GOP: We've Got To Steal Obama's Playbook

Safe link to Hot Air (it's an NYT article).

“We need to get people organized and learn from what Obama did,” said Mike Duncan, a former national party chairman who now represents Kentucky on the committee. “We’ve got to reverse engineer what they did and leapfrog to the next cycle.”

By which they mean Obama's microtargeting of voters, making micropitches, data-mining for every available Democrat even in red districts -- the so-called project NARWHAL, which appeared to be a delusion (even to the people implementing it) until it actually swiped an election.

That last bit is crucial: Generally we target our own districts and try to churn out as many votes in those districts (whether with us or against us) as possible.

As @conartcritic pointed out numerous times, though: There are lots and lots of red voters in blue cities.

Now the cities as a whole of course will go overwhelmingly Democratic. But -- this is crucial -- in statewide campaigns you can microtarget the Republican flowers hidden by all the choking liberal weeds and get them to vote and thereby increase you statewide totals.

And thereby win state elections -- and electoral college delegates.

Obama used advanced data-mining techniques -- scanning FaceBook likes and purchasing history (I'm sure-- though I'm speculating on that) to find people who were likely Democratic voters, even if they almost never voted, and gin them up with narrowly-tailored political mail.

For example, if you find an unmarried woman, age 25, who follows the Anthropologie feed on FaceBook (the fashion shop, I mean, not the science), she's almost certainly liberal-leaning. Even if she lives in red territory, like Kansas.

So Obama sent that girl Alarming Abortion mailer after Alarming Abortion mailer.

We must absolutely copy this technique.

There is one problem that faces us that the Democrats don't face -- note that this technique involves a lot of saying one thing to one audience while saying something different to another. In their private mailers, Democrats ran as abortion and gay marriage enthusiasts... something they did not run on generally. (They pretended to not be outright liberal extremist generally.)

Now the media of course covered up for them, and would never report that while the Democrats talk about "common sense" guidelines about abortions, they advance a strong pro-abortion agenda in their micro-targeted mailers.

Republicans, naturally, will be hit with this relentlessly -- if a mailer uses stronger-than-usual language to defend gun rights in a mailer to a gun owner, we'll be hit about how "extreme" our message is "below the radar." Reporters will make every single one of our mailers famous, and not in a good way.

That said, that's the terrain we fight on, and there's little use complaining about it. This technique must be copied.

Posted by: Ace at 03:44 PM



Comments

1 In politics, all that is not illegal is allowable. No more nice.

Posted by: troyriser at January 25, 2013 03:46 PM (vtiE6)

2 ( Squeegees last post off self )

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 25, 2013 03:47 PM (xz0nG)

3 Just like they stole and adapted Rove's playbook.

Things look bad now, but everything comes full circle and we will dance on these bastards' graves.

Posted by: Blacksheep at January 25, 2013 03:47 PM (8/DeP)

4 You don't need a playbook, you need a better vote fraud machine.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 25, 2013 03:47 PM (xtvQl)

5 Stop nominating RINOs.
The libs went very had left with obama (and Hillary ). We go middle of the road milktoast McCain and Romney.

Posted by: retired military at January 25, 2013 03:47 PM (SElov)

6 Orca 2.0 is going to take ass and kick some names!

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 25, 2013 03:48 PM (+lsX1)

7 Whatcha offering, GOP? Phone, foodstamps? Pay my gas bill?

Posted by: Average American voter at January 25, 2013 03:48 PM (F6KtL)

8 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 03:48 PM (8y9MW)

9 Also, the other side lies about us, early and often. Let's do that. Maybe not lie, but bend the truth to the breaking point. We need to paint Liberals as diabolical child-killers 24/7.

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 25, 2013 03:48 PM (8sCoq)

10 If Ruffini is right Mitt's entire GOTV effort, never mind the data mining end, was a rolling clusterfarg.

Posted by: joncelli at January 25, 2013 03:48 PM (RD7QR)

11 Cake Boy Barry has a gay - book.

Posted by: Reggie Love at January 25, 2013 03:48 PM (Cm5S0)

12 That said, that's the terrain we fight on, and there's little use complaining about it. This technique must be copied.

Entire post boiled down to:
Lie. Cheat. Steal. Oh, and kill if neccessary.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2013 03:48 PM (GFM2b)

13 Rock mom got their "technique" in the last thread


Many people had Obama figured out, in 2007. But the reason they were so vehemently attacked and shut up when they said anything was that the Democrat/media complex determined at a very early stage (well before the economy started to tank) that Democrats had to have a Black nominee to win in 2008. They didn't think Hillary could win. They worride after 2004 that Republicans had found a way to get just enough black and latino votes to keep winning. Their only hope was a massive turnout of blacks and Latinos in tribal support of a black candidate. There were definitely powers within the Democratic Party (I think led by Howard Dean) who talked Obama into running (he wanted to be President but wanted to wait until 2012), rounded up a bunch of rich liberals to fund him, and then ruthlessly controlled his image to get him elected. It had nothing to do with "tact" being enforced by the media or anyone else. It was pure message discipline in service of the higher goal - to get the White House back, by any means necessary. The Vichy Republicans who supported Obama in 2008 willfully ignored everything in his ideological background, in favor of some sort of magical thiking that because he seemed to be temperamentally moderate he would also be idologically moderate. A lot of them also were horrified at Sarah Palin and terrified that if she were elected VP she would then be President someday and she was too big of a dumb so-con hick for them to allow that. (Not MY view of her, please, but I think an accurate description of elitist republican views of her). In short, they were elitists above all, and supported the elitist canddiate, Barack Obama. The only reason some are recoiling now is because Obama has laid bare not his leftwing policy agenda, but his community-organizingthuggishness and crassness that belies the smooth ceased-pants image they bought in 2008.
Posted by: rockmom at January 25, 2013 03:32 PM (qE3AR)

Posted by: thunderb at January 25, 2013 03:49 PM (Dnbau)

14 Posted by: Average American voter at January 25, 2013 03:48 PM (F6KtL)

No, sorry. We're the Not-so-free Shit Army.

Posted by: troyriser at January 25, 2013 03:49 PM (vtiE6)

15
Is THIS the hill we die on now?????

Posted by: GOP voter at January 25, 2013 03:49 PM (F6KtL)

16 i hate pixy

Posted by: thunderb at January 25, 2013 03:49 PM (Dnbau)

17 >That last bit is crucial: Generally we target our own districts and try
to churn out as many votes in those districts (whether with us or
against us) as possible.<

Yes. Especially since empirically there are fewer districts which are "ours".

Where is the hawk article, damn it?

Posted by: Marcus at January 25, 2013 03:49 PM (xPfg3)

18 This will be fun to watch...R promising ice cream.

Posted by: sTevo at January 25, 2013 03:50 PM (VMcEw)

19 If the GOP become even bigger liars than they are now I'm not joining. The Donks LIE about EVERYTHING. They lie about what day it is, if it is night or day, what anyone anywhere said about anything and on and on. If the GOP goes this way why not just start copying the Weather Underground?

Posted by: Daybrother at January 25, 2013 03:50 PM (+paCV)

20 >>>Just like they stole and adapted Rove's playbook.


I think what they did is up the fineness of Rove's playbook by an order of magnitude. Whereas Rove could find conservative blocks and streets in swing or blue areas, the Obama "NARWHAL" project finds individual voters.

Rove's playbook was using zip codes and income levels and such like to find Republicans on a district-of-a-town basis. NARWHAL finds partisans individually.

Posted by: ace at January 25, 2013 03:51 PM (LCRYB)

21 One big ITRLTL needs to be footnoted to this idea. And again this is only a bandaid for a bullet wound of losing the cultural war for half a century.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 25, 2013 03:51 PM (0q2P7)

22 Interesting that an administration that wants to impose federal "one size fits all" programs on to the American people is using micro-targeting to determine their individual preferences in order to manipulate them.

Posted by: Ken Royall at January 25, 2013 03:51 PM (x0g8a)

23 I poll-watcher for Connie Mack / ORCA, I wuz


in a very red area. Voting fell off sharply after 5pm


f*cked, we were ( I could feel it )

Posted by: Jerry Jack in Jacksonville at January 25, 2013 03:52 PM (Dll6b)

24 "all that is not illegal is allowable."


Adorable

Posted by: Dems at January 25, 2013 03:52 PM (wsGWu)

25 Also, the other side lies about us, early and often. Let's do that. Maybe not lie, but bend the truth to the breaking point. We need to paint Liberals as diabolical child-killers 24/7.


Now remember, when things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean. I mean plumb, mad-dog mean. 'Cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live nor win. That's just the way it is.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2013 03:52 PM (GFM2b)

26 So basically... lie.

Posted by: wth at January 25, 2013 03:52 PM (wAQA5)

27 Why in the damn fucking hell do cities go overwhelmingly blue anyways? Blue policies hurt city denizens just as much (if not more) as they do rural and small town citizens.

Is it just a remnant of the Democrats-for-the-unions-and-factories thing? I mean, more factories, more unions, more democrats. Or is it just that whenever you smash a lot of people together, the ones in the middle turn into criminal, lazy Obamaphooo' zombies?

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Re: your article about the media's lies. I believe the media is purposely ignorant. They can spread lies and falsehoods as far and wide as they want, do as much damage as possible and then apologize if they get called out for it. It's a form of plausible deniability. I'm going to write about this.

They are willfully ignorant.

Posted by: ElKomandante at January 25, 2013 03:52 PM (xIUnF)

28

What we need is a new nickname for

Posted by: Meremortal, Watching It Burn at January 25, 2013 03:52 PM (1Y+hH)

29 9
Also, the other side lies about us, early and often. Let's do that.
Maybe not lie, but bend the truth to the breaking point. We need to
paint Liberals as diabolical child-killers 24/7.


Posted by: Jones in CO at January 25, 2013 03:48 PM (8sCoq)

Hmmm...maybe something like
CUE PORTENTIOUS MUSIC.
NARRATOR [in deep, menacing tones]: Is it possible that Hillary Clinton practices satanic rites with children?
MUSIC DARKENS.
NARRATOR: Did she really perform nude Wiccan rituals with children, goats, and feta cheese?
SOUND OF WITCH CACKLING.
NARRATOR: We may never know...but why take a chance? Vote Rand Paul and keep the satanic Wiccan menace at bay -- before it's too late!

Posted by: joncelli at January 25, 2013 03:52 PM (RD7QR)

30 Stop nominating electable candidates, because they never are.

Posted by: Roy at January 25, 2013 03:53 PM (VndSC)

31 Republicans need to fight like they want to win, and not let Democrats dictate the rules. No more debates "moderated" by democrat apparatchiks. No more steering away from topics and issues that are winners for the Republicans - like immigraiton restrictionism. The liberals still howl about the Wille Horton ads not because they think they are racist, but because they worked so well.

