DHS Report: Mass Shooters Prefer Handguns, Not Likely To Be Veterans

It's almost like the hysteria over "assault rifles" is pure political theater.

This is what a mass killer looks like, according to a Department of Homeland Security analysis. He works alone. He uses a semi-automatic handgun. He’s a he. And he probably didn’t serve in the U.S. military.

That’s the conclusion of a November 28 analysis by the New Jersey branch of the Department of Homeland Security’s partnership with state and local law enforcement. The so-called intelligence “Fusion Center” sifted through data on 29 major mass killings in the U.S. since 1999, starting with the Littleton, Colorado school shooting. Its practical advice is to be more concerned by your co-worker with the bad hygiene who mutters about putting his “things in order” than by the war veteran in the next cubicle.

Data? That stuff's not important when you're simply using a tragedy to advance your long-stated policy goals.

The report (pdf) is worth a read to show just how little difference any of the proposals from the left would do to actually address the topic. This fact in particular just leaped off the page at me ("literally" as gun-grabbing Joe Biden might say):

Typically, the immediate deployment of law enforcement
is required to stop the shooting and mitigate further harm to victims. Typically, active shooter situations are over within 10 to 15 minutes.

Let me rephrase that for you: "Typically, victims are sitting ducks for the 10-15 minutes it takes law enforcement to arrive."

This is what happens when the government mis-focuses its crime prevention efforts on preventing law-abiding citizens from using firearms to defend themselves. When the left says, "the police are there to protect you", what it really means is, "you're expendable".

(h/t to the inimitable S. Weasel for the PhotoShop)

Posted by: Andy at 10:45 AM



Comments

1 Fancy that.

Posted by: Y-not at January 31, 2013 10:47 AM (5H6zj)

2 What does it matter?

If we can save just one child......

Posted by: Gun Grabber's of America at January 31, 2013 10:47 AM (GsoHv)

3 And he probably didn’t serve in the U.S. military.
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Unless he's a muzzy.

Posted by: sTevo at January 31, 2013 10:48 AM (mhpvm)

4 "This is what a mass killer looks like, according to a Department of
Homeland Security analysis. He works alone. He uses a semi-automatic
handgun. He’s a he. And he probably didn’t serve in the U.S. military."

He probably also is the proud possessor of his own virginity complete with pimples, a concave chest, and a 2 centimeter dick.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 31, 2013 10:48 AM (kXoT0)

5 you're expendable

Is there some question about this?

Posted by: baramandias, king of kings at January 31, 2013 10:48 AM (evdj2)

6 Well, then...I'll be needing those handguns, too.

Posted by: Diane Feinstein's Salt and Pepper Muffin at January 31, 2013 10:49 AM (bRW9U)

7 Well fancy that. The lone nutter is more a threat. And like it has always been, it is up to the individual to save themselves.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 31, 2013 10:50 AM (S7Hzw)

8 He probably also is the proud possessor of his own virginity complete with pimples, a concave chest, and a 2 centimeter dick.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 31, 2013 10:48 AM (kXoT0)

Not to mention a full blown case of paranoid schizophrenia

Posted by: Jollyroger at January 31, 2013 10:50 AM (t06LC)

9 Well, good thing DHS has that nifty training video that suggests you grab some scissors and hide until the police get there.

Posted by: jj at January 31, 2013 10:50 AM (gWO5X)

10 *holds up scissors*

I'm good.

Posted by: EC at January 31, 2013 10:50 AM (GQ8sn)

11 Ben, give them a break , most of those making the decisions do not know the difference between one type or another.

of law, of old men's writings, of countries, or of guns.

Posted by: ette at January 31, 2013 10:50 AM (nqBYe)

12 Universal Background Checks will be easy, as soon as the criminals start complying. What are they waiting for, an invitation?

Posted by: Leftist Do-Gooders at January 31, 2013 10:51 AM (71LDo)

13 This is what happens when the government mis-focuses its crime prevention efforts on preventing law-abiding citizens from using firearms to defend themselves. When the left says, "the police are there to protect you", what it really means is, "you're expendable".


Yup. I think it's far past time to turn the rhetoric of the Left back on them. For every time that one of the Sandy Hook children is hauled out as how dare you want a gun to kill them, the Right should respond with pointing out that if there had been any adult with a gun there, the odds would have been very good that said child would be alive. I freely admit that it is not guaranteed that anyone would have been able to stop that Evil Fuck but at least there would have been a chance.




Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 31, 2013 10:51 AM (VtjlW)

14 Lets not kid ourselves. They want the handguns too. They just know thats a bridge way too far. For now.

Posted by: Jollyroger at January 31, 2013 10:51 AM (t06LC)

15 "Hey crazy gunman!!! Stay still so I cause my assault scissors on you!!!"

Yeah as if that will ever happen.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 31, 2013 10:51 AM (S7Hzw)

16 Once they outlaw guns - only outlaws will have guns.
That's when I become an outlaw.
You see how that works?

Posted by: redguy at January 31, 2013 10:51 AM (oKH8p)

17 14 Lets not kid ourselves. They want the handguns too. They just know thats a bridge way too far. For now.

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Which Piers Cocksucker Morgan admitted when pressed by Gingrich.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 31, 2013 10:52 AM (e0xKF)

18 I wonder how many people could be clubbed, pummeled or stabbed to death in 10-15 minutes?

Where's that data?

Actually, can we have a press conference with clubs, rocks and fists of "steel" (AKA Assault Fists)?

Posted by: Marcus at January 31, 2013 10:52 AM (GGCsk)

19 "Typically, victims are sitting ducks for the 10-15 minutes it takes law enforcement to arrive."

Thank God I have my 12-ga. scissors hanging off my belt at all times.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 31, 2013 10:53 AM (eHIJJ)

20 I've said it before and I'll say it again: You are, and always will be, your own first responder. How YOU react to a crisis and what YOU have on hand to deal with things makes the difference in your live, not what the cops/FEMA/paramedics will do to you once the crisis is past.

Posted by: ExurbanKevin at January 31, 2013 10:54 AM (5wJ0u)

21 Oh yeah????? What about Charles Whitman!!!1!!

Posted by: Some Nitwit Liberal Who Thinks Any Exception Disproves The Rule at January 31, 2013 10:54 AM (uaEZS)

22 Since "political party" wasn't mentioned, I will assume that means "Democrat".

Posted by: MrCaniac at January 31, 2013 10:54 AM (Zd/NW)

23 I see the Wired article was written by Spencer "Plate Glass Window" Ackerman.

Still a douche.

Posted by: EC at January 31, 2013 10:54 AM (GQ8sn)

24 They forgot to add "he" most likely votes for the Democratic Party and is politically liberal.

Empirical evidence of the last few mass shootings yields that data.

Posted by: Marcus at January 31, 2013 10:54 AM (GGCsk)

25 Wow. You learn something new every day.

Next thing you know, they'll tell us that the shooters are typically violent game/movie junkies, are not members of NRA, and often "were quiet, weird loners..."

Who knew?

Posted by: RobM1981 at January 31, 2013 10:54 AM (4WC+3)

26 He works alone. He uses a semi-automatic handgun. He’s a he. And he probably didn’t serve in the U.S. military.

And, in the vast majority of cases, he should have been confined to a mental institution (and would have been if this was 50 years ago) rather than be let loose to roam around and act out his psychosis in public.

Posted by: Nighthawk at January 31, 2013 10:54 AM (RSqz2)

27 Not for nothing, but who is the active threat to security who released the original report? "U/FOUO" is still something that is supposed to not be released.

'Mjusane

Posted by: Him what understands 'Need-to-Know' at January 31, 2013 10:54 AM (r5hbx)

28 Ten to fifteen minutes, eh? You could cook up some grits.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 31, 2013 10:56 AM (XUKZU)

29 report says:

Holmes was
arrested in a parking lot behind the theater near his car without further incident.
He was wearing black body armor, much like the SWAT team of police that
responded. However, police officers noticed that his gear differed from theirs and
detained him.

I don't think he actually wore any body armor.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at January 31, 2013 10:56 AM (FsUAO)

30 And he probably didn’t serve in the U.S. military.

So is DHS taking "returning veterans" off the "groups likely to commit domestic terrorism" list?

/rhetorical

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 31, 2013 10:56 AM (ZKzrr)

31 28 Ten to fifteen minutes, eh? You could cook up some grits.

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Are the laws of physics different in YOUR kitchen?

Posted by: Vincent LaGuardia Gambini, Esq. at January 31, 2013 10:56 AM (e0xKF)

32
They want all guns. They always have.

They are liars and tricksters.


And they have not one real good argument on their side.


WE MUST FUCKING DESTROY THEM ONCE AND FOR ALL.


This is the issue on which we do it. This is an issue in which traditional Dems and even flaming liberals we can strike common cause.


I believe this has been a very very bad miscalculation by these fucking idiot leftists. They have awoken the beast.

Posted by: prescient11 at January 31, 2013 10:57 AM (z3LNO)

33 WASHINGTON — Is your workplace getting shot up by a crazed gunman?

No problem — just grab a pair of scissors and fight back!

That’s some of the helpful advice in a new instructional video from the Department of Homeland Security that was posted on the agency’s Web site just a month after the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut.

Posted by: banana totting criminal at January 31, 2013 10:57 AM (e8kgV)

34 I don't think he actually wore any body armor.
Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at January 31, 2013 10:56 AM (FsUAO)

No he wasn't and neither was that punk in CT--just black hunting clothing

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 31, 2013 10:57 AM (9Bj8R)

35 *holds up scissors*

I'm good.


Posted by: EC at January 31, 2013 10:50 AM (GQ8sn)

Yeah, scissors are OK so long as you don't run with them. but how do we know you won't run with them.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 31, 2013 10:57 AM (XUKZU)

36 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 31, 2013 10:57 AM (/eBe8)

37 14 Lets not kid ourselves. They want the handguns too. They just know thats a bridge way too far. For now.

Ask Australia how that worked out for them? If politicians insist on leaving citizens unprotected, what could possibly go wrong? Go to the South Side of Chicago, find the sweetest looking Granny just coming out of her AME Church in her beautiful suit and hat, then search her purse. You won't find brown recluse spiders, you will find a big honking handgun and that is presuming Granny don't blow you away for messin' with her purse. Granny does not have the gun because she wants to lug around a pound of steel and lead, Granny got da damn gun so LaVonderelle and Markwese don't try to snatch her damn purse and possibly wind up with a broken hip.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 31, 2013 10:57 AM (kXoT0)

38 Is your workplace getting shot up by a crazed gunman?

No problem — just grab a pair of scissors and fight back!

Hey worked for me!

Posted by: Linda Bobbit at January 31, 2013 10:57 AM (9Bj8R)

39 Rock .. Paper .. Scissors

Posted by: banana totting criminal at January 31, 2013 10:58 AM (e8kgV)

40 Chuck Hagel Faces tough questions ? Uh HUH....l

Posted by: Clemenza at January 31, 2013 10:58 AM (x59Gv)

41 Ultimately, I don't care what effin' law the Three Branches accept. It's better to be tried by twelve than carried by six.

I will NOT be easy prey. I especially will not be easy prey on my own property. No law will ever trump that.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 31, 2013 10:58 AM (eHIJJ)

42 (h/t to the inimitable S. Weasel for the PhotoShop)

I love the P-Shop.

Is that SanFranNan, or Sec Neopolitan as Punch?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 31, 2013 10:59 AM (/eBe8)

43 Yeah, scissors are OK so long as you don't run with them. but how do we know you won't run with them.

I plan to dual-wield scissors and run around like the wind!

Posted by: EC at January 31, 2013 10:59 AM (GQ8sn)

44 When seconds count, the Police are only Minutes Away.

Add 5 or so minutes if you mention actual shots fired.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 31, 2013 10:59 AM (/eBe8)

45 Just leave that issue to the Government..they have a record.....

Posted by: Clemenza at January 31, 2013 10:59 AM (x59Gv)

46 Yeah.

One time, I worked a shitty phone soliciting job with a guy who was fired from the Post Office for 'behavior issues'. He liked to talk politics and was convinced WTC 9/11 was an inside job by the Bush Admin. Man, I couldn't wait to get outta that shitstorm-to-be

Posted by: Bigby's Jazz Hands at January 31, 2013 11:00 AM (3ZtZW)

47 It's astonishing that we need the DHS to study the data to reach these conclusions.


Posted by: Fritz at January 31, 2013 11:00 AM (WM+rJ)

48 Lesson:

Its OK for every policeman to have access to an AR15 to defend you (when they're 15 minutes away, and are under zero legal obligation to actually do so), but its not OK for you to have the same gun to defend yourself.

Posted by: looking closely at January 31, 2013 11:00 AM (PwGfd)

49 I wonder how many people could be clubbed, pummeled or stabbed to death in 10-15 minutes?

Where's that data?

Actually, can we have a press conference with clubs, rocks and fists of "steel" (AKA Assault Fists)?

Posted by: Marcus at January 31, 2013 10:52 AM (GGCsk)
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You should also include the weapons used to commit the worst mass murder in US history- a gallon of gasoline and a match:

http://murderpedia.org/male.G/g/gonzalez-julio-photos.htm

Posted by: Nighthawk at January 31, 2013 11:00 AM (RSqz2)

50 It's astonishing that we need the DHS to study the data to reach these conclusions. Posted by: Fritz at January 31, 2013 11:00 AM (WM+rJ)

I wonder what the study cost? I could do it with an Excel spreadsheet for free.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 31, 2013 11:01 AM (kXoT0)

51 Part of the problem with this "debate" is the assumption by much of the population that the police are there to protect you. They are not. They are there to figure out who committed the crime and put the bad guys away after the fact. They owe no legal duty to any member of the public to "prevent" a crime. If you try to sue them, claiming they should have acted faster, used their gun for your protection, etc., you will lose based on an immunity that they have. (If they actually commit the harm on you themselves, they may be subject to suit, although it is tricky.) Usually, you will lose rather quickly at the pleadings stage. They may feel morally compelled to help you, but they are under no obligation to do so.
It seems like most people who argue for gun restrictions believe the police are there to protect you. They are not. The real person responsible for your safety is, and always has been, you.

Posted by: David in Dallas at January 31, 2013 11:01 AM (LNYzO)

52 The science is settled!

Liberal OPINIONS are always right!

Posted by: gastorgrab at January 31, 2013 11:02 AM (FX38i)

53 WalrusRex: "Ten to fifteen minutes, eh? You could cook up some grits."

Yeah, magic grits. Do you have a special kitchen or something?

Posted by: Vincent Gambini at January 31, 2013 11:02 AM (eHIJJ)

54 Man I wish he spent more time at the greens and less time in office...

Posted by: Clemenza at January 31, 2013 11:02 AM (x59Gv)

55 Ian Stawicki's father makes some sense. Mental health ya know.
http://tinyurl.com/adu4hr6

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 31, 2013 11:03 AM (S7Hzw)

56 Do you mean to tell me that DHS got it all wrong when they warned us about those ex-military right wing nut job terrorists in our midst?

Knock me over with a pair of scissors.

Or an assault feather.

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 31, 2013 11:03 AM (ccXZP)

57 I believe this has been a very very bad miscalculation by these fucking idiot leftists. They have awoken the beast.
Posted by: prescient11 at January 31, 2013 10:57 AM (z3LNO)


Everybody keeps saying that.

Over and over and yet, nothing.


Sheep.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at January 31, 2013 11:04 AM (cxssO)

58 You're wasting your breath. They can't even connect our obvious dots.

Posted by: Chicago's, Detroit's and Philly's Gun Murder Rates at January 31, 2013 11:04 AM (r2PLg)

59 Offhand, Unruh and Whitman are the only veterans I can recall among the mass-murder-shooter crowd. For years it was claimed that Charles Whitman, the Texas Tower sniper, was motivated to shoot people because of insanity caused by a brain tumor found during his autopsy. Neurologists have since disproven that theory. Whitman, like Unruh, like the Columbine killers and most of the others, did what he did because he liked it, because he was an evil, murderousrat bastard.

In 'Othello', Shakespeare created Iago, a character who is seemingly motivated solely by the sheer joy he experiences causing death and harm to others. In other words, he's just plain evil. A bad man doing the devil's work.

Society doesn't make such men. Most of them are not suffering from mental illness. They make themselves.

Posted by: troyriser at January 31, 2013 11:04 AM (vtiE6)

60 Do you mean to tell me that DHS got it all wrong when they warned us about those ex-military right wing nut job terrorists in our midst?

Knock me over with a pair of scissors.

Or an assault feather.
Posted by: GnuBreed at January 31, 2013 11:03 AM (ccXZP)

The DHS, like that West Point Study club put out position papers on every conceivable subject from every conceivable viewpoint and most of them are bullshit and are not worth the paper they are written on

Posted by: Linda Bobbit at January 31, 2013 11:05 AM (9Bj8R)

61 I wonder how many people could be clubbed, pummeled or stabbed to death in 10-15 minutes?

Or burned to death. I'm thinking of the Brazlian dance club fire that just killed more than 200 people.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 31, 2013 11:05 AM (4df7R)

62 >>>>Do you mean to tell me that DHS got it all wrong when they warned us about those ex-military right wing nut job terrorists in our midst?

No no not at all. They uphold the Constitution and think Oaths matter.

Posted by: Bigby's Jazz Hands at January 31, 2013 11:06 AM (3ZtZW)

63 Sheep.
Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Waiting for the Sun at January 31, 2013 11:04 AM (cxssO)

You go, hero. Show us how it's done, Billy Badass.

Posted by: troyriser at January 31, 2013 11:06 AM (vtiE6)

64 oops sock off

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 31, 2013 11:06 AM (9Bj8R)

65 If the police were there to protect you, they would all pretty much be walking beats in small groups of neighborhood blocks and shopping areas.

You know, be right there to deter and prevent.

So, yeah, most of what they do is after action.



Posted by: naturalfake at January 31, 2013 11:06 AM (UgFxe)

66
98ZJ:

Ahem. Please see 1994.

