Mayor Ed Koch Dead at 88

R.I.P.

Mixed memories about his mayorship from Richard Brookhiser.

Posted by: Ace at 11:41 AM



Comments

1 Koch will spend eternity in his beloved Manhattan. He announced in 2008 that he had purchased a plot at the Trinity Church cemetery, after learning that the church permits Jews to be buried there. It is the only active cemetery left in Manhattan.

"I don't want to leave Manhattan, even when I'm gone. This is my home," Koch explained. "The thought of having to go to New Jersey was so distressing to me."

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 01, 2013 11:44 AM (GsoHv)

2 How much do you think that plot cost?

Posted by: waldo at February 01, 2013 11:46 AM (jwumz)

3 He announced in 2008 that he had purchased a plot at the Trinity Church cemetery, after learning that the church permits Jews to be buried there. It is the only active cemetery left in Manhattan.

Selling 'em cheap & stacking 'em deep!

Posted by: rickb223 at February 01, 2013 11:46 AM (GFM2b)

4 Ace moves in on Drew with a perfectly executed dickstomp.

Thread disappearance imminent...

Posted by: Jollyroger at February 01, 2013 11:47 AM (t06LC)

5
"The thought of having to go to New Jersey was so distressing to me."

He could have gone to Queens. That's where my family is buried.
The ones that made it out of Europe.

Posted by: garrett at February 01, 2013 11:47 AM (ZeXuI)

6 Michael Bloomberg said that Ed Koch will be given a waiver so his funeral urn can exceed 16 ounces.

Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at February 01, 2013 11:47 AM (2AlPN)

7 'The people have spoken. Now they must be punished' - Ed Koch. Said before the election and re-election of Barry Fauxtoro.

Posted by: Nostradamus Koch at February 01, 2013 11:48 AM (ypzqs)

8 RIP Mr. Mayor.

I didn't always agree with his politics but I admired his style.

Who else could have gotten away with wearing a green prayer shawl while marshaling the St. Patrick's Day Parade.

Oh, and Chu quit as Energy Secretary.

Posted by: Nighthawk at February 01, 2013 11:48 AM (RSqz2)

9 Drew is the new meatball.

Posted by: Tami at February 01, 2013 11:48 AM (X6akg)

10 Posted by: garrett at February 01, 2013 11:47 AM (ZeXuI)

I have a few in the big Jewish cemetery in Brooklyn.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 01, 2013 11:48 AM (GsoHv)

11 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at February 01, 2013 11:50 AM (/eBe8)

12 Rest in peace

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at February 01, 2013 11:50 AM (DGIjM)

13 --from the Brookhiser link:


He turned a blind eye to corruption. Koch started as a reform Democrat in the Village — he beat Carmine de Sapio, last of the bosses, on de Sapio’s home turf — yet as mayor he signed over whole boroughs to hacks and crooks: Stanley Friedman, and Donald Manes (who killed himself as the law finally closed in).

_________________

Sorry but the name Carmine de Sapio--you couldn't make up a more guido sounding name if you tried.

And then--Donald Manes--that's the guy that took a meat axe to himself or something--right?

Posted by: tasker at February 01, 2013 11:50 AM (r2PLg)

14 YES! I am no longer banned!

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at February 01, 2013 11:50 AM (DGIjM)

15 Oh, and Chu quit as Energy Secretary.
Posted by: Nighthawk at February 01, 2013 11:48 AM (RSqz2)


I believe that's supposed to be "Nobel Prize Winner Stephen Chu," to be HQ compliant.

Oh, wait -- that's to be MFM compliant.

never mind!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 01, 2013 11:50 AM (4df7R)

16 Welcome back, Jumbo Shrimp!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 01, 2013 11:51 AM (4df7R)

17 He announced in 2008 that he had purchased a plot at the Trinity Church
cemetery, after learning that the church permits Jews to be buried
there. It is the only active cemetery left in Manhattan.



The Jewish Lobby - is there nothing it can't do?

Posted by: Sen. Chuck Hagel at February 01, 2013 11:51 AM (2AlPN)

18 I never lived in NY, so my knowledge of the former Mayor is pretty much limited to his stint on The People's Court. He was quite a character. Good sense of humor.