Posted by: Beef at January 25, 2013 03:53 PM (mb1uj)

32 Yes. Especially since empirically there are fewer districts which are "ours".
Posted by: Marcus at January 25, 2013 03:49 PM (xPfg3)
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That cannot be true, as we won the house. Essentially, we won the majority of districts, and in a very small number of dem districts and especially precincts (ones without adequate GOP supervision) a suspiciously outsize turnout generated 50-100K extra votes in five states which won the EC.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 25, 2013 03:53 PM (xtvQl)

33

TFG is an...agitator.
That is the basics of his 'technique'.

What we need are Conservative Agitators...like Ace...but in the national spotlight.
We had one, in Andrew Breitbart.
But sadly, he is not physically with us now.

Posted by: wheatie at January 25, 2013 03:53 PM (fH4X9)

34 What I'm saying is, the other side plays dirty, and plays to win. We don't, so we lose.

That shit about bringing a knife to a gun fight is an apt analogy for the way conservatives operate

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 25, 2013 03:53 PM (8sCoq)

35 hawks kill mice; cats kill mice-----therefore, hawks are mice

Posted by: your very first logic error at January 25, 2013 03:53 PM (Dll6b)

36
Finally!

Because the secret to politics is this:

Politics, unlike nature, loves a vacuum.

The winner in politics is the one who sways people. If a politician's opponent fights poorly or does not fight, victory is acheieved.

In other words, a politician has to *constantly* make his case to the people and swiftly rebut his opponent's case.

The Democrats are running amok because they have no oppostion. Thus, The People are only being fed one side of the story. Thus, they'll accept what the Democrats are telling them (or not telling them).

Posted by: soothsayer at January 25, 2013 03:53 PM (Y4TdB)

37 The GOP will still lose, but it will have better data explaining why they lost.

Woo hoo.

Posted by: eman at January 25, 2013 03:54 PM (jp2Ur)

38 Could they just do this without announcing to the world that 'we all must learn from the great Obama'? Good grief.....

Posted by: Tami at January 25, 2013 03:54 PM (X6akg)

39 who in the hell reads mailers?

Posted by: realityman at January 25, 2013 03:54 PM (9AQdP)

40 Interesting that an administration that wants to impose federal "one
size fits all" programs on to the American people is using
micro-targeting to determine their individual preferences in order to
manipulate them.


Grasping and maintaining power...important.
Liberty...meh.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs an intervention at January 25, 2013 03:54 PM (ZKzrr)

41 21 One big ITRLTL needs to be footnoted to this idea. And again this is only a bandaid for a bullet wound of losing the cultural war for half a century.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 25, 2013 03:51 PM (0q2P7)
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Schools, schools, schools.

I grew up in the early 90's and I remember having the crap scared out of us every single year about the ozone hole and melting ice caps. I remember being taught over and over again how important it is to "care" about things (i.e., to look like you care, and to interpret emotional outbursts as proportionate to personal moral investment). This is why Obama wins over the no-info voters.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at January 25, 2013 03:54 PM (Y5I9o)

42 ORCA was probably named to suggest it devoured NARWHAL but they were different things. ORCA was just a strike list, if I understand it right, a list of registered voters. ORCA just took what used to be done by clipboard and made it digital (and also, made it not work).

NARWHAL was a data-mining, voter-finding effort.

I did a piece on all this before... it's a big thing. I know that ideology is what we mostly care about and these technological edges and advantages seem like cheating but you gotta have the votes.

I did not believe in NARWHAL, I thought they were deluding themselves, until they won Virginia and Florida.

Posted by: ace at January 25, 2013 03:54 PM (LCRYB)

43 Ace,

One way to minimize the damage of targeted messages is to decentralize the senders. If you want to hit conservative leaners in New York, then instead of sending from the national HQ, send it via a conservative local guy.

Not rocket surgery, but then it may be too difficult for the Republican hierarchy.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 25, 2013 03:54 PM (GsoHv)

44 If the GOP become even bigger liars than they are now I'm not joining

Don't let the door hit you then. I'd rather start trying to get people in power that aren't communist douchebags than not. If it takes lying, then it takes lying.

Posted by: GMan at January 25, 2013 03:54 PM (sxq57)

45 And with John Boehner leading the charge it'll be great! Like that famous 'Battle of the Crater' during the Siege of Petersburg. Create an opening and charge! Only problem was that they rushed straight into the crater and got massacred by the Rebs who picked them off from the top of the giant crater. Just like what Boehner and current crop of Republicans do now.

Posted by: My GF has big boobies at January 25, 2013 03:55 PM (F6KtL)

46 Look, I don't care how smart and polished your marketing is, if your product is crap, I'm not buying. And as far as I'm concerned, they killed their good lines to concentrate on cranking out more crap.

F--- the GOP.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Meadow Party 2016 at January 25, 2013 03:56 PM (GBXon)

47 If we have to lie or be two faced to win, we can't win. I think our minds and hearts are ordered differently than those of liberals.

Posted by: L, elle at January 25, 2013 03:56 PM (0PiQ4)

48 Compliant media lets the Dems get away with lots of crap that Republicans couldn't.

Its not at all a stretch to say that Obama wouldn't have even been the Dem nominee in 2008 if it weren't for media fawning over him. Let alone won election, let alone won re-election.


Posted by: looking closely at January 25, 2013 03:56 PM (6Q9g2)

49 The debates killed me - the moderators stopped Romney/Ryan dead in their tracks when they were about to make a point in order to "move on". We either get new moderators or start ignoring the ones we get. Candy Crawley got off way to easy for that skit she pulled with Obama. Romney let em both off the hook. Unfortunately we had one primary candidate who would not have done that - but he couldn't win.

Posted by: realityman at January 25, 2013 03:56 PM (9AQdP)

50 OT: Saxby Chambliss is won't run for re-election. Georgia is now an open Senate seat.

First question for those who wish to replace him: Do you believe that God wants "Rape Babies"???

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 25, 2013 03:56 PM (XvHmy)

51 39 who in the hell reads mailers?
Posted by: realityman at January 25, 2013 03:54 PM (9AQdP)
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It's not "reading" the mailers; it's getting them and being reminded of your Pavlovian cultural cues:

-'The GOP will kill Big Bird"= "Republicans hate children"

-"Lady-parts!" = GOP will force you never to have sex again

etc.

Fuck it. Because of the schools we've become an entire country of Manchurian Candidates.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at January 25, 2013 03:57 PM (Y5I9o)

52 One of the things I keep saying over and over again, is the fact that we need to be on every local election boards. We let them count the votes in most states and we wonder why they whup us with 115% of the damn vote. Having a great message or a great candidate does not matter if crooks count and manufacture the votes.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 25, 2013 03:57 PM (kXoT0)

53 So, now we are in the position of having to "hard sell" that freedom and liberty is preferred?

Sorry, Game Over, we lost..

LIB

Posted by: catman at January 25, 2013 03:57 PM (NYdB8)

54 Thank God the math of the debt and deficits will wait for the GOP to sort all this out.

Posted by: eman at January 25, 2013 03:57 PM (jp2Ur)

55 Yes we have this great wonderful devious plan, hey I know lets shout it from the rooftops! 2 rules in business; Rule #1: Don't tell them everything you know.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at January 25, 2013 03:57 PM (NzBQO)

56 GOP: We've Got To Steal Obama's Playbook








Lie through your teeth and have the MFM deify you?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 25, 2013 03:57 PM (1Jaio)

57 48 is right - republicans can't "copy Obama" because his rules are different. The ones who make those rules, ie the media, is where the fight must start. More Gingrich type confrontation is needed.

Posted by: realityman at January 25, 2013 03:57 PM (9AQdP)

58 Plus with Dem's having a kabillion free obami-phones to send a message like: "nice free phone you got there, sure would be a shame if the evil republicans took away your free phone and free service! So you better vote for obami!"

Posted by: Deli LLama at January 25, 2013 03:57 PM (lGu1O)

59 >>>who in the hell reads mailers?

actually if I understand this right mailers have a not-bad influence rate-- better than, say, radio and tv (especially on a cost-per-influenced-vote basis).

But in addition, look, modern marketing techniques mean we can make some very good educated guesses about your beliefs if we know things like where you live, how old you are, income level, religiosity or lack thereof, etc.

That means that NARWHAL doesn't just send mailers but mailers which have a fairly high chance of actually interesting the recipient.

You wouldn't want to send a Northeastern social moderate/fiscal conservative a mailer about the Human Life Amendment but you might want to send them something about taxes or ending the government schools monopoly or something else.




Posted by: ace at January 25, 2013 03:58 PM (LCRYB)

60 What I'm saying is, the other side plays dirty, and plays to win. We don't, so we lose.

That shit about bringing a knife to a gun fight is an apt analogy for the way conservatives operate

As I said in the last thread, and have said for years, "Continue taking the high road and continue to have your ass handed to you".
Everyone laughs at the "Murphy's Rules of War" jokes. But they are there for a reason.
"If you find yourself in a fair fight, you done fucked up".

Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2013 03:58 PM (GFM2b)

61 21 One big ITRLTL

Could you define that?

Posted by: joncelli at January 25, 2013 03:58 PM (RD7QR)

62 1. ObamaCare = Tax. The Supreme Court said so. Never refer to it any other way.

2. Call out the race baiters. Call Mathews et al. racists every single time you mention their names.

3. Do not proselytize about sex. You hear me, goddamit? Ever. Abortion, gay marriage, birth control, rape, all of it. Do what you want to do with your own life, but shut the fuck up and leave other people alone about their sex lives and the issues surrounding it. Lead by personal example, not overt advocacy.

4. The media = mouthpieces, communication organ, whores / prostitutes of the Democratic Party. Refer to them in this manner regularly, especially the nets. Most people can see that MSNBC is over the top; most people do not know that Brian Williams is just as bad.

5. The GOP is better for the economy in all ways. Taxes, business confidence, retirement, energy, disposable income for families, everything. Concede no ground -- instead, learn your chops and stick to the script.

This just isn't that hard.

Posted by: Blacksheep at January 25, 2013 03:59 PM (8/DeP)

63 I know I'm a shit for thinking this but..with the state that our country is in and with the Democrat's mask slipping and revealing them for the totalitarian control freaks that they really are...if the fate of our country rests on painstakingly digging up little packets of half-awake conservatives...well then all is fucking lost anyway.

If after all this, we just need to reach out to the right people and find them to energize them? Well, hell. These people are already dead. Or in a coma and fucking useless.

Posted by: LGoPs at January 25, 2013 03:59 PM (BJVEF)

64 First question for those who wish to replace him: Do you believe that God wants "Rape Babies"???

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 25, 2013 03:56 PM (XvHmy)

----------------------------
Well, of course He does. Todd Akin was right. You see it's all about principles. It's not whether we win or lose. Don't you see?

Posted by: Dana Loesch (and her House Husband) at January 25, 2013 03:59 PM (uRumV)

65

One part missing in the overall equation: taxpayer funded ground troops.

unions
liberal.orgs
etc

Ground troops paid for with taxes, and allowed work leave, with pay, to gotv.