We shall see what 2014 holds....

Posted by: prescient11 at January 31, 2013 11:07 AM (z3LNO)

67 The report (pdf) is worth a read to show just how little difference any of the proposals from the left would do to actually address the topic.

At this point, what does it matter???!!eleventy!!

Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2013 11:07 AM (GFM2b)

68 "Majority of Americans favor additional gun control measures: poll"

Posted by: The Media (D-Media) at January 31, 2013 11:07 AM (r2PLg)

69 Instead of saying, "other than Nidal Hasan, mass shooters have had no connection to the military" they say, "And he probably didn’t serve in the U.S. military" to try and fool the reader into thinking there were several crazed soldier killers over the years instead of one who was crazy for Allah.

Posted by: dag at January 31, 2013 11:08 AM (MFuKa)

70 Ten to fifteen minutes, eh? You could cook up some grits.

In ten to fifteen minutes, you could do an underage Dominican hooker.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2013 11:08 AM (GFM2b)

71 I have a suspicion that Kerry will be going to the UN to try to get a treaty that removes fire arms from US citizens. I don't know why that bothers me, but it does.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 11:09 AM (l86i3)

72 A-a-a-and speaking of semi-auto pistols-

What's a good one for the wife that has an easy racking slide?

We're starting to look for her and want to narrow down the choices.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 31, 2013 11:09 AM (UgFxe)

73 Your right to arm yourself doesn't supersede my right to feel safe.

%-)

Posted by: RWC at January 31, 2013 11:10 AM (fWAjv)

74 I don't know why that bothers me, but it does.

It bothers me because I don't want to see blood literally running in the streets, and that is what will happen if they try to confiscate our guns.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 31, 2013 11:10 AM (/eBe8)

75 We're starting to look for her and want to narrow down the choices.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 31, 2013 11:09 AM (UgFxe)


P-22 with hollow point stingers. Teach her to double and triple tap.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 11:10 AM (l86i3)

76 What's a good one for the wife that has an easy racking slide?


My wife didn't have any trouble with my XD9- though it was a little big for her hands.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 31, 2013 11:11 AM (/eBe8)

77 Or burned to death. I'm thinking of the Brazlian dance club fire that just killed more than 200 people.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 31, 2013 11:05 AM (4df7R)
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See #49.

I'm waiting for DiFi to offer legislation requiring background checks for gasoline purchases and an all-out ban on matches.

Posted by: Nighthawk at January 31, 2013 11:11 AM (RSqz2)

78 I posted this yesterday on the ONT.

Several days ago we had a discussion about buying guns in an LLC.

I thought that was impossible, because of pistol permits etc.

Talked Larry Hyatt, Hyatt gun largest gun shop in USA, two days ago and he said he had never done it, but he would as long as I the managing partner had a permit and passed the background check.

Put your guns in a LLC. You can sell or give the stock to anyone and there will be no transfer fees, background checks etc.


Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 31, 2013 11:11 AM (wR+pz)

79 When seconds count, the Police are only Minutes Away.

Add 5 or so minutes if you mention actual shots fired.

Call Domino's & 911 & see who gets there first.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2013 11:11 AM (GFM2b)

80 a guy who was fired from the Post Office for 'behavior issues'.

Umm, yeah. I am going to say that's a red flag.

Who hires someone let go from the freaking Post Office for 'behavior issues?'

Posted by: Golan Globus at January 31, 2013 11:11 AM (pZDxu)

81 It bothers me because I don't want to see blood literally running in the streets, and that is what will happen if they try to confiscate our guns.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 31, 2013 11:10 AM (/eBe

I wasn't talking about the result. I was referring to the method. It seemed so out there and now I see it creeping forward.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 11:11 AM (l86i3)

82
"A-a-a-and speaking of semi-auto pistols- "

Sig-Sauer P238. Wife just traded her Ruger LCP for the Sig and loves it.

Posted by: jj at January 31, 2013 11:11 AM (gWO5X)

83 Andthe shooters in the lastest shooting storieshave been senior citizens. Crazy senior citizens.

Posted by: polynikes at January 31, 2013 11:12 AM (m2CN7)

84 26
He works alone. He uses a semi-automatic handgun. He’s a he. And he probably didn’t serve in the U.S. military.


Well, I am just glad they didn't say posts at AOSHQ or is an ewok.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 31, 2013 11:12 AM (wR+pz)

85 re: 'Since "political party" wasn't mentioned, I will assume that means "Democrat".'

Is cute.

But it is safe to assume that the reason there's no mention of race is because white dudes are slightly underrepresented among mass shooters (if you control for "dudes").
They're also underrepresented among serial killers. But everybody knows, so.

The actual "report," by the way, is shit. It's a list of links to news articles (very unreliable sources), and the "indicators" summary is self-sourced and looks like Law & Order script tips. It's a list of outward symptoms of suicidality with the girl stuff scrubbed out and DHS's profile of a "far right" guy kludged into the gap.

Poop.

Posted by: oblig. at January 31, 2013 11:13 AM (cePv8)

86 I wasn't talking about the result. I was referring to the method. It seemed so out there and now I see it creeping forward.

Oh. The method bothers me because it shows how much Democrats hate our National Sovereignty. They want us "just one among many," as they've said over and over.

They want the UN to be a World Government, not just a council of world governments.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 31, 2013 11:13 AM (/eBe8)

87 Ahhh... but you do not understand... Facts be damned...

Somthing MUST BE DONE!

And since we are in the business of writing Laws? We'll write a LAW? Because that what we do!

Posted by: Congress at January 31, 2013 11:13 AM (lZBBB)

88 Some of the first Brit gun control laws were enacted over govt fears that returning Boer War vets would cause problems.

Fear of vets has been a common gun grabber theme for a very long time in many countries.

Posted by: Burglars & Thieves local 392 at January 31, 2013 11:13 AM (GlnE7)

89 This issue will be solved by speechifying, grandstanding, and parading of victims.

Actually, it won't be solved. Because the mind
is a terrible thing, and some people got some
really terrible, fucked up minds. Legislate that.

Posted by: Regular Moron at January 31, 2013 11:13 AM (feFL6)

90 Call Domino's & 911 & see who gets there first.

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I'm sure the Domino's guy is more used to being shot at than the cop, depending on the area involved.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 31, 2013 11:13 AM (e0xKF)

91 9
Well, good thing DHS has that nifty training video that suggests you grab some scissors and hide until the police get there.

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I'm pretty certain that the reason for the scissors advice is to slow down the victims for the convenience of the gunman.

After all, you're not supposed to run with scissors. If you've armed yourself with scissors, you can only escape at a modest mosey.

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at January 31, 2013 11:13 AM (1c58W)

92 We're starting to look for her and want to narrow down the choices.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 31, 2013 11:09 AM (UgFxe)


I have a nice SIG.380 I'd be willing to sell. Almost new in the box, less than 100 rounds through it.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 11:13 AM (l86i3)

93 I'm waiting for DiFi to offer legislation requiring background checks for gasoline purchases and an all-out ban on matches.
Posted by: Nighthawk at January 31, 2013 11:11 AM (RSqz2)


Given the cost of gasoline today, purchasing the damn stuff is getting harder and harder anyway. Gas here in central NH went from $3.38 on Monday to $3.55 this morning. I shudder to think what tomorrow will bring.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 31, 2013 11:13 AM (4df7R)

94 Oh, and good stream of pressure on Menendez.

But the stuff is getting too imminent, Dems are going to skitter away.

We need journalists to ask Dems whether they stand behind Menendez or not. And his support of gun control and this immigration jazz.

Posted by: Golan Globus at January 31, 2013 11:13 AM (pZDxu)

95 I have nothing to add (as usual) other than to say that P-shop is outfuckingstanding.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 31, 2013 11:14 AM (4c71i)

96
My wife didn't have any trouble with my XD9- though it was a little big for her hands.

Man, you shouldn't leave the door open like that.

Posted by: garrett at January 31, 2013 11:14 AM (M/hdI)

97 Blue helmets are shitty camouflage. Too bad.

Posted by: RWC at January 31, 2013 11:14 AM (fWAjv)

98 [i[
Sig-Sauer P238. Wife just traded her Ruger LCP for the Sig and loves it.

The P238 has a really smooth slide if that's the primary concern. If you're worried about .380 being too low powered, you could try the P938 which is the same gun, but in 9mm.

I haven't personally tried the P938.

Posted by: GMan at January 31, 2013 11:14 AM (sxq57)

99 Do you mean to tell me that DHS got it all wrong when they warned us about those ex-military right wing nut job terrorists in our midst?

No, no. Them, too. That's why we need billions of rounds. We might as well suspect all of you.

Posted by: "Your" DHS at January 31, 2013 11:14 AM (FcR7P)

100 >>>Who hires someone let go from the freaking Post Office for 'behavior issues?'

The Rochester Philharmonic Orchestra's subscription dept, that's who. I dunno, they thought he'd be persuasive, I guess. Awesome in the Interview, maybe.

Posted by: Bigby's Jazz Hands at January 31, 2013 11:14 AM (3ZtZW)

101 Look, I am the widow of an Army Infantry veteran, my Dad was a Marine, other family were Army, Navy, and Marines, aand my guy now is a vetran of Marines. There is no bigger fan of the military. No, they are not all perfect, misfits abound, Bradley Manning of Wikileaks fame springs to mind. However, the media, via Rambo and other over the top fiction has attempted to paint returning veterans as ticking time bombs just waiting for the opportunity to slaughter the populace. The Left never lets a tragedy go to waste--Gabby Giffords, Jim Brady, Sandy Hook--it is all fodder for the mill to slowly grind out their version of an America controlled by elites instead of a free people. They always plan to be the elites in charge. I have to hand it to them, it is working like a charm so far.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 31, 2013 11:15 AM (kXoT0)

102 Aaaand crap with the typos...lol

Posted by: GMan at January 31, 2013 11:15 AM (sxq57)

103 Man, you shouldn't leave the door open like that.

I appreciate your restraint.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 31, 2013 11:15 AM (/eBe8)

104 NEW ORLEANS – The chorus from Sandy Hook Elementary School will sing "America the Beautiful" before Sunday's Super Bowl between the San Francisco 49ers and the Baltimore Ravens.
The chorus features 26 children from Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Conn., where 20 first-graders and six adults were killed in a Dec. 14 shooting rampage.
The performance will be part of CBS's pre-game show, and will be broadcast live. Alicia Keys will sing the national anthem.


I don't know, maybe it's just me, but this rubs me the wrong way and is inappropriate

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 31, 2013 11:15 AM (9Bj8R)

105 a guy who was fired from the Post Office for 'behavior issues'



He was polite and courteous to the customers?

Posted by: EC at January 31, 2013 11:15 AM (GQ8sn)

106 9 Well, good thing DHS has that nifty training video that suggests you grab some scissors and hide until the police get there.
Posted by: jj at January 31, 2013 10:50 AM (gWO5X)


So it's OK to bring scissors to a gunfight?

Posted by: rickl at January 31, 2013 11:15 AM (zoehZ)

107 Hahaha...that always makes me bark with surprise, when I'm just toodling around the internet and one of my own p'shop pops up. I sound like a freaking seal over here.

Posted by: S. Weasel at January 31, 2013 11:15 AM (CrEGa)

108 This is what happens when the government mis-focuses its crime prevention efforts on preventing law-abiding citizens from using firearms to defend themselves.

You are being far to dishonest in your attempt to be fair. This is, always has been, and always will be, about control. The left, the STATE doesn't care about crime prevention. Hell as long as you are unarmed the more crime the better. It keeps you RELIANT on the state. This is nothing more then tyrany in slow motion, under the guise of fairness and safety.

Posted by: Dave in MA at January 31, 2013 11:15 AM (zsPnE)

109 And the DHS Active Shooter guide is junk also. Since that has come out the basic premise is to run away or barricade. Just cower there and hope the shooter misses you. Lambs to the slaughter.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 31, 2013 11:16 AM (S7Hzw)

110 They want the UN to be a World Government, not just a council of world governments.

I thought a treaty didn't or couldn't override American law.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 31, 2013 11:16 AM (+z4pE)

111 I don't know, maybe it's just me, but this rubs me the wrong way and is inappropriate

It's not just you.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 31, 2013 11:16 AM (/eBe8)

112 Dems go by the "less than 2 dead bodies rule". Less than two dead bodies in a scandal and you're golden

Posted by: Burglars & Thieves local 392 at January 31, 2013 11:16 AM (GlnE7)

113 I bought mama a Keltec PF9 for Valentines Day last year.

The slide is a bit stiff but she got the hang of it real quick.

Posted by: Golan Globus at January 31, 2013 11:16 AM (pZDxu)

114 Blue helmets are shitty camouflage.


But damn fine targets.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2013 11:16 AM (GFM2b)

115 Search teams on Thursday recovered the body of a US F-16 fighter jet pilot whose plane crashed in the Adriatic Sea three days ago, a statement from his family said.

"It is with great sadness that we announce that the body of Captain Lucas Gruenther was found in the Adriatic Sea this afternoon," said the statement, which was released by the US Air Force. Gruenther's jet went missing after it took off from Aviano Air Base on a training exercise on Monday evening. (Reuters)

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 31, 2013 11:17 AM (9Bj8R)

116 Nevergiveup, pimping out children. What progressive socialists do best. Ask Sen. Menendez.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 31, 2013 11:17 AM (S7Hzw)

117 I thought a treaty didn't or couldn't override American law.

It can't, until SCOTUS says it can because "it's a tax."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 31, 2013 11:17 AM (/eBe8)

118
>>>I appreciate your restraint.

No problemo. If you ever get the Blog up and running, a post on restraint dedicated to me will do fine.

Posted by: garrett at January 31, 2013 11:17 AM (M/hdI)

119 Ten to fifteen minutes, eh? You could cook up some grits.


Why make an already dangerous and unpleasant situation even worse?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 31, 2013 11:17 AM (SY2Kh)

120 However, the media, via Rambo and other over the top fiction has attempted to paint returning veterans as ticking time bombs just waiting for the opportunity to slaughter the populace.

I don't think it's the populace they care about. When these kids start coming home and figuring out how the pols used them, killed their friend and through them to the wolves with shitty ROE and no intention of completing the mission as a whole. They will be pissed. It's the pols that are afraid of the returning service men and women, not us.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 11:18 AM (l86i3)

121 However, the media, via Rambo and other over the top fiction has attempted to paint returning veterans as ticking time bombs just waiting for the opportunity to slaughter the populace.

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And it's been ongoing for years.

I had never heard the story until recently, but my dad told me about returning from Vietnam and being talked to by a little girl up the street about what he did there.

It seemed innocuous enough at first but, when she finished, she mentioned that she was trying to figure out if "she lived up the street from a murderer."

Needless to say, my dad did little to advertise his service to his country for decades after that and that's why he was so gung-ho about the Swift Boat Vets sticking it to Kerry in 2004.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 31, 2013 11:18 AM (e0xKF)

122 Sweasel with teh Pshop.

Excellent.


For a girl.

Posted by: eleven at January 31, 2013 11:18 AM (KXm42)

123 This finding means that our Evil Black Rifle bans are working! Now it's time to criminalize Evil Handguns...

Posted by: DiFi at January 31, 2013 11:19 AM (FcR7P)

124 @104

Talk about over the line. This pandering is disgusting. Wait for the announcers to mention we need gun control during the game.

The MSM is in full attack mode.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 31, 2013 11:19 AM (wR+pz)

125 They want the UN to be a World Government, not just a council of world governments.



I thought a treaty didn't or couldn't override American law.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 31, 2013 11:16 AM



It's all in the penumbras.

Posted by: SCOTUS at January 31, 2013 11:19 AM (bAGA/)

126 Thanks for the suggestions everyone.

OSP, I may take you up on that, we'll go to the range this week and see what she likes.

Keep the suggestions coming if you've got one.

Back later, I've got to work for awhile- who knew?

Posted by: naturalfake at January 31, 2013 11:20 AM (UgFxe)

127 104 NEW ORLEANS – The chorus from Sandy Hook Elementary School will sing "America the Beautiful" before Sunday's Super Bowl between the San Francisco 49ers and the Baltimore Ravens.
The chorus features 26 children from Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Conn., where 20 first-graders and six adults were killed in a Dec. 14 shooting rampage.
The performance will be part of CBS's pre-game show, and will be broadcast live. Alicia Keys will sing the national anthem.


I don't know, maybe it's just me, but this rubs me the wrong way and is inappropriate

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You mean the part where they're invited to perform alongside Alicia Keys, who starred in the ultra-violent Smokin' Aces, or where they're on the same field as Ray Lewis, who was famously charged with obstruction of justice in a murder investigation?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 31, 2013 11:20 AM (e0xKF)

128
I don't know, maybe it's just me, but this rubs me the wrong way and is inappropriate
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 31, 2013 11:15 AM (9Bj8R)

Yep. They are corpse humping babies now, I didn't mind them humping Giffords but WTF.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 11:20 AM (l86i3)

129 This photoshop of "Judy" Feinstein is so good, by the way.

Posted by: t-bird at January 31, 2013 11:20 AM (FcR7P)

130 I thought a treaty didn't or couldn't override American law.

It can't, until SCOTUS says it can because "it's a tax."

Sorry, but foreign governments making US law, like armed foreign soldiers (blue helmets) on US soil, will been seen as an act of war.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2013 11:20 AM (GFM2b)

131 Nevergiveup: "...maybe it's just me, but this rubs me the wrong way and is inappropriate"

Not just you. The MFM is implementing the bums' rush on gun ownership. Why reward the exploitation of the children?

Between the teams, the commercials, the hype (which I've managed to completely avoid so far), and the politics, I'm probably going to skip the Super Bowl. Perhaps the Puppy Bowl will get my undivided attention instead.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 31, 2013 11:20 AM (eHIJJ)

132 Yeah, scissors are OK so long as you don't run with them. but how do we know you won't run with them.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 31, 2013 10:57 AM (XUKZU)


You obviously didn't watch the video carefully enough.
One of the big points was to make sure the decisions you make were the right ones while the shooting was going on.