Posted by: Methos at February 01, 2013 11:52 AM (hO9ad)

19 Former New York City mayor Ed Koch died Friday morning at the age of 88. He plans to be buried in Manhattan, the three-term mayor said in 2008


Koch explained his plans in 2008 to the Associated Press:

The marker will bear the Star of David and a Hebrew prayer, “Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One.” It also will be inscribed with the last words of journalist Daniel Pearl before he was murdered by terrorists in 2002: “My father is Jewish. My mother is Jewish. I am Jewish.”
Koch explained that he had been moved that Pearl chose to affirm his faith and heritage in his last moments.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 01, 2013 11:52 AM (9Bj8R)

20 Thanks MWR.. was the longest 2 days of my life.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at February 01, 2013 11:52 AM (DGIjM)

21 There is a great 20 minute video of the mayor at the NY Slime which is really good.


Now, O/T in the same issue of the NY Slime a story about Mali and the invasion, well worth reading. The money line??



“Our lives were turned upside down,” Dr. Maiga said. “They had guns, so
whatever they asked, we did. It was useless to resist.”



This is why we keep out guns!

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 01, 2013 11:53 AM (wR+pz)

22 And in maybe his last political act, Koch was against hagel.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 01, 2013 11:53 AM (9Bj8R)

23 @19.. I did not know those were Pearls last words. Wow.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at February 01, 2013 11:53 AM (DGIjM)

24 Saturday Night Live: There's a jumper on the ledge.

Crowd: Don't jump! Don't jump.

[Mayor Koch comes out]: It's okay, it's me, Mayor Koch!

Crowd: Jump! Jump!

Posted by: JohnW at February 01, 2013 11:55 AM (P6JLM)

25 And Now Look what those New Yawkers got, seems like just yesterday I was in Hong Kong getting a shoe shine, sauna and message for 14 US Bucks and that included a 7 buck tip..
Now you can not get a Large Soda in NYC, or pack a pistol on a site seeing trip in town, how the world has changed..

Posted by: Clemenza at February 01, 2013 11:56 AM (Q8Pu5)

26 Some of my best memories of growing up in NYC was listening to people heckle the jumpers.

Posted by: garrett at February 01, 2013 11:56 AM (ZeXuI)

27 “Our lives were turned upside down,” Dr. Maiga said. “They had guns, so whatever they asked, we did. It was useless to resist.” This is why we keep out guns!
Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 01, 2013 11:53 AM (wR+pz)



Cue asshole regressives saying, "That's MALI. That'd never happen HERE."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 01, 2013 11:56 AM (4df7R)

28 Daniel Pearl before he was murdered by terrorists in 2002: “My father is Jewish. My mother is Jewish. I am Jewish.”

That's what a real martyr looks like.

*flips the bird towards mecca*

Posted by: Methos at February 01, 2013 11:57 AM (hO9ad)

29 "How much do you think that plot cost?"

He bought it with the money he saved by living essentially rent-free for several decades, between rent control and the free digs provided by the taxpayers. A pretty slick scam if you can pull it off--which Mayor Ed did with élan.

"How'm I doin'?"

Posted by: Rufus T. Firefly at February 01, 2013 11:57 AM (2yov+)

30 By the way, Trinity is not the only cemetery in Manhattan. The WSJ even had a story a few years ago about one near Wall St. Basically you were buying a spot to put your casket in.

Trinity, the mayor and Alexander Hamilton, same spot. Who would have thought?

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 01, 2013 11:57 AM (wR+pz)

31 I mentioned on a previous thread that I didn't agree with Mayor Koch on everything, but I never doubted that he was a good man and a proud American. Nanny Bloomers isn't even qualified to shine the man's shoes.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 01, 2013 11:58 AM (4df7R)

32 Ed Koch:

He was drafted[9] into the United States Army in 1943 where he served as an infantryman with the 104th Infantry Division, landing in Cherbourg, France in September 1944. He earned two Battle Stars as a combat infantryman. He was honorably discharged with the rank of Sergeant in 1946.[5]

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 01, 2013 11:59 AM (9Bj8R)

33 And then--Donald Manes--that's the guy that took a meat axe to himself or something--right?

Knife to the chest. Not to be confused with "boot to the head."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 01, 2013 11:59 AM (zF6Iw)

34
For Posted by: Jeff Weimer at February 01, 2013 11:35 AM (xaCBT) , who wanted to hear my Nicaragua story that is now deeply buried in a dead thread.

If you're still out there Jeff:

I was monitoring the cleanup of the EOD range (for human remains) at Eaker AFB. It was a months long cleanup so I got to know several of the EOD techs pretty well. Didn't hurt that I was an Army brat and liked things that went boom and guns and stuff either. So I had lots more of their confidence than my co-workers.