Posted by: Separation of TaxMoney from Campaigns at January 25, 2013 03:59 PM (LpQbZ)

66 Here's another idea

Conservatives (singly or organizations) are only on TV (commercials and PSAs) around election time


what if the effort was year round



Posted by: Jones in CO at January 25, 2013 03:59 PM (8sCoq)

67 who in the hell reads mailers?

Those needing rolling papers?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2013 03:59 PM (GFM2b)

68 In other words, a politician has to *constantly* make his case to the people and swiftly rebut his opponent's case.


We need to get better at the parry and riposte.

Republicans need to point out the flaws with the other side's plans- in plain terms- and then play up the benefits of their own. And they need not to pull punches.

Romney never once pointed out that TFG was offering "free stuff" but, "'Free' just means someone else is paying for it- but who do you think is going to pay? Not the "rich," they have enough money to choose not to make money. Income taxes won't affect them, because they can decide how much income to make."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 03:59 PM (8y9MW)

69 First question for those who wish to replace him: Do you believe that God wants "Rape Babies"??? Posted by: The Political Hat at January 25, 2013 03:56 PM (XvHmy)

I think He wants babies born, not ripped from the womb. However, any GOP candidate needs to be sent to a re-education camp where they are trained with sleep deprivation and electric shock therapy to never answer any abortion/ladyparts questions AT ALL, other than to say, "Ladyparts are great, my Mom and wife have ladyparts, I am a big fan. Next question."

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 25, 2013 03:59 PM (kXoT0)

70 Wouldn't invading ones privacy by data mining, to sell "liberty" be contradictory?


Posted by: Deli LLama at January 25, 2013 03:59 PM (lGu1O)

71 Latinos wont come out in droves (not saying she might not get the majority) for hillary. They are more patriarchal then current US society

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 25, 2013 04:00 PM (FKQng)

72 62:This just isn't that hard.
Posted by: Blacksheep at January 25, 2013 03:59 PM (8/DeP)
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Amen!

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at January 25, 2013 04:00 PM (Y5I9o)

73 The one thing I'd like addressed is the issue of 'prosperity'; as in having a nation moving forward economically instead of in eternal drain circling.

Nowadays, to use a term like that seems the equivalent of tossing the word 'buttfuck' around. When did 'prosperity' become such a four letter word?

I've tried to explain this to people I consider somewhat rational, and three words later they say 'Bush'. Which then requires an hour of point by point repudiation while they apologize for not knowing what-the-fuck I'm saying.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at January 25, 2013 04:00 PM (feFL6)

74
Mailers?

Town hall meetings.

Everywhere and anywhere. A lot of them.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 25, 2013 04:01 PM (vyPsz)

75 I think WAY TOO much is being made of "Obama's Data". What we need are committed worker bees. Without a Black at the top of this ticket he would have lost badly. Obama is not going to run again. All the data mining in the world is not going to make the Black turnout ever as big as it was in the last two elections.


The worst is over. We take the Senate in 2014. As long as the SCOTUS stays healthy, Obama gets no more seats to fill and after 2014 we can stop any nomination.

Ace, I don't think you have commented on the NLRB case. It is huge. They completely shut down recess appointments until the Senate closes shop for the session. That would be in TWO years.

BE HAPPY. Sing this:


http://tinyurl.com/28asmzc

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 25, 2013 04:01 PM (wR+pz)

76 Most people will throw away mailers. BUT! I guarantee you everyone sees the front page: Republican candidate will get rid of birth control! It's not about giving well thought out ideas in mailers, it's about shock value. A 25 year old single mom would probably throw it away, but that image and those few words will stay in her head.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at January 25, 2013 04:02 PM (NzBQO)

77 NARRATOR: We may never know...but why take a chance? Vote Rand Paul and keep the satanic Wiccan menace at bay -- before it's too late!

Posted by: joncelli at January 25, 2013 03:52 PM (RD7QR)


I got this one...

Posted by: Aqua Buddha at January 25, 2013 04:02 PM (XvHmy)

78 >>>One big ITRLTL

>>>Could you define that?


If The Republic Lasts That Long

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 25, 2013 04:02 PM (0q2P7)

79 Republican Party = White Party.

That's what an ENTIRE generation have been brought up to believe. It's toast, it's a dead man walking. I wouldn't mind being wrong about that, but that's the way it looks to me now.

Posted by: Eaton Cox at January 25, 2013 04:02 PM (q177U)

80 The Republican Paty in its current form is no match for the Democrats. Its base is made up of Theocrats and bigots who hate segment of the US population. They refuse to embrace reality and technology. The Republican party will continue to get its ass kicked until they they become more inclusive and adapt technology.

Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:02 PM (p+4lN)

81 I have an idea, at least for one element of the next election:

Get the names and addresses of the residents of a blue city that don't own guns. We don't publish it, but we do use it, and here's how.

Knock on the door of each resident and explain to them that with the gun registration laws as they stand now, almost anyone can find a way to obtain them as I have with you.

Thenlower the voice and tell them that at this point in the converstion their door could be kicked in and they would be completely defenseless against whatever one wishes to do.

Explain to them that this is exactly the position the democrats want them in. If you feel like you have the right to defend yourself, vote republican.

Posted by: Rick Perry at January 25, 2013 04:02 PM (/ZV9/)

82 First question for those who wish to replace him: Do you believe that God wants "Rape Babies"???

Wrong first question, in GA.
Correct first question, "Are you dumb enough to admit you believe that God wants 'Rape Babies?'"

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 04:03 PM (8y9MW)

83 The playbook works because it's based on the culture. The Democrats now control the culture because of the schools. Look at the history of education since the Renaissance, and you'll see a consistent pattern of social change following radical education reforms

(Cf. (1300's)Brethren of Common LIfe -> (1400's)Erasmus -> (1500's)French municipal colleges -> (1600's)Jesuit colleges -> wars of religion)

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at January 25, 2013 04:03 PM (Y5I9o)

84 When did 'prosperity' become such a four letter word?

Prosperity is racist.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs an intervention at January 25, 2013 04:04 PM (ZKzrr)

85 Off stand-up guy sock

Posted by: Soona at January 25, 2013 04:04 PM (/ZV9/)

86 Why in the damn fucking hell do cities go overwhelmingly blue anyways?
Blue policies hurt city denizens just as much (if not more) as they do
rural and small town citizens.


I think it's (in part) because for city dwellers (and I'm currently one), government plays a greater role in their daily lives.

I grew up in a very rural area. The only evidence of the government we regularly came in contact with was in the form of the mail, schools and the occasional snow plow. Maybe the rare encounter with the police- mostly local government services.

In the city, you commute on the Interstate, have entire neighborhoods on welfare and food stamps, and countless federally funded projects and employers.

A population more reliant on government will tend to vote for bigger government. Those who see the federal government as little more than a paycheck deduction and the military will tend to vote for smaller government.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 25, 2013 04:04 PM (SY2Kh)

87
2 things:

1. We should start with actual conservative candidates. That would help.

2. A good mailer for some of these young people is gonna be in 2014 after smokers rates on medical insurance are allowed to have up to a 50%! surcharge due to obamacare.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 25, 2013 04:04 PM (p/cQy)

88 In order to beat them we must become them? Isn't this a case of Luke Skywalker and the forest on Dagobah? If we copy what the liberals are doing, are we not becoming our own worst enemy? We should just stop worrying about elections for the next decade or so, leave that to the republicans. What we need to do is worry about changing America. We need to start working on putting out the pro-American message and shifting America. I mean we elected Obama twice. This is not a conservative America.

Posted by: Golden Boy at January 25, 2013 04:05 PM (zkASm)

89 @ 79 Eaton Cox
There's truth to that. For the last few years, the Republican Party has run on White resenetment. Rather than form an inclusive center-right coalition, it's just a party of resentful white people who want a theocracy. The missing center-right voters are people who despise the Socialism of the Democrats but are turned off by the bigotry of the Republican party. Until the Republicans put the white resentment types in their place, they will continue to lose.

Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:05 PM (p+4lN)

90 A good mailer for some of these young people is gonna be in 2014 after
smokers rates on medical insurance are allowed to have up to a 50%!
surcharge due to obamacare.


Why would they care? Mom's employer is paying that.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs an intervention at January 25, 2013 04:06 PM (ZKzrr)

91 Just put up a billboard that says: "Its OK to vote Republican." or "Don't panic. Voting GOP isn't going to kill babies or starve the elderly "

Use their fanaticism against the Democrats, and make satire.

Posted by: edmund at January 25, 2013 04:06 PM (Bjz58)

92 @76:A 25 year old single mom would probably throw it away, but that image and those few words will stay in her head.
Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at January 25, 2013 04:02 PM (NzBQO)
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Exactly. And this is subtly reinforced in the schools, in the media, in the late nite jokes, in the SNL sketches, in the throwaway lines in tv dramas, in the movies and movie magazines, etc.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at January 25, 2013 04:06 PM (Y5I9o)

93 A good mailer for some of these young people is gonna be in 2014 after smokers rates on medical insurance are allowed to have up to a 50%! surcharge due to obamacare.

Do we have that long? After 2014, the next major is 2016.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2013 04:06 PM (GFM2b)

94 Sorry, blacksheep, but abortion isn't about sex, it's about killing your fucking child. So no, I won't shut up about it.

Instead of covering our mouths, we should attack every single dem politician on their extreme views. 33rd week abortions. Defend that. Sex selective abortions. Defend that. Killing your kid because of a club foot (in the 33rd week). Just try to defend that.

Fight.

Posted by: Lauren at January 25, 2013 04:06 PM (wsGWu)

95 Wouldn't invading ones privacy by data mining, to sell "liberty" be contradictory?

It seems it, but not really. That information is all public domain (the retrieve it legally) and "volunteered" (often not knowingly, but all the same...). They didn't use secret FBI/NSA/CIA files. They didn't go get police records. They didn't install bugs on everyone's phones.

They went to demographic data-warehousing groups and bought as much information as they could. Completely legit (if creepy).

Do you think it's invading your privacy when, for instance, your pharmacy calls you up to tell you your RX is ready, before you even called for a refill?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 04:06 PM (8y9MW)

96 @ 81 Rick Perry
That's a very effective campaign technique. It would make the voters think about the gun policies of Democrats.

Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:06 PM (p+4lN)

97 Steal their playbook?

• Tell people with zero or negative tax liability that *other* people are somehow not paying their "fair share?"

• Hand out free cellphones and minutes to unintelligible gutter trash?

• Steal money from bond holders and hand over ownership of multi-billion dollar car companies to the union members to bankrupted it?

• Cruise the bus stations, soup kitchens and under bridges for bums with piss-stained pants to drag to polling places and have them vote with no ID under the name "Cap'n Frank?"

• Have an army of ghetto shitbags fraudulently register fictitious and dead voters?


That playbook?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 25, 2013 04:06 PM (mOyDx)

98 ace, you're on to something. ORCA will blow your pants off

Posted by: Mittens at January 25, 2013 04:07 PM (FKQng)

99 people who want a theocracy.

