Bad, Shocking News: Scarborough Just Doesn't Like These Damn Republican Clowns

Joe Scarborough continues his self-flattery about "raising the discourse" (while simultaneously running a show that's heavy on insults and low attacks) mourning the fact that Republicans weren't nice to Hagel and didn't ask him questions in the "right" way, a respectful way.

No, I'm not exaggerating. His problem is that they weren't sufficiently nice.

The gap between the man you'd like to be and the man you actually are can be made up, in a pinch, with pious declarations and self-flatteries. It helps, however, to have a dumb parrot-ginch sitting next to you who can chirp & coo one word babytalk non-sentences ("oh," "yeah," "mmmm") in between the gaps in your own words.

That really adds a lot. Imagine if you had a cooing parrotginch who would fill in every quarter-second pause in your speech with a soothing, motherly babytalk "mmm" or "yeaahhh" or "oohhh." You've got yourself an interstitial Amen Chorus right there.

From Newsbusters. Video below.

Update: White House blames Chuck Hagel's shambolic performance... on Republican hecklers.

Demand: I will never do another podcast ever again, except on this condition:

That the audioguy for the show records a bunch of Mika Brezinsy's babytalk cooings and chirplings and puts them on a soundboard. Then, when I talk, the engineer must play those soundcues in the microgaps in my speech.

I want nothing but a steady chirping of affirmative "mmm's" and "ohhhh's" and "right's." For every damn thing I say. When I talk about taking a poop, I want Mika right there, praising me with an "oooh" warble.

I will not do a podcast until I am guaranteed these terms.

These are my demands. My balls are in your court.


Posted by: Ace at 01:06 PM



Comments

1 Hey, Chuck, road trip to the Dominican?

Posted by: Senator "Throb" at February 01, 2013 01:08 PM (FcR7P)

2 First

Posted by: Soylent greens cold dead hand at February 01, 2013 01:09 PM (bQMb4)

3 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 01, 2013 01:09 PM (/eBe8)

4 I saw ol' Joe this morning. Refuses to say Ted Cruz' name.

I don't even know why I check Morning Joe out. Pegs my rage meter off the wall.

Not a functioning brain cell on the show, and you can feel the smug indignation through the television.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 01, 2013 01:09 PM (UOM48)

5 BREAKING: Scott Brown Wont Run For Kerrys Senate Seat

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 01, 2013 01:09 PM (8sCoq)

6 When you can't answer the question, attack the questioner.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 01, 2013 01:10 PM (9Bj8R)

7 Maybe Hagel is just a diversion...like Susan Rice.

Barky apparently wanted Kerry all along, for Sec of State.

Posted by: wheatie at February 01, 2013 01:10 PM (BZMZX)

8 Scarredburro is just jealous because Cruz is another man who made Mika involuntarily exclaim "Oh God".

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 01, 2013 01:10 PM (Y4+2O)

9 yet I still see folks on our side saying JS is a Conservative. WTHU

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 01, 2013 01:10 PM (uhftQ)

10 Andrea Mitchell:

It was painful to watch.

___________

Yes--but not for the reasons you think.

Posted by: tasker at February 01, 2013 01:10 PM (r2PLg)

11 Hey, CAC, didja see that Scott Brown isn't going to run? So the R's are high and dry in Mass; not that they weren't before his decision...

Posted by: RushBabe at February 01, 2013 01:11 PM (tQHzJ)

12 Prediction. This guy gets confirmed. Poor Israel. It's almost like there's something to this Biblical prophecy.

Posted by: Lady in Black at February 01, 2013 01:11 PM (ATdet)

13 Ted Cruz looked worse.



That's why you're on MSNBC, Joe.

Posted by: RWC at February 01, 2013 01:11 PM (fWAjv)

14 Whatever happened with the mystery of Joe's dead staffer and his subsequent divorce?

Just asking questions...

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 01, 2013 01:11 PM (UOM48)

15 To sum up, Joe thinks we need to treat Hagel as if he were a special-needs child.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 01, 2013 01:11 PM (T0NGe)

16 Ginch. Sort of an unearned compliment in this case...

Posted by: M. Murcek at February 01, 2013 01:11 PM (GJUgF)

17 Conservatives are responsible for everything bad from 1492 to date.

Got it

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 01, 2013 01:12 PM (8sCoq)

18 Joe thinks that because Hagel hasn't had a dead female aide found in his office, that makes him a stand up guy.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 01, 2013 01:12 PM (Y4+2O)

19 You know, a couple of years ago I participated in a "Citizen's Congress" exercise with Joe Barton and several of his constituents. I think it would be good for some of these pols to do a "Citizen's Confirmation Hearing."

Then they'd really see "uncivil."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 01, 2013 01:12 PM (/eBe8)

20 Joe thinks that because Hagel hasn't had a dead female aide found in his office, that makes him a stand up guy.

Speaking of which, wasn't Joe a good friend of Gary Condit?

Posted by: AmishDude at February 01, 2013 01:13 PM (T0NGe)

21 Also anyone *shocked* by Hagels' performance either didn't give a damn about the wars in Afghanistan and/or Iraq--or found him to be useful.

He has been this --muddled--for a very long time now.

Posted by: tasker at February 01, 2013 01:13 PM (r2PLg)

22 I like Joe but when Republicans agree with Obama he said they are caving and not true conservatives and when they are against Obama then they are "out of touch".

He is just a contrarian.

Posted by: Ron at February 01, 2013 01:13 PM (c/gnk)

23 And then there's Donny Douche. Smug and stupid off the charts.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 01, 2013 01:13 PM (UOM48)

24 Anyone else having trouble loading Drudge?

Posted by: Methos at February 01, 2013 01:13 PM (hO9ad)

25 I don't even know why I check Morning Joe out. Pegs my rage meter off the wall.

Asked. Answered.

It gets your blood flowing.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 01, 2013 01:14 PM (/eBe8)

26 Imagine if you had a cooing parrotginch who would fill in every
quarter-second pause in your speech with a soothing, motherly babytalk
"mmm" or "yeaahhh" or "oohhh."



GET ON UP!!!!

Posted by: James Brown at February 01, 2013 01:14 PM (GQ8sn)

27 my favorite line of response has been reading some paleocon bloggers whine that the GOP was too fixated on Israel in the hearing. the irony of saying this seems to be lost on them

Posted by: JDP at February 01, 2013 01:15 PM (60GaT)

28 >>>conservatives are responsible for everything bad from 1492 to date.
Got it

Well with their logic, I'm sure Bush was to blame for the fall or the Roman Empire, and the Dark Ages.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 01, 2013 01:15 PM (0q2P7)

29 I'm not saying it's the truth, but didn't Joe kill a female staffer in his office?

Not that it's the truth, of course, but he could have killed a female staffer in his office? Right?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 01, 2013 01:15 PM (UOM48)

30 Heh, Carney thought he did well. I watched a re-run of the Senate hearing. Even on the innocuous questions he seemed lost. I'm thinking pain medication ala Rick Perry.

Posted by: Amalgamated Cliff Divers, Local 157 at February 01, 2013 01:15 PM (Ph479)

31 nevermind, seems one of my bookmarks got fouled up somehow

Posted by: Methos at February 01, 2013 01:15 PM (hO9ad)

32 29 I'm not saying it's the truth, but didn't Joe kill a female staffer in his office?

Not that it's the truth, of course, but he could have killed a female staffer in his office? Right?

---

That's a vicious lie, just like the one that I killed five hookers while I was at SMU. There's no evidence to prove that I killed five hookers while I was at SMU, so I don't see why everybody claims that I killed five hookers while at SMU.

Posted by: Craig James at February 01, 2013 01:16 PM (e0xKF)

33 Lemme get this straight...

Scarborough is upset that a potential Secretary of Defense can't handle a little rough questioning????

What. The Fuck

Hey! No fighting in the War room! SecDef has tender feelings!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at February 01, 2013 01:16 PM (sbV1u)

34
Dumb scrunty parrotginch or not, I'd still make Mika "mmm" or "yeaahhh" or "oohhh." for the finest 3 1/2 minutes of her meaningless little life.

Posted by: Jaws at February 01, 2013 01:17 PM (4I3Uo)

35 I love it when these pompous assholes talk about respect.


Remember all that warm, glowing respect the Tea Party received from the media.


Dubya was well respected as well.

//



Posted by: dananjcon at February 01, 2013 01:17 PM (jvd3N)

36 If Hagel is the sacrificial goat, bbaaaaa...

Say hello to Polly.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 01, 2013 01:17 PM (EVyWz)

37 29 I'm not saying it's the truth, but didn't Joe kill a female staffer in his office?
Not that it's the truth, of course, but he could have killed a female staffer in his office? Right?


But I'm sure that she killed in a very polite way...that is, if she was killed.

Posted by: wheatie at February 01, 2013 01:17 PM (BZMZX)

38 As God is my witness, this turkey will fly!

Posted by: The Big Guy at February 01, 2013 01:17 PM (TQaK3)

39 Sooo, it's the Republicans' fault that a (nominal) Republican bumblefucked around like an idiot on national television?

Those Republicans. What CAN'T they do?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 01, 2013 01:18 PM (4df7R)

40 To sum up, Joe thinks we need to treat Hagel as if he were a special-needs child.

Call it the Vice-Presidential Plan.

Posted by: t-bird at February 01, 2013 01:18 PM (FcR7P)

41 Sean I almost spewed soda... 'no fighting in the war room!'

Mein Fuhrer!!! I can valk!!!

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 01, 2013 01:19 PM (EVyWz)

42 Hagel seemed genuinly shocked that questions were being asked of him. Like he expected a rubber stamping or something. Total deer in the headlights.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 01, 2013 01:19 PM (l86i3)

43
I want nothing but a steady chirping of affirmative "mmm's" and "ohhhh's" and "right's."



Hang on, are you saying you'll never do another PODCAST, or you'll never do another PORNO?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 01, 2013 01:19 PM (4df7R)

44 While I respect the service of our veterans (especially front line combat soldiers), can we stop pretending that service in Vietnam 45 years ago makes people like Chuck Hagel, John McCain, and John Kerry experts on current military / defense policy?

Hagel having served as an Sergeant in Vietnam- noble though it was- is about as relevant to today's national security challenges as 1960's telephone switchboard operator is to Internet policy.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 01, 2013 01:19 PM (SY2Kh)

45 Joe reminds me of a Kapo - he, asa supposed Republican, allows the progressive power structure to bash and blame all the other Republicans for everything. I am proud to say I have not watch him since last May. No once. Not one single time.

Posted by: Janetoo at February 01, 2013 01:20 PM (/TVdO)

46 I mean, I'm not saying I know for sure Joe Scarborough killed a female staff, after raping her repeatedly, just like none of us know for sure that Harry Reid is a pederast.

So if Joe Scarborough really is a vicious rapist/murderer, that would be shocking, right?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 01, 2013 01:20 PM (UOM48)

47 To sum up, Joe thinks we need to treat Hagel as if he were a special-needs child.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 01, 2013 01:11 PM (T0NGe)


Not surprising seeing that Hagel's boss is one.

Posted by: Berserker at February 01, 2013 01:20 PM (FMbng)

48 OSP, I think Hagel expected a nice sociable coffee clatch. Instead he found himself the center act for one of Nero's little parties.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 01, 2013 01:20 PM (EVyWz)

49 I don't even know why I check Morning Joe out. Pegs my rage meter off the wall.

Asked. Answered.

It gets your blood flowing.


So does fapping. But without the resultant blood pressure spike.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 01, 2013 01:20 PM (GFM2b)

50 EVERYTHING I'VE SAID IS BEING TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXTTTTT

Posted by: Chuck "Nuance" Hagel at February 01, 2013 01:20 PM (60GaT)

51
>>My balls are in your court.<<

I thought they were in my trash?

Posted by: Marco Rubio at February 01, 2013 01:21 PM (A3wg9)

52
parrot-ginch sitting next to you who can chirp coo one word babytalk non-sentences

my parrot-ginch (aka wife) says shit like 'are you out of your damn mind' and 'they will never find your body'
I must be doing it wrong

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 01, 2013 01:22 PM (qSIZ1)

53 Mein Fuhrer!!! I can valk!!! Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 01, 2013 01:19 PM (EVyWz)

Senator Hagel, I am concerned that if you are confirmed that you lack the intestinal fortitude required to help American men retain their essence. After all, it is the purity of our bodily fluids which made this nation great

Please address my concerns.

Posted by: Buck Turgidson (R-SC) Gen. USAF (Ret) at February 01, 2013 01:22 PM (sbV1u)

54 Listening to Hagel made me fell reassured that obama has our best interests at heart. Oh that and the fact that he is sending plugs Biden to negotiate with Russia our surrender of most our nukes... Makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside doesn't it?

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at February 01, 2013 01:22 PM (9+ccr)

55 Joe is jealous over the size of Ted Cruz' balls. And that Cruz actually has balls. It's rumored that Mika keeps Joe's balls in her purse.

I wonder if Mika suspects Joe Scarborough is a murderer?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 01, 2013 01:22 PM (UOM48)

56 The dumbest president ever appointed Rumsfeld and Gates.

The smartest president ever is nominating Hagel.

And by "smartest president ever" I mean Obama is "scarecrow smart".

Posted by: Mikey NTH - there on Thunder Island! at February 01, 2013 01:22 PM (hLRSq)

57
29 I'm not saying it's the truth, but didn't Joe kill a female staffer in his office?
Not that it's the truth, of course, but he could have killed a female staffer in his office? Right?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 01, 2013 01:15 PM (UOM4


You obviously have not heard of the historic Serial Pederast / Dead Staffer Accord between Harry Reid and Joe Scarborough, have you? Quick summation: "You don't shit in my nest and I'll not shit in yours."

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at February 01, 2013 01:22 PM (Jcd0S)

58 Shit.... just think of how this guy would be talked to if the Moron Horde could question him!

Mr. Hagel? Are you an actual supporter of Islam? or is it that you just hate the Jews?

Mr. Hagel? Would you submit to an IQ test?

Mr. Hagel? Why are you even here when you didn't bother to give this commitee the documents we asked you for pre Hearing? Is it your position that you are above the Power of Congress?

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 01, 2013 01:23 PM (lZBBB)

59 Scott Brown can go F himself.

Posted by: SamIam at February 01, 2013 01:23 PM (S09w5)

60
my parrot-ginch (aka wife) says shit like


Wow. Eithershe is away, or you have finally embraced the DOOM.

Posted by: garrett at February 01, 2013 01:23 PM (A3wg9)

61

Would you like a rainbow or unicorn bandaid for that booboo, Joe?

Posted by: BS filter set on LOUD at February 01, 2013 01:23 PM (LpQbZ)

62
I love the smell of Christie/Scarborough in the morning. It smells like...Teddy.

Posted by: Plastic Rino at February 01, 2013 01:24 PM (NFVkx)

63 And by "smartest president ever" I mean Obama is "scarecrow smart".


Posted by: Mikey NTH - there on Thunder Island! at February 01, 2013 01:22 PM (hLRSq)


Hey now.... thats downright insulting!

Posted by: The Scarecrow at February 01, 2013 01:24 PM (lZBBB)

64 Well shit. We're losing all the hard core conservatives lately. First Crist, then Christie now Scarborough? It's not so much the sudden shift in principle, it's really that I never saw it coming.

Posted by: Heralder at February 01, 2013 01:24 PM (+xmn4)

65 I was reading reader's comments (Washington Post) on an article about Hagel's dismal performance. In typical liberal fashion a lot of the comments were about how "Mean" and "Rude" the R's were.
These people (I won't call them my fellow Americans anymore) are so deluded and clueless. Hagel doesn't know what the job entails and it showed. And of course he will be confirmed.

Posted by: Cheri at February 01, 2013 01:24 PM (G+Wff)

66 I mean, I'm not saying I know for sure Joe Scarborough killed a female staff, after raping her repeatedly, just like none of us know for sure that Harry Reid is a pederast.


You're right, of course. It would be the kind of smear to imply that Joe Scarborough raped and murdered a female staffer when there's no evidence to prove it. I think the most respectful way to counteract these vicious rumors would be to give Scarborough the opportunity to refute them publically. The next time he's in a location with a live audience, we should make sure to have someone there who will ask him about the rumor and allow him to reaffirm his good name.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 01, 2013 01:25 PM (4df7R)

67 I wonder if Mika suspects Joe Scarborough is a murderer?


Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 01, 2013 01:22 PM (UOM4


I think that's the only thing about sitting next to Joe that makes her moist since he obviously doesn't hate Jooooos as much as her POS father.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 01, 2013 01:25 PM (Y4+2O)

68 ....mourning the fact that Republicans weren't nice to Hagel and didn't ask him questions in the "right" way, a respectful way .