This is why we need government advice.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at January 31, 2013 11:21 AM (Qxe/p)

133 But damn fine targets.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2013 11:16 AM (GFM2b)

Be a good shot though. Don't want to hit any minors that will be around them.

Posted by: RWC at January 31, 2013 11:21 AM (fWAjv)

134 They are liars and tricksters.

Tricksters? Be careful with the overly aggressive talk.

Posted by: pep at January 31, 2013 11:21 AM (YXmuI)

135 I don't know, maybe it's just me, but this rubs me the wrong way and is inappropriate

Do the performers have to go through the metal detector and get the pat down to get into the stadium, or just the ticketholders?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 31, 2013 11:21 AM (ZKzrr)

136 After all, you're not supposed to run with scissors. If you've armed yourself with scissors, you can only escape at a modest mosey.

Does that mean that I'm safe in a sewing shop? Those pinking shears look really scary.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 31, 2013 11:21 AM (+z4pE)

137 I don't think it's the populace they care about.
When these kids start coming home and figuring out how the pols used
them, killed their friend and through them to the wolves with shitty ROE
and no intention of completing the mission as a whole. They will be
pissed. It's the pols that are afraid of the returning service men and
women, not us. Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon.

There has never been a class of veterans more mistreated than Viet Nam vets and they did not riot across the landscape killing and burning things to assuage their angst. That was the peaceniks--see Ayers and Dorn, et al. Those vets took this country's maltreatment and what happened to the killing and burning peaceniks--they wound up as Professors and in other elite positions.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 31, 2013 11:21 AM (kXoT0)

138 Sorry, but foreign governments making US law, like armed foreign soldiers (blue helmets) on US soil, will been seen as an act of war.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2013 11:20 AM (GFM2b)

Obamacare was an act of War.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 11:21 AM (l86i3)

139 Hagel isn't getting too much love in the hearings today.

Posted by: jwest at January 31, 2013 11:23 AM (ZDsRL)

140 But damn fine targets.

Remember to displace.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 31, 2013 11:23 AM (evdj2)

141 the police are there to protect you

That's really the problem: I'm here. They're there.

Posted by: t-bird at January 31, 2013 11:23 AM (FcR7P)

142 OSP. Not all vets. Look up Rep. Tammy Duckworth. And another veteran and Democrat Lani Hays who runs a company that exists solely on government contracts.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 31, 2013 11:23 AM (S7Hzw)

143 You mean the part where they're invited to perform alongside Alicia
Keys, who starred in the ultra-violent Smokin' Aces, or where they're on
the same field as Ray Lewis, who was famously charged with obstruction
of justice in a murder investigation?


Heh.

Let's see. Their friends and prinicpal got killed, so they got to meet the president, go on TV, and now get a free trip to the Super Bowl.

Kinda feels like they're grooming psychopaths. Munchausen Syndrome, at least.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 31, 2013 11:24 AM (ZKzrr)

144 Hagel isn't getting too much love in the hearings today.
Posted by: jwest at January 31, 2013 11:23 AM (ZDsRL)


That's cause he's screwed over the GOP and the Marxist. Those folks got long memories.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 11:24 AM (l86i3)

145 So, Dudge is headlining that the JEF is shutting down his "Jobs Council."

I guess all that laser-like focus he had on jobs completely burn it out.

And of course he is, it served it's purpose: It wasn't about jobs, it was about political theater.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 31, 2013 11:24 AM (imtbm)

146 So it's OK to bring scissors to a gunfight?


Posted by: rickl at January 31, 2013 11:15 AM (zoehZ)


Yeah.... thats it.... uh.... Stitch in Time... beats a 9.... mm that is..... yeah....

Thats the ticket.... and uh.... I've got rich friends too.... and South American whores... whom I've slept with....

Posted by: DHS Lobbyist Ad Writer at January 31, 2013 11:24 AM (lZBBB)

147 Do the performers have to go through the metal detector and get the pat down to get into the stadium, or just the ticketholders?

They should make the athletes go thru one.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2013 11:24 AM (GFM2b)

148 Hagel isn't getting too much love in the hearings today. Posted by: jwest at January 31, 2013 11:23 AM (ZDsRL)

He will still be confirmed. After all, gentlemen know that the President is allowed to select his Cabinet....confirmation hearings are a mere bagatelle.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 31, 2013 11:24 AM (kXoT0)

149 Those pinking shears look really scary.

***

I'm pretty sure that use of pinking shears would be a war crime. They really should be called assault pinks.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 31, 2013 11:24 AM (XUKZU)

150 I like the youngest, newest guns



Posted by: Bob M. in New ersey at January 31, 2013 11:25 AM (Dll6b)

151 What's a good one for the wife that has an easy racking slide? When I took my girlfriend to pick out her first handgun, she chose a Baretta Bobcat. I personally don't like the anemic .25 ACP caliber she likes so much, but one of the big advantages to that model is that it has a popup barrel feature that allowsthe shooter to put the pistol into battery without racking the slide. The dealer, a friend of mine, told me that it was designed specifically for those, such as the elderly and small-framed people, who have difficulty with slides. Again, aside from the weakness its pocket pistol caliber, her Baretta is a sweet, accurate little piece. She's frigging Annie Oakley with that gun.

Posted by: troyriser at January 31, 2013 11:25 AM (vtiE6)

152
Heh.

Let's see. Their friends and prinicpal got killed, so they got to meet the president, go on TV, and now get a free trip to the Super Bowl.

Kinda feels like they're grooming psychopaths. Munchausen Syndrome, at least.

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They better be careful.

Look what happened to one of Obama's living props from the inauguration. She didn't make it a month afterward.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 31, 2013 11:25 AM (e0xKF)

153 OT: HA has a link to a story on Rand Paul, who now says we need to "evolve" on immigration, in a way largely parallel to the Rubio effort. Still think new and untested is a good idea for president?

Posted by: pep at January 31, 2013 11:26 AM (YXmuI)

154
And of course he is, it served it's purpose: It wasn't about jobs, it was about political theater.

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Did someone say theater?!?

Posted by: JW Booth at January 31, 2013 11:26 AM (e0xKF)

155 It's almost like the hysteria over "assault rifles" is pure political theater.


Almost??? It always has been pure political kabuki. They know none of this has any chance of passing, and any Dem in a real district knows it is poison.


That is why the only people talking about it are in CA and NY. A place where a Republican is either a D with and R after his name or non-existent.

Posted by: Vic at January 31, 2013 11:26 AM (53z96)

156 Does that mean that I'm safe in a sewing shop? Those pinking shears look really scary.

Pinking shears don't cut flesh half as well as a regular serrated shears. Usually have a rounded point, besides.

Now the rotary cutter...people have done severe damage with that. To the point they sell Kevlar gloves to lessen the odds of cutting into your opposite-hand thumb and doing permanent damage to tissues and nerves.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 31, 2013 11:26 AM (ZKzrr)

157 Sorry, but foreign governments making US law, like armed foreign
soldiers (blue helmets) on US soil, will been seen as an act of war.


By whom? The political class? Not bloody likely. By average Americans? Some. There are more than a few who don't understand why we think it's a big deal, though.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 31, 2013 11:26 AM (/eBe8)

158 OSP. Not all vets. Look up Rep. Tammy Duckworth. And another veteran and Democrat Lani Hays who runs a company that exists solely on government contracts.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 31, 2013 11:23 AM (S7Hzw)

Yep, but I was thinking more the average PFC or Corporal. Jobless, depressed, skills that don't always transfer well to the private sector. I think they are mostly great kids. But I also see an undercurrent of disatisfaction.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 11:27 AM (l86i3)

159 Kinda feels like they're grooming psychopaths. Munchausen Syndrome, at least.


Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 31, 2013 11:24 AM (ZKzrr)


Yeah.... but this is a blatant 'tug' at the heart strings for Gun Control.... even brining this INTO the NFL at all....

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 31, 2013 11:27 AM (lZBBB)

160 I'm pretty sure that use of pinking shears would be a war crime. They really should be called assault pinks. Posted by: WalrusRex at January 31, 2013 11:24 AM (XUKZU)

Pinking shears, pah, grab one of the Olfa rotary cutters, those things are wicked...

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 31, 2013 11:28 AM (kXoT0)

161 What's a good one for the wife that has an easy racking slide?


I always recommend revolvers in these situation where someone does not have the strength or motor skills to pull the slide back. Pop open the cylinder, load your rounds, push it back in, and you're set.

Posted by: EC at January 31, 2013 11:28 AM (GQ8sn)

162 I always recommend revolvers in these situation where someone does not have the strength or motor skills to pull the slide back. Pop open the cylinder, load your rounds, push it back in, and you're set.
Posted by: EC at January 31, 2013 11:28 AM (GQ8sn)

That's good advice too.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 11:29 AM (l86i3)

163 "Diminutive Fag Mayor Preens While ChiCongo Burns" ~film at 11!

Posted by: SurferDoc at January 31, 2013 11:29 AM (6H6FZ)

164 >>>I thought a treaty didn't or couldn't override American law.

Read your constitution. Treaties immediately upon Senate ratification supersede US Law.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 31, 2013 11:30 AM (0q2P7)

165 I see Heather beat me on the rotary cutter point. Seriously, you could run one across someone's throat or arm and do irreparable damage. You want to see violence--come for the Quilting Guild's rotary cutters, DiFi, I dare you!

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 31, 2013 11:30 AM (kXoT0)

166 I had thought Obama had said, if they bring scissors , you bring a gun.

Posted by: ette at January 31, 2013 11:30 AM (nqBYe)

167 They want the UN to be a World Government, not just a council of world governments.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 31, 2013 11:13 AM(/eBe

Which sucks more since the majority of those governments are not freedom loving, as the US and western nations getting their ass handed to them on the recent vote on internet freedom. Freedom lost.

Posted by: Invictus at January 31, 2013 11:30 AM (OQpzc)

168
Yep, but I was thinking more the average PFC or Corporal. Jobless,
depressed, skills that don't always transfer well to the private sector.
I think they are mostly great kids. But I also see an undercurrent of
disatisfaction.



I told me stepson who's at bootcamp now to make sure he selects an MOS with a real-world skill. He wants to go to the vehicle school where he'll learn all about maintenance and repair work. After he gets out, he'll be able to take that skill anywhere he goes.

When the Burn comes, people like him will be more valuable than gold.

Posted by: EC at January 31, 2013 11:31 AM (GQ8sn)

169 What I learned from the make believe media:

Lying about some French sport involving bicycles that nobody gives a half a rodent's rear end about is bad. Very, very bad.

Lying about the economy, the deficit, the unemployment, gun violence, or any other proggie program is good in order to create the socialist utopia is good.. Very, very good.

So I guess the issue is whether the lie concerns progs or frogs as to whether it is bad to lie about it.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 31, 2013 11:31 AM (XUKZU)

170
Read your constitution. Treaties immediately *upon Senate ratification* supersede US Law.

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Emphasis added.

Pretty sure that Senate ratification requires a supermajority of 67 votes, which it won't get.

Posted by: JW Booth at January 31, 2013 11:31 AM (e0xKF)

171 *scary whisper*

Run with me....you know you want too....

Posted by: Assault Scissors at January 31, 2013 11:31 AM (EZl54)

172 Heh, Lucky Gunner has a great 3 minute PSA up.

Hey, Cheaper than Dirt, watch and learn.

Posted by: RWC at January 31, 2013 11:31 AM (fWAjv)

173 Tammy Duckworth is another dirty Illinois politician. But she will use her veteran status and loss of legs to be another Max Cleland. So she can rail at her detractors and accuse them of being insensitive. *gag*

Lani Hays is another bi-national. Donates exclusively to Democrats and TFG. Her company only exists because of government contracts. And in the January 2013 issue of Elle she talks of running for President. She trades on her few years in service as a photo intelligence interpreter in Bahrain as military creds while saying Iraq never had chemical weapons.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 31, 2013 11:31 AM (S7Hzw)

174 >>>I always recommend revolvers in these situation where someone does not
have the strength or motor skills to pull the slide back. Pop open the
cylinder, load your rounds, push it back in, and you're set.

Revolvers are much quicker on presentation than semis. For the person that never expects to actually use the weapon they are the better choice.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 31, 2013 11:31 AM (0q2P7)

175 If the Secret Service rearmed with scissors, we could see some precision scissors drills. They would probably be very good.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 31, 2013 11:32 AM (XUKZU)

176 O/T: In case this hasn't been posted yet:


A United States minesweeper ship that crashed into a coral reef due to inaccurate Navy maps will have to be cut into small pieces and removed in order to prevent harming the ocean’s ecosystem, according to the Navy and other reports.

The $277 million USS Guardian, a Naval warship that clears waterways of mines, crashed into a coral reef near the Philippines earlier this month.

The Navy will disassemble it piece by piece in order to avoid damaging the reef rather than tow the multi-million dollar ship off of the reef and perform necessary repairs.


Coral reef trumps $277M naval warship. Good to know. Link to Washington Free Beacon

http://tinyurl.com/a7vgqrm

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at January 31, 2013 11:33 AM (NF2Bf)

177 Heh, Lucky Gunner has a great 3 minute PSA up.



Hey, Cheaper than Dirt, watch and learn.



Funny vid. To be fair, LG doesn't sell firearms so they really can't be compared to what CTD did.

But when you compare the ammo prices for the same item, LG has CTD beat by a mile.

One box of 20 rounds of .223 ammo is $34.50 on CTD.

One box of 20 rounds of .223 ammo is $22 on LG.

Posted by: EC at January 31, 2013 11:34 AM (GQ8sn)

178 How long is it going to take to retrofit TFG's SS detail with scissors? Gotta be up to date.

Posted by: Joe Mama at January 31, 2013 11:34 AM (P4cxa)

179 Dear DHS:

Mrs. Jakeman has hidden my metal assault scissors, so all I can find is a pair of those plastic safety scissors that can't even cut colored construction paper. I am concerned. Please advise.

Sincerely,
jakeman, cowering under his desk

Posted by: jakeman at January 31, 2013 11:34 AM (LsDL3)

180 No, the police are not there to protect me.
They may well be on their way to come and protect me, but they are not there yet.

Posted by: Lessons from the Ceramic Throne at January 31, 2013 11:34 AM (ze9yk)

181 I told me stepson who's at bootcamp now to make sure he selects an MOS with a real-world skill. He wants to go to the vehicle school where he'll learn all about maintenance and repair work. After he gets out, he'll be able to take that skill anywhere he goes.

When the Burn comes, people like him will be more valuable than gold.

Posted by: EC at January 31, 2013 11:31 AM (GQ8sn)


My son elected to go that route (USMC).
He's been in 12 years now, but the full twenty gets to be a more elusive goal with each military cut.

On the upside, he's had several private opportunities --
On the downside, he lives in California.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at January 31, 2013 11:34 AM (Qxe/p)

182 Pryor, Begich, Johnson, Heitkamp, Reid, Leahy(!), King, have all said no thanks to Feinstein's bill. Pryor voted for her bill in 2004 but is now a no. Funny how an election changes that.
The AWB is dead. Thanks for playing, DiFi.

Posted by: CAC at January 31, 2013 11:34 AM (NbDBg)

183 Holmes had on a utility vest - a military style vest with lots of pockets. He did not have on body armor/

Posted by: SarahW at January 31, 2013 11:35 AM (LYwCh)

184 You want to see violence--come for the Quilting Guild's rotary cutters, DiFi, I dare you!

No one needs a rotary blade bigger than 22mm!


The first rule of the quilting society is: You don't talk about the quilting society.

http://is.gd/o1G2os

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 31, 2013 11:35 AM (ZKzrr)

185 Posted to the last, dead thread:

OT, but most recent Rand Paul email:

While they burn our flags and murder our citizens, our President seems to think throwing more taxpayer money to our enemies overseas is the solution to our problems.

In fact, the Pentagon recently handed over 20 fighter jets - $213 million dollars worth - to a Muslim Brotherhood-led government determined to impose Sharia Law on Egypt.

Today, the U.S. Senate will vote on my Amendment to prohibit the sale of fighter jets to Egypt.

Please call your U.S. Senators at (202) 224-3121 IMMEDIATELY and demand they support my Amendment at every opportunity.


And here's his vid about how F-16s are being used in Egypt: http://www.randpacusa.com/f16.aspx?pid=0131a

I finally caved and made a dnation to RandPAC.

He's doing great work.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 11:35 AM (piMMO)

186 My son elected to go that route (USMC).

Mine too! He'll graduate next month.

He's doing the rifle qualification this week.

Posted by: EC at January 31, 2013 11:36 AM (GQ8sn)

187 Good for self defense in NY.

http://is.gd/0129qX


Illegal for self defense in most blue States

http://is.gd/uR2aGP

What the second amendment allows

http://is.gd/zwXDG4


How do we know? Because some of the founders actually owned something similar.

Posted by: Vic at January 31, 2013 11:36 AM (53z96)

188 > Its OK for every policeman to have access to an AR15 to defend you (when
they're 15 minutes away, and are under zero legal obligation to
actually do so), but its not OK for you to have the same gun to defend
yourself.

They're not defending you, they're defending themselves and trying to get the bad guy. If you don't die that's a bonus.

Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at January 31, 2013 11:36 AM (ZWvOb)

189 Read your constitution. Treaties immediately upon Senate ratification supersede US Law.

But they don't supercede the Constitution.
ESPECIALLY the first ten amendments.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2013 11:36 AM (GFM2b)

190 Lurking Canuck go look at pictures of the reef USS Guardian is stuck on. It goes from deep water to 'oh sh*t!!!' real quick. There are holes in the hull now so even if they pulled her off she would immediately sink. The CO, XO, and watch need to be RIF'd and sent to work a McDonald's in Chicago.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 31, 2013 11:36 AM (S7Hzw)

191 Woman beaten and kicked to death by man wearing boots with large assault heels.
http://tinyurl.com/atzaefb

Posted by: real joe at January 31, 2013 11:36 AM (un/bd)

192 It's too bad I lost all my scissors in a tragic boating accident.

Along with all my guns.

