The "Border Control" Con

Instant amnesty in exchange for... eventual border protection, according to a plan cooked up by seven "veteran amnesty supporters" plus Marco Rubio.

Instant amnesty, in exchange for nothing but a promise?

We've never heard this before.

The amnesty is instant and the border controlling will never come.

Liberals are assuring other liberals that the "border control" elements of this plan are in fact a sham to provide some cover to Republicans.

Supposedly a commission will determine if border control has proceeded sufficiently so that the second tranche of the deal can go through (full citizenship), but...

As Sharry [an amnesty advocate who supports the plan] put it, Democrats realize that they can’t “allow the commission to have a real veto” over setting in motion the path to citizenship. He noted that Dems see the commission as “something that gives the Republicans a talking point” to claim they are prioritizing tough enforcement, giving themselves cover to back a process that “won’t stop people from getting citizenship.” However, Sharry added: “The details of this are going to matter hugely, and we’ll have to fight like hell on the individual provisions.”

That said, Sharry concluded: “This is a left of center framework.”

Ross Douthat observed on Twitter that the GOP is rushing heedlessly to increase the vote share of Latinos, without doing anything else to actually attract them as voters.

And, in fact, as a party we can't do anything to attract the majority of them as voters -- they're pro-government, pro-welfare-state, and all the rest.

They're also increasingly pro-choice and liberal on social matters.

So after we extend citizenship and voting rights to 11 million Government Clients, what's Step 2 of our master plan?

Maybe this is our plan for destroying ObamaCare.

Comprehensive immigration reform could make millions of people suddenly eligible for assistance under President Obama’s healthcare law, assuming a final deal paves the way for undocumented immigrants to receive papers.

…”We have to figure out a way in which [undocumented immigrants] incorporate themselves into the larger workforce, and into our society in general, and not be a burden,” said Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-Ill.), a leader in the immigration debate.

“Do we want them to go to the exchanges? Absolutely we do — if and when they don’t have healthcare through their employer,” he said.

Posted by: Ace at 04:50 PM



Comments

1 So after we extend citizenship and voting rights to 11 million Government Clients, what's Step 2 of our master plan?

Not sure ace, but step 3 is "profit"

Posted by: Jollyroger at January 28, 2013 04:52 PM (t06LC)

2 Can we start calling it "border safety"?

Posted by: woods at January 28, 2013 04:52 PM (arbYd)

3 'Border protection to be named later....'


Awww, fuck it.

Posted by: Tami at January 28, 2013 04:53 PM (X6akg)

4 This weekend I used, for the first time in a letter to my Senators, the phrase Are your compatriots out of their freakin' minds?

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 28, 2013 04:53 PM (evdj2)

5 Step 2 ?

Cut a hole in the box .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at January 28, 2013 04:53 PM (BYxr7)

6 1. 11 million new left-leaning Latino voters
2.
3. Electoral victory!

Posted by: Republican Gnomes at January 28, 2013 04:53 PM (2jQGY)

7 This time I'll hold the football steady. Promise.

Posted by: Lucy at January 28, 2013 04:53 PM (QKKT0)

8 Come on now. Marco Rubio is so cute when he wrings his hands and complains about how he wishes he didn't have this problem.

Posted by: George Orwell says it doesn't make a difference at this point at January 28, 2013 04:53 PM (LyF0H)

9 So after we extend citizenship and voting rights to 11 million Government Clients, what's Step 2 of our master plan?


Step 2: permanent Democrat majority.


Let's all get used to saying it.

Posted by: EC at January 28, 2013 04:53 PM (GQ8sn)

10 What difference does it make?! (as long as these illegals vote democrat)

Posted by: locomotivebreath1901 at January 28, 2013 04:53 PM (tUT9B)

11 So after we extend citizenship and voting rights to 11 million Government Clients, what's Step 2 of our master plan?
___
Cleaning off my chin.


Posted by: John Boehner at January 28, 2013 04:53 PM (AUeaU)

12 So after we extend citizenship and voting rights to 11 million Government Clients, what's Step 2 of our master plan?

Beg them to permit us to live. Because they're so very, very accommodating.

Posted by: joncelli at January 28, 2013 04:53 PM (RD7QR)

13 Yes, jollyroger, this plan does indeed involve underpants.

Posted by: George Orwell says it doesn't make a difference at this point at January 28, 2013 04:53 PM (LyF0H)

14 The Gang of Shit strikes again after meeting in secret to revive the old amnesty plan that conservatives killed years ago.


What I can not possibly understand is why the RINOs help the Democrats get 30M new voters. Do they think that these Mexicans are not going to vote for the Democrats just like the last batch?


They have to be stupid, but they are the Party of stupid.

And why is it the same group of asshole RINOs?

Posted by: Vic at January 28, 2013 04:54 PM (53z96)

15
Anyone remember when teh Dims wanted to close the Mehican border because they thought all those newly-minted Americanos would vote for Pubbies? Good times.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 28, 2013 04:54 PM (+z4pE)

16 Asks your conservative reps which party they are planning to join when the Republicans implode.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 28, 2013 04:54 PM (evdj2)

17 Game over man, game over.

Let's start talking carving out a new country, and building an actual border fence this time.

Posted by: Gaff at January 28, 2013 04:54 PM (uh3SH)

18 Did you want to know how to insure Democrats have a permanent majority? Now you know.

Posted by: George Orwell says it doesn't make a difference at this point at January 28, 2013 04:55 PM (LyF0H)

19 Step 3

Put your junk in the box .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at January 28, 2013 04:55 PM (BYxr7)

20 11 million new left-leaning Latino voters
2.
3. Electoral victory!


Posted by: Republican Gnomes at January 28, 2013 04:53 PM (2jQGY)

The numbers I saw last week were 30 million.

Posted by: Vic at January 28, 2013 04:55 PM (53z96)

21 Coincidence, nothing more.

Posted by: nip at January 28, 2013 04:55 PM (11Tdq)

22 This afternoon I'm going to hang out in front of Home Depot and let the day laborers there know that I'm a Republican. I want to feel the love.

"What, you guys haven't heard of Marco Rubio?"

Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at January 28, 2013 04:55 PM (QKKT0)

23
And why is it the same group of asshole RINOs?
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Because if you don't vote for the "most conservative electable candidate" even if he is in fact a liberal you are worse then Hitler?

Posted by: 18-1 at January 28, 2013 04:55 PM (AUeaU)

24 Perhaps this brings on the tipping point of the takers versus everyone else.

Wait until the "undocumented" have full access to Uncle Sam's teet. Do you think they will be in the fields for nothing.

These people are such fucking idiots it's unbelievable.

This could seriously put AZ and TX in play for the dems and lock up NV as well.

Posted by: Prescient11 at January 28, 2013 04:56 PM (tVTLU)

25 How much chance of the deal passing the House?

Posted by: joncelli at January 28, 2013 04:56 PM (RD7QR)

26 "The amnesty is instant and the border controlling will never come."

Bingo, Ace.
Because they need the border to stay porous...

They need there to be a 'crisis' in gun smuggling, after they ban assault weapons....that way they will have a good excuse to push for a National Registry.

Posted by: wheatie at January 28, 2013 04:56 PM (BZMZX)

27 Step 2: race war ?

Posted by: MrShad at January 28, 2013 04:56 PM (Xqfwb)

28 This time I'm going to try extra hard not to fuck up the negotiations. Extra hard.

Posted by: John Boehner (R) at January 28, 2013 04:56 PM (QKKT0)

29 After speaking with Rubio today, Ed Morrissey believes this is a reasonable and necessary plan, that will take immigration off the table as an issue.

*collapses in peals of laughter*

Posted by: George Orwell says it doesn't make a difference at this point at January 28, 2013 04:56 PM (LyF0H)

30 As someone said on a previous thread, it's snowballing they are going for it all.

We have told them how many times now we don't want this and still they persist.


I'm telling you bad things are going to start happening.

Terrible, awful potentially catastrophic things.


Things are about to become uncivil.

Posted by: General Woundwort at January 28, 2013 04:56 PM (RrD4h)

31 >>>And why is it the same group of asshole RINOs
Certain businesses really want cheap immigration labor. Its why the WSJ is always on board with these plans. The same asshole RINOs like their sweet lobbyist cash, year after year.

Posted by: woods at January 28, 2013 04:57 PM (arbYd)

32 Step 2 appears to be "the GOP gets in the barrel".

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 28, 2013 04:57 PM (e0xKF)

33
How much chance of the deal passing the House?


Posted by: joncelli at January 28, 2013 04:56 PM (RD7QR)

Boner has already said it will pass the House. He intends to push it.

Posted by: Vic at January 28, 2013 04:57 PM (53z96)

34
Seems like the Dems are only interested in the causes they perceive as most harmful to the opposition party...

Like all things Obama touches, this too will turn into a festering pile of shit.

Posted by: garrett at January 28, 2013 04:57 PM (5HaMO)

35 How much chance of the deal passing the House?
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Dunno, will Obama say mean things about me if it doesn't?

Posted by: John Boehner at January 28, 2013 04:57 PM (AUeaU)

36 Dammit, I am not "woods". Stupid iPad autocorrect.

Posted by: wooga at January 28, 2013 04:57 PM (arbYd)

37
Posted by: Vic at January 28, 2013 04:55 PM (53z96


I think it's between 20 and 30 million. Intolerable any way u slice it.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 28, 2013 04:57 PM (m0v2L)

38 There is still a long way to go, but if I were a betting man, I'd say we're going to get rick rolled again.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 28, 2013 04:57 PM (9Bj8R)

39 We include a clause where we bring in 1 Pole for every Mexican. I'll even be generous and take in a few Czech ladies because, charity. Not poles, close enough. I get to pick them.

Posted by: Jollyroger at January 28, 2013 04:58 PM (t06LC)

40 27
Step 2: race war ?


Posted by: MrShad at January 28, 2013 04:56 PM (Xqfwb)

See LA Times story about latino gangs doing ethnic cleansing of Blacks in Compton. Coming soon to a hood near you.

Posted by: joncelli at January 28, 2013 04:58 PM (RD7QR)

41 Step 2 is anal.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 28, 2013 04:58 PM (w+Dvf)

42 See LA Times story about latino gangs doing ethnic cleansing of Blacks in Compton. Coming soon to a hood near you.

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I figure that MS-13 and the Mexican gangs who deal with the Zetas are probably better armed than the Bloods and Crips.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 28, 2013 04:58 PM (e0xKF)

43 I'll go out on a shaky, distant limb here and note that this probably prevents another Republican presidency. Ever.

Posted by: George Orwell says it doesn't make a difference at this point at January 28, 2013 04:58 PM (LyF0H)

44 Especially when Hispanic voters don't particularly care about the issue compared to others, for GOP to concede core principles on this fucking issue would be beyond ridiculous.

Posted by: Prescient11 at January 28, 2013 04:58 PM (tVTLU)

45 at this point why should we assume we actually have a party that wants to repair the fiscal damage ? will they actually add the unemployed illegals to the unemployment rolls , a more complete model?

why should i assume we have any serious representation?

Posted by: ette at January 28, 2013 04:58 PM (nqBYe)

46 Democrats Beg Obama Not To Unveil Immigration Bill…



Obama being Obama can’t help himself, today he took explicit credit for the Senate’s bipartisan amnesty agreement.

Weasel Zippers:

Our best hope? That obama himself get's involved in this and blows it up. Hey I can dream

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 28, 2013 04:59 PM (9Bj8R)

47 Just let me put this in your mouth and we can work on an agreement about what happens later.

Posted by: Roland THTG at January 28, 2013 04:59 PM (QM5S2)

48 We include a clause where we bring in 1 Pole for every Mexican. I'll
even be generous and take in a few Czech ladies because, charity. Not
poles, close enough. I get to pick them.


Poles on poles?

Posted by: EC at January 28, 2013 04:59 PM (GQ8sn)

49 My math may be a bit fuzzy, but I recall only a few GOPers willing to fight Bush's shamnesty and that few excluded a bunch of non-RINOs.

Posted by: SFGoth at January 28, 2013 04:59 PM (dZ756)

50 After speaking with Rubio today, Ed Morrissey believes this is a
reasonable and necessary plan, that will take immigration off the table
as an issue.
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Take immigration off the table, add 30M Democrat voters.

BRILLIANT!

I'm sticking to my timeline two threads down.

Hint it ends very, very badly in about 2016.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 28, 2013 04:59 PM (AUeaU)

51 "See LA Times story about latino gangs doing ethnic cleansing of Blacks in Compton. Coming soon to a hood near you."

Yeah, I read about that, that is what brought it to mind.

Posted by: MrShad at January 28, 2013 04:59 PM (Xqfwb)

52 Step 2 is anal.

So it's in Boehner's bailiwick, then.

Posted by: George Orwell says it doesn't make a difference at this point at January 28, 2013 04:59 PM (LyF0H)

53 I've got a bad feeling about this.

Posted by: Han Solo at January 28, 2013 04:59 PM (ccXZP)

54 "House GOP cautious on Senate's bipartisan immigration blueprint"- http://bit.ly/VjeK8v

Posted by: 80sBaby at January 28, 2013 04:59 PM (YjDyJ)

55 The old " Maybe they will like us NOW" ploy ...works everytime.

And by everytime I mean "NEVER".


Maybe this is our plan for destroying ObamaCare.
the GOP's already laughable credibility as a party for the ages.


FTFY

Posted by: T.Hunter - let it burn at January 28, 2013 05:00 PM (EZl54)

56 I'm sticking to my timeline two threads down.

Hint it ends very, very badly in about 2016.

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Move things up about 3 years.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 28, 2013 05:00 PM (e0xKF)

Posted by: Roland THTG at January 28, 2013 05:00 PM (QM5S2)

58 How about a compromise: We give them all of the free shit they want, including healthcare, and they stay in fucking Mexico.

Posted by: Fritz Boehner, master negotiator at January 28, 2013 05:00 PM (WM+rJ)

59 Good grief, the GOP fall for this shit a lot. Hey GOPshits, don;t answer when you hear "Candygram," please.

Posted by: logprof at January 28, 2013 05:00 PM (jVAw4)

60 will they actually add the unemployed illegals to the unemployment rolls , a more complete model?why should i assume we have any serious representation?
Posted by: ette at January 28, 2013 04:58 PM (nqBYe)


The republicans have unofficially adopted LiB? Who knew?

Posted by: Jollyroger at January 28, 2013 05:01 PM (t06LC)

61
I'll go out on a shaky, distant limb here and note that this probably prevents another Republican presidency. Ever.

Formerly Great Britain did it.

This is a Soros-funded operation to fill us with non-un-Americans who are kept ignorant and brainwashed.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 28, 2013 05:01 PM (+z4pE)

62 We include a clause where we bring in 1 Pole for every Mexican. I'll

even be generous and take in a few Czech ladies because, charity. Not

poles, close enough. I get to pick them.

If any of the Czech women look like Paulina Porizkova I'll volunteer to carry their luggage.

Posted by: joncelli at January 28, 2013 05:01 PM (RD7QR)

63 48 We include a clause where we bring in 1 Pole for every Mexican. I'll even be generous and take in a few Czech ladies because, charity. Not poles, close enough. I get to pick them.Poles on poles?
Posted by: EC at January 28, 2013 04:59 PM (GQ8sn)

Thats the best kind. And yes, my step 2 would be anal.

Posted by: Jollyroger at January 28, 2013 05:02 PM (t06LC)

64 I've said before Boehner actually wants to be the minority leader so he is under no pressure to actually govern.

Well, this is his silver bullet to minority leader status isn't it?

Forget the presidency, this will give the Democrats the House in 2014.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 28, 2013 05:02 PM (AUeaU)

65 The last time they did this shit it took a groundswell of conservative activism calling them and writing letters. So this time they met in secret.


And that asshole Lindsay Graham is up for reelection here in 2014. I hope we can primary the worthless cockofsucker.

Posted by: Vic at January 28, 2013 05:02 PM (53z96)

66 There's always room for another 30 million on the Big Sled.

Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at January 28, 2013 05:02 PM (QKKT0)

67 I’ll accept “green carding” illegal aliens as the first step on the path to citizenship for certain things in trade. Specifically:

1) English is made the official language of the US.
2) Federal agencies shall conduct all business in English.
3) All federal government forms, websites and broadcast media shall be distributed exclusively in English.
4) Federal laws and regulations requiring multilingual consumer product labeling shall be repealed.
5) Illegal aliens and green card holders applying for, or waiting to be naturalized, shall learn to read, write and speak English previous to being granted citizenship.
5) SSI retirement age increased to 75.

Posted by: 13times at January 28, 2013 05:02 PM (h6XiD)

68 Dems need amnesty to replace the millions of aborted Dem voters. It's the only way to replenish the pool.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 28, 2013 05:02 PM (xjpRj)

69 Not even Lucy Van Pelt with the football seems enough of a metaphor; it's more like the GOP are naive tourists from South Dakota walking around Chicago and the Dems are inviting them to play Three Card Monte.

Posted by: logprof at January 28, 2013 05:02 PM (jVAw4)

70 Ed Morrissey has the IQ of a doughnut. Nothing but a hole in the middle there

Posted by: eggs benedict at January 28, 2013 05:02 PM (FpBe1)

71 Is this "Rubio" Ace mentions the Great Conservative Hope some commenters have been pimping here for ages? The "Rubio in '16 !!eleventy!!!" guy who will make conservatism palatable to a new generation of hitherto disaffected voters?

Doesn't surprise me that a eunuch like Poppin' Fresh Morrissey thinks he's the cat's meow. We'll be singin' that "fairness" song all the way to the bitter, broke, vicious end. Which is not lookin' too far off right now.

Posted by: MrScribbler at January 28, 2013 05:03 PM (yKUrR)

72 Good grief, the GOP fall for this shit a lot. Hey GOPshits, don;t answer when you hear "Candygram," please.
___
Hey John, see this popcorn in my lap? Why don't you reach in a grab some? You'll really like it!

Posted by: Barack Obama at January 28, 2013 05:03 PM (AUeaU)

73
After speaking with Rubio today, Ed Morrissey believes this is a reasonable and necessary plan, that will take immigration off the table as an issue.

Posted by: George Orwell




Want to get away from it all? Why not join Duane “Generalissimo” Patterson and me on a seven-day cruise this summer to Alaska? Starting July 27th, we’ll take the inside passage on Holland America’s MS Zuiderdam. Plus, Duane and I will do our TEMS show live on the ship, discussing politics and culture while traveling in the lap of luxury. Climb aboard!

Ed Morrissey - Conservative Blogger of the Year

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 28, 2013 05:03 PM (kdS6q)

74
We could win the Latino vote along with the black vote if we would grow a pair of balls and use "racist" advertising in the midterms.

Here's how it should go:


"This is LaShawn. He's 22 years old and he graduated from Martin Luther King High School in Washington D.C. Only 1 in five black students graduate in D.C."

(Shows LaShawn trying to read a "Dick and Jane" book and fucking it up royally.)

Democrats protecting the teacher's union did this to LaShawn. Now the democrats want to do thisto Juan too.

Vote Republican - for your children's future.

Posted by: jwest at January 28, 2013 05:03 PM (ZDsRL)

75
I've been hearing that we're racist for questioning this plan, because...racist.

Posted by: Ben at January 28, 2013 05:03 PM (C2Y4l)

76 Oh and have I said it recently; fk Rubio.

Posted by: Vic at January 28, 2013 05:03 PM (53z96)

77 Let it burn. We're over. I am growing to hate Republicans more than Democrats. I EXPECT the libs to do what they are doing. I am tired of Republicans pretending to be doing something else while they let Obama and his lib buddies fuck them (and us) right up the ass.

Posted by: Ken Royall at January 28, 2013 05:04 PM (x0g8a)

78 Absolutely we do, if and when they don't have healthcare through their employer, he said.

When your employer is the US Government Welfare System, you will ALWAYS have healthcare.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 28, 2013 05:04 PM (GFM2b)

79 How about this. If we go through with this, we make every right leaning pundit make a promise. When Texas goes blue in 10 years as a result, they promise to shut the fuck up about politics for the rest of their lives.

Posted by: Ben at January 28, 2013 05:04 PM (C2Y4l)

80 Racists!

Posted by: Juan McCain - MAVERDICK! at January 28, 2013 05:04 PM (EZl54)

81 Let it burn (TM)

Posted by: wizardpc at January 28, 2013 05:04 PM (5bCrA)

82 I only got 30% of the Latino vote? wtf

Posted by: Marco Rubio concession speech at January 28, 2013 05:04 PM (60GaT)

83 Fuuuuuuuuuck.

Sure, we lose money on every sale -- but make it up on volume!

Viva La Raza!

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 05:04 PM (ZPrif)

84 I just want to say that, as a legal immigrant who went by the book every step of the way and who has a relative that has been waiting in line for 3 or 4 years to get his green card, and whose entire family has always obeyed all immigration laws, this whole thing just enrages me. So I have stayed away from these threads. I don't even read the posts.

Why do Democrats (and Repubs for that matter) hate black people? We Africans can't sneak across the Atlantic to get here.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at January 28, 2013 05:05 PM (6zgse)

85 So, the answer to your Kobayashi Maru--unfortunately, rebellion, as in 1775-76, no independence, increased federalism after that. The Anerican Socii War.

Maybe other solutions (besides "they win"), but no one to me has the stature to pull it off. Think of that next time you demand talent come in convenient ready-to-mix packages.

Those are your choices unless this miserable national GOP stands firm. They win, or rebellion.

Posted by: H. at January 28, 2013 05:05 PM (D5Jpp)

86
If they would have closed the borders like we asked in 2004, 2006, and 2007; then many of us would be amenable to an amnesty program.

Until the borders are closed, NO DEALS!

Posted by: rd at January 28, 2013 05:05 PM (zLp5I)

87 Let it burn. We're over. I am growing to hate Republicans more than
Democrats. I EXPECT the libs to do what they are doing. I am tired of
Republicans pretending to be doing something else while they let Obama
and his lib buddies fuck them (and us) right up the ass.



You may be pissed, but don't stop writing the checks.

Posted by: John Boehner (R) at January 28, 2013 05:05 PM (QKKT0)

88 @74

Nope, the democrats would see our ad and counter with "here is free shit. You're welcome. Paid for by the democratic party and 1%s"

Posted by: Jollyroger at January 28, 2013 05:05 PM (t06LC)

89 You through with Rubio yet Ace? I sure am. Didn't think it was wise for him to start pushing this a year ago while we were trying to win the WH, this shit is the final straw for me.

Posted by: mugiwara at January 28, 2013 05:05 PM (hpYnL)

90 Dems,well when one must worry about every election going your way wasting all that time actually fighting for the position .....

I hope that reps realize they have voted themselves out of political power permanently.

Posted by: ette at January 28, 2013 05:05 PM (nqBYe)

91 It's not even a question of "Letting it Burn" it's going to become a conflagration that will makes that Brazilian nightclub seem like a marshmallow roast.

I hope you're all prepared.

Posted by: BuckIV at January 28, 2013 05:05 PM (gedHR)

92 Hey a Commission to verify the border is secure? That's a great idea. Hey let's get the guys who made up that sequestration Committee. The did a hell'va job on that one!

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 28, 2013 05:05 PM (9Bj8R)

93 I've been hearing that we're racist for questioning this plan, because...racist.

Water. Duck's back.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 28, 2013 05:06 PM (GFM2b)

94 Vote for us, racists.

Posted by: McCain - Rubio 2016 at January 28, 2013 05:06 PM (EZl54)

95 goddammit this border control is not hard

we have military bases in the border states- we got Army at Ft Bliss, we got Marines at Twenty-Nine Palms- let's put some mechanized infantry units 'on maneuvers' along the Mexican border and STOP THIS SHIT

ROE is if you approach the border, we'll fire a warning volley- if you keep coming, we shoot- if you point a weapon at US forces, we shoot

AND THESE FUCKING CHICKENSHIT LAMEASS Republicans better sack up, because ANY bill they sign will just be opening the gates to millions of Democrat votes - and if they don't get that, they all deserve to drown in lakes of blood

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 28, 2013 05:06 PM (8sCoq)

96 Rubio must have discovered that when he starts talking about amnesty, his trash goes unmolested.

Posted by: logprof at January 28, 2013 05:06 PM (jVAw4)

97 The border is not the issue...over 70% of illegals enter the USA LEGALLY (via car or plane)...and then they overstay their visas. We need to dry up the employment options of illegals. For example, fine anyone employing an illegal $10,000. I can assure you everyone will start doing their due diligence on hiring.

Posted by: GadsdenBC at January 28, 2013 05:07 PM (AT1Ju)

98 Just wait till the chain migration from Africa kicks in good and hard.

Lots of refugees in Mali I hear.

