Guns & Hunting Thread (2-3-2013)

Let's Leave The Conspiracy Theories To The Left, M'kay?

The proper response to this:


... is something along the lines of, "nice shotgun".

To deny them this:


But whoever did this? ... Genius!


Some Maintenance Required

Now that you're a gunowner, there's a little catch you should be aware of if you're not already. These things are pretty simple pieces of metal, wood and plastic, but they require maintenance ... especially since firing them produces all kinds of nasty substances that foul the inner workings.

First and foremost, RTFM (read the fine manual). The manual that comes with your new firearm should describe the basic maintenance you need to do.

Also, the Internet is your friend. There are some good guides from cleaning product manufacturers and videos on the topic, not to mention the commenters here who'll chime in with any advice you need.

Firearms are very simple machines that, with proper maintenance, will last for several lifetimes. The Remington Nylon 66 and Marlin lever-action rifle in my safe that were originally purchased by my grandfather are testament to that.


Gun Of The Week

A guest star ...

Untitled


Marksmanship Award



Gun Of The Week - Answer

That's a brand new Walther PPQ 9mm that belongs to one of the moronettes. I left her name out of the post, so you should just presume that all the 'ettes are packin' heat.


Classic Calibers

Centerfire metallic cartridges came into vogue around the time of the War Between the States, and the last 150-odd years have seen many chamberings be introduced, find some level of adoption and then be supplanted by a more popular cartridge.

For example, I have 2 rifles chambered for .250-3000 Savage. The name comes from the use of a 25 caliber bullet and the fact that this was the first cartridge to surpass a muzzle velocity of 3,000 feet per second in a factory loading (using an 87 grain bullet).

The cartridge was introduced in 1915 and achieved a decent level of popularity, but it's not ballistically different enough from competing rounds like the .243 Winchester, 6mm Remington, etc. to really make a name for itself, and it was eventually killed off by these for all intents and purposes. It lives on, however, as the basis of the .22-250 varmint round that became a classic in its own right.

One of the rifles is a Savage Model 99 lever action, which was also innovative for its time. The problem with loading a high-performance round in a traditional lever-action was the tubular magazine. It doesn't take a PhD in physics to figure out that bad things can happen when recoil forces act on the nose of a pointed bullet resting on the primer of the round in front of it.

The other rifle is a Remington Model 700 Classic. They produced this rifle each year in a different chambering, and the .250 Savage got the honors in 1984. This is among one of the most accurate rifles I've ever had the pleasure of owning, and it still makes the occasional trip to the deer woods.

We'll be highlighting cartridges and history like this in the thread from time to time going forward. Thanks to the well-nic'd 'Mauser757' for the idea.


Tips

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Comments

1 #1

Posted by: 1st at February 03, 2013 03:41 PM (HPRku)

2 David Plouffe. Heh. Even his name is a pussified joke.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 03, 2013 03:41 PM (UOM48)

3 Yay Gunz!

Posted by: Country Singer at February 03, 2013 03:42 PM (mDanm)

4 The thing that gets me about the TFG skeet pic: was it so far buried in the archives that it took them a week to find it? I question the timing of the release.

Posted by: Country Singer at February 03, 2013 03:43 PM (mDanm)

5 Didn't go to the local gun show yesterday. Husband worked, and after I got some advice from the Horde, we decided I should go to a local dealer with an indoor range to try some stuff out.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 03, 2013 03:43 PM (UOM48)

6 This Ain't Hell has a couple of people with some interesting theories about Skeeter Pic.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 03, 2013 03:44 PM (UOM48)

7 Jane D'oh, if they immediately steer you to the pink guns, walk out and find another dealer. Same thing if, when you walk in with hubby, they insist on only talking to him.

Posted by: Country Singer at February 03, 2013 03:46 PM (mDanm)

8 That's me. First, again. Woot, woot, woot!

As to the Jef, not a photoshop, too indictable by the techies. It’s a photo-op. Putting
aside Preezy Punkazz Fgt Cakeboy is shooting level (oh, he let’s the clay pigeons
finish their arc and fall to the ground before shooting to make it more
difficult) , he’s not wearing a vest with ammo. Unless “shooting skeet”
is a one shot thing, he either would have a vest on (like the pic of
softballer Big Sis) or a table with a box of shells to reload. Doesn’t
look like the range, either. This is pure effin Barbara Streisand. What a
bunch of corrupt, bath-housing, wussy shirt lifting Julie Boys this
Admin is. Just like their fawning presstitutes. Neither have a clue as
to the realities of this sport or anything American.

BTW, 10 days and I get a new crime-stopper. Scored in this crazy market. Think Derringer, 38 cal. wad cutter and pocket. Fap, fap, fap. W/my others I'm gonna carry 3 at a time. Fuck you MFM and TFG and 'Rats, standing in the blood of those poor children at Sandy Hook.. Fuck you all. With a pineapple. Rubbed in rock salt. Sideways. Repeatedly. And as deep as the shovel handle will allow. Assholes.

Posted by: eureka! at February 03, 2013 03:47 PM (HPRku)

9 I love that Savage! I have a class of 1952 here.

I saw a shotgun that someday, if things don't go completely off the rails I have to own. A French side by side, The Darne. (Not Darnay, no accent) It looks like it would be like pointing a walking stick at the birds. Probably the most graceful s by s I have ever seen.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at February 03, 2013 03:47 PM (l3vZN)

10 David Plouffe. Heh. Even his name is a pussified joke.



Posted by: Jane D'oh

I think you are being WAY too polite. He is an arrogant jerk. Next to valerie, he is my most detested BOnut!

Posted by: carolina at February 03, 2013 03:48 PM (EFeV9)

11 On a nice note, I ordered four mags from Bushmaster for my M-4 on Dec 29th. They arrived Feb 1st. Not too bad considering the madness out there.

Posted by: Bill R. at February 03, 2013 03:49 PM (QnRSM)

12 Another point: why aren't we hammering TFG for participating in a sport reserved for elites? After all, everyone knows that skeet/trap/sporting clays are the gun world's version of dressage...

Posted by: Country Singer at February 03, 2013 03:49 PM (mDanm)

13 the Darne

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-K2hGVVU0VUk/TyNWNJRjtFI/AAAAAAAAAmY/4wZtHPZQmns/s640/124_2433.jpg

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at February 03, 2013 03:49 PM (l3vZN)

14 By Mr. Plouffe's logic, if a politician poses for a photo with a fireman hat on, he's a fireman.

Posted by: Hell on the Wabash at February 03, 2013 03:49 PM (3B52z)

15 Since I don't have skilz, I'm gonna keep on naggin' until slublog or someone photoshops TFG snow skiing, hang-gliding, water skiing, rappelling, bowling, sailing, parachuting, operating a lawn mower...the ideas are endless.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 03, 2013 03:50 PM (UOM48)

16
Nice GH wrap up - keep up the good work.
Thanks

Posted by: USCitizen at February 03, 2013 03:51 PM (ZcTwP)

17 TFG: I play polo all the time.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 03, 2013 03:51 PM (UOM48)

18 @ eureka! Thanks for that. It felt good to just read it. I'm still too polite (childhood indoctrination) to say exactly how I feel ..... so I appreciate the help!

