with Obamacare.




This is me pointedly not gloating about Governor Perry's State of the State address.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 05, 2013 10:52 AM (8y9MW)

48 If those Immigration REFORMS take place game over, game over, Hudson will not be able to get a grip..the trouble with a firewall in Red States is that you allowed the Feds to tunnel everywhere, but it is a start...

Posted by: Clemenza at February 05, 2013 10:52 AM (x59Gv)

49
ELVENTY! Productive liberals can be retrained. It takes massive beating and re-education camps. But I have yet to meet an self-described "smart" liberal. Who had a job that thought welfare reform was a bad idea. Many of them are outright racist about it, but each and every one was angry about the FSA.

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I think the only blue enclaves in Texas are Austin and the border regions that are around 90% Hispanic.

Most libs moving to Texas from another part of the country are going to Austin AFAIK.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 05, 2013 10:53 AM (e0xKF)

50 But they keep voting for pols that support the FSA, because they just
don't get it. They have been brainwashed to thinking that supporting
conservative ideals makes you a nazi, or whatever. And for them it is
all about appearances i guess.


That's a bingo! Is that right?

Productive libs see the prosperity from red states and incorrectly attribute them to lib policies, thinking if they supported more of it, then the state would become more prosperous. They need to stay the fuck away!!!

Posted by: EC at February 05, 2013 10:54 AM (GQ8sn)

51 Follow me, bitches.

Posted by: TEXAS at February 05, 2013 10:54 AM (R18D0)

52 According to my wife, Michigan doesn't teach "Michigan History" at all. Is Texas the only state that devotes a year to our own State history?

I mean, I know we're cooler than everyone else, but that seems strange to me.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 05, 2013 10:55 AM (8y9MW)

53 51 Follow me, bitches.

Posted by: TEXAS at February 05, 2013 10:54 AM (R18D0)

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Come with me if you want to live!

Posted by: Gov. Rick Perry at February 05, 2013 10:55 AM (e0xKF)

54 27 I want something even more radical, let Texas or some other red state go full 10th Amendment and refuse both Federal largess and Federal mandates. Secede in place, as it were.
Posted by: toby928© presents another finely crafted comment at February 05, 2013 10:47 AM (evdj2)


Agree.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at February 05, 2013 10:55 AM (IktfX)

55 Kasich is a pollock his wife forced him into towel throwing she wears the pants in the house,,,

Posted by: Clemenza at February 05, 2013 10:55 AM (x59Gv)

56 All well and good, but you have to remember the demographics of our national politics. People who vote Democrat -- either directly or indirectly, by not voting -- don't care about economics or finance. Makes no real difference to them.

Then you have to factor in the effects of the national partisan liberal Democrat media.

If Jindal for example became the GOP nominee in '16 do you actually believe the media would allow the public at large to know the positive impacts of his policies? Good luck and good night.

It will take a herculean effort for a Republican again to win the presidency. Economics or otherwise. And if conservatives, erstwhile conservatives, and faux conservative poseurs, continue not voting in such large numbers, then it'll take a miracle.

Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at February 05, 2013 10:55 AM (r2PLg)

57 52 According to my wife, Michigan doesn't teach "Michigan History" at all. Is Texas the only state that devotes a year to our own State history?

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Louisiana did at one point, but my class missed it because they shuffled the curriculum around.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 05, 2013 10:56 AM (e0xKF)

58 Hey, crazy notion, remember Wisconsin, Duke and Duke apparently didn't because they forced Tommy Thompson on them, who is way past his 'sell by' date

Posted by: archie goodwin at February 05, 2013 10:56 AM (Jsiw/)

59 This is me pointedly not gloating about Governor Perry's State of the State address.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 05, 2013 10:52 AM (8y9MW)



Your humility. I sees it. Cookie?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 05, 2013 10:57 AM (VtjlW)

60 let Texas or some other red state go full 10th Amendment and refuse both Federal largess and Federal mandates.

We're starting to.

We refused some Federal Education funds the last couple of years, we're refusing the Medicaid funds and other Federal Funds linked to ObamaCare.

It'll take a while to ween us off them completely, but that looks to be the direction Gov Perry wants to go.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 05, 2013 10:57 AM (8y9MW)

61 reposted from previous thread


The economic secession driver is either :
(A) things are so good that we want the FedGov OUT (ala 1850's)
(B) things are so bad that we want the FedGov OUT


Either way , the blue state dole to the red must either dry up or be preempted by red state economic success.

And conservative principles have to be functioning and successful in the red states in clear opposition to the statists.



Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at February 05, 2013 09:59 AM (EZl54)

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at February 05, 2013 10:57 AM (EZl54)

62 52
We had to take Louisiana History. But oddly I do not remember if an entire year was devoted to it. :S

Posted by: gigg at February 05, 2013 10:57 AM (41VCE)

63 Cookie?

Yes please.

What kind?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 05, 2013 10:57 AM (8y9MW)

64
If Jindal for example became the GOP nominee in '16 do you actually believe the media would allow the public at large to know the positive impacts of his policies? Good luck and good night.

