Guns & Hunting Thread Extra (2/2/2013)

Support Those Who Support You

I was going to compile a list of anti-second amendment organizations, but the NRA has a good one. It's longer than one of Ace's movie reviews but well worth a scan as you decide how to spend your scarce dollars in the Obamaconomy.

And speaking of movie reviews, I'd suggest that someone starring in a feature called "Bullet to the Head" should STFU about gun control.


If the Hollywood types want certain guns banned, they should set an example and stop depicting them in movies. I won't be holding my breath.


No, Dummies, It's Heckler & Koch

We've had several posts on the pernicious media lie about the father of a Newtown shooting victim supposedly being heckled at a hearing. Erik Wemple at the Washington Post committed a surprising act of journalism concerning this brouhaha by watching the whole video and documenting how reserved and polite the second amendment supporters in the audience were despite all the anti-gun statements being made during the hearing.

After each of those calls for gun control, Heslin got the full attention of his audience. No interruptions, no heckling, no nothing. It’s only after he twice calls on the audience to rebut his opinions about assault rifles that he draws some audience participation. Had multiple news outlets not mischaracterized the session as a hecklefest, it might well have stood as a model of civil and patient discussion of a pressing public matter.

It's worth a read, and kudos to Wemple for swimming against the tide of propaganda being pushed by his profession.


Speaking of Media Lies ...

Steve Capus resigned as head of NBC News. I don't know if he "resigned" or "was resigned" but I don't particularly care. He's been at the helm of NBC's rather creative video editing that strangely run in the direction of overtly supporting the left and, particularly, Obama.

Need to brand the Tea Party as violent racists? How better to do it than to show a lawful gun owner carrying a rifle at a rally and cutting the video so the viewer can't tell he's black?

Want to help Obama fan the flames about his imaginary dead son? Cut a 9-1-1 tape to make it sound like George Zimmerman just volunteered that the kid was black instead of replying to the 9-1-1 operator's question.

And even though they were caught, they duplicated this last trick with the "heckling" video.

Now, Capus wasn't literally sitting in the video edit bay as all this happened ... as far as I know ... but he set the direction of the organization. Unfortunately, this direction is unlikely to change with his replacement. I imagine NBC is just moving to hire a better liar.

I'll be back with the regular G&H thread tomorrow, but I wanted to get some of the lefty politics and media (BIRM) stuff out of the way today. Turkey season approaches, and the politics has been edging out the important things we need to discuss.


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Comments

1 You should have been preparing for this anti gun shit after 9/11, you missed the sweet spot if your in the market political swamp now...just saying

Posted by: Clemenza at February 02, 2013 10:41 AM (x59Gv)

2 Why Heckle Ed Koch? He's dead. RIP

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 02, 2013 10:41 AM (XkWWK)

3 I am surprised at Stalone. but then again he is just a little pile...

Posted by: Clemenza at February 02, 2013 10:41 AM (x59Gv)

4 Continuation from previous thread. But in honor of the NRA I'm picking up a new AR10 that I ordered today. (insert grin)

Posted by: Andrew at February 02, 2013 10:42 AM (HS3dy)

5 From the last thread.
What is going on with TFG shooting on the front page of Drudge?
Should I see a plume of gas going to the right like that?

http://preview.tinyurl.com/a7xlzkv

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 02, 2013 10:43 AM (bTPOR)

6 My late father used to be king of malapropos. He often referred to Stallone as Sylvester Stalin. I think old Hersh was prescient.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 02, 2013 10:43 AM (XkWWK)

7 6 malaprops, not malapropos.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 02, 2013 10:43 AM (XkWWK)

8 (AP) Sylvester Stallone says that despite his "Rambo" image new
shoot-em-up film...he's in favor of new national gun control
legislation.






I'd tell him to GF himself.....but I think he just did.

Posted by: Tami at February 02, 2013 10:44 AM (X6akg)

9 From the last thread, but it seems to go better here in assaulty-thing land...

So on Drudge, TFG shooting a gun.

I'm not sure which is uglier, his golf swing or his shooting posture. Most atheletickest presnit evah!

Posted by: jakeman at February 02, 2013 10:44 AM (96M6e)

10 Re: the Drudge pic, looks like gas port on the barrel.

TFG's grip looks goofy.

Posted by: EC at February 02, 2013 10:45 AM (doBIb)

11 4 Who's the manufacturer? How long is the barrel? Congratulations!!!

Posted by: DAve at February 02, 2013 10:47 AM (XDC0v)

12 Heckler & Koch.

Koch brothers.


It all makes sense now!

Posted by: RWC at February 02, 2013 10:47 AM (sqp6o)

13 Village, yes, that gas ejection is normal. A lot of shotguns especially higher end sporting models have muzzle brakes.

Posted by: Andrew at February 02, 2013 10:47 AM (HS3dy)

14 11 Freedom Munitions will be your best friend when they recover: a HUGE selection of .308 ammo and unbeatable prices

Posted by: DAve at February 02, 2013 10:48 AM (XDC0v)

15 Heckler & Jeckler. Weren't they 2 black crows? Now I denounce myself.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 02, 2013 10:48 AM (XkWWK)

16 Wish someone would heckle my jeckle. Even Bob Beckel.

Posted by: Eleanor's Clit at February 02, 2013 10:48 AM (ypzqs)

17 Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 02, 2013 10:43 AM (bTPOR)


Probably from a compensator.

Posted by: RWC at February 02, 2013 10:49 AM (sqp6o)

18 16 Wish someone would heckle my jeckle. Even Bob Beckel.
Posted by: Eleanor's Clit at February 02, 2013 10:48 AM (ypzqs)


Beckel = schmekel, and a small one at that.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 02, 2013 10:49 AM (XkWWK)

19 I wonder what candidates that Amazon supports think of the Second Amendment.

Posted by: Gerry at February 02, 2013 10:50 AM (inIJ7)

20 I still think that whenever one these idiot Hollywood lefties spouts off about gun control, it should be countered with calls to ban movies that have guns in them. F'ing hypocrites.

Posted by: Marmo at February 02, 2013 10:50 AM (pcgW1)

21 I think Sylvester Steroid is just covering his ass.

Pretty insensitive to release an ultra-violent s film in the wake of Newtown titled "Bullet To The Head", don't you think?.

Posted by: Joe Mama at February 02, 2013 10:50 AM (P4cxa)

22 "Village, yes, that gas ejection is normal. A lot of shotguns especially higher end sporting models have muzzle brakes."

Just seemed odd to see a single jet of gas, shooting to the right.

Now, someone needs to P-shot a bike helmet onto his head.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at February 02, 2013 10:51 AM (bTPOR)

23
So what is the best gun to shoot a groundhog? The really big fat kind.

Posted by: Guy Mowhawk at February 02, 2013 10:51 AM (p/cQy)

24
@11, Armilite, 16" barrel



Posted by: Andrew at February 02, 2013 10:51 AM (HS3dy)

25 Maybe Capus can get a job at the Onion.
It wouldn't be much of a switch.

Posted by: NeoKong at February 02, 2013 10:52 AM (JWLwG)

26 Repost: So Rambo is a pacifist. That's funny.

Posted by: sTevo at February 02, 2013 10:52 AM (VMcEw)

27 I had some problems with my Millett scope on my AR the last time I took it out. The top turret spun without changing point of aim. I was packing it for repair and noticed a nearly microscopic loose screw. Tightened it up and saved a bunch of money.

I'll need to sight it in again, but that's a pleasure. I built the AR heavy with a 24" stainless 1x8 twist bull barrel for heavier bullets...sub MOA. It can hit a paper plate at 800 yards if I do my part. Trainer is ready for LIB.

Posted by: Comrade Trainer on his Iphone at February 02, 2013 10:52 AM (L8M3D)

28 NBC News: Like Minitruth without the good will.

Posted by: JDTAY at February 02, 2013 10:52 AM (a0nis)

29 Now, someone needs to P-shot a bike helmet onto his head.

Backwards, of course.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at February 02, 2013 10:53 AM (hO8IJ)

30 Re: AR10

A Real Stoner.

Posted by: sTevo at February 02, 2013 10:53 AM (VMcEw)

31 @23, a AR10

Posted by: Andrew at February 02, 2013 10:53 AM (HS3dy)

32 >My late father used to be king of malapropos.

I had a good friend that did this... my favorite was 'magazine prescriptions'...

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 02, 2013 10:54 AM (8sCoq)

33 23
So what is the best gun to shoot a groundhog? The really big fat kind.
Posted by: Guy Mowhawk at February 02, 2013 10:51 AM (p/cQy)


40mm Glock 7

Posted by: RWC at February 02, 2013 10:56 AM (sqp6o)

34 >So what is the best gun to shoot a groundhog? The really big fat kind.


might be kinda hard to find, but I'd go with a track-mounted 20mm Vulcan

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 02, 2013 10:57 AM (8sCoq)

35 I just read this below that photo of TFG pretending to shoot clays over at RWS:

"This official White House photograph is being made available only for
publication by news organizations and/or for personal use printing by
the subject(s) of the photograph. The photograph may not be manipulated
in any way and may not be used in commercial or political materials,
advertisements, emails, products, promotions that in any way suggests
approval or endorsement of the President, the First Family, or the White
House."

Wonder if they have and statute to back that up, or just an EO?

Posted by: Joe Mama at February 02, 2013 10:57 AM (P4cxa)

36 Yeah TFG is compensating for a lot of issues.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 02, 2013 10:57 AM (EVyWz)

37 So are your groundhogs the size of womp-rats? Then call Luke Skywalker, he'll hit that.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 02, 2013 10:58 AM (EVyWz)

38 Interesting the pic of TFG shooting is on his birthday.....hmmm.

Posted by: Tami at February 02, 2013 10:58 AM (X6akg)

39 @23. Harvested many a fat digging bastard with a .22 using hollow points. Whistle and they'll stand up. Even easier targets when trapped in a Hav-A-Heart. Melon rinds work well as bait - but don't just place them in the trap. Gotta hang the rinds up with wire. Sounds crazy but it works.

Posted by: Eleanor's Clit at February 02, 2013 10:58 AM (ypzqs)

40 ...and none of the BAN ALL THE GUNS! crowd is going to say shit about that photo, because they love Ear Leader slightly more than they hate us.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at February 02, 2013 10:59 AM (hO8IJ)

41 >>>might be kinda hard to find, but I'd go with a track-mounted 20mm Vulcan

Or a Predator Drone, and never leave yer sofa.


Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 02, 2013 11:00 AM (4Mv1T)

42 Just bought me 3 new bolt guns. I got them at Dicks sporting goods for stupid low prices. They had something messed up in their price book or something. After theyfigured it out they tried to not sell them to me, but I told them "hey you already charged my credit card when they were ordered, after that AR-15 fiasco at Christmas you guys look bad. They finally called me last night and said your guns are in. I cant afford to scope them right now, but couldn't pass them up at those prices.

Reminton 700.308 tactical 20" heavy barrel $399.00
Remington SPS 700 in 7mm mag $ 329.00
Remington 700 SPS .30-06 $ 249.00

Posted by: The Jackhole on Ventura Highway at February 02, 2013 11:00 AM (/7Xis)

43 Anybody want to go rob Piers Morgan's house? I'm pretty sure it'll be easy.

Posted by: zsasz at February 02, 2013 11:00 AM (MMC8r)

44 Barack Obama starring as Chuck Connnors in, The Rifleman.


btw. that is one expressive wrists stance by TFG

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 02, 2013 11:00 AM (BAS5M)

45 ...he's in favor of new national gun control legislation.
---
I am in favor of putting the loonies back in the bin.

Posted by: sTevo at February 02, 2013 11:01 AM (VMcEw)

46 "The photograph may not be manipulated in any way and may not be used in
commercial or political materials, advertisements, emails, products,
promotions that in any way suggests approval or endorsement of the
President, the First Family, or the White House."

Time for a little civil disobedience

Posted by: Rule #2 at February 02, 2013 11:02 AM (CypDC)

47 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: Allen Goodner (Dedicated Tenther) At Home at February 02, 2013 11:02 AM (nUH8H)

48 Jack hole,

How in holy hell did you get guns at Dicks? I thought they stopped selling them?