Posted by: carolina at February 03, 2013 03:52 PM (EFeV9)

19 >> I love that Savage! I have a class of 1952 here.

Chambered in .250 or one of the other offerings?

Posted by: Andy at February 03, 2013 03:53 PM (OZPoa)

20 I still think he's got that shotgun up too high on his shoulder.

Posted by: USS Diversity at February 03, 2013 03:56 PM (QLJPW)

21 .250/3000 I have seen some gun authors write that it was the ideal deer cartridge. That's debatable, but a beautiful weapon.

I have always enjoyed the brass cartridge indicator on the receiver...classy!

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at February 03, 2013 03:56 PM (l3vZN)

22 Adam Baldwin posted this vid earlier of an Arizona man thwarting a home invasion with his own firearm.

http://t.co/uxuICtyV

It's frightening to imagine what would have happened had he been unarmed.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 03, 2013 03:56 PM (piMMO)

23 I just happen to own a Savage model 99. Used to be my grandfathers. I've never fired it. Maybe I should buy some ammo and give it a try.

Posted by: Ronster at February 03, 2013 03:57 PM (JgkPs)

24 >> By Mr. Plouffe's logic, if a politician poses for a photo with a fireman hat on, he's a fireman.

As I put it in an email yesterday, I can dig up a picture of me at the Kentucky Derby, but it doesn' t mean I know shit about horses or horseracing.

Posted by: Andy at February 03, 2013 03:57 PM (OZPoa)

25 Obama is showing. What is he, about three months along?

Posted by: t-bird at February 03, 2013 03:57 PM (FcR7P)

26 >> the Darne

Wow. That's interesting.

Posted by: Andy at February 03, 2013 03:58 PM (OZPoa)

27 Had a Ruger #1 single shot with the heavy varmint barrel in .22-250. That was an awesome tackdriver.

Posted by: xbradtc at February 03, 2013 03:59 PM (O0L6N)

28 I just found a receipt for some 9mm luger that I bought in March of last year. $10.99/box. I went to the site just now and they don't have any type at any price.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at February 03, 2013 04:00 PM (l3vZN)

29 Just got off the phone talking to brother about GUNS and how hard it is to find one now!


Of course all mine fell in the lake in a boating accident.

Posted by: Vic at February 03, 2013 04:02 PM (53z96)

30 I have a single shot Western Field 12 gauge which hasn't been fired since about 1960.

The gun dates back to the 1920's. My dad taught me to hunt with it.

Would today's shells be dangerous in (to) that, or should I keep it in the same batch as my damascus-twist items dating back to the 1890's?

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 03, 2013 04:03 PM (Qxe/p)

31 On cleaning; I was shocked a few weeks ago when I went into Wal-Mart and bought a new bottle of Hoppes number 9. Shit has gone through the roof.

Posted by: Vic at February 03, 2013 04:04 PM (53z96)

32 >> I have always enjoyed the brass cartridge indicator on the receiver...classy!

Indeed. As is the remaining round indicator.

I'm not sure what year mine was made. I got it from the original owner who, unfortunately, owned a gunsmith shop and cut the barrel down to about 20".

That said, it's not like they took a hacksaw to it or anything. It's well cut and crowned and shoots very well. Still not original, though.

Posted by: Andy at February 03, 2013 04:05 PM (OZPoa)

33 You cannot mail a firearm to someone in another state through the USPS, but you can mail it to yourself at their address. The law is an ass.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 03, 2013 04:05 PM (QupBk)

34 oops, wrong thread.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 03, 2013 04:05 PM (QupBk)

35 Hey, but it works here too.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 03, 2013 04:06 PM (QupBk)

36 OT, but Molly Line has gone really ginger and looks beautiful.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 03, 2013 04:06 PM (piMMO)

37 Does anyone here use Ballistol? Opinions on it?

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 03, 2013 04:07 PM (QupBk)

38 I haven't seen your single shot, but Western Field sold some quality arms over the years. If it is not Damascus barreled, and the action is in good condition it should be ok. When in doubt have somebody qualified take a look see.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at February 03, 2013 04:08 PM (l3vZN)

39 Would today's shells be dangerous in (to) that, or
should I keep it in the same batch as my damascus-twist items dating
back to the 1890's?


Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 03, 2013 04:03 PM (Qxe/p)

I would not be worried about shooing any of today shells in it.

Posted by: Vic at February 03, 2013 04:09 PM (53z96)

40 Well except 3" magnum shells which will not fit in it anyway.

Posted by: Vic at February 03, 2013 04:09 PM (53z96)

41 Did you mean that you can mail it to yourself at your address?

Posted by: t-bird at February 03, 2013 04:11 PM (FcR7P)

42
OT, but Molly Line has gone really ginger and looks beautiful.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 03, 2013 04:06 PM (piMMO)

She has always been a Ginger.

Posted by: Vic at February 03, 2013 04:11 PM (53z96)

43 It was nice talking about some walnut and steel today. Now it is time to get ready to go to Grandma's for the Anti-gun Super Bowl presentation. Enjoy.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at February 03, 2013 04:11 PM (l3vZN)

44 >> Would today's shells be dangerous in (to) that

If it's marked 12 Ga. 2 3/4", is in good working order and, as you noted, isn't made of Damascus steel you're generally OK.

If you have any doubts about its mechanical condition at all, have a qualified gunsmith give it the once-over.

Posted by: Andy at February 03, 2013 04:12 PM (OZPoa)

45 I disagree that there is a tremendous "truther" style response to the skeet photo. Most of what I've seen from informed persons is mockery. Mockery drives this particular POTUS nuts.

They release a photo of someone obviously not shooting skeet (no vest, or shell pouch, and pointing the weapon really low for the shot). The usual suspects claim it's a rifle, then a shotgun, and this is supposed to be a definitive, "So THERE!" moment for these asshats?

Pfffft.

Posted by: SARDiver at February 03, 2013 04:12 PM (U22vg)

46 Always liked that Walther P99.

I just don't like the idea of stocking "one more caliber". especially at today's prices.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at February 03, 2013 04:13 PM (pUqSw)

47 Did you mean that you can mail it to yourself at your address?

I see an incompatibility here.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/unlicensed-persons.html#shipping-firearms-additional

Q: May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U.S. Postal Service? ...