It would be unChristian, unAmerican, and racist not to import millions of illiterate black Muslim socialists with 3rd grade educations.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 05:07 PM (ZPrif)

99 Can we feed McCain to the catfish yet?

Posted by: TexasJew at January 28, 2013 05:07 PM (lD8ju)

100 I could stop illegal immigration almost overnight. Step 1: Roll back the great society; Step 2: profit.

Posted by: Jollyroger at January 28, 2013 05:07 PM (t06LC)

101 91 It's not even a question of "Letting it Burn" it's going to become a conflagration that will makes that Brazilian nightclub seem like a marshmallow roast.

I hope you're all prepared.

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Capitol Hill may end up looking like The Station in Rhode Island by the time things are done.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 28, 2013 05:07 PM (e0xKF)

102



MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell: Obama Never Said He Went Skeet Shooting – New Republic Editor Who Conducted Interview: Actually, Yes He Did…

Well in her defense she is even more senile than she is ugly

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 28, 2013 05:07 PM (9Bj8R)

103 fuck fuck fuckity fuck we're going to have to gin up a big pushback by phone email just like the last two times..God I'm getting too old and tired for all this...

Posted by: jeanne at January 28, 2013 05:07 PM (GdalM)

104 And I would like to let you know that I am forming a commission to study who violated you anally.

Your anal integrity is very important to me, and I want you to know we have our top men looking into this.

Oh, and you appear to have dropped the soap again. Why don't you go ahead an pick it up.

Posted by: Barack Obama to the taxpayers at January 28, 2013 05:08 PM (AUeaU)

105 Barring a complete economic collapse (stay tuned) I don't see how even a RINO ever gets elected POTUS again.

Posted by: Not and Artist at January 28, 2013 05:08 PM (uRumV)

106 You know, I personally wasn't around then, but it wouldn't surprise me one but if this is precisely what it felt like in, say, 1859 among certain constituencies.

I just don't see any way that this doesn't all end in 1) full-on collapse and 2) blood.

Posted by: DocJ at January 28, 2013 05:08 PM (A5uiv)

107 This is the immigration issue's raise taxes now in exchange for budget cuts later. And we all know how well that worked out.

I imagine this will be Boehner's centerpiece for his keep control of the house election in 2014.

P.S. What say we change the term "fetal position" to "Boehner position"? I'm not sure most people know what a fetal position is.

Posted by: Hillary! at January 28, 2013 05:08 PM (XUKZU)

108 Alas.

If Marco Rubio is championing a complete clusterfuck of an immigration bill, I will move on to another candidate I think is viable.

Reforms that make sense. Absolutely. Getting ass fucked on an issue that most hispanics don't care about. No thanks.

But TOM COTTON is for sure the real deal...

Posted by: Prescient11 at January 28, 2013 05:08 PM (tVTLU)

109 I give credit to shunned, ex-NRO writer John Derbyshire. A couple of months before the election on his podcast, he played audio of Marco Rubio addressing a group about his politics and outlook. But what Rubio did set off Derbyshire's bullshit detector, and he was right in retrospect: Rubio gave his remarks... first in English, then in Spanish.

Posted by: George Orwell says it doesn't make a difference at this point at January 28, 2013 05:08 PM (LyF0H)

110 76 Oh and have I said it recently; fk Rubio.

He is screwing the pooch with this push for 'Immigration Reform'.

He obviously cares more about illegals...than he does for all those people whose ancestors built this country.

Posted by: wheatie at January 28, 2013 05:08 PM (BZMZX)

111 How much chance of the deal passing the House?


Posted by: joncelli at January 28, 2013 04:56 PM (RD7QR)
If Boner doesn't violate Hastert Rule, zero.If he does, 90%.That being the case, I don't know why no journo has asked him whether he will rule out violating the rule to pass an immigration bill.

Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at January 28, 2013 05:08 PM (reJvr)

112 goddammit this border control is not hard

we have military bases in the border states- we got Army at Ft Bliss, we got Marines at Twenty-Nine Palms- let's put some mechanized infantry units 'on maneuvers' along the Mexican border and STOP THIS SHIT


Well yeah now we do, but wait till sequestration hits and we start gutting the Military?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 28, 2013 05:09 PM (9Bj8R)

113 Ed Morrissey is so dumb he sits on the TV and watches the couch

Posted by: eggs benedict at January 28, 2013 05:09 PM (FpBe1)

114 logprof,

Sven is thinking of moving to Manitoba

You're our local expert on that Province..

Posted by: TexasJew at January 28, 2013 05:09 PM (lD8ju)

115 64 Forget the presidency, this will give the Democrats the House in 2014.

See, I don't think the Dems want the house. With the Repubs in charge of at least one branch, they can get all the blame for all the Dems' follies. If the Dems had all three branches, the only person they could blame would be Bush. (Which they'd do, but I think that's wearing pretty thin even among the idiots who vote Dem.)

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 28, 2013 05:09 PM (xjpRj)

116 It is going to have to be secession. I don't see any other way out of this.
If that doesn't work: revolution.
There just aren't a lot of other choices left.

Posted by: MrShad at January 28, 2013 05:09 PM (Xqfwb)

117 I could stop illegal immigration almost overnight. Step 1: Roll back the great society; Step 2: profit.
***
Yep.

No freebies and the people you get will be coming to try and build something...

Posted by: 18-1 at January 28, 2013 05:09 PM (AUeaU)

118 My azz is getting real sore.

Posted by: eureka! at January 28, 2013 05:09 PM (HPRku)

119 Posted by: Prescient11 at January 28, 2013 05:08 PM (tVTLU)

We tried to warn you about Rubio, man.

Posted by: wheatie at January 28, 2013 05:09 PM (BZMZX)

120 eggs,

I think he also fucks the couch

Fat doughy boys need love too!

Posted by: TexasJew at January 28, 2013 05:10 PM (lD8ju)

121

Actually amnesty would help push along universal health care.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 28, 2013 05:10 PM (NLH1M)

122 The best way to close the border is to cut off ALL types of welfare for illegals, end the anchor baby crap, and jail anyone who knowing hires and illegal.


They will go home on their own.

Posted by: Vic at January 28, 2013 05:10 PM (53z96)

123 It's a con, it is so transparent a con I put it on the same level as the mystique of a "finisher" in pro wrestling....

they think we conservatives are fucking inbred marks and they are the carnies....

have fun with whatever comes next GOP I get the feeling it will be bad for you.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 28, 2013 05:10 PM (LRFds)

124 You know why?

Because here is the real deal: The GOP elite have a promise from Dem elite that the Dems will not run a Hispanic in 2014.

(Yes, yes. I know, it's as real as their promise for border control.)

But, there you have it. They've got Rubio (maybe Martinez) lined up for VP and they really, really (wish) believe the Hispanics will vote R just because of skin.

Never mind the long, long history of Democrat voters always, always rejecting the ethnic Republican who looks like them in favor of the lily white Democrat man.

So, not only are they selling out for non-binding promise, it's a bitterly hollow promise built on a blindly obvious false assumption.

That's the long game (scam) that is going on here.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 28, 2013 05:10 PM (imtbm)

125 Nothing will burn. Smolder, yes.

Our culture and economy will choke to death on the fumes of multi-ethnic brotherhood long before America sinks into the fiery abyss.

Enjoy.

Posted by: 13times at January 28, 2013 05:10 PM (h6XiD)

126 Your other answer might be the states manning up, finally, and doing some functional nullification for a while.

But my guess is everbody will just bitch instead. They win. Long term, trust me. They win. Maybe they lose in another twenty years, but your old America is dead. Thanks, Newt.

Posted by: H. at January 28, 2013 05:11 PM (D5Jpp)

127 LA LA LA LA LA


*fingers in ears*

Posted by: U.S. Government at January 28, 2013 05:11 PM (EZl54)

128 Don't worry Boner rarely violates the Hastert Rule (majority of the majority).

He only does it on the issues we care the most about.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 05:11 PM (ZPrif)

129 89 You through with Rubio yet

I know I am. I'm glad I moved to Florida. I'm *really* looking forward to voting for whoever he faces in his next primary.

Posted by: akula51 at January 28, 2013 05:11 PM (YesJa)

130 A long, long time ago
I can still remember how those Rethugs used to make me smile
And, I knew if they had a chance that they could make those people dance, and...
Maybe they'd be happy for a while
But, February made me shiver as every paper was delivered
Bad news on the doorstep - I couldn't take one more step
I can't remember if I cried when I read about this Hispandering bribe
Something touched me deep inside the day the Rethugs died.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 28, 2013 05:11 PM (XUKZU)

131 The Pentagon says a U.S. Air Force F-16 fighter jet has disappeared over the Adriatic Sea, off the coast of Italy, during a training mission.
A search was launched after the Air Force lost all contact with the plane Monday, but there is no immediate word from the Pentagon on whether the plane crashed.
Initial word was that the F-16 was not carrying weapons.


Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 28, 2013 05:11 PM (9Bj8R)

132 >>>
Hey a Commission to verify the border is secure? That's a great idea.
Hey let's get the guys who made up that sequestration Committee. The
did a hell'va job on that one!

How about the Jobs Panel? They haven't done a motherfucking thing in 4 years, and I hear they're unemployed.

Posted by: Fritz at January 28, 2013 05:11 PM (WM+rJ)

133 I miss John Derbyshire

He told the damn truth and got rolled for it

Posted by: TexasJew at January 28, 2013 05:11 PM (lD8ju)

134 Wheatie:

We shall see. Fucking Durbin and underage hooker lover on the other side of this does not give me much hope. And neither does mccain and graham.

Lindsey is going to get primaried like a mofo if he jams this shite down.

But again, I'll hold fire until I hear what the proposal is. I've always said something should be done, but we shall see.

In any event, the House should say fuck you we're not taking shit up until you address the damn spending. Period.

Posted by: Prescient11 at January 28, 2013 05:12 PM (tVTLU)

135 There's no point in continuing to point out that "insurance" is not "health care", is there?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 28, 2013 05:12 PM (ZKzrr)

136 He told the damn truth and got rolled for it
***
Expect a lot more of that in the next few years.

Posted by: 18-1 at January 28, 2013 05:12 PM (AUeaU)

137 Here's the real way to stop the flood of illegals. Stop giving free shit to "their kids". No more medicaid, mo more food stamps, no free public education.

Cut it all off.

Posted by: Lauren at January 28, 2013 05:12 PM (wsGWu)

138 "Getting ass fucked on an issue that most hispanics don't care about."

this is wrong I think. It's not so much that they don't care, as that they align with the Democrats on plenty of other issues -- and so this "we don't have to change anything so long as we push amnesty" approach is lazy thinking.

I'm not denying that it could net _some_ extra Latino votes or that candidate Rubio couldn't get some former Obama voters since he'd be the First Latino President, but it's wildly overstated. People seem to think we'll just be rolling up "natural conservative" Hispanic majorities in no time and it ain't happening.

Posted by: JDP at January 28, 2013 05:13 PM (60GaT)

139
Capitol Hill may end up looking like The Station in Rhode Island by the time things are done.Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 28, 2013 05:07 PM (e0xKF)


The World may end up looking like The Station in Rhode Island by the time things are done.

Posted by: rd at January 28, 2013 05:13 PM (zLp5I)

140
If Boner doesn't violate Hastert Rule
Posted by: Jon (not the troll)




That rule was already rendered as non-operative as the Washington Navel Treaty during the fiscal cliff vote.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 28, 2013 05:13 PM (kdS6q)

141 Back in the late 1990s, when the GOP actually held enough of Capitol Hill to be able to, y'know, _pass legislation_, I was screaming with my hair on fire for them to shove through a thoroughgoing lockdown of the southern border.

It was, I opined at the time, perhaps the last plausible chance to avert a huge demographic and political shift towards the Democrats in the oncoming 21st century.

Well, that idea didn't get any traction. Instead, the GOP decided that the sure-fire, can't-miss thing to expend their political capital on was to impeach Billy Jeff for getting a blowjob from a fat chick. This was, they assured me, going to be a huge success and would ensure the humiliated retreat of liberalism from the national stage.

Thanks guys.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 28, 2013 05:13 PM (gqT4g)

142 Personal liberty was an extremely shitty idea and we never should have agreed with it. I've pretty much given up on supporting democracy or the freedumb retardation. The founding fathers were a bunch of stupid motherfuckers who had no comprehension of how few people exercise that freeodm responsibly and how many will push for tyranny or self serving destructive policy. All men are not created equal, except in the sense that most of them are created equally self serving and submissive. From now on I only support personal liberty for myself and a few other like-minded individuals. If all these dumbshit liberals want to be slaves then I'd rather we make them our slaves instead of becoming the slaves of a degenerate liberal plutocracy.

Posted by: Johnny at January 28, 2013 05:13 PM (v9Yvj)

143 The American Vichy Movement is strong.

I bet there were French politicians scrambling over each other to get ahead of their WWII era changing demographics too.

Only this time, we're not surrendering, we're practically inviting them in and making them a protected class.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at January 28, 2013 05:13 PM (QxSug)

144 Who's gonna secede? You know the Dems control the cities even in the red states, right?
Houston has a left-wing lesbian as mayor for fuck's sake.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 05:13 PM (ZPrif)

145 137

Thanks for stopping by, Mr. 1983.

Posted by: 13times at January 28, 2013 05:13 PM (h6XiD)

146 139
Capitol Hill may end up looking like The Station in Rhode Island by the time things are done.Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 28, 2013 05:07 PM (e0xKF)


The World may end up looking like The Station in Rhode Island by the time things are done.

---

Some men just want to watch the world burn.

Posted by: Alfred Pennyworth at January 28, 2013 05:13 PM (e0xKF)

147 94
Vote for us, racists.

Posted by: McCain - Rubio 2016 at January 28, 2013 05:06 PM (EZl54



Kiss our asses.

Posted by: Rick Fucking Perry - Rand Paul 2016 at January 28, 2013 05:14 PM (UOM48)

148 Maybe I'm just really slow on the uptake but how does this help the GOP?

They're going to have to change their nic from The Stupid Party to
Suicide R Us.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 28, 2013 05:14 PM (aZ6ew)

149 WWTCD

What
Would
Tom
Cotton
Do?

Never get tired of that..

Posted by: TexasJew at January 28, 2013 05:14 PM (lD8ju)

150 Sad thing was that hypothetical president perry was also an open borders nut.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at January 28, 2013 05:14 PM (QxSug)

151 will never pass the House if the Commission is toothless ... never

Posted by: JeffC at January 28, 2013 05:14 PM (A3tpD)

152 I am liberally using the unfollow button today. Really disgusted by the people who call themselves conservative but feel the need to try to silence and shame any conservative who wants to reject this crap sandwich.

Posted by: Y-not at January 28, 2013 05:15 PM (5H6zj)

153 144 Who's gonna secede? You know the Dems control the cities even in the red states, right? Houston has a left-wing lesbian as mayor for fuck's sake.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 05:13 PM (ZPrif)

Houston is light blue and mostly because Houston proper is made up of the inner city. Demographics make it that way. If you look at the Houston metroplex, not as blue.

Posted by: Jollyroger at January 28, 2013 05:15 PM (t06LC)

154 I recall only a few GOPers willing to fight Bush's shamnesty and that few excluded a bunch of non-RINOs.

---

It was this that first caused me to consider that I might not be a Republican after all.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 28, 2013 05:15 PM (XUKZU)

155 Who's gonna secede? You know the Dems control the cities even in the red states, right?
Houston has a left-wing lesbian as mayor for fuck's sake.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 05:13 PM (ZPrif)


What'sa wrong with you. You never heard of population exchanges? Been going on for hundreds of years in Europe

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 28, 2013 05:15 PM (9Bj8R)

156 Sad thing was that hypothetical president perry was also an open borders nut.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at January 28, 2013 05:14 PM (QxSug)

No he was NOT

Posted by: Vic at January 28, 2013 05:16 PM (53z96)

157 I have a question.

Re the drug tunnels under the border, is it not possible to use seismographs to detect heavy equipment in use?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 05:16 PM (piMMO)

158 Maybe we should just shitcan the Constitution and replace it with an old Felix the Cat cartoon

Posted by: TexasJew at January 28, 2013 05:16 PM (lD8ju)

159 Ugh local radio news had 11 yr old crying that his illegal alien father was being deported to Guatemala and how this must stop!!! I don't think it's fair that the kid has to be separated from his father I think he should go to Guatemala too and come back as an adult if he wishes I know That is harsh but what ever

Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at January 28, 2013 05:16 PM (gqoK1)

160 Tax increases now for spending cuts later.
Voting enforcement later.
Border enforcement later.
Means testing later.
Pass a budget later.
Film of the Prez skeeting later.

Democrats - The Party Of Tomorrow

Posted by: t-bird at January 28, 2013 05:16 PM (FcR7P)

161 I like how National Review threw Derb to the curb while he was in the middle of chemo treatments. Nice little touch that.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 05:16 PM (ZPrif)

162 this could have been an issue in nov.2012 especially since Mitt was the only sane immigration politician left in the GOP.

Obama's immigration stance: fuck enforcement, bring em over as fast as possible, legally or whatever, sue the states that try to stop it, pay for them to have kids, and drive them to the polls (I know voter fraud doesn't exist but there are stories about illegals being forced to vote donk in nevada, for example).

Most americans disagree with every one of those things obama is doing.

and Mitt said...what?

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at January 28, 2013 05:17 PM (QxSug)

163 Who's gonna secede? You know the Dems control the cities even in the red states, right? Houston has a left-wing lesbian as mayor for fuck's sake.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 05:13 PM (ZPrif)


--------------------------------------------------


Oklahoma. The only state that's totally red.

Posted by: Barry Al Hussein at January 28, 2013 05:17 PM (DM+ui)

164 TOM COTTON!!!!!!!!

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 28, 2013 05:18 PM (GEICT)

165 You silly kuffir! Don't be afraid of immigrants. Look at our cultural contributions to England.

Posted by: Londoner Muhamed al Shakim at January 28, 2013 05:18 PM (HPRku)

166 I'd say this. Rubio was tea party before the tea party even fucking existed. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

So I'm willing to watch. The problem is that we get in this "boy's club" of congress and in the meantime they completely fuck us in the ass.

They did it to Reagan with the tax increase; spending cuts never came.

They did it to Reagan with original amnesty - even fucking Pat Buchanan backed that - but enforcement of the border never came.

The only way to do this is to fucking do border control FIRST and make its provisions automatic, and then we'll see.

If it's a halfway decent proposal, and they fucked over zero's grandstanding, then it would be beautiful indeed.

Posted by: Prescient11 at January 28, 2013 05:18 PM (tVTLU)

167 114 logprof,

Sven is thinking of moving to Manitoba

You're our local expert on that Province..

Posted by: TexasJew at January 28, 2013 05:09 PM (lD8ju)

--Really? Well sven, first thing to say is: the people here are more liberal than most states so you'd need to be ready for that. On the other hand, by Canadian standards the province is MOR; it's probably the one province where many, if not most, ridings (federal and provincial) are in play for all three major national parties. As with anywhere else, the farther you get from the cities (really, besides Winnipeg Brandon and possible Portage are the only cities worthy of the name) the more conservative the folks get.

Did sven check out the RM of Pipestone link on the ONT a few weeks ago and get intrigued? Shoot, if the tenure thing does not pan out I would be open to checking it out.

There's another Moron who goes by The Drunken Conservative who lives here as well but I have not seen him in a while.

Posted by: logprof at January 28, 2013 05:18 PM (jVAw4)

168 Just tweeted:

I may not be able to cast a vote against @JohnMcCain or @GrahamBlog, but I can vote against you, @MarcoRubio. Please tread carefully.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 05:18 PM (piMMO)

169 well, romney painted perry well enough as an open borders nut, what with his in-state tuition for illegals and so on.

luckily, amnesty is the only thing right now that gets people to call their congressmen.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at January 28, 2013 05:18 PM (QxSug)

170
6 days from now...

"Woo hoo, the Super Bowl!!"

Posted by: soothsayer at January 28, 2013 05:18 PM (hA+ft)

171
Are we getting used to the taste of it in our mouths? Someone must think so.

Posted by: California Red at January 28, 2013 05:18 PM (cB0VK)

172 Sad thing was that hypothetical president perry was also an open borders nut.

Hardly.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 28, 2013 05:18 PM (evdj2)

173 anyone else see a resemblance between Ed Morrissey and the Baby Ruuuuuth guy from Goonies?

Posted by: eggs benedict at January 28, 2013 05:18 PM (FpBe1)

174 and Mitt said...what?

We'll ask the questions here! O Hai, Sen. Menendez...

Posted by: The MFM at January 28, 2013 05:19 PM (FcR7P)

175 I need to double my dose of Dammitol

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 28, 2013 05:19 PM (8sCoq)

176 134 Wheatie:
We shall see. Fucking Durbin and underage hooker lover on the other side of this does not give me much hope. And neither does mccain and graham.


Doesn't matter, Prescient11...whether or not you still like Rubio.
He has screwed himself politically with this, as far as ever getting elected in a national election.

McCain pushed for this same thing, in the years leading up to 2008.
And millions of people couldn't bring themselves to vote for him.

Posted by: wheatie at January 28, 2013 05:19 PM (BZMZX)

177 Let it Rot!

Posted by: 13times at January 28, 2013 05:19 PM (h6XiD)

178 I've been of the 'controlled let it burn' plan whereas the burn would allow the right minded side to take back our Country after the consequences were felt by those not paying close attention.

I am sorry to say that I am close to the Let The Motherfucker Burn To the Ground plan and everyman for themselves. This is selfish on my part since I have no children but I can't help feel how I feel. I really want to believe there is something left to fight for but everyday I see us taking one step forward and two steps back.

I try to remind myself that we won half the States in the last election, we have 30 governorships, that the NRA doubled their membership, that we have a lot of conservative patriots who are now citizens that served our Country in Iraqand Afghanistan.

I also see though that we are on our way to approving gay marriage, we have allowed gays to serve openly, we now allow women in combat, there will be sometype of infringement on the 2nd amendment,thereare more takers than ever before, taxes are increasing on the producers and now we will provide citizenship to illegals while those who did the proper procedures get or got screwed. Our captialist country is more socialistic than ever before.
LTMFB. I think. fuck I'm conflicted.

Posted by: polynikes at January 28, 2013 05:19 PM (m2CN7)

179 Looking at whats going on, I'm going to start buying chicle futures..

Posted by: TexasJew at January 28, 2013 05:19 PM (lD8ju)

180 Sad thing was that hypothetical president perry was also an open borders nut.

****

Wuuutt?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 05:19 PM (piMMO)

181 The problem is conservatives believe in growing prosperity.

If we didn't, we could explain to minorities here that adding 11 million people would just take their jobs, their money, their benifits and that they and their families would be better off sending these people back.
But, thats racist.

Posted by: Jollyroger at January 28, 2013 05:19 PM (t06LC)

182 Is this part of the new Democrat strategy to turn Texas blue?

Posted by: no good deed at January 28, 2013 05:20 PM (mjR67)

183
Houston has a left-wing lesbian as mayor for fuck's sake.



lucky you.

Posted by: Andre' at January 28, 2013 05:20 PM (m0v2L)

184 The only thing between Obama and America is the House GOP, so I am not encouraged


what a bunch of dickless wonders- absolutely no spine whatsoever

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 28, 2013 05:20 PM (8sCoq)

185 How do you say "we're fucked" in Spanish?

Posted by: Andrew at January 28, 2013 05:20 PM (HS3dy)

186 Houston has a left-wing lesbian as mayor for fuck's sake.


yeah? Well NYC may have one of those soon also

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 28, 2013 05:21 PM (9Bj8R)

187 157 I have a question.

Re the drug tunnels under the border, is it not possible to use seismographs to detect heavy equipment in use?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 05:16 PM (piMMO)




Is it not possible to use some sort of ground penetrating sonar/radar/whatever to detect the fucking tunnels and then COLLAPSE them????

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 28, 2013 05:21 PM (GEICT)

188 McCain pushed for this same thing, in the years leading up to 2008.
And millions of people couldn't bring themselves to vote for him.

---

And this was part of McCain's post-election meltdown, IIRC, as he ranted and raved at a room full of Hispanic leaders about how he tried to get them the best deal he could get and they fucked him in the voting booth.

Posted by: Alfred Pennyworth at January 28, 2013 05:21 PM (e0xKF)

189 This is purely an amnesty with the rest a patina to be ignored. We ALL know this!

What's more, no matter how the legislation is written, the Democrats/Progressives/Amnestyites will blame the "racist, Hispanic-hating" GOP for not certifying, validating, amnestying the illegals faster nevermind what the legislation says. If the law (as if it mattered) stated some 5-yr. waiting period somewhere, the Amnestyites would say it needs to be three or you're racist!!! If the GOP agrees (for the pragmatism, you see) to three, the Amnestyites will say it needs to be one. Replay this until the politicians' "consensus" is that nothing less than immediate amnesty is acceptable. And if immediate amnesty is accepted, then each of the amnestied must be allowed to import their parents. Then brothers and sisters. Then grandparents. Then second cousins and their closest friends. Anything less is Hispanic-hating racism!!!

