Bumped: A Military Psychistrist's Diagnosis of the Left

"I used to the think the brain was the most important organ, but then I thought 'look who's telling me that."

-- Emo Phillips, quoted by movieqique/bitmaelstrom.


This is some stuff I've been trying to figure for a while (but wasn't able to, because I never fell upon a key insight he offers).

The psychiatrist discusses the psychology of those in "wordsmith professions." Now, I'm in one of those professions (kinda), as is he, but yet I don't like the psychology of the profession. My problem is not that it's an unworthy field of endeavor, of course. (If I thought it were unworthy, I'd be DepressiveBlogger100 instead of DepressiveBlogger69.)

No, the problem I have is the easy arrogance of the wordsmiths in assuming their skills are the ultimate skills and all other skilsets are at best inferior and at worst not skills at all but instead demonstrations of crudity and stupidity.

Thus we saw in 2001 and on -- when soldiers and firefighters, men with the virtue of physical courage, were finally getting their due -- that the wordsmith class, after initially going with the flow and letting the Deltas have a few moments of the spotlight, began attacking and demeaning them again, attempting to reassert the supremacy of themselves.

The whole piece is worth reading -- he begins by noting his history diagnosing left-leaning draft evaders who feigned psychological problems or homosexuality to avoid combat duty -- but here's the truly key insight.

Over many years of clinical observation, I repeatedly confirmed the truth of Wordsworth's observation that "the child is father of the man". So who were these wordsmith cowards as children? In his great essay Why Do Intellectuals Oppose Capitalism?, Robert Nozick pointed out that wordsmith intellectuals-writers, journalists, liberal arts professors, film makers, television pundits-had frequently been children who achieved success in school, based on their verbal skills. They were rewarded with elite status within the school system. As adults, however, they were not similarly rewarded. Capitalism rarely gives its greatest rewards to the verbally skilled. Nozick tried to sort out the puzzle, and concluded that it is our educational system, where, as he put it:

"...to the intellectually meritorious went the praise, the teacher's smiles, and the highest grades. In the currency the schools had to offer, the smartest constituted the upper class. Though not part of the official curricula, in the schools the intellectuals learned the lessons of their own greater value in comparison with the others, and of how this greater value entitled them to greater rewards. The wider market society, however, teaches a different lesson. The greatest rewards do not automatically go to the verbally brightest. Verbal skills are not most highly valued... Schooled in the lesson that they were most valuable, the most deserving of reward, the most entitled to reward, how could the intellectuals, by and large, fail to resent the capitalist society which deprived them of the just deserts to which their superiority "entitled" them? Is it surprising that what the schooled intellectuals felt for capitalist society was a deep and sullen animus that, although clothed with various publicly appropriate reasons, continued even when those particular reasons were shown to be inadequate?...The intellectual wants the whole society to be a school writ large, to be like the environment where he did so well and was so well appreciated. "

As Eric Hoffer succinctly put it:

"Nothing so offends the doctrinaire intellectual as our ability to achieve the momentous in a matter-of-fact way, unblessed by words."

Nozick also observed that there is a childhood forerunner to capitalism -- the world of the playground. There, verbal intellect is far less important than action. On the playground aggression is as important as intellect. Being able to utilize aggression in the service of solving problems produces leaders not designated by authority figures, but by one's peers. Physical courage is valued highly. Cowards are mocked and shunned as "scaredy cats". Willingness to fight for oneself, without appealing to authority becomes a measure of status. It also provides real world lessons in human nature.

...

In that freewheeling world of the schoolyard, the good little girls and physically timid boys who craved teacher's praise were at a disadvantage. The schoolroom was their utopia, where physical aggression was banned and all problems had a verbal solution. Girls are usually more verbally adept in the early childhood years and gain surplus praise from teachers. In addition, such children, including boys who crave teacher's approval, receive moral approbation for being "good" while aggression is, "bad". Hence the future wordsmith intellectual grows up feeling smarter, morally superior, a caring idealist.

These self-flattering views carry over to adulthood, and shape the future wordsmith intellectuals' political views. If words can resolve all conflicts, then wordsmiths are exceedingly important. If conflicts within and between human beings can be "resolved" with words, then who better to play the role of savior than the wordsmith intellectual?

...

Capitalism embraces competition and competition requires utilization of aggression. Profound fear of aggression, and the concomitant dislike of action to solve problems, constitutes the underlying reason for the loathing of capitalism. The schoolroom is a model for intellectual utopia. Utopia is, above all, a conflict-free zone wherein no one is aggrieved. Whatever social problems exist can be talked out. Intellectuals and their verbal skills can show the way to harmony and peace. Having avoided aggression at an early age, these wordsmiths never learned Patton's lessons in courage. Cowardice is therefore the reaction that comes most readily in situations of danger.

As a psychoanalyst I belong to a wordsmith profession, of course, and I have a close-up view of its practitioners. They are overwhelmingly left in their politics and tend to think words are the answer to all serious problems. Their faith in the power of words to resolve conflict is almost absolute...

We are drowning in a therapeutic culture, saturated by a fantasy version of human nature in stark contradiction to the original psychoanalytic view, a view much closer to the stoics and St. Augustine than to Deepak Chopra. Unfortunately for the adherents of the therapeutic culture, conflict can never be ‘resolved', and they are doomed to disappointment. Never mind, there will be another self help guru next week.

The human mind, however, is in conflict as long as it is alive.

I don't think that the "wordsmith" class is inherently evil or unworthy. What I believe is that they have, due to their position, the power to comment upon everything, and in every dispute they will have the last word. It's their job to have the last word.

This means that the wordsmith professions are barely every critiqued by those outside the professions. Capitalists, of course, suffer the critiques of the wordsmiths every day, but rare is the day that the capitalists lodge their own critique of the wordsmiths. (Capitalism can punish the wordsmiths, of course, as it's doing now; but it's rare that there's an outsider critique. Most people who critique are, in fact, part of the wordsmith class to one extent or the other. Wordsmiths tend to understand only words, not numbers; and so while they continue to shed workers, lose subscribers, and lose money, it doesn't quite register with them unless the rebuke is expressed in words. Their minds are quite cramped and limited in that sad way.)

So, basically, we have an entire series of psychologically-related industries that never has bullshit called on them.

And when you never have bullshit called on you, you can believe all sorts of self-flattering things. The key ego-building premises favored by the class are relentlessly re-propagated by members of the class -- so of course it will turn out, ultimately, that Howard Fineman thinks himself superior to a decorated soldier.

No one whose council he respects has ever told him otherwise. Only those grubby hand-workers say things like this, and we can dismiss their words immediately, as they are not elevated members of the wordsmith class.

Every person in the world with a healthy (by which I mean "not self-loathing") ego naturally over-values his own talents and virtues and naturally under-values -- and even denigrates -- talents and virtues he doesn't possess. The first things smart kids teach themselves in fifth grade is that athelticism is overrated, and the first thing the non-academically-inclined kids teach themselves is that "people smarts" are more important than "book smarts."

This is just standard human behavior -- no point in knocking it, as there's no point in telling pigeons not to shit on cars.

But when entire industries full of people are never told they're overly pleased with themselves, the situation can become pathological. Any strong tendency which does not have a countervailing factor to check it can become pathological. And these classes have become, broadly, pathological in their thoughtless egotism and casual denigration of all other talents besides stringing some words together in a pleasing way.

Well, I'm going to chew on this for a while. I think this will join Julian Fellows' insights in the commentery for Gosford Park in my Grand Unified Theory of Human & Political Behavior.

Thanks to spongeworthy.


Posted by: Ace at 02:34 PM



Comments

1 first, but you're going to cross that out anyway?

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 03, 2013 02:50 PM (Qxe/p)

2


He destroyed his own blog.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at February 03, 2013 02:51 PM (GEICT)

3 Very Striking

Posted by: AlexC at February 03, 2013 02:52 PM (t7RJr)

4 Ermm....the barrel for Ace?--------------------->barrel

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 03, 2013 02:53 PM (UOM48)

5 Lol. So, is any one going to try to make "in the barrel" stick when it's the blog-owner?

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at February 03, 2013 02:53 PM (wbeNt)

6 Strike it all.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky poised in fluid situation at February 03, 2013 02:54 PM (baL2B)

7 Well, I was right. He kept my post crossed out.
That's the first time he did that, too.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 03, 2013 02:54 PM (Qxe/p)

8 I've been stricken...

Posted by: Kaptain Amerika at February 03, 2013 02:54 PM (a0o+l)

9 I picked a bad week to quit amphetamines.

Posted by: Striker at February 03, 2013 02:54 PM (d4vjp)

10
Barrel is too big for an Ewok.
Get the Brandy Cask.

Posted by: garrett at February 03, 2013 02:55 PM (2I6rq)

11 This may be woodchipper-worthy.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 03, 2013 02:55 PM (UOM48)

12 Well, the world needs intellectuals, too.

Not really. I just like to humor them. Makes 'em happy.

Posted by: Ditch Diggers at February 03, 2013 02:55 PM (eHIJJ)

13 Whew.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 03, 2013 02:56 PM (UOM48)

14 Is the wordsmith strike over?

Posted by: garrett at February 03, 2013 02:57 PM (2I6rq)

15 The mark of Zorro.

The mark of ace.



Posted by: eman at February 03, 2013 02:58 PM (j7rp0)

16 A professional writer will not unclog your toilet, but the guy who does may be capable of writing.

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 03, 2013 02:59 PM (J6hHs)

17 Another disconnect, or really a corollary to what Hoffer said, is that the great unwashed, or the flyover folks, or however the literati like to refer to us, is that we actually get things done.

And part of them -- the part that can't change a light bulb or fix a flat or protect their families -- is embarrassed by that and wants to diminish its importance.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 03, 2013 03:00 PM (GsoHv)

18 And part of them -- the part that can't change a light bulb or fix a
flat or protect their families -- is embarrassed by that and wants to
diminish its importance.


The collapse will not be kind to that crowd.

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 03, 2013 03:03 PM (J6hHs)

19 "It's really not that hard. You could do it yourself, no problem.If you run into a problem, I'd be happy to help you out."

Posted by: Things a Mechanic says and a Dr. doesn't at February 03, 2013 03:03 PM (2I6rq)

20 Ace- I think the military psychiatrist is trying too hard, he makes an artificial distinction regarding abilities and attempts to stick it onto an artificial delineation of life's endeavors. Too broad, too sweeping, too all encompassing.

Posted by: The Curious Disappearance of Seamus Muldoon is Free on Kindle through Tuesday at February 03, 2013 03:04 PM (qqZuQ)

21 I don't give a shit.

Posted by: Honey Badger at February 03, 2013 03:04 PM (M5qgo)

22 Its actualy a very simple proposition.... and one missed by most.

The Left believes that Slogans trump reality.

They believe that 'All Men are Created Equal'.... which means, to them, that all Men (and Women, and Teh Gays) must therefore be the SAME...

They believe in terms like Right to Vote (voting is NOT somthing given by God, or Nature, but by your form of Government, and thus is a Priveliege, or duty, not a Natural Right)...

They believe in the 'Right' to healthcare... which means to them that someone else must GIVE you somthing... again... not somthing inherent unto you....

They believe that "the Constitution is not a suicide pact"... because they want to change the terms, without amending it....

And they believe one of the stupidest sayings ever... that the PEN is Mightier than the SWORD. On the very face, its a silly statement.... but they say that the Pen can sway history... yet... the Sword (ie violence, mainly military) IS the one thing that has really driven history....

But the Lefts wordsmiths, BELIEVE this tripe.... which leads to the arrogance they show...

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 03, 2013 03:04 PM (lZBBB)

23 It's entropy.

The system eventually grinds to a halt. Nothing can stop it.

All you can do is make a new system after the old one collapses.

This has happened before and will happen again.

Posted by: eman at February 03, 2013 03:04 PM (j7rp0)

24 Why, I just saw this quote for the first time ever a few hours ago, while on a hike. Immediately liked it.


"No race can prosper till it learns that there is as much dignity in tilling a field as in writing a poem."

---Booker T. Washington

Posted by: Hell on the Wabash at February 03, 2013 03:05 PM (C+SsL)

25 Posted by: @PurpAv at February 03, 2013 03:03 PM (J6hHs)

I was at the supermarket this morning (buying Velveeta for dip!) and at the checkout I noticed that the credit card reader was loose. I jokingly asked the clerk if she had a screwdriver, and then tightened the screws a bit with my hands. Both the clerk and the woman behind me in line were really impressed.

What the fuck? Have we fallen so far that people can't even tighten a screw?

If so, then people like you and me? We'll be kings!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 03, 2013 03:06 PM (GsoHv)

26 CBD,

Take a bow!

Posted by: EC at February 03, 2013 03:07 PM (doBIb)

27
Word!

Posted by: Waldo Truth at February 03, 2013 03:07 PM (jwumz)

28 Thomas Sowell discusses the same point at some length in Intellectuals and Society--great read btw.

Posted by: Dark Ages at February 03, 2013 03:07 PM (JxJPF)

29 I've always been more impressed by people who do things than people who say things.

Sadly, I fall more into the latter category.

Posted by: JDTAY at February 03, 2013 03:07 PM (a0nis)

30 >>>I think the military psychiatrist is trying too hard, he makes an artificial distinction regarding abilities and attempts to stick it onto an artificial delineation of life's endeavors. Too broad, too sweeping, too all encompassing.

what do you mean? You mean you don't like his broad critique of the "wordsmith" classes?

if that's what you mean, I disagree with you and agree with him.

Let's stipulate the obvious caveat -- these are *tendencies*, not firm rules.

I, obviously, wouldn't think of myself who oversubscribes to the notion that the verbally-adept are King Shit of Fuck Mountain.

But it's quite clear that the main of entire industries -- like the news media -- do. I'd say at an 80-85% level.

Posted by: ace at February 03, 2013 03:07 PM (LCRYB)

31 If so, then people like you and me? We'll be kings!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 03, 2013 03:06 PM (GsoHv)

I have talked to young people about simple car repairs like changing brake pads and they look at me like I fix warp drives.

People can't do shit anymore.

Posted by: eman at February 03, 2013 03:08 PM (j7rp0)

32 Words? Just words.

Posted by: Barry the Gat-Totin' Orator at February 03, 2013 03:09 PM (WM+rJ)

33 See.....I never took "You sure talk purty" to be some sort of compliment.

F'n idiots need to spend more time trying to talk their toilet into flushing properly.
See how that works out for them.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 03, 2013 03:09 PM (bTPOR)

34 22---
They believe in MAGIC.
Seriously.
Pronouncing the right words, words accessible to only an enlightened few, will change reality.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 03, 2013 03:09 PM (C8mVl)

35 Hmmmm.

Like my wordsmithing? I'm an uber-intellectual, obviously.

Posted by: Mika Brzghrhkghinsky at February 03, 2013 03:10 PM (eHIJJ)

36 I can summarize a lot of our problems in one sentence: Too many people with Bachelor of Arts degrees and not enough with Bachelor of Science degrees or Tradeskill abilities.

Posted by: Grim at February 03, 2013 03:10 PM (tO352)

37 People who can, do; people who can't do, administrate; people who can't administrate, teach.

Posted by: Aghast at February 03, 2013 03:11 PM (x8Wor)

38 This entire theory, btw, is why I liked Sarah Palin in 2008. Native smarts and the ability to execute in the real world, esp. if there is an element of risk. It just naturally carries over to executive ability.

Doesn't mean the person can single-handedly take on the entire liberal community and emerge unscathed. In particular, the willingness to use ethics laws for nothing-burgers.

