Ron Paul Tweets Lovely Tribute to Chris Kyle: "He Who Lives by the Sword Dies by the Sword"

What a viciously deranged little crazy man.

"Chris Kyle's death seems to confirm that 'he who lives by the sword dies by the sword.' Treating PTSD at a firing range doesn't make sense," said Ron, via Twitter, in reference to the murdered SEAL sniper.

That tweet is still here. I guess that, unlike his selfish career saving vote in favor of the Authorization for War against the Taliban, he won't be taking this one back. He doesn't have to pretend as much anymore.


I suppose this would be that bizarre form of backwards "LOV3" this deranged mutant-evolution rightwing ultrahippie promised us.

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Posted by: Ace at 03:51 PM



Comments

1 JOOOOOS!!!!

Posted by: © Sponge at February 04, 2013 03:52 PM (xmcEQ)

2 Wow, some mental problems there for sure

Posted by: Hank Johnson at February 04, 2013 03:52 PM (F6KtL)

3 I'm really kind of embarrassed that shitstain comes from Texas.

Posted by: © Sponge at February 04, 2013 03:53 PM (xmcEQ)

4 This is why I'm skeptical of his son. The crazy on the father is so, so deep.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at February 04, 2013 03:53 PM (zgHLA)

5 Now if rand decides to run in 2016 this will be brought up by the leftist prog's as a reason not to elect rand.

Posted by: Saar at February 04, 2013 03:53 PM (ryT1J)

6 also, Senator McCain obviously was trying to slander Ahmadinnerjad as a sand monkey, and by extension all Iranians. just ask trueconservative Justin "butthurt at Boehner" Amash

Posted by: JDP at February 04, 2013 03:53 PM (60GaT)

7 Oy vey.

Posted by: Farmer Joe at February 04, 2013 03:53 PM (CyP2Z)

8 I was in the middle of reading Kyle's book when I learned of his death. I am broken hearted for his family and friends.

Ron Paul is a nasty, evil excuse for a human being.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 04, 2013 03:54 PM (UOM48)

9 That hateful little midget can go fuck himself...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at February 04, 2013 03:54 PM (9+ccr)

10 What a douchebag.

Posted by: EC at February 04, 2013 03:54 PM (GQ8sn)

11 also, Senator McCain obviously was trying to slander Ahmadinnerjad as a sand monkey, and by extension all Iranians. just ask trueconservative Justin "butthurt at Boehner" Amash

****

Amash jumped the shark today.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 03:54 PM (piMMO)

12 Can we get Ron Paul on? He'd make a great spokeman for the Republican party on guns...

Posted by: Piers Morgan at February 04, 2013 03:54 PM (F6KtL)

13 He who lives by the pussy, dies by the pussy.

Posted by: Marcus at February 04, 2013 03:54 PM (GGCsk)

14 I say Feh! on the old fool, with a limpwristed flip of dismissal.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 04, 2013 03:55 PM (evdj2)

15 Cue brain-dead trolls insisting we should shut up...

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 04, 2013 03:55 PM (NTBjC)

16 "Chris Kyle's death seems to confirm that 'he who lives by the sword
dies by the sword.' Treating PTSD at a firing range doesn't make sense,"
said Ron, via Twitter, in reference to the murdered SEAL sniper.



If that were the case, we wouldn't have had to suffer that bullshit oral fellation of Ray Lewis last night. He wouldn't have been alive to attend.

Oh, and we wouldn't need Jim Nantz's revisionist history reminding us that Ray was acquitted of all charges.........

Posted by: © Sponge at February 04, 2013 03:55 PM (xmcEQ)

17 one thing that bugged me about Rand Paul recently was his acceptance of the "we funded bin Laden" falsehood (repeated it on FOX News) cuz it supports his blowback theory of our policy in the M.E.

i don't mind pointing out that some of our actions may not have been wise but i prefer people to get their history right

Posted by: JDP at February 04, 2013 03:55 PM (60GaT)

18 Now if rand decides to run in 2016 this will be brought up by the leftist prog's as a reason not to elect rand.

***

Fuck the left.

It's the right we have to worry about.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 03:55 PM (piMMO)

19 5
Now if rand decides to run in 2016 this will be brought up by the leftist prog's as a reason not to elect rand.




Trust me, the left share Luap Nor's view about this. Their comments over Kyle's death will rocket your blood pressure up.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 04, 2013 03:55 PM (UOM48)

20 This'll teach me to not put my phone down during the critical news hours of 2pm to 4pm eastern!

Posted by: Truman North at February 04, 2013 03:56 PM (cuk3A)

21 Hey, Ron.

FUCK YOU.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at February 04, 2013 03:56 PM (wtvvX)

22 I never really thought of Ron Paul as malicious. Now I do. And he's apparently an a**hole of epic proportion, too.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 04, 2013 03:56 PM (eHIJJ)

23
Is he jealous of his son's increasing popularity and this is a form of sabotage?

Posted by: waldo at February 04, 2013 03:56 PM (jwumz)

24 Yes, but making a run at POTUS when your a kooky, half-witted, cult figure with people who sniff their mom's underwear is smart.

Posted by: Marcus at February 04, 2013 03:56 PM (GGCsk)

25 embrace the fucktardation-RAWN PALL

Posted by: sven10077 at February 04, 2013 03:57 PM (LRFds)

Posted by: Tex Lovera at February 04, 2013 03:57 PM (wtvvX)

27 I wonder how many silver dimes he can fit in his nose?

Posted by: Joe Biden at February 04, 2013 03:57 PM (9rn+3)

28 Soon, Dr. Ron.

Soon.

Posted by: The Jewish Conspiracy at February 04, 2013 03:57 PM (RuUvx)

29

He's such a creature.

Posted by: all I got at February 04, 2013 03:57 PM (LpQbZ)

30 He has yet to find his " Special Purpose "

Posted by: American Dawg at February 04, 2013 03:57 PM (trA4n)

31
And yet 90% of the Capital L Libertarian myopic basement-dwelling adolescents who populate the Gunnysphere will still worship this destructive little tick.

Fuck him. He is NOT what he and his supporters claim him to be.

God bless Chris Kyle and protect his wife and children. God save ALL of us.

Posted by: Jaws at February 04, 2013 03:57 PM (4I3Uo)

32 "Evol"? Hrmmmmmm....

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at February 04, 2013 03:57 PM (NmR1a)

33 @ronpaul you are not worthy enough to wipe dog shit from Chris' shoe. Fucktard.

Posted by: Marcus at February 04, 2013 03:58 PM (GGCsk)

34 Beat your swords into silver dimes!

Posted by: t-bird at February 04, 2013 03:58 PM (FcR7P)

35



Little penis: big talk.

Posted by: just sayin' at February 04, 2013 03:58 PM (LpQbZ)

36 Marcus Luttrell was a very close friend of Chris Kyle's. I can't even imagine what he'd think of that tweet.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 04, 2013 03:58 PM (UOM48)

37 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 04, 2013 03:58 PM (5DR1j)

38 And if we needed further proof that Luap Nor is actually an America Hating jerk, we just got it.

Awesome.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 04, 2013 03:59 PM (5DR1j)

39 >Now if rand decides to run in 2016 this will be brought up by the leftist prog's as a reason not to elect rand.<

You obviously have not seen some of the liberals posting on this subject.

Posted by: Marcus at February 04, 2013 03:59 PM (GGCsk)

40 BTW, RonPaul.com has a section for his 2016 run.

If that fucker runs, knowing his son has such a bright future, he will become unmatched in my hatred for assholes.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 03:59 PM (piMMO)

41 18
***

Fuck the left.

It's the right we have to worry about.

-----

True, need to fix its bullshit.

Posted by: Saar at February 04, 2013 03:59 PM (ryT1J)

42 "this deranged rightwing ultrahippie"

lol this is a pretty apt description

Posted by: JDP at February 04, 2013 03:59 PM (60GaT)

43 Oh, and we wouldn't need Jim Nantz's revisionist history reminding us that Ray was acquitted of all charges......…

Nantz was wrong -
Lewis pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice after the incident.
And he spread plenty of cash around to keep people from talking.

Ron Paul must be suffering from dementia - what a terrible thing to say about an American Hero.
Rand Paul needs to take his dads phones and computers away.

Posted by: redguy at February 04, 2013 04:00 PM (oKH8p)

44 I guess he's just given us some insight as to what he thinks of our military.

About the same as TFG.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 04, 2013 04:00 PM (UOM48)

45 It does not take any moral courage to speak ill of the dead.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at February 04, 2013 04:00 PM (kXoT0)

46 All the responses I've read are universally bashing him so, well played love machine.

Well played.

Posted by: eleven at February 04, 2013 04:00 PM (KXm42)

47 -
Great Moments in Future History:

Ron Paul Killed in Blimp Accident

An untethered blimp claimed the life of Dr. Ron Paul as he walked across the parking lot heading into his office/bunker.

_

Posted by: BumperStickerist at February 04, 2013 04:00 PM (RuUvx)

48 I think it is pretty safe to say Ron doesn't give a shit about his sons political career.

Posted by: Ben at February 04, 2013 04:01 PM (C2Y4l)

49 What I really want to know, out of this horrible Chris Kyle tradgedy, is...will it affect my stash of silver dimes?!

Posted by: Nor Luap at February 04, 2013 04:01 PM (X/+QT)

50 36 Marcus Luttrell was a very close friend of Chris Kyle's. I can't even imagine what he'd think of that tweet.

- I have met Marcus - he is probably heading over to kick Ron Paul's ass right now.

Posted by: redguy at February 04, 2013 04:01 PM (oKH8p)

51 I might have commented a few days ago that it was only a matter of time, but I really thought it would come from the Code Pink whackos.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 04:01 PM (piMMO)

52 Ron Paul: Taking up space where they could have put a decent person.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 04, 2013 04:01 PM (XUKZU)

53 Nantz was wrong -

Lewis pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice after the incident.

And he spread plenty of cash around to keep people from talking.



Why I called it revisionist history.

Lewis agreed to testify against his "posse" then pleaded the fifth. No one was arrested or convicted in the crime.

Posted by: © Sponge at February 04, 2013 04:02 PM (xmcEQ)

54 Paul is a freaking shart. I honestly don't understand how anyone follows that guy.

He's the Jim Jones of politics. I am just waiting for the new Jonestown.

Posted by: Marcus at February 04, 2013 04:02 PM (GGCsk)

55 Now if rand decides to run in 2016 this will be brought up by the leftist prog's as a reason not to elect rand.

Cuckoo Genes vs. Head Trauma in 2016?

Posted by: t-bird at February 04, 2013 04:02 PM (FcR7P)

56 Yeah,read about this earlier and was not surprised.My guess is the left will become interested in what a weirdo Ron is when Rand decides to run for higher office."Does he share his fathers crazy beliefs?"(like they did to Mel Gibson,albeit it turned out Mel IS pretty weird)

Posted by: steevy at February 04, 2013 04:03 PM (9XBK2)

57 Live by the Gold Standard and perhaps one will drop on your head.

Posted by: Marcus at February 04, 2013 04:03 PM (GGCsk)

58
Ron Paul always gave off a Jim Jones, Peoples' Temple vibe to me.

Never, ever trusted any messianic messengers types. And especially those who want power, be it political, financial, or spiritual.