It will never end - EVER - until every legal American is shafted, bankrupted, and demonized to criminality while the nation is gutted of its sovereignty, law, and justice.

Amnesty is the ring. It is the only ring. And the government, BOTH sides just as before, is uniting against legal citizens to grab it. Turns out, Rubio is the gloss the GOP (and more specifically, Hobbit-detesting Grahamnesty and McAmnesty) have been waiting for to pass yet another sh*t-sandwich.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 28, 2013 05:21 PM (eHIJJ)

190 Houston has a left-wing lesbian as mayor for fuck's sake.

Posted by: Andre' Carson wants schools modeled after madrassas for indianapolis children at January 28, 2013 05:21 PM (m0v2L)

191 Rubio will be on Rush tomorrow, so I have no doubt Rush is going to ask about this a million times

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 28, 2013 05:21 PM (FKQng)

192 the sad truth about letting it rot, smolder, burn, or be ground zero of smod is that societies can limp along just fine without you. It's like a casino, they can handle your lucky streak a lot longer than you can handle a bad streak.

Great Depression 2.0 could. could. drag into Dark Ages 2.0, especially since this time around the American Vichy Movement is trying to destroy our foundations of civilization.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at January 28, 2013 05:21 PM (QxSug)

193 I guess my final advice to the national GOP is to recognize they are in a losing situation, and instead of trying to think their way out by abandoning principle, that they trust to Providence, and Providence may supply.

No one has a right anymore to shove one people aside for themselves. Never again.

Posted by: H. at January 28, 2013 05:21 PM (D5Jpp)

194 133 I miss John Derbyshire

He told the damn truth and got rolled for it

Posted by: TexasJew at January 28, 2013 05:11 PM (lD8ju)

--Reminds me: I haven't listened to his podcast since vacation last month so I need to catch up. Even when I disagree with him, at least he's *interesting*.

Posted by: logprof at January 28, 2013 05:21 PM (jVAw4)

195 How do you say "we're fucked" in Spanish?
Posted by: Andrew at January 28, 2013 05:20 PM (HS3dy)

Open Borders

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 28, 2013 05:21 PM (9Bj8R)

196 actually I may need to move from Dammitol to Fuccitol

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 28, 2013 05:21 PM (8sCoq)

197 Derb's best neologism -- The Dark Enlightenment.

The Dark Enlightenment is the set of facts about the world the ruling class has officially declared non-facts. It's the Truth they are determined to suppress. The Reality that shall not be named.

Dark Enlightenment has a nice ring to it.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 05:21 PM (ZPrif)

198 Sad thing was that hypothetical president perry was also an open borders nut. Hardly.
Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 28, 2013 05:18 PM (evdj2)

I don't want to start a Perry thread again but some of my taxes pay for tutition for illegals whether Perry admits to it or not. Some government subsidized scholarship funds do go to illegals.

Posted by: polynikes at January 28, 2013 05:21 PM (m2CN7)

199 Wheatie:

We shall see my friend. How I have heard it described, it's not unreasonable, at least what Rubio is saying.

But I believe you are correct, if he goes through with something that's retarded, and the core of us know it, he will not make it.

Posted by: Prescient11 at January 28, 2013 05:22 PM (tVTLU)

200 I may not be able to cast a vote against @JohnMcCain or @GrahamBlog, but I can vote against you, @MarcoRubio. Please tread carefully.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 05:18 PM (piMMO)




Pardon me while I go retweet that...

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 28, 2013 05:22 PM (GEICT)

201 To be fair, our electoral demise would only come around 10 years or so after this is passed.

Plenty of time to throw gasoline on the fire.

LiB

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at January 28, 2013 05:22 PM (FsUAO)

202 Learn spanish to keep your job.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 28, 2013 05:22 PM (l86i3)

203 Doesn't matter, Prescient11...whether or not you still like Rubio.
He has screwed himself politically with this, as far as ever getting elected in a national election.

McCain pushed for this same thing, in the years leading up to 2008.
And millions of people couldn't bring themselves to vote for him.

****

More dangerous than this remains the rookie move he made last year in pushing a vote to fast track Georgia's admission into the U.N.

Rand Paul was the one to step in and put a stop to it.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 05:22 PM (piMMO)

204 Trust me on this border issue , they will stick some pork in US...

Posted by: Clemenza at January 28, 2013 05:22 PM (x59Gv)

205 logprof

Thanks!

Was up in Calgary and Banff back in July but didnt get out your way

Need to visit friend in Grand Forks in the early Spring

Still have all my Fightin' Sioux stuff, even though it got banned..

Posted by: TexasJew at January 28, 2013 05:23 PM (lD8ju)

206 Why mus the font be sooo small?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 05:23 PM (piMMO)

207 "Is this part of the new Democrat strategy to turn Texas blue?"

Very good point, and the answer is yes. Note the one part of Texas that is blue, not a major urban area, but along the border.

Posted by: Andrew at January 28, 2013 05:23 PM (HS3dy)

208 Dear GOP,

There is no way that you will prosper or survive this "deal."

Second, this is one issue with which you have clout over Lord of the Flies, aka the dark lord, the undead president because most americans oppose increase immigration and if they understood current immigration policy, they'd riot.*

*current policy=fuck enforcement, bring em over as fast as possible, legally or whatever, sue the states that try to stop it, pay for them to have kids, drive them to the polls and pull the lever for them, and ignore their crime waves.

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at January 28, 2013 05:24 PM (QxSug)

209 Bullshit. It's plain and simple bullshit, and it's snowballing. It's fast approaching an avalanche.

Posted by: Who Knows at January 28, 2013 05:24 PM (W+Itt)

210 This is purely an amnesty with the rest a patina to be ignored.

***

You don't sell the steak, you sell the sizzle!

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 28, 2013 05:24 PM (XUKZU)

211 oh yeah, the dear GOP letter is signed:

XXXOOO,

anyone who even has a cursory understanding of what's going on.

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at January 28, 2013 05:24 PM (QxSug)

212 Forget the Alamo!

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 28, 2013 05:25 PM (XUKZU)

213 Hijos de la chingada!

Posted by: TexasJew at January 28, 2013 05:25 PM (lD8ju)

214 163...Oklahoma. The only state that's totally red.

Jim Inhoffe [R- OK] worked tirelessly to poison-pill McCain's amnesty bill.

Inhoffe is a big reason why it didn't pass.
I'm hoping that he will do itagain...and that he will get a little help this time.

Posted by: wheatie at January 28, 2013 05:25 PM (BZMZX)

215 NDH:

What was this about?

More dangerous than this remains the rookie move he made last year in pushing a vote to fast track Georgia's admission into the U.N. Rand Paul was the one to step in and put a stop to it.

Posted by: Prescient11 at January 28, 2013 05:25 PM (tVTLU)

216 I'm disappointed I didn't receive an email from RandPAC today.

I bet he's crafting something.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 05:26 PM (piMMO)

217 To show that the border is secure, President Obama will walk the length of the border without Secret Service protection.

Posted by: Pancho Via at January 28, 2013 05:26 PM (e8kgV)

218 Boehner: He makes mistakes but he regrets them deeply.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 28, 2013 05:26 PM (XUKZU)

219 163...Oklahoma. The only state that's totally red.
That fits since Oklahoma means 'Red Man' in Choctaw.

Posted by: polynikes clavin at January 28, 2013 05:26 PM (m2CN7)

220
No one likes having to cut deals, but voters in their less-than-infinite wisdom brought back split government to Washington, and that’s the only way that we will resolve this issue with any conservative input over the next four years.

Ed Morrissey - Conservative Blogger of the Year

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 28, 2013 05:27 PM (kdS6q)

221 Houston's pro soccer team -- the Houston Dynamo -- was originally the Houston 1836 to celebrate the Texas War for Independence.

But that was changed after an outcry claiming it was racist and insensitive to Mexicans.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 05:27 PM (ZPrif)

222 Re: GOP doom and demographics.

It's true, the post Ted Kennedy new Americans are more blue than pre-ted kennedy immigration laws.

Our problems stem with failure to communicate with the new americans. Most of those silly looking newspapers you see in ethnic restaurants are left of pravda circa 1960.

Plus, voter fraud.

But, we have our victories too. It just doesn't feel that way because we got our ass kicked mega-stupid hard in 2012.

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at January 28, 2013 05:27 PM (QxSug)

223 185 How do you say "we're fucked" in Spanish?

Posted by: Andrew at January 28, 2013 05:20 PM (HS3dy)

--Not an exact translation, but one of my favorite expressions is "Chúchame," so maybe "Chúchanos"

Posted by: logprof at January 28, 2013 05:28 PM (jVAw4)

224 Inhoffe is a national treasure.

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at January 28, 2013 05:28 PM (QxSug)

225 I don't have an issue with open borders, *per se*, but unfortunately I can't just walk into another decent country and live there.

The US is all I've got, and it's going to be crashed by the commies in no time.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at January 28, 2013 05:28 PM (FsUAO)

226 Once again, we'll have to pass this bill to find out what's in it. Look for another 1500+ page bill.

One other thing. I think this is the recycled version of the bill that was totally rejected by the public earlier in the decade.

Pathway to citizenship. Sound familier?

Posted by: Soona at January 28, 2013 05:28 PM (DM+ui)

227 I say we do what the dems do all the time. Say we support a "comprehensive immigration reform bill" and will work to get it passed. And then behind the scenes work as hard as we can to sink it. Lie our asses off just like the libs do. And while we're at it, go after menendez and all the other crooks and perverts in the democratic party to distract them. And go after the perverts in the MSM, ya know there are plenty of them.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 28, 2013 05:29 PM (9Bj8R)

228 as rush said, this bill is sitting in some la-raza's HQ, ready to roll.

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at January 28, 2013 05:29 PM (QxSug)

229 "Most americans disagree with every one of those things obama is doing. ... and Mitt said...what?"

As I recall, what Mitt said was, "I agree with the President."

A bunch of times, too. And then he wondered why conservative voters did not turn out for him.

Now we learn from one of Mitt's sons that Mitt "never really wanted to be President" and just ran because he thought it was the thing to do next.

We used to talk about "fire in the belly" as a key thing for a Presidential aspirant.

Up next: "Weakly Glowing Ember In The Belly: The Mitt Romney Story".

Posted by: torquewrench at January 28, 2013 05:30 PM (gqT4g)

230 Written by Buchannan, but here's a bit on it.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/marco-rubio-vs-rand-paul/

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 05:30 PM (piMMO)

231
De-lurking...

Please forgive me for arriving late to the party, for I have not read all the comments. I can tell you that this is going to be sooo much hell on my lovely state the People's Republic of California. I moved back after separating from the military and I was shocked as shit. It looked like Mexico then and it is getting progressively worse now. Los Angeles City Council members Bernard Parks and Jan Perry were going to all the black churches in last year crying about how Latinos are taking over the city and something must be done. I just laughed...these are the same assholes who told everyone how awesome the "brown/black" coalition was and how "we" needed to vote for Tony Villar for mayor so the evil Republican/white man couldn't win. Fucking assholes.

Posted by: I Be That Chick at January 28, 2013 05:30 PM (rLMKB)

232 We have to figure out a way in which [undocumented immigrants]
incorporate themselves into the larger workforce, and into our society
in general, and not be a burden,” said Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-Ill.), a
leader in the immigration debate.






Anything that little bag of shit Gutierrez is for is a bad thing. You don't even have to look into. Just see his name and it's bad like he is

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 28, 2013 05:30 PM (1Jaio)

233 224 Inhoffe is a national treasure.

It has been a pleasure to vote for him...each time.

Posted by: wheatie at January 28, 2013 05:30 PM (BZMZX)

234 I've always been opposed to any form of national ID and have in the past asserted my right to not present my SS number or ID to various gubmint entities not entitled to it.

But now I wonder if the very freedom I cherish, freedom from 'papers, please' as seen eventually in all autocratic societies, is not a serious contributor to the illegal alien situation. They can skate BECAUSE they don't need papers for most things.

I'm not joking. We already live in a early version of a police state; might as well have the benny of needing papers.

Of course, that presupposes that the illegals don't all wind up with papers as a result of this new bipartisan assfucking.

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 28, 2013 05:30 PM (ccXZP)

235 You can have Open Borders.
And you can have a generous Welfare State.

You just can't have both.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 05:30 PM (ZPrif)

236 or...we could pass a bill in the House that builds a fence, and does things that conservatives know are good ideas.

we could point out that mexico has a tough immigration law, you know...make points.

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at January 28, 2013 05:31 PM (QxSug)

237 The Democrats aborted their potential voters, now they have to import them.

Posted by: Hanoverfist at January 28, 2013 05:31 PM (yf/IC)

238 Logprof,

I'm thinking of buying the land to show interest and equity in Canada. The main goal is to lay the groundwork for my son to make himself useful and the wife and I a living....

I love Alberta but as was pointed out Alberta is booming.

Main thing is a rally point and some wealth that is valued on the loon rather than the greenback as that alone will be a better inflationary hedge than anything but gold right now.

This train is not really going to fly in my estimation.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 28, 2013 05:31 PM (LRFds)

239 Posted by: torquewrench at January 28, 2013 05:30 PM (gqT4g)

You recall incorrectly.

Posted by: polynikes clavin at January 28, 2013 05:32 PM (m2CN7)

240 Estamos chingando

Posted by: TexasJew at January 28, 2013 05:32 PM (lD8ju)

241 The Left couldn't win over the American People.
So they imported a new American People.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 05:33 PM (ZPrif)

242 **As I recall, what Mitt said was, "I agree with the President."

A bunch of times, too. And then he wondered why conservative voters did not turn out for him.***

yeah, that's the best strategy to unseat an incumbent..."oh he's ok, I guess, I'm just a better manager because I'm rich."

I guess his first debate performance scared him into thinking he could win, so he changed strategy to lose that 5 point lead he created.

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at January 28, 2013 05:33 PM (QxSug)

243 http://tinyurl.com/abez877 (Dallas News)


"They've done an absolutely terrible job in making their case to the
public," said lobbyist Tom Archer, president of the Our Values, Our
Texas group that was among more than a dozen that testified to
budget-writers in support of reversing the school cuts last week. "Even
[school administrators] are telling me that."
Education leaders say they tried. And tried.
They
point to empty campuses in suburban Austin where the district can't
afford to open the doors. In San Antonio, the fourth-largest school
district in Texas spent $261,000 implanting tracking chips in student
IDs, an investment Northside officials say was made to boost attendance
records and potentially wring another $1.7 million out of the state.


----
Ya see, Texas is gonna install trackin chips on them Mezzcans so's they can track 'em. That way they can give 'em more stimulus funds.

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at January 28, 2013 05:33 PM (0It32)

244
Boned.

And no lightbulbs will go on when Odictator signs this into law, and all over TV are mobs of people waving the Mexican flag.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 28, 2013 05:34 PM (p/cQy)

245 235 You can have Open Borders.
And you can have a generous Welfare State.

You just can't have both.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 05:30 PM (ZPrif)

--That was a Milton Friedman line, no? I think it's also the line Boortz takes; even though he's libertarian by nature he's at least serious enough to recognize that supporting open borders is stupid as long as we have the Great Society.

Posted by: logprof at January 28, 2013 05:34 PM (jVAw4)

246 and btw, here in Md, La Casa is pro-illegal group that's basically allowed to harass border control groups, personally.

Just like how unions are exempted from harassment laws.

It's nice when you don't have to follow the law.

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at January 28, 2013 05:34 PM (QxSug)

247 Maybe you should read the plan Ace.

That's not what it says.

It actually says there is a probationary status, which never goes anywhere unless the border is secured, based on a set of agreed upon measures.

We can argue over measures. We can argue over probationary- which is what liberals are worried about. Because at least they know it's not amnesty.

But go ahead. Don't let me stop the feeding frenzy.

Generally in my profession we try to read the details of complex agreements to understand the whole. Apparently that's not a practice around here.

Because, ya know, what's going on right now with illegal immigrants is just peachy.

Posted by: Marcus at January 28, 2013 05:34 PM (tE3it)

248 220 LDC,

Yes because this fucking bullshit issue allowed to fester since the fucking passage of the 1986 bill has to be SOLVED NOW.

Fuck tepid

Posted by: sven10077 at January 28, 2013 05:35 PM (LRFds)

249 Thanks NDH, that is interesting.

For fuck's sake is everyone on the dole? Not sure why Rubio would push for that, but that is clear thinking by Rand Paul.

I actually like John Bolton though. frankly.

Pat swims in the deep end sometimes, but I like him as well.

Posted by: Prescient11 at January 28, 2013 05:35 PM (tVTLU)

250 "Houston has a left-wing lesbian as mayor for fuck's sake."

Didn't know this actually, damn. Had to look it up. Shit. Houston city is actually pretty small compared to the surrounding suburbs. That's all I've got to make myself feel better about this. This is probably that same county that Sheila Jackson Lee represents.

Posted by: Andrew at January 28, 2013 05:35 PM (HS3dy)

251 I'm sure La Raza will take good care of my elderly white grandmother.

It's not like they would show any favoritism based on race and ethnicity, right?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 05:35 PM (ZPrif)

252 247 Marcus,

Maybe you should listen to the donks telling their people the truth...

the "commission" is non-binding ergo

"amnesty"

Posted by: sven10077 at January 28, 2013 05:36 PM (LRFds)

253 **245 235 You can have Open Borders.
And you can have a generous Welfare State.

You just can't have both. **

Actually, you can't have those two things, true true. But let's also note that it's gas on a fire when you add in:

multiculturalism that destroys the home culture in favor of an ill defined hippy dippy world culture

and

hate crime laws that make the illegals a protected class.

that's a perfect storm.

all of the sudden, our traditions are mean and have to change in favor of the new guests.

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at January 28, 2013 05:36 PM (QxSug)

254 Holy fuck in a handbastket.

Do we need to primary 100% of GOP idiots who vote for this crap so that the next batch will learn? Sign me up!

Posted by: Tonic Dog at January 28, 2013 05:36 PM (X/+QT)

255 234...I'm not joking. We already live in a early version of a police state; might as well have the benny of needing papers.

It would certainly create a lot of new jobs....
All those people who would be manufacturing fake 'National ID's'.

Posted by: wheatie at January 28, 2013 05:36 PM (BZMZX)

256 Posted by: Marcus at January 28, 2013 05:34 PM (tE3it)

You weren't around in 1986 were you?

Posted by: polynikes clavin at January 28, 2013 05:36 PM (m2CN7)

257 238 Logprof,

I'm thinking of buying the land to show interest and equity in Canada. The main goal is to lay the groundwork for my son to make himself useful and the wife and I a living....

I love Alberta but as was pointed out Alberta is booming.

Main thing is a rally point and some wealth that is valued on the loon rather than the greenback as that alone will be a better inflationary hedge than anything but gold right now.

This train is not really going to fly in my estimation.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 28, 2013 05:31 PM (LRFds)

--Yeah, Alberta is very expensive in general. If you're thinking land, a spot in the SW corner of Manitoba would be appealing as potentially near Bakken oil or gas. Even if it has no goodies underneath, it's remote and Manitobans are good about MYOB.

Posted by: logprof at January 28, 2013 05:37 PM (jVAw4)

258 Generally in my profession we try to read the details of complex agreements to understand the whole. Apparently that's not a practice around here.

Because, ya know, what's going on right now with illegal immigrants is just peachy.
Posted by: Marcus at January 28, 2013 05:34 PM (tE3it)

There are no "details" yet. There are only parameters. The "Details" have to be worked out and what ACE is saying is that in the past we have always gotten fucked on deals like this and there is no reason to think this will be anything different.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 28, 2013 05:37 PM (9Bj8R)

259 "Do we need to primary 100% of GOP idiots who vote for this crap so that the next batch will learn?"

That is what did in Sen. Bennet from Utah. There is hope that Hatch remembers what happened.

Posted by: MrShad at January 28, 2013 05:37 PM (Xqfwb)

260 Some of us conservatives think building a fence is a terrible idea. For one, it is impractical. In fact, none other than Rick Perry said so. Now if you are using fence in loose sense to mean physical where appropriate and virtual for most areas, then that may be a good idea. But I could not support the building of a physical fence along the entire boarder. And there are many conservative arguments in favor of not building such a fence.

Nor do I find it conservative to simply say things like E-verify. Conservatives should naturally shy away from government regulations. This is simply another form of regulation. Conscripting the private sector to do the job that the government doesn't want to do. Even if I concede that this is effective in reducing immigration, I would not support it.

So what is my solution. I'm not sure I have one. I'm still not sure one is needed.

Posted by: SH at January 28, 2013 05:38 PM (gmeXX)

261 For fuck's sake is everyone on the dole? Not sure why Rubio would push for that, but that is clear thinking by Rand Paul.

I actually like John Bolton though. frankly.

Pat swims in the deep end sometimes, but I like him as well.

****

It was Buchannan, so I hesitated to link it, but it had the most detail of the account.

Interesting as well was the questioning of Kerry re Libya. Note the differences between Rand and Rubio.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 05:38 PM (piMMO)

262 what are individual tax rates like in Canada?

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 28, 2013 05:38 PM (8sCoq)

263 Sessions: Comprehensive Reform Won’t Pass As Long As Admin Defies Existing Immigration Law




snip~


We would be in a much better position to achieve immigration reform
if the Obama Administration had spent that last four years enforcing
federal law rather than dismantling it. Brave immigration agents have
been left with no recourse but to sue their own Department head, simply
so that they—like any other law officers—will be allowed to do their
jobs. Just last Friday a federal judge made an important preliminary
ruling in their favor. The ICE union also held their own agency head,
John Morton, in no confidence with a unanimous vote. The first task for
every media agency in the country ought to be to study this lawsuit, to
listen to the long-documented complaints of ICE agents, and to review
the record of stymied attempts at congressional oversight of DHS.


No comprehensive plan can pass Congress as long as this
administration continues to defy existing federal law. What good are
promises of future enforcement when the Administration covertly
undermines those laws now in place?





http://tinyurl.com/abek2d5

Posted by: Tami at January 28, 2013 05:38 PM (X6akg)

264 The only good thing about this deal, when it goes through, my drywall problems ore OVER!

Posted by: BuckIV at January 28, 2013 05:38 PM (gedHR)

265 "It looked like Mexico then and it is getting progressively worse now.
Los Angeles City Council members Bernard Parks and Jan Perry were going
to all the black churches in last year crying about how Latinos are
taking over the city and something must be done."

Just wait till all of those newly legal amnestied Hispanics start demanding a precisely proportional share of the government jobs that are now hugely disproportionately held by blacks.

Blacks are 13% of the population? Great. They get 13% of the cush jobs, then. What? The actual percentage of blacks working in this government department is 25%? Well, lay those fuckers off to make room for Pedro and Maria.

"Disparate impact," don't you know.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 28, 2013 05:38 PM (gqT4g)

266 Inhoffe is a national treasure.
Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at January 28, 2013 05:28 PM (QxSug)

And should be buried on a beach in a trunk.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 28, 2013 05:38 PM (l86i3)

267 Some of us conservatives think building a fence is a terrible idea. For one, it is impractical. In fact, none other than Rick Perry said so. Now if you are using fence in loose sense to mean physical where appropriate and virtual for most areas, then that may be a good idea. But I could not support the building of a physical fence along the entire boarder. And there are many conservative arguments in favor of not building such a fence.

****

Moat.

Insert alligators.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 05:39 PM (piMMO)

268 65
The last time they did this shit it took a groundswell of conservative
activism calling them and writing letters. So this time they met in
secret.

And that asshole Lindsay Graham is up for reelection here in 2014. I hope we can primary the worthless cockofsucker.



Posted by: Vic at January 28, 2013 05:02 PM (53z96)

I won't be voting for Miss Lindsay should he make it past the primary. And, I'll be writing a letter to Tim Scott politely reminding him that my first vote for him will be my last should he board the amnesty supertrain. If they've got such a fucking hard-on for being in the permanent minority, then I have no qualms in passively helping them out.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke's solid gold diaphragm at January 28, 2013 05:39 PM (7xeJQ)

269 Marine and Army mounted infantry make fine fences

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 28, 2013 05:39 PM (8sCoq)

270 >Posted by: polynikes clavin at January 28, 2013 05:36 PM (m2CN7)
<

You didn't actually read the entire proposal- did you?

I was around in 1986. This ain't 1986.

Posted by: Marcus at January 28, 2013 05:39 PM (tE3it)

271 The only good thing about this deal, when it goes through, my drywall problems ore OVER!

****

LOL!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 05:39 PM (piMMO)

272 any requirements for citizenship will be waived. you do know that, right?

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at January 28, 2013 05:40 PM (QxSug)

273
Just as this is coming up, the TARS (Tethered Aerostat Radar System) is coming down across the southern border. March 15th (or 31st, depending on the site), the only way we have to detect low flying aircraft as it approaches the border gets shut down. The replacement ground based system is still in its early testing phase.