Posted by: EC at January 31, 2013 11:37 AM (GQ8sn)

193 @185
see my #153. Any comments?

Posted by: pep at January 31, 2013 11:37 AM (YXmuI)

194 Oh and you can proably toss in Baucus, Manchin, Warner, Landrieu and Donnelly.

Leahy was a shocker.

But yeah. Bill is dead. What to watch for now is for the Ds to play the "well this is TOO extreme, but heres "sensible" proposals instead" card.

Posted by: CAC at January 31, 2013 11:37 AM (NbDBg)

195 I don't know, maybe it's just me, but this rubs me the wrong way and is inappropriate
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 31, 2013 11:15 AM (9Bj8R)


It's glorification of a tragedy. I appreciate what the NFL is trying to do, but there's no reason for it. If, say, the Giants were playing I might not mind, since the Giants are ostensibly the team for that region of Connecticut. But as it stands, this is just turning the tragedy into a paparazzi tour. It's disgusting, IMO. Those children should be allowed to get back to something normal instead of having the reality of what happened thrown in their face every five minutes.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 31, 2013 11:37 AM (4df7R)

196 The police have no resposability to protect you.

The courts have decided that you have no right to expect the police to protect you from crime! Incredible as it may seem, the courts have ruled that the police are not obligated to even respond to your calls for help, even in life threatening situations! To be fair to the police, I think that many, and perhaps most, officers really do want to save lives and stop dangerous situations before people get hurt. But the key point to remember is that the courts have said they are under no legal obligation to do so.

Posted by: RiverRat at January 31, 2013 11:38 AM (vP2aX)

197 I told me stepson who's at bootcamp now to make sure he selects an MOS with a real-world skill. He wants to go to the vehicle school where he'll learn all about maintenance and repair work. After he gets out, he'll be able to take that skill anywhere he goes.When the Burn comes, people like him will be more valuable than gold.
Posted by: EC at January 31, 2013 11:31 AM (GQ8sn)

My son chose Infantry 11B, as I did at his age. No translatable civilian skills, but screw it. If he wants to be a mechanic, he can learn how to be a mechanic when he gets out.

Posted by: troyriser at January 31, 2013 11:38 AM (vtiE6)

198 If the Secret Service rearmed with scissors, we could see some precision scissors drills.

Columbian hooker's undergarments hardest hit.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2013 11:38 AM (GFM2b)

199 when seconds count....

I will be hunting the scissors in the junk drawer down, of course they will be mixed in with twine , wire, and assorted junk so might take more than a few seconds.

Unless i decide to have a special protective place for them as they are considered weapon of choice by the DHS.
will we then be made to register our scissors , knives, heavy lamps or assorted iron ornaments?
n fact i just read where fists were used to beat a man down, and a Speaker was then used to finish the job.

rip man.
now for your old box speakers?

Posted by: ette at January 31, 2013 11:39 AM (nqBYe)

200 Mine too! He'll graduate next month.

He's doing the rifle qualification this week.
Posted by: EC at January 31, 2013 11:36 AM (GQ8sn)


I'll be down at Parris Island this summer for some fun and sun

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 31, 2013 11:40 AM (9Bj8R)

201 Hola amigo rickb223, its Colombia. Not Columbia. Si?
*pet peeve*

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 31, 2013 11:40 AM (S7Hzw)

202 Hmm. 5 pack of Magpul 30rd PMAGs for $185 on gunbroker.

Thinking of picking that up.

Posted by: Golan Globus at January 31, 2013 11:40 AM (pZDxu)

203 Posted by: EC at January 31, 2013 11:36 AM (GQ8sn)


Mine went Navy Electronics Tech... but after 3 years he already knows he's out after his first enlistment...

He made a big mistake... and was competent at his job... so he's busy pulling the load for all the others busy doing Extra Qual's and Off duty Education... which is what you need to get promoted...

Thus... because he is the best at his actual job (says so right in his evalutation)... he won't get promoted...

/facepalm

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 31, 2013 11:40 AM (lZBBB)

204 Read your constitution. Treaties immediately upon Senate ratification supersede US Law.


Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 31, 2013 11:30 AM (0q2P7)

Bullshit. Any treaty must conform to the Constitution. The Court once ruled that with the Migratory Bird treaty but it was quickly reversed shortly after.
The court has ruled many times that all treaties must conform to the Constitution.

Posted by: Vic at January 31, 2013 11:41 AM (53z96)

205 Oh, and I believe I read somewhere that this profiling of criminals to anticipate crimes is bullshit.

Never has worked, never will work--no matter how many times it's shown successful in movies and TV.

And I agree.

I mean, there are millions and millions of variables that go into when, how, and who commits a crime.

To pretend such is possible to predict makes the global warming graphs look perfect.

And never mind the post-action selection bias of the "profiler." They're getting paid to peddle bullshit you can damned well be sure they're going to find facts to support their bullshit.

You know, kinda almost exactly like horoscope writers and palm readers.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 31, 2013 11:41 AM (imtbm)

206 Hola amigo rickb223, its Colombia. Not Columbia. Si?
*pet peeve*

Si. Por favor, es is el stupido.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2013 11:41 AM (GFM2b)

207 There are holes in the hull now so even if they pulled her off she would immediately sink.

Well of course if there are no other options you do what you have to do.

But these days, it would not surprise me in the slightest that Mother Gaia would take precedence, no matter what.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at January 31, 2013 11:42 AM (NF2Bf)

208 Golly, would have never guessed that people who are trained on the ehics of violence, schooled on the Geneva Convention, subjected to a life of discipline, educated on the virtue of precision in application of force, and selfless enough to serve are less likely to engage in casual destruction than hedonistic headcases who get their data on violence from Hollywood, FPS games, and OW$.

There is some really nice landalong the Red River basin and the Sabine.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 31, 2013 11:42 AM (pzZth)

209 So per the DHS, is the typical mass murderer affiliated with any political party?

Posted by: votermom at January 31, 2013 11:42 AM (wOIt+)

210 De nada amigo.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 31, 2013 11:42 AM (S7Hzw)

211 @185
see my #153. Any comments?

***

If there's a parallel between Rand and Rubio, that's the only one.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 11:42 AM (piMMO)

212 Woo hoo.

Just got Django and Zero Dark Thirty without a penny going to Hollyweird.

Posted by: RWC at January 31, 2013 11:42 AM (fWAjv)

213 My son chose Infantry 11B, as I did at his age. No translatable civilian
skills, but screw it. If he wants to be a mechanic, he can learn how to
be a mechanic when he gets out.



A friend of mine was also infantry in the army. Did his time in Iraq, and saw real combat during W's tenure. He got out and started working for Triple Canopy, doing the "private contractor" stuff. OMG, he made money like you wouldn't believe doing the same stuff he used to in the army. Now he's traveling the world or something.

Posted by: EC at January 31, 2013 11:42 AM (GQ8sn)

214 @193 pep,

totally agree. No more cults of personality.

Evolve?

Starting to sound like dad.

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at January 31, 2013 11:42 AM (EZl54)

215 Colombia = country.
Columbia = imitation J School.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2013 11:43 AM (GFM2b)

216 A loaded revolver is always ready to go. That is very good but it makes safety training and familiarization absolutely essential.

Posted by: SurferDoc at January 31, 2013 11:43 AM (6H6FZ)

217 Posted by: RiverRat at January 31, 2013 11:38 AM (vP2aX)

Yeah.... I always find it interesting that the Gun Laws in cities like Chicago or New York, do not affect OFF DUTY Cops....

Creating a citizen who has MORE rights, by virtue of their JOB.....

Police need to forced to follow the same laws as the rest of the citizenry, or we do NOT have Equal Application of the Law...

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 31, 2013 11:43 AM (lZBBB)

218 AND....nobody said there shouldn't be reform. We are saying there shouldn't be amnesty. If the likes of Rubio and McCain are going to shove the shit down our throats, then somebody else is gong to have to step in with a plan of their own.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 11:43 AM (piMMO)

219 > 5 pack of Magpul 30rd PMAGs for $185 on gunbroker.

Glad I picked up a whole pile of 30 round mags for my Commie rifle a while ago. Prices are crazy.

Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at January 31, 2013 11:43 AM (ZWvOb)

220 And 'Flight.'

Posted by: RWC at January 31, 2013 11:44 AM (fWAjv)

221 Daughter (the younger) and I had a talk about all this gun control shit yesterday. She will be deploying in May (again) and her words were (paraphrased): I rather shoot my semi automatic M16 than the damn 9mm. And if those morons think a woman cannot handle what they think is a assault weapon, why are they talking about putting women in combat with the infantry or the marines? What are they using there, slingshots?


I love my daughters!!!!!

Posted by: Ma Bell at January 31, 2013 11:44 AM (uVuwp)

222
OT: anybody watch The Americans last nite? It had a lot of things I didn't like & al ot of things I did. They made nice use of a Talking Heads song.

Posted by: Waldo Truth at January 31, 2013 11:44 AM (jwumz)

223 /facepalm

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 31, 2013 11:40 AM (lZBBB)


Could be worse.
I got out in '72 because I was trained in aircraft radar repair, and spent 3+ years as a plane captain.
Then, when I did get to the AQ shop, it was run by a bean counter who wouldn't buy parts.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at January 31, 2013 11:44 AM (Qxe/p)

224 OT: anybody watch The Americans last nite? It had a lot of things I didn't like & al ot of things I did. They made nice use of a Talking Heads song.

****

I've never seen it.

Worth checking out?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 11:45 AM (piMMO)

225 You know, kinda almost exactly like horoscope writers and palm readers.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 31, 2013 11:41 AM (imtbm)

So Pre-Cogs aren't real???

Posted by: RWC at January 31, 2013 11:46 AM (fWAjv)

226 Thus... because he is the best at his actual job (says so right in his evalutation)... he won't get promoted... /facepalm
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 31, 2013 11:40 AM (lZBBB)

Military creases and always be seen carrying a clipboard. That is how officers know you are super good at the job.

Posted by: Invictus at January 31, 2013 11:47 AM (OQpzc)

227 Worth checking out?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 11:45 AM (piMMO)

Yes. Just started last night. (I missed the last twenty minutes but have it on DVR) I thought it was pretty good.

Posted by: RWC at January 31, 2013 11:47 AM (fWAjv)

228 78 I posted this yesterday on the ONT.Several days ago we had a discussion about buying guns in an LLC. I thought that was impossible, because of pistol permits etc.Talked Larry Hyatt, Hyatt gun largest gun shop in USA, two days ago and he said he had never done it, but he would as long as I the managing partner had a permit and passed the background check.Put your guns in a LLC. You can sell or give the stock to anyone and there will be no transfer fees, background checks etc.
Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 31, 2013 11:11 AM (wR+pz)

You're welcome.

Posted by: Jollyroger at January 31, 2013 11:47 AM (t06LC)

229 But yeah. Bill is dead. What to watch for now is for the Ds to play the "well this is TOO extreme, but heres "sensible" proposals instead" card.

---

A combination of background checks and changes to mental health issues is probably next.

That's where they should probably have gone to begin with, but I figure they'll still overreach by going all Soviet, such as universal background checks on all transfers, even inheritances, and tweaking things so that a bunch of mental health conditions will trigger a red-flag barring gun ownership.

For example, I bet that depression, anxiety, and so forth will all be red flags to disqualify someone from purchases.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 31, 2013 11:47 AM (e0xKF)

230
Hola amigo rickb223, its Colombia. Not Columbia. Si?

***

I miss th4e days when we could call the other countries whatever we damn well pleased and they had to take it.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 31, 2013 11:47 AM (XUKZU)

231 Then, when I did get to the AQ shop, it was run by a bean counter who wouldn't buy parts.
Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at January 31, 2013 11:44 AM (Qxe/p)

You were an AQ? I was an AT.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 11:48 AM (l86i3)

232 Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at January 31, 2013 11:44 AM (Qxe/p)


I'm actualy Ret. Navy Electronic Tech meself.... but as bad as it was when I was in.... its on steroids now apparently....

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 31, 2013 11:48 AM (lZBBB)

233 changes to mental health issues is probably next.

***

Biden'll be all over that.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 31, 2013 11:48 AM (XUKZU)

234 >>>Bullshit. Any treaty must conform to the Constitution.

And? I'm sure gun confiscation will just be a tax on firearms owners, payable in firearms only.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 31, 2013 11:48 AM (0q2P7)

235 You can weaponize a whole lot of innocuous items and kill people just fine with them.

Murrah Building, OKC: fertilizer

WTC, NYC: planes

The Entire ME: Cellphones

They want the guns because anyone with a few hundred dollars can defend themselves. Saddam Hussein did not stay in power because he was beloved, he stayed in power because he owned the guns and the people shooting the guns and had no compunction about using them.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 31, 2013 11:49 AM (kXoT0)

236 Dial 911 and Die.
ISBN 0-9642304-4-5
Richard W. Stevens

"The Shocking Truth about the Police Protection Myth"

Distributed by JPFO dot org.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2013 11:49 AM (GFM2b)

237 193 @185
see my #153. Any comments?
Posted by: pep at January 31, 2013 11:37 AM (YXmuI)


Certainly I'd take him over 'tested' Mitt Romney, who signed an assault weapon ban but was oh so electable.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 31, 2013 11:49 AM (74T7W)

238
I miss th4e days when we could call the other countries whatever we damn well pleased and they had to take it.
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 31, 2013 11:47 AM (XUKZU)

Third world shit hole is my favorite title. By the way my name is OSP, Eurocentric Xenophobe.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 11:49 AM (l86i3)

239 216 A loaded revolver is always ready to go. That is very good but it makes safety training and familiarization absolutely essential.

Posted by: SurferDoc at January 31, 2013 11:43 AM (6H6FZ)


Excellent point.
I've been reading articles about how people own "larger" caliber stuff, but practice with a .22 (cost, primarily)

That doesn't sound right to me. It seems like you should "dance with what you bought", because it will behave differently.

Moron opinions on this appreciated. You can also call me a racist or accuse me of being homophobic, too.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at January 31, 2013 11:50 AM (Qxe/p)

240 204 Read your constitution. Treaties immediately upon Senate ratification supersede US Law. Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 31, 2013 11:30 AM (0q2P7) Bullshit. Any treaty must conform to the Constitution. The Court once ruled that with the Migratory Bird treaty but it was quickly reversed shortly after.The court has ruled many times that all treaties must conform to the Constitution.
Posted by: Vic at January 31, 2013 11:41 AM (53z96)

Treaties have the effect of regular laws. They still must be constitutional. Vic is correct.

Posted by: Jollyroger at January 31, 2013 11:50 AM (t06LC)

241 234 >>>Bullshit. Any treaty must conform to the Constitution.

And? I'm sure gun confiscation will just be a tax on firearms owners, payable in firearms only.

---

I think that Eric Holder's buddies south of the border have a response to this kind of thing...

"Silver or lead?"

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 31, 2013 11:50 AM (e0xKF)

242 Serious chain reaction pileup in Detroit. Eight critically injured, two dead.

Here's praying all morons are safely tucked away somewhere and not stuck in the middle of it.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 11:50 AM (piMMO)

243 >>>Still think new and untested is a good idea for president?

Anecdote noted. Question considered. Answer affirmative.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 31, 2013 11:51 AM (0q2P7)

244 I love my daughters!!!!!

Posted by: Ma Bell at January 31, 2013 11:44 AM (uVuwp)

We love them too. As well as all the other youngsters still willing to defend this great nation.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 31, 2013 11:51 AM (kXoT0)

245 Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2013 11:49 AM (GFM2b)

Always nice to remind people that police have absolutely no duty to protect them.

Posted by: RWC at January 31, 2013 11:51 AM (fWAjv)

246 242 Serious chain reaction pileup in Detroit. Eight critically injured, two dead.

---

I didn't realize there were enough people left in Detroit to have one of those.

They must be coming in from the outlying counties / suburbs.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 31, 2013 11:51 AM (e0xKF)

247

NDH: Yes. Good actor. Kid actors are cute, too.

Justified is getting real dark. Ave & Boyd need to go down ...bad! Raylan needs better taste in women.

Posted by: Waldo Truth at January 31, 2013 11:51 AM (jwumz)

248 Hola amigo rickb223, its Colombia. Not Columbia. Si?

***

I miss th4e days when we could call the other countries whatever we damn well pleased and they had to take it.

Well, to be fair, I DO know better and that was a major brain fart.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2013 11:51 AM (GFM2b)

249 Excellent point.
I've been reading articles about how people own "larger" caliber stuff, but practice with a .22 (cost, primarily)

That doesn't sound right to me. It seems like you should "dance with what you bought", because it will behave differently.

Moron opinions on this appreciated. You can also call me a racist or accuse me of being homophobic, too.

****

Firing a .22 would not prepare me for firing my .40 and might, in fact, make me even less prepared as the initial flash and *BOOM* might startle me.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 11:52 AM (piMMO)

250 OSP is so old school, he calls Jakarta Jockstrap just like the Asiatic Fleet sailors did before WWII.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 31, 2013 11:53 AM (S7Hzw)

251 "dance with what you bought"

Agreed, hand guns are like women, they all need something a little different to make them work porperly.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 11:54 AM (l86i3)

252 Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 31, 2013 11:47 AM (e0xKF)

Scarier is the Precedent....

The Push is on to allow a Doctor, without any Court action, to decide you cannot excercise a RIGHT...

Next will be a 'data field' on your medical record, where the Doctor indicates via a check box whether its OK for you to buy, or OWN, a weapon... it will be done by Executive Order, and that info will be 'shared' to the Background check folks....

ie.... a Doctor will have VETO power over your RIGHT!