Posted by: EC at February 02, 2013 11:03 AM (doBIb)

49
I'll have to check to see if the Vulcan is permissible in Punxsutawney.

*Starts search through 20,000 plus gun control laws.*

Posted by: Guy Mowhawk at February 02, 2013 11:03 AM (p/cQy)

50 Ummm, calling bullshit on the pic.

Says it was taken and August. Yet it is the most recent photo uploaded to the photostream. Hell, the one preceding it is of Giffords the other day.

TFG administration, can't trust a fucking thing they do.

Posted by: RWC at February 02, 2013 11:03 AM (sqp6o)

51
I'd love to see some more panorama in that shot. Something is not right here. Looks as if he was photographed standing in an open area firing a shotgun, unrelated to any skeet or trap station.

This of course may be my bias against him coloring perception, but.....

Posted by: irongrampa at February 02, 2013 11:03 AM (SAMxH)

52
T - 21 Days and counting until I go for my CHL class.

I'm only here for a few minutes (got a kid to take to a soccer game), but if OSP is here- I just bought Amy Lynn for my kindle. I'll rate it as soon as I'm done.

Posted by: AllenG(Dedicated Tenther) At Home at February 02, 2013 11:04 AM (nUH8H)

53 Harvested many a fat digging bastard with a .22 using hollow points.
Whistle and they'll stand up. Even easier targets when trapped in a
Hav-A-Heart. Melon rinds work well as bait - but don't just place them
in the trap. Gotta hang the rinds up with wire. Sounds crazy but it
works.


22 mag with Winchester Supreme ammo. Makes varmints go bye-bye.

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at February 02, 2013 11:04 AM (L7hol)

54 The photograph may not be manipulated in any way

Images produced by US government entities are public domain. After all, we paid for it.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at February 02, 2013 11:04 AM (hO8IJ)

55 TFG is such a thin skinned child. A little bit of criticism and he has to run right out for a photo op.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at February 02, 2013 11:04 AM (DfVkL)

56 Posted by: AllenG(Dedicated Tenther) At Home at February 02, 2013 11:04 AM (nUH8H)


Thanks AG, enjoy, It would be nice to have a shout out on your blog, if you had one.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 02, 2013 11:04 AM (l86i3)

57 48 Jack hole,

How in holy hell did you get guns at Dicks? I thought they stopped selling them?
Posted by: EC at February 02, 2013 11:03 AM (doBIb)

Just the EBRs.

Posted by: RWC at February 02, 2013 11:05 AM (sqp6o)

58 23
So what is the best gun to shoot a groundhog? The really big fat kind.
Posted by: Guy Mowhawk at February 02, 2013 10:51 AM (p/cQy)


If that's a serious question, a .223 works wonders on Prairie Dogs.
Believe it or not, a .22 LR doesn't work, because they will literally dodge the slower bullet.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 02, 2013 11:06 AM (Qxe/p)

59 Hell, the one preceding it is of Giffords the other day.


Her social media staffer(s) aren't that bright.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/gabriellegiffords/5081877313/



Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at February 02, 2013 11:07 AM (hO8IJ)

60 Just the EBRs.



Really? I should have guessed. Still no reason to go shopping there. Fuck them in the......dicks!

Posted by: EC at February 02, 2013 11:07 AM (doBIb)

61 I don't know if this story has already been linked on the morning thread, but seems appropriate to this thread. Girls high school basketball coach with concealed carry permit shoots two armedattackers in school parking lot in Detroit.

http://tinyurl.com/b2udrl3

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 02, 2013 11:08 AM (/hphm)

62 48 Jack hole, How in holy hell did you get guns at Dicks? I thought they stopped selling them? Posted by: EC at February 02, 2013 11:03 AM (doBIb) Just the EBRs.
Posted by: RWC at February 02, 2013 11:05 AM (sqp6o)
Yep just the AR types.
I would not buy shit from them, but at those prices they got taken for a ride.My BIL bout 5 different rifles.



Posted by: The Jackhole on Ventura Highway at February 02, 2013 11:09 AM (/7Xis)

63 44 Barack Obama starring as Chuck Connnors in, The Rifleman.


btw. that is one expressive wrists stance by TFG
Posted by: Count de Monet at February 02, 2013 11:00 AM (BAS5M)


Will SCOAMF emulate Chuck Connors and let Don Rickles do him in the ass? Then again, there is Reggie Love...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 02, 2013 11:09 AM (XkWWK)

64 50
Ummm, calling bullshit on the pic.

Well, if this were the alternate universe where CSI shit were real, I would just order the hipster-ish general-purpose tech to "enhance the video, and zoom in on the watch." We could then very clearly read the date and time off JEFs Hello Kitty calendar watch.

Posted by: Rule #2 at February 02, 2013 11:10 AM (CypDC)

65 I got a backup to the backup revolver in the mail this week. One of the used Latin American Taurus model 82's that Century Arms imported. About $200 all up, tax and shipping. I'm hoping to get to the range this week and fire it.

Posted by: toby928© presents at February 02, 2013 11:10 AM (QupBk)

66 Al Green's ex almost killed him with a pot of boiling grits. Ban grits.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 02, 2013 11:10 AM (XkWWK)

67 Really? I should have guessed. Still no reason to go shopping there. Fuck them in the......dicks!

Posted by: EC at February 02, 2013 11:07 AM (doBIb)

Yep. Was talking with our chef yesterday about ammo availability. He said that the Dicks by him is getting shipments regularly. I started to say Fuck Dicks.. and he completed the sentence for me.

Posted by: RWC at February 02, 2013 11:12 AM (sqp6o)

68 And my commie springfield has made it to within 200 miles of me, per UPS. I guess I'll get it on Tuesday next.

Posted by: toby928© presents at February 02, 2013 11:12 AM (QupBk)

69
So what is the best gun to shoot a groundhog? The really big fat kind.
Posted by: Guy Mowhawk at February 02, 2013 10:51 AM (p/cQy)



Are they like gophers? 'Cause I'm thinking C-4.

Posted by: Carl Spackler at February 02, 2013 11:12 AM (MMC8r)

70 So I perused (man I feel smart) the NRA list of official gun haters and 2 names stuck out:


Hallmark (greeting cards) and Southland Corp (7-11)

just keep this in mind next time you stop for coffee or need a birthday card

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 02, 2013 11:12 AM (8sCoq)

71 Yea somethings up with TFG shooting skeet. i'm not a shotgun guy but can't recall that much smoke from anything other than a simulator not too mention the side puff. don't believe I've ever seen a choke or muzzle break do that to just one side. wouldn't make sense. Only thing even close is from on older Ak with the spoon muzzle break that helps with muzzle control.

Posted by: Talibill at February 02, 2013 11:13 AM (qk/nQ)

72 Anyone else notice how former Rep Giffords stated in her testimony that" Too many children have died." ?

While I fully respect the fact that she took a bullet and is forever changed. When 3000 unborn children are dispatched daily, her reasoning falls completely and utterly flat, if for no other reason than that statement, "for the children.".

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 02, 2013 11:13 AM (4Mv1T)

73 Of course if you have a whole nest of groundhogs. There is only one option - nuke them from orbit.

Speaking of space, there is a CME heading Earthward. Should arrive in one to three days. NASA predicts it will be a mild CME with minor impact. But this forecast is based on models.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 02, 2013 11:13 AM (EVyWz)

74 What event in the Special Olympics is this picture of?

Posted by: zsasz at February 02, 2013 11:13 AM (MMC8r)

75 It's possible that many of these companies may not believe their anti gun stance. I think this administration has big business scared shitless cause the marxist do not mind using the power of the Government to fuck corps. over. IRS, etc.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 02, 2013 11:14 AM (l86i3)

76 Holy hell. Couldn't the NRA just list the "celebrities" were are not in favor of gun control. The hypocrisy is overwhelming. I believe in gun control. For you. Pleb.

Posted by: Maj O at February 02, 2013 11:14 AM (TwbSE)

77 Gun stolen 32 years ago found on Des Moines teens

http://t.co/y9X1vgh5

It's almost like criminals don't obey the laws or something.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at February 02, 2013 11:14 AM (hO8IJ)

78 just keep this in mind next time you stop for coffee or need a birthday card



Morons do not buy birthday cards.

Posted by: EC at February 02, 2013 11:15 AM (doBIb)

79 Fishing today, range tomorrow...I'm out

Posted by: The Jackhole on Ventura Highway at February 02, 2013 11:15 AM (/7Xis)

80 Regarding the manly photo of Obama shooting his assault shotgun:
One of The Drudge Report links steers you to Breitbart.
There is a double-dog-dare for Ace and Iowahawk.

http://tinyurl.com/ah8ne4v

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 02, 2013 11:15 AM (Qxe/p)

81 Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at February 02, 2013 11:07 AM (hO8IJ)

She is just being used now like Cindy Sheehan.

Posted by: RWC at February 02, 2013 11:16 AM (sqp6o)

82 http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/wh-releases-photo-obama-shooting-gun_699234.html

quick! Barry! Get your gun let's make some photos!

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at February 02, 2013 11:16 AM (FsUAO)

83 They cut out the part of the picture of OBL getting sniped by Obama.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at February 02, 2013 11:16 AM (FsUAO)

84 @ 19 I wonder what candidates that Amazon supports think of the Second Amendment.

Well, Amazon did just sponsor/ donate the gift cards used at the recent Seattle gun buy back. Just saying.

Posted by: LindaFell at February 02, 2013 11:17 AM (PGO8C)

85 Gabby Giffords is being used to replace a poor guy named Jim Brady. Use a mentally impaired person as a human shield to push a gun grabbing agenda.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 02, 2013 11:17 AM (EVyWz)

86 >Anyone else notice how former Rep Giffords stated in her testimony that" Too many children have died." ?


I'm kind of picky on language, but the phrase 'too many' implies that there is an acceptable amount

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 02, 2013 11:17 AM (8sCoq)

87 "Interesting the pic of TFG shooting is on his birthday.....hmmm"

Ha Ha. The picture makes me laugh. A real leader fires his gun without shirt, while a young beauty stands beside him, holding his ... shells.

Posted by: Pootie - Czar Of All The Rooskies at February 02, 2013 11:17 AM (HjPtV)

88 If Obama's skeet shooting, shouldn't the barrel be pointed up, you know, where the targets are flying?

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 02, 2013 11:18 AM (8sCoq)

89 So what is that side jet in the SCoaMF photo? Muzzle brake?

Posted by: toby928© presents at February 02, 2013 11:18 AM (QupBk)

90 Jones in CO.

Remember if one life is saved it is worth it. The question to ask back is, then why didn't you do these things before Sandy Hook?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 02, 2013 11:18 AM (EVyWz)

91 I'm kind of picky on language, but the phrase 'too many' implies that there is an acceptable amount
Posted by: Jones in CO at February 02, 2013 11:17 AM (8sCoq)


She's a half a chicken strip short of being a dinner salad, give her a break.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 02, 2013 11:19 AM (l86i3)

92 Man, the SCoaMF has twigs for arms.

Posted by: toby928© presents at February 02, 2013 11:19 AM (QupBk)

93 Going to an actor orsinger or a proathlete for advice on law, industry or the environment makes as much sense as:

Going to a nun for sex tips

Going to a brain surgeon for plumbing issues

Goingto a stock broker for marriage counseling

Going to a cop for gardenin tips

Going to Oprah for effective weight loss measures

Barack Obama for Constitutional analysis

Bill Ayers for Patriotism

And on and on.....

Posted by: sven10077 at February 02, 2013 11:19 AM (ni/1P)

94 Heh, heh, heh.

White House Warns: Don't Photoshop Obama Gun Pic

http://tinyurl.com/ah8ne4v

Um.... Are you listening, Iowahawk and Ace of Spades?