Posted by: Hell on the Wabash at February 03, 2013 03:11 PM (C+SsL)

39
I believe in MAGIC of a young girl's heart...

Posted by: Burnt Spoon With Brown Residue at February 03, 2013 03:12 PM (jwumz)

40 How do you change brake pads?

Posted by: EC at February 03, 2013 03:12 PM (doBIb)

41 Emo Philips joke: "I used to the think the brain was the most important organ, but then I thought 'look who's telling me that"."

Posted by: moviegique at February 03, 2013 03:12 PM (Cepxj)

42 If so, then people like you and me? We'll be kings!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 03, 2013 03:06 PM (GsoHv)




Careful, AtC better not catch you....

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at February 03, 2013 03:12 PM (GEICT)

43 but it's rare that there's an outsider critique.

Ahem.

Posted by: AmishDude, who gets harangued for his entirely appropriate critique of the Lawyer Class at February 03, 2013 03:12 PM (xSegX)

44 hmmmm good article, and reflecting on my own experiences in the school yard i have to tend to agree with him.

ive watched the 'smart' kids shrink away from open games like football, kickball etc...mostly they just stayed in their own little corner.

ive rarely ever seen them in conflict with another kid.

my first bully actually LIKED that i would fight back even though i would fail half the time. eventually, that same bully began sticking up for me if i got in a squeeze with others. its an odd thing about the playground.

the 'smart' kids for the most part, never had any type of bully/physical conflict or competition that i remember...unless you count thumb wrestling or some shit.

Posted by: southern by the grace of I-95 at February 03, 2013 03:12 PM (DnIpv)

45 Wordsmiths have taken a measure of themselves and the arenas available to all, and have chosen the few arenas that suit them.

One of the rules in those arenas (entertainment, news, politics) is keep the shit flowing or they might find out they don't need us at all and we're fucked.

Posted by: eman at February 03, 2013 03:12 PM (j7rp0)

46 I have talked to young people about simple car repairs like changing brake pads and they look at me like I fix warp drives.

People can't do shit anymore.

Posted by: eman at February 03, 2013 03:08 PM (j7rp0)


I'm good with all of it until I run into the large plug that ends up at the control computer.
At that point, it's off to the dealer we go.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 03, 2013 03:12 PM (Qxe/p)

47 Meh.. hate calling them 'intelectuals'... lets face it.. liberals were the boys in high school who couldnt get laid... and the ugly girl who never got asked to prom.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at February 03, 2013 03:13 PM (DGIjM)

48 I'm late to the party but want to comment on the thread below. Whatever happened to the concept of 'paying one's debt to society'? if you are a citezen, you are afforded ALL of our constitutional rights. Period. Can't be trusted with a firearm? that means u are not rehabilitated and must remain imprisoned.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at February 03, 2013 03:13 PM (tcw1u)

49 I'd say at an 80-85% level.

Posted by: ace at February 03, 2013 03:07 PM (LCRYB)

You are being generous.

I have spent a fair amount of time with these people, and the number I have met who understand that they are not the pinnacle of humanity is vanishingly small.

As I mentioned above, it is also a defense mechanism because deep down, they know that they can't cut it in the real world.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 03, 2013 03:14 PM (GsoHv)

50 The left is batshit crazy. I am not a psychiatrist, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express once.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at February 03, 2013 03:14 PM (l3vZN)

51 How do you change brake pads?
Posted by: EC at February 03, 2013 03:12 PM (doBIb)

Step 1: the car is at rest on flat and sturdy ground.

Posted by: eman at February 03, 2013 03:14 PM (j7rp0)

52 25?
...If so, then people like you and me? We'll be kings!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 03, 2013 03:06 PM


Yup....

Posted by: Jack of all Trades at February 03, 2013 03:14 PM (ULH4o)

53 Posted by: ace at February 03, 2013 03:07 PM (LCRYB)

What I mean (if I were a better wordsmith I might say it better), is that I think there is a spectrum of capabilities, and lots of people who don't make their living as wordsmiths have wordsmith capabilities. So, lumping all wordsmiths into the same pile with anti-capitalistic 'intellectuals' is a false distinction. Only a subset of wordsmiths are of that particular mindset. I may just be envisioning a different Venn diagram of the relationship.

*******
19 "It's really not that hard. You could do it yourself, no problem.If you run into a problem, I'd be happy to help you out."
Posted by: Things a Mechanic says and a Dr. doesn't at February 03, 2013 03:03 PM (2I6rq)


I actually tell my patients a variation of this sentiment frequently.

Posted by: The Curious Disappearance of Seamus Muldoon is Free on Kindle through Tuesday at February 03, 2013 03:14 PM (qqZuQ)

54 I stop reading when someone who purports to write something worth reading doesn't know the difference between dessert and desert.

Posted by: Blanche at February 03, 2013 03:15 PM (wEO4x)

55 It's a nice post and analysis Ace thanks.

If anyone here owns gattaca read this piece and then watch that movie.

It is a while different story.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 03, 2013 03:15 PM (LRFds)

56
I've always subscribed to a little thing I call the monkey principle.
If one monkey can do it, another monkey can do it.
Academics take offense to this. Mechanics tend to just nod and agree.

Posted by: garrett at February 03, 2013 03:15 PM (07XLx)

57 Step 1: the car is at rest on flat and sturdy ground.

Posted by: eman at February 03, 2013 03:14 PM (j7rp0)


Rookie.
Here, hold my beer and watch this ...

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 03, 2013 03:15 PM (Qxe/p)

58 Step 1: the car is at rest on flat and sturdy ground.


Step 1: cut a hole in the box.

Posted by: EC at February 03, 2013 03:15 PM (doBIb)

59 I disagree only with your assessment about over-valuing one's own talents over others'. I don't think it's necessarily the case at all.

I tend to value what I have to pay for, which rules out something I can do myself.

Posted by: moviegique at February 03, 2013 03:16 PM (Cepxj)

60 Nice post. Makes sense.

Posted by: rdbrewer at February 03, 2013 03:16 PM (Iyg03)

61 I have talked to young people about simple car repairs like changing brake pads and they look at me like I fix warp drives.

The huge underground cash economy is based on this.

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 03, 2013 03:16 PM (J6hHs)

62 >>>I disagree only with your assessment about over-valuing one's own talents over others'

then you are the rarest of creatures, a humble man.

Posted by: ace at February 03, 2013 03:17 PM (LCRYB)

63 hammer - nail - head on

Posted by: simpleton at February 03, 2013 03:17 PM (NGsLN)

64 No, the problem is that they have no clue about anything they are talking about, physics, history, economics, and they are arrogant about their ignorant certitude.

Posted by: archie goodwin at February 03, 2013 03:18 PM (Jsiw/)

65 18 Purp Av,

That is why I stress and beg everyone here to have a "second you."

The beautiful people are wrecking the ship on purpose and frankly the dutiful people who work for them will need more than pats on the head when the wheels fly off the train.

Gonna be a sporty 1-1000 years.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 03, 2013 03:18 PM (LRFds)

66 i added moviegique/bitmaelstrom's quote to the top of the piece.

Perfect quote.

Posted by: ace at February 03, 2013 03:18 PM (LCRYB)

67 "Nothing so offends the doctrinaire intellectual as our ability to achieve the momentous in a matter-of-fact way, unblessed by words."


*squirt*

Posted by: Anthony Weiner at February 03, 2013 03:18 PM (8hBZi)

68 eman: "People can't do shit anymore."

And that's pretty alarming considering the ease with which we can summon instructions, guides, and tips. Google it!

People are increasingly unlikely to do shit not because they cannot but because they will not. IOW, people are increasingly lazy -- ironically because the modern world has made things so much easier. Instant gratification has become a curse.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 03, 2013 03:18 PM (eHIJJ)

69 Shorter version: smarty pants can't.

Posted by: EC at February 03, 2013 03:18 PM (doBIb)

70
>>>>And they believe one of the stupidest sayings ever... that the PEN is Mightier than the SWORD. On the very face, its a silly statement.... but they say that the Pen can sway history... yet... the Sword (ie violence, mainly military) IS the one thing that has really driven history....<<<<

Many times throughout history, the pen was the driving force behind the sword.

Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at February 03, 2013 03:18 PM (qYDVx)

71 By the way, American education is just making this worse.

The PSAT score doubles the verbal and adds the math.

The SAT now has two verbal-oriented sections and one math.

The truly successful countries ignore the wordsmiths altogether (in part because no matter how good a Hindu writer is, he won't have the reach of a second-rate native English speaker) and focus on mathematics and science (and by "science" I mean what is essentially mathematics).

It'd be one thing if the Wordsmiths were even the smart ones. But they aren't.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 03, 2013 03:19 PM (xSegX)

72 Plus, much of it comes from doing what you like rather than what you are capable of doing.

I have known plenty of folks with non-intellectual jobs who are smarter than the average PhD. They have great memory capacity, can solve tough problems, and can understand complicated matters.

Ask a baseball nut to rattle off statistics and comment on game strategies, for example.

Posted by: eman at February 03, 2013 03:20 PM (j7rp0)

73 From a DSM perspective I believe the closest analogy to leftism is schizophrenia.

The dissociation from reality is very similar. Spatial disconnects from time and place. Confusion. Sharp and severe mood swings.

On the flip side of that coin, however, keep in mind that every time a conservative or erstwhile or putative conservative stays home and doesn't vote in a major federal election they're casting a de facto ballot for a liberal to be in charge not only of themselves but also their children's future. What type of disorder is that?

Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at February 03, 2013 03:20 PM (r2PLg)

74 The same is true of the theorists vs. practitioners.
I was watching This Week today and Krugman was on as usual. He's seen as an Oracle, for some fucking reason, though he's never had any real world business experience that I know of...except for advising Enron, and look how well that turned out

Posted by: Albie Damned at February 03, 2013 03:20 PM (Yhu4q)

75 a humble man.

Posted by: ace at February 03, 2013 03:17 PM (LCRYB)

I am second to none at overvaluing my talents.

But....I also recognize talent in others, and I think that is vital to a healthy understanding and appreciation of the world.

The "wordsmith" and his ilk do not value any talents other than his own, and that's the difference.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 03, 2013 03:21 PM (GsoHv)

76 Step 1: the car is at rest on flat and sturdy ground.

Posted by: eman at February 03, 2013 03:14 PM (j7rp0)

Rookie.
Here, hold my beer and watch this ...
Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 03, 2013 03:15 PM (Qxe/p)

That's what my lawyer told me to say.

Posted by: eman at February 03, 2013 03:21 PM (j7rp0)

77 OT butWALKING DEADMARATHON on AMC RIGHT NOW!!!

Posted by: katya the designated driver at February 03, 2013 03:22 PM (DoZD+)

78 Everyone's a critic.

Posted by: JohnJ at February 03, 2013 03:22 PM (Tt6ky)

79 77 Katya,

Hey that's on CSPAN right?

Stars some strapping lad from Searchlight?

Posted by: sven10077 at February 03, 2013 03:23 PM (LRFds)

80 So, basically, we have an entire series of psychologically-related industries that never has bullshit called on them.
---

The field is wide open and we have only scratched the surface.

Posted by: Penn and Teller at February 03, 2013 03:24 PM (VMcEw)

81 @77 thanks!!! didnt know it was on.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at February 03, 2013 03:24 PM (DGIjM)

82 This isn't a phenomenon limited to "wordsmiths". Any subgrouping with a specific set of skills thinks that set is of the highest importance.

Doctors.

Lawyers.

Writers.

The higher the level of education necessary and the greater the insulation, the more those groups feel that they're at the top of the food chain.


At least in my opinion/experience.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at February 03, 2013 03:24 PM (GEICT)

83 It'd be one thing if the Wordsmiths were even the smart ones. But they aren't.
Posted by: AmishDude at February 03, 2013 03:19 PM (xSegX)

******

When it comes to elitist "journalists", I think the correct term would be "self-appointed intellectuals". I don't think most of them were particularly over-achievers when they were in school.

Posted by: The Curious Disappearance of Seamus Muldoon is Free on Kindle through Tuesday at February 03, 2013 03:24 PM (qqZuQ)

84 But when entire industries full of people are never told they're
overly pleased with themselves, the situation can become pathological.
Any strong tendency which does not have a countervailing factor to check
it can become pathological. And these classes have become, broadly,
pathological in their thoughtless egotism and casual denigration of all
other talents besides stringing some words together in a pleasing way.


A psychotic can be broadly defined as someone who is no longer in touch with physical reality. See Noam Chomsky.

CBD-
as the old joke goes, an engineer is brought back to diagnose a faulty reactor, drills a hole, and presents a bill for $100k. When asked to itemize, he says:
Cost to drill hole: $1
Knowing where to drill it: $99,999

Posted by: pep at February 03, 2013 03:24 PM (6TB1Z)

85 Just like immigration reform the mantra of all news tanks...we need enforcement so goes the cry for gun control a Barbers twisted pole to suit the blue or red position of your vested interest..we have enough rules for each topic, it appears that we need some one to kick the table over in the game..

Posted by: Clemenza at February 03, 2013 03:25 PM (x59Gv)

86 "So, basically, we have an entire series of psychologically-related industries that never has bullshit called on them."

---see the psychological field

hehehe

the bullshit is DEEP in there...very deep.

Posted by: southern by the grace of I-95 at February 03, 2013 03:25 PM (DnIpv)

87 IOW, people are increasingly lazy -- ironically because the modern world
has made things so much easier. Instant gratification has become a
curse.


I think its more an incuriousness than traditional laziness.

Laziness can be an incredible driver for generating positive improvements...sometimes. There's countless examples where someone needed something to get done, but traditional approaches were too daunting/expensive and their intrinsic laziness compelled them to come up with an easier more effective solution.

The wheel is a prime example. Some dude got tired of toting shit around in his hands manually and figured there had to be an easier way...

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 03, 2013 03:26 PM (J6hHs)

88 @86 nobody of interest said you were naked?

Posted by: Clemenza at February 03, 2013 03:26 PM (x59Gv)

89 I have a cousin who has his Doctorate in Psych. At one point in a phone conversation he kept asking me how much I made in a sales position. When I told him, and it was more than he made he was astounded (neigh appalled), and said butI have my doctorate! I said "hey man, that’s capitalism. It sets value" Just to break his cojones. What he didn't care to know was the stress, risk and effort that went into the business I was in. No sales, no paycheck...so fuck him very much.

Posted by: Guido at February 03, 2013 03:26 PM (XLuH2)

90 there's no point in telling pigeons not to shit on cars.

---

Theme Song

http://bit.ly/12l5KXQ

Posted by: sTevo at February 03, 2013 03:27 PM (VMcEw)

91 Emo Phillips and Judy Tenuta might have been the strangest married couple ever.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 03, 2013 03:28 PM (E80AP)

92 Now the wordsmith has become a mental case yelling racist, evil, bad etc. the dismissive word of the day. And they do dismiss, others should not even be allowed to breathe. One example is abortion, they can not even SEE that a baby is torn limb from limb even if a picture is right in front of them. Stick their fingers in their ears, close their eyes and yell lalalalala.

Posted by: madamex at February 03, 2013 03:28 PM (Ztp7S)

93 The wheel is a prime example. Some dude got tired of toting shit around in his hands manually and figured there had to be an easier way...
Posted by: @PurpAv at February 03, 2013 03:26 PM (J6hHs)

I think the wheel and other sorts of fundamental inventions may have started out as toys.

Posted by: eman at February 03, 2013 03:28 PM (j7rp0)

94 "To change brake pads, it is not difficult. But first, the pads must truly want to change"

Posted by: Some guy with a College Degree at February 03, 2013 03:29 PM (bTPOR)

95 the bullshit is DEEP in there...very deep.
Posted by: southern by the grace


Are you saying it's bullshit all the way down?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 03, 2013 03:29 PM (NTBjC)

96 87 purp av,

That person, smarter than Choom by far.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 03, 2013 03:29 PM (LRFds)

97 The worst part is that the wordsmiths have harangued others into believing in their superiority.

An essential part of modern socialism is leaving decision-making to the "experts".