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 31, 2013 11:54 AM (lZBBB)

253 OSP is so old school, he calls Jakarta Jockstrap just like the Asiatic Fleet sailors did before WWII.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 31, 2013 11:53 AM (S7Hzw)

*writing that down*

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 11:54 AM (l86i3)

254 Justified is getting real dark. Ave Boyd need to go down ...bad! Raylan needs better taste in women.


Hahaha! Raylan's only flaw was succumbing to power of pussy! How many of us morons would challenge that eternal truth?

Posted by: EC at January 31, 2013 11:54 AM (GQ8sn)

255 I really get paranoid when we start with the gun debate with it framed as a "Self Defense" issue. Then we are debating a method of protecting ourselves that can or cannot be accomplished with guns. However, according to the constitution, it is a right and cannot be infringed upon. No argument needs to be made further than that.

We lose when it becomes a "personal defense" issue or a "hunter - sportsman"
issue. The right to bear arms is there for one reason - to shoot the fuckers that would take it away.

END OF STORY.. We should not let the left bend the dialog.

Posted by: catman at January 31, 2013 11:55 AM (NYdB8)

256 171 Posted by: Assault Scissors at January 31, 2013 11:31 AM (EZl54)

---------

Hmm. Strikes me that there might be a market for scissors with bayonet lugs developing...

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at January 31, 2013 11:55 AM (NmR1a)

257 Moron opinions on this appreciated. You can also call me a racist or accuse me of being homophobic, too.
Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at January 31, 2013 11:50 AM (Qxe/p)

Buying my girlfriend a .357 SW Ladysmith for her birthday in Febuary. One can use .38 Special in a .357, but most of the focus in familiarization will be done using .357, as expensive as it is, for the reason you gave. A comparatively short-barreled revolver like the Ladysmith will 'behave' far more differently shooting .357 than it will shooting .38 Special. She needs to know how to handle and shoot the caliber she'll be carrying.

Posted by: troyriser at January 31, 2013 11:55 AM (vtiE6)

258 Always nice to remind people that police have absolutely no duty to protect them.

And, that in most states, you have no legal recourse for sueing when they don't.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2013 11:55 AM (GFM2b)

259 For those that are all "Treaties have to obey the CONSTITUTION!!!"

Non-withstanding Roberts what calls everything a tax...

Keep in mind that NY Mass and California have a myriad of gun laws that you likely do not have. All of them could be imposed nationwide by treaty.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 31, 2013 11:55 AM (0q2P7)

260 Hmm. Strikes me that there might be a market for scissors with bayonet lugs developing...
Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at January 31, 2013 11:55 AM (NmR1a

Yep, and where is the rail for the scope?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 11:56 AM (l86i3)

261 OT

Daily Caller has the self-shot mirror pics of the world's greatest high school math teacher. Some of them are NSFW.

Posted by: EC at January 31, 2013 11:56 AM (GQ8sn)

262 And, that in most states, you have no legal recourse for sueing when they don't.

Even if you could, a lawsuit won't bring you back from the dead.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 31, 2013 11:56 AM (ZKzrr)

263 Serious chain reaction pileup in Detroit. Eight critically injured, two dead. Here's praying all morons are safely tucked away somewhere and not stuck in the middle of it.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 11:50 AM (piMMO)


Geez. The story I jsut read says one of the fatalities involved a car wherethe back end folded forward OVER the front end.

How fast were these people going in white out conditions?

God. I hope everyone else involved is well and able to get in touch with loved ones.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 31, 2013 11:57 AM (4df7R)

264 a car wherethe back end folded forward OVER the front end.

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What the fuck were they driving, a Geo?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 31, 2013 11:58 AM (e0xKF)

265 That doesn't sound right to me. It seems like you should "dance with what you bought", because it will behave differently.
Posted by: jwb7605


Must be nice to be rich.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 31, 2013 11:58 AM (xz0nG)

266 Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 11:52 AM (piMMO)

I taught my kids on a .22.... so they got good sight picture habits... stance... trigger pull...

Less boom made them want to shoot more initialy... and with the cheaper ammo made it so they shot more rounds more often...

But I did then transition them up to my .45 and had them do enough rounds to get proficient with it...

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 31, 2013 11:59 AM (lZBBB)

267 Hagel is gonna get voted out of the committee unless one or two dems defect which is unlikely. But we will see

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 31, 2013 11:59 AM (9Bj8R)

268
EC: after they stole 20k from meant for my kid? Never.

Posted by: Waldo Truth at January 31, 2013 11:59 AM (jwumz)

269 You can weaponize a whole lot of innocuous items and kill people just fine with them.

Speaking of, I made jello salad last night. With celery and walnuts.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 31, 2013 11:59 AM (ZKzrr)

270 >>>We lose when it becomes a "personal defense" issue or a "hunter - sportsman"
issue. The right to bear arms is there for one reason - to shoot the fuckers that would take it away.

>>>END OF STORY.. We should not let the left bend the dialog.


There does need to be a better defense than "It's in the Constitution" otherwise one day it won't be. So it isn't the "end of story"

The answer to the attacks from the left are simple. Democracy by itself is not adequate protection against tyranny. There are a number of good historical examples, find and understand your own.

If they argue that the citizenry would not stand a chance against a tyrannical government (e.g. It's pointless) the easy retort is, "If that's true the Citizens need to be better armed"

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 31, 2013 12:00 PM (0q2P7)

271 a car wherethe back end folded forward OVER the front end.

But it met the CAFE standards, and that's what's important here.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 31, 2013 12:00 PM (ZKzrr)

272 I am not a beer. I do not go down smooth and easy.

Posted by: Lessons from the Ceramic Throne at January 31, 2013 12:01 PM (ze9yk)

273
Moron opinions on this appreciated. You can also call me a racist or accuse me of being homophobic, too.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at January 31, 2013 11:50 AM (Qxe/p)

Anecdote of the Obamony. I saw a guy on a street corner holding a sign saying that you could yell at him and call him names for a buck.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 31, 2013 12:01 PM (XUKZU)

274 Must be nice to be rich.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 31, 2013 11:58 AM (xz0nG)


You're probably right about that!
One of the reasons I haven't practiced with the .44 Magnum I tragically lost in a boating accident several years ago.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at January 31, 2013 12:01 PM (Qxe/p)

275 a car wherethe back end folded forward OVER the front end.
But it met the CAFE standards, and that's what's important here.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 31, 2013 12:00 PM (ZKzrr)


It definitely couldn't have been a solid car like they USED to build in Detroit.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 31, 2013 12:01 PM (4df7R)

276
I just realized the fbi agent on The Americans was the crazy cdc doc in TWD.

Posted by: Waldo Truth at January 31, 2013 12:01 PM (jwumz)

277 If they argue that the citizenry would not stand a chance against a tyrannical government (e.g. It's pointless) the easy retort is, "If that's true the Citizens need to be better armed"

---

Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.

Posted by: JEF Of Borg at January 31, 2013 12:01 PM (e0xKF)

278 Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 11:54 AM (l86i3)


Yeah.... but then there was Thailand.... Phuket to be precise.... or Fuckit as we called it...

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 31, 2013 12:01 PM (lZBBB)

279 2nd Amendment is a doomsday provision against a tyrannical govt. One that can easily be taken away if not vigilant.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at January 31, 2013 12:02 PM (xAtAj)

280 I just realized the fbi agent on The Americans was the crazy cdc doc in TWD.
Posted by: Waldo Truth at January 31, 2013 12:01 PM (jwumz)


That guy is one of those actors who's in everything, but no one knows his name. He's a perfect, "Hey, it's that guy!" guy.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 31, 2013 12:02 PM (4df7R)

281 Uh oh OSP is taking me seriously on that? Ruh roh raggy...

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 31, 2013 12:03 PM (S7Hzw)

282 Yeah.... but then there was Thailand.... Phuket to be precise.... or Fuckit as we called it...
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 31, 2013 12:01 PM (lZBBB)

French asian is a good breed of woman, damn good.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 12:03 PM (l86i3)

283 Firing a .22 would not prepare me for firing my .40 and might, in fact,
make me even less prepared as the initial flash and *BOOM* might startle
me.


Maybe, but practicing with a .22 hones basic shooting skills. If you can't hit anything with a .22, you're not going to hit anything with a .40, either.

If you're good with a .22, chances are you'll be at least adequate with the .40. But yeah- it'll take practice with the .40 to be good with it.

From what I understand (and have experienced while hunting), in an intense shooting situation you don't notice the recoil and report like you do at the range. If I try to shoot my 7mm Mag with no hearing protection at an outdoor range, it's painfully loud. When I'm shooting at a deer, I'm aware that the rifle fired, but barely hear or feel it.

IIRC the phenomenon is known as "auditory exclusion".

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 31, 2013 12:03 PM (SY2Kh)

284 If tweets are any indication, Chuck Hagel is screwing the pooch at this Senate hearing.

Posted by: joncelli at January 31, 2013 12:03 PM (RD7QR)

285 You can weaponize a whole lot of innocuous items and kill people just fine with them.

Speaking of, I made jello salad last night. With celery and walnuts.

Corned beef & cabbage.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2013 12:03 PM (GFM2b)

286 Uh oh OSP is taking me seriously on that? Ruh roh raggy...
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 31, 2013 12:03 PM (S7Hzw)

I'm as Ceral as the crowd i'm with.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 12:04 PM (l86i3)

287 Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 31, 2013 12:00 PM (0q2P7)


And when my Mom asked 'why would anyone need a 30 round clip?" (she's a saftey first type voter...)...

I answered... "because the Average Home invasion is done by FOUR people, and sometimes, I MISS..."

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 31, 2013 12:04 PM (lZBBB)

288 All of you who are popping off about treaties and the Constitution need to Goggle/Bing Reid v. Covert (1957)

Posted by: Vic at January 31, 2013 12:04 PM (53z96)

289 If they argue that the citizenry would not stand a chance against a tyrannical government (e.g. It's pointless) the easy retort is,


Afghanistan.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2013 12:04 PM (GFM2b)

290 I do have a recipe for a jello salad with corned beef. I'm working my way up to it.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 31, 2013 12:05 PM (ZKzrr)

291 I do have a recipe for a jello salad with corned beef. I'm working my way up to it.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 31, 2013 12:05 PM (ZKzrr)


Are you sure you're not a good Lutheran girl.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 12:05 PM (l86i3)

292 I do have a recipe for a jello salad with corned beef. I'm working my way up to it.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 31, 2013 12:05 PM (ZKzrr)


That is possibly the scariest thing I've read all day.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 31, 2013 12:05 PM (4df7R)

293 Speaking of, I made jello salad last night. With celery and walnuts.

****

I miss the Great Jello Riots of 2012.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 12:06 PM (piMMO)

294 If tweets are any indication, Chuck Hagel is screwing the pooch at this Senate hearing.
Posted by: joncelli at January 31, 2013 12:03 PM (RD7QR)

All he has to do is hold the dems to get out of committee?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 31, 2013 12:06 PM (9Bj8R)

295 Greetings:

Wasn't it Senatress Feinstein who first said, "You can take my Senate seat when you pry it from my cold, dead ass." ???

Posted by: 11B40 at January 31, 2013 12:06 PM (ABiJt)

296 Are you sure you're not a good Lutheran girl.

Which parts are in doubt? (I'm guessing not the third.)

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Keeper of Ampersands and Breitbart Login Spaces at January 31, 2013 12:07 PM (GBXon)

297 294 If tweets are any indication, Chuck Hagel is screwing the pooch at this Senate hearing.
Posted by: joncelli at January 31, 2013 12:03 PM (RD7QR)

All he has to do is hold the dems to get out of committee?

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Keep fucking that chicken, Chuckie.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 31, 2013 12:08 PM (e0xKF)

298 From what I understand (and have experienced while hunting), in an intense shooting situation you don't notice the recoil and report like you do at the range. If I try to shoot my 7mm Mag with no hearing protection at an outdoor range, it's painfully loud. When I'm shooting at a deer, I'm aware that the rifle fired, but barely hear or feel it.

IIRC the phenomenon is known as "auditory exclusion".

****

that makes sense. It seems the basic defense of life/adrenaline would overpower any lesser potential for injury or fear.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 12:08 PM (piMMO)

299 Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon.
http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 12:03 PM (l86i3)


Best birthday of my life, I turned 23 in Pattaya Beach. Former EW here, originally enlisted to be an AT, but my DEP wait was going to be 11 months, so I badgered my recruiter into finding me something that shipped earlier.

Posted by: Country Singer at January 31, 2013 12:09 PM (L8r/r)

300 Four men wearing enlisted service dress blues attended a Las Vegas expo filled with porn stars. And a Utah National Guardsman has the pics to prove it.
The picture-taker, a 29-year old specialist who requested his full name not be used and attended the event out of uniform, said he was in the crowd Jan. 19 at the Adult Entertainment Expo at the Hard Rock Hotel & Casino when he noticed the quartet.
“There’s something wrong with these pictures,” said the tipster who sent the above image — and other pictures, including some less suitable for publication. “It’s awesome that these [adult film stars] support [the military], but that’s not what the uniform’s for.”
The uniform-wearers aren’t sporting name tags or command tabs in any of the photos, but at least two have ribbon racks. One wears the rating badge of an information systems technician third class; another, with a ribbon rack three rows deep, wears an E-5 badge — possibly of a fire controlman, but the picture’s not focused on his sleeve.
And neither was anybody else.

Kinda funny, but if they get identified and caught, they be in heep big trouble

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 31, 2013 12:09 PM (9Bj8R)

301 You know, that info would've been helpful last night when I was dealing with the idiots.


For those of you that were around as I reposted the comments, you guys were awesome. Kept me from getting pissed and I was just able to laugh with you guys.

Posted by: Def Leppard Drummer Rick Allen at January 31, 2013 12:09 PM (da5Wo)

302 You know, that info would've been helpful last night when I was dealing with the idiots.


For those of you that were around as I reposted the comments, you guys were awesome. Kept me from getting pissed and I was just able to laugh with you guys.

****

Awww hell.

What did I miss?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 12:10 PM (piMMO)

303 Anecdote of the Obamony. I saw a guy on a street corner holding a sign saying that you could yell at him and call him names for a buck.

The other day I announced on twitter that I was opening a business called Mea Culpa Inc.
We accept responsibility* for your screw-up.
Major credit cards accepted.
Professional scapegoats are standing by.

*but not liability

Posted by: votermom at January 31, 2013 12:10 PM (wOIt+)

304 277.If they argue that the citizenry would not stand a chance against a
tyrannical government (e.g. It's pointless) the easy retort is, "If
that's true the Citizens need to be better armed"



---



Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.

Posted by: JEF Of Borg

__

Ever notice how much propaganda FOR becoming Borg is broadcast? Aside from the latest electronic device advertisement, the thrust of modern medicine is to replace as many body parts as possible with mechanical fabrications for the biggest profits, whether or not a wise decision made by patients who "feel" they "deserve" whatever, deserve having nothing to do with propaganda beyond the manner of manipulation.

Posted by: panzernashorn at January 31, 2013 12:11 PM (MhA4j)

305 Well shit, the sock was still there from yesterday.



Lets post again, shall we?




You know, that info would've been helpful last night when I was dealing with the idiots.


For
those of you that were around as I reposted the comments, you guys were
awesome. Kept me from getting pissed and I was just able to laugh with
you guys.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 31, 2013 12:11 PM (da5Wo)

306 Let me rephrase that for you: "Typically, victims are sitting ducks for the 10-15 minutes it takes law enforcement to arrive."

That would only be true in cases where law enforcement decided to enter the building.

Posted by: Troll Feeder at January 31, 2013 12:11 PM (BDetS)

307 >>>I'm aware that the rifle fired, but barely hear or feel it.

Yeah. I've jacked in a new round without even remembering cycling the action.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 31, 2013 12:12 PM (0q2P7)

308 Four men wearing enlisted service dress blues army/navy surplus attended a Las Vegas expo filled with porn stars. And a Utah National Guardsman has the pics to prove it.

Fixed it?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2013 12:12 PM (GFM2b)

309 You know, that info would've been helpful last night when I was dealing with the idiots.


For
those of you that were around as I reposted the comments, you guys were
awesome. Kept me from getting pissed and I was just able to laugh with
you guys.


Posted by: Def Leppard Drummer Rick Allen at January 31, 2013 12:09 PM (da5Wo)


BCochran, you cannot hide from me! I know that has anywhere.

Posted by: EC at January 31, 2013 12:12 PM (GQ8sn)

310 IIRC the phenomenon is known as "auditory exclusion".
Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 31, 2013 12:03 PM (SY2Kh)

The book On Killing, goes into that in depth. The brain is weird.

Posted by: Invictus at January 31, 2013 12:12 PM (OQpzc)

311 NDH, got into a FB war with some antigun morons. (Little M)


I was reposting the comments back and forth on the ONT and the thread right before it.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 31, 2013 12:12 PM (da5Wo)

312 Four men wearing enlisted service dress blues army/navy surplus attended a Las Vegas expo filled with porn stars. And a Utah National Guardsman has the pics to prove it.

Fixed it?
Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2013 12:12 PM (GFM2b)

Maybe? I hope so

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 31, 2013 12:12 PM (9Bj8R)

313 309
You know, that info would've been helpful last night when I was dealing with the idiots.


For

those of you that were around as I reposted the comments, you guys were

awesome. Kept me from getting pissed and I was just able to laugh with

you guys.




Posted by: Def Leppard Drummer Rick Allen at January 31, 2013 12:09 PM (da5Wo)

BCochran, you cannot hide from me! I know that has anywhere.


Posted by: EC at January 31, 2013 12:12 PM (GQ8sn)


And how's the new album coming along?

Posted by: EC at January 31, 2013 12:12 PM (GQ8sn)

314 The Americans was pretty good. Better than The Following, IMO.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 31, 2013 12:13 PM (+z4pE)

315 The uniform-wearers aren’t sporting name tags or command tabs in any of the photos, but at least two have ribbon racks. One wears the rating badge of an information systems technician third class; another, with a ribbon rack three rows deep, wears an E-5 badge — possibly of a fire controlman, but the picture’s not focused on his sleeve.