Posted by: rickl at February 02, 2013 11:19 AM (sdi6R)

95 I think the photo is real, but staged- as in, "Mr President, we need a photo of you firing a gun, for campaign use"

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 02, 2013 11:19 AM (8sCoq)

96 I just put in a bid on a SVT -40 , I figured I might as well order a battle rifle to that shoots these crates of ammo I had lying around for the mosins. I didn't do it for shooting sports. I did it just to watch liberals go insane.

Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at February 02, 2013 11:20 AM (BocZu)

97 Barack Obama as Richard Boone starring as Paladin in, Have Gun, Will Travel.

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 02, 2013 11:21 AM (BAS5M)

98 Barack Obama as Richard Boone starring as Paladin in, Have Gun, Will Travel.
Posted by: Count de Monet at February 02, 2013 11:21 AM (BAS5M)


I'm thinkin Barack Obama as Shane.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 02, 2013 11:21 AM (l86i3)

99 White House Warns: Don't Photoshop Obama Gun Pic

I aim to misbehave!

Posted by: EC at February 02, 2013 11:22 AM (doBIb)

100 The NRA forgot to include one more group, that contributes millions to Democrats, as long as they'll pose with a Binelli over-under while promising to protect "the rights of sportsmen"' during their campaign, and vote that way as long as their side doesn't need their vote (dropping all pretense when they do):

The NRA.

I remember hearing of a group less "bipartisan" than the NRA, but I can't remember the name. Can anyone remind me? Maybe I'll join it.

Posted by: Pastafarian at February 02, 2013 11:22 AM (KC3A2)

101 >White House Warns: Don't Photoshop Obama Gun Pic


I own that photo. It was produced with my tax dollars, and the guy with the gun is my employee. I also own the property where the depicted activity took place.

Posted by: The taxpayer at February 02, 2013 11:22 AM (8sCoq)

102 In a further display of my glaring ignorance, can someone tell me why no one has yet to win the .223 versus 5.56 NATO ammo contest? I mean, the VHS / Beta war was settled PDQ, and 30 years ago.

Why has there not been a standard one way or the other with this ammo?

My rifle is chambered for both, but why two different cartridges that are nearly the same, but nearly not same enough to shoot 5.56 from a rifle chambered only for .223. (Mine is Wylde chambered and shoots either)

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 02, 2013 11:23 AM (4Mv1T)

103 That gun pic was shot in a studio, directed by James Cameron.

Posted by: zsasz at February 02, 2013 11:23 AM (MMC8r)

104 We could always photoshop Steve Urkle pics. No one would know the difference.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 02, 2013 11:24 AM (l86i3)

105 August 4 th must have been a busy day for TFG. Fitting in skeet shooting along with this-



The Sherwood Island State Park in Westport, Connecticut will have to turn away thousands of bathers so that Obama can get to and from his events, including a $35,800 per head bash at the 9,000-square-foot, $8.3-million waterfront estate of movie mogul Harvey Weinstein, according to The Connecticut Post.

Posted by: RWC at February 02, 2013 11:24 AM (sqp6o)

106 Am waiting for the Putin photo with crossbow or superior scary military-type rifle, actually shooting game.

I actually think Queen Elizabeth's shotting photo is much more impressive.

Posted by: Miss Marple at February 02, 2013 11:25 AM (GoIUi)

107 Morons do not buy birthday cards.

And your wives still have sex with you?

This contradicts everything I was taught.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at February 02, 2013 11:25 AM (hO8IJ)

108 >That gun pic was shot in a studio, directed by James Cameron.

Posted by: zsasz at February 02, 2013 11:23 AM (MMC8r)



you can totally see the strings- and look how the smoke blows- smoke can't go two different ways-- GOOGLE IT PEOPLE

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 02, 2013 11:25 AM (8sCoq)

109 I actually think Queen Elizabeth's shotting photo is much more impressive.
Posted by: Miss Marple at February 02, 2013 11:25 AM (GoIUi)


QE outshooting barky. It's real.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 02, 2013 11:26 AM (l86i3)

110 Just think of the photos that were rejected in favor of that one being the one the WH released.

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 02, 2013 11:26 AM (BAS5M)

111 This contradicts everything I was taught.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at February 02, 2013 11:25 AM (hO8IJ)

I buy cards for the wife and kids. I have my kids make cards for everyone else. The Grandparents especially like them.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 02, 2013 11:27 AM (l86i3)

112 Somebody PS that picture onto the grassy knoll. Quick.

Posted by: zsasz at February 02, 2013 11:27 AM (MMC8r)

113 TheSherwood Island State Park in Westport,
Connecticut will have to turn away thousands of bathers so that Obama
can get to and from his events, including a $35,800 per head bash at the
9,000-square-foot, $8.3-millionwaterfront estate of movie mogul Harvey
Weinstein, according to The Connecticut Post.



Posted by: RWC at February 02, 2013 11:24 AM (sqp6o)


That was on Monday, August 6th. I checked his Aug. 4th schedule and it does say he was at Camp David Aug. 4 - 5.

Posted by: Tami at February 02, 2013 11:30 AM (X6akg)

114 "I buy cards for the wife and kids. I have my kids make cards for everyone else. The Grandparents especially like them."

I buy cards myself, but my wife wife loves cards made by the kids, even if it is made on the computer.

Either way, she ain't given up the booty for something as cheap as a Hallmark card. It requires something MUCH more difficult, like behaving civil, and being nice, and shit.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 02, 2013 11:30 AM (4Mv1T)

115 Posted by: Pastafarian at February 02, 2013 11:22 AM (KC3A2

GOA, JPFO, SAF?

Gun Owners of America

Jews for the preservation of firearm ownership

Second amendment foundation.

Posted by: RWC at February 02, 2013 11:30 AM (sqp6o)

116 And your wives still have sex with you?


Huh? What?

Posted by: EC at February 02, 2013 11:30 AM (doBIb)

117 Obama looks as though he should be wearing a tri-corner hat.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at February 02, 2013 11:30 AM (l3vZN)

118 Jackhole hit the jackpot. And fucked Dick's in the process. Nice work, my friend.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 02, 2013 11:31 AM (celt+)

119 My suggestion for photoshopping TFG is one of the old-school Bugs Bunny flags that says "BANG!"

Posted by: jakeman at February 02, 2013 11:31 AM (96M6e)

120 President Obama endorses firearms that fire 600 projectiles with a single pull of the trigger!

Posted by: clarion at February 02, 2013 11:31 AM (twwlf)

121 I seem to remember reading somewhere that modern .30-06 ammo is not suitable for Garands. Can anybody explain?

This is merely hypothetical, and assumes I have a Garand. Which I don't of course, not since that tragic incident on the lake.

Posted by: rickl at February 02, 2013 11:31 AM (sdi6R)

122 How many years would we spend in prison for using a SCOAMF ChiaHead as a clay target?

...I'll spring for the head if one of you Morons will do this and put it on YouTube.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at February 02, 2013 11:31 AM (hO8IJ)

123 That was on Monday, August 6th. I checked his Aug. 4th schedule and it does say he was at Camp David Aug. 4 - 5.

Posted by: Tami at February 02, 2013 11:30 AM (X6akg)


Soooooo. They got to you too?!?

:-)

Posted by: RWC at February 02, 2013 11:32 AM (sqp6o)

124 Another bullshit name on that NRA list was Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein, who has probably put as much blood and guns and gore on the big screen as any other in the film biz

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 02, 2013 11:33 AM (8sCoq)

125 Ban grits.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 02, 2013 11:10 AM (XkWWK)

Now that's just crazy talk.

Posted by: BignJames at February 02, 2013 11:34 AM (HtUkt)

126
Soooooo. They got to you too?!?



:-)

Posted by: RWC at February 02, 2013 11:32 AM (sqp6o)


I do have a strange new incision on my neck.....

Posted by: Tami at February 02, 2013 11:34 AM (X6akg)

127 I've never shot a poor defenseless skeet before, but shouldn't there be a spent shell being ejected somewhere?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 02, 2013 11:34 AM (+z4pE)

128 Caption contest:

"Be vewy, vewy quiet. I'm hunting skeet."

Posted by: rickl at February 02, 2013 11:36 AM (sdi6R)

129 Look at the picture.There is no recoil?

Where is the stress on his shoulder from the kickback?


How fucking sad is it that we can't trust a thing coming from this jackwagon.

Posted by: Vae Victus at February 02, 2013 11:36 AM (cpMdE)

130 >That was on Monday, August 6th. I checked his Aug. 4th schedule and it does say he was at Camp David Aug. 4 - 5.


Like I say- the photo is real but staged


Which do you think is more likely: that TFG said 'let's go up to Camp David this weekend and sling some lead', or that a re-election campaign aide said 'Mr President, it would be helpful if we had a few photos of you handling firearms, in case the issue comes up during the campaign'

?

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 02, 2013 11:36 AM (8sCoq)

131
I've never shot a poor defenseless skeet before, but shouldn't there be a spent shell being ejected somewhere?


Looks like a break-barrel shottie.

Posted by: EC at February 02, 2013 11:37 AM (doBIb)

132 @121


Modern ammo in a Garand? Milspec is fine, any load that has increased pressure may eventually beat up the op rod or may give extractor problems, so I've been told.

Not sure about anything else.

Posted by: irongrampa at February 02, 2013 11:37 AM (SAMxH)

133 His feet are pointed wrong. If he had a single piece of skeet instruction shooting skeet they would have fixed that in the first 5 minutes. In skeet your feet point to where you intend to break the bird.

Posted by: clarion at February 02, 2013 11:37 AM (twwlf)

134 Like I say- the photo is real but staged


Which
do you think is more likely: that TFG said 'let's go up to Camp David
this weekend and sling some lead', or that a re-election campaign aide
said 'Mr President, it would be helpful if we had a few photos of you
handling firearms, in case the issue comes up during the campaign'

?




Posted by: Jones in CO at February 02, 2013 11:36 AM (8sCoq)

I completely agree that it's staged.....they were just careful to go back to his schedule and see when he was actually at Camp David to date the photo.

Posted by: Tami at February 02, 2013 11:37 AM (X6akg)

135 Pastafarian, the NRA is a gun rights organization. It is not a conservative organization. If a pol scores well on their report card, they endorse him. To quote Nathan Arizona, that's their whole goddamn raison-dete.

Plenty of fine conservative political PACs you can support IN ADDITION to the NRA.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 02, 2013 11:38 AM (celt+)

136 I completely agree that it's staged.....they were just careful to go
back to his schedule and see when he was actually at Camp David to date
the photo.


Easy to verify.


Let's see the photo's EXIF data.

Posted by: EC at February 02, 2013 11:40 AM (doBIb)

137 Regarding the Chia TFG target, have ya'll not heard of Rocky the Zombie?

http://tinyurl.com/am7hfv5

Posted by: RWC at February 02, 2013 11:41 AM (sqp6o)

138 Got totally excited when I saw two Ruger Gunsite Scout rifles at the toy store. Then I noticed they were left-hand models. Argh!

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 02, 2013 11:42 AM (celt+)

139 I'm seriously debating between staying with my .38 open tops or getting a Chiapa Rhino in .357 magnum. I adore the Henry but it only comes in .45 long colt and .44. The 1866 only comes in .38 special, .44 and .45. The 1873 and 1892 come in .357 magnum, .44 and .45 or I may want to get a .45-70. The thing is the SCOAMF's abtics mean it makes more sense to stick with modern weaponry since gigles an't bear to admit that the problem's the trigger finger and not the triger.

Close captioning is provided by Ms. 10077.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 02, 2013 11:42 AM (ni/1P)

140 Posted by: sven10077 at February 02, 2013 11:42 AM (ni/1P)

I've got a Henry "Golden Boy" in .45 long colt.......never fired it.

Posted by: BignJames at February 02, 2013 11:47 AM (HtUkt)

141 I'm very tempted to put an order in for the new Miroku-built 1873 Winchester. But I have no justification for dropping $1200 on another levergun when my Marlin 1894CL in .32-20 is currently getting massaged.

So many toys, so little cash.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 02, 2013 11:48 AM (celt+)

142 We are gun newbies. A neighbor just loaned my husband a Springfield to try out at the range. Comments?

Posted by: Helen at February 02, 2013 11:48 AM (93bH6)

143 We are gun newbies. A neighbor just loaned my husband a Springfield to try out at the range. Comments?

Springfield makes all models of guns. What type is it?

