The Establishment Strikes Back: Rove Group To Put Money Into Protecting And Promoting Party Favorites From Tea Party Kooks

This came out yesterday but since Super Bowl Sunday is a Holy Day of Obligation in America it seemed like a good idea to wait a day before launching the Establishment Wars.

The biggest donors in the Republican Party are financing a new group to recruit seasoned candidates and protect Senate incumbents from challenges by far-right conservatives and Tea Party enthusiasts who Republican leaders worry could complicate the party’s efforts to win control of the Senate.

The group, the Conservative Victory Project, is intended to counter other organizations that have helped defeat establishment Republican candidates over the last two election cycles. It is the most robust attempt yet by Republicans to impose a new sense of discipline on the party, particularly in primary races.

“There is a broad concern about having blown a significant number of races because the wrong candidates were selected,” said Steven J. Law, the president of American Crossroads, the “super PAC” creating the new project. “We don’t view ourselves as being in the incumbent protection business, but we want to pick the most conservative candidate who can win.”

So, the same donor group that closed ranks behind Mitt Romney and helped shut out credible challengers has decided that fresh off that success, they are ready to pick candidates for the Senate.

What could go wrong?

Yes, the "tea party" has gotten behind some stinkers (though Akin wasn't the tea party choice in a 3 way primary) but people forget all the crappy choices that came from 'the establishment'.

No one thinks Connie Mack, Pete Hoekstra, Denny Rehberg, Rick Berg, George Allen, and Tommy Thompson (a dreaded "tea party" candidate, Ron Johnson, unseated an incumbent Democrat in that state 2 years earlier and Scott Walker easily survived a recall earlier in the year) were anything but establishment picks.

Yet everyone focuses on Akin (again, not the "tea party candidate") and Mourock (who held statewide office on his own).

If conservatives had listened to their betters we wouldn't have Mike Lee, Ted Cruz, Rand Paul or Pat Toomey in the Senate at the moment. There's also Marco Rubio, who was already a career politician when he ran against establishment favorite Charlie Crist and whose popularity may be ebbing with amnesty (an establishment favored policy) is still a win, right?

And from the "Things no one ever said" file....Thank God the establishment led Republicans to control of the House in 2010!

Again, my point isn't that "tea party" has picked perfect candidates, far from it. But let's not pretend "the establishment" is batting a thousand either.

There's a war on for the soul of the GOP and the old and entrenched guard is playing for keeps. Instead of trying to make peace with the various factions in the coalition they are picking fights like this and immigration that will only make things worse. I'm not sure how that's supposed to make things better but these guys live in and around DC so they must know what they are doing. Everyone else should just shut up and get in line. Or something.

Posted by: DrewM. at 11:19 AM



Comments

1 Andrea Tanteros just kicked Rove's tiny balls up into his fat fuck body.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 04, 2013 11:21 AM (bLwWr)

2 Well, it looks like the GOP isn't off to a good start in winning back my vote.



Eat a burger of shit Rove.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 04, 2013 11:22 AM (4c71i)

3 GTFOH Rove.

Posted by: Red Shirt at February 04, 2013 11:22 AM (FIDMq)

4 Sweet, another GOP-affiliated group not to donate to.

Posted by: akula51 at February 04, 2013 11:22 AM (YesJa)

5 The republican party pays lip service to being conservative, but they are only democrat lite.

Posted by: huerfano at February 04, 2013 11:23 AM (bAGA/)

6 To paraphrase Ronaldus Maximus, "I didn't leave the Republican party, the Republican party left me."

“There is a broad concern about having blown a significant number of races because the wrong candidates were selected,” said Steven J. Law, the president of American Crossroads, the “super PAC” creating the new project. “We don’t view ourselves as being in the incumbent protection business, but we want to pick the most conservative candidate who can win.”

There's something warm and wet trickling down my leg, Mr Law, and I know damn well it isn't rain. . .

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 04, 2013 11:23 AM (zF6Iw)

7 "Conservative Victory Project"
I love how names are the exact opposite of what they truly are. I guess it is a project, though.

Posted by: Lynne at February 04, 2013 11:23 AM (lHn6+)

8 You got the farthest during the height of communism in the Soviet Union if you were able to worth within the system.

Posted by: Opus An Arcus at February 04, 2013 11:23 AM (l5p7v)

9 the actions of the establishment republicans in the past year have led many, like myself, to leave the republican party.

Posted by: jd at February 04, 2013 11:24 AM (DGhcv)

10 Good luck winning another national election without us.

Posted by: Major Kong at February 04, 2013 11:24 AM (BFRxI)

11 Related. Good article by Ramesh Ponnuru at the Corner:


http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/339686/senate-and-gop-establishment-ramesh-ponnuru

Posted by: Y-not at February 04, 2013 11:24 AM (5H6zj)

12 or furthest.

Posted by: Opus An Arcus at February 04, 2013 11:24 AM (l5p7v)

13 Sounds eminently sensible.

Posted by: T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII at February 04, 2013 11:24 AM (NF2Bf)

14 Let. It. Burn.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 04, 2013 11:24 AM (GFM2b)

15 but we want to pick the most conservative candidate who can win.”

Sounds like Cave, cave, cave 'til Daddy takes your party away.

Posted by: t-bird at February 04, 2013 11:25 AM (FcR7P)

16 You know, I'd love to meet Law face to face and ask him, "what positions does a 'conservative candidate' have to hold to get your support?" It'd be big laffs, if nothing else.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 04, 2013 11:25 AM (zF6Iw)

17
Well, it looks like the GOP isn't off to a good start in winning back my vote.


Posted by: Burn the Witch




You're still a Republican? How 2012 of you.

Changed my registration to Independent last week and I feel -- cleansed.

If Team Republican wants my vote, earn it.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 04, 2013 11:26 AM (kdS6q)

18 Fool me once, shame on you (McCain)


Fool me twice, shame on me (Rombley)


Fool me three times, I'm as big a loser as you. (Fuck off GOP)

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 04, 2013 11:26 AM (4c71i)

19 I think one of the main reasons many have become disillusioned with the Tea Party was the after the 2010 elections, many were either threatened or co-opted by the establishment (Renee Elmers, anyone?). The electorate swept them into office, but they have no power base with which to resist the likes of Rove and Boehner.

More and more, I think (read, I fucking PRAY) the future belongs to the likes of Ted Cruz. More like him, please.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 04, 2013 11:26 AM (XkWWK)

20 ... but since Super Bowl Sunday is a Holy Day of Obligation in America


This guy.

Posted by: eleven at February 04, 2013 11:26 AM (KXm42)

21 As I said early this morning Karl Rover has personally destroyed the Republican Party and is responsible every loss since Bush. He would have been responsible for Bush losses except for two things. Even shittier Dem candidates and the war.

And I just love this term far-right conservatives


When I hear it the first thing I want to here from the asshole saying it is what is a far-right conservative? I guess in this case it means not a RINO squish.

Posted by: Vic at February 04, 2013 11:26 AM (53z96)

22 >>The republican party pays lip service to being conservative, but they are only democrat lite.

If that's the attitude you have, may as well burn everything and move to New Zealand.

God, I'm sick of this shit day after day after day after day. Fuckin' purists complaining about people who got elected by a greedy, spoiled, entitled electorate actually listening to the desires of that electorate. People who couldn't pick a winning candidate from a field of one actually trying to undermine candidates who will oppose Democrats.

Posted by: Lou at February 04, 2013 11:27 AM (xp1pq)

23 16 You know, I'd love to meet Law face to face and ask him, "what positions does a 'conservative candidate' have to hold to get your support?"
----

If you read Ramesh's article you'd see that he backed Allen West.

Posted by: Y-not at February 04, 2013 11:27 AM (5H6zj)

24 We are still paying for George Bush. Rove can take his little chalkboard and shove it up his fat ass.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 04, 2013 11:27 AM (wbmaj)

25 Frigate XO fired for ‘offensive comments’
By Sam Fellman - Staff writer
Posted : Monday Feb 4, 2013 10:22:19 EST
The second-in-command of a deployed frigate was fired Sunday “because of offensive comments and behavior towards the crew,” reported Naval Surface Forces Pacific.

Cmdr. James “Slim” Pickens, executive officer of the frigate Gary, was “temporarily relieved” by the Destroyer Squadron 1 commodore, Capt. Mike Elliot, SURFPAC said in their Sunday statement.

Shit with a name and nick name "Slim Pickens" I presume he would be a character. I can just imagine what he said?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 04, 2013 11:28 AM (9Bj8R)

26 The problem with Akin wasn't the Tea Party, as you point out, or even that he was supported by any significant group (he was buoyed by Huckabee & co. after the nomination but ignored before).

The problem is that it came down to, essentially 3 candidates. And voting theory tells you that 3 choices is never good.

Candidates #1 and #2 beat up on each other and so the ignored candidate, Akin, benefited.

Ironically, Rove's best move is to move against the establishment candidates. That is, get all but one establishment candidate out of primary races.

As to O'Donnell-type elections, one key is to make sure your candidate doesn't go Lefty before the nomination on issues where the Right's view is actually popular and defensible.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 04, 2013 11:28 AM (T0NGe)

27 Bin Laden is still paying for GWB too.

Posted by: Opus An Arcus at February 04, 2013 11:28 AM (l5p7v)

28 The money and business guys want to call the shots, obviously.

To the finish, then.

Posted by: Hell on the Wabash at February 04, 2013 11:29 AM (9emgC)

29
what is a far-right conservative?
Posted by: Vic



!Scott Brown

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 04, 2013 11:29 AM (kdS6q)

30 “There is a broad concern about having blown a significant number of races because the wrong candidates were selected,”

In other words, "we should be able to take advantage of this broad concern- which we'll promote- to fleece a lot of people, yo!"

Posted by: t-bird at February 04, 2013 11:29 AM (FcR7P)

31 Curse you Republicans and your sudden but inevitable betrayal!

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 04, 2013 11:29 AM (evdj2)

32 You know, I'd love to meet Law face to face and ask him, "what positions does a 'conservative candidate' have to hold to get your support?" It'd be big laffs, if nothing else.

The smart answer is, "The positions don't matter so much as the ability to express them in an appealing manner".

Posted by: AmishDude at February 04, 2013 11:30 AM (T0NGe)

33 "You're still a Republican?"


I thought it was pretty clear that I not. I'm taking the sven approach and voting batshit craziest Democrat from now on out.


Burn baby burn. Fuck this smoldering shit.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 04, 2013 11:30 AM (4c71i)

34 The GOP-E needn't worry - all this talk by GOP conservatives of "taking back the Party" hasn't worked anywise...as I told them it wouldn't back in 2008 when they were reacting to the McCain loss.

Pretty much the only option at this point is to build a new Party made up of conservatives and libertarians, make the case for LIBERTY, rather than just tax cuts, and use this to draw in independents disaffected with the current two parties, as well as the few remaining conservative Dems who are worried about gun control, etc.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at February 04, 2013 11:30 AM (YYJjz)

35 Hey, duh you fat fuck.. The Tea Party movement (at least the sentiment behind the movement) was behind the massive win in 2010.

So, yeah.. let's fracture the party and give the Dems complete control of the House, Senate and White House you dumb shit.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 04, 2013 11:31 AM (f9c2L)

36 The Harrumph Party.

Posted by: zsasz at February 04, 2013 11:31 AM (wWb/B)

37 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 04, 2013 11:31 AM (5DR1j)

38
Let me declare my allegiance right now. F the establishment repubs aka dem conspirators.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 04, 2013 11:32 AM (p/cQy)

39 The left-right paradigm gets me nuts because it allows people to frame the debate by being critical of "extremists on both sides."

There are no extremists on our side. The paradigm is a sliding scale where on one side you have those who believe in liberty, the rule of law, limited government and the civil society and on the other those who believe in ever-increasing government control of society until you get to totalitarian states.

Start framing the issue this way and to hell with left-right-centrism bullshit.

You are either for freedom or you are in favor of tyrants.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 04, 2013 11:32 AM (XkWWK)

40 Hey, Rove. How's that "Permanent Republican Majority" working out for you?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 04, 2013 11:32 AM (5DR1j)

41 What "credible challengers" did they shut out?

Posted by: embittered redleg at February 04, 2013 11:32 AM (Dlvxc)

42 We are still paying for George Bush.

...and every other Republican that ever existed. The MFM is pleased with your assessment. You are like a cat chasing the laser dot.

Posted by: t-bird at February 04, 2013 11:32 AM (FcR7P)

43
I thought it was pretty clear that I not.
Posted by: Burn the Witch



Thou art found good. You may enter the Kingdom....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 04, 2013 11:32 AM (kdS6q)

44 >>The republican party pays lip service to being conservative, but they are only democrat lite.>>>If that's the attitude you have, may as well burn everything and move to New Zealand.

That's the opinion I have. And no, this is my country. I would burn the GOP and send *them* packing. Their continued existence is dependent on OUR goodwill, not the other way 'round. It could be, as you say, they are listening to their contributors and constituents - which is fine. They, as a whole, no longer represent me.

Posted by: Bigby's Empty Hands at February 04, 2013 11:33 AM (3ZtZW)

45 I say we harpoon Karl Rove, render his flesh in giant boiling cauldrons, and use the resultant oil to light our homes

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 04, 2013 11:33 AM (8sCoq)

46 SuperPac !
aka employment insurance for the Beltway Snake Oil Squad.


At least 300 4 year "jobs" saved or created .

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at February 04, 2013 11:33 AM (EZl54)

47 "You're still a Republican?"

I've never really been a Republican. I was a Reagan.

Now I'm just a Hatedemocrats.

It's a big tent. Or so you would think.

Posted by: eleven at February 04, 2013 11:33 AM (KXm42)

48
Also don't forget that dead bastard from PA that gave us Odeathcare.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 04, 2013 11:33 AM (p/cQy)

49 At the Koch Funeral Clinton sounds like an old idiot rambling on?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 04, 2013 11:34 AM (9Bj8R)

50 Karl Rove can shove his whiteboard up his ass.

From The Architect to the tool of the arch enemy in only a few short years.

That's quite an accomplishment.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 11:34 AM (piMMO)

51 Remind me again, who were the appealing tea-party alternatives to Hoekstra, Berg, Mack, Allen, etc? You can't beat a flawed something with (a) an even more-flawed something or (b) nothing. P.S. I'm not including Tommy Thompson in my question because I think there was a decent tea party alternative.

Posted by: buzz at February 04, 2013 11:34 AM (i27M5)

52 Karl is exhibiting alarming symptoms of tone deafness.

Posted by: Decaf at February 04, 2013 11:34 AM (NmvvV)

53 I don't care who anyone likes or doesn't like, but we can't let the Dems control both houses of the congress no matter what

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 04, 2013 11:35 AM (9Bj8R)

54 The only electoral success that the GOP has had in years has been the 2010 Tea Party election.

But Rove wants us to stick with the McCain/Romney runaway train.

Posted by: zsasz at February 04, 2013 11:35 AM (wWb/B)

55 I'm beginning to not trust any of these guys. It's just that I don't trust O'Bumble's gang MORE than I distrust the others.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at February 04, 2013 11:35 AM (71LDo)

56 I'm not a witch.

Posted by: Christine O'Donnell at February 04, 2013 11:35 AM (dskTv)

57
Posted by: Lou at February 04, 2013 11:27 AM (xp1pq)

Heh. We're not going anywhere. And we aren't supporting people who won't fight for fiscal discipline.

So, you republicratsare out in the cold.

Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at February 04, 2013 11:36 AM (1Y+hH)

58 "God, I'm sick of this shit day after day after day after day. Fuckin' purists complaining about people who got elected by a greedy, spoiled, entitled electorate actually listening to the desires of that electorate. People who couldn't pick a winning candidate from a field of one actually trying to undermine candidates who will oppose Democrats."


Posted by: Lou at February 04, 2013 11:27 AM (xp1pq)




This isn't about "purity", asshole, its about survival. I'm not even close to a "purist", but even I can tell that Republican electoral victory is no guarantee against Democratic legislative success.


Do you live under a rock?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 04, 2013 11:36 AM (4c71i)

59 I don't have a problem with this, actually. If those are the candidates you want, then put your money where your mouth is. I find calling it conservative to be utterly hilarious though.


I do feel compelled to issue a gentle reminder to Rove, et al. that attempting to do that thing that you keep saying you won't do in my mouth may result in consequences that you find less than optimal.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 04, 2013 11:36 AM (VtjlW)

60 Oh, you have not?

Posted by: The Majority in the Senate and the White House at February 04, 2013 11:37 AM (F6KtL)

61 Can't wait to hear Hugh Hewitt spin this one.

Posted by: WVinMN at February 04, 2013 11:37 AM (4Pleu)

62 The same thing happened to porno producers in the 80's when they tried to stop VHS…..they lost.
Now the most popular pornos are shot with iPhones.
Same thing will happen to the old guard GOP…they will be left holding their dicks waiting for film to roll.

Posted by: redguy at February 04, 2013 11:37 AM (oKH8p)

63
Just what the GOP needs. More Akins and Murdochs. Good thinking, establishment kooks.
The kook democratleft are all for it, too.

Posted by: Fresh at February 04, 2013 11:37 AM (O7ksG)

64 I continue to be a registered Republican so as to be able to vote in primaries, but have not and will contribute a nickel to the organization until they pull it together.

Posted by: RM at February 04, 2013 11:37 AM (TRsME)

65 I'm watching the Koch Funeral and it is at a "Temple" in NYC???? And no one and I mean N O O N E is wearing a kippah? What the fuck, is it a Temple or a Church? Fucking liberal Jews go to far sometimes

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 04, 2013 11:37 AM (9Bj8R)

66 What "credible challengers" did they shut out?


***

As was pointed out in the post, had this organization been active in 2010, we wouldn't have some of the conservative stars of the party now in office.

It is a danger to the party in that they will seek to squelch future nods to Rand-like or Cruz-like candidates because they don't fit the establishment model.


Moar to the left! Moar to the left!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 11:38 AM (piMMO)

67 Karl also forecasts the imminent return to popularity of 8-tracks.

Posted by: zsasz at February 04, 2013 11:38 AM (wWb/B)

68 Old and Busted: Democrats whining that Karl Rove is a sinister, all-powerful demon out to destroy the country.

New Hotness: Republicans whining that Karl Rove is a sinister, all-powerful demon out to destroy the country.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 04, 2013 11:38 AM (SY2Kh)

69
Kook left + kook establishment GOP = kook democrats win.

Posted by: Fresh at February 04, 2013 11:38 AM (O7ksG)

70 kook!

Posted by: Fresh at February 04, 2013 11:38 AM (O7ksG)

71 Oh wait the Ambassador from Israel is wearing a Kippah.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 04, 2013 11:39 AM (9Bj8R)

72 At the Koch Funeral Clinton sounds like an old idiot rambling on?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 04, 2013 11:34 AM (9Bj8R)


That's the way he's sounded for years if you actually listen to what he says instead of just catching the brief clips the MFM show you. Either that heart attack cutting off oxygen and/or multiple STDs have turned his brain into silly putty good only for keeping his head from imploding. He's as loopy as a shithouse rat.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 04, 2013 11:39 AM (bLwWr)

73

R- bringers of bad news, responsibility and hard choices

D - bringers of good news and goodies

Enter LIVs.


Freedom is long gone.


Beyonce and Honey Boo Boo sold it for champagne and a candy bar.

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at February 04, 2013 11:39 AM (EZl54)

74 At the Koch Funeral Clinton sounds like an old idiot rambling on?

***

Same Clinton, different day

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 11:40 AM (piMMO)

75 is it time to burn the GOP to the ground yet?

Posted by: we are so screwed, deliver us oh SMOD at February 04, 2013 11:40 AM (HEa5q)

76 The GOP either needs to puke up dinosaurs like Rove or die out like them.

Posted by: maddogg at February 04, 2013 11:40 AM (OlN4e)

77 Former terrorists held at the U.S. prison in Guantanamo, Cuba were detected by U.S. intelligence agencies recently working with Islamist rebels in Syria, according to U.S. officials.

The al Qaeda-linked terrorists in Syria are part of a group called the Al Nusrah Front that is fighting alongside the Free Syrian Army (FSA), the rebels opposing the Bashar al-Assad regime in the civil war.

The number and names of the former Guantanamo inmates were not disclosed.

A Pentagon spokesman declined to comment, citing a policy of not discussing intelligence matters on Syria.


Sure release them all. What the fuck

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 04, 2013 11:40 AM (9Bj8R)

78 There are no extremists on our side. The paradigm
is a sliding scale where on one side you have those who believe in
liberty, the rule of law, limited government and the civil society and
on the other those who believe in ever-increasing government control of
society until you get to totalitarian states.


You are either for freedom or you are in favor of tyrants.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton
..............
Yes, there are extremists. The extremist tend to identify as tea party and farther to the right.

The extremists are the SoCons that insist their views be part of the party platform.

If we could stick to smaller government as the party platform, we'd be ok. We don't seem to be able to.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 04, 2013 11:40 AM (f9c2L)

79 Oh wait the Ambassador from Israel is wearing a Kippah.

Smoke me a kippah, I'll be back for breakfast.

Posted by: Ace Rimmer goes kosher at February 04, 2013 11:40 AM (wWb/B)

80 As far as "tea party" goes - let's not forget Marco Rubio.

The GOP "establishment" has decided that the only way to win elections is to be more like the democrat party. So, they want to push conservatism out of the party. It's as simple as that.

The reality is that most of the elected republicans are fine with that. Even ones we would think would be aghast are more inclined to support things that help incumbency. So, people like Toomey, Cruz and even Rubio are going to sign on to this nonsense.

the far left won the battle for the heart of the Democrat party - nobody even pretends otherwise any longer. So, it makes perfect sense that we have this battle on the right - it has been a long time coming and needs to be resolved. If conservatives are not welcome in the GOP - fine, let them make that clear. If they want conservative support - they need to start actually fighting for conservative ideas and principals - which the GOP has almost never done except in lip service.

It is entirely possible for the GOP to win elections by establishing itself as a center-left party a la the British Tories (although the Tories claim to be conservative, I have seen nothing from that party in the last 20 years to indicate it is remotely conservative) and run as being less liberal than the dems. This is what Rove, et al appear to want to do.

The GOP wants to go back to claiming "we can run gov't more efficiently" as the sole selling point (which was really all Romney ran on) rather than any ideological philosophy. Or to put it as an old cliche does - the GOP wants to go back to simply being the Democrats' tax collector.

I understand this inclination among the professional political class. It is much easier to win elections promising people things than trying to explain hard truths to people. And, the professional political class - even amongst the GOP, cares only about winning power. So, it is much more enticing to be able to say "we'll legalize the illegals and make the issue go away" then do what is right for the County.

Posted by: Monkeytoe at February 04, 2013 11:41 AM (sOx93)

81 Why is the power base in Washington so painfully stupid? I am very tired of this crap. It's just sad that these guys insist on walking farther away from the people who are growing more tired of socialism lite every day. They really do exist in a fucking bubble.

Posted by: gigg at February 04, 2013 11:41 AM (41VCE)

82 a Karl Rove candidate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm1Jyusyoqk

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 04, 2013 11:41 AM (8sCoq)

83 65 I'm watching the Koch Funeral and it is at a "Temple" in NYC???? And no one and I mean N O O N E is wearing a kippah? What the fuck, is it a Temple or a Church? Fucking liberal Jews go to far sometimes
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 04, 2013 11:37 AM (9Bj8R)


Momma used to all them "Joo-nitarians." Like the Ochs's, Schlesingers and Sulzbergers.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 04, 2013 11:41 AM (XkWWK)

84 The extremists are the SoCons that insist their views be part of the party platform.

Good luck winning without them, prick.

Posted by: GMan at February 04, 2013 11:41 AM (sxq57)

85 Alinsky baby....Alinsky!

We play no-hold-barred politics, or we lose.

It's as simple as that.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 04, 2013 11:41 AM (GsoHv)

86 If conservatives had listened to their betters we wouldn't have Mike
Lee, Ted Cruz, Rand Paul or Pat Toomey in the Senate at the moment.
There's also Marco Rubio, who was already a career politician when he
ran against establishment favorite Charlie Crist and whose popularity
may be ebbing with amnesty (an establishment favored policy) is still a
win, right?


thank you for adding this point.
it seems to be missing from many previous similar arguments.

Posted by: ette at February 04, 2013 11:41 AM (nqBYe)

87 The enemy of my enemy is my enemy.

Posted by: Karl Rove, the Art of Sore at February 04, 2013 11:41 AM (4c71i)

88 The "old guard" (Rove et al) are in desperation mode and see the TEA Party threatening their firm hold on permanent minority status where they can keep on looting and going to the very best DC parties, but not really have actual responsibility for anything the Government does.


RINO Rule #1: "Don't rock the boat!"


RINO Rule #2: "Piss on the base!"


RINO Rule #3: "Profit!"

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 04, 2013 11:41 AM (Cnqmv)

89
Vilification of the tea party, the only honest brokers out there, is playing right into the radical democrat prog kook-left's hands.
Good thinking, Karl.


Posted by: Fresh at February 04, 2013 11:42 AM (O7ksG)

90 >>Do you live under a rock?

No, I don't live under a rock. I just watched a national electorate, facing 8% unemployment and a shitty economy, re-elect the guy who promised them more money over the guy who promised them jobs.

I watched senatorial candidates in states nowhere near Missouri and Indiana being asked about "legitimate rape," or witchcraft two years prior.

I watched a generation of young people vote overwhelmingly, unemployed from their parents' basement, for the guy who was promising fake equality for 3.4% of the population, to be imposed upon the other 96.6%.

This country is in deep shit. And hardcore conservatism does not sell well right now. Which is why I'm really pissed off when people demand that their terrible salesmen do the job, and knee-jerk oppose efforts to rid the movement of laughingstock fuckups.

Posted by: Lou at February 04, 2013 11:42 AM (xp1pq)

91
"Conservative Victory Project"
I love how names are the exact opposite of what they truly are. I guess it is a project, though.


Rove joins the Dark Side as he agrees to twist the language to aid in his lust for power. He's no better than AxelPrick now.

Further proof, as if we needed any, that everything is backwards.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 04, 2013 11:42 AM (+z4pE)

92 I learned something new from a sports broadcaster yesterday during the Super Bowl.

Ray Lewis was acquitted!!!!!

I didn't know that. I change my mind. He's not an unrepentant accessory to double murder. HE was ACQUITTED!!!!

Thank you, Jim Nantz, for setting me straight.

I guess I've been wrong all these years.

Posted by: © Sponge at February 04, 2013 11:42 AM (xmcEQ)

93 FIFY

Conservative RINO Victory Project

Posted by: Hand Solo at February 04, 2013 11:42 AM (9/kKc)

94 The Harrumph Party.

Somebody give Mr. Rove his "harrumph!"

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 04, 2013 11:43 AM (zF6Iw)

95 @84

Ah, it's just Jerry.

He lives in blue hell. Caving to libs keeps him alive.

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at February 04, 2013 11:43 AM (EZl54)

96 somebody tell this heathen gentile what a kippa is

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 04, 2013 11:43 AM (8sCoq)

97 There's a war on for the soul of the GOP and the old and entrenched guard is playing for keeps.

----

Good. Let's have the war. This has been raging for a long time. Many tea partiers/conservatives held their nose for Mitt/McCain, partly because we didn't have our own great nominee, but also against the common enemy in Barack Obama.

Posted by: SH at February 04, 2013 11:43 AM (gmeXX)

98 Smoke me a kippah, I'll be back for breakfast.

Posted by: Ace Rimmer goes kosher at February 04, 2013 11:40 AM (wWb/B)Rimmer you schmeg. Holly says we're approaching light speed.

Posted by: Monkeytoe at February 04, 2013 11:43 AM (sOx93)

99 People who couldn't pick a winning candidate from a field of one actually trying to undermine candidates who will oppose Democrats.
Posted by: Lou at February 04, 2013 11:27 AM (xp1pq)



Please set out for me what the GOP is doing to oppose Democrats. I am absolutely certain that you will be able to provide for me a list of actual accomplishments by the GOP within the last 120 days which are in opposition to the Democrats. By all means, enlighten us.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 04, 2013 11:43 AM (VtjlW)

100 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jzMw9ezE3I&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Posted by: Hell on the Wabash at February 04, 2013 11:43 AM (9emgC)

101 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 04, 2013 11:41 AM (GsoHv)

Where is "our" anti-Alinsky, or reverse-Cloward-Pivin? That's what Rove should be promoting!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 04, 2013 11:43 AM (Cnqmv)

102 arrrrgh I hate formatting on this site. hopefully italics off.

Posted by: Monkeytoe at February 04, 2013 11:44 AM (sOx93)

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 04, 2013 11:44 AM (Cnqmv)

104
I don't mind the Roves and Noonans putting up a candidate during the primaries. Let them make their case why they want a Mike Castle in the senate as opposed to O'Donnell.

However, once someone wins the primary, it's time to support that candidate no matter which side won.

Some people just can't get that through their head.

Posted by: jwest at February 04, 2013 11:44 AM (ZDsRL)

105 If they foist turds on us, I'm doing write-ins.

Mickey Mouse all the way.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 04, 2013 11:44 AM (xAtAj)

106 The Tea Partiers are the ones that go door to door, man the phones, pound in the signs. He had forgotten that. While working at our county GOP I don't recall one worker that did not consider themselves Tea Party. I don't think we will have to wonder about a third party. Dipshits like Rove are busy creating one for us.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 11:44 AM (l86i3)

107 Hey I hear hagel is gonna dance on Koch's grave?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 04, 2013 11:45 AM (9Bj8R)

108 Shit with a name and nick name "Slim Pickens" I presume he would be a character. I can just imagine what he said?

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Probably something about people "dancin' around like a bunch of Kansas City faggots."

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 04, 2013 11:45 AM (e0xKF)

109
The extremists are the SoCons that insist their views be part of the party platform.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry




"Oh, wicked, bad, naughty Zoot!"

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 04, 2013 11:45 AM (kdS6q)

110 I guess to Rove having tea party as help in the fight against the progressive left is worse than having the Left at the wheel .

nice to know.

Posted by: ette at February 04, 2013 11:45 AM (nqBYe)

111 I know it's useless to point out to you fools that Mourdock had won a statewide office twice and Dick Lugar was TFG's favorite Republican....


Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry

Nothing wrong with licking the hands that beat you, but can you do it somewhere else?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 04, 2013 11:45 AM (ZKzrr)

112 So, the same donor group that closed ranks behind Mitt Romney and helped
shut out credible challengers has decided that fresh off that success,
they are ready to pick candidates for the Senate.


Credible challengers? Plural?

You still clinging to the idea that Newt was remotely credible and not on a glorified book tour, Drew?


Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 04, 2013 11:45 AM (SY2Kh)

113 I say that because i voted Republican whether it was a tea party pick or a Rove pick in the last 2 elections,
nice to see same support ain't happening from our betters.

Posted by: ette at February 04, 2013 11:46 AM (nqBYe)

114 "dancin' around like a bunch of Kansas City faggots."

Best movie line ever.

Posted by: gigg at February 04, 2013 11:46 AM (41VCE)

115 However, once someone wins the primary, it's time to support that candidate no matter which side won.

Some people just can't get that through their head.

****

I will never get over the folks who sat out rather than voting for Romney.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 11:46 AM (piMMO)

116 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 04, 2013 11:43 AM (VtjlW)


There should be a massive outpouring of real substative Republican actions that will overwhem this blog. Starting in ...

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 04, 2013 11:46 AM (Cnqmv)

117 Rove's out for the Big Gummint Republicans.

He's in line at the teat.

Posted by: zsasz at February 04, 2013 11:46 AM (wWb/B)

118 Karl Rove, the guy that was wandering around the halls of Fox News on election night scratching his head about Ohio?

Pasture>put>Rove

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at February 04, 2013 11:46 AM (feFL6)

119 Rove probably sees the TEA Party as amateurs, in the same way 'real journalists' look down their noses at bloggers

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 04, 2013 11:46 AM (8sCoq)

120 >>>Fuckin' purists complaining

Medicare Part D. It would be nice if our side didn't do sh*t like that. Not rolling back the CRA. It would be nice if our side at least took perfunctory steps to prevent the American faceplant.

Ultimately the decisions on who to run are going to get tougher not easier. As we edge closer to disaster, it will take increasingly more extreme policies to avert then make candidates even more repugnant to middle voters as a result. We could do a go along to get along with squishy candidates but what is the point then? Slow things down? Screw that noise, either we play to reverse the damage or we go home and enjoy our lives because I'm not here because I enjoy politics. I want to least give the US an honest option.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 04, 2013 11:46 AM (0q2P7)

121 Posted by: Hrothgar at February 04, 2013 11:43 AM (Cnqmv)

No, I mean that we should embrace Alinsky's tactics to combat not only the left, but the inside-the-beltway assholes who have done nothing to arrest the slide into the toilet.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 04, 2013 11:47 AM (GsoHv)

122 The problem is money: The establishment has the big fundraisers in their camp and the Tea Party and its sympathizers can't bring that kind of cash to the table. Come up with the dough and people will start paying more attention to you.

Posted by: joncelli at February 04, 2013 11:48 AM (RD7QR)

123 "But we can't split the Republican vote with a third party!!!! All we'll do is ensure the Democrats win!!!!11!!"

Newsflash pumpkin: There already is a third-party. There are the Democrat, the Republican Liberal and the Republican Conservative parties today in America.

Sooner we realize the Republican Party really is two parties completely at odds, the better.

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 04, 2013 11:48 AM (VjL9S)

124 remember a lot of tea party candidates don't hire the right consults and agencies and shit like that has a negative effect on Rove's gravy train.

Posted by: we are so screwed, deliver us oh SMOD at February 04, 2013 11:48 AM (HEa5q)

125 I didn't do it! I'm not going in the barrel!

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 04, 2013 11:48 AM (VtjlW)

126 "Yes, there are extremists. The extremist tend to identify as tea party and farther to the right.


The extremists are the SoCons that insist their views be part of the party platform.


If we could stick to smaller government as the party platform, we'd be ok. We don't seem to be able to.


Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 04, 2013 11:40 AM (f9c2L)"



This is what is commonly referred to as "complete bullshit". Here's a homework assignment for ya - first, list all the "small gov't party" types in the GOP, then for extra credit, list their successful efforts to achieve that.


But you keep on spouting that MFM meme about SoCons being the problem. Looks like you've lapped it up like a good little dog.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 04, 2013 11:48 AM (4c71i)

127 54 Posted by: zsasz at February 04, 2013 11:35 AM (wWb/B) --------- That is not true. Didn't Bush pick up seats during off-year(s) election(s)?

Posted by: Baldy at February 04, 2013 11:48 AM (opS9C)

128 Engage the reality distortion field generators Mr Scott!

Posted by: James Tiberious Kirk at February 04, 2013 11:48 AM (J6hHs)

129 It is a danger to the party in that they will seek to squelch future nods to Rand-like or Cruz-like candidates because they don't fit the establishment model.

I believe Sarah Palin has over a million dollars in her war chest which she could use to counter this action.

If Karl was really smart he would join forces with her, pitch that big tent instead of burning the campground.

Posted by: Decaf at February 04, 2013 11:48 AM (NmvvV)

130 How about going for the best candidate, regardless of whether he/she is "Tea Party" or "Establishment"? Surely we can all objectively assess whether a given candidate has the right stuff? Oh, wait, we got behind Sharron Angle, Christine O'Donnell, and Joe Miller. Never mind.

Posted by: doomed at February 04, 2013 11:48 AM (x9s9/)

131
You still clinging to the idea that Newt was remotely credible....
Posted by: Hollowpoint




Name a state that Romney won that Newt would have lost.

And -- go!

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 04, 2013 11:49 AM (kdS6q)

132
We're poised to win Florida and Virginia on election night

Posted by: Karl Rove at February 04, 2013 11:49 AM (F6KtL)

133 I don't mind the Roves and Noonans putting up a candidate during the
primaries. Let them make their case why they want a Mike Castle in the
senate as opposed to O'Donnell.


Let me make it simple for you: One choice was likely to happen, while the other choice was impossible.

It's like asking someone why they'd rather have lasagna for dinner as opposed to unicorn steak.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 04, 2013 11:49 AM (SY2Kh)

134 The Republican Establishment: The slightly slower statists (tm).

Posted by: Farmer Joe at February 04, 2013 11:50 AM (HJsDx)

135 Oh Noes!! The evil establishment is protecting their turf. Why don't they just roll over like they should. I thought if they were called names enough and it was pointed out that their backroom conspiracies select our candidates they would be reasonable and see the light. That they dare to push their philosophy on us instead of accepting ours is ridiculous. Yes , Rove and Nordlinger supported Cruz while Perry supported Dewhurst but that's just an exception.

Posted by: polynikes channeling cognitive dissonant monkey at February 04, 2013 11:50 AM (m2CN7)

136 >I believe Sarah Palin has over a million dollars in her war chest which she could use to counter this action.


I'm sorry... all I got was 'Sarah Palin' and 'her chest'

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 04, 2013 11:50 AM (8sCoq)

137 A little intra-party competition isn't really a bad thing. Hopefully it leads to the best possible candidate. Though, I'm much more impressed with the "Tea PartyWin" than the establishment. The future of the party are really from the Tea Party Side. Its up to us to make sure they stay there, because the pressure will be on by the establishment to co-opt them.

Posted by: SH at February 04, 2013 11:51 AM (gmeXX)

138 There's a saying that goes something like this, it's better to be the king of a hamlet than a pauper in the city. We could use some honor like Rob E. Lee demonstrated, that if they really cared for their country or party's viability as a national party, they would recognize that much of conservatism has moved on - perhaps rightward but also perhaps has stayed still while they moved leftward. It's a dumb strategy to compete with the Democrats for their own votes but in the interest of remaining in control they'll effectively do that.

On the other hand, we definitely need a strong new Right movement that eschews conspiracy theories. If we can get an official and strong repudiation of the belief in conspiracies such as 9/11 'truth' coming from the so-called far Right, the tinfoil hat epithet will become a thing of history.