We've internalized this whole thing as a culture.

Did you know that, even in Europe, it's rare to have a prime minister who is trained as a lawyer?

The Democrats haven't nominated a P or VP since Carter who didn't go to law school (Gore flunked out).

Both Romney and Ryan went to law school, a first for the GOP.

Cruz and Rubio, for that matter, both went to law school.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 03, 2013 03:29 PM (xSegX)

98 One of the things that I stress when teaching young doctors-in-training is to know your own limitations, and that the mark of a good physician is to not be afraid of admitting (yes, even to your patients) when you do not know something.Some of them struggle mightily with this concept.

(Caveat: I may not be representative of the profession as a whole.)

Posted by: The Curious Disappearance of Seamus Muldoon is Free on Kindle through Tuesday at February 03, 2013 03:30 PM (qqZuQ)

99
thanks!!! didnt know it was on.




Anything I candoto help out a fellow moron. Gotta keep our priorities straight.

Posted by: katya the designated driver at February 03, 2013 03:30 PM (DoZD+)

100 Walking Dead marathon is starting at Season 1, episode 1.

Posted by: Invictus at February 03, 2013 03:30 PM (OQpzc)

101 The wheel is a prime example. Some dude got tired of toting shit around in his hands manually and figured there had to be an easier way...
Posted by: @PurpAv at February 03, 2013 03:26 PM (J6hHs)


In The Conversation over at Breitbart, there was a mention of the ice cream scoop. The patent for the scoop with the little mechanism that cleans the ice cream out of the scoop area is 100 years old.

Beautiful, simple and innovative.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 03, 2013 03:31 PM (xSegX)

102
I think its more an incuriousness than traditional laziness.


Posted by: @PurpAv at February 03, 2013 03:26 PM (J6hHs)

I think it's more arrogance than simple incuriousness.

Incurious people don't always demand that everyone live according to their rules. That takes hubris.

Posted by: JohnJ at February 03, 2013 03:31 PM (Tt6ky)

103 the people i know who go to school for psych always break things down to the person's childhood experiences. its almost like they live by that theorem for EVERY patient.

it drives em absolutely NUTS when i point towards third world immigrants who were once child soldiers and now own their own businesses/raise families...to show that they didnt grow up to be a 'psycho'. just a little scenario to smash their silly line of thinking.

they hate me.

Posted by: southern by the grace of I-95 at February 03, 2013 03:31 PM (DnIpv)

104 Here's what happens whena communications major meets someone who scraped and scrapped to build a business on his own...
http://tinyurl.com/abdpovp

Posted by: Albie Damned at February 03, 2013 03:32 PM (Yhu4q)

105 To be clear, verbal facility is important, it is a kind of intelligence, and we would be much poorer without it. TThere are far to many folks who aren't good at science or math, but want to be considered intellectuals, but just aren't. Their default is to become a verbal intellectual. Highly intelligent verbally-oriented people do exist {cough*Ace* cough} but there are a lot more pretenders in that area. It's harder to fake the other stuff.

The real problem is that modern society makes everyone want to be special and gifted, and by definition, they can't be. Sort of like Dallas made everyone want to live that lifestyle.

Posted by: pep at February 03, 2013 03:32 PM (6TB1Z)

106 , and that the mark of a good physician is to not be afraid of admitting (yes, even to your patients) when you do not know something.

The reason I'm still alive is because I had a GP who did that.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 03, 2013 03:32 PM (Qxe/p)

107 Anything I candoto help out a fellow moron. Gotta keep our priorities straight.
Posted by: katya the designated driver at February 03, 2013 03:30 PM (DoZD+)

Dang straight.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at February 03, 2013 03:33 PM (DGIjM)

108 Well said, Ace.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 03, 2013 03:33 PM (xjpRj)

109 I think the wheel and other sorts of fundamental inventions may have started out as toys.

This is one of the most critical aspects of creativity and "invention" -- to not see "things" for what they are, rather what they may become or be applied to in non-traditional ways.

Recognizing that stuff, pretty much all stuff, can be multi-purpose or retasked is a major leap in human development.

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 03, 2013 03:33 PM (J6hHs)

110 Hmmm, over value my own talent?
Don't think so. I know that I have some talent, and or knowledge, in a number of areas. But there are a lot of people who have a lot more ability in each of those areas than I do.
I have some first aid ability but the doc who put my shoulder back together is much more valuable to humanity than I am for just one example.
There are many others.

Posted by: teej at February 03, 2013 03:34 PM (R4WsQ)

111 I think the wheel and other sorts of fundamental inventions may have started out as toys.
Posted by: eman


No. Grog invent wheel.

One day Grog carry bunch of sticks. Grog drop sticks. Grog step on sticks and fall down. Everyone laugh. Grog laugh too. Grog jump on sticks again. Same, fall down.

Grog has idea. Grog put sticks under Mrs. Grog and move her fat ass out of cave.

You welcome.

Posted by: grog at February 03, 2013 03:34 PM (NTBjC)

112 92 Now the wordsmith has become a mental case yelling
racist, evil, bad etc. the dismissive word of the day. And they do
dismiss, others should not even be allowed to breathe. One example is
abortion, they can not even SEE that a baby is torn limb from limb even
if a picture is right in front of them. Stick their fingers in their
ears, close their eyes and yell lalalalala.

Posted by: madamex at February 03, 2013 03:28 PM (Ztp7S)
But the wordsmith (or pundit) does this not for his own sake, but to encourage his following to be more closed-minded. The pundit, in order to maintain his status, cannot afford for his following to be evidence-driven. Pundits only care about associating ideas they don't like with things that are already unpopular. That's the entire art of punditry in one sentence, and it's why Plato said that majoritarian societies always fail.

Posted by: JohnJ at February 03, 2013 03:35 PM (Tt6ky)

113 Posted by: JohnJ at February 03, 2013 03:31 PM (Tt6ky)

Bingo!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 03, 2013 03:35 PM (GsoHv)

114 The nice thing about wordsmithing is this: The dirtiest your hand get is changing a toner cartridge, and they have 'hand rubbers' for this now.

Posted by: sTevo at February 03, 2013 03:35 PM (VMcEw)

115 Mrs VIA has a highly educated friend that stops in once and a while.

She was explaining to me about Phil Mickelson(sp) wanting to move and pay less tax.
She felt it was wrong,because he had more then enough money, and there was a moral imperative to help those who are less fortunate,
My suggestion for her to share her large home (occupied by only herself) with the homeless family down the street fell on deaf ears though.
Perhaps I was wording it wrong.

This discussion was taking place while I was replacing her furnace air filter.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 03, 2013 03:35 PM (bTPOR)

116 so, our educational system crates entitled narcissists. Say, did you see Madison Wisconion. How about those teachers.

Posted by: joeindc44 at February 03, 2013 03:35 PM (rQHoF)

117 Capitalism makes use of those with advanced degrees partly for their smarts, but mostly for their speed. Advanced training makes them faster, not smarter; but all along the way the secret is never told to them.

The Goddess Irony often goes out clubbing with the Goddess Vanity.

They are serious party girls.

Posted by: eman at February 03, 2013 03:35 PM (j7rp0)

118 The reason I'm still alive is because I had a GP who did that.
Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 03, 2013 03:32 PM (Qxe/p)


Good for them. (And good for you too, I suppose)

Posted by: The Curious Disappearance of Seamus Muldoon is Free on Kindle through Tuesday at February 03, 2013 03:36 PM (qqZuQ)

119 i dont think psychology is bullshit all the way down, just like i dont think science itself is a load all the way down.

but they NEVER admit that they can be totally wrong even on basic concepts. onstead they just bend and mold equations and reality to 'fit' their opinions or theories.

when called on it, they lash out in pretty juvenile ways to say the least.

Posted by: southern by the grace of I-95 at February 03, 2013 03:37 PM (DnIpv)

120 The good news is, WE will all survive the collapse in pretty good shape.

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 03, 2013 03:37 PM (J6hHs)

121 Recognizing that stuff, pretty much all stuff, can be multi-purpose or retasked is a major leap in human development.

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 03, 2013 03:33 PM (J6hHs)


I got an email from my 90 year old friend with a bunch of stuff like that.
Do you know that a can opener (rotary handle kind) is a great way to open those annoying welded plastic bubble packs?

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 03, 2013 03:37 PM (Qxe/p)

122 Posted by: Albie Damned at February 03, 2013 03:32 PM (Yhu4q)

He should have hit him again.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 03, 2013 03:38 PM (GsoHv)

123 I predict in the not-so-distant future Americans will be more interested in those who do things in the real world than in those who can get a blogging job out of Harvard.

America was built on the pioneering spirit, after all. Hewing new communities out of a wilderness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhKg-IrYimU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Posted by: Hell on the Wabash at February 03, 2013 03:38 PM (3B52z)

124 74
The same is true of the theorists vs. practitioners.

I was watching This Week today and Krugman was on as usual. He's
seen as an Oracle, for some fucking reason, though he's never had any
real world business experience that I know of...except for advising
Enron, and look how well that turned out

Posted by: Albie Damned at February 03, 2013 03:20 PM (Yhu4q)

Enrons game was to fool people , so they needed people with titles..

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at February 03, 2013 03:39 PM (AWmfW)

125 Thanks for the suggestion about the role of school in origins of the disdain that symbol manipulatorsexpress for craftsmen and merchants. Politicians, professors,and lawyers weregood at school.
Hell on the Wabash,
Second the Palin nomination.

Posted by: Malcolm Kirkpatrick at February 03, 2013 03:40 PM (dITBI)

126 29--- "I've always been more impressed by people who do things than people who say things.
Sadly, I fall more into the latter category."

Posted by: JDTAY at February 03, 2013 03:07 PM (a0nis)

I definitely fall into the latter category too, but like you, I greatly admire those who can DO.

I generally agree with the shrink's and Robert Nozick's analysis of "wordsmiths." As someone who has spent decades in academia, I've made similar observations.

The one thing I've been puzzling about lately is why there are exceptions. What generalizations can be made about "wordsmiths" who are conservative and who respect the doers?

I have found that the conservatives I've known in academia have one or more of certain traits. They are traditionalist Christians or Jews; they have had significant work experience outside of "wordsmithy" fields; or they are married to decidedly non-academic doers.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 03, 2013 03:40 PM (C8mVl)

127 They turn heroes into villains, imbeciles, or victims.



Posted by: yerro at February 03, 2013 03:42 PM (m0sI3)

128 >>He should have hit him again.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 03, 2013 03:38 PM (GsoHv) < <
Another takeaway is that the little weenie wouldn't know how to defend himself, let alone fight back

Posted by: Albie Damned at February 03, 2013 03:42 PM (Yhu4q)

129 when i worked at a cement mill in pittsburgh, my boss usually turned away the college intellectual types with the quickness...then hired some of the hardest drinking street-guys to be found. and it was that way for years.

yeah, the job got done, and it got done right. and i wont belittle every college grad out there or whatever but good lord when one of them did slip in....they wouldnt make it to lunch time. very humorous when that happened.

Posted by: southern by the grace of I-95 at February 03, 2013 03:43 PM (DnIpv)

130
You know what's humbling? To be theJack of all trades and master of none. It's great to be handy and to be okay at some sports and a good driver and adequate in bed. But there's always somebody who just does the one thing, and he's always better.

*sigh*

Posted by: spongeworthy at February 03, 2013 03:43 PM (r5w1L)

131 Wordsmiths like Hillary and TFG have a hard time pressing the kill button when terrorist are mowing down our guys.

Posted by: sTevo at February 03, 2013 03:43 PM (VMcEw)

132 Majoritarian societies consider popularity more important than correctness. Thus, they empower sophistry, which erodes wisdom, and leads to failure.

Plato 101

Posted by: JohnJ at February 03, 2013 03:44 PM (Tt6ky)

133 Recognizing that stuff, pretty much all stuff, can be multi-purpose or retasked is a major leap in human development.

Some neuroscientists recently concluded that the part of men's brains responsible for their interest in female breasts is simply the part used by infants for driving their nursing instinct, but repurposed. One of God's better works if you ask me.

Posted by: pep at February 03, 2013 03:44 PM (6TB1Z)

134 I have found that the conservatives I've known in academia have one or more of certain traits. They are traditionalist Christians or Jews; they have had significant work experience outside of "wordsmithy" fields; or they are married to decidedly non-academic doers.

My parents don't have any academic degrees, for instance.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 03, 2013 03:45 PM (xSegX)

135 Prior to the election I was having a fight (discussion) with a co-worker. She was leaving the job to go into government work. She was all bent out of shape about Romney being the evil rich blah, blah, blah. I tried to reason with her that who will be the deciders, and the end game may be that her father can't keep the nice second beach home he worked hard improving. They really don't see that part.

Posted by: madamex at February 03, 2013 03:47 PM (Ztp7S)

136 Isn't this just an extension of when we figure out that
Bob Dylan
John Lennon
Bono
Curt Cobain
etc.
don't really have any insights that we should be seeking within their catchy songs?
(Neil Peart exception applies)

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at February 03, 2013 03:47 PM (sYTYw)

137 You know what's humbling? To be theJack of all trades and master of
none. It's great to be handy and to be okay at some sports and a good
driver and adequate in bed. But there's always somebody who just does
the one thing, and he's always better.

*sigh*


My philosophy is that a Ferrari may be fun to drive, but owning one is a bitch. A Jeep isn't the sexiest, but it gets a lot more done and can let you have more fun in life.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at February 03, 2013 03:47 PM (hpDVh)

138 At work, one of our chemists who is a hoity toity "intellectual" had to get something done and nobody else had the time to help him. Apparently somebody told him that he needed to loosen something up with Channel Locks. So he comes into the maintenance shop where I happened to be at the time, reaches into our head millwright's tool pouch and grabbed a Crescent wrench and said "this is a Channel Lock right?"

I'm thinking I can't even take your man card because clearly you have never had one. My dad used to make me and my brothers assist him in everything he did. We didn't have a lot of money so we had to fix plumbing, electrical, do remodeling, car repairs, appliance repairs, pour concrete and pretty much everything you can think of around the house. I hated it at the time but now I am glad I learned all of that stuff hands on. I am an engineer now and the most important things I know were taught by my dad who dropped out of school in the 9th grade.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at February 03, 2013 03:48 PM (SkyIE)

139 yeah, it's true, they're raging against a system that had the nerve to reward someone other than their own narcissism. When they say they're socialists, they mean that they want to be in charge.

Posted by: joeindc44 at February 03, 2013 03:48 PM (rQHoF)

140 >>>I am second to none at overvaluing my talents.

>>>But....I also recognize talent in others, and I think that is vital to a healthy understanding and appreciation of the world.

>>>The "wordsmith" and his ilk do not value any talents other than his own, and that's the difference.


Yeah, I'm on the exact same page as CBD (as a "wordsmith," I refuse to degrade myself by typing out his full name). I value my own skills highly, and think very well of myself. But I also have immense respect (envy, even) for people who can do things that I can't. I don't denigrate them AT ALL. Hell, I often joke with people about how I should've become a plumber instead of a lawyer...plumbers never lack for work, have an authentically valuable practical skill, and they don't have student loans to worry about either.

I definitely know people who look down their noses at anyone who isn't part of their 'class', but I'm not one of them. I don't like STUPID people that much, but I've found that there are a surprising amount of sharp carpenters, plumbers, mechanics, etc. in this world, and a surprising (or perhaps unsurprising) number of depravedly stupid "wordsmith"-types as well. It's just different skill-sets.