Posted by: EC at February 02, 2013 11:50 AM (doBIb)

144 I'm kind of picky on language, but the phrase 'too many' implies that there is an acceptable amount

Sure there is. Ten per magazine.

Posted by: Steve Skubinna at February 02, 2013 11:51 AM (+13VZ)

145 140 BignJames,

The modern Golden Boy looks interesting but I was referringto the 1860 replicas.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 02, 2013 11:51 AM (ni/1P)

146 "We are gun newbies. A neighbor just loaned my husband a Springfield to try out at the range. Comments?"

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Springfield as in Model 1903 bolt action? Beautiful rifle. $600 to $1200 in original condition. Don't drop it.

Of course, "don't drop it" is good advice with any firearm. Or borrowed object.

Have fun!

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 02, 2013 11:51 AM (celt+)

147 Ha. Watched The Americans again (missed the ending last time.). Love that he went back and beat the shit out of the man hitting on his daughter.

Posted by: RWC at February 02, 2013 11:52 AM (sqp6o)

148 Plenty of fine conservative political PACs you can support IN ADDITION to the NRA.


Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 02, 2013 11:38 AM
---------------------
Exactly. We win votes by peeling away Democrats from the party line. The NRAs influence over pro-gun Dems it has donated to combines with that of the legilator's constituents to help keep them on the right side of the issue. I like that they're single-issue.

Posted by: Lurking Flanuer at February 02, 2013 11:52 AM (bzw/I)

149 "Ha. Watched The Americans again (missed the ending last time.). Love
that he went back and beat the shit out of the man hitting on his
daughter."

------------------

Did he then threaten him with a notable firearm of some sort?

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 02, 2013 11:53 AM (celt+)

150 142 We are gun newbies. A neighbor just loaned my husband a Springfield to try out at the range. Comments?

Posted by: Helen at February 02, 2013 11:48 AM (93bH6)


Nostradamus RWC predicts XD.

Posted by: RWC at February 02, 2013 11:53 AM (sqp6o)

151 RWC had it at 115: gun Owners of America.

It's a tough call, Taro. The NRA endorsed Harry Reid and Ted Strickland, so I'm tempted to look for alternatives, with higher standards. Still, if they never endorsed a Democrat, they'd have no leverage with them. But I don't think that leverage is real: when Obama tells these NRA-endorsed Democrats to shit, they'll squat.

It was that Strickland over Kasich thing that really did it for me. The governor is pretty important in preventing rampant election fraud, needed to keep Democrats from stealing Presidential elections, and the Presidency is pretty important if we're not going to give the left an anti-gun majority on the SCOTUS, which would be catastrophic and would last for decades.

Posted by: Pastafarian at February 02, 2013 11:54 AM (KC3A2)

152 Nostradamus RWC predicts XD.


Swammi EC predicts Springfield M1911.

Posted by: EC at February 02, 2013 11:55 AM (doBIb)

153 The SCOAMF photo posted on Flickr is even marked as being "US Government Work." Geez.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at February 02, 2013 11:55 AM (hO8IJ)

154 Sorry. Springfield 1911

Posted by: Helen at February 02, 2013 11:55 AM (93bH6)

155 Did he then threaten him with a notable firearm of some sort?
Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 02, 2013 11:53 AM (celt+)

Eeeeek. Just rewound it 'cause wasn't paying attention. No firearm but a grill fork in the balls and then the hand. Oich.

Posted by: RWC at February 02, 2013 11:55 AM (sqp6o)

156 D'oh! I'm such a traditionalist, I hear Springfield and automatically think Trapdoors, Krags and ought-threes.

Yep, it's probably an xD. Fine pistol.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 02, 2013 11:56 AM (celt+)

157 Heading to the Savannah gun show as soon as husband gets back from the office. Have no idea what kind of handgun I should get (and husband knows less than I do).

Babes in the woods, we are.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 02, 2013 11:57 AM (UOM48)

158 The modern Golden Boy looks interesting but I was referringto the 1860 replicas.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 02, 2013 11:51 AM (ni/1P)

Have they jumped in price like the other Henrys?....and everything else.

Posted by: BignJames at February 02, 2013 11:58 AM (HtUkt)

159 "Sorry. Springfield 1911"

-------------

Double-D'OH!

Here's the "Taro is an idiot" punchline...

I own one.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 02, 2013 11:58 AM (celt+)

160 Sorry. Springfield 1911


W00T!!! Now, where are those lottery tickets?

Helen, that's a damn fine handgun. Quite a bit of fabulous history behind it too. The 1911 was created back in....1911. It hasn't changed since, which tells you just how perfect that gun is.

Posted by: EC at February 02, 2013 11:59 AM (doBIb)

161 >>>Have no idea what kind of handgun I should get

Go big, and you'll never go back. 45ACP ammo seems fairly easy to get, even now, and reasonably priced.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 02, 2013 12:00 PM (4Mv1T)

162 "Heading to the Savannah gun show as soon as husband gets back from the
office. Have no idea what kind of handgun I should get (and husband
knows less than I do).

"Babes in the woods, we are."

--------------

I seriously wouldn't buy until you've gotten a better handle on it. Especially at a gun show.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 02, 2013 12:01 PM (celt+)

163 “Nothing we’re going to do is going to fundamentally alter or eliminate the possibility of another mass shooting or guarantee that we will bring gun deaths down to a thousand a year from what we’re at now,” Biden told reporters after meeting with Senate Democrats in the Capitol. “But there are things that we can do demonstrably can do that have virtually zero impact on your Second Amendment right to own a weapon for both self defense and recreation that can save some lives.”

As a staffer tried unsuccessfully to cut Biden off repeatedly, the vice president argued to reporters that none of the proposals would infringe on constitutional rights.

Posted by: Judge Dred at February 02, 2013 12:01 PM (e8kgV)

164 The 1911 was created back in....1911. It hasn't changed since, which tells you just how perfect that gun is.

Posted by: EC at February 02, 2013 11:59 AM (doBIb)


It was adopted by the Army in 1911.....created in 1898?.....picky, I know.

Posted by: BignJames at February 02, 2013 12:01 PM (HtUkt)

165 154 - I shoot cheap Wolf steel cased .45 ACP in both my SA 1911 (GI model) and Glock 21 with no problems. Practice with inexpensive ammo that feeds reliably, and then shoot a magazine or two of home defense rounds to ensure they work well (stock 1911s choke on some HP rounds).

Learn proper handling and clearing, internalize the Four Rules so they're second nature, and never get into the habit of taking shortcuts with firearm safety. It's the unloaded guns people shoot themselves with, all the time.

If you're a newbie look into formal instruction. The NRA has courses, including women only classes.

Posted by: Steve Skubinna at February 02, 2013 12:02 PM (+13VZ)

166 Heading to the Savannah gun show as soon as husband gets back from the
office. Have no idea what kind of handgun I should get (and husband
knows less than I do).


Pick up the gun and see how it feels in your hand. Unfortunately, there's no way for you to test fire it before you buy, so I would recommend at least getting comfortable with how it feels first. Then, if the model comes in various calibers, you can settle on one that is controllable by you.

Posted by: EC at February 02, 2013 12:02 PM (doBIb)

167 It was adopted by the Army in 1911.....created in 1898?.....picky, I know.

Oops, you are right. I keep forgetting that bit.

Posted by: EC at February 02, 2013 12:03 PM (doBIb)

168 I second RWC! Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership is an awesomely hardline organization. Plus, their very name is a powerful argument for the 2nd Amendment.

Posted by: S. Weasel at February 02, 2013 12:03 PM (CrEGa)

169 I call for next Sunday to be the Skeet Bowl. Morons represented by thechick that won gold medal vs Skeeter. She will know within seconds that he is a poser and fraud

Posted by: Kim at February 02, 2013 12:03 PM (i7KmQ)

170 Jane D'oh, I'd recommend getting the ammo first, then finding a gun to run it through. It would be a shame for you to buy a Sig 9mm and then find out all the 9mm is sold out, or you can only find ball ammo.

If it's a ccw gun, I'd recommend a S&W revolver in 38+P. If it's a nightstand gun, maybe a Ruger revolver in 44 mag.

Posted by: Pastafarian at February 02, 2013 12:05 PM (KC3A2)

171 Helen, the 1911 in .45 kicks, but it's more of a healthy shove than a snappy kick. It's pretty fun. You know you've got serious power in your hands, but it's tractable. And it has a nice, deep bark.

I find big slugs at slower speeds to be more fun to shoot than higher-velocity, smaller rounds.

Just remember muzzle discipline and to keep your finger off the trigger until you're ready to fire. And enjoy.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 02, 2013 12:05 PM (celt+)

172 Appreciate the advice. We'll just go and look. There are several good dealers here with indoor ranges, in addition to Bass Pro Shop.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 02, 2013 12:06 PM (UOM48)

173 Thanks all. BIL is coming to visit. He has been handling guns all his life, so we will take him to the range and 'pop our cherries' so to speak.

Posted by: Helen at February 02, 2013 12:07 PM (93bH6)

174 "If it's a nightstand gun, maybe a Ruger revolver in 44 mag."

--------------

What the f***?!?!

Did you seriously just recommend a .44 Magnum for home defense? To a new shooter? And a female?

Please, stop. Now.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 02, 2013 12:08 PM (celt+)

175 173 Thanks all. BIL is coming to visit. He has been handling guns all his life, so we will take him to the range and 'pop our cherries' so to speak.

Posted by: Helen at February 02, 2013 12:07 PM (93bH6)

Don't hurt your jaw - new shooter smile :-)

Posted by: RWC at February 02, 2013 12:09 PM (sqp6o)

176 Please, stop. Now.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 02, 2013 12:08 PM (celt+)

Seconded.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 02, 2013 12:10 PM (GsoHv)

177 Jane- Don't know if your ranges do this but I used to go to ranges where you could rent guns and shoot multiple varieties.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 02, 2013 12:11 PM (4Mv1T)

178 158 BignJames,

The reason why the replicas are jumping up in price is because of the glorious stewardship of Helicopter Ben and Timmy Turbotax. You can't engage in printing press economics and not fuck the dollar with regards to proper valuation on the foreign currency exchange. We've lost 70% against the Canadian dollar, and ~20 to 30% against th EUD.

If you really want to be depressed, go to lok at how much they cost 20 years ago. The US and EU are in a depression, Canada is not. Why is that?

Posted by: sven10077 at February 02, 2013 12:11 PM (ni/1P)

179
CZ75 P-01 is the best handling and carry gun i own. Love it. Also occasionally carry wifes SW Lady smith .357. Little on the large side but shoots like a champ with .38 or .357 loads.

Posted by: Talibill at February 02, 2013 12:12 PM (qk/nQ)

180 Have no idea what kind of handgun I should get (and husband knows less than I do).

There are lots of youtubes on checking used guns. An example of quick checking a revolver is here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMOGVWB-QHw

iraqvet8888 has a couple as well.

Youtube is the shizzle for gun how-tos, btw. I already checked out how to disassemble and reassemble the taurus 82. One of the guys is a real doofus but you get to see someone eff it up, so you won't.

Posted by: toby928© presents at February 02, 2013 12:13 PM (QupBk)

181 [165
If you're a newbie look into formal instruction. The NRA has courses, including women only classes.
Posted by: Steve Skubinna at February 02, 2013 12:02 PM (+13VZ)

When I took my beginner's pistol class back in 2004 or so, it wasn't a women only class, but the instructor was a woman.

She had an interesting story. She said that her husband bought a pistol for home defense, and kept it in the nightstand. She was so afraid of it that she couldn't sleep. So he took her to a range and taught her to shoot it. She said, "Within six months I was shooting in competitions."

Posted by: rickl at February 02, 2013 12:13 PM (sdi6R)

182 Andy, can you add the Appleseed website to your footer? Now that you'll are gunned up, you ought want to work on hitting things with it.

Posted by: Jean at February 02, 2013 12:15 PM (VHfsw)

183 174 That happens around here all the time. Buy a .22/250 for home defense!!!