I think that means there needs to be a little more maturity on our side of things too.

Posted by: RiverC at February 04, 2013 11:51 AM (El+h4)

139 >>>Credible challengers? Plural?

>>>You still clinging to the idea that Newt was remotely credible and not on a glorified book tour, Drew?


Heh. Guess what HP Romney lost. I don't think we would have done worse with Tpaw, or Perry. I laugh at the stubborn attitude that he was the best choice when he lost.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 04, 2013 11:51 AM (0q2P7)

140 these same people opposed Ted Cruz, vigorously.

The only pub with balls.

Posted by: thunderb at February 04, 2013 11:51 AM (Dnbau)

141
There is also value to putting a head on a pike from time to time. I believe that Mike Castle needed to go down, even if it was O'Donnell that had to do it. Angle, on the other hand was not as desirable as the Armenian she ran against.

How do we get Rove's head on a pike? He's Mr. Compassionate Conservative, and his triangulating for Bush has stunk up the GOP brand for some time.

Posted by: Minuteman at February 04, 2013 11:51 AM (oBhqA)

142
I remember Rush talking about this last year. He mentioned that the GOP had no interest in reducing the size, expense, or intrusiveness of the Washington Beast, they want to run it.

We are so screwed it isn't funny.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 04, 2013 11:51 AM (+z4pE)

143 Let me make it simple for you: One choice was likely to happen, while the other choice was impossible.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 04, 2013 11:49 AM (SY2Kh)

Let's make it even simpler for you: The voters didn't find Castle's case convincing, case closed.

Can't win over your voters, you don't win, period.

Posted by: KG at February 04, 2013 11:52 AM (p7BzH)

144 Rove did such a great job this last time, I say we roll the dice and give him another chance. After all, what could go wrong with a seasoned political consultant at the Republican helm using his interlocking political media frims and family members as trusted advisors!

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 04, 2013 11:52 AM (Cnqmv)

145 Why is the power base in Washington so painfully stupid? I am very tired of this crap. It's just sad that these guys insist on walking farther away from the people who are growing more tired of socialism lite every day. They really do exist in a fucking bubble. Posted by: gigg at February 04, 2013 11:41 AM (41VCE)Gigg, they aren't stupid. They are doing exactly what they want to do.I left the party in 2007 but kept right on voting for R's. I pushed against the purity movement and supported Romney.The establishmentideadidn't work and I don't think it can work. It's making things worse. I'm taking a longer view now.

Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at February 04, 2013 11:52 AM (1Y+hH)

146 Name a state that Romney won that Newt would have lost.

And -- go!


List the states that Romney won. Cross out all but the six most deeply red states, and you'll have your answer.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 04, 2013 11:52 AM (SY2Kh)

147 The republican party pays lip service to being conservative, but they are only democrat lite.
Posted by: huerfano at February 04, 2013 11:23 AM (bAGA/)

Rove is not the GOP. He represents the Tory/Whig faction of the GOP, that part of the party that promises to be, paraphrasing Mark Steyn, 'the more fiscally responsible managers of the welfare state'. It isn't surprising that he and his Establishment pals would want to pick a fight with the conservative, Tea Party-minded base prior to the 2014 mid-terms. What is surprising is that it never occurred to Rove and his friends that the conservative side of the GOP might have candidates worth running and ideas worth developing. As it is, he and his like-minded colleagues are always so occupied with chasing the middle rather than bringing the middle to us. They're too Washington-centric to understand that conservative ideas sell. Democrat Lite doesn't.

We knew this fight was coming. On the good side, candidates will emerge in local, state and national primaries representing each side of the debate. I'm confident our side--the side promoting conservative first principles--will win.

Posted by: troyriser at February 04, 2013 11:52 AM (vtiE6)

148 Moo.

Posted by: Stupid cow, eating grass at February 04, 2013 11:52 AM (i7B17)

149 Good luck winning without them, prick.


Posted by: GMan
...........
No, we cannot win without them.

And I don't know why I'm a prick for wanting a party with secular values. I want a party that can shrink this bloated beast we call a government.

If SoCons don't want that as well, well then fuck 'em. We'll all sink together.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 04, 2013 11:52 AM (f9c2L)

150 You still clinging to the idea that Newt was remotely credible....
Posted by: Hollowpoint


I know, right?

Posted by: Allen West at February 04, 2013 11:53 AM (EZl54)

151 Owww! Rove needs to back off me! He's been hogging the line for the past ten years and suckin me dry

Posted by: The Government Tit at February 04, 2013 11:53 AM (F6KtL)

152
We need more Marco Rubios and Ron Johnsons and less Tommy Thompsons.

Posted by: Fresh at February 04, 2013 11:53 AM (O7ksG)

153 Good for Rove, I'm done with retard candidates throwing away easy wins.

My concern with "Tea Party" candidates is not ideological, it's that usually they aren't ready for Prime Time and simply can't win elections.
These conservatives that only have "activist" on their resume, and wake up one day and decide they want to be Governor or Senator. It's like a kid right out of college saying he wants to be CEO as soon as he graduates. How about winning a city council race first? You have to work your way up to those roles, bumper sticker slogans aren't enough.

Also, SoCon idiocy is almost always what sinks these candidates. The original "Tea Party" was a movement exclusively focused of fiscal issues, and social conservatives decided to take it over because it had been a while since they had screwed up the GOP with the focus on National Security for so long.

I've yet to see a true Tea Party candidate lose a winnable election because they were too outside the mainstream on spending or tax issues.

Posted by: McAdams at February 04, 2013 11:53 AM (b+B3L)

154
I welcome the competition in the GOP to give us the best possible candidates.

Posted by: perdogg at February 04, 2013 11:54 AM (CdTx1)

155 We need to stop supporting bubbling old careless idiots.

Posted by: Fresh at February 04, 2013 11:54 AM (O7ksG)

156 This country is in deep shit. And hardcore
conservatism does not sell well right now. Which is why I'm really
pissed off when people demand that their terrible salesmen do the job,
and knee-jerk oppose efforts to rid the movement of laughingstock
fuckups.


Posted by: Lou at February 04, 2013 11:42 AM (xp1pq)

The problem with this analysis is that it is factually inaccurate. First, the tea party has won about as many races as lost - which is also true of the GOP in general - so claiming that the "tea party" is responsible for various losses is silly. Pretending that Romney ran as a hardcore conservative is laughable.Yes, there is something to be said for weeding out some of the worse candidates - but let's not forget that both Akin and Mourdock were career politicians and won in legitimately contested primaries. They were not picked off the street candidates. Yes their gaffes were idiotic, but impossible to foresee. Perhaps Christine O'Donnell was a huge mistake - but let's also not forget what led people to vote for her in the primary - it was based on years of getting pissed on by the GOP. The GOP brings this type of thing on itself by pissing on its base. And, despite what some try to claim, the base is conservatives - not "moderates" or anything else.
The GOP lost to Obama because the establishment ran a lousy campaign and because the establishment failed completely to produce a decent GOTV effort. Neither of those have much to do with "hardcore conservatism".The GOP establishment's default setting is to be more like dems and fight conservatives. That is what causes the problem - not conservative's efforts to get the party to actually fight for things that are actually in the party platform every single time.
This is not to say that we can only back the absolute most extreme conservative out there - almost no conservative at this site or any other conservative site says that (a few always do, but so what?). We all understand that it is the most conservative electable candidate. The argument is over what that means. The GOP establishment thinks that means running a center-left hack in a deep red state rather than a deep red candidate in a deep red state. That is the problem.

Posted by: Monkeytoe at February 04, 2013 11:54 AM (sOx93)

157 MOAR TO THE RIGHT!

Posted by: shit lefties never say at February 04, 2013 11:54 AM (EZl54)

158 "This country is in deep shit. And hardcore conservatism does not sell well right now. Which is why I'm really pissed off when people demand that their terrible salesmen do the job, and knee-jerk oppose efforts to rid the movement of laughingstock fuckups.


Posted by: Lou at February 04, 2013 11:42 AM (xp1pq)"



"Hardcore conservatism"? What the fuck is that? Trying to be fiscally responsible? Saying "Stop the madness!!!" is hardcore?? You can keep trying to play subtle political gamesmanship all you want, but reality is knocking really fucking hard at the door right now.


Honestly, the number of people who are ostensibly on the right, who buy off on utter bullshit peddled by the media is yet another reason the GOP is completely FUCKED electorally.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 04, 2013 11:54 AM (4c71i)

159 The fact that so many still support Palin is proof that the Republicans are just too dumb to win nationally. I mean, I was excited when she was picked for VP, I gave money, I ate up her Convention speech. But come on. She didn't deserve what the media/libs did to her, but you have to admit that she's simplynot Presidential material. She talks in circles. She's just not that bright. I don't understand why so many of you can't justmove on.

Posted by: doomed at February 04, 2013 11:54 AM (x9s9/)

160 I'm sorry... all I got was 'Sarah Palin' and 'her chest'

Palin / Cheney 2016: The War Chest and The War Cock.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 04, 2013 11:54 AM (zF6Iw)

161 these same people opposed Ted Cruz, vigorously. The only pub with balls.
Posted by: thunderb at February 04, 2013 11:51 AM (Dnbau)

Untrue.

Posted by: polynikes channeling cognitive dissonant monkey at February 04, 2013 11:55 AM (m2CN7)

162 140 these same people opposed Ted Cruz, vigorously.

The only pub with balls.

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They tend to find the "establishment" pick and go in hard behind them, whether it be a party hack like Dewhurst or a total fucking slimeball like that Oompa Loompa, Crist.

I could live with that if the party's picks were worth a shit more often. Some of the people they try to put up for an open seat, and some of the sitting politicians they put a lot of resources into retaining, are the kinds of snakes in the grass who will end up biting you, like candidate Crist or Senators Snowe, Linc Chafee, etc.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 04, 2013 11:55 AM (e0xKF)

163 None of our problems can be fixed until the States take their powers back.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 04, 2013 11:55 AM (81UWZ)

164 I've yet to see a true Tea Party candidate lose a winnable election because they were too outside the mainstream on spending or tax issues.
Posted by: McAdams at February 04, 2013 11:53 AM (b+B3L)


I know what you mean, thank God for old experianced pros like McCain and Romney.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 11:55 AM (l86i3)

165 I wasn't a witch or a viable candidate for Senate

Posted by: Christine O'Donnell at February 04, 2013 11:56 AM (F6KtL)

166
Let me make it simple for you: One choice was likely to happen, while the other choice was impossible.

Yeah, just like Crist was the smart choice and Rubio was the Tea Party long shot.

Either way, the rule stays. Whoever wins the primary gets the full support of everyone on our side. No whining like a little bitch.

Posted by: jwest at February 04, 2013 11:56 AM (ZDsRL)

167
I love the New York Times, cuz it's got all the news that's fit to print!

Posted by: Carlos Slim Pickens at February 04, 2013 11:56 AM (i7B17)

168 "Oh, wicked, bad, naughty Zoot!"


Do go on. By all means.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 04, 2013 11:56 AM (GFM2b)

169 The only pub with balls.

****

Pardon?!

Posted by: Rand Paul and Trey Gowdy at February 04, 2013 11:57 AM (piMMO)

170 I wasn't a witch or a viable candidate for Senate
Posted by: Christine O'Donnell at February 04, 2013 11:56 AM (F6KtL)

I know, love you anyway honey, at least I know you would not have voted lock step with Obama.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 11:57 AM (l86i3)

171 O/T LOL

Just heard Jesse Jackson say an "assault rifle" can shoot down an airplane.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 04, 2013 11:57 AM (UOM48)

172 And I don't know why I'm a prick for wanting a party with secular values. I want a party that can shrink this bloated beast we call a government.

--

Chi-town, I think you are wrong, but that is just my opinion. You may be one of the few who truly consider themselves a socially liberall fiscally conservative voter and looking for someone to follow. I know a lot of people say that is who they are. But in my experience, when you start talking to those people, they never want to cut education funding, they never want to touch entitlements, they think Planned Parenthood should be funded. In other words, they are no where near as fiscally conservative as they claim to be.

Now, I'm sure you are sincere, and no doubt there are many more out there like you. But what I am no sure of is there are enough of you to ever pass legislation or to get someone elected.

Posted by: SH at February 04, 2013 11:57 AM (gmeXX)

173 167
I love the New York Times, cuz it's got all the news that's fit to print!

---

Our source was the New York Times!

Posted by: Soviet Ambassador Alexei de Sadeski at February 04, 2013 11:57 AM (e0xKF)

174 RINO "thinking":
If a Tea Party candidate loses it's because theye were too extreme an unellectable.
If an establishment pick loses, it's because of those darned extremist Tea Party candidates.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 04, 2013 11:58 AM (uhftQ)

175 I, for one, embrace our new establishment overlords.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at February 04, 2013 11:58 AM (gA69l)

176 I cannot help but notice all of the pressure is always on the 'Tea Party' (which is actually short hand for the Conservative wing) to compromise and shut up; no one ever pressures the moderate establishment to make some accommodation with the conservative grassroots.

Posted by: Hillary at February 04, 2013 11:58 AM (QXlbZ)

177 Just heard Jesse Jackson say an "assault rifle" can shoot down an airplane.

---

Someone distract Jesse. Tell him that Starbucks isn't hiring enough black baristas.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 04, 2013 11:58 AM (e0xKF)

178
So, which hill do we die on now?

Posted by: My GF has big boobies at February 04, 2013 11:58 AM (F6KtL)

179 Let's make it even simpler for you: The voters didn't find Castle's case convincing, case closed.



Can't win over your voters, you don't win, period.


Primary voters are not representative of general election voters, especially in a blue state. You can win 100% of the primary vote, and still lose by 20 points in the general.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 04, 2013 11:58 AM (SY2Kh)

180 >Just heard Jesse Jackson say an "assault rifle" can shoot down an airplane.



only in a Bruce Willis movie

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 04, 2013 11:59 AM (8sCoq)

181 chi-town.

You're a prick because you keep insisting that people who don't line up to exactly what you want (those evil so-cons) be the ones to give up their beliefs. It's *always* those evil so-cons, so, you know what, screw you.

You're just as much a purist as anyone, but are too hypocritical to realize it.


Posted by: GMan at February 04, 2013 11:59 AM (sxq57)

182 >>>Also, SoCon idiocy is almost always what sinks these candidates.

Angle , lost because of SoCon Issues?
Joe Miller lost because of SoCon issues?


Pretty much you are bringing up the singular example of COD and running with it as a case in point when COD had a lot of flaws. It's not nor has it been the case that tea party candidates have made social issues big parts of their platform.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 04, 2013 11:59 AM (0q2P7)

183 As someone pointed out on Acebook, social liberalism is how Government programs got so big and bloated in the first place. Making sure people can make bad choices without personal consequences is an expensive proposition.

Posted by: Hillary at February 04, 2013 11:59 AM (QXlbZ)

184 She's just not that bright. I don't understand why so many of you can't justmove on.

Skeeter, Joey Choo-Choo, Cankles, Lurch, Hairy Reed, Pelosi, Boxer, Fineswine...
Your point?

Posted by: rickb223 at February 04, 2013 12:00 PM (GFM2b)

185 Locally, the Tea Party is starting to make things difficult for the GOP establishment. One of the biggest races in Tuesday’s Texas primary pits four Republicans seeking their party's nomination for the Senate seat being vacated by Kay Bailey Hutchison. Ted Cruz, a Tea Partier, is looking to upset Texas Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst, who was until recently seen as all but certain to fill the seat.
The newest polls show Dewhurst pulling ahead, but not by a majority. That could mean a run-off election later in the summer. A Cruz victory would also be another win for a Tea Party insurgent against an established Republican ... which may be ominous in the wider general election

from last summer

Posted by: thunderb at February 04, 2013 12:00 PM (Dnbau)

186 It's eleven people being recycled every year. And now Rubio comes into the Gaggle of 8 in his Boy Scout uniform and they pin a big "I have 2 pubic hairs" sign on his back.

Rubio wants to be president. That's all he wants. That's all anyone wants when they run. Look at FROTUS. He doesn't do the work. He just is president. And a shitty one at that.

You vote every 4 years and you get shit.

But you could vote with your money every day. You could vote with your attention every day.

I'm no genius. Hell, I may even be mildly retarded. But I know that government has crossed the line, and they're not coming back. You're vote means absolutely nothing.

But if an organization like the TEA Party ever changed their direction from politics to economic manipulation, you would see real change. Imagine 3 million letters written simultaneously to GM to the effect of "heard you advertise on MSNBC where they constantly defame capitalism and prop up socialism along with this business killing president. You are off my list of suppliers. Fuck you and your subsidized scrap."

Posted by: Opus An Arcus at February 04, 2013 12:00 PM (l5p7v)

187
These are the same assholes that backed Dewhurst over Ted Cruz during the primaries.
Nuff said.

Posted by: drowningpuppies at February 04, 2013 12:00 PM (012vu)

188 >So, which hill do we die on now?



The hill I want to die on is called 'the Upton mounds'

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 04, 2013 12:00 PM (8sCoq)

189 Doesn't matter. I'm the next Prez.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at February 04, 2013 12:00 PM (F6KtL)

190 Newt's radio ads here in North Carolina sounded like some Occupiers Screed. Hate the rich, Romney is a fat cat, populist bullshit. Lost a measure of respect for him over that.

Posted by: lincolntf at February 04, 2013 12:00 PM (ZshNr)

191 "Let them make their case why they want a Mike Castle in the senate as opposed to O'Donnell.Let me make it simple for you: One choice was likely to happen, while the other choice was impossible."

Since Mike Castle got his marching orders the Maine sisters stopped hearing history calling. They've been much more Republican lately. Ironically it was Scott Brown who got shafted in spite of his pandering.

Posted by: Decaf at February 04, 2013 12:01 PM (NmvvV)

192 Primary voters are not representative of general election voters, especially in a blue state. You can win 100% of the primary vote, and still lose by 20 points in the general.

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If you're a state-wide elected official who had been in place for over a decade, like Castle, you should be able to beat a fly-by-night candidate like O'Donnell without a problem.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 04, 2013 12:01 PM (e0xKF)

193 "Posted by: McAdams at February 04, 2013 11:53 AM (b+B3L)"


There are simply two words that destroy the terrible premise of your entire argument. Two words:


Mitt Fucking Romney

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 04, 2013 12:01 PM (4c71i)

194 >Just heard Jesse Jackson say an "assault rifle" can shoot down an airplane.>>

I'm willing to test his theory. I get an A10 and he gets an assault rifle.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 04, 2013 12:01 PM (81UWZ)

195 Just heard Jesse Jackson say an "assault rifle" can shoot down an airplane.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 04, 2013 11:57 AM (UOM4

Well, if you torture the definition he is correct. A rifled-barrel anti-aircraft gun is an assault rifle of sorts.

Or something like that.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 04, 2013 12:01 PM (GsoHv)

196 They might want to disavow it now, but for all intents and purposes Akin WAS "The Establishment" candidate in the Missouri primary. He was a Congresscritter who was "due" for a promotion, just like our buddy Roy Blunt.

But then, didn't Ace say there was no such thing as a Republican Establishment?

Someone forgot to tell Rove.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 04, 2013 12:01 PM (TOk1P)

197
only in a Bruce Willis movie


Posted by: Jones in CO at February 04, 2013 11:59 AM (8sCoq)


Live free or die by assault rifle.

It's the new SAAR (Surface to Air Assault Rifle) by RonCo.

Posted by: © Sponge at February 04, 2013 12:02 PM (xmcEQ)

198 It's not a question of ideology. It is a question of competency. Sadly, the GOP across the board is lacking in it.

Posted by: The Political Hat at February 04, 2013 12:02 PM (Vk2pI)

199 @165
I wasn't a witch or a viable candidate for Senate

Posted by: Christine O'Donnell at February 04, 2013 11:56 AM (F6KtL)


meanwhile back at the ranch--

Hillary "Benghazi Makes My Head Hurt" Clinton prepares for massive presidential campaign 16 year tyrannical dictatorship.

LIVs drink it up like chocolate milk.

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at February 04, 2013 12:02 PM (EZl54)

200 Since Mike Castle got his marching orders the Maine sisters stopped hearing history calling. They've been much more Republican lately. Ironically it was Scott Brown who got shafted in spite of his pandering.

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Snowe took her ball and went home after Specter bolted and Castle lost to O'Donnell.

Losing her seat to a nominal independent in King isn't much of a loss considering how often she voted with the Dems when it counted.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 04, 2013 12:03 PM (e0xKF)

201 The hill I want to die on is called 'the Upton mounds'

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 04, 2013 12:00 PM (8sCoq)

Next to Decker Valley.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 04, 2013 12:03 PM (GsoHv)

202 I will never get over the folks who sat out rather than voting for Romney.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 11:46 AM (piMMO)

Is this meant as parody? Conservatives, by and large, did not sit out. The people who didn't get to the polls were the mushy middle people who have to be dragged their by a get-out-the-vote machine or else they don't vote. These were the type of people the flip-flopping, ideologically malleable Romney was supposed to appeal to the most.
Also, how do you ensure paragraph breaks in comments? do I have to do a [ p ] each time? it's annoying. It shows up as a paragraph break - but then when I post it is one long paragraph.

Posted by: Monkeytoe at February 04, 2013 12:03 PM (sOx93)

203 O/T LOL

Just heard Jesse Jackson say an "assault rifle" can shoot down an airplane.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 04, 2013 11:57 AM (UOM4



Is it being shot inside the plane? Because I can see that having some unfortunate side effects.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 04, 2013 12:03 PM (VtjlW)

204 Now, I'm sure you are sincere, and no doubt there
are many more out there like you. But what I am no sure of is there are
enough of you to ever pass legislation or to get someone elected.

Posted by: SH
........
But I am not socially liberal. I want a shrunken federal government, which, by definition, means less government spending on social programs. The states should take on those duties in whatever manner and extent they wish.

As much as I think liberal issues are not within the purview of the Constitution, I also believe many of the conservative social issues are also not within the purview of the federal government.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 04, 2013 12:03 PM (f9c2L)

205 "But come on. She didn't deserve what the media/libs did to her, but you have to admit that she's simplynot Presidential material. She talks in circles. She's just not that bright. I don't understand why so many of you can't justmove on.


Posted by: doomed at February 04, 2013 11:54 AM (x9s9/)"



I know, right? I mean President Romney is really turning things around right now. We really dodged a bullet with that Palin chick.

Posted by: Burn the Witch (Who isn't even a Palin fan but can recognize a shitty argument against her) at February 04, 2013 12:03 PM (4c71i)

206 “We’re concerned about Steve King’s Todd Akin problem,” Mr. Law said. “This is an example of candidate discipline and how it would play in a general election. All of the things he’s said are going to be hung around his neck.”

And the threats begin.

Posted by: joanne at February 04, 2013 12:04 PM (Cjcon)

207 In 2010, Karl Rove funded and endorsed Marco Rubio. His PAC also funded Sharron Angle. They also spent TONS of money running ads against 15 Democrats (holy shit! what a concept for a GOP PAC!!!) and 1 Independent (Charlie Crist). Of those races, they won 10 and lost 6.

In 2010, Mitt Romney funded Tea Party candidates Kelly Ayotte, Nikki Haley, Jason Chaffetz, Alan West, Rand Paul, Pat Toomey, Tim Scott, etc...

Source: Open Secrets - Crossroads GPS/American Crossroads 2010

Posted by: Viv Lee at February 04, 2013 12:04 PM (2AQwj)

208 Texas middle school students asked to design a socialist flag:

http://t.co/30kW5DDC

Posted by: Rand Paul and Trey Gowdy at February 04, 2013 12:04 PM (piMMO)

209 >>>Primary voters are not representative of general election voters,
especially in a blue state. You can win 100% of the primary vote, and
still lose by 20 points in the general.

Well maybe he shouldn't have given primary voters the back of his hand then. He acted like an aloof jerk. You made the case of whether you would eat lasagna or unicorn steak. Unfair comparison.

Instead eat something you really dislike (scrambled eggs in my case), or go hungry. Castle made going hungry look attractive.

If the Establishment get find more suitable candidates, then apparently they need these continual challenges.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 04, 2013 12:04 PM (0q2P7)

210 Posted by: thunderb at February 04, 2013 12:00 PM (Dnbau)

What's your point. You do know that Perry backed Dewhurst over Cruz right? You do know that the evil establishment of which National Review is an honored member, had their head man, Nordlingerendorse Cruz before any of you ever heard of him right?

Posted by: polynikes channeling cognitive dissonant monkey at February 04, 2013 12:04 PM (m2CN7)

211 Well Cruz is a shrink the govt guy and a socon. go figure. They exist here.

Posted by: thunderb at February 04, 2013 12:05 PM (Dnbau)

212
Karl,....Bay-Bee,.....what is up wid' youze?
Get too much whiteboard marker in your blood, and gettin' all brain-fuzzy, inside ?
You've gone from utterly clueless in late 2012 to utterly batshit crazy right here and now. Please to check your household's plumbing for a cross-connection, as it would seem you are displaying a few symptoms of drinking your own sewage.
....or, is it just vinegar poisoning from being immersed in your own DoucheBaggery?
There's 3 excuses for ya', Karl. Pick one, Nnn-Kaayyy?
Let us know what you find out.

Posted by: Uncle Kevvie says : Howdy All at February 04, 2013 12:05 PM (gZD5/)

213 Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 04, 2013 12:01 PM (81UWZ)

Hell, he could be standing in front of it on the ground. He gets a 30 round mag, you get the shortest burst possible from the 30mm gun.

This is a doable plan.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 04, 2013 12:05 PM (GsoHv)

214
"She's just not that bright. I don't understand why so many of you can't justmove on.

Skeeter, Joey Choo-Choo, Cankles, Lurch, Hairy Reed, Pelosi, Boxer, Fineswine...
Your point?"
My point is we should nominate intelligent, competent Republicans. Your point apparently is thatbecause the Dem ranks are filled with unintelligent, incompetent Party hacks, Republicansshould do the same. That'signorant.

Posted by: doomed at February 04, 2013 12:05 PM (x9s9/)

215
List the states that Romney won. Cross out all but the six most deeply red states, and you'll have your answer.

Posted by: Hollowpoint




And done.

Mitt Romney - The Man Who Saved Alabama for the GOP.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 04, 2013 12:05 PM (kdS6q)

216 208 Texas middle school students asked to design a socialist flag:

http://t.co/30kW5DDC

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My suggestion is linked in my name.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 04, 2013 12:05 PM (e0xKF)

217
Karl Rove is proud of the John Roberts pick as Chief Justice for SCOTUS.

Say no more!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at February 04, 2013 12:05 PM (Jcd0S)

218 In 2010, Karl Rove funded and endorsed Marco Rubio. His PAC also funded Sharron Angle. They also spent TONS of money running ads against 15 Democrats (holy shit! what a concept for a GOP PAC!!!) and 1 Independent (Charlie Crist). Of those races, they won 10 and lost 6. In 2010, Mitt Romney funded Tea Party candidates Kelly Ayotte, Nikki Haley, Jason Chaffetz, Alan West, Rand Paul, Pat Toomey, Tim Scott, etc... Source: Open Secrets - Crossroads GPS/American Crossroads 2010
Posted by: Viv Lee at February 04, 2013 12:04 PM (2AQwj)

Just wanted to repost that for all of the poor victims of the Establishment.

Posted by: polynikes channeling cognitive dissonant monkey at February 04, 2013 12:06 PM (m2CN7)

219
New GOPe slogan:

Our democrats are better than their democrats!

Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at February 04, 2013 12:06 PM (1Y+hH)

220 Oh and the source for Romney's contributions:

http://tinyurl.com/av2ohwn

Posted by: Viv Lee at February 04, 2013 12:06 PM (2AQwj)

221 This thread is too long.

A true conservative would make a new post!

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 04, 2013 12:06 PM (NTBjC)

222 Also, how do you ensure paragraph breaks in comments?

****

Hit return/enter twice

Posted by: Rand Paul and Trey Gowdy at February 04, 2013 12:06 PM (piMMO)

223 Rove is not the GOP. He represents the Tory/Whig faction of the GOP, that part of the party that promises to be, paraphrasing Mark Steyn, 'the more fiscally responsible managers of the welfare state'.

In other words, a non-gimpy, non-Viagra popping Bob Dole.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 04, 2013 12:06 PM (zF6Iw)

224 124
remember a lot of tea party candidates don't hire the right consults and
agencies and shit like that has a negative effect on Rove's gravy
train.
================
$150 million--$150 fucking million!!--Romney paid to just two insider firms connected with his top advisers.

Any surprise the Establishment LURVED that guy? He ran one of the most efficient "suck money out of middle-class America and funnel it to the super wealthy" campaigns the Republicans have ever seen.

Any wonder why Rove wants more of that?


Posted by: RoyalOil at February 04, 2013 12:06 PM (VjL9S)

225 These conservatives that only have "activist" on their resume, and wake up one day and decide they want to be Governor or Senator.

What did Liarwatha have on her resume? And there she is Senator Liarwatha.

Posted by: Decaf at February 04, 2013 12:06 PM (NmvvV)

226 bobdolejohnmccainmittromney

Posted by: Max Entropy at February 04, 2013 12:06 PM (bOfmc)

227 My suggestion is linked in my name.

***

That'll do.

Posted by: Rand Paul and Trey Gowdy at February 04, 2013 12:07 PM (piMMO)

228 Karl Rove is a very smart guy. I wish he would use those smarts to help the Tea Party instead of working against it.

Posted by: biancaneve at February 04, 2013 12:07 PM (eXbYL)

229 I wish we could endthe Castle - O'Donnell argument. In 2010, the tea party made huge gains on behalf of the GOP. In some cases they likely overreached, but it was basically base frustration with the GOP. Yes, it would probably be better to have Mike Castle than a Dem senator, but the base was frustrated, and made their voice heard. It's over. Let's learn from it and move on.

Posted by: SH at February 04, 2013 12:07 PM (gmeXX)

230 I kan haz disvention?

Posted by: DaveA at February 04, 2013 12:08 PM (JJdOG)

231 "I also believe many of the conservative social issues are also not within the purview of the federal government."

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 04, 2013 12:03 PM (f9c2L)

You have clearly not been paying attention.

Nobody around here has any interest in the federal government being involved in social issues of any kind.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 04, 2013 12:08 PM (GsoHv)

232 "She's just not that bright. I don't understand why so many of you can't justmove on.


****

You are confusing her awshucks style with intelligence.

IIRC, she was the first to see and call out the administration on death panels.

Posted by: Rand Paul and Trey Gowdy at February 04, 2013 12:08 PM (piMMO)

233 228
Karl Rove is a very smart guy. I wish he would use those smarts to help the Tea Party instead of working against it.

Posted by: biancaneve at February 04, 2013 12:07 PM (eXbYL)

Rove works for the people who pay his salary. Period.

Posted by: joncelli at February 04, 2013 12:08 PM (RD7QR)

234 Well maybe he shouldn't have given primary voters
the back of his hand then. He acted like an aloof jerk. You made the
case of whether you would eat lasagna or unicorn steak. Unfair
comparison.

Instead eat something you really dislike (scrambled eggs in my case), or go hungry. Castle made going hungry look attractive.

If the Establishment get find more suitable candidates, then apparently they need these continual challenges.


Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 04, 2013 12:04 PM (0q2P7)


Maybe Castle shouldn't have had Rove advising him.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 04, 2013 12:08 PM (bLwWr)

235 What did Liarwatha have on her resume? And there she is Senator Liarwatha.
Posted by: Decaf at February 04, 2013 12:06 PM (NmvvV)


I'd take your average stay at home mom over the average professor. At least a stay at home Mom can balance a checkbook.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 12:09 PM (l86i3)

236 >>>believe many of the conservative social issues are also not within the purview of the federal government.

There are like 2 right?

Abortion which is a federal issue since the Supreme Court made it a federal issue. It was a state issue prior. Now to allow states the option of deciding their own abortion policy requires federal action.

Gay marriage. I'm all for allowing states to decide this. Actually I'm for abolishing the institution as a state institution altogether. They have all but ruined marriage since they took over administrating it.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 04, 2013 12:09 PM (0q2P7)

237 You're a prick because you keep insisting that
people who don't line up to exactly what you want (those evil so-cons)
be the ones to give up their beliefs. It's *always* those evil so-cons,
so, you know what, screw you.

You're just as much a purist as anyone, but are too hypocritical to realize it.




Posted by: GMan
..........
Who is asking anyone to give up beliefs? Believe whatever the hell you like!

Just don't ask a political party to force that belief on everyone.

Let's make the political party a party that concentrates on economy, capitalism and personal freedoms so each and every American can be free to pursue whatever beliefs they have. What's wrong with that?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 04, 2013 12:10 PM (f9c2L)

238 I vaguely remember an Army field manual reference to shooting down aircraft with your M-16. I think it was kinda like the "personal flotation devices under your seat in case of a water landing" type of information, designed to make people feel less helpless. The "lesson" was something about how to judge distance by the size and then aiming a certain number of plane lengths ahead of it. I assume it has never actually happened with an M-16 and a jet, but I can see an M60 maybe doing it with a shit load of luck. Still, Jesse Jackson is a fucking idiot, always has been.

Posted by: lincolntf at February 04, 2013 12:10 PM (ZshNr)

239 "But come on. She didn't deserve what the media/libs did to her, but you have to admit that she's simplynot Presidential material. She talks in circles. She's just not that bright. I don't understand why so many of you can't justmove on.


Posted by: doomed at February 04, 2013 11:54 AM (x9s9/)


I know, right? I mean President Romney is really turning things around right now. We really dodged a bullet with that Palin chick.Posted by: Burn the Witch (Who isn't even a Palin fan but can recognize a shitty argument against her)" Geez, you're almost as dumb as she is. And what pray tell is the "argument" you are offering? That because Romney lost, that means that Palin ... ? Wait, what is your "argument" again?

Posted by: doomed at February 04, 2013 12:10 PM (x9s9/)

240 Dewhurst ran ads saying that Cruz worked for the Chinese government during the primaryfer cryin out loud. My point is that the republican establishment in Texas was not happy with Ted Cruz, perhaps they are now. But there was a bit of "its Dewhurst's turn" thinking. That is my point.

Posted by: thunderb at February 04, 2013 12:10 PM (Dnbau)

241 Rove has an idea that might work, but no one trusts DC insiders to chose battles wisely.

For three way races like MO '12 and NV '10, the Democrat incumbent was able to use their money to push a race towards the lesser candidate from two other solid conservatives, so Rove's idea could be very helpful, .

However interfering with FL'10 and TX'12 would have resulted in much weaker candidates and Senators.

And Alaska '10 was an outlier, as even though the winning primary candidate was an strong candidate, Alaskan residents get direct cash benefits as a result of pork, so seniority means everything to them, not ideology.

Posted by: Bill from Chappaqua at February 04, 2013 12:10 PM (0SXI6)

242 So, which hill do we die on now?
Posted by: My GF has big boobies at February 04, 2013 11:58 AM (F6KtL

We fight on them all. And I still don't get this 'Social Conservative, Fiscal Conservative' divide. Not all of the Founders were by any measure religious types of people yet they were unified by certain central ideas regarding the relationship of the individual to the state and the foundation and source of our rights. If they can agree on first principles, so can we.

Posted by: troyriser at February 04, 2013 12:10 PM (vtiE6)

243

Rove has officially endorsed a 3rd party.

Good going.

Instead of supporting and embracing the Tea Party platform, which obviously Rove still does not understand, he ostracizes it.

Following TFG's plan to divide, eh?

Fiscal responsibility and Constitutionally upheld rights. Pfft... who needs 'em.

Posted by: 3 beaches at February 04, 2013 12:11 PM (LpQbZ)

244

Well, how many minds have been changed by this little discussion?


That's what I thought.

Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at February 04, 2013 12:11 PM (1Y+hH)

245
Don't you love it when the GOP gets all determined to crush the life out of conservatives in ways it can't even conceive of fighting against the Left.

Posted by: rrpjr at February 04, 2013 12:11 PM (ZbUZk)

246 My point is we should nominate intelligent, competent Republicans. Your point apparently is thatbecause the Dem ranks are filled with unintelligent, incompetent Party hacks, Republicansshould do the same. That'signorant.

My point is that the best and the brightest may not be available nor want it. Genius is not required. I settle for competent if that is all there is.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 04, 2013 12:11 PM (GFM2b)

247 228 -

My theory is that the R "establishment" wants the Tea Party excommunicated, and they are willing to accept minority status for the forseeable future. It's the lesser of two evils.

If there is evidence to the contrary, I haven't seen it.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 04, 2013 12:12 PM (TOk1P)

248 Conservatism is common sense.

Common sense is not a big seller when the house is on fire.

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at February 04, 2013 12:12 PM (EZl54)

249 All in All a pretty nice funeral service for Ed Koch ending with the song " New York, New York" as his casket was carried out by NYC Cops.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 04, 2013 12:12 PM (9Bj8R)

250 I wish we could endthe Castle - O'Donnell argument.

I think Mitt Romney's failure was far more expensive and spectacular than Christine O'Donnell's. Let the Establishment own that!

Posted by: Hillary at February 04, 2013 12:12 PM (QXlbZ)

251 Basically Rove and his ilk are saying:
Failure to take the Senate in 2010 was the Tea party's fault.
Failure to take the Senate and WH in 2012 was the Tea Party's fault.
I can't type my response here.....

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 04, 2013 12:12 PM (uhftQ)

252 I read a couple of weeks ago that if something small penetrates the hull of an aircraft, anything....a magazine, a blanket, almost anything placed against the hole will seal it well enough to prevent further erosion and allow the plane to land safely.

I hope that is true.