Posted by: Jeff B. at February 03, 2013 03:48 PM (/COnL)

141 As mankind advanced out of caves they began to specialize. Grog was better at making spear points than Ork. Ork was better at peeling the skin off mammoth carcasses than Grog- so they developed those skills and collaborated. Ork no longer had to make spear tips.
Fast forward to today. We have specialized so far that many people who write (manipulate words)for a living no longer have a need to think (manipulate concepts). Hence a lot of drivel gets published.People like Krugman no longerneed to have valid, testable ideas, they just have to be able to string words together on a page.

Posted by: The Curious Disappearance of Seamus Muldoon is Free on Kindle through Tuesday at February 03, 2013 03:49 PM (qqZuQ)

142 Did you read that Title 18 stuff in the last post? Another class of wordsmiths: lawyers.

Posted by: t-bird at February 03, 2013 03:49 PM (FcR7P)

143 Someday we even figure out that we don't give a shit about Super Bowl Sunday.

Posted by: madamex at February 03, 2013 03:49 PM (Ztp7S)

144 Mathematicians, on the hands, are worthless c*nts.

(Just in case AmishDude is reading.)

Posted by: Jeff B. at February 03, 2013 03:49 PM (/COnL)

145 sponge
"You know what's humbling? To be theJack of all trades and master of
none. It's great to be handy and to be okay at some sports and a good
driver and adequate in bed. But there's always somebody who just does
the one thing, and he's always better.
*sigh*"


If, and when the sh*t hits the fan, you, I and those like us will survive.
The academic who is a one trick pony shall suffer mightily to justify the group food and effort spent to provide them with basic sustenance.

Now, if that degree is in metallurgy, or GP medicine, that person would be handy to have around.

But the person who specializes in underwater Wimmens basket-weaving studies, with a Minor in Navel Gazing might lose a little bit of weight hoping for free hand outs.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 03, 2013 03:49 PM (bTPOR)

146 I definitely know people who look down their noses at anyone who isn't part of their 'class', but I'm not one of them. I don't like STUPID people that much, but I've found that there are a surprising amount of sharp carpenters, plumbers, mechanics, etc. in this world, and a surprising (or perhaps unsurprising) number of depravedly stupid "wordsmith"-types as well. It's just different skill-sets.
Posted by: Jeff B. at February 03, 2013 03:48 PM (/COnL)

*****

Well-stated Jeff B. I share your view in this regard.

Posted by: The Curious Disappearance of Seamus Muldoon is Free on Kindle through Tuesday at February 03, 2013 03:50 PM (qqZuQ)

147 reaches into our head millwright's tool pouch

A dangerous move on so many levels.

Posted by: t-bird at February 03, 2013 03:50 PM (FcR7P)

148 >>plumbers never lack for work, have an authentically valuable practical skill, and they don't have student loans to worry about either
No, just the cost of tools, equipment, machinery, vehicles, insurance..etc

...lucky them

Posted by: Albie Damned at February 03, 2013 03:51 PM (Yhu4q)

149 " I hated it at the time but now I am glad I learned all of that stuff
hands on. I am an engineer now and the most important things I know were
taught by my dad who dropped out of school in the 9th grade."

--exactly. funny how it works out like that. i rather miss the sight of my dad face palming when i messed something up, dont you?

as fun as it is to make light of the new generation....well, let's face it...we're right lol

Posted by: southern by the grace of I-95 at February 03, 2013 03:51 PM (DnIpv)

150 >>>Isn't this just an extension of when we figure out that

Bob Dylan
[...] etc.
don't really have any insights that we should be seeking within their catchy songs?


Actually, I'm pretty sure Bob Dylan actually wrote about this exact issue:

Now each of us has his own special gift
And you know this was meant to be true
So if you don't underestimate me
I won't underestimate you.

Posted by: Jeff B. at February 03, 2013 03:51 PM (/COnL)

151 Did someone say pretentious word smithing?

A shepherd cries!
The hour of choosing has arrived
Here are your tools!

Posted by: AlGorezeera at February 03, 2013 03:52 PM (m0le6)

152 Mathematicians, on the hands, are worthless c*nts.

(Just in case AmishDude is reading.)
Posted by: Jeff B. at February 03, 2013 03:49 PM (/COnL)

Worthless? That's a bold statement.

Posted by: eman at February 03, 2013 03:52 PM (j7rp0)

153 144 Mathematicians, on the hands, are worthless c*nts.(Just in case AmishDude is reading.)
----

He is not alone...
International Brotherhood of Statistician's Local 452 +/-3

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at February 03, 2013 03:52 PM (sYTYw)

154 We have specialized so far that many people who write (manipulate words)for a living no longer have a need to think (manipulate concepts).

I like this very much.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 03, 2013 03:53 PM (xSegX)

155 Good grammar, syntax, and vocabulary don't necesaarily equate to good critical thinking skills

Posted by: Albie Damned at February 03, 2013 03:53 PM (Yhu4q)

156 Artists straddled the two until gallery-circuit art went into the "intellectual" direction with minimilism. The majority of artists don't fit into the "intellectual" class because they share the same skills which most people could pick up with time and training. What used to make them unique is that WHAT they created explained itself, even if its proposal was rejected.

When artists started to rely heavily on the "theorists" to explain it, they weren't artists anymore, they failed in their creative endeavor but grew insulated enough to join the intellectual crowd. There are a great many who care less about the word crowd. Currin, Maidman, Pearson to name just a few. Some of them still have success, but there is now a self-selection of what is "worthy" of praise by the wordsmiths that often deliberately contradict what would interest or at least intrigue the public at large.

I've been drinking but damnit I get what Ace is alluding too, and its incredibly crippling and destructive.

Posted by: CAC at February 03, 2013 03:54 PM (7TwHV)

157 You know what's humbling? To be theJack of all trades and master of none.

You know what's best about that humility? The realization that everybody, and I mean everybody, can teach you something.

Posted by: t-bird at February 03, 2013 03:54 PM (FcR7P)

158
I've met, in the course of my life, an inordinate number of highly educated people who are dumber than bank gravel in real life. Almost seems to be a prerequisite.

Posted by: irongrampa at February 03, 2013 03:54 PM (SAMxH)

159 They turn heroes into villains, imbeciles, or victims.
---
They turn Senators specialized in underage Dominican prostitution into...Senators.

Posted by: sTevo at February 03, 2013 03:54 PM (VMcEw)

160 If, and when the sh*t hits the fan, you, I and those like us will survive.
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When it all falls apart i'm off the West Virgina to throw myself on the mercy of my rural Oklahoma born brother-in-law

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at February 03, 2013 03:54 PM (sYTYw)

161 Mathematicians, on the hands, are worthless c*nts.

(Just in case AmishDude is reading.)


Reading is for lesser people.

Writing is a small step above.

Me? I'm busy thinking. Carry on.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 03, 2013 03:54 PM (xSegX)

162 Good grammar, syntax, and vocabulary don't necesaarily equate to good critical thinking skills"

--- yup...you should see my facebook friends.

Posted by: southern by the grace of I-95 at February 03, 2013 03:55 PM (DnIpv)

163 >>>Worthless? That's a bold statement.

Nah, just trying to get AmishDude's goat. He loves to rail on about how lawyers are idiots and only mathematicians are truly capable of demonstrating intelligence.

My father was a mathematician/physicist, so I've heard the whole spiel before.

Posted by: Jeff B. at February 03, 2013 03:55 PM (/COnL)

164 Hell, changing the brake pads is about the only thing you can do on a car now that doesn't require a special tool of some kind.

Posted by: Vic at February 03, 2013 03:55 PM (53z96)

165 I've always thought I was a pretty humble, levelheaded guy (an anti-intellectual intellectual, sort of), but I've always looked down on my BIL because he struck me as a drug-addled 50-year-old momma's boy with no real skills and ego to burn.

And then, last month I heard him talk on the phone for over a hour about cars to another guy who wanted to buy a transmission he had for sale. The conversation (on speakerphone) ranged over numerous makes and models, and my BIL's intimate knowledge of every single vehicle in question was nothing short of phenomenal.

From the differing lengths of the three bolts used to hold a starter on a particular model (I forget which; I seem to recall encountering a chevy pickup with that setup back when I actually crawled around under cars) to the way to adjust the bands on an automatic transmission on a car he'd never owned, he knew it all.

It was a real moment for me. My respect for him went from zero to 60; I even admire him; I also listen more closely to what I used to consider his inane comments.

I hate it when I discover I'm not the smartest person in the room. Seems to happen with alarming regularity these days, too.

Posted by: jwpaine (@PirateBallerina) at February 03, 2013 03:56 PM (VcDCJ)

166 @Seamus-funny, I tell the interns the same thing.

Posted by: Emdoc at February 03, 2013 03:56 PM (0RJ16)

167 >>I hated it at the time but now I am glad I learned all of that stuff hands on. I am an engineer now and the most important things I know were taught by my dad who dropped out of school in the 9th grade

My FiL also dropped out in 9th, but that did not stop him from being a very successful, though obviously non-credentialed engineer.
Along the way he owned a succession of bars and honky-tonks where he also acted as bouncer

Posted by: Albie Damned at February 03, 2013 03:57 PM (Yhu4q)

168 Many times throughout history, the pen was the driving force behind the sword.


Posted by: CrotchetyOldJarhead at February 03, 2013 03:18 PM (qYDVx)


Horseshit.

The pen may spread the word of the Issues which cause a War... but I can't think of any instance, in history, where the Writer, or Pen, was the base reason for the War.

Nor a single instance where the written word ENDED a War without Battle.

How many times have we Seen the Words "Peace in our Time" written?

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 03, 2013 03:57 PM (lZBBB)

169 Hell, changing the brake pads is about the only thing you can do on a car now that doesn't require a special tool of some kind.


Posted by: Vic
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VW managed to screw the pooch on this one with electric parking brakes.

Posted by: sTevo at February 03, 2013 03:57 PM (VMcEw)

170 You know what's best about that humility? The realization that everybody, and I mean everybody, can teach you something.
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I considered Barky as a counter-example, but realized he's like a walking what-not-to-do guide for a healthy civilization.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at February 03, 2013 03:57 PM (sYTYw)

171 So, what can we use from this knowledge in the real world?

1. GOP primary debates should not be hosted by wordsmith types, and in fact should be on a GOP live stream with YouTube video after the fact.

2. GOP debates should ask for SOLUTIONS and EVIDENCE OF DOING STUFF.

3. GOP candidates should not be trashed because they aren't smooth talkers.

4. All reporters should constantly be barraged with math and science questions.

5. GOP should challenge Obama to a tire-changing contest.

Posted by: Miss Marple at February 03, 2013 03:57 PM (GoIUi)

172 You sure got a purty mouth

Posted by: The guys raising your pork chops at February 03, 2013 03:58 PM (8nlvn)

173
>>>The realization that everybody, and I mean everybody, can teach you something.

Where I have found this to be particularly true is plumbing and the horizontal mambo.

Posted by: spongeworthy at February 03, 2013 03:58 PM (r5w1L)

174 When artists started to rely heavily on the "theorists" to explain it, they weren't artists anymore, they failed in their creative endeavor but grew insulated enough to join the intellectual crowd.

I was listening some of the DVD commentary on Groundhog Day last night and it occurred to me that that silly Hollywood comedy has more resonance, meaning and profound philosophical implications than all of the Palm d'Or winners in all of the pretentious film festivals in the past 20 years.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 03, 2013 03:59 PM (xSegX)

175 I don't think it's as complicated as all this. I think there is something different about leftists. Their brain is misconfigured. Miserable people, driven above all by envy.

A capitalist system is at its base a system of merit, which means there is no check on who obtains power (capital). To a leftist, it means that someone who disagrees with them or is beneath them in some other way can obtain power, and that cannot stand.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at February 03, 2013 03:59 PM (YZqSb)

176 I've been in the entertainment business (if you can call radio broadcasting that) for 28 years. It's where my natural talents took me. But I'm likely going to die poor, because for 99 percent of us, the job pays squat. I used to tell myself, "At least I'm doing what I love". Now I tell myself "Why were you too dumb to learn a skill or trade that actually means something?"

When it all comes apart, I'll likely be among the first to go. Let's face it, no one will want to hear jokes or weather forecasts then.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at February 03, 2013 03:59 PM (5J54Q)

177 Nah, just trying to get AmishDude's goat. He loves to rail on about how lawyers are idiots and only mathematicians are truly capable of demonstrating intelligence.

My father was a mathematician/physicist, so I've heard the whole spiel before.
Posted by: Jeff B. at February 03, 2013 03:55 PM (/COnL)

Right over your head, dude.

Posted by: eman at February 03, 2013 03:59 PM (j7rp0)

178 >>I've met, in the course of my life, an inordinate number of highly educated people who are dumber than bank gravel in real life. Almost seems to be a prerequisite.<<

*cough* Obama *cough*

Posted by: Albie Damned at February 03, 2013 04:00 PM (Yhu4q)

179 From the differing lengths of the three bolts used to hold a starter on a
particular model (I forget which; I seem to recall encountering a chevy
pickup with that setup back when I actually crawled around under cars)
to the way to adjust the bands on an automatic transmission on a car
he'd never owned, he knew it all.



A friend of mine had an old long bed Ford pickup with a big block V-8. I helped him change the starter on it. It was damn near impossible to get to the bolts holding it on. When I finished my 9/16 socket was stuck on one of the bolts and came off the extension.


Somewhere that truck is still going with my 9/16" socket.

Posted by: Vic at February 03, 2013 04:00 PM (53z96)

180
>>>changing the brake pads is about the only thing you can do on a car now that doesn't require a special tool of some kind.

You don't use that spreader thing for that job? I sure don't have one of those.

I do have a basin wrench!

Posted by: spongeworthy at February 03, 2013 04:00 PM (r5w1L)

181 156 --- YES.
The hope that Art!!! could bridge the gap has been utterly dashed.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 03, 2013 04:01 PM (C8mVl)

182 Two words:

Music critic.

Worse yet NYT book reviews.

Posted by: eleven at February 03, 2013 04:02 PM (fsLdt)

183 Think how smart, dumb, you have to be to be Nick Berg's parents. He is behead by Islamists and they blamed George Bush. Rachel Corrie's and the American jihad guy's parents are just as f*cked.

Posted by: madamex at February 03, 2013 04:02 PM (Ztp7S)

184 166 @Seamus-funny, I tell the interns the same thing.
Posted by: Emdoc at February 03, 2013 03:56 PM (0RJ16)

*******

How are you finding the current crop of newbies? I've not been overly impressed, but I am in a somewhat provincial setting that doesn't necessarily draw the best and the brightest.

Posted by: The Curious Disappearance of Seamus Muldoon is Free on Kindle through Tuesday at February 03, 2013 04:02 PM (qqZuQ)

185 Nah, just trying to get AmishDude's goat.

Not really. I'd hope for something more clever.

He loves to rail on about how lawyers are idiots and only mathematicians are truly capable of demonstrating intelligence.

Mathematics is the only reliable filter for intellect, if we must have one. Nothing else is so objective and precise. And, as I said before, true intellect is being able to create new knowledge from existing information.

I also don't think lawyers are stupid. It's just that if they were stupid, it wouldn't make any difference.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 03, 2013 04:03 PM (xSegX)

186 Liberalism is all about control, so it is inherently attractive to those who suffer from deep insecurities.

Posted by: JohnJ at February 03, 2013 04:03 PM (Tt6ky)

187 Psychistrist is on my list.

Posted by: eleven at February 03, 2013 04:03 PM (fsLdt)

188 John J, correct. They don't even want people to defend themselves.

Posted by: madamex at February 03, 2013 04:05 PM (Ztp7S)

189 Liberalism is all about control, so it is inherently attractive to those who suffer from deep insecurities.

Yes. And psychopaths.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at February 03, 2013 04:05 PM (YZqSb)

190 Where I have found this to be particularly true is plumbing and the horizontal mambo.
Posted by: spongeworthy at February 03, 2013 03:58 PM (r5w1L)

*******

I'm sure there are a few Morons who will take this comment and run with it.