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They're focused on these two ribbon racks out of all the racks in that picture to choose from?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 31, 2013 12:13 PM (e0xKF)

316 And how's the new album coming along?


Posted by: EC at January 31, 2013 12:12 PM (GQ8sn)



LMAO. Damn sock was still on the work computer from yesterday.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 31, 2013 12:14 PM (da5Wo)

317 And he probably didn’t serve in the U.S. military.

Yea, something about having other people shoot back at you with intent, that give you a lot of respect for guns and their use.

Posted by: Paladin at January 31, 2013 12:14 PM (LtaK3)

318 Just make a copy of the Federalist Paper #46. Madison explains the need for a 30 round mag quite well.

Posted by: polynikes at January 31, 2013 12:14 PM (m2CN7)

319 I dvrd the Americans, look fwd to seeing it.
Anyone here watch Continuum on Syfy (mondays)?

Posted by: votermom at January 31, 2013 12:14 PM (wOIt+)

320 Professional scapegoats are standing by.
__

"I take full responsibility" with no culpability -- Sec/State Hillary Clinton.
"I take full responsibility" with no culpability -- POTUS B.H.Obama

What difference does anything make?
Only is everything is the same in conformity.

Posted by: panzernashorn at January 31, 2013 12:14 PM (MhA4j)

321 That would only be true in cases where law enforcement decided to enter the building.
Posted by: Troll Feeder at January 31, 2013 12:11 PM (BDetS)

Don't be the victim of a riot in Austin. The police will not enter the area until it has died down.

Posted by: Invictus at January 31, 2013 12:16 PM (OQpzc)

322 Four men wearing enlisted service dress blues army/navy surplus attended a Las Vegas expo filled with porn stars. And a Utah National Guardsman has the pics to prove it.

Fixed it?
Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2013 12:12 PM (GFM2b)

Maybe? I hope so

Only reason I can think of for no unit tabs. They didn't have them because they didn't know. Posuers.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2013 12:16 PM (GFM2b)

323 "I've been reading articles about how people own "larger" caliber stuff, but practice with a .22 (cost, primarily)

That doesn't sound right to me. It seems like you should "dance with what you bought", because it will behave differently."

You can start a beginner off with a .22 revolver and move quickly to a .38/.357 with light target loads. Too long with a .22 or switching from a .22 auto to a larger caliber revolver doesn't work as well. If all you have is a large caliber revolver start them off on that with light loads. Hearing protection is a must. The noise scares beginners more than recoil will.

Posted by: SurferDoc at January 31, 2013 12:16 PM (6H6FZ)

324 Anyone here watch Continuum on Syfy (mondays)?

Posted by: votermom at January 31, 2013 12:14 PM (wOIt+)


Yes! Finally -- no werewolves or vampires!
Syfy reruns it about 4 times a week.
It shows "promise", and could easily start going where "Person Of Interest" started out.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at January 31, 2013 12:16 PM (Qxe/p)

325 NDH, got into a FB war with some antigun morons. (Little M)


I was reposting the comments back and forth on the ONT and the thread right before it.

***

Dang it!

I seem to have a knack for taking a break when the action goes down.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 12:16 PM (piMMO)

326 I miss the Great Jello Riots of 2012.

I still have some Assault Muffins left over from that.

In the freezer.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 31, 2013 12:17 PM (+z4pE)

327 @243
Anecdote? I do not think it means what you think it means. Or perhaps this is not the hill to die on.

Posted by: pep at January 31, 2013 12:17 PM (YXmuI)

328 Which parts are in doubt? (I'm guessing not the third.)

Well I'm not a "good" Lutheran; they told me I'm going to Hell because I didn't get married and have children.

But I like coffee and sweet rolls.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 31, 2013 12:18 PM (ZKzrr)

329
Want to read something great on this subject? Check out this letter from the Colorado County Sherrifs. Link squashers never seem to work, so I'll break up the link:

www.csoc .org/ ppdocs/ Gun Control Legislation .pdf

Take out the spaces and love this...

Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at January 31, 2013 12:18 PM (1Y+hH)

330 Dang it!



I seem to have a knack for taking a break when the action goes down.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 12:16 PM (piMMO)



Haha. Its at the end of the thread before the ONT and then carries over onto the ONT.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 31, 2013 12:18 PM (da5Wo)

331 Continuum on Syfy looks to be a commie Canadian production.

Watched the first one and it started out like a bunch of Occupooper propaganda, but then it got better.

Posted by: Golan Globus at January 31, 2013 12:19 PM (pZDxu)

332 Anyone hear from Jane since the bad weather passed through last night?

Last I heard there were tornado sirens going off.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 12:20 PM (piMMO)

333 So ace is up at 9:45, makes a courtesy post over here, then nothing else for over two hours. Anybody else feel cheated on?



And just what the hell is supposed to be so special about The Conversation? I'm just not getting it. Basically a conservative opinion aggregator designed to increase traffic to Breitbart? Not that I'm saying that's necessarily a bad thing.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 31, 2013 12:20 PM (4c71i)

334 Professional scapegoats are standing by.
__

"I take full responsibility" with no culpability -- Sec/State Hillary Clinton.
"I take full responsibility" with no culpability -- POTUS B.H.Obama

***

It's a growth industry.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 31, 2013 12:20 PM (XUKZU)

335 But wait, if you have your assault scissors and the crazy is across the room....won't you have to "Run" at him with you scissors in hand? Well that could end up getting someone hurt. *snark-off*

Posted by: Paladin at January 31, 2013 12:21 PM (LtaK3)

336 But I like coffee and sweet rolls.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 31, 2013 12:18 PM (ZKzrr)

The gates of Heaven are open for you, I'm sure of it.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 12:21 PM (l86i3)

337 Watched the first one and it started out like a bunch of Occupooper propaganda, but then it got better.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the Liber8 neo-Occupoopers stay the bad guys.

Posted by: votermom at January 31, 2013 12:22 PM (wOIt+)

338 And just what the hell is supposed to be so special about The Conversation? I'm just not getting it. Basically a conservative opinion aggregator designed to increase traffic to Breitbart? Not that I'm saying that's necessarily a bad thing.Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 31, 2013 12:20 PM (4c71i)Maybe you could give it more than day...

Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at January 31, 2013 12:22 PM (1Y+hH)

339 room....won't you have to "Run" at him with you scissors in hand? Well that could end up getting someone hurt. *snark-off*
Posted by: Paladin at January 31, 2013 12:21 PM (LtaK3)

Don't forget the preparatory bombardment with staplers and the like.

Posted by: Invictus at January 31, 2013 12:22 PM (OQpzc)

340 Going on 10:30 here...time to start drinking.

Posted by: model_1066 at January 31, 2013 12:23 PM (7xPCu)

341 @72 naturalfake

What's a good one for the wife that has an easy racking slide?


The Sig Sauer Mosquito is really easy.

The Kahr P380 is ok once it has been broken in.

Posted by: Troll Feeder at January 31, 2013 12:23 PM (BDetS)

342 I doubt ace was here today. He was on twitter (prison) till around 3 am.

Posted by: Waldo Truth at January 31, 2013 12:23 PM (jwumz)

343 Syfy is an NBC network I believe.

Posted by: GMan at January 31, 2013 12:23 PM (sxq57)

344 >>>That doesn't sound right to me. It seems like you should "dance with what you bought", because it will behave differently."

True. But that doesn't mean that shooting the .22 is not beneficial.

2 things.

1. Shooting a high powered rifle like a 7mm Rem Mag or 30-06 is going to wear down your shoulder quickly. Two boxes of shells in you are likely done for the day.

2. After two boxes of shells you could take your family to dinner...at a nice place.

The shooters discipline is *part* familiarity with your weapon, and part repetition of your shooting routine. To get good at the repetition part you need to shoot thousands of rounds. Doing that on your high powered rifle would wear out the barrel rendering the gun useless, destroy your shoulder, and cost you a mint. So most shooters do routine repetition practice with a .22 and do confidence shooting with their big guns only occasionally.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 31, 2013 12:23 PM (0q2P7)

345 So ace is up at 9:45, makes a courtesy post over here, then nothing else for over two hours. Anybody else feel cheated on?




Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 31, 2013 12:20 PM (4c71i)

you.have.no.idea

Posted by: Hillary Rodham at January 31, 2013 12:23 PM (nELVU)

346 340 Going on 10:30 here...time to start drinking.

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Well, it's 5 o'clock somewhere...

Posted by: Jimmy Buffett at January 31, 2013 12:23 PM (e0xKF)

347 How many of the school shooters were on psychotropic drugs, or withdrawing from same?

Posted by: jeanne at January 31, 2013 12:23 PM (GdalM)

348 What's a good one for the wife that has an easy racking slide?

You know I haven't had enough coffee when I read that as "wife that has an easy sliding rack."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 31, 2013 12:23 PM (zF6Iw)

349 My things better be in order when I get back from lunch, or else...

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at January 31, 2013 12:24 PM (epxV4)

350 347 How many of the school shooters were on psychotropic drugs, or withdrawing from same?
Posted by: jeanne at January 31, 2013 12:23 PM (GdalM)

No need for you to have that information, gringo.

Posted by: Michael Moore at January 31, 2013 12:24 PM (x7g7t)

351 How many of the school shooters were on psychotropic drugs, or withdrawing from same?
Posted by: jeanne at January 31, 2013 12:23 PM (GdalM)


I'm thinkin most of them, throw in a single parent home and you might be onto something.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 12:25 PM (l86i3)

352
A lot of words, the bottom line is Feinstein and her ilk are just evil. They don't care about safety and they aren't putting on a show to pander to constituents even dumber than they are. It's not about the show. They truly just want to do this for sake of pure power.

Even if they aren't secretly planning some Stalinist-style police state, the fact that we have guns is psychological... to them, and to us. A person who is truly helpless will have more fear and in that fear they will act differently. They want conservatives to toe the line. They want them to fear the government.

Feinstein isn't smart enough to have a secret agenda. Her agenda is clear, bow down and kiss her ring.

Posted by: Andrew at January 31, 2013 12:25 PM (HS3dy)

353 And just what the hell is supposed to be so special about The Conversation?

If Ace ordained, say, fifteen Designated AoS commenters, and only they could comment, I think we would have here The Conversation.

The Breitbart version isn't much fun, Ace and Iowahawk notwithstanding.

Posted by: t-bird at January 31, 2013 12:25 PM (FcR7P)

354 Don't forget the preparatory bombardment with staplers and the like.
Posted by: Invictus at January 31, 2013 12:22 PM (OQpzc)

Or throw some hot assault coffee at the shooter.

Posted by: model_1066 at January 31, 2013 12:25 PM (7xPCu)

355 Or throw some hot assault coffee at the shooter.
Posted by: model_1066 at January 31, 2013 12:25 PM (7xPCu)

Huh Huh, Dude, it works....

Posted by: Jeff Spicoli at January 31, 2013 12:26 PM (l86i3)

356 A lot of words, the bottom line is Feinstein and her ilk are just evil.

Feinstein really is a lot like Dolores Umbridge in Harry Potter (that awful pink lady). Same psychology.

Posted by: votermom at January 31, 2013 12:27 PM (wOIt+)

357 The shooters discipline is *part* familiarity with your weapon, and part repetition of your shooting routine. To get good at the repetition part you need to shoot thousands of rounds. Doing that on your high powered rifle would wear out the barrel rendering the gun useless, destroy your shoulder, and cost you a mint. So most shooters do routine repetition practice with a .22 and do confidence shooting with their big guns only occasionally.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 31, 2013 12:23 PM (0q2P7)


That does make sense.
I used to work for the company that made the laser "bullet" that another company called FireArms Training used to train Olympic shooters.
Are there such things in the "private" world as far as shooting ranges go? It seems to me like that would be productive and useful.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at January 31, 2013 12:27 PM (Qxe/p)

358 Huh Huh, Dude, it works....
Posted by: Jeff Spicoli at January 31, 2013 12:26 PM (l86i3)

I was thinking of that movie when typing!!

Posted by: model_1066 at January 31, 2013 12:27 PM (7xPCu)

359 Or throw some hot assault coffee at the shooter.

Rubber bands for longer range engagements.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 31, 2013 12:28 PM (+z4pE)

360 my 13 yr old found a yo yo in his older brothers room & was playing with it this morning before school......i said you know those started out as weapons.....he frowned and said great...they'll ban these too......

Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at January 31, 2013 12:28 PM (GVxQo)

361 "Maybe you could give it more than day...


Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at January 31, 2013 12:22 PM (1Y+hH)"




I'm not saying I don't like it in reality, I'm just saying I'm not really seeing what makes it special.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 31, 2013 12:28 PM (4c71i)

362 Votermom. On Continuum I tried to watch it. The opening scene is freedom fighters attacking this high-rise. This high-rise is where the government meets and it collapses like the World Trade Centers. Freedom fighters who were fighting for democracy no less. That killed things a bit.

But I tried to watch more of it. One future cop gets sucked back in time with the freedom fighters. She is wearing a smart suit and has cortex installed smart chips and video contacts. And suddenly she is talking with someone in this timeline. Geeky kid with a hidden room in the family barn. But he is somehow receiving and transmitting data with the cop though he says his gear is experimental and encrypted. And when you meet the geeky kid's family, they are rural and complaining about how corporate fat cats get saved while if it was them, they would be screwed. Next issue is then future cop easily manages to sweet talk the local cops into talking with DHS to create a strike force to hunt her fugitives.

Sorry its all rubbish to me this show.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 31, 2013 12:28 PM (S7Hzw)

363 I'm thinkin most of them, throw in a single parent home and you might be onto something. Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 12:25 PM (l86i3)

We can fix that. We can ban parents.

In fact, I've been working on that particular issue my whole life.

It takes a village, you know.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at January 31, 2013 12:29 PM (sbV1u)

364 337 Watched the first one and it started out like a bunch of Occupooper propaganda, but then it got better.

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I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the Liber8 neo-Occupoopers stay the bad guys.

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Here's the thing...the Liber8 group, was against the tyrranical government in the future.

They weren't calling for government goodies, like the Occupoopers.
They were calling for their Rights and Freedoms to be restored.

The lady cop was called a 'Protector' in the future.
Which seemed like an Orwellian re-naming of law enforcement.

Three episodes so far...I'm not sure yet, where this storyline is going.
But it's kind of interesting so far.

Posted by: wheatie at January 31, 2013 12:29 PM (BZMZX)

365 >Arab-American groups call Coke Super Bowl ad "racist"<

http://tinyurl.com/aokfl3e

Actually, I agree with them. They should correctly portray them as Jihadists.

They should be thankful there wasn't a UBL lookalike available.

Personally, I think they should completely replace the Arab with a Zulu warrior. That works better for me anyway.

Posted by: Marcus at January 31, 2013 12:29 PM (GGCsk)

366 My things better be in order when I get back from lunch, or else...

Moving phone, hiding stapler, rearrainging desk top...

Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2013 12:30 PM (GFM2b)

367 Just a reminder: Diane Feinstein is one of the most corrupt Senators in the chamber and would be in prison on public corruption charges in a more just institution.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 31, 2013 12:30 PM (SY2Kh)

368 The left wants more mass shootings so they can continue to pass more legislation to "save" everyone. Doing anything to actually allieviate the problem like security on site, or arming ofstaff is a non-starter as that would ruin then entire plan.

Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at January 31, 2013 12:30 PM (1Y+hH)

369 Moving phone, hiding stapler, rearrainging desk top...

****

I had a real neat-freak who worked for me. I LOVED to rearrange his desk while he was out. Or, better, just move something ever-so-slightly and wait for him to notice.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 12:31 PM (piMMO)

370 The left wants more mass shootings so they can continue to pass more legislation to "save" everyone. Doing anything to actually allieviate the problem like security on site, or arming ofstaff is a non-starter as that would ruin then entire plan.

***

Oddly enough, they don't really want to discuss Ft. Hood.

Hmmm.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 12:32 PM (piMMO)

371
Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 31, 2013 12:28 PM (4c71i)


OK, don't give it more than a day, I don't care. I haven't even been there.

Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at January 31, 2013 12:32 PM (1Y+hH)

372 I had a real neat-freak who worked for me. I LOVED to rearrange his desk while he was out. Or, better, just move something ever-so-slightly and wait for him to notice.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 12:31 PM (piMMO)


And folks wonder what causes office shootings.

Posted by: Jeff Spicoli at January 31, 2013 12:32 PM (l86i3)

373 Notice how all these killers are MEN?

We need to out law men and their evil andro-normative values!!1!

Posted by: Feminist at January 31, 2013 12:32 PM (XvHmy)

374 Feinstein really is a lot like Dolores Umbridge in Harry Potter (that awful pink lady).

Never saw the later movies, but Rowling does a great job in books 5-7 (?) depicting fear-and-bureaucracy-run-amok.

Posted by: t-bird at January 31, 2013 12:33 PM (FcR7P)

375 Three episodes so far...I'm not sure yet, where this storyline is going.
But it's kind of interesting so far.

Posted by: wheatie at January 31, 2013 12:29 PM (BZMZX)


What caught my attention was how the premise forced you to look at things resulting from "the opposite extreme perspective" 65 years from now.

All things (including Libertarianism) don't end well unrestrained.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at January 31, 2013 12:33 PM (Qxe/p)

376
"The left wants more mass shootings so they can continue to pass more legislation to "save" everyone. Doing anything to actually allieviate the problem like security on site, or arming ofstaff is a non-starter as that would ruin then entire plan."

And this is where they reveal themselves. Being against armed security is absurd. They can't defend this. An armed guard at a school is no different than an armed guard anywhere else.

Posted by: Andrew at January 31, 2013 12:33 PM (HS3dy)

377 Diane Feinstein is one of the most corrupt Senators in the chamber and
would be in prison on public corruption charges in a more just
institution.