Posted by: Rand Paul and Trey Gowdy at February 04, 2013 12:12 PM (piMMO)

253 But I am not socially liberal. I want a shrunken federal government, which, by definition, means less government spending on social programs. The states should take on those duties in whatever manner and extent they wish.
---

Chi-town. Sorry about that. I don't think the majority of this country wants to shrink government. I'm not sure limited government sells as well as we think it does. Perhaps we should focus on decntralized government. I think Medicare block granting to the states will sell much better than cutting Medicare. Then we let the states be the innovator.

Posted by: SH at February 04, 2013 12:13 PM (gmeXX)

254 #27 I could have sworn Bin Laden was killed on Obama's watch. My mistake.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 04, 2013 12:13 PM (wbmaj)

255 Off hunky socks

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 12:13 PM (piMMO)

256 Common sense is not a big seller when the house is on fire.


"Free shit" is apparently a more effective value proposition than "Common Sense."

Posted by: Hillary at February 04, 2013 12:13 PM (QXlbZ)

257 At this point viable candidates don't mean anything in my opinion. In a general sense, the idea that if somehow the Republicans won a majority in this or that would mean retreat from the brink is incorrect. If you should recall, the best the Republicans have ever achieved (in my lifetime) is keeping the brinkward movement stationary, and this only with the help of a centrist Dem president (Clinton) at the cost of defense (which bit us in the behind later.) But this only lasted until the Republicans became establishment themselves, having to play to special interests to keep their seats. So it's arguable that only with both a Republican president and Republican legislature would you even begin a movement away from the brink, but if that president was... Mitt Romney? Too much of the GOP is concerned with being the 'smarter manager of the welfare state' for this idea to hold any water, anyway.

The truth is, the heart of our society has become so corrupt that most of us ought to be locked up, but there's not enough cells or guards to keep us. I think there are a number of reasons for this, but mainly looking to political leaders to somehow lead us away from another 'me' generation is a mistake. Political leaders, particularly in our tradition, do not lead entirely, but often follow public sentiment, even if they don't necessarily do exactly what the public seems to want in polls. Boomers left and right were well known for their self-absorbed character; the policies of our federal government were a Washington D.C. version of that sentiment.

Posted by: RiverC at February 04, 2013 12:14 PM (El+h4)

258 Once you realize that under Obama the national debt will have gone from 9.5 trillion to over 20 trillion, so high that we will NEVER pay it back and the minute interest rates go up we are all fucked, the better off you are.

Who gives a shit what the Republican party does at this point, sane people tried to stop the spending in 2010. They failed. They were stabbed in the front by Democrats, and in the back by establishment Republicans.

Posted by: Mr Pink at February 04, 2013 12:14 PM (40B6+)

259 208 Texas middle school students asked to design a socialist flag:



I think this would do nicely.

http://tinyurl.com/apdbpad

And this would be a great twitter hashtag to start for mocking this idea.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 04, 2013 12:14 PM (81UWZ)

260 Mitt Romney?

He SUCKS!

Posted by: Obamaphone! ( and there's your problem) at February 04, 2013 12:14 PM (EZl54)

261 Well, good. I expect Tea Party GOP candidates and establishment GOP candidates to fight it out among themselves. It's the only way to make sure either are ready for prime-time. Idiots like Aiken should've been asked questions and weeded out long before they get anywhere near a general election.

You know, the professional politicians who make up the GOP establishment aren't going to simply give up their careers and vanish, or convert en-masse to noble self-sacrificing statesmen. They don't have it in them. They want to perpetuate their personal power, and they've gotten quite good at it. Make it clear that their power and prestige are under threat unless they vote properly, and they'll respond. Mercenaries belong to the side that's willing to pay for them.

Posted by: GalosGann at February 04, 2013 12:14 PM (T3KlW)

262 Don't you love it when the GOP gets all determined to crush the life out of conservatives in ways it can't even conceive of fighting against the Left.

Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 04, 2013 12:14 PM (zF6Iw)

263 Do-do-do-dooooo-do-dooooooooooooo...

SMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODDDDD

Posted by: The Mega Independent at February 04, 2013 12:14 PM (dYRXi)

264 I'm all for Tea Party, but I must have been asleep when a Tea Party candidate ran in 2012 for the nomination.

No more turds, establishment or otherwise.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 04, 2013 12:14 PM (xAtAj)

265 Chi-town, I think you are wrong, but that is just my
opinion. You may be one of the few who truly consider themselves a
socially liberall fiscally conservative voter and looking for someone to
follow. I know a lot of people say that is who they are. But in my
experience, when you start talking to those people, they never want to
cut education funding, they never want to touch entitlements, they think
Planned Parenthood should be funded. In other words, they are no where
near as fiscally conservative as they claim to be.


[p]
Now, I'm sure you are sincere, and no doubt there are many more out
there like you. But what I am no sure of is there are enough of you to
ever pass legislation or to get someone elected.[p]
Posted by: SH at February 04, 2013 11:57 AM (gmeXX)
[p]The problem with socially liberal / fiscal conservatism is as you say above - the issues are too intertwined. People who are "socially liberal" tend not to just mean that they want gay marriage and abortions - they also tend to want gov't fixing "problems" and are for affirmative action, and all kinds of other things which have significant financial impacts. Also, the more gov't is involved in "social issues" the bigger gov't gets. [p]
If by "socially liberal" one only means gay marriage and abortion - then the next problem crops up.[p]I have said this many times, but over many years of watching politics I have almost never seen a socially conservative politician move left on fiscal and other issues. Almost every socially liberal / fiscally conservative politician inexorably moves left on fiscal issues. there can be a lot of reasons for this, but I have found it to be true about 95% of the time. [p]
In other words, in my experience I can trust a socon candidate to remain steadfastly conservative on almost all issues, while the same can not be said of non-socon candidates. [p]I am not actually someone who is passionate about abortion and gay marriage as issues. I care more about fiscal conservatism and small gov't conservatism. But, I tend to support the social con candidate in most situations because of the rule-of-thumb I just described.

Posted by: Monkeytoe at February 04, 2013 12:15 PM (sOx93)

266 #27 I could have sworn Bin Laden was killed on Obama's watch. My mistake.


***

yes. Obama was brilliant in his assertion that EIT would yield his whereabouts.

How long did it take for him to make the call to take him down?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 12:15 PM (piMMO)

267 Sock Reset

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at February 04, 2013 12:16 PM (QXlbZ)

268 The establishment's choice in 2012 really showed the Dems. Well done, establishment!

Posted by: Brock O'bama at February 04, 2013 12:16 PM (eDWZG)

269 "My point is we should nominate intelligent, competent Republicans. Your point apparently is that because the Dem ranks are filled with unintelligent, incompetent Party hacks, Republicans should do the same. That's ignorant.


Posted by: doomed at February 04, 2013 12:05 PM (x9s9/)"



You clearly missed the point. Your logic was flawed and you were called on it.


That aside, you keep waiting for that sooper genius Repub candidate to show up, or you get someone in who will vote for sanity.


How's your strategy workin' out?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 04, 2013 12:16 PM (4c71i)

270 I'm all for the Mad Hatter's Tea Party--face it, as a nation, we've gone nuts.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 04, 2013 12:16 PM (wbmaj)

271 None of our problems can be fixed until the States take their powers back.
==============
Yup.
We could elect Reagan's in the House, Senate and the Presidency. But not even Reagan was able to cut the size, scope and reach of the federal government.

And until the States take back their Constitutional duty, the leftist will just wait until the next crisis, until the inevitable day when those who love freedom are asleep, to return this country back to their preferred path.

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 04, 2013 12:17 PM (VjL9S)

272 I'm all for Tea Party, but I must have been asleep when a Tea Party candidate ran in 2012 for the nomination.

No more turds, establishment or otherwise.

***

The Tea Party was too new in 2012. Those who were elected are just now really proving themselves, one way or the other.

2016? There should be several from which to choose.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 12:17 PM (piMMO)

273 Well maybe he shouldn't have given primary voters the back of his hand
then. He acted like an aloof jerk. You made the case of whether you
would eat lasagna or unicorn steak. Unfair comparison.


OK, fine. A choice between stale, leftover tofu lasagna and unicorn steak. The point remains.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 04, 2013 12:17 PM (SY2Kh)

274 Teh Establishment - The Official Boogey Man of Conservatives.

No man, you True Cons are really winning the argument...by whining about an invisible enemy. I'm so pumped for President Hillary to teach Teh Establishment another lesson.

Posted by: Shoot Me at February 04, 2013 12:17 PM (qiXMt)

275 The establishment GOP is already dead. That's why I call them the DOPE instead: the Dead Old Party Establishment. What you see now is a twitching corpse being kept animate by mad scientists. They keep subjecting it to torturous electroshock treatments in a futile effort to reinvigorate dead flesh.

The conservative wing of the party -- which is inclusive of but not solely composed of the TEA party -- is pounding on the doors of the DOPE's laboratory, pitchforks and torches in hand, demanding the ghastly work cease and the natural processes of birth, growth, and death be allowed to reassert themselves.

The DOPE is dead, but its successor can't grow in its stead until the monster is dragged off the gurney, tossed in a box, and buried six feet deep. Or, more likely, set ablaze.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 04, 2013 12:17 PM (4df7R)

276 >How long did it take for him to make the call to take him down?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 12:15 PM (piMMO)

as soon as Valerie Jarrett examined the burned entrails of a goat, then gave him the go-ahead

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 04, 2013 12:17 PM (8sCoq)

277 Fourth Virginia is Jordan

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at February 04, 2013 12:18 PM (EZl54)

278
No one doubts that Obama will be a leftist. I can't trustmy politicians for a second to represent my views or interests. On every issue, we have to argue with our ownrepresentatives to hold the conservative line. That is the biggest indicator that the Republican party is dead and it's time for a new party to take its place.

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at February 04, 2013 12:18 PM (3PHCO)

279
as soon as Valerie Jarrett examined the burned entrails of a goat, then gave him the go-ahead

---

I'm not your witch, I'm just your cook!

Posted by: Valerie Latrine, nee Shithouse at February 04, 2013 12:18 PM (e0xKF)

280 " Oh, wait, we got behind Sharron Angle, Christine O'Donnell, and Joe Miller. Never mind."

Nice try. One thing to keep in mind is that many incumbents, notably Orrin Hatch, looked at the 2010 primary results and moved right. The GOP establishment didn't support Angle or O'Donnell in the general because they weren't loyal to the fundraisers. Miller did get state support, but Alaskans looove government subsidies and Murky was the best bet to bring home the bacon. The problem now is that the US government is out of bacon and is now in the business of printing bacon IOUs. 2014 (with the Obamacare penalties on the table) will be a year to remember.

Posted by: mrp at February 04, 2013 12:18 PM (HjPtV)

281 I am a Constitutionalist. Which also means that I have an abiding belief in a power greater than myself and a set of easily identifieable moral principles.

Without basic moral principles and/or virtue, freedom cannot exist fiscally or socially. It's as simple as that.

Posted by: Soona at February 04, 2013 12:18 PM (z2jDQ)

282 I'm all for Tea Party, but I must have been asleep when a Tea Party candidate ran in 2012 for the nomination.

See? I told you that vaccines cause memory loss.

Posted by: Michele Bachmann at February 04, 2013 12:18 PM (SY2Kh)

283 >>>#27 I could have sworn Bin Laden was killed on Obama's watch. My mistake.

Apparently the only thing that happened in four years of the Obama first term that wasn't Bush's fault.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 04, 2013 12:19 PM (0q2P7)

284
"She's just not that bright. I don't understand why so many of you can't justmove on.

It's saddening to know we have people this fucking stupid in our party. Here's a woman who went from being a housewife to governor against the most entrenched party politics in the country, went up against the oil company lawyers and corrupt politicians and won every time.

And we have dumb fuckers who stumble though life catching bits and pieces of MSM reports who proclaim her as not "bright".

You might want to list your accomplishments so that we can judge just how qualified you are to make that sort of assessment.

Posted by: jwest at February 04, 2013 12:19 PM (ZDsRL)

285 Oh Boy! I can hardly wait for them to call me asking for money. I intend to curse them out in English Spanish.

Posted by: Paladin at February 04, 2013 12:19 PM (YNPwP)

286 let's see

let's see

let's see

let's see

test

test

Posted by: Monkeytoe at February 04, 2013 12:19 PM (sOx93)

287 Rove would be right if he actually won an election against Barack Obama. The Tea Party would be right if we always had a Rand Paul or Ted Cruz to nominate. Let the battle continue.

Posted by: SH at February 04, 2013 12:20 PM (gmeXX)

288 It's saddening to know we have people this fucking stupid in our party. Here's a woman who went from being a housewife to governor against the most entrenched party politics in the country, went up against the oil company lawyers and corrupt politicians and won every time.

***

Let's add fearless and determined to that resume'.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 12:20 PM (piMMO)

289 I am a Constitutionalist. Which also means that I have an abiding belief in a power greater than myself and a set of easily identifieable moral principles.

Without basic moral principles and/or virtue, freedom cannot exist fiscally or socially. It's as simple as that.
Posted by: Soona at February 04, 2013 12:18 PM (z2jDQ)


Yep, kill the Federal meddling and return it all back to the states. Then we Americans can truly be free by picking which state meets our personal morals and politics.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 12:20 PM (l86i3)

290 The GOP is not the Opposition Party.

The GOP is the Substitution Party.

They are Slow Democrats.

Actual Democrats are Fast Democrats.

All of them march in the same direction.

Posted by: eman at February 04, 2013 12:20 PM (j7rp0)

291 I'm all for Tea Party, but I must have been asleep when a Tea Party candidate ran in 2012 for the nomination.

No more turds, establishment or otherwise.

Posted by: HoboJerky


It helps to have money on your side. No one has claimed the TEA party was flush.

The awful truth is Romney pulled in a lot of money, yet, didnt use any of his own for the campaign. WTF is up with that?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 04, 2013 12:21 PM (NTBjC)

292
Establishment conservatives are telling us that govt is the solution.

Sounds vaguely familiar....

Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at February 04, 2013 12:21 PM (1Y+hH)

293 Let's add fearless and determined to that resume'.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 12:20 PM (piMMO)

And Precient.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 12:21 PM (l86i3)

294 maybe Palin wouldn't win a debate, but her political policyinstincts are dead on, she's a verbal sniper when she needs to be, and I trust her. There are very very few of these "smart" guys I can say that about

Posted by: thunderb at February 04, 2013 12:21 PM (Dnbau)

295 And another thing, how did they jam those oversized ham flanks on Beyonce into those boots?

Posted by: BurtTC at February 04, 2013 12:22 PM (TOk1P)

296 Geez, you're almost as dumb as she is. And what pray tell is the "argument" you are offering? That because Romney lost, that means that Palin ... ? Wait, what is your "argument" again?
Posted by: doomed at February 04, 2013 12:10 PM (x9s9/)



My "argument" was a rebuttal of yours.


Do blatantly obvious points fly over your head often, or is it sarcasm that gives you trouble? Let me know if you need me to spell it out for you Champ.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 04, 2013 12:22 PM (4c71i)

297 Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 04, 2013 12:12 PM (9Bj8R)

A leftist with common sense.

He might have been the last one...

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 04, 2013 12:22 PM (GsoHv)

298
IIRC, here's how Akin won the primary. Of the 3 'publicans running in the primary he polled close to dead even with McCaskill. The other 2 lead Claire.

Sarah Steelman had the lead along with Palin and Tea Party Express endorsements. Clarie running unopposed in her primary started running a shitpot full of ads saying don't vote for Akin he's tooooo conservative. Very unorthodox. Unfortunately, very effective. She got the candidate that polls showed she had the best chance to beat.

Akin just made it a slam dunk with his stooopid comment.

Posted by: olddog at February 04, 2013 12:22 PM (Ijr/x)

299 @Shoot me

As long as the Establishment types have money and influence they can still cause problems. As to whether any of this means anything at all anyway is another question, perhaps the big Question itself. Given that I'm not its captain, I'm all for abandoning sinking ships.

Posted by: RiverC at February 04, 2013 12:23 PM (El+h4)

300 None of our problems can be fixed until the States take their powers back.==============Yup.We could elect Reagan's in the House, Senate and the Presidency. But not even Reagan was able to cut the size, scope and reach of the federal government.And until the States take back their Constitutional duty, the leftist will just wait until the next crisis, until the inevitable day when those who love freedom are asleep, to return this country back to their preferred path.
Posted by: RoyalOil at February 04, 2013 12:17 PM (VjL9S)


-------------------------------------------------


I agree 100%. But one of the things one must remember is that, just like the individual, the states have also fallen in love with those sweet, sweet federal dollars.

Posted by: Soona at February 04, 2013 12:23 PM (z2jDQ)

301 And what pray tell is the "argument" you are offering? That because Romney lost, that means that Palin ... ? Wait, what is your "argument" again?

Romney lost the unlosable election so how smart should we think he is?

Posted by: Decaf at February 04, 2013 12:23 PM (NmvvV)

302 Clarie = Claire McCaskill

Posted by: olddog at February 04, 2013 12:23 PM (Ijr/x)

303 "No man, you True Cons are really winning the argument...by whining about an invisible enemy."

Remember that Mohammed video guy? The one that was frog-marched into prison because his video incited the "riot" that resulted in the Benghazi murder-fest? And now Hillary! sez well, who cares what happened there, let's move on, it was so long ago. I bet she forgot the the name of the video guy, too.

Posted by: mrp at February 04, 2013 12:23 PM (HjPtV)

304 Effing Rover. That fat pos needs to stfu and fade away. Yeah, American Crossroads or whatever his PAC name is, they really set the world on fire with their ads and endorsements.

Posted by: Jim Scrummy at February 04, 2013 12:23 PM (sbV1u)

305
"You clearly missed the point." Wrong. You made no intellible point.
"Your logic was flawed" Wrong. My logic was not flawed, nor did you intelligently articulate any alleged flaw.
"and you were called on it." Wrong. See above.

So what I'm basically saying, Burn the Witch,is that you are a complete moron.

Posted by: doomed at February 04, 2013 12:24 PM (x9s9/)

306 Wow

last night's game was the most-watched TV event in history

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 04, 2013 12:24 PM (8sCoq)

307 @295
Beyonce ,ugh.

Marginally not repulsive.

I can't understand the appeal.

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at February 04, 2013 12:24 PM (EZl54)

308 And another thing, how did they jam those oversized ham flanks on Beyonce into those boots?

***

Boomer Esaison, per Drudge, claims Beyonce blew the electricity twice during her rehearsals.

Imagine that. A football stadium ill-equipped to manage a halftime show.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 12:25 PM (piMMO)

309 So does Rove plan on going 0-3 in Texas elections that matter since he turned national?

Posted by: SH at February 04, 2013 12:25 PM (gmeXX)

310 By the way, this is nothing new. Particularly in the Senate, incumbency protection is always more important to the party than ideology.

The party does not actually exist as anything more than a vehicle to get people elected and re-elected. So, as far as party machinery is concerned, ideology is meaningless.

That is why it is up to the people who vote for the party to keep fighting for certain principles.

This fight will never be over. The party will always want to move leftward - we will always have to fight to move the party rightward. Leftward is where it is easy for politicians. It is much easier to run a campaign telling people that social security is fine and dandy and everyone will get all their benefits and "oh look, a new entitlement for x, y and z" than it is to tell people that we need to cut this program and that program and reform this other program.

There is a theory out there that every establishment, once created, eventually moves left. I think that is just is true of the GOP as anything else and always has been.

Posted by: Monkeytoe at February 04, 2013 12:26 PM (sOx93)

311 So what I'm basically saying, Burn the Witch,is that you are a complete moron.
Posted by: doomed at February 04, 2013 12:24 PM (x9s9/)

Well, put me on the burn the witch moron list too. If liking the stance is wrong, I don't wanna be right.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 12:26 PM (l86i3)

312 Chocolate City!!!

Posted by: thunderb at February 04, 2013 12:26 PM (Dnbau)

313 Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 04, 2013 11:58 AM (SY2Kh)

Which proves you wrong that he was likely. If you can't get out of the primaries, you are not likely.

Posted by: KG at February 04, 2013 12:26 PM (p7BzH)

314 307 -

Her act is basically an updated version of Charo. Without the latin flavoring, that is.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 04, 2013 12:26 PM (TOk1P)

315 the lights at Superdome went out when equipment at the site detected an internal fault and automatically shut down

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 04, 2013 12:26 PM (8sCoq)

316
"My "argument" was a rebuttal of yours.
Do blatantly obvious points fly over your head often, or is it sarcasm that gives you trouble? Let me know if you need me to spell it out for you Champ."

You have yet to make an "argument" or any "points" whatsoever,moron. Still waiting.

Posted by: doomed at February 04, 2013 12:27 PM (x9s9/)

317 Boomer Esaison, per Drudge, claims Beyonce blew the electricity twice during her rehearsals.


I think there was a short circut after someone dumped crystal on her lewel encrusted sybian.



I stole that from last night.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 12:27 PM (l86i3)

318 It helps to have money on your side. No one has claimed the TEA party was flush.

The awful truth is Romney pulled in a lot of money, yet, didnt use any of his own for the campaign. WTF is up with that?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 04, 2013 12:21 PM (NTBjC)


Romney also had a very good organization put together. He was always a good executive; I never said otherwise. Too bad he was lacking a certain x factor to get the mushy middle excited about him; but he was always lacking that which is why we tried an anybody but Romney act in the primaries. He'd have been a much better President than the JEF, which is about the faintest praise possible.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 04, 2013 12:27 PM (bLwWr)

319
These moderate R's sure are worried about losing conservative voters.

Maybe they should work on moderate Democrats. Theythink more like establishment R's. That's where votes can be picked up. (Hey we are almost like you guys!)





Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at February 04, 2013 12:27 PM (1Y+hH)

320 I'm a moron....She's a moron..... He's a moron...., wouldn't you like to be a moron too??

Posted by: thunderb at February 04, 2013 12:27 PM (Dnbau)

321 @314

Charro was cute and bouncy.


Beyonce is an overrated wannabe diva


Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at February 04, 2013 12:28 PM (EZl54)

322 are you kidding? I really liked Beyonce last night.

Posted by: chemjeff at February 04, 2013 12:28 PM (m/eXi)

323 Per Shep,

After the lights went out, there were thousands and thousands of rapes in the Superdome.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 04, 2013 12:29 PM (TOk1P)

324 I agree 100%. But one of the things one must remember is that, just like
the individual, the states have also fallen in love with those sweet,
sweet federal dollars.>>

Well that is just another way the states cede their powers to the feds. If the states were the only tax collectors and the feds had to beg to get their cut from the state the problem of the fed buying power would be solved.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 04, 2013 12:29 PM (81UWZ)

325 That is the biggest indicator that the Republican party is dead and it's time for a new party to take its place.
Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at February 04, 2013 12:18 PM (3PHCO)

We're not there yet. And insofar as a new party is concerned, I haven't seen anyGOPleaders come forward calling for the formation of a new party, and that's what would need to happen in order for a new party to come together. The Whigs more or less dissolved when their best and brightest,including Lincoln,fell away and formed the Republican Party, feeling that the Whig Party, by not forcefully addressing the expansion of slavery into the territories, had abdicated its role as an opposition party and had ran from the central issue of its time.

The issue now is the stealth socialist transformation of the United States. If the leadership of the Republican Party refuses to acknowledge and fight this, then sure, third party. The risk, of course, is that history will play out like it did before and we end up facing a national cataclysm.

Posted by: troyriser at February 04, 2013 12:29 PM (vtiE6)

326 One of a few bright spots on an otherwise abysmal election night was Rove's meltdown on Fox. (The other two bright spots would be Ted Cruz and Deb Fisher.)

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at February 04, 2013 12:29 PM (KSjsb)

327 The awful truth is Romney pulled in a lot of money, yet, didnt use any of his own for the campaign. WTF is up with that?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 04, 2013 12:21 PM (NTBjC)

I'm merely refuting the "fact" that The Establishment foisted Romney on us.
He was the shiniest of turds in the turd pile we had at the time. Too bad.
I'll support any mixture of Rand/Perry/Jindal given they don't poop on themselves in the near future.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 04, 2013 12:29 PM (xAtAj)

328 They would be better off 1) hiring Newt to teach candidates how to kick the media's ass, 2) spent some dark money on "indentity" candidates to fracture the Dims, 3) providing some private background checks of tea party candidates early in the process, 4) how about some meetings, NOW, to put some names on the table -tea party and otherwise, and 5) make the tea party redundant - pick fiscally spend candidates and we won't have to fight about and a mechanism to keep the elected in line other then primary challanges.

Cash is nice, but spending isn't esp. Effective against motivated groups in small primaries elections.

Posted by: Jean at February 04, 2013 12:29 PM (Io7hX)

329 There is a theory out there that every establishment, once created, eventually moves left. I think that is just is true of the GOP as anything else and always has been.

O'Sullivan's First Law http://is.gd/JXjDBE

"All organizations that are not actually right-wing will over time become left-wing."

Posted by: toby928© at February 04, 2013 12:30 PM (QupBk)

330 The Top 150 Conservative Websites: February 2013


Here are the latest standings of conservative news and opinion sites, which are ordered using their Alexa traffic rankings. Yes, some of these are middle-of-the-road or moderate sites, but they are included because they do publish center-right opinion pieces on a regular basis.
Rank Website Traffic Rank
1 foxnews.com 146
2 telegraph.co.uk 266
3 wsj.com 285
4 drudgereport.com 448
5 theblaze.com 1070
6 nypost.com 1209
7 breitbart.com 1625
8 realclearpolitics.com 2262
9 zerohedge.com 2298
10 dailycaller.com 2507
11 weeklystandard.com 2619
12 washingtontimes.com 2628
13 townhall.com 3334
14 newsbusters.org 4214
15 nationalreview.com 4459
16 hotair.com 4753
17 freerepublic.com 5192
18 pajamasmedia.com 5801
19 washingtonexaminer.com 6025
20 investors.com 6298
21 cnsnews.com 6422
22 foreignpolicy.com 6445
23 twitchy.com 6817
24 rushlimbaugh.com 8277
25 debka.com 8502
26 reason.com 9438
27 americanthinker.com 9491
28 redstate.com 13696
29 thegatewaypundit.com 14849
30 ace.mu.nu,

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 04, 2013 12:30 PM (9Bj8R)

331 Boomer Esaison, per Drudge, claims Beyonce blew the electricity twice during her rehearsals.

Imagine that. A football stadium ill-equipped to manage a halftime show.

---

Common sense says that Beyonce et all should have turned it down a notch since they did that multiple times.

As it stands, the Superdome will get the blame for that scrunt screwing up the game.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 04, 2013 12:30 PM (e0xKF)

332 >>>She's just not that bright. I don't understand why so many of you can't justmove on.

Two things.
1. If you've seen objective evidence of her IQ than let's here it. If all you have is anecdote from various media snippets, which were at this point admittedly biased you've got nothing more than a horribly uninformed opinion.

2. When did real smart start selling? In the past 60 years. Kennedy, LBJ, Nixon, Carter, Reagan, Bush HW, Clinton, Bush W, Obama, only Clinton was really smart and he used his intelligence to misrepresent himself continually, not to elevate the debate but to debase it and essentially acted like any old good-ole-boy.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 04, 2013 12:30 PM (0q2P7)

333 Posted by: Captain Hate at February 04, 2013 12:27 PM (bLwWr)

Good points skipper. But I think Romneys plan looked good on paper. So many activist conservatives were crushed by his selection that the man power was not availble to pull off the plan.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 12:30 PM (l86i3)

334 a betterexecutive would have made sure ORCA worked. He didn't

Posted by: thunderb at February 04, 2013 12:30 PM (Dnbau)

335 "All organizations that are not actually right-wing will over time become left-wing."

entropy

Posted by: eleven at February 04, 2013 12:30 PM (KXm42)

336 #283 Obama is a heavy price to pay for Bush's eight years. But then I think back on the accomplishments of Bush's administration (apart from keeping more terrorists with box cutters off of commercial jets), and I come up with ... crickets chirping ...long pause...more crickets chirping...longer pause...more and more crickets chirping. And dead Americans thrown away by the thousands for Stone Age mongrels in Afghanistan and Iraq. I hope sonny boy made Daddy Bush proud by taking out Sadaam Hussein. At what cost and for what.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 04, 2013 12:31 PM (wbmaj)

337 322 -

That you sat there and WATCHED the halftime show does not surprise me in the least.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 04, 2013 12:31 PM (TOk1P)

338
Somebody has to explain this to me, I guess.

I've found Rove to be one of the most insightful and objective political analysts there is, and I always look forward to his take on things.

Then I hear things about how his PAC screwed up all over the place during the election, and now there's this kind of stuff.

If you want to call the Bible-thumping Separation of Church and State deniers, whoseprimary issue isis abortion, "far-right", well OK. That's the so-called "base", but it's a minority within the party, and viewed as a bunch of "church ladies" by the public at large. Like the socialists of the Democratic Party, they get in trouble when they accidentally blurt out what they really think. But wasn't Rove's old boss one of them?

Then, the "Tea Party." Huh? I sort of get it when the media labels them as "far-right radicals" - they are the worst enemy of the socialists in the media: True Americans who "get it." So you almost expect irrational and outrageous lies and propaganda from them. Only the Defenders of the Undefendable could call people who arewaving the Constitution and freaking out over $T deficits "radicals" in America. But Rove? WTH!?! They're the Soul of America, for cryin' out loud...

Posted by: Optimizer at February 04, 2013 12:31 PM (Mxt9o)

339 Beyonce - Remove the vocal sweetening and mixing and she is a chunky cheerleader in flashy lingerie

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at February 04, 2013 12:32 PM (EZl54)

340 Don't you love it when the GOP gets all determined to crush the life out of conservatives in ways it can't even conceive of fighting against the Left.

There's the whole presidential primaries system to fix, unseat Iowa and New Hampshire as kick-off states, close open primaries etc. And what does Rove think is most urgent? Stomp on conservatives, that's what.

What's more, I don't think I've ever heard him say anything negative about Obama or Democrats. Must be cordial to the in-crowd.

Posted by: Decaf at February 04, 2013 12:32 PM (NmvvV)

341
Per Shep,

After the lights went out, there were thousands and thousands of rapes in the Superdome.
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Were they legimate rapes though?

Posted by: Todd Akin at February 04, 2013 12:32 PM (F6KtL)

342 This is why the Republican party is dead. It stands for nothing.

Supposedly the Republican establishment believes in personal choice and power emanating from the bottom up. So of course their strategy is to choose candidates from the top down and make them beholden to the machine for their election rather than the people.

We are dealing with low functioning idiots here who do not share our values and who are completely without principle. Those are the people we are depending on to save us. They look at what Obama hath wrought and see the problem as being the Tea Party, the only group who has dared oppose Dear Leader.

These people are fucking insane and I think everyone has had about enough of them.

Posted by: Voluble at February 04, 2013 12:32 PM (qYvEa)

343 I think they use the Tea Party as a scapegoat.

This seems very stupid because it will encourage more people to sit out, like they did for Romney.

And frankly, unless they do better messaging and start working on changing the culture, they won't win that way.

Posted by: sexypig at February 04, 2013 12:32 PM (dZQh7)

344 Posted by: doomed at February 04, 2013 12:24 PM (x9s9/)

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 06, 2012 09:56 AM (x9s9/)

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 04, 2013 12:32 PM (NTBjC)

345 Wait, what is your "argument" again?

Posted by: doomed at February 04, 2013 12:10 PM (x9s9/)

What is yours? You keep harping on her, while telling others to stop talking about her....

Posted by: KG at February 04, 2013 12:33 PM (p7BzH)

346 Romney also had a very good organization put together. He was always a good executive; I never said otherwise.
Posted by: Captain Hate at February 04, 2013 12:27 PM (bLwWr)

Are you kidding me? They couldn't even put together a functional GOTV effort or buy ads effectively.

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at February 04, 2013 12:33 PM (KSjsb)

347 >Beyonce - Remove the vocal sweetening and mixing and she is a chunky cheerleader in flashy lingerie


Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at February 04, 2013 12:32 PM (EZl54)

I know, right? Screen door, hurricane

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 04, 2013 12:33 PM (8sCoq)

348 I am a social liberal/fiscal conservative, and here's how it breaks down for me: Do anything you want. Gay marriage? Fine. Do drugs? Fine. Whatever. But the second you start to involve the government in forcing me to do something against my will, or pay for something that's out of their constitutionally enumerated powers, that's when I call halt.

I do not feel the need to pay for your accidental kid, OR your abortion, OR your birth control. If you can't afford birth control or a kid, keep your legs together (that goes for the guys too.)

I also don't need to pay for your failing business, and if the failure was the result of your fraud, I'm perfectly okay with the idea of putting you in jail.

So yes, I do think it's possible to be a social liberal without ballooning the welfare state. The trick is to separate the idea of "not paying for" the results of a bad decision with "penalizing" it.

Posted by: Farmer Joe at February 04, 2013 12:33 PM (HJsDx)

349
"And what pray tell is the "argument" you are offering? That because Romney lost, that means that Palin ... ? Wait, what is your "argument" again?

Romney lost the unlosable election so how smart should we think he is?"
And that means that Palin...? Huh? That you think Romney is not very smart, and that Palin therefore is, what, not very smart too? Or maybe not so smart but smarter than Romeny, and that means...?
Left: Psychopaths.
Right: Morons.
Middle: Screwed again.

Posted by: doomed at February 04, 2013 12:33 PM (x9s9/)

350 326 One of a few bright spots on an otherwise abysmal election night was Rove's meltdown on Fox. (The other two bright spots would be Ted Cruz and Deb Fisher.)

Yeah.
That was just as embarrassing to watch as"I am not a witch"...or Akin's blunder.

I can't believe anyone is taking Rove seriously after that.

Posted by: wheatie at February 04, 2013 12:33 PM (BZMZX)

351 "You might want to list your accomplishments so that we can judge just how qualified you are to make that sort of assessment."


I didn't run for president in 2012, which makes me awesome!

Posted by: Shoot Me at February 04, 2013 12:34 PM (qiXMt)

352
Imagine that. A football stadium ill-equipped to manage a halftime show.

Green Shoots!

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 04, 2013 12:34 PM (+z4pE)

353 All I'm gleaning from this thread is that LiB is still just an acceptance of reality, rather than advancement of a cause.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal, LiB acknowledger at February 04, 2013 12:34 PM (qKkJ4)

354 You gotta be kidding me.

John McCain tweets a funny joke about how Amadinnerjacket wants to go to space.

So Ahmadinejad wants to be first Iranian in space - wasn't he just there last week? "Iran launches monkey into space"

Justin Amash, renowned loudmouth, tweets:

Maybe you should wisen up & not make racist jokes.

Amash has jumped the fucking shark.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 12:34 PM (piMMO)

355 "(The other two bright spots would be Ted Cruz and Deb Fisher.)"

Both candidates were endorsed and strongly supported by ... Sarah Palin.

Posted by: mrp at February 04, 2013 12:34 PM (HjPtV)

356 My oh my.How emboldened has Karl become.I guess he didn't crunch the numbers of libertarians and conservatives that didn't show up to give Romney the win.I wonder if he even knows why they didn't turn out.
Then again maybe he did and figures round pegging the square hole on bringing over Obama voters to the establishment is the ticket.

Ahh well, no matter.I'm voting any incumbent out who doesn't put fiscal control and protecting our basic rights first and foremost.Everything else is fluff that gets the challenger an extra vote.

Posted by: Drider at February 04, 2013 12:35 PM (HaJD9)

357

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 06, 2012 09:56 AM (x9s9/)
Posted by: weft cut-loop




Lord -- Rainman is back. Just dandy.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 04, 2013 12:35 PM (kdS6q)

358
Left: Psychopaths.
Right: Morons.
Middle: Screwed again.

Posted by: doomed at February 04, 2013 12:33 PM (x9s9/)

Are you a moby? >_> I think you're a moby.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal, LiB acknowledger at February 04, 2013 12:35 PM (qKkJ4)

359 whats the moron feeling about the anthem sung by Ms Keys? I thought it was too slow, and kind of sung shouted, and impossible for the crowd to sing along to. Still prefer theWhitney Houston in her prime version.

Posted by: thunderb at February 04, 2013 12:35 PM (Dnbau)

360 Which proves you wrong that he was likely. If you can't get out of the primaries, you are not likely.

You do know we're talking about Delaware, yes? And you're vaguely aware that Delaware is a blue state?

The ability to win a primary election has approximately zero point zero ability to predict general election outcome in that scenario. It's like winning the a vote of immediate family members and using those results to declare yourself a contender.

Castle was a RINO, but he was also a lock in the general. He was slated to win the primary too, until the likes of the Alaskan Dunce stepped in because MOMMA GRIZZLY GIRRRL POWER TRUE CONSERVATIVE DURRRR.


Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 04, 2013 12:35 PM (SY2Kh)

361 Posted by: doomed at February 04, 2013 12:24 PM (x9s9/)

Posted by: Samwise Gamgee the 3rd at November 06, 2012 09:56 AM (x9s9/)


Excellent, this troll fuck is trying to work up a Sarah Palin Flame war. Wow, that's pretty bright. I give em credit. Now go the fuck away before you taste some real pain.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 12:35 PM (l86i3)

362 "Wrong. My logic was not flawed, nor did you intelligently articulate any alleged flaw."


That would be because someone else already pointed it out. Your inability to recognize it at the time or when your attention was recalled to it is your problem, not mine.


Actually, your logic is shit. I was being charitable.


The fact that Joe Biden is VP completely nukes your entire shitty argument. And guess what, he's just as able to perform his legislative duties (if need be) or his duty as successor simply because of his ability to fog a mirror.


"So what I'm basically saying, Burn the Witch,is that you are a complete moron.


Posted by: doomed at February 04, 2013 12:24 PM (x9s9/)"



And you're projecting.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 04, 2013 12:36 PM (4c71i)

363 Were they legimate rapes though?


****

They weren't rape-rapes, if that's what you're asking.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 12:36 PM (piMMO)

364 Better question is why tea partiers and tru cons waste their time on the GOP.

Posted by: Dark Ages at February 04, 2013 12:36 PM (Op+RR)

365 Well that is just another way the states cede their powers to the feds. If the states were the only tax collectors and the feds had to beg to get their cut from the state the problem of the fed buying power would be solved.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 04, 2013 12:29 PM (81UWZ)


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I've written my governor and told her that if there was any way of keeping our state's soveriegnty, it would be this. No reply.