Posted by: DAve at February 02, 2013 12:15 PM (XDC0v)

184 Did you seriously just recommend a .44 Magnum for home defense?

Well, it would certainly wake the neighbors.

Posted by: Overkill at February 02, 2013 12:16 PM (vbh31)

185 Well, it would certainly wake the neighbors.
Posted by: Overkill at February 02, 2013 12:16 PM (vbh31)yea right before it blew through the wall and killed them.

Posted by: Talibill at February 02, 2013 12:17 PM (qk/nQ)

186 Posted by: DAve at February 02, 2013 12:15 PM (XDC0v)

Too much penetration.

600 Nitro Express in a double rifle for a quick follow-up shot if necessary.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 02, 2013 12:19 PM (GsoHv)

187 164, we need a John Moses Browning statue on the Capitol Mall.

Posted by: Jean at February 02, 2013 12:19 PM (7PjX7)

188 "yea right before it blew through the wall and killed them."

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To be fair, perhaps there's been an epidemic of home invasions by methed-up brown bears that I'm unaware of.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 02, 2013 12:19 PM (celt+)

189 >>>Have no idea what kind of handgun I should get

"Go big, and you'll never go back. 45ACP ammo seems fairly easy to get, even now, and reasonably priced."

I probably should have tempered my comment above. Thinking maybe for husband?

I'm a pretty big guy and I really like my 1911 A LOT. I used to take girls to the range when I was a bachelor and the one downside was that some of them could not rack the slide to chamber the first round. And there were several who were pretty damn good shots right off the gitgo.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 02, 2013 12:19 PM (4Mv1T)

190 Many of you morons may remember last week my rant about owning guns in an LLC.

I was wrong. I have posted this before, but Larry Hyatt, at Hyatt gun, said he had never sold a gun to an LLC, but as long as my papers and background check were OK he would. So buy all your guns in an LLC's name, if you have one, so you will never have to worry about transferring them. Simply transfer the stock.


Also, during that thread I mentioned my dad's WWII 911 was full auto. I had it checked and it was not, so I am not going to jail!

Right now prices are stupid. They had a 50 round magazine for a PS90 for $200, list is $27. Wait, this shit is going to blow over.

I was going through my stuff last night and found a 15 round 9mm clip I had paid $49 for after the first ban. Stupid.


Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 02, 2013 12:19 PM (wR+pz)

191 For my 86 year old arthritic grandma I suggested she get a .500 S&W snubbie.

Posted by: RWC at February 02, 2013 12:20 PM (sqp6o)

192 So, does anybody have any advice about cleaning guns? I don't mean disassembly and reassembly. I can pretty much figure that out from the manuals and videos.

I mean the actual cleaning of parts. There are so many different solvents, sprays, oils, brushes, and tools that it's a bit confusing and overwhelming.

Posted by: rickl at February 02, 2013 12:21 PM (sdi6R)

193 184
Did you seriously just recommend a .44 Magnum for home defense?

Well, it would certainly wake the neighbors.


Posted by: Overkill at February 02, 2013 12:16 PM (vbh31)

And go through several walls and land in the side of your car on the street?

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 02, 2013 12:21 PM (wR+pz)

194 191For my 86 year old arthritic grandma I suggested she get a .500 SW snubbie.Posted by: RWC at February 02, 2013 12:20 PM (sqp6o)Heh. Daddy like.

Posted by: Talibill at February 02, 2013 12:22 PM (qk/nQ)

195 DAve, if you gotta keep your fence line under observation and fire, then a flat shootin 22-250 works.

Posted by: Jean at February 02, 2013 12:22 PM (7tVNd)

196 Drudge has pic of JEF firing a shotgun on now. Amazingly they took the picture just as he was firing. I forgot the fucker was left handed.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 02, 2013 12:22 PM (wR+pz)

197 I suggest a .338 Lapua for home defense. That way, you can be in the next state over and defend your home at the same time!

Posted by: EC at February 02, 2013 12:23 PM (doBIb)

198 You can load and shoot .44 Special loads in a .44 Magnum.

Posted by: mrp at February 02, 2013 12:23 PM (HjPtV)

199 For my 86 year old arthritic grandma I suggested she get a .500 SW snubbie.

That might knock the arthritis right out of her joints. Heh.

Posted by: Overkill at February 02, 2013 12:23 PM (vbh31)

200 Sorry, Taro, I thought she said "we" and I assumed this included her husband.

My grandma was a crack shot with a 44, btw. And you can use specials in a 44 revolver, an option you don't have in an autoloader. And revolvers are intuitive and require less technique to shoot accurately. And Glaser safety slugs don't over penetrate, if that's what you're worried about.

So yeah, I did make that recommendation. I'd love to hear yours.

Posted by: Pastafarian at February 02, 2013 12:24 PM (KC3A2)

201 PSA of the day: do not listen to Gun Counter Guy or Internet Gun Guy.
.
There is good information but unless you already know the basics it is sometimes hard to know which is which.
.
Serious books and training calibrate your bullshit detector.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's mobile at February 02, 2013 12:24 PM (fKyp3)

202 CLP, boresnake, a nice no lint rag, and an old toothbrush is a good start. Avoid the super cheap or exotic ammo until you understand the consequences.

Posted by: Jean at February 02, 2013 12:25 PM (7tVNd)

203 "You can load and shoot .44 Special loads in a .44 Magnum.


Posted by: mrp"

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Yes, but the average .44 Magnum revolver is still a bit large for most female hands (and many males).

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 02, 2013 12:25 PM (celt+)

204 Well, heck, while we're at it, the four rules should be posted in every gun thread.

Copied and pasted from a paraphrase of Jeff Cooper:

1. All guns are always loaded.

2.
Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.

3.
Keep your finger off the trigger till your sights are on the target.
Violation of this rule is directly responsible for about
60 percent of inadvertent discharges.

4. Identify your target, and what is behind it. Never shoot at anything that you have not positively identified.

Posted by: Public Service Announcements, Inc. at February 02, 2013 12:25 PM (bzw/I)

205 I never knew that clay pigeons only fly at eye level. Staged photo for the MFM.

Posted by: Fritz at February 02, 2013 12:27 PM (UzPAd)

206 For all of you who are able to handle a 44 (I never found it hard at all to shoot even one handed) Glaser used to make a "safety slug" for em. That's what I kept in mine at home and carrying. 230gr JHP for teh bambies of course.

Posted by: teej at February 02, 2013 12:28 PM (DZ9ke)

207 192 - I use Hoppe's No. 9 for bore and chamber cleaning and CLP for everything else, including running through the bore after cleaning. CLP leaves a fairly durable preserving film on parts and is good for storage too. Keep it away from ammo, as with all lubricants. After you apply it, wipe dry.

Also I take along a Boresnake when shooting to periodically run through the barrel every several magazines.

Posted by: Steve Skubinna at February 02, 2013 12:28 PM (+13VZ)

208 Watch our new TV ad, "The Imperial President," and if you agree, please LIKE and SHARE. You can also contribute to purchase airtime. https://secure.donationsafe.com/imperialpresident/DDUSA

Posted by: David at February 02, 2013 12:28 PM (s78Ki)

209 Tobacco Road, same issue with pump shotties

Posted by: Jean at February 02, 2013 12:28 PM (7tVNd)

210
I never knew that clay pigeons only fly at eye level. Staged photo for the MFM.


That's what bothered me. The angle is much too low. I'm no master skeet shooter, but I figure they would be thrown up very high. That pic makes it look like he's shooting at a target downrange.

Posted by: EC at February 02, 2013 12:29 PM (doBIb)

211 The caption says he's shooting clay targets. Are they flying, or just stuck to a post on the ground? He's shooting almost level - I can't picture where the clay would be at the moment of the shot. I would expect his gun to be angled up more.

I vote that it's staged

Posted by: Rule #2 at February 02, 2013 12:29 PM (CypDC)

212 205I never knew that clay pigeons only fly at eye level. Staged photo for the MFM.
Posted by: Fritz at February 02, 2013 12:27 PM (UzPAd)If the photographer would have panned to the left a bit there is a copy of the constitution attached to a board. That's the target here...

Posted by: Timon at February 02, 2013 12:29 PM (hHlaS)

213 "So yeah, I did make that recommendation. I'd love to hear yours."

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SW Model 10 .38 Special, for cheap, reliable bread butter.

Ruger SP-101 in .357 (loaded with .38 +P), 3" barrel, if carry will be done.

Ruger GP-100 in .357, 4" barrel, if not carried.

The latter is the best all-around handgun for the one-gun owner, IMO.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 02, 2013 12:30 PM (celt+)

214 That pic makes it look like he's shooting at a target downrange. for a pic.


Posted by: EC at February 02, 2013 12:29 PM (doBIb)

Posted by: Tami at February 02, 2013 12:30 PM (X6akg)

215 I can see you tellers seem to think that there's something magical about a 44 magnum, as if you've learned all you know of ballistics by watching Jean Claude Van Damme movies in which cars explode and gunshot victims fly twelve feet through the air. And you've never heard of safety slugs or critical defense hollow points.

Do go on with your recommendations of 45 ACP with 800fps and no expansion. Or purse gun calibers that glance off of skulls.

Posted by: Pastafarian at February 02, 2013 12:31 PM (KC3A2)

216 Damned asterisks...

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 02, 2013 12:31 PM (celt+)

217 I know fourteen year old girls who can't handle a shotgun better than that

Posted by: Jean at February 02, 2013 12:32 PM (7tVNd)

218 I vote that it's staged

Very much like his entire Presidency.

Posted by: Overkill at February 02, 2013 12:32 PM (vbh31)

219 214
That pic makes it look like he's shooting at a target downrange. for a pic.




Posted by: EC at February 02, 2013 12:29 PM (doBIb)



Posted by: Tami at February 02, 2013 12:30 PM (X6akg)

He is shooting at Hillary while she practices dodging questions like sniper fire.

Posted by: Satan at February 02, 2013 12:32 PM (+OTLF)

220 >>>3.
Keep your finger off the trigger till your sights are on the target


In the interest of public safety, this need to be in BOLD CAPITAL LETTERS.

I was at a range qualifying for my CCW recently. I shot my 1911 to qualify, but decided to shoot my revolver for grins later. The Range Safety Officer and the CCW instructor happened to be watching me and I was a little nervous since I hadn't had my guns out in several years, like 15 years.

Had my finger on the trigger while cocking the hammer back on the revolver, and had an unintended discharge. It went downrange, and nowbody knows but me, (and now ya'll). Point is, if I had been in a REAL STRESS situation, with a bad guy/guys in front of me, someone could have been shot a little sooner than intended.

Finger off the trigger till ready to fire. Repeat. OFF THE TRIGGER.



Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 02, 2013 12:33 PM (4Mv1T)

221 45 ACP with 800fps and no expansion

Say what?

Posted by: Overkill at February 02, 2013 12:34 PM (vbh31)

222 Had my finger on the trigger while cocking the hammer back on the
revolver, and had an unintended discharge. It went downrange, and
nowbody knows but me, (and now ya'll).


"Hello, Sheriff Harrison? Yes, I'd like to report a doofus at the Wake Co. range..."

j/k


Posted by: EC at February 02, 2013 12:35 PM (doBIb)

223 "I can see you tellers seem to think that there's something magical about
a 44 magnum, as if you've learned all you know of ballistics by
watching Jean Claude Van Damme movies in which cars explode and gunshot
victims fly twelve feet through the air. And you've never heard of
safety slugs or critical defense hollow points.
"

--------------

It's called "humorous exaggeration." It highlights the silliness of your recommendation.

You could fill a football stadium with men who fired a cylinder of .44 Mags and decided the experience was sufficient.

There are far better choices.



Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 02, 2013 12:35 PM (celt+)

224 207 CLP for cleaning and lubrication. My Marine buddy sez it's all they use

Posted by: DAve at February 02, 2013 12:36 PM (XDC0v)

225 Taro, we're not far enough apart on our recommendations to merit additional debate, or the sneering tone you first took with my recommendation.