How many moons orbit your planet?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs an intervention at January 25, 2013 04:07 PM (ZKzrr)

100 >The Republican party will continue to get its ass kicked until they they become more inclusive and adapt technology.


Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:02 PM (p+4lN)


you mean like telephones and stuff?

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 25, 2013 04:08 PM (8sCoq)

101
GOP's biggest problem is their ineptitude in connecting with people. This fundamental flaw is what has allowed the Democrats to define Republicans.

Mailers won't work. Town hall meetings will, though.

It will not only energize the base but by speaking directly to people it will educate our office holders and candidates to what people really care about.

And when Republicans and conservatives and independents assemble, the Democrats shit their britches.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 25, 2013 04:08 PM (GcwH1)

102 The abortion question needs to be reframed by every conservative candidate, as such:
The government exists to protect rights. All people, even those unborn have rights. In any situation, the government should lean to the side of protecting life. There are situations where one must balance one life against another, but the government should never be in the business of allowing the convenience of one person from taking precedence over the life of another.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 25, 2013 04:08 PM (xtvQl)

103 98
ace, you're on to something. ORCA will blow your pants off


Posted by: Mittens at January 25, 2013 04:07 PM (FKQng)

Well, they gave me a "Happy Ending".

Posted by: Injun Black Foot Barry, the one that eats dogs. at January 25, 2013 04:08 PM (wR+pz)

104 Ace,

Regarding your comment on elitism and Sarah Palin's intellect, or lack thereof, I would say I value common sense more than anything else and a sense of decency and an understanding/foundational principle.


What is very instructive is to review the test subjects of Milgram's obedience experiments. It didn't matter what walk of life you were from, rich/poor; educated/uneducated; professional/blue collar; man/woman, the most shocking thing about the experiment was that you could not tell which one of the subjects would refuse to hurt another person.

The hint being even the educated, welloff, professionals make good fucking nazis.

The scientists were huge with the nazis.

These people tend to believe everything can be controlled, and can be controlled by HUMANS.

This is a falsehood, especially when it comes to OTHER HUMANS.

Once we understand that, true learning is possible. Trying to stop this fundamental truth leads to every nightmare that has been society over all these years, especially in the "industrialized" age. Where "means" of "control" are easy for the powerful to use and those that resist are simply disposed of.

Posted by: Prescient11 at January 25, 2013 04:08 PM (tVTLU)

105 @ 99 HeatherRadish
Dismiss my observations all you want, but that is the the perception of the Republican party.

Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:09 PM (p+4lN)

106 Adorable
Posted by: Dems at January 25, 2013 03:52 PM (wsGWu)

Right, whatever. Won't presume to speak to any other members of the GOP, but either we play to win or get the hell off the field. Any more of McCain's 'losing honorably' strategy and we'll be shunted off to the darkness of fringe for the duration. You like it out there, or what?

Posted by: troyriser at January 25, 2013 04:09 PM (vtiE6)

107 That playbook?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 25, 2013 04:06 PM (mOyDx)


Wait just one damn minute.......


Bullet points?!!

I want my subscription money back.

Posted by: Tami at January 25, 2013 04:09 PM (X6akg)

108 You really want to steal Obama's playbook? Then grow a spine and confront the left. No, I didn't think so. Okay, go back to "micro-targeting." That'll do it. That'll change the culture.

Posted by: rrpjr at January 25, 2013 04:09 PM (pnjFD)

109 @ 102 Vashta Nerada
Abortion is a losing issue, drop it. The stance should be, we do not want to pay for it. Leave it at that.

Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:09 PM (p+4lN)

110
Yeah, I don't think too many Mommas are gonna be happy paying for Jr's smoking premium starting next Jan.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 25, 2013 04:10 PM (p/cQy)

111 Dems need to be mocked. Endlessly. Like that Texas congressman who said they need more Asians to get math right...if I'm the Republicans down there I mock him on twitter, facebook, everywhere and all the time...

Posted by: My GF has big boobies at January 25, 2013 04:11 PM (F6KtL)

112 I think it's (in part) because for city dwellers (and I'm currently one), government plays a greater role in their daily lives.

I
grew up in a very rural area. The only evidence of the government we
regularly came in contact with was in the form of the mail, schools and
the occasional snow plow. Maybe the rare encounter with the police-
mostly local government services.

In the city, you commute on the
Interstate, have entire neighborhoods on welfare and food stamps, and
countless federally funded projects and employers.

A population
more reliant on government will tend to vote for bigger government.
Those who see the federal government as little more than a paycheck
deduction and the military will tend to vote for smaller government.


Well said. I've lived in the country, small town and the middle of a large city. What you said makes sense.

Posted by: ElKomandante at January 25, 2013 04:11 PM (xIUnF)

113 I pay for AoS Premium, Tami.



BTW, how bad could Truman North have fucked up to get hisself banned? He's been around a long time. How does that happen?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 25, 2013 04:11 PM (mOyDx)

114 Pussies need balls to back their convictions and our rights first. Playbook isnt going to do shit for you when no one believes you believe what you say.

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 25, 2013 04:11 PM (+OTLF)

115 The operating principle needs to be there is no such thing as too many knees to the groin of your opponent. The plan needs to to be find the next Lee Atwater, puthim in charge and get the fuck out ofthe way.

Posted by: Joe at January 25, 2013 04:12 PM (TQaK3)

116 For the more shocking/"extreme" flyers and political mailers, the GOP wouldn't do that themselves, they'd need to get proxies to do it for them.

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 25, 2013 04:12 PM (XvHmy)

117 Town hall meetings will, though.


I don't see people working two 28-hr/wk jobs to make ends meet having a lot of desire to go out in the evening to listen to someone who isn't giving away free shit.


Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs an intervention at January 25, 2013 04:12 PM (ZKzrr)

118
63>>>>if the fate of our country rests on painstakingly digging up little packets of half-awake conservatives...well then all is fucking lost anyway.
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That's it, isn't it? If you can't sellprosperity andfreedom to people whose incomes andliberties are eroding away, then it's probably not the message.

Posted by: Beef at January 25, 2013 04:12 PM (mb1uj)

119 Abortion is a losing issue, drop it. The stance should be, we do not want to pay for it. Leave it at that.
Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:09 PM (p+4lN)
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Over half of the coalition follow Christian principles. If you give those up, there is no chance of winning, or having anything worth winning.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 25, 2013 04:12 PM (xtvQl)

120 The republican base will have to come to grips America has changed. Not everyone is rural, white or evangelical. The base will need to make alliances with groups they currently detest in order to win.

Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:12 PM (p+4lN)

121 "Abortion is a losing issue, drop it. "

Sure. And the GOP.will never win another election. If the GOP stops defending the most basic right to life, they will be abandoned in droves.

Posted by: Lauren at January 25, 2013 04:13 PM (wsGWu)

122 Its not at all a stretch to say that Obama wouldn't
have even been the Dem nominee in 2008 if it weren't for media fawning
over him. Let alone won election, let alone won re-election.




Posted by: looking closely at January 25, 2013 03:56

It's not a stretch -- it's a fact. The MSM called Bill Clinton a racist, covered up the entire Rev. Wright deal and spun Obama's poor debate performances in his favor during the Dem *primary.*

People think Obama "handed Hillary her ass" during the Dem primary, but it isn't true -- that's just the way the MSM reported it. When Obama gave his infamous "this is the moment when the planet began to heal" speech in June 2008 after he "cinched" the Dem nomination, he in fact did *not* have the delegates needed to be named the nominee. (Neither did Hillary Clinton, but she only had about 17 less delegates and she had a huge lead over him in the popular votes because most of Obama's wins were caucus states). The Dem nominee was picked by the superdelegates at the convention -- which is quite ironic given that very early on during the primary Obama-fluffer no. 1 Donna Brazile declared there would be "blood on the streets" if the superdelegates picked the nominee when it looked like most were in Hillary's column.

And that's not even getting into the mess of that DNC rules committee meeting on May 31, 2008 where delegates that represented votes for Hillary were actually taken from her and given *to* Obama based on MI primary exit polling (again, not covered by MSM so, for all intents and purposes, it didn't happen).

Posted by: angienc at January 25, 2013 04:14 PM (w3JGl)

123 @ 119 Vashta Nerada
Christianity does not call for a theocracy. Let abortion be between that person and god. This issue is the biggest stumbling block in expanding the GOP. If you want to stay pure on this issue, you will never win another election.


Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:14 PM (p+4lN)

124 How many million fewer voters did NARWHAL net Obama than in 2008?

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 25, 2013 04:15 PM (xGlYu)

125 Over half of the coalition follow Christian principles. If you give
those up, there is no chance of winning, or having anything worth
winning.


Looks like people would rather lose. Hey, fascism's not so bad...the alternative is having those icky Christians in the public sphere. *shudder* They might even take away jwest's right to kill people to save a few bucks.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs an intervention at January 25, 2013 04:15 PM (ZKzrr)

126 When did 'prosperity' become such a four letter word?

Prosperity is racist.


Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs an intervention at January 25, 2013 04:04 PM (ZKzrr)



Did someone say 401ks and IRAs?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 25, 2013 04:15 PM (1Jaio)

127 Good timing.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 25, 2013 04:15 PM (bxiXv)

128 109 @ 102 Vashta Nerada
Abortion is a losing issue, drop it. The stance should be, we do not want to pay for it. Leave it at that.

Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:09 PM (p+4lN)


There is a difference between proper messaging and selling out one's values.

You run primarily on issues that you and the electorate both support. When you get into office, change those things that the electorate may not support you one only incrementally so as to not create a backlash.

The Dems didn't start out demanding gay marriage, they slowly changed things until it was possible to pass it with ease.

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 25, 2013 04:15 PM (XvHmy)

129 Sure. And the GOP.will never win another election. If the GOP stops defending the most basic right to life, they will be abandoned in droves.
Posted by: Lauren at January 25, 2013 04:13 PM (wsGWu)

I'm with you there.

Posted by: troyriser at January 25, 2013 04:15 PM (vtiE6)

130 @ 121 Lauren
The gop will keep losing elections over that stupid issue. If this continues, another center-right party will overtake the republicans and you will go the way of the whigs.

Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:16 PM (p+4lN)

131
The republican base will have to come to grips America has changed. Not
everyone is rural, white or evangelical. The base will need to make
alliances with groups they currently detest in order to win.


Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:12 PM (p+4lN)




Thank you for your advice Megan McCain

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 25, 2013 04:16 PM (1Jaio)

132
BTW, how bad could Truman North have fucked up to get hisself banned? He's been around a long time. How does that happen?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 25, 2013 04:11 PM (mOyDx)


I missed that. Today?

Posted by: Tami at January 25, 2013 04:16 PM (X6akg)

133 Abortion itself isn't what loses the issue for the GOP. What does that is the fucking assholes like Todd Akin who make it plausible to believe that opposition to abortion is step one is the grand plan to ban condoms and seal up everyone's lady parts in Federal Reserve.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at January 25, 2013 04:16 PM (Y5I9o)

134 123 @ 119 Vashta Nerada
Christianity does not call for a theocracy. Let abortion be between that person and god. This issue is the biggest stumbling block in expanding the GOP. If you want to stay pure on this issue, you will never win another election.


Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:14 PM (p+4lN)


Follow your advice, and we can all be as successful as Scott Brown.

Stop trying to frame your dumbass personal beliefs as winning electoral strategy. It's cowardly.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 25, 2013 04:16 PM (uhAkr)

135 Abortion is a losing issue, drop it. The stance should be, we do not want to pay for it. Leave it at that.


Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:09 PM (p+4lN)

So, how long ago did you pay for that abortion?

Posted by: tcn at January 25, 2013 04:17 PM (VLG62)

136 The Dems didn't start out demanding gay marriage, they slowly changed things until it was possible to pass it with ease.

This is where AmishDude and I point out we're so old, we remember when suggesting gays form permanent pairs instead of perpetually whoring around was homophobic.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs an intervention at January 25, 2013 04:17 PM (ZKzrr)

137 BTW, how bad could Truman North have fucked up to get hisself banned? He's been around a long time. How does that happen?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 25, 2013 04:11 PM (mOyDx)
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Was he a casualty of the Palin War we had earlier?

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at January 25, 2013 04:17 PM (Y5I9o)

138 How does that happen? Posted by: Empire of Jeff a

Somehow forget that mentioning death or murder of a certain person is forbidden even in the context of a joke.

Truman not a ahole or a dummy, so momentary lapse I suppose.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 25, 2013 04:17 PM (xz0nG)

139 @ 129 troyriser
Then enjoy 1 party rule in washington then. This abortion crap has been debated for 40 years. It's not a winning issue.

Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:17 PM (p+4lN)

140
102The abortion question needs to be reframed by every conservative candidate, as such:

The government exists to protect rights. All people, even those unborn have rights. In any situation, the government should lean to the side of protecting life. There are situations where one must balance one life against another, but the government should never be in the business of allowing the convenience of one person from taking precedence over the life of another.

-------------

The problem with this is...the Left has successfully emplanted the meme:
"The Right to Choose"

You say..."The government exists to protect rights"?
The Leftists would agree with that.
They say that the government needs to protect a 'Woman's Right to Choose'.

Posted by: wheatie at January 25, 2013 04:18 PM (fH4X9)

141 The gop will keep losing elections over that stupid
issue. If this continues, another center-right party will overtake the
republicans and you will go the way of the whigs.


Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:16 PM (p+4lN)

It's only stupid if you are not the one being aborted.

Posted by: tcn at January 25, 2013 04:18 PM (VLG62)

142 The problem with data mining like this is that reliance on such data mining without also using traditional methods will miss voters. Hell, it would miss me. I don't use facebook. My twitter use is incredibly intermittent. If you data mine off my pinterest, you would draw what would most likely be exactly the wrong assumptions.


I absolutely agree that data mining such as this should be used. But it shouldn't completely replace traditional methods.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Take us away. at January 25, 2013 04:18 PM (Gk3SS)

143 I know the social moderates-to-liberals/fiscal conservatives don't like this, but perhaps the single most important issue in pushing southern States Red was abortion. More generally it was God and all the Social Issues, but if you want a hot button, it's Abortion.

If the Republican Party gives up on it- even if they don't really, and just want to shelve it for a little bit, but the MFM plays it up as Republicans "abandoning their base," (and face it, they will): Republicans start losing the south.

You want Texas to become a battle ground state? You want Oklahoma to become a battle ground state? Stop opposing Abortion on Demand. That'll do it.

You may not like it, but you've got to face up to it.

That said: Republican politicians need to be a lot smarter in how they address it and how they answer questions pertaining to it. Magic vaginas and "Rape is a gift from God" (no, not what he said. But it what people heard that he said), are not going to win elections.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 04:18 PM (8y9MW)

144 Chilling is a troll, possibly a paulian. Do not engage.

Posted by: joncelli at January 25, 2013 04:18 PM (RD7QR)

145 That said, that's the terrain we fight on, and there's little use complaining about it. This technique must be copied.

Unfortunately, as JohnE told Laura Ingraham, the RNC is still content with rubbing two sticks together.

Posted by: John P. Squibob, channeling his inner Howard Cosell at January 25, 2013 04:18 PM (kqqGm)

146 @ 134 Bevel Lemelisk
How did Todd Akins do?

Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:18 PM (p+4lN)

147 If you want to stay pure on this issue, you will never win another election.
Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:14 PM (p+4lN)

I like that caveat you snuck in: 'If you want to stay pure on this issue'. You'll find few abortion absolutists in the GOP. I oppose abortion, yes, but I'm not going to use state coercion to force a woman to carry the child toterm.

To win on this issue, we need to convey the extremism of the Democratic Party's stance: third-trimester and partial birth abortions on demand IS the extremist position.

Posted by: troyriser at January 25, 2013 04:19 PM (vtiE6)

148 how bad could Truman North have fucked up to get hisself banned? He's been around a long time. How does that happen?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 25, 2013 04:11 PM (mOyDx)
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Truman North got banned? Boy ya take a few hours off and ya miss a lot of shit around here.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2013 04:19 PM (jE38p)

149 The gop will keep losing elections over that stupid

issue. If this continues, another center-right party will overtake the

republicans and you will go the way of the whigs.




Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:16 PM (p+4lN)



Says Chilling from this side of the birth canal.

Posted by: Tami at January 25, 2013 04:19 PM (X6akg)

150 They might start by finding a conservative and principled (but I repeat myself) candidate that has management skills and the willingness to go toe to toe with the MFM and give them a bloody fucking beatdown.

I'm talking about bringing a battalion of Abrams tanks to a series of bar brawls.

And at the same time lose the professional self defeating political strategists that the GOP traditionally throw work to while pissing away contributions and blowing elections and the MFM.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 25, 2013 04:19 PM (aZ6ew)

151 >>>Posted by: Eaton Cox
>>>Posted by: Chilling

Look we have two trolls. Stroking each other off.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 25, 2013 04:19 PM (0q2P7)

152 the first thing we need to do is destroy the main stream media's credability. we need to hammer them on EVERY false or misleading story they publish...like the chicago gun sling that they said was a grenade launcher mount.
we need to take stories like this and spam every left leaning blog, news outlet, and facebook page, not once, but day after day, time after time, story after story, untill they either stop, or people stop believing them.

i believe the term is "death by a thousand paper cuts"

Posted by: xtron at January 25, 2013 04:19 PM (x5GOG)

153 They say that the government needs to protect a 'Woman's Right to Choose'.



Posted by: wheatie at January 25, 2013 04:18 PM (fH4X9)

So, we need to fill in the blank at the end of that phrase. Right to choose to murder her child. Plain and simple. Just finish the phrase every time it comes up.

Posted by: tcn at January 25, 2013 04:19 PM (VLG62)

154 I think someone mentioned this idea the other night.

We need to start having ONE spokesman for the party and enforce some disciple on the members of congress to STFU.

One clear message to counter Barry's mouth piece. Everyday, Carney talks. After he finishes, we talk.

The MSM would have to cover both sides and we get a clear message out, not 265 individual messages.

KISS= Keep It Simple Stupid.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 25, 2013 04:19 PM (wR+pz)

155 That's it, isn't it? If you can't sellprosperity andfreedom to people whose incomes andliberties are eroding away, then it's probably not the message.
Posted by: Beef at January 25, 2013 04:12 PM (mb1uj)


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With a little positive advertizing it could work.

How about this: If you're tired of working two jobs 12 to 14 hours a day, paying $4 dollars for a gallon of gas, tired of paying $2 a pound for hamburger, then come to the town hall meeting tonight. We'll tell you how you could make your life exponentially better.

.......or something like this.

Posted by: Soona at January 25, 2013 04:20 PM (/ZV9/)

156 "Obama used advanced data-mining techniques..."

You have no idea.

BTW, we actually are evil and we support Progressivism (BIRM).

Posted by: Google at January 25, 2013 04:20 PM (eHIJJ)

157 It's all going to burn, and Average Joe along with it.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 25, 2013 04:20 PM (evdj2)

158 :::138 How does that happen? Posted by: Empire of Jeff a

Somehow forget that mentioning death or murder of a certain person is forbidden even in the context of a joke.

Truman not a ahole or a dummy, so momentary lapse I suppose.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 25, 2013 04:17 PM (xz0nG):::

Yep. That'll do it.

Thanks.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 25, 2013 04:20 PM (mOyDx)

159 Annnnnd now we're discussing abortion.


Look! My server's back up! *flees*

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Take us away. at January 25, 2013 04:20 PM (Gk3SS)

160 146 @ 134 Bevel Lemelisk
How did Todd Akins do?


Is he somehow less a senator right now than Scott Brown?

Your claim is abortion is why we lose. So why did Scott Brown lose if he did exactly what you said?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 25, 2013 04:21 PM (uhAkr)

161 We have to do what ever we have to WIN. After we win we can govern like gentlemen, but until then it's a War. That is how the other side is playing it. Level playing field and all.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2013 04:21 PM (jE38p)

162 How did Todd Akins do?
Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:18 PM (p+4lN)

Todd Akins is an idiot, the worst possible right-to-life spokesman one could imagine. McCaskill's people used the Chicago strategy of voting in the Republican primaries to ensure the weakest GOP candidate won the nomination.If abortion hadn't come up,Akinsprobably would've stepped on it on another issue eventually.

Posted by: troyriser at January 25, 2013 04:21 PM (vtiE6)

163 144
Chilling is a troll, possibly a paulian. Do not engage.


Posted by: joncelli at January 25, 2013 04:18 PM (RD7QR)

Could be a troll, could just be an asshole.

Posted by: tcn at January 25, 2013 04:21 PM (VLG62)

164 Free Truman North. If he fucked up then talk to him about it, but he's generally a good guy who's been around for a long time without offense.

Posted by: Blacksheep at January 25, 2013 04:21 PM (8/DeP)

165 @ 143 AllenG (Dedicated Tenther)
I am willing to lose the south to beat the democrats. That region has been dead weight on the gop. The truth is southern republcians are not fiscal/economic conservatives. they are theocratic progressives. I will gladly abandon the south if it means the GOP will be a party of individual liberty and free market. I have my Priest on Sunday to lecture morality to me.

Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:21 PM (p+4lN)

166 >>>Chilling is a troll, possibly a paulian. Do not engage.

Can't be a paulin. Laup Nor is against abortion.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 25, 2013 04:21 PM (0q2P7)

167 re: "Use their fanaticism against the Democrats, and make satire."

This is a much better idea than harassing people--whose supposed disengagement in fact represents an American-conservative aversion to politics--with a barrage of finely lifestyle-targeted let's-get-political shit...sent on behalf of candidates who hate them.

I mean, "What Would Breitbart Do?" Fill your mailbox with infuriating garbage! From your vindictive mother-in-law!

...