No, I'm not exaggerating. His problem is that they were nice and cordial.



I missed something there.

Posted by: eleven at February 01, 2013 01:25 PM (fsLdt)

69 Having reviewed the legislation and given the time constraints, it is our conclusion that there is no possible way any normal person could have read the entire bill and understood its implications prior to voting on it. They most certainly could not have requested and received the input of their constituency and considered their opinions in the matter which is the most basic tenet of a representative government. The entire process was one of secrecy and of intentional withholding of information from the public. We condemn this in the harshest terms. Had there been an opportunity for the public to exercise their right to be involved in the legislative process prior to the bill being voted upon, We would have offered a letter of opposition. Instead, we find ourselves in the rather unique position of opposing legislation after it has been passed. Our membership believes we were denied one of the most basic rights of a democracy by this process and we cannot and will not accept this type of behavior from our elected officials.

Posted by: Charles E. Fuller at February 01, 2013 01:25 PM (e8kgV)

70 I had this military history professor his specialty was Germany.

I was going to put down his saying here without even remembering the context--but ironically the context was--

anti-semetism.


I wish I could remember it more directly.

Anyways--

"The watchers" will no longer discuss the facts--and anyone trying to get to the truth--they will sit on the sidelines and--

critique--your style.

That applies here.

They don't care about discussing the facts--or the performance of the main actor--the future Secretary of Defense--they focus on the style of some of the bit players.

Posted by: tasker at February 01, 2013 01:25 PM (r2PLg)

71 Joe Scarborough is a disgrace. I consider him worse than many other Quislings because he has a larger venue.

He should be sued for false advertising for his claim of being a Republican.

But he knows that's his only value to MSNBC, so I hope he has a place next in line with Ted Kennedy on the barbed cock of Satan.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at February 01, 2013 01:25 PM (3E2th)

72 I have to object to this foul mis-characterization. Of parrots, that is. The little buggers are actually pretty smart. Mika, on the other hand, is just another example of DC media nepotism.

On the one hand, yes, her father was the brains of the Carter administration's foreign policy. On the other hand, her father was the brains of theCarter administration's foreign policy, so that's a dis-qualifier right there.

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at February 01, 2013 01:26 PM (DLu2s)

73 Mr. Scarborough will find out sooner or later that no matter how much he fan dances for the communists, he is their enemy.

Just like McCain, his tawdry past will always be held as blackmail against him.

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at February 01, 2013 01:26 PM (KQ53P)

74 Hmmm.... wait... does that make Heartless Valerie Jarret, the Tin Woodsdyke?

And of course.... our War Hero Sec of State the Cowardly Lion?

Obama the Wicked Witch? With all his Flying Drone Monkies?

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 01, 2013 01:26 PM (lZBBB)

75 Oops-

anti-semitism.

oy.

Posted by: tasker at February 01, 2013 01:26 PM (r2PLg)

76 Scarborough is just an obnoxious David "The Crease That Made Me Come" Brooks, the latter of which was on Hugh Hewitt yesterday talk about his conservative creds. I couldn't bear more than 30 seconds of his voice.

Posted by: eureka! at February 01, 2013 01:26 PM (HPRku)

77 In the future everyone will have there own parrot-ginch for fifteen minutes.

Posted by: eleven at February 01, 2013 01:26 PM (fsLdt)

78 Scarborough is upset that a potential Secretary of Defense can't handle a little rough questioning????

No. Scarborough is upset that there is at least one actual (or at least: apparent) conservative on the committee, and the others are having to play the conservative game as a result.

These are my demands. My balls are in your court.

What if Ted Cruz offered you an exclusive interview, but only if you'd podcast it?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 01, 2013 01:26 PM (/eBe8)

79 Scarborough isn't there to bring in conservative viewers. He's there to delight MSNBS's liberal coven as a GOP-hating GOP'er, and he knows it.

Posted by: zsasz at February 01, 2013 01:27 PM (MMC8r)

80 Do I dare google for "parrot-ginch"?

Posted by: toby928 for TB at February 01, 2013 01:27 PM (QupBk)

81 did Scarborough repeat unfounded slander about anyone, a la Reid? if not i don't get the jokes, seem petty.

Posted by: JDP at February 01, 2013 01:28 PM (60GaT)

82 OT: Scott Brown not running for Senate according to Boston Herald.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 01, 2013 01:28 PM (74T7W)

83
60 away
so its dennys for all meals and the beast will be in charge

I have an 11yo babysitter
yay me

Posted by: navycopjoe at February 01, 2013 01:28 PM (qSIZ1)

84 70...They don't care about discussing the facts--or the performance of the main actor--the future Secretary of Defense--they focus on the style of some of the bit players.

Yeah, tasker...
Because, of course all our enemies will be very polite to him!

Posted by: wheatie at February 01, 2013 01:28 PM (BZMZX)

85 Senator Hagel- Could you please describe what you've accomplished in the last 20 years that make you uniquely qualified to serve as Sec Def?

Served in 'Nam? Nope- that was 44 years ago.
Deputy Administrator for the VA? Nope- that was 30 years ago.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 01, 2013 01:28 PM (SY2Kh)

86 I thought ace's balls were in rubio's garbage? Or maybe they're in Ted Cruz's now since Rubio is digging shamnesty II, the fsa embiggening.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at February 01, 2013 01:28 PM (scc01)

87 toby928, why bother. Just look in previous thread for jwest. There is a parrot.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 01, 2013 01:28 PM (EVyWz)

88 Joe Scarborough is a disgrace. I consider him worse than many other Quislings because he has a larger venue.



By "larger venue" you're talking about MSNBC. I hate the squishy cocksucker because he gives a forum to that wheezy fuck Pat Buchanan, who also supports Chuck "Final Solution" Hagel in a *shocking* turn of events. I'm sure Mika likes Pat though...

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 01, 2013 01:29 PM (Y4+2O)

89 That Mika is a juicy piece of work.

Posted by: The guy that cleans the chairs at NBC at February 01, 2013 01:29 PM (i7B17)

90 I think Mika used to be a man.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at February 01, 2013 01:29 PM (vg8iE)

91 God. We're still paying for Viet Nam 50 years later.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at February 01, 2013 01:29 PM (3E2th)

92 Joe Scarborough, Mainstream Republican.

Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at February 01, 2013 01:29 PM (QKKT0)

93 What do you suppose MSDNC pays Mika the parrot ginch for nodding her head, making faces, and uttering, "yeah...hmmm....really?....wow" all morning.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 01, 2013 01:29 PM (UOM48)

94
In the future everyone will have there own parrot-ginch for fifteen minutes.


You get your parrot-ginch FREE with purchase of your Popeil Pocket Fisherman!
Additional shipping costs apply.

Posted by: RonCo at February 01, 2013 01:29 PM (A3wg9)

95 "Scarborough, Menendez Reid" LLC


"When plain ol' creepy just isn't enough"

Posted by: dananjcon at February 01, 2013 01:29 PM (jvd3N)

96 Ugh, this guy is such a pandering douche.

Posted by: David Frum at February 01, 2013 01:30 PM (+lsX1)

97
Republicans are the Blue Meanies!!!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at February 01, 2013 01:30 PM (Jcd0S)

98 OK. FSA? I googled - there are like 5.

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at February 01, 2013 01:30 PM (KQ53P)

99 So the kids are calling that a court now. Interesting.

Posted by: gigg at February 01, 2013 01:30 PM (41VCE)

100 76
Scarborough is just an obnoxious David "The Crease That Made Me Come"
Brooks, the latter of which was on Hugh Hewitt yesterday talk about his
conservative creds. I couldn't bear more than 30 seconds of his voice.


Hewitt does that to annoy his listeners. He's the guy who always gives air time to Buzzfeed Ben Smith.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at February 01, 2013 01:30 PM (gA69l)

101 Just like McCain, his tawdry past will always be held as blackmail against him.
Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at February 01, 2013 01:26 PM (KQ53P)



I'm sorry, by "tawdry past" are you referring to the charge that Joe Scarborough raped and murdered a female staffer years ago? Because it is low, underhanded tactic to imply that a fine man like Joe Scarborough would brutally rape and murder an innocent young woman in an effort to bolster his weak manhood. It is our duty to refute this rumor everywhere it arises, and even more so to go to places where it hasn't yet been heard and deny it before it even rears its ugly head!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 01, 2013 01:30 PM (4df7R)

102 When you can't answer the question, attack the questioner.

You presume facts not yet in evidence.

Does Hagel have enough brain cells to attack the questioner? If he does, he's hiding them well.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at February 01, 2013 01:30 PM (kqqGm)

103 92
Joe Scarborough, Mainstream Republican and murderer (or so I've heard).

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 01, 2013 01:30 PM (UOM48)

104 Why is it that only Supreme Court justices get mugged and beat up? Why are the media denied?

Posted by: @PurpAv at February 01, 2013 01:31 PM (kTuVz)

105 Well, I consider that MSNBC is a larger venue than say Piers Morgans show or Solong O'Brian's last gig.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at February 01, 2013 01:31 PM (3E2th)

106 Joe Scarborough, Mainstream Republican.

And Geraldo Rivera.

Posted by: eleven at February 01, 2013 01:31 PM (fsLdt)

107 In the future everyone will have there own parrot-ginch for fifteen minutes.


You get your parrot-ginch FREE with purchase of your Popeil Pocket Fisherman!Additional shipping costs apply.


Posted by: RonCo at February 01, 2013 01:29 PM (A3wg9)

You didn't make that Parrot Ginch!

Posted by: Barracky Obama.... who has Parrot Cxars at February 01, 2013 01:31 PM (lZBBB)

108 No offense but shouldn't the head of the DoD be able to take some harsh questioning, and even if you wanted to confirm him shouldn't that opportunity be taken to see if he can handle it?

Maybe I live in bizarro world, and in the real world these picks are made not due to competence or any ability to do the job but simple cronyism.

Posted by: Mr Pink at February 01, 2013 01:31 PM (ZpbtX)

109 The only time I want to hear those sounds is when I am petting Mika's cat.

Posted by: Marcus at February 01, 2013 01:31 PM (GGCsk)

110
60 away


Oh, I didn't need confirmation.

Denny's -Do they serve Poi?

Posted by: garrett at February 01, 2013 01:31 PM (A3wg9)

111 Hagel lacks the hat and the cattle to be much of anything beyond a puppet.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 01, 2013 01:31 PM (EVyWz)

112 Joe Scarborough, Mainstream Republican.


Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at February 01, 2013 01:29 PM (QKKT0)

I kind a like him, he's like vanilla ice cream. I like vanilla ice cream.

Posted by: Chris Christie at February 01, 2013 01:31 PM (jvd3N)

113 OK. FSA? I googled - there are like 5.

First: You googled something from the HQ? How did you not loose 1D8 Sanity?

Second: Free Shit Army.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 01, 2013 01:31 PM (/eBe8)

114 HAHAH Cruz looked worse. LOL they cannot be serious. The guy is becoming a rock star.

Posted by: gigg at February 01, 2013 01:32 PM (41VCE)

115 Personally I think it's disgusting people get cushy media jobs just because their parents were big whoops in the government. What happened to meritocracy??

Posted by: Chelsea Clinton at February 01, 2013 01:32 PM (DLu2s)

116 Well shit. We're losing all the hard core conservatives lately. First Crist, then Christie now Scarborough? It's not so much the sudden shift in principle, it's really that I never saw it coming.
Posted by: Heralder
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Sudden? Missing a sarc tag?

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 01, 2013 01:32 PM (uhftQ)

117 Joe Scarborough is a Gibbering Mouther? Who knew.

Posted by: Stu-22 at February 01, 2013 01:32 PM (AiYlm)

118 The only time I want to hear those sounds is when I am petting Mika's cat.


Posted by: Marcus at February 01, 2013 01:31 PM (GGCsk)

ISWYDT

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at February 01, 2013 01:32 PM (MmH0Z)

119 Rumsfeld should have force choked Hagel from his hidden lair.

Apology accepted, Senator.

Posted by: toby928 for TB at February 01, 2013 01:33 PM (QupBk)

120 93What do you suppose MSDNC pays Mika the parrot ginch for nodding her head, making faces, and uttering, "yeah...hmmm....really?....wow" all morning.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 01, 2013 01:29 PM (UOM4


Pay? No, there is no pay. They only need to supply her joints with fresh oil and keep those human-like behavioral algorithms working and she's ready to go.

Posted by: Heralder at February 01, 2013 01:33 PM (+xmn4)

121 Read Peggy Noonan's column in the WSJ today Ace. It's about the NRO Summit and how Scarborough is some kind of reasonable mainstream person we need to listen to.

In other words; it's great comedy.

Posted by: Marcus at February 01, 2013 01:33 PM (GGCsk)

122 Joe and Mika both said "Oh God" during this segment.

We would like to apologize to our viewers who were understandably offended by these blatant displays of religiosity. In the future we will employ a 7-second delay so that our viewers will not be subjected to such offensive statements again.

We are deeply sorry.

Posted by: PhilGriffon at February 01, 2013 01:33 PM (7ObY1)

123 Posted by: Mr Pink at February 01, 2013 01:31 PM (ZpbtX)

Yeah.... can you see this guy sitting at the head of the Table, of the Joint Chiefs of Staff??? A bunch of GENERALS and ADMIRALS?

Chum, in the water....

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 01, 2013 01:33 PM (lZBBB)

124 84 70...They don't care about discussing the facts--or the performance of the main actor--the future Secretary of Defense--they focus on the style of some of the bit players.

Yeah, tasker...
Because, of course all our enemies will be very polite to him!
Posted by: wheatie at February 01, 2013 01:28 PM (BZMZX)

_________________

I could put the anti-semitism aside .

What is going to matter even two years from now-

Ted Cruz's demeanor or--how the Secretary of Defense thinks.

History might not even remember much about Ted Cruz but a weak Secretary of Defense could make mistakes that last a lifetime.

Posted by: tasker at February 01, 2013 01:33 PM (r2PLg)

125 104 Why is it that only Supreme Court justices get mugged and beat up? Why are the media denied?

Because the media are armed with...'assault mouths'?

Posted by: wheatie at February 01, 2013 01:33 PM (BZMZX)

126 "I want nothing but a steady chirping of affirmative "mmm's" and "ohhhh's" and "right's." For every damn thing I say. "

I'm surprised there isn't an app for that.

Posted by: FridayKarmaDump at February 01, 2013 01:34 PM (H44Q3)

127 so he done got "borked"?

Posted by: seaniep at February 01, 2013 01:34 PM (mHol2)

128 Personally I think it's disgusting people get cushy media jobs just
because their parents were big whoops in the government. What happened
to meritocracy??


I know, right? Really chaps MY ass!

Posted by: Chris Cuomo at February 01, 2013 01:34 PM (DLu2s)

129
"When I said that one of my favorite things to do was to score a couple of 8-balls of blow and some tranny hookers and go on a weekend bender with Charlie Sheen, what I meant was that I enjoy going to my Bible study group once a week."

-Chuck Hagel

Posted by: Marmo at February 01, 2013 01:34 PM (QW+AD)

130 You know, this Menendez thing might be the perfect occasion for Ace to resurrect the Top Ten.

Posted by: garrett at February 01, 2013 01:34 PM (A3wg9)

131 I would still do Mika.. but only from behind.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at February 01, 2013 01:34 PM (f9c2L)

132 Joe ScarbRINO and Mike Communiski are clearly raaaaacist against Latinos.

Posted by: BlueStateRepub at February 01, 2013 01:34 PM (7ObY1)

133 Joe Scarborough, Mainstream Republican and murderer (or so I've heard).


Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 01, 2013 01:30 PM (UOM4


Dear God, if we could get that trending on Twitter it would have more entertainment value than the Super Bowl imo.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 01, 2013 01:35 PM (Y4+2O)

134 121
Read Peggy Noonan's column in the WSJ today Ace. It's about the NRO
Summit and how Scarborough is some kind of reasonable mainstream person
we need to listen to.

In other words; it's great comedy.




What a twit. How does she type and service TFG at the same time?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 01, 2013 01:35 PM (UOM48)

135 91 God. We're still paying for Viet Nam 50 years later.
Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka Ol' 3 tooth) at February 01, 2013 01:29 PM (3E2th)

______________________

Yep.

Posted by: tasker at February 01, 2013 01:36 PM (r2PLg)

136 All that's left, Joe, is our friendship.

Posted by: Tom Hagen at February 01, 2013 01:36 PM (QKKT0)

137 i thought Graham did the best job of eviscerating Hagel.

he seems to define "realism" as generic neutrality regardless of the conflict. i.e., chalking up the early '00s intifada to impersonal forces in Israel and the territories "not of their making."