A nonlicensee may not transfer a firearm to a non-licensed resident of another State.

Q: May a nonlicensee ship firearms interstate for his or her use in hunting or other lawful activity?

Yes. A person may ship a firearm to himself or herself in care of another person in the State where he or she intends to hunt or engage in any other lawful activity. The package should be addressed to the owner. Persons other than the owner should not open the package and take possession of the firearm.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 03, 2013 04:13 PM (QupBk)

48 Karl Hess, who was Barry Goldwater's speechwriter, once said, "why pick up the rifle when a pie in the face is more effective."

Let the mockery continue!

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at February 03, 2013 04:14 PM (l3vZN)

49 Last week(?) there was a post about a pistol, maybe a Ruger, where if you bought the .22 they included a 9 mm barrel. Can someone please straighten me out on the details?

Posted by: Boomer Redneque, mobile edition at February 03, 2013 04:14 PM (6SNV7)

50 BTW, this is closer to what I had in mind for the guns & hunting thread. I like talking about old guns and cartridges much more than the stupid gun control shit, but you gots to go where the bus takes you.

I still didn't get to the turkey hunting segment, but the hour was getting late and Dave's gonna stomp this with pointy-elbowed cheerleaders soon.

Posted by: Andy at February 03, 2013 04:15 PM (OZPoa)

51 I would really like a bolt action,iron sightedfighting rifle, kind of a modern Enfield. I've looked at the Ruger Scout, Savage Hog Hunter, Mossberg MVP Predator, and I'm looking at Remington 700 BDL. Does anyone have any feedback on those or other choices?

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at February 03, 2013 04:15 PM (Rwrs+)

52
"Does anyone here use Ballistol? Opinions on it?"

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Apparently it's some kind of miracle liquid. The people who like REALLY like it. I think the black powder guys mix it with water (?) to make something they call "moose milk." It's big with the SASS guys. If you can search the SASS Wire forum for Ballistol, you'll get a lot of threads with testimonials and ideas.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 03, 2013 04:16 PM (celt+)

53 and I'm looking at Remington 700 BDL

Excellent in 30-06. Other calibers I do not know.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 03, 2013 04:17 PM (QupBk)

54 Jane D'Oh, I think you made the right decision. That would have been a chaotic environment for a thoughful purchase.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 03, 2013 04:18 PM (celt+)

55 How much is an M1 Garand going for these days?

Posted by: eman at February 03, 2013 04:18 PM (j7rp0)

56
39 Posted by: Vic at February 03, 2013 04:09 PM (53z96)
44 Posted by: Andy at February 03, 2013 04:12 PM (OZPoa)


Thanks!
The gun is in excellent condition -- worn from 40 years of hunting and carrying in the field, but no rust, etc.
I will also exempt steel shot, because I know what that did to my 870 Wingmaster after a case or two of duck hunting loads.

I still have scars on my thumb from the lever that drops the barrel -- I think my hands were too small when I was 10 years old.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 03, 2013 04:19 PM (Qxe/p)

57 How much is an M1 Garand going for these days?

$625 for Service grade at CMP, 995 or so for their special. Anywhere up to $1500 form others.

Interestingly enough, I just looked at a M1 short stock in .308 at my FFL. I think that's the Navy version.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 03, 2013 04:20 PM (QupBk)

58 WH warns not to photoshop pics of Preezy Obeezy! Oooohhhh we've been warned! They know as much about the 1st Amendment as the 2nd. Fuck off elitist assholes.

Posted by: Cheri at February 03, 2013 04:20 PM (EAgmr)

59 I, too, have a Nylon 66, which I originally gave to my father over 40 years ago. Light and accurate, it has been a ton of fun. I cling to the instructions almost as tightly as I do the gun. It is something of a bear to take apart and reassemble. Loading ammo through the butt of the rifle was unique to the time, as most .22 semi-autos loaded in a tube under the barrel.

Posted by: twolaneflash at February 03, 2013 04:20 PM (vWPhU)

60 I've always been partial to the Remington 700. That Classic is a tack-driver as is the .223 Rem. Varmint Special I have.

My dad still hunts with one in .243 that he bought in the early '60s. If you put a notch in the butt for every deer, that thing would have a pistol-grip by now.

I can't speak directly for the others.

Posted by: Andy at February 03, 2013 04:21 PM (OZPoa)

61 and I'm looking at Remington 700 BDL



Excellent in 30-06. Other calibers I do not know.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 03, 2013 04:17 PM (QupBk)

That is one of those that you will be lucky to find one in any caliber.

Posted by: Vic at February 03, 2013 04:21 PM (53z96)

62 I mean that's it's a carbine length M1, but not an M1 Carbine. If that make's any sense.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 03, 2013 04:21 PM (QupBk)

63 Still say that's a 20g.

Barry's new nickname: light load.

And remember, the H in BHO stands for Hermaphrodite.


Posted by: BHO at February 03, 2013 04:22 PM (P4cxa)

64 My dad still hunts with one in .243 that he bought
in the early '60s. If you put a notch in the butt for every deer, that
thing would have a pistol-grip by now.



I can't speak directly for the others.

Posted by: Andy at February 03, 2013 04:21 PM (OZPoa)

Better latch on to that one. That line has been discontinued by Remington.

Posted by: Vic at February 03, 2013 04:22 PM (53z96)

65 How much is an M1 Garand going for these days?

$625 for Service grade at CMP, 995 or so for their special. Anywhere up to $1500 form others.

Interestingly enough, I just looked at a M1 short stock in .308 at my FFL. I think that's the Navy version.
Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 03, 2013 04:20 PM (QupBk)

Thanks!

I'm going to get a gun or two after I move out of CA, and have good memories of firing a M1 when I was a teenager.

Posted by: eman at February 03, 2013 04:22 PM (j7rp0)

66 They know as much about the 1st Amendment as the 2nd.

To be fair, The Founders did not foresee Photoshop. If they had, they would have bought Adobe stock.

Posted by: t-bird at February 03, 2013 04:22 PM (FcR7P)

67 Mr. TiFW refers to this video all the time, just to be sure that he is cleaning his Glock correctly:

http://is.gd/9Dp7MU

You'd think he would have figured it out by now, but no......