I'll just add that you should ask that woman who shot the perp 5 times with a 38 and watched him run away whether she'd prefer something bigger next time. I was talking about a nightstand gun here, not a ccw gun.

Posted by: Pastafarian at February 02, 2013 12:37 PM (KC3A2)

226 If a woman has sufficient hand strength to pull the slide of a 1911, then the slim grip makes for a comfortable gun to hold. Double-stack mags tend to be a bit fat for smaller ladies.

Plus, there are several .22 conversion units for cheap practice.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 02, 2013 12:37 PM (celt+)

227 >>>45 ACP with 800fps and no expansion

I am optimistic that Hornady Critical Defense rounds in 45ACP will remedy this concern, and also rid my house of any large infestation.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 02, 2013 12:37 PM (4Mv1T)

228 Oh look.....they're like 12 year old girls.....


Attn skeet birthers. Make our day - let the photoshop conspiracies begin! m.flickr.com/photos/whiteho…

— David Plouffe (@davidplouffe) February 2, 2013



For all the "skeeters": POTUS shoots clay targets on the range at Camp David on Aug. 4, 2012. bit.ly/WlDMYG

— Dan Pfeiffer (@pfeiffer44) February 2, 2013

Posted by: Tami at February 02, 2013 12:38 PM (X6akg)

229 Pasta, come on. Maybe a .44 lever gun, but a five pounds of hog leg that goes off like a cannon. The idea is to scare the bad guy, not the shooter.

Posted by: Jean at February 02, 2013 12:38 PM (7tVNd)

230 Look into the brassstacker to help with slide manipulation. Available on amazon and they work great

Posted by: DAve at February 02, 2013 12:39 PM (XDC0v)

231 Aunt May asking Peter what's going on in there and he doesn't let her in saying he is exercising and not dressed.

Her cleaning his room the next day of all the sticky stuff on the walls and ceiling must have been AWKWARD.

(just a random thought)

Posted by: RWC at February 02, 2013 12:39 PM (sqp6o)

232 Aunt May asking Peter what's going on in there and he doesn't let her in saying he is exercising and not dressed.



Her cleaning his room the next day of all the sticky stuff on the walls and ceiling must have been AWKWARD.



(just a random thought)



And his name is "Peter". heh....

Posted by: EC at February 02, 2013 12:40 PM (doBIb)

233 Maybe TFG is shooting trap. I haven't shot trap since I was in high school, but IIRC the birds shoot out lower than they do from the skeet houses.

Posted by: stace at February 02, 2013 12:41 PM (m+UHL)

234 Finger off the trigger till ready to fire. Repeat. OFF THE TRIGGER.



Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 02, 2013 12:33 PM (4Mv1T)
=================================================
I thougt the correct terminology was "KEEP YOUR BOOGER PICKER OFF THE BANGSWITCH"

Posted by: Timon at February 02, 2013 12:41 PM (hHlaS)

235 230 Look into the brassstacker to help with slide manipulation. Available on amazon and they work great
Posted by: DAve at February 02, 2013 12:39 PM (XDC0v)

Damn DAve, where were you yesterday? For the life of me I couldn't remember what that was called.

Posted by: RWC at February 02, 2013 12:41 PM (sqp6o)

236 I am optimistic that Hornady Critical Defense rounds in 45ACP will
remedy this concern, and also rid my house of any large infestation.


Same with Rem Golden Saber, Pow'R Ball or a host of other defense rounds. The .45 ACP is pretty much proven beyond any credible counter-argument.

Posted by: Overkill at February 02, 2013 12:42 PM (vbh31)

237
Heading to the Savannah gun show as soon as husband gets back from the
office. Have no idea what kind of handgun I should get (and husband
knows less than I do).

Babes in the woods, we are.


Head to your local gun shop/range, and try a few out. Find something comfortable, that fits your hand, popular caliber, with a wide variety of loads. Purchase a metric butt ton of ammo, and practice, practice, practice.

Note: Stay away from the cheapest of the cheap Chinese reloads when buying ammo. You'll end up with some really hot loads, that can potentially destroy your hand gun. Also, those hot loads tend to eject straight back, instead of to the side. I managed to catch an ejected shell right above my left eyebrow....left a perfect circular cut. I safed my weapon, secured it...and with blood flowing from that circular cut, I walked back into the gun shop and asked if they had a bandaid.

I bought my gun from that shop...and in doing so, I got 16 hours of indoor range time free. It was a great deal...but my selection of 'burn in' ammo didn't quite cut the mustard.

I still have about 150 rounds of that dodgy .45 ACP....uh...165 grain solid point, I believe. I'm ever hopeful that someone will break into my garage and steal the rest of it......and at this point in time, the brass is worth more than the loaded rounds.

So anyway...umm...what were we talking about? I feel like Old Blaine reciting the gripping story of Mark Twain's "Grandfather's Old Ram".

I disremember his first name; but he was a stump–come into pra’r
meeting drunk, one night, hooraying for Nixon, becuz he thought it was a
primary; and old deacon Ferguson up and scooted him through the window
and he lit on old Miss Jefferson’s head, poor old filly. She was a good
soul–had a glass eye and used to lend it to old Miss Wagner, that hadn’t
any, to receive company in; it warn’t big enough, and when Miss Wagner
warn’t noticing, it would get twisted around in the socket, and look up,
maybe, or out to one side, and every which way, while t’ other one was
looking as straight ahead as a spy-glass. Grown people didn’t mind it,
but it most always made the children cry, it was so sort of scary. She
tried packing it in raw cotton, but it wouldn’t work, somehow–the cotton
would get loose and stick out and look so kind of awful that the
children couldn’t stand it no way. She was always dropping it out, and
turning up her old dead-light on the company empty, and making them
oncomfortable, becuz she never could tell when it hopped out, being blind on that side, you see.


Yeah, so whatever I was saying before, I stand by it!

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at February 02, 2013 12:43 PM (L7hol)

238 Posted by: EC at February 02, 2013 12:40 PM (doBIb)

You know I'm talking Spider-man right.


But heh heh, heh heh heh..he said 'Peter.'

Posted by: RWC at February 02, 2013 12:43 PM (sqp6o)

239 211
The caption says he's shooting clay targets. Are they flying, or just stuck to a post on the ground?

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Clay targets, yes. Skeet? No. He's actually at Dick Cheney's Undisclosed Location Clay Lawyer Shooting Range.

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at February 02, 2013 12:43 PM (1c58W)

240 >>>Hello, Sheriff Harrison? Yes, I'd like to report a doofus at the Wake Co. range..." j/k

Indeed. Exactly how I felt, too. And mums the word. My CCW permit application is siting in his office as we speak.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 02, 2013 12:44 PM (4Mv1T)

241 "You could fill a stadium..."
Part of that could be the grips. I didn't at all care for shooting a blackhawk with Bisley grips. Not painful at all but "rolled" thru my hand. My 629 with Pachmayer combat grips on the other hand,,,saaaweet.
Gallon milk jugs, one handed, 30 yd backyard range, never miss.

Posted by: teej at February 02, 2013 12:45 PM (qjFNd)

242 196
Amazingly they took the picture just as he was firing.

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All it takes is a movie camera and a razor blade.

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at February 02, 2013 12:46 PM (1c58W)

243 Alvin York used a 1911 to dispatch six Huns with one magazine.

Had they been told the .45 was slow and non-expanding, they would no doubt have shrugged it off and killed him as the slugs bounced off their skulls.


Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 02, 2013 12:46 PM (celt+)

244 Indeed. Exactly how I felt, too. And mums the word. My CCW permit application is siting in his office as we speak.

It was a great day when I got mine back after putting it in 4 months before. The nice lady at the window was pregnant or something at the time, because her boobs were HUGE!

Anyhow, was it funny to you that the sex offender office was in the SAME room as the pistol and CC permits? When I was there dropping mine off, there was some older guy sitting in the office being told by a cop all the things he could and couldn't do or go. The older guy looked just like the kind of guy that pops into your mind when you hear "sex offender" or "child molester". Then, another guy walks in, looks inside the office and sees it's busy, and sits down and waits. He looked at his shoes the entire time, until it was his turn to go in and get "briefed".

Posted by: EC at February 02, 2013 12:49 PM (doBIb)

245 It's worn out and cliched, but I personally would not volunteer to be the test subject for the stopping power characteristics of anything much above a .177 pellet. And I've seen those run almost clean through a small varmint. Just sayin'.

Posted by: Overkill at February 02, 2013 12:51 PM (vbh31)

246 243 - Yes, and the krauts pissed and moaned about our troops carrying trench guns, claimed they were "barbaric."

Thus said the guys who first used poison gas.

Posted by: Steve Skubinna at February 02, 2013 12:55 PM (+13VZ)

247 OT

I just finished torrenting the 3rd season of Downton Abbey for the wife.


EC is getting some TO-NIGHT!!!!!

Posted by: EC at February 02, 2013 12:56 PM (doBIb)

248 The nice lady at the window was pregnant or something at the time, because her boobs were HUGE!

Posted by: EC at February 02, 2013 12:49 PM (doBIb)


Yay for peanut allergies!

Posted by: RWC at February 02, 2013 12:57 PM (sqp6o)

249
"Give the home invaders a fair chance!!" Limit magazines to seven rounds -- the Cuomo Doctrine.
.
I prefer the Powell doctrine of overwhelming force.

Posted by: Die Trying at February 02, 2013 12:58 PM (w7J/R)

250 >>>The nice lady at the window was pregnant or something at the time, because her boobs were HUGE!

Made me laugh. *chuckles*

I was too busy having flashbacks of picking up my eldest teen from jail in the same lobby after a certain driving indiscretion a couple of years ago to notice the sex perps.

There were 12 people in line with me, though. All shapes, all sizes, all ages, all genders, but all one color, well except for the Chinese guy. Interesting.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 02, 2013 12:58 PM (4Mv1T)

251 Bought 25 rounds of Winchester military buckshot last month from Midway. It's out of stock now. Just made it.

I've been ammo-stocking for a year now. I've got ten full ammo cans that give me a warm, fuzzy feeling.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 02, 2013 12:59 PM (celt+)

252 Maybe TFG is shooting trap.

Could be, but trap isn't for beginners. Now are we expected to believe TFG has mastered skeet, and moved on to trap?

Posted by: Rule #2 at February 02, 2013 12:59 PM (CypDC)

253 >>>I've been ammo-stocking for a year now. I've got ten full ammo cans that give me a warm, fuzzy feeling.


Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto


Meh.

Posted by: A Predator Drone at February 02, 2013 01:01 PM (4Mv1T)

254 Made me laugh. *chuckles*

I was too busy having flashbacks of
picking up my eldest teen from jail in the same lobby after a certain
driving indiscretion a couple of years ago to notice the sex perps.

There
were 12 people in line with me, though. All shapes, all sizes, all
ages, all genders, but all one color, well except for the Chinese guy.
Interesting.




The first copy of my CC permit had my address incorrectly spelled. It was missing one letter, and you wouldn't have caught it if you were glancing at it. I, however, felt that something like this needed to be absolutely fucking 100% perfect with no errors. I emailed the big boobed lady back and asked her if this presented a problem. She said I would get a corrected one. Great, I thought. I'll have to wait another 4 months. But it came within 3 weeks which was surprising.

Posted by: EC at February 02, 2013 01:02 PM (doBIb)

255 "There were 12 people in line with me, though. All shapes, all sizes, all
ages, all genders, but all one color, well except for the Chinese guy.
Interesting."

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This is the sort of thing that Greg Gutfeld beautifully calls a "hatefact."

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 02, 2013 01:03 PM (celt+)

256
225 Posted by: Pastafarian at February 02, 2013 12:37 PM (KC3A2)

I gotta go with Taro on this. The 44 might be alittle too much for a newbie and besides the whole point of home protection is to make the intruder STOP not burst into little bits. The lady in GA did just fine witha 38, the perp left most f'n pronto once he took incoming.