Posted by: JDP at February 01, 2013 01:36 PM (60GaT)

138 116Well shit. We're losing all the hard core conservatives lately. First Crist, then Christie now Scarborough? It's not so much the sudden shift in principle, it's really that I never saw it coming.
Posted by: Heralder
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Sudden? Missing a sarc tag?Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 01, 2013 01:32 PM (uhftQ)


I didn't think I needed it. Guess I was wrong!

Posted by: Heralder at February 01, 2013 01:36 PM (+xmn4)

139 Romeo13, remember the term 'captured by the system.' My question is, would the generals and admirals want to capture Hagel?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 01, 2013 01:36 PM (EVyWz)

140 Hey, you guys made fun of Rumsfeld for his 'known unknowns' thing; now I come out and admit pretty much everything is an unknown to me, and you're squawking! No pleasing you! What are you, Jewish or something??

Posted by: Chuck Hagel at February 01, 2013 01:37 PM (DLu2s)

141 >What a twit. How does she type and service TFG at the same time? <

I only read in Jane because it's wise to know what the opposition thinks.

Oh, wait...

Posted by: Marcus at February 01, 2013 01:37 PM (GGCsk)

142 130 You know, this Menendez thing might be the perfect occasion for Ace to resurrect the Top Ten.
Posted by: garrett at February 01, 2013 01:34 PM (A3wg9)

________________

Thanks to Ace last night I went to bed having nightmares about the boy band--Menudo.

Posted by: tasker at February 01, 2013 01:37 PM (r2PLg)

143
I guess Joe and Mika "Goo-Goo Doll" Brezwhatever expected the hearing's participants to be handed a Denny's menu and a Crayola 8-pack and they'd then compete to determine who could best color between the lines.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at February 01, 2013 01:37 PM (Jcd0S)

144 I look at Mika, I see a 12-year old boy with big silicone funbags. Which skeeves me out.

I'm not getting the Mika-is-hot thing at all.

Posted by: BlueStateRepub at February 01, 2013 01:37 PM (7ObY1)

145
Hey, don't be dissing Mika.

She rolls her eyes and sighs every time Sarah Palin's name is mentioned.

Posted by: jwest at February 01, 2013 01:37 PM (ZDsRL)

146 130 You know, this Menendez thing might be the perfect occasion for Ace to resurrect the Top Ten.

Posted by: garrett at February 01, 2013 01:34 PM (A3wg9)

Didn't the last one end in an almost "Infamous Memorial Day Thread" style comment section?

Posted by: Cold Rage at February 01, 2013 01:37 PM (3hTJW)

147 Read Peggy Noonan's column in the WSJ today Ace.
It's about the NRO Summit and how Scarborough is some kind of reasonable
mainstream person we need to listen to.

In other words; it's great comedy.


Posted by: Marcus at February 01, 2013 01:33 PM (GGCsk)


Drunk Before Noonan's obviously trying to pimp one of the few tv shows that dare expose how different her real face looks to that archival high contrast thing that Rupert uses to illustrate her dead tree articles.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 01, 2013 01:38 PM (Y4+2O)

148 My balls are in your court.


The EPA may have something to say about that.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows where thou concealest thy r0n at February 01, 2013 01:38 PM (Lxw+T)

149 She rolls her eyes and sighs every time Sarah Palin's name is mentioned.


It makes her tiny head hurt.

Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at February 01, 2013 01:38 PM (QKKT0)

150 I would still do Mika.. but only from behind.

Do you mean, behind, or behind?

Posted by: Whoopi at February 01, 2013 01:38 PM (kqqGm)

151 Joe is a republican like Geraldo is. A couple of media douche bags and liberal.

Posted by: Cheri at February 01, 2013 01:38 PM (G+Wff)

152 I'm not getting the Mika-is-hot thing at all.

Still above room temperature is sufficient for the horde.

Posted by: toby928 for TB at February 01, 2013 01:39 PM (QupBk)

153 mmmm oooooh yeahhhh, ace

Posted by: Bigby's Cold Dead Hands at February 01, 2013 01:39 PM (59O/k)

154 So Joe decided He doesn't feel any need to stand on the side of America?
He is advocating for a man that went t Al Jazeera (a friendly media !) and shot bullets at America. A Man that comforts the ideology of those that espouse hate and destruction of Americans that attacked american Citizens a decade ago??

So Hagel fuels their hate and wants to be SOD of american citizens?


thanks Hagel, and you Joe, nice to know you are there for us average joes.

nothing like aiding and comforting going on.

Posted by: ette at February 01, 2013 01:39 PM (nqBYe)

155 Politicoo-coo reports the NBC news director is leaving, fails to mention anything about NBC's editing fraud.

Commenters pound the shit out of NBC and Politicoo-coo.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 01, 2013 01:39 PM (xz0nG)

156 I'm not getting the Mika-is-hot thing at all.

She's a blond Maddow.

Posted by: zsasz at February 01, 2013 01:39 PM (MMC8r)

157 "When I said that one of my favorite things to do was to score a couple of 8-balls of blow and some tranny hookers and go on a weekend bender with Charlie Sheen, what I meant was that I enjoy going to my Bible study group once a week."-Chuck Hagel
Posted by: Marmo at February 01, 2013 01:34 PM (QW+AD)



Heh. This would be a great thing to trend on Twitter. "#HagelReallyMeant."

"When I said that Iran had a legitimate, elected government, what I really meant was I like pie."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 01, 2013 01:39 PM (4df7R)

158 Every time I hear some politician with a cushy job (especially one who hates America and our troops like John F'n Kerry or Chuck Hagel) brag about their service in Vietnam (or talked of as a "hero" for said service), I want to puke.

My dad was (is? does it count as current, if was in Vietnam?) a hero. Even before we get to his actual heroics (which he downplays), there's the fact that he volunteered for the infantry when his entrance scores could have landed him a nice, cushy REMF job. Not merely volunteered, but virtually demanded.

Somehow I doubt Chuck Hagel or Mr. Ed could say the same.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 01, 2013 01:40 PM (/eBe8)

159 Scarborwho? Is he Chris Mathew's gay lover?

Posted by: Jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at February 01, 2013 01:40 PM (+OTLF)

160 Video got pulled.

Posted by: Kristophr at February 01, 2013 01:40 PM (wYVte)

161 Did anyone ask Colon Powell about his thoughts on Hagel's testimony? That's a laugh riot just waiting to happen.

Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at February 01, 2013 01:40 PM (QKKT0)

162 98 OK. FSA? I googled - there are like 5.

Free shit army. Substitute stuff in polite company.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at February 01, 2013 01:40 PM (scc01)

163 She's a blond Maddow.

Carpet muncher?

Posted by: John P. Squibob at February 01, 2013 01:40 PM (kqqGm)

164 honestly i feel scammed , that i had thought they were republicans at the minimum and advocates for americans second.

Posted by: ette at February 01, 2013 01:41 PM (nqBYe)

165 #DidJoeScarboroughKillStaffer

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 01, 2013 01:41 PM (UOM48)

166 I'm not getting the Mika-is-hot thing at all.

You haven't seen her in a goat costume, wearing galoshes.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows where thou concealest thy r0n at February 01, 2013 01:41 PM (Lxw+T)

167 Bork = Advise and Consent

Hagel = THEY HIT CORKY!

Posted by: zsasz at February 01, 2013 01:41 PM (MMC8r)

168 I once met Ian Brzezinski, Zbig's son, at Harvard's JFK School of Government. Unpleasant guy, like his dad. Several years and some discreet but important surgery later, and I think that Ian is now Mika.

Posted by: RamonAllones at February 01, 2013 01:41 PM (3lLli)

169 Demand: I will never do another podcast ever again, except on this condition:

That the audioguy for the show records a bunch of Mika Brezinsy's babytalk cooings and chirplings and puts them on a soundboard. Then, when I talk, the engineer must play those soundcues in the microgaps in my speech.

I want nothing but a steady chirping of affirmative "mmm's" and "ohhhh's" and "right's." For every damn thing I say. When I talk about taking a poop, I want Mika right there, praising me with an "oooh" warble.

I will not do a podcast until I am guaranteed these terms.

These are my demands. My balls are in your court.

__________________

Someone make this happen.

Ace use to do podcasts?

Posted by: tasker at February 01, 2013 01:41 PM (r2PLg)

170 Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 01, 2013 01:35 PM (UOM4



Jane, be on the lookout for one of these at the show this weekend.

http://tinyurl.com/a52ucnp

Posted by: RWC at February 01, 2013 01:41 PM (fWAjv)

171 Cicero, this generic should work for Colon Bowel
http://annapuna.blogspot.com/2013/01/powells-stance.html

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 01, 2013 01:41 PM (EVyWz)

172
I'm not getting the Mika-is-hot thing at all.



She's a blond Maddow.



You jest.

Posted by: Mika's Little Black Forest at February 01, 2013 01:42 PM (QKKT0)

173 I didn't think I needed it. Guess I was wrong!
Posted by: Heralder
--------------
Sorry. Just checking. Things are so screwy these days I'm having a hard time telling who is serious anymore. Besides, we don't have sarcasm in the whale world.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 01, 2013 01:42 PM (uhftQ)

174 You too can be a hero if you shoot yourself in a fleshy non critical part of your body to get out of being on the front lines.

Just make sure you dont discuss it with other members of your platoon or it will come back to bite your ass later.

Also, if you are going to protest by throwing your medals away, dont be a douche and throw some one elses medals away that they gave you while you keep yours at him. Thats like kind of not cool if people find out that you are a fakey fake fucker

Posted by: Jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at February 01, 2013 01:42 PM (+OTLF)

175 She's a blond Maddow.

A flat-chested lesbian with a face like a tapir's anus?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 01, 2013 01:42 PM (4df7R)

176 Still above room temperature is sufficient for the horde.

If she leaves the makeup on. I fear there is some serious Couric syndrome going on underneath all that.

Posted by: eleven at February 01, 2013 01:43 PM (fsLdt)

177 Someone make this happen.

Ace use to do podcasts?

Posted by: tasker at February 01, 2013 01:41 PM (r2PLg)


Only heard him once. His voice was like Charlton Heston in Planet of the Apes but really high on weed. Kind of relaxing actually.

Posted by: Heralder at February 01, 2013 01:43 PM (+xmn4)

178

Joe Scarborough is.........Average Joe in
Return of the Ewok!

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at February 01, 2013 01:43 PM (RFeQD)

179 >>>Only heard him once. His voice was like Charlton Heston in Planet of the Apes but really high on weed. Kind of relaxing actually.

mmm

Posted by: Joe's Chripy Parrot at February 01, 2013 01:43 PM (LCRYB)

180 Joe 'Lord Haw-Haw' Scarborough

Posted by: zsasz at February 01, 2013 01:43 PM (MMC8r)

181 I'm sure all these jokers desiring a more compliant and sensitive america will take responsibility after the next attack.

paper tigers indeed.

Posted by: ette at February 01, 2013 01:44 PM (nqBYe)

182 >>>I'm not getting the Mika-is-hot thing at all.

awww

Posted by: Joe's Chripy Parrot at February 01, 2013 01:44 PM (LCRYB)

183 When I said it was a good observation that the USA was an international bully both perceived and in fact, what I meant was Betsy Ross was one helluva seamstress.

Posted by: Chuck Hagel at February 01, 2013 01:44 PM (Lxw+T)

184 Only heard him once. His voice was like Charlton Heston in Planet of the Apes but really high on weed. Kind of relaxing actually.
Posted by: Heralder at February 01, 2013 01:43 PM (+xmn4)

_______________

LOL!

I'm trying to think--who here could do Mika?

Empire of Jeff...maybe.

Posted by: tasker at February 01, 2013 01:44 PM (r2PLg)

185 Good old Lord Haw-Haw. British traitor. Him and Axis Sally did pro-Nazi broadcasts from Berlin.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 01, 2013 01:44 PM (EVyWz)

186 Joe is the answer to the age old scientific question: "genetics or environment"

Posted by: phreshone at February 01, 2013 01:45 PM (0SXI6)

187 >>>Ace use to do podcasts?

mmm-hmmm

Posted by: Joe's Chripy Parrot at February 01, 2013 01:45 PM (LCRYB)

188 Ace use to do podcasts?

Posted by: tasker at February 01, 2013 01:41 PM (r2PLg)

Only
heard him once. His voice was like Charlton Heston in Planet of the
Apes but really high on weed. Kind of relaxing actually.



It must have been like the Japanese hearing the emperor's voice for the first time after a couple of atom bombings.

Posted by: Mika's Little Black Forest at February 01, 2013 01:45 PM (QKKT0)

189 Anonymous sources that may or may not exist suggest that Scarborough has been seen hanging out with Harry Reid a lot, as if they are good buddies with...common interests.

The Searchlight Strangler and the Pensacola Perv?

Posted by: Stu-22 at February 01, 2013 01:45 PM (AiYlm)

190 Besides, we don't have sarcasm in the whale world.

oooooooOOOOOiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeezzzzzzzzz

xxxxxxxxxxxx tck tck eeeeeoouuuuuuuuuu

Posted by: eeeeiiiiiiiixxxxx at February 01, 2013 01:45 PM (fsLdt)

191 >>>Joe is the answer to the age old scientific question: "genetics or environment"

ughhh

Posted by: Joe's Chripy Parrot at February 01, 2013 01:45 PM (LCRYB)

192 I'm trying to think--who here could do Mika?


C'mon! LauraW. Totally LauraW.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 01, 2013 01:45 PM (/eBe8)

193 White House blames Chuck Hagel's shambolic performance...on Republican hecklers.

Is there NOTHING Republicans can't do?

Posted by: antisocialist at February 01, 2013 01:45 PM (Ahxbg)

194 Joe Scarborough is 1/32nd conservative...you can tell by his high cheekbones...

Posted by: Jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at February 01, 2013 01:45 PM (+OTLF)

195 Joe nailed it. Republicans just aren't nice anymore. We need to be nice the way Democrats are nice. And civil. Don't forget civil.

Posted by: Marmo at February 01, 2013 01:46 PM (QW+AD)

196 "Mr Hagel, what about your gaaaaaafes?!!!!!!!"


Posted by: Warden at February 01, 2013 01:46 PM (0DlnM)

197 Sorry. Just checking. Things are so screwy these days I'm having a hard time telling who is serious anymore. Besides, we don't have sarcasm in the whale world. Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 01, 2013 01:42 PM (uhftQ)

No worries. I know what you mean. When I occasionally venture to left wing sites and see them say things like that for real, begins to corrupt my perception.

Posted by: Heralder at February 01, 2013 01:46 PM (+xmn4)

198 193
White House blames Chuck Hagel's shambolic performance...on Republican hecklers.

Is there NOTHING Republicans can't do?


Posted by: antisocialist at February 01, 2013 01:45 PM (Ahxbg)
Who are they gonna blame when there are no more republicans left?

Posted by: Jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at February 01, 2013 01:46 PM (+OTLF)

199 "I said I would feed you. Just never said to whom."
- Keepiru, Startide Rising.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 01, 2013 01:46 PM (EVyWz)

200 "When I implied that I didn't know where the sequestration was coming from, what I really meant was I enjoy watching the Lippizaner Stallions as much as the next red-blooded American male."

-Chuck Hagel

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 01, 2013 01:46 PM (4df7R)

201 When I said that I hate Jews, I really meant...wait, I really DID mean that.

Posted by: Chuck Hagel at February 01, 2013 01:46 PM (AiYlm)

202 I'm not getting the Mika-is-hot thing at all.
Posted by: BlueStateRepub at February 01, 2013 01:37 PM (7ObY1)

Jug Tunnel-Vision.

It happens.

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at February 01, 2013 01:47 PM (KQ53P)

203 195
Joe nailed it. Republicans just aren't nice anymore. We need to be nice
the way Democrats are nice. And civil. Don't forget civil.

Posted by: Marmo at February 01, 2013 01:46 PM (QW+AD)
I am ready to bite off fingers if you are.

Posted by: Jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at February 01, 2013 01:47 PM (+OTLF)

204 >>>When I said that I hate Jews, I really meant...wait, I really DID mean that.

oh

Posted by: Joe's Chripy Parrot at February 01, 2013 01:47 PM (LCRYB)

205 The rudest part was when John McCain gave Chuck Hagle the finger while pretending to scratch his nose.

Posted by: Warden at February 01, 2013 01:47 PM (0DlnM)

206 Dear God, if we could get that trending on Twitter it would have more entertainment value than the Super Bowl imo.
Posted by: Captain Hate at February 01, 2013 01:35 PM (Y4+2O)


I'll admit, I cannot wait for the NFL QBs on Facebook after the Superbowl.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 01, 2013 01:47 PM (VtjlW)

207 Posted by: antisocialist at February 01, 2013 01:45 PM (Ahxbg)


Hmm.... yeah... thats it.... we can blame the Economy on.... Republican Hecklers.... yeah.... that the ticket!