Posted by: rd at February 04, 2013 04:03 PM (zLp5I)

59 "American Sniper" is an amazing book. I bought it to send to our son, flipped through it, and decided to read it first. Now I don't have the heart to finish it.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 04, 2013 04:03 PM (UOM48)

60 53 I think they were tried and aquitted.

Posted by: steevy at February 04, 2013 04:03 PM (9XBK2)

61 Rand's defense of Israel separates him from his father.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 04:03 PM (piMMO)

62 He does have a point about taking a crazy person to a gun range. I have a friend who has so little common sense that he pointed the gun at me the first time I handed him a firearm. I've never taken him to the range for that reason.

I'd really like to know about the nut who killed kyle. Who the fuck is this jackass?

Posted by: Red at February 04, 2013 04:03 PM (7us0J)

63 If you follow Uncle Ron's logic, does this mean Ron will die at the hands of a bunch of lunatic neocon Joos?

Posted by: Fritz at February 04, 2013 04:04 PM (UzPAd)

64 Like associating with Nazis wasn't enough of a deal breaker?

Class act.

Posted by: Steve Skubinna at February 04, 2013 04:04 PM (XLQXo)

65 Fair to say that a "Dreams of My Father" book written by Rand Paul would not become a best seller.

Posted by: SH at February 04, 2013 04:05 PM (gmeXX)

66 The killing of Chris Kyle is the third killing of leaders in the 2nd Amendment movement. 3 times is enemy action.

Posted by: navybrat at February 04, 2013 04:05 PM (7i18a)

67 You know who else is a conservative with a bat shit crazy dad? Teddy Turner. He's running for Congress in SC. Citadel grad, teaches high school economics. Drives a Ford F-250.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 04, 2013 04:05 PM (UOM48)

68
"And if we needed further proof that Luap Nor is actually an America Hating jerk, we just got it."

Paul's willingly blind cult followers will never, never, never get it. Ever. They hear him hit the right notes on a couple Randian themes and all the other egregious shit just disappears.

Posted by: Jaws at February 04, 2013 04:05 PM (4I3Uo)

69 He's such a piece of shit when it comes to anything but the Federal Reserve.

Posted by: DangerGirl at February 04, 2013 04:05 PM (GrtrJ)

70 Luap Nor is a senile raisin of a man. He can fuck off.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 04, 2013 04:06 PM (4df7R)

71 I'd really like to know about the nut who killed kyle. Who the fuck is this jackass?

A former Marine who Chris and the other victim were trying to help through his PTSD. On the upside, he'll probably get the real help he needs now. I just wish he could have opt for that (without the various negative consequences including loosing his right to defend himself) without first having killed two good men.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 04, 2013 04:06 PM (5DR1j)

72 Well, RonPaul is at least consistent in his creepy nastiness. Gotta give him that.

Posted by: joncelli at February 04, 2013 04:06 PM (RD7QR)

73 just ask trueconservative Justin "butthurt at Boehner" Amash

That would be my congressperson

Posted by: Red Shirt at February 04, 2013 04:07 PM (FIDMq)

74 Ron Paul is a cunt.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at February 04, 2013 04:08 PM (UzocF)

75 62
He does have a point about taking a crazy person to a gun range. I have
a friend who has so little common sense that he pointed the gun at me
the first time I handed him a firearm. I've never taken him to the
range for that reason.



I'd really like to know about the nut who killed kyle. Who the fuck is this jackass?




A former Marine suffering from PTSD. His mother reached out to Chris' organization for help for her son.


I've read some opinions of people familiar with PTSD, who say that firing weapons, or even just being at a range with the noise, can help.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 04, 2013 04:08 PM (UOM48)

76 I'd really like to know about the nut who killed kyle. Who the fuck is this jackass?

****

It was reported on FNC today that his girlfriend had called the police on him 3 weeks ago. They also said that he's giving them hell in jail and has been tazed since being arrested.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 04:08 PM (piMMO)

77
At the very least...it is a dismissive thing to say about a hero like Chris Kyle.

It's also malicious and vicious.

Italso reveals a hostility towards our military, that he has denied before.

Luap Nor has always tried to come across as someone who "Likes our military"...and because of this, he wants to bring them home.

This tweeted statement reveals that he thinks they 'Live by the sword', and therefore deserve to die.

Fuck him, sideways.

Posted by: wheatie at February 04, 2013 04:09 PM (BZMZX)

78 Fuck Ron Paul.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at February 04, 2013 04:09 PM (++kZl)

79 That would be my congressperson

***

Lucky you, and him.

This Paul thing distracted from his bullshit today. Still, it doesn't need to be forgotten.

Accusing someone of racism is serious shit.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 04:09 PM (piMMO)

80 68 Jaws,

Pot man.....pot

Posted by: sven10077 at February 04, 2013 04:09 PM (LRFds)

81 Trust me, the left share Luap Nor's view about this. Their comments over Kyle's death will rocket your blood pressure up.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 04, 2013 03:55 PM (UOM4


Honestly that wouldn't matter. The left excels at being able to believe one thing, but pretend that it's something else. They're bang alongside Luap Nor on this, but they'd parseltongue it so that it sounds like they LOVE the troops, and it's only the evil Rethuglikkkans who hate the troops and want them to die die die.

Reality does not exist in their reality. Meta is the new meta.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 04, 2013 04:09 PM (4df7R)

82 Luap Nor. We are talking about the nonsensical ravings of the lunatic mind!

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 04, 2013 04:10 PM (BAS5M)

83 So no shit huh? Ron Paul actually IS a drooling douchebag with a generous sprinkling of retard.

Posted by: Berserker at February 04, 2013 04:10 PM (FMbng)

84 If you follow Uncle Ron's logic, does this mean Ron will die at the hands of a corporate lobbyist banging his squeak hole like the drummer in a marching band? FIFY

Posted by: CSMBigBird at February 04, 2013 04:10 PM (dgqjL)

85
Luap Nor has always tried to come across as someone who "Likes our
military"...and because of this, he wants to bring them home.



This tweeted statement reveals that he thinks they 'Live by the sword', and therefore deserve to die.




This^^


So, if my son gets shot by a gangbanger here at home, he deserved it because he fought in A-stan?


Bastard.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 04, 2013 04:10 PM (UOM48)

86 90% of all the vehicles I see here with a luap nor sticker are old, beat to death junk heaps held together with duct tape. If they were the intellectual heavyweights they think they are, I'm sure they would be driving better cars.
Cognitive dissonance on display.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 04, 2013 04:11 PM (uhftQ)

87 Chris Kyle's death seems to confirm that 'he who lives by the sword dies by the sword.'

Tune in for Ron Paul's touching tribute to the children in Newtown, Connecticut...

Posted by: t-bird at February 04, 2013 04:11 PM (FcR7P)

88 I haven't read his book, but would like to. I enjoyed Luttrell's book. Some site yesterday put together a list of the 10 best quotes from Kyle's book, and I truly enjoyed the one that was (paraphrasing) "War is hell and all, but no reason it can't be a little fun too."

Posted by: SH at February 04, 2013 04:12 PM (gmeXX)

89 This is why I'm skeptical of his son. The crazy on the father is so, so deep.

Same. Rand could've declined to endorse anyone in the primaries, but instead he endorsed his loony father's vanity run.

Whatever good he does in the Senate, he'll have a tough time convincing me that he's not a Manchurian Candidate for the Bircher wing.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 04, 2013 04:12 PM (SY2Kh)

90 After saying this, I consider Luap Nor as much an enemy of this nation has Dear Leader and his minions.

I'm tired of giving the benefit of the doubt to assholes like him.

Posted by: Soona at February 04, 2013 04:13 PM (z2jDQ)

91 Obama May Tap Former Romney Aide to Head EPA

... Severely conservative.

Severely.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 04, 2013 04:13 PM (NTBjC)

92 RP needs to backwards love himself some baboon ass.

Posted by: Roy at February 04, 2013 04:13 PM (VndSC)

93 Has Ron Paul looked into joining the Westboro Baptist Church? Birds of a feather.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 04, 2013 04:13 PM (XUKZU)

94 Attention Rand Paul:

If you have any intention of running in 2016, lock the crazy old man in the basement soonest.

Mew

Posted by: acat at February 04, 2013 04:13 PM (4UkCP)

95 I'd love to hear Rand respond to his loony dad's tweet.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 04, 2013 04:14 PM (UOM48)

96 Hmmm... I may have to post more fully on this (on that blog I don't have) from home this evening.

We don't remove people's rights because they have cancer or stroke, but we'll take away the rights of people who defended us (specifically- being able to own a gun) because they voluntarily seek help for PTSD (didn't it once have another acronym?).

However, one of the symptoms of PTSD can be "hyper-vigilance" (sp?) bordering on paranoia. How likely is it that someone (who has probably literally stared death in the face) will voluntarily give up their rights of self-defense? I'm going to go on the record as saying "Slim-to-none."

So we've created a system whereby those who most need the help are the ones most likely to eschew it. Instead, they get help (for what its worth) from other former soldiers/marines/etc., who don't really know what they're doing or why- just that it helps sometimes.

And now we have a dead American Hero.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 04, 2013 04:14 PM (5DR1j)

97 OT(belongs in last thread but everyone is here) funnty cartoon.

http://legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Photo-Op-590-LI.jpg

Posted by: steevy at February 04, 2013 04:14 PM (9XBK2)

98 Paul needs to expound on his comment. Did Kyle "live by the gun" by being at a range, for owning weapons, or for serving in the military? ...or in Paul's opinion, do the people in any of these groups deserve to "die by the gun"?

Posted by: Icedog at February 04, 2013 04:14 PM (9ScGj)

99 Ron Paul "clarifies" in 3...2...1...

Posted by: CraigPoe at February 04, 2013 04:14 PM (BVkEs)

100 Same. Rand could've declined to endorse anyone in the primaries, but instead he endorsed his loony father's vanity run.

****

You want someone who's so freaking cold-hearted that he would deny his father the endorsement?

I suspect Rand will tell the old man to sit down and shut up in 2016.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 04:14 PM (piMMO)

101 Whatever good he does in the Senate, he'll have a tough time convincing me that he's not a Manchurian Candidate for the Bircher wing.

--

That's fair. I find Rand Paul to be a breath of fresh air, but sometimes it is hard to escape your family's past.

Posted by: SH at February 04, 2013 04:14 PM (gmeXX)

102 Ron Paul is a total asshat.

Posted by: nraendowment at February 04, 2013 04:15 PM (Msv+6)

103 Paul needs to expound on his comment. Did Kyle "live by the gun" by being at a range, for owning weapons, or for serving in the military? ...or in Paul's opinion, do the people in any of these groups deserve to "die by the gun"?

***

No he doesn't.

He just needs to STFU.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 04:15 PM (piMMO)

104 If you'd like a glimpse into the psyches of the people on the other side of the Cold Civil War, go read the comment threads about Chris Kyle's death at the _San Francisco Chronicle_ site.

Take an antinausea med and a couple of big slugs of Val-U-Rite first. It's sickening stuff.