Which gives BJ even more reason to tout LA's economic success. Rinse and repeat as necessary.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 05, 2013 10:58 AM (+z4pE)

65 Yes please.

What kind?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 05, 2013 10:57 AM (8y9MW)



Chocolate chip. *waves paw imperially* Bannion, those cookies you were gracious enough to offer to send me yesterday, send those to Texas s'il vous plait.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 05, 2013 10:59 AM (VtjlW)

66 Hey there AlextheChick, is today any better? Or do you need more chocolate and emus?

Should check out previous thread, porn star going into orbit.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 05, 2013 10:59 AM (vN8uH)

67
...because this approach paid off so well for Governor Perry in the 2012 race.

Posted by: SpasticToad at February 05, 2013 10:59 AM (Zewfw)

68 Also LiB -

The founding fathers were products of a "burning" environment , willing to risk it all for a shot at freedom.

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at February 05, 2013 10:59 AM (EZl54)

69 ...because this approach paid off so well for Governor Perry in the 2012 race.

See my comment earlier. They shouldn't do it because it will help them politically- because it likely won't. They should do it because it's right.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 05, 2013 11:00 AM (8y9MW)

70 It takes massive beating and re-education camps

Let a successful, prosperous red state be the indoctrination camp. Make it very clear, in third grade reading level terms if you must, that this is what succeeds and destroy any attempt to blue or re-blue the state.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at February 05, 2013 11:00 AM (IktfX)

71 Or do you need more chocolate and emus?

What about a "chocolate emu"?

Posted by: EC at February 05, 2013 11:00 AM (GQ8sn)

72 Chocolate chip. *waves paw imperially* Bannion, those cookies you were gracious enough to offer to send me yesterday, send those to Texas s'il vous plait.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 05, 2013 10:59 AM (VtjlW)



*gently coughing*

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at February 05, 2013 11:01 AM (GEICT)

73 EC, that is a Chocobo....

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 05, 2013 11:01 AM (vN8uH)

74 If Jindal for example became the GOP nominee in '16 do you actually believe the media would allow the public at large to know the positive impacts of his policies? Good luck and good night.

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He'll have to have some good luck just to implement them.

The tax changes are a clusterfuck on their own because of the logistics involved, but his voucher program is currently under attack by the teacher's unions here.

They challenged the constitutionality of that law change and have committed an attack on a different front by splitting the "select" and "non-select" high schools in football, in part to punish any school which is private, charter, or accepts vouchers.

That one got ugly and is about to get even uglier, likely ending with most of the private, charter, and voucher schools in Lake Charles, Baton Rouge, and New Orleans telling the Louisiana HS Athletic Association "Screw you, we're building our own athletics association. Oh, and by the way, we're relaxing our recruiting rules on students who come in from outside our membership."

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 05, 2013 11:01 AM (e0xKF)

75 I am so proud of my home state for electing Jindal. Jindal, Perry, Cruz are reasons to have hope. Not for the men themselves, so much as the people that were brave enough to choose them over free shit. There are many bright lights out there. We just need to root them out, and stoke the fires.

Posted by: gigg at February 05, 2013 11:01 AM (41VCE)

76 @69
AllenG
wouldn't that be something? Doing something out of integrity rather than political expedience ?It could spell the end of the professional politician industry.

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at February 05, 2013 11:02 AM (EZl54)

77 EC, that is a Chocobo....

Oh yeah.

Posted by: EC at February 05, 2013 11:04 AM (GQ8sn)

78 "In our view neither conventional red nor blue thinking has all the answers we need."



This is one example of many from WRM that turns me off to him. He weasels a decent amount of some of this stuff into his writing.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 05, 2013 11:04 AM (4c71i)

79 73 EC, that is a Chocobo....

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Texas = Gold Chocobo

California, New York, and Illinois = The three in the last panel of the cartoon linked in my name

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 05, 2013 11:04 AM (e0xKF)

80 If anybody had listened to results, the debate would have been over in 1986.

Posted by: Farmer Joe at February 05, 2013 11:05 AM (Od5/V)

81 70-
See Jindal in post 74

Education reform is a start and fucking critical. Children are indoctrinated into this group-think at public school. Nine years of immersion in pure communist indoctrination and destruction of the individual will do wonders for liberaling up a generation.

Posted by: gigg at February 05, 2013 11:06 AM (41VCE)

82 We're starting to.

Which is excellent. The thing is, the Emperor really doesn't have any clothes. The Feds have been bribing the states for decades because the central government really doesn't have the power to enforce it's will in most things, only the power to quit sending us our own money back.

Posted by: toby928© presents another finely crafted comment at February 05, 2013 11:06 AM (evdj2)

83
AllenG

wouldn't that be something? Doing something out of integrity rather than political expedience ?It could spell the end of the professional politician industry.


In my fevered dreams, prosperity becomes politically attractive. I don't think it would take long for people to appreciate having money in their pocket again.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 05, 2013 11:06 AM (+z4pE)

84 "Health care", coal, petroleum, nuclear, the economy...