Posted by: Obama Advisor at February 01, 2013 01:47 PM (lZBBB)

208 Besides, we don't have sarcasm in the whale world. oooooooOOOOOiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeezzzzzzzzz xxxxxxxxxxxx tck tck eeeeeoouuuuuuuuuu
Posted by: eeeeiiiiiiiixxxxx
----------------------------
No, my mother was not related to my father. Why do you ask?

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 01, 2013 01:47 PM (uhftQ)

209 Sorry, but gotta sympathize with Hagel a bit. He did screw up, but he was also heckled. His bout with McCain was ridiculous. McCain asked, he wouldn't let him answer. Not all questions have a yes/no answer. McCain, STFU you amnesty loving RINO!

Hagel's explanation was very straight forward. He was against the surge. Was he right? Time will tell. What did surge achieve? At that time it achieved some operational goals, looking in hindsight. But looking in hindsight it also got 1200 American men killed, tens time that wounded, and today Iraq appears on the verge of being a failed state. So really, what was the point of all that? We could have simply pulled out then and end result would have been about the same, but would have cost a lot less money and a lot fewer American lives.

Iraq was a bad decision period, get over it Bush lovers. I'll admit surge was right when you admit going into Iraq in the first place was wrong.

Cruz really disappointed me too. He was in full lawyer mode. Hagels response was idiotic. He should have been far more prepared. But Cruz WAS taking things out of context. You can listen to a person's story and sympathize with them without agreeing with every single one of their opinions. Hagel did not utter the words, "America is the world's bully." The fact that he didn't go postal on someone who did say this doesn't mean he agrees with that characterization.

I can tell you, having lived much of the past decade in the ME I've had a lot of interactions with Arabs from all over. You hear some crazy stuff, and it doesn't do a bit of good to call them out and attack them. You have to find the common ground in what they are saying and try to build on that. And this is all Hagel was doing.

Posted by: Andrew at February 01, 2013 01:48 PM (HS3dy)

210 Mika has faded fast in the past 2 years... she used to be watchable if you hit the mute button

Posted by: phreshone at February 01, 2013 01:48 PM (0SXI6)

211 When I said that the Jews have too much control over policy in Washington, what I really meant is it's almost impossible to find a good ham sandwich that isn't made with rye bread.

Posted by: Sen. Chuck Hagel, Rhetorician at February 01, 2013 01:48 PM (QKKT0)

212
Rush just mimicked Juan McCain questioning Hegel. Funny...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at February 01, 2013 01:49 PM (Jcd0S)

213 >>>Jug Tunnel-Vision.


It happens.

I've made my choice.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 01, 2013 01:49 PM (0q2P7)

214 Want TFGbot heads to explode?

Be real nice and all. Then ask, "I thought he proclaimed a miracle worker?"

Rote reply, "Those Rethuglicans!"

"So he is just another failed politician huh?"

*silence* or screeching like a thousand howler monkeys.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 01, 2013 01:50 PM (EVyWz)

215
Joe Biden was one of the worst players in the "high tech lynching" that was waged against Clarence Thomas...in Thomas's confirmation hearings.

Maybe it's time to revisit the videos of that hearing...
Since the Dems seem to have totally forgotten about that.

Posted by: wheatie at February 01, 2013 01:50 PM (BZMZX)

216 When I said that I was on board with the President's non-existent containment policy about Iranian nukes, what I clearly meant was Derpy Hooves has always been my favorite Pony, and I will not tolerate any slanderous insinuations that I don't mean it.

Posted by: Chuck Hagel at February 01, 2013 01:50 PM (Lxw+T)

217 I'm totally not crying over the clydesdale commercial at The Conversation.


I'm not that much of a softie.

Posted by: Mama AJ, Assault Poiser at February 01, 2013 01:50 PM (SUKHu)

218
Hagel and Jow, hey how do you feel about Libya ? and hey why forget Egypt ?
i mean yay! right?

Posted by: ette at February 01, 2013 01:50 PM (nqBYe)

219
AllenG @ 158

There were a lot of guys that served in Viet Nam that were really great soldiers. A guy I used to work with did four tours in Viet Nam in the Marines, including half a tour at Khe Sahn in 1968, which was no walk in the park. He was in combat a lot.

John Kerry was a squish who pulled every goofy tactic (like three fake Purple Hearts) to get out of Viet Nam. John Kerry is a lying, two faced coward, which makes him the PERFECT CHOICE to be the Secretary of State for the Obama Regime.

Peter Pace was a combat Marine in Viet Nam, commanded an infantry platoon, and you may recall was the first Marine General to be named as chairman of the JCS. You may also recall the way the Democrat Senate treated his re-nomination to the post. Trashy, thrashy.

Joe Scarborough is a Judas. He has taken his thirty pieces of silver from NBC, and I hope he is happy with them, and being a co-worker to Al Sharpton, Chris Matthews and Lawrence O'Donnel. Those are his peers.

Judas Joe Scarborough. May he enjoy his time at MSNBC. Asshole.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at February 01, 2013 01:51 PM (RFeQD)

220 I was the one who ranted about Purity of Essence and vital bodily fluids. Buck was into other Things


I do seek the company of women, Mandrake, but I do deny them my essence


( the recall code begins with OPE )

Posted by: Brig Gen Jack Ripper at February 01, 2013 01:51 PM (Dll6b)

221
Jane, be on the lookout for one of these at the show this weekend.



http://tinyurl.com/a52ucnp

Posted by: RWC at February 01, 2013 01:41 PM (fWAjv

lol. The snorkel is a nice touch.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 01, 2013 01:51 PM (UOM48)

222 I have little sympathy for someone who concludes that America is a bully and that Israel is a war crime. Hagel isn't some low information citizen. He is a low information former Senator desirous of being 2nd in command for basic defense purposes. No one went after Hagel's personal life. They went after him on fundamental issues. Cruz did what you should do.

Posted by: SH at February 01, 2013 01:51 PM (gmeXX)

223 "When I said that Israel's actions in their own defense constituted a sickening slaughter, what I really meant was that it was almost time for dinner and I was hungry for Captain Crunch with extra Crunchberries."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 01, 2013 01:51 PM (4df7R)

224 Hagel the Bagel makes Slo Joe 'Plugs' Bidet seem smart in comparison.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 01, 2013 01:51 PM (EVyWz)

225 Joe's bangin' her. Gotta be.

Posted by: Trialdog at February 01, 2013 01:52 PM (oSKxc)

226 Jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright: Who are they gonna blame when there are no more republicans left?

They will continue to claim Republican still exist, and use that as an excuse to send less than fanatic members of the outer Party to Room 101 for reprogramming.


Posted by: Kristophr at February 01, 2013 01:52 PM (wYVte)

227 "Hagel and Jow, hey how do you feel about Libya ? and hey why forget Egypt ?
i mean yay! right?"

Hagel was against going into Libya. Hagel also opposed the decades of support we gave to Mubarak which led to today.

Posted by: Andrew at February 01, 2013 01:52 PM (HS3dy)

228 225 Yeah,I'd bet any amount on it.

Posted by: steevy at February 01, 2013 01:52 PM (dBYCN)

229 "McCain asked, he wouldn't let him answer."

yes he would, he just wouldn't let him pontificate about how "it's complicated" blahblahblah.

"I'll admit surge was right when you admit going into Iraq in the first place was wrong."

Hagel could have done this

my issue with Hagel is not that he's supposedly a Jew-hater or w/e, something i don't believe, my issue is that he's tricked people into thinking he's a "realist" when he's not really. he doesn't seem to believe that toughness in any form is very necessary in diplomacy.

Posted by: JDP at February 01, 2013 01:52 PM (60GaT)

230 mika brzezinski. If she would coo in russian it would be teh hot!

Posted by: Cicero Kid at February 01, 2013 01:53 PM (tcw1u)

231 I can tell you, having lived much of the past decade in the ME I've had a lot of interactions with Arabs from all over. You hear some crazy stuff, and it doesn't do a bit of good to call them out and attack them. You have to find the common ground in what they are saying and try to build on that. And this is all Hagel was doing.
Posted by: Andrew at February 01, 2013 01:48 PM (HS3dy)

_____________

Somehow I knew the Paulians would be--how shall we say it--comfortable with Hegel.

Posted by: tasker at February 01, 2013 01:53 PM (r2PLg)

232 You hear some crazy stuff, and it doesn't do a bit of good to call them out and attack them. You have to find the common ground in what they are saying and try to build on that. And this is all Hagel was doing.
Posted by: Andrew


When you accept the opposition's terms of debate, you've lost the debate.

When you find crazy ass shit acceptable, you are a crazy asshole.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 01, 2013 01:53 PM (xz0nG)

233 "Hagel also opposed the decades of support we gave to Mubarak which led to today."

how? is there some Guy #2 who would've calmed the Muslim Brotherhood down?

Posted by: JDP at February 01, 2013 01:53 PM (60GaT)

234 Joe faile the dead girl or live boy test

Posted by: Amalgamated Cliff Divers, Local 157 at February 01, 2013 01:54 PM (Ph479)

235 " I have little sympathy for someone who concludes that America is a bully and that Israel is a war crime."

Except that's not Hagel's position.

Posted by: Andrew at February 01, 2013 01:54 PM (HS3dy)

236 Hagel is a douchebag, AND an idiot.

He's two piles of crap in one!!!

Posted by: Tex Lovera at February 01, 2013 01:54 PM (wtvvX)

237 Damn it this thread has me laughing so hard I can't spell for..%^$*

Posted by: tasker at February 01, 2013 01:54 PM (r2PLg)

238 Posted by: SH at February 01, 2013 01:51 PM (gmeXX)

Yes and- wait, no you said it. My thoughts exactly.

Posted by: Heralder at February 01, 2013 01:54 PM (+xmn4)

239
Lesson to the horde. Use a sock as soon as you think of it. Otherwise the host will sweep in all fucking high and mighty like, just because he can comment on his own blog again.


Don't you have another job to be doing these days?


Fucker.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at February 01, 2013 01:54 PM (0WLla)

240 Rush just mimicked Juan McCain questioning Hegel. Funny...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at February 01, 2013 01:49 PM (Jcd0S)


Rush has McRINO's schtick down pat

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 01, 2013 01:54 PM (Y4+2O)

241 Every time Mika's nasty, Jooo-hating old man is on Morning Joe, she nods and coos and always ends with, "Thanks, Daaaaady."

Ugh.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 01, 2013 01:54 PM (UOM48)

242 When I said I have no clue why the Iranian foreign minister approves of my nomination, what I meant was foreign brown people really like me, and so do the little ginger ones wearing green tam o'shanters and buckled loafers.

Posted by: Chuck Hagel at February 01, 2013 01:54 PM (Lxw+T)

243 Anyone else remember this smug prick gleefully voting Ron Paul in the primary because he was the only real Republican on the ballot. Granted I did as well, but only because I didn't realize NY doesn't allow write-ins for primaries and had already removed Perry from the ballot.

Posted by: mugiwara at February 01, 2013 01:54 PM (U08es)

244

The Wash Post said it all: "Hagel was bad. It doesn't matter."

Posted by: imp at February 01, 2013 01:54 PM (UaxA0)

245 I agree with Stacy McCain. Hagel looks like he has drank half a fifth of whiskey every day for the past 10 years. That person may be a fun affable dunce, but probably shouldn't be in charge of defense (even if only nominally, because we all know Obama is really in charge).

But it probably doesn't matter. He'll probably get confirmed.

Posted by: SH at February 01, 2013 01:55 PM (gmeXX)

246 Kerry was on one of those plywood Navy river patrol boats in the Mekong Delta, and those guys were in The Sh*t as often as anyone


From what I've learned, he exaggerated his record and scammed two or all three of his PHs. But he was there....



Posted by: DOA in Scrambletown, FLA at February 01, 2013 01:55 PM (Dll6b)

247 I liked the part where the Republicans grilled him about the threat of Guam tipping over into the ocean.

Posted by: Warden at February 01, 2013 01:55 PM (0DlnM)

248 217 I'm totally not crying over the clydesdale commercial at The Conversation.
I'm not that much of a softie.


*cough*

That video choked me up too, Mama AJ.

Posted by: wheatie at February 01, 2013 01:56 PM (BZMZX)

249 231 I can tell you, having lived much of the past decade in the ME I've had a lot of interactions with Arabs from all over. You hear some crazy stuff, and it doesn't do a bit of good to call them out and attack them. You have to find the common ground in what they are saying and try to build on that. And this is all Hagel was doing.
Posted by: Andrew at February 01, 2013 01:48 PM (HS3dy)

-----
there's no "common ground" with people who want to exterminate you

Posted by: Lurkasaurus at February 01, 2013 01:56 PM (LWOYq)

250 235 " I have little sympathy for someone who concludes that America is a bully and that Israel is a war crime."

Except that's not Hagel's position.
Posted by: Andrew at February 01, 2013 01:54 PM (HS3dy)

____________________

Well go for it Andrew--maybe you can explain Hagel's position better than Hagel.

Be careful though--Hagel might have walked what you think is his position back--at the hearing.

Posted by: tasker at February 01, 2013 01:56 PM (r2PLg)

251 Lets see. Hillary has fled. Panetta has punched out. Salazar has run away. So has Lisa Jackson. Now Stephen Chu, Dr. and winner in a shared Nobel.

So many confirmation hearings are now on the docket. Pass the popcorn.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 01, 2013 01:57 PM (EVyWz)

252 The WH thought Hagel would sail through as a member of the club. The bar is pretty low, dumb-nice or smart-a$$hole... However dumb-a$$holes like Hagel don't get a freebee.

Posted by: phreshone at February 01, 2013 01:57 PM (0SXI6)

253 Iraq was a bad decision period, get over it Bush
lovers. I'll admit surge was right when you admit going into Iraq in
the first place was wrong.




Posted by: Andrew at February 01, 2013 01:48 PM (HS3dy)

Pretty sure the plan was to establish a western style democracy in the middle east as a stabalizing influence to slow and reverese the spread of islamic fascism.Unfortunately, once bush left, we got the fucking cocksucker spawn of satan whose arab spring totally destabalized the middle est and accelerated the rise of islamic fanaticism.Couple that with undermining out troops generals and allies, and pretty much crapping all over everything over there....and yeah in hindsight, invading iraq, was a bad idea.Bush should have invaded chicago if he really wanted to eliminate Americas true enemas....erm enemies.Also, just a reminder, BowJob Jefferson Cigargina Clinton had the opportunity to eliminate Bin Laden and passed on it.so really, I think what you are trying to say is Electing Bill Clinton was a bad idea.Of course the mortgage crisis was birthed by the Community Reinvestment Act that Carter Pushed and dems Passed, and the Fanatic Islamists running Iran that terrorist state and enemy of america, were originally funded and put in power by Carter.So...what you are really saying is that Electing Jimmy carter resulted in a destabalized Middle East that got us in deep shit and even Bush couldnt fix it but Obama Made it much much worse, and the Mortgage crisis is the result of stupid democrats just like pretty much every other mess.

Posted by: Jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at February 01, 2013 01:57 PM (+OTLF)

254 "Except that's not Hagel's position"

yeah his position is to just talk mushmouthed about any Israeli-Palestinian conflict going on regardless of circumstances. much better.

Posted by: JDP at February 01, 2013 01:58 PM (60GaT)

255 " I have little sympathy for someone who concludes that America is a bully and that Israel is a war crime." Except that's not Hagel's position.


----

I have little sympathy for someone who doesn't immediately repudiate the notion that America is a bully when such notion is raised on a foreign network. Hagel is free to not repudiate such notion, but we are free to find that his non response means that it should keep him from serving as Sec Def.

Posted by: SH at February 01, 2013 01:58 PM (gmeXX)

256 christ

Posted by: JDP at February 01, 2013 01:58 PM (60GaT)

257 You have to find the common ground in what they are saying and try to build on that. And this is all Hagel was doing.

So what common groundis therein "America is the world's bully?"

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 01, 2013 01:58 PM (zF6Iw)

258 HELL YEAH!!!

THIS is what we NEED!!!!111!!!!



Television personality Geraldo Rivera on Friday outlined his views on abortion, gay marriage, immigration and entitlements as he considers a Republican bid for the U.S. Senate

Posted by: RWC at February 01, 2013 01:59 PM (fWAjv)

259 219
AllenG @ 158

...
John Kerry was a squish who pulled every goofy tactic (like three fake Purple Hearts) to get out of Viet Nam. John Kerry is a lying, two faced coward, which makes him the PERFECT CHOICE to be the Secretary of State for the Obama Regime.
...
Joe Scarborough is a Judas. He has taken his thirty pieces of silver from NBC, and I hope he is happy with them, and being a co-worker to Al Sharpton, Chris Matthews and Lawrence O'Donnel. Those are his peers.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at February 01, 2013 01:51 PM (RFeQD)


That is quite possibly the most accurate rant I've seen recently.
Cut.Jib.Newsletter!