So one EOD tech started reminiscing with his buddy about the time they got kicked off a transport plane. The story I wrangled out of them was they had nothing to do so they decided to check out the load of a cargo plane that had recently arrived. In it they found artillery barrels smashed through windshields of jeeps and a bunch of other damaged stuff. It was obvious to the techs the plane was loaded in a big hurry for a quick bug out.

And speaking of bugs, every vehicle was chock full of insect repellant cans, mostly used. When the EOD techs started talking to either the guards or the plane's crew about the combination of the loading technique and the bug spray cans they were told to go away and keep their mouths shut.

Turns out, this was within 24 hours of Congressman Dellums calling for a fact finding mission to Nicaragua to see if there was any US military equipment there. They did, indeed, form a group that visited Nicaragua about four days later. And they didn't find anything.

Posted by: Ed Anger at February 01, 2013 11:59 AM (tOkJB)

35 It also will be inscribed with the last words of journalist Daniel Pearl before he was murdered by terrorists in 2002: “My father is Jewish. My mother is Jewish. I am Jewish.”

And his traitorous fellow "journalists" will gladly wallpaper over his memory because it goes against their precious narrative. They're pure, undistilled evil.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 01, 2013 12:00 PM (4df7R)

36
Ace walks by and casually shoots Drew's tread laying on the couch.

"Oh, did I break your concentration?"

Posted by: jwest at February 01, 2013 12:01 PM (ZDsRL)

37
@35

The WSJ will never forget, I promise you that.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 01, 2013 12:01 PM (wR+pz)

38 He was 1000 times better than the current idiot that is mayor of NYC.

Posted by: Vic at February 01, 2013 12:02 PM (53z96)

39 Ed Koch used to make some scene when he was in Israel. It was almost like he was the Mayor of Israel there are so many New Yorkers there.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 01, 2013 12:02 PM (9Bj8R)

40 Don't mean to be a downer, but Christians are killed everyday in towel head land and there doesn't seem to be any outrage?

Note to Christians, buy some media.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 01, 2013 12:03 PM (wR+pz)

41 Posted by: Sen. Chuck Hagel at February 01, 2013 11:51 AM

I have no doubt that where ever Ed Koch is now he smiled at that one.

Posted by: Long Island at February 01, 2013 12:03 PM (hl8SI)

42 The WSJ will never forget, I promise you that.
Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 01, 2013 12:01 PM (wR+pz)


Bless them for that.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 01, 2013 12:03 PM (4df7R)

43 I believe that's supposed to be "Nobel Prize Winner Stephen Chu," to be HQ compliant.

In experimental physics.

He outsourced the thinking to somebody else.

I guess his replacement will be a Solyndra executive?

Posted by: AmishDude at February 01, 2013 12:03 PM (T0NGe)

44 Posted by: Ed Anger at February 01, 2013 11:59 AM

Sweet. Thanks.

Posted by: Jeff Weimer at February 01, 2013 12:04 PM (xaCBT)

45 Mayor Koch was a good guy. I didn't agree with him often but I respected him.

RIP sir.

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 01, 2013 12:04 PM (8sCoq)

46
I guess it goes without saying that Ronald Reagan was president when that story about Nicaragua took place.

The last American President to hate commies.

Posted by: Ed Anger at February 01, 2013 12:05 PM (tOkJB)

47 When I was a freshman in high school, we made a bus trip to NYC. There was a transport strike at the time, and while we were stuck in traffic, Hizzoner (seeing a bus and figuring it to be full of his constituents) leaped on board and yelled "We're gonna win!" Somebody at the back of the bus who recognized him yelled back, "We're from Massachusetts!" Koch gave us a huge grin and said, "We're gonna win anyway!" That was my one and only experience with the man. But, somehow, quintessentially Noo Yawk.

BTW, did you know that in the late 90's Koch co-authored a series of mystery novels, with himself solving crimes while being mayor-for-life? Murder at City Hall was the first.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 01, 2013 12:05 PM (zF6Iw)

48 Wasn't Koch recently in the news throwing barbs at Gov Cuomo? Staying in the game to the end. RIP Ed

Posted by: Long Island at February 01, 2013 12:05 PM (hl8SI)

49 I don't know if this thread is slow because everyone's checking the other thread, or if that thread's slow because everyone's on THIS thread, or if both threads are slow because everyone's waiting to see if someone will step on this post with something new.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 01, 2013 12:06 PM (4df7R)

50 RIP. I always kinda liked the guy, despite our probable disagreements in policy.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 01, 2013 12:06 PM (p/cQy)

51 He was a great mayor. I grew up under Wagner, Lindsay,Beame, the near bankruptcy of the city. Koch turned things around, and although Dinkins partly destroyed his work, Rudi built on what Koch had done earlier.