***

She's so corrupt even Bob Menendez wouldn't boink her. Also too old.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 31, 2013 12:33 PM (XUKZU)

378 The left wants more mass shootings so they can continue to pass more legislation to "save" everyone. Doing anything to actually allieviate the problem like security on site, or arming ofstaff is a non-starter as that would ruin then entire plan.

Actually solving the problem is NOT their goal.

Some other Moron mentioned the other day that that's why criminals are let out of prison as often as they are, to keep us good folk scared and dependent upon "authority" for "protection." I'm starting to think that's just about right.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 31, 2013 12:34 PM (+z4pE)

379 Hey MPPP an interview with Fritz Lang. About M, Peter Lorre, and directing What a dictator he was.

http://youtu.be/GT_s_6F5hCc

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 31, 2013 12:35 PM (S7Hzw)

380 The Coke comercial? They still ride around on camels. Didn't everyone see the footage from the "Arab Spring" at whatever square that was in Egypt? Towelheads on camels all over the place.

Posted by: Infidel at January 31, 2013 12:35 PM (O/fK8)

381 Hmmm.Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 12:32 PM (piMMO)___ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ___ _Indeed. They have to get past that whole beard-shaving thing. First things first.

Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at January 31, 2013 12:35 PM (1Y+hH)

382 "I had a real neat-freak who worked for me. I LOVED to rearrange his desk while he was out. Or, better, just move something ever-so-slightly and wait for him to notice."


I had a seriously OCD guy that worked for me once, who was a phenomenal guy but was great to fuck with. We'd be in the office and would put a paperclip on the desk just to watch him walk in and catch it in his peripheral vision and without thinking sweep it off into the desk drawer one one efficient move. He'd turn beet red when our snickering gave us away.


Of course the guy later went back to school at UConn for accounting and graduated valedictorian and is now a CFO, so maybe I need to look into the whole OCD thing.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 31, 2013 12:35 PM (4c71i)

383 I see on twitter that Hagel is crashing and burning at the hearing. Anyone watching it?

Posted by: Tami at January 31, 2013 12:36 PM (X6akg)

384
And this is where they reveal themselves. Being against armed security is absurd. They can't defend this. An armed guard at a school is no different than an armed guard anywhere else.

___ ____ ____ ____ ____ ___
____ __ _


The last thing they want is children gettingfamiliar with seeing guns around.

Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at January 31, 2013 12:36 PM (1Y+hH)

385 Stoaty killed it on that DiFi photoshop.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 12:37 PM (piMMO)

386 The police will not enter the area until it has died down.

Posted by: Invictus
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I suppose the Dallas 1963 assassination provides such a case in point. But not so more recently, where no bodies were recovered from the IRS leased property incident where the Feds and police coincidentally were in drill, and then the horror of the H.C.Library UT student where witness testimonies were no longer broadcast and held as evidence after the official account hit the media and public. How did Austin Police full force storm the library within 2 minutes of an alarm call, long before the campus police arrived? The alarm would have been directed to campus police, one block uphill, then to the City of Austin Police Dept. I'm not arguing that campus police are as "professional" as might be desired, but fully capable of responding, ARRIVING at the sight, even if only to stand around and await backup from the City of Austin. Hm, "police" more broadly being identified as "law enforcement" now is including the Feds AND the US Military against the citizenry as the unconstitutional DHS and Executive Branch coupled with the whoring Judicial and incestuous Legislative have determined to be "best" for authoritarianism, no thank you.

And the circle returns to the Constitution, specifically our Bill of Rights as US citizens. Hell, now citizenry "means" serfdom according to authoritarians.

Posted by: panzernashorn at January 31, 2013 12:37 PM (MhA4j)

387 Andy, you actually seem to think the leftards give a fuck about preventing crime, but nah, I know that you know their gun control shit has nothing to do with crime and everything to do with control. Look at the crime rate in leftard controlled cities. They don't give a shit, as long as it doesn't hurt them politically, and since the idiots who elect them are leftards and don't give a shit either, its all good.

Posted by: maddogg at January 31, 2013 12:37 PM (OlN4e)

388 362...Sorry its all rubbish to me this show.

Pro-government propaganda?
Could be, Anna.

It seems to be laying down the storyline of 'how tyrrany starts'.
So that is the interesting part for me, so far.

Posted by: wheatie at January 31, 2013 12:37 PM (BZMZX)

389 Continuum - Yeah, it's shades of gray which I like.
The future is presented as Orwellian, yet the terrorists are clearly the bad guys (on tv the bad guys kill innocent bystanders while the good guys don't)

Anna Puma - the kid she can talk to is the one inventing the basis of the tech she's using. (ala of Steve Jobs/Bill Gates I guess)
I'm guessing the ironic twist will be that his step-family is the future Liber8 or something.
I find it funny how easily the modern cops get hoodwinked, but I can see how that might spoil the suspension of disbelief for someone.

Posted by: votermom at January 31, 2013 12:37 PM (wOIt+)

390 Has this smelly old thread gone OT yet?

It stinks in here.

Posted by: Squishy the road skunk at January 31, 2013 12:38 PM (KXm42)

391
Posted by: Tami at January 31, 2013 12:36 PM (X6akg)

Does this mean he'll only get 80 votes to confirm?

*rubs hands in glee*

Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at January 31, 2013 12:38 PM (1Y+hH)

392 Do universal background checks work for beings from alternate dimensions?
Maybe CAC can chime in on that one.

BTW, I was talking with my financial dude yesterday for all the scary shit (like how the fed is laundering money etc.) and he mentioned that he had thought the U.S. National Debt Clock was broken. Why?
Because in DECEMBER it was 16,000,XXX,XXX,XXX,XXX. Now it's 16,492,5XX,XXX,XXX.

So, it's gone up almost half a trillion in 2 months?

Holy Fucking Jeebus.

And we don't have a spending problem?

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at January 31, 2013 12:39 PM (Qxdfp)

393
"Some other Moron mentioned the other day that that's why criminals are let out of prison as often as they are, to keep us good folk scared and dependent upon "authority" for "protection." I'm starting to think that's just about right."

Kind of makes you wonder doesn't it. One of the biggest lobbies against the NRA and gun rights is who? Police unions. No no, you can't defend yourself, that's OUR job. A lot of great law enforcement that gets it, especially in the rural areas, but they are outnumbered.

I would also point out the drug war. I've never smoked weed in my whole life, but I find this effort ridiculous. Over half of our entire law enforcement system (police, courts, corrections, everything) is tied up in this. Last year over half of all criminal arrests were for marijuana possession. It's asinine. Those are resources that could be reallocated to REAL criminals.

Posted by: Andrew at January 31, 2013 12:39 PM (HS3dy)

394 Stoaty killed it on that DiFi photoshop.

It's a classic.

Posted by: Squishy the road skunk at January 31, 2013 12:39 PM (KXm42)

395 Has this smelly old thread gone OT yet?

It stinks in here.

****

A slow thread can go OT right away, otherwise, over 100 comments is generally accepted as OT time.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 12:39 PM (piMMO)

396 Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at January 31, 2013 12:36 PM (1Y+hH)

Yesterday, I did some electrical work for my neighbor. She's very liberal, and opposes armed teachers under any circumstances.

I asked her "If you're not comfortable with teachers protecting your children, why would you be comfortable with letting them train and educate them?".

No reply, but it looked like she'd never considered that angle.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at January 31, 2013 12:40 PM (Qxe/p)

397 maddog, see post 352

Posted by: Andrew at January 31, 2013 12:40 PM (HS3dy)

398 The last thing they want is children gettingfamiliar with seeing guns around.

All these stories of little kids in school getting suspended etc just for making guns out of paper or legos or bringing in toy bubble guns shows that there is a real push to create a deep-seated gun aversion & taboo in kids.

Posted by: votermom at January 31, 2013 12:40 PM (wOIt+)

399 The worse part of Continuum is, its about time travel. She might be the reason why the geeky kid becoming such a corporate magnate which might be why that future government came into being. As the geeky kid said, 'you could be going through the motions.' Everything she is doing is because it has already happened. So why even waste my time?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 31, 2013 12:42 PM (S7Hzw)

400 A slow thread can go OT right away, otherwise, over 100 comments is generally accepted as OT time.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 12:39 PM (piMMO)

Section B subparagraph d line four of the AoS operations guide states that in the event of breaking news, boobies or a troll, comments can go O/T at will.

Posted by: Jeff Spicoli at January 31, 2013 12:42 PM (l86i3)

401 Rush walking back the pro immigration/Rubio love fest yesterday.

meh.

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at January 31, 2013 12:42 PM (EZl54)

402
Posted by: jwb7605


Nice...

Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at January 31, 2013 12:43 PM (1Y+hH)

403 375...What caught my attention was how the premise forced you to look at things resulting from "the opposite extreme perspective" 65 years from now.
All things (including Libertarianism) don't end well unrestrained.


Yeah.
And what happened to the 'main guy' that was in the Liber8 group?
The older guy, who was their leader...and was in the group that set off the time-travel-bomb.

He didn't show up with them, in the current time period.
At least, not yet.

I think it's closer to 80 years, isn't it? ...Seventy-something years in the future?

Posted by: wheatie at January 31, 2013 12:43 PM (BZMZX)

404 The worse part of Continuum is, its about time travel.

Embrace the paradox.

Posted by: votermom at January 31, 2013 12:43 PM (wOIt+)

405 Over at Drudge. Dan Marino admits to love child with CBS reporter.

I'm placing my bets on Boomer or Shannon Sharpe.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 12:43 PM (piMMO)

406 Gosh dang sock.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 12:43 PM (l86i3)

407 401 Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at January 31, 2013 12:42 PM (EZl54)

What, is Rush all butt-hurt over Marco Polio's proposals?

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at January 31, 2013 12:44 PM (Qxdfp)

408 True , Jeff, but right now you are posting on MY TIME.

Posted by: Mr. Hand at January 31, 2013 12:44 PM (EZl54)

409
I'm placing my bets on Boomer or Shannon Sharpe.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 12:43 PM (piMMO)


LOL

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 12:44 PM (l86i3)

410 Last year over half of all criminal arrests were for marijuana possession. It's asinine.

Well, stoners are a lot easier to catch. But, as far as their true negative impact on society versus the criminally aggressive, they're pretty far down on the list of danger.

Which circles back around to my premise that politicians don't really want a problem solved. ANY problem.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 31, 2013 12:44 PM (+z4pE)

411 383 I see on twitter that Hagel is crashing and burning at the hearing. Anyone watching it?
Posted by: Tami at January 31, 2013 12:36 PM (X6akg)

__________________

Jeebus I might have to look.

Just read somewhere that McCain couldn't even rein in his ex-little buddy about the surge in Iraq.

Posted by: tasker at January 31, 2013 12:44 PM (r2PLg)

412 True , Jeff, but right now you are posting on MY TIME.
Posted by: Mr. Hand at January 31, 2013 12:44 PM (EZl54)

Well played.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 31, 2013 12:44 PM (l86i3)

413 And we don't have a spending problem?

Hasn't been a problem for me!

Posted by: Barky O at January 31, 2013 12:45 PM (FcR7P)

414 All these stories of little kids in school getting suspended etc just for making guns out of paper or legos or bringing in toy bubble guns shows that there is a real push to create a deep-seated gun aversion taboo in kids.Posted by: votermom at January 31, 2013 12:40 PM (wOIt+) ___ ____ ____ ____ ___ ___ Just think, if kids had people with guns around protecting students, pretty soon the students would think of guns for protection as normaland good.__Can't have that.

Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at January 31, 2013 12:45 PM (1Y+hH)

415 There's a reason the police have special stuff in the trunks of the squad cars designed to soak up your blood.

Posted by: Roland THTG at January 31, 2013 12:45 PM (QM5S2)

416 2077 to 2012, so 65 years

Posted by: votermom at January 31, 2013 12:45 PM (wOIt+)

417 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurie_Dann

Not sure if this would be considered a 'mass killing' or not, but just goes to show you that the DHS is made up of a bunch of morons!

Posted by: ButtNutt at January 31, 2013 12:46 PM (FYvb/)

418 The police are there to draw the little chalk lines around your body and fill out the paperwork. Just ask one. It is your job to protect yourself. If it was otherwise you could sue them for failing to protect you, which you can't.

Posted by: navybrat at January 31, 2013 12:46 PM (UdhwR)

419 All these stories of little kids in school getting suspended etc just for making guns out of paper or legos or bringing in toy bubble guns shows that there is a real push to create a deep-seated gun aversion & taboo in kids.
Posted by: votermom at January 31, 2013 12:40 PM (wOIt+)



Yup. I've listened to ever so incredibly earnest discussions about how having a gun in the home should be cause enough for CYS to conduct an investigation even without any other signs of abuse. Because, obviously, having a gun means that the parent is unfit because omg dangerous! I very nearly slapped the hell out of someone the first time I heard such statements.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 31, 2013 12:46 PM (VtjlW)

420 Is Hagel still on? CSpan said it would resume at 1240.

Posted by: RWC at January 31, 2013 12:46 PM (fWAjv)

421 True , Jeff, but right now you are posting on MY TIME.


****

And thanks for the free pizza

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 12:46 PM (piMMO)

422 he mentioned that he had thought the U.S. National Debt Clock was broken.
So, it's gone up almost half a trillion in 2 months?

I'll say it's broke. Only a half tril?
Feels like 2 or 3 trillion at least!

Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2013 12:47 PM (GFM2b)

423 And this is where they reveal themselves. Being
against armed security is absurd. They can't defend this. An armed guard
at a school is no different than an armed guard anywhere else.

Posted by: Andrew at January 31, 2013 12:33 PM (HS3dy)

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Well..... under NO CIRCUMSTANCES will a firearm be allowed to be perceived as a positive thing to children.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 31, 2013 12:47 PM (nELVU)

424 420 Is Hagel still on? CSpan said it would resume at 1240.
Posted by: RWC at January 31, 2013 12:46 PM (fWAjv)

_______________

I just found it on C-Span 1.

Kelly Ayotte has him on the grill currently.

Posted by: tasker at January 31, 2013 12:47 PM (r2PLg)

425
Last year over half of all criminal arrests were for marijuana possession. It's asinine.




Colorado cops are going to have a lot of extra time for crime fighting on their hands....

Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at January 31, 2013 12:47 PM (1Y+hH)

426 Is Hagel still on? CSpan said it would resume at 1240.

***

they went dark a few minutes ago.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 12:47 PM (piMMO)

427 @ 407 clutch

He had Rubio on as a rare guest yesterday timed with Rubio's pro-amnesty stance statements.

Rush is insisting he has not changed his view on assimilation as a requirement for amnesty.

She-yeah. That'll happen.

Posted by: Mr. Hand at January 31, 2013 12:48 PM (EZl54)

428 Actually, they are back up again now.

Ayotte questioning now.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 12:48 PM (piMMO)

429 All hagel has to do is hold the dems and his nomination gets voted out of committee to the senate floor. Will one dem have any balls or integrity? None have up to now

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 31, 2013 12:49 PM (9Bj8R)

430 15
"Hey crazy gunman!!! Stay still so I cause my assault scissors on you!!!"

Yeah as if that will ever happen.


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 31, 2013 10:51 AM (S7Hzw)

There will have to be sacrifices, you will need a volunteer to "occupy" the gunman's attention long enough to stab him with the scissors. Perhaps drawing lots will be the best way to figure out who'll be the "occupier". Oh and no guarantee that you both want be shot dead, of course. But, if only one child is saved, it will all be worth it.
I don't have to worry, seeing as I have all the protection I need. 'Cuz, I am the President after all.

Posted by: barack obama as Augustus at January 31, 2013 12:50 PM (4eNxd)

431

Time to go tackle the snow removal here at Meremortal Manor. Got whacked last night, and it drifted. The back will be tested today.

Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at January 31, 2013 12:50 PM (1Y+hH)

432 Because in DECEMBER it was 16,000,XXX,XXX,XXX,XXX. Now it's 16,492,5XX,XXX,XXX.

So, it's gone up almost half a trillion in 2 months?

Holy Fucking Jeebus.

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We all tend to spend a little more over Christmas. And Kwanza.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 31, 2013 12:50 PM (XUKZU)

433 Damn it missed the beginning of Ayotte's questioning.

What did Hagel try to block--that 99 Senators agreed to..?

Posted by: tasker at January 31, 2013 12:50 PM (r2PLg)

434 un HAND me sock!

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at January 31, 2013 12:50 PM (EZl54)

435 And folks wonder what causes office shootings.

Lack of imagination.

Posted by: HeatherRadish, fashioning a shiv from a spork w/ the breakroom toaster at January 31, 2013 12:51 PM (ZKzrr)

436 397maddog, see post 352Posted by: Andrew at January 31, 2013 12:40 PM (HS3dy) I think we are on the same page

Posted by: maddogg at January 31, 2013 12:51 PM (OlN4e)

437 433 Damn it missed the beginning of Ayotte's questioning.

What did Hagel try to block--that 99 Senators agreed to..?

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A resolution to urge Russia to confront anti-semitism.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 31, 2013 12:52 PM (e0xKF)

438 Last year over half of all criminal arrests were for marijuana possession.

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I find that extremely difficult to believe. It may possibly be that more than half the arrestees are also charged with a MJ violation in addition to their other crimes but even that seems awfully high to me.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 31, 2013 12:52 PM (XUKZU)

439 This comment over at the NYT makes my blood boil

'MaddieChicago
Hey Joseph from Albany - You are WRONG. You don't live here so how could you know. The people in these neighborhoods are the working poor bc stores like Wal-Mart won't pay them enough to pay for living expenses. The "welfare state" is a colossal myth perpetuated by clueless people like you and Mitt Romney (47% comment).'

So, it is Wal-Mart's fault because they don't pay the working poor enough. Same idiot probably bitches when Wal-Mart raises the price of the crap they sell. The lack of understanding basic economic principles has killed this nation.