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 01, 2013 01:59 PM (Qxe/p)

260 Andrew: I can tell you, having lived much of the past decade
in the ME I've had a lot of interactions with Arabs from all over. You
hear some crazy stuff, and it doesn't do a bit of good to call them out
and attack them. You have to find the common ground in what they are
saying and try to build on that. And this is all Hagel was doing.


You are stupidly and irretrievably wrong, Andrew.

Arabs understand weak and strong. Nothing else. You ignore them until they do something stupid like attacking you. Then you carpet bomb their fucking hovels until the come crawling to you in surrender. Only Jacksonian force works on these screwheads.

No "nation building" or other Madisonian horsecrap. Make the rubble bounce until the medeival retards beg for permission to surrender. They can rebuild their own fucking hovels. If they put the same idiots back in charge, they get the same treatment again.

Yes ... all Hagel was doing was demonstrating that he is as much of a libtard surrender-monkey as you are.

Posted by: Kristophr at February 01, 2013 02:00 PM (wYVte)

261 ooh, I'm pretty sure most of congress d or r and most of the senate d or r considered Iraq a worthy cause.

hell the Iraq liberation Document was written during a Dem Presidency where they stated He was a huge threat to america among other countries and had WMD's

so no. no admittance from me sorry.

what i saw were lies after the fact to weaken our efforts during the war.

Posted by: ette at February 01, 2013 02:00 PM (nqBYe)

262 When I said that the Jews were belligerent occupiers of land that properly belongs to the Palestinians, what I really meant was that my favorite Holocaust museum is the one in L.A. where they serve fresh bagels at the snack bar.

Posted by: Sen. Chuck Hagel, Rhetorician at February 01, 2013 02:00 PM (QKKT0)

263 257
You have to find the common ground in what they are saying and try to build on that. And this is all Hagel was doing.



So what common groundis therein "America is the world's bully?"

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 01, 2013 01:58 PM (zF6Iw)

I am more interested in what common ground there is to build from in "I Mackhamood Ahmadinnerjacket endorse you and we must wipe Israel off the map."

Posted by: Jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at February 01, 2013 02:00 PM (+OTLF)

264 Iraq was a bad decision period, get over it Bush lovers. I'll admit surge was right when you admit going into Iraq in the first place was wrong.

--

You will get no such admission from me.

Posted by: SH at February 01, 2013 02:01 PM (gmeXX)

265 oh and weaken so that Dems could regain power.

He what did libya do to us lately anyway?
and no lawful order form congress eihter,

Posted by: ette at February 01, 2013 02:01 PM (nqBYe)

266 re: "I think Mika used to be a man."

Y'know, I have this blonde wig I bought off eBay, looks a lot like Mika's do. It was sold to me as the only incriminating evidence Joe Scarborough left behind when he murdered a girl in his office. For seven dollars shipped, it's not like I was going to have it authenticated before I pressed "BUY NOW," y'know? And the return address was an NBC studio address.

So I figure it's either the only the only incriminating evidence Joe Scarborough left behind when he murdered a girl in his office, in which case, neat, or, hey, fuck it, I got a quality pro stage wig for seven dollars, and if I ever need to wear it, the blood will wash right out. Or l could just wear it on Halloween, I guess.

But anyway, now that you mention it, I'm thinking it's actually Mika's wig, and what happened was the Mexican "doctor" who chopped her dick off in a break room during lunch hour grabbed it off her head to wipe up some sudden hemorrhage--like, her cock was really unexpectedly huge and well-supplied with blood or something? Whatever. I'm not a Mexican doctor.

Now, I know that sounds pretty unlikely, but either I believe that, or I believe that the guy doing illegal Mexican lunch-hour sex changes at NBC brought extra towels. That's just not plausible.

Posted by: oblig. of Ockham at February 01, 2013 02:01 PM (cePv8)

267 "how? is there some Guy #2 who would've calmed the Muslim Brotherhood down?"

Yeah, the Egyptian people. The MB was not very popular back then. Let them decide their own fate.

Listen to yourself? You're arguing for us to impose a leader on those people. And now we're doing the same thing with Morsi, giving him F16s and tanks. How would you feel about the French if they had been supporting the Brits during the American Revolution, supplying them with money and arms. Arms we were powerless to fight against.

Posted by: Andrew at February 01, 2013 02:02 PM (HS3dy)

268 Television personality Geraldo Rivera on Friday
outlined his views on abortion, gay marriage, immigration and
entitlements as he considers a Republican bid for the U.S. Senate

Posted by: RWC at February 01, 2013 01:59 PM (fWAjv)
The Fuck? This useless hack is next door neighbors to Alan Colmes on ideology.

Posted by: Jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at February 01, 2013 02:02 PM (+OTLF)

269 >>>Except that's not Hagel's position.

Oh he's evolved then?
Or he never had a position and has now adopted one?
Or he deliberately mislead others about his position?

You say you've dealt with the ME? The MB wholesale reject Western Philosophy, to the extent they want to see it eradicated from this Earth; and that's just what they are willing to tell us. Until we can get to live and let live, we don't have any common ground to build from. All I can see Hagel has done so far is show our adversaries that some Americans are willing to sell all their principals down the road for a little temporary peace. A show of weakness (which if you know ANYTHING about the ME is deadly) which gets our troops killed.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 01, 2013 02:02 PM (0q2P7)

270 (Add one "Then he pocketed it and sold it on eBay" to above, and subtract one "the only," please.)

Posted by: oblig. of Typo at February 01, 2013 02:03 PM (cePv8)

271 When I said "I have a hard enough time understanding American politics, I certainly don't understand Iranian politics," I simply meant "it's a damn shame three inches cheated Phil Mickelson out of a PGA record."

Posted by: Chuck Hagel at February 01, 2013 02:03 PM (Lxw+T)

272 Iraq was just this little country over yonder never meaning no harm, well of course that as decided After we went in.
Bush Lied?
if that's the case Dems lied, our allies lied for years during Clinton which set up Iraq to be dealt with after 9-11.


Posted by: ette at February 01, 2013 02:03 PM (nqBYe)

273 I wish people would stop conflating the Swift patrol boats with the true riverine boats - the PBRs and monitors.

The Swift boat or PCF was built for off-shore interdiction. It was based on a steel hull oil rig boat. However the mission tasking was changed after Kerry got assigned to the relatively safe Swift mission. So that is how Kerry and his boat ended up in the rivers. And him getting his awards.

There are no Swift boats in active service while the PBR[ Patrol Boat River] are still in service.

This is probably one memorial that John Kerry avoids even though its located in DC.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mr_t_in_dc/8019248309/

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 01, 2013 02:04 PM (EVyWz)

274 Andrew you dumbass.

The people trying to make Egypt a democracy are the ones fighting in the streets right now against the dictatorial Islamic asshole that Obama is supporting.


Posted by: Kristophr at February 01, 2013 02:04 PM (wYVte)

275 I'm totally not crying over the clydesdale commercial at The Conversation.
I'm not that much of a softie.




*snuffle* Stupid dust. *snuffle*


Also are the comments emwidened or am I just extra special snowflakey today?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 01, 2013 02:04 PM (VtjlW)

276
I am ready to bite off fingers if you are.

Posted by: Jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at February 01, 2013 01:47 PM (+OTLF)


I would need to get my shots updated first.

Posted by: Marmo at February 01, 2013 02:05 PM (QW+AD)

277 There were a lot of guys that served in Viet Nam that were really great
soldiers. A guy I used to work with did four tours in Viet Nam in the
Marines, including half a tour at Khe Sahn in 1968, which was no walk in
the park. He was in combat a lot.


Yes. My point exactly, actually. Those men are dishonored by the fact that skidmarks like John Kerry are lauded as war-heroes.

My favorite story of my dad's might be when he held his .45 on a centipede all night one night. But it's hardly the most heroic.

His specific acts of heroism aren't even really important. What is important (for this discussion) is that people like John Kerry aren't worthy to shine his Justin Ropers.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 01, 2013 02:05 PM (/eBe8)

278 ::emand: I will never do another podcast ever again, except on this condition:

That the audioguy for the show records a bunch of Mika Brezinsy's babytalk cooings and chirplings and puts them on a soundboard. Then, when I talk, the engineer must play those soundcues in the microgaps in my speech.

I want nothing but a steady chirping of affirmative "mmm's" and "ohhhh's" and "right's." For every damn thing I say. When I talk about taking a poop, I want Mika right there, praising me with an "oooh" warble.

I will not do a podcast until I am guaranteed these terms.:::

****scribbles initials next to paragraphs 21, 22 and 23 and signs Letter of Intent under the name of "Hugh Jass"****

I don't think our organization would have any difficulty meeting your requirements, Mr. O'Spades. We'll be in touch.

****snaps briefcase shut and walk out****

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 01, 2013 02:05 PM (6Oaaw)

279 Morsi the non dictator-like non sharia like democracy fighter.

um yeah.

too bad those that tried to get rid of a dictator got another with the endorsment of our president.

Posted by: ette at February 01, 2013 02:06 PM (nqBYe)

280 Bush Lied?

Posted by: ette at February 01, 2013 02:03 PM (nqBYe)

WTF? Dont you recall when he said I shoot Skeet all the time? and If you like your insurance you can keep your insurance? I could go on and on, but really how much more proof do you need?

Posted by: Jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at February 01, 2013 02:06 PM (+OTLF)

281 >>>Listen to yourself? You're arguing for us to impose a leader on those people.

Yeah let the real tyrants do that, it will be better for the Egyptian people and the rest of the world.

The US cannot itself impose a leader on another country. We can assassinate a leader we don't like, we can support already established leaders and make it more likely that they will rise to the top and/or keep their position. But we lack the power to impose anything on an unwilling people. You isolationist types always overestimate our meddling capability.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 01, 2013 02:07 PM (0q2P7)

282 clydesdale;; i havent seen the commmercial, but they are truly magnificent animals.

Posted by: ette at February 01, 2013 02:07 PM (nqBYe)

283 Also are the comments emwidened or am I just extra special snowflakey today?


The are emwidenated. Because of the video, I think.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 01, 2013 02:08 PM (/eBe8)

284 And the ONLY thing Bush did wrong after 9-11 was that he didn't immediately have our subs launch thermonuclear missile strikes against Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Afghanistan.

Scrubbing those four shitholes from the face of the earth would have ended the War on Terror in a day, as the remaining countries in Dar Al Islam start publicly executing AQ operative to avoid the nuclear lash.

Posted by: Kristophr at February 01, 2013 02:08 PM (wYVte)

285
Still above room temperature is sufficient for the horde.


I like to think we're a little more discriminating than that.

Of course, we aren't. But I still like to think it.

Posted by: jwest at February 01, 2013 02:08 PM (ZDsRL)

286 Kristophr, Qom and Medina.

One strike they could laugh off as blustering. Two, lots of bed sheets need changing because two means someone is serious.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 01, 2013 02:09 PM (EVyWz)

287 "Arabs understand weak and strong. Nothing else."

Oh, so it's a biological thing, you're making a racial argument against them? Everybody understands weak and strong. Talk to Feinstein. This is a grade school argument.

Why aren't Muslim Americans or Arab Americans creating trouble here in the USA? Statistically do they engage in more violence per capita than the whites?

Go look on the web page for any major engineering school in the USA and you'll find more Islamic names than American names among their graduate students. And this is with them being in the extreme minority. What does this suggest about their tendencies?

Posted by: Andrew at February 01, 2013 02:09 PM (HS3dy)

288 From what I've learned, he exaggerated his record and scammed two or all three of his PHs. But he was there....

Posted by: DOA in Scrambletown, FLA at February 01, 2013 01:55 PM (Dll6b)

And Cambodia.

And according to his own testimony, stood by and watched as people were tortured.

In a fashion reminiscent of Jenjis Khan.

Posted by: Underground Vulgarian at February 01, 2013 02:10 PM (KQ53P)

289 sigh, i have this growing sense , that i really dislike politics. but what can one do? if i turn away shtf i might have learned to enjoy not worrying or preparing for my kids sake.

Posted by: ette at February 01, 2013 02:11 PM (nqBYe)

290 It's not a biological thing, Andrew. It is a cultural thing.

Islam has not advance culturally since the Seventh Century.

And Islam is not a race.

You attempt to use the race card is just fail.

Posted by: Kristophr at February 01, 2013 02:11 PM (wYVte)

291 wheatie and atc, that commercial got tome. I'm still sniffling.

Posted by: Mama AJ, Assault Poiser at February 01, 2013 02:11 PM (SUKHu)

292 Oh, so it's a biological thing, you're making a racial argument against them?

Projection, much? He never mentioned any genetic/racial argument. Why do *you* assume race when mere culture can suffice?

Also- yes, actually, Arabs in America do have a violent streak. It's just mostly directed at their own wives and daughters.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 01, 2013 02:12 PM (/eBe8)

293 Jug Tunnel-Vision.

It happens.


I prefer the FNC babaes. But I must be a pervert because it's the FNC brinettes that I dig. Patti Ann Browne, Remi Spencer, Jedediah Bila...mmmm mmm mmm!

Posted by: BlueStateRepub at February 01, 2013 02:12 PM (7ObY1)

294 babes

Posted by: BlueStateRepub at February 01, 2013 02:12 PM (7ObY1)

295 I am more interested in what common ground there is to build from in "I Mackhamood Ahmadinnerjacket endorse you and we must wipe Israel off the map."

Oh, I'm right there with you, Rev. But I just wondered how Andrew would explain away Hagel's craven Al-Jazeera jit-guzzling. Hagel's the kind of "Republican" who, if someone asked, "do you consider America a good country?" would reply, "Well, that depends. . ."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 01, 2013 02:12 PM (zF6Iw)

296
, criminy did the clydesdale die or something?

Posted by: ette at February 01, 2013 02:13 PM (nqBYe)

297 "You isolationist types always overestimate our meddling capability. "

Get a dictionary. You are the isolationist. Intervention IS isolation. You're isolating the options of an otherwise free people, stacking the deck against them.

Sanctioning Iran is isolating them. And this isolation gives their leaders more power. For every dip in their economy those leaders can say "I told you so" and get people riled up about how America is to blame. This is why the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor.

Posted by: Andrew at February 01, 2013 02:13 PM (HS3dy)

298 For the record, Andrew. Even as dumb as Hagel is- he really doesn't need enemies with friends like you.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 01, 2013 02:13 PM (/eBe8)

299 >>>you're making a racial argument against them?

I think culture. And any serious study of Arabian culture would reveal the predominant underpinnings of always appearing threatening and strong in any interaction.

>>>Go look on the web page for any major engineering school in the USA and you'll find more Islamic names than American names

Since when did Arab=Islam? I'm trying to decide whether that's racist or bigoted toward Islam which welcomes all races. Safe to say you are a bigot either way though.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 01, 2013 02:14 PM (0q2P7)

300 Anna Puma: Once the Japanese surrender, they stay surrendered. They would obey the new Shogun to the letter, even he was an American like MacArthur.

More nukes would be required to get through to Dar Al Islam.

Posted by: Kristophr at February 01, 2013 02:14 PM (wYVte)

301 Lol, ette.

No, it just grew up and went off to college or something.

Posted by: Mama AJ, Assault Poiser at February 01, 2013 02:15 PM (SUKHu)

302
Scarborough originally a Republican, but the Democrats paid better, and there was need for a conscience.

Posted by: Hillary at February 01, 2013 02:15 PM (8kEad)

303 Underground Vulgarian. Good point. Kerry stood there and did nothing to try and stop a war crime. That makes him a good little robot soldier that the likes of James Carroll supposedly hates.

As opposed to a helicopter crew who witnessed the My Lai massacre by Charlie Company. When that crew saw what was happening they actively protected South Vietnamese villagers.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 01, 2013 02:17 PM (EVyWz)

304 Andrew is too fucking stupid to understand that "Isolationism" refers to the excessive political neutrality in your own country, and not attempts to politically "isolate" enemy countries.

Posted by: Kristophr at February 01, 2013 02:17 PM (wYVte)

305 Intervention IS isolation.

And up is down.

This is why the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor.

Now you're just fucking stupid. The Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor because 1) it was strategically significant and 2) because they hoped to prevent us from stopping them in regards to taking over China. Well, and 3) because they wanted to own all the islands in the Pacific.

The only beef they had with us especially was that we were holding land they wanted. Any isolation of the Japanese was their own doing.