Yeah, fuck it. Pay more consultants, more campaign-parasite traveling grifters, more politicians' groupies and spreadsheet-with-a-buzzword-on it scam artists. They know what they're doing.

With your money.

While openly wishing they worked for the Democratic Supermen who are Our Superiors.

Do it.

Posted by: oblig. at January 25, 2013 04:21 PM (cePv8)

168 >> We must absolutely copy this technique.

No. A thousand times no!

Copying what the Dems did leaves us running their 2012 tactics while they upgrade to SuperDem 2016 or whatever. We have to leapfrog them.

Copying them gets you Orca, which was a copy of something Team Obama did in 2008 called Houdini. It didn't work either, but Team Obama was smart enough not to put all its eggs in one basket.

Posted by: Andy at January 25, 2013 04:21 PM (C/NnJ)

169 Latinos wont come out in droves (not saying she might not get the
majority) for hillary. They are more patriarchal then current US society
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"Hispanics voted for Sen. Hillary Clinton over Sen. Barack Obama by a
margin of nearly two-to-one in the race for the 2008 Democratic
presidential nomination, according to an analysis by the Pew Hispanic
Center of exit polls taken throughout the primary season."


[link to Pew - Hispanic]

Posted by: RioBravo at January 25, 2013 04:22 PM (eEfYn)

170 Until we put an end to vote fraud, this is all just masturbation.
They used machines that registered Romney votes as votes for tfg.

Posted by: Real Joe at January 25, 2013 04:22 PM (u1hOQ)

171 @138

Me thinks alcohol may have been involved.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 25, 2013 04:22 PM (wR+pz)

172 >>>Posted by: Eaton Cox
>>>Posted by: Chilling

Look we have two trolls. Stroking each other off.

More likely it's one troll masturbating with both hands.

Posted by: ToursLepantoVienna at January 25, 2013 04:22 PM (6NIyO)

173 I started to post the infinite list of things the Republicans should do and I just stopped myself because it is pointless. The commenters alone on this site could run a better campaign than the Republican professional class, but we are not their campaigners and we never will be.

LiFB.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 25, 2013 04:22 PM (evdj2)

174 One thing we absolutely MUST do is STOP APOLOGIZING for the things we say. Phil Mickelson complained about taxes the other day. Now he's apologizing for it. Guarantee he doesn't *feel* apologetic. He just doesn't want bad press.

Every time the media gets a republican to apologize or explain something, it makes it look like we know we're wrong, but we keep saying stuff anyway.

Posted by: Farmer Joe at January 25, 2013 04:23 PM (HJsDx)

175 "The gop will keep losing elections over that stupid issue.


There are 650,000 people marching on Washington today who will never, ever, vote for a pro abortion candidate. There are throngs of white Catholics who will never vote for a pro abortion candidate. There are millions of evangelical Christians who will never vote for a pro abortion candidate.

"

Posted by: Lauren at January 25, 2013 04:23 PM (wsGWu)

176 @ 160 Bevel Lemelisk
Scott Brown lost because the of the image of the national gop. The party is viewed with good reason as bunch of resentful theocrat white bigots. The republican party dragged down scott brown.

How did murdoch do?

Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:23 PM (p+4lN)

177 Me thinks alcohol may have been involved.
Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 25, 2013 04:22 PM (wR+pz)


Nectar of the G-Ds? The hell you say

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2013 04:23 PM (jE38p)

178 I have my Priest on Sunday to lecture morality to me.


Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:21 PM (p+4lN)

No, no you don't. Or, if you do, maybe you should start listening. Until then, FOAD.

Posted by: tcn at January 25, 2013 04:23 PM (VLG62)

179
89>>>"The missing center-right voters are people who despise the Socialism of the Democrats but are turned off by the bigotry of the Republican party."
Bullshit. Republicans aren't bigots just because the democrats label them as such. The democrats are a coalition of leftists and non-whites. The Republicans have no other population to draw from other than center-right white voters, many of whom are turned off because the dems portray that natural whiteness as some kind of bigotry.
The Republican brand has been an appeal to the kind of universalist ideal embodied in the founding documents. If minorities tend to not embrace universalism in favor of tribal interests, that does not make the Republicans the party of bigots.

Posted by: Beef at January 25, 2013 04:24 PM (mb1uj)

180 Somehow forget that mentioning death or murder of a certain person is forbidden even in the context of a joke.

Yikes. Definitely can't have that. I'd still talk to him about it, though. Sounds like an unusual lapse in judgment.

Posted by: Blacksheep at January 25, 2013 04:24 PM (8/DeP)

181 @ 175 Lauren
Then enjoy going the way of the whigs. In 20 years, the republicans will be just a regional party that places in 3rd place in national elections. A new center-right party will merge and be competitive with democrats. enjoy the death of your party!

Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:24 PM (p+4lN)

182 ElKomandante: "They [the MFM] are willfully ignorant."

I believe the word is "complicit," not ignorant, willing or otherwise, though they are often that, too.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 25, 2013 04:25 PM (eHIJJ)

183 There is one problem that faces us that the Democrats don't face -- note
that this technique involves a lot of saying one thing to one audience
while saying something different to another. In their private mailers,
Democrats ran as abortion and gay marriage enthusiasts... something they
did not run on generally. (They pretended to not be outright liberal
extremist generally.)
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No, it's not. They get away with it by having the extreme positions sent out by 1) individuals associated with the party but not speaking for the party; Michele, Sandra Fluke, etc. 2) Groups everyone knows were working hand in glove with the party but fully above-board as far as the FEC cared, 3) Plausible deniability.

Now, having the media cover for all this is great. But for the GOP, the same will work, just dial up a few more layers of separation from the candidate and the messenger.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 25, 2013 04:25 PM (imtbm)

184 here's why conservatives lose on the abortion issue:

The R candidate says something like "I would like to see Roe v Wade overturned. Let state governments decide the issue, based on what their voters say they want."

That night, the nightly news soundbite is 'The R candidate wants to see Roe v Wade overturned.'

The next day, the D candidate runs a TV commercial saying 'the R candidate wants to overturn Roe v Wade in order to take away women's reproductive rights!'

And the R candidate never answers.

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 25, 2013 04:25 PM (8sCoq)

185 enjoy the death of your party!


Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:24 PM (p+4lN)

What part of FOAD did you not hear?

Posted by: tcn at January 25, 2013 04:25 PM (VLG62)

186 @143no, not what he said. But it what people heard that he said).
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 04:18 PM (8y9MW)
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This parenthetical is all we need to know about why we're losing. Take a step back and look at what Trolls come here to say, and then remember that their obnoxious talking points are "truth" for an enormous number of no-info voters.

But "no-info" is the wrong word. They have a lot of kneejerk assumptions ingrained from general culture ("Democrats CARE!", "Republicans are usually all white"). What the Obama campaign did was leverage that cultural capital in a what never before seen in order to make voting into something of a personal accessory (cf. "My" barack Obama. All the crap Libs used to bash about Dubya's "branding" of the presidency...they were just mad because they wanted to monopolize that strategy. And now they have)

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at January 25, 2013 04:25 PM (Y5I9o)

187 Thank you for your advice Megan McCain
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Yes this centrist compassionate conservative crap is total shit. The democrats do not nominate conservative moderates. They nominate the core base then lie about it. We need to do the same. Rand Paul... for the children. It's not that hard of a sell actually with our mountain if debt. We need to energize are base and lie to the LIV. They are fucking idiots and love being lied too and pandered too. They love to tell people they are thoughtful independents, but they are fucking idiots. Lie to them, who gives 2 shits? They clearly don't care about being lied too.

Posted by: gigg at January 25, 2013 04:26 PM (41VCE)

188 Scott Brown lost because the of the image of the
national gop. The party is viewed with good reason as bunch of resentful
theocrat white bigots. The republican party dragged down scott brown.

How did murdoch do?


Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:23 PM (p+4lN)



Let me guess, Miss McCain, you've always voted Republican going back to Lincoln but the party has become sooooooo intolerant that you just can't support no mores.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 25, 2013 04:26 PM (1Jaio)

189 @ 179 Beef
Do republcians even try to win minority votes? Nope, just re-read what you wrote with your tribal accusations and tell me how a minority will read that. I know minorities who are center-right, but they feel unwelcomed in the gop and sense hostility. Seeing some of the comments on conservative sites, I do not blame them.

Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:26 PM (p+4lN)

190 There are millions of evangelical Christians who will never vote for a pro abortion candidate.

Yep. Myself among them. I have voted once for a pro-abortion candidate, Gerald Ford, and that was because I didn't know. Even if it were a affective vote for someone like the SCoaMF, I could not do it.

That's one of the reasons I don't hammer every non-voting purity person. We all have our personal limit that's not amenable to persuasion.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 25, 2013 04:26 PM (evdj2)

191 :::Scott Brown lost because the of the image of the national gop. The party is viewed with good reason as bunch of resentful theocrat white bigots:::

Shut the fuck up. You sound like a dago.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 25, 2013 04:27 PM (mOyDx)

192 Well, I hope you're not taking communion then, jackass. That whole drinking damnation upon yourself thing can be a bitch.

Support for life is the only thing holding together a fairly loose coalition of people who would otherwise be acting in their own perceived self interest in joining up with the free shit army. You may not like them, but you sure as hell need them.

Posted by: Lauren at January 25, 2013 04:27 PM (wsGWu)

193 @ 187 gigg
Rand Paul is advocating what I am calling for. An inclusive center-right coalition based on individual freedom. I love Rand Paul, he's my type of republican.

Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:28 PM (p+4lN)

194 This is how a conservative candidate can win on abortion: Make a TV commerical showing an actual partial-birth abortion with the narrator saying "THIS is what [Democrat Candidate] wants to FORCE you to pay for."

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 25, 2013 04:28 PM (XvHmy)

195 > BTW, how bad could Truman North have fucked up to get hisself banned? He's been around a long time. How does that happen?

I saw one post where he made a wisecrack hoping something bad happened to a certain leader with ears like jug handles, followed by the word banhammer and a question mark. There may have been more than that, but if so I missed it.

I dunno, seems like a post flush and move on moment rather than a ban deal to me, but I don't run the place.

Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at January 25, 2013 04:28 PM (ZWvOb)

196 Chilling is a troll

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 25, 2013 04:21 PM (0q2P7)


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I concur.

Posted by: Soona at January 25, 2013 04:28 PM (/ZV9/)

197 >>>How did murdoch do?

Personally I don't even care anymore. I want single party Democrat rule. Why I live in California and I know what it looks like. If people fall for your type of lies, simultaneously not realizing that a wholly amoral people cannot be free, then slavery to to your utopian socialism is what is needed. If we say the law will not protect the innocent unborn, than what appeal can any of us make that it should protect us? Law becomes an arbitrary contrivance, not the assurer of rights. As such it becomes ultimately a bludgeon for the slaver.

The amoral cannot be free not even in atheist political theory. Sorry Charlie.