Posted by: Talibill at February 02, 2013 01:03 PM (qk/nQ)

257 Okay. Got to go walk with the wifey since I broke the exercise bike yesterday. Whoops.

Then off to the range.... again.... to see if I can get a rifle bay to zero the scope on the new rifle.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 02, 2013 01:04 PM (4Mv1T)

258 Taro: "...the silliness of your recommendation."

So a 44 revolver is silly, but a 357 is sober and profound. Got it.

Even though over penetration is actually more likely with the 38+P you recommend, than it is with 44 specials.

And the grips on a 44 are too big for a woman...although they're typically identical in size to those of your 357.

Posted by: Pastafarian at February 02, 2013 01:05 PM (KC3A2)

259 Ted Nugent should offer to bridge the partisan divide and find some common ground with Obama on gun measures. By taking him on a snipe hunt.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 02, 2013 01:05 PM (celt+)

260 Fox News just had a story about "SWATing". The angle was it's a "prank" perpetrated on celebrities mostly (like poor widdle Ashton Kutcher) and maybe some other folks by mischievous 12-year old boys with an internet connection. Absolutely no mention that it might be a tactic specifically and intentionally used to cause death and/or harm for 'political' reasons.

A mischievous prank. Got it.


Posted by: Punk Satawney Phil at February 02, 2013 01:06 PM (W4rUE)

261 242 Their video camera was not that quick

Posted by: butternut at February 02, 2013 01:06 PM (nbYoV)

262 Hmm, I found trap easier than skeet. Are they all set up the same? Trap was coming from one position to the front. Started out fairly low then slightly rising. Fanned out at different angles.
Skeet had throwers right and left that crossed in front of you.

Posted by: teej at February 02, 2013 01:07 PM (EYbqR)

263 You're right, Pasta. Even a cursory glance at recommendations made by firearms experts reveals a heavy bias towards .44 Magnums for home defense. Especially for new shooters and women. I yield to you.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 02, 2013 01:08 PM (celt+)

264 Talibill at 256: strange thing, the 200 pound deer I shot with a 44 didn't explode. And the round didn't go through the deer, the next county, a brick wall, and two nuns. It didn't exit at all, in fact, til I dug it out.

And as I pointed out upthread, a revolver allows the option of 44 special, a very under-rated round for personal defense.

I'm starting to get the impression that you guys are a bunch of pussies, with soft doughie hands, who flinch from a little recoil.

Posted by: Pastafarian at February 02, 2013 01:14 PM (KC3A2)

265 Fact: Hollywood exempts itself from gun restrictions, including on "assault rifles"

Posted by: The Political Hat at February 02, 2013 01:17 PM (Vk2pI)

266 Wow, and your dick is bigger than mine, too!

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 02, 2013 01:17 PM (celt+)

267 205
I never knew that clay pigeons only fly at eye level. Staged photo for the MFM.


Posted by: Fritz at February 02, 2013 12:27 PM (UzPAd)

I thought the same thing. And what is with the road behind him? Ever seen a road next to a skeet range?

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 02, 2013 01:18 PM (wR+pz)

268 The gun cleaning question is a great one. Isn't brought up often enough.

Break Free CLP is good stuff, but the military formula isn't the same as the commercial. As I recall, the civ mix doesn't have as much solvent, so it doesn't cut the carbon as well as the mil mix. Still, it's one of the best low cost options.

For lube after cleaning, I use SlideGlide grease for the handguns. Theres light and medium consistencies for different temp ranges and I'm really pleased with how it makes the gun feel. Like the slide is rolling on bearings.

My HiPower really likes a bicycle grease (something-2000). Neon green and fairly thick. But the same grease on my 1911 will make the slide look like its running in slow motion, causes jams fairly regular.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at February 02, 2013 01:20 PM (TIIx5)

269 I think it has been decided, Best personal defense gun? The Judge. 45 or 410.



http://tinyurl.com/4j4rwf

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 02, 2013 01:25 PM (wR+pz)

270
114"I buy cards for the wife and kids. I have my kids make cards for everyone else. The Grandparents especially like them."

I buy cards myself, but my wife wife loves cards made by the kids, even if it is made on the computer.

Either way, she ain't given up the booty for something as cheap as a Hallmark card. It requires something MUCH more difficult, like behaving civil, and being nice, and shit
======================
It's hard to know what a woman will cherish. All her life, Mom carried in her wallet a few laminated clippingsfrom the Valentine's Day "We Love You Mom" section of the newspaper. We should have done it every year.

Posted by: Die Trying at February 02, 2013 01:26 PM (w7J/R)

271 Amazon never forgets. I went to go look at the banana slicer reviews and it's offering me sundry Mosin accessories.

Posted by: toby928© presents at February 02, 2013 01:26 PM (QupBk)

272 "My HiPower..."

Okay, now I'm turning green as your grease. I love how my 1991 (short 1911) feels, but a bud of mine picked up a HiPower a couple years ago. It felt like all I had to do was hold it and it would do the rest.

Posted by: teej at February 02, 2013 01:28 PM (z6Elp)

273 BTW, Amazon is offering me laser bore sighters that are in the cartridge rather than stuck in the end of the muzzle. Isn't that rather less likely to be accurate?

Posted by: toby928© presents at February 02, 2013 01:29 PM (QupBk)

274 Apparently, original D of I and US Constitution don't get much elevation out of the skeet launcher.

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 02, 2013 01:32 PM (BAS5M)

275
157
Heading to the Savannah gun show as soon as husband gets back from
the office. Have no idea what kind of handgun I should get (and husband knows
less than I do).



Babes in the woods, we are.
======================================
Suggest starting witha .22 revolver or pistol (e.g. Ruger Mark III). Can learn shooting fundamentals with it; hasless noise and lower recoil.Cheaper ammo. Havefun!


Posted by: Die Trying at February 02, 2013 01:36 PM (w7J/R)

276
264 I'm starting to get the impression that you guys are a bunch of pussies, with soft doughie hands, who flinch from a little recoil.

Posted by: Pastafarian at February 02, 2013 01:14 PM (KC3A2)
well I was trying to put some humor into disagreeing with you but now that thats out if the way lets start with this: Only a misguided idiot with little to no eperience would recommend a 44 as a starting weapon for a newbie. Anyone with any experience would respond with soemthing to the affectof "go shoot some at your local gun range to see what feels right..."but not you. You went straight for the Clint Eastwoodbeast right out of the box which just proves you have absolutley nocredibility and should shy away from providing opinions.

Posted by: Talibill at February 02, 2013 01:36 PM (qk/nQ)

277 toby, I've never used one so this is kind of fwiw, but the "cartridge lasers" make sense to me. Should get you within a couple of inches at 100 yds. Someone whose used em please chime in.

Posted by: teej at February 02, 2013 01:38 PM (7PjX7)

278 Best weapon of all time: the bow!

http://tinyurl.com/an754yp

Posted by: EC at February 02, 2013 01:41 PM (doBIb)

279 276 - whoa, easy Talibill, cut the guy some slack. Dude was in the shit. He won't talk about it, but I have it on good authority that he was in the Eleventy Twelth Marine SEAL Ranger Airborne Commando Brigade. Way I hear it, he was the one who illuminated bin Laden while Obama ride, Slim Pickens style, the JDAM that got the SOB right between the eyes.

Posted by: Steve Skubinna at February 02, 2013 01:41 PM (+13VZ)

280 Posted by: EC at February 02, 2013 01:41 PM (doBIb)


Well that was a nice surprise. Thanks.

Posted by: RWC at February 02, 2013 01:42 PM (sqp6o)

281 Well that was a nice surprise. Thanks.

I didn't see any bow, even though the pic was supposed to have one in there....somewhere. Did you see one?

Posted by: EC at February 02, 2013 01:43 PM (doBIb)

282 Had to concentrate REALLY hard but eventually found it.

Posted by: RWC at February 02, 2013 01:47 PM (sqp6o)

283 "a bud of mine picked up a HiPower a couple years ago. It felt like all I had to do was hold it and it would do the rest."

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I picked up a 75th Anniversary Hi-Power a couple years back (it just has a little scroll-mark on the top of the slide). It's got such a beautiful bluing job that I haven't had the heart to shoot it yet. You don't see nice bluing on pistols much anymore.

It's surprisingly small for a full-size 9mm. My Beretta M9 is a Dragoon pistol in comparison. And much slimmer than a Glock. It just feels right. And you gotta love how it SHOOTS those mags out.

The only thing I don't like is the trigger. Gritty as hell. Eventually I'll remove the magazine safety disconnect (or whatever it's called) and see if that cleans it up.


Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at February 02, 2013 01:50 PM (celt+)

284 And revolvers are intuitive and require less
technique to shoot accurately. And Glaser safety slugs don't over
penetrate, if that's what you're worried about.



So yeah, I did make that recommendation. I'd love to hear yours.

Posted by: Pastafarian at February 02, 2013 12:24 PM (KC3A2)


I'll bet that I can take a newbie shooter and have them shooting just as accurately (or more so) out of a modern semi-auto as you can with your vaunted wheelgun in the same amount of time. Today's semis are just as trouble-free as the revolvers if you are using good quality ammo, and the new generation of semis don't have all the safeties to fumble with, they are built into the triggers and handgrips *unless you are still shooting that archaic 1911* ( ) I can even show someone of small stature and not overpowering grip strength how to rack a slide, it's a matter of technique not brute force.


A 9mm loaded with JHPs for defense ammo and FMJs for target ammo will do anything you need it to do. I will second the .22 for practice, and strongly agree with "go to your gun shop and fondle many before deciding" because what's right for one is not right for others. For example, I love my Glock 36, but there are a lot of people out there who just don't care for the Glock's grip angle. Nothing wrong with that.


If the meathead behind the counter tries to offer the lady nothing but a .38 Chief's Special, leave the store and don't ever go back, unless they have ammo on sale. Same advice with internet gun guy, whosoever shall recommend a snubby hard-to-control wheelgun right off the bat to a novice shooter is not to be listened to (you might end up liking the Chiefs Special, but don't just jump on it - or any other gun - without test driving it first). Likewise, he who opines that the pump-action 12 gauge is the ultimate home defense weapon speaks from his nether regions (yes, it's good, but you do actually need to know how to shoot a shotgun, especially if you want to fire more than one round out of it).


Hie thee to a gun store and fondle many weapons.

Thatisall.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at February 02, 2013 01:54 PM (yh0zB)

285 RE teh "bow pic"

I'm guessin' the cost of silicone spiked for a week after that operation.

Posted by: teej at February 02, 2013 01:54 PM (S4AQU)

286 The bow looks real. The WMDs? Bought and paid for.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 02, 2013 01:55 PM (4Mv1T)

287 but the "cartridge lasers" make sense to me

I guess they presume that the chamber is exactly aligned with the bore, which is almost certainly close to being true. But I would think you would want to align with bore at the end of the muzzle.

Posted by: toby928© presents at February 02, 2013 01:55 PM (QupBk)

288 Yo, CGE. Nice to meet you earlier at the show. And nice ride, by the way.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 02, 2013 01:57 PM (4Mv1T)

289 Thanks TR, nice to meet you as well. We should have a moron meet-up at the shooting range one day...when it's warmer...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at February 02, 2013 01:58 PM (yh0zB)

290
284 Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at February 02, 2013 01:54 PM (yh0zB)

Yea, what he said.

Posted by: Talibill at February 02, 2013 01:59 PM (qk/nQ)

291 Re: laser sights. I read some reviews of the less expensive ones and they seem to be a very unsatisfactory solution. Like you can't see the laser out past 25yds.

I just took my rifle outside, dropped the lower and removed the bolt to bore-sight it at around 100yds. Will be interesting to see how screwed up that turns out if I actually get on the range today.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 02, 2013 02:01 PM (4Mv1T)

292 FWIW...TFG doesn't know how to shoot a shotgun. He's standing too much up and down, not leaning into it. If he doesn't end up on his ass he will be stumbling backwards at least one step. They caught that pic at the magical moment between discharge and recoil. If it were a semi he likely wouldn't get enough ass on it to cycle the round.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at February 02, 2013 02:02 PM (yh0zB)

293 I should have said, "laser BORE sights".

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 02, 2013 02:03 PM (4Mv1T)

294 I've still not seen anything that could explain the smoke out of that gun. Vented doesn't cut it. And there seems to be something ont he end of the top barrel thats not on the bottom. If you had a choke of some j=kind you'd put it on both barrels not just one.