Obama sure controls a lot of stuff.


Skeeter's EPA does.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 05, 2013 11:06 AM (GFM2b)

85 This is one example of many from WRM that turns me off to him. He
weasels a decent amount of some of this stuff into his writing.


Yeah, he always seems to find it necessary to remind everyone how wonderfully open-minded he is.

Posted by: Waterhouse at February 05, 2013 11:09 AM (xGlYu)

86 The big Hispanic influx occurred when NC offered drivers licenses to illegal aliens - most of whom, alas, didn't purchase auto liability insurance.

Posted by: mrp at February 05, 2013 11:09 AM (HjPtV)

87 While a great idea Barry has shown a deep desire to use EPA to force one size fits all thinking on energy and the endangered species and clean water acts to stifle progress. Couple this with his NLRB overreach and he can and will spoil what he can. The Red States need to form open regional alliances and cooperate to separate their economies from the Blue as much as possible.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 05, 2013 11:10 AM (LRFds)

88 I'm all for it.

Fuck the FSA.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at February 05, 2013 11:10 AM (wtvvX)

89 82 Toby 928th,

The states have a trump card to throw in that realm by ending automatic withholding being the default in their borders.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 05, 2013 11:11 AM (LRFds)

90 You know, if a "Dedicated Tenther" had a blog, he'd probably post some thoughts on this.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 05, 2013 11:11 AM (8y9MW)

91 As with Gov. Scott, in Florida, Obama will point to the lower UE rate and claim I did that.

They are skilled in taking credit for anything while pushing off blame to someone else.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 05, 2013 11:13 AM (piMMO)

92 Stepped on.

New thread up.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 05, 2013 11:13 AM (piMMO)

93
Yeah, he always seems to find it necessary to remind everyone how wonderfully open-minded he is.

Those last two paragraphs in the link show a decided ignorance of recent history and a refusal to acknowledge the damage that "blue "thinking"" has wreaked on the economy.

And I really like that "secession in place" thingy. That's a good idea, just rejecting the Feds and becoming as self-sufficient as possible. A few states banding together to greatly reduce the Fed's interference and get their economies going again will prove to the LIV's that Washington isn't the answer.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 05, 2013 11:16 AM (+z4pE)

94 They should have pushed the successes of Walker and the guy from Puerto Rico and the other GOP governors at the convention and then on the campaign trail. Instead they put them on stage on some off day.

"Our Ideas Work" would have been pretty powerful. Racist, sure, but powerful.

Posted by: PJ at February 05, 2013 11:18 AM (ZWaLo)

95 @93

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Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at February 05, 2013 11:19 AM (EZl54)

96 Agree with an earlier commenter about Virginia--it's lost to the government treacle class. I'm renting out a house in Tidewater, but am looking to sell at the end of the lease, even at a loss (of course at a loss, I bought the damn thing in 2005). That smarmy slick piece of shit Mark Warner's going to be the nominee in 2016, so that'll solidify the 'rats' hold on the commonwealth.



Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at February 05, 2013 11:24 AM (Ec6wH)

97 And for them it is all about appearances i guess. Fucking libtards, too crippled by perception to be or attain anything of note.
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They're so insecure, they just want the Kewl Kidz to like them.

Posted by: kallisto at February 05, 2013 11:27 AM (jm/9g)

98 I'd like to see the red states pass an income tax... on FSA benefits.

Posted by: No Feet Johnson at February 05, 2013 11:37 AM (KHo8t)

99 Okay, what's FSA?

Posted by: PJ at February 05, 2013 11:59 AM (ZWaLo)

100 In Florida, Gov. Rick Scott is doing a fine job - the state is operating with a surplus, he's made a significant outreach to bring business in to Florida and he's proposed and implemented practical changes to Florida's education system - not surprisingly, the press reviles him. There is hardly a day that goes by that the local liberal rag in Tampa publishes an article criticizing something random that has little to do with his job as governor but makes Scott seem like a 'mean person'- similar to what the press did to Romney- I'd love to see Scott get another term but I have little doubt that the constant negative press he gets, despite his many practical accomplishments taht have been good for Florida, Scott will not be re-elected, if he runs.

Posted by: Matt at February 05, 2013 12:20 PM (c4UpU)

101 Free Shit Army, Obama's base.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at February 05, 2013 12:41 PM (YmPwQ)

102 Listening to results? Sure. Which is why the MFM is running stories about the successes in Indiana and Texas and Wisconsin - not.

Back in my misspent youth, we had a saying: "Reality is a crutch for those who can't face drugs." Well, nowadays, reality is a crutch for those who can't face the MFM. Because, like it or not, the MFM *is* reality, as it is perceived by the majority in this country. As long as it remains a claque for the Obamacrats, no amount of economic success on the state level will make a damned bit of difference in national elections.

Posted by: Brown Line at February 05, 2013 01:41 PM (VrNoa)

103 Oh, Free Shit Army, thanks! I call them "his rabble."

Posted by: PJ at February 05, 2013 01:55 PM (ZWaLo)






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