One thing that is not coming out in the obits is how much he did to restore morale in what looked like a dying city, using his sense of humor to remind New Yorkers that they lived in a special place. There were the signs on the subway, "You've got to be crazy to live in New York, but you'd be nuts to live anywhere else" and "New York, New York--it may drive you crazy, but you'll never be bored." And street signs--" No stopping, no standing, no parking, NO KIDDING." When there was a subway strike, Koch stood on the walkway of the Brooklyn Bridge, with a megaphone, cheering on the Brooklynites who were tramping in to their jobs in Manhattan. The difference in the mood of the city between 1975, when I went away to college, and 1979, when I came back, was extraordinary.

For conservatives, this is very important. He spent a lot of time and energy getting New Yorkers to rededicate themselves to their city, not by some big political action group, but by getting them to remain in town, to invest in town, to help the city by living their individual lives there.

Posted by: Burke at February 01, 2013 12:06 PM (CrqI6)

52 Koch never tried to ban Big Gulps or salt.

Seemed like the type of guy you could have a drink with.

Posted by: The Political Hat at February 01, 2013 12:07 PM (Vk2pI)

53 no body wants to go OT on a memorial thread within 100 comments, so, its slow

Posted by: Thunderb at February 01, 2013 12:07 PM (Dnbau)

54
Didn't the garbage men go on strike while Koch was mayor?

That was a real episode in NYC history.

Posted by: Ed Anger at February 01, 2013 12:08 PM (tOkJB)

55
Ed Koch was a mensch.
Always a gentleman and always affable. I'm saddened by his passing.

Posted by: garrett at February 01, 2013 12:08 PM (ZeXuI)

56 That's what a real martyr looks like.

Don't forget Fabrizio Quattrochi, man of steel:
Thucydides wrote about war in order to study man's character. Conflict brings out both the very best in human nature, and the very worst. The two often emerge simultaneously.


Witness Fabrizio Quattrocchi, 36, a baker from Italy who went to Iraq to work as a security guard for a contracting firm. He and three other Italians were taken hostage by al-Katibat al-Khadra, the Green Battalion, who demanded that Italy release some of the Muslim extremists they are holding, and that Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi apologize for statements he made that allegedly insulted Islam. They showed the hostages on video, and threatened to kill them if their demands were not met. To demonstrate they were serious, they took Quattrocchi to a field, and had him dig a large hole. They then put a hood over his head and forced him to kneel by the grave, preparing to murder him. But Fabrizio did not cooperate. He stood and tried to pull off the hood, shouting, "Now I'll show you how an Italian dies!" The terrorists shot him in the back of the neck. Al Jazeera, which obtained the videotape of the killing, chose not to air it, saying it was "too gruesome." Italian Foreign Minister Franco Frattini said, Fabrizio "died a hero."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 01, 2013 12:08 PM (zF6Iw)

57 Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 01, 2013 12:03 PM (wR+pz)

How'd the LLC gun buying thing work out?

Posted by: Jollyroger at February 01, 2013 12:08 PM (t06LC)

58 I'll really miss him. So many fond memories of him when I lived in the NYC area back then. While not everyone here may agree with all his politics, I really feel he was a decent, kind man. He was loyal to Israel and personally, I think he despised Obama. Really sad he died. I just read that the other night he was enjoying a meal in the city with his doctor. Very shocked to see this.

Posted by: Sassy at February 01, 2013 12:09 PM (GrVRu)

59 For conservatives, this is very important. He spent a lot of time and energy getting New Yorkers to rededicate themselves to their city, not by some big political action group, but by getting them to remain in town, to invest in town, to help the city by living their individual lives there.
Posted by: Burke at February 01, 2013 12:06 PM (CrqI6)


Excellent point. This is why the loss of Breitbart was such a blow; HE would be our Ed Koch right now, cheering us along despite our grim atttude.

We all have to be Breitbarts now, and we all try to be, but we're missing the figurehead to bring us all together.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 01, 2013 12:09 PM (4df7R)

60 Another great Koch moment--when he renamed the street where either the Chinese Consulate or the Chinese Embassy to the UN was--Tianneman Square, shortly after the massacre.