LiB

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 25, 2013 04:28 PM (0q2P7)

198 Gen. Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said Thursday that with women now eligible to fill combat roles in the military, commanders must justify why any woman might be excluded – and, if women can’t meet any unit’s standard, the Pentagon will ask: “Does it really have to be that high?”

I can't believe he said that? So now they are lowering standards? Fucking liberals are out to ruin the Military and this country

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2013 04:29 PM (jE38p)

199 Seeing some of the comments on conservative sites, I do not blame them.


Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:26 PM (p+4lN)

Sweetie, any racism or classism or other issues you would like to paint on Republicans with your broad brush are entirely the purview of your progressive asshat friends who have to label everyone by race, creed, and sexual perversion. You get to own that one, lock stock and barrel.
Now, go lay down by your dish.

Posted by: tcn at January 25, 2013 04:29 PM (VLG62)

200 Welcome Chilling, the new moby provided by our Marxist overlords!

Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at January 25, 2013 04:29 PM (ZWvOb)

201 Ok, here's Obama's playbook. You tell me how to "steal it":

The "community organizers" that get people signed up for benefits, the managers of public housing projects, and the other various local "activists" that carry a LOT of clout go door to door making sure you are registered to vote and on election day, escort you to the polling place. There is an implied suggestion without really saying so that if you don't play along, the next time you need something (landlord has turned off the heat, you have a broken window and it is 10 below zero, etc) you are on your own if you don't play along. If you want the help of the local political agitators or organizations when you have a problem. then you are going to have to help THEN when THEY have a problem and elect their candidates to office. Obama is one of their candidates.

The GOP can NOT compete with that until they have activist organizations in those communities and manage to convince the people that the Democrat organizations are using them and keeping them trapped in their current situation across the generations just so they can KEEP using them. The GOP needs to market itself as the escape hatch from the perpetual poverty and the mechanism by which the people can help themselves out of that situation.

Until that happens, there is nothing the GOP is going to be able to do in Philadelphia, Cleveland, Chicago, LA and other places.

Posted by: crosspatch at January 25, 2013 04:30 PM (YRCZD)

202 This is how a conservative candidate can win on abortion: Make a TV commerical showing an actual partial-birth abortion with the narrator saying "THIS is what [Democrat Candidate] wants to FORCE you to pay for."
Posted by: The Political Hat at January 25, 2013 04:28 PM (XvHmy)


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Blunt force trauma. It's the only thing the LiV is going to understand.

Posted by: Soona at January 25, 2013 04:30 PM (/ZV9/)

203 no, not what he said. But it what people heard that he said), are not going to win elections.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 04:18 PM (8y9MW)


That was the center of the whole Goldstein / Patterico blowup. Patterico said Republicans can't say anything the MFM can misinterpret, Goldstein quite rightly pointed out *there is no such thing*, and it devolved into a gutter brawl from there.

You *cannot* overcome the MFM advantage by retreating. You have to take them on directly, which the GOP has only been willing to do fitfully and weakly.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 25, 2013 04:30 PM (bxiXv)

204 . I love Rand Paul, he's my type of republican.


He's prolife. Idiot. So prolife, in fact, that he's leading the aforementioned march for life today.

Posted by: Lauren at January 25, 2013 04:30 PM (wsGWu)

205 This is how a conservative candidate can win on abortion: Make a TV commerical showing an actual partial-birth abortion
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I am s sorry but that is not appropriate content for our audience.

Posted by: TVS tation Director at January 25, 2013 04:30 PM (eEfYn)

206 I can't believe he said that? So now they are lowering standards? Fucking liberals are out to ruin the Military and this country

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2013 04:29 PM (jE38p)

I think it was kind of obvious this is where they wanted to go...

Posted by: KG at January 25, 2013 04:30 PM (p7BzH)

207 > The commenters alone on this site could run a better campaign than the Republican professional class,


Candidate Jones in CO's opponent would be (politically) bloody beaten and bruised early and often, 24/7, right thru election day

My opponent's time would be 100% consumed in defending himself and his record- he wouldn't have a moment's rest

his every utterance, every vote, would be turned against him

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 25, 2013 04:31 PM (8sCoq)

208 Welcome Chilling, the new moby provided by our Marxist overlords!

I can't even remember who chilly is, since I've had (p+4lN) on the blocker list for so long. Nativist maybe?

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 25, 2013 04:31 PM (evdj2)

209
153They say that the government needs to protect a 'Woman's Right to Choose'.



Posted by: wheatie at January 25, 2013 04:18 PM (fH4X9)


So, we need to fill in the blank at the end of that phrase. Right to choose to murder her child. Plain and simple. Just finish the phrase every time it comes up.

I've said this before....it takes two.
It takes two people to create an 'unwanted' pregnancy.

I think where we go wrong...and play into the hands of the Left, as being 'anti-women'...is to keep attacking women as though they are the sole reason why abortions happen.

For every abortion that happens...there is a guy out there who didn't want that baby, or didn't do a good job of convincing the woman to have his baby.

If we call women 'murderers' for aborting their babies...we are giving a pass to all the guys out there who told those women to "just go take care of it".

Posted by: wheatie at January 25, 2013 04:31 PM (fH4X9)

210 Posted by: Jones in CO at January 25, 2013 04:25 PM (8sCoq)

This. Muddied, incongruent messaging on this issue is killing us. Since the MSM are all Dems and want them to win, the GOP position on abortion and all other sex issues de facto becomes the most extreme thing any Republican has said in that election cycle.

So long as Bachmann, Akins, Murdoch and the rest of these dumbasses can't figure out a reasonable way to talk about abortion and rape, we shouldn't be talking it. Get in power, then make the changes you want. In the interim, cloak your pro-life views as state's rights and with uniform nomenclature (all lives are inherently valuable, etc.). Our side's rape fuckups are simply unbelievable and unforgivable.

Posted by: Blacksheep at January 25, 2013 04:31 PM (8/DeP)

211 The biggest battle for the next prez. election is with in a few months with the budget battle. If spending gets back to a rational safer level, alot of the preeezy's supporters will be "un-bought" but will be pissed out of their minds. They will never ever accept their freebies are bankrupting this country and they will stick to the rich aren't paying their "fair share."

The sooner debt is tackled the better. It is sickening how many PSA's are on the radio advertising everything from food stamps, soc. sec. disability, to dangerous paint chips to blame your child's misbehavior on and encouraging people to sue.

Posted by: Deli LLama at January 25, 2013 04:31 PM (lGu1O)

212 @ 199 tcn

I am a libertarian who believes in individual liberty and inclusiveness. Enjoy the last few years of the relevancy as a party. A new center-right will emerge and republcians will be just be a party of rural people and theocrats. History is passing you by!

Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:31 PM (p+4lN)

213 Andy said he'd be merciful depending on how Truman responded to his email. Andy is reasonable. It was early in the day, I can't believe Truman was under the influence. he was pushing the envelope and knew it. He ended his one sentence post with "Banhammer?" I guess Truman just needs to show proper contrition or resort to bribery.

Posted by: L, elle at January 25, 2013 04:31 PM (0PiQ4)

214 Rand Paul is advocating what I am calling for. An
inclusive center-right coalition based on individual freedom. I love
Rand Paul, he's my type of republican.


Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:28 PM (p+4lN)


The same Rand Paul who was at the Pro-life rally today?

Sen. Rand Paul, a first-term Kentucky Republican who is a physician,
spoke about times he looked "into the eyes of one-pound babies … cradled
their small bodies in the palm of one hand."

"I believe that great nations and great civilizations spring from a
people who have a moral compass," Paul said. "Our nation is adrift,
adrift in a wilderness where right and wrong have become subservient to a
hedonism of the moment. I believe our country is in need of a
revival."





That Rand Paul?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 25, 2013 04:31 PM (1Jaio)

215 176 @ 160 Bevel Lemelisk
Scott Brown lost because the of the image of the national gop. The party is viewed with good reason as bunch of resentful theocrat white bigots. The republican party dragged down scott brown.

How did murdoch do?
Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:23 PM (p+


Scott Brown lost to a fake Indian from Oklahoma.

If you think the loss had anything to do with issues and not with handouts, you're a moron.

If your dumbass theory is correct, there should be more pro-choice GOP congressmen and senators, since the pro-life position is so toxic.

How did Linda McMahon do?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 25, 2013 04:32 PM (uhAkr)

216 >>>enjoy the death of your party!

Oh I am. I've got weenies and marshmallows to roast over the LiB Fire.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 25, 2013 04:32 PM (0q2P7)

217 193---

Well Troll or not, however we nominate will be called a racist, homophobic evil rich guy. If we nominate a half latino, half black tranny from the projects, they will get the same label. So we do not need to worry about the media perception of the person. We need to get a real no nonsense guy (or girl) that will fight for limited government first. I think we can win with a pro-life guy.

Posted by: gigg at January 25, 2013 04:32 PM (41VCE)

218 @ 204 Lauren
He's pro-life but does not seek to impose that view through government. He is open to making alliances with people who are not into social issues. Read his interviews.

Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:33 PM (p+4lN)

219 >>>>Rand Paul is advocating what I am calling for. An inclusive center-right
coalition based on individual freedom. I love Rand Paul, he's my type
of republican.

BTW Rand Paul went on Beck this morning and said abortion should be illegal so.....Maybe you should rethink your position.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 25, 2013 04:33 PM (0q2P7)

220 however - whoever. Sorry getting riled up with this shit again.

Posted by: gigg at January 25, 2013 04:33 PM (41VCE)

221 I can't even remember who chilly is, since I've had (p+4lN) on the blocker list for so long. Nativist maybe?





Posted by: toby928©


Hector.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 25, 2013 04:34 PM (xz0nG)

222 I am a libertarian who believes in individual liberty and inclusiveness. Enjoy the last few years of the relevancy as a party. A new center-right will emerge and republcians will be just be a party of rural people and theocrats. History is passing you by!
Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:31 PM (p+4lN)

There I go again, standing in the way of history.

Posted by: troyriser at January 25, 2013 04:34 PM (vtiE6)

223 @ 216 MikeTheMoose
It's the republcian party that is dying. But don't let the truth get to you in this echo chamber. the majority of Americans hate the republican party. You are a laughing stock in politics.

Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:34 PM (p+4lN)

224 I am a libertarian who believes in individual
liberty and inclusiveness. Enjoy the last few years of the relevancy as a
party. A new center-right will emerge and republcians will be just be a
party of rural people and theocrats. History is passing you by!


Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:31 PM (p+4lN)

No, you are not a libertarian. You are progressive moby hiding behind the skirts of the libertarian party. If you were a libertarian, you would realize that most libertarians are rural, and those who are not are not far from it. You would also realize that murdering babies is not the libertarian ideal, and that most folks on this site are not as stupid as you and your prog cohort.

Once again, go lay down by your dish.

Posted by: tcn at January 25, 2013 04:34 PM (VLG62)

225 the majority of Americans hate the republican party. You are a laughing stock in politics.
Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:34 PM (p+4lN)

Breathless hyperbole much?