And the ground based system won't be able to look as far across the border as the TARS, because the TARS was a look-down system.


So let us recap. Amnesty dangled in front of illegals while the border is thrown open ever wider. Americans under threat of disarmament. Representitive government no longer representing half the citizenry.



It won't be too long before we hear the distant rattle of musketry, I suspect.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (All my Hate cannot be found) at January 28, 2013 05:40 PM (ial2b)

274 103fuck fuck fuckity fuck we're going to have to gin up a big pushback by phone email just like the last two times..God I'm getting too old and tired for all this...Posted by: jeanne at January 28, 2013 05:07 PM (GdalM)That battle was exhausting. I was ona first name basis with the staff of Cornyn's office because I stopped by once a week. I've got a sinking feeling that even if public outrage is greater than last time, it's a done deal. But I'm still gonna call and write every single effing day.

Posted by: TxAnn56 at January 28, 2013 05:40 PM (Y/hkJ)

275 I see the immigration Taliban are in full bloom.

Posted by: Marcus at January 28, 2013 05:40 PM (tE3it)

276 Does Gowdy stand a chance should he run against Graham?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 05:40 PM (piMMO)

277 fuck it's snowing

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 28, 2013 05:40 PM (8sCoq)

278 I will say that if the GOP does not get this right, they are going to break the fucking party and have no power for a long time.

And finally send this country into the shitter permanently.

We shall see, we shall see.

Posted by: Prescient11 at January 28, 2013 05:40 PM (tVTLU)

279 Marcus at January 28, 2013 05:34 PM (tE3it)


*KNOCK* *KNOCK*

Posted by: Candygram at January 28, 2013 05:40 PM (jVAw4)

280 Oh well. Another in a growing number of chapters telling the story "How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love The Welfare State."

Posted by: George Orwell says it doesn't make a difference at this point at January 28, 2013 05:40 PM (LyF0H)

281 with respect to these presidential waivers of legal requirements, it's time to bring back writs of mandamus to force them to enforce the law.

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at January 28, 2013 05:40 PM (QxSug)

282 good call on sitting on my ass all day

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 28, 2013 05:40 PM (8sCoq)

283 Posted by: torquewrench at January 28, 2013 05:38 PM (gqT4g)

I can see a Mexican/African Civil war. I'll buy a keg if others will bring a dish to pass.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 28, 2013 05:41 PM (l86i3)

284
The Latinos really don't like who they call mayates. They've done cleansing where I live.

Posted by: Who Knows at January 28, 2013 05:41 PM (W+Itt)

285 Prescient11: "Lindsey is going to get primaried like a mofo if he jams this shite down."

No he won't. He charged anti-illegal alien voters with racism/Hobbitism when he tried the last sh*t-sandwich under Bush and he was reelected. All he has to do is throw out some red meat (say, a pro-military policy) during the primary period and he'll be good to go. He did this to great effect already so history shows he won't be punished enough to get kicked out. Incumbency is a stone cold b*tch to overcome.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 28, 2013 05:41 PM (eHIJJ)

286 So what is my solution. I'm not sure I have one. I'm still not sure one is needed.
Posted by: SH at January 28, 2013 05:38 PM (gmeXX)


Last I checked enforcing existing laws re immigration *is* a conservative position. So I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that border fences and e-verify are un-conservative.

Posted by: Mætenloch at January 28, 2013 05:42 PM (pAlYe)

287 Oh, do the Dems promise to stop calling us racists after we pass amnesty? Do they pinky swear to stop calling us mean names?

What do we have to do to get them to stop calling us racists? Do we have to slit both wrists, or just our throats?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 05:42 PM (ZPrif)

288 Blacks are 13% of the population? Great. They get 13% of the cush jobs, then. What? The actual percentage of blacks working in this government department is 25%? Well, lay those fuckers off to make room for Pedro and Maria.

"Disparate impact," don't you know.


People wanted a third world country where the spoils go to the victors, and they are going to get it.

Posted by: George Orwell says it doesn't make a difference at this point at January 28, 2013 05:42 PM (LyF0H)

289 Why cant GOP ask unemployed blacks about amnesty?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at January 28, 2013 05:42 PM (AWmfW)

290 Didn't know this actually, damn. Had to look it up. Shit. Houston city is actually pretty small compared to the surrounding suburbs. That's all I've got to make myself feel better about this. This is probably that same county that Sheila Jackson Lee represents.
Posted by: Andrew at January 28, 2013 05:35 PM (HS3dy)

Yep. Its a commuter city. The well to dos usually live outside Houston proper. All thats left are straight ticket dems for a reason. Its like that in SA too.

Posted by: Jollyroger at January 28, 2013 05:42 PM (t06LC)

291 …”We have to figure out a way in which [undocumented immigrants] incorporate themselves into the larger workforce,

What workforce? Unemployment is at 14%, should we push for 25%?

Posted by: Decaf at January 28, 2013 05:42 PM (NmvvV)

292 gop caves on:

spending curbs
tax increases
debt ceiling
amnesty and border control

Next up: Gun control. Bank on it.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 28, 2013 05:43 PM (p/cQy)

293 Anybody else feel like the Democrats and media dropping the mask has given cover to Republicans to drop the mask, too?

Posted by: Truman North (D) at January 28, 2013 05:43 PM (I2LwF)

294 At least Obama was honest. I mean he did say that he was going to fundamentally transform the United States.

That so many of the people - WHO ARE NO LONGER MY COUNTRYMEN!!! - thought that thatwas hunky dory is what breaks my heart.

Posted by: LGoPs at January 28, 2013 05:44 PM (4x8W0)

295 266 Inhoffe is a national treasure.
Posted by: joeindc44


And should be buried on a beach in a trunk.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet

----------

Eh?
What do you have against Inhoffe, OSP?

Posted by: wheatie at January 28, 2013 05:44 PM (BZMZX)

296 262 Jones in CO,

Sub $37,500ish the same ~15%

For individuals whose adjusted gross incomes range between $34,000 and $81,940, taxes are higher in the United States.

Now Canada has a vat and provincial tax structure gets sporty but really how is that different than here?

Point is and you KNOW how I feel about taxes and that I KNOW taxes....

I know I am not getting assfucked by Soc Sec and Medi-Scam and have a media wanting Barry to get in a race with Fwance if I go North.

Hell I *might* even be able to influence my fucking elected leadership eh?

Posted by: sven10077 at January 28, 2013 05:44 PM (LRFds)

297 275 I see the immigration Taliban are in full bloom.

Posted by: Marcus at January 28, 2013 05:40 PM (tE3it)

--That's a poor insult. The Taliban back in the day when they ruled outright encouraged immigrants skilled in 'splodey stuff and mayhem and discouraged immigration by those not. I *wish* the USA's policy were parallel to the Taliban's.

Posted by: Candygram at January 28, 2013 05:44 PM (jVAw4)

298 /skit sock

Posted by: logprof at January 28, 2013 05:45 PM (jVAw4)

299
The only good thing about this deal, when it goes through, my drywall problems ore OVER!






So, you mean I'll get back the lawnmowers the "entrepreneurs" in my old neighborhood stole?

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 28, 2013 05:45 PM (kdS6q)

300 McRINO On Senate Immigration Agreement: If We Pass This It Will Be A Testimonial To The Groundwork Laid By Ted Kennedy….

Well that's one way to kill it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 28, 2013 05:45 PM (9Bj8R)

301 Why don't we get credit for having the only flamboyantly gay Senator in Miss Lindsey?

Seriously, Graham could easily take Bawney Fwank in a gay-off if he had to.

Lindsey's got that whole Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil vibe. Might be gay. Might be a vampire. Might be a gay vampire.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 05:45 PM (ZPrif)

302 There's one way to tell which party REALLY cares about the illegals...

make them legal in all ways but one...

THEY CAN NEVER VOTE.

THAT will show who cares about them as people, and who cares about them as possible constituents.

Posted by: parteagirl at January 28, 2013 05:45 PM (bjCIx)

303 the whole prog plan is crash Ocare so we will then be compelled by "crisis" to go to single payer

Posted by: thunderb at January 28, 2013 05:45 PM (Dnbau)

304 Our RINO's no doubt make some deal to help their campaign, as they again sell out conservatives. How bought make them green carders, but they never get to vote, and never get welfare?

My health insurance has already gone up 100% since Obamacare ... more to come to take care of all the lobbyists and all the welfare class and illegals. DC is in the business of growing government and milking the middle class.

Of course they want to take our guns ... before they start confiscating assets.

Posted by: Illini Bill at January 28, 2013 05:46 PM (HQuBO)

305 300 McRINO On Senate Immigration Agreement: If We Pass This It Will Be A Testimonial To The Groundwork Laid By Ted Kennedy….

Well that's one way to kill it

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Did McCain just drive the bill off a bridge in an Oldsmobile?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 28, 2013 05:46 PM (e0xKF)

306 291 Decaf,

eh fuck things like economics or logic....

I'd be all for totally OPEN fucking border if they would dismantle this cylindrical device they have at the back of my throat.....

abolish minimum wage cut taxes to a flat even 20% etc etc

no no everything is fine we just need more fucking drawerers on the social safety net....

fuck the fucking politicians.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 28, 2013 05:46 PM (LRFds)

307
I have just two questions for this Open Borders crowd: Do you have a front door where you live?

Why? Given your stance and support for a porous border with Mexico, shouldn't anyone who wishes to enter your home be allowed to?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 28, 2013 05:46 PM (+z4pE)

308 It doesn't matter.

America doesn't care.

They didn't care when the Feds gave $1 trillion to crony corporations who turned around and betrayed the US.

Ditto Obamacare, the Mid-east and North Africa, etc.

Peeps, they don't care and they won't until it flattens them like a collapsing, 110-story building.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 28, 2013 05:46 PM (xz0nG)

309 Eh?
What do you have against Inhoffe, OSP?
Posted by: wheatie at January 28, 2013 05:44 PM (BZMZX)

Dumbass me confused him with Inouye, sorry.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 28, 2013 05:46 PM (l86i3)

310 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBJnnzxhGbw

Zappa

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at January 28, 2013 05:47 PM (0It32)

311 305 Brandon in BR,

Nah Juan just feels safe in admitting he was envious of fucking tedster,......

we're prisoners and slaves doomed to suffer so "better Americans' can steal our history and nation

Posted by: sven10077 at January 28, 2013 05:47 PM (LRFds)

312 !Viva la Revolucion!

Posted by: Underage Dominican Prostitute at January 28, 2013 05:47 PM (vbh31)

313 Rubio says “I will not be part of a bill” that doesn’t guarantee enforcement

Posted by: Pancho Via at January 28, 2013 05:47 PM (e8kgV)

314
Next up: Gun control. Bank on it.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk




Tsk tsk. Not "gun control", it's "gun safety". Weren't you cc'd on the official GOP email?

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 28, 2013 05:47 PM (kdS6q)

315 shouldn't anyone who wishes to enter your home be allowed to?

Especially if they are coming out of the shadows.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 28, 2013 05:47 PM (evdj2)

316 Ees gonna suck to pay the taxes an buy the health insurance, no?

Posted by: Manuel Labor at January 28, 2013 05:47 PM (wAQA5)

317 Last I checked enforcing existing laws re immigration *is* a conservative position. So I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that border fences and e-verify are un-conservative.

----

The border fence itself is not a law. And e-verify is basically a consription on the private sector.

Here are my arguments against:
- Border - it is expensive, unlikely to be as effective as advertised (building taller ladders as Perry says), and frankly, I'm not sure I want my country to be bordered off. The last one is a soft argument, which I could move one, but all things being equal, I'd rather not live in a wall-ed of state.Just feels like something the other side did, not us.

- E-verify. I am against just about anything that tells private businesses what they must do to hire someone. I hate the idea that they have to request I-9s and pay taxes for employees. This strikes me as an added burden.

These may not persuade you, but I think they are perfectly conservative/libertarian reasons to oppose them.

Posted by: SH at January 28, 2013 05:48 PM (gmeXX)

318 For fuck's sake is everyone on the dole? Not sure why Rubio would push for that, but that is clear thinking by Rand Paul

***

I don't know that Rubio is on the dole, but it is an indication that he is too far under the influence of McCain.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 05:48 PM (piMMO)

319
292

I am tweeting that

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 28, 2013 05:48 PM (8sCoq)

320 I was around in 1986. This ain't 1986.

Posted by: Marcus at January 28, 2013 05:39 PM (tE3it)



You're absolutely right. Thank you for bringing that up.


Last time it was around 3 million illegals. This time we're close to quadruple that number. 11.6 million in 2011.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 28, 2013 05:49 PM (GEICT)

321 Down here on la Frontera, black are not called mayates as often as they are referred to as las "llantas" - tires

Posted by: TexasJew at January 28, 2013 05:49 PM (lD8ju)

322 What do you have against Inhoffe, OSP?
Posted by: wheatie at January 28, 2013 05:44 PM (BZMZX)

Dumbass me confused him with Inouye, sorry.

****

Too bad because it would have been FUNNY if you could have backed it!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 05:49 PM (piMMO)

323 As soon as you saw that McCain and Rubio were in this group it should have been obvious what the outcome would be. Anyone remember McCain's exasperated outburst in 2008 about the border fence "Then build the damn thing"?

I don't get this fascination with Rubio. On paper he may look promising but in reality his is just another politician angling for a better gig. Every time I look at him I am reminded of an arrogant sob from highschool who thought the world owed him everything just because he was so wonderful. I may be wrong and my perception clouded by personal experience but that's just the vibe I get.

Posted by: Decaf at January 28, 2013 05:49 PM (NmvvV)

324 296 262 Jones in CO,

Sub $37,500ish the same ~15%

For individuals whose adjusted gross incomes range between $34,000 and $81,940, taxes are higher in the United States.

Now Canada has a vat and provincial tax structure gets sporty but really how is that different than here?

Point is and you KNOW how I feel about taxes and that I KNOW taxes....

I know I am not getting assfucked by Soc Sec and Medi-Scam and have a media wanting Barry to get in a race with Fwance if I go North.

Hell I *might* even be able to influence my fucking elected leadership eh?

Posted by: sven10077 at January 28, 2013 05:44 PM (LRFds)

--That's about right. I get about 40% deducted and get some back in refunds. I can't complain too much because as you said, there's no SS scam. Canada Pension will have to restructure, but at least the Tories have opened the door to talking about raising the retirement age --we're way ahead of the USA when it comes to honest discussion about that.

Everyone pays 5% federal GST (a VAT), and here in MB we pay another 5% except for groceries. The only seriously unfair tax is on gas because we have to pay a tax on another tax.

Posted by: logprof at January 28, 2013 05:50 PM (jVAw4)

325 These may not persuade you, but I think they are perfectly conservative/libertarian reasons to oppose them.

Indeed, and one of the reasons that the Libertarians are joke as a political force. It's perfectly normal to reject the services of the government firemen when your house is burning down. It should be a private fire service.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 28, 2013 05:50 PM (evdj2)

326 Moat. Insert alligators.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 05:39 PM (piMMO)


-------------------------------------------


An extended series of south-pointing rifle ranges. Now that's sport shooting.

Posted by: Soona at January 28, 2013 05:50 PM (DM+ui)

327 These may not persuade you, but I think they are perfectly conservative/libertarian reasons to oppose them.
Posted by: SH at January 28, 2013 05:48 PM (gmeXX)


Well my quibble is that these are really libertarian objections than conservative ones and should be labeled as such.

Posted by: Mætenloch at January 28, 2013 05:50 PM (pAlYe)

328 Don't mess with The Inhofe!

Posted by: TexasJew at January 28, 2013 05:50 PM (lD8ju)

329
Too bad because it would have been FUNNY if you could have backed it!
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 05:49 PM (piMMO)


Oh, now that I think about it. There are a few fuckups by our friend.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 28, 2013 05:50 PM (l86i3)

330 " I'll build the g..damned fence if they want it."

Posted by: The Quotable John McCain at January 28, 2013 05:51 PM (EZl54)

331 It seems to be pretty well established at this point that the GOP is just going to be accomplices for the next 4 years. And this begs the question, why? I just have a real hard time believing that Rubio or anybody else could truly be this stupid. This isn't partial differential equations. Latinos at large, especially illegals, are far more likely to be liberal than conservative voters. Rubio HAS to understand this, so what is his real motive? I don't believe he is trying to increase GOPs popularity among latino voters. If that is truly the case, he's a moron, plain and simple.

Posted by: Andrew at January 28, 2013 05:51 PM (HS3dy)

332 Dogs, that shoot bees from their mouths.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 28, 2013 05:51 PM (evdj2)

333 I don't get this fascination with Rubio. On paper he may look promising but in reality his is just another politician angling for a better gig. Every time I look at him I am reminded of an arrogant sob from highschool who thought the world owed him everything just because he was so wonderful. I may be wrong and my perception clouded by personal experience but that's just the vibe I get.

*****

He is my Senator and I am not his biggest fan.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 05:51 PM (piMMO)

334 Me love Marco Rubio long time.

Posted by: Underage Dominican Prostitute at January 28, 2013 05:51 PM (vbh31)

335 Rubio is going Full Aztlan with this shit

Posted by: TexasJew at January 28, 2013 05:51 PM (lD8ju)

336 Rubio says “I will not be part of a bill” that doesn’t guarantee enforcement
Posted by: Pancho Via at January 28, 2013 05:47 PM (e8kgV)

Marcus was around in 1986 or so he says. Ask him if he remembers this particular line that was spouted quite frequently.

Posted by: polynikes at January 28, 2013 05:51 PM (m2CN7)

337 Well my quibble is that these are really libertarian objections than conservative ones and should be labeled as such.

----

Um Ok. I didn't realize saving money and less regulations were only libertarian viewpoints. I thought there was some overlap. Guess not.

Posted by: SH at January 28, 2013 05:51 PM (gmeXX)

338 Dogs, that shoot bees from their mouths.

****

GEEZ!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 05:51 PM (piMMO)

339
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 28, 2013 05:41 PM (l86i3)


It has quietly been going out here in Southern California for the last twenty years or so. I can tell you that blacks have no clue about the shit that is going to happen to them. SCOAMF has sold them out and they don't even realize it. Every time I hear one of my relatives talk glowingly about him, I just laugh. They are sooo fucked.

By the way, if one were to drive around Southern California during the week and happen upon road construction...99.9% of the time the workers are Latino. Can't recall the last time I saw a white, Asian or black working road construction. Hell, a good portion of the LAPD and Sheriff's department are Latino. Shaking my head at the insanity. And don't get me started on all the labels on food products and billboards. Sigh...

Posted by: I Be That Chick at January 28, 2013 05:52 PM (rLMKB)

340 338 Dogs, that shoot bees from their mouths.

****

GEEZ!

---

Smithers, release the robotic Richard Simmons!

Posted by: C. Montgomery Burns at January 28, 2013 05:52 PM (e0xKF)

341 Posted by: Andrew at January 28, 2013 05:51 PM (HS3dy)

He's trying to be too cute by half and get that issue off the table. It's a fuckup but in his rarified air, he doesn't see it.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 28, 2013 05:52 PM (l86i3)

342 Fuck Rubio and fuck his hair plugs!

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 05:52 PM (ZPrif)

343 Can I haz some McCain now?

Posted by: Big Bayou Catfish at January 28, 2013 05:52 PM (lD8ju)

344 And IIRC, Canada ranks ahead of US in terms of economic freedom, or being 'business friendly'

hell I'd make a good Canadian- I like Canadian Club and have a beard

but I bet their handgun laws are for shit, eh- hosers

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 28, 2013 05:53 PM (8sCoq)

345 Smithers, release the robotic Richard Simmons!

****

Make them jazzercise for their welfare.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 05:53 PM (piMMO)

346 Same old bullshit with a new coat of stink. Fuck that shit.

Posted by: maddogg at January 28, 2013 05:53 PM (OlN4e)

347 How many baby seals are Canadians allowed to club annually?

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 28, 2013 05:54 PM (evdj2)

348 I am reminded of how much I missed OSP while he was away.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 05:54 PM (piMMO)

349 Why can't they make immigration law like environmental law: give citizens the power to sue the gov't if ov't doesn't enforce the law. After all, that's what gives environmental law it's teeth: citizens have standing to sue the gov't if the gov't isn't doing what it is supposed to do. Pattern immigration law on environmental law and then we can talk.

Posted by: MaureenTheTemp at January 28, 2013 05:54 PM (vOdIN)

350 Hey, I got a idea. What if we give black people two votes each? You know, to make up for slavery and Jim Crow and stuff?

We only get 5% of the black vote now. I bet if we give them two votes each we could double that.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 05:54 PM (ZPrif)

351
Jordan's king meets Mashaal, urges 2-state solution
King Abdullah, Hamas politburo chief discuss Palestinian issue; Abdullah urges Palestinian reconciliation, rejects concept of Palestinian-Jordanian confederation


Speaking of borders: That little shit King should remember that he who rides on the back of the Tiger often ends up inside.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 28, 2013 05:54 PM (9Bj8R)

352 I never thought I would see the day that CANADA is held to be the bastion of freedom in the world.

son of a bitch.

Posted by: MrShad at January 28, 2013 05:54 PM (Xqfwb)

353
331 It seems to be pretty well established at this point that the GOP is just going to be accomplices for the next 4 years. And this begs the question, why? I just have a real hard time believing that Rubio or anybody else could truly be this stupid. This isn't partial differential equations. Latinos at large, especially illegals, are far more likely to be liberal than conservative voters. Rubio HAS to understand this, so what is his real motive? I don't believe he is trying to increase GOPs popularity among latino voters. If that is truly the case, he's a moron, plain and simple.
Posted by: Andrew at January 28, 2013 05:51 PM (HS3dy)



The voters they have now are hard to fool and hard to buy off. They need a dumber, cheaper class of voters. And they are importing them.

Posted by: Truman North (D) at January 28, 2013 05:55 PM (I2LwF)

354 Um Ok. I didn't realize saving money and less regulations were only libertarian viewpoints. I thought there was some overlap. Guess not.
Posted by: SH at January 28, 2013 05:51 PM (gmeXX)

Your sarcasm really confirms you don't know the difference between conservative and libertarian.

Posted by: polynikes at January 28, 2013 05:55 PM (m2CN7)

355 You want special sauce with Eggamcmuffin, G.I.?

Posted by: Underage Dominican Prostitute at January 28, 2013 05:55 PM (vbh31)

356 I am reminded of how much I missed OSP while he was away.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 05:54 PM (piMMO)


:-)

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 28, 2013 05:55 PM (l86i3)

357 >the GOP is just going to be accomplices for the next 4 years. And this begs the question, why?


They have been cowed into submission by the Democrat/Media complex

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 28, 2013 05:55 PM (8sCoq)

358 >Your sarcasm really confirms you don't know the difference between conservative and libertarian.


here we go

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 28, 2013 05:56 PM (8sCoq)

359 <<”We have to figure out a way in which [undocumented immigrants]
incorporate themselves into the larger workforce, and into our society
in general, and not be a burden,” said Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-Ill.), a
leader in the immigration debate.

“Do we want them to go to the exchanges? Absolutely we do — if and when
they don’t have healthcare through their employer,” he said.>>


Yup, they think you're just that stupid, folks.

Posted by: Sgt. York at January 28, 2013 05:56 PM (KIeJ9)

360 Obama and the Dims watched us needlessly tear our party apart in 2006 and to them this is just Dead Pubbie Redux

Posted by: Big Bayou Catfish at January 28, 2013 05:56 PM (lD8ju)

361 Excuse me, but where is the part about birthright citizenship? "Cause if we don't ammend that sucker we'll be going down this road in another 20 years or so.Wait a minute - I'll probably be dead by then. Nevermind.

Posted by: Panchita loves Trey not Lindsay at January 28, 2013 05:56 PM (Cjcon)

362 260 "Nor do I find it conservative to simply say things like E-verify.
Conservatives should naturally shy away from government regulations.
This is simply another form of regulation. Conscripting the private
sector to do the job that the government doesn't want to do. Even if I
concede that this is effective in reducing immigration, I would not
support it."

the fact that you said that last part but still think it's bad because it's "Big Government" is goofy.

Posted by: JDP at January 28, 2013 05:56 PM (60GaT)

363 >I never thought I would see the day that CANADA is held to be the bastion of freedom in the world.

son of a bitch.




weird, eh

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 28, 2013 05:56 PM (8sCoq)

364 I think I will answer all the begging calls I get tonight from the Republicans. I've been ignoring the 5-6 that I get daily but tonight, I feel like getting my rant on.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 28, 2013 05:57 PM (evdj2)

365 They have been cowed into submission by the Democrat/Media complex

***

Heh.

Let's see how FNC responds to Obama's threat to address the irrresponsible media.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 05:57 PM (piMMO)

366 Third party to replace the GOP is looking better and better. The current Repubs can form their new party, same as old party ; the DBB (Democrat Bitch Boys) and their symbol can be a jar of K-Y and an asshole.