States giving DC only the money that it needs to maintain it's Constitutional mandate would be a good start in controlling the federal runaway train. Starve the monster.

Posted by: Soona at February 04, 2013 12:36 PM (z2jDQ)

366 Don't feed the trolls... just sayin'

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 04, 2013 12:36 PM (NTBjC)

367 I thought it was too slow, ...

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I missed it, but they said today it was the longest in history.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 12:37 PM (piMMO)

368 359 -

I turned off the sound. I still cannot fathom the fact that she was announced as a "14-time Grammy award winner."

Posted by: BurtTC at February 04, 2013 12:37 PM (TOk1P)

369 I'm awake and sober enough to watch TV! Gonna get my Sunday drunk on!When's that Super Bowl!

Posted by: Joe Biden at February 04, 2013 12:37 PM (ypzqs)

370 If you can't afford birth control or a kid, keep your legs together (that goes for the guys too.)


That IS the so-con position.

Posted by: chemjeff at February 04, 2013 12:37 PM (m/eXi)

371 I missed it, but they said today it was the longest in history.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 12:37 PM (piMMO)

I detest the ethnic stylings of our national anthem.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 12:39 PM (l86i3)

372
Don't feed the trolls... just sayin'
Posted by: weft cut-loop




Remember how the week before he was banned, he made the Top 10 posters list?

Good times, good times....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 04, 2013 12:39 PM (kdS6q)

373 But I think Romneys plan looked good on paper. So
many activist conservatives were crushed by his selection that the man
power was not availble to pull off the plan.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 12:30 PM (l86i3)


You might be right on that but I'm not sure that conservatives didn't rally behind him as we're continually badgered to do by the likes of Rove who subsequently don't see any reason to reciprocate. Romney tossed us a bone with the Ryan selection; truth be known that was an unexpected gift imo. Trouble is, as other people have stated, there are a lot of fucking deadbeats out there who don't do a fucking thing except vote in elections. Plus Romney turned into McCain after the first debate. Btw for all the piling on I do to Rove, I thought the American Crossroads ads for Romney were pretty fucking good.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 04, 2013 12:39 PM (bLwWr)

374 States giving DC only the money that it needs to maintain it's Constitutional mandate would be a good start in controlling the federal runaway train. Starve the monster.
Posted by: Soona at February 04, 2013 12:36 PM (z2jDQ)


And that right there would be justification enough for this dickhead in the Oval Office to kickstart another Civil War. "XYZ state isn't sending us its income taxes? Just a pittance to cover national defense? WTF is that? I want you to march some people down to their state house and MAKE them hand over their money. Who do they think they are?"

Opinions on the positive or negative nature of this outcome may vary.


It always comes down to the money.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 04, 2013 12:40 PM (4df7R)

375 Left: Psychopaths.
Right: Morons.
Middle: Screwed again.


The middle is too stupid to see that there is a thousands of years old philosophical battle for the future of the US wherein there is no moderate or middle ground to stand. Yet that is where they claim to be. Those who will not take a side. I'm not at all empathetic to their concerns at this point. The middle will reap what fecklessness to freedom has sown.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 04, 2013 12:40 PM (0q2P7)

376 Shit, sorry. I didn't know he was a troll.


I thought I had a pretty good handle on the trolls around here.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 04, 2013 12:40 PM (4c71i)

377 >whats the moron feeling about the anthem sung by Ms Keys?

I can tell in 3 notes whether I will listen or hit MUTE--- I muted Alicia Keys

I need my National Anthem belted out, loud and proud- no extra notes or caterwauling-- a year or so ago I watched the Army-Navy game on TV, and the West Point Glee Club did the Anthem- perfect

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 04, 2013 12:40 PM (8sCoq)

378 Ray Charles rendition of America puts a lump in my throat.

Or used to anyway. Can't imagine it having that effect now.

Posted by: eleven at February 04, 2013 12:40 PM (KXm42)

379 #27 I could have sworn Bin Laden was killed on Obama's watch. My mistake.
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 04, 2013 12:13 PM (wbmaj)


Take heart. You realize your mistake. You are starting to see reality. Who knows, maybe someday you'll swear that 10 trillion of the debt happened in Obama's first 5 years.

You're stupid. It's not your fault and now you're starting to see your own stupidity. The first step weedhopper.

Posted by: Opus An Arcus at February 04, 2013 12:40 PM (l5p7v)

380 I hope sonny boy made Daddy Bush proud by taking out Sadaam Hussein. At what cost and for what.
Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 04, 2013 12:31 PM (wbmaj)

I'd say that a mad dictator making an assassination attemptagainst a former president is as valid a casus belli as you're likely to find anywhere in the history books, regardless of who that former president might be. And then, of course, there was Hussein's complete disregard for the terms of the first gulf war peace terms, his constant violation of the no-fly zone and his daily attempts to shoot down allied aircraft enforcing it, his mad rush to develop WMDs (and he was indeed attempting to start up again), his multi-billion dollar bribery of foreign leaders and UN officials in what became known as the Oil For Food scandal...

Yours is a distorted view of events caused by a bad case of Bush Derangement Syndrome. I prescribe a big dose of Shut The Fuck Up until you're over it.

Posted by: troyriser at February 04, 2013 12:41 PM (vtiE6)

381 "Wait, what is your "argument" again?

Posted by: doomed at February 04, 2013 12:10 PM (x9s9/)

What is yours? You keep harping on her, while telling others to stop talking about her....Posted by: KG at February 04, 2013 12:33 PM (p7BzH)"Holy crap, this is what I'm talking about. "You keep harping on her." Huh? I made ONE post, and then have responded to various unintelligible "responses" to my post. "While telling others to stop talking about her." No, I didn't - I said I couldn't understand whyso manypeople keep supporting her after she's demonstrated umpteen times that she's a complete dolt.You can talk about her allyou want.

Posted by: doomed at February 04, 2013 12:41 PM (x9s9/)

382 >I thought I had a pretty good handle on the trolls around here.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 04, 2013 12:40 PM (4c71i)


They're dicks.

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 04, 2013 12:41 PM (8sCoq)

383 Just ignore doomed, he is a troll.

Posted by: KG at February 04, 2013 12:41 PM (p7BzH)

384 Ron Paul just tweeted, re Kyle, "Those who live by the sword..."

That fucker can't be POTUS so he's going to make sure that he fucks over Rand too by reminding us of his proximity to teh crazy.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 12:41 PM (piMMO)

385 377 >whats the moron feeling about the anthem sung by Ms Keys?

I can tell in 3 notes whether I will listen or hit MUTE--- I muted Alicia Keys

I need my National Anthem belted out, loud and proud- no extra notes or caterwauling-- a year or so ago I watched the Army-Navy game on TV, and the West Point Glee Club did the Anthem- perfect

---

The only use I have for Ms. Keys is when she's dressed like a hooker in Smokin' Aces.

Don't like her singing and don't like her, but she looks good in slutware and a long straight-hair wig.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 04, 2013 12:42 PM (e0xKF)

386 Yes , Rove and Nordlinger supported Cruz while Perry supported Dewhurst but that's just an exception.


Cruzwas critical of Perry for prez while Dewhurst endorsed.

Posted by: joanne at February 04, 2013 12:42 PM (Cjcon)

387 Wha...establishment? There is none. That's just a kooky conspiracy theory. At least that's what some blogger keeps claiming.

Posted by: MadisonConservative at February 04, 2013 12:42 PM (Y/HG5)

388 Better question is why tea partiers and tru cons waste their time on the GOP.

Posted by: Dark Ages at February 04, 2013 12:36 PM (Op+RR)

because it is the only vehicle available .as the progressives did with dems.

Posted by: ette at February 04, 2013 12:42 PM (nqBYe)

389 I can't believe anyone is taking Rove seriously after that.



Posted by: wheatie at February 04, 2013 12:33 PM (BZMZX)


For some reason, he knows how to appeal to the swells who have more money than sense.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 04, 2013 12:42 PM (bLwWr)

390 maybe Palin wouldn't win a debate, but her political policyinstincts are dead on, she's a verbal sniper when she needs to be, and I trust her. There are very very few of these "smart" guys I can say that about

Trust is the major issue with conseratives who have been burned by a succession of politicians misrepresenting their stand at election time and then voting differently once they arrive in Washington. The base has very good reasons to mistrust the establishment.

Posted by: Decaf at February 04, 2013 12:43 PM (NmvvV)

391 Shit, sorry. I didn't know he was a troll.


I thought I had a pretty good handle on the trolls around here.

****

If he used his other handle, Jordan, you'd have caught it.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 12:43 PM (piMMO)

392 My apathy towards this year's Super Bowl can be noted by the fact that I completely forgot it was on. Heh. Then I woke up this morning and learned that the despised Ravens won the damn thing. Lord I hate that team; they're second only to the Jets on my list of despised franchises.

It sounds like I didn't miss much RE: the anthem and the half-time show, though, so that's good. Here's a question: was Beyonce at least better than the Black Eyed Peas were a few years back? My ears STILL bleed when I think about that godawful performance.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 04, 2013 12:43 PM (4df7R)

393 "Castle was a RINO, but he was also a lock in the general. He was slated
to win the primary too, until the likes of the Alaskan Dunce stepped in
because MOMMA GRIZZLY GIRRRL POWER TRUE CONSERVATIVE DURRRR."

Wow. That was an impressive post. Conservative Delaware primary voters hated Castle more than they cared about winning the general. That's the message, Hollowpoint. That's the message signed sealed and delivered to every GOP incumbent who places his/her interests above the interests of the constituents. Sarah Palin understands this simple fact. You don't.

Posted by: mrp at February 04, 2013 12:43 PM (HjPtV)

394 lol@"far right"

straight-shootin' reporting

Posted by: JDP at February 04, 2013 12:43 PM (60GaT)

395 Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 04, 2013 12:35 PM (SY2Kh)

Ah, so nice of you to reveal yourself. And your argument is fucking stupid. HE LOST, get the fuck over it.

Posted by: KG at February 04, 2013 12:43 PM (p7BzH)

396 Sexy Pig is right. Rove bombed lasy election and he needs a scapegoat or people will stop hiring him. He already lost the job at Fox, right?

Posted by: thunderb at February 04, 2013 12:43 PM (Dnbau)

397 This isn't just a battle with the Tea Party, it's also a shot across the bow of the Club for Growth. The CfG is pretty damned good at picking the most fiscally prudent candidate and throwing money at them. Their ads are virtually always issue ads and they bring the facts.

Posted by: spongeworthy at February 04, 2013 12:43 PM (r5w1L)

398 Oh, and the cynic in me says they told Ray Lewis they were going to zoom in on his face during the National Anthem, and strongly suggested he mouth the words so it would help with his image rehabilitation.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 04, 2013 12:43 PM (TOk1P)

399 Also, Whitney Houston set the bar very high, as far as pop stars singing the Anthem... I haven't heard a version as powerful as hers since

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 04, 2013 12:43 PM (8sCoq)

400 so-con position doesn't say contraceptives or abortions are impossible, just that you don't start with that. You start with personal responsibility.

The reason this line fails (in general) is twofold:
1. Media works against social conservatives. Has for years. They play a losing battle there.
2. Social Conservative positions regarding money are highly inconsistent vis-a-vis the standing on personal responsibility. This is historical baggage that social conservatives have not properly dealt with. Thus in the mind of the people, so-cons are rich prigs. Problem is, they're not rich, and few actually are prigs even those that really do insist on sexual morays.

Posted by: RiverC at February 04, 2013 12:44 PM (El+h4)

401 @Jones

I am a flaming heterosexual male and I honestly find Beyonce completely unappealing. I don't understand the attraction at all.



Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at February 04, 2013 12:44 PM (EZl54)

402 Alicia Keyes is the Chris Angel of Norah Jones.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 04, 2013 12:44 PM (+z4pE)

403
One aspect of these attacks on "Tea Party Canditates" even when the failed candidates are not tea party backed, is that the whole notion of We The People is what is really being attacked. The founding fathers envisioned a citizen legislature.Regular people who would serve for a limited timeand then go back to their lives. Hell, Congress was a part time legislature for a long time because of the difficulty of travel back in the late 18th and early 19th century.
The very idea that all candidates MUST have prior political experience undermines We The People. Until conservatives stop attacking people like Christine O'Donnell and Todd Akin because they're embarrassedby them we aren't We The People. Yes, we will end up with idiots elected to office. So what? There are a lot of Harvard and Yale educated idiots with long political resumes. Why are they better than an everyman or woman?Was it William F.Buckley who said he'd rather be governed by the first 100 names in the Boston phone book thanby a bunch of Harvard grads? Something like that. That's the American ideal. Imperfect as it is it's still better than any other political system in the history ofmankind.Stop attacking it. Defend it.

Posted by: Jaynie59 at February 04, 2013 12:44 PM (4zKCA)

404
BTW, speaking of the insanity of even Republicans taking a swipe at the Tea Party, I caught the tail end of the movie "Idiocracy" a day or two ago. Maybe it's not as prescient as Atlas Shrugged, but I was struck by how much more things resemble the future portrayed in that movie than they did just a few years ago.

Just compare the mindless reiteration of the Brondo slogans in the movie to how Global Warming is talked about. Or how the idea of the formerly Average Joe to try "watering the plants to make them grow" was viewed as "radical";in an analagous way tohow the obvious, common-sense approach of fiscal conservatives towards the economy are received today.

Then I saw the Super Bowl, where a family-rated event has been totally "sexed up", even more than usual, and it reminded me of the sex-obsessed future in the movie. Yikes.

Posted by: Optimizer at February 04, 2013 12:45 PM (Mxt9o)

405 That IS the so-con position.

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Well, that's one place where the so- con and the fis- con positions happen to converge. There are probably a lot more.

But, I also think that if you can afford an abortion, go for it. It doesn't make me happy, but I'm not looking to outlaw it.

Posted by: Farmer Joe at February 04, 2013 12:45 PM (HJsDx)

406 "Social Conservative positions regarding money are highly inconsistent vis-a-vis the standing on personal responsibility"

no

Posted by: JDP at February 04, 2013 12:45 PM (60GaT)

407
Left: Anyone who criticizes Obama is a troll.
Right: Anyone who criticizes Palin is a troll.

Posted by: doomed at February 04, 2013 12:45 PM (x9s9/)

408 I hope sonny boy made Daddy Bush proud by taking out Sadaam Hussein. At what cost and for what.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 04, 2013 12:31 PM (wbmaj)


hmm i imagine you feel the same way about libya? mali? syria? africa?
at what cost or gain?

interesting panetta said a few days ago, go after alqueaa whereever they are AGAIN
remember those words?
now you don't mind right?

Posted by: ette at February 04, 2013 12:45 PM (nqBYe)

409 I thought I had a pretty good handle on the trolls around here.
Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 04, 2013 12:40 PM (4c71i)


it keeps changing it's nic

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 04, 2013 12:45 PM (9Bj8R)

410 "We're betrayed again!"

Thought that needed to get out there.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - there on Thunder Island! at February 04, 2013 12:45 PM (hLRSq)

411 Posted by: Jaynie59 at February 04, 2013 12:44 PM (4zKCA)

Well said, Very well said.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 12:45 PM (l86i3)

412 The middle is too stupid to see that there is a thousands of years old philosophical battle for the future of the US wherein there is no moderate or middle ground to stand.

---

My understanding is that a good portion of the country was in the middle during the American Revolution. This makes sense as most people just prefer to avoid conflict. The colonies and our country has been in an ideological battle throughout its history.The question is why people think the present should be different than the past.

Posted by: SH at February 04, 2013 12:46 PM (gmeXX)

413 >>>Better question is why tea partiers and tru cons waste their time on the GOP.

All sorts of nu and interesting socks today. The US by construct is a two party system. The very best that you can hope for is to make a new party by killing an old one. But by splitting off, both parties the new and the old will have multiple defeats over multiple cycles. If we started today, we would cede the house majority to the Dems, who would likely also get back a filibuster proof super-majority in the Senate, and we would be LUCKY to get a viable candidate for 2016. That's a big price to pay.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 04, 2013 12:46 PM (0q2P7)

414 182
>>>Also, SoCon idiocy is almost always what sinks these candidates.

Angle , lost because of SoCon Issues?
Joe Miller lost because of SoCon issues?


Pretty
much you are bringing up the singular example of COD and running with
it as a case in point when COD had a lot of flaws. It's not nor has it
been the case that tea party candidates have made social issues big
parts of their platform.



Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches

Yes, Sharon Angle talked openly about bringing back Prohibition on alcohol. Yes, she was both a nut and a SoCon nut.
Ken Buck in Colorado proudly declared he was for criminalizing abortion even in cases of rape as a Senate candidate. Christine O'Donnell wanted a national conversation about the evils of masturbation. Then there's Mourdock and Akin. Joe Miller lost just because he was an idiot, plain and simple.

My point is, all of these "outsiders" run as Tea Party candidates, and they usually lose through some combination of inexperience and SoCon nuttery.

Please tell me how these Tea Party losses advance the case for conservatism? All I see is more liberal Democrats being elected and the GOP looking like they're a bunch of clowns.

Posted by: McAdams at February 04, 2013 12:46 PM (b+B3L)

415 Jessica Ngiri posted this pic on Facebook. It should perk up the Moron Horde on this post Super Bowl Monday.

http://tinyurl.com/abdtvdw

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 04, 2013 12:46 PM (vN8uH)

416 Also, Whitney Houston set the bar very high, as far as pop stars singing the Anthem... I haven't heard a version as powerful as hers since
Posted by: Jones in CO at February 04, 2013 12:43 PM (8sCoq)



Sorry you missed mine.

Posted by: Carl Lewis at February 04, 2013 12:46 PM (l5p7v)

417 Wow. That was an impressive post. Conservative Delaware primary voters
hated Castle more than they cared about winning the general. That's the
message, Hollowpoint.


Damn you, face! I'll show you!

*cuts off own nose*

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 04, 2013 12:47 PM (SY2Kh)

418 396 Sexy Pig is right. Rove bombed last election and he needs a scapegoat or people will stop hiring him. He already lost the job at Fox, right?

No, he's still there at Fox.

And that makes perfect sense about him needing a 'scapegoat'.

Posted by: wheatie at February 04, 2013 12:47 PM (BZMZX)

419 Given the statements by Amash and Paul, I think the problem in the party might be the self-professed libertarians.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 04, 2013 12:47 PM (T0NGe)

420 McAdams is a false-flagger, pretty sure

Posted by: JDP at February 04, 2013 12:47 PM (60GaT)

421 No no, doomed. You're wrong.

LEFT: Anyone who demonizes Obama is a troll.
RIGHT: Anyone who's a fucking mouthbreathing dipshit is a troll.

See how that works?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 04, 2013 12:48 PM (4df7R)

422 McAdams is a false-flagger, pretty sure

Posted by: JDP at February 04, 2013 12:47 PM (60GaT)

Agreed, lots of those today.

Posted by: KG at February 04, 2013 12:48 PM (p7BzH)

423 @Jones

"14-time Grammy award winner."

like Arafat and Obama's Nobels ...

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at February 04, 2013 12:48 PM (EZl54)

424 And someone actually has the gall to stand up for Mike Castle while regurgitating the usual mindless slander against Sarah Palin.

That someone has really gone off the rails, I see.

Posted by: MadisonConservative at February 04, 2013 12:48 PM (Y/HG5)

425 >I am a flaming heterosexual male and I honestly find Beyonce completely unappealing. I don't understand the attraction at all.


Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at February 04, 2013 12:44 PM (EZl54)


Good for you.

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 04, 2013 12:49 PM (8sCoq)

426 Oh that's Jordan? How the fuck did I not recognize that?



I'm slipping.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 04, 2013 12:49 PM (4c71i)

427 Christine O'Donnell wanted a national conversation about the evils of masturbation

From my cold, dead.....errr, wait.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at February 04, 2013 12:49 PM (NF2Bf)

428 "Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 04, 2013 12:47 PM (SY2Kh)"

Well, lucky you. We went with a moderate dipshit just like Castle in both 2008 and 2012. How're those "electable" candidates working out for you?

Posted by: MadisonConservative at February 04, 2013 12:49 PM (Y/HG5)

429 Too bad about Amy Winehouse. She was the only talent left in the genre.


Beyonce is a fraud.

Posted by: eleven at February 04, 2013 12:50 PM (KXm42)

430 I guess I better start practicing 'sieg heil' we're going down the toilet and the swirl just kicked up to turbo.

Posted by: Mrs Compton at February 04, 2013 12:50 PM (dX4hn)

431 >>>The question is why people think the present should be different than the past.

The present is different than the past. Comparing voting for freedom and responsibility against armed insurrection against the most powerful nation in the world...completely different.

At the time of the founding, the adherence to freedom's principal was so strong that now Socialist* New York, would not then join the union under the Constitution without the bill of rights. We've come a long long way from those days politically.


*Maybe Fascist.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 04, 2013 12:50 PM (0q2P7)

432 419

hardcore libertarians who want to cut a kajillion dollars in spending immediately and think it wouldn't have a massive impact are generally living in their own philosophical fantasy world

Posted by: JDP at February 04, 2013 12:50 PM (60GaT)

433 >Jessica Ngiri posted this pic on Facebook. It should perk up the Moron Horde on this post Super Bowl Monday.


I don't know who she is but it has a good beat and you can dance to it. 87.

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 04, 2013 12:50 PM (8sCoq)

434 Damn you, face! I'll show you!*cuts off own nose*
Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 04, 2013 12:47 PM (SY2Kh)


So Hollowpoint, just to be clear, you would prefer the constituents elect someone they don't like, who they know doesn't represent their views, and who they can count on to frustrate them when he reaches the Senate, just because he happens to have a familiar name and calls himself a Republican. Correct?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 04, 2013 12:51 PM (4df7R)

435 We need a post about how some on the right have gone off the fucking deep end today.

Ron Paul insults Chris Kyle

Justn Amash tosses out the "racism" charge against McCain.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 12:51 PM (piMMO)

436 Also, Whitney Houston set the bar very high, as far as pop stars singing the Anthem... I haven't heard a version as powerful as hers since

----

The difference between the two anthems is quite striking, and probably a reflection on the times. If I recall, Whitney belted it out, adorned in red/white/blue and sang it with a patriotic flair (whether lip synched or not is really not material). Last night, it was slow, performed while sitting, more "artisty." Not really sung to allow others to sing to it.

Neeless to say, I prefer Whitney's version. Though, the Chicago Blackhawks always do a great National anthem.

Posted by: SH at February 04, 2013 12:51 PM (gmeXX)

437 Privatize the sidewalks!

Posted by: Hardcore libertarians at February 04, 2013 12:51 PM (NF2Bf)

438 428

Romney did not lose cuz he was too "moderate"

sometimes i wish we could've just sent Newt, Santorum, whoever to lose and shut up this "RINOs omg" meme once and for all. lazy thinking.

Posted by: JDP at February 04, 2013 12:52 PM (60GaT)

439 432 -

"generally living in their own philosophical fantasy world"

Aka: smoking weed.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 04, 2013 12:52 PM (TOk1P)

440 nd that right there would be justification enough for this dickhead in the Oval Office to kickstart another Civil War. "XYZ state isn't sending us its income taxes? Just a pittance to cover national defense? WTF is that? I want you to march some people down to their state house and MAKE them hand over their money. Who do they think they are?


They might get to Austin. No guarantees that they'd get out.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 04, 2013 12:52 PM (GFM2b)

441 Oh that's Jordan? How the fuck did I not recognize that?
I'm slipping.

Posted by: Burn the Witch


No, not Jordan. Jordan was consistent. This prick thinks that changing his nic will confuse us.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 04, 2013 12:52 PM (NTBjC)

442 so when Rove cuts off his own nose ?

does that work?

Posted by: ette at February 04, 2013 12:52 PM (nqBYe)

443 Neeless to say, I prefer Whitney's version. Though, the Chicago Blackhawks always do a great National anthem.
Posted by: SH at February 04, 2013 12:51 PM (gmeXX)

How about have the Marine corp band play and the crowd sing.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 12:52 PM (l86i3)

444 i mean Romney _was_ moderate on select issues. it's just not an explanation for his loss.

Posted by: JDP at February 04, 2013 12:52 PM (60GaT)

445 "Wrong. My logic was not flawed, nor did you intelligently articulate any alleged flaw."


That would be because someone else already pointed it out. Your inability to recognize it at the time or when your attention was recalled to it is your problem, not mine."HILARIOUS. You can't even articulate the alleged flaw. Could you perchance identify the "somebody else" who "already pointed it out"? YOU AREA BRAIN DEAD HACK. You are completely interchangeable with a hardcore leftwing nutjob, just with different talking points. FU

Posted by: doomed at February 04, 2013 12:52 PM (x9s9/)

446 "We need a post about how some on the right have gone off the fucking deep end today. Ron Paul insults Chris Kyle..."
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 12:51 PM (piMMO)

Ron Paul is not 'far right'. He occupies his own very special place on the political spectrum, somewhere between Fringe and Batshit Crazy.

Posted by: troyriser at February 04, 2013 12:53 PM (vtiE6)

447 Ron Paul insults Chris Kyle Justn Amash tosses out the "racism" charge against McCain.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 12:51 PM (piMMO)


Ron Paul can go fuck himself, the raisiny old turd.

And I'm sure I should know who he is, but who the hell is Justin Amash? I don't want to Google it in case he's a complete douchenozzle.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 04, 2013 12:53 PM (4df7R)

448 You should use more capital letters. It makes the point much more effective.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at February 04, 2013 12:53 PM (NF2Bf)

449 Given the statements by Amash and Paul, I think the problem in the party might be the self-professed libertarians.

***

Amash screamed about how true conservatives were being kicked out of committees yet his own record with the ACU was only in the high 80s. Now, he has lost it.

Only Ron Paul's comment will distract from his bullshit, for the moment, then, he needs to be nailed. And hard.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 12:54 PM (piMMO)

450 *giggle* doomed is getting prickly now. Hee! He doesn't like being poked with sticks!

*poke*

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 04, 2013 12:54 PM (4df7R)

451 Amash is one of the "purged" conservatives by Boehner that some people were up in arms about recently, although you got the sense that it was more a ritual "RINO"-burning than based in any support for the guy

Posted by: JDP at February 04, 2013 12:54 PM (60GaT)

452
420McAdams is a false-flagger, pretty sure

Possibly, but don't discount the fact that thereis still a group of exceptionally stupid republicans lurking around. They are genuinely right wing, however they get the bulk of their information from the left.

Posted by: jwest at February 04, 2013 12:55 PM (ZDsRL)

453 Well glad that picture added some bounce to Jones in CO on this Monday.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 04, 2013 12:55 PM (vN8uH)

454 i mean Romney _was_ moderate on select issues. it's just not an explanation for his loss.
Posted by: JDP


Don't bother. Romney was as moderate as a candidate gets. There's no point prevaricating now.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 04, 2013 12:56 PM (NTBjC)

455 Possibly, but don't discount the fact that thereis still a group of exceptionally stupid republicans lurking around.

What the hell are you talking about?

Posted by: Chuck Hagel at February 04, 2013 12:56 PM (NF2Bf)

456 Thanks, JDP! I knew I recognized the name.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 04, 2013 12:56 PM (4df7R)

457 A false flagger?

If I wanted Democrats to win, wouldn't I say "full speed ahead" with unelectable candidates? I would want as many dingbats as possible to win the nominations so they could be crushed.

You do understand liberals aren't scared of candidates like Christine O'Donnell and Sharon Angle, right?

That's the problem with modern conservatism, far more interested in settling petty scores in their own camp than they are actually winning elections and governing.

Posted by: McAdams at February 04, 2013 12:56 PM (b+B3L)

458 452

yeah i just recall that hash being used to troll under diff. names prior to the election, unless i'm confusing it with something else.

Posted by: JDP at February 04, 2013 12:56 PM (60GaT)

459 435...Ron Paul insults Chris Kyle

I'm still gobsmacked at the stupidity of that insult, NDH.

"Die by the sword"...?
Chris Kyle wasn't in a combat situation...he was betrayed by a guy that he'd been trying to help.

Posted by: wheatie at February 04, 2013 12:56 PM (BZMZX)

460 How about have the Marine corp band play and the crowd sing.

----

Fine. The anthem should be sung at a moderate to fast pace and loud. I find that the best singers are never the famous. But i'm sure there is a singer in all of the armed forces who would do an awesome job.

Posted by: SH at February 04, 2013 12:56 PM (gmeXX)

461 mmhmm

Posted by: JDP at February 04, 2013 12:56 PM (60GaT)

462 @RonPaul Chris Kyle's death seems to confirm that "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword."

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 04, 2013 12:56 PM (8sCoq)

463 I'm probably late to the party with this, but I had to comment on this:

>Heh. Guess what HP Romney lost. I don't think we would have done worse with Tpaw, or Perry.

You may be right about Perry, but Tim Pawlenty is to the left of Mitt Romney. He is *not* a conservative and would have been a shitty candidate. In fact, as a Missourian transplanted to Minnesota under his Governorship, I would have to say that Missouri Dem Governor Jay Nixon is probably just to the right of Tim Pawlenty. That said, Tim Pawlenty is a nice guy, but a conservative he is not.

Posted by: DanInMN at February 04, 2013 12:57 PM (XqeyF)

464 "Ron Paul is not 'far right'. He occupies his own very special place on the political spectrum, somewhere between Fringe and Batshit Crazy."

The xenophobic, America First crowd has been around a long time.

Posted by: Jean at February 04, 2013 12:57 PM (qjFNd)

465 "That's the problem with modern conservatism, far more interested in
settling petty scores in their own camp than they are actually winning
elections and governing."

hmmm yes, quite. quite

Posted by: JDP at February 04, 2013 12:57 PM (60GaT)

466 >>>Damn you, face! I'll show you!
*cuts off own nose*

Right accept in this case the face is the republican party routinely stomps on us, insults us, marginalizes us, and then acts as a facilitator for socialism, and has made it clear they are in no way under our agency or heedful of our desires.

So yes I can see your allegory, just like a face. EXACTLY.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 04, 2013 12:57 PM (0q2P7)

467 Ron Paul is not 'far right'. He occupies his own very special place on the political spectrum, somewhere between Fringe and Batshit Crazy.


****

I never said "far right", but he's not left either.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 12:58 PM (piMMO)

468 @RonPaul Chris Kyle's death seems to confirm that "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword."
Posted by: Jones in CO at February 04, 2013 12:56 PM (8sCoq)


In other words, "Everyone who has ever been a member of the Armed Forces should just go ahead and die violently. It's the inevitable result of America's Imperialist activities."

This is what folks mean when they say Ron Paul is a whackjob.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 04, 2013 12:58 PM (4df7R)

469 "My understanding is that a good portion of the country was in the middle during the American Revolution. This makes sense as most people just prefer to avoid THINKING."
****

Changed it a bit.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 04, 2013 12:59 PM (uhftQ)

470 BUT IZ HE RONG?????

/ronulans

Posted by: JDP at February 04, 2013 12:59 PM (60GaT)

471 Ron Paul needs a big tall glass of Shut-The-Fuck-Up

Posted by: thunderb at February 04, 2013 12:59 PM (Dnbau)

472 >This is what folks mean when they say Ron Paul is a whackjob.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 04, 2013 12:58 PM (4df7R)

yeah that's a pretty fucked up thing for Ron Paul to tweet

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 04, 2013 01:00 PM (8sCoq)

473 @RonPaul Chris Kyle's death seems to confirm that "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword."

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 04, 2013 12:56 PM (8sCoq)

The stupid...

Posted by: KG at February 04, 2013 01:00 PM (p7BzH)

474 That's the problem with modern conservatism, far more interested in settling petty scores in their own camp than they are actually winning elections and governing.
Posted by: McAdams at February 04, 2013 12:56 PM (b+B3L)


So "campaigning for and trying to elect candidates who at least attempt to articulate and endorse my values, instead of electing oily-tongued 'Republicans' who can be counted upon to fold to the leftists like a cheap suit the second things get tough," is now considered a "petty score" to be settled, eh? Good to know.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 04, 2013 01:01 PM (4df7R)

475 Amash is one of the "purged" conservatives by Boehner that some people were up in arms about recently, although you got the sense that it was more a ritual "RINO"-burning than based in any support for the guy


****

I never understood the outcry, and Amash whined like a little girl when it happened.

Well, congrats, Justin, you finally got your dig in on McCain.

(What a fucking moron!)

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 01:01 PM (piMMO)

476 >So, the same donor group that closed ranks behind Mitt Romney and helped shut out credible challengers<

There were "credible challengers" to Mitt Romney?

Honestly, I don't believe anyone proved themselves as "credible" on a national level.

We can argue that perhaps a better selection of primary candidates may have been available. But I frankly think we did the best with what we were given. Nobody else proved they could garner the amount of national vote Romney did.

And I believe that in certain races we (that would be all party members "we") lost control and engaged in fratricide. That ended as fratricide always does- to our detriment.

So at this point' I''ll conclude this is a welcome development.

Posted by: Marcus at February 04, 2013 01:01 PM (GGCsk)

477 Ron Paul is right-wing but represents the Taft ideology in foreign policy, which despite paleoconservatives trying to represent as "true" conservative foreign policy was soundly defeated a looooong time ago.

Posted by: JDP at February 04, 2013 01:01 PM (60GaT)

478 Ron Paul is not 'far right'. He occupies his own very special place on the political spectrum

...the Van Oort Cloud.

Posted by: t-bird at February 04, 2013 01:01 PM (FcR7P)

479 Northeastern Republicans are desperate to make Republicans everywhere as successful as they are.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 04, 2013 01:01 PM (IS2o0)

480
If you see Jordan (if you see Jordan)
He makes me sick (he makes me sick)
Fuck you Jordan (fuck you Jordan)
You make me sick (you makes me sick)
High school's over (high school's over)
I don't care if you dye your hair
you'll always be a little red haired bitch




*Apologies if Jordan is not a little red haired bitch

Posted by: My GF has big boobies at February 04, 2013 01:02 PM (F6KtL)

481 The problem is money: The establishment has the big
fundraisers in their camp and the Tea Party and its sympathizers can't
bring that kind of cash to the table. Come up with the dough and people
will start paying more attention to you.


Posted by: joncelli at February 04, 2013 11:48 AM (RD7QR)

Well, here in Canada, the Conservative Party, which forms a majority government right now that is doing good things, gets nearly ALL its financial support from the grass roots. And the Liberal Party, which governed for years, and the far-left NDP, which has (thankfully) never formed a national government, get most of their money from big business and unions, respectively.Point is, you don't NEED the big fundraisers if you can get ordinary folks, in huge numbers, to cut you a check. And a government that gets elected from such a support base doesn't wind up owing favors to a bunch of bundlers. Win win.
The Tea Party ought to morph itself into an actual party, call it the "Constitutional Party" and contest elections. And play hardball. "If you don't support the Constitution, you aren't American."

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 04, 2013 01:02 PM (29+x5)

482 Why doesn't Luap Nor go on tour with Westboro. Get a double helping of stupid hate.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 04, 2013 01:02 PM (vN8uH)

483 @RonPaul Chris Kyle's death seems to confirm that "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword."


While he is misquoting,what does old Ronnie Goldbug have to say about serving God and mammon?


Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at February 04, 2013 01:02 PM (EZl54)

484 Amash is one of the "purged" conservatives by
Boehner that some people were up in arms about recently, although you
got the sense that it was more a ritual "RINO"-burning than based in any
support for the guy


Posted by: JDP at February 04, 2013 12:54 PM (60GaT)


I wasn't up in arms about because of who or what they were; but for when it was done. Boehner had all year to make sure he had the people he wanted in place for big votes and then, like a fucking rummy on a mega-bender, he does it in the eleventh hour so the MFM can write about "OMG Disorganization in the GOP" to distract from the fact that the Indonesian and Pederast hadn't brought a fucking thing to the table.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 04, 2013 01:03 PM (bLwWr)

485 Ron Paul is pandering to his zealots, blames America first in foreign policy, is no friend to our troops, and sees a Jew behind every problem. I think we can find fiscal hawks who are not insane.

Fuck him.

Posted by: thunderb at February 04, 2013 01:03 PM (Dnbau)

486 384
Ron Paul just tweeted, re Kyle, "Those who live by the sword..."



That fucker can't be POTUS so he's going to make sure that he fucks over Rand too by reminding us of his proximity to teh crazy.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 12:41 PM (piMMO)


You are friggin' kidding me?!!?!?

Posted by: Tami at February 04, 2013 01:03 PM (X6akg)

487 Not to undermine the one ad people seemed to like last night, but on what day did God create the farm subsidy?

Posted by: SH at February 04, 2013 01:03 PM (gmeXX)

488 So Hollowpoint, just to be clear, you would prefer the constituents
elect someone they don't like, who they know doesn't represent their
views, and who they can count on to frustrate them when he reaches the
Senate, just because he happens to have a familiar name and calls
himself a Republican. Correct?


If you are represented by an elected official you can no longer support, the correct response is to run and back a credible, electable candidate who can replace him.

Guaranteeing that someone even worse, who you dislike even more takes his place? Incorrect response.

If you are a True Conservative in a blue state, it's a given that your Senator is unlikely to perfectly represent your views. Representative democracy is a bitch that way. Stamping your feet and demanding a pony won't change that.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 04, 2013 01:04 PM (SY2Kh)

489 Ron Paul needs to die of ass-cancer in a fire.

Posted by: toby928© at February 04, 2013 01:04 PM (QupBk)

490 Let's have fewer Christine O'Donnells and more Carly Fiorinas!

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 04, 2013 01:04 PM (IS2o0)

491 Yes, by all means we should only nominate the purest Conservative Republicans even though we know they'll lose and Democrats will then finish destroying the country. Good plan. But at least you can sleep well at night knowing that you stuck by your "principles."