Not only sickening, but incredibly dopey.

Typical comment: "If only there had been some armed and trained people out on that there gun range, the way the NRA says schools should be, this would never have happened! Har har har."

Well, when there are only three people out on the range, as was the case, and no indication that one of them intends lethal violence, it's pretty damn easy for that one person to abruptly shoot dead the other two and get away.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 04, 2013 04:15 PM (gqT4g)

105 75 Jane D'oh,

It helped wife settle back in on the return from iraq.

Iraq was a tough hitch for her a lot more sporty than her 'ghani tour was mid war but the danger profile has flipped now with iraq being a state dept merc operation now. We ent to South Carolina to visit her dying dad and she went into hypervigilant mode because of some bikers backfiring like she had at her midtour leave.

After her dad died, but before we PCSd to Ft Jackson she took her revolvers and longguns out to the junk yard and shot bowling pins....

it's not a light switch but it helped I think.

The tragedy of the vets trying to get help is it is absolutely seen as a weakness and can impact their employability, couple that with DoD whispering about going after people diagnosed for PTSD through VA and it is a mess.

He died trying to help, but I do wish there were psychologists and psychiatrists willing to aid Vets without divulging their diagnosis.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 04, 2013 04:16 PM (LRFds)

106 "46 All the responses I've read are universally bashing him so, well played love machine.

Well played.

Posted by: eleven at February 04, 2013 04:00 PM (KXm42)"

Did somebody say "Love Machine?"

http://tinyurl.com/apzbakd

Posted by: holygoat at February 04, 2013 04:16 PM (XnwWl)

107 As NRO's Greg Pollowitz pointed out on Twitter: Paul's setup of "Treating PTSD at a firing range doesn't make sense" ... ummmm ... doesn't make sense.

It's called "Exposure Therapy": http://goo.gl/RHs92

Posted by: Andy at February 04, 2013 04:16 PM (C/NnJ)

108 When I first read about this the first thing that popped into my head(besides how sad and angering it was) was that some left winger would use the "Live by the sword" line.

Posted by: steevy at February 04, 2013 04:17 PM (9XBK2)

109 Ron Paul makes a lot of sense!

Posted by: Westboro Baptist Church at February 04, 2013 04:17 PM (A+/8k)

110 A living example of why saying nothing is the wisest course.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - there on Thunder Island! at February 04, 2013 04:17 PM (hLRSq)

111 Lucky you, and him.



This Paul thing distracted from his bullshit today. Still, it doesn't need to be forgotten.



Accusing someone of racism is serious shit.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 04:09 PM (piMMO)

Have not heard anything about it...got a link?

Posted by: Red Shirt at February 04, 2013 04:17 PM (FIDMq)

112 Posted by: The Jewish Conspiracy at February 04, 2013 03:57 PM (RuUvx)
___

oh my poor monitor (and keyboard)

Posted by: kallisto at February 04, 2013 04:17 PM (jm/9g)

113 Separate but related topic, have you seen the unemployment figures for those aged 18-25? Catastrophic. Keep in mind a substantial majority of Paul's supporters are kids still in school or recently graduated. So not only are they poorly educated, inexperienced, and part of a generation of systemically unemployed and underemployed, they've fallen under the spell of a cat who's batshit crazy bonkers. Those kids are gone. Seriously, there's no hope for them. They'll either be lifetime wards of their parents or wards of the state,whichof course will provide astunning irony: so-called"Libertarians" dependent upon handouts.

Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at February 04, 2013 04:18 PM (pmsMR)

114
"I've read some opinions of people familiar with PTSD, who say that firing weapons, or even just being at a range with the noise, can help."

It can and it does. The vast majority of these men are not crazy or even dangerous. They just need an eased transition of going from 24/7 living, eating, shitting, sleeping, and fighting with his constant companion (a weapon) into normal everyday American life. It makes sense to me.

But what do I know? I'm no degreed head shrinker and therefore completely unworthy of my opinion on this matter.

Posted by: Jaws at February 04, 2013 04:18 PM (4I3Uo)

115 sven, thank your wife for me.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 04, 2013 04:18 PM (UOM48)

116

Ron Paul must sense Chuck Hagel getting rejected for SoD.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 04, 2013 04:18 PM (XkWWK)

117 Slime. I'm so glad he's out of office. Perhaps Rand can affect change to pay for the sins of his father.

Posted by: MadisonConservative at February 04, 2013 04:18 PM (Y/HG5)

118 So the adult in the room, Amash, after calling out McCain for his "racist" joke, sends his own tweet this afternoon:

I remain committed to developing & marketing an F.A. Hayek-inspired cologne called "Spontaneous Odor."

So, it's funny when he targets someone with humor, but "racist" when McCain does it?

Isn't he calling the French smelly?

Prick.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 04:18 PM (piMMO)

119 shit...Austrians

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 04:18 PM (piMMO)

120 #77

You forgot the:

With a chainsaw.

Posted by: tfox at February 04, 2013 04:19 PM (DVC2D)

121 Who is this person who speaks to me as though I needed his advice?

Posted by: cajun carrot at February 04, 2013 04:20 PM (UZQM8)

122 Rand needs to come out by end of the day and say, "My dad is heading to Shady Groves Retirement Community this weekend where he will live out the remainder of his years watching Jeopardy re-runs and playing bingo."

Posted by: EC at February 04, 2013 04:20 PM (GQ8sn)

123 Just roll your eyes and ignore the little troll.

Posted by: Cato at February 04, 2013 04:20 PM (WKBJa)

124 Treating PTSD at a firing range is not uncommon. It can release steam and exposure back into the sounds and smell can help someone work through their anxiety.
Ron Paul can believe whatever he wants - but to put it out there in public is indefensible. There are grieving family members and friends.
Dr. Demento is a hypocrite and has no honor.

Posted by: Cheri at February 04, 2013 04:20 PM (G+Wff)

125 "Typical comment: "If only there had been some armed and trained people out on that there gun range, the way the NRA says schools should be, this would never have happened! Har har har."


Never let a crisis go to waste.


The left's contempt for humanity should cease to amaze me at some point.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 04, 2013 04:20 PM (4c71i)

126 You want someone who's so freaking cold-hearted that he would deny his father the endorsement?

Yes, unless he wants me thinking that Ron's batshit crazy is hereditary.

Politics is politics. Leave the family bonds for the dinner table. Plenty of Republicans declined to publicly endorse a candidate. He should've done the same.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 04, 2013 04:20 PM (SY2Kh)

127 I'd never even heard of this jackbag before 2008 when a full-blown leftist friend of mine started pushing him on me.

The only people I've ever heard praising him have been leftists.

Posted by: Kensington at February 04, 2013 04:21 PM (H84UO)

128 Saw an article om Fox a while back
Doctor: Injection can 'cure' PTSD in veterans

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 04, 2013 04:21 PM (uhftQ)

129 Our son was unable to sleep more than a couple of hours a night when he first came home, and admitted to jumping at loud noises. He borrowed my car to go to Bass Pro Shop, and came home and told me he dodged some trash on the side of the road, and swerved into the left lane.

After being home for a couple of weeks, he was sleeping through the night, and was his usual happy, funny self. And he did enjoy going to the gun range and firing his hunting rifle.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 04, 2013 04:21 PM (UOM48)

130 93 Has Ron Paul looked into joining the Westboro Baptist Church? Birds of a feather.

The way I see it...what Luap Nor has just said, is worse than what the Westboro kooks say.

They maintain that 'We have offended God' and therefore, are being punished by the deaths of our loved ones in these wars.
I think.

But RP is not only mis-applying that parable that he is quoting...he is being vicious in implying that Chris Kyle somehow deserved to die, because he had been a soldier.

Posted by: wheatie at February 04, 2013 04:21 PM (BZMZX)

131
Nothing this little imp surprises me along with the gloating of the extreme left wing facsists.
Would wonder what the last 2 mintues of the conversation were before themurders... "PTSD" is a convenietcop out.
Of note: When someone is diagnosed with a mental afflication.... keep them away from firearms. Thank "Captain Obvious" for that one.

Posted by: Bukeye Abroad at February 04, 2013 04:21 PM (f+TdG)

132 JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS!!!!1!!

And blacks.

Posted by: Ron Paul's Newsletter at February 04, 2013 04:21 PM (H84UO)

133 It's called "Exposure Therapy": http://goo.gl/RHs92

Posted by: Andy at February 04, 2013 04:16 PM (C/NnJ)
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Yes, exactly. And I speak from experience when I say it works very well for PTSD. Or at least it has for me.

Posted by: DangerGirl at February 04, 2013 04:21 PM (GrtrJ)

134 I've read the story and can only conclude that Chris Kyle was trying to do something nice for someone with 'issues' and he paid the ultimate price in return. Yeah, call me names, but I think people with mental issues and guns may not be a good combination. But I have no clue how to circumvent the problem without a massive infringement upon the rights of people without mental issues. Better judgement, maybe. Better education about contemporary psychological/pharmacological issues, maybe.

But Ron Paul is still a monumental jackass.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at February 04, 2013 04:22 PM (feFL6)

135 Dr. Demento is a hypocrite and has no honor.

There's nothing wrong with Dr. Demento.

LuapNor, OTOH, is Lena-Dunham-fuck nuts.

Posted by: HeatherRadish, pre-denounced for your convenience at February 04, 2013 04:22 PM (ZKzrr)

136
Ron paul's a dipship who appeals to two types of people: Stoners and those who don't think very deeply.
I know I've got friends of both stripes who supported this fucker.
The former...well stoner.
The latter tend to think it sounds good (return to Gold standard! Extreme Libertarianism!) but don't look deeper. And then they claim by voting for him they "are trying to make a difference." Then when it fails, they despair and claim "well I'd prefer anarchy anyway."
I remember when I first heard of Paul, I thought "This sounds like some good points." Then I looked at pretty much anything outside of the "less regulations and government interference" stuff (i.e. foreign policy, domestic policy, ANYTHING.) and realized there's a reason Paul is a repeat congressman who never made it farther.

Posted by: tsrblke at February 04, 2013 04:22 PM (GaqMa)

137 Luap Nor's voters are between me and the Gulf of Mexico, should the flag go up. Sheila Jackson Lee's voters would be reconning and then overrunning my neighborhood should the flag go up. I wonder if the East Texas piney woods would provide defensible cover?

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 04, 2013 04:22 PM (BAS5M)

138
BTW, RonPaul.com has a section for his 2016 run.



If that fucker runs, knowing his son has such a bright future, he will become unmatched in my hatred for assholes.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 03:59 PM (piMMO)


Didn't he already say that 2012 was his last Presidential run or was that nullified by not having sworn it on a pile of Jew gold?

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 04, 2013 04:22 PM (CqjOV)

139 Fuck the left. It's the right we have to worry about.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse

The left was posting with gleeregarding Kyle's death. NDH is right. It is the right and the fact that they can't get and keep their shit together that is a problem.