Posted by: maddogg at January 28, 2013 05:57 PM (OlN4e)

367 Um Ok. I didn't realize saving money and less regulations were only libertarian viewpoints. I thought there was some overlap. Guess not.
Posted by: SH at January 28, 2013 05:51 PM (gmeXX)


No - it's a matter of tradeoffs between burdens and benefits.

Clearly we could save a whole lot of money by disbanding police forces and the military but pretty much only Libertarians would ever argue for that.

Likewise if you have a law against hiring illegal aliens, there has to be some means of enforcement other than the honor system. That means someone somewhere has to actually verify that all hired employees are legally allowed to work here. Yes this is 'government regulation' but without it (or something similar) the law is essentially unenforceable. And lawlessness is NOT a conservative value.

Posted by: Mætenloch at January 28, 2013 05:58 PM (pAlYe)

368

Do I need to dig up comments from all our pant-wetters from 2007 and 2008 telling Tom Tancredo and his racist anti-immigration talk to go away?

Posted by: soothsayer at January 28, 2013 05:58 PM (KwX0v)

369 sven10077,


re the land, why not Alaska? The issues with dollar dropping in value, for land wouldn't this actually be good? In theory you could have large mortgages and after hyper inflation be able to easily payoff a fixed mortgage. Buy a zillion acres of land and when shit hits the fan you could sell off some tradeable assets like cattle to pay it off.

Posted by: Andrew at January 28, 2013 05:58 PM (HS3dy)

370 I never thought I would see the day that CANADA is held to be the bastion of freedom in the world.

son of a bitch.




weird, eh
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 28, 2013 05:56 PM (8sCoq)

Don't believe it, like Erma Bombeck said, the grass is always greener over the septic tank.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 28, 2013 05:58 PM (l86i3)

371 367 said it better

Posted by: JDP at January 28, 2013 05:58 PM (60GaT)

372 Latinos at large, especially illegals, are far more likely to be liberal than conservative voters. Rubio HAS to understand this, so what is his real motive?

Does he plan to follow the Chris Christie trajectory? These sort of moves may make you wildly popular in small pockets of the country but not where you want it or where it counts.

Posted by: Decaf at January 28, 2013 05:58 PM (NmvvV)

373 352 I never thought I would see the day that CANADA is held to be the bastion of freedom in the world.

son of a bitch.

Posted by: MrShad at January 28, 2013 05:54 PM (Xqfwb)

--Even though the typical Canadian is more liberal than the typical American, at least there seems to be more a current of common sense here. It shows in the Canadian immigration policies (e.g., scoring points for education and youth and requiring fluency in one of the official languages --indeed, even *having* official languages).

Posted by: logprof at January 28, 2013 05:59 PM (jVAw4)

374 Hell after this clusterfuck, North Korea looks like Switzerland..

Posted by: TexasJew at January 28, 2013 05:59 PM (lD8ju)

375 Face it, we're the Alamo.

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 28, 2013 05:59 PM (QLJPW)

376 Um Ok. I didn't realize saving money and less regulations were only libertarian viewpoints. I thought there was some overlap. Guess not. Posted by: SH at January 28, 2013 05:51 PM (gmeXX)
Usted es una bolsa de ducha.

Posted by: Panchita loves Trey not Lindsay at January 28, 2013 05:59 PM (Cjcon)

377 Pay no attention to that undocumented incident occurring in your mouth.

Posted by: Juan McCain at January 28, 2013 05:59 PM (qo244)

378 This Libertarian departs from canon on two things: immigration (mine the damn border) and international intervention (that damn Jew thing that's in my family).

Posted by: SFGoth at January 28, 2013 05:59 PM (dZ756)

379 They have been cowed into submission by the Democrat/Media complex
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 28, 2013 05:55 PM (8sCoq)


And sadly the voters as well. :-(

Posted by: Mætenloch at January 28, 2013 05:59 PM (pAlYe)

380 >Let's see how FNC responds to Obama's threat to address the irrresponsible media.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 05:57 PM (piMMO)

they'll self-moderate, I'm sureI quit FNC some time ago- I only watch for serious breaking news now- hurricane, some manner of astronomical apocalypse perhaps

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 28, 2013 05:59 PM (8sCoq)

381 Amnesty is not the hill to die on.

Posted by: Buddy PC at January 28, 2013 06:00 PM (cyrh6)

382 I also want to see exactly how much this bill is going to cost us.

Maybe all of this is just more Cloward/Piven.

LIB.

Posted by: Soona at January 28, 2013 06:00 PM (DM+ui)

383
I thought there was some overlap. Guess not.
Posted by: SH





Libertarian C Liberal, not Libertarian C Conservative

C for the subset sign since I don't dare try for the special character.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 28, 2013 06:00 PM (kdS6q)

384
I guess sometimes I feel compelled to repeat things, and this happened with the fiscal cliff deal also:

The bill is already written, it is 99% agreed upon, once the House decides which Repubs will be assigned to vote for it with the Dems the legislation will be passed.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 28, 2013 06:00 PM (p/cQy)

385 Rubio thinks Mexicans will be like anti-Communist Cubans if he can just use his pasty-faced Spaniard magic on them.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 06:00 PM (ZPrif)

386 Bret Baier leading with the immigration push

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 06:00 PM (piMMO)

387 Not me
I had nothing against Tancredo and donated to him

He was simply for sensible legal integration

Posted by: TexasJew at January 28, 2013 06:01 PM (lD8ju)

388 So many cold dead hands.

Posted by: toby928© from the future at January 28, 2013 06:01 PM (evdj2)

389
We are out of hills to die on, so I guess we can committ suicide and be done with it.

/the fucking spineless moronic Republican assboys.

Posted by: maddogg at January 28, 2013 06:01 PM (OlN4e)

390
"I'll build the g..damned fence if they want it." - Juan McAmnesty

Well? Where is it? Oh, that's right... your lips were moving. Should've spotted the lie quicker.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 28, 2013 06:01 PM (eHIJJ)

391 >And sadly the voters as well. :-(


Posted by: Mætenloch at January 28, 2013 05:59 PM (pAlYe)

If only some conservative with balls had punched back the first time the race card was played, but....that window of opportunity closed long ago

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 28, 2013 06:01 PM (8sCoq)

392 (Slaps forehead) Immigration Reform? And this is important right now because .... ?

Another diversion.Why-oh-why does anyone pay attention to McCain and the same, tired, old crap.IF we had a leader in the House and IF he had some cajones, he'd release a statement saying that Immigration Deform will not be on the House agenda in the current session. But then again IF we had THAT we'd be in a lot better shape on the fiscal economic issues we face.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at January 28, 2013 06:02 PM (n8LUb)

393 3 important things that the GOP Senate mouthbreathers need to know-

-The Mexicans are leaving.

-The dollar is so devalued it's ridiculous for them to stay.

-Illegals of any stripe don't want to pay taxes.

This is yet another case of the FedGov attempting to legislate the impossible into being. Just a futile attempt to boost the numbers of taxpayers with the only power that they wield.

We stopped being country by Reagan's own definition when he himself signed IRCA of 1986

Posted by: T.Hunter - let it burn at January 28, 2013 06:02 PM (EZl54)

394 Open immigration for the win. The more, the merrier. Absent a violent criminal record, I see no reason we should prohibit anyone from becoming a permanent resident. If they want to become an American, I applaud their patriotism and hope there is a fair and timely pathway for them to navigate.

Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 06:03 PM (Hz1zc)

395 Just for fun I went to ABC to check out their spin on this deal. Of course they are all excited about it. Over and over, they repeated the phrase 'undocumented immigrants'. Only once did they admit that they were here illegally.

Maybe I should down to the local ER and apply for a job as an undocumented doctor. Or pop a blue light on top of my car and start pulling people over as an undocumented police officer.

You can be whatever you want, folks. What difference does it make?

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 28, 2013 06:03 PM (ccXZP)

396 Shut up !!

Posted by: Lindsey Grahm at January 28, 2013 06:03 PM (USjX1)

397 Tiger wins

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 28, 2013 06:03 PM (8sCoq)

398 Sometimes they say the border is too long to build a fence.In Australia they built a fence to keep dingos out of sheep pasture.More than 3000 miles long.In the 1880's.

Posted by: steevy at January 28, 2013 06:03 PM (9XBK2)

399 Not sure if it's sad, good, bad, or what but I'm waiting to hear what Rand Paul has to say about this?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 28, 2013 06:03 PM (9Bj8R)

400

And we have snow. I like it, been kind of a warm winter. I blame Gore.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 28, 2013 06:03 PM (p/cQy)

401 Third party to replace the GOP is looking better and better. The current Repubs can form their new party, same as old party ; the DBB (Democrat Bitch Boys) and their symbol can be a jar of K-Y and an asshole.
Posted by: maddogg at January 28, 2013 05:57 PM (OlN4e)

Es follando gracioso - LOL!!

Posted by: Panchita ama Trey at January 28, 2013 06:03 PM (Cjcon)

402 And, I'd like to thank Rubio, McCain, Graham, and Flake (WTF?!) for distracting from the issue du jour, gun control.

Assholes.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 06:03 PM (piMMO)

403 331
It seems to be pretty well established at this point that the GOP is
just going to be accomplices for the next 4 years. And this begs the
question, why? I just have a real hard time believing that Rubio or
anybody else could truly be this stupid. This isn't partial differential
equations. Latinos at large, especially illegals, are far more likely
to be liberal than conservative voters. Rubio HAS to understand this, so
what is his real motive? I don't believe he is trying to increase GOPs
popularity among latino voters. If that is truly the case, he's a moron,
plain and simple.


Posted by: Andrew at January 28, 2013 05:51 PM (HS3dy)

Yes, it looks like there's a hidden agenda.
Voters on the left wants a central power, GOP is there to mislead their voters to create it.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at January 28, 2013 06:03 PM (AWmfW)

404
Oh well, another day, another screwing.

I'm tired of being That Couch.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 28, 2013 06:04 PM (+z4pE)

405 Just knowing that even Reaganallowed himself tobe hoodwinked by the Dems on this "amnesty now, security later" scam gives me zero hope our current batch of Republican "leaders" will do that right thing.

Posted by: Icedog at January 28, 2013 06:04 PM (PTS+l)

406 Not sure if it's sad, good, bad, or what but I'm waiting to hear what Rand Paul has to say about this?

***

No email from him today, but I'm expecting one tomorrow.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 06:04 PM (piMMO)

407 McCain needs to swim in a shark infested lagoon

Without trunks

Posted by: TexasJew at January 28, 2013 06:04 PM (lD8ju)

408

The GOP has become dependable.



Unfortunately that's not working out very well for conservatives.

Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at January 28, 2013 06:04 PM (1Y+hH)

409 Hello, Blue Texas....

Posted by: ladyingraytn at January 28, 2013 06:05 PM (nXWlD)

410 Oh well, another day, another screwing.

I'm tired of being That Couch.

****

At least the couch had some size on the aggressor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5wG71gxrvE

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 06:06 PM (piMMO)

411 AnonymousDrivel, yes, you have the right quote, I was just too lazy to go looking for it.

Posted by: Decaf at January 28, 2013 06:07 PM (NmvvV)

412
One burning irony is how racist and nationalistic Mexicans are in their own country.
They might have forgotten, but they do have their own country.

Posted by: Who Knows at January 28, 2013 06:07 PM (W+Itt)

413 >And we have snow. I like it, been kind of a warm winter. I blame Gore.

Snowing here in western Denver Metro. Glad I got my V-Twin fix yesterday

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 28, 2013 06:08 PM (8sCoq)

414 Another diversion.Why-oh-why does anyone pay
attention to McCain and the same, tired, old crap.IF we had a leader in
the House and IF he had some cajones, he'd release a statement saying
that Immigration Deform will not be on the House agenda in the current
session. But then again IF we had THAT we'd be in a lot better shape on
the fiscal economic issues we face.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at January 28, 2013 06:02 PM (n8LUb)


Until Boehner does one fucking thing that you'd expect from somebody in a leadership position, he's as worthless as McRINO.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 28, 2013 06:08 PM (UK4h4)

415 394 Open immigration for the win. The more, the merrier. Absent a violent criminal record, I see no reason we should prohibit anyone from becoming a permanent resident. If they want to become an American, I applaud their patriotism and hope there is a fair and timely pathway for them to navigate.

Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 06:03 PM (Hz1zc)

--I assume you don't have a job where you could be easily replaced by an immigrant.

Posted by: logprof at January 28, 2013 06:08 PM (jVAw4)

416 Wake up and smell the salpicon!

Posted by: TexasJew at January 28, 2013 06:08 PM (lD8ju)

417 Bret Baier leading with the immigration push
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 06:00 PM (piMMO)

Él debe ir a follar a sí mismo.

Posted by: Panchita ama Trey at January 28, 2013 06:08 PM (Cjcon)

418 Yahoo! Sports

Ray Lewis, the shy, quiet kid from Connestee Street, dealing with the pain of ailing grandmother

Spare me.

Posted by: t-bird at January 28, 2013 06:08 PM (FcR7P)

419 I was wondering when the trolls would get here.

Posted by: Tami at January 28, 2013 06:09 PM (X6akg)

420 Can't Boehner find some nice vomit to choke on?9

Posted by: TexasJew at January 28, 2013 06:09 PM (lD8ju)

421 "Open immigration for the win"

lol

Posted by: JDP at January 28, 2013 06:09 PM (60GaT)

422 Another diversion.Why-oh-why does anyone pay attention to McCain and the same, tired, old crap.IF we had a leader in the House and IF he had some cajones, he'd release a statement saying that Immigration Deform will not be on the House agenda in the current session. But then again IF we had THAT we'd be in a lot better shape on the fiscal economic issues we face.
Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at January 28, 2013 06:02 PM (n8LUb)


-------------------------------------------


As I've said. Actual "Americans" have had no representation in DC since 2007. It's all for special interests and diversity now.

Posted by: Soona at January 28, 2013 06:09 PM (DM+ui)

423 I'm actually for immigration reform and maybe even an amnesty, but they always make sure to make everything a cock-up, unpalatable to critics, and with unintended consequences.

Plus the lying to get it passed.

Posted by: sexypig at January 28, 2013 06:09 PM (dZQh7)

424 Good job, Ace. About time for a big spic-bashing thread. Hurray for the White Party.

****

Well, he could have run an asshole-bashing thread, but I suspect you're sore enough already.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 06:10 PM (piMMO)

425 So how long do you think it would take before the hand picked "border control commission" declared the borders secure, paving the way for full citizenship?

I'm guessing somewhere between a month and 100 milliseconds.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 28, 2013 06:10 PM (SY2Kh)

426 416 394 Open immigration for the win. The more, the merrier. Absent a violent criminal record, I see no reason we should prohibit anyone from becoming a permanent resident. If they want to become an American, I applaud their patriotism and hope there is a fair and timely pathway for them to navigate.
Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 06:03 PM (Hz1zc)


Why should we have open borders when Canada and Mexico don't?

Posted by: Mætenloch at January 28, 2013 06:10 PM (pAlYe)

427 Good job, Ace. About time for a big spic-bashing thread. Hurray for the White Party.

Ahhh, I see,in your mind, "illegal aliens" automatically equals Mexicans.

Fuckin racist!

Posted by: Icedog at January 28, 2013 06:10 PM (PTS+l)

428 Until Boehner does one fucking thing that you'd expect from somebody in a leadership position, he's as worthless as McRINO.

****

Worse.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 06:11 PM (piMMO)

429 McCain doesn't give a shit about stopping illegal immigration because he is married to the richest woman in Arizona and when the collapse comes he'll be safe behind gates and walls and electrified fences and teams of desert ninjas

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 28, 2013 06:11 PM (8sCoq)

430

Why are liberals always the ones using racist language?

Posted by: Meremortal, watching it burn at January 28, 2013 06:11 PM (1Y+hH)

431 If they want to become an American...

Hold it, I know the punch line to this one!

Posted by: t-bird at January 28, 2013 06:11 PM (FcR7P)

432 Para leer un libro, imbéciles. Adios!

Posted by: Panchita ama Trey at January 28, 2013 06:12 PM (Cjcon)

433 Ray Lewis, the shy, quiet kid from Connestee Street, dealing with the pain of ailing grandmother

Spare me.
Posted by: t-bird at January 28, 2013 06:08 PM (FcR7P)

Why don't he just stab her like that guy he supposedly didn't murder. FKN POS thug, FK him.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 28, 2013 06:12 PM (l86i3)

434 And, I'd like to thank Rubio, McCain, Graham, and Flake (WTF?!) for distracting from the issue du jour, gun control. Assholes.

Neat, isn't it? And just as it was starting to bite.

Posted by: Decaf at January 28, 2013 06:12 PM (NmvvV)

435 Well, he could have run an asshole-bashing thread, but I suspect you're sore enough already.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 06:10 PM (piMMO)

Well done young lady.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 28, 2013 06:13 PM (l86i3)

436 McCain doesn't give a shit about stopping illegal immigration because he is married to the richest woman in Arizona and when the collapse comes he'll be safe behind gates and walls and electrified fences and teams of desert ninjas
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 28, 2013 06:11 PM (8sCoq)


---------------------------------------------


Nope. They'll be sunning themselves on the island they bought off the coast of Thailand. Bet on it. And when the collapse comes, you can bet all the other assholes that brought it about have similar plans.

Posted by: Soona at January 28, 2013 06:14 PM (DM+ui)

437 "I assume you don't have a job where you could be easily replaced by an immigrant."


Even if I did, I'd still be for open borders. As a general rule, I believe the free movement of goods and services is the most essential prerequisite for prosperous trade. Bulldoze the border and put up a sign that says "Bienvenidos! America is open for business!" I also believe immigrants, especially those who wish to become Americans, make us stronger.

Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 06:14 PM (Hz1zc)

438 I had to spend an hour or so at the repair shop this morning and so was subjected to the local morning news/infotainment show. In the space of about 20 minutes they did a piece on getting a free wedding and then one on getting free jewelry. If this is typical of their programing we're doomed, particularly as I imagine the people regularly watching this stuff are not among the productive, tax-paying demographic. Too bad I've got scruples; even worse that so many people don't.

Posted by: Retread at January 28, 2013 06:14 PM (zxitI)

439 I want to see Allen West come out and explain to Black America why this is a direct attack on them, and why do we need 10M immigrant workers when there are 14M unemployed Black Americans. The only way it's gets play is if he bring it hard.

Additionally, that slope Mendenez has his fingerprints all over this - ad hominem all the way. Anyone who votes for this is standing with the pedophile.

Posted by: Jean at January 28, 2013 06:15 PM (uRbX6)

440 All McCain cares about is continuing the McCain Naval Statesmen line. Noble naval warriors!.

As long as his grandson makes Admiral he doesn't care if he's commanding the USS Hugo Chavez in 2038.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 06:15 PM (ZPrif)

441 I always laugh when people talk about 11 million illegals. 11 million? Maybe in CA. Nationally, that has to be more in the 30-40 million range.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 28, 2013 06:15 PM (HDgX3)

442 Decaf@411,

Credit for direct quote goes to T.Hunter (The Quotable John McCain). I just borrowed it.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 28, 2013 06:15 PM (eHIJJ)

443 Jordan, speaking entirely in cliches

Posted by: JDP at January 28, 2013 06:15 PM (60GaT)

444 You know it'd almost be worth seeing the country dissolve into anarchy if I got to see alot of the people that caused the dissolution dangling from oak limbs , their faces a lovely shade of blue .

Posted by: awkward davies at January 28, 2013 06:15 PM (USjX1)

445 "We are from France" - Beldar

Posted by: Bigby's Ringtossing Hands at January 28, 2013 06:16 PM (RLTt1)

446 Even if I did, I'd still be for open borders. As a general rule, I believe the free movement of goods and services is the most essential prerequisite for prosperous trade. Bulldoze the border and put up a sign that says "Bienvenidos! America is open for business!" I also believe immigrants, especially those who wish to become Americans, make us stronger.

Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 06:14 PM (Hz1zc)

--Oh great, another naive libertoid.

Posted by: logprof at January 28, 2013 06:16 PM (jVAw4)

447 Ahhh, I see,in your mind, "illegal aliens" automatically equals Mexicans.

Fuckin racist!
Posted by: Icedog at January 28, 2013 06:10 PM (PTS+l)

Not to mention too stupid to understand that 'Mexican' isn't a race.

Posted by: blindside at January 28, 2013 06:16 PM (x7g7t)

448 When it comes to leftists, thank god for cancer.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 06:16 PM (ZPrif)

449 The only bright spot in seeing the GOP implode? Knowing Meggy Mac's dream of a new, improved GOP will never, ever materialize.

Sorry, funbags

Posted by: Bigby's Ringtossing Hands at January 28, 2013 06:17 PM (RLTt1)

450 Even if I did, I'd still be for open borders. As a
general rule, I believe the free movement of goods and services is the
most essential prerequisite for prosperous trade. Bulldoze the border
and put up a sign that says "Bienvenidos! America is open for business!"
I also believe immigrants, especially those who wish to become
Americans, make us stronger.

Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 06:14 PM (Hz1zc)

__________
If welfare didn't exist I'd agree with you 100%. But welfare does exist so please 'splain to me how you're going to pay welfare for another 10, 20 30, 50, 100 million Mexican and South American new citizens.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 28, 2013 06:17 PM (HDgX3)

451 Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 06:14 PM (Hz1zc)

You are a fucking idiot on so many levels. 23 million AMERICAN, AMERICAN, unemployed. Remember them? They paid taxes and built the infrastructure that our neighbors to the south want to use like a condom.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 28, 2013 06:17 PM (l86i3)

452 Posted by: ergastularius at January 28, 2013 06:16 PM (tYgXE)

--Has to be a sock.

Posted by: logprof at January 28, 2013 06:17 PM (jVAw4)

453 --Oh great, another naive libertoid.
Posted by: logprof at January 28, 2013 06:16 PM (jVAw4)

Actually this is ok - as long as there is no welfare state.

You CANNOT have open borders and a welfare state, unless you want to quickly end up bankrupt...followed by politicians used as tree ornaments.

It appears that is the path the GOP wishes to follow.

So be it.

Posted by: blindside at January 28, 2013 06:17 PM (x7g7t)

454 "Instant amnesty, in exchange for nothing but a promise?"

We already have instant amnesty. Birthright citizenship. What now?


"The amnesty is instant and the border controlling will never come."

Well, if no one cares about border control, it probably won't come. Which is maybe why people should start caring about it.

"They're also increasingly pro-choice and liberal on social matters."

Yes. "Brown people" have low selfconfidence and are as adverse to psychological torture as anyone else. If we don't fight for these ideas, they won't either.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 28, 2013 06:17 PM (CHnHn)

455 449

l.o.l to that second sentence

Posted by: JDP at January 28, 2013 06:17 PM (60GaT)

456 Ray Lewis, the shy, quiet kid from Connestee Street, dealing with the pain of ailing grandmother

After Manti Teo it will be some time before people give a damn.

Posted by: Decaf at January 28, 2013 06:18 PM (NmvvV)

457 As long as his grandson makes Admiral he doesn't care if he's commanding the USS Hugo Chavez in 2038.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 06:15 PM (ZPrif)

That's a pretty fucking nasty thing to say.....

.....unfortunately I think you are correct, and that makes me sad.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 28, 2013 06:18 PM (GsoHv)

458 Even if I did, I'd still be for open borders. As a
general rule, I believe the free movement of goods and services is the
most essential prerequisite for prosperous trade. Bulldoze the border
and put up a sign that says "Bienvenidos! America is open for business!"
I also believe immigrants, especially those who wish to become
Americans, make us stronger.

Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 06:14 PM (Hz1zc)

So you'd fuck over Americans, already struggling to find jobs, because it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside? You'd fuck over the people paying taxes through the nose right now to add millions more to the 'takers' column?


Well aren't you a special snowflake.....or maybe just a flake.

Posted by: Tami at January 28, 2013 06:18 PM (X6akg)

459 Jordan@438,

You believe in open borders and the concept of States? How does that work?

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 28, 2013 06:18 PM (eHIJJ)

460 442 I always laugh when people talk about 11 million illegals. 11 million? Maybe in CA. Nationally, that has to be more in the 30-40 million range.

Thankyou.
I was thinking the same thing.

Since they've had no interest in catching them...how do they know how many there are?

Posted by: wheatie at January 28, 2013 06:19 PM (BZMZX)

461 'Mexican' isn't a race.

Posted by: blindside at January 28, 2013 06:16 PM (x7g7t)

Sure it is gringo. Now pay us or we'll picket.

Posted by: La Raza at January 28, 2013 06:19 PM (GsoHv)

462
Actually this is ok - as long as there is no welfare state.

You CANNOT have open borders and a welfare state, unless you want to quickly end up bankrupt...followed by politicians used as tree ornaments.

It appears that is the path the GOP wishes to follow.