Posted by: doomed at February 04, 2013 01:05 PM (x9s9/)

492 Here's the full tweet:

Ron Paul ‏@RonPaul

Chris Kyle's death seems to confirm that "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword." Treating PTSD at a firing range doesn't make sense

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 04, 2013 01:05 PM (8sCoq)

493
Not for nothing, but if you consider yourself a conservative you should think about this when attacking Republican candidates who embarrass you: Hank Johnson won reelection to his Congressional seat with 75% of the vote AFTER he expressed his profound concern that the presense of theAmerican military may cause the island of Guam to tip over. Actually, I think it was closer to 80% but I'm too lazy to go look it up.
And you can't defend Sarah Palin when she's accused of inciting mass murder, including that of a 9 year old girl? Nuts.

Posted by: Jaynie59 at February 04, 2013 01:05 PM (4zKCA)

494 Luap Nor has been set to full retard for many years now.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 04, 2013 01:05 PM (uhftQ)

495 Ron Paul didn't tweet that! It was his staffer!

HES NOT RESPONSIBLE!!!

Posted by: Typical Effing LuapNor Crazy at February 04, 2013 01:05 PM (xAtAj)

496 Rand gonna have to throw Ron under the bus, then the Ronulans are going to wig the hell out, and disavow Rand..


I'm sure he's banging his head into a wall right now.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal, LiB acknowledger at February 04, 2013 01:05 PM (qKkJ4)

497 Rove looks Asian to me and this idea seems Greek.

Posted by: Sharron Akin O'Mourdock at February 04, 2013 01:06 PM (pmsMR)

498

I'm sure he's banging his head into a wall right now.


Posted by: Kinley Ardal, LiB acknowledger at February 04, 2013 01:05 PM (qKkJ4)

Rand has already made their heads explode saying an attack on Israel will be treated as an attack on the US.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 04, 2013 01:06 PM (xAtAj)

499 Ron Paul fucked up. I don't think he's grasped it yet, but he will. Thats monumental.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 01:06 PM (l86i3)

500 491 Yes, by all means we should only nominate the purest Conservative Republicans even though we know they'll lose and Democrats will then finish destroying the country. Good plan. But at least you can sleep well at night knowing that you stuck by your "principles."


You're right. Let's paint ourselves up like whores and shill for Scott Brown.

Who will still lose. At least now we can say we sold out all our principles and still lost.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 04, 2013 01:06 PM (IS2o0)

501 When does Uncle Crazy join the Westboro Baptist Church?

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 04, 2013 01:07 PM (bLwWr)

502 Dear God.

RonPaul.com already has a piece about his running in 2016.

He will not be happy until he has destroyed any chances for a Rand presidency/vice-presidency.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 01:08 PM (piMMO)

503 @RonPaul

Chris Kyle's death seems to confirm that "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword."


Better life thru Photoshop is what I always say.

Posted by: Skeets McPreezy at February 04, 2013 01:08 PM (FcR7P)

504 Let's not forget that Sanate candidate from Delaware who had to defend herself as "not a witch"

Posted by: Witch of the West at February 04, 2013 01:08 PM (e8kgV)

505 Conquer and divide?

Man, Obama can't get anything straight.

Posted by: 29Victor at February 04, 2013 01:08 PM (ES9R7)

506
"And you can't defend Sarah Palin when she's accused of inciting mass murder, including that of a 9 year old girl? Nuts."
Who says you can't defend Sarah Palin when she's the subject of scurrilous attacks? But just because she's the subject of scurrilous attacks doesn't make her Presidential material. Get it?

Posted by: doomed at February 04, 2013 01:08 PM (x9s9/)

507
Who will still lose. At least now we can say we sold out all our principles and still lost.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 04, 2013 01:06 PM (IS2o0)

People rally around a true conservative candidate. Love or Hate Mrs. Palin, she filled stadiums. Something that hasn't been seen since. It's hard to follow a moderate. They stand for nothing but the path of least resistance.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 01:09 PM (l86i3)

508 Mr. Rove, we tried it your way with Romney. I held my nose and voted for him even though I had an issue with many of his positions. That said, if you persist in choosing an establishment candidate over a candidate who may actually do some good, I will vote Libertarian. At least they are closer to my values regarding the function of government thanmost establishment Republicans and all Democrats.

Posted by: Bill R. at February 04, 2013 01:09 PM (QnRSM)

509 Captain Hate, re: #482 of mine. GMTA? or should I say JINX!!!

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 04, 2013 01:09 PM (vN8uH)

510 he is unbalanced. Can we shun him now? Disavowed like John Birch by Buckley. Enough

Posted by: thunderb at February 04, 2013 01:09 PM (Dnbau)

511 >>>Chris Kyle's death seems to confirm that "he who lives by the sword dies
by the sword." Treating PTSD at a firing range doesn't make sense

Really Doktor? Is that the learned opinion of an OBGYN? When did you cross specialize in psychiatry?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 04, 2013 01:09 PM (0q2P7)

512 Everyone thinks he/she knows best. We have way too many chiefs and not enough Indians (an old, pre-PC saying).

I don't know what to tell you, except to go back to my question "What would be the expected outcome of this?"

For example, a lot of people have switched their registration to independent rather than Republican. Outcome of this?

1. In closed primary states, you will have no vote in the GOP primary.
2. In open primary states, you will be viewed as a non-party member and your opinion will be even more ignored than it is now.
3. The result of both #1 and #2 will pull the candidates even further to the left, as they will not think they can count on independent conservatives (see results for Romney in last election, when purists of several different stripes stayed home).

One should consider this strategically, if you ask me. And we have people from both the conservative wing and the RINO wing who are all too willing to take their ball and go home.

Posted by: Miss Marple at February 04, 2013 01:10 PM (GoIUi)

513 Rand gonna have to throw Ron under the bus, then the Ronulans are going to wig the hell out, and disavow Rand..


***

The Ronulans were very clear about their stance on Rand in the last election. I listened to several interviews where they said that, even with Rand on the ticket, they would still sit out the race if they couldn't vote for Ron.

Even Rand couldn't sway them to Romney.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 01:10 PM (piMMO)

514 #239

You seem to be listening to a different Sarah Palin than the one I've heard or read. The one I'm familiar with can state the basic principles that are supposed to drive conservatism and explain why they are to be embraced.

Which is a hell of a lot more than the Dems can offer beyond "For the children (that we don't kill in vitro)" and "Free stuff!" Oh, and it's more than I've ever heard offered by Mitt Romney. I've never heard so much as a paragraph from him that suggested he'd ever given serious thought to the basis of his political philosophy. He doesn't appear to have one. He has a business philosophy, which would be fine if he were running for CEO of the US but that office doesn't exist.

Posted by: epobirs at February 04, 2013 01:10 PM (kcfmt)

515 I get the point, but I am concerned about the Dems ladling out money in Kentucky to "just anyone", in order to beat McConnell, so Ashley "Puffy Face" Judd can win the seat.

Posted by: wankette at February 04, 2013 01:11 PM (kSBJy)

516 Not to undermine the one ad people seemed to like last night, but on what day did God create the farm subsidy?

8th day. Just before lunch.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 04, 2013 01:11 PM (GFM2b)

517 >Posted by: doomed at February 04, 2013 01:08 PM (x9s9/)


wow you are obsessed with Sarah Palin. Give it a rest for fuck's sake.

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 04, 2013 01:11 PM (8sCoq)

518 Ron Paul just tweeted, re Kyle, "Those who live by the sword...">>

If I twittered this would be my response.

re Ron Paul "Those who live as a Douche..."

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 04, 2013 01:11 PM (81UWZ)

519 OSP hit the nail on the head.


For the same reason, I think a Hillary run in 2016 is boned. It's tough to rally around a battlecry like "What difference does it make?!"


And aye, Hobojerky, I saw that and my jaw went slack. I keep expecting ZH to post a full-length article about the evils of Paul Jr., but I've yet to see it happen.


It's gonna be hilarious.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal, LiB acknowledger at February 04, 2013 01:11 PM (qKkJ4)

520
NACH!!
So easy and right in front of our noses....
SMITE THE OLD GUARD.....about 10 years too late....but SMITE I SAY!!!!

Posted by: Richard at February 04, 2013 01:11 PM (kCCvE)

521 (CNN) -- I never realized that the conservative media were so eye-poppingly powerful.

So mighty, in fact, that liberal politicians can't seem to stop talking about how they are running roughshod over the country.

My response: Can we please stop the whining?

Posted by: Howard Kurtz at February 04, 2013 01:11 PM (e8kgV)

522 Captain Hate, re: #482 of mine. GMTA? or should I say JINX!!!


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 04, 2013 01:09 PM (vN8uH)


I obviously missed your post but your mind rays are strongly working on me today.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 04, 2013 01:11 PM (bLwWr)

523 473 @RonPaul Chris Kyle's death seems to confirm that "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword."

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 04, 2013 12:56 PM (8sCoq)

The stupid...

Posted by: KG at February 04, 2013 01:00 PM (p7BzH)


In unrelated news, although the stock market is tanking today, Clorox reported very good profits.

Do they make brain bleach? The stuff is not just for visuals.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 04, 2013 01:11 PM (Qxe/p)

524 You are friggin' kidding me?!!?!?

***

Which part?!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 01:12 PM (piMMO)

525 Are we sure this well preternaturally condemned poster of gloom is not in fact a certain media type who wants to invade Palin's Vagenda?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 04, 2013 01:12 PM (vN8uH)

526 "491 Yes, by all means we should only nominate the purest Conservative Republicans even though we know they'll lose and Democrats will then finish destroying the country. Good plan. But at least you can sleep well at night knowing that you stuck by your "principles."


You're right. Let's paint ourselves up like whores and shill for Scott Brown.

Who will still lose. At least now we can say we sold out all our principles and still lost.Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 04, 2013 01:06 PM (IS2o0)"So, you think a "pure" conservative would have beaten Lizzy Warren in MA? Shouldn't you pick a different state where Republicans normally have a chance to win in a regular election?

Posted by: doomed at February 04, 2013 01:13 PM (x9s9/)

527 Wow so Donk Lite can't get passionate to beat Ogabe but can get passionate about the Tea party?

Keep working Karl you may make it so I can't get passionate about the GOP.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 04, 2013 01:13 PM (LRFds)

528
525
Are we sure this well preternaturally condemned poster of gloom is not
in fact a certain media type who wants to invade Palin's Vagenda?


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 04, 2013 01:12 PM (vN8uH)

That would be glorious.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal, LiB acknowledger at February 04, 2013 01:14 PM (qKkJ4)

529 Stock Market gives back everything it took on Friday.

Posted by: Gordon Gekko at February 04, 2013 01:14 PM (e8kgV)

530 Seems there are a multitude of "Establishment Republicans" who long for the post-Hoover days when the GOP were the Washington Generals of American politics. Remember them? Those loveable bumblers who played by the rules while the Harlem (Chicago) Globetrotters ran circles around them, violating every rule of basketball in the process all to the raucous approval of the audience.

I mean, in those good-old days they never, ever won a national election unless the Democrats screwed-up so massively they won by default, but the Establishment types still drew nice salaries and sat every day in plush offices on K Street - while their clients had all the perks of office and none of the responsibility to do, well, much of anything.

The Tea Party did the right thing by trying to take-over the GOP in 2010. To the country's loss, they were unsuccessful. Now it's time to see how many in the TP will do the right thing and see to it that the GOP goes the way of the Whigs with all due haste.

Posted by: DocJ at February 04, 2013 01:14 PM (V20sy)

531 @Ron Paul- can I then infer that he who lives by the pussy dies like one?

Posted by: Marcus at February 04, 2013 01:15 PM (GGCsk)

532 Dow Industrial -112

Posted by: Gordon Gekko at February 04, 2013 01:15 PM (e8kgV)

533 Tammy Bruce is slattering Crazy Uncle's tweet.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 04, 2013 01:15 PM (bLwWr)

534 I detest the ethnic stylings of our national anthem.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 12:39 PM (l86i3)


A singer friend of mine calls the "stylings" of Beyonce and her ilk "ghetto bel canto."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 04, 2013 01:15 PM (zF6Iw)

535 Right accept in this case the face is the republican party routinely
stomps on us, insults us, marginalizes us, and then acts as a
facilitator for socialism, and has made it clear they are in no way
under our agency or heedful of our desires.


What do you expect when your desires consist almost exclusively of that which is either impossible to deliver or leads to electoral defeat?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 04, 2013 01:16 PM (SY2Kh)

536 What do you expect when your desires consist almost exclusively of that which is either impossible to deliver or leads to electoral defeat?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 04, 2013 01:16 PM (SY2Kh)

If that's the case, then why are we bothering?

Posted by: KG at February 04, 2013 01:16 PM (p7BzH)

537 A singer friend of mine calls the "stylings" of Beyonce and her ilk "ghetto bel canto."
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 04, 2013 01:15 PM (zF6Iw)

I love upper crust humor, I'm too much of a hillbilly to make it up but educated enough to understand it.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 01:17 PM (l86i3)

538 In unrelated news, although the stock market is tanking today, Clorox reported very good profits.

Instead of tanking, I like to think of it as a recovery to sustainability.

Posted by: t-bird at February 04, 2013 01:17 PM (FcR7P)

539 This thread? Still?

Someone wake up the Ewok.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 04, 2013 01:17 PM (UOM48)

540 Buckley on his planned expulsion of the John Birch Society from the conservative mainstream.

In the next issue of my magazine, National Review, I published a 5,000-word excoriation of Welch:


How can the John Birch Society be an effective political instrument while it is led by a man whose views on current affairs are, at so many critical points . . . so far removed from common sense? That dilemma weighs on conservatives across America. . . . The underlying problem is whether conservatives can continue to acquiesce quietly in a rendition of the causes of the decline of the Republic and the entire Western world which is false, and, besides that, crucially different in practical emphasis from their own.

sounds very similar to Mr Paul.

Posted by: thunderb at February 04, 2013 01:17 PM (Dnbau)

541 539 This thread? Still?

Someone wake up the Ewok.

---

I think the Ewok is still passed out somewhere, covered in Ted Cruz' trash and his own essence.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 04, 2013 01:18 PM (e0xKF)

542 "That's the problem with modern conservatism, far more interested in
settling petty scores in their own camp than they are actually winning
elections and governing."

President John McCain
President Willard Romney

Posted by: mrp at February 04, 2013 01:18 PM (HjPtV)

543 519 OSP hit the nail on the head.
For the same reason, I think a Hillary run in 2016 is boned. It's tough to rally around a battlecry like "What difference does it make?!"


But the Clintons have used that same sort of dismissiveness before...
They launched the meme of..."So what?"...during BJ Clinton's impeachment.

Liberals love to use that sort of dismissive phrase in their use of moral relativism.

Hillary's chances of winning will depend on who runs against her.
She has no charisma.
If she is running against a charismatic candidate...she will have no chance.

Posted by: wheatie at February 04, 2013 01:18 PM (BZMZX)

544 "517> Posted by: doomed at February 04, 2013 01:08 PM (x9s9/)


wow you are obsessed with Sarah Palin. Give it a rest for fuck's sake.
Posted by: Jones in CO at February 04, 2013 01:11 PM (8sCoq)"So, if someone else makes a point about Palin, no one who is "over" Palin can respond without being "obsessed" with Palin? Am I now doubly "obsessed" for responding to YOUR post about Palin?For the record, before my initial comment today about Palin (triggered by another comment), I don't think I have anywhere at any time every posted anything negative about her. Perhaps YOU are the one obsessed with her, seeing as how you cannot abide any criticism of her whatsoever?

Posted by: doomed at February 04, 2013 01:18 PM (x9s9/)

545 Remember that budget hing that I was supposed to send to Congress by the first Tuesday in February ?

You see .. it's not that I ams a clusterfuck (which I am) but ...
my dog ate my budget

Posted by: Pres**ent Barack “Unexpectedly” Obama at February 04, 2013 01:19 PM (e8kgV)

546 I'm just a fat irrelevant bastard who is 8 years beyond his expiration date.

Posted by: Karl Rove at February 04, 2013 01:19 PM (vYB+W)

547 @JDP

it is, though. I can play the gainsaying game too. Do you want to tell me why not? Yes- fiscally conservative people want people in power to take responsibility for the way they spend money. That's a personal responsibility position. But the so-con position is saddled with the position that those outside of power can do whatever they damn well please with their guns and money.

Whether that's a consistent position vis a vis what the Founders held or not is immaterial; it's an incomplete personal responsibility position and it will have holes poked in it every time. What is the line taken when people are anti-abortion? Opponents point to what happens to the children after they are born.

The trouble is it's a populist approach; it will never stand up to ideological scrutiny (something the media will put any conservative position to 100% of the time) unless it starts with its first principles and takes them seriously. But then it is not really a populist approach anymore, since it wants to establish what it believes first rather than who it wants as its supporters.

Posted by: RiverC at February 04, 2013 01:20 PM (El+h4)

548 "certain media type who wants to invade Palin's Vagenda?"

I would donate a decent sum of money to her husband's, Bearkiller, legal defense fund for hurting that someone publically.

Posted by: Jean at February 04, 2013 01:20 PM (z6Elp)

549
You see .. it's not that I ams a clusterfuck (which I am) but ...
my dog ate my budget
Posted by: Pres**ent Barack “Unexpectedly” Obama at February 04, 2013 01:19 PM (e8kgV)

Then he ate the dog. Double Homework tragedy.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 01:20 PM (l86i3)

550 "What do you expect when your desires consist almost exclusively of that
which is either impossible to deliver or leads to electoral defeat?"

President John McCain
President Willard Romney

Posted by: mrp at February 04, 2013 01:20 PM (HjPtV)

551 Missing the budget?

Eh fuck why bother?

Budgets and laws are so very 20th century.

//Choom Ogabe

Posted by: sven10077 at February 04, 2013 01:20 PM (LRFds)

552 Tammy Bruce is slattering Crazy Uncle's tweet.

Slattering ...nice.


This thread stinks like the inside of a fisherman's boot.

Posted by: Squishy the road skunk at February 04, 2013 01:20 PM (KXm42)

553 Neeless to say, I prefer Whitney's version. Though, the Chicago Blackhawks always do a great National anthem. Posted by: SH at February 04, 2013 12:51 PM (gmeXX)

How about have the Marine corp band play and the crowd sing.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 12:52 PM (l86i3)


How about not playing it at all before sporting events. It cheapens the anthem, IMO.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 04, 2013 01:20 PM (zF6Iw)

554 )"So, you think a "pure" conservative would have beaten Lizzy Warren in MA? Shouldn't you pick a different state where Republicans normally have a chance to win in a regular election?

If Republicans have a chance to win an election, it means they can win with the GOP platform.

It is better to lose and provide a clear distinction than to lose as fucking panderer.

It is a demonstrable fact that your proposed strategy is a failure.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 04, 2013 01:20 PM (u5ozF)

555 This thread? Still?

Someone wake up the Ewok.

***

You missed some Uncle Crazy and Assholio Amash while you were out.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 01:21 PM (piMMO)

556 The natives are getting restive.

Posted by: Squishy the road skunk at February 04, 2013 01:21 PM (KXm42)

557 What do you expect when your desires consist almost exclusively of that
which is either impossible to deliver or leads to electoral defeat?


Hence, LIB.

Posted by: DocJ at February 04, 2013 01:21 PM (V20sy)

558 Posted by: doomed at February 04, 2013 01:18 PM (x9s9/)

That was a nice incoherent rant.
You missed a spot on the window you're licking.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 04, 2013 01:21 PM (Qxe/p)

559 For as long as I can remember, I was a registered Republican. I never heard a peep from the GOP. I tried contacting my local county offce, but they never returned my enails. After the last election, I reregistered as an Independent like many others here have. Now for some reason, I get letters from the GOP all the time. Fuck them.

What bothers me about Rove is when he says he wants to pick candidates that will win. And who will pick them? Rove was telling everyone that Romney would soundly beat teh SCOAMF. His track record is not impressive.

Posted by: Marmo at February 04, 2013 01:21 PM (QW+AD)

560 >Posted by: doomed at February 04, 2013 01:18 PM (x9s9/)

QED

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 04, 2013 01:21 PM (8sCoq)

561 Hillary's chances of winning will depend on who runs against her. She has no charisma. If she is running against a charismatic candidate...she will have no chance.
Posted by: wheatie at February 04, 2013 01:18 PM (BZMZX)


--------------------------------------------------


So, who do we have that fits that bill? It's not snark. I'm just wondering.

Posted by: Soona at February 04, 2013 01:22 PM (z2jDQ)

562 O/T LOL



Just heard Jesse Jackson say an "assault rifle" can shoot down an airplane.





Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 04, 2013 11:57 AM (UOM4





Is it being shot inside the plane? Because I can see that having some unfortunate side effects.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 04, 2013 12:03 PM (VtjlW)


I am sure that it is within the realm of possibility that one could shoot down an airliner or small civilian plane with an assault rifle, if you positioned yourself at the end of the runway on takeoff, and got in a lucky shot that incapacitated the pilot or severed a vital control cable. The fact that we don't see this being done routinely by terrorists suggests that even they don't think the chances of success are very good.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 04, 2013 01:22 PM (29+x5)

563 I got a bad feeling about this.

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright's Sock Puppet at February 04, 2013 01:22 PM (+OTLF)

564 You missed some Uncle Crazy and Assholio Amash while you were out.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 01:21 PM (piMMO)

Yep, we pretty much write our own shit anymore.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 01:22 PM (l86i3)

565 547

i dunno that i get what you're saying. "SoCons" have pretty much the same views on personal responsibility as your average conservative, AFAIK.

Posted by: JDP at February 04, 2013 01:22 PM (60GaT)

566 Double Homework Tragedy <- LOLZ

Posted by: Beefy Meatball at February 04, 2013 01:22 PM (i7B17)

567 Why is Rove still around. He made such an ass of himself last election.
Maybe we should've paid closer attention when his wife dumped him.

Posted by: Iblis at February 04, 2013 01:23 PM (9221z)

568 @JDP

which is?

Posted by: RiverC at February 04, 2013 01:24 PM (El+h4)

569 524
You are friggin' kidding me?!!?!?



***



Which part?!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 01:12 PM (piMMO)


That he actually tweeted that....buy nevermind. Saw it on twitter and he's taking a beating....

Posted by: Tami at February 04, 2013 01:24 PM (X6akg)

570 Maybe we should've paid closer attention when his wife dumped him.
Posted by: Iblis at February 04, 2013 01:23 PM (9221z)

I don't know why, but every time I see his face it screams Pedophile.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 01:24 PM (l86i3)

571 Here is what I usually tell people about Palin, they may make a snide comment when they see her book on my bookshelf.

I just say:

"Look I like her. I have no clue what her political future is or if she will still have one. I know she still has some influence, and hope she can figure out a way to advance the conservative cause. Regardless, I know her worldview and political view is closer to my views than most other politicians. So I would have no trouble voting for her."

That's it. I wish her well. Time to move on. I'm much more excited about the future of Ted Cruz and Rand Paul at this point.

Posted by: SH at February 04, 2013 01:25 PM (gmeXX)

572 554 Bevel L,

I'm coming around to this way of thinking. Conservatives need to start scouting the metro areas for legitimate locals who espouse conservative messages to the voters and point to other success stories as an example. Chicago is a raging five alarm clusterfuck along with Chicago and we have no Conservatives willing to go take the message of 'enough!?!' to those people?

Rove is responsible in part for killing Jack Kemp style efforts to go into the Blue hells and try to pluck the noble pagans from damnation.

Andrew fucking cuomo is trying to coopt fiscal sanity from the NY GOP.

Better to get it out on the table once and for all if voting is now so tribal that citizens would rather burn in hell with their preference than punish their bad actors by crossing over ever.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 04, 2013 01:25 PM (LRFds)

573 @ 567 that peckerwood needs to stick to Lincoln Logs...

Posted by: Clemenza at February 04, 2013 01:25 PM (Q8Pu5)

574 So the extremists in the democrat party that are actually you know extremists communists marxists socialists, they are embraced and given control of the party.

On the other hand, tea partiers....fiscal conservatives that are tired of crap sandwiches we keep being fed by our own party...are suddenly EXTREME and radical cause they want to Not spend more than we take in.

i dont understand whats extreme, but still the Repukelikens want to fight them?

Like i said before the only difference between the cocksucking mother fuckers on the other side and the cocksucking motherfuckers running our party is that the ones on the other side dont lie and say its not gonna hurt when we rape you.

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright's Sock Puppet at February 04, 2013 01:25 PM (+OTLF)

575 Guaranteeing that someone even worse, who you dislike even more takes his place? Incorrect response.

Why? Seriously, why? Because they'll go into office and do the worst possible things, which will have the worst effects? Oh well. If I elect the weak-kneed (R) candidate, he or she will do the exact same thing, but it will take longer and be even more painful as a result.

This isn't a battle; it's a siege. We have been under siege as an ideology and a party for decades; the slow steady march through the institutions. Conservatism is being starved out. The absolute worst thing you can do in that situation is trust a lily-livered fool to parley. "We'd be most pleased if you'd allow us a few head of cattle to feed our starving children. We need the protein, you see."

"You'll get rancid mutton and you'll enjoy it!"

"Well, rancid mutton is better than no mutton at all. Thank you so much."

The only way to overthrow that siege is to get together a party of guerilla groups that can harass and assault the enemy until they're FORCED to split their attention to address the new threat. You want to negotiate AND harass? Fine. A two-pronged mode of attack is good. But you can't keep ceding ground without any kind of retaliation. So what you do is, you keep the best of your negotiators -- the ones who would demand fresh mutton and wouldn't turn back until they'd gotten it -- and throw out the rest. And then you start to feed your best warriors the most nourishing food (or, in this case, funding and a platform on which to speak) to build up their strength to fight.

What you DON'T do is slash your warriors' hamstrings and yell, "We mustn't fight! That will just make things WORSE! We'll just have to keep starving to death. Better to starve than be killed!" Not only does that not benefit anyone, but it takes away all hope. It devalues the impact that a small group of determined individuals can have on the outcome of a monumental struggle.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 04, 2013 01:25 PM (4df7R)

576 The anthem sounded like a funeral dirge. Horrible. Simply horrible. But possibly appropriate.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at February 04, 2013 01:25 PM (dYRXi)

577 That's it. I wish her well. Time to move on. I'm much more excited about the future of Ted Cruz and Rand Paul at this point.
Posted by: SH at February 04, 2013 01:25 PM (gmeXX)

She can still rile up the libtards like nobodies business.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 01:26 PM (l86i3)

578 Oh, and it's more than I've ever heard offered by Mitt Romney. I've
never heard so much as a paragraph from him that suggested he'd ever
given serious thought to the basis of his political philosophy. He
doesn't appear to have one. He has a business philosophy, which would be
fine if he were running for CEO of the US but that office doesn't
exist.


I've read an interesting critique of Romney that this was due to his Mormonism. That because their faith is intellectually unsound, this leads Mormons like Romney to avoid examining that foundation and just doing "what works", because it does yield material successes, and to do otherwise risks the relationships in place.

Me, I still haven't gotten over how the "smart business type" dropped the ball so hard on ORCA. Massive engineering failure that shanks the idea that Romney is a great manager who knows what he was doing. (Am an engineer, am boggled that they could overlook stress testing an important component of their campaign) In the end, it's not the qualifications, it's the test; and Romney failed it.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at February 04, 2013 01:26 PM (NmR1a)

579 >I don't know why, but every time I see his face it screams Pedophile.


or Pizza Hut

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 04, 2013 01:26 PM (8sCoq)

580 That's it. I wish her well. Time to move on. I'm much more excited about the future of Ted Cruz and Rand Paul at this point.


***

Wanna bet that crazy old fuck, Ron, makes a run in 2016 and screws Rand in the process?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 01:26 PM (piMMO)

581 #454

Romney wasn't just moderate, he was fucking flaccid. Except for a few brief moments in the debates he showed no willingness to attack Obama on those areas where he should have been hugely vulnerable. It's like entering a NASCAR race but hanging back because the car makes a scary noise when you step on the accelerator.

This needed to be a serious fight over essential principles, which in turn needed to be stated clearly for an electorate that had gotten accustomed to avoiding the hard decisions. The young adults needed to have unavoidably pushed in their faces that they could see the end of their nation in their lifetimes, to be replaced by something far less desirable.

But that would require the establishment types to say things that upset their deep pocket buddies. So, no significant change of course, just keep drifting into the field of ice bergs, because do anything that might make a difference requires exertion and the passengers might complain if their plates slide around the table a bit.

Posted by: epobirs at February 04, 2013 01:26 PM (kcfmt)

582 Anyone else here mildly hungover?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 04, 2013 01:26 PM (UOM48)

583 we live in a crazy world where Democrats are masquerading as republicans to get your vote i guess.

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright's Sock Puppet at February 04, 2013 01:26 PM (+OTLF)

584
Ace of Spades: All positive comments about Palin are allowed and encouraged. Any negative comments about Palin are forbidden and will be met with a torrent of hate and braindeadedness.
Democratic Underground: All positive comments aboutObama are allowed and encouraged. Any negative comments aboutObama are forbidden and will be met with a torrent of hate and braindeadedness.

Posted by: doomed at February 04, 2013 01:27 PM (x9s9/)

585 Sven, Rove and his rich pals would have been better off saving all that money they spent on Romeny and using it to go into the inner city to establosh private free "charter" schools.

Posted by: SH at February 04, 2013 01:28 PM (gmeXX)

586 561 Hillary's chances of winning will depend on who runs against her. She has no charisma. If she is running against a charismatic candidate...she will have no chance.
Posted by: wheatie at February 04, 2013 01:18 PM (BZMZX)


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So, who do we have that fits that bill? It's not snark. I'm just wondering.

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I dunno, Soona.
Perry has the charisma...but he's got a lot of work to do, to rehabilitate his image, if he wants the job.

Rubio has charisma...but he's screwed himself, with all this Amnesty stuff.

Pretty slim pickings, really, just like in 2011.

Posted by: wheatie at February 04, 2013 01:28 PM (BZMZX)

587 It is a lovely day here in Brattleboro. The birds are singing praise to Presdent Obama, the sky is Obama blue and the earth looks healthy from my backyard window. I am so happy that Presdent Obama came into my life back in 2008 and glad he will be part of my life for the next four yeers. We are so blessed by mother nature to have a person of color of this caliber. When power went out in New Orleans yesterday that was the Earth fighting back from the dirty pollution with airing the superbowl with electricity produced from dirty oil and coal. Luckily Presdent Obama responded with clean green energy solutions to power the remainder of the game (I didn't watch and don't approve of such a mean sport). Yeah for Presdent Obama and his leedership skills !!!!!! :-)

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, Vt at February 04, 2013 01:28 PM (IkHXL)

588

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 04, 2013 01:25 PM (4df7R)

Insert that crazy Citizen Kane clapping guy GIF here.

You should be a coblogger. (>'')> Very well said.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal, LiB acknowledger at February 04, 2013 01:28 PM (qKkJ4)

589 Posted by: doomed at February 04, 2013 01:27 PM (x9s9/)

Oh Shit, you've figgered us out, time to go somewheres else.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 01:28 PM (l86i3)

590 Rove has decided that the Tea Party is the new John Birch Society and must be expelled. I say we air drop Ron Paul and Rove in to Syria

Posted by: thunderb at February 04, 2013 01:28 PM (Dnbau)

591 That's it. I wish her well. Time to move on. I'm much more excited about the future of Ted Cruz and Rand Paul at this point.

Posted by: SH at February 04, 2013 01:25 PM (gmeXX)


Don't forget how Scott Walker is already fire tested.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 04, 2013 01:29 PM (bLwWr)

592
The "TEA PARTY" at it's onset was, I think an honest joining into of people who read the danger signs coming out of Washington and were as a group, trying to educate to American people to the looming disaster both socially and economically that was facing this nation. The message was fact based yet could never get a fair read because thePravda MSM monkeys would screech for their boy LOUDLY and often........and that was just the SCFOAMF's 1st! term. Now, seems we have the "Stale Ones punching back WITH the monkeys.......
Maybe time to start breaking some eggs.....and cooking.....with butter and a pinch of salt.....and pepper.......maybe a touch of......meat!

Red MEAT............

Posted by: Richard at February 04, 2013 01:29 PM (kCCvE)

593 2016 field is about 10x better than 2012. Not sure what people are smoking here.


Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 04, 2013 01:29 PM (xAtAj)

594 OT?
Gear up Tip #5 - Etiquette
http://youtu.be/hZ7lWBmZO2Q

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 04, 2013 01:29 PM (vN8uH)

595 585 SH,

Yup. I wasted 6500 bucks on Romney I could have used as a prize for the best defense of the free market in an inner city school as a scholarship. If the GOP doesn't want us that's fine.....I'll go back to trying to spread Milton Friedman to the masses.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 04, 2013 01:29 PM (LRFds)

596 Someone put up the Ewok Signal.


I believe that the circular firing squad can be summed up in this manner. There are those who believe that the GOP can be reformed from within to be a more conservative party. There are those who do not. At this point, neither side is going to convince the other.


I will say this. Telling me that I am being a whiny little bitch and that I am taking my ball and going home when I state that I will no longer give my time and treasure to those who are actively working against what I believe is not precisely a strategic method to convince me to go along in the spirit of comity and oneness.


Tell you what GOP. You stop doing that in my mouth first and then we'll talk.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 04, 2013 01:29 PM (VtjlW)

597 #582

Yes! I'm thinking about a little hair of the dog.

Posted by: Marmo at February 04, 2013 01:29 PM (QW+AD)

598 Ace of Spades: All positive comments about Palin are allowed and encouraged. Any negative comments about Palin are forbidden and will be met with a torrent of hate and braindeadedness.Democratic Underground: All positive comments aboutObama are allowed and encouraged. Any negative comments aboutObama are forbidden and will be met with a torrent of hate and braindeadedness.
Posted by: doomed at February 04, 2013 01:27 PM (x9s9/)


Well, perhaps if your "negative comments" about Palinhad more substance than "she's teh STOOPIDZ!" you might get a respectful hearing.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 04, 2013 01:29 PM (zF6Iw)

599 > I say we air drop Ron Paul and Rove in to Syria

Posted by: thunderb at February 04, 2013 01:28 PM (Dnbau)

China or Iran can shoot them into space

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 04, 2013 01:30 PM (8sCoq)

600
Don't forget how Scott Walker is already fire tested.
Posted by: Captain Hate at February 04, 2013 01:29 PM (bLwWr)

And he doesn't have a degree which would really piss off the swells.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 01:30 PM (l86i3)

601 Rove is now my enemy.

Posted by: Sgt. York at February 04, 2013 01:30 PM (jEvoA)

602 Light the Ewok Signal!

Posted by: garrett at February 04, 2013 01:30 PM (B6My4)

603 Don't forget how Scott Walker is already fire tested.

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I didn't mean to exclude the several other conservative politicains out there. There are lots of good ones.

Posted by: SH at February 04, 2013 01:30 PM (gmeXX)

604 doomed --

That's demonstrably untrue but who give a fuck right?

Posted by: eleven at February 04, 2013 01:31 PM (KXm42)

605 Oh yes, please let's throw money at the wish washy GOP Members so they can talk a big game but utterly drop the ball when it comes to debating. ROMNEY,
MCCAIN,...

I'm sick and tired of these old fucks who have not one clue how to harness an audience because no one has shown them how to "do a google" yet..

The DNC STOMPED us for two reasons:

1. They aren't afraid to USE TECHNOLOGY, like blogs, and social networking. They got their message out.

2. They know how to play dirty.

If the GOP grew a set of BALLS and for once let a "Ultra super double plus undead NATO clearance weapons grade eeeeevil NEO conservative" earn the nomination for POTUS, then the nation MIGHT not look at elections like choosing between a shit sandwich and a shit sandwich with pickles in it.

Maybe they'd actually get the chance to see the different sides instead of selecting these weepy sons a bitches who's only concern is making sure everyone knows how "moderate" they are.

Fuck all that! There is too much at stake. McCain sat there and took foot after foot to his bag by the media he THOUGHT loved him so.. Then Palin came around and he actually had a chance. He let her take a beating as fast as he could also.

Then Romney... That waffling POS who used my state as a stepping stone to pad his resume, lacked the BALLS to call Obama on a variety of things that could have secured his win.

We need to ditch this "we can't stoop that low" "kinder gentler" faggotry and regain some American fucking pride.

The TEA party was probably our last hope at pulling us out of the toilet that the media and dems willingly shoved us down all for the sake of feeeeeeeling good.

WAKE THE FUCK UP, AMERICA!

Posted by: Melodicmetal at February 04, 2013 01:31 PM (QY9FJ)

606 I believe that the circular firing squad can be summed up in this manner. There are those who believe that the GOP can be reformed from within to be a more conservative party. There are those who do not. At this point, neither side is going to convince the other. I will say this. Telling me that I am being a whiny little bitch and that I am taking my ball and going home when I state that I will no longer give my time and treasure to those who are actively working against what I believe is not precisely a strategic method to convince me to go along in the spirit of comity and oneness. Tell you what GOP. You stop doing that in my mouth first and then we'll talk.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 04, 2013 01:29 PM (VtjlW)


Have I told You lately how much I love You, Imperial One?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 04, 2013 01:31 PM (zF6Iw)

607 Bored now.

Can we haz flamewar thread now? Looks like it's time for our 'binge and purge' cycle to get to that 'purge' part...or is it the 'binge'? Hellz, like I can tell anymore...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Keeper of Ampersands and Breitbart Login Spaces at February 04, 2013 01:31 PM (GBXon)

608 The problem is not our policies. Democrats like Scott Brown still lose if they have the Republican moniker. The northeast is devoid of Republicans.

Waging determined and unending war against 'purists' is a fool's errand. You lose because your organization sucks. You lose because you spend money badly. You lose because you can't defend your positions.

Or, you lose because of demographics: there are simply more liberals than conservatives.