Posted by: Cheri at February 04, 2013 04:22 PM (G+Wff)

140 Where the heck is that Mendoza horse-man when you need him?

Posted by: Marcus at February 04, 2013 04:23 PM (GGCsk)

141 Have not heard anything about it...got a link?

***

Here's McCain's tweet:

So Ahmadinejad wants to be first Iranian in space - wasn't he just there last week? "Iran launches monkey into space"

To which Amash tweeted Whoa!

after McCain caught some heat, he tweeted:

Re: Iran space tweet - lighten up folks, can't everyone take a joke?

To which Amash responded with:

Maybe you should wisen up & not make racist jokes

Links to the feeds:

https://twitter.com/SenJohnMcCain

https://twitter.com/repjustinamash

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 04:23 PM (piMMO)

142 Pot.... Man pot
Posted by: sven10077 at February 04, 2013 04:09 PM (LRFds)

This. It's all the Ron Paul 'tards cared about.

Posted by: olddog at February 04, 2013 04:23 PM (RGmrd)

143 I wonder if the East Texas piney woods would provide defensible cover?

The West Texas Plains would provide clear lines of fire.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 04, 2013 04:23 PM (5DR1j)

144 I hope you choke on a cock.

Live as a cock, die by a cock.

Posted by: © Sponge at February 04, 2013 04:23 PM (xmcEQ)

145 115 Jane D'oh,

Jane she reads and prays and prayed for your son's safety.

My wife is no "combat arms" type and I don't draw direct equivalence PTSD is a monster and a mindset, she was in a rocket attack that pulped 5 contractors and blew up a tanker trailer.

A few other incidents but that is 'the one' it's why she has a Combat Action badge and all.

I don't know how what she saw impacted her, but it did and it took her about 2 years to finally get her head on straight and squared away with regards to sudden noise of certain types.

Your son's career path is if anything more straining, add in the idiotic RoE the fear of Green on blue violence....

I was a pretty cocky young grunt who never deployed and as i age I wonder if I could handle the stress we force our troops to endure.

Your son has my admiration and all our family's devotion from afar.

The left's lies about vietnam were part of why I was always a conservative, and they are renewing the same lies.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 04, 2013 04:23 PM (LRFds)

146 we can fight with a sword or die under Theirs.

Posted by: ette at February 04, 2013 04:24 PM (nqBYe)

147 Ron Paul is a fucking worm and every bit as nasty, hypocritical and repulsive as politicians on the left.

Posted by: Warden at February 04, 2013 04:24 PM (HzhBE)

148 Ron Paul is a racist and a loon.

Posted by: Jay at February 04, 2013 04:24 PM (WSgyE)

149 That's the first rational thing I've ever read from McCain.

Posted by: Marcus at February 04, 2013 04:24 PM (GGCsk)

150 Thanks, sven.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 04, 2013 04:25 PM (UOM48)

151 NDH - maybe we should leave twitter in the hands of the younger party members. The old Republican's don't seem to understand how to use it.

Posted by: SH at February 04, 2013 04:25 PM (gmeXX)

152 Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 04:23 PM (piMMO)



Amash sounds like a real cock gobbler but this is McRINO he's arguing with so to say I got no dog in this fight is putting it mildly.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 04, 2013 04:26 PM (CqjOV)

153 He who lives like a douche is a douche.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at February 04, 2013 04:26 PM (iAUf+)

154 Posted by: sven10077 at February 04, 2013 04:16 PM (LRFds)


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When I got back from Vietnam, the first crack of thunder from a thunderstorm would bring a reaction from me. Same thing with tires blowing out or vehicle backfires. But that still doesn't mean one has PTSD (battle fatigue). Battle fatigue is a total de-coupling from reality by the stresses of continuous, intense combat. Most vets do not suffer from this.

Battle fatigue can also excaberate a pre-condition of mental illness, as I'm suspecting in this case.

Posted by: Soona at February 04, 2013 04:26 PM (z2jDQ)

155 The problem with Libertarians is the problem with Akin and the problem with liberals. They think they have to have the silver bullet (I denounce myself) solution to every problem.

There can't be hard problems that have hard solutions. Life can't be about tradeoffs. Nope, if we'd just follow Dr. Paul's prescriptions about PTSD, then nobody would ever die. If we'd just follow him on the Middle East, then there would be no wars. If Israel would stop being provocative with all of its existing, then nobody would bother anybody ever again.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 04, 2013 04:26 PM (T0NGe)

156 Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 04:23 PM (piMMO)

What part of McCain's comment was racist?

Ahmadinnerjacket is a barking-at-the-moon, Jew-hating lunatic.

Is that a race?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 04, 2013 04:26 PM (GsoHv)

157 Well actually McCain used it ok. But I don't think he has the stamina to win a "twitter battle."

Posted by: SH at February 04, 2013 04:27 PM (gmeXX)

158 Oh, and you PAULIANS are douches too, for encouraging this douchebag.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at February 04, 2013 04:27 PM (iAUf+)

159 Posted by: Soona at February 04, 2013 04:26 PM (z2jDQ)

I'm going to wait for the NY Times reporters to explain what PTSD is....I don't need your input.

Posted by: Liberal LIV at February 04, 2013 04:28 PM (GsoHv)

160 Oh, and you PAULIANS are douches too, for encouraging this douchebag.

I believe the correct terminology is "Paultard".

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 04, 2013 04:29 PM (SY2Kh)

161 Yeah. Ron Paul goes completely "Westboro Baptist"

Posted by: Oliver Stone at February 04, 2013 04:29 PM (e8kgV)

162 You know, I feel sorry for Rand Paul. I really do.

Let's say he denounces his father (he may have I haven't looked). Congrats, you just had to humiliate your father in public. No matter how deserved, that sucks.

Is there anything that Rand can do to get away from his father? I mean other than becoming a raging Leftist.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 04, 2013 04:29 PM (VtjlW)

163 - I have met Marcus - he is probably heading over to kick Ron Paul's ass right now.
Posted by: redguy at February 04, 2013 04:01 PM (oKH8p)


I hope so. He's had to deal with PTS and pain med issues himself, plus those yahoos who shot his dog after he left the service.

Honestly, with a former congressdouche trashing them and people stateside fucking with them, I bet some of these vets are having second thoughts about the country they volunteered to serve.

It's one thing to disagree on national policy--it's quite another thing to put the hate on these guys we send overseas.

Posted by: stace at February 04, 2013 04:29 PM (m+UHL)

164 Damn the nine Jew bankers who run everything and their ability to take over Ron Paul's twitter account!

Posted by: Paulian nut job at February 04, 2013 04:29 PM (cGlgB)

165 Long story, but I have talked with many diagnosed mentally ill people. Most do not run around flapping their arms and yelling "Coo-coo for coco-puff!s" the way they are often portrayed.

Most of them are lucid and reasonable 90% of the time, but then say something that clearly informs you, this person is friggin insane! ....exactly like Ron Paul.

Posted by: Icedog at February 04, 2013 04:29 PM (9ScGj)

166 154 Soona,

Yeah not trying to play doctor, I am diagnosed with it.

I did not play Dr phil WRT wife's hypervigilance but it lasted a period that had me wary of her healing...I told her to wait 3 months then 6 then 9 and decide.

The fear the troops have of being hard diagnosed is real, and it is career damaging.

The military needs to make up its mind about what it is doing.

I think the rocket attack just overloaded her coping ability downrange so she shut it off, that attack and her turns at the detail mopping down the humvees popped by IEDs are what stuck with her but she is not a heavy drinker or self-medicating in any way.

Her main way of coping is not talking about it with outsiders and just replying to gratitude, 'thanks...it is an easy nation to want to defend and we all play our part."

because you never know when a guy like Luap Nor will strike.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 04, 2013 04:30 PM (LRFds)

167
Pot.... Man pot
Posted by: sven10077 at February 04, 2013 04:09 PM (LRFds)

I swear they'd vote for Pol Fucking Pot if he advocated legalizing ... uh... pot...and stuff.

THC is a miracle drug when it comes to expanding your political flexibility.

Posted by: Jaws at February 04, 2013 04:30 PM (4I3Uo)

168 >Bin Laden Town Abbottabad Plans Theme Park<

Where is the post on this?

It ought to be good for at least 300 comments and several news carnival games.

http://tinyurl.com/d7ky6ry

Posted by: Marcus at February 04, 2013 04:30 PM (GGCsk)

169 What part of McCain's comment was racist?

Ahmadinnerjacket is a barking-at-the-moon, Jew-hating lunatic.

Is that a race?

***

Yep.

I just replied to Amash's Hayek tweet to suggest he cool it with calling Austrians smelly. That it comes off as racist.

What an idiot.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 04:30 PM (piMMO)

170 The West Texas Plains would provide clear lines of fire.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 04, 2013 04:23 PM (5DR1j)


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So one would think. But the ground always has rolls and irregularities that can give one a very stealthy advantage. The illusion of flatness is just that. An illusion.

Posted by: Soona at February 04, 2013 04:30 PM (z2jDQ)

171

Ron and Rand are quickly becoming a Shakespearean play.

Posted by: beachwrite at February 04, 2013 04:31 PM (LpQbZ)

172 Yeah, call me names, but I think people with mental
issues and guns may not be a good combination. But I have no clue how
to circumvent the problem without a massive infringement upon the rights
of people without mental issues. Better judgement, maybe. Better
education about contemporary psychological/pharmacological issues,
maybe.



But Ron Paul is still a monumental jackass.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at February 04, 2013 04:22 PM (feFL6)
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Doesn't it really depend on the "mental issue?" How do you differentiate between which mental issue is ok for removing a person's rights and which isn't? For that matter, between the different levels of something like PTSD? Or the cause of the PTSD? If I have chronic PTSD from a car accident is it ok to take away my right to own a gun? My diagnosis is a lifetime one...you're taking away my rights for my entire life because I have traumatic anxiety from driving. I take major issue with that.

Posted by: DangerGirl at February 04, 2013 04:31 PM (GrtrJ)

173


He who lives with a tinfoil hat, dies with a tinfoil hat.

Posted by: beachwrite at February 04, 2013 04:31 PM (LpQbZ)

174 The West Texas Plains would provide clear lines of fire.

True. With access to water and a plan for skirting past Austin and San Antonio it's doable.

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 04, 2013 04:32 PM (BAS5M)

175 I wonder how the ronulans will spin this. They LOVE to say what a patriot he is and how much he loves our soldiers.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 04, 2013 04:32 PM (uhftQ)

176 Battle fatigue can also excaberate a pre-condition of mental illness, as I'm suspecting in this case.

Posted by: Soona at February 04, 2013 04:26 PM (z2jDQ)

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The killer is 25, which is class onset time for male schizophrenics.

Posted by: stace at February 04, 2013 04:33 PM (m+UHL)

177 ATC - I would like to believe that Rand Paul absorbed only the good lessons growing up, things like respect for the Constitution and all. So far, I think Rand Paul has been very good. But I can understand why Hollowpoint and others have some reservations. It is probably right to have them. But you are correct, its not a fun position to be in. And I do remember Rand being an outspoken proponent for Mitt. So there is that. I think we all agree, it would be best for him (and I would assume libertairans in general) if Ron would just go away.

Posted by: SH at February 04, 2013 04:33 PM (gmeXX)

178 For everyone worried about how this might affect Rand Paul's future I would like to point out that Obama senior was a raging Marxist polygamist who supported stealing the wealth of whites in Kenya. But then again... the media.