So be it.

Posted by: blindside at January 28, 2013 06:17 PM (x7g7t)

--That's correct, but the pothead, dorm room 'toid naifs think that open borders would pay for the welfare state, not the other way around.

Posted by: logprof at January 28, 2013 06:19 PM (jVAw4)

463
"Immigration, World Poverty and Gumballs - Updated 2010"

An update to NumbersUSA viral1996 video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=LPjzfGChGlE

Posted by: Icedog at January 28, 2013 06:20 PM (PTS+l)

464 I also believe immigrants, especially those who wish to become

Americans, make us stronger.



Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 06:14 PM (Hz1zc)

_________

Oh yeah totally. All the people booing team USA when they're playing Mexico are great Americans that make us super duper strong and stuff.

http://tinyurl.com/7dj2tze


Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 28, 2013 06:20 PM (HDgX3)

465 Stopping the violation of the Second Amendment is first order of business.

Second is the fucking debt/fiscal issues.

After that, we can get around to the immigration issues, which we will embrace but not be ass fucked again by blanket amnesty. We support Senator Rubio and our colleagues in the Senate, and will be happy to review any proposals that actually make sense for the American people.

Sincerely,
House GOP.

Posted by: Prescient11 at January 28, 2013 06:20 PM (tVTLU)

466 Erg AND Jordan?

What a rare treat.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 06:21 PM (piMMO)

467 'Mexican' isn't a race.

Posted by: blindside at January 28, 2013 06:16 PM (x7g7t)


You are right. It's more like a shuffle.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 28, 2013 06:21 PM (l86i3)

468 --Has to be a sock.

Posted by: logprof at January 28, 2013 06:17 PM (jVAw4)


It can't be the realz erg loughner without calling us "knuckleheads" multiple times and addressing ace personally.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 28, 2013 06:21 PM (UK4h4)

469 454 Posted by: ergastularius at January 28, 2013 06:16 PM (tYgXE)
--Has to be a sock.
Posted by: logprof at January 28, 2013 06:17 PM (jVAw4)


Nope it seems to be the real erg.

Posted by: Mætenloch at January 28, 2013 06:21 PM (pAlYe)

470 KRLA 870 AM's Hugh Hewitt just claimed that 95% of Americans want what he wants, which amounts to blanket amnesty preceded by the usual calls for border security, etc. You're a right-wing nutter if you don't subscribe to Hugh's view point...according to Hugh. I wonder what Hugh will label us "nutters" when we refuse to support the GOP come 2014?

BTW, Hugh is going to interview that pillar of new conservatism, Marco Rubio, starting at 5:30 CST.

Posted by: WVinMN at January 28, 2013 06:22 PM (4Pleu)

471 462 Wheatie,

Well Marcus thinks he has it pegged and this ain't '86 and well "he's right."

In 1986 we were told 3/4 million illegals was a national tragedy and that we HAD to grant AMNESTY just this one time just the tip promise.....

we gained 3 million amigos!

So if my understanding of old King Math! is correct we just added 10% of our population more or less.

You want to know why i wish more people would break this nation up...Juan is the only force on Earth that can make good the Demcorats baby murder fetish.

They just undid Christianity's advantage.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 28, 2013 06:22 PM (LRFds)

472 In Malaysia, ethnic Malays get affirmative action even though they are the majority.

Whites are gonna keep getting fucked for the rest of time. They'll just go from hated majority to despised minority. The getting fucked part will be continuous.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 06:22 PM (ZPrif)

473 it's bad welfare state or no

it's a question of both how many people you can effectively assimilate at a time + economic stratification if you have huge amounts of people coming in

Posted by: JDP at January 28, 2013 06:22 PM (60GaT)

474 Well done young lady.

***


Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 06:22 PM (piMMO)

475 "I assume you don't have a job where you could be easily replaced by an immigrant." Even if I did, I'd still be for open borders.

So, you're unemployed then?

Posted by: Decaf at January 28, 2013 06:22 PM (NmvvV)

476 Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon.
http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 28, 2013 06:17 PM (l86i3)


Section 2, part C, subsections 4-7 of the official AOSHQ rulebook regulate the amount of emotional energy one can exert on a troll.

Poking it with a stick and mocking its small and flacid penis is of course unregulated, and is, in fact, encouraged.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 28, 2013 06:22 PM (GsoHv)

477 Hewitt sucks major cock on every issue except cutting spending.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 28, 2013 06:23 PM (UK4h4)

478 Sexypig- There are no unintended consequences. They want to fundamentally transform the USA into Northern Mexico, or Northern Brazil.

Posted by: Baldy at January 28, 2013 06:23 PM (opS9C)

479 No, I'm the real erg.

Posted by: ergie poo at January 28, 2013 06:23 PM (jVAw4)

480 Since they've had no interest in catching them...how do they know how many there are?

Posted by: wheatie at January 28, 2013 06:19 PM (BZMZX)


But it is a federal crime to lie to a census worker, so surely we have a correct count of all the current inhabitants of this country as of 2010.


Oh wait, these people are effing ILLEGAL aliens so maybe they might not obey the law...nah, that can't possibly happen.

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 28, 2013 06:23 PM (Cnqmv)

481 It can't be the realz erg loughner without calling us "knuckleheads" multiple times and addressing ace personally.

***

He already addressed his comment to Ace.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 06:23 PM (piMMO)

482 >Nope it seems to be the real erg.


Posted by: Mætenloch at January 28, 2013 06:21 PM (pAlYe)

I thought he got busted for child pornography

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 28, 2013 06:23 PM (8sCoq)

483 You know, I think I need to read something to cheer me up. Maybe some Sylvia Plath, some Dostoevsky, a little Camus.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Take us away. at January 28, 2013 06:23 PM (Gk3SS)

484 Hewitt sucks major cock on every issue except cutting spending.

****

And you know who that benefits?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 06:24 PM (piMMO)

485 Nope it seems to be the real erg.

Posted by: Mætenloch at January 28, 2013 06:21 PM (pAlYe)

It seems to have gotten stupider. But I didn't think that was possible.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 28, 2013 06:24 PM (GsoHv)

486 If welfare didn't exist I'd agree with you 100%. But welfare does exist
so please 'splain to me how you're going to pay welfare for another 10,
20 30, 50, 100 million Mexican and South American new citizens.


You're guessing low.

According to Gallup, 150 million adults (not including their children) say they'd like to immigrate to the US if they could:

http://tinyurl.com/6rtwczu

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- About 13% of the world's adults -- or more than 640
million people -- say they would like to leave their country
permanently. Roughly 150 million of them say they would like to move to
the U.S.


150 million, double that for their children. The US population is about 314 million.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 28, 2013 06:24 PM (SY2Kh)

487 454 MUMR,

There is no incentive for the party that has the media as its pawn or master I am not sure which anymore to ever stop the flow.

The GOP just blew our nation's brains out.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 28, 2013 06:24 PM (LRFds)

488 "Open immigration for the win. The more, the merrier."

So since I live in the People's Soviet Socialist Republic of Commiefornia, I have to laugh when I hear stupid shit like this.

The local liberal literati always sniff that it's "racist" to oppose mass immigration.

And then sometimes literally without even pausing for a single breath, they segue into denunciations of how "growth" is ruining the quality of life in Commiefornia with pollution and overcrowding and traffic and paving over wildland.

Dumbfuck much? The "growth" in question is essentially 100% driven by immigration.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 28, 2013 06:24 PM (gqT4g)

489 So is now a bad time to point out that the designers and supporters of Obamacare want it to collapse? The collapse of Obamacare is just the next step in the left's long game.


The Republican party is hopelessly outmatched.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 28, 2013 06:24 PM (4c71i)

490 "Stopping the violation of the Second Amendment is first order of business."

I think we're OK there. New gun control laws are going no where. Let it die and then the Republicans can introduce a bill overhauling mental health care and punishing violent crime to show how much they care.

Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 06:25 PM (Hz1zc)

491 "Hewitt sucks major cock on every issue except cutting spending."

you know part of my fear of Romney losing didn't have to do with Obama, but the state of the GOP in future elections

if they're just going to be deficit-counters who effectively agree with the Dems on a bunch of key issues, bleh

Posted by: JDP at January 28, 2013 06:25 PM (60GaT)

492 >You know, I think I need to read something to cheer me up. Maybe some Sylvia Plath, some Dostoevsky, a little Camus.


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Take us away. at January 28, 2013 06:23 PM (Gk3SS)

when I get cranky I watch Taxi Driver

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 28, 2013 06:25 PM (8sCoq)

493 He already addressed his comment to Ace.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 06:23 PM (piMMO)


I sit corrected.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 28, 2013 06:25 PM (UK4h4)

494 It's like slowly losing your grip on the edge from being sucked down a large drain.

Posted by: Soona at January 28, 2013 06:25 PM (DM+ui)

495 483 You know, I think I need to read something to cheer me up. Maybe some Sylvia Plath, some Dostoevsky, a little Camus.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Take us away. at January 28, 2013 06:23 PM (Gk3SS)

--Try Schopenhauer.

Posted by: ergie poo at January 28, 2013 06:25 PM (jVAw4)

496 Well I for one just want to say thank goodness for erg. The smelly hippy failed to reach his standard of stupidity and overall dickheadedness. It's good to have you back erg!!!

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 28, 2013 06:26 PM (l86i3)

497 Damn, I'm bad with socks today.

Posted by: logprof at January 28, 2013 06:26 PM (jVAw4)

498 This is great news, I hope it happens as it will accelerate the burnage.

Let. It. Burn.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at January 28, 2013 06:26 PM (zpqa2)

499 486 Hollowpoint,

Yup and hey guess what I'd support THAT sooner than this fucking bullshit.

The Mexicans are a democrat weapon aimed straight at the heart of American Freedom whereas the rest of the world would probably come here to work their asses off and try to help.

We lost, and if Canada and/or Oz falls the concept of Lockeian liberty is dead.


Posted by: sven10077 at January 28, 2013 06:26 PM (LRFds)

500 Niedermeyer's Dead Horse: "And you know who that benefits?"

The classics never die. I might add, however, that they are sometimes forgotten. I miss that quote.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 28, 2013 06:26 PM (eHIJJ)

501 "The Five" reported that in a recent poll, only 13% of Americans wanted illegals deported....and 65% favored amnesty. Anyone have any info on this poll? Was it conducted in Tijuana?

Posted by: Icedog at January 28, 2013 06:26 PM (PTS+l)

502 when I get cranky I watch Taxi Driver


Posted by: Jones in CO at January 28, 2013 06:25 PM (8sCoq)



You know, I am in the mood for a comedy. Maybe a double bill of Taxi Driver and The Seventh Seal.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Take us away. at January 28, 2013 06:27 PM (Gk3SS)

503 The Republican party is hopelessly outmatched.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 28, 2013 06:24 PM (4c71i)

_________________
It's the Yankees of the 1950s playing a AA team.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 28, 2013 06:27 PM (HDgX3)

504 "And then sometimes literally without even pausing for a single breath, they segue into denunciations of how "growth" is ruining the quality of life in Commiefornia with pollution and overcrowding and traffic and paving over wildland. Dumbfuck much? The "growth" in question is essentially 100% driven by immigration."

Growth is good. More immigrants lead to a growing population and a growing economy.

Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 06:27 PM (Hz1zc)

505 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Take us away. at January 28, 2013 06:23 PM (Gk3SS)

The Shipping News

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 28, 2013 06:28 PM (GsoHv)

506 @443
Thanks. I had to shower after that post.

If possible, I would like to use that credit to purchase a printed copy of a chart showing the net cost of illegal immigration on current and future generations of the American taxpayer. Which includes my kids and their kids and their kids etc. etc.

I would then like to carefully roll the paper chart into a small tube and stick up it Jordan's ass.

Thank you.

Posted by: T.Hunter - let it burn at January 28, 2013 06:28 PM (EZl54)

507
Posted by: torquewrench at January 28, 2013 06:24 PM (gqT4g)

And I like when they constantly call for more money "for the children" and the children that are trotted out for the photo ops are from south of the border. I know that Los Angeles is gone, but I am wondering how long Orange County can hang on. With the exception of Anaheim and Santa Ana, Orange County had been resistant to illegals taking over. Los Angeles County...not so much.

Posted by: I Be That Chick at January 28, 2013 06:28 PM (rLMKB)

508 150 million, double that for their children. The US population is about 314 million.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 28, 2013 06:24 PM (SY2Kh)

--Shit, that's lowball. I bet 20% of India and China and 50% of Africa would move here if they could. That's a billion at least.

Posted by: logprof at January 28, 2013 06:28 PM (jVAw4)

509 when I get cranky I watch Taxi Driver


Posted by: Jones in CO at January 28, 2013 06:25 PM (8sCoq)


Good choice; Deer Hunter also works.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 28, 2013 06:28 PM (UK4h4)

510 You know, I am in the mood for a comedy. Maybe a double bill of Taxi Driver and The Seventh Seal.

****

Seven

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 06:28 PM (piMMO)

511 504 Whoredan,

That's right whoredan so long as you get to micromanage every aspect of their fucking life it is all good eh amigo?

If I don't emigrate I am switching my registration to D and ratfucking you by backing the most batshit crazy illegal I can forever.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 28, 2013 06:29 PM (LRFds)

512 Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 06:27 PM (Hz1zc)

You're so cute when you pretend to know something.

How is California going to feed their new immigrants? You neo-Malthusian assholes have destroyed the Central Valley.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 28, 2013 06:29 PM (GsoHv)

513 Growth is good. More immigrants lead to a growing population and a growing economy.

Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 06:27 PM (Hz1zc)

--Not only is he unemployed, he's high.

Posted by: logprof at January 28, 2013 06:30 PM (jVAw4)

514 I smell a new Twitter tag

#CheeryMoviesForTheTrulyDepressed

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 06:30 PM (piMMO)

515 Jeff Flake already talking about expediting a "path to citizenship", so the concept of "permanent resident" appears to be a non-starter.

Hugh thinks a lot of Republicans are going to jump aboard the "immigration train".

Hugh pushing for granting children of illegals school vouchers...yes he is.

Jeff Flake thinks that a Bill will be put to a vote sometime between March and May. Still time to stop this train wreck.



Posted by: WVinMN at January 28, 2013 06:30 PM (4Pleu)

516 Interesting thing is that hispanic birthrates, particularly mexican, have dropped dramatically.

And i mean pretty much below replacement rate.

And conservatives fail to understand that mexico violently controls its southern border.

Very complicated issue, but if we can do something decent, then I say we give it a shot. and rubio, cruz, martinez, and all other hispanic representatives of the GOP should be on every fucking hispanic media, speaking in spanish, to get the message out.

The GOP is an incredibly diverse bunch, both in ideas and backgrounds.

It just never gets out there.

Posted by: Prescient11 at January 28, 2013 06:30 PM (tVTLU)

517 I will agree to amnesty under one condition. That I get to be overlord.

Posted by: Soona at January 28, 2013 06:30 PM (DM+ui)

518 "How is California going to feed their new immigrants? You neo-Malthusian assholes have destroyed the Central Valley."

Looked fine last I was there. Overflowing fields of crops from horizon to horizon.

Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 06:30 PM (Hz1zc)

519 Gang of 8? There are about 6 I wouldn't trust to shine my shoes.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at January 28, 2013 06:31 PM (X/+QT)

520
@How is California going to feed their new immigrants?

Soylent Green is illegals.

Posted by: T.Hunter - let it burn at January 28, 2013 06:31 PM (EZl54)

521 I smell a new Twitter tag

#CheeryMoviesForTheTrulyDepressed
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 06:30 PM (piMMO)


Excellent, I think I will watch while you were sleeping. Anything with Sandra bullock is awesome.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 28, 2013 06:31 PM (l86i3)

522 Jeff Flake thinks that a Bill will be put to a vote sometime between March and May. Still time to stop this train wreck.

***

I am so disappointed in Flake.

He has so many good things going for him.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 06:31 PM (piMMO)

523 "Old Boy" is some good clean happy family fun!

Posted by: Icedog at January 28, 2013 06:31 PM (PTS+l)

524 One thing Obama convinced me to do -- remove myself from the organ donor list. At this point I hate the median American citizen, so I'll be damned if one of those gutter worms get to use my organs after I'm dead. Fuck em.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 06:32 PM (ZPrif)

525 "487 454 MUMR,

There is no incentive for the party that has the media as its pawn or master I am not sure which anymore to ever stop the flow.

The GOP just blew our nation's brains out.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 28, 2013 06:24 PM (LRFds) "

Well, the first part is definitely true. Which is why Conservatives/Republicans have to do something about the Media and have to push for border enforcement, in an intelligent manner, emphasizing assimilation (and not being cynical about it.)

Politicians usually care about their own power and are relatively competent at maintaining / assuring it. I assume the GOP knows what it's doing (when it comes to politicking.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 28, 2013 06:32 PM (CHnHn)

526 "This is great news, I hope it happens as it will accelerate the burnage. Let. It. Burn."

Love it

Posted by: Andrew at January 28, 2013 06:32 PM (HS3dy)

527 514 I smell a new Twitter tag

#CheeryMoviesForTheTrulyDepressed

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 06:30 PM (piMMO)

--Since we mentioned the dingo fence earlier, there's Rabbitproof Fence. I've seen that and it's a lighthearted, campy romp.

(Do I need the /s?)

Posted by: logprof at January 28, 2013 06:32 PM (jVAw4)

528 Growth is good. More immigrants lead to a growing population and a growing economy.

That is only true if you have amanufacturing-based growing economy. What you have here is a growth in food stamps economy. Unsustainable.

Posted by: Decaf at January 28, 2013 06:32 PM (NmvvV)

529 Growth is good. More immigrants lead to a growing population and a growing economy.

Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 06:27 PM (Hz1zc)

_____________
Highly skilled, educated, English speaking immigrants do. 3rd World illiterate peasants don't. Why is it so hard for you to distinguish between the two groups?

Bring in an engineer from India or Russia and that engineer will better America.

Bring in a 4th grade dropout from Mexico and you get ZERO value add to the country. In fact you get a negative since that guy will be on welfare for decades as will his children and grandchildren.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 28, 2013 06:32 PM (HDgX3)

530 Excellent, I think I will watch while you were sleeping. Anything with Sandra bullock is awesome.


****


Uh. I LIKE Sandra Bullock!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 06:32 PM (piMMO)

531 http://bit.ly/VMZen8

JEF lip synch

Posted by: sTevo at January 28, 2013 06:32 PM (VMcEw)

532
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 28, 2013 06:29 PM (GsoHv)


Last time I drove up north to visit my step-brother, the Central Valley looked like the Dust Bowl had been through. And Victor Davis Hanson is always writing about the theft and destruction that the illegals have wrought on the area and state for that matter.

Posted by: I Be That Chick at January 28, 2013 06:32 PM (rLMKB)

533 "The GOP is an incredibly diverse bunch, both in ideas and backgrounds."

There is, on this issue, and it makes me hopeful.

Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 06:33 PM (Hz1zc)

534 (Do I need the /s?)

***

NOPE!

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 06:33 PM (piMMO)

535
>>>The Republican party is hopelessly outmatched.<<<

Nah, they're all on the same team.


Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 28, 2013 06:33 PM (p/cQy)

536 "Looked fine last I was there. Overflowing fields of crops from horizon to horizon."

yeah i've driven down the I5 too, i'm an expert

Posted by: JDP at January 28, 2013 06:33 PM (60GaT)

537 471...In 1986 we were told 3/4 million illegals was a national tragedy and that we HAD to grant AMNESTY just this one time just the tip promise.....
we gained 3 million amigos!


I think it ended up being even more than that, sven.
Closer to 6 million, iirc.

All they had to do, was show up and sign up for it...within a certain time limit.

So if they are saying "11 million" this time...it is probably going to end up being at least twice that.

Anouncing an 'Amnesty' program tends to serve as a big draw, for even more border-jumpers.

Posted by: wheatie at January 28, 2013 06:33 PM (BZMZX)

538 Somewhere in one of my boxes I've got a copy of Hugh Hewitt's "Painting the Map Red" that I bought for kicks. If he ever passes through town I'd like to get him to sign it. Never did get "A Mormon in the White House?", though.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at January 28, 2013 06:33 PM (nZvGM)

539 @I assume the GOP knows what it's doing (when it comes to politicking.

Dude.

Posted by: T.Hunter - let it burn at January 28, 2013 06:33 PM (EZl54)

540 The GOP is an incredibly diverse bunch, both in ideas and backgrounds. It just never gets out there.
Posted by: Prescient11 at January 28, 2013 06:30 PM (tVTLU)


------------------------------------------------


Yeah. Too bad.

Posted by: MFM and Public Education at January 28, 2013 06:34 PM (DM+ui)

541
Uh. I LIKE Sandra Bullock!
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 06:32 PM (piMMO)


I was cereal, I have the DVD.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 28, 2013 06:34 PM (l86i3)

542 524 One thing Obama convinced me to do -- remove myself from the organ donor list. At this point I hate the median American citizen, so I'll be damned if one of those gutter worms get to use my organs after I'm dead. Fuck em.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 06:32 PM (ZPrif)

--Is it possible to leave something to a family member in need in one's will?

Posted by: logprof at January 28, 2013 06:34 PM (jVAw4)

543 Jordan, I must say, you're a bit naive. Why don't we just annex Mexico then and make them the 51st state? I'm sure they'd be all for it.

Posted by: Andrew at January 28, 2013 06:34 PM (HS3dy)

544
Please, sir, I want some more...of your political class ideas shoved up my bum.

Posted by: Oliver Twist - What He Also Said, Volume One at January 28, 2013 06:34 PM (F6KtL)

545 I was cereal, I have the DVD.

****

Jeff Daniels is really good in that one.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 06:35 PM (piMMO)

546 Jordan,

Answer the question amigo.

How does a Mexican with no education or skills add value to the USA?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 28, 2013 06:35 PM (HDgX3)

547 Uh. I LIKE Sandra Bullock!
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 06:32 PM (piMMO)


I was cereal, I have the DVD.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 28, 2013 06:34 PM (l86i3)

My dirty little secret, I love chick flicks.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 28, 2013 06:35 PM (l86i3)

548

"Looked fine last I was there. Overflowing fields of crops from horizon to horizon."

Hot Damn it's an infinite cornucopian hunk of swellness.


Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 28, 2013 06:36 PM (Yk2LN)

549
One thing Obama convinced me to do -- remove myself from the organ donor list. At this point I hate the median American citizen, so I'll be damned if one of those gutter worms get to use my organs after I'm dead. Fuck em.

Heh. I have cataracts, a couple of broken teeth, extra plumbing on my heart and a liver that can be used as a doorstop. Plus, I smoke.

They'll be hard pressed to find anything of mine that works.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 28, 2013 06:36 PM (+z4pE)

550 All of Obama’s inauguration rabbis were members of the same radical leftist groups opposed to Israel and funded by George Soros. This isn’t a wacky coincidence because the J Street Rabbinic cabinet isn’t that big. Instead Obama deliberately picked three extremist left-wing clergy, “Rabbi” Rick Jacobs, “Rabbi” Julie Schonfeld and “Rabbi” Sharon Brous.

Jacobs and Brous are or were members of the J Street Rabbinic Cabinet, an Anti-Israel organization funded by George Soros. The “Rabbinic” part is a name only as these people are not legitimate clergy, they are left-wing activists dedicated to the destruction of Israel and Judaism.

Rick Jacobs was involved in the New Israel Fund, another extremist left-wing group which funds groups that boycott Israel. Julie Schonfeld was also involved with the NIF and was on the advisory committee for Jewish Funds for Justice. Rick Jacobs was on that same advisory committee.

Jewish Funds for Justice is an extreme left-wing group very closely tied to the Soros family. Soros’ son sits on the board of the merged organization of JFJ and the Progressive Jewish Alliance.

See this is personal for me. I hate Jews like this and would like to meet them all behind the gym, as we used to do in my day.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 28, 2013 06:36 PM (9Bj8R)

551 I can still donate my organs if I want. To friends family or someone I care for. I just took myself off the first-come, first-serve (unless you are Steve Jobs) organ donation system you sign up for when you get a driver's license.

Also don't want to give the Obamacare nazis an excuse to harvest me early.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 06:36 PM (ZPrif)

552 You know who this devastation benefits? Mitt Romney.

Posted by: Hugh Hewitt VI, surveying the bombed out wastelands of Old New York at January 28, 2013 06:36 PM (QTHTd)

553 What I am saying is, though, is that the waves and waves of Mexican immigration are not happening.

Zero's main plus is that he has so fucked our economy, migration across the border is actually fucking negative.

We are not likely to see such mass immigration as we did because they just aren't making that many fucking mexicans anymore. And they effectively, or pretty much, wall of their south because it is so much of a nightmare down taht way as well.

so what our elected fucking scumbag pols lack the stomach for, appears to happen or be happening fairly naturally.