Posted by: Burke at February 01, 2013 12:09 PM (CrqI6)

61 A leader that actually loved the place and the people that he represented.


Literally a dying breed

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at February 01, 2013 12:10 PM (EZl54)

62 @56.. OMG. wow.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at February 01, 2013 12:12 PM (DGIjM)

63 He stood and tried to pull off the hood, shouting, "Now I'll show you how an Italian dies!"

Bravo, Signor Quattrochi. You did your country proud.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 01, 2013 12:12 PM (4df7R)

64 60 Another great Koch moment--when he renamed the street where either the Chinese Consulate or the Chinese Embassy to the UN was--Tianneman Square, shortly after the massacre.
Posted by: Burke at February 01, 2013 12:09 PM (CrqI6)

heh. thats awesome.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at February 01, 2013 12:13 PM (DGIjM)

65 Do some people still whisper that he was Teh Ghey?

Posted by: logprof at February 01, 2013 12:13 PM (jVAw4)

66 Koch was truly one of the last American Democrats.

Posted by: garrett at February 01, 2013 12:13 PM (ZeXuI)

67 F#ck Koch. Mayor Crass wasDoomberg without the shoe lifts! If you didn't live in "teh citeh" you were an ignorant, unsophisticated hick. And don't think for a second he wouldn't have implemented what Doomberg has if he thought he could've gotten away with it.

Posted by: Upstate New Yorker at February 01, 2013 12:13 PM (Ph479)

68 65 - no, he was supposedly a-sexual. Not interested in anyone.

Posted by: Sassy at February 01, 2013 12:14 PM (GrVRu)

69
Posted by: Upstate New Yorker at February 01, 2013 12:13 PM (Ph479)

Shut the Fuck up, woodchuck.

Posted by: garrett at February 01, 2013 12:14 PM (ZeXuI)

70 He announced in 2008 that he had purchased a plot at the Trinity Church cemetery, after learning that the church permits Jews to be buried there.

Smile.

Posted by: Decaf at February 01, 2013 12:15 PM (NmvvV)

71 Of course, the #1 requirement for a mayor of a major U.S. city is loyalty to another nation ...

Posted by: Gerry at February 01, 2013 12:16 PM (i8u8P)

72 Do some people still whisper that he was Teh Ghey?

Ask Bess Meyerson.

I'm willing to cut Koch some slack on his stumping for TFG; I'd like to think it was because:
1. party;
2. ignorance of his anti-Semitism; and
3. Koch came from a generation of Jews that saw support for The Negro Question to be a paramount political issue.

So, like the rest, I tip my hat to Hizzoner. A true mensch and a good American.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 01, 2013 12:16 PM (zF6Iw)

73 Koch spoke his mind and he didn't give a damn if he disagreed with fellow Democrats. The feud with Cuomo goes way back. He admitted recently to coming to terms with Cuomo but personally I get the feeling he thought Cuomo was a self important jerk. Such as when Cuomo won and Koch went to visit him at his hotel to congratulate him and the Cuomo people wouldn't let him in.

Posted by: Sassy at February 01, 2013 12:17 PM (GrVRu)

74 @57

Posted about it twice in last two days.

GREAT!

Larry Hyatt, owns Hyatt gun largest in the country, told me he had never done it, but if all my permits etc were OK, he didn't give a shit and would sell the gun to my LLC.

This doesn't get me off the weapon, but it solves any transfer problems later.

I am inventorying my guns to sell them to the family LLC. Fuck, I had no idea how many guns I have. Like Christmas going over all of them.

Thanks for the tip!!!

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 01, 2013 12:17 PM (wR+pz)

75 Ed Koch was a human being first and always. Politician was second. And you always knew that. Good guy. Shalom Ed.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 01, 2013 12:17 PM (EVyWz)

76
I Binged it. Lindsay way mayor for the great NYC garbage men strike of 1968.

Posted by: Ed Anger at February 01, 2013 12:18 PM (tOkJB)

77 @75

True dat.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 01, 2013 12:19 PM (wR+pz)

78 wow.

sick little antisemite roaches crawling all over this thread.



Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at February 01, 2013 12:19 PM (EZl54)

79 Koch brought tourism back to NYC. Up until then, it was a disgusting slum. He invigorated the arts and made the city a destination once again. I remember the ad campaigns back then: the I heart NY. So many memories.

Posted by: Sassy at February 01, 2013 12:19 PM (GrVRu)

80 @74

Glad to help.

Posted by: Jollyroger at February 01, 2013 12:20 PM (t06LC)

81 68 65 - no, he was supposedly a-sexual. Not interested in anyone.