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at February 03, 2013 04:23 PM (ADnWI)

68 So who has the cable shut off to save money the day before the SB? My husband that's who. Damn can't watch the game.

Posted by: Cheri at February 03, 2013 04:24 PM (EAgmr)

69 I went and looked and CMP still has some field grade M1s for $525+shipping.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 03, 2013 04:24 PM (QupBk)

70 For cleaning, I've been using M-Pro 7 for something like 20 years, and for many of those years I was shooting handguns competitively, maybe 10,000 rounds a year between practice and matches. I swear by it for pistol cleaning purposes. Plus, non-toxic, no wife-annoying smell, and never hurt the metal, plastic or wood on any of my pistols. Probably works well for rifles, too, seems to work well on Garands, 10-22s, and Marling 30-30s, but 99% of my experience is using it on handguns.

I do note that they have a whole range of products now, and I don't know anything about any of them except the straightforward cleaner (so, I have no experience with their CLP offerings, etc., personally I clean and lube as separate steps.).

Just one guy's two-cents.

Posted by: Boston12GS at February 03, 2013 04:25 PM (iZ0BY)

71 Man, that photoshop with Bugs IS great!! Thanks for posting it,Ace. I also like the one with Obama in a clown hat and brightly colored skivvies What makes it them all even better is that the WH apparently requested that the photo not be manipulated in anyway. So much for that. ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 03, 2013 04:25 PM (+qMCO)

72 OT, but Molly Line has gone really ginger and looks beautiful.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 03, 2013 04:06 PM (piMMO)


She aint no Patty Ann Brown.


I have an 1889 marlin lever action .22. It has an Octagon barrel. Works like new.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 03, 2013 04:25 PM (l86i3)

73 That 'ette's got man hands .

Runs and hides .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at February 03, 2013 04:25 PM (bmcz3)

74
The picture of Obama doesn't portray him doing anything more than pointing that Browning and pulling the trigger.

Time to stop trying to show it as anything else.

Posted by: irongrampa at February 03, 2013 04:26 PM (SAMxH)

75 They know as much about the 1st Amendment as the 2nd.

To be fair, The Founders did not foresee Photoshop. If they had, they would have bought Adobe stock.
Posted by: t-bird at February 03, 2013 04:22 PM (FcR7P)

Ben Franklin would have used it well.

In between internet porn benders.

Posted by: eman at February 03, 2013 04:26 PM (j7rp0)

76 I don't get the premise of this post: David Plouffe thinks they've won this round? "Haha, look at everybody making of Skeets McFuck! #Winning!"

Bless his heart.

Posted by: t-bird at February 03, 2013 04:26 PM (FcR7P)

77 Centerfire tubefed's with pointy bullets is something the Elbonians would come up with

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 03, 2013 04:26 PM (J6hHs)

78 Sorry; I guess that was Andy who posted it. Thx, Andy.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 03, 2013 04:26 PM (+qMCO)

79 "I would really like a bolt action,iron sightedfighting rifle, kind of a
modern Enfield. I've looked at the Ruger Scout, Savage Hog Hunter,
Mossberg MVP Predator, and I'm looking at Remington 700 BDL. Does anyone
have any feedback on those or other choices?"

-----------------

Well, if you want irons, cut those choices down to the Savage and the Ruger. If you're going for a modern battle boltie, I'd skip the .223s as well. Save the poodle shooter for a semi-auto carbine.

The Savage takes a 4-round mag and spares are pricey. There's only one higher-cap option I know of and it's about 90 bucks.

The Ruger has been getting fine reviews. The stock ten-round steel mag is a single-stack and of goofy length. But polymer five and ten rounders have become available, and they're relatively cheap (about $25 bucks). Unlike the steel mag, you can also single-load these from the top of the action, although Ruger doesn't recommend it (eventually you'll probably wear out the polymer feed lips.) I like the Ruger's sights more, and the rail is a nice thing to have.

I'm of the same mind as you, and I've decided on the Ruger when they're back in stock. I wish someone would go all-out with a double-stack ten round mag and a stripper clip guide, but the Ruger Scout comes close enough for me.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 03, 2013 04:26 PM (celt+)

80 DiT up but no sharp elbows

Posted by: Vic at February 03, 2013 04:26 PM (53z96)

81 By the end of the week, I should have a Mosin Nagant to play with...

Posted by: Piercello at February 03, 2013 04:27 PM (E/6f0)

82 By the end of the week, I should have a Mosin Nagant to play with...
Posted by: Piercello at February 03, 2013 04:27 PM (E/6f0)

I'm Jealous.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 03, 2013 04:27 PM (l86i3)

83 Chris Kyle. R.I.P. Unbelievable.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at February 03, 2013 04:28 PM (P3dtw)

84 By the end of the week, I should have a Mosin Nagant to play with...

Dood! I'll have a T53 in my paws on Wednesday.

Synchronicity!

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 03, 2013 04:28 PM (QupBk)

85 So, I learned something incredibly interesting and important at the range this week. Even though I'm left handed (as in my right hand is basically there for symmetry), it's turns out I'm right eye dominant. Which could explain why I was having such a damn hard time sighting with both eyes open.


I fired a revolver for the first time. S&W .38. Waaay different feel than my S&W .40.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at February 03, 2013 04:29 PM (GEICT)

86 The NY post photoshops of Obama. Snicker:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/mock_load_jokers_defy_pic_rule_rX59DYed2GSGrf0aWY5i2I

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 03, 2013 04:29 PM (+qMCO)

87 Do you have the ammo already?

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 03, 2013 04:29 PM (QupBk)

88 I swear to God, Plouffe's conduct is utterly childish. Dude, what's with the "8 year old" shtick?

Posted by: SFGoth at February 03, 2013 04:31 PM (zatwN)

89 Amendment to my #79 - the Hog Hunter has an integral magazine, I believe. The Savage Scout has a DBM.

BYW, the Savage Scout is an option as well. My notes about the magazine do apply to that rifle.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 03, 2013 04:31 PM (celt+)

90 Because the 7.62X54R is suddenly sparse, or rather, suddenly more expensive.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 03, 2013 04:31 PM (QupBk)

91 "So, I learned something incredibly interesting and important at the
range this week. Even though I'm left handed (as in my right hand is
basically there for symmetry), it's turns out I'm right eye dominant.
Which could explain why I was having such a damn hard time sighting with
both eyes open."

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Same for my wife. It's hilarious watching her try to sight a rifle.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 03, 2013 04:32 PM (celt+)

92 >> Even though I'm left handed (as in my right hand is basically there for symmetry), it's turns out I'm right eye dominant.

My little brother has the exact opposite problem. He writes righthanded but shoots lefthanded.

At least all the guns are made for your version.

Posted by: Andy at February 03, 2013 04:33 PM (OZPoa)

93 "Because the 7.62X54R is suddenly sparse"

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Not in my house. MWA-HA-HA!!!!