Posted by: Drew in MO at February 04, 2013 04:34 PM (cGlgB)

179 The guy's murder was certainly ironic.

But as we know, knuckleheads don't get irony, anymore than the fish "gets" water.

Posted by: F. Nietzsche at February 04, 2013 04:34 PM (0V976)

180 Let's say he denounces his father (he may have I haven't looked).

He never does.

Even when, as in criticizing Iran, he has different views from his father.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 04, 2013 04:34 PM (T0NGe)

181

I just love his whiny little strange voice and droopy dog eyes.

Posted by: ronulan1 at February 04, 2013 04:34 PM (LpQbZ)

182 It's the right we have to worry about.

Finally...some truth spoken to power on this blog!

Posted by: Liberal Leftist Douchebags Everywhere at February 04, 2013 04:34 PM (vbh31)

183 For everyone worried about how this might affect Rand Paul's future I would like to point out that Obama senior was a raging Marxist polygamist who supported stealing the wealth of whites in Kenya. But then again... the media.
Posted by: Drew in MO
****

Which the media hid from the masses...

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 04, 2013 04:35 PM (uhftQ)

184 Erg takes a break from his dog fucking ....


Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 04, 2013 04:35 PM (NTBjC)

185 Which the media hid from the masses...

As if the masses would have given a shit if they had found out.

Posted by: HeatherRadish, pre-denounced for your convenience at February 04, 2013 04:35 PM (ZKzrr)

186
Marcus Luttrell is pretty much the last person on this planet I'd want pissed off at me.

Well played, Dr. Paul. Well played.

Posted by: Jaws at February 04, 2013 04:35 PM (4I3Uo)

187 I usually just ask what specific things Herr Doktor Skience accomplished, other than pork, and wait for the conversation to turn to Jew Bankers, which it always seems to (every time I end up stuck in a room with a Paulian, that is).

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 04, 2013 04:36 PM (bxiXv)

188 I am happy with Sen. Rand Paul.

I want nothing to do with Presidential candidate Rand Paul.

It is ghoulish, but he can't run for national office while his father is alive and tweeting.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 04, 2013 04:36 PM (T0NGe)

189 The left's contempt for humanity should cease to amaze me at some point.


It ceased to amaze me years ago.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 04, 2013 04:36 PM (GFM2b)

190 >>>13 He who lives by the pussy, dies by the pussy.

Unless the deep fried Twinkies get to you first.

Posted by: Ron Jeremy at February 04, 2013 04:37 PM (eUUME)

191 Just over checking out the Ron Paul forums, and a thread about this already generated over 30 pages of responses since this morning. The various arguments seem to be:

1. It wasn't Ron Paul. It was an aide or staffer or something.
2. It wasn't Ron Paul. H@x0rZ!
3. It was Ron Paul, but he's making a very careful satirical point(whatever the fuck that is).
4. It was Ron Paul, and he's got a point.
5. It was Ron Paul, and Chris Kyle deserved to die because he's proud of his kills in war.
6. Neocons are just cooking this whole thing up.
7. It was him, and he was wrong.(least popular theory...shocker of the year)

Posted by: MadisonConservative at February 04, 2013 04:37 PM (Y/HG5)

192 Aaaaand erg one-ups Uncle Crazy on tasteless comments.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 04, 2013 04:38 PM (CqjOV)

193 Ahmadinnerjacket is a barking-at-the-moon, Jew-hating lunatic.

Is that a race?>>

No but it is a religion.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 04, 2013 04:39 PM (81UWZ)

194 The guy's murder was certainly ironic.

I'm intrigued by erg's sense of irony. I don't think the word means what he thinks it means.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 04, 2013 04:39 PM (evdj2)

195 7. It was him, and he was wrong.(least popular theory...shocker of the year)

I'm surprised you can find that on a Luap Nor forum.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 04, 2013 04:39 PM (3YrMt)

196 The more I think about Paul's statement, the sicker I get.

Posted by: DangerGirl at February 04, 2013 04:39 PM (GrtrJ)

197
I don't get why he would even comment on it at all, let alone that comment. Its tasteless. The funeral hasn't even happened yet.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 04, 2013 04:39 PM (p/cQy)

198 Yes, because making comments about a decorated Navy SEAL when he's not here to defend himself and assuming there is nobody to do so is the pinnacle of wisdom.

Posted by: Marcus at February 04, 2013 04:39 PM (GGCsk)

199 What a douche.

Posted by: Lady in Black at February 04, 2013 04:39 PM (ATdet)

200 I'm starting an8th argument- the gold standard.

Posted by: SH at February 04, 2013 04:40 PM (gmeXX)

201 For everyone worried about how this might affect Rand Paul's future I would like to point out that Obama senior was a raging Marxist polygamist who supported stealing the wealth of whites in Kenya. But then again... the media.
Posted by: Drew in MO

****

Barack's home country of Kenya:

http://t.co/wHKY1Keb

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 04:40 PM (piMMO)

202 Paulbots still think Ron Paul won every primary but some conspiracy disallowed his victories.

His and his supporters give a whole new definition to the term "bat shit crazy"

Posted by: Sho Nuff at February 04, 2013 04:40 PM (jo0fs)

203 Luap Nor will cue the Uncle Leo defense in 5 . . . 4 . . . 3 . . .

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 04, 2013 04:40 PM (BAS5M)

204 "Battle fatigue can also excaberate a pre-condition of mental illness, as I'm suspecting in this case."

The other thing that can exacerbate a precondition of mental illness?

Many of the drugs that are allegedly supposed to treat it.

I've had several instances of watching mildly troubled people get prescribed psych meds and then go totally off the rails into completely irrational behavior.

Sometimes those drugs work as it would be hoped they would, in positive ways. Sometimes they produce huge alterations of behavior in negative ways, including explosive violence. And it's impossible to predict in advance which will happen in a particular person.

The defense medical establishment don't really have much of a clue as to how to deal with PTSD therapeutically, and they're totally overwhelmed by the number of cases, and so they are handing out these goddamned powerful and unpredictable pills left and right with little scrutiny. Cheapest and easiest "solution" even if it solves nothing.

The Newtown shooter had had his brain marinated in prescription psych medication for years. Worked great, didn't it? Klebold and Harris at Columbine, likewise. As did the "Joker" theater shooter in Aurora. And a metric fuckton of recent military PTSD suicides and murder-suicides.

Looking at the booking photo of this latest psycho killer, the glazed drug stare is immediately apparent.

The strategy that has worked the best for mentally troubled people I know is one of complete sobriety and abstinence from everything psychoactive as a starting point, including abstaining from psych meds. That doesn't make it easy, but it seems to work more reliably than any other method.

One friend of mine follows that rule. He's stable and employed and happy 25 years after getting a diagnosis of schitz. Another friend diagnosed as schitz has taken every med in the pharmacy and is unemployed and on the streets and muttering. You tell me.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 04, 2013 04:40 PM (gqT4g)

205 After reading what Ron Paul wrote, it would not surprise me one whit if he were to show up to Chris Kyle's funeral with a picket sign.

Posted by: Keith Arnold at February 04, 2013 04:40 PM (n4EDK)

206 I'd love for erg to meet my son. Hilarity would ensue.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 04, 2013 04:40 PM (UOM48)

207 I'm intrigued by erg's sense of irony. I don't think the word means what he thinks it means.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 04, 2013 04:39 PM (evdj2)


Words aren't erg's friends; nor are numbers from his hilarious calculation on how long it's been since Reagan was President.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 04, 2013 04:41 PM (CqjOV)

208 As if the masses would have given a shit if they had found out.

It goes so well with our country's new motto, "What difference, at this point, does it make?" or to be more exact, "I don't care as long as I am getting free shit!".

Posted by: Drew in MO at February 04, 2013 04:41 PM (cGlgB)

209 I've never seen anyone bring up Coco Puffs around Ron Paul. Probably for the best.

Posted by: Kensington at February 04, 2013 04:41 PM (H84UO)

210 The fear the troops have of being hard diagnosed is real, and it is career damaging.The military needs to make up its mind about what it is doing.

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Agree. The left started trying to label vets from war zones as crazy back in the Vietnam days. They've pounded this to the point where many people have the idea that once in combat, the soldier is going to be a permenent killer never to be fully trusted in society. I even get this in a subtle way from my supervisors sometimes.

And with the gun control push now, any hint of the left's definition of mental derivation will keep many vets from actively practicing their 2d Amendment right.

Posted by: Soona at February 04, 2013 04:41 PM (z2jDQ)

211 Just over checking out the Ron Paul forums, and a thread about this already generated over 30 pages of responses since this morning. The various arguments seem to be:1. It wasn't Ron Paul. It was an aide or staffer or something.2. It wasn't Ron Paul. H@x0rZ!3. It was Ron Paul, but he's making a very careful satirical point(whatever the fuck that is).4. It was Ron Paul, and he's got a point.5. It was Ron Paul, and Chris Kyle deserved to die because he's proud of his kills in war.6. Neocons are just cooking this whole thing up.7. It was him, and he was wrong.(least popular theory...shocker of the year)
****

I've seen them defens evertyhing he has done from the racist newsletters to the large amounts of pork. No surprise that they continue to live in pathological denial of reality.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 04, 2013 04:41 PM (uhftQ)

212 fuck pon raul, freakin creepy old bastard.

Posted by: trailortrash at February 04, 2013 04:41 PM (xllDV)

213
>>I'd love for erg to meet my son. Hilarity would ensue.<<


That guy's all talk.

Posted by: Parking Lot Monkey at February 04, 2013 04:42 PM (qkwNm)

214 How do you differentiate between which mental issue is ok for removing a person's rights and which isn't?

Perhaps you misunderstood what I wrote. I'm not calling for a nationwide data base of pharmaceuticals or mental health issues cross-referenced to gun owners -- which would mean armed police arrive at a citizens home to confiscate guns along with their prescription for certain medicines or upon a certain diagnosis. But I can see the day the lefties get this to happen, along with about 100,000 new federal employees to enforce the system. And another rise in taxes.

I'm only suggesting that people become a little more aware that certain pharmaceuticals and mental health issues are a really, really bad combination with guns. A little 'self-policing' is infinitely better then any strategy the govmint will come up with.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at February 04, 2013 04:42 PM (feFL6)

215
The left's contempt for humanity should cease to amaze me at some point.


Hmm. What do all of these people have in common?

Josef Stalin
Rachel Carson
Bill Ayres
Ted Kacsynski
Bernardine Dohrn
Margaret Sanger
Mao tse Tung
Peter Singer
Pol Pot


Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at February 04, 2013 04:43 PM (8ZskC)

216 Icedog: "Paul needs to expound on his comment."

Respectfully disagree. Now is about the time Ron Paul needs to shut his piehole. He has expressed his disdain for the military pretty clearly at this point and used an American hero who performed exceptionally well for his nation as a tool for his animus. F*ck him. I don't want to hear from him again.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 04, 2013 04:43 PM (eHIJJ)

217 The left started trying to label vets from war zones as crazy back in the Vietnam days.

They did it before that. As early as WWI, IIRC.