Posted by: Prescient11 at January 28, 2013 06:36 PM (tVTLU)

554 re: GOP being outmatched.

See e.g., Tom Delay or Newt!

We let our leaders with balls get sun out of town through phony scandals and constant donk harassment.

The donks are destroying our leadership class, leaving us with Doles, McCains, and Boehners.

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at January 28, 2013 06:36 PM (QxSug)

555 My dirty little secret, I love chick flicks.

Then a couple you must see if you haven't already. Both star Kevin Bacon:

He Said, She Said

She's Having A Baby (Excellent!)

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 06:36 PM (piMMO)

556
Yep, heard Flake on the radio, this is a done deal. And they won't enforce borders. Oh, now Rubio just popped on. He is talking the same language, all 'recommendations' and 'certifications' for border control.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 28, 2013 06:36 PM (p/cQy)

557 "How does a Mexican with no education or skills add value to the USA?"

All people, including Americans start out with no education or skills. If people come to America to get educated, get skills, get jobs, it's a good thing for us and for those people.

Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 06:37 PM (Hz1zc)

558 We lost this country already. Why dress up a corpse?

Would be better to get on with what's next, rather than attempting to drag our feet and wear out our boots in the process. There's no stopping it, only delaying it and increasing the amount of time we have to live under these conditions.

Let them live out their fantasy and see what happens.

I don't enjoy pain but pain is all that will get through to the utopians and make them see the truth.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at January 28, 2013 06:37 PM (zpqa2)

559 525 MUMR,

My vote is for something more than my Representatives and two Senators' pensions thanks.

I was willing to fight for liberty here until I realized there are not enough to watch my back and frankly the GOP is willfully sending the donks reinforcements.

I would not empower the GOP to try to outfreeshit natives vis a vis the DNC why should I import agenda driven American hating aliens to make good the donk demographic hole to be bombarded with what in the end is outfreeshitting the DNC....?

This gun's retired.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 28, 2013 06:37 PM (LRFds)

560 Jeff Daniels is really good in that one.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 06:35 PM (piMMO)

I thought it was Bill Pullman?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 28, 2013 06:37 PM (l86i3)

561 If it was up my ass, I'd know.

Posted by: Twisted Jordan - What He Also Said, Volume One at January 28, 2013 06:37 PM (EZl54)

562 You know who this Vandal invasion benefits? Mitt Romney.

Posted by: Hughius Dickus Hewittus, 455 AD at January 28, 2013 06:37 PM (QTHTd)

563 Jordan, stick to abstract concepts. Your lying is obvious when you assert that the Central Valley in CA is overflowing with abundance.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 28, 2013 06:37 PM (4c71i)

564 but yeah, it makes sense with huge unemployment to bring in people to undercut the native population and to send the bulk of their money back to the home country.

7-11 loves this scam. They sell the phone cards and probably supplies the western union money transfers as well, plus all the $1 scratchers.

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at January 28, 2013 06:37 PM (QxSug)

565 The libs need the next grievance group to crank up for the 2014 election cycle. The gays are getting everything they want and the war on women thing is petering out.

Republicans will 2 choices, go for amnesty and be in a permanent minority or not do it and be called bigots. Of course they will be called bigots either way probably.

And our "best and brightest" are buying right into it. I guess I am wondering why a Conservative in this day and age should even engage in politics. It just pisses us off and there is no light at the end of the tunnel.

Posted by: Ken Royall at January 28, 2013 06:38 PM (x0g8a)

566 "How does a Mexican with no education or skills add value to the USA?"

There are lots of jobs that require no education or skills. Ask McD's or your local catfish farm if they benefit from unskilled labor.

Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 06:38 PM (Hz1zc)

567 "So if they are saying "11 million" this time...it is probably going to end up being at least twice that."


This could be profoundly epic. What % of those are in Texas? And other states like Arizona? This could seriously fuck the south. say 1/4 are in Texas. So potentially 5 million new voters in Texas? New Democrat voters.


You know, depending on the aftermath Rubio just might be due for a serious ass beating.

Posted by: Andrew at January 28, 2013 06:38 PM (HS3dy)

568 You know, I think I'm really late to this party, but I want to confess.

Four years ago (and in some cases, longer) some very alarmist voices started popping up here. I never dreamed they were anything more than tin-foil types. I mean, martial law? Repealing the 22nd? Confiscating guns? Please. That shit just doesn't happen in the States.

Yet here we are, in 2013, actively discussing amongst ourselves whether or not we are actually willing to die on this hill. Not in some romantic metaphorical sense, but in a stone-cold literal one. That's scary.

What's scarier is that those alarmist voices don't sound alarmist anymore. They sound practical. It can be easily argued, through well-supported empirical and tangible facts that Obama's entire Presidency has been leading to this: the disarming and enslaving of the populace.

The media has become an arm of the government in a sense never before seen. Bias we've seen. Advocacy and collusion we haven't - not on this scale.

The takers have overpowered the makers in terms of voting demographics and planted our economy into what is - in my eyes - an unrecoverable spin.

The government has begun making all the moves one would expect if they were to declare themselves above the people. They are positioned to declare us their subjects, and half of the country is screaming in ecstasy. The other half is marveling at how easily it's happened, mourning the Republic, and quietly preparing for what looks more and more likely to be the inevitable showdown.

When I swore my oath, I always knew it was possible for me to die defending my country. I just never imagined it was possible for me to die defending it from my government.

And so to the question: Is this a hill I'm willing to die on? Is this a hill I'm willing to spill my blood in the literal sense of the word? When the metal meets the meat, am I prepared to give my live protecting my country from itself?

Yes.


Posted by: Washington Nearsider at January 28, 2013 06:38 PM (DZqR0)

569 I thought it was Bill Pullman?

***

It is.

It's an old joke about how nobody can tell them apart.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 06:38 PM (piMMO)

570 The most telling story about what a dumb cocksucker McCain is concerns his conversion to believing the Global Warming scam by having a long conservation with some nut in a Polar Bear suit

And that is why we are here today

Posted by: TexasJew at January 28, 2013 06:38 PM (lD8ju)

571 Erg AND Jordan?



What a rare treat.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 06:21 PM (piMMO)


It's the bizarro world version of the troll Pro Bowl.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 28, 2013 06:39 PM (UK4h4)

572 President Barack Obama will fly over 9 hours tomorrow, round-trip from Washington, D.C. to Las Vegas, Nevada, just to deliver a speech on immigration, according to the president's White House schedule. With Air Force One estimated to cost $182,000 per hour in flight, Obama's trip--that is, only his travel to and from Vegas--will cost taxpayers over $1.6 million.

Obama has no other public events scheduled in Las Vegas but his immigration speech.

"In the morning, the President will depart the White House en route Las Vegas, Nevada. The departure from the South Lawn and the arrival at McCarran International Airport are open press," the president's schedule reads.

"While in Las Vegas, the President will deliver remarks on the need to fix the broken immigration system so that it is fairer for and helps grow the middle class by ensuring everyone plays by the same rules. The President's remarks at Del Sol High School are open to pre-credentialed media.

"In the evening, the President will depart Las Vegas, Nevada en route Washington, DC. The departure from McCarran International Airport and the arrival on the South Lawn are open press."


???? How does fucking with immigration grow the middle class?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 28, 2013 06:39 PM (9Bj8R)

573
>>> it's a good thing for us and for those people.

I'll tell you this.

I am looking forward to the ease with which I will be able to shop for oranges in the near future.

Posted by: garrett at January 28, 2013 06:39 PM (ILsje)

574
Uh. I LIKE Sandra Bullock!

B'Gal and I watched Love Potion #9 a couple of nights ago. Cute chick flick.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 28, 2013 06:39 PM (+z4pE)

575 533 Whoredan,

fuck you you marxist asshole.

Love Locke hate Marx that's my fucking tribe not the goddamned wrapper.

Fuck you seriously I look forward to the boning whether I escape or not.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 28, 2013 06:39 PM (LRFds)

576
If it was up my ass, I'd know.
-----------------------------------------
That would be my staffer's dick in your ass...

Posted by: Senator Menendez at January 28, 2013 06:39 PM (F6KtL)

577 I am listening to Mark Levin right now and he is doing his darnedest to not criticize his favorite Senator Marco Rubio. So pathetic.

Posted by: I Be That Chick at January 28, 2013 06:39 PM (rLMKB)

578 Sven,


That's the best idea yet - register D and vote for the bat shittiest craziest whackjob shit available. Count me in, I'm tired of working for a living.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 28, 2013 06:39 PM (4c71i)

579 553
What I am saying is, though, is that the waves and waves of Mexican immigration are not happening.



Posted by: Prescient11 at January 28, 2013 06:36 PM (tVTLU)

_________
So the GOP has to grant amnesty to illegals because Mexicans are the largest growing population block. But don't worry about doing so, because the waves and waves of immigration is a figment of your imagination.

do you realize how idiotic yous sound?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 28, 2013 06:39 PM (HDgX3)

580 Steve Jobs bought a new liver from Tennessee. Gave the hospital a massive donation and --boom- was made an honorary resident and magically jumped to the head of the line.

Which meant some poor schmuck in Nashville died waiting for a liver.

But Steve Jobs -- who already had terminal cancer -- got to stick around 18 more months.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 28, 2013 06:39 PM (ZPrif)

581 "What I am saying is, though, is that the waves and waves of Mexican immigration are not happening."

i don't really view "the economy's bad, so now's the time to strike" as a compelling argument

the economy will not always be bad + it's not like the U.S. isn't still attractive for people who may decide to come here in hopes of a future amnesty repeat

Posted by: JDP at January 28, 2013 06:39 PM (60GaT)

582 Someone told me about how amnesty was a very bad thing but I can't remember ...
Wait , let me pull a few of these numbers out of my ass....

Oh yes ! Amnesty is bad ! How handy!

Thanks AOS!


Posted by: Twisted Jordan - What He Also Said, Volume One at January 28, 2013 06:40 PM (EZl54)

583 557
"How does a Mexican with no education or skills add value to the USA?"



All people, including Americans start out with no education or
skills. If people come to America to get educated, get skills, get jobs,
it's a good thing for us and for those people.


Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 06:37 PM (Hz1zc



Jeeeeeebuz...I already have a sinus headache, and it just went to eleventy.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 28, 2013 06:40 PM (UOM48)

584 557 "How does a Mexican with no education or skills add value to the USA?"
All people, including Americans start out with no education or skills. If people come to America to get educated, get skills, get jobs, it's a good thing for us and for those people.
Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 06:37 PM (Hz1zc)


Thought question for Jordan: If open borders is such a clear win economically why has *no* modern state adopted it?

Posted by: Mætenloch at January 28, 2013 06:40 PM (pAlYe)

585 Heh. I have cataracts, a couple of broken teeth, extra plumbing on my heart and a liver that can be used as a doorstop. Plus, I smoke.They'll be hard pressed to find anything of mine that works.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 28, 2013 06:36 PM (+z4pE)


--------------------------------------------------


Yeah. What's the purpose of dying with perfectly pink lungs?


Posted by: Soona at January 28, 2013 06:40 PM (DM+ui)

586 There are lots of jobs that require no education or
skills. Ask McD's or your local catfish farm if they benefit from
unskilled labor.

Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 06:38 PM (Hz1zc)

__________
That is not an answer to my question.

Try again. How does a Mexican with no skills and no education add value to the USA?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 28, 2013 06:40 PM (HDgX3)

587 The main page is not loading for me. Is anyone else having problems with it?

Posted by: Decaf at January 28, 2013 06:40 PM (NmvvV)

588 "There are lots of jobs that require no education or skills. Ask McD's or
your local catfish farm if they benefit from unskilled labor."

Last time I looked McDs wasn't having a hard time finding people. What about all the farmers benefiting from super cheap labor that will now have to pay minimum wage and employment taxes?

Posted by: Andrew at January 28, 2013 06:40 PM (HS3dy)

589
There are lots of jobs that require no education or skills. Ask McD's or your local catfish farm if they benefit from unskilled labor.
Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 06:38 PM (Hz1zc)

Our laid off white collar 50 somethings are feeding themselves with those jobs. When your mommy and daddy's 401K drys up, you are fucked. Enjoy working at Tyrone Velvets glory hole emporium.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 28, 2013 06:41 PM (l86i3)

590 what do illegals add? They vote donk. That is all that matters. The donks have taken democracy to its logical conclusion, farming voters. A vote is a vote, whether it comes from a somali fresh off the boat, living on public assistance and doesn't speak the lingo or if it comes from a well-educated guy from a family that signed the declaration of Ind.

The donks see the PRI and say, we want those kind of committed voters.

Everything else is BS. We have low skilled workers here who should be doing these jobs.

As anne coulter says, their alleged cheapness of wage expectations hide how much they live off of the system.

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at January 28, 2013 06:41 PM (QxSug)

591 Speaking of Bill Pullman, I really do need to watch Zero Effect again. I haven't in awhile and I do love that movie.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Take us away. at January 28, 2013 06:41 PM (Gk3SS)

592 570 TexasJew,

That is true, so very true. The GOP of the '80s realized they were the only force containing batshit crazy retards so they learned to take us for granted...when finally the discovered they couldn't they embraced their inner donks and now the boning begins full speed.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 28, 2013 06:41 PM (LRFds)

593 "559 525 MUMR,

My vote is for something more than my Representatives and two Senators' pensions thanks.

I was willing to fight for liberty here until I realized there are not enough to watch my back and frankly the GOP is willfully sending the donks reinforcements.

I would not empower the GOP to try to outfreeshit natives vis a vis the DNC why should I import agenda driven American hating aliens to make good the donk demographic hole to be bombarded with what in the end is outfreeshitting the DNC....?

This gun's retired.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 28, 2013 06:37 PM (LRFds) "

It is what it is. Hispanics are just people. We can talk to people.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 28, 2013 06:41 PM (CHnHn)

594 557
"How does a Mexican with no education or skills add value to the USA?"



All people, including Americans start out with no education or
skills. If people come to America to get educated, get skills, get jobs,
it's a good thing for us and for those people.

Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 06:37 PM (Hz1zc)

__________________________
Yes right you are because that education and training is free!!!
Are you really this naive?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 28, 2013 06:41 PM (HDgX3)

595 Fox News alert on my phone:

Congress ok's $50.5B Sandy aid bill

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 06:41 PM (piMMO)

596
Jordons an idiot. People don't immigrate for those past reasons anymore, they immigrate to the US to take advantage of social benefits. If it was the other things, the would immigrate legally.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 28, 2013 06:42 PM (p/cQy)

597 New thread up

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 06:42 PM (piMMO)

598 567 "So if they are saying "11 million" this time...it is probably going to end up being at least twice that."
This could be profoundly epic. What % of those are in Texas? And other states like Arizona? This could seriously fuck the south. say 1/4 are in Texas. So potentially 5 million new voters in Texas? New Democrat voters.
You know, depending on the aftermath Rubio just might be due for a serious ass beating.

-------------

Uh oh.
They're starting to figure this out.

Quick! We gotta ram this thing through, fast!

Posted by: The DNC at January 28, 2013 06:42 PM (BZMZX)

599 "There are lots of jobs that require no education or skills. Ask McD's or your local catfish farm if they benefit from unskilled labor.


Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 06:38 PM (Hz1zc)"



If McD's or catfish farms aren't hiring (and they aren't), then what genius?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 28, 2013 06:42 PM (4c71i)

600 Really, you're trying to reason with stoner retard Jordan?

Why?

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 28, 2013 06:43 PM (K+WLg)

601 We don't have catfish farms down here, dipshit, but we sure have a lot of knocked up 15 year old girls from Juarez dropping their babies in taxpayer funded ER rooms

Shut the fuck up if you don't know what you're talking about

Posted by: TexasJew at January 28, 2013 06:43 PM (lD8ju)

602 "Four years ago (and in some cases, longer) some very alarmist voices started popping up here."

Guilty as charged.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at January 28, 2013 06:43 PM (zpqa2)

603 catfish farming is a job Americans just won't do, yo

Posted by: JDP at January 28, 2013 06:43 PM (60GaT)

604
I LIKE Sandra Bullock!

Not as much as she likes me!

Posted by: Dirty Sanchez at January 28, 2013 06:44 PM (ILsje)

605 I don't recall this debate during the election. I thought we voted to keep tampons from becoming illegal, not to flood the country with new democrats?

Also, the population is what? 320 million? We've add 50 million new people to this country in 20 years. WTF, where is the need for more new people?

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at January 28, 2013 06:44 PM (QxSug)

606
wtf?
who the fuck is this Jordan?
hey shitbag, I am 1/2 Mexican (my mom's from mexico city)
all of us kids have masters except for my youngest sister who holds her phd from MIT
so explain this "uneducated Mexican" thing for me

Posted by: navycopjoe at January 28, 2013 06:44 PM (IcRnr)

607 Hey you all, Jordan would have no reason to lie about seeing all those crop fields. No reason at all.

Posted by: Walter Duranty at January 28, 2013 06:44 PM (F6KtL)

608 I am listening to Mark Levin right now and he is
doing his darnedest to not criticize his favorite Senator Marco Rubio.
So pathetic.

Posted by: I Be That Chick at January 28, 2013 06:39 PM (rLMKB)


Tammy Bruce (whose online broadcasts I've been unable to link to for the last 2 weeks; maybe she's locking out non-subscribers) has hated Rubio since Day 1; as she did fat fuck Christie when lots of my fellow morons were fellating him almost as much as Coulter still does.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 28, 2013 06:44 PM (UK4h4)

609 Congress ok's $50.5B Sandy aid bill
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 06:41 PM (piMMO)

Oh Great, more rich pols family cleaning up. And WTF, lets rebuild on moving sands.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 28, 2013 06:44 PM (l86i3)

610 577 I am listening to Mark Levin right now and he is doing his darnedest to not criticize his favorite Senator Marco Rubio. So pathetic.

Posted by: I Be That Chick at January 28, 2013 06:39 PM (rLMKB)

--Rubio has called into his show many times. Levin is pretty consistent about not wanting to blast someone unilaterally as long as there's a chance they could be on the show and respond to criticism in real time. He's done it with Newt and Mitt despite not being 100% in agreement with those guys. Obviously, this only goes for R(INO)s, not Demotards.

Posted by: logprof at January 28, 2013 06:45 PM (jVAw4)

611 Fox News alert on my phone:

Congress ok's $50.5B Sandy aid bill
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 28, 2013 06:41 PM (piMMO)

And that there eats up ALL the increase revenues from obama's big tax increase on the rich. NEXT

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 28, 2013 06:45 PM (9Bj8R)

612 What I am saying is, though, is that the waves and waves of Mexican immigration are not happening.

Zero's main plus is that he has so fucked our economy, migration across the border is actually fucking negative.

We are not likely to see such mass immigration as we did because they just aren't making that many fucking mexicans anymore. And they effectively, or pretty much, wall of their south because it is so much of a nightmare down taht way as well.

so what our elected fucking scumbag pols lack the stomach for, appears to happen or be happening fairly naturally.Posted by: Prescient11 at January 28, 2013 06:36 PM (tVTLU)
Um, you need to actually come down here to the border. The Tucson sector has been just as active as it has ever been. Its just the USBP hasn't been trying real hard to catch them. If you don't catch them, you can't report large numbers caught, and your politician bosses get to go on TV and pat themselves on the back for being such a great deterent.They are still coming, sports fans. And the cartels are the ones bringing them across.

Posted by: AZ Hi Desert (All my Hate cannot be found) at January 28, 2013 06:46 PM (ial2b)

613 501


"The Five" reported that in a recent poll, only 13% of Americans wanted
illegals deported....and 65% favored amnesty. Anyone have any info on
this poll? Was it conducted in Tijuana?


Posted by: Icedog at January 28, 2013 06:26 PM (PTS+l)

My guess is that it was a poll of the Senate.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke's solid gold diaphragm at January 28, 2013 06:47 PM (7xeJQ)

614 Washington Nearsider:

Defending the Second Amendment is that hill. In my opinion. There is no debate. There simply is not one simple fact on the side of more gun control laws.

On the other side is the fundamental right of a free citizen's existence.

The AWB 2.0 is just another affront to our God given rights. I was too young in 1994 to understand.

I sure as fuck understand now. And I will not sit idly by.

Mr. Moo Moo:

yes, yes, yes. I agree. All I am saying is that, just as with the massive irish/german immigration back in the day, the waves of the mexican immigration seem to be stemming a bit. and NO ONE seems to appreciate that the fucking mexican government actually does a good job in shutting off the rest of central and south america from swarming the border. which is a very good benefit to us.

Posted by: Prescient11 at January 28, 2013 06:47 PM (tVTLU)

615 "they immigrate to the US to take advantage of social benefits. If it was the other things, the would immigrate legally."

That doesn't make sense. If they wanted to take advantage of entitlements, they would immigrate legally and cash their checks every month like the Tea Party does on the way to IHOP. Illegal immigrants have no access to programs like social security or unemployment. Although, come to think of it, I've never known an illegal immigrant who stayed unemployed for long.

Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 06:47 PM (Hz1zc)

616
612 we have illegals from mexico here in Hawaii
forget the rio grande..
THEY'RE SWIMMING ACROSS THE PACIFIC!!!

Posted by: navycopjoe at January 28, 2013 06:48 PM (IcRnr)

617 606

wtf?
who the fuck is this Jordan?
hey shitbag, I am 1/2 Mexican (my mom's from mexico city)
all of us kids have masters except for my youngest sister who holds her phd from MIT
so explain this "uneducated Mexican" thing for me

Posted by: navycopjoe at January 28, 2013 06:44 PM (IcRnr)

+++++++
STFU. You're the exception. You know very well the overwhelming majority of illegals can barely write their names. If they had a PhD from MIT they wouldn't be crossing the Rio Grande to work at Wendy's.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 28, 2013 06:48 PM (HDgX3)

618 I'm wore the heck out. I love use guys and girls, even you erg. You help us understand the mental deficiencies of our enemies. Later.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 28, 2013 06:48 PM (l86i3)

619
Fuck it all. Let it burn.

Posted by: Ernie McCracken at January 28, 2013 06:48 PM (ZETiK)

620 Senator Rubio Doesn't Care About Gay Latinos

Posted by: Future NYTimes op-ed at January 28, 2013 06:48 PM (60GaT)

621 "hey shitbag, I am 1/2 Mexican (my mom's from mexico city)
all of us kids have masters except for my youngest sister who holds her phd from MIT"


I think we should have a rule that anybody with a degree of any kind moves to the head of the immigration line. In fact, let's just change the rule so that it's a requirement period.


I don't have a problem with a guest worker problem at all... what ever happened to that idea? Make it legal, track them, but they don't get to vote, and they don't get benefits.

Posted by: Andrew at January 28, 2013 06:49 PM (HS3dy)

622 Senator Rubio Doesn't Care About Gay Latinos
Posted by: Future NYTimes op-ed at January 28, 2013 06:48 PM (60GaT)

Whats your point?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 28, 2013 06:49 PM (l86i3)

623 "cash their checks every month like the Tea Party does on the way to IHOP"

ooh zing

Posted by: JDP at January 28, 2013 06:49 PM (60GaT)

624 "Estamos Chingados"
I hope not. And I'm torn about all this. But even I do forsee Democratic control for awhile, unless the American people, aided by an objective media, do some serious soul searching about what works. Oh wait....
Yeah, estamos chingados

Posted by: Danny at January 28, 2013 06:49 PM (Tygvi)

625 yes, yes, yes. I agree. All I am saying is that,
just as with the massive irish/german immigration back in the day, the
waves of the mexican immigration seem to be stemming a bit. and NO ONE
seems to appreciate that the fucking mexican government actually does a
good job in shutting off the rest of central and south america from
swarming the border. which is a very good benefit to us.

Posted by: Prescient11 at January 28, 2013 06:47 PM (tVTLU)

_________
The difference was the Irish/Germans that came here didn't demand the country turn into Ireland or Germany.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 28, 2013 06:49 PM (HDgX3)

626
621 its there....its just that the feds don't want to enforce the existing laws cause its easy votes

617 ummm, my dick, your mouth....some assembly required

Posted by: navycopjoe at January 28, 2013 06:51 PM (IcRnr)

627 593 MUMR,

They are double people mi amigo....

do I get to vote in Mexico or go down and try to turn the little shithole around with my vote or send loot back to America?

I'd make that argument but don't look now Billy Ayers is national schoolmaster...

nope this gun's retired try to make a go of something or not the GOP took my anxiety on their caving on guns being possible and just told me win or lose the whole bill of rights will have Charles Schumer "modifying it" within 8-12 years.

Nope we're fucked time to decide how far I am willing to go solo and with a group.

I am not gonna be a McVeigh or some silly ass "Sovereign American" non tax paying asshole but it has been made VERY PLAIN to me that that oath those fucking clowns take and that the military takes are to quote the "greateest being to ever walk the Earth including Jesus Chrost" says "words just words."

Nope the GOP is blowing the brains out of about 250 years of rumiantions on the natural rights of man.