I hear tales of gun nuts who do not own a 10/22 and a Mosin Nagant, but I dismiss these as fables.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 03, 2013 04:34 PM (celt+)

94 @49 Last week(?) there was a post about a pistol, maybe a Ruger, where if you bought the .22 they included a 9 mm barrel. Can someone please straighten me out on the details?
Posted by: Boomer Redneque, mobile edition

Think that was a Sig Sauer. Here is a link to the P226 .22 version that converts.

http://bit.ly/UPYJtD

Posted by: pilot141 at February 03, 2013 04:35 PM (unkLq)

95 At least all the guns are made for your version.

Posted by: Andy at February 03, 2013 04:33 PM (OZPoa)




I'm not sure what I'm going to do. Try and attempt to shoot right handed or continue to shoot left handed while compensating for the right eye dominance. (I've got a cop buddy who's left eye dominant but right handed. He describes it as "the gun is pointing at 12 o'clock while it looks like my head is pointed at 2.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at February 03, 2013 04:37 PM (GEICT)

96 @ 92

Same here. Taught me to shoot ambidextrously. It's not a big problem with a pistol, I've found.

Posted by: irongrampa at February 03, 2013 04:38 PM (SAMxH)

97 @toby

Not yet. I'm making this up as I go along. 8-)

Posted by: Piercello at February 03, 2013 04:38 PM (E/6f0)

98 They're messing with us again

‏@AHMalcolm
A compelling technical demolition that blows holes through the purported Obama shotgun photo http://bit.ly/WQv7wH

Posted by: Granny Jan and Jihad Kitty at February 03, 2013 04:39 PM (3Yoby)

99 I'm not sure what I'm going to do.

Be glad that you're not shooting a long bow.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 03, 2013 04:39 PM (QupBk)

100 Have the 10/22 but not the Mosin.
Not a "nut" cause I can't afford to be. I just basically have one each of your "standard" and my bolt action is a Ruger.

Posted by: teej at February 03, 2013 04:39 PM (sTfkB)

101 Another interpretation of Preezy Breezy Skeety's pic:

"A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the very richest elite and your political betters to keep $10,000 playthings for use under controlled conditions, shall not be infringed."

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 03, 2013 04:39 PM (bxiXv)

102 Taro, I like the Ruger Scout, but it's expensive. Also, the short barrel will make the blast uncomfortable. People who own them claim they aren't that accurate past about 300 yards. According to Appleseed shooting, we should be able to reach out to 500 yards with a rack grade, iron sighted surplus rifle. I just want a modern version of that gun.

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at February 03, 2013 04:41 PM (Rwrs+)

103 Not yet. I'm making this up as I go along. 8-)

I'd recommend looking for a case right now. I've placed two orders, two 300rd cases on stripper clips from S&G Sales, and two 440rd cases of Bulgarian from AIM Surplus at fairly reasonable prices. I have confirmation on both but no ship date yet, and now they show as being out of stock.

I'm going to be pissed if one, or both try to stiff me.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 03, 2013 04:42 PM (QupBk)

104 Use to loves my PPQ but unfortunately I had a very bad canoeing accident and lost it with all my weapons. I even have amnesia as to what stream/river/lake/ocean this bad accident happened.

Posted by: Jim Scrummy at February 03, 2013 04:43 PM (Vu3LY)

105 The NY post photoshops of Obama. Snicker:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/mock_load_jokers_defy_pic_rule_rX59DYed2GSGrf0aWY5i2I


That last one is awesome.

Posted by: t-bird at February 03, 2013 04:45 PM (FcR7P)

106 Does anyone here have any experience with the Chiappa Rhino?

I like the idea of moving the barrel down to reduce barrel flip, and YouTube videos I've seen look impressive. But damn that thing is ugly. And finish and workmanship just don't look that great, at least from a distance. But I've never actually held the gun, and the nearest in-state distributor is two hours away.

Any input?

Posted by: Pastafarian at February 03, 2013 04:45 PM (KC3A2)

107 Mockery drives this particular POTUS nuts.

Exactly. Which is should be done daily and without ceasing.

Posted by: Captain Whitebread at February 03, 2013 04:46 PM (5J54Q)

108 Thanks for the suggestions. I'll definitely be asking around!

Posted by: Piercello at February 03, 2013 04:48 PM (E/6f0)

109 I swear to God, Plouffe's conduct is utterly childish. Dude, what's with the "8 year old" shtick?


Posted by: SFGoth

Poofer is as thin skinned as his boss. What kills me is that these people talk to us with the disdain so evident in their snide remarks. They truly hate Americans. The ones that don't bow to them that is.

Posted by: Cheri at February 03, 2013 04:50 PM (EAgmr)

110 I just like to make fun of the picture, but to me, the smoke looks like it's from a different lighting environment. And, unless that's a picture clipped from Joe Biden's choo-choo train, wouldn't a port on the right keep knocking your gun around?

Back to the mockery.

Posted by: t-bird at February 03, 2013 04:51 PM (FcR7P)

111 I take it back,Piercello. J&G still has surplus in stock, they just went up a few dollars per case. http://www.jgsales.com/ammo-for-rifles-c-12_42.html

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 03, 2013 04:52 PM (QupBk)

112 "Taro, I like the Ruger Scout, but it's expensive. Also, the short barrel
will make the blast uncomfortable. People who own them claim they
aren't that accurate past about 300 yards."

----------------

Interesting. Maybe I'll wait and see how the new stainless Scout with the 18" barrel shakes out.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 03, 2013 04:52 PM (celt+)

113 I expect something, well, super from SuperDave in Texas on this day. Carbide tipped elbows, at a minimum.

Posted by: Pecan Scandi at February 03, 2013 04:53 PM (wYShC)

114 Chris Kyle RIP. Shocking news.

Posted by: Cheri at February 03, 2013 04:53 PM (EAgmr)

115 AIM Surplus on the other hand, is down to Russian Match ammo in the surplus pile http://is.gd/ybLSyH

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 03, 2013 04:56 PM (QupBk)

116 ou should read and disseminate our letter...it can be found at professional soldiers dot com.

Protecting the Second Amendment – Why all Americans Should Be Concerned





We are current or former Army Reserve, National Guard, and active duty

US Army Special Forces soldiers (Green Berets). We have all taken an

oath to “...support and defend the Constitution of the United States

against all enemies foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith

and allegiance to the same.…” The Constitution of the United States is

without a doubt the single greatest document in the history of mankind,

codifying the fundamental principle of governmental power and authority

being derived from and granted through the consent of the governed. Our

Constitution established a system of governance that preserves,

protects, and holds sacrosanct the individual rights and primacy of the

governed as well as providing for the explicit protection of the

governed from governmental tyranny and/or oppression. We have witnessed

the insidious and iniquitous effects of tyranny and oppression on people

all over the world. We and our forebears have embodied and personified

our organizational motto, De Oppresso Liber [To Free the Oppressed], for

more than a half century as we have fought, shed blood, and died in the

pursuit of freedom for the oppressed.