Posted by: The Curious Disappearance of Seamus Muldoon is Free on Kindle through Tuesday at February 03, 2013 04:05 PM (qqZuQ)

191 >>>Right over your head, dude.

I only got it after it was too late.

Posted by: Jeff B. at February 03, 2013 04:05 PM (/COnL)

192 A capitalist system is at its base a system of merit, which means there is no check on who obtains power (capital). To a leftist, it means that someone who disagrees with them or is beneath them in some other way can obtain power, and that cannot stand.
Posted by: The Mega Independent at February 03, 2013 03:59 PM (YZqSb)


True. It is also a system based on co-operation. Competition is a fantastic form of co-operation.

What makes McDonald's food good? Burger King.

Lefties can not accept that, never mind get it.

Posted by: eman at February 03, 2013 04:07 PM (j7rp0)

193 I did at least try to read some of the original article. But I came smash up on one sentence. "These young men would do anything to avoid fighting and dying for their counrty. " Or words to that effect, since I can't C/P here.
I am a member of SholdiersAngels and send care packages to the troops and a military Chaplin in Shitistan. Did you know that urgent calls have gone out for blankets for our troops? Did you know that many many forward based troops are not issued breakfast? Cuts, ya know, now that we are pulling out.
I am THANKED!!11!! for ramen noodles and poptarts.
Can you imagine fighting on such a diet and sleeping cold to boot?
Keeps me awake at night. Next an urgent call for ammo will pop up in my inbox.

Posted by: Pecos at February 03, 2013 04:07 PM (2Gb0y)

194 #181
Picasso was interviewed toward the end of his life about the rise of art theory and the "structuring" of modern art based on it. He remarked that people loved or hated his (and Braques) work with cubism but they knew it and understood it. If "explaining" moved beyond the artist and art viewer to a third party, why bother? Was his supposition. Dali, Duchamp, Stella, and countless others have said the same. "If someone ELSE has to explain it, what was the point?" Is a question anyone in that and other creative fields should be asking themselves every day.

Posted by: CAC at February 03, 2013 04:08 PM (7TwHV)

195 Some things can't be quantfied.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio Dude, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

Posted by: eleven at February 03, 2013 04:09 PM (fsLdt)

196 For those of you looking to master a new, useful skill in preparation for the inevitable collapse, may I suggest brewing? Because I'm lazy, and we're gonna need moar beer.

Posted by: Fritz at February 03, 2013 04:11 PM (WM+rJ)

197
I definitely know people who look down their noses at anyone who
isn't part of their 'class', but I'm not one of them. I don't like
STUPID people that much, but I've found that there are a surprising
amount of sharp carpenters, plumbers, mechanics, etc. in this world, and
a surprising (or perhaps unsurprising) number of depravedly stupid
"wordsmith"-types as well. It's just different skill-sets.


It's not just "wordsmiths". It's any conceptual types. Growing up I constantly heard complaints from my father about the stupidity of engineers and architects that he dealt with on a day to day basis.

The naturally intelligent often don't have the patience for formal schooling, and so they end up working to enrich themselves in other ways. It's the mediocre intelligent, the ones just slightly smarter than average, who end up slogging it through university and then graduate programs. Them, and the social disfunctional people who are very smart but incapable of understanding or really interacting with other human beings.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at February 03, 2013 04:11 PM (hpDVh)

198
Great post Ace. Very revealing. I like the quote by Burke, "insects of the hour". Most apt for liberal trolls.

Posted by: Mr. Peabody at February 03, 2013 04:12 PM (0b17P)

199 >>
191 >>>Right over your head, dude.I only got it after it was too late.
Posted by: Jeff B. at February 03, 2013 04:05 PM (/COnL) <<
QED..

Posted by: Albie Damned at February 03, 2013 04:13 PM (Yhu4q)

200 Another thing that goes into this is especially true at the Ivys. Let's face it, capitalism doesn't care which prep school you went to, which college you went to (if any), which grad school you went to, etc.

But the whole system for wordsmiths, especially at the top, is credentialization.

What makes Ezra Klein so important? Who made Steve Guttenberg a star?

Posted by: AmishDude at February 03, 2013 04:14 PM (xSegX)

201 Just damn, Ace. That was stellar.

Posted by: FURPC at February 03, 2013 04:16 PM (0ImZM)

202 Some things can't be quantfied.

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio Dude, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Posted by: eleven at February 03, 2013 04:09 PM (fsLdt)


You are right, some things can't be quantified. In such cases, those things are either easily understood or impossible to understand.

Quantification is the means by which people can systematically understand the world around them so that it can be applied to other circumstances.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 03, 2013 04:17 PM (xSegX)

203 I am a member of SholdiersAngels and send care packages to the troops and a military Chaplin in Shitistan. Did you know that urgent calls have gone out for blankets for our troops? Did you know that many many forward based troops are not issued breakfast? Cuts, ya know, now that we are pulling out.I am THANKED!!11!! for ramen noodles and poptarts. Can you imagine fighting on such a diet and sleeping cold to boot?Keeps me awake at night. Next an urgent call for ammo will pop up in my inbox.
----
Thanks, just did a donation

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at February 03, 2013 04:19 PM (sYTYw)

204 Colorado Alex, have cussed some engineers (usually automotive design types while working on them) and have had high praise for others.
The people who came up with how GC's and GC/MS's could work and designed them are sceery smaht to me.

Posted by: teej at February 03, 2013 04:20 PM (Is+Nb)

205 204 teej,

every year Detroit gives a 100$ reward for the best engineering idea, and a 100,000$ one for the worst.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 03, 2013 04:25 PM (LRFds)

206 'In addition, such children, including boys who crave teacher's approval,
receive moral approbation for being "good" while aggression is "bad".'

I hate to break it to this guy, but aggression *is* bad.

Self-defense or defense of innocent victims is not aggression. Aggression is Hitler marching on Poland, or a big kid beating up a littler kid.

You'd think a shrink would know this.

Posted by: sauropod at February 03, 2013 04:34 PM (WdzGK)

207 @184-Seamus, I also work in a small facility that may not attract the best and brightest, but the ones here are at least eager to learn.

Posted by: Emdoc at February 03, 2013 04:34 PM (0RJ16)

208

On the off-chance that this thread is still alive, let me mention that there seems to be one point not mentioned, and I think it sheds considerable new light on the subject:

Just about all of the Classical Greek and Roman Authors (History, Philosophy, etc.) had, as youths, been trained in the fighting arts of their civilization, and all had been warriors ... and had been in combat.

When we read their words, we read what they wrote as old men.

Doubtless, this galls our current crop of intellectuals.

Posted by: Arbalest at February 03, 2013 04:37 PM (kbG1i)

209 206 sauropod,

arguable from a psychology standpoint....

I engaged in bully hunting some growing up, it was a form of aggression I regret.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 03, 2013 04:37 PM (LRFds)

210 208 Arbalest,

Yup, they want deference for the 'bravery' of being 'too brave to fight' I dunno basically emoLefty man is allied to women trying to outlaw being male....

Not rendered as an indictment of all females 'ettes just too many general population ones.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 03, 2013 04:41 PM (LRFds)

211 >>>I hate to break it to this guy, but aggression *is* bad.

you miss his import. The aggression shown by young boys -- physical aggression --- tends to manifest as risk-taking and self-making in the man. or at least that's the theory behind all those british schools making kids play rugby.

he is saying that the Nice Schoolboy develops a psychology by which he reflexively recoils from, and denigrates, the virtue of boldness and self-making.

Posted by: ace at February 03, 2013 04:42 PM (LCRYB)

212 I hate to break it to this guy, but aggression *is* bad.


Posted by: sauropod at February 03, 2013 04:34 PM (WdzGK)

I think they're using the word "aggression" here to refer to things like initiative, tenacity, and drive.

Posted by: JohnJ at February 03, 2013 04:44 PM (Tt6ky)

213 150 Jeff B.

Actually, I'm pretty sure Bob Dylan actually wrote about this exact issue:

Now each of us has his own special gift
And you know this was meant to be true
So if you don't underestimate me
I won't underestimate you.


I've read that he does metal sculpting as a hobby. Which means he knows how to operate a welder's torch.

Posted by: rickl at February 03, 2013 04:45 PM (sdi6R)

214 I questioned the value of my college degree the third time I had to chase the pygmy goat kid around the barn. I felt validated as a human being after successfully growing turnips (although not as well as my peasant forebears). Now? I am grateful that my father made sure I at least know the difference between a goldfish and a muskie, unlike some recent college grads of my acquaintance.

Posted by: Shandiss at February 03, 2013 04:47 PM (4zbW1)

215 211 Ace,

Yup, and in so doing loses a lot of valuable reinforcement on the true nature of service to the whole. Natural servant to power comes to mind as a hazard to that intellect. Aggression is not inherently good or bad misapplied aggression is.

Part of our regression to tribalism is this sloppy either/or thinking on cornerstones of the human condition.

My regret on bully hunting is not the aggression, it was the use of the conflict to try to fill holes in my heart disguised as altruism.

Gave me a crutch and kept me from healing.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 03, 2013 04:49 PM (LRFds)

216 I agree with that explanation of the left. I like to give a book called How to Be Useful by Megan Husted to kids who are graduating. It's all about how work is nothing like school; no one gives a damn how good you are at expressing yourself! And it's funny too.

She probably considers herself a lefty but that's a basic capitalist notion.

Posted by: PJ at February 03, 2013 04:50 PM (ZWaLo)

217 "I don't think that the "wordsmith" class is inherently evil or unworthy."

Sure looks that way to me. Those who can't do, teach. Those who can't teach, bitch about it.

Posted by: Mike at February 03, 2013 04:50 PM (wzCF1)

218
Arbalest @ 208

Socrates is a perfect example of that. He was a soldier of Athens in the Peloponnesian War. He was sentenced to death by the 30 Tyrants at the conclusion of the war because he was a threat to "Peace in our Time".

Aristostle was engaged by Philip of Macedon to teach his son, Alexander.

I am always amused by some "historical" movies that portray Julius Caesar as some kind of effeminate twit. He lead armies, traveled the world widely, was quite literate and a fine writer. He inspired men to follow him. I always thought that the portrayal of Caesar by Rex Harrison was true to the mark handsom, manly, a great leader and very wise and capable. His fault was in not knowing the limits of his own abilities and power. Richard Burton as Brutus was also telling- vain, childish, easily took offense.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at February 03, 2013 04:50 PM (Md8Uo)

219 If they're "wordsmiths", why do so many of them write so poorly? I think they need a new title. "shitheads", for instance.

Posted by: occam's brassiere at February 03, 2013 04:52 PM (pgC9Y)

220 218 CJ Burch,

Cao Cao was a man of action, letters, and commerce....

I am nothing compared to him....to many men of today.

The difference is the knowledge that I am not the bestat something or should be "the decider" just by the virtue of groupthink and am willing to fail is a strength the lockstep left lacks.

I don't demand the nation bend to my will "because" unlike our fellow asylum inmates.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 03, 2013 04:53 PM (LRFds)

221
Actually, that was Richard Burton as Marc Antony.

Duh.

Elizabeth Taylor as Cleopatra. She was incredibly beautiful as a young woman.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at February 03, 2013 04:53 PM (Md8Uo)

222 there's no point in telling pigeons not to shit on cars.

Dude, speak for yourself! I intend to tell every pigeon within birdshot a piece of my mind. I may not convince them all, but will hopefully persuade a few to give it up for good....

Posted by: Mark Asread at February 03, 2013 04:54 PM (CtjOo)

223 219 Occam's Bra,

They fall prey to my trap at my worst. I write for my own amusement and the few here who enjoy my style. Never forget thinking people are not their usual target audience, and they are not really trying to inform, or sway but want you to be "impressed" not with their content but in fact simply their "style."

It's why I have such love for Matt Yglesias.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 03, 2013 04:55 PM (LRFds)

224 208

Classics M.A. graduate here, so I hear you loud and clear.

Also, I reject the premise that capitalism doesn't reward wordsmiths. It rewards wordsmiths grounded in reality. I know because after getting my Classics degree, I used my verbal skills to get jobs paying very well. It also helps that I'm as good at math as I am with words.

Show me a present-day wordsmith who could write as well as Sophocles or Caesar and I'll be impressed. Until then, the whole lot of them can starve in the gutter as far as I'm concerned.

Posted by: BS Inc. at February 03, 2013 04:58 PM (Fgbh2)

225 re: #179 Vic
"A friend of mine had an old long bed Ford pickup with a big block V-8. I
helped him change the starter on it. It was damn near impossible to get
to the bolts holding it on. When I finished my 9/16 socket was stuck on
one of the bolts and came off the extension."


Sounds about right. I once had to change a fuel pump in an old Ford pickup on the interstate in St. George, Utah, midsummer Sunday morning (I was on my way from Colorado to California).

The asphalt was practically bubbling, and all I had was a hammer and a pair of pliers. Lucky for me, you could actually do something constructive to a vehicle back then with that kind of equipment. Only took two hours and relearning how much blood is under the skin of one's knuckles. Also, how truly limiting being a sailor can be in terms of inventiveness in cursing.

Posted by: jwpaine (@PirateBallerina) at February 03, 2013 04:58 PM (VcDCJ)

226 Softhands and Faceworkers.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 03, 2013 04:58 PM (QupBk)

227 224 BS Inc,

Using relative "time" as "recent" I'd say Churchill or Teddy Roosevelt.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 03, 2013 05:00 PM (LRFds)

228 Just finished reading.

Excellent post.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 03, 2013 05:01 PM (piMMO)

229 So, basically, we have an entire series of psychologically-related industries that never has bullshit called on them.

Haven't you ever head the saying, "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach." ? Lots of people call bullshit on them. They're just not the ones that run the media.

I work in a wordsmithing profession too. Let me tell you -- this is not where the best and brightest end up.

And the academics? They're great at one thing -- Whatever their doctoral thesis was in. Most of them couldn't fix a leaky faucet.

Posted by: Cornfed at February 03, 2013 05:01 PM (CtfcX)

230 Ace;

wordsmithing professions are professions controlled by the Left.

they train wordsmiths and weed out the non-conformists/independent minded aspirants aka "the right-wingers."

hence the utter domination of the academy. the media and all other wordsmithing occupations/professions except for sales.

Posted by: reliapundit at February 03, 2013 05:02 PM (P9+t0)

231 This goes back a long time. Aristocrats, philosophers, high clergy etc, have historically looked down on the "trades" and especially commerce. It was always so vulgar ( of course they loved money just not the working for it) and beneath them. It wasn't until the rise of british democarcy that you saw the recognition of capitalism, markets, and trade as something good or at least not undignified. Of course the poles and the MSM today think they are an aristocracy.

Posted by: James at February 03, 2013 05:02 PM (XWBYt)

232 How is it possible that a Palin war did not develop in this thread?

Those here who insist her aw shucks way of communicating will not sell need to read this post and take in the lessons.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 03, 2013 05:03 PM (piMMO)

233 232 NDH,

I very adroitly sidestepped her, just like the gun control thread....


Posted by: sven10077 at February 03, 2013 05:04 PM (LRFds)

234 Counterexample: Google around and look at any site where airline pilots talk among themselves. One of the standard rants excoriates anyone who "can fix their mistakes with the eraser end of a pencil."

Posted by: RNB at February 03, 2013 05:05 PM (WkjqG)

235 How is it possible that a Palin war did not develop in this thread?


Yeah, perhaps lessons really can be learned. Like SP is a 3rd rail.

Posted by: pep at February 03, 2013 05:06 PM (6TB1Z)

236 227

Right and both guys with Classical educations, as were the Founders.