Posted by: Sassy at February 01, 2013 12:14 PM (GrVRu)

--Ah. It's a shame that people just assume asexual men or those just holding out for marriage (I've know a few guys who have pulled that off) are gay by default.

Posted by: logprof at February 01, 2013 12:20 PM (jVAw4)

82 My Brother worked on Koch's first mayoral campaign.

I had the opportunity to meet him and he was gracious and most of all genuine.


He was a classical liberal and what you would want a Democrat to be.


RIP good servant, you've done well and will be remembered!

Posted by: General Woundwort at February 01, 2013 12:20 PM (RrD4h)

83 Nice to see the trolls have crawled out of their festering holes long enough to spew their bile all over a memorial thread.

FOAD, trolls.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 01, 2013 12:22 PM (4df7R)

84
>>It's a shame that people just assume asexual men or those just holding out for marriage (I've know a few guys who have pulled that off) are gay by default.

Being clean and neat doesn't help!

Posted by: Jerry Seinfeld at February 01, 2013 12:22 PM (ZeXuI)

85 It was interesting that Koch, a liberal Jewish Democrat, was such close friends with Cardinal O'Connor, a conservative Irish Catholic, that Nat Hentoff wrote a book about it.

Posted by: logprof at February 01, 2013 12:22 PM (jVAw4)

86 Ed had the humorous type of magnetism that drew you to him to listen, laugh even as he pointed out the issue you had, and then inspired you to fix the problem.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 01, 2013 12:23 PM (EVyWz)

87 Shut the Fuck up, woodchuck.
You have your opinion, and I have mine. Don't like it, move along.

Posted by: Upstate New Yorker at February 01, 2013 12:24 PM (Ph479)

88 Nice to see the trolls have crawled out of their festering holes long enough to spew their bile all over a memorial thread.

FOAD, trolls.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at February 01, 2013 12:22 PM (4df7R)

Trolls being anti semites actually helps us, because we can discount there blather right away instead of having to read through manure to figure out who they are.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on KINDLE finally at February 01, 2013 12:24 PM (l86i3)

89 Forward!

Posted by: logprof at February 01, 2013 12:25 PM (jVAw4)

90 Ugh, my #89 was meant for the top thread.


Seriously, there are trolls in an R.I.P. thread --for a Democrat, no less?? I'm glad I have not read all the comments.

Posted by: logprof at February 01, 2013 12:26 PM (jVAw4)

91 @85

Go to the NY Slime and watch the video that was done ten years ago. Koch almost starts crying when he is telling the story of the Cardinal calling him and telling him to stop being depressed and get up. Koch, clearly touched, says no Rabbi called him.

That took balls to say.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 01, 2013 12:28 PM (wR+pz)

92 @87

you are the one who is not welcome here,


Jordan

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at February 01, 2013 12:28 PM (EZl54)

93 The only thing about the Slime video I found offensive? Koch clearly hated Gullinai and make it clear in the video, basically calling him a mean racist.

I thought that was uncalled for.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at February 01, 2013 12:32 PM (wR+pz)

94
Don't like it, move along.

Suck a dick, retard. You come to a memorial thread and shit on it, someone is going to call you out.
Your chief complaint is the Mayor of aNYC didn't do anything for residents of NY State that didn't reside in said City.
and you are worried that Ed Koch thought you were an ignorant hayseed?
Put your petty political grievances aside and show some fucking respect.

Posted by: garrett at February 01, 2013 12:32 PM (ZeXuI)

95 Koch made non-New Hawkers heart NY.

If Jumbo Shrimp can do it, there may be hope a lowly mindful webworker can someday become un-banned on the office IP. Hope! ONTs notwithstanding.

Posted by: Mindfulguy on the squinty cell at February 01, 2013 12:33 PM (6B4ha)

96 Hey, man can't we all just get along?

Posted by: Zombie Rodney King at February 01, 2013 12:34 PM (wR+pz)

97 Koch was a very nice guy who you could actually have a conversation with. Did we disagree? Sure. But he was an old-time Democrat with whom you could agree to disagree.

And he did not believe in most of what Obama was doing. In one of his last interviews he also had special words for Schumer.

RIP

Posted by: Marcus at February 01, 2013 12:37 PM (GGCsk)

98 I know some native new Yorkers that actually pine for the days when Times Square was a squalid, drug-infested urban wasteland. It added "authenticity" (code word for "we would never go there so who cares"?). I was just up there for a weekend visit and while some may find it to be over-commercialied and Disney-fied, I never felt danger and had no problem bringing the kids. This is more of a salute to Giuliani, now that I think about it.....