It is much longer.

Blue
Nous Defions

Posted by: blue at February 03, 2013 04:56 PM (T0P22)

117 As much as people want to jump on the "anti-conspiracy" bandwagon, the the story behind the photo is, if not fake, at least deuced implausible.

Perhaps the most likely explanation is that the photo is "real" from a "real event" but either touched up for some unknown and probably stupid reason or simply misrepresented as part of a frequent chain of events when it's really an isolated event.

Or he's just playing That Game He Loves where he discredits people by releasing fake proof of real events just to wind people up and distract them.

I have no problem believing he went shooting - Jesus, look a Hollywood's love affair with shooting, as long as the *peons* can't have them! It's his contention that he's not a ban-happy control freak and he's "just like you" that's horse-hockey.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 03, 2013 04:58 PM (bxiXv)

118 Andy's a turkey hunter ?
That would be nice, mostly I seem like the turkey hunter wallflower around these parts . Which is also how I feel in society at large .
Excellent , more birds for me , fuck society .

Posted by: awkward davies at February 03, 2013 05:01 PM (USjX1)

119 So is there a link to the actual deal for the Sig Sauer? I don't see it on their page. They mention that you can do it, but the offer the kit separate.

Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk at February 03, 2013 05:03 PM (GEICT)

120 The port thing is a little dicey but the photo isn't good enough to tell if there are gases coming out of ports on both sides. It *looks* like there's nothing coming out of the left side, but the detail just isn't high enough to be sure.

It does look like lower-velocity and lower-volume smoke than you would expect. The timing of the photo would explain the latter but not the former.

*But* it could also be some jackass touching up details for no reason or some other weird factor - or he's shooting Aguila Minis or something else odd.

In short, the photo may or may not be real or retouched, but the contention that they's "just like us" is a lie and the contention that they're not going after skeet shooting or pheasant-peppering is irrelevant.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 03, 2013 05:04 PM (bxiXv)

121 Conspiracies? That's one of the most cleverly disguised bongs I have ever seen.

Posted by: Fritz at February 03, 2013 05:06 PM (WM+rJ)

122 Who gives a fuck about the picture? Seriously. Dismiss it as the cheap, condescending gimmick it is, and move on.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 03, 2013 05:08 PM (celt+)

123 Hell , everyone knows that the 2nd was written to guarantee every american the ability to posses high end over and under target shotguns .
Center fire rifles , no way prole .

Posted by: awkward davies at February 03, 2013 05:09 PM (USjX1)

124 As an 07FFL/ SOT I own several 10/22s but since I don't own a boat I have no needfor a Mosin boat anchor.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at February 03, 2013 05:09 PM (2SS7B)

125 So is there a link to the actual deal for the Sig Sauer? I don't see it on their page. They mention that you can do it, but the offer the kit separate.
Posted by: BCochran1981 - Credible Hulk

Someone mentioned it in one of the previous threads, but I have never seen it myself. I remember they said it was a manufacturer deal. I couldn't find it on their site either.

On some good Sig news, picked up my brand spanking new P226 .40 S&W on Friday and put about 50 rounds through it. What a great handgun.

Posted by: pilot141 at February 03, 2013 05:09 PM (unkLq)

126 "since I don't own a boat I have no need for a Mosin boat anchor."

==================

Shall I retort?


Posted by: Vasily Zaitsev at February 03, 2013 05:21 PM (celt+)

127 "Shall I retort?"

==================

Then me. I've got 309 retorts.

Posted by: Lyudmila Pavlichenko at February 03, 2013 05:23 PM (celt+)

128 7.62X54R is about twenty cents a round for a .30 bullet to practice with, and accurate enough out to 200 yards seemingly. I'm tired of dropping a buck a round for 30-06 to practice.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 03, 2013 05:31 PM (QupBk)

129 ATTN Plouffe,

Barry chooming a shotgun steamroller is not the same as skeet shooting.

Posted by: Obamao at February 03, 2013 05:47 PM (JtyGg)

130 Granny Jan's link to article questioning if the unphotoshoppable was itself 'shopped had this:

"A photo taken at this stage of the firing process would also reveal the forces of recoil upon the shooter."

I think the lack of recoil effects has bothered me since I first saw the photo, but the weird smoke and level aim were distracting me.

But then, heh, I haven't shot skeet since I was a kid. (Wow. I really miss my Dad.)

Posted by: Mindfulguy still banned on the desktop at February 03, 2013 05:55 PM (uHgI5)

131 What the hell is a "skeet birther"?

Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit S.O.B. at February 03, 2013 06:05 PM (erlzv)

132 PS I dood a mocky vid. http://bit.ly/skeetr

Posted by: Mindfulguy still banned on the desktop at February 03, 2013 06:08 PM (13IVx)

133 I swear to God, Plouffe's conduct is utterly childish. Dude, what's with the "8 year old" shtick?

I cornered the liberal market a long time ago.

Posted by: Arrested Development at February 03, 2013 06:18 PM (vbh31)

134 She has always been a Ginger.

****

She is now deep ginger. Red-Red.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 03, 2013 06:29 PM (piMMO)

135 NRA announces new program:

All shooting ranges should have armed guards (paid for by the taxpayer of course.)

Because if an armed Navy SEAL sharpshooter and a whole shooting range full of
armed people in the process of shooting can't stop a gun murder ... or
shoot the perpetrator ...

Posted by: John at February 03, 2013 06:41 PM (KOp/H)

136 Seeing as how you were there and know exactly how everything went down, why didn't YOU stop him?

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 03, 2013 06:53 PM (celt+)

137
"since I don't own a boat I have no need for a Mosin boat anchor."

==================

Shall I retort?


Posted by: Vasily Zaitsev at February 03, 2013 05:21 PM (celt+)

127 "Shall I retort?"

==================

Then me. I've got 309 retorts.
Posted by: Lyudmila Pavlichenko at February 03, 2013 05:23 PM (celt+)








Commie bastard poofters, the both of you.

Posted by: Simo Häyhä at February 03, 2013 06:53 PM (MBqvE)

138
In honor of the Hawaiian SCOAMF and his new hobby.....

Skeet Surfin'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaXOHCNgYrc

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 03, 2013 06:58 PM (MBqvE)

139 Thanks for covering the .250-3000, this is a cartridge I have little to no familiarity with. Its amazing how much the .243Win has done to really own the quarter-bore market for quite some time.