Here's another thing: the Newtown shooter didn't own the guns, his mom did. So how big a step is it from "the mentally ill can't own guns" to "people who live with the mentally ill can't have guns?"

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 04, 2013 04:43 PM (3YrMt)

218 I've been saying the man is clinically insane for over 25 years now, but did anyone listen? Nooooooooooooooooo!

And if you halfwits think for one minute his son Aqua Buddha isn't going to exhibit much the same symptoms sooner rather than later, you are as batty as they are.

Posted by: Adjoran at February 04, 2013 04:44 PM (9uOra)

219 I've seen them defens evertyhing he has done from the racist newsletters to the large amounts of pork. No surprise that they continue to live in pathological denial of reality.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 04, 2013 04:41 PM (uhftQ)


I have trouble on occasion delineating a Paulbot's "reasoning" from a typical moonbat. Even their politics aren't all that far apart.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 04, 2013 04:44 PM (Qxe/p)

220 I'm only suggesting that people become a little more
aware that certain pharmaceuticals and mental health issues are a
really, really bad combination with guns voting, driving and just living life.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at February 04, 2013 04:42 PM (feFL6)

FIFY

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 04, 2013 04:45 PM (GsoHv)

221 Ron Paul tweets:

Immigration ‘Reform’ Will Turn the US into a Police State

http://t.co/tfG2BgC1

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 04:46 PM (piMMO)

222 Did he say the same thing about George Tiller?

Posted by: zsasz at February 04, 2013 04:46 PM (MMC8r)

223 I know people say conservatives need a strong national leader and that is one of our problems, we have not had one since Reagan. Then I look at guys like Obama and Paul and see how their followers are mindless idiots who never question a single thing put forward by their chosen deliverers.

Posted by: Drew in MO at February 04, 2013 04:46 PM (cGlgB)

224 I hate to sound all tinfoil-hatty (pulls on tinfoil hat), but what if that's part of why we're getting as much coverage as we are on this?

I mean, people on the Right know who Chris Kyle is (was), but those on the left? I just can't see it. I don't see the National Media taking a big interest in this except-

"The victims were to former Navy SEALS. If anyone could protect themselves, it would have been them. They couldn't, therefore all guns are bad and must be banned for our protection."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 04, 2013 04:46 PM (3YrMt)

225 As much as i hate Paul, (and always have) we can afford to have a few more like him (anti-military, small gov. , unhinged)
What we can not afford are more like McStain (Pro-military, pro socialism, stupid)

And his kid seems OK so far.

Surely he said nothing that every fucking one of the dem politicians, as well as 90% of the media wouldn't agree with. At least he says it.

Posted by: Endeavor to Persevere at February 04, 2013 04:46 PM (zZJJp)

226 I've had several instances of watching mildly troubled people get prescribed psych meds and then go totally off the rails into completely irrational behavior.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 04, 2013 04:40 PM (gqT4g)


It's not the best analogy, but if you think of cells as stars, the human body makes the Milky Way Galaxy look like a tinker toy set.

Medicines just don't universally work the same way for all people, and it gets worse when you realize a lot of different conditions can have the same symptoms, and people are imperfectly diagnosed *on top* of that.

We have so far to go in medicine it's not even funny, even if your life wasn't destroyed by a "medical misadventure."

Be careful, research everything, double-check everything, and you may *still* get boned by an unknown incompatibility.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 04, 2013 04:47 PM (bxiXv)

227 ATC - I would like to believe that Rand Paul absorbed only the good lessons growing up, things like respect for the Constitution and all. So far, I think Rand Paul has been very good. But I can understand why Hollowpoint and others have some reservations. It is probably right to have them. But you are correct, its not a fun position to be in. And I do remember Rand being an outspoken proponent for Mitt. So there is that. I think we all agree, it would be best for him (and I would assume libertairans in general) if Ron would just go away.
Posted by: SH at February 04, 2013 04:33 PM (gmeXX)



I think it's fair to have reservations about Rand. I know that I do. I don't think it's fair that I do but I know how much of my outlook on life was shaped by how I was raised. Of course there should be reservations, it might not be fair but it's realistic.

I also am ambivalent about my own feeling that he should denounce his father. Yes, it would illuminate that Rand does not agree with Ron but I don't want to imagine being in that position myself.


I agree with Amish, Rand cannot run for President while Ron is alive. I don't think Ron would be able to keep his fool mouth shut.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 04, 2013 04:47 PM (VtjlW)

228 You know, that's not even stupid. It's just mean. A man that laid it all on the line in defense of freedom was minimized by a man that prospered under that system. There was a time that I thought RP made several good points. Now? I can't imagine summoning the effort to piss on his grave.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 04:47 PM (l86i3)

229 Ron is stupid and offensive.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at February 04, 2013 04:47 PM (AWmfW)

230 I'd love for erg to meet my son. Hilarity would ensue.


Pay-Per-View!

Posted by: rickb223 at February 04, 2013 04:48 PM (GFM2b)

231 They did it before that. As early as WWI, IIRC.Here's another thing: the Newtown shooter didn't own the guns, his mom did. So how big a step is it from "the mentally ill can't own guns" to "people who live with the mentally ill can't have guns?"
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 04, 2013 04:43 PM (3YrMt)


--------------------------------


Maybe I should have said that the left went full 'tard on vets during Vietnam.

Posted by: Soona at February 04, 2013 04:48 PM (z2jDQ)

232 Even their politics aren't all that far apart.

The only real difference is that we don't like being called "commies".

Posted by: Paulbots at February 04, 2013 04:49 PM (vbh31)

233 Get him back on his meds. Talk about fucking up his son's shit.


Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 04, 2013 04:49 PM (wR+pz)

234 Now you will take Newts baggage in 2016 and carry it for him ....heh heh not so heavy when you consider the other bricks in the yard?

Posted by: Clemenza at February 04, 2013 04:49 PM (x59Gv)

235 Kasich caves on Obamacare

http://t.co/WwUdRdBS

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 04:50 PM (piMMO)

236 He needs some silver fucking dimes shoved up his ass.

Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 04, 2013 04:50 PM (wR+pz)

237 Unless there is some evidence by a trained psychologist that this guy was diagnosed with ptss, I call bullshit. People are constantly claiming to have it or that other people have it and they do not.

Posted by: Waldo at February 04, 2013 04:50 PM (jwumz)

238 How someone so right about some things can be so wrong about others is just maddening.

Posted by: Jaws at February 04, 2013 04:50 PM (4I3Uo)

239 OT nerd-break: how to fire a ping-pong ball supersonically, and, at 5:48, the damage it'll do to a ping-pong paddle:

http://scoamf.us/6w

Posted by: t-bird at February 04, 2013 04:50 PM (FcR7P)

240 I agree with Amish, Rand cannot run for President while Ron is alive. I don't think Ron would be able to keep his fool mouth shut.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 04, 2013 04:47 PM (VtjlW)


And that's a shame. My father was a POS. A criminal hustler, serial cheater on my mom and Pathalogical liar. I made a decision early on not to be like him and I am what you see now. A family man that has been married to the same woman faithfully for 20 years. To paint a son with a fathers brush is easy to do, but it's a mistake.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 04:51 PM (l86i3)

241 "The victims were to former Navy SEALS. If anyone could protect themselves, it would have been them. They couldn't, therefore all guns are bad and must be banned for our protection."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 04, 2013 04:46 PM (3YrMt)


Ban airbags, seatbelts, and most of all medicine.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 04, 2013 04:52 PM (bxiXv)

242 @ 240 now personally I wish I was half the paint my dad was...

Posted by: Clemenza at February 04, 2013 04:52 PM (x59Gv)

243 Ban airbags, seatbelts, and most of all medicine.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 04, 2013 04:52 PM (bxiXv)


And police, WTF good are they?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 04:53 PM (l86i3)

244 I suspect Rand will tell the old man to sit down and shut up in 2016.

The old man would have to be restrained and all his electronic devices taken away and even then he would find a way to cause mayhem.

Rand need not bother running as long as his father is alive.

Posted by: Decaf at February 04, 2013 04:53 PM (NmvvV)

245 And that's a shame. My father was a POS. A criminal hustler, serial cheater on my mom and Pathalogical liar. I made a decision early on not to be like him and I am what you see now. A family man that has been married to the same woman faithfully for 20 years. To paint a son with a fathers brush is easy to do, but it's a mistake.

***

I grew up in similarly bad circumstances and decided early on that my life would be very, very different.

While it's true the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, sometimes they do hit the ground and keep rolling.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 04:53 PM (piMMO)

246 "As much as i hate Paul, (and always have) we can afford to have a few more like him (anti-military, small gov. , unhinged)"

disagree. when you see everything (literally) through the lens of big government, it's not critical thinking, it's just kneejerk ideology.

"get the government out of [everything]" is just sloganeering. it's about defining the proper functions, not just opposing the state because it's the state.

it's the reverse image of liberals who will only admit something's failed because we didn't Do More, and i don't necessarily find that to be a good thing.

Posted by: JDP at February 04, 2013 04:53 PM (60GaT)

247 235 Kasich caves on Obamacare

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 04:50 PM (piMMO)


Oh, fuckberries.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 04, 2013 04:54 PM (bxiXv)

248 #240 OldSailors Poet, I completely understand.

As far as Ron Paul, it is possible that he is exhibiting signs of dementia, and this is why he retired. However, someone forgot to take the keys to the internet away from him.

The only thing that will save Rand is a medical diagnosis and an effort to get the father under medical care

Otherwise, we are going to get more of this stuff from the father and Rand is never going to be more than a one-term senator.

Posted by: Miss Marple at February 04, 2013 04:55 PM (GoIUi)

249 Kasich caves on Obamacare

I haven't been following Ohio politics since he lost the vote on trying to reign in unions but it appears as though Kasich hasn't regained his courage since that. Kasich talked a good game for years but it appears as though he might not have the steel spine required to govern as a conservatives. If Walker can get done what he has in a state like Wisconsin but then Kasich only buckles in Ohio, that is pretty sad.

Posted by: Drew in MO at February 04, 2013 04:55 PM (cGlgB)

250 Surprise? He is Polish the women run the house...

Posted by: Clemenza at February 04, 2013 04:55 PM (x59Gv)

251 There's more to this story than what we're hearing.

Posted by: Soona at February 04, 2013 04:55 PM (z2jDQ)

252 To paint a son with a fathers brush is easy to do, but it's a mistake.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 04:51 PM (l86i3)


Troo dat; Father Hate was quite the role model but he wasn't perfect and I've deliberately done some things differently. I also don't measure up to him in some positive ways as well.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 04, 2013 04:55 PM (CqjOV)

253 To paint a son with a fathers brush is easy to do, but it's a mistake.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 04:51 PM (l86i3)


It is.

But if your father had been an author, your work would have been compared to his.

And, let's face it, Rand Paul would never have become Senator if not for his name.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 04, 2013 04:55 PM (T0NGe)

254 There's an old multipanel cartoon (Matt Groening?) about academic personalities.

One of them is the "single overarching master theory" type.

With a wild-eyed college professor exclaiming, "The nation which controls magnesium controls the world!!!!"