Posted by: pforeman at January 31, 2013 12:52 PM (VugVU)

440 Which circles back around to my premise that politicians don't really want a problem solved. ANY problem.


Which really IS stupid. Solve ALL of the country's problems and be the Lightbringer for life, solving new ones as they pop up.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2013 12:53 PM (GFM2b)

441 389...I'm guessing the ironic twist will be that his step-family is the future Liber8 or something.

Yep, votermom...it looks like that's where they're going with that.

The kid, becomes this big-government-supporting tech tycoon in the future, providing the technology that the government uses to control the population.
He becomes...what the Liber8 group is fighting against.

Posted by: wheatie at January 31, 2013 12:53 PM (BZMZX)

442 Time to go tackle the snow removal here at Meremortal Manor.

How much fun would it be to walk outside with what looks like an AR-15, attach a shovel blade, and have at it?

Posted by: t-bird at January 31, 2013 12:53 PM (FcR7P)

443 439 This comment over at the NYT makes my blood boil

'MaddieChicago
Hey Joseph from Albany - You are WRONG. You don't live here so how could you know. The people in these neighborhoods are the working poor bc stores like Wal-Mart won't pay them enough to pay for living expenses. The "welfare state" is a colossal myth perpetuated by clueless people like you and Mitt Romney (47% comment).'

So, it is Wal-Mart's fault because they don't pay the working poor enough. Same idiot probably bitches when Wal-Mart raises the price of the crap they sell. The lack of understanding basic economic principles has killed this nation.

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Ask these idiots what a "living wage" is and why shouldn't it be higher like, say, $100 an hour.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 31, 2013 12:53 PM (e0xKF)

444 The people in these neighborhoods are the working poor bc stores like Wal-Mart won't pay them enough to pay for living expenses.

I thought Chicago refused to allow WalMart inside the city limits?

Posted by: HeatherRadish, fashioning a shiv from a spork w/ the breakroom toaster at January 31, 2013 12:54 PM (ZKzrr)

445 One of H. Beam Piper's time travel stories - Time After Time. 1947
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/18831/18831-h/18831-h.htm

He Walked Around the Horses - 1948
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/18807/18807-h/18807-h.htm

Time Crime - 1955
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/18151/18151-h/18151-h.htm

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 31, 2013 12:54 PM (S7Hzw)

446 All these stories of little kids in school getting suspended etc just for making guns out of paper or legos or bringing in toy bubble guns shows that there is a real push to create a deep-seated gun aversion taboo in kids.Posted by: votermom at January 31, 2013 12:40 PM (wOIt+) It is an overt attempt at conditioning their minds. The leftards are thinking of a future they aren't going to have.

Posted by: maddogg at January 31, 2013 12:54 PM (OlN4e)

447 Posted by: tasker at January 31, 2013 12:47 PM (r2PLg)

Thanks.

Posted by: RWC at January 31, 2013 12:54 PM (fWAjv)

448 In the case of Newtown Ct., you'd better hold off the psycho for 20 minutes.

Posted by: The Brave Brave Public Law Enforcement Community at January 31, 2013 12:55 PM (9fcCr)

449 I find that extremely difficult to believe. It may possibly be that more than half the arrestees are also charged with a MJ violation in addition to their other crimes but even that seems awfully high to me.

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I'm with you. Seems high. Very high.

I mean, there are a shitload of crimes that one can be arrested for, including traffic violations. For MJ to be the number one reason for arrest...by a LOT.... seems implausible.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 12:55 PM (piMMO)

450 Is Hagel still on? CSpan said it would resume at 1240.

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they went dark a few minutes ago.

Dark? Or CNN "dark"?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2013 12:56 PM (GFM2b)

451 Are you shitting me?!!! Joe Manchin going on about how Hagel brings a "breath of fresh air" to the proceedings.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 12:56 PM (piMMO)

452 Oh, I'm wrong in 444. WalMart just opened a couple earlier this month.
http://is.gd/F1OO6j

And in two weeks, they've caused all Chicago's poverty/violence problems. Pretty amazing.

Posted by: HeatherRadish, fashioning a shiv from a spork w/ the breakroom toaster at January 31, 2013 12:56 PM (ZKzrr)

453 they went dark a few minutes ago.

Dark? Or CNN "dark"?

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It's back up on Cspan now.

Manchin questioning and SERIOUSLY sucking his dick.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 12:57 PM (piMMO)

454 A resolution to urge Russia to confront anti-semitism.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 31, 2013 12:52 PM (e0xKF)

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Well that too , probably.

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447 Posted by: tasker at January 31, 2013 12:47 PM (r2PLg)

Thanks.
Posted by: RWC at January 31, 2013 12:54 PM (fWAjv)

________________

You're welcome.

New thread.

OMG--what the hell is with Manchin--what a freak.

Awkward!!!!

Posted by: tasker at January 31, 2013 12:57 PM (r2PLg)

455 How much fun would it be to walk outside with what looks like an AR-15, attach a shovel blade, and have at it?Posted by: t-bird at January 31, 2013 12:53 PM (FcR7P)Up here, no one would pay any attention. I can walk through town to the local gun shop with one over my shoulder and no one would blink.___My town has one convenience store/gas station, one bar, one trout stream,two eateries and a gun shop. We are the Goldilocks of small towns.bbl...

Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at January 31, 2013 12:57 PM (1Y+hH)

456 Dark? Or CNN "dark"?


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AHA!

ISWYDT

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 12:57 PM (piMMO)

457 Hagel brings the kind of fresh air that attracts blow flies.

Posted by: maddogg at January 31, 2013 12:58 PM (OlN4e)

458 You're welcome.

New thread.

OMG--what the hell is with Manchin--what a freak.

Awkward!!!!


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One of the most embarrassing cases of ass-kissing I've ever witnessed.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 12:58 PM (piMMO)

459 Manchin questioning and SERIOUSLY sucking his dick.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 12:57 PM (piMMO)

____________

Did you hear that?



Manchin: So lonely--I'm so lonely I wish I could foxhole with your waaaaa

Posted by: tasker at January 31, 2013 12:58 PM (r2PLg)

460 Or would you prefer Flight From Tomorrow by Piper originally published in 1950. About a tyrant on the run who flees into the past to reclaim his rule.

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/18460/18460-h/18460-h.htm

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 31, 2013 12:59 PM (S7Hzw)

461 I think Manchin is there to make Hagel look--smaht!!!

Posted by: tasker at January 31, 2013 12:59 PM (r2PLg)

462 Dark? Or CNN "dark"?

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AHA!

ISWYDT


Note to self: Seriously, don't try to slip anything by NDH.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 31, 2013 01:00 PM (GFM2b)

463
419
All these stories of little kids in school getting suspended etc just
for making guns out of paper or legos or bringing in toy bubble guns
shows that there is a real push to create a deep-seated gun aversion
taboo in kids.

Posted by: votermom at January 31, 2013 12:40 PM (wOIt+)





Yup. I've listened to ever so incredibly earnest discussions about
how having a gun in the home should be cause enough for CYS to conduct
an investigation even without any other signs of abuse. Because,
obviously, having a gun means that the parent is unfit because omg
dangerous! I very nearly slapped the hell out of someone the first
time I heard such statements.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 31, 2013 12:46 PM (VtjlW)
419
All these stories of little kids in school getting suspended etc just
for making guns out of paper or legos or bringing in toy bubble guns
shows that there is a real push to create a deep-seated gun aversion
taboo in kids.


Posted by: votermom at January 31, 2013 12:40 PM (wOIt+)




--------------------

Yup. I've listened to ever so incredibly earnest discussions about
how having a gun in the home should be cause enough for CYS to conduct
an investigation even without any other signs of abuse. Because,
obviously, having a gun means that the parent is unfit because omg
dangerous! I very nearly slapped the hell out of someone the first
time I heard such statements.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 31, 2013 12:46 PM (VtjlW)


Fuck all that noise. My kids shot a bb/pellet gun with me me at Thanksgiving and LOVED it. Now my soon to be 6 yr old is asking for that little pink .22 they sell at Gander Mtn.
I've recently had DCF in my house. Had nothing to do with our fitness as parents. They won't be allowed back in without a warrant. Fuck them.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 31, 2013 01:00 PM (da5Wo)

464 Note to self: Seriously, don't try to slip anything by NDH.

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smartass.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 01:00 PM (piMMO)

465 Re 228

Not necessary to setup an LLC and may actually limit your options in some respects. What you probably want is a NFA trust arrangement. Also allows you currently to buy suppressors, NFA firearms, etc. and for the trust to hold them. Regular firearms not regulated under the National Firearms Act can also belong to the trust. Make sure to get a good local attorney experienced in such things in drawing it up.

FAQ--for informational purposes only
http://www.guntrustlawyer.net/nfa_trust

Posted by: wg at January 31, 2013 01:00 PM (uVc0d)

466 Manchin: So lonely--I'm so lonely I wish I could foxhole with your waaaaa

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I broke into giggles.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 01:01 PM (piMMO)

467 Anna Puma , thanks!


Such good memories of youthful summers and ASTOUNDING stories.

Posted by: T. Hunter - let it burn at January 31, 2013 01:02 PM (EZl54)

468 Not necessary to setup an LLC and may actually limit your options in some respects. What you probably want is a NFA trust arrangement. Also allows you currently to buy suppressors, NFA firearms, etc. and for the trust to hold them. Regular firearms not regulated under the National Firearms Act can also belong to the trust. Make sure to get a good local attorney experienced in such things in drawing it up.

FAQ--for informational purposes only
http://www.guntrustlawyer.net/nfa_trust

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Yes. Which is where the initial conversation started.

I posted the link to David Goldman, Gun Trust Atty, and BB said that he was just a rip-off artist stealing guns from unsuspecting clients.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 01:03 PM (piMMO)

469 Wow. Double posted inside my own comment. Has that even been done before or is that some kind of new Moron record?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 31, 2013 01:03 PM (da5Wo)

470 I posted the link to David Goldman, Gun Trust Atty,
and BB said that he was just a rip-off artist stealing guns from
unsuspecting clients.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 01:03 PM (piMMO)


It's all a lie. Can't be done. I've never done it so it doesn't exist!

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 31, 2013 01:04 PM (da5Wo)

471 Thanks T Hunter. I love most of Piper's works. But he mined the time travel trick so much it was ugh, not another one.

People need to read the old school pulp. A lot of stories had meat and a good message while taking up far fewer pages than the likes of Jordan. Though I will also frankly admit a lot of the stories that got printed by the pulps were horrendous in their prose and story also.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 31, 2013 01:06 PM (S7Hzw)

472 I guess you are a special snowflake Moron there BCochran.

Did you see the Didem link I posted in the Ben thread dump?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 31, 2013 01:07 PM (S7Hzw)

473 It's all a lie. Can't be done. I've never done it so it doesn't exist!

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BINGO!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 01:08 PM (piMMO)

474 I guess, BC, that taken to its logical conclusion, you and I must be making a commission for referring folks there.

My check is late. How about yours?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 31, 2013 01:10 PM (piMMO)

475 360 my 13 yr old found a yo yo in his older brothers room was playing with it this morning before school......i said you know those started out as weapons.....he frowned and said great...they'll ban these too......
Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at January 31, 2013 12:28 PM (GVxQo)
***********
Too bad that you and your 13 yr old areright. I wish you weren't.

Posted by: Mine was blue at January 31, 2013 01:11 PM (ze9yk)

476 Re Treaty power versus Constitution

The Missouri v. Holland is the case where a U.S. Canadian migratory bird (read ducks, geese, etc) used a more expansive reading of the commerce clause to allow federal government to regulate hunting and fishing of species that crossed state lines regularly.

Bond. v. U.S. is a current case before the Sup. Ct. that may overrule or narrow Missouri v. Holland

http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/bond-v-united-states-2/

See volokh.com for an extended talk about how treaties fit with the Constitution.

Given that Heller established an individual right to firearms protected from Congress, current consensus is that a Treaty cannot give a power to Congress that it lacks. Second, any levying of penalties on individual citizens must require House and Senate to pass implementing legislation. Third, Printz establishes that states and local governments may not be ordered to perform enforcement of federal laws.

Where I believe ratification of the Small Arms Treaty is problematic is that it would allow the President more latitude to ban importation or export of firearms, parts kits, ammunition etc. in order to conform to the Treaty.

Posted by: wg at January 31, 2013 01:12 PM (uVc0d)

477 Can't be stated enough, but LEO's primary mission is not to provide personal security for the citizens. They are more often than not investigating a crime that has already been committed.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at January 31, 2013 01:13 PM (9eDbm)

478 Doctors kill 2,450% more Americans than all gun-related deaths combined
http://www.naturalnews.com/038889_doctors_guns_statistics.html


Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at January 31, 2013 01:17 PM (MhA4j)

479 Well I'm not a "good" Lutheran; they told me I'm going to Hell because I didn't get married and have children.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 31, 2013 12:18 PM (ZKzrr)
**********
I'm Lutheran. The ones who told you that aren't. (Rom 7:

Posted by: King Tut tut now at January 31, 2013 01:19 PM (ze9yk)

480 most of the 30,000 gun shot deaths that happen in the USA each year are not in the "mass murder" group. And handguns are the gun of choice murder or suicide.

Posted by: occam at January 31, 2013 01:20 PM (+Jqqc)

481 Re 468 NDH, Sorry, just noted the LLC mention but missed the NFA reference. LLC involve corporate filing fees, etc. that is a PITA depending on which state you are in. NFA trusts can be within a corporation but not necessary.

Posted by: wg at January 31, 2013 01:20 PM (uVc0d)

482 Time to go tackle the snow removal here at
Meremortal Manor. Got whacked last night, and it drifted. The back will
be tested today.

Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at January 31, 2013 12:50 PM (1Y+hH)

I have that job on my plate today, too. But I do have a snowblower, if I can dig it out of the shop.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 31, 2013 01:36 PM (29+x5)

483 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 31, 2013 12:54 PM (S7Hzw)

Clever stories, Anna - at least the first and third; I couldn't get through the second (I don't care for SF). The Bathurst case is an intriguing historical mystery; perhaps I'll do a post about it some morning.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 31, 2013 01:51 PM (zF6Iw)

484 "This is what a mass killer looks like, according to a Department of Homeland Security analysis. He works alone. He uses a semi-automatic handgun. He’s a he. And he probably didn’t serve in the U.S. military."
Yikes! Theydescribednearly everyGS-1811, 1801 and 1810 inthe Department of Homeland Security!!!
For you layreaders, those are the armed criminal investigators,officersand police officers ofDHS's various law enforcement arms.

Posted by: Manolo at January 31, 2013 02:05 PM (ceoOP)

485 @477: That's why they're called "police." They pick up things after the fact.

Posted by: Manolo at January 31, 2013 02:07 PM (ceoOP)

486
To me, a citizen and former military member, who has served all over the globe. The issue about gun ownership transcends the issue of “second amendment” rights, etc…

It to a degree is now a issue of culture, and effect. It is a matter of what we desire and how we perceive the role of government, and the role of the individual; of having laws that address the real problems that we face, or dance around the issue; of the worthiness of freedom with all its warts (to include what some may feel approach ‘anarchy’), vs. the burden of tyranny, both upon the soul of the individual, but his enterprising spirit as well.

Culture:
One thing I have learned, what is valued most by so many other cultures, (regardless what they thought of our policies, presence, etc), - is what they perceive as America’s belief in the individual. One common theme ran among many of our admirers – they loved our ‘cowboy’ movies. They saw in those movies a sense of hope and belief of the individual, of ability to overcome adversity, in many cases in a lawless land.

Somehow over time, individual gun ownership became entwined with our culture, in part by necessity - as our early frontiersmen went West beyond both the grips and scope of any formal government. Guns were used to not only secure food, but fend off adversaries, and in some cases re-establish law from corrupted officials (even as recently as – the “battle of Athens, post WWII). The point is – whether by design or default - guns are now in fact synonymous with our individual freedom.

A change in, a restriction of, our gun ownership is but one shackle on our body of freedom, but a hobbled individual becomes dependent versus independent, a slave, and not a master of his own destiny, and is counter to our basic culture.


Effect
Unfortunately, gun laws, in all their forms have little effect on crime.
And maybe most importantly the gun laws already in effect – target however effectively or ineffectively the most important issues.
In regards to “assault weapons”. Current laws already severely limit and restrict true military style weapons, the most important feature being that they are automatic weapons. What is legally available to the general public, while maybe looking scary, are really cosmetic look-alike weapons that fire only in semi-automatic mode. Just because my Volkswagen remodel looks like a Porsche does not mean it is one, in performance, speed, or anything else.
In regards to ‘back-ground’ checks – they are working! And they are sufficient, in the Sandy Hook massacre, the perpetrator was stopped from buying guns, he had to kill to get the ones he used.

Let us not use the unfortunate events in Connecticut and Colorado as ‘red herrings’ to advance a political and social agenda. [That will have little effect on the issue – gun violence, and impact negatively on our social fabric]. And that is what it is. A political agenda advanced by a few, fueled by fear, a simple move ‘to get rid of guns’ by private individuals – period.

So let’s call it for what it is, and look at what for instance the President’s past position on guns has been:
- Prior to taking office, President Obama sat on the board of the Joyce Foundation, an anti-gun organization that is the largest funding source for radical anti-gun groups in the nation.
- In 1996, Obama supported a ban on the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns.
- In 1999, he proposed a 500 percent excise tax on firearms and ammunition. In 2005, Obama voted against legislation to protect homeowners from prosecution in cases where they used a firearm to halt a home invasion.

The deadly attacks in Connecticut and Colorado have fueled Obama's hatred for guns and gun rights, and he - and many others –motivated by fear and a misguided feeling of ‘the need to act’ are moving rapidly to dramatically restrict our rights to bear arms.

I for one, strongly oppose Obama's undermining our basic and fundamental rights and the thought that the federal government - not the people have the ultimate power.

I am urgingall of usto stand against any and all attempts by this administration to encroach onour freedom.


J L Morgan
City of Valparaiso
jmorgan@valp.org

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