I believe any cartridge throwing an 85-100 grain bullet in the 3000fps range is going to be solid for taking deer sized game out to 200 yards. I hunt eastern Kansas and have taken a couple of nice sized bucks (250lb range) with a .243 throwing a 100 grain bullet at 2800fps and I haven't had any issues with deer running. I would imagine a .25 caliber throwing a 100 grain bullet at the same velocities would have similar success.

The great thing about so many of these old, sub-par, calibers is that inside of 300 yards they're almost all great for CXP2 class game - especially when combined with traditional soft point lead core bullets (no fancy partitions needed).

If the ammo industry ever adopts a "heavy and slow" mentality instead of hyperspeed and ultralight it'll be interesting to see what cartridges start making a comeback.


Posted by: Mauser757 at February 03, 2013 07:04 PM (mfWu+)

140 hey,

this thread is still kicking

Posted by: Jake in ID at February 03, 2013 07:10 PM (jfSqj)

141 uh, no

Posted by: Jake in ID at February 03, 2013 07:21 PM (jfSqj)

142 just during the commercials.

Posted by: Mauser757 at February 03, 2013 07:26 PM (mfWu+)

143 I appreciated the links to the gun cleaning videos. I know it's just not that complicated, but it seems complicated or at least like you're going to forget something or do something wrong or, since it's so simple, that there must be more to it.

(Also... hey, coolies! You used my photo!)

As for going to a gun dealer and getting steered toward the pink guns... I got steered toward the itty-bitty concealed carry guns. To be fair I answered the question of "what are you looking for" with "Duh.... I donno."

Which was pretty much the truth.

I suppose that what I wanted was something that could be considered "all purpose" because I might only have one. If I was planning on buying three then a .22 target pistol, an itty-bitty (pink) pistol for concealed carry, and something with a wee bit more heft for nightstand duty would have made sense.

But a .22 isn't that useful (if better than nothing) for purposes other than target shooting for fun and the itty-bitty (even if not the pink one) would be nasty for target shooting for fun.

So I got the PPQ which has ammo that is a bit expensive for shooting for fun, but not impossible, and is a little large for concealed carry, but not impossible, and a little small for the nightstand, but not impossible.

And so far so good.

Posted by: Synova at February 03, 2013 07:30 PM (7/PU+)

144 Gun and hunting thread, whoooooooo Hooooooooo!

Anyone shoot corrosive berdan surplus ammo? I clean with hot water followed by swabbing dry and then the usual cleaning (hoppes, etc.).

I never use Rem Oil....I use a light coat of 5W synthetic oil if storing the rifle for a while. Its alot cheaper.

Hint of the day....never ever use WD 40 on a rifle.

WD 40- or as I lovingly call it...Rust in a can.

Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at February 03, 2013 07:48 PM (Sedwk)

145 Hey Andy, is your Marlin lever a rimfire/39a or the 336, or the 1894, or something different/old that I don't know about?
How do you feel about the old vs new Marlin controversy?

Posted by: NYC Parent at February 03, 2013 07:51 PM (1DceF)

146 D'oh! I missed this thread. I asked about cleaning yesterday, so thanks for the info. I'll have to go back and look at it later.

In the meantime, I was looking at this 1958 newspaper earlier today. Check out the Gimbels ad on page 2. Only $16.99!

http://tinyurl.com/d2g96k9

Posted by: rickl at February 03, 2013 07:53 PM (sdi6R)

147 NYC Parent, it's a 336 in .35 Rem.

I haven't paid much attention to the details, but I understand there are a lot of concerns about quality slipping (presuming that's the controversy you mean).

I don't have any direct experience with the new ones to be able to judge, though.

Posted by: Andy at February 03, 2013 08:01 PM (OZPoa)

148


But whoever did this? ... Genius!



I first saw this last night at Anna's Clue Tank.

Perhaps Anna can give us more information.

Posted by: Arbalest at February 03, 2013 08:04 PM (kbG1i)

149 >> Andy's a turkey hunter ?

Yessir.

As a matter of fact, I actually enjoy it more than deer hunting these days.

Posted by: Andy at February 03, 2013 08:09 PM (OZPoa)

150 As has been mentioned elsewhere, Barky isn't shooting a 'rifle'...

It's a steam gun.

And they say Steampunk is dead...

Posted by: The Mr Wolf non-ESQ at February 03, 2013 08:13 PM (UIAT6)

151 Taking a break from the halftime shitshow.....

Hoppes 9 is still pretty solid, but the Hoppes Elite line is much better (even though it lacks the banana oil smell).

M-Pro7 is basically Hoppes Elite, but slightly higher grade oils/solvents again.

I believe both of them were designed by the same firm (they're all owned by Bushnell) as a cleaner for tanks and jet engines.

M-Pro and Elite oils are super slick and are great for coating a firearm before putting it away after the season, just make sure you use a silicon cloth or something to rub down your firearm, or else you'll find that they're really greasy. For whatever reason a thin coat seems to multiply or something over time.

Posted by: Mauser757 at February 03, 2013 08:23 PM (mfWu+)

152 D'oh! I missed this thread. I asked about cleaning
yesterday, so thanks for the info. I'll have to go back and look at it
later.



In the meantime, I was looking at this 1958 newspaper earlier today. Check out the Gimbels ad on page 2. Only $16.99!



http://tinyurl.com/d2g96k9

Posted by: rickl at February 03, 2013 07:53 PM (sdi6R)

I think the first one of those I owned, I paid a whole $25 for. Wish I still had it. But I do have the jungle carbine variant yet.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 03, 2013 08:29 PM (29+x5)

153 151 Mauser 757
M-Pro7 is basically Hoppes Elite, but slightly higher grade oils/solvents again.

I believe both of them were designed by the same firm (they're all owned by Bushnell) as a cleaner for tanks and jet engines.


WD-40 was mentioned in an earlier comment, and not in a good way. I don't know whether it is suitable for guns, but it was originally developed for protecting the stainless steel fuel tanks of the Atlas ICBM nuclear missile in the 1950s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WD-40

Posted by: rickl at February 03, 2013 08:42 PM (sdi6R)

154 So out of nowhere today, my wife* tells me she wants to start shooting clays (sporting clays and "doing the skeet"). I was thinking about shotguns for her because mine won't work - I've got a 28" barreled 11-87 which is a bit heavy for her - plus recoil from 12ga shells.

I was thinking about getting her a 20ga Ruger Red Label, but saw the line has been discontinued. So now I'm thinking of going back to a 12ga semi-auto. I'd prefer something that is "pretty" because she isn't a hunter and it won't be a field gun. It'll be a safe whore and show up for range days.