But sliming 'purists' is easier and media-approved. And for many of the 'electability' strain, what is 'electable' matches up with their politics. So we get the Roves trying to defend shitty incumbents for the sake of electability.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 04, 2013 01:32 PM (CofEF)

609 >>>What do you expect when your desires consist almost exclusively of that
which is either impossible to deliver or leads to electoral defeat?

Great we agree. The Republican party is adversarial to some extent at least, and has a substantially different agency than the body conservative politic which it is admittedly not beholden to. My original analysis was accurate in that as we are NOT one in whole, your comment "Cut off nose to spite face" was stupid and irrelevant. Much the same way your electoral strategy is. The Republicans aren't interested in winning with the most conservative candidate that is winnable, they are concerned with winning with the least amount of effort. If that means being an enabler to socialism they are good with that. Being in office is the only good. So the only stick we have to get anything we want is to deny them office. Because that is their only good as you have stated, it is also their only bad to which they take heed. Whine about it all you want. They will ignore us until we are willing to make it cost them. They set the relationship that way.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 04, 2013 01:32 PM (0q2P7)

610 It must be a terrible thing for Rand Paul to live with a small part of himself wishing for his father's health to fail.

Posted by: epobirs at February 04, 2013 01:32 PM (kcfmt)

611 600 OSP,

Which would lead to a line that would resonate with a LOT of working poor....

"you porobably had to go to school a long time to fuck up benghazi as badly as you did HILLARY! I on the other hand just know what works in business, fighting crime, and at home."

Fuck 'em run populist appeals to Free $hit Army that stress getting the fucking nanny off your back and mock the student loan hostage takers.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 04, 2013 01:32 PM (LRFds)

612 I'm guessing ace and the rest of the cob-loggers got blitzed on bathtub gin and hobo hash last night during the SB and haven't managed to drag themselves out of bed yet. Someone might want to check and make sure none of them have drowned in sticky puddles of unspeakable discharge.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 04, 2013 01:33 PM (4df7R)

613 I ignored this thread for hours hoping something useful would happen, but since it hasn't: everything alexthechick said, times one thousand. I especially like the gall of Rove calling this "conservative". Conserving his bank account, maybe.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 04, 2013 01:33 PM (B/VB5)

614 Sven,

And I truly mean that. If I had a billion. I would pick a city and try to establish some innner city schools based on a conservative agenda. To education the future and hopefully piss off the present day liberal education beureacrats and unions.

Posted by: SH at February 04, 2013 01:33 PM (gmeXX)

615 607 Cavil,

my asbestos underwear are in the laundry

Posted by: sven10077 at February 04, 2013 01:33 PM (LRFds)

616 Totally off-topic but we're six hundred comments in, so what difference does it make?!


I'd been considering buying a Ford Raptor as my company truck, but ultimately decided against it as (A. an unnecessary expenditure in an era where I am cutting back on everything I can, (B. sending a bad signal to my employees when I talk to them about financial responsibility, and (C. awesome as they are, I had heard they were gas hogs.


Lady in my town just traded in her gorgeous blue Raptor with the 6.2 engine for a Jeep. Asked why, she said she was getting 8 miles a gallon in town, 11 on highway.


Bullet: dodged.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal, LiB acknowledger at February 04, 2013 01:33 PM (qKkJ4)

617 614 SH,

the key is to take back Junior Achievement and inspire kids to grasp what money is and how it works.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 04, 2013 01:34 PM (LRFds)

618 Ah so it'll be a hillary/christie ticket versus jeb and who?

Sometimes you wonder if that guy who works for fox with the bald head and the bush wins doesn't just work for whoever is willing to shell out the most cash for the alleged intellect.

The tea party keeps coming up with guys like rand paul and ted cruz. Something about those guys, they won't be quiet and they won't back down. Guess it doesn't fit the "you serve two terms and then we serve two terms" meme they've got going there on the isle of success, the DC metro area.

Posted by: really? at February 04, 2013 01:34 PM (/b8+5)

619 Have I told You lately how much I love You, Imperial One?
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 04, 2013 01:31 PM (zF6Iw)



Go on. No, really go on.


In further I am a rocket scientist news, I just very nearly tried to call my boss to tell him that his wife called to say he left his phone at home.


Yeah. I think it's time to consider drinking at work since not drinking at work doesn't seem to help.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 04, 2013 01:35 PM (VtjlW)

620 I took the day off yesterday...from all media viewing.

Couldn't watch the Super Bowl.

So...did they haul out the children from Sandy Hook Elementary to sing at halftime?

Posted by: wheatie at February 04, 2013 01:35 PM (BZMZX)

621 593 2016 field is about 10x better than 2012. Not sure what people are smoking here.


Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at February 04, 2013 01:29 PM (xAtAj)


The good stuff.
Jones I live in Colorado, and the paper this morning had an article about that being our constitutional right.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 04, 2013 01:35 PM (Qxe/p)

622 Why? Seriously, why? Because they'll go into office and do the worst
possible things, which will have the worst effects? Oh well. If I elect
the weak-kneed (R) candidate, he or she will do the exact same thing,
but it will take longer and be even more painful as a result.


Exact same thing? Remind me again which Republicans voted for it.

If you want to FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT with 20 True Conservatives opposing 80 Dems, you go right ahead. See how effective those Pure Conservatives sitting at home on their couch after losing will be.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 04, 2013 01:36 PM (SY2Kh)

623 Posted by: doomed at February 04, 2013 01:27 PM (x9s9/)

Go away. Ace of Spades is one of the better places for non-Palin fans. That's why Palin fans hold such a grudge against Ace.

Posted by: Shoot Me at February 04, 2013 01:36 PM (qiXMt)

624 Oops-

Exact same thing? Remind me again which Republicans voted for it Obamacare.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 04, 2013 01:36 PM (SY2Kh)

625 >Lady in my town just traded in her gorgeous blue Raptor with the 6.2
engine for a Jeep. Asked why, she said she was getting 8 miles a gallon
in town, 11 on highway.




ahhh... my big fat American-made motorcycle gets 51mpg

I'm outta here, friends- not you, 'doomed'- it's the nephew's birthday and we're off to Grandma's

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 04, 2013 01:37 PM (8sCoq)

626 Then Palin came around and he actually had a chance. He let her take a beating as fast as he could also.



I have not forgotten that he allowed his campaign to badmouth her after the loss. No loyalty to his own people. No discipline in his campaign.

That jettisoned pretty much any positive feeling I had for McCain as a politician. He still gets credit for his military service, but he failed to step up to the plate when his country needed him to prevent the SCOAMF.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at February 04, 2013 01:37 PM (NmR1a)

627 really?

what's on beck today?

Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at February 04, 2013 01:37 PM (GVxQo)

628 After all is said and done, and plenty has been said on this thread, I'm still seeing my country die a horrible death right before my eyes. And it's obvious that if there's going to be any saving of what's left of our Constitution it'll be by a handful of individuals with the courage to do what seems right now, undoable and/or unthinkable.

We're running out of words.

Posted by: Soona at February 04, 2013 01:37 PM (z2jDQ)

629 She can still rile up the libtards like nobodies business.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 01:26 PM (l86i3)
She was friends with Chris Kyle and posted a brief memorial to him yesterday, and the prog fucktards came out of the woodwork on Twitter to get their hate on like I've never seen before. It was really something to behold.

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at February 04, 2013 01:37 PM (KSjsb)

630 In further I am a rocket scientist news, I just very nearly tried to
call my boss to tell him that his wife called to say he left his phone
at home.


Why didn't she just call him?

Posted by: eleven at February 04, 2013 01:37 PM (KXm42)

631
ahhh... my big fat American-made motorcycle gets 51mpg

I'm outta here, friends- not you, 'doomed'- it's the nephew's birthday and we're off to Grandma's


Posted by: Jones in CO at February 04, 2013 01:37 PM (8sCoq)

Enjoy the food!! >_> I should buy a motorcycle maybe...

Posted by: Kinley Ardal, LiB acknowledger at February 04, 2013 01:37 PM (qKkJ4)

632 So...did they haul out the children from Sandy Hook Elementary to sing at halftime?

Before the game. Singing America, the Beautiful. And it was gross. I didn't get the feeling the people who planned that were quite as patriotic as would be implied. But perhaps I'm becoming a cynic.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at February 04, 2013 01:38 PM (dYRXi)

633 We need to send Queen AlextheChick a care package of chocolate fudge and thin mint Girl Scout cookies.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 04, 2013 01:38 PM (vN8uH)

634 Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 04, 2013 01:32 PM (0q2P7)

Damned well said.

Posted by: KG at February 04, 2013 01:39 PM (p7BzH)

635
Posted by: sven10077 at February 04, 2013 01:32 PM (LRFds)

I'm not that way, both works for me.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 01:39 PM (l86i3)

636 Ron Paul just went full retard on Twitter....

http://tinyurl.com/abkczx4

Posted by: Adam at February 04, 2013 01:39 PM (Ll70k)

637 @596 - Brava, AtC.

Posted by: DocJ at February 04, 2013 01:39 PM (V20sy)

638 Kinley Ardal, after LiB there should be a few free for the taking.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 04, 2013 01:39 PM (vN8uH)

639 Thin mints *~* Ugh... must have...


or those fudge-dipped mint Oreos... those things ought to be a controlled substance.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal, LiB acknowledger at February 04, 2013 01:39 PM (qKkJ4)

640 The short answer is of course.

No Karl, Fuck You!

Posted by: DaveA at February 04, 2013 01:39 PM (JJdOG)

641 yea, we saw that. He needs to DIAF already

Posted by: thunderb at February 04, 2013 01:40 PM (Dnbau)

642 >>>Posted by: doomed at February 04, 2013 01:27 PM (x9s9/)

Dude, I'm not even a Palin fan. I've argued against her candidacy in 2012, and maintain she is a poor choice for 2016. Your analysis is childish and uninformed. Your comments are reheated media drool that have nothing to do with valid criticisms of Palin or her viability as a candidate. If you want people to respect your opinions, go get respectable opinions.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 04, 2013 01:40 PM (0q2P7)

643 Dagnabit, I'm on a diet, I don't need to be thinking about cookies right now!!


And yet I continue to think.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal, LiB acknowledger at February 04, 2013 01:40 PM (qKkJ4)

644 You gotta be kidding me.



John McCain tweets a funny joke about how Amadinnerjacket wants to go to space.



So Ahmadinejad wants to be first Iranian in space - wasn't he just there last week? "Iran launches monkey into space"



Justin Amash, renowned loudmouth, tweets:



Maybe you should wisen up not make racist jokes.



Amash has jumped the fucking shark.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 12:34 PM (piMMO)


Especially funny, since Ahmadinnerjacket, being Persian, is an Aryan's Aryan.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 04, 2013 01:40 PM (29+x5)

645 Lady in my town just traded in her gorgeous blue Raptor with the 6.2
engine for a Jeep. Asked why, she said she was getting 8 miles a gallon
in town, 11 on highway.



Wow. My raptors do way better than that.


We need to send Queen AlextheChick a care package of chocolate fudge and thin mint Girl Scout cookies.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 04, 2013 01:38 PM (vN8uH)



You know that RAV4 ad where the woman gets the chocolate IV? Yeah. After this thread, I need that.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 04, 2013 01:40 PM (VtjlW)

646 adam

ron paul has been full retard for a very long time......

Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at February 04, 2013 01:40 PM (GVxQo)

647 See how effective those Pure Conservatives sitting at home on their couch after losing will be.

Yeah, like you proggs who lie about being conservatives have gotten us so much.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 04, 2013 01:40 PM (ZKzrr)

648 Go away. Ace of Spades is one of the better places for non-Palin fans. That's why Palin fans hold such a grudge against Ace.
Posted by: Shoot Me at February 04, 2013 01:36 PM (qiXMt)


Not true, I'm a rabid Palinista and I adore Ace. He like others are entitled to their opinion. Different paths, same destination.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 01:41 PM (l86i3)

649 Since Reagan, the GOP has had one only real achievement. I don't remember what it was, buti'm sure it wasan aweome 15 minutes.

Posted by: Beefy Meatball at February 04, 2013 01:41 PM (i7B17)

650 Hey guys... did you hear that the Establishment is striking back?

Posted by: The Mega Independent at February 04, 2013 01:41 PM (dYRXi)

651 either I type for shit, or Pixy hates me. Or both.

Posted by: Beefy Meatball at February 04, 2013 01:42 PM (i7B17)

652 Obama: I Won’t Hesitate To Send Women To The Front Lines…

Well that's because your a fuckin idiot with no class

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 04, 2013 01:42 PM (9Bj8R)

653 632 So...did they haul out the children from Sandy Hook Elementary to sing at halftime?

Before the game. Singing America, the Beautiful. And it was gross. I didn't get the feeling the people who planned that were quite as patriotic as would be implied. But perhaps I'm becoming a cynic.

-----------

Thanks, Mega Indy.

Sounds gross.

And I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that Barky is out campaigning today for Gun Control.

He and the Dems are desperate to get all the mileage they can, out of those poor dead children.

Posted by: wheatie at February 04, 2013 01:42 PM (BZMZX)

654 Regarding my "take their ball and go home"comment which seems to have aggravated alex, take a look at who does it.

1. Rinos, Rove being a prime example after throwing that hissy fit over Christine O'Donnell. We also had Lugar supporters here who refused to vote for Mourdock, even before his comments in the debate. These were old-line GOP people.

2. Purist conservatives who threaten to stay home whenever their preferred candidate doesn't get the nomination. I think it is fair to say there were some of these in the last presidential election.

3. Some social cons who swear they cannot vote for a pro-choice candidate, or a Mormon, or a gay candidate. Some of these people wouldn't vote for Romney because Mormon.

So, the GOP is an uneasy confederation which includes these 3 types, as well as many others. We also are the people who are more independent minded, which is not a bad thing, except it makes a coalition difficult. One group or another always think their opinions are being ignored and that they are being marginilized.

I don't really care if my opinion irritates people. I am trying to get people to understand that somehow, some way, these disparate groups MUST figure out a way to work together for a common goal.

Otherwise, say hello to President Michelle Obama.

Posted by: Miss Marple at February 04, 2013 01:42 PM (GoIUi)

655 Dude's getting flayed.

Posted by: eleven at February 04, 2013 01:42 PM (KXm42)

656 I wonder if Nancy Pelosi thinks Sandy Hook parents have 'moral authority'?

Sandy Hook Dad: You`ll Have to Take My Guns “From My Cold Dead Hands”

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 04, 2013 01:42 PM (NTBjC)

657 647 Ms radish,

Indeed but I am about to sit out the first one in 22 years if the GOp doesn't get its head out of its ass.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 04, 2013 01:42 PM (LRFds)

658 636
Ron Paul just went full retard on Twitter....

http://tinyurl.com/abkczx4




Wow. What a nasty, old bastard.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 04, 2013 01:43 PM (UOM48)

659 So...did they haul out the children from Sandy Hook Elementary to sing at halftime?


It's the most disturbed I have been in a long time.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 01:43 PM (l86i3)

660
What the hell, it's 10AM in L.A......

Must be Happy Hour somewhere.........cheers!!!!

Posted by: Richard at February 04, 2013 01:43 PM (kCCvE)

661 Episode VIII - The Establishment Strikes Back.

Princess Sarah, "I've got a bad feeling about this."

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 04, 2013 01:43 PM (vN8uH)

662 So...did they haul out the children from Sandy Hook Elementary to sing at halftime?


It's the most disturbed I have been in a long time.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 01:43 PM (l86i3)


I was disgusted by it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 04, 2013 01:44 PM (9Bj8R)

663 This whole thing is a stinking mess.I'll spend my money on firearms and firewater.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at February 04, 2013 01:45 PM (n8LUb)

664 We're running out of words.
Posted by: Soona at February 04, 2013 01:37 PM (z2jDQ)

I'm with you.

Not true, I'm a rabid Palinista and I adore Ace. He like others are entitled to their opinion. Different paths, same destination.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 01:41 PM (l86i3)

I'm with you too, OP. Palin rocks. If she goes after that Senate seat, wins, gains some serious legislative chops--ideally with time on foreign policy committees-- and she'd be a formidable candidate down the road.

Posted by: troyriser at February 04, 2013 01:45 PM (vtiE6)

665 The Sandy Hook thing last night. Gave pandering a bad name.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 04, 2013 01:45 PM (vN8uH)

666 Yeah, like you proggs who lie about being conservatives have gotten us so much.

And here we come full circle to the idiotic position that getting Democrats elected is the True Conservative thing to do.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 04, 2013 01:45 PM (SY2Kh)

667 Did anyone happen to watch TFG's tongue bath by Scott Pelley?

I hear he had to throw his two cents into the Boy Scouts' controversy.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 04, 2013 01:45 PM (UOM48)

668 Wow. My raptors do way better than that.


If Her Imperial Highness would deign to enlighten the unlearned ...

Your raptors have MPGs? Mauls Per Gallon of what?

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at February 04, 2013 01:45 PM (FzhYM)

669 654 Miss Marple,

I'm 40 fell in love with Reagan in '78-'79 have been dying for a genuine Conservative candidate since '92. Volunteered starting in '88. If the best the GOP can offer this Friedman school conservative is Donk Lite perhaps I should focus my efforts on enduring the march to communism?

Posted by: sven10077 at February 04, 2013 01:45 PM (LRFds)

670 Enjoy the food!! >_> I should buy a motorcycle maybe...
Posted by: Kinley Ardal, LiB acknowledger at February 04, 2013 01:37 PM (qKkJ4)


----------------------------------------------


If you do, just remember the territory that you're entering. Riding a scooter is a lot different than driving a car. It takes a complete re-setting of one's situational awareness.

Posted by: Soona at February 04, 2013 01:46 PM (z2jDQ)

671 Sarah Palin would make a great RNC chair. But Rinse is the Rovian candidate so they'll make sure he stays put.

Posted by: really? at February 04, 2013 01:46 PM (/b8+5)

672 Iowa Hawk on Ron Paul today

Grandpa's talking to the furniture again

Posted by: thunderb at February 04, 2013 01:46 PM (Dnbau)

673 MPG measured in blood good sirrah... gallons of it. Alextopia is not the Metric system.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 04, 2013 01:46 PM (vN8uH)

674 #584

Oh bullshit and you know it. In real life the single biggest offense Palin committed was not being 'one of us.' And that was the country club arm of GOP speaking, not the Dems. The worst attacks came not from the left but from those in McCain's own campaign who decided that undermining her was more important than winning the election.

It was an accepted article of faith among many not just on the left but also in the GOP that Reagan was mentally deficient because he didn't think the sun shone out of the Nelson Rockefeller wing's collective ass. Funny thing, he actually cared more about the country than GOP sinecures. Recall the 'amiable dunce' line that took root? Try looking into where that originated and find that the person who coined the term mistook Reagan's unwillingness to be rude and simply show him the door for stupidity.

Posted by: epobirs at February 04, 2013 01:46 PM (kcfmt)

675 Exact same thing? Remind me again which Republicans voted for it Obamacare.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 04, 2013 01:36 PM (SY2Kh)


And there's your problem. You're looking at this issue as a short term political issue tied to individual milestones. I'm not. I'm looking at the issue as a long term struggle to push back against the slow, steady encroachment of the Big State into the affairs of the Little States and the individual.

Voting for Obamacare is one vote; a big one, but only one. It's the little ones that have gotten us here. It's about all the votes for allthe pork-stuffed bills that have nothing to do with their stated purpose. It's about not sending out press releases every single day to every single media outlet calling out the Democrats and their ilk for every lie, misquote, obfuscated statement, and underhanded deed they commit on a daily basis. It's about voting to set aside the debt ceiling. It's about confirming Kerry, Hagel, etc, without a protracted fight. It's about letting AG Stedman walk around free instead of slapping him in cuffs for his continued contempt of Congress. It's about using the term "assault weapon" even though it's a bullshit moniker. It's about using the term "revenue" because you're too scared to say "taxes." It's about refusing to call Obama a socialist, a fascist, a communist, because of the "tone."

The list goes on and on and on, back to FDR if not further. It took us a long time to get to this miserable period in time. It's going to take a long time to get back to sanity. But we're never going to get there if we don't start somewhere.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 04, 2013 01:46 PM (4df7R)

676 The problem always with Rove's perspective is that regardless of the party affiliation, establishment politicians are sinking this country. Can he point to any success driven by establishment or "certified by him" Republicans? If it was up to Rove and Chuck Hagel was running against a Tea Party conservative, he would find a way to support Hagel. Because, don't you know, "we" can't win with these crazies. Rove is a statistics guy without substance. Statistically, every group will get a few losers, but it is the consistent support and message that needs driven. The established Republican party has no backbone or true conservative leadership.

Posted by: mikulin at February 04, 2013 01:46 PM (vmyXX)

677 Any negative comments about Palin are forbidden and will be met with a torrent of hate and braindeadedness.
.


Posted by: doomed at February 04, 2013 01:27 PM (x9s9/)
ace is not a Palin supporter.I don't see banning occuring because you don't think Palin is capable of presidenting.I see others arguing against that idea.much as we do with socon, fiscal con. Rhino, etc.
easier to accept we do not always agree.shrug.




Posted by: ette at February 04, 2013 01:47 PM (nqBYe)

678 haha in fact we even argue fiscon to fiscon over ss

Posted by: ette at February 04, 2013 01:47 PM (nqBYe)

679 Grandpa's talking to the furniture again
Posted by: thunderb at February 04, 2013 01:46 PM (Dnbau)

LOL, damn, can we get Iowahawk to run for something, anything?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 01:47 PM (l86i3)

680 Dinner jacket is the "moon maymoon".

Maymoon being Farsi for monkey. Yes the syntax is atrocious, but I like the sound of it.

Posted by: wooga at February 04, 2013 01:48 PM (eUUME)

681 And here we come full circle to the idiotic position that getting Democrats elected is the True Conservative thing to do.

Clearly, True Conservatives ought to slowly and sensibly (optional) implement Democratic policies. It's tradition! And we all want to conserve tradition, don't we?

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at February 04, 2013 01:48 PM (FzhYM)

682 Not true, I'm a rabid Palinista and I adore Ace. He like others are
entitled to their opinion. Different paths, same destination.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 01:41 PM (l86i3)
Ace actually defended her when it mattered, unlike McCain and his campaign muppets who left her to play Clifton Sprague to their Halsey. Why she has any loyalty to him at all is something I'll never understand. His own incompetence and his surrogates' cowardice and dishonesty destroyed her political career.

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at February 04, 2013 01:48 PM (KSjsb)

683 Time for each Republican to make a choice: do they support Democrats (establishment) or do they support America (TEA party)?

Posted by: IowaPerson at February 04, 2013 01:48 PM (mYAYc)

684 Aren't these the same people I just pissed $10K away with?

Didn't they oppose Cruz.


This is fucking nuts.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 04, 2013 01:48 PM (wR+pz)

685 From Breitbart:

Emails expose collaboration between Southern Poverty Law Center and DOJ

http://t.co/IrhzL87D

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 01:49 PM (piMMO)

686 She was friends with Chris Kyle and posted a brief memorial to him yesterday, and the prog fucktards came out of the woodwork on Twitter to get their hate on like I've never seen before. It was really something to behold.
Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at February 04, 2013 01:37 PM (KSjsb)


And right there is the nub of this whole thread. Rove and his ilk think, act and expect that we can negotiate with the elected representatives of these "prog fucktards." We - the conservative, Tea Party types - know that there is no collaboration, no negotiation, no compromise that could ever satisfy those people.

They want us dead.
They want the GOP dead.
They want the America of the Founding Fathers dead.

Sombody should ask Rove, do you "compromise" with your daughter's rapist? Do you try to "negotiate in good faith" with the man trying to slit your wife's throat? The Democrat party is a cancer in the bones of America that needs to be excised - by the ballot box, if possible, by more forceful means if it comes to that. Rove would rather be part of the ruling class than an American. It's as simple as that.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 04, 2013 01:49 PM (zF6Iw)

687 And here we come full circle to the idiotic position that getting Democrats elected is the True Conservative thing to do.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 04, 2013 01:45 PM (SY2Kh)

Which would lead to a different result than we are in.. how exactly?

Posted by: KG at February 04, 2013 01:49 PM (p7BzH)

688 R. Paul making sure His son doesn't get an opportunity to get any more political power.

pretty selfish dude.


Posted by: ette at February 04, 2013 01:49 PM (nqBYe)

689


If you do, just remember the territory that you're entering. Riding a
scooter is a lot different than driving a car. It takes a complete
re-setting of one's situational awareness.

Posted by: Soona at February 04, 2013 01:46 PM (z2jDQ)

Aye, it'd be a big change. I'm a defensive driver, but I wager that being on a motorcycle is going to have some spooky moments.

But when I think about it, really... what could possibly be better than a Harley-Davidson to and from work? I don't know why I haven't thought of it before. It's just awesome. o.O I must do it now.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal, LiB acknowledger at February 04, 2013 01:49 PM (qKkJ4)

690 684 Billy Bob,

Yup....here GOP take 6500 bucks and act like lite donks from my childhood....

go go

Posted by: sven10077 at February 04, 2013 01:49 PM (LRFds)

691 Emails expose collaboration between Southern Poverty Law Center and DOJ

http://t.co/IrhzL87D
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 01:49 PM (piMMO)

I can't write what I'm thinking about the SPLC.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 01:50 PM (l86i3)

692 688 ette,

You know I've been fighting the urge to punish Rand for Ron's sins a long time....


Posted by: sven10077 at February 04, 2013 01:50 PM (LRFds)

693 they opposed Cruz in the primary. May have supported him eventually in the general. Palin always supported Cruz. I just plain don't trust Rove. He has to blame the Tea Party for his election failures

Posted by: thunderb at February 04, 2013 01:50 PM (Dnbau)

694 6 things nobody tells you about owning a motorcycle.

http://tinyurl.com/3wfp7y3

Posted by: eleven at February 04, 2013 01:50 PM (KXm42)

695 We need more candidates like Trey Grayson.

Posted by: Karl Rove at February 04, 2013 01:51 PM (F6KtL)

696 OT, from the Side Bar: Does anyone know where to send your resume for the Washington Weed Consultant gig? Also, do they pay in Cheetos?

Posted by: Bob's Harley at February 04, 2013 01:51 PM (i7B17)

697
So...did they haul out the children from Sandy Hook Elementary to sing at halftime?




It's the most disturbed I have been in a long time.



They were a cute children's choir, but I thought it was out of place. I am suddenly reminded of Ace's post on cute => rage.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at February 04, 2013 01:51 PM (IrbU4)

698 Iowa Hawk on Ron Paul today



Grandpa's talking to the furniture again

Posted by: thunderb at February 04, 2013 01:46 PM (Dnbau)


Is it the phase of the moon that's making Repuke fucks say really stupid things today?

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 04, 2013 01:52 PM (bLwWr)

699 435...Ron Paul insults Chris Kyle



I'm still gobsmacked at the stupidity of that insult, NDH.



"Die by the sword"...?

Chris Kyle wasn't in a combat situation...he was betrayed by a guy that he'd been trying to help.



Posted by: wheatie at February 04, 2013 12:56 PM (BZMZX)

If Rand Paul has any sense, he will smack his old man upside the head for that remark, on national television.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 04, 2013 01:52 PM (29+x5)

700 I'm certain we've all moved on from Palin, however, I for one will stop whatever the fuck I'm doing to correct some assclown who mimics the eye-rolling Mica Brezinskiesque slights that take misinformed lies and tries to turn them into truths.

I recommend this same course of action to any conservative who doesn't enjoy losing, because if we let this happen to her, it will continue to happen to everyone who starts to rise on our side.

How I wish that one simple concept would register.

Posted by: jwest at February 04, 2013 01:53 PM (ZDsRL)

701 I don't consider Ron Paul a republican. I am pretty sure he doesn't either.

Posted by: thunderb at February 04, 2013 01:53 PM (Dnbau)

702 And here we come full circle to the idiotic position that getting Democrats elected is the True Conservative thing to do.

The idiocy is expecting that, at some magic number or fake-Republicans, they all fuse together like some conservative VOLTRON and fix all our problems.

All that happens is the GOP gets pulled left. What is possible for the GOP to accomplish gets pulled left as well.

Your worldview is one in which we can only fail.

And it's academic, because your candidates suck and lose as much as the bad purists do.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 04, 2013 01:53 PM (LnQr8)

703 So what're the odds this post makes it to 1000 comments? Anyone got any good jokes to share to kill time?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 04, 2013 01:54 PM (4df7R)

704 Karl Rove will succeed in making Jeb Bush ("He's electable!) the nominee in 2016, collect hundreds of millions in donations, then watch in awe as the Republicans once again get their asses handed to them.

Somewhere, Hillary is smiling.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at February 04, 2013 01:54 PM (QXlbZ)

705 sven, uh hmm, it's been really hard for me to not be suspicious of Rand.

I try to accept the premise they don't have to have same beliefs.. and don't vist sins offather on the children.

it's hard , i'm trying.
rpaul isn't helping.

Posted by: ette at February 04, 2013 01:54 PM (nqBYe)

706 >>>Exact same thing? Remind me again which Republicans voted for it Obamacare.

Snowe, Collins and Specter all voted for Stimulus. Then a thwack occured in NY 23 where we lost. Then the Toomey smack. And suddenly even Miss "history is calling" Snowe grew a spine and started fighting back. The Republicans reward us for kicking them in the junk. Why should we stop?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 04, 2013 01:54 PM (0q2P7)

707 Okay thread......I want a divorce.


It's not me it's you.

Posted by: eleven at February 04, 2013 01:54 PM (KXm42)

708 And there's your problem. You're looking at this issue as a short term
political issue tied to individual milestones. I'm not. I'm looking at
the issue as a long term struggle to push back against the slow, steady
encroachment of the Big State into the affairs of the Little States and
the individual.


Ah- the long game. I get it now:

1. Purge all those not meeting Purity Standards, ceding control of government to Democrats
2. ?????
3. Conservative Nirvana.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 04, 2013 01:54 PM (SY2Kh)

709 #623

Dude, Ace is not omniscient.

One of his worst moments was when he bought into the bullshit Bush admin rationale for why we had to do TARP. Every argument I made against it then turned out to be exactly correct. Understated, really. Not that I'm omniscient either but I could see this was just a new chapter in the ongoing scam and the people who'd done the damage were going to walk away mega-rich at the taxpayers' expense.

Posted by: epobirs at February 04, 2013 01:55 PM (kcfmt)

710
703
So what're the odds this post makes it to 1000 comments? Anyone got any good jokes to share to kill time?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 04, 2013 01:54 PM (4df7R)

There was a young fisher named Fischer
who went fishing for fish in a fissure
'til a fish, with a grin,
pulled the fisherman in,
now they're fishing the fissure for Fischer


Now someone get Hadji the Muslim Comic in here. >_>

Posted by: Kinley Ardal, LiB acknowledger at February 04, 2013 01:56 PM (qKkJ4)

711 I worked at HD for almost 20 years. Every year we buried at least four employees. Most of the time it wasn't there fault. As a Skydiver my life insurance was actually cheaper than if I rode a Motorcycle, which other than sporadically, I never did. I like bikes, don't get me wrong. But everytime you saddle up, it's a crapshoot. Fucking cars will kill you. People don't give a shit. Texting, 80 year olds and all the assholes on the road. It's dangerous. If you choose to ride, god bless you, just know, it's some dangerous shit.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 01:56 PM (l86i3)

712 And now another hour of John Denver...

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 04, 2013 01:56 PM (NTBjC)

713 And it's academic, because your candidates suck and lose as much as the bad purists do.

We're doomed whether we try or not, so lets just watch some more stupid TV shows about ugly New Yorkers so we don't embarrass Gabe at cocktail parties.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 04, 2013 01:56 PM (ZKzrr)

714 708 Hollowpoint,

Yeah because "Donk Lite" with the ever extending two step to the left every 4-12 years is working gangbusters.

The GOP's leftward lurch has allowed the donks to mainstream communists like Van Jones.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 04, 2013 01:56 PM (LRFds)

715 thunderb, it's weird i imagine fiscal issues sometimes. but he does bring pork for his state. (so it might be a scam to always strip gop from votes by saying he is running on republican ticket , useful) otherwise what use?
so shrug.

otherwise i expect him and his constituents were in demonstrations and causing mayhem all through bussh's term with the left

Posted by: ette at February 04, 2013 01:57 PM (nqBYe)

716 699 435...Ron Paul insults Chris Kyle



I'm still gobsmacked at the stupidity of that insult, NDH.



"Die by the sword"...?

Chris Kyle wasn't in a combat situation...he was betrayed by a guy that he'd been trying to help.

Posted by: wheatie at February 04, 2013 12:56 PM (BZMZX)

If Rand Paul has any sense, he will smack his old man upside the head for that remark, on national television.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 04, 2013 01:52 PM (29+x5)

-------
and here I thought that his statements about Bradley Manning being a "hero" were the height of stupidity for luaP noR. He was the only guy to talk about currency debasement and the Fed Reserve (silver dimes !!1!1 eleventy) but on everything else he's nuckin futz

Posted by: Lurkasaurus at February 04, 2013 01:57 PM (0K4Xj)

717 I see our ration of threads has gone up again.

Posted by: eleven at February 04, 2013 01:57 PM (KXm42)

718 713 Ms Radish,

I hear that Glee is really really necessary to understand the American Experience.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 04, 2013 01:58 PM (LRFds)

719 Ohio, give me back my electoral college votes....

Posted by: Karl Augustus Rove at February 04, 2013 01:58 PM (F6KtL)

720 Stupid party is stupid.
.
Maybe there's some kind of obscure physical law like the Conservation of Competence: if your policies aren't suicidal, your tactics have to be.
.
Same WRT trolls and the reaction to them.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's mobile at February 04, 2013 01:58 PM (fKyp3)

721 "We Need More Winners Like Scott Brown!"

#SlogansForTheGOPEstablishment

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at February 04, 2013 01:58 PM (QXlbZ)

722 Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 04, 2013 01:54 PM (SY2Kh)

Or, alternatively:

1. A slow purge of the politicians who fail to follow through on conservative promises, until the general Republican politician actually has a spine and actually pushes conservatism.

2. Republican politicians who push back against leftism, because they're held accountable and their job depends on it.

3. Hope and Change?!

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at February 04, 2013 01:59 PM (IrbU4)

723 Chris Wallace is an asshat......

that is all

Posted by: sven10077 at February 04, 2013 01:59 PM (LRFds)

724 Do yall realize your having the same argument for the 47th time?

Literally.

Posted by: eleven at February 04, 2013 01:59 PM (KXm42)

725 Which would lead to a different result than we are in.. how exactly?

If you honestly believe that there would have been no consequences at all had the Dems won a 60 vote Senate majority and took back the House in 2010, you're too far divorced from reality to bother with.

The endless whining by the Dems and their MSM allies about the GOP standing in their way? They're whining for a reason.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 04, 2013 01:59 PM (SY2Kh)

726 "You'll Get Nothing And Like It!"

#SlogansForTheGOPEstablishment

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at February 04, 2013 01:59 PM (QXlbZ)

727 Do yall realize your having the same argument for the 47th time?

Is that all? Man, it seems like more...

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 04, 2013 02:00 PM (5DR1j)

728 725 Hollowpoint,

It would probably be better for the cause of liberty to allow the donks to go hell bent for leather like 2009-2011.

The divorce or termination of liberty would speed up.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 04, 2013 02:00 PM (LRFds)

729 I hope Michele Obama sings at the next Superbowl. That would be a grate tribute to persons of color and help the peeple of this county forget about how Bush screwed up the economy..........

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, Vt at February 04, 2013 02:01 PM (HlUFk)

730 ultimately there is very little difference between Ron Paul supporters and OWS

Posted by: thunderb at February 04, 2013 02:01 PM (Dnbau)

731 Great. Now my blog really doesn't exist...

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 04, 2013 02:01 PM (5DR1j)

732 730 ThunderB,

just the lies they tell themselves while they set the kindling....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 04, 2013 02:02 PM (LRFds)

733 Do yall realize your having the same argument for the 47th time?

Beats working.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 04, 2013 02:02 PM (zF6Iw)

734 Beats working.
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 04, 2013 02:02 PM (zF6Iw)


LOL

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 02:02 PM (l86i3)

735
>>I can't write what I'm thinking about the SPLC.<<

Hate Thought Crime is not a Crime!

Posted by: garrett at February 04, 2013 02:02 PM (LpTJD)

736
How about we stop letting democrats and stealth 3rd party candidates supported by democrats stop selecting our candidates?

Posted by: Fresh at February 04, 2013 02:03 PM (O7ksG)

737 Can't wait for Rice Prius to solicit me for the mid-terms.




Posted by: dananjcon at February 04, 2013 02:03 PM (jvd3N)

738 726 "You'll Get Nothing And Like It!"

#SlogansForTheGOPEstablishmentPosted by: Gregory of Yardale at February 04, 2013 01:59 PM (QXlbZ)


That could be Ace's slogan today.

Posted by: Marmo at February 04, 2013 02:04 PM (QW+AD)

739 : Merovign, I always thought being up during the day wasn't your thing.

anyway good afternoon, and yes arguing same battles again and again with what end result?
perhaps early evening glass of wine isn't a bad idea.

Posted by: ette at February 04, 2013 02:04 PM (nqBYe)

740 697...They were a cute children's choir, but I thought it was out of place. I am suddenly reminded of Ace's post on cute => rage.

Hijacking a SuperBowl audience, to insert their message of gun control.

The Left has no shame, about using the cuteness and innocence of children, to further their control-freak agenda.

They use children as human shields...much like the islamists do.

Posted by: wheatie at February 04, 2013 02:04 PM (BZMZX)

741 How about we stop letting democrats and stealth 3rd party candidates supported by democrats stop selecting our candidates?

There's the rub.