The problem with Luap Nor is that for him, every single thing that is wrong with the world has happened because America has not followed a path of righteous, rigid minarchist libertarianism for the last 90 years.

Deforestation in Bali? We didn't take the 10th Amendment seriously enough.

I actually like minarchist libertarianism, but I'm not fooling myself that even with a big dose of the stuff, the world would still be a horribly fucked-up place in countless ways. Luap Nor can't mentally parse that. A shame. It ends up impeaching the credibility of others on the same politico-philosophical vector.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 04, 2013 04:56 PM (gqT4g)

255 Oldsailor *hug* true.
each makes a decision , to fight for their soul. individually.

sometimes people are just wrong , stupid, irresponsible, or evil


time will tell with Rand.

Posted by: ette at February 04, 2013 04:56 PM (nqBYe)

256 To paint a son with a fathers brush is easy to do, but it's a mistake.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 04:51 PM (l86i3)


Well said. I have seen hundreds of times -- children see their parents and some take it as lesson of how to live, and others see it as lesson of what not to do. Maybe the former is more common, but not overwhelmingly.

Posted by: Endeavor to Persevere at February 04, 2013 04:56 PM (zZJJp)

257
Ron Paul is libertarian Jimmy Carter.

even for those who would otherwise align, the daft taint is too great

Posted by: Obamao at February 04, 2013 04:56 PM (JtyGg)

258 Posted by: AmishDude at February 04, 2013 04:55 PM (T0NGe)

Good point.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 04:56 PM (l86i3)

259 OT: Fox reports: Initial reports indicate the 5-year-old boy held hostage in an Alabama bunker is
free and his kidnapper is dead, a law enforcement source tells Fox News



Oh and new thread.

Posted by: Tami at February 04, 2013 04:57 PM (X6akg)

260 For Luap Nor, this is par for the course

Posted by: The Political Hat at February 04, 2013 04:57 PM (XvHmy)

261 Troo dat; Father Hate was quite the role model but
he wasn't perfect and I've deliberately done some things differently. I
also don't measure up to him in some positive ways as well.


Posted by: Captain Hate at February 04, 2013 04:55 PM (CqjOV)
same. My mother really was an upright individual, i struggle an fight demons to try to become as decent.

Posted by: ette at February 04, 2013 04:57 PM (nqBYe)

262 And, let's face it, Rand Paul would never have become Senator if not for his name.

***

I don't buy that. He is intelligent and charismatic and would have made people take notice without the last name.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 04:57 PM (piMMO)

263 @ yeah like how good Dr Obammy was and all...

Posted by: Clemenza at February 04, 2013 04:57 PM (x59Gv)

264 demon's = a metaphor.

Posted by: ette at February 04, 2013 04:58 PM (nqBYe)

265 And that's a shame. My father was a POS. A criminal hustler, serial cheater on my mom and Pathalogical liar. I made a decision early on not to be like him and I am what you see now. A family man that has been married to the same woman faithfully for 20 years. To paint a son with a fathers brush is easy to do, but it's a mistake.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 04:51 PM (l86i3)



First, good on you.


Second, I'm trying really hard not to do that because it's not fair. I've known many people who had POS fathers and mothers and who are wonderful people specifically because they utterly refuse to live that life.

Third, to play internet shrink, I wonder if some of this isn't jealousy on the part of Ron. His son is getting the attention and is being discussed as a serious contender for President in a way that he simply wasn't. Well, now, we can take care of that.


Whoever it was who said this is getting Shakespearean is right. It's also very sad. I keep trying to imagine myself in Rand's shoes and it makes my heart clench.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 04, 2013 04:58 PM (VtjlW)

266 Ron Paul tweets:



Immigration ‘Reform’ Will Turn the US into a Police State



http://t.co/tfG2BgC1


Big surprise. He doesn't seem to have a problem with amnesty, but border and workplace immigration enforcement is equivalent to an East German police state.

And of course, the real cause of illegal immigration? The Fed.

The best thing the nutjob could do for mankind is leave it.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 04, 2013 04:59 PM (SY2Kh)

267 well, I guess we now know that treating PTSD at the local firing range is a bad idea, generally speaking.

Posted by: F. Nietzsche at February 04, 2013 04:59 PM (0V976)

268 As NRO's Greg Pollowitz pointed out on Twitter:
Paul's setup of "Treating PTSD at a firing range doesn't make sense" ...
ummmm ... doesn't make sense.


------------------
It's called "Exposure Therapy": http://goo.gl/RHs92

Posted by: Andy at February 04, 2013 04:16 PM
------------------
How about if it's just like fishing with your bud? Something to do while you hang out with a brother-in-arms; someone you can talk with that really understands?That's kind of what I pictured.

Posted by: Lurking Flaneur at February 04, 2013 05:00 PM (ay6+/)

269 The problem with Luap Nor is that for him, every single thing that is wrong with the world has happened because America has not followed a path of righteous, rigid minarchist libertarianism for the last 90 years.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 04, 2013 04:56 PM (gqT4g)


Well, that and that he was all hat and no cattle. He didn't *do* what he said, he just talked about it. He loudly railed against port and then voted for it, he voted against big government when it didn't matter and he basically was a fat nutritionist suffering from scurvy and beriberi.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 04, 2013 05:00 PM (bxiXv)

270 Politics is politics. Leave the family bonds for the dinner table. Plenty of Republicans declined to publicly endorse a candidate. He should've done the same.

Hollowpoint you really disappoint me sometimes. Does "Honor thy father and thy mother" ring a bell?

And ifhe did not endorse his father we and the MFM would have inferred that Rand would sacrifice his own father on the altar of amibition. Would you want to vote for someone that unprincipled.

What I find more egregious is the old man sacrificing his son for his own political ambitions. It's obvious which is a better man.

Posted by: Decaf at February 04, 2013 05:01 PM (NmvvV)

271 ** Hostage situation over. Man dead. Boy is fine. **

Posted by: RWC at February 04, 2013 05:01 PM (fWAjv)

272
Whoever it was who said this is getting Shakespearean is right. It's also very sad. I keep trying to imagine myself in Rand's shoes and it makes my heart clench.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 04, 2013 04:58 PM (VtjlW)


You know, when I was driving race cars my dad actuallt sabotaged my car so I would not race without him at the track. It's a long story, but thats how fucked up people can be.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 05:01 PM (l86i3)

273 "There's more to this story than what we're hearing"
================

Tell me about it.

Posted by: John Roberts, Staring At The Blackmail Photos at February 04, 2013 05:02 PM (H84UO)

274 To paint a son with a fathers brush is easy to do, but it's a mistake.



Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 04:51 PM (l86i3)


Maybe, but again- Rand endorsed Ron for President. I suspect that you didn't dedicate your book to your father.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 04, 2013 05:03 PM (SY2Kh)

275 What's PTSD got to do with it, anyway? Is the shooter supposed to be suffering from it too? Maybe I've just skimmed the stories a bit too much.

Posted by: Lurking Flaneur at February 04, 2013 05:04 PM (ay6+/)

276 Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 04, 2013 04:41 PM (uhftQ) I have trouble on occasion delineating a Paulbot's "reasoning" from a typical moonbat. Even their politics aren't all that far apart.
Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn)
****

I've noticed the same thing. They are so much alike it's scary.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 04, 2013 05:06 PM (uhftQ)

277 washington post;

Jun 7, 2012 – Rand Paul (R-Ky.) has endorsed Mitt Romney's presidential bid, throwing his weight behind the presumptive GOP nominee even as his father,

Posted by: ette at February 04, 2013 05:06 PM (nqBYe)

278 hmm full paragraph;


Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) has endorsed Mitt Romney’s presidential bid,
throwing his weight behind the presumptive GOP nominee even as his
father, Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas), has yet to fully terminate his White
House bid.
Rand Paul made the move in an appearance on Fox News Channel’s “Hannity."

"Well, you know, my first choice had always been my father. ...
He is still my first pick," Paul said, according to a rush transcript
of the appearance. "But now that the nominating process is over,
tonight, I am happy to announce I am supporting Governor Romney."

Posted by: ette at February 04, 2013 05:07 PM (nqBYe)

279 269

well TBF he couldn't really do what he said because barely anyone in the House agrees with him (though there are more now)

Posted by: JDP at February 04, 2013 05:08 PM (60GaT)

280 Maybe, but again- Rand endorsed Ron for President. I suspect that you didn't dedicate your book to your father.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 04, 2013 05:03 PM (SY2Kh)

No, I did not. Actually one of my dedications was to you. The rons of AoS. But feel free to purchase it paperback or Kindle on Amazon.com.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 05:08 PM (l86i3)

281 anyhoo, (funny word ehe)

Ron Paul did not back Romney after He lost .

petty man.

Posted by: ette at February 04, 2013 05:09 PM (nqBYe)

282 Medicines just don't universally work the same way
for all people, and it gets worse when you realize a lot of different
conditions can have the same symptoms, and people are imperfectly
diagnosed *on top* of that.


Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 04, 2013 04:47 PM (bxiXv)

Agreed, I carry with me and make my guy carry with him in his wallet, a list of 16 medications to which I am allergic. One of them came very close to killing me because the Doctor did not chart it that it had been given to me. That is one of the things that makes me shake my head at today's 'utes who will grab a handful of pills from a bowlful of stolen prescriptions and swallow them. What could possibly go wrong with that?

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at February 04, 2013 05:09 PM (kXoT0)

283 Ron paul is a total piece of shit.

Posted by: Bill Grant at February 04, 2013 05:10 PM (OgpUV)

284 Hollowpoint you really disappoint me sometimes. Does "Honor thy father and thy mother" ring a bell?

I'm pretty sure that the 4th Commandment doesn't extend to political endorsements. Was Rand also obligated to vote the same as his father too?

Endorsing a different candidate might have come across as cold and/or cynically ambitious, but few would've batted an eyelash had he simply not endorsed anybody. Rand wasn't exactly a household name, and nobody was at the edge of their seat waiting to see who he'd endorse.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 04, 2013 05:10 PM (SY2Kh)

285 Doing your boy no favors, asshat.

Posted by: gm at February 04, 2013 05:11 PM (/kBoL)

286 RP's peeps over at Reason are basically condoning this tweet as a righteous condemnation of all the assassins who fight in our ILLEGAL WARZ!!!1!