My question is - what is a good, pretty, semi-auto shotgun, or o/u that can be picked up at a reasonable price these days?

*wife in the Te'o's (fuck that's hard to write in the possessive) girlfriend sense.

Posted by: Mauser757 at February 03, 2013 08:47 PM (mfWu+)

155 ricki

Thanks, I was completely unaware of the provenance of WD-40.

I don't know about the pros/cons of using WD-40 for cleaning a firearm. I've always used Hoppes #9 until about 5 years ago when I caved to the marketing hype and tried Hoppes Elite. That product was solid so then I tried M-Pro7.

I will say one of the differences between Hoppes 9, Hoppes Elite, M-Pro7, Outers and Gunslick is that these products are being sold as gun cleaners first and foremost, where WD-40 is not.



Posted by: Mauser757 at February 03, 2013 09:35 PM (mfWu+)

156 WD-40 leaves a sticky residue when it evaporates. Not so good as a lube for firearms.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at February 03, 2013 09:59 PM (QupBk)

157 TY a lot for posting that gun cleaning video. I woulda posted this comment on youtube, but I'm apparently banned or something.

I have a lot of experience in cleaning firearms, and most of it's wasted time.

I have a firearms cleaning concept to introduce to the world, based on my more recent experiences with automobiles:

First, lubricate them with motorcycle chain lube. Never use oil because it traps both dirt and air.

Next, put a few hundred rounds through them.

Now spray all the moving parts with brake cleaner. Don't spray it on a hot barrel, of course. Or do. See if I care. I believe brake cleaner has ether in it. I believe it in my heart.

Clean off the caked-on shit with a cloth or a soft brush.

Once all the parts are dry, spray motorcycle chain lube all over them.

I've never tested this, since I have no guns. But with motorcycle chain lubes I've used, the bubbles (dissolved flammable gases) disappear very quickly.

Posted by: Ray Sist at February 03, 2013 10:48 PM (v3Wj/)

158 Once again, I've never tried it. I just think somebody should.

Posted by: Ray Sist at February 03, 2013 10:51 PM (v3Wj/)

159 TFG sayez: That sticky residue in your mouth? Not the WD-40, but you're welcome just the same.


Posted by: Mauser757 at February 03, 2013 11:09 PM (mfWu+)

160 I have a lot of experience in cleaning firearms, and most of it's wasted time.

It's not wasted, it's therapeutic.

Posted by: toby928© at February 03, 2013 11:32 PM (QupBk)

161
In the meantime, I was looking at this 1958 newspaper earlier today. Check out the Gimbels ad on page 2. Only $16.99!



http://tinyurl.com/d2g96k9

Posted by: rickl at February 03, 2013 07:53 PM (sdi6R)

I think the first one of those I owned, I paid a whole $25 for. Wish I still had it. But I do have the jungle carbine variant yet.
Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 03, 2013 08:29 PM (29+x5)

I think I paid $100 for mine fifteen or sixteen years ago. Still got it and take it out every year or so to warm up the barrel.

Posted by: kpayne at February 03, 2013 11:37 PM (ZzUyd)

162 It's not wasted, it's therapeutic.

That's what somebody who likes to waste your time would say.

Just messing with you.

Posted by: Ray Sist at February 04, 2013 12:21 AM (v3Wj/)

163 Come to think of it, I guess if you need to store it for a few years, CLP would be useful to coat every part of it. Just don't forget to scrub it off and put some chain lube on it before you use it.

Posted by: Ray Sist at February 04, 2013 01:09 AM (v3Wj/)

164 Unless it's an emergency. CLP isn't bad stuff... It just fouls your chamber. That's why nato cartriges have that rounded shoulder.

Posted by: Ray Sist at February 04, 2013 01:15 AM (v3Wj/)

165 *NATO cartridges*

Posted by: Ray Sist at February 04, 2013 01:17 AM (v3Wj/)

166 It still doesn't look right. Cartridge? I'm honestly not new to spelling.

Posted by: Ray Sist at February 04, 2013 01:20 AM (v3Wj/)

167 "Because if an armed Navy SEAL sharpshooter and a whole shooting range full of
armed people in the process of shooting can't stop a gun murder ... or
shoot the perpetrator ...
Posted by: John at February 03, 2013 06:41 PM (KOp/H)"

It was a private range, and those three men were the only ones there. The two victims probably trusted their little buddy not to shoot them.

Asshole.

Posted by: stace at February 04, 2013 01:37 AM (m+UHL)

168 BTW, when i say a "soft" brush, I mean soft enough that it does not scratch the anodized paint job on any of the moving parts. If your bolt was gray when you bought it, but it's shiny now? Warranty expired.

Posted by: Ray Sist at February 04, 2013 01:44 AM (v3Wj/)

169 Farewell, Chris Kyle. I wish you'd written a better book. These two were crap.


Posted by: Ray Sist at February 04, 2013 01:59 AM (v3Wj/)

170 I used to have a Walther P99 titanium and it was an excellent CCW gun. I still think the Walther trigger is the best in the world. A little concentration and I could fly with that trigger.

Alas, mine has this weird issue where if you applied any sideways pressure, the slide wouldn't lock back after the last round. I sent it back to Walther and they shipped a brand new one back to me! I ended up putting it on consignment because I had moved the house to .45 in its absence.

Sigh. If Walther made a P99 in .45 I would be a happy man.

Posted by: Darkmage at February 04, 2013 08:16 AM (F45Zi)

171 There's a clear line between a "good" CQC weapon and a "great" one.The Walter's nice, but its ambi-magazine release is an atrocious design. You have to use the middle finger of your shooting hand to make it work. It was nearly impossible to operate from the "knocked down" position. I did not like the safety trigger, either. There's no decocker, no half-cock feature,and no dualthumb safety. Check out the HK P90S. Now that's a beautiful CQC pistol.

Posted by: Manolo at February 04, 2013 09:03 AM (kl3xJ)

172 169: Check out the book"Shooter" by former Marine sniper Jack Coughlin. He changed the waySTA teamsare used in combat by turning them into offensive weapons as part of amobile force. Very well written, too.

Posted by: Manolo at February 04, 2013 09:11 AM (kl3xJ)

173 I really like the Walther PPQ...almost bought one in lieu of my XDm ...mostly on the strength of the great trigger and short reset.

Posted by: jimf42 at February 04, 2013 12:43 PM (A23Tv)






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Frequently Asked Questions
The (Almost) Complete Paul Anka Integrity Kick
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The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon
A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates
Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny
More Margaret Cho Abuse
Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny
Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
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