Posted by: eleven at February 04, 2013 02:04 PM (KXm42)

742 The GOP's leftward lurch has allowed the donks to mainstream communists like Van Jones.

Leftward lurch compared to when?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 04, 2013 02:04 PM (SY2Kh)

743 I don't really care if my opinion irritates people. I am trying to get people to understand that somehow, some way, these disparate groups MUST figure out a way to work together for a common goal.

Otherwise, say hello to President Michelle Obama.
Posted by: Miss Marple at February 04, 2013 01:42 PM (GoIUi)



Work together towards what? That is the entire underlying premise of these firing squads. I am not on Team Republican. I am not on Team Red. I am a conservative of the libertarianish bent who is more than willing to provide not only my vote but my time and treasure to work towards a smaller, more restrained government. I am not a fool and I realize that what is possible in one area is not possible in another. The most conservative candidate possible is my goal.


I have yet to see any of the defenders of the GOP, and, yes, I am including you specifically, provide anything other than a structural argument for conservatives to continue to support the GOP in its current incarnation. The GOP in its current incarnation is actively working against what I believe. Why should I support that? Why? You are demanding that I betray my dearly held values for . . . . For what? What, precisely? So that there are more members of Congress with an ( R ) behind their name? Why would I care about that if those members of Congress are working against what I believe is necessary for the continued survival of this country.


I keep reading these calls that the disparate wings must work together. Fine. Work together towards what? What is the purpose of obtaining a GOP majority if the GOP will use that power to act in a manner with which I disagree?


I'm sorry, but structural arguments are utterly unpersuasive. I do not care whose emblems is on the side of the car when we go over the cliff. I care about stopping that. Please explain what evidence you have to show that the GOP in its current incarnation has any intention of stopping it.


If you are going to demand that people compromise their principles, it is incumbent upon you to explain what the benefit will be. At this time, no such credible and coherent explanations have been made. Getting to a bad end slower is an insufficient reward for buckling on the foundations of my political theory.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 04, 2013 02:04 PM (VtjlW)

744 I do find the part where conservatives are 'purging purists' for resisting the RINO purge (that is the subject of this article) mildly amusing, however.
.
In the sort of way a stumbling drunk is amusing, and sad.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's mobile at February 04, 2013 02:04 PM (fKyp3)

745 Senate Republicans are sending a letter Monday to the White House budget office arguing that President Obama’s nominee to be treasury secretary, Jacob “Jack” Lew, was complicit in breaking a Medicare budget law.

The letter comes the same day that Mr. Obama officially missed another deadline in the budget law by failing to submit his blueprint on the first Monday in February. The president has only met that deadline once in his tenure.

On the Medicare funding issue, federal law requires that if the program’s funding becomes imbalanced, its trustees are required to issue a warning, and the president is required to send Congress a plan to repair the finances.

Then-President George W. Bush did just that during his time in the White House, but Mr. Obama has never filed the submission.

“The administration has failed each of the last four years to response to these funding warnings despite receiving several communications from Congress urging them to comply,” eight Republicans on the Senate Budget Committee said in a letter to the White House.

Mr. Lew was director of the White House budget office in 2010 and 2011 during the time when the Medicare submission was required, and the senators said they want to know whether he was complicit in ignoring the law.


these pricks don't think the law applies to them? Let's see how the Supreme Court feels about that

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 04, 2013 02:05 PM (9Bj8R)

746
these pricks don't think the law applies to them? Let's see how the Supreme Court feels about that
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 04, 2013 02:05 PM (9Bj8R)

Well, if Obamacare is any indication........

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 02:06 PM (l86i3)

747 742 Hollowpoint,

1994 even.

Van Jones would not have been put on CNN as a "representative of the Democrats" in 1994.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 04, 2013 02:06 PM (LRFds)

748 1. Purge all those not meeting Purity Standards, ceding control of government to Democrats2. ?????3. Conservative Nirvana.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 04, 2013 01:54 PM (SY2Kh)


Not what I said. Nowhere did I say we'd reach some conservative nirvana. What I'm saying is we're already headed to regressive hell. You think somehow things are going to get better if we keep electing squishes? Really? Because I know they won't. I don't expect to see the America in which I grew up return before I die. It'll take generations. And even then it's not going to be some small government utopia. What it will be is functional, the way it's supposed to be.

Governing isn't supposed to be easy; it's SUPPOSED to be rational. What we've got now is irrational to the point of clinical insanity, conjuring up imaginary numbers and making words mean things they've never meant, pretending that an imaginary idyllic reality can be wallpapered over the genuine harsh reality that's actually there.


Our elected leaders across the political spectrum are the equivalent of a 19th century insane asylum's patient roster. Some of them are dangerously unstable and will do whatever they want regardless of the effect their actions will have. Some of them are drawing flowers and fairies on the grubby walls, trying to make the ugly world pretty without doing the work of actually applying some elbow grease. Some of them are sitting in a corner rocking back and forth and terrified of what tomorrow is going to bring. And some of them are gleeful psychopaths who just love to make people suffer.

The only difference between DC and a 19th century asylum is the 19th century asylum kept the headcases locked up. In the 21st century, we elect them President.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 04, 2013 02:06 PM (4df7R)

749 To the people who are arguing that any of us who oppose Rove's idea are "making sure democrats get elected":

Can you imagine how far to the left the GOP would be if we were not here constantly making a stink? If we just humbly accepted every single one of the GOP establishment's decisions, the GOP would be where the Democrats are right now and the Dems would make communists in the old USSR look moderate.

If we don't fight to keep the GOP toward the right, it will swing wildly left. Perhaps, you may argue, the GOP establishment keeps the GOP from flying to wildly right. that may be. But, even if that is true, then both sides need the other applying pressure or else the wild swing will happen.

Posted by: Monkeytoe at February 04, 2013 02:06 PM (sOx93)

750 OSP, aye we've had three motorcycle fatalities in the past year in my corner of Nebraska, two by semi, one by train. Not sure how the train thing happened.


Rather sobering to hear about the loss of so many of your fellow employees. >< Poor families...

Posted by: Kinley Ardal, LiB acknowledger at February 04, 2013 02:06 PM (qKkJ4)

751 You know what I just realized.

It can, and will, get worse.

How does one measure Rove's Gross Product? Is it the number of enraged progressives he animates, or the number of former Republicans that he creates that is the better metric?

Posted by: akula51 at February 04, 2013 02:06 PM (YesJa)

752
Soon the Rebellion will be crushed and young establishment candidates will be ours!

Posted by: Darth Rove at February 04, 2013 02:06 PM (F6KtL)

753 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 04, 2013 02:04 PM (VtjlW)

*Cheers*
*Whistles*
*Applauds Raucously*

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 04, 2013 02:07 PM (5DR1j)

754 "You Can't Change Washington If You're Not Invited To The Cocktail Parties"

#SlogansForTheGOPEstablishment

Posted by: t-bird at February 04, 2013 02:07 PM (FcR7P)

755 This is why I don't give to the Party; I give to individual candidates. Hobbits like us don't need to feed the Leviathan.

Posted by: jim at February 04, 2013 02:07 PM (VwhRo)

756 these pricks don't think the law applies to them? Let's see how the Supreme Court feels about that

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 04, 2013 02:05 PM (9Bj8R)


Bwahahahaha! Supreme court?! Bwahahahaha!

Oh wait....
You're serious?

Posted by: Tami at February 04, 2013 02:07 PM (X6akg)

757 Ette: It's almost noon though, so it's okay.

Also I think that evening glass of wine is a good idea!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's mobile at February 04, 2013 02:07 PM (fKyp3)

758 After going a year without noticing a monthly Netflix payment being billed to my debit card, I finally got it working and watched a couple of movies last night.

Team America and Becket.

Posted by: jwest at February 04, 2013 02:10 PM (ZDsRL)

759 "Maureen Dowd? I'd Hit That."

#SlogansForTheGOPEstablishment

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 04, 2013 02:10 PM (zF6Iw)

760 "Amnesty, Do it For The Children... who need cheap nannies and maids to look after them."1

#SlogansForTheGOPEstablishment111

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at February 04, 2013 02:10 PM (QXlbZ)

761
Our elected leaders across the political spectrum are the equivalent of a 19th century insane asylum's patient roster.


Scarier (and, to my mind, more accurate) they're like the 17th Century "hochadel" of Germany (or, to be more precise: "the Germanies.").

That didn't work out so well.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 04, 2013 02:10 PM (5DR1j)

762 Posted by: Kinley Ardal, LiB acknowledger at February 04, 2013 02:06 PM (qKkJ4)

From your corner of Nebraska, do you have any insight as to how Hagel got elected twice?

Osborne was bad enough, but at least he was coherent.

I've lived in 3 "corners" of that state.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 04, 2013 02:10 PM (Qxe/p)

763 #725

The reason being that it distracts from the reality of slowly getting what they want anyway. The long game is going fine, no matter how they stamp their feet and shake their tiny fists.

Posted by: epobirs at February 04, 2013 02:10 PM (kcfmt)

764 Do yall realize your having the same argument for the 47th time?

Literally.

Posted by: eleven at February 04, 2013 01:59 PM (KXm42)

Yep. The price of liberty.

Posted by: KG at February 04, 2013 02:10 PM (p7BzH)

765 these pricks don't think the law applies to them? Let's see how the Supreme Court feels about that

I feel there's nothing wrong with this. And thank you for acknowledging that my feelings are what really matters here.

Posted by: Wise Latina at February 04, 2013 02:11 PM (ZKzrr)

766 Rather sobering to hear about the loss of so many of your fellow employees. >
Posted by: Kinley Ardal, LiB acknowledger at February 04, 2013 02:06 PM (qKkJ4)

I've been out of there for about six years and only lost two people I was close to. The difference is, they all knew what they were getting into. I'm not anti motorcycle, love them , I really do. But if you have young children? Life insurance policy, big one.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 02:11 PM (l86i3)

767
We need to get AtC a rostrum, some new thigh high stompers, and a riding crop.



Posted by: garrett at February 04, 2013 02:12 PM (EissH)

768 Just stopped by. Sheesh. Glad I have been too busy to keep up with the blog today....

Posted by: Muad'dib at February 04, 2013 02:12 PM (KjlbF)

769 If you honestly believe that there would have been no consequences at all had the Dems won a 60 vote Senate majority and took back the House in 2010, you're too far divorced from reality to bother with.

The endless whining by the Dems and their MSM allies about the GOP standing in their way? They're whining for a reason.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 04, 2013 01:59 PM (SY2Kh)

Excuse me, but you do remember that the Dems did in fact have total control of government for a few years after 2006? Where they want to go, we are still headed for, just a little bit slower with a Republican House.

Posted by: KG at February 04, 2013 02:12 PM (p7BzH)

770 Team America and Becket.

Wow that's weird, I was watching Becket last night too.

Posted by: eleven at February 04, 2013 02:13 PM (KXm42)

771 alex, that was beautiful.

Posted by: ette at February 04, 2013 02:13 PM (nqBYe)

772 So what're the odds this post makes it to 1000 comments? Anyone got any good jokes to share to kill time?

A guy walks into a doctor's office. The doctor says "you've got six months to live". The guy says he wants a second opinion. The doctor says, "ok, you're ugly".

Posted by: The Mega Independent at February 04, 2013 02:13 PM (dYRXi)

773 Once again, AtC hammers it home in a far better manner than I could.

now if Team Stompy could get some deep pocket sponsors...

Posted by: VIA, on the tiny keyboard at February 04, 2013 02:13 PM (BBhAt)

774 Yep. The price of liberty.
Posted by: KG at February 04, 2013 02:10 PM (p7BzH)


Folks should only worry when the arguments stop.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 04, 2013 02:13 PM (4df7R)

775 Leftward lurch compared to when?
Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 04, 2013 02:04 PM (SY2Kh)

During W's first term, Rove explicitly stated that he wanted to move the party to the left to take the center away from the Democrats. That's what "compassionate conservatism" and policies like doubling the size of the Education Department and adding Medicare D were all about.

Posted by: somebody else, no me at February 04, 2013 02:14 PM (nZvGM)

776 Great, Ace forgot about us again. Again! Today is going to suck.

Posted by: L, elle at February 04, 2013 02:14 PM (0PiQ4)

777 garret , and a lovely( pot of tea )(pretend that is struck out) bottle of wine.

Posted by: ette at February 04, 2013 02:15 PM (nqBYe)

778 So what're the odds this post makes it to 1000 comments? Anyone got any good jokes to share to kill time?

***

President Ron Paul

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 02:15 PM (piMMO)

779 Is it the phase of the moon that's making Repuke fucks say really stupid things today?
Posted by: Captain Hate at February 04, 2013 01:52 PM (bLwWr)

He's quoting Iowahawk aka Dave Burge, troll. Iowahawk is aconservative humorist--the right's counterpart to Bill Maher, only funny.

And what's with the 'Repuke fucks' business, anyway? I thought you guys on the Left were all about civility and shit?

Posted by: troyriser at February 04, 2013 02:15 PM (vtiE6)

780 Not trying to step on your opinions MWR.

Just sayin.

Posted by: eleven at February 04, 2013 02:15 PM (KXm42)

781 We need to get AtC a rostrum, some new thigh high stompers, and a riding crop. Posted by: garrett at February 04, 2013 02:12 PM (EissH)

I'll be in my bunk

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 04, 2013 02:15 PM (sbV1u)

782 "Conservatism without the crazy shit; like limited Government and fiscal responsibility."

#SlogansForTheGOPEstablishment

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at February 04, 2013 02:15 PM (QXlbZ)

783 Folks should only worry when the arguments stop.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 04, 2013 02:13 PM (4df7R)


The easy way for that to happen is to let the UN take control of the internet.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 04, 2013 02:15 PM (Qxe/p)

784
The RNC could begin to get my support back....

If they would announce that they will not agree to any more Primary Debates run by the DNCmedia.
None.
Nada.

It was insane to have all those dumbass debates that were designed to destroy our candidates.

Republican Primary Debates should be run by...Repubs...with conservative 'moderaters'.
It's what the Dems do.
We should do it too.

Posted by: wheatie at February 04, 2013 02:15 PM (BZMZX)

785 there is no "leftward lurch" of the GOP. yes i said it. if anything the party's become more conservative as far as fiscal policy in the post-Bush era (i know, i know, but still)

there may be a _culturally_ leftward shift in some quarters (though those trends go beyond politics) but then a lot of the same people complaining about congressional Republicans alleged RINOsity don't seem to care about any of that.

of course actual RINOs do exist (mostly from regions that don't typically vote for Republicans statewide, i.e. New England) but it's not like there's that many of them in national politics these days.

Posted by: JDP at February 04, 2013 02:15 PM (60GaT)

786 In other news, I do not have cookies. I am a sad panda.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 04, 2013 02:16 PM (VtjlW)

787 So what're the odds this post makes it to 1000 comments? Anyone got any good jokes to share to kill time?

***

Master Strategerist Karl Rove

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at February 04, 2013 02:16 PM (QXlbZ)

788 775 somebody else,

never quite grasping that the left would bolt further left and go full Santa Claus...

the GOP is better served going into the wilderness to punish the middle if it represents an alternative to donk vision....

if the GOP does not represent an alternative to the $uper $tate then I need a new party.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 04, 2013 02:16 PM (LRFds)

789 Republican Primary Debates should be run by...Repubs...with conservative 'moderaters'.

It's what the Dems do.

We should do it too.



Posted by: wheatie at February 04, 2013 02:15 PM (BZMZX)

and srsly ,quit having Iowa pick our players.

Posted by: ette at February 04, 2013 02:16 PM (nqBYe)

790 It is a sad day when a Dominican prostitute is more believable than the Majority Leader of the US Senate, but ..
is there really any difference ?

Posted by: Pres**ent Barack “Unexpectedly” Obama at February 04, 2013 02:16 PM (e8kgV)

791 Posted by: JDP at February 04, 2013 02:15 PM (60GaT)


I think bush doing TARP was the prog/left lurch. It changed the dynamic.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 02:17 PM (l86i3)

792 He's quoting Iowahawk aka Dave Burge, troll. Iowahawk is aconservative humorist--the right's counterpart to Bill Maher, only funny.

And what's with the 'Repuke fucks' business, anyway? I thought you guys on the Left were all about civility and shit?

***

I took it as a remark on Paul and Amash's assholishness

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 02:17 PM (piMMO)

793 Van Jones would not have been put on CNN as a "representative of the Democrats" in 1994.

The GOP Establishment runs CNN?


Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 04, 2013 02:17 PM (SY2Kh)

794 Shorter ATC -

"I prefer to die with my stompy boots on"

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at February 04, 2013 02:17 PM (EZl54)

795 **hands case of thin mints to AtC**

Nice rant up there.

Posted by: Muad'dib at February 04, 2013 02:17 PM (KjlbF)

796 girl scout mint cookies?

Posted by: ette at February 04, 2013 02:17 PM (nqBYe)

797 It was insane to have all those dumbass debates that were designed to destroy our candidates.


That is driving me up a motherfucking wall.

Posted by: eleven at February 04, 2013 02:17 PM (KXm42)

798 Ja my main experience with gunfire was when I got a round in the head. I still almost got that rookie bastard anyway.

Posted by: Red Baron at February 04, 2013 02:18 PM (Kxz3Y)

799 Just a reminder for my fellow Jerzee-ites


*If you are a registered member of the Green Party, Libertarian Party, Natural Law Party,
Reform Party, U.S. Constitution Party or the Conservative Party, you can participate in the
convention of that party, according to its bylaws, but you cannot vote in either the Democratic or
Republican Primary.

**If you are a previously affiliated voter who becomes unaffiliated, you must file the declaration
form no later than 55 days before the primary in order to vote in either primary.

Posted by: dananjcon at February 04, 2013 02:18 PM (jvd3N)

800 For fuck's sake stop that shit gotdammit.

Posted by: eleven at February 04, 2013 02:18 PM (KXm42)

801 Great, Ace forgot about us again. Again!

Careful or he'll never finish today's movie review!

Posted by: t-bird at February 04, 2013 02:18 PM (FcR7P)

802 For those who trot out the McCain or Romney analogy for why we should go full retard with our candidates, at least they actually won statewide as Senator and Governor.

That's a hell of a lot more than I can say for the O'Donnell/Angle wing of the Party.

Posted by: McAdams at February 04, 2013 02:18 PM (b+B3L)

803 A man and his gazelle walk into a London pub. The man orders a drink and the gazelle lies down beside him.

Another man walks into the pub and sees the man and his pet. "'ere, wassat lyin' there?" he asks.

The first man looks up from his Guinness and says, "''snot a lion. Issa gazelle."

*ba dum bum!*

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 04, 2013 02:18 PM (4df7R)

804 435...Ron Paul insults Chris Kyle


jeeeez......

I wish that old fuck would vanish.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at February 04, 2013 02:18 PM (jeBLf)

805 Excuse me, but you do remember that the Dems did in fact have total
control of government for a few years after 2006? Where they want to go,
we are still headed for, just a little bit slower with a Republican
House.


They had control of Congress, but not the presidency.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 04, 2013 02:19 PM (SY2Kh)

806 It's true that "Akin wasn't the Tea Party candidate in a three-way race" but who was, and why was it a three-way race?

Whose interference set up a three-way race that McCaskill could manipulate?

Until you are honest enough to proclaim this, all the rest is just empty bluster, fuming against "the establishment" some some dumb hippy chick from the '60s.

Posted by: Adjoran at February 04, 2013 02:19 PM (9uOra)

807 >>It is a sad day when a Dominican prostitute is more believable than the Majority Leader of the US Senate

I'm pretty damn old and I don't remember a time when that wasn't true.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at February 04, 2013 02:19 PM (epxV4)

808 "I think bush doing TARP was the prog/left lurch. It changed the dynamic."

i don't get with this has to do with any Obama-era initiatives though, all of which have been near-unanimously opposed by the GOP.

Posted by: JDP at February 04, 2013 02:19 PM (60GaT)

809 793 HollowPoint,

Obtuse much there tiger?

No way in hell would the DNC have allowed Van "Red" Jones to carry the Democrat torch on CNN with tacit approval and used as a national campaign asset.

George W Bush gave Nanzi permission to go full tard.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 04, 2013 02:19 PM (LRFds)

810 Good Lord it's stinky in here.

Open a window.

Posted by: RWC at February 04, 2013 02:19 PM (fWAjv)

811 Amnesty, Do it For The Children... who need cheap nannies and maids to look after them.

Now what do I do with my underage dominican "nanny"?

Posted by: rickb223 at February 04, 2013 02:19 PM (GFM2b)

812 and srsly ,quit having Iowa pick our players.

Posted by: ette at February 04, 2013 02:16 PM (nqBYe)


Don't start that shit. Tell me, what candidate did Iowa pick? Romney? Nope.

Posted by: Marmo at February 04, 2013 02:19 PM (QW+AD)

813 i like this Adjoran fellow

Posted by: JDP at February 04, 2013 02:20 PM (60GaT)

814 You know what a good buzz at lunch demands, right?


NAP! BBL

Posted by: Billy Bob, The guy who drinks in SC at February 04, 2013 02:20 PM (wR+pz)

815 **hands case of thin mints to AtC**

Nice rant up there.
Posted by: Muad'dib at February 04, 2013 02:17 PM (KjlbF)



Thanks! For both. ette, would you like some cookies?


Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 04, 2013 02:18 PM (4df7R)

I laughed. I did.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 04, 2013 02:20 PM (VtjlW)

816 That's a hell of a lot more than I can say for the O'Donnell/Angle wing of the Party.

--

Can't we at least be called the Cruz/Paul (rand paul) wing?

Posted by: SH at February 04, 2013 02:20 PM (gmeXX)

817 why are we talking about Van Jones

Posted by: JDP at February 04, 2013 02:21 PM (60GaT)

818 In other news, I do not have cookies. I am a sad panda. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 04, 2013 02:16 PM (VtjlW)

Have I ever told you I make the world's best chocolate chip cookies?

The secret? Don't cream the butter.

Shipping cost from Alexandria, VA to NC is minimal. Jus' sayin'

You keep writing rantyness like that, and I'll keep you in chocolate chip cookies for life. Seriously.

Link in nic.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 04, 2013 02:21 PM (sbV1u)

819



McCain Compares Ahmadinejad To A Monkey . . . Lib Outrage Ensues…

Weasel Zippers

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 04, 2013 02:21 PM (9Bj8R)

820 They had control of Congress, but not the presidency.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 04, 2013 02:19 PM (SY2Kh)

Ahem, 2009 came before 2010, last I checked.

Posted by: KG at February 04, 2013 02:21 PM (p7BzH)

821 Wow that's weird, I was watching Becket last night too.
Between that and the people who were using Team America jokes earlier in the thread, I'm now convinced that this is a sign from God that I should rule the earth.

Of course, as an athiest I might be stretching it a bit, but I'm pretty sure God's involved somehow.

Posted by: jwest at February 04, 2013 02:21 PM (ZDsRL)

822 Careful or he'll never finish today's movie review!

Posted by: t-bird at February 04, 2013 02:18 PM (FcR7P)


Even money he's doing a post on the halftime show.
In the basement, with the lights off.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 04, 2013 02:21 PM (Qxe/p)

823 From your corner of Nebraska, do you have any insight as to how Hagel got elected twice?

Osborne was bad enough, but at least he was coherent.

I've lived in 3 "corners" of that state.



Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 04, 2013 02:10 PM (Qxe/p)

I'd like to be able to say that I have any insights into understanding my fellow cornfield folk, but the truth is that they make no sense to me. ._. Omaha's gone full retard, Lincoln is full of Obama stickers, and even in rural towns half the folk are "Eh, Obama's a nice guy, just in over his head." We don't seem to be able to correctly identify incompetence (Hagel) and malevolence (Obama).

Put briefly, the state is full of idiots, and my incapacity to figure out why is perplexing. x_x Must be something in the corn...

Or maybe I'm just not the same breed of folk as the rest of Nebraska. When I was younger, my favorite hobby was running into sports bars in Omaha, screaming obscenities about the Huskers, and fleeing for my life. >.> One time folks actually chased me all the way to my truck.

Good times, good times.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal, LiB acknowledger at February 04, 2013 02:21 PM (qKkJ4)

824 805 HollowPoint,

Yes, but the leftward lurch had the Presidency...

W never said "no" and in a Constitutional America the President does not get to use "make a wish budgeting."

Posted by: sven10077 at February 04, 2013 02:21 PM (LRFds)

825 at least they actually won statewide as Senator and Governor.

So what? What *good* did they accomplish? Did they roll back (or even try to) the Government Leviathan? Did they push for smaller, less intrusive/obstructive government? Did they represent conservative core values?

This is the question- what is more important- winning elections to no effect, or losing by standing on your principles? Me? I like standing.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 04, 2013 02:21 PM (5DR1j)

826 @805


*snort*

Uniting not Dividing!

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at February 04, 2013 02:22 PM (EZl54)

827 820 KG,

and 2010 didn't take office until 2011 unless my understanding of dates is off...

Posted by: sven10077 at February 04, 2013 02:22 PM (LRFds)

828 What "credible challengers" to Romney did they shut out? Last I checked, a bunch of others ran and two in particular almost beat Romney.

Posted by: Chris at February 04, 2013 02:22 PM (gI9Bk)

829 McCain Compares Ahmadinejad To A Monkey . . . Lib Outrage Ensues…

I'm outraged on behalf of monkeys. They're completely innocent here.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 04, 2013 02:22 PM (ZKzrr)

830 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 04, 2013 02:18 PM (4df7R)
I laughed. I did.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 04, 2013 02:20 PM (VtjlW)


You're very kind, m'lady. I just love puns. *blush*

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 04, 2013 02:22 PM (4df7R)

831 i don't get with this has to do with any Obama-era initiatives though, all of which have been near-unanimously opposed by the GOP.
Posted by: JDP at February 04, 2013 02:19 PM (60GaT)

It was a mass push to use government money to support private firms. It taught the citizenry that it's OK. No need to pay attention. When the gov gives corps free stuff the citizens argument is, I want my free stuff too. Think of it as a recruiting drive for the FSA.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 02:22 PM (l86i3)

832 Thanks! For both. ette, would you like some cookies?





Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 04, 2013 02:18 PM (4df7R)



I laughed. I did.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 04, 2013 02:20 PM (VtjlW)

we're in heaven at least for a moment,
nom nom.

Posted by: ette at February 04, 2013 02:22 PM (nqBYe)

833 789...and srsly ,quit having Iowa pick our players.

Hell yes.
The early primaries aren't supposed to be legal anyway.

I've heard all the arguments supporting the Primary Schedule.
And I am still unconvinced.

We should just have a Super Primary Day...and do it in every state on the same damn day.

Of course, all those early states like Iowa, would scream about it...because they make million$ off of the way it is now.

Posted by: wheatie at February 04, 2013 02:22 PM (BZMZX)

834 During W's first term, Rove explicitly stated that he wanted to move the
party to the left to take the center away from the Democrats. That's
what "compassionate conservatism" and policies like doubling the size of
the Education Department and adding Medicare D were all about.


Yes, that was fucked up, but it was also 10 years ago. Was that more leftist than Nixon's expansion of government though?

I don't see a big push in the current GOP House for expanding entitlements.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 04, 2013 02:23 PM (SY2Kh)

835 The UN Security Council is united on North Korea's nuclear arms program and will undoubtedly approve tough measures against Pyongyang if it carries out a new atomic test as expected, South Korean UN Ambassador Kim Sook said on Monday.

"The North Korean nuclear test seems to be imminent," Kim, who is president of the Security Council this month, told reporters. "Obviously there are very busy activities going on at the (North Korean) nuclear test site, and everybody's watching." "Everybody is unified and they are firm and resolute," he said. (Reuters)

yeah sure.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 04, 2013 02:23 PM (9Bj8R)

836 823

Hagel is (was) a conventional Republican outside of the foreign policy stuff as i understand it.

Posted by: JDP at February 04, 2013 02:23 PM (60GaT)

837 The letter comes the same day that Mr. Obama officially missed another deadline in the budget law by failing to submit his blueprint on the first Monday in February. The president has only met that deadline once in his tenure.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 04, 2013 02:05 PM (9Bj8R)

They seem to have the opinion of "so we miss the deadline, what are they going to do? impeach me?"

Until these rules are enforced and someone or someones is/are willing to enforce them, people are going to ignore them.

Posted by: really? at February 04, 2013 02:23 PM (/b8+5)

838 So what're the odds this post makes it to 1000 comments? Anyone got any good jokes to share to kill time?

My girlfriend is so dumb, she thinks you can only listen to AM radio in the morning.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 04, 2013 02:23 PM (zF6Iw)

839 831 OSP,

and just as anathema to economic liberty as Donka Claus...

W killed the GOP IMHO

Posted by: sven10077 at February 04, 2013 02:23 PM (LRFds)

840 brb, have to stir

cht.

ok just the stirring the leftover stew.

Posted by: ette at February 04, 2013 02:24 PM (nqBYe)

841 I continue to be a registered Republican so as to be able to vote in primaries, but have not and will contribute a nickel to the organization until they pull it together.


Same here, word for word.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at February 04, 2013 02:24 PM (7ObY1)

842
Don't cream the butter?
Blasphemer.
I'll put my cookies up against all comers. Nonestand a chance.

Posted by: garrett at February 04, 2013 02:25 PM (ikclX)

843 Hagel is (was) a conventional Republican outside of the foreign policy stuff as i understand it.
Posted by: JDP at February 04, 2013 02:23 PM (60GaT)

Outside of being a leftist gay hating military destroying unilateral disarmer appeasing asshole you mean? Oh and an idiot to boot? yeah a swell guy

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 04, 2013 02:25 PM (9Bj8R)

844 JDP said >of course actual RINOs do exist (mostly from regions that don't typically vote for Republicans statewide, i.e. New England)

Oh, you mean like Lindsey Graham and John Fucking McCain from those blue bastions of South Carolina and Arizona....Oh wait....

I think most of us get the fact that Scott Brown was about as good as we could get out of Mass. But, I do get pissed when we have squishy fuckers from states like South Carolina....

Posted by: DanInMN at February 04, 2013 02:25 PM (XqeyF)

845 Good times, good times.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal, LiB acknowledger at February 04, 2013 02:21 PM (qKkJ4)


Having been raised in South Sioux City, started my "career" in Omaha, and starting the family in Scottsbluff -- I know exactly what you mean.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 04, 2013 02:25 PM (Qxe/p)

846 We should just have a Super Primary Day...and do it in every state on the same damn day.



Of course, all those early states like Iowa, would scream about it...because they make million$ off of the way it is now.



Posted by: wheatie at February 04, 2013 02:22 PM (BZMZX)

love that idea, might actually make a difference.
which is why it won't happen.
brbing.food will burn.

Posted by: ette at February 04, 2013 02:25 PM (nqBYe)

847 The UN Security Council is united on North Korea's nuclear arms program and will undoubtedly approve tough measures against Pyongyang if it carries out a new atomic test as expected, South Korean UN Ambassador Kim Sook said on Monday.

"Tough measures," eh? What, you mean like withholding food and aid until they start begging again, "For the children?" The children who never actually get the food or aid, btw. It all goes to the military and the muckity-mucks. But why learn from past experience?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 04, 2013 02:26 PM (4df7R)

848 I would almost welcome a recipe thread at this point.

Posted by: Waterhouse at February 04, 2013 02:26 PM (xGlYu)

849 A rabbi, a priest, and a pastor walk into a bar. Bartender says, "What is this, a joke?"

Posted by: troyriser at February 04, 2013 02:26 PM (vtiE6)

850 Did Iowa pick McCain in 2008? Nope.

Posted by: Marmo at February 04, 2013 02:26 PM (QW+AD)

851 But, I do get pissed when we have squishy fuckers from states like South Carolina....

--

That's why it is important to elect a Ted Cruz. He has made Cornyn become a very conservative Senator.

Posted by: SH at February 04, 2013 02:26 PM (gmeXX)

852 That's a hell of a lot more than I can say for the O'Donnell/Angle wing of the Party.Posted by: McAdams at February 04, 2013 02:18 PM (b+B3L)
OK, Angle sucked, I agree, but it has to be asked: who, exactly, would have been better? The establishment candidate was a loon who talked about bartering for health care with live poultry and the other guy in the race never got any attention or traction.

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at February 04, 2013 02:27 PM (KSjsb)

853 >We should just have a Super Primary Day...and do it in every state on the same damn day.

Closed Primaries on last Tuesday in January
Open Primaries two weeks later
Caucuses two weeks after that

Done.

Posted by: DanInMN at February 04, 2013 02:27 PM (XqeyF)

854 843

i'm talking as far as his positions.

where does "gay-hating" come from, he opposed one guy who was videotaped laughing at a Catholic-mocking drag group. whoopdeedoo.

Posted by: JDP at February 04, 2013 02:27 PM (60GaT)

855 My recipe for cookies --

Buy Oreos pour into open container and let them go stale for 2 days.

Yummy.

Posted by: eleven at February 04, 2013 02:27 PM (KXm42)

856
I don't see a big push in the current GOP House for expanding entitlements.


Which is not the same as being "more conservative" in any meaningful sense.

Lack of expansion does not mean our current track is sustainable, or that we're headed in a positive direction.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at February 04, 2013 02:27 PM (FzhYM)

857
>>I would almost welcome a recipe thread at this point.<<

A herdy-gerdy, a fleedy-flurdy!

Posted by: Swedish Chef at February 04, 2013 02:27 PM (ikclX)

858 I'll put my cookies up against all comers. Nonestand a chance. Posted by: garrett at February 04, 2013 02:25 PM (ikclX)

Bring. It. On. Creaming the butter ends up creating a more cakelike cookie. Melting keeps it chewy, but also let's it crisp up. If I wanted a cake...I'd make one.

See you in Kitchen Stadium..

Kids, don't try this at home....we're trained professionals.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 04, 2013 02:28 PM (sbV1u)

859 A man walks into a bar....
OW!

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 04, 2013 02:28 PM (uhftQ)

860 Posted by: really? at February 04, 2013 02:23 PM (/b8+5)

this is the cat piss troll, curious

Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at February 04, 2013 02:28 PM (GVxQo)

861 >That's why it is important to elect a Ted Cruz. He has made Cornyn become a very conservative Senator.

Agreed. Liking Cruz a lot.

Posted by: DanInMN at February 04, 2013 02:28 PM (XqeyF)

862 You know, a lot of the current GOP in-fighting is a result of the Presidency of George W Bush, whose progressive policies really destroyed the Republican brand. A few examples:
- No Child Left Behind
- Medicare Part D
- Amnesty
- The Patriot Act
- "Nation-Building" in Iraq and Afghanistan
- Sarbanes-Oxley
- McCain-Feingold
- Incandescent Lightbulb Bans
- Energy mandates for household appliance (Why your new washer and dryer suck at their jobs)

And all of this Big Government was brought to us under the mantle of 'Conservatism.' Is it any wonder people think Karl Rove is full of shit?

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at February 04, 2013 02:28 PM (QXlbZ)

863 I am worn thin with this "we are still paying for GWB BS! With all his faults, he remains an American loving man of character. Would that we had him back over the current chaos!

Posted by: AnnaS at February 04, 2013 02:28 PM (5F76G)

864 2009 came before 2010, last I checked.

Your unenlightened insistence on stating facts why we keep losing elections, so knock it off. Embrace the zeitgeist. Get a tattoo of Boehner on your FUPA.

*eyes AtC's cookie*

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 04, 2013 02:28 PM (ZKzrr)

865 A rabbi, a priest, and a pastor walk into a bar. Bartender says, "What is this, a joke?"

That one's my favorite.

Posted by: eleven at February 04, 2013 02:28 PM (KXm42)

866 I've heard all the arguments supporting the Primary Schedule.
And I am still unconvinced.

We should just have a Super Primary Day...and do it in every state on the same damn day.

Of course, all those early states like Iowa, would scream about it...because they make million$ off of the way it is now.
Posted by: wheatie at February 04, 2013 02:22 PM (BZMZX)



I really like Jim Geraghty's plan. It makes sense, thus it will never happen.


http://bit.ly/vSyr7m

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 04, 2013 02:29 PM (VtjlW)

867 I'm stuck in a flame thread and can't get out!!

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 04, 2013 02:29 PM (0q2P7)

868 This is getting to be not fun. We need a new thread. An open thread would be great if Ace doesn't have anything.

Posted by: Soona at February 04, 2013 02:30 PM (z2jDQ)

869 @839
sven and OSP,

One of the best analogies I have seen is the "War King" to "Fraud King" analogy on ZH.

My poor summary : Why use violence and force to exercise power and control when you can sell fake snake oil futures and rule the world? Or where does capitalism stop and fraud begin?

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at February 04, 2013 02:30 PM (EZl54)

870 863 AnnaS,

and compared to the alternatives he was superior...

I backed him with cash and volunteer work that said "Genius Rove" and his refusal to attack democrats after 2005 along with Miers and Amnesty.....

stupid

Posted by: sven10077 at February 04, 2013 02:30 PM (LRFds)

871 McCain Compares Ahmadinejad To A Monkey . . . Lib Outrage Ensues…


***

Not JUST the left. Rep. Amash called it a racist joke.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 02:30 PM (piMMO)

872 I don't see a big push in the current GOP House for expanding entitlements.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 04, 2013 02:23 PM (SY2Kh)
I know, and I intend to spend shitloads of other people's money to change that.

Posted by: Karl the Turd Blossom at February 04, 2013 02:30 PM (KSjsb)

873 "Incandescent Lightbulb Bans"

when i think of how Bush tarnished the GOP brand, i think of this

Posted by: JDP at February 04, 2013 02:30 PM (60GaT)

874 Note how "works" in Washington.

Liberals want to increase spending.
Conservatives want to cut spending.
So, spending always increases, just not as much as liberals would like.
It never decreases, just not as much as conservatives would like.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at February 04, 2013 02:30 PM (QXlbZ)

875 Was Ace a 49ers fan or something? >.> It's already 1:30 CST.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal, LiB acknowledger at February 04, 2013 02:31 PM (qKkJ4)

876 Yes I'm going to describe 2012 as the last year we had hope.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 04, 2013 02:31 PM (0q2P7)

877 Posted by: AnnaS at February 04, 2013 02:28 PM (5F76G)


He only knows what he's trained to know. I like the man. His politics may be more damaging to the GOP than Obamas. He turned the right hard left. Until we can make people understand what he did, we can't even bring it back to center.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 02:31 PM (l86i3)

878 *eyes AtC's cookie*
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 04, 2013 02:28 PM (ZKzrr)



*slides a couple over*


(You know where certain people are going to go with you eyeing my cookies, right?)