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at February 01, 2013 12:37 PM (YmPwQ)

99
Off to make my nursing home and hospital visits, morons. On a day when my back is acting up and I'm forced to take my *horrid* narcotic pain medication. Hope my cable router/modem works next time I turn my box on. It has been on all night since it crapped out over a minor power outage and when that happens I usually have to re-boot it at least 20 times. Grrrr!

Koch reminds me of Lieberman -- too much of a Jew to be your typical totally evil Democrat.

Posted by: Ed Anger at February 01, 2013 12:38 PM (tOkJB)

100 61--- "A leader that actually loved the place and the people that he represented.
Literally a dying breed."

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at February 01, 2013 12:10 PM (EZl54)

YES. That's why, despite his belief in all the usual Democrat nonsense, he never had the leftist spirit, which is born of hatred for what people actually are. He was never the typical Progressive who yearned for a New Man and sought to "fundamentally" change the community.
That's why I never minded his NYC patriotism, even when it was provincial and arrogant toward all non-New-Yorkers. He loved his own and didn't really care about Oregon or Alabama. That's all.
Bloomberg, OTOH, has the attitude of the typical NYC Progressive. He not only wants to remake his own people but loses sleep over what peasants are doing in the Ozarks.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 01, 2013 12:39 PM (C8mVl)

101 Put your petty political grievances aside and show some fucking respect
You mean like he did?

Posted by: Upstate New Yorker at February 01, 2013 12:40 PM (Ph479)

102 I am alwasy surprised when these older folks die and their war service records come up. Much like Charles Durning a few weeks ago, I had no idea that Ed Koch served honorably in the war. RIP.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at February 01, 2013 12:41 PM (YmPwQ)

103 RIP, Mayor Koch.
Ah, the 80's, when we had leaders who would smile REAL smiles.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 01, 2013 12:44 PM (C8mVl)

104 @Margarita

yep. A vestige of a time when there was a reasonable loyal opposition in the Democrat party.

As opposed to today when the left routinely attempts to vaporize human decency in order to prove it's sociopathic point and achieve it's immature goals.




Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at February 01, 2013 12:45 PM (EZl54)

105 You mean like he did? Posted by: Upstate New Yorker at February 01, 2013 12:40 PM (Ph479) Exactly like he did. Great men lead by example. Your pappy should have taught you that.Ed Koch did more good in this world than you will ever know. More importantly, he ascended to do even more and all without seeking any acclaim for his actions. But keep it up. You are representing the inbred sisterfuckers of upstate NY so well.

Posted by: garrett at February 01, 2013 12:49 PM (9x347)

106 Your chief complaint is the Mayor of aNYC didn't do anything for residents of NY State that didn't reside in said City.
You do know he ran for governor, right?

Posted by: Upstate New Yorker at February 01, 2013 12:51 PM (Ph479)

107
>>You do know he ran for governor, right?<<

You argue like I fart.

Posted by: Al Roker at February 01, 2013 12:52 PM (9x347)

108 102 I am alwasy surprised when these older folks die and their war service records come up. Much like Charles Durning a few weeks ago, I had no idea that Ed Koch served honorably in the war. RIP.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at February 01, 2013 12:41 PM (YmPwQ)

--Awesome. Even when Charlie Rangel becomes worm food I'll give him credit for his service.

Posted by: logprof at February 01, 2013 12:53 PM (jVAw4)

109 I am not sure if anyone else has mentioned it, but I enjoyed Koch on The People's Court. He was kind of the Yang to Wapner's Ying.

Posted by: logprof at February 01, 2013 12:55 PM (jVAw4)

110 You are representing the inbred sisterfuckers of upstate NY so well.
I don't have a sister, and btw, I'm of Jewish ancestry, before you accuse me of being a Jew h8r as well. If you look at my comments over the years on this blog, this is the only time I've ever made a negative comment on a memorial thread, and I don't take your criticism lightly. I understand your anger at my comment, but if you want to earn the respect of your possible constituency, you don't insult them. NYC was a pit in the early eighties.

Posted by: Upstate New Yorker at February 01, 2013 01:04 PM (Ph479)

111 @110

Are you an Eagle Scout?

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at February 01, 2013 01:20 PM (EZl54)

112 >>68
65 - no, he was supposedly a-sexual. Not interested in anyone.

Posted by: Sassy..

His "boyfriend" lived at 20 5th Ave (9th st). He would show up always after 10p.. 3-4 nights a week.