I have endured the calumny of "racist" because I love Locke and Adam Smith and my fucking politicians never defended me.

Fuck them.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 28, 2013 06:51 PM (LRFds)

628 Illegal immigrants have no access to programs like
social security or unemployment. Although, come to think of it, I've
never known an illegal immigrant who stayed unemployed for long.

Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 06:47 PM (Hz1zc)


BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Hahahahahah.....phew....cough.....HAHAHAHAHA!!!

You're such a....a....what's the word?.....tool.

Posted by: Tami at January 28, 2013 06:51 PM (X6akg)

629 Looked fine last I was there. Overflowing fields of crops from horizon to horizon.

Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 06:30 PM (Hz1zc)

Bald-faced lie.

Goodbye.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 28, 2013 06:52 PM (GsoHv)

630 Illegal
immigrants have no access to programs like social security or
unemployment.

Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 06:47 PM (Hz1zc)

_______________________________
Really?

http://tinyurl.com/6swuur8

" Census Bureau data reveals that mostU.S.families headed by illegal
immigrants use taxpayer-funded welfare programs on behalf of their
American-born anchor babies.Even before the recession, immigrant
households with children used welfare programs at consistently higher
rates than natives, according to the extensive census data collected and
analyzed by a nonpartisanWashingtonD.C.group dedicated to researching
legal and illegal immigration in theU.S.The results, published this
month in a lengthyreport,
are hardly surprising.Basically, the majority of households across the
country benefitting from publicly-funded welfare programs are headed by
immigrants, both legal and illegal. States where immigrant households
with children have the highest welfare use rates
areArizona(62%),Texas,CaliforniaandNew Yorkwith 61% each
andPennsylvania(59%)"

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 28, 2013 06:53 PM (HDgX3)

631 I am not gonna be a McVeigh or some silly ass "Sovereign American" non tax paying asshole but it has been made VERY PLAIN to me that that oath those fucking clowns take and that the military takes are to quote the "greateest being to ever walk the Earth including Jesus Chrost" says "words just words."

Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.

Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 06:53 PM (Hz1zc)

632 Mr. Moo,

For you it's an "anchor baby." For me it's an American. I'm happy to pay taxes to support poor children.

Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 06:54 PM (Hz1zc)

633 Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 06:47 PM (Hz1zc)


You might want to contact the IRS and tell them about the billions in benefits paid out by the feds, since you're like, in-the-fucking-know.



Illegal immigrants don't stay unemployed for long because employers are thrilled to hire them at far less than they are legally required.



It's like you don't know a damn thing. Weird.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 28, 2013 06:55 PM (4c71i)

634 The Hispanic vote went more than 3 to 1 Dem in the last election, so the "conventional stupidity" is that right now the GOP desperately needs to open the flood gates.

Yup, stupid party.

If you're going to win over Spanish speaking voters, it's going to take time and be done in a much different manner.

If the GOP needs this so badly now when net immigration is near zero, why are the Dems pushing so hard for it right after their win?

Posted by: ontherocks at January 28, 2013 06:55 PM (aZ6ew)

635 "That doesn't make sense. If they wanted to take advantage of
entitlements, they would immigrate legally and cash their checks every
month like the Tea Party does on the way to IHOP. Illegal immigrants
have no access to programs like social security or unemployment.
Although, come to think of it, I've never known an illegal immigrant who
stayed unemployed for long."

You really are an idiot living in your own world. Come to West Texas pal. Hospitals are full of people that can't pay. Schools are full of kids who are illegal themselves or whos parents are illegal. One town I'm familiar with has had to layoff 200 teachers because they simply don't have the money to serve these students. The hospital in town runs constantly in the red and only survives by jacking prices up on everybody else. Law enforcement is unable to keep up with increased activity in town from drug cartels/gangs. They even reach out to get help from Parks and Wildlife, game wardens helping to track bad guys down. People in town who were previously employed, not anymore, sorry, immigrants have your job now. Unemployment is high. Things only recently started improving because of the fracking.

Posted by: Andrew at January 28, 2013 06:55 PM (HS3dy)

636 631 Whoredan,

Yeah well I'd say try to keep the place worth missing but I know it's beyond you fuckhead....

I hope you get everything you've undermined prosperity in this nation to achieve Whoredan....now if suddenly after you've nationalized the energy sector and forced everyone to join a union.....

some people took a page out of Billy Ayers book and blew up shit "mostly without people dying" you'll have to forgive me being all out of "gives a fuck"

Posted by: sven10077 at January 28, 2013 06:57 PM (LRFds)

637 For you it's an "anchor baby." For me it's an American. I'm happy to pay taxes to support poor children.

Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 06:54 PM (Hz1zc)

_____________________________
Your reading skills aren't so good. The parents get the money as well as the US born kids. When the calculation is done for how much money is given, it's based on household size. The household includes the illegal parents.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 28, 2013 06:58 PM (HDgX3)

638 634 ontherocks,

If we could exert ANY influence on civis and contain the weaponized race bullshit I'd be less gloomy...

we can't the media will not let that fight be honestly reported.

Soros unlike James Bond Villains is real and Mitt Romney is no James Bond....

we lost.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 28, 2013 06:58 PM (LRFds)

639 Well, if we are going to get more immigration, then this new bill should include a provision allowing young (18 - 22) women from Eastern Europe to immigrate here as well. Call it a "jobs program"...a blow jobs program.

Posted by: Capt. Obvious at January 28, 2013 06:59 PM (oyQVv)

640 Posted by: Andrew at January 28, 2013 06:49 PM (HS3dy)

Even Jews?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 28, 2013 06:59 PM (GsoHv)

641 637 Mr moo moo,

wiat stop the press Mr. Moo moo my wife just explained that the GOP has to cave because pointing out economic realities with anchor babies hurts the GOP....

so for you it was an EBR for me it is the cute little paychecks...


lo siento mi Amigo

Posted by: sven10077 at January 28, 2013 07:00 PM (LRFds)

642 "Your reading skills aren't so good. The parents get the money as well as the US born kids."

Your going to complain about my reading comprehension? Let me tell you, give yore diction and you're sentence construction, its tough.

Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 07:00 PM (Hz1zc)

643
Step 3 is the Republican leadership gets re-elected, years before the extent of the swindle/consequences are evident.

What? You thought Step 3 had to be about the success of America? Public choice theory FTW.

The National GOP is not your friend.

Posted by: MlR at January 28, 2013 07:00 PM (Axing)

644 Too much vitriol. Sorry for the personal attack, MMM.

Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 07:01 PM (Hz1zc)

645 Growth is good. More immigrants lead to a growing population and a growing economy.
Posted by: Jordan


Top Ag. producing CA counties
And
Unemployment Dec 2012 (Prelim)

Fresno = 14.9%
Tulare = 15.7%
Kern = 13.5%
Merced = 17.2%
Monterey 13.1%

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 28, 2013 07:01 PM (xz0nG)

646 639 Captain Obvious,

Why would they do that?

They have our daughters for local talent....

it's coming.

I would support totally open borders with no welfare state, I can support weaponized illegals being given green cards and no vote.

I will never support this.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 28, 2013 07:02 PM (LRFds)

647 "For you it's an "anchor baby." For me it's an American. I'm happy to pay taxes to support poor children."


rofl, why are you on this site? it's one thing for libertarians like myself to give the GOP hold outs a hard time, but you're just a communist. Shouldn't you have your lips around a big dick by this time of the day?

Posted by: Andrew at January 28, 2013 07:02 PM (HS3dy)

648 643 Mir,

yeah well like they did not learn in 2006-2008...

revenge may be best served cold but it gets whipped up in a bowl quick.

Plan B and batshit donkey it is.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 28, 2013 07:03 PM (LRFds)

649 "rofl, why are you on this site? it's one thing for libertarians like myself to give the GOP hold outs a hard time, but you're just a communist."

The LP supported open borders too for most of its existence. IIRC, the platform was changed before the 2004 election.

Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 07:05 PM (Hz1zc)

650 CharlieBrown'sDildo, did you actually read anything I said last time? Asshole.

Posted by: Andrew at January 28, 2013 07:06 PM (HS3dy)

651 The difference was the Irish/Germans that came here didn't demand the country turn into Ireland or Germany.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 28, 2013 06:49 PM (HDgX3)


You've obviously never been to a real Irish bar.

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 28, 2013 07:06 PM (Cnqmv)

652 Holy shit, there is a steaming pile of ignorance all around in this thread.

First, @546 Mr Moo Moo, most of the day laborer types and crop pickers, have skills. There are low educational skills, but skills none the less. I know several families how parents literally have 6th grade educations, but there were able to find work, pay taxes and provide for their families. Also, most encourage their children to learn English and to get educations. Immigrants are still human, parents still want better for their children. I know of many families where they argued with schools (through interpreters ironically) to take their kids out of ESL classes, so they would learn English faster.

Also, many illegal immigrants still pay taxes through ITNs because unlike ICE, the IRS will track you down. I do believe we need to get rid of the Earned Income Credit for both illegals (freaking brain dead obvious) and citizens.

As for immigration across our border, thankfully Mexico's middle class is growing (which is awesome for the US), which is creating more opportunities for their poor at home. Also, Mexico is investing heavily over the last few years to upgrade the water and electrical infrastructure in the rural areas, which also creates opportunities.

Posted by: J the Saint at January 28, 2013 07:07 PM (2Ag2h)

653
648643 Mir,

yeah well like they did not learn in 2006-2008...

revenge may be best served cold but it gets whipped up in a bowl quick.

Plan B and batshit donkey it is.
----
I hope so, but those same people are still there pushing the same things.

They didn't suffer any personalconsequences, they got relected anyway, and in one case nominated as Republican Presidential nominee (possibly a second to come).

Nothing will change until you literally start purging the people who are pushing it in primaries.

Posted by: MlR at January 28, 2013 07:07 PM (Axing)

654 "651 Mexicans are evil gas them! No amnesty!"

Sensei John Krease: We do not train amnesty here! Amnesty is for the weak. Here, in the streets, an illegal immigrant confronts you, he is the enemy! An enemy deserves no amnesty!

Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 07:09 PM (Hz1zc)

655 "The LP supported open borders too for most of its existence. IIRC, the platform was changed before the 2004 election"


You are not advocating open borders. Amnesty is not open borders. Amnesty is "here's the key's to my car, and here's my daughter while you're at it." I'm all for open borders when it comes to WORK. Sure, come work. Here is your work permit, have fun. Sorry, you can't vote, and you can't put your kids in our school, unless you pay a fee. You must buy personal health insurance for duration of your stay. And if you get caught doing anything illegal, you are gone and so is your whole family.

Posted by: Andrew at January 28, 2013 07:09 PM (HS3dy)

656 Hugh Hewitt says...

Tom Tancredo (being interviewed on CNN) represents no one because he left the Republican Party.

Says his heart sank when he saw Tom on CNN.

Claims he crushed Mark Krikorian in a debate last weekend regarding the issue.

Posted by: WVinMN at January 28, 2013 07:10 PM (4Pleu)

657 Increasingly I find myself asking "so if" questions.

Example: so if printing money without limit is the key to national prosperity, why isn't Zimbabwe a paradise on Earth?

So if mass immigration of unskilled Hispanics is a boon to the economy, why is California an economic wreck? It should be a powerhouse with all of these illegals.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 28, 2013 07:10 PM (gqT4g)

658
The only good thing that will come out of this is it is causing even more people to take a second look at who Rubio really is.

Look closely, he's not the Conservative you think he is. Not on mostother issues anymore than on this one.

Posted by: MlR at January 28, 2013 07:12 PM (Axing)

659 Changed,


A little tired of Mommy's negative attention so you need some from strangers?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 28, 2013 07:13 PM (4c71i)

660 the difference is...

the german/irish wave was a fucking long time ago, we've got enough people living here now, thank you.

The similarity is that the democrat party brought these people into fight wars, vote democrat.

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at January 28, 2013 07:13 PM (QxSug)

661 obvious leftist moby posing as racist (which is not a pose, most leftists are racists) has been trollbusted. Should take 3-5 minutes.

Posted by: ace at January 28, 2013 07:14 PM (LCRYB)

662 I definitely think it is time the US had an official language of English. However, for those who are afraid of Spanish taking over, go ask any 3rd generation Mexican immigrant something in Spanish. They will probably be unable to answer you. The English language is grinding Spanish into the dust, just as it ground German, Italian and Irish. TV is actually on our side in the language battle.

Posted by: J the Saint at January 28, 2013 07:18 PM (2Ag2h)

663 661 obvious leftist moby posing as racist (which is not a pose, most leftists are racists) has been trollbusted. Should take 3-5 minutes.

Posted by: ace at January 28, 2013 07:14 PM (LCRYB)


--Huzzah!

Posted by: logprof at January 28, 2013 07:19 PM (jVAw4)

664 I don't really care about the language issue, only the liberty issue and the never-ending fact that WE ARE BROKE.


Posted by: Andrew at January 28, 2013 07:21 PM (HS3dy)

665 "So if mass immigration of unskilled Hispanics is a boon to the economy, why is California an economic wreck? It should be a powerhouse with all of these illegals."

It's the eight largest economy in the world with a GDP of nearly two trillion dollars, comprising 13.9% of America's total production. It's a powerhouse, all right, although I don't attribute California's economic success primarily to immigration policy.

Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 07:22 PM (Hz1zc)

666 I can't get an H1B temporary work visa for a guy with a very rare skill that I hire remotely, but we're going to blanket amnesty possibly 20 million people? I'm tempted to tell the guy to go to Mexico on holiday and just sneak over.

Posted by: Andrew at January 28, 2013 07:25 PM (HS3dy)

667 662 J the Saint,

Yes unfortunately IngSoc will be controlling what culture "English" is creating.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 28, 2013 07:25 PM (LRFds)

668 665 Whoredan,

Okay so if we ever have to bail it out...it will be because of its smashing success right Whoredan?

Viva La Raza California y Mexicana.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 28, 2013 07:26 PM (LRFds)

669 This thread seems to have emptied out, and Jordan smells funny, so I'm deuces!

Posted by: Andrew at January 28, 2013 07:27 PM (HS3dy)

670 A few years ago the local Rez ( self-governing) here in Washington got tired of illegals all over the reservation doing cash, under-the-table jobs via contractors and no help from the Feds. They chartered some buses, Indian cops made their round-ups, and did a bit of deporting of their own over the tribal border.

Posted by: JHW at January 28, 2013 07:32 PM (B38OD)

671 Couple old wiley dems (and a sell-out like McCain) with young idealistic GOP's (Rubio Flake) and you get another con job - just like the one we got under Reagan.
Rubio Flake are too young to remember what happened under Reagan.
Rubio would likely assure border control works if he is elected President. Otherwise, I think we are screwed. Again.

Posted by: carolina at January 28, 2013 07:33 PM (QVLHl)

672 Yep 40 - Compton Ca is the tip of an iceberg. The blacks don't seem to recognize that their days are even more numbered than before - with their help.

Posted by: carolina at January 28, 2013 07:40 PM (QVLHl)

673 "Otherwise, I think we are screwed. Again."

Reagan, Bush, McCain, Rubio. If so many GOP voters disagree with them about immigration, perhaps they should stop supporting the national aspirations of border-state candidates.

Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 07:40 PM (Hz1zc)

674 Posted by: Andrew at January 28, 2013 07:06 PM (HS3dy)

As I recall, you started by claiming that Jews control the media in order to propagate "a certain world view" and ended many posts later by stating that the US has bases throughout the Arab world in order to further the interests of Israel. CharlieBrown's comment is amply justified.

Posted by: DKCZ at January 28, 2013 07:48 PM (9/bcB)

675 For a while there, I was concerned that the drive- by media would try to destroy Rubio, but it turns out, he's going to do it himself. Well, this will certainly help narrow the field in 2016.

Posted by: Black Redneck at January 28, 2013 07:49 PM (EERaS)

676 It's a powerhouse, all right, although I don't attribute California's economic success primarily to immigration policy.

Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 07:22 PM (Hz1zc)
California is such an "economic success" that, over the period 2000-2010, 1.5 million more people moved from California to other states than moved from other states to California. It's becoming unlivable for the middle class.

Posted by: DKCZ at January 28, 2013 07:56 PM (9/bcB)

677 We not only need an American Party, we need, as a collective of Constitutional Americans, stop any and all payments and backing to ANY incumbent in Congress. If we don't stop this, our children have European Socialism.

Posted by: CalyxtheCommoner at January 28, 2013 08:02 PM (Cgcqz)

678 "We not only need an American Party, we need, as a collective of Constitutional Americans, stop any and all payments and backing to ANY incumbent in Congress."

I've been a lukewarm supporter of term limits since the days of Dan "the Postman" Rostenkowski, but I'm also worried term limits would increase the influence of lobbyists and powerful lobby groups. Congressional dysfunction, dereliction even, seems an insoluble problem.

Posted by: Jordan at January 28, 2013 08:08 PM (Hz1zc)

679 >There are no "details" yet. There are only parameters. The "Details"
have to be worked out and what ACE is saying is that in the past we have
always gotten fucked on deals like this and there is no reason to think
this will be anything different. <

So yes, lets of course act like retards and bigots at the very mention of immigration reform. That's worked so well for Republicans after all.

Trying to negotiate the right bill is one thing. Flaming any discussion is contra-intellectual and self-destructive.

Posted by: Marcus at January 28, 2013 08:15 PM (Jsi8E)

680 When Republicans are in power = jails full of illegals
When Democrats are in power = jails full of gun owners

Posted by: Trevor (@tjexcite) at January 28, 2013 08:16 PM (Ea64Y)

681 DKCZ, no, that's not what I said at all. Nice to see that to you two all issues boil down to Israel though.

Posted by: Andrew at January 28, 2013 08:19 PM (HS3dy)

682 >Marcus was around in 1986 or so he says. Ask him if he remembers this particular line that was spouted quite frequently.
<

OK children. I was there when Reagan got screwed on "sure we'll protect the border later...much" and it never got done.

Rubio knows it as does the entire Republican Party. Thanks legions of Captain Obvious'.

Now we see where the negotiation takes us. Ya know, as opposed to the we should deport everyone, take no prisoners, I'm from Mars approach.

Posted by: Marcus at January 28, 2013 08:19 PM (Jsi8E)

683 Hey, I have an idea:

ENFORCE THE CURRENT LAW half as well as you enforce the current tax code.
(See what I did there?)

Instead of TSA waiting in ambush at our airports, they should get new ICE shirts and vans to deliver them to EVERY REST STOP this side of ANY BORDER.

Within three days we be blessed with fewer idiot groping reports, high school kid unemployment below 4%, and almost no day workers wandering around downtown San Antonio.

WOO HOO!

Posted by: Blacksmith8 at January 28, 2013 08:21 PM (Yzu6e)

684 Epistle on Things that are the same, yet viewed differently--

I have been reliably informed that those who signed the secession petitions after Obama's Ascendance are "loathsome" and "vile", because you don't go changing the rules judt because you did not get your way, you don't decide to ignore the result of something you do not like, you must honor the system.

Naturally, those words "loathsome", "vile" will never be applied to those who changed rules regarding immigration when it had a result they did not like, by just writing themselves a visa, with their feet. Oh, no. They're "special".

Posted by: H. at January 28, 2013 08:23 PM (D5Jpp)

685 It's not border control, it's reducing border violence.

Posted by: egd at January 28, 2013 08:28 PM (pgpHz)

686 Circling, circling...

Posted by: H. at January 28, 2013 08:34 PM (D5Jpp)

687
DKCZ, no, that's not what I said at all. Nice to see that to you two all issues boil down to Israel though.

Posted by: Andrew at January 28, 2013 08:19 PM (HS3dy)Your first comment in that thread:
"Correct me if I'm wrong, but Jews and the Media, isn't that one of those conspiracy facts? ...
I don't see it as a conspiracy to puppet master the
world, it just is what it is. They are Jewish, they have a certain
world view, and their media is biased in that direction.

Posted by: Andrew at January 24, 2013 12:52 PM (HS3dy)"
Your last post in that thread:
"This is such horse shit. And you claim to be an expert on this
subject? I can't even count the number of bases in the Middle East I've
been on. All of that is by and large for Israel.
Our government has officially stated that 9/11 was a result of blowback from our relationship with Israel. ...
Posted by: Andrew at January 24, 2013 03:11 PM (HS3dy)"
Why are you so obsessed with Jews and Israel?

Posted by: DKCZ at January 28, 2013 08:42 PM (9/bcB)

688 Re 675--oh, not at all. They think we are already obsolete, and will come to our senses once they just go ahead and pass it.

Sorry, not going to happen. This time the Melians win.

Incidentally, I've had this pet theory for a while that if the Texicans had fortified, with the cannon and men, just the southern portion of the Alamo--chapel and Crockett's line, and the southern prtion of the parade--leaving the rest of the compound unmanned--they might have been an incredibly tough nut to crack, since it would have been hard to get arty in there, and the northern portion of the parade field would have been a slaughterhouse. Tough to say.

Posted by: H. at January 28, 2013 08:45 PM (D5Jpp)

689 Funny how multiculturalism gets pushed in white majority nations. I bet if it were 10-20 million collage educated conservative Christians from Sweden sneaking in the donks would be strapping them to rockets to get them the fuck out of here. Racism yea right ok whatever. Would Mexico will let in 10-20 million Nigerians. Better yet ask the Hondurans or Guatemalans how welcoming Mexico is. Reconquista. The reclaiming of disputed land by simply populating it.

Posted by: wattyler1381 at January 28, 2013 08:52 PM (F2Vrz)

690

That asinine Hugh Hewitt was talking on the radio about this - he's all pumped up. He thinks we should also give school vouchers to the illegal kids 'cause they're going to need to go to good schools too!

Posted by: Lily at January 28, 2013 09:08 PM (igSv+)

691 #690 I heard that, too. Made me sick. Along with all the happy talk with the CNBC guy about "look how great the 2% growth is!

Posted by: Chris at January 28, 2013 09:26 PM (KDAAY)

692
I just submittted a petition to get an income tax exemption for 240 rounds a year to those who hold a concealed carry permit at:
http://wh.gov/VX7J
Need 150 signstures to get it released to the general public.

Posted by: p mike at January 28, 2013 10:24 PM (fpuao)

693 Jordan you're no kind of American. You shame the sacrifices of yesterday's patriots. You argue for the dismantling of this country. You deserve exile or a traitor's death.

Posted by: Lopan at January 28, 2013 11:13 PM (qLbdy)

694 "693 Jordan you're no kind of American. You shame the sacrifices of yesterday's patriots. You argue for the dismantling of this country. You deserve exile or a traitor's death."

I don't argue for the dismantlement of America, nor for the death of people who disagree with me. I know you hate me and want to kill me, but I'm fine with it. I don't fear your internet patriotism, because it's only skin deep. Do you think your death threats mean anything to me?

Lol.

Posted by: Jordan at January 29, 2013 02:40 AM (Hz1zc)

695 Lol.

Posted by: Jordan at January 29, 2013 02:42 AM (Hz1zc)

696 Go to bed, Lopan, your fake outrage is wasted on us, as is your fake courage. Sleep, you murderous teenager, sleep.

Posted by: Jordan at January 29, 2013 02:44 AM (Hz1zc)

697 "Ross Douthat observed on Twitter that the GOP is rushing heedlessly to
increase the vote share of Latinos, without doing anything else to
actually attract them as voters."

That's 'cause the douchebags in charge of the Republican Party think that giving mojados a path to citizenship is the way to buy the Latino vote.

It wasn't before, and it isn't now.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at January 29, 2013 03:00 AM (8J3jn)

698 "It's a powerhouse, all right, although I don't attribute California's economic success primarily to immigration policy."

Inertia.

Silicon Valley long ago established itself as the place to be for high-tech, and even though this place is clearly not what it once was, a lot of people still buy into it. Then when those boneheads finally get here, they get to experience the $3.50/gal gas, the high rents, the high home prices, the high utility prices, high taxation, and the pervasive government nannying.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at January 29, 2013 03:12 AM (8J3jn)

699 Some of my friends in the IT industry here in Colorado are chomping at the bit to move to Nor CA, but I always tell them no. They can't afford gas, they can't afford rent, and the bitches ain't all that.

Posted by: Jordan at January 29, 2013 03:16 AM (Hz1zc)

700 As a border dweller myself, I found myself shouting "Amen" at the local talk radio host this morning who said: "The people who make border policy and law are always the people who live nowhere near a border."

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at January 29, 2013 08:54 AM (7ObY1)

701 Supposedly there are 11 million illegals in the US. Assume some of them vote. Check voter registration against these illegals and for starters, deport those who voted or are registered to vote. Of course, this would require cooperation and coordination of federal and state agencies officials who are presumably sworn to uphold the law. Secure the borders and enforce existing legislation. And why exactly can we not deport illegals?

Posted by: gracepmc at January 29, 2013 11:49 AM (rznx3)






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