Posted by: Norman Bean at February 04, 2013 05:20 PM (sTS/8)

287 Regarding Range Time™, a personal anecdote.
Oldest son returned from Afghanistan, pretty much broken. He was Infantry (11B, awarded CIB; myself and Mrs. Schüle went down to Ft. Benning to see him at the Bluing ceremony), stationed at Ft Campbell, a Rakasan, and proud of it. Upon his return to The World, the Chairborne Commandos made his – and his returning friends – lives a Holy Hell; spit-shine was the order of the day and it was a chore for them to adjust from almost getting killed on a daily basis to caring about the nit-noi. He returned to us April of 2012 after being shuffled around by his brigade hierarchy, accused of malingering, Article 15'd, and being put on a vile, ineffective cocktail of drugs designed not to fix him but to cover the problem up.
He manifested all the classic PTSD symptoms - stuttering, stammering, hyper-vigilance bordering on paranoia, inability to think clearly, etc. And he *knew* that he was fucked up - he just couldn't do anything about it which added a degree of difficulty that even an East German Olympic judge would be unable to ignore.
Until the local VA got him examined and changed his meds to something that actually work, the only bright spots he had were manual labor (insofar as his physical limitations allowed him to) and shooting with me in the Back 40 up here.
When he was shooting, it was kind of a Zen thing. He wasn't feeble, he wasn't stammering, he wasn't confused; he was calm and - FINALLY! - in control of himself and his life! It was wonderful to watch and see him not hate himself for being a (self-viewed) pitiful shadow of his former self.
He's much better now, though he himself acknowledges he has farther to go - if he ever gets there. The range time helped get m'boy back from a very dark and evil place.
My heart goes out to the family and friends of Chris Kyle and the other gentleman and pray that the Lord comforts them and gets them through this.
Oh, and Ron Fucking Paul (and his supporters) can go anally fuck himself sideways with a well-running, rusty, Stihl chainsaw.

Posted by: Alte Schüle at February 04, 2013 05:23 PM (B8tS4)

288 Ron Paul is the kind of person that makes me sympathize with the idea of involuntary confinement to a mental institution.

Posted by: NR Pax at February 04, 2013 05:41 PM (j4yce)

289 Couple of things.

1. @Alte - does the shooting range thing work all the time? Or is that just an anecdote? Seems like Kyle and his friend thought it would help, as you do, but maybe his friend wasn't ready. I guess you'd have to know the state of the person to know if he was ready to handle a weapon.

2. The whole Paulhate thing reminds me of how fragmented the right really is - they've got nothing and the left has nothing to worry about from them, other than maybe guns. From this election it looked like the only two real pulling forces in right-wing politics is the 'Establishment' (who are probably RINOS anyway) and the 'Paulbots'. The Tea Partiers seem to be finally getting to what they stand for, but it's all too little too late. You have to unite all classes of society like the Dems do to even have a chance at becoming a national party.

Also, Twitter makes everyone's asshole problem worse; Facebook too. That's why I don't use 'em.

Gotta find some common ground or die. That's the way it is for the right, now.

Posted by: RiverC at February 04, 2013 05:43 PM (El+h4)

290 I guess Papa Paul doesn't want his son to eclipse him in the spotlight.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at February 04, 2013 05:55 PM (5H6zj)

291 the establishment today on the GOP side is more conservative than it used to be. disagreements between them and the Tea Party don't seem to be based on any meaningful policy differences (well except for select Cut a Bajillion Dollars Now Paulite types, who understandably have very little influence in Congress)

Posted by: JDP at February 04, 2013 05:58 PM (60GaT)

292 And that's a shame. My father was a POS. A criminal hustler, serial cheater on my mom and Pathalogical liar. I made a decision early on not to be like him and I am what you see now. A family man that has been married to the same woman faithfully for 20 years. To paint a son with a fathers brush is easy to do, but it's a mistake. Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 04:51 PM (l86i3)
My biological father was a bad man by any measure, very much like the one you describe. He beat us like it was his job. Like you, I determined I was going to one day be the best father I knew how to be. According to my kids, now both fine young adults, a daughter in college, a son in the Army, I managed to pull it off.

People who know me don't compare me to my father, at all, ever.

Posted by: troyriser at February 04, 2013 05:58 PM (vtiE6)

293 Rand Paul is not his father. Please stop being pricks and demanding he comment on his father.

Posted by: sexypig at February 04, 2013 06:00 PM (dZQh7)

294 #287, Please thank your son for me. I'm not a wealthy man, but I would gladly buy you and yours dinner.

Posted by: TheThinMan at February 04, 2013 06:08 PM (25Udx)

295 And mrs. d'oh, same for you. Ya ever want the best pizza in the world, leave a message here.

Posted by: TheThinMan at February 04, 2013 06:10 PM (25Udx)

296 #287, Please thank your son for me. I'm not a wealthy man, but I would gladly buy you and yours dinner.
Best pizza in the WORLD is at paisanos in Chicago

Posted by: TheThinMan at February 04, 2013 06:11 PM (25Udx)

297 About RR Paul -

1. Given how the GOP treated Ron at the convention, I don't see how he was going to back any GOP candidate. Has nothing to do with pettiness, but just simple tact.

2. Rand doesn't have to comment about Ron's comment. Ron, Like R. Nader, is an old goose and off his game finally, I guess. Though to be honest, I didn't read the comment as an attack, but I guess there is some anti-military sentiment going on there. Rand's probably used to it and doesn't care.

Then again, if Ron is anything like most of y'all here, I'll bet there's more than just a little bit of anger simmering under the surface...

Posted by: RiverC at February 04, 2013 06:16 PM (El+h4)

298 Well fuck me, this is embarrassing. What a stupid, stupid thing to say about anyone, let alone someone who served the country so honorably.

Posted by: ElKomandante at February 04, 2013 06:36 PM (lRGGc)

299 Never liked this cocksucking mother fucking piece of shit.

Frankly he needs to fucking drop dead already. He is an embarassment to all the fucking retards that ever supported him.

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright's Sock Puppet at February 04, 2013 06:38 PM (+OTLF)

300 Fuck the left.



It's the right we have to worry about.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 03:55 PM (piMMO)


OH MY FUCKING GOD FINALLY!
IF YOU DONT MOTIVATE THE RIGHT TO GET TO THE POLLS YOU WONT FUCKING WIN YOU DUMB FUCK RINOS!

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright's Sock Puppet at February 04, 2013 06:39 PM (+OTLF)

301 Comment from Rand Paul over at Breitbart: " from Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) has told Breitbart News exclusively, “Chris Kyle was a hero like all Americans who don the uniform to defend our country. Our prayers are with his family during this tragic time.”

Posted by: dixiegal at February 04, 2013 07:32 PM (d8l76)

302 Oddly I sort of like son Rand Paul at times. The crazy gene may have skipped a generation. Rand needs to tell Pa to put a cork in it.

The country is simply insane right now with progressive bs.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky poised in fluid situation at February 04, 2013 07:33 PM (baL2B)

303 RIP Chief Kyle. I never knew him personally but was honored to serve in the same community. He was a brother andwill be missed. After giving selfless service to his country he continued his selflesswork in theform of serving his brothers suffering from PTSD. Iam disgusted by Paul's remarks. Disgusted. And as someone who is generally a very vocaldefender of Paul's politics I just wanted to say that just as loudly. I'm ashamed of Ron Paul today. Truly baffled by these remarks.

Posted by: Andrew at February 04, 2013 07:37 PM (HS3dy)

304 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_by_the_sword,_die_by_the_sword

Posted by: TimmaY at February 04, 2013 07:47 PM (TXgfr)

305 My one consolation from that stunning loss in 2012 is that it means Ron Paul and his fucking cult shuffling off into well-deserved obscurity.

12 fucking years I got told 30,000 times Conservatives needed to line up and march behind this quack because *HE. IS. THE. ONLY. MAN. WHO. CAN.SAVE. AMERICA!!!1!!!*

And when you pointed out he was a raving lunatic you had to deal with a never-ending stream of personal attacks from his offended cultists.

As his political career in which he accomplished next to nothing of real national consequence, he'll probably keep up shit like this to get attention.

Posted by: drawandstrike at February 04, 2013 09:01 PM (uVLJc)

306 As his political career in which he accomplished next to nothing of real national consequence *winds down*, he'll probably keep up shit like this to get attention.

Left out a few words from post #305

Posted by: drawandstrike at February 04, 2013 09:05 PM (uVLJc)

307 Since Paul lived by the doctoring hopefully he'll die by it soon.

Posted by: Lopan at February 04, 2013 09:06 PM (qLbdy)

308 THIS-> "his political career in which he accomplished next to nothing of real national consequence"

That's the thing about the dude. He accomplished nothing, except keeping himself on the government dole via pork to his district and talking pretty to his cultists.

Posted by: Y-not at February 04, 2013 09:17 PM (5H6zj)

309 Hey there ronster-babe, 'he?' who lives by the porkinfestedvote DIES by the slit throat bleed out while hung by his back feet.

Was that a little too graphic?

Posted by: Blacksmith8 at February 04, 2013 09:57 PM (Yzu6e)

310 Another reason to hate this do nothing asshole.

Posted by: name at February 04, 2013 09:57 PM (KqnY1)

311 Gotta go, knuckleheads, the library's closing.

Posted by: E. Rgsuckscocksbychoice at February 04, 2013 10:00 PM (WMsq+)

312 The comment reflects on the state of Mr. Paul's mind and soul, and it is a sad image. The man is has no claim to either leadership or human dignity. What he once had was money to buy a big enough megaphone- which allowed him shout obnoxious remarks and gain attention on the political stage. This remark is an feeble attempt to regain lost attention. So do what he most fears; IGNORE HIM, and let his importance wither into the remnants of gaseous fumes.

A senseless tragedy to lose a great warrior in such a fashion. Thank you for your service to our country Chris Kyle. May your family find the love and support they need during the coming days. Fair winds and following seas soldier. May you find your way to the furthest shores.

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at February 04, 2013 10:28 PM (g5wi5)

313 Fuck that dirty cocksucking dickweasel Ron Paul with that lying sack of shit mother fucker in the white house's dick.

they deserve each other.

that is all.

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright's Sock Puppet at February 04, 2013 11:19 PM (+OTLF)

314 Rand Paul is not his father. Please stop being pricks and demanding he comment on his father.
Posted by: sexypig at February 04, 2013 06:00 PM (dZQh7)

Insofar as I know, no one is demanding anything of Rand Paul, at least not here. The prevalent feeling (at least from the right-of-center, conservative crowd) is pity for the guy, especially those of us who have or have had fucked-up fathers. Most of us are embarrassed for him. It isn't easy getting out from under the shadow of an raving asshole since some people assume 'like father, like son'.

Ron Paul's associations with Willis Carto, Spotlight publisher and founder of the Holocaust denial 'movement', as well as Alex Jones and the Prison Planet conspiracy crowd, in addition to his utter failure as a legislator (Seriously, not one piece of significant legislation throughout his tenure?), and his willingness to switch political parties (from Libertarian to Republican) as a matter of political expediency...and now this?

Fuck Ron Paul, truly.

Posted by: troyriser at February 04, 2013 11:23 PM (ptcFO)

315
Chris Kyle and Chad Littlefield went to my church. Chad's wife is the vice principal at my son's school. These are real people connected to my family in meaningful ways.
I understand that Ron Paul doesn't know them, won't ever meet them and doesn't care about them any more than being the prop for making a tempoary point in his rideforMonday'sself adulation. Likewise, I know by next week he'll be on to whoring off something else to reatin some level of public relevence. Still, despite knowing that, I no longerhave any synpathy for Ron Paul, anyone that continues to support him, anyone who defends him or the fate that eventually befalls him.

Posted by: Rob B. at February 05, 2013 12:21 PM (q32Ly)

316 What a viciously deranged little crazy man.

Yes, Chris Kyle certainly was. A deranged psychopath is more appropriate.

Posted by: cajuncocoa at February 05, 2013 02:39 PM (B0cKX)






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