NTTAWWT

Posted by: SiM at February 01, 2013 01:23 PM (CFi9O)

113 Are you an Eagle Scout?
Nope, just not a fan of the mayor.

Posted by: Upstate New Yorker at February 01, 2013 01:26 PM (Ph479)

114 112 - how would you know that? Interesting because he always vehemently denied it when people labeled him one thing or another. Do you have proof of this? Because if not, I'm planning to go with what most people said he was, which was asexual.

Posted by: Sassy at February 01, 2013 01:32 PM (GrVRu)

115 Ed Koch was one of the very few,maybe the only left winger I liked.RIP Mayor.

Posted by: steevy at February 01, 2013 01:51 PM (dBYCN)

116 I owned the management company of 20 5th Ave; Sassy. The night doorman
(ex-Marine) would snicker only to me. Common knowlwdge to the other tenants and staff.

Posted by: SiM at February 01, 2013 01:53 PM (CFi9O)

117 110 You are representing the inbred sisterfuckers of upstate NY so well.
I don't have a sister, and btw, I'm of Jewish ancestry, before you accuse me of being a Jew h8r as well. If you look at my comments over the years on this blog, this is the only time I've ever made a negative comment on a memorial thread, and I don't take your criticism lightly. I understand your anger at my comment, but if you want to earn the respect of your possible constituency, you don't insult them. NYC was a pit in the early eighties.
Posted by: Upstate New Yorker at February 01, 2013 01:04 PM (Ph479)


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I will confirm for you that Koch did sneer at upstaters, even when he ran for governor, but the rest of your assessment is way off base. New York City was flourishing in the early eighties (it was during the 60's and 70's, under Lindsay and Beame, that it reached it's low point) and there is no way on earth that Koch would have wanted to act like Nanny Bloomberg. Bloomberg's nitpicking control is completely alien to all the things that Koch embodied, and loved about New York. Can you imagine Bloomberg using a slogan like "New York, NY --it may drive you crazy, but you'll never be bored?"

Posted by: Burke at February 01, 2013 02:08 PM (CrqI6)

118 Last week, there really were a lot of controversial subjects covered by the media, and I had an opinion on all of them. I thought for the first time since I started writing my commentary, after leaving the New York City mayoralty, now 22 years out of office, I would this week provide brief comments on these issues. Today I offer my take on the highly publicized soda ban.Mayor Michael Bloomberg announced he will seek to impose a restriction on theaters, restaurants, and street vendors barring the sale of sugary drinks over 16 ounces. The purpose is to address rising obesity in the U.S., particularly of children. Currently, nearly one in three children in America are overweight or obese.I support his efforts. Today nothing has worked to bring down rising obesity. Why attack as some have the mayor for taking a substantive action — which may or may not work? He tried to get the legislature to raise taxes on sugary drinks. They refused. His efforts, both educational and through the use of regulation and law, have reduced the number of cigarette smokers. Many in positions of authority talk a good game; Mayor Bloomberg does more than talk. He implements.-Ed Koch, June 5, 2012
Do you want me to get his quote on banning guns?

Posted by: Upstate New Yorker at February 01, 2013 02:38 PM (Ph479)

119 BTW, I was in New York in the early eighties, and I can only write what I experienced. Manhattan may have been "flourishing" in the early eighties, but my memory of the rest of NYC was that it was a crime ridden cesspool. I went to see the Grateful Dead at Radio City Musice Hall ~1981-2, and the surrounding area was filled with drug dealers and hookers. And it didn't get much better once inside. But then again, it was the Grateful Dead. The streets were full of garbage, and it smelled like an outhouse.

Posted by: Upstate New Yorker at February 01, 2013 02:55 PM (Ph479)

120 Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 01, 2013 12:05 PM (zF6Iw)

During that strike he walked the Brooklyn Bridge with commuters saying "we're going to win, we must not shut this city down!"

He was a character. Everyone loved him and his enemies respected him. He took the city from a huge deficit to having a nice cushion all the while saying "How am I doin?". And when you answered him with more than a great he listened, he always listened and he cared, he always cared.

Posted by: What? What? at February 01, 2013 04:10 PM (/b8+5)

121 I figured you'd have an inside scoop, SIM ;-)
I know that Koch used to say it's no one's damn business what I am: straight, gay or bisexual. So many came to think of him as asexual. It's interesting to know because he was very good to the gay community.
As the day wears on, it hits me more that he died. Just so many memories of the city back then. Very sad.

Posted by: Sassy at February 01, 2013 05:57 PM (GrVRu)






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