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 04, 2013 02:32 PM (VtjlW)

879 W killed the GOP IMHO
Posted by: sven10077 at February 04, 2013 02:23 PM (LRFds)


Much as I respect Dubya, he killed conservatism. "Compassionate conservatism" has got to be the most poisonous syllogism since "affirmative action."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 04, 2013 02:32 PM (4df7R)

880 OT, and it's pretty amazing that we're still on topic after 850, anybody getting a tab "jot 1x1 pixels" that keeps popping up? The url is https://r.tw___.com/jot

I'm wondering if this is a tracking trick.

Posted by: t-bird at February 04, 2013 02:32 PM (FcR7P)

881 Posted by: sven10077 at February 04, 2013 02:30 PM (LRFds)

What was wrong with Miers? Perfect example of unnecessary and uncalled outrage from within some factions of the Republican party.

Posted by: polynikes channeling cognitive dissonant monkey at February 04, 2013 02:32 PM (m2CN7)

882
Kids, don't try this at home....we're trained professionals.


Does the audience get free samples? Proof of the pudding and all that.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at February 04, 2013 02:32 PM (FzhYM)

883 Can we get a new fucking thread please

Posted by: Mr Pink at February 04, 2013 02:32 PM (40B6+)

884 Best thing that can happen. Now it is time to force sides. Talk radio, Fox News is all played out. This is a different country now and it is the Tea Party that is dealing with debt, governmental back scratching, etc. The old guard were dealing with plenty and how to pocket it. We are now dealing with the fall out. We need Republicans to start picking sides and even defecting if necessary.
Romney was not the answer and we learned more about him and the Repubs by them losing than if they had won.

Posted by: sheboobie at February 04, 2013 02:32 PM (ctmVg)

885 UNCLEAN ! UNCLEAN !

Posted by: this thread at February 04, 2013 02:32 PM (EZl54)

886 Gentlemen, it's Dinosaur Season. The Establishment types are destroying the movement by watering down the message and focusing on an "electability" that doesn't deliver victory. I'm starting to think that they don't even want to win, that a lot of them have become comfortable playing the opposition on TV and making money off of failure. Parasites, the whole lot. We need new blood at the top, it'd be hard to do worse than the current lot!

Posted by: Cato at February 04, 2013 02:33 PM (WKBJa)

887 Must get youngens, love you guys, later.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 04, 2013 02:33 PM (l86i3)

888 @802
For those who trot out the McCain or Romney analogy for why we should go
full retard with our candidates, at least they actually won statewide
as Senator and Governor.

That's a hell of a lot more than I can say for the O'Donnell/Angle wing of the Party.


Posted by: McAdams at February 04, 2013 02:18 PM (b+B3L)
----
Good point.
However, Juan and Mittens didn't have to run against both a democrat and their own party leadership during the general election.

Posted by: Mark E at February 04, 2013 02:33 PM (w5RwR)

889 Bush's entire 2000 campaign was a leftward lurch. What is 'compassionate conservatism' other than an abandonment of the core values? Recall how even 'conservative' pundits wrote columns about how terrible it was that the GOP was becoming the 'Party of No' and made that into something GOP types hiked up their skirts and ran away from. It should have been a banner to fly proudly. What, after all, is the most basic function of having small government than to say No?

The 2000 campaign was a squeaker because it was two guys who both came off as versions of Clinton that could keep their pants on. If there was any serious policy divides I'm hard put to recall what they were. Until 9/11 the difference between Gore and Bush was vague at best.

Posted by: epobirs at February 04, 2013 02:33 PM (kcfmt)

890 Does the audience get free samples? Proof of the pudding and all that. Posted by: ConservativeMonster at February 04, 2013 02:32 PM (FzhYM)

A select few of the Horde.

A very select few.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 04, 2013 02:33 PM (sbV1u)

891 Maybe it shouldn't be, but the lightbulbl ban is by far what I am most dissapoinnted in Bush for. It just encapsulates everything that is wrong with our dysffunctional government.

Posted by: SH at February 04, 2013 02:33 PM (gmeXX)

892 879 MWR,

Without conservatives the GOp is an unneeded party.

ergo...but yeah "compassionate conservative" 80% of what donks want at 95% of the price.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 04, 2013 02:34 PM (LRFds)

893 Much as I respect Dubya, he killed conservatism. "Compassionate conservatism" has got to be the most poisonous syllogism since "affirmative action."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 04, 2013 02:32 PM (4df7R)


Those are bad, but they are offspring of "The Great Society".

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 04, 2013 02:34 PM (Qxe/p)

894 Can we get a new fucking thread please
Posted by: Mr Pink at February 04, 2013 02:32 PM (40B6+)



You may wish to rephrase that or the new thread is going to be about FUPAs and furries. I blame you in advance.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 04, 2013 02:34 PM (VtjlW)

895 Oh, also, lest we forget, Bush gave us John Roberts, who put the SCOTUS stamp of approval on ObamaCare and stopped Arizona from enforcing immigration laws.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at February 04, 2013 02:35 PM (QXlbZ)

896 Karl Rove looks like me !!!!!!!


Disturbing

Posted by: Sidney Greenstreet at February 04, 2013 02:35 PM (Dll6b)

897 >>>>(You know where certain people are going to go with you eyeing my cookies, right?)



I was just out grabbing popcorn, 'cause I thought....I might need it.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 04, 2013 02:35 PM (0q2P7)

898 Ah, danke AtC. *munch*

(You know where certain people are going to go with you eyeing my cookies, right?)

I aim to entertain.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 04, 2013 02:35 PM (ZKzrr)

899 Nood

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 04, 2013 02:35 PM (sbV1u)

900 We'll be the 'Party of No' non-establishment candidates!

Posted by: Karl 'Mastermind' Rove at February 04, 2013 02:36 PM (F6KtL)

901 Any threat to the Two Party Monopoly on Power, must be destroyed.

See, Ross Perot, Reform Party....

Posted by: History, yelling again. at February 04, 2013 02:36 PM (lZBBB)

902 >>Can we get a new fucking thread please

Posted by: Mr Pink <<

No.

Posted by: The guy that says No. at February 04, 2013 02:36 PM (p/cQy)

903 well, I can see from my vagenda I have some vaerrands to run. Later tater

Posted by: thunderb at February 04, 2013 02:36 PM (Dnbau)

904 i find the focus on Bush's domestic policies sort of misplaced and emblematic of an "if it expands government, it's de facto bad" mentality. Bush expanding govt. in certain areas to be sure but this does not make him hard left.

i generally feel like not making the case against the nature of new programs, instead making it about generic Big Government, has been ineffective. Obamacare for instance, the GOP focused on: it'll cost a shit ton, it'll hurt jobs. but that doesn't make any ideological case against it.

Posted by: JDP at February 04, 2013 02:36 PM (60GaT)

905 old thread bumped up

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 04, 2013 02:37 PM (piMMO)

906 I'm a Crazy-bitch, but not a witch

Posted by: COD at February 04, 2013 02:37 PM (Dll6b)

907
Kids, don't try this at home....we're trained professionals.

Have your second contact mine own. This talk of your bodiless, tasteless (and deign I to cal themlifeless!)cookies demeans us all. I shall truck no more of it.
I will see you on the cookie dueling grounds, sir!

Posted by: garrett at February 04, 2013 02:37 PM (52tY5)

908 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 04, 2013 02:32 PM (4df7R)

Bush killed conservatisim. Really? Sheesh its getting ridiculous with the hyperbole and inability to determine cause and effect.

Posted by: polynikes channeling cognitive dissonant monkey at February 04, 2013 02:38 PM (m2CN7)

909 Much as I respect Dubya, he killed conservatism. "Compassionate conservatism" has got to be the most poisonous syllogism since "affirmative action."
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 04, 2013 02:32 PM (4df7R)


--------------------------------------------------


Where I think the last bits of conservatism started dying was when GHWB decided against having complete victory in Iraq, and then, declaring that the US should direct it's resources to being a "kinder, gentler nation".

Posted by: Soona at February 04, 2013 02:38 PM (z2jDQ)

910 Apparently the special today at Ace's diner is Regurgitated Post.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 04, 2013 02:38 PM (NTBjC)

911 @802
For those who trot out the Angle or O'Donnell analogy for why we should only nominate establishment candidates, at least when tea party candidates lose, they don't actively undermine the candidates who beat them.

That's a hell of a lot more than I can say for the Crist/Lugar wing of the Party.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at February 04, 2013 02:38 PM (QXlbZ)

912 What is 'compassionate conservatism' other than an abandonment of the core values?


I have always been offended by the implication that conservatism prior to 2000 wasn't compassionate. Wanting people to have opportunity to succeed and thrive and live good lives without being beholden to the government is somehow NOT compassionate? WTF?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 04, 2013 02:38 PM (4df7R)

913 A select few of the Horde.

A very select few.



So what you're saying is that AtC is going to get all the cookies. Time to petition Her Imperial Highness ...

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at February 04, 2013 02:38 PM (FzhYM)

914 Bush killed conservatisim. Really?

Posted by: polynikes channeling cognitive dissonant monkey at February 04, 2013 02:38 PM (m2CN7)


Yes.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 04, 2013 02:39 PM (4df7R)

915 Ace creams his butter

Posted by: Bob Menendez at February 04, 2013 02:39 PM (DrC22)

916 (You know where certain people are going to go with you eyeing my cookies, right?)

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 04, 2013 02:32 PM (VtjlW)


Bow chicka bow wow!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 04, 2013 02:40 PM (bxiXv)

917 So what you're saying is that AtC is going to get all the cookies. Time to petition Her Imperial Highness ... Posted by: ConservativeMonster at February 04, 2013 02:38 PM (FzhYM)

I don't know what good that will do since she has not taken me up on the offer.

They would be shipped to her and she would parcel them out based on her whim keen assessment of individual worthiness.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 04, 2013 02:40 PM (sbV1u)

918 881 Ploynikes,

What was wrong with Miers?

No judicial record as a judge to vet, supported affirmative action, and an unknown on guns.

Warren was a disaster for the court....sorry W did not earn a "vanity pick" and W didn't need to feed the notion that Schumer and Reid get to pick our picks.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 04, 2013 02:40 PM (LRFds)

919 "A select few."
Hoping that includes the one of us who live close to the home of The Big Red 1

Posted by: teej at February 04, 2013 02:40 PM (xBps2)

920 866...I really like Jim Geraghty's plan. It makes sense, thus it will never happen.

http://bit.ly/vSyr7m

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 04, 2013 02:29 PM (VtjlW)

-------------

He left the state of Oklahoma out of that schedule.

And also, there's this:

"Under this system, every state gets a week in the spotlight..."

Why? Why does every state need to havea "week in the spotlight?"

It's a big waste of money, that could be saved for the General Election battle.

Posted by: wheatie at February 04, 2013 02:42 PM (BZMZX)

921 Even some liberals understand that our Government is bloated and unsustainable; just after eight years of 'compassionate conservatism' the GOP has zero credibility as the party that will wisely and responsibly trim Government.

Nominating a guy whose signature policy achievement was RomneyCare did little to regain that credibility.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at February 04, 2013 02:42 PM (QXlbZ)

922 I don't know what good that will do since she has not taken me up on the offer.

Treasonous lout! You would deny AtC her proper tribute of cookies?

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at February 04, 2013 02:42 PM (FzhYM)

923 Barrel. ::: nods ::::

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 04, 2013 02:42 PM (sbV1u)

924 Argh....barrel.

Posted by: wheatie at February 04, 2013 02:42 PM (BZMZX)

925
A baby seal walks into a bar,
the bartender says, "What will be stranger?"





The seal responded, "I'll have anything as long
it is not a Canadian club."

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at February 04, 2013 02:42 PM (EZl54)

926 Treasonous lout! You would deny AtC her proper tribute of cookies? Posted by: ConservativeMonster at February 04, 2013 02:42 PM (FzhYM)

Not at all. I am merely pointing out the logistics of the situation.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 04, 2013 02:43 PM (sbV1u)

927 "the one" = those

Posted by: teej at February 04, 2013 02:43 PM (xBps2)

928
old thread bumped up
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse





From Feb 3rd no less.....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 04, 2013 02:43 PM (kdS6q)

929 Yes, that was fucked up, but it was also 10 years ago.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 04, 2013 02:23 PM (SY2Kh)

It was done by the person who is the subject of the thread.

Posted by: somebody else, no me at February 04, 2013 02:43 PM (nZvGM)

930 921

you really think Bush/the GOP fell out of favor with the public because of compassionate conservatism? really? as opposed to, i dunno...Iraq and the financial crisis (we can argue about the origins but obviously if it occurs on your watch you'll be blamed)

Romney was just too inauthentic in general, whether in a conservative or moderate pose.

Posted by: JDP at February 04, 2013 02:44 PM (60GaT)

931 obviously if it occurs on your watch you'll be blamed

O RLY?

Posted by: Negative GDP Growth and 14% Unemployment at February 04, 2013 02:46 PM (bxiXv)

932 An establishment Republican walks into a bar. The bartender says, "What will you have?" The Establishment Republican says, "Whatever the New York Times recommends."

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at February 04, 2013 02:46 PM (QXlbZ)

933 No way in hell would the DNC have allowed Van "Red" Jones to carry the
Democrat torch on CNN with tacit approval and used as a national
campaign asset.

George W Bush gave Nanzi permission to go full tard.


I'm pretty sure that neither Pelosi or CNN asked GWB, Karl Rove, or John Boehner for advice or permission before putting Van Jones on air.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 04, 2013 02:46 PM (SY2Kh)

934 One of the weirder moments for the very left leaning writers of Futurama was when the Bush admin did a stimulus labeled as a tax rebate, although it often gave a rebate to those who'd not paid any taxes. They desperately wanted to mock what they knew was an incredibly stupid act but also knew it was something that any leftist President would also have done and almost certainly would do at some point. So they compromised by making the resurrected Richard "I am now a Keynesian in economics" Nixon (who saw a pretty major lurch to the left under his watch) President of Earth. For some odd reason leftists regard Nixon as an arch conservative even though his policies were nothing of the kind.

At the time, didn't any of you wonder what the hell a Republican administration was thinking with such an absurd thing? Perhaps it should have been a clue.

Posted by: epobirs at February 04, 2013 02:46 PM (kcfmt)

935 Not at all. I am merely pointing out the logistics of the situation.


Logistics is a poor excuse for failing to procure cookies for Her Imperial Highness' personal whim and enjoyment.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at February 04, 2013 02:46 PM (FzhYM)

936 Where I think the last bits of conservatism started
dying was when GHWB decided against having complete victory in Iraq, and
then, declaring that the US should direct it's resources to being a
"kinder, gentler nation".

Posted by: Soona at February 04, 2013 02:38 PM (z2jDQ)


Poppy Bush was a poison pill tossed on to the Reagan ticket to keep all the country clubbers from being butthurt sitting out the elections. He was never a conservative; just ask the Eastern European countries he urged to go slow on tossing off communism in 1989 after Reagan gave them the green light.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 04, 2013 02:47 PM (bLwWr)

937 Compassionate Conservatism (ugh) insists on itself.
All those other guys? Not compassionate.

Us?
We're doing it right!

Sound like the tactics of anyone else you know?

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at February 04, 2013 02:48 PM (EZl54)

938 Any threat to the Two Party Monopoly on Power, must be destroyed. See, Ross Perot, Reform Party....
Posted by: History, yelling again. at February 04, 2013 02:36 PM (lZBBB)

Perot was a jackassbillionaire egomaniac who managed to split off Republican votes and hand the election to Clinton on a platter. And then of course there was Perot's claim that his family was being threatened by ninja mystery men of some sort, lurking around his yard somewhere, rustling in the bushes.

I did like the Sesame Street spin-off character 'Ross Parrot', though. My daughter was enamored of Sesame Street at the time. Thank God she didn't like Barney.

Posted by: troyriser at February 04, 2013 02:48 PM (vtiE6)

939 Logistics is a poor excuse for failing to procure cookies for Her Imperial Highness' personal whim and enjoyment. Posted by: ConservativeMonster at February 04, 2013 02:46 PM (FzhYM)

Excellent point.

Failing to deliver them to her promptly should be cause for capital punishment.

Therefore I highly suggest you get yourself to Reagan National by 5 pm so as to catch the 6:10 to Charlotte.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 04, 2013 02:49 PM (sbV1u)

940 Posted by: sven10077 at February 04, 2013 02:40 PM (LRFds)

Miers did not support affirmative actions in the manner you indicate which I assume you mean quotas. Also her position on guns as a Texan was well known.

The same liberties that ensure a free society make the innocent vulnerable to those who prevent rights and privileges and commit senseless and cruel acts," she wrote in Texas Lawyer when she was president of the state bar. "Those precious liberties include free speech, freedom to assemble ... access to public places, the right to bear arms and freedom from constant surveillance."We are not willing to sacrifice these rights because of the acts of maniacs." - Hrriert Miers

Also Miers wasn't an Ivy leaguer and was a Mathematics undergraduate and would school anyone on Contract Law on the Court now. That would besomething people here would embrace I guess unless they have another meme they have to support.

Posted by: polynikes at February 04, 2013 02:52 PM (m2CN7)

941 825
at least they actually won statewide as Senator and Governor.

So
what? What *good* did they accomplish? Did they roll back (or even try
to) the Government Leviathan? Did they push for smaller, less
intrusive/obstructive government? Did they represent conservative core
values?

This is the question- what is more important- winning
elections to no effect, or losing by standing on your principles? Me? I
like standing.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart

By "standing", to mean being humiliated in defeat? Please tell me what was accomplished by Christine O'Donnell and Sharon Angle getting destroyed in an election?

The idea that Romney or McCain lost because they were insufficiently conservative is so tired, it's like arguing with a child about the boogie man.

Our country would have been in far better shape had either man defeated Obama. That's how I view politics, not some sort of abstract contest of how pure a candidate can we field. Every politician is a compromise, that's how things work in the world of grown ups.

Posted by: McAdams at February 04, 2013 02:54 PM (b+B3L)

942 #930

There is a theory I first heard from David Brin, that Presidents come in two modes: Father and Grandfather. (Brin then used this in defense of Jimmy Carter, so the application of the concept can be more than a little flawed.) Father President is the disciplinarian who will do what is right for you in the long term rather than what you want to do right now. Grandfather President is indulgent and says you can do no wrong and he is there with money to bail you out if you screw up.

Grandpa may be a lot more fun but there are times when we realize we need Dad to put us on the right track, even if we grumble all the while. In 2012 we needed a Dad candidate and Romney was in Grandpa mode.

Posted by: epobirs at February 04, 2013 02:55 PM (kcfmt)

943 Insult Hillary to her face and she will smack you with her FUPA!

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 04, 2013 02:55 PM (uhftQ)

944 Posted by: epobirs at February 04, 2013 02:46 PM (kcfmt)

So if they would have given a tax rebate back to just those that had paid taxes that would have been good right? Or no?

Posted by: polynikes at February 04, 2013 02:55 PM (m2CN7)

945 940 Polynikes,

She sure as hell did support continued preferences based on gender, and in supporting gender preferences what argument can then be made to thwart race based ones?

Posted by: sven10077 at February 04, 2013 02:57 PM (LRFds)

946 Good luck winning another national election without us.


Posted by: Major Kong

With or without "Tea Party" or grassroots votes, the GOP won't be winning national elections unless GOP "victory" translates to playing the perennial runner-up. It was a PC honor to simply be nominated for the campaign/office. We're all winners so long as we share values with Obama who stated (regarding Middle Eastern wars) that he wasn't interested in victory.

The 2012 GOP National Convention made votes irrelevant. Take what you're given and do as you're told by your elitist "betters". That marked the next GOP "gift" to American since initiating the Patriot Act and DHS which have paved the freeway bypassing the US Constitution in all matters.

Posted by: panzernashorn at February 04, 2013 02:59 PM (MhA4j)

947 and Rove, Crossroads, wherever you are out there ....

FUCK YOU TOO !!!!

Posted by: Lt Col Frank Slade at February 04, 2013 03:00 PM (wwsoB)

948 A penguin is driving along in his car when he hears his engine making some strange sounds. So he pulls into a mechanic's shop and the mechanic says he'll take a look at it and it'll take a half hour or so.

The penguin sees an ice cream shop across the street, so he goes over and orders a vanilla ice cream cone. It's a hot day, so he eats his ice cream cone fast before it melts.

He goes back to the mechanic's shop to find the mechanic checking out his car and asks the mechanic about his car. The mechanic looks at him and says "It looks like you blew a seal."

The penguin wipes his mouth and says "No, it's just ice cream."

Posted by: Marmo at February 04, 2013 03:00 PM (QW+AD)

949 She sure as hell did support continued preferences based on gender, and in supporting gender preferences what argument can then be made to thwart race based ones?
Posted by: sven10077 at February 04, 2013 02:57 PM (LRFds)

She did not support quotas. As a woman she supported breaking the glass ceiling in which she was a pioneer. She supported measures to prevent gender discrimination but not quotas.

Posted by: polynikes at February 04, 2013 03:01 PM (m2CN7)

950 Failing to deliver them to her promptly should be cause for capital punishment.

Therefore I highly suggest you get yourself to Reagan National by 5 pm so as to catch the 6:10 to Charlotte.



/omnomnom


What? You wouldn't want to deliver sub-standard cookies, would you? Quality assurance is a necessary part of the logistics chain.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at February 04, 2013 03:02 PM (FzhYM)

951 #936

I recall Bush the Elder having some diametrically opposed positions to Reagan when they were both vying for the candidacy. One critic referred to Bush having a spinectomy as part of accepting the VP role. OTOH, he did his job, taking on Reagan's positions as required. If nothing else, when bought he stayed bought.

We may have been better off if a weak Dem won in 88, damaging the Bush brand and opening the way for someone worthy of following Reagan. Who that would have been is something I'd leave to those who were older and have better knowledge of the likely candidates. It's also possible that Reagan was an immense anomaly that is nearly impossible to reproduce.

Posted by: epobirs at February 04, 2013 03:03 PM (kcfmt)

952 951. Dukakis v. Bush 1988

Posted by: panzernashorn at February 04, 2013 03:06 PM (MhA4j)

953 949 Polynikes,

She was going to a job where you can't be removed and in a position to allow her wings to bloom.

Forgive me for preferring a case law record dealing with the issues at the Federal level.

Sandra D's idiocy on AA was bad enough.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 04, 2013 03:08 PM (LRFds)

954 #944

It wouldn't have made a mockery of the language, for starters. The stimulus was a bad Keynesian idea, of course, but wrapping it in semantic nonsense was just piling on the stupid. Did they think they could distract from the base stupidity by applying a coat of stupid-colored paint?

But all that is beside the point. What matters is that the left knew this was stealing a page from their own book and that a genuine conservative administration would never have given the idea more than a minute's consideration.

Posted by: epobirs at February 04, 2013 03:10 PM (kcfmt)

955 Rather than CIA Bush assuming "voodoo econ" Reagan positions during Reagan's administrations, think again. Once Reagan was shot, the administration became neoconservative Bush's in effect, marked by a few politically incorrect "evil empire" outspoken remarks by the Gipper. Reagan even allowed sponsorship of the Brady Act against civil liberties, 2nd Amendment, for example, which had nothing to do with Governor Reagan's positions or his initial campaign as POTUS.

Posted by: panzernashorn at February 04, 2013 03:12 PM (MhA4j)

956
She sure as hell did support continued preferences based on gender
Posted by: sven10077



"....during Miers tenure as President, the State Bar of Texas passed a resolution urging Texas law firms to set a goal of hiring one qualified minority lawyer for every 10 new associates. The directors also reiterated support for a policy of setting aside a specific number of seats on the board for women and minorities. "

Goals, dear boy, goals. And the occasional policy or two. Quotas? Perish the thought!

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 04, 2013 03:13 PM (kdS6q)

957 #952

Yes, I know. Dukakis would likely been a one-termer but getting elected at all was beyond him. The idea was to break Bush's momentum but not hand things over to the Dems for eight years. Which we ended up doing with Clinton. If not for the highly flawed Newt Gingrich it could have been a far worse time. But nobody came forward in 2000 who would run unashamedly as a conservative that had the other needed qualities.

Posted by: epobirs at February 04, 2013 03:16 PM (kcfmt)

958 Whatever her virtues and defects, the biggest thing Harriet Miers had going against her was when nominated, everybody who made part of their living prognosticating on who might be the next Supreme Court nominee went, "Who?"

It seemed at the time a lot of resistance came from that sector angered at being caught by surprise.

Posted by: epobirs at February 04, 2013 03:20 PM (kcfmt)

959 Goals, dear boy, goals. And the occasional policy or two. Quotas? Perish the thought!
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 04, 2013 03:13 PM (kdS6q)

The Bar, not Mierspassed a RESOLUTION to set GOALS at a time where there was clear discrimination within law firms. But of course that means Miers supported a law establishing quotas.

Posted by: polynikes at February 04, 2013 03:20 PM (m2CN7)

960 953, sven, Don't equate H.Miers with S.D.O'Connor as if the same, both being females, or if you're claiming both being idiots, without accurate comparisons from their judgments or record as attorneys. It seems that Polynikes corrected your misconception regarding being pro-quota, as you'd claimed she was an activist for affirmative action. As it happened without fanfare, Miers specialized in tort law, very significant without enough champions in the SCOTUS.

Posted by: panzernashorn at February 04, 2013 03:21 PM (MhA4j)

961 Posted by: epobirs at February 04, 2013 03:10 PM (kcfmt)

I don't disagree entirely but I must assume then that you alsodisagree with Perry's proosal for Texas which was celebrated here bymost morons excluding me?

Posted by: polynikes at February 04, 2013 03:24 PM (m2CN7)

962 everybody who made part of their living prognosticating on who might be the next Supreme Court nominee went, "Who?"
__

...As if that's the SCOTUS litmus test, being part of the "everybody" shit for brains clique? No wonder Bork was brutalized.

I recall when Sandra Day O'Connor was nominated by Reagan to the SCOTUS. At the time, she was a national unknown element outside of the State of Arizona law community.

Posted by: panzernashorn at February 04, 2013 03:26 PM (MhA4j)

963 960 Panzer,

Miers was liable to be another Kennedy who had at least a record showing some judicial restraint.

Yes Miers would have been good on tort reform, but oddly the lack of Federal paper trail is why I suspect she would have been a Sandy D type "surprise!" justice.

The democrats "mysteriously" get to pick absolute locks to carry their water but the GOP plays "marco polo!"

Sorry I never could get behind "let's find out" and frankly after Roberts I'm of the mind that "we need SCotUS picks" is not a persuasive one.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 04, 2013 03:26 PM (LRFds)

964
a RESOLUTION to set GOALS at a time where there was clear discrimination within law firms.
Posted by: polynikes




That time being the 90s. How well I remember that cruel racist era. Jim Crow, "whites only" drinking fountains, parachute pants....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 04, 2013 03:26 PM (kdS6q)

965 Once Reagan was shot, the administration became neoconservative Bush's in effect, marked by a few politically incorrect "evil empire" outspoken remarks by the Gipper. Reagan even allowed sponsorship of the Brady Act against civil liberties, 2nd Amendment, for example, which had nothing to do with Governor Reagan's positions or his initial campaign as POTUS.
Posted by: panzernashorn at February 04, 2013 03:12 PM (MhA4j)

I'm sorry Reagan was a quasi-mindless, damaged puppet of his Vice President, which is, of course, news to me and everyone else. Sorry too he fell short of your lofty conservative ideals. Who wouldn't?

News: Reagan was nobody's puppet and, like the rest of the human race, was capable of making the occasional bad decisions. But I'm curious: where in the world do your conclusions come from? What facts can you present to support your argument, such as it is? Volumes have been written about the Reagan-era White House. I've read or scanned several. Even his political enemies grant that he was, in many respects, a shrewd political animal, someone who knew how to work with (and win over) people who would otherwise oppose him every step of the way, very much unlike our current President, who is touted for political skills he's never possessed.

Posted by: troyriser at February 04, 2013 03:28 PM (vtiE6)

966 That time being the 90s. How well I remember that cruel racist era. Jim Crow, "whites only" drinking fountains, parachute pants....
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 04, 2013 03:26 PM (kdS6q)

Are you from Texas?

Posted by: polynikes at February 04, 2013 03:29 PM (m2CN7)

967 964 LDC,

well admittedly I did once cross the street to avoid a female lawyer...

*hairshirt search party"

Posted by: sven10077 at February 04, 2013 03:30 PM (LRFds)

968 966 Polynikes,

I lived in Texas of the '90s, frankly I am against affirmative action as fuel for racial antipathy and believe "equal means equal" and that the market will punish bad actors on a long enough timeline.

You obviously disagree then?

Posted by: sven10077 at February 04, 2013 03:31 PM (LRFds)

969 Posted by: sven10077 at February 04, 2013 03:31 PM (LRFds)

I don't believe in quotas and never will but I am also not naive to believe that law firms are not one of the most political good ole boys 'businesses' in Texas. I also believe its the right ofany trade or association to try and make their business less discriminatory. That is totally different than the government doing it by mandate.

Posted by: polynikes at February 04, 2013 03:36 PM (m2CN7)

970 963 sven, after the devastating Bush legacy from the Patriot Act, DHS, wars initiated with every intention to never end but perpetuate beyond 100 years, suicidal Rules of Engagement and perpetual redeployment forced on our military volunteers, NAFTA and amnesty for illegal aliens, temporary tax relief including "rebates" that cost more to process including taxpayer-refunding than stimulated economically, to TARP and his executive order granting Sec./Treasury complete autonomy after the greatest economic fraud at the time in US/global history, given his "political capital" deals, there was no reason to blindly support whomever Bush nominated to the SCOTUS.

Of course there's no argument with your 963 comment. Nonetheless, polynikes corrected your mistaken impression regarding Miers being a quota bean counting devotee.

Posted by: panzernashorn at February 04, 2013 03:41 PM (MhA4j)

971
trade or association to try and make their business less discriminatory. That is totally different than the government doing it by mandate.

Posted by: polynikes




Since, by government regulation, you have to be a member of the bar to practice law, saving that Miers pushing quotas -- oh sorry, goals -- on her members in her official capacity is somehow distinct from a government mandate is hair-splitting at best.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 04, 2013 03:45 PM (kdS6q)

972 965 Your point being that Bush did not zealously influence the direction that Reagan's administration took particularly after the assassination attempt? You deny that Reagan's leadership style was to delegate, delegate, delegate -- and then rely heavily on what was presented for his ultimate decision?



Posted by: panzernashorn at February 04, 2013 03:51 PM (MhA4j)

973 971 given the threat of bad publicity and law suits, the split ends would at some point need a good cut.

Posted by: panzernashorn at February 04, 2013 03:52 PM (MhA4j)

974 969 Polynikes,

and I am left with having to "use the force" on Miers because what precisely was her paper trail on the issue?

I prefer something more than a few Q+As and a position paper.

Bob Dunn credited her with supporting quotas.

I don't I grew up in an ethnically diverse community that was poisoned by quota chasing it is a deal breaker with me.

Yes, yes guilds and such are allowed to set rules....

pity more lawyers don't support granting the same rights to business owners, and vendors to refuse service in too many cases.

I am not going to relitigate the Miers pick.

Bush threw a hail mary on a vanity pick with what I used to consider the biggest reason to hold my nose and pull for the RiNO but Snrlen Arlen and friends taught me that the RiNOs support donkey picks and donkey picks.

It's a rigged game.

Barry gets his Vanity picks we don't...

neither should

Posted by: sven10077 at February 04, 2013 03:54 PM (LRFds)

975 troyriser

As well as any did, the staunchly anti-communist Reagan aligned with the
John Birch Society of his day. Yet that's not recognized by GOP
cheerleaders today who, having immersed themselves in revisionism, flaunt themselves as Reagan Conservatives and absolutely denounce Birchers as tinfoilhat lunatics. "That was then, this is now."

whatever


Posted by: panzernashorn at February 04, 2013 03:56 PM (MhA4j)

976 #961

You're going to have to refresh my memory, because if I ever knew what you're referencing, it isn't ringing any bells.

Posted by: epobirs at February 04, 2013 03:57 PM (kcfmt)

977 Reagan even allowed sponsorship of the Brady Act against civil
liberties, 2nd Amendment, for example, which had nothing to do with
Governor Reagan's positions or his initial campaign as POTUS.

--panzernashorn

But I'm curious: where in the world do your conclusions come from?
--troyriser

what's the point?

Posted by: panzernashorn at February 04, 2013 03:59 PM (MhA4j)

978 #962

It isn't a question of right or wrong. The issue is whether a crowd of paid SCOTUS watchers affected the outcome by taking offense.

Posted by: epobirs at February 04, 2013 04:03 PM (kcfmt)

979 #975

That is painting with a rather broad brush. By that rationale my misgivings about the Federal Reserve make me a Ronulan, despite being far apart from his stance on nearly every non-economic matter.

Posted by: epobirs at February 04, 2013 04:06 PM (kcfmt)

980 For the best National Anthem see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZQ7HWS_2y4

Robert Merrill , baritone at the Metropolitan Opera from 1945 to 1980 or so who sang it often for sport events, (and for President Kennedy) and sang it as written.

Posted by: Bill sometimes Bill from Canada at February 04, 2013 04:06 PM (HjeZV)

981 Then again looking back on it maybe she was even murky on Tort Reform...

she backed an asbestos "super fund" which is really just a cookie jar for Big lawyer...

she spent a lot of time acclaiming Snarlin' Arlen for my taste...

you just never knew.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 04, 2013 04:08 PM (LRFds)

982 976 #961You're going to have to refresh my memory, because if I ever knew what you're referencing, it isn't ringing any bells.
Posted by: epobirs at February 04, 2013 03:57 PM (kcfmt)

Giving a tax rebate to Texans. Proposed last week.

Posted by: polynikes at February 04, 2013 04:10 PM (m2CN7)

983 William F. Buckley - TEH ESTABLISHMENT goon keeping TRUE ANTICOMMIE Birchers out!

Posted by: Shoot Me at February 04, 2013 04:11 PM (qiXMt)

984 The Roberts nomination was praised high and low by Conservatives but you can't find any of them to admit it now. We had a chance to put in a non Ivy league Texan mathematics graduate that ran her own business and was an expert in Contract law and socially conservative but instead we gave the Democrats more infighting and propaganda ammunition that they could ever havehope for no other reason than a few conservative elites who didn't like Miers.

That she was labeled not too bright by her opponents on the rightwas straight from the liberal playbook and disgusts me to this day.

Posted by: polynikes at February 04, 2013 04:19 PM (m2CN7)

985 I just received an e-mail entitled "The Future of the GOP". I was hoping for a good joke...perhaps some decent satire. Just another fundraising pitch from the party in a State I used to live within...sigh

No mentions of Akin.

Oh wait - "despite the disappointments we had". There it is.

Posted by: akula51 at February 04, 2013 04:32 PM (YesJa)

986 984 Polynikes,

I said "snake bit Roberts backer"

Posted by: sven10077 at February 04, 2013 04:32 PM (LRFds)

987
I find the Palin comments to be a combination of funny and sad. My problem with Ace and the cobs about Palin has nothing to do with politics. Really, it doesn't. I firmly believe the underlying problem with today's society is the emasculation of the American male. Well, western men in general. After Tuscon Sarah Palin was visciously attacked by every news outlet in this country. She was accused of inciting mass murder. Forget politics. Forget how much her accent annoys you. That poor woman was accused of being responsible for the death of a 9 year old girl, among other victims. A 9 year old girl. And not a single one of you fucking Beta Male Dickless Wonders could manage to defend her as a man. Just a man defending a woman. Not one of the bloggers here could manage it. I'm shaking my head as I write this because I still can't believe it. What the hell is wrong with you people? Even worse, after 5 days of being vilified she finally released an eloquent and heartfelt speech and Jonah Goldberg couldn't wait to burp out a post at the The Corner about how she shouldn't said two words. What the FUCK is wrong with you men? Growa pair and fight back.

Posted by: Jaynie59 at February 04, 2013 04:56 PM (4zKCA)

988 Posted by: Jaynie59 at February 04, 2013 04:56 PM (4zKCA)

You've posted this before. What the hell are you talking about. Every post involving that shooting and mention of Palin was met with the highest defense of her.

Posted by: polynikes at February 04, 2013 05:36 PM (m2CN7)

989 As a foreigner I can see only one solution for the purging of the GOP to suceed and not turn into a Quagmire: A strategic alliance with the idealists of the left. Make a deal. They vote for the noncorrupt candidates in districts and states where the Rs are sure to win. You guys vote for the real leftists, the principled ones, in return. Throw the moneychangers out of the temple, and let the pharisees and the essenes fight it out afterwards in a purer electoral climate.

Its the money, maaaan. The godamn money. Or Mammon, for those of you inclined to religion.

Posted by: Fnord at February 04, 2013 05:46 PM (hoJnS)

990 984 The Roberts nomination was praised high and low by Conservatives but you can't find any of them to admit it now.
-
By almost everyone but Ann Coulter. She's not always right, but she's right far more often than conservative pundits usually are.

Posted by: Chromoly Man at February 04, 2013 10:50 PM (W/C2V)

991 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 04, 2013 02:04 PM (VtjlW)

Perfect. Every line, every syllable.

Absolutely. Fucking. Perfect.

Posted by: kent18 at February 05, 2013 05:56 AM (5gphn)

992 And Karl tries desperately to walk it back

http://tinyurl.com/ba7a83q

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Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
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