Even if it weren't- I don't propose to apologize to punishing people for their bad behavior. It is no more "my fault" that the crazy men in Iran are evil to their citizens than it is "my fault" when my kid throws a tantrum because he got in trouble at school.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 01, 2013 02:17 PM (/eBe8)

306 No, it just grew up and went off to college or something.

Posted by: Mama AJ, Assault Poiser at February 01, 2013 02:15 PM (SUKHu)

hahah, sigh, I would have helped pack the bags and said hooray you will finally learn the lessons of why getting your shoes put on properly matters.(keed)

ok, yeah. i still am smarting from one of my teenagers Fun years.

Posted by: ette at February 01, 2013 02:18 PM (nqBYe)

307 Kristophr, perhaps two would not be enough. But I hate overkill and waste. If they are still uppity can always fuse another city.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 01, 2013 02:19 PM (EVyWz)

308 MiketheMoos: Islam claims the welcome all races, but in private the still refer to people of african ancestry as monkeys.

And they still castrate and make slaves of africans, even in supposedly modern countries like Saudi Arabia.

Under Sharia, slavery of non-islams is perfectly lawful, and even encouraged.

Posted by: Kristophr at February 01, 2013 02:19 PM (wYVte)

309 It would be nice to be neutral, until china or russia fills the void.

well yeah, cough

Posted by: ette at February 01, 2013 02:19 PM (nqBYe)

310 Anna Puma: Doing it right the first time means we don't have to deal with the problem again.

Posted by: Kristophr at February 01, 2013 02:20 PM (wYVte)

311 another post up.

Posted by: ette at February 01, 2013 02:22 PM (nqBYe)

312 >>>You're isolating the options of an otherwise free people, stacking the deck against them.

You really do have a Laup Nor problem don't you? Freedom is an anomoly, not a normal condition. Saying "an otherwise free people" is not supportable philosophically, scientifically, or historically. Free peoples as a society are historically exceedingly rare, even people who desire to be free in any given society are a minority in the world including now, here in the US. The concept of an "Otherwise free people" is built on the bad assumption that most people do want to be free. Sure "otherwise free" except for they are pretty much like the rest of the world that loves them some authoritarianism.

As far as sanctioning Iran and therefore holding them back because they really wants to be free? Yeah, a state that revolted it's way into Tyranny in MY LIFETIME. No they need probably another 50 years at least before a majority of the people are serious about being free.

Their leaders will ALWAYS lie to them. We will ALWAYS be evil whether we sanction them or not. I see no reason to make their war machine more powerful by openly trading with them.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 01, 2013 02:23 PM (0q2P7)

313 Kristophr, guess I am too lenient in some matters.

*pauses and ponders a thought* Oh that would be so wicked. DNA splice some pig DNA into the sheep Islamic countries buy. And after a year of selling those GMO sheep, let it leak out.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 01, 2013 02:23 PM (EVyWz)

314 "Oh, I'm right there with you, Rev. But I just wondered how Andrew would explain away Hagel's craven Al-Jazeera jit-guzzling. Hagel's the kind of "Republican" who, if someone asked, "do you consider America a good country?" would reply, "Well, that depends. . .""

"I'm right, everybody else is wrong. I'm perfect, I can do absolutely no wrong."

This is your argument? It does depend? Good at what? If you're looking for low taxes we suck, you'd be better off in Dubai. But if you want to be forced to pay $20,000/year for health insurance, hey, things are great.

America has a country and never done anything wrong before. Seriously, this is your asinine argument?

Or are we only talking about war? We can make mistakes at home but never outside our borders?

How about Vietnam? If going to war was just then quitting was unjust, right? Vietnam is like Baskin Robins, a flavor for everybody.

In the wake of our pullout millions, MILLIONS, of Vietnamese were effectively genocided. A couple years back I had the honor of speaking with a woman that was a teenager in Vietnam at that time. Her whole family was killed after we left. HER WHOLE FAMILY.

What do you say to this? The only reason her family opposed the regime was because of us... because we were there, and then when we left we stabbed all these people in the back. We got them killed. Where can I find the memorial honoring their deaths?

You can't have it both ways. We were either wrong to go in the first place, or wrong to leave, but no matter how you slice it, we did a LOT of wrong over there.

We are not perfect, so therefore America isn't perfect either. The path to perfection is one of reflection and penance, learning from our mistakes. If you don't even acknowledge them to begin with waste of air.

Posted by: Andrew at February 01, 2013 02:23 PM (HS3dy)

315 The bottom line is that Hagel is not suited, by experience or native ability, to be the Secretary of Defense. Simple as that.

That the SCoaMF would nominate him is just another example of the unseriousness of the people we have in charge.

Posted by: toby928 for TB at February 01, 2013 02:23 PM (QupBk)

316 Why aren't Muslim Americans or Arab Americans creating trouble here in the USA? Statistically do they engage in more violence per capita than the whites?

A cheap, snarky answer would be "Major Hassan."

But try handing out some Christian leaflets on the streets of Dearbornistan and see how peaceful Allah's children are.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 01, 2013 02:25 PM (zF6Iw)

317 Sanctioning Iran is isolating them. And this isolation gives their leaders more power. For every dip in their economy those leaders can say "I told you so" and get people riled up about how America is to blame. This is why the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor.

Cocaine's a hell of a drug.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 01, 2013 02:27 PM (zF6Iw)

318 "America has a country and never done anything wrong before. Seriously, this is your asinine argument?"

no one is saying this.

Posted by: JDP at February 01, 2013 02:27 PM (60GaT)

319 316
Why aren't Muslim Americans or Arab Americans creating trouble here
in the USA? Statistically do they engage in more violence per capita
than the whites?



A cheap, snarky answer would be "Major Hassan."



But try handing out some Christian leaflets on the streets of Dearbornistan and see how peaceful Allah's children are.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 01, 2013 02:25 PM (zF6Iw)


hahaha I was just about to post that Major Hassan called and he wants his peace lovin muslim extremist whose gun accidentally went off meme back...

Posted by: Jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at February 01, 2013 02:28 PM (+OTLF)

320 "The concept of an "Otherwise free people" is built on the bad assumption that most people do want to be free. Sure "otherwise free" except for they are pretty much like the rest of the world that loves them some authoritarianism. "

Well, I tend you agree with you here actually, but only to a point. I would argue that most people do want freedom, but only a small number are willing to fight for it.

Regardless though, this doesn't matter to me. People should be afforded the opportunity to choose for themselves. Imposing dictators like Mubarak doesn't help anybody. It's not helping our security. It's not helping their security. It's not helping the average Egyptian. And it isn't helping Israel either.

A new generation has risen up learning to hate Mubarak and in proxy hate America and then in proxy hate Israel because that's where all fingers point to. Israel is screwed demographically. They cannot keep pace with the Arab world's birth rate, even within their own borders.

All that has been accomplished is setting the stage for a LOT of war. Israel is not a bit more secure because we supported Mubarak. Go talk to Morsi about that, he has a lot say on the matter.

Posted by: Andrew at February 01, 2013 02:28 PM (HS3dy)

321 Andrew is the New Jordan.

Posted by: Jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at February 01, 2013 02:28 PM (+OTLF)

322 MPPP. especially when US Navy in the Atlantic were actually sinking U-boats before 7 Dec 1941. And Germany did nothing.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 01, 2013 02:28 PM (EVyWz)

323 this is really about a false dichotomy where if you're for tough diplomacy in the region, you're somehow "empowering" places like Iran, and "talking" is always productive.

Posted by: JDP at February 01, 2013 02:29 PM (60GaT)

324 This is why the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor.

They attacked because they knew that they were going to make a move on the Dutch East Indies and that we would move against them when they did.

Posted by: toby928 for TB at February 01, 2013 02:30 PM (QupBk)

325 Regardless though, this doesn't matter to me. People should be afforded
the opportunity to choose for themselves. Imposing dictators like
Mubarak doesn't help anybody. It's not helping our security. It's not
helping their security. It's not helping the average Egyptian. And it
isn't helping Israel either.
....
All that has been accomplished is setting the stage
for a LOT of war. Israel is not a bit more secure because we supported
Mubarak. Go talk to Morsi about that, he has a lot say on the matter.

Posted by: Andrew at February 01, 2013 02:28 PM (HS3dy)
Oh yeah cause the Muslim Brotherhood is soooo much better than Mubarik...

Naive, it looks good on you.

Posted by: Jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at February 01, 2013 02:30 PM (+OTLF)

326 Andrew @314 - cut back on the meth.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 01, 2013 02:30 PM (zF6Iw)

327 mm-hmm

Posted by: Mikhail Barishnikov at February 01, 2013 02:30 PM (y53d1)

328 >>>The only reason her family opposed the regime was because of us...
because we were there, and then when we left we stabbed all these people
in the back. We got them killed. Where can I find the memorial
honoring their deaths?

You are absolutely right. We falsely thought only a minority of people wanted to be enslaved to Communism. We thought that China, and the Soviet Union had become communist on a small minority lying to and forcefully subjugating the people.

If the only reason, the ONLY reason, someone opposed the communist takeover of Vietnam was because of us, they were making a big mistake. You've got to want freedom more than life itself, value it more highly than even the lives of your loved ones, to get it or keep it.

That was part of our stupid idealistic phase where we thought, once people understood the idea of freedom they'd want it. We were sooooo wrong.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 01, 2013 02:31 PM (0q2P7)

329 toby, facts mean nothing to this sort. Facts like Yamamoto had to fight his own navy's general staff to get approval for Operation Hawaii. The Japanese prior move to seize French Indo-China is another fact overlooked. Along with Hypo actually tracking the Japanese invasion force heading towards Balikipan in the Dutch East Indies before 7 Dec 1941.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 01, 2013 02:33 PM (EVyWz)

330 "A cheap, snarky answer would be "Major Hassan." "

Ah, so all Arabs are terrorists. Gotcha. I guess that means thanks to McVeigh so are all white veterans.

I'd take a Muslim any day over a liberal. Were it not for the anti-Muslim attitude among much of the right they would line up proudly to support traditional constitutional conservatism.


Posted by: Andrew at February 01, 2013 02:34 PM (HS3dy)

331 :::Well, I tend you agree with you here actually, but only to a point. I would argue that most people do want freedom, but only a small number are willing to fight for it.

Regardless though, this doesn't matter to me. People should be afforded the opportunity to choose for themselves. Imposing dictators like Mubarak doesn't help anybody. It's not helping our security. It's not helping their security. It's not helping the average Egyptian. And it isn't helping Israel either.

A new generation has risen up learning to hate Mubarak and in proxy hate America and then in proxy hate Israel because that's where all fingers point to. Israel is screwed demographically. They cannot keep pace with the Arab world's birth rate, even within their own borders.

All that has been accomplished is setting the stage for a LOT of war. Israel is not a bit more secure because we supported Mubarak. Go talk to Morsi about that, he has a lot say on the matter.:::

You're not only wrong, you're being wrong as hard as you can.

You cannot read your biography in the lives of foreigners.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 01, 2013 02:34 PM (6Oaaw)

332
Earlier in his reign Islamists had benefited from the `rectification revolution` and the release from prison of activists jailed under Nasser[11] but Sadat's Sinai treaty with Israel enraged Islamists, particularly the radical Egyptian Islamic Jihad. According to interviews and information gathered by journalist Lawrence Wright,
the group was recruiting military officers and accumulating weapons,
waiting for the right moment to launch "a complete overthrow of the
existing order" in Egypt. Chief strategist of El-Jihad was Abbud al-Zumar,
a colonel in the military intelligence whose "plan was to kill the main
leaders of the country, capture the headquarters of the army and State
Security, the telephone exchange building, and of course the radio and
television building, where news of the Islamic revolution would then be
broadcast, unleashing - he expected - a popular uprising against secular
authority all over the country."[33]

In February 1981, Egyptian authorities were alerted to El-Jihad's
plan by the arrest of an operative carrying crucial information. In
September, Sadat ordered a highly unpopular roundup of more than 1500
people, including many Jihad members, but also the Coptic Pope and other Coptic clergy, intellectuals and activists of all ideological stripes.[34] All non-government press was banned as well.[35] The round up missed a Jihad cell in the military led by Lieutenant Khalid Islambouli, who would succeed in assassinating Anwar Sadat that October.[36]

According to Tala'at Qasim, ex-head of the Gama'a Islamiyya interviewed in Middle East Report,
it was not Islamic Jihad but his organization, known in English as the
"Islamic Group", that organized the assassination and recruited the
assassin (Islambouli). Members of the Group's 'Majlis el-Shura'
('Consultative Council') headed by the famed 'blind shaykh' were
arrested two weeks before the killing, but they did not disclose the
existing plans and Islambouli succeeded in assassinating Sadat.[37]
On 6 October 1981, Sadat was assassinated during the annual victory parade held in Cairo to celebrate Egypt's crossing of the Suez Canal.[38] In addition to Sadat, eleven others were killed, including the Cuban ambassador, an Omani general, a Coptic Orthodox bishop and Samir Helmy, the head of Egypt's head of the Central Auditing Agency (CAA).[39][40] Twenty-eight were wounded, including Vice President Hosni Mubarak, Irish Defence Minister James Tully, and four US military liaison officers.

The assassination squad was led by Lieutenant Khalid Islambouli after a fatwā approving the assassination had been obtained from Omar Abdel-Rahman.[41] Islambouli was tried, found guilty, sentenced to death, and executed by firing squad in April 1982.
Sadat was succeeded by his vice president Hosni Mubarak, whose hand
was injured during the attack. Sadat's funeral was attended by a record
number of dignitaries from around the world, including a rare
simultaneous attendance by three former US presidents: Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter and Richard Nixon. Sudan's President Gaafar Nimeiry was the only Arab head of state to attend the funeral. Only 3 of 24 states in the Arab League Oman, Somalia and Sudan sent representatives at all.[42] Sadat was buried in the unknown soldier memorial in Cairo, across the street from the stand where he was assassinated.

Over three hundred Islamic radicals were indicted in the trial of assassin Khalid Islambouli, including Ayman al-Zawahiri, Omar Abdel-Rahman and Abd al-Hamid Kishk.
The trial was covered by the international press and Zawahiri's
knowledge of English made him the de facto spokesman for the defendants.
Zawahiri was released from prison in 1984. His brother Muhammad al-Zawahiri was imprisoned from 2000 until 17 March 2011, and then re-arrested on 20 March 2011.[43] Abboud al-Zomor and Tareq al-Zomor, two Islamic Jihad leaders imprisoned in connection with the assassination, were released on 11 March 2011.[44]
Despite these facts, the nephew of the late president, Talaat Sadat, claimed that the assassination was an international conspiracy.

Posted by: Jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at February 01, 2013 02:35 PM (+OTLF)

333 What do you say to this? The only reason her family opposed the
regime was because of us... because we were there, and then when we left
we stabbed all these people in the back. We got them killed. Where
can I find the memorial honoring their deaths?





Posted by: Andrew at February 01, 2013 02:23 PM (HS3dy)

and why was that decision made, what politically was happening ?ooh 1-2-3 what are we fighting for , don't ask me i don't give a damn.
the hippies and non interventionalist made it politically a killer to stay , , i guess they didn't care that thousands would be killed when we left.
and right they shouldn't have been left!on that we agree.


Posted by: ette at February 01, 2013 02:36 PM (nqBYe)

334 >>>People should be afforded the opportunity to choose for themselves. Imposing dictators like Mubarak doesn't help anybody.

We cannot impose anything on an unwilling population. Period.

The people of the world always have the choice to be free, they by majority choose slavery because it is easier. They do this in every corner of the world, including now the US. Throw out the idea of *fighting* for your freedom. People as a whole don't want to be minimally responsible for themselves to get freedom let alone picking up a gun and fighting for it.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 01, 2013 02:36 PM (0q2P7)

335 "That was part of our stupid idealistic phase where we thought, once people understood the idea of freedom they'd want it. We were sooooo wrong. "

Agreed 100%. And this is why Iraq was stupid as well. I can tell you, having spent so much time there, my opinion is there is zero chance of American-style Democracy having any chance whatsoever. Ditto for Afghanistan. We crushed Al Qaeda and any threat they posted a long, long time ago, why are we still there? The Taliban was never our enemy. Yes, they are bad guys, but so is Feinstein, we tolerate her.

Posted by: Andrew at February 01, 2013 02:37 PM (HS3dy)

336 eh fk it. i'm going to actually flip soil today for my sanity.
b l maybe.

Posted by: ette at February 01, 2013 02:37 PM (nqBYe)

337 "You cannot read your biography in the lives of foreigners."

Not following the point you're trying to make...

Posted by: Andrew at February 01, 2013 02:38 PM (HS3dy)

338 Only one way to deal with the middle east....Take off and nuke the site from orbit.

Posted by: Jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at February 01, 2013 02:39 PM (+OTLF)

339 "We cannot impose anything on an unwilling population. Period."