There's also an interesting essay by Gramsci where he advocates the proletariat be taught the Classics because those works were the best at inculcating true civic virtue of the sort a Communist society would need. I read it once, but forgot the title. Of course, that would require that the idiots on the Left learn Greek and Latin and we know they aren't capable of that. I also recall reading an essay by Lenin in which he predicted that once Communism came to fruition and leisure was available to the proletariat, they would spend their time learning the history of philosophical materialism by reading Epicurus and Lucretius. In yet another example of the "decline and fall of Western civilization", today's Commie "wordsmiths" can't even live up to the aspirations of the Commie wordsmiths of the 1920s.

Posted by: BS Inc. at February 03, 2013 05:07 PM (Fgbh2)

237 236 BS Inc,

Ponder which side really embodies Epicurus and which side is more Stoic.

I posted my favorite "quick and good recipe" a few weeks back...I did not see any arugula...

I also cook my own meals or share the duty with wife.

Captain Eloquence has chefs he doesn't pay for.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 03, 2013 05:10 PM (LRFds)

238 >>>Softhands and Faceworkers.

we must never mix with the Lifters and the Strongs.

Posted by: ace at February 03, 2013 05:26 PM (LCRYB)

239 You're a fucking herdman if there ever was one. At the end of history you sit on the couch and blink.

Posted by: F. Nietzsche at February 03, 2013 05:32 PM (u90fD)

240 238 Ace,

what's terrifying is the softhand and face insistence that I sacrifice my safety and my family's to the wolf....

the Eloi demand that we allow Morlocks to get their danesgeld and somehow never want their kid or themselves to be the meal...


Posted by: sven10077 at February 03, 2013 05:38 PM (LRFds)

241 A professor of pathology at a leading medical school, a man who was both a fine pathologist and an excellent teacher, once told me that medical schools are very good at developing medical students; but not so good developing physicians. Because, he said, the skills required to succeed as medical student are not the same as those needed by a physician.

In my own professions of technical writer and computer programmer, I've observed the same phenomenon. For example, when I work with a new hire with his freshly minted CS degree, the first thing I tell him is to forget about school. Here, in the real world, all tests are open book. We not only don't forbid looking on the other guy's paper: we demand it.

Education is necessary. But more and more, I'm wondering if school is an aid to education, or an impediment.

Posted by: Brown Line at February 03, 2013 05:58 PM (K1+sf)

242 "37 People who can, do; people who can't do, administrate; people who can't administrate, teach."

And those who can't teach...teach gym class!

Thanks, (wordsmith) Woody Allen

Posted by: mruvure at February 03, 2013 06:54 PM (VE9i5)

243 82
"This isn't a phenomenon limited to "wordsmiths". Any subgrouping with a
specific set of skills thinks that set is of the highest importance. Doctors.
Lawyers.
Writers."

You forget about conservative Academics, Doctors,
Lawyers and
Writers; this one in particular (I won't mention which of those I fall into) can't stand their leftwards counterparts.

Posted by: Anon at February 03, 2013 07:01 PM (f+fIu)

244 http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2012/6/20/construction-sign-removed-respect/

Construction workers were warned not to swear around their betters.

Posted by: madamex at February 03, 2013 07:56 PM (Ztp7S)

245 I'm a Harvard Law School graduate cum laude who barely got out of high school with a 1.9 gpa only because my mother helped me finish an art project and avoid flunking 'leatherworking.' Physically cowardly as a little kid, too weird and lost-headed to ever achieve good grades or earn anything but frustration and put-downs from my teachers. Blossomed late and only because I started going though a phase (19-30 yrs old) where (for whatever reasons) I almost could not leave the house without ending up meeting a girl and doing a one-nighter. Confidence--it is everything there is. Next thing you know I was soaring through college seven years late but never seeing a grade that was not an "A." But I have always felt mostly contempt for my professional fellows--my classmates at HLS were for the most part timid sheep requiring daily reassurance to maintain their fragile sense of superiority--my co-workers obsessed with "status" they had no idea how to convert into enjoyment, convinced of their superiority, yet almost to a man (woman) riddled with self doubt and prone to falling to pieces upon encountering criticism (constructive or otherwise) or facing an old-fashioned mean-ass litigator from Podunk Law School in North Dakota. Meaning what? I don't know. Maybe I just want to say let's not get all carried away with anointing the elementary school bullies as the alternate heroes---most of those chumps peaked by the sixth grade and have never amounted to a hill of shit ever since. And yes, fuck all liberals--and not in the good way.

Posted by: Buck Bradley at February 03, 2013 08:00 PM (PDRXW)

246 "239
You're a fucking herdman if there ever was one. At the end of history you sit on the couch and blink.

Posted by: F. Nietzsche at February 03, 2013 05:32 PM (u90fD)"
Yeah, because Nietzsche was such a raging Leftist that he said socialism was "a bunch of zeroes banding together and pretending they add up to something".

Posted by: BS Inc. at February 03, 2013 08:07 PM (Fgbh2)

247 People who can, do; people who can't do, administrate; people who can't administrate, teach.

Those that can neither do, nor teach, nor administrate, go into politics.

Posted by: toby928© at February 03, 2013 11:39 PM (QupBk)

248 56
I've always subscribed to a little thing I call the monkey principle.
If one monkey can do it, another monkey can do it.
Academics take offense to this. Mechanics tend to just nod and agree.
-
I don't agree with that. It's always the same cow that figures out how to open the gate.

Probably not the same cow that the other cows think moos the most eloquently.

Posted by: Chromoly Man at February 04, 2013 07:35 AM (HS7Ph)

249 The problem with wordsmith elitism also lies with a deficit in their education. Many worldsmiths learn to write but so few learn how to sift evidence and weigh its meaning. Thinking through an argument requires far more skill than mere writing. People who lack the ability or training to review all parts of an argument or any situation end up writing arguments built on air. If they face serious criticism the entire thing collapses. These wordsmiths make up the bulk of the idiotic blogs, posts and daily articles.

However, there is another part of this wordsmith population that deeply concerns me. These are individuals who have obtained the above described training and still produce the same one-sided "wordsmith" arguments. I've watched several of these individuals leave the secondary AP level, march into universities as moderate libertarians, only to morph into radical socialists during this next stage of their training. So what happens at the university level to influence this change? This group is not embittered or overlooked, or by-passed for recognition. On the contrary, they are awarded the Fulbright scholarships, and admission into prestigious graduate schools. One in particular was immediately hired by the Deutsche Welle. Others went into scientific and engineering fields fields. I've had many a long discussion/argument over our current political situation with several of them ( some of which don't wish to talk to me at the present. ) I began to understand that even high-functioning students will absorb whatever information is fed to them and allow that data to shape their mindset towards their country. So, the problem does not begin with the wordsmith college students, but with their books and the teachers guiding them in discussions. Earlier wordsmiths provide them realms of information to "prove" what a despicable government we support and why no sane person would take pride in the United States. People, even wordsmiths, become what they read. Now at this point, I'm concerned that people don't think I'm advocating book burning, and certainly that will not change the problem. Wordsmiths dominate the Internet, the libraries and the universities and have buried the US in a flood of data to support their beliefs. Meanwhile, the soldiers, the capitalists, the craftspeople, the blue-collar folks were not paying attention to this slow flood of opinion-shaped data. It did not happen in a few years or a decade- its been a process of many decades. But, they had to start with being dealt a deck of cards resembling our current crises. This situation will not turn around with a short-term strategy. People will have to "academically storm" the universities, the movie studios and the schools. Time to stop leaving in frustration because you can't stand the left-wing environment. Too many of us left the strategic high ground and turned it over to them with a whimper. History does not reward the faint of heart.

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at February 04, 2013 08:55 AM (g5wi5)

250 One further observation to add to my feedback on #249.

Wordsmiths are always the fulcrums of revolutions. Mass movements need written and spoken inspiration, and wordsmiths have the ability to light the emotional fuse. They can't do much afterwards, but they sound the trumpets and begin the movements. That's why the Soviets tossed their wordsmiths into cattle cars and shipped them off to Siberia once the revolutionary cycle had turned the country over to them.

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at February 04, 2013 09:13 AM (g5wi5)

251 This is a great article and a subject I think should be talked about more. Just to leap off of it with an example I started to realize with the intellectual class is that if you pick up a paycheck for saying the climate is broken or become a multi-millionaire (Al Gore) and there is NO MONEY in saying the climate is fine what do you think is going to become the prevailing view or will be promoted in a capitalistic society?

Posted by: Conan at February 04, 2013 09:15 AM (TZZ7i)

252 That's why the Soviets tossed their wordsmiths into cattle cars and shipped them off to Siberia once the revolutionary cycle had turned the country over to them.

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at February 04, 2013 09:13 AM (g5wi5)

You don't keep revolutionaries to liberals who want to constantly promote change once you have a situation you want to keep constant.

Posted by: Conan at February 04, 2013 09:17 AM (TZZ7i)

253 Civilians underestimate the intelligence of our military population to an absurd degree. These people are a important resource and we should have been talking with them a long time ago. Not only can you learn a great deal about technological advances that will impact civilians ( see the new articles on mini-drones) you learn a great deal about their sense of loyalty to each other. We could all gain some insights on how we should be conducting our relationships as a community. They may argue with your viewpoint, but they don't waste time on flame wars. I guess the military people understand that incautious language ultimately can lead to the wars and deaths they see daily.

About softhands and face people mingling with the working class Joes;
I spent part of my earlier life working with guys who frame houses and lay the bricks. They may not be wordsmiths, but they are no man's fool. In fact, its often harder to pull the wool over their eyes than with a wordsmith. It must be some in-built BS monitor that goes off, but they just laugh off political propaganda. That's one reason why communist/socialist movements pushed the formation of unions. I don't want to downplay that horrible 19th-century working conditions needed to be corrected- but there were other goals. Unions allowed revolutionaries to control the actions of blue-collar working Joes. In the name of protecting them from horrible abuses from employers, socialists were able to herd them into the left-wing movement. (I know several history professors who would be howling for my blood right over these last comments) It was a brilliant strategy and succeeded at manipulating blue-collar people for decades. We need to establish regular means of contact for everyone. This doesn't frequently exist. Bricklayers don't post on blogs. You'll have to go to them.

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at February 04, 2013 09:41 AM (g5wi5)

254 Conan, you got it guy. They are temporary tools and they know it now. (Why do people ignore History?) Perhaps that is one reason why the media is so quiet right now. They understand their position. I would not be surprised if many are scared.

Posted by: I'd rather be surfin at February 04, 2013 09:44 AM (g5wi5)

255 Thanks for a truly insightful look at the genesis of the average wordsmith, to which I plead "Guilty as Characterized."

I was disproportionately praised and rewarded for verbal and written skills in grade school, and did indeed become the worst sort of trendy, mindless leftist for a time in high school and early college, which is why I now leave old friends dumbfounded when I meet them and they soon realized that I dropped socialism like the toxic horror it is long years ago.

The only thing I might add to the psychiatrist's generalized wordsmith biography is the observation that there are only two world in which the mature leftist who has learned to esteem his language talents as pearls of greatest talent can live to a ripe old age of blissful ignorance: the media; and academia. And, indeed, both of these troubles estates are fairly crawling with examples --- and, incidentally, doing damage to our culture and society out of all proportion to either their numbers or their relatively trivial gifts.

As to my indispensable and priceless verbal tools, there's nothing like three years of unemployment to reveal the awful truth. My eyes are now wide open.

Posted by: Pops at February 04, 2013 11:45 AM (QjFDb)

256 The good psychiatrist's analysis is good as far as it goes, but there is more at work here.

For one thing he didn't really examine what went on during the Vietnam War. Nor the levelling effect of the draft. When I got out of high school in 1968 I was facing the draft. Weighing my options, I opted for a 4 year enlistment in the Navy. I noticed it somewhat in boot camp, but when I got to "A" school, and to the fleet thereafter, it was even more apparent: conscripts with college educations, including liberal arts education, were all arround. In my rate, as E-4s and E-5s, junior NCOs, they became the mentors and role models for many of us E-2 and E-3 new arrivals, much more so than career E-6s and above. We didn't trust the "lifers" for anything but the standard Navy line. But these educated junior NCOs were much more our peers. We were all there for the same reason, i.e., a "one-and-done" enlistment to satisfy our patriotic chore in the face of the draft, and they showed us how to do it, productively, with integrity, and with class. A couple of years later, when I was an E-5, I did my my best to continue the tradition. But by then (1972-73) times had changed. The draft was essentially gone and the quality of new enlistees plummeted. I myself reached the end of my 4-year hitch, and I shuddered at the prospects. I don't know this first hand, but my understanding is that the Navy went into a sort of dark ages period for years thereafter, until it acclimated to the new all-voluntary military

Bottom line: the draft is the great equalizer, requiring youthful wordsmith intellectuals to serve alongside blue collar types. It inspired me, and its effects lasted for years. I used my GI Bill to go to college, and by careful management, they continue to carry me too far into law school.

The draft is an anathema in most ways to a libertarian-minded person, but there's no denying the myriad upsides to forcing the wordsmith class to serve.

Posted by: G Joubert at February 04, 2013 01:27 PM (KB3UC)

257 There are also kids who can't quite get the words out so good under duress, and may not run the fastest with the ball either, but they can draw pictures...

Posted by: NotClauswitz at February 04, 2013 02:29 PM (dRMSX)

258 What does this thread have to do with me?

Posted by: Karl 'Mastermind' Rove at February 04, 2013 02:36 PM (F6KtL)

259 "Nothing so offends the doctrinaire intellectual as our ability to achieve the momentous in a matter-of-fact way, unblessed by words."

THIS.

I don't understand why Hofer is not more widely read.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 04, 2013 02:37 PM (sbV1u)

260 Funny, I read something similar to this on The Conversation...

Posted by: Marcus at February 04, 2013 02:37 PM (GGCsk)

261 Bwahahaha. No new thread after all.

No.

Posted by: The guy that says No. at February 04, 2013 02:37 PM (p/cQy)

262 Groundhog Day?

Posted by: t-bird at February 04, 2013 02:37 PM (FcR7P)

263 Wow. o_O

Posted by: Kinley Ardal, LiB acknowledger at February 04, 2013 02:38 PM (qKkJ4)

264
Bumped?
Oh, please say it's a double...

Posted by: garrett at February 04, 2013 02:39 PM (52tY5)

265 I can haz nu thread??
No?

Posted by: Village Idiot'sApprentice at February 04, 2013 02:39 PM (bTPOR)

266 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 04, 2013 02:39 PM (3YrMt)

267 "Nothing so offends the doctrinaire intellectual as our ability to achieve the momentous in a matter-of-fact way, unblessed by words."

He would have loved that last thread then. Lots of words and momentous achievements. Well, lots of words.

Posted by: t-bird at February 04, 2013 02:39 PM (FcR7P)

268 Ace? Groundhog day was Saturday.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 04, 2013 02:40 PM (3YrMt)

269 ace is doing his part making this a GREEN BLOG recycling old, used up threads into new ones.

Posted by: EC at February 04, 2013 02:40 PM (GQ8sn)

270 OH NOES!!!!!

Ace has Gone GREEN! He's... shudder.... recyclying!

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 04, 2013 02:40 PM (lZBBB)

271 The other thread ended on post 911?

What happened to the "push for over a thousand"?

Posted by: creeped out at February 04, 2013 02:40 PM (/b8+5)

272 what's old is new again

Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at February 04, 2013 02:40 PM (GVxQo)

273 It wasn't that interesting.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 04, 2013 02:41 PM (NTBjC)

274 Don't want leftovers?


Do you know there are starving children in Africa who would love to have this thread?


Bless all them pygmys down in New Guinea.

Posted by: eleven at February 04, 2013 02:41 PM (KXm42)

275 OSP: So far I have 26 hits directly on the Amy Lynn review (on that blog I don't have), and that doesn't count people who just hit the front page.