Posted by: Talibill at February 02, 2013 02:04 PM (qk/nQ)

295 toby, isn't the laser's light travelling through the barrel and out the muzzle? Like I said, I haven't used one but have seen em advertised and thought that was how they worked.
Either no one else here has ever used one or we're beneath them, not worth their time.

Posted by: teej at February 02, 2013 02:06 PM (gKGI0)

296 Either no one else here has ever used one or we're beneath them, not worth their time.

Posted by: teej at February 02, 2013 02:06 PM (gKGI0)


Never used one, mostly because they don't make one for the 6.5x50 Japanese, but you chamber it like it was a live round and it boresights down the barrel. As long as the barrel is straight you should be able to put it right on the target at 25 yards (which theoretically should put it right on at 200 as well, but that depends on the gun). Keep in mind it's not foolproof, it's a way for you to get the bullet hole on the paper from the first shot so that you can sight it in.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at February 02, 2013 02:10 PM (yh0zB)

297 @291- Thank you TR!
I kind of figured on the 25 yd thing. That's why I guessed the "within 2" at 100yds" deal. Bullet still "coming up to meet the scope" in all likelihood at that range.

Posted by: teej at February 02, 2013 02:13 PM (XwRIg)

298 GGE- At the county range, the minimum target distance for the rifle bays is 50yds. I am hoping that bore-sighting will get me on the paper at that distance, then I can move it out to 100yds to confirm. Taking an old Bushnell spotting scope to check my work since I can't see squat in that dim surrounding.

Dirty Bird targets will help hopefully.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 02, 2013 02:13 PM (4Mv1T)

299 toby, isn't the laser's light travelling through the barrel and out the muzzle?

Presumably. It just seems like a solution in search of a problem. Maybe the selling point is that it easy to carry in your pocket so you can quickly use it to check you scope alignment at the range.

Or something. I'm sure it's more convenient that a regular bore sighter. No biggie though. I don't use either kind. I just spend a few shots down range.

Posted by: toby928© presents at February 02, 2013 02:15 PM (QupBk)

300 Thank you too GGE!
The 25yd close to same as 200yd nice bit of knowledge to have too. Didn't know that one. Knew my 7mag was 1.5" high at 100 was dead on at 200 and drops different drops further out but...

Posted by: teej at February 02, 2013 02:18 PM (bR2AR)

301 Groundhogs and ivy league cheaters up thread. Did all the gun lovers head up there?

Posted by: Tobacco Road at February 02, 2013 02:24 PM (4Mv1T)

302 295 No, I just been too busy getting my house worked on. Go to Amazon and buy a boresighter for every caliber you have. Then go to the hardware store and get a little reflector (like for bicycles) and it'll make it 1000% better

Posted by: DAve at February 02, 2013 02:31 PM (XDC0v)

303 "Did all the gun lovers head up there?"

If they did, would they actually be gun lovers?

Might be an opportune time to check for a hoops cheerleader pic though cause, well,,,
This is my weapon, this is my gun.....

Posted by: teej at February 02, 2013 02:32 PM (LBUCy)

304 sigh - no cheerleaders.

Thanks DAve. I'll keep that in mind.

Posted by: teej at February 02, 2013 02:38 PM (LBUCy)

305 Hmmm, something weird going on.

I've twice posted a comment about my "drops different drops" wording, making a joke about me and my dumb phone. It's been "disappeared" both times.

Posted by: teej at February 02, 2013 02:44 PM (sTfkB)

306 Keep in mind the 25 = 200 trick does not apply to all firearms, it depends on the rifle and the caliber. .22 will drop more at that distance, my 7.62x54R maybe a little less, my 6.5x50 Japanese is still climbing at 200. It's just a ballpark and needs to be verified at the range. FWIW, my .223 Saiga is dead on at 25yds, about 2" high at 100 and dead on again at 200.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at February 02, 2013 02:52 PM (yh0zB)

307 Hello horde-ettes-and fellow home protectors with lady parts. You can't go wrong with something smaller that's very comfy in your hands. Just get some home protection Hornady rounds and you are good to go. I have a S & W 38 +P for downstairs and an H K 40 for bedroom. Most gun shops are happy to let you rent/borrow weapons for their range but you may have to buy a box of ammo for each. I almost bought a .45 from a friend but had a very hard time racking the slide. Figured I'd never practice with it so why buy it. I have to agree with Taro on this.

Posted by: fartist at February 02, 2013 02:55 PM (YYKV4)

308 OK peeplz, I'm off to do something productive for a bit, Boy will be dragging me off to the skating rink before too long so I have to get everything done around here. I'll catch you later when I'm trapped at the rink with no way to escape for a couple of hours.


Later roonz and roonettez!

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at February 02, 2013 03:31 PM (yh0zB)

309 That means the Expendables, Expendables 2, and now Shot to the Head which I SAW LAST NIGHT are all tainted in my mind. What about GET CARTER? That was a great movie. Why can't these dimwit actors just collect a paycheck?

Next up? Dont anyone tell me jason statham or bruce willis is anti-gun. All my action dvd collection will be substituted for ray ramano's ice age, or jack black's kung fu panda.

Guess I'm going to the way back machine and dig out Ron D. Moore's Battlestar Galactica's miniseries with the cylons.

Posted by: bummed at February 02, 2013 03:51 PM (7Fmw0)

310 Regarding sighting in a rifle:

I think laser boresighters - even cheap ones - can be a useful tool. However, you've got to have a decent bit of range - like 25 yards. The hard part about that is if it is a bright sunny day it is very difficult to see the laser pointer.

They won't get you dead on, but they'll get you in the ballpark very quickly and save you from having to waste any rounds trying to get on the paper.

If you don't have that, use poster sized blank paper and put a small target in the dead center of the paper and set it up between 25 and 50 yards out. Any shots should be recorded on the paper so you can adjust accordingly.

Finally - make sure to repeat every shot the exact same way. Once you're comfortable that you've found ammo that shoots accurately through your rifle then you can start experimenting with different grips, shooting positions, use of a hasty sling, shooting off sticks, etc...

Posted by: Mauser757 at February 02, 2013 03:57 PM (mfWu+)

311 the photo Drudge is running showing Barry "shooting at clay pigeons" looks like he shoots about as well as he throws a major league baseball.

Posted by: Born Free at February 02, 2013 04:20 PM (jnJcf)

312 This Red Shirt is looking to get armed. Held a WaltherPPQ - awesome hold...dreamy trigger...impossible to find. I held a rental, and guess I have to wait till the m2 arrives.

Posted by: Red Shirt at February 02, 2013 04:22 PM (FIDMq)

313 National Association for Gun Rights - NAGR - often goes after the NRA for some of their "compromises".

Posted by: Grandma Mimi at February 02, 2013 04:29 PM (ko0I/)

314 Jane,

For my 'night-stand' gun I use a Mossberg 500. Something about the sound of the shotgun pump cycling sends most bad guys running. It's almost angelic.

My main handgun is a Glock 27, but I inherited it from my dad and I'm not sure if I would spend that much on a pistol. I also have a Hi Point 40 that is a lot of fun to shoot and is a good, cheap, semi-auto currently available for around $225-250.

I just got a Bersa 380 for ccw and I'm really liking it.




Posted by: Phat at February 02, 2013 05:05 PM (JSrRl)

315 Red Shirt,

Check into the Bersa's. You can still find them and they are very similar to Walther's.

Also, just say no to shore patrol!


Posted by: Phat at February 02, 2013 05:07 PM (JSrRl)

316 1875 "Apache" Brass Knuckle Duster Knife Gun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lq-NZ9RNIu8

Posted by: toby928© presents at February 02, 2013 05:18 PM (QupBk)

317 NAGR is a joke. Just look at their cosmic freakout over the idea of nationwide reciprocity for concealed carry.

Posted by: BornLib at February 02, 2013 05:58 PM (zpNwC)

318 I already thought the Expendables sucked. I mean, come on, a CIA agent is the big fucking bad guy. He even waterboards the heroine.

Posted by: BornLib at February 02, 2013 06:01 PM (zpNwC)

319 I will add my condemnation to the .44 magnum recommendation for an inexperienced shooter of any sex. I have seen too many potential shooters turned off to guns by room temperature IQ comedians giving them a .44 magnum with full loads to shoot and laughing as they were overpowered by the recoil.

My recommendation is to go to a range that lets you shoot a variety of guns to find out what you like best. The way it feels in your hand is an important consideration.

Check out a variety of gun stores. You can sometimes still find Smith Wesson Model 10 .38 special revolvers that were traded in by police departments. If you don't want to spend that much time and effort learning about your gun, a double action revolver is about as simple as it gets. Some stores also have other police department trade ins. These are also not a bad choice. One store near here has a bunch of Sig .40 caliber double action only pistols that were traded in by a police department. That would not be my first choice but I can understand why somebody would want them and I would not criticize that choice.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at February 02, 2013 06:23 PM (31Nrp)

320 Full MSRP on a Hi-Point pistol is $200. I would never even consider paying more than that.

IMHO, if that's all the money you have to get a pistol, get a used Bersa, Taurus, or Kel-Tec instead.

Double that and you can look at things like Rugers and Kahr CWs and CMs.

Out of all of those I like the Ruger SR9c best.

Or you could start out with something inexpensive but good for training in 22lr like a S&W 22A for a pistol or a Marlin 60 for a rifle.

Posted by: BornLib at February 02, 2013 06:59 PM (zpNwC)

321 You should read and disseminate our letter...it can be found at professional soldiers dot com.

Protecting the Second Amendment – Why all Americans Should Be Concerned



We are current or former Army Reserve, National Guard, and active duty
US Army Special Forces soldiers (Green Berets). We have all taken an
oath to “...support and defend the Constitution of the United States
against all enemies foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith
and allegiance to the same.…” The Constitution of the United States is
without a doubt the single greatest document in the history of mankind,
codifying the fundamental principle of governmental power and authority
being derived from and granted through the consent of the governed. Our
Constitution established a system of governance that preserves,
protects, and holds sacrosanct the individual rights and primacy of the
governed as well as providing for the explicit protection of the
governed from governmental tyranny and/or oppression. We have witnessed
the insidious and iniquitous effects of tyranny and oppression on people
all over the world. We and our forebears have embodied and personified
our organizational motto, De Oppresso Liber [To Free the Oppressed], for
more than a half century as we have fought, shed blood, and died in the
pursuit of freedom for the oppressed.


It is much longer.

Blue
Nous Defions

Posted by: blue at February 02, 2013 07:41 PM (T0P22)

322 Regarding a question WAY back in this thread about popping groundhogs/squirrels:
I live in the country, and have vineyards and pastures to protect from those nasty little bastards - ground squirrels. The 10/22 is the basic tool - with none of that aftermarket pimping out horseshit. It rides with me on the tractor, and out to 70 yards that is a dead squirrel. When I get serious - which is about once a week in the Spring - I pull out a .17hmr. I'm not a believer in the latest and greatest, and was dubious about this caliber, but that sumbitch will flat will flat out drive tacks out to 150 yards. Just hold on fur and squeeze. The impact is unreal on the little bastards.

Posted by: outhere at February 02, 2013 09:04 PM (unRib)

323 The kindest thing I can think of is that maybe he thinks that the fully automatic machine guns that everyone has in all of his movies are available to buy.

("fully automatic machine guns" has to be said in the voice of the emperor saying "fully functional battle station"... or whatever that quote is.)

Posted by: Synova at February 02, 2013 09:27 PM (7/PU+)

324
Joined the NRA just now. Thanks for giving me the push.
This will make my husband and childrens' heads explode. ;-)

Posted by: Teri at February 02, 2013 09:44 PM (2cu/g)

325 I'm for 12 gauge pumps for home defense, but as someone upthread mentioned, they require practice--just like any other gun.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at February 03, 2013 05:27 PM (JQuNB)






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