This is my whole point, so did we try to in Iraq, why still in Afghanistan?

This is precisely the whole Hagel issue. Hagel agrees with your statement above. He believes in non-intervention. This doesn't mean isolation, this means simply staying out of their affairs. If they threaten us, sure, bomb them to hell. Otherwise, leave them alone. You influence by example not force.

Posted by: Andrew at February 01, 2013 02:40 PM (HS3dy)

340 I'd take a Muslim any day over a liberal. Were it not for the anti-Muslim attitude among much of the right they would line up proudly to support traditional constitutional conservatism. -------
Yep. They'd be lining up right next to those uber-patriotic illegal immigrants, who would be small government conservatives if only we would stop insiting on them not being, well, illegal and stuff.

I need proof for these crazy statements.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at February 01, 2013 02:42 PM (YmPwQ)

341 >>>This is my whole point, so did we try to in Iraq, why still in Afghanistan?

Um no we haven't. This word you keep using "impose" I do not think it means what you think it means.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 01, 2013 02:43 PM (0q2P7)

342 "and right they shouldn't have been left!on that we agree."

This raises another good point. Even if you think we should intervene, if you know that we as a country don't have the political capital to see it through, is it a wise thing to do?

We're fighting for our own gun rights right now and watching the debt clock tick higher and higher. Iraq did not end well, won't say we lost, but it wasn't a win either. Afghanistan appears a unquestionable loss. So that being the case, why would you ever advocate repeating this history against say Iran? We'll go into it, guns blazing, and then after a couple years all the political drama will start and we won't see it through.

Posted by: Andrew at February 01, 2013 02:44 PM (HS3dy)

343 >>>This is precisely the whole Hagel issue. Hagel agrees with your statement above. He believes in non-intervention.

That makes him teh stooopid.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 01, 2013 02:44 PM (0q2P7)

344 "Um no we haven't. This word you keep using "impose" I do not think it means what you think it means."

Buddy, I've served in Afghanistan. I got back from there in December. In ever sense that it is possible for us to do so, we have imposed a government there. We hand picked a leader we liked, we put him in power, we gave him lots of guns, we train a military for him, we support in every physical means possible. Karzai = USA.

Do the people resist us? You damn right they do. But all our efforts are geared towards strengthening the puppet regime. We don't have two shits about what the Afghan people actually want. What they want is for us to leave. What they want is Karzai gone. In the south especially.

If we had been smart we would have broken the country up into three chunks along ethnic/tribal lines and given them all small arms, some free food and other b.s. AID and called it a day.

Posted by: Andrew at February 01, 2013 02:48 PM (HS3dy)

345 "The Taliban was never our enemy."

what the hell

Posted by: JDP at February 01, 2013 02:51 PM (60GaT)

346 345
"The Taliban was never our enemy."

what the hell


Posted by: JDP at February 01, 2013 02:51 PM (60GaT)
Code Pink Metrosexual Speak. Move along and pretend you didnt see it.

Posted by: Jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at February 01, 2013 02:53 PM (+OTLF)

347 "I need proof for these crazy statements. "

Go live in the Middle East. They are conservative, they work hard, they honor their families.

Interestingly you could also go look at the UN. The UN is actively trying to oppose the family, trying to get countries to support abortion, sex education, and a long list of things you would probably disagree with. And it's not just a matter of them lobbying their opinion, in the case of the USA that's all they can do, but outside the USA a lot of these things will be imposed as conditions for receiving aid and such. Who is the leading voice for opposing this activity in the UN? It's not a bunch of Baptists. It's a conglomerate of Muslims countries that finance a group of Mormon lawyers in Utah. Together they are basically alone in this fight.

Muslims could be a great ally to us. Most Muslims do not want to live in a monarchy or a theocracy. The only ones who want this are the handful of royal families that control these places.

Posted by: Andrew at February 01, 2013 02:54 PM (HS3dy)

348 This is precisely the whole Hagel issue. Hagel agrees with your statement above. He believes in non-intervention. This doesn't mean isolation, this means simply staying out of their affairs. If they threaten us, sure, bomb them to hell. Otherwise, leave them alone. You influence by example not force.
Posted by: Andrew at February 01, 2013 02:40 PM (HS3dy)
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Ok, I agree in general with the non-interventionist stance, but how was that going to work with Iraq? Bomb them to hell? That'll never go over well with a majority of the public, and it'll be demagogued by the Democrats.

Or worse, we'll never have a situation with direct threats because it'll be all done through proxy groups. That was the whole reason for the development of the Bush doctrine, that overt threats are a thing of the past, yet seriously damaging actors still exist with tacit state support.

And also, I like what you say about splitting up Aghanistan, but how is dissolving 1 country into 3 new ones less of an "intervention"? It's open to the same criticisms, perhaps more.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at February 01, 2013 02:55 PM (Y5I9o)

349 couple things

first, we didn't "impose" Mubarak. we supported him, yes, but given your thinking that the Israeli-Palestinian peace process is so central to everything in the region, how exactly is having Islamic hardliners in power (elected or not) going to help with that?

second, about that. the I-P conflict is not the Only Thing. Islamists are rebelling against Assad for example. you know, the Hezbollah-supporting, not-our-guy Assad.

lastly i don't get what your alternative is for Afghanistan. let things go to shit, let the chips fall where they may? i mean after the Soviets were defeated way back when, the "never our enemy" Taliban later rebelled against and beat the post-Soviet government.

i'm not for nation-building but i am for making sure we don't have a similar government come back.

Posted by: JDP at February 01, 2013 02:56 PM (60GaT)

350 "Code Pink Metrosexual Speak. Move along and pretend you didnt see it."

Name a single instance in which the Taliban has attacked the USA?

You realize they don't even speak the same language as the 911 terrorists right? Are you aware of this. They can't even talk to each other. In fact English is closer to their language linguistically than Arabic is.

They were the first to condemn 911. Wasn't that long ago that Reagan was arming them to fight the USSR.

Posted by: Andrew at February 01, 2013 02:56 PM (HS3dy)

351 "Most Muslims do not want to live in a monarchy or a theocracy"

"some of my best friends are secular Arabs"

Posted by: JDP at February 01, 2013 02:58 PM (60GaT)

352 "Name a single instance in which the Taliban has attacked the USA?"

whoosh

Posted by: JDP at February 01, 2013 02:58 PM (60GaT)

353 >>>Buddy, I've served in Afghanistan.

Buddy good for you.

>>>In ever sense that it is possible for us to do so, we have imposed a government there.

Really? So why isn't an American in charge? Why is it an Afghanistani? Oh that's right, the leader has to have local support in order to lead. I guess we really CAN'T IMPOSE something on the people they will not accept.

>>>If we had been smart we would have broken the country up into three
chunks along ethnic/tribal lines and given them all small arms, some
free food and other b.s. AID and called it a day.

Why don't you ask O why he didn't do that when he finished his objective of getting Osama.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 01, 2013 02:58 PM (0q2P7)

354 Muslims could be a great ally to us. Most Muslims do not want to live in a monarchy or a theocracy. The only ones who want this are the handful of royal families that control these places.
Posted by: Andrew at February 01, 2013 02:54 PM (HS3dy)
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Agreed. This is one of those cases where the GOP SoCons need to be a lot smarter about who's the more fundamental cultural enemy: culturally conservative islam or radically secular liberalism. I'd argue the latter almost every time.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at February 01, 2013 02:58 PM (Y5I9o)

355 "Wasn't that long ago that Reagan was arming them to fight the USSR."

this has been discredited so many fucking times. the Taliban were only formed in the early-mid '90s. they came to power AFTER the post-Soviet government distintegrated.

Posted by: JDP at February 01, 2013 03:01 PM (60GaT)

356 You realize they don't even speak the same language as the 911 terrorists right? Are you aware of this. They can't even talk to each other. In fact English is closer to their language linguistically than Arabic is.
Posted by: Andrew at February 01, 2013 02:56 PM (HS3dy)
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Oh come on, you're not seriously bringing up the language barrier issue as though it's an insurmountable obstacle in this day and age and among countries within the same sphere of influence. This is like the whole "Sunnis and Shi'as disagree, so they can NEVER work together" canard.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at February 01, 2013 03:02 PM (Y5I9o)

357 354

i think most "SoCons" aren't as goofy as you seem to think

Posted by: JDP at February 01, 2013 03:03 PM (60GaT)

358 sorry, just to be clear that post reminded me of the Dinesh D'Souza "align with fundamentalist Muslims" idea that i always thought was dumb

it's sort of a mirror of the liberal rhetoric acting as though no differences exist between Christian and Islamic fundamentalists

Posted by: JDP at February 01, 2013 03:05 PM (60GaT)

359 >>>Muslims could be a great ally to us.

When prominent Muslims will openly rebuke another Muslims supporting violence on my behalf, the same way Almost ANY Christian leader would rebuke a F*ked up Christian on their behalf, I think we might have some common ground to work with. But as long as I keep getting these "Yes But*" answers about violence, and subjugation of other faiths, I'm going to assume live and let live with the infidel is not a value they yet possess.



>>>Most Muslims do not want to live in a monarchy or a theocracy.

Given that most Muslim countries are one of those two I would have to disagree.

Culturally most Islamic cultures are WAY to welcoming of authoritarianism for my comfort.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 01, 2013 03:06 PM (0q2P7)

360 357 354

i think most "SoCons" aren't as goofy as you seem to think
Posted by: JDP at February 01, 2013 03:03 PM (60GaT)
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I'm not saying they're "goofy". I am a SoCon. I'm saying they have a BIG PR problem with muslims. It's like with Akin. I'm pro-life, very much so. But I wish people like Akin knew when to just shut up and work with the system we've got.

Look at how people like Huckabee talk about islam and muslims. I know, I know...not all SoCons are like him. But he's a big icon and represents SoCons to a lot of the public. While the language of political acceptance is there, it's cut through with the language of religious separation. Not that that's inaccurate; there's a lot of distance between Christianity and Islam. But the point is that if you want political allies, you cannot point that out in blunt ways.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at February 01, 2013 03:07 PM (Y5I9o)

361 " how exactly is having Islamic hardliners in power (elected or not) going to help with that?"

Islamic hardliners have gained power because of our supporting the despots.

First you need to put things in context. Take Hezbollah . We regard them a terrorist organization. In Lebanon 1/3 of the population is Christian. Let me repeat that, CHRISTIAN. You will see the Hezbollah flag flying right beside the Christian party flag. In Lebanon it's like Democrat vs. Republican. The Christians do not agree with them on everything, but they do agree with them on a lot. The anti-Israel sentiment over there has absolutely nothing to do with Islam... if it were about Islam hardliners only, why do the Christians agree with and support them on this issue?

Yes of course there is a religious component, but that's not what it's about.

And the same goes in places like Egypt. MB doesn't have power because the people want a hard line Islamic government. Most of the people DONT want this. But they also don't want a tyrant like Mubarak. It takes a pretty extreme person to set about opposing someone like Mubarak. That naturally results in organizations like the Brotherhood.

Not trying to defend them, but just to explain. These things are natural. If we weren't meddling in things organizations like MB would have no leg to stand on, there would be no reason for them. And they certainly wouldn't care about the USA.

This mindset that these Islamic fundamentalists simply hate the USA and they hate us because we're Christian and we're free... this is pure horse squeeze. It is a complete fantasy and not a one of them thinks like this.

Take even bin Laden. Have you ever studied this man? I mean really studied his history. Go read some of Michael Scheuer's writings. He was the head of the bin Laden unit in the CIA from 2001 to 2004.

Bin Laden wasn't interested in senselessly killing Americans. He wanted to incite a war. And the whole purpose of this war was to destabilize the Middle East. His ultimate objective was not the USA, not Israel, but the fucking House of Saud. He wanted to bring down the Saudi Royals and other monarchs running the Arab world. All the other stuff is propaganda.

And frankly, our reaction played right into his hands. Not even one war but two. And since then this has created a kind of awakening among the Arab world which led to the Arab Spring. In Saudi Arabia they handed out money like candy to prevent a revolt there. They did the same in Qatar, where they increased wages by over 100%!

The whole thing is quite fascinating really.

Posted by: Andrew at February 01, 2013 03:09 PM (HS3dy)

362 When prominent Muslims will openly rebuke another Muslims supporting violence on my behalf, the same way Almost ANY Christian leader would rebuke a F*ked up Christian on their behalf, I think we might have some common ground to work with. But as long as I keep getting these "Yes But*" answers about violence, and subjugation of other faiths, I'm going to assume live and let live with the infidel is not a value they yet possess.
Gasoline and Matches at February 01, 2013 03:06 PM (0q2P7)
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But this is teh same kind of problem you have with Hispanics in the country. There ARE a lot of trends in latino culture that could make them "naturally" conservative, but those trends have to be exploited. Instead, the Left is fucking all over education and targeted low-income free classes and publications and community organizing, all of which is geared towards stamping out those conservative tendencies. Look at how the State Dept. was producing spanish-language videos trying to convince immigrants that going on food stamps was "smart" and not in any way an abdication of responsibility. It's the same thing with muslims, the loudest voices try have the public convinced that they represent everyone. Hey, you've bought into it. And as long as everyone's buying into it, it's going to become fact.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at February 01, 2013 03:12 PM (Y5I9o)

363 350
"Code Pink Metrosexual Speak. Move along and pretend you didnt see it."



Name a single instance in which the Taliban has attacked the USA?



You realize they don't even speak the same language as the 911
terrorists right? Are you aware of this. They can't even talk to each
other. In fact English is closer to their language linguistically than
Arabic is.



They were the first to condemn 911. Wasn't that long ago that Reagan was arming them to fight the USSR.

Posted by: Andrew at February 01, 2013 02:56 PM (HS3dy)

Dude,
I am middle eastern. Naturalized Citizen. You are full of crap. And your understanding of Middle eastern culture and world view is naive and myopic.Keep your Peirs Morgan Mcdonald's happy meal version of muslim world view for yourself.
I know better.Once the jews are taken care of, the infidel blashphemeres who dont believe in Muhammad are next.You are not middle eastern, you are not muslim, you dont know what the fuck you are talking about.

Posted by: Jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at February 01, 2013 03:15 PM (+OTLF)

364 Islamic hardliners have gained power because of our supporting the despots.

Posted by: Andrew at February 01, 2013 03:09 PM (HS3dy)


A bigger fucking fairytale than Barack Hussein Obama.

Posted by: Jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at February 01, 2013 03:16 PM (+OTLF)

365 "Oh come on, you're not seriously bringing up the language barrier issue as though it's an insurmountable obstacle in this day and age and among countries within the same sphere of influence. This is like the whole "Sunnis and Shi'as disagree, so they can NEVER work together" canard."

Who said anything about obstacle, the issue is responsibility.

You blame a nation of 30 million people for the actions of 19 men who weren't from their country and didn't even speak the same language?

Anybody could have gone over there flashed a few bills and farmer ahmed poppy grower wouldn't have given two shits if you wanted to run around in a big dust field with AKs playing rambo.

As for the effect of the language though, I disagree.

This is arguably the biggest failure we've had in Afghanistan. All of our language skills, and therefore all of our diplomacy, have been focused on Dari, but only about a 1/2 of the population speaks this. Our "win the hearts and minds" efforts have all but entirely ignored half the country, the south. And this is where we have lost our asses. And strategically this is also the most important region because of trade routes.

Posted by: Andrew at February 01, 2013 03:17 PM (HS3dy)

366 >>>The anti-Israel sentiment over there has absolutely nothing to do with Islam.

Ahhhh - no. If you were Christian in Lebanon and didn't want to get blowed up whose flag would you fly?

>>>It takes a pretty extreme person to set about opposing someone like
Mubarak. That naturally results in organizations like the Brotherhood.

Ahhhh - no. If the majority of Egyptians were willing to fight and die for a free society they would have it. If the majority of your population is not willing to fight and die for freedom you really don't want it.

>>>>If we weren't meddling in things organizations like MB would have no leg to stand on

Ahhhh - no. We are the biggest economy in the world. We are always a foil whether or not we actually DO anything.

>>> He wanted to bring down the Saudi Royals and other monarchs running the Arab world.

And replace them with.....Drumroll...A different totalitarian regime.

>>>The whole thing is quite fascinating really.
Your complete misconception about the world is quite fascinating.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 01, 2013 03:19 PM (0q2P7)

367 Who said anything about obstacle, the issue is responsibility. You blame a nation of 30 million people for the actions of 19 men who weren't from their country and didn't even speak the same language?
Posted by: Andrew at February 01, 2013 03:17 PM (HS3dy)
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Huh...? This doesn't have a damn thing to do with "blaming a nation of 30 million for the actions of 19 men"; I don't know where you got that. But here's what you wrote:

Name a single instance in which the Taliban has attacked the USA?