Hope it helps.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 04, 2013 02:41 PM (3YrMt)

276 Posted by: creeped out at February 04, 2013 02:40 PM (/b8+5)

creeped out is the cat piss troll, curious

Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at February 04, 2013 02:41 PM (GVxQo)

277 By the way, it's not just that "bullshit" is never called on them. It's much more.

People that "wordsmith" can be intimidating to people that don't have those skills. Not only are they almost never challenged, but can repel most challengers with weapons of words.

So weapons of words, can not only hold some at bay (that's a wordsmith idiom!), but can also repel and demolish opposition.

Maybe we should have an AWB (Assault Word Ban). Somebody call Congress!



Posted by: Marcus at February 04, 2013 02:42 PM (GGCsk)

278 What happened to the "push for over a thousand"?

Maggots in the thread.

Posted by: eleven at February 04, 2013 02:42 PM (KXm42)

279 allen

one of them was me....i already bought and read the book.....good review, but i liked the flashbacks

Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at February 04, 2013 02:42 PM (GVxQo)

280 i liked the flashbacks

I'm certain some people will. They weren't badly written at all, I just found them unnecessary. Take it for what it's worth.

Well worth $10 on the kindle.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 04, 2013 02:44 PM (3YrMt)

281 but i liked the flashbacks

Then you'll love this thread.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 04, 2013 02:44 PM (GFM2b)

282 What does this mean?

Posted by: Martin Luther at February 04, 2013 02:44 PM (DrC22)

283 The holier-than-thou are capable of unholy things.

Posted by: Lurking Flaneur at February 04, 2013 02:44 PM (ay6+/)

284 Uh-oh.......



The Morons are revolting.

Posted by: eleven at February 04, 2013 02:45 PM (KXm42)

285 What does this mean?

It means save yourself a nail.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 04, 2013 02:45 PM (3YrMt)

286 allen

i bought the physical book so if i didn't like it i could throw at oldsailors head

Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at February 04, 2013 02:45 PM (GVxQo)

287 The Left is convinced that they are smarter than the rest of us because they're able to come up with ideas that look good on paper, no matter how much they fail the test of experience. Those failures have to be the result of knuckle-draggers that gave to be dragged along to their Utopia kicking and screaming, not from any sort of fundamental flaw. Certainly nothing as obvious as being flat wrong on human nature.

Posted by: Cato at February 04, 2013 02:45 PM (WKBJa)

288 The holier-than-thou are capable of unholy things. Posted by: Lurking Flaneur at February 04, 2013 02:44 PM (ay6+/)

Liberalism is a religion disease of projection.


Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 04, 2013 02:45 PM (sbV1u)

289 284 Uh-oh.......The Morons are revolting.
Posted by: eleven at February 04, 2013 02:45 PM (KXm42)


You don't say!

Posted by: Cricket at February 04, 2013 02:46 PM (DrC22)

290 "Capitalism can punish the wordsmiths, of course, as it's doing now"

Punishment? Not for the ones at the top of the scale. They're thriving.

What I see from where I sit is crony capitalism making sure the elite wordsmiths' pockets are well lined, in order to continue the cozily profitable political arrangements enjoyed by the cronies and endorsed by the wordsmiths.

And what I see from where I sit is that it's working out pretty well for both groups.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 04, 2013 02:46 PM (gqT4g)

291 The Morons are revolting.

Oh? I don't think they're that bad, really. There have been hardly any fart jokes today, for instance.

(No, that's not an invitation)

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 04, 2013 02:46 PM (3YrMt)

292 This thread is composed of 100% post-consumer recycled electrons.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 04, 2013 02:46 PM (bxiXv)

293 The Morons are revolting. Posted by: eleven at February 04, 2013 02:45 PM (KXm42)

You're telling me! They stink on ice!

It's good to be the king.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 04, 2013 02:47 PM (sbV1u)

294 After a meeting today in Paris with the French president, Francois Hollande, Vice President Joe Biden praised "the incredible competence and capability" of the French military. He was specifically referring to the recent military action taken by the French in Mali.

In a related story Biden reasserted his feeling that the Ardennes Forest is impenetrable to armored formations

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 04, 2013 02:47 PM (9Bj8R)

295 The job of the future "Handyman". This generation and beyond will need it.

Posted by: Cheri at February 04, 2013 02:47 PM (G+Wff)

296 How's your blood pressure?

The party of death is jerking off while dancing in the blood of Chris Kyle.

http://tinyurl.com/b6ko59x


Wish the 'net wasn't anonymous all the time.

Posted by: RWC at February 04, 2013 02:47 PM (fWAjv)

297 The Morons are revolting.


Very.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 04, 2013 02:47 PM (GFM2b)

298

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Posted by: TANSTAAFL at February 04, 2013 02:47 PM (tqAT4)

299 Last night I had the strangest dream Beyonce's thighs beat the hell out of the Incredible Hulk.

Posted by: Cricket at February 04, 2013 02:47 PM (DrC22)

300 Can we defeat the wordsmiths by simply buying audio books?

Posted by: Marcus at February 04, 2013 02:48 PM (GGCsk)

301 Last night I had the strangest dream Beyonce's thighs beat the hell out of the Incredible Hulk.
Posted by: Cricket at February 04, 2013 02:47 PM (DrC22)


The "incredible hulk". That's what you call it now a days?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 04, 2013 02:48 PM (9Bj8R)

302 Posted by: Marcus at February 04, 2013 02:42 PM (GGCsk)

Bingo. I am frequently frustrated by my inability to answer faulty arguments even though I have enough facts to make my case. The other person can usually talk circles around me. In fact, it seems like the fastest talker usually wins the debate, no matter how ridiculous their statements are.

Posted by: Mindy at February 04, 2013 02:49 PM (gBOQE)

303 Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) told ABC’s “This Week” “I’ve got lots of guns,” when asked his views on the Second Amendment and efforts by some of his Democratic colleagues to enact stricter gun control measures.

“I’ve got lots of guns,” Reid told host George Stephanopoulos in an interview Sunday. “I had guns from the time I was a little boy. I don’t hunt anymore, but I did.”

Reid said he now keeps his guns “for sentimental reasons” of a time when people actually believed in the law and the US Constitution.

Posted by: Wayne LaPierre at February 04, 2013 02:49 PM (e8kgV)

304 Posted by: TANSTAAFL at February 04, 2013 02:47 PM (tqAT4)

Barrel.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 04, 2013 02:49 PM (5DR1j)

305 Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 04, 2013 02:47 PM (9Bj8R)


Thinks the Maginot Line is a GREAT idea.

Posted by: RWC at February 04, 2013 02:49 PM (fWAjv)

306 Posted by: TANSTAAFL at February 04, 2013 02:47 PM (tqAT4)

Barrel. Now.

wheatie, you are relieved of your sentence.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 04, 2013 02:50 PM (sbV1u)

307 Posted by: TANSTAAFL at February 04, 2013 02:47 PM (tqAT4)



Again?!

What about 'do not post from Word' do you not get?

Posted by: Tami at February 04, 2013 02:50 PM (X6akg)

308
There used to be a dance...called 'The Bump'.

Posted by: wheatie at February 04, 2013 02:50 PM (BZMZX)

309 A little something for you Sarah Jessica Parker fans:

http://tinyurl.com/at8uw2s

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 04, 2013 02:50 PM (UOM48)

310 Posted by: TANSTAAFL at February 04, 2013 02:47 PM

You really need to stop doing that.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 04, 2013 02:51 PM (NTBjC)

311 “I had guns from the time I was a little boy. I don’t hunt anymore, but I did.”

Anybody up for a little boy hunt?

Posted by: RWC at February 04, 2013 02:51 PM (fWAjv)

312


HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! That guy never worked in a corporation.

Posted by: Cricket at February 04, 2013 02:51 PM (DrC22)

313 >Posted by: Mindy at February 04, 2013 02:49 PM (gBOQE)
<

One primary key is never be afraid to pause and use that pause effectively.

People that talk fast are often intent on producing content as a means of covering for intellectually flawed arguments.

A pause handled and utilized correctly is a very effective weapon in argument.

Posted by: Marcus at February 04, 2013 02:51 PM (GGCsk)

314 Incredible Hulk Fonzerelli:


Arrrrrrrggggghhhhhh {{thumbs up}}

Posted by: eleven at February 04, 2013 02:52 PM (KXm42)

315 A little something for you Sarah Jessica Parker fans: Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 04, 2013 02:50 PM (UOM48

I like her thong.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 04, 2013 02:52 PM (sbV1u)

316 A little something for you Sarah Jessica Parker fans:

http://tinyurl.com/at8uw2s

It had better have some Clydesdales!

Posted by: rickb223 at February 04, 2013 02:52 PM (GFM2b)

317 Honestly, Harry Reid looks like a funeral director.
The only remaining question is who's funeral ?

Posted by: Wayne LaPierre at February 04, 2013 02:52 PM (e8kgV)

318 306...wheatie, you are relieved of your sentence.

Oh thank God.

*starts doing 'The Bump' dance*

Posted by: wheatie at February 04, 2013 02:52 PM (BZMZX)

319 Posted by: TANSTAAFL at February 04, 2013 02:47 PM (tqAT4)

Give wordsmithing another go. You obviously aren't cut our for mechanical stuff.

Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at February 04, 2013 02:52 PM (8ZskC)

320 I really wish this post would go viral. Sweet, sweet journalist tears.

Posted by: notsomsm at February 04, 2013 02:53 PM (/sbgO)

321 I hate kittens;

http://tinyurl.com/a76udx9

Posted by: Marcus at February 04, 2013 02:53 PM (GGCsk)

322 *starts doing 'The Bump' dance*


Holler when we get to "The Hustle".

Posted by: rickb223 at February 04, 2013 02:54 PM (GFM2b)

323 Do the bumpty-bump
Watch me do the bumpty-bump


Posted by: HeatherRadish marinating in the zeitgeist at February 04, 2013 02:54 PM (ZKzrr)

324 This is one of the best posts I've seen on here in a while. I couldn't comment the first time it went up because I was banned the past few days (seems to have been automatic; I did not post anything even close to the "line").

Anyway, I am a professional wordsmith: litigator. But I got here in a roundabout way, becoming a lawyer because I couldn't figure what else to do after college, and becoming a litigator because I happened to have a gift for public speaking (even though I am shy and introverted in one-on-one conversations, I actually enjoy speaking in front of large groups). And despite having better schooling and standardized test scores that 99% of the population, I always knew I was retarded compared to my father, and "somewhat dim" compared to my siblings. My father transitioned from farm hand to fancy pants surgeon, so there was never any pretense of manual labor being "beneath me" - as I already knew farmers smarter than me.

This is why I never hire anyone who says they "always wanted to be a lawyer". What kind of douchebag 12 year old decides to be a lawyer? The exact sort of effete self-claimed intellectual targeted by this post, that's who. They are almost uniformly incapable of recognizing the flaws in their own shit, and thus they always make crappy litigators (a good litigator can always honestly anticipate his own weaknesses and his opponent's strengths).

Posted by: wooga at February 04, 2013 02:54 PM (eUUME)

325 You know, this post brings a whole new meaning to "buttressing an argument".

Posted by: Marcus at February 04, 2013 02:55 PM (GGCsk)

326 Words used by the aggressive person is like this: "Hold my beer. Watch this".

It may be stupid, but there's always a cogent lesson learned. Usually by the people who observe.

Posted by: Soona at February 04, 2013 02:55 PM (z2jDQ)

327 Pretty much explains why Roger Ebert is a film critic, don't it?

Posted by: wiserbud at February 04, 2013 02:55 PM (gCa4h)

328 Ha! I missed commenting on this the other day so yay not new post.


Any strong tendency which does not have a countervailing factor to check it can become pathological.


Bingo.


Look, I'm a wordsmith. It's what I do, the area in which I was educated, it's what I enjoy. I am also deeply aware that my skills are only useful to a point and that being able to curse out my engine in a variety of manners will not fix the engine.

I've never understood why playing with words is somehow superior to playing with the actual world. I write documents. My brother builds airplanes. Which of us is actually doing something useful (hint: not me)? Why is it that I am somehow the intellectually superior one? He just got a promotion and was describing one small part of what he does and I couldn't do that. I couldn't. But because I make words sound pretty I'm better? Bullshit. Utter bullshit.


Some people can play with words. Some people can build things. Some people can heal others. Some people can be amazing parents. Some people can grow food. Some people can do many of those things at the same time. None of it is better, it's all just different.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 04, 2013 02:56 PM (VtjlW)

329 deja vu all over again.

Posted by: grease monkey at February 04, 2013 02:56 PM (VSWPU)

330
Barky on tv...saying:

"The weapons of war have no place on our streets!"

Oh, okay.
Then why do the police need to have them?
Who are they 'at war' with?

Posted by: wheatie at February 04, 2013 02:56 PM (BZMZX)

331 I've found that when a war of words is being lost, a punch in the face usually sufficient turn the tide of battle.

Most wordsmiths also have soft hands and are wimpy.

Posted by: Marcus at February 04, 2013 02:57 PM (GGCsk)

332 Words used by the aggressive person is like this: "Hold my beer. Watch this".

Ahhh. The old Redneck Funeral Call.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 04, 2013 02:57 PM (GFM2b)

333 I've taken from this that schools should be gigantic playgrounds.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at February 04, 2013 02:58 PM (NzBQO)

334 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 04, 2013 02:56 PM (VtjlW)


Aaaaarrrrrgggghhhhh!! {{thumbs up}}

Posted by: Incredible Hulk Fonzerelli at February 04, 2013 02:58 PM (KXm42)

335 >>>"Nothing so offends the doctrinaire intellectual as our ability to
achieve the momentous in a matter-of-fact way, unblessed by words."

Heh. Brought to mind the "So God made a farmer" monologue by Paul Harvey resurrected by Dodge.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 04, 2013 02:58 PM (0q2P7)

336 "What kind of douchebag 12 year old decides to be a lawyer?"

I wanted to be a history teacher when I was 12, then I became a douchebag

Posted by: Pres**ent Barack “Unexpectedly” Obama at February 04, 2013 02:58 PM (e8kgV)

337 "Critics are eunuchs in the great gang bang of life..."

Posted by: navybrat at February 04, 2013 02:58 PM (7i18a)

338 Some people can play with words. Some people can build things. Some
people can heal others. Some people can be amazing parents. Some
people can grow food. Some people can do many of those things at the
same time. None of it is better, it's all just different.


You forgot:

Some people can fill out a pair of stompy boots.

Posted by: EC at February 04, 2013 02:58 PM (GQ8sn)

339 TFG is on the TV on gun control right now, "wordsmithing" through his teeth.
And we're in re-runs.
Bet things are hopping over at The Conversation, word-smith-wise.

Posted by: comatus at February 04, 2013 02:58 PM (qaVK+)

340 @RWC

Chris Kyle paid the price so that the cowardly sub-human filth could spray their mentally defective word-diarrhea without fear of reprisal.

I console myself with the knowledge that they will likely meet their end shivering in a puddle of their own urine wishing for the freedoms of the country that Chris Kyle sacrificed for.

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at February 04, 2013 02:58 PM (EZl54)

341 The first things smart kids teach themselves in fifth grade is that athelticism is overrated

I don't have time to look up the IRS data on how many people mark the occupation on their tax return "professional athlete" vs how many "engineer" or "scientist", but I'm guessing there's a lot more of the latter than the former.

A smart short kid who dumps the books in favor of the hoops isn't all that smart.

Posted by: HeatherRadish marinating in the zeitgeist at February 04, 2013 02:58 PM (ZKzrr)

342 328...Some people can play with words. Some people can build things. Some people can heal others. Some people can be amazing parents. Some people can grow food. Some people can do many of those things at the same time. None of it is better, it's all just different.

Yep.
Nicely said.