You realize they don't even speak the same language as the 911 terrorists right? Are you aware of this. They can't even talk to each other. In fact English is closer to their language linguistically than Arabic is.


That sure sounds like you're saying that people like the Taliban and people like the 911 bombers couldn't work together because they spoke different languages.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at February 01, 2013 03:24 PM (Y5I9o)

368 Your complete misconception about the world is quite fascinating.



Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at February 01, 2013 03:19 PM (0q2P7)

I take comfort in the fact that muslim pacifiers, islamic extremist apologists, and code pink get along types will be the first to be executed when the islamic fanatics take over the world.The gays, lesbians, outspoken non compliant women are going to be endangered species.Stonings Hangings Beheadings Oh My!On the bright side, Hillary, Roseanne, O'Donnel, Albright, Sebelius, Big Sis, they will all be forced to wear Burkas so we dont have to look at them and their cankles.

Posted by: Jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at February 01, 2013 03:24 PM (+OTLF)

369 "A bigger fucking fairytale than Barack Hussein Obama."

Please tell me the history of how Khomeini rose to power? If you need help, watch Argo, they give the whole history at the beginning of the movie. Here's a hint - WHY did they attack the embassy? What was their demand?

Oh yeah, I remember, they demanded we turn over Mohammed Pahlavi, the Shah of Iran, a monarch that WE imposed after the US-backed coup staged against Mosaddegh. He nationalized private property, like oil fields, which magically we were drilling. The man was corrupt as the day is long, abused his people, and was just a bad dude. This resulted in Islamic fundamentalists crying out against him and leading to a revolution which then resulted in their being put in power. Shah flees to the US, we harbor him, they sack the embassy and demand we trade hostages for this guy. Carter was a pussy and did nothing either way.

Posted by: Andrew at February 01, 2013 03:25 PM (HS3dy)

370 361

i noticed you said nothing about the CIA/bin Laden/Taliban canard, which i assume means you know it's bullshit.

"And frankly, our reaction played right into his hands."

in Afghanistan? how? we got rid of the government sheltering al Qaeda. but you seem to subscribe to this "attacking enemies only makes them stronger" (jumping directly to the Arab Spring through a strained connection toward our actions in Afghanistan/Iraq) view so i can't really help you there.

"MB doesn't have power because the people want a hard line Islamic government. Most of the people DONT want this."

not true. most people want an Islamic government, "hardline" or otherwise.

and again, the strongmen you're talking about have been some of the people in the best position to broker an Israeli-Palestinian peace if another opportunity ever presents itself. so why does it matter if people are mad at them? if the I-P conflict is so central like you say, shouldn't we have them help us defuse it and then everything would be A-OK?

Posted by: JDP at February 01, 2013 03:25 PM (60GaT)

371 "I take comfort in the fact that muslim pacifiers, islamic extremist apologists, and code pink get along types will be the first to be executed when the islamic fanatics take over the world.The gays, lesbians, outspoken non compliant women are going to be endangered species.Stonings Hangings Beheadings Oh My!On the bright side, Hillary, Roseanne, O'Donnel, Albright, Sebelius, Big Sis, they will all be forced to wear Burkas so we dont have to look at them and their cankles."

You should go on Piers Morgan...

Posted by: Andrew at February 01, 2013 03:25 PM (HS3dy)

372 "in Afghanistan? how? we got rid of the government sheltering al Qaeda."

Taliban wasn't sheltering Al Qaeda. Their reaction was, "hey, we had nothing to do with this, they are over there on that mountain, have fun." They tried to distance themselves as much as possible.

"not true. most people want an Islamic government, "hardline" or otherwise."

Eh. I would agree Islam will be a factory in any government they want, but I'm speaking about strictly the hardline kind. Without a doubt our government has been influenced by Christian values. In much the same way they would seek the same for their government, but this is a lot different than a theocracy. Perhaps to clarify I would say majority are not for a theocratic system.

Either way what is your point?

Posted by: Andrew at February 01, 2013 03:30 PM (HS3dy)

373 369
"A bigger fucking fairytale than Barack Hussein Obama."



Please tell me the history of how Khomeini rose to power? If you
need help, watch Argo, they give the whole history at the beginning of
the movie. Here's a hint - WHY did they attack the embassy? What was
their demand?



Oh yeah, I remember, they demanded we turn over Mohammed Pahlavi,
the Shah of Iran, a monarch that WE imposed after the US-backed coup
staged against Mosaddegh. He nationalized private property, like oil
fields, which magically we were drilling. The man was corrupt as the
day is long, abused his people, and was just a bad dude. This resulted
in Islamic fundamentalists crying out against him and leading to a
revolution which then resulted in their being put in power. Shah flees
to the US, we harbor him, they sack the embassy and demand we trade
hostages for this guy. Carter was a pussy and did nothing either way.

Posted by: Andrew at February 01, 2013 03:25 PM (HS3dy)
I don't need to watch a movie that trivializes the internal dynamics of the country at the time to make it pallatable and consumable to fairytale chasing simpleton fucktards who think 2 hours can explain what happened in a country they know nothing about, you ignorant condescending cunt. I lived through the islamic revolution and my family and i came to the states right before the Shah was deposed. Ignorant self absorbed twats like yourself who think because you watched a fucking movie you are a fucking expert? I lived through it and lost family members to the new regime in power.Suck my persian dick you fucking asshole. If YOU need help, here is a big fucking clue, just pull the naive muslim apologist dick out of your moth first.cocksucker.

Posted by: Jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at February 01, 2013 03:32 PM (+OTLF)

374 "Taliban wasn't sheltering Al Qaeda. Their reaction was, "hey, we had
nothing to do with this, they are over there on that mountain, have
fun." They tried to distance themselves as much as possible."

forget it, you're a moron

Posted by: JDP at February 01, 2013 03:33 PM (60GaT)

375 "That sure sounds like you're saying that people like the Taliban and people like the 911 bombers couldn't work together because they spoke different languages. "

Not saying they couldn't work together, I'm saying they DIDN'T work together. Unequivocally, the Taliban had NOTHING to do with 911. This is my statement.

Trying to impose Democracy on them is a futile waste of time. All it has achieved is making enemies out of people that didn't care about us before. We have created NEW threats that never existed.

Posted by: Andrew at February 01, 2013 03:33 PM (HS3dy)

376 Also, Reza Palavi was 100 Times better for the people and the country than Khomeini that cocksucking mother fucker. But you would know that if you actually fucking knew anything about iran before and after the revolution...you ignorant cunt.

Posted by: Jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at February 01, 2013 03:34 PM (+OTLF)

377 off to work. no point argueing with an ignorant twat. Too bad we arent in present day Iran, two "witnesses" and an representative of the "Office of Moral Affairs" and your sorry ass would be off to the gallows or the stoning pit.

Posted by: Jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at February 01, 2013 03:36 PM (+OTLF)

378 Jeremiah, read what I said again. I didn't say I got my information from a movie. I rather sarcastically suggested you go checkout the movie given how ignorant a lot of what you're saying is.

If you've been reading what I've said, you know I've lived abroad in the ME for almost a decade. I've served in Afghanistan. I've gone to college in the middle east. I speak Arabic. I'm not some kid reading wikipedia. If you had asked me my opinion a decade ago I would have sounded like Sean Hannity. I went to the middle east specifically because I wanted to serve my country and join the fight, and I did, but I walked away with a very different perspective.

You now say that you're an Iranian-American and lived and saw with your own two eyes the Iranian Revolution? And you were old enough to understand the politics of what was going on at that time? Given that you disparage Muslims I'm truly finding this hard to believe. You talk and cuss like someone in high school.

Posted by: Andrew at February 01, 2013 03:41 PM (HS3dy)

379 " Reza Palavi was 100 Times better for the people and the country than Khomeini that cocksucking mother fucker. But you would know that if you actually fucking knew anything about iran before and after the revolution...you ignorant cunt."

Where did I say Palavi was worse? Maybe if you tried cussing less and listening more you'd comprehend what I'm actually saying.

Let me phrase it another way for you. I don't care what happens in Iran. I don't care if they are free or slaves. Not my country, not my problem. What I'm against is influencing this. Who the hell am I to choose their fate. If they want Khomeini gone, rise up and get rid of him. Don't ask me to do it for you. Don't ask me to pay for it.

Where in the Constitution does it authorize that taxdollars be handed to foreign people?

American taxdollars for for Americans!

Posted by: Andrew at February 01, 2013 03:45 PM (HS3dy)

380 378
Jeremiah, read what I said again. I didn't say I got my information
from a movie. I rather sarcastically suggested you go checkout the
movie given how ignorant a lot of what you're saying is.



If you've been reading what I've said, you know I've lived abroad in
the ME for almost a decade. I've served in Afghanistan. I've gone to
college in the middle east. I speak Arabic. I'm not some kid reading
wikipedia. If you had asked me my opinion a decade ago I would have
sounded like Sean Hannity. I went to the middle east specifically
because I wanted to serve my country and join the fight, and I did, but I
walked away with a very different perspective.



You now say that you're an Iranian-American and lived and saw with
your own two eyes the Iranian Revolution? And you were old enough to
understand the politics of what was going on at that time? Given that
you disparage Muslims I'm truly finding this hard to believe. You talk
and cuss like someone in high school.

Posted by: Andrew at February 01, 2013 03:41 PM (HS3dy)

Fuck off asshole. You are ignorant. You are naive and as far as I am concerned you are a fucking piece of shit. I dont give a shit what you believe. And the fact that you think of iran is purely muslim nation - because otherwise a persian would never disparage muslims...shows how limited your knowledge is.Fucking retard. later.

Posted by: Jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at February 01, 2013 03:46 PM (+OTLF)

381 Jeremiah, perhaps you'd like to tell me off in Farsi since you're an Iranian American who lived through the revolution.

Posted by: Andrew at February 01, 2013 03:46 PM (HS3dy)

382 I'm saying they DIDN'T work together. Unequivocally, the Taliban had NOTHING to do with 911. This is my statement.
Posted by: Andrew at February 01, 2013 03:33 PM (HS3dy)
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Ok, but again this sidesteps the issue. The point is not, and never was, who was directly operationally responsible for 911. The reason it's not has to do with the distinction between overt state sponsorship and indirect state support.

But fuck this, you keep strawmanning and going in circles.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at February 01, 2013 03:47 PM (Y5I9o)

383 "Fuck off asshole. You are ignorant. You are naive and as far as I am concerned you are a fucking piece of shit. I dont give a shit what you believe. And the fact that you think of iran is purely muslim nation - because otherwise a persian would never disparage muslims...shows how limited your knowledge is.Fucking retard. later."

So you're an Iranian-American who lived during the revolution? So you must have left around 1978? So for you to have been old enough to actually understand what was going on, you were born in at least what, 1970? The 60s? So you 40s or 50s? And you talk like a high schooler? Enraged, cussing, incapable of a rational discussion?

Uh huh.

Posted by: Andrew at February 01, 2013 03:54 PM (HS3dy)

384 381
Jeremiah, perhaps you'd like to tell me off in Farsi since you're an Iranian American who lived through the revolution.

Posted by: Andrew at February 01, 2013 03:46 PM (HS3dy)
Here i will do it phonetically for you since you clearly have a Reading Is Fun understanding of the world.Az Kuneh toh borro Mahdar Gabeh

Posted by: Jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at February 01, 2013 03:56 PM (+OTLF)

385 make sure you swallow the G. its not hard like in english...you dickshit.

Posted by: Jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at February 01, 2013 03:57 PM (+OTLF)

386 Also, i am 49 years old. You do the math mother fucker.

Posted by: Jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at February 01, 2013 03:58 PM (+OTLF)

387 "Ok, but again this sidesteps the issue. The point is not, and never was, who was directly operationally responsible for 911. The reason it's not has to do with the distinction between overt state sponsorship and indirect state support. "

How am I sidestepping? The original topic is Hagel. The side topic is about foreign intervention. The point about Afghanistan is that this is an example of intervention failed. Al Qaeda was a legitimate target. After neutralizing them we sought about regime change in Afghanistan because of guilt by association. That objective has been an abysmal failure.

Posted by: Andrew at February 01, 2013 03:59 PM (HS3dy)

388 "Also, i am 49 years old. You do the math mother fucker."

You realize I'm giving you a hard time just because you're being irascible... I'm twenty years younger than you. How can you be this immature?

My perspective has changed dramatically over the past decade and still is changing. I'm happy to be influenced by a rationale argument. Tossing profanities doesn't lead down that path. I'm sure you've heard the word "ad hominem." It's a logical fallacy where you debate the person instead of the topic, this is what you're doing.

Posted by: Andrew at February 01, 2013 04:05 PM (HS3dy)

389 You argue from a false sense of superiority undermined by your stunning ignorance. On top of that you automatically assume others do not know as much as you do...thats the hallmark of immaturity.

Now, since you probably need a translation of the earlier insult, here it is for you:

Shove it up your ass, Mother Fucker.

Posted by: Jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at February 01, 2013 04:08 PM (+OTLF)

390 I'm sure you've heard the word "ad hominem." It's a logical fallacy where you debate the person instead of the topic, this is what you're doing.

Posted by: Andrew at February 01, 2013 04:05 PM (HS3dy)
So you're an Iranian-American who lived during the
revolution? So you must have left around 1978? So for you to have been
old enough to actually understand what was going on, you were born in
at least what, 1970? The 60s? So you 40s or 50s? And you talk like a
high schooler? Enraged, cussing, incapable of a rational discussion?



Uh huh.

Posted by: Andrew at February 01, 2013 03:54 PM (HS3dy)
381
Jeremiah, perhaps you'd like to tell me off in Farsi since you're an Iranian American who lived through the revolution.

Posted by: Andrew at February 01, 2013 03:46 PM (HS3dy)
You now say that you're an Iranian-American and lived and saw with

your own two eyes the Iranian Revolution? And you were old enough to

understand the politics of what was going on at that time? Given that

you disparage Muslims I'm truly finding this hard to believe. You talk

and cuss like someone in high school.



Posted by: Andrew at February 01, 2013 03:41 PM (HS3dy)
Pot meet fucking kettle. You dont need to say fuck to make it an ad hominem attack you sanctimonious little prick. Ad Hominem can be subtle too...metrosexual code pink subtle...like you.

Posted by: Jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at February 01, 2013 04:12 PM (+OTLF)

391 ok really really need to get to work. I will come back and shit on you more later if you are still lonely.

Khoda hafes

Posted by: Jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at February 01, 2013 04:13 PM (+OTLF)

392 btw you might want to brush up on your understanding of an ad hominem attack.Description of Ad Hominem


Translated from Latin to English, "Ad Hominem" means
"against the man" or "against the person."


An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or
argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the
author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically,
this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character
of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made
(or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the
claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim
or argument the person in question is making (or presenting). This type
of "argument" has the following form:

Person A makes claim X.
Person B makes an attack on person A.
Therefore A's claim is false.



The reason why an Ad Hominem (of any kind) is a fallacy is that the
character, circumstances, or actions of a person do not (in most cases)
have a bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim being made (or the
quality of the argument being made).

Posted by: Jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at February 01, 2013 04:18 PM (+OTLF)

393 technically...my attacks were just pure insults.

yours were the adhominem....mr smartypants.

Posted by: Jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka Ali Muhammad Surpra-izi Amin U'rbu T'hol wright at February 01, 2013 04:20 PM (+OTLF)

394 LEAVE MIKA ALONE!!!11

Posted by: Zbig at February 01, 2013 04:24 PM (Id+W0)

395 So the guy who murdered an intern, and the 'Devil Wears Prada' look-alike thought the Repubs were "too mean" in their line of questions??? Here's some advice: STOP SNIFFING GLUE!!!

And in regards to the "Policy of Containment" comment... I'd like to know how many times obama kicked the wall before he had somebody inform Hagel that he "misspoke"...! Buffoons!!!

Posted by: BOdontknow at February 01, 2013 04:34 PM (FYvb/)

396
These are my demands. My balls are in your court.

I'm about to do a Mickey Mantle on your balls. Hope it doesn't hurt.

Much.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at February 01, 2013 06:25 PM (1hM1d)

397 Scarborough has a particularly miniscule set of balls to make the claim on HIS show that the Republican questioners were a clown show.

I'd like to get the red nose concession for Congress please. Got it? Awesome, now I can retire. In a week I'll be richer than Gore.

Posted by: dissent555 at February 01, 2013 07:39 PM (yR6A1)

398
Meh, really, really late to this thread so I'll keep it short.

Scarborough has been irelavent since before he quit his House seat.

Posted by: Gmac - Waiting for the revolution at February 01, 2013 10:32 PM (IanLz)






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