But can we still make some of the 'wordsmiths' eat their words?

Posted by: wheatie at February 04, 2013 02:59 PM (BZMZX)

343 Here we go again. Full apeshit marxism from Dear Leader. "Police should not be out-gunned on the street". Four more fucking years.

Posted by: Soona at February 04, 2013 03:00 PM (z2jDQ)

344 I tend to think the left suffers from narcissism and pathologiccal denial of reality. That explains the over the top love of self and the pure rage we encounter when we dare to oppose them. Add to that the type of amnesia where they don't seem to recall the results of their past actions, and it sums it up rather well.
But what do I know? I'm just a killer whale.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 04, 2013 03:01 PM (uhftQ)

345 Honestly, the liberals would just retort with phrases such as;

- "You didn't write that."
or
- "You are far too rich with words. I will therefore institute a new tax on the word-rich."

Posted by: Marcus at February 04, 2013 03:01 PM (GGCsk)

346 But can we still make some of the 'wordsmiths' eat their words?


Yep. Tear a couple of pages outta one of their books and shove 'em down their throats.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 04, 2013 03:01 PM (GFM2b)

347 I see that Ron Paul went all "Westboro Baptist" on Chris Kyle

Posted by: Willie Mays at February 04, 2013 03:01 PM (e8kgV)

348 >>>Posted by: TANSTAAFL at February 04, 2013 02:47 PM (tqAT4)

DUDE! Are you stupid! This is like the fourth time for you to go to the barrel. As the joke says You're not really here for the hunting are you?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 04, 2013 03:01 PM (0q2P7)

349
Barky:

"We're not gonna wait for another Aurora!"

Posted by: wheatie at February 04, 2013 03:01 PM (BZMZX)

350 wheatie -- don't quote the troll.

Posted by: Incredible Hulk Fonzerelli at February 04, 2013 03:02 PM (KXm42)

351 meh

Posted by: somejoe at February 04, 2013 03:03 PM (SSWdi)

352 Here we go again. Full apeshit marxism from Dear Leader. "Police should
not be out-gunned on the street". Four more fucking years.



Does he know what European cops are allowed to carry as their patrol weapons? Full auto rifles and sub-guns. When I was leaving Heathrow last year, I saw an airport cop with an MP5. Who is outgunning who?

Posted by: EC at February 04, 2013 03:03 PM (GQ8sn)

353 "Police should not be out-gunned on the street".

Since they get full auto and select fire & we don't, I honestly don't think they are.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 04, 2013 03:03 PM (GFM2b)

354 @343

I hate that " police outgunned" liberal trope.

Police officers are sworn to protect and defend the Constitution which includes the Second Amendment.

Wanna keep guns away from bad guys? Quit releasing bad guys from prison.

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at February 04, 2013 03:04 PM (EZl54)

355 wheatie -- don't quote the troll.
Posted by: Incredible Hulk Fonzerelli at February 04, 2013 03:02 PM (KXm42)
--------------------------------------------------
Just who the FUCK do you think you are?.......

Posted by: Rumpelstiltskin at February 04, 2013 03:04 PM (jucos)

356 I console myself with the knowledge that they will likely meet their end shivering in a puddle of their own urine wishing for the freedoms of the country that Chris Kyle sacrificed for.

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at February 04, 2013 02:58 PM (EZl54

Thanks for the visual. Let THEM burn.

Posted by: RWC at February 04, 2013 03:04 PM (fWAjv)

357 Some people can play with words. Some people can build things. Some
people can heal others. Some people can be amazing parents. Some people
can grow food. Some people can do many of those things at the same time.
None of it is better, it's all just different.


Actually, I'll disagree. I love being a "wordsmith." I love it so much that I do it on an amateur (that is: not paid) basis. That said, the farmer? Superior to me. The good parent? Well, I'm a good parent too (I like to think), but good parenting is better than being a wordsmith.

There are a whole host of things that are better- if for no other reason than they're actually necessary where "wordsmithing" is not- than being a wordsmith.

I might give you that "building things" is "not better, just different" in regards to wordsmithing, but even that is conditional on the thing being built.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 04, 2013 03:04 PM (5DR1j)

358 Since they get full auto and select fire we don't, I honestly don't think they are.

"What difference does it make?"

Posted by: eleven at February 04, 2013 03:05 PM (KXm42)

359 I've mentioned this before, but several years ago one of the high schools near me instituted an education pathway for students who didn't want to go to college and wanted to go straight into the workforce. The high school was flagging badly in terms of academics, and at risk of losing its accreditation. So in addition to the typical "college prep" courses, they also created a pathway for career prep. I dont' remember the specifics, but naturally that meant a lot of the coursework was focused on "real world" scenarios, doubtless with a healthy dose of career tech ed, rather than the more academic coursework required to achieve high SAT scores and get into college.

The parents? OUTRAGED.

How DARE the school tell children they couldn't get into college! How DARE the school say their children were too stupid for college! How DARE they not push every single child to be college ready! HOW DARE THEY!!

My point is, this concept of the "wordsmith" with the "book smarts" being the smart one and "all the rest" with the "street smarts" being less smart is one that's reinforced in the bone marrow. Get good grades in school --> go to college ---> get good job ---> Happiness! That's how it's been pounded into our brains since time immemorial. The suitability of college for every individual can't be considered -- college MUST be the endgame for every student. These outraged parents didn't want to force their children into something the children didn't want to do, they just couldn't comprehend that there might be other pathways to success and happiness that DIDN'T have to go through higher education.

"There's no way my son is going to be a plumber. He's going to go to college and make something of himself. Speaking of plumbers, did you see how much the guy charged us for setting up the boiler? They must be coining money!"

It's a special kind of cognitive dissonance that's very hard to dispel.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 04, 2013 03:05 PM (4df7R)

360
What I know is our "justice system" has nothing to do with justice. But it is a place filled with wordsmiths. As is NBC. and the federal govt.

None of those are looking out for you. Engage with them as little as possible.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 04, 2013 03:06 PM (p/cQy)

361 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 04, 2013 02:56 PM (VtjlW)...and some people bake better cookies than Banion.

Posted by: garrett at February 04, 2013 03:08 PM (eP09H)

362 If a narcissist can't do it, they'll demean it.


Posted by: Dang at February 04, 2013 03:08 PM (R18D0)

363 How DARE the school tell children they couldn't get into college! How
DARE the school say their children were too stupid for college! How DARE
they not push every single child to be college ready! HOW DARE THEY!!


My Canadian high school had that too. And no, I didn't go to Degrassi High.

I can't remember what that course pathway was called, but my high school was blessed with a very fine machine and auto shop which was perfect for those wanting to learn about machining and cars.

Posted by: EC at February 04, 2013 03:09 PM (GQ8sn)

364 Since they get full auto and select fire & we don't, I honestly don't think they are.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 04, 2013 03:03 PM (GFM2b)


Full auto and select fire weapons aren't shit to what a regular citizen can get.


“You know that these weapons can shoot down airplanes, they can blow up railroads. This is really a whole national security issue,”

-Genius Jesse Jackson

Posted by: RWC at February 04, 2013 03:10 PM (fWAjv)

365 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 04, 2013 02:56 PM (VtjlW)

Exactly! Different natur', as The Deerslayer might put it. I work as a substitute teacher (trying desperately to find a full time job) and as a meat cutter for a local store. It bothers the hell out of me to see students with gifts outside of book learning to be effectively put down for 12 years in school, especially when I work around folks who are doing just fine without having spent a day in college. I'm not going to knock on book learning, being a book learner myself, but I don't see a reason to label other types of skills as second class, either.

Those teaching future blue collar workers need to understand blue collar work. It's sad that so many don't; our "one curriculum fits all" approach has a lot to do with that. Many of these kids would benefit far more from apprenticeships than time in the classroom, and I think that would improve the classroom experience for the more academically inclined as well. That said, I'd make a point of having the book smart kids learn basic hands on tasks.

Posted by: Aaron at February 04, 2013 03:10 PM (Tlix5)

366 Actually, I'll disagree. I love being a "wordsmith." I love it so much that I do it on an amateur (that is: not paid) basis. That said, the farmer? Superior to me. The good parent? Well, I'm a good parent too (I like to think), but good parenting is better than being a wordsmith. There are a whole host of things that are better- if for no other reason than they're actually necessary where "wordsmithing" is not- than being a wordsmith.I might give you that "building things" is "not better, just different" in regards to wordsmithing, but even that is conditional on the thing being built.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 04, 2013 03:04 PM (5DR1j)


---------------------------------------------------


There is absolutely nothing wrong with being a wordsmith as far as I'm concerned. As long as it's taken within the perspective of "doing". If I'm not willing to do what I say I'm going to do, then I'm no better than the MFM or any of the other elitist wordsmiths.

Posted by: Soona at February 04, 2013 03:10 PM (z2jDQ)

367 Mike Rowe would approve of this post.

Posted by: EC at February 04, 2013 03:11 PM (GQ8sn)

368 Hey, you know that scene in "Breakfast Club" where the geeky nerd is talking about how he took shop class because he thought it was an easy "A", but he's failing it because he can't get the elephant lamp to turn on? And the druggy kid is justifiably offended? And the Prom queen is all "so neither of you are better than the other."

I wonder if wordsmiths liked that scene.

Posted by: Book at February 04, 2013 03:16 PM (FNREo)

369 I'm not going to knock on book learning, being a book learner myself, but I don't see a reason to label other types of skills as second class, either.

------------------------------------------------


But labeled they are. Why do you think that the Mehicans are the ones labeled as the "good workers". It's to benefit the class mindedness of the left. If you don't become a lawyer, you're no better than a Mehican.

Posted by: Soona at February 04, 2013 03:17 PM (z2jDQ)

370 Ever try to get a plumber or an HVAC technician on a weekend? These guys make good money. I tend to be a bit academic myself but can work my way around most household problems. I will never understand why tradespeople are disparaged.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at February 04, 2013 03:18 PM (jucos)

371 I think we're moving towards "Grand Theft Auto of Human Political Behavior."

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 04, 2013 03:18 PM (81UWZ)

372

Any response to this post could be a dissertation.

My first thought, what switch is flicked when a long time (wordsmith/verbally skilled) lib leaves liberal ideology for conservative or capitalistic ones?

And, on a personal note, I cannot reconcile my own experiences with that of the author. I was the stereotypical quite/shy girl with straight A's. But, I do not recognize the "doing it for the praise" as much as doing it because I was disciplined to learn. The value of learning and understanding was instilled in me. My hard work and perseverance gave me the A's. It was kinda my "job." But, the various disciplines were also "fun."

This continued to undergrad and grad school. And, I embraced and loved technology, learning more, and working for "companies." My first large scale company was IBM. I needed excellent written and verbal skills as well, to get ahead, climb the corporate ladder. Present ideas, budgets, run research and development projects.

But, I also embraced sports, which taught me team work, and competition. And, fun.

My belief has always been that whatever brushes up against you, and whatever we absorb through all of our senses throughout our entire lives are what shapes us. And, that is hard to pinpoint into a philosophy.

And, it never hurt having a loving, caring family.

Posted by: beach at February 04, 2013 03:18 PM (LpQbZ)

373 Every writer ought to spend a year or two doing technical writing. It teaches you a couple of things: 1. your sterling prose is not nearly as important as the information it conveys, and 2. Those programmers who can't put together two clear English sentences can build things you would never have even imagined.

Posted by: Farmer Joe at February 04, 2013 03:24 PM (CyP2Z)

374 350 wheatie -- don't quote the troll.

Troll?
I didn't quote the troll...I quoted Alexthechick in #342.

And then I quoted the Preezy, from his speech today.
Is that who you mean?


Posted by: wheatie at February 04, 2013 03:26 PM (BZMZX)

375 That explains places like DailyKos and HuffPo. A lot of pretty, frilly words and arguments that *read* well, but nothing that withstands the cruel backhand of reality. The wordsmiths there are incapable of comprehending that words themselves rarely translate into the tangible.

And it's not just wordsmiths on the left -- though they are by far and away leftist as that worldview coddles their otherwise fragile egos -- because it also creeps into the writing of those of us on the right from time to time. There has been more than one occasion where I've caught myself celebrating my own wit. What keeps me in check is Catholic humility; the service of the saints shames me back to my proper place. For others, it might be a close friend who isn't afraid to call B.S.. Those psychologically-balanced enough to know they need some kind of check seek out something or someone to temper their egos.

Unfortunately, our fellow wordsmiths on the left generally prefer the comfortable echo chamber of "circlejerking". They've become addicted to praise like any junkie to a physical drug. (This ties into a whole cultural malaise that others have noticed, but that would take too long to get into. Not to mention boring, I imagine.)

Posted by: The Ghost of Flannery O'Connor at February 04, 2013 04:33 PM (8V74Y)

376 I'm a wordsmith. I write stuff for a living and fix other people's writing. In school I was the skinny kid with glasses who hated the playground and gym class sports. Being the Smart Guy was always my ego boost. I even used to get picked on by a jock whose family were evangelical Christians.

But I never turned into a liberal shit -- not entirely sure why. I think it's partly the fact that I absolutely HATE hypocrisy and dishonesty, and from the start I could hear how much unadulterated bullshit liberals were spouting.

We can't just dismiss the wordsmiths as cowards and ninnies. They may be shits, but they're frighteningly competent in their own spheres, and they've done an unmatched job of defining terms so that they win.

We have to find a way to get through to the skinny kid with glasses on the playground.

Posted by: Trimegistus at February 04, 2013 04:49 PM (8nuUB)

377 We have to find a way to get through to the skinny kid with glasses on the playground.

A friend of mine served on submarines. He said that one thing everyone on a submarine knows is that anyone on a sub can kill everyone on the sub. Elitism
doesn't work on a submarine; people can't be excluded or bullied.

If you were to graph the power of individuals today compared to individuals in the past you would discover that the average person today wields huge amounts of power. For example: put a Greek Phalanx against an average SUV. It certainly wouldn't be very hard to flank the Phalanx and mow it down with an SUV; people with shields don't do well against two tons of metal and hundreds of horsepower. An SUV would be a terror machine to the ancient Greek military.

It is only a matter of time until we all find ourselves in the submarine situation; where anyone can kill everyone. Don't think that is true? Right now it is within the capability of anyone of average intelligence to kill hundreds if not thousands of people; the 9/11 terrorists weren't rocket scientists and they managed to pull it off. All knowledge is a double edged sword - it can be used for good or for evil.The genie of knowledge can't be put back in the bottle.

Elitism can't be allowed to exist in the world of the very near future.

Posted by: An Observation at February 04, 2013 09:41 PM (ylhEn)

378 I think you over praise yourself. Wordsmiths and good grade getters are just better at providing the Pavlovian Response the teacher is looking for. You're easier to control and the teacher likes that and praises you. You misinterpret that as being smart when you're simply dull and housebroken doing what's expected. Teachers also often make the same mistake. Docile kids who do their homework are considered smart. So, in the end, there are a lot of mind numbingly average kids out there with no curiosity or creativity whatsoever thinking they're geniuses. Your 'genius' consists merely of not being an irritant to a harried teacher - at best.

Posted by: Freddie at February 04, 2013 10:31 PM (6FGVd)

379 I never faced this conflict, I guess because I was the smartest in my class (really in my whole school) all the way through. I was also the biggest, strongest, best athlete and best fighter, so I was kicking ass all the time, usually on someone else's behalf because nobody really messed with me. And I was also the best looking, most socially adept and most popular with both the girls and the boys - you know, the girls want me and the boys want to be me (or at least be around me). Call me lucky if you will, it won't change my superior nature, and it won't change the fact that I didn't and don't have to choose sides. Equal contempt for all who consider one virtue more important than another.

Posted by: Esteban at February 05, 2013 09:31 AM (0aw78)






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