Posted by: troyriser at January 25, 2013 04:35 PM (vtiE6)

226 I think it was kind of obvious this is where they wanted to go...
Posted by: KG at January 25, 2013 04:30 PM (p7BzH)


Maybe I am a tad naive or have not hung out with enough Flag Officers, but it does shock me that Military Leaders themselves are trying to destroy the Force from within.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2013 04:35 PM (jE38p)

227 :::Andy said he'd be merciful depending on how Truman responded to his email.:::

Andy doesn't have a hair on his ass if he didn't end that email with "But first, you will blow me."

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 25, 2013 04:35 PM (mOyDx)

228 Ace, it won't work because Republicansproject(truthfully or not) hatred for lying and cheating and stealing. In addition, and for whatever reason, your candidates are unattractive and those who aren't unattractive are not up-to-par in other essentialities ( I say it's a word!).

You need to explain that while Israel, good friend that she is, represses her citizens with universal/compulsory health care, the United States must absolutely resist thetyrannical geographictransmog. That our aid and assistance to this dear friend comes with the usual and customary"freedom watch" disclaimer.
I voted for Bush The Good and voted for Bush The Destabilizer. And I still like them both.

I did not vote for President Obama and I didn't vote for Mitt Romney.

I won't vote for Paul Ryan, I won't vote for Marco Rubio, I won't vote for Chris Christie, etc.Many otherswon't either. You're losing those votes you need without offsetting them withgain.

I can't figure out whether conservatives take their existence from liberal recoil or liberals take their existence from conservative recoil. It must be the former because justice for alldoes seem to arc to the left. Ever read Lincoln's letter to a frienddescribingspirituallydisfigured men riding trainsin chains?

Dunham has imagination. Yoursneeds a bit of work even with yourgood mind and good spirit.

Hitchens is dead, Orwell lives and Republicans can go straight to hell!

Posted by: Ade at January 25, 2013 04:35 PM (vZLcL)

229 @ 219 MikeTheMoose
That is his personal; opinion and believes it should be left up to the States. Watch his National review interview. He is a different kind of republcian who can agree to disagree on this stupid abortion issue.

Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:36 PM (p+4lN)

230 >>>He's pro-life but does not seek to impose that view through government.

Actually he does. He sited the very same concept on Beck I've espoused several times. If the unborn is a person, than it is the duty of law to protect that person from aggressive harm caused by another. Maybe you should pay better attention to what's going on.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 25, 2013 04:36 PM (0q2P7)

231 I am a libertarian who believes in individual
liberty and inclusiveness.


Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:31 PM (p+4lN)


We invite you to be Special Snowflake of the Day

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 25, 2013 04:36 PM (8sCoq)

232 If we call women 'murderers' for aborting their babies...we are giving a pass to all the guys out there who told those women to "just go take care of it".
Posted by: wheatie at January 25, 2013 04:31 PM (fH4X9)


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But hasn't the leftist AND legal meme been that it's strictly the "woman's" choice?

Posted by: Soona at January 25, 2013 04:36 PM (/ZV9/)

233
@133Abortion itself isn't what loses the issue for the GOP. What does that is the fucking assholes like Todd Akin who make it plausible to believe that opposition to abortion is step one is the grand plan to ban condoms and seal up everyone's lady parts in Federal Reserve.
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Exactly. There's not the proverbial snowball's chance of making abortion illegal in this country at any time in the next couple of decades. It'd probably take that long at minimum just to get Roev. Wade overturned (which is somewhat ironic, sincefrom what I've heard most legal scholars agree that the decision itself is a very poorly reasoned one). The fight long ago ceased to be whether or not abortion was illegal. Instead, it's where exactly to draw the line between what's legal and what isn't. i.e. how late into the pregnancy can an abortion be performed? Should parents be notified if their under 18 child has an abortion? What happens tofetuses that somehow survive an attempt to abort them? But whenever the GOP finally starts to get things focused on where the battle actually is, some idiot like Akins opens his mouth and gives the Democrats another opportunity to slander the entire Republican party.

Besides, even if the Republican party didn't officially back making abortions more difficult, you'd still get local-level candidates arguing for it. And idiots like Akins would *still* get you in trouble as a result.

Posted by: junior at January 25, 2013 04:36 PM (UWFpX)

234 If reports are true about Truman, I feel badly about that.
I'd like to think that there would be some way for him to make amends that would be both instructive and insulate Ace from similar mistakes in the future.

It is Ace's rep on the line after all.

A lot of people are feeling fears spawned by fatigue, and while the clever and snarky irreverence here right now is one of the main attractions, we can't allow ourselves to forget about the landmines being laid around us.



Posted by: ontherocks at January 25, 2013 04:36 PM (aZ6ew)

235 realityman: "More Gingrich type confrontation is needed."

This, this, and more this.

Reject every premise made, every twist of words, every liberal talking point asserted by those apparatchiks. And throw in some ad hominem early to get them off their game to thwart inevitable ambush.

The MFM is the biggest enemy we face. I'm not sure everyone realizes just how insidious these bastards are (though Ace and much of the horde does). The corrupted media is truly an existential threat.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 25, 2013 04:36 PM (eHIJJ)

236 WTF, who opened the Troll cage today? The site is swarming with Libtard assholes...

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at January 25, 2013 04:36 PM (Y5I9o)

237 Hector.

Ah. Thanks, I guess. That's the one with the Mexican beard, yes? Or Salvadoran or something.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 25, 2013 04:36 PM (evdj2)

238 You are a laughing stock in politics.


Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:34 PM (p+4lN)

Yes, and you are a laughing stock in the men's room at the truck stop.

Posted by: tcn at January 25, 2013 04:37 PM (VLG62)

239 And I don't get that, what the hell is wrong with being pro-life? How did that become a losing position?? It's not, allowing the media to run away with stupid shit like free condoms is what loses elections. Think about the reality here, some slut in school wants taxpayers to pay for her fucking diaphragms. That was a stupid fucking argument to lose. That shit still pisses me of.

Posted by: gigg at January 25, 2013 04:37 PM (41VCE)

240
>>>>>189@ 179 Beef
I know minorities who are center-right, but they feel unwelcomed in the gop and sense hostility
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Why is that? Is the GOP not putting minority faces out there as much as they can? Can you point out any examples of prominent party members who sending out negative vibes to minorities? They have done an admirable job getting minority candidates elected across the South no less.The center-right minorities you know are confusingliberal propaganda for reality.

It's a tough slog because the meta narrative has been established. ButI reject completely the notion that the party is hostile to minorities.

Posted by: Beef at January 25, 2013 04:37 PM (mb1uj)

241 Smaller government. Lower taxes. Personal freedom. Economic growth. A real energy policy. Attack the terrorists relentlessly but fuck the Middle East; let them clean up their own shit.

Positive-sounding platitudes, repeated endlessly: America is the greatest nation on Earth.. Shining city on the hill. Black, white, red, yellow or brown, you are all red, white and blue to me. For a new generation of Americans born in this century ... and so on.

I'm just thinking off the cuff here, but again, this isn't that fucking hard.

Posted by: Blacksheep at January 25, 2013 04:37 PM (8/DeP)

242 And another thing, do you really think any of us give a flying fuck about the Republican party as an institution? Here's a clue, we're not the ones putting the party's symbol on our cars.

What we want is a government that actually defends the constitution that it swears to protect. All of it Even that.yucky life part that makes you writhe with fury.

Posted by: Lauren at January 25, 2013 04:38 PM (wsGWu)

243 >>>That is his personal; opinion and believes it should be left up to the States.

Newsflash. That's what Akin wanted too. No one has been suggesting a national law banning abortion. The entire Republican platform has been about getting rid of the moratorium on states laws against abortion. Try and keep up huh?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 25, 2013 04:38 PM (0q2P7)

244 @ 224 tcn
It shows your ignorance. Many Libertarians are Urban. We believe in free markets and individual liberty. What separates us from you Socons is we like to have sex, get drunk and smoke pot. We enjoy life and do not lecture others.

Your kind is shrinking, enjoy your permanent minority status.

Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:38 PM (p+4lN)

245 It'll be tough unless we get the culture and media on our side. It sure helped them.

Posted by: Paul at January 25, 2013 04:38 PM (i2xLO)

246 I am a libertarian who believes in individual
liberty and inclusiveness.


Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:31 PM (p+4lN)


We invite you to be Special Snowflake of the Day

Where's the hair dryer?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2013 04:38 PM (GFM2b)

247 Andy doesn't have a hair on his ass if he didn't end that email with "But first, you will blow me."

LOL

Posted by: Blacksheep at January 25, 2013 04:38 PM (8/DeP)

248 >I'm just thinking off the cuff here, but again, this isn't that fucking hard.

Posted by: Blacksheep at January 25, 2013 04:37 PM (8/DeP)

And designate the Pancake as America's national breakfast food

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 25, 2013 04:39 PM (8sCoq)

249 This whole thing of becoming more moderate is fucking bullshit. That is not why the democrats surged into power. Getting behind a warrior will get people out to vote. THe FSA sees TFG as a true honest warrior to get them free shit. We saw Romney has a nice guy that agreed with TFG on a lot of foreign policy concepts (see the second debate). That does not motivate action, that motivates a lot of "Meh whatever"

Posted by: gigg at January 25, 2013 04:39 PM (41VCE)

250 I did not vote for President Obama and I didn't vote for Mitt Romney. I won't vote for Paul Ryan, I won't vote for Marco Rubio, I won't vote for Chris Christie, etc.Many otherswon't either. You're losing those votes you need without offsetting them withgain. I can't figure out whether conservatives take their existence from liberal recoil or liberals take their existence from conservative recoil. It must be the former because justice for alldoes seem to arc to the left. Ever read Lincoln's letter to a frienddescribingspirituallydisfigured men riding trainsin chains? Dunham has imagination. Yoursneeds a bit of work even with yourgood mind and good spirit. Hitchens is dead, Orwell lives and Republicans can go straight to hell!
Posted by: Ade at January 25, 2013 04:35 PM (vZLcL)


Personally, I just think you're too fucking drunk or too fucking lazy to get off of your ass and vote.

Posted by: Soona at January 25, 2013 04:39 PM (/ZV9/)

251 What separates us from you Socons is we like to have sex, get drunk and smoke pot. We enjoy life and do not lecture others.

Your kind is shrinking, enjoy your permanent minority status.


Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:38 PM (p+4lN)



Thanks again Megan McCain. Your advice is duly ignored

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 25, 2013 04:40 PM (1Jaio)

252 @243 : MikeTheMoose
The official republican platform calls for banning abortion even in the case of rape or incense. abortion is what the modern republcian party is based on. All your talk about fiscal responsibility is bs. When republicans had complete power, they ran up the debt.

Socials issues are more important to republcians than fiscal issues. No one believes your fiscal talk.

Enjoy your march to irrelevance!

Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:40 PM (p+4lN)

253 Oh please blast this dipshit fucking troll. Im so tired of a douche-bag pot smoking shit stain lecturing me about winning elections.

Posted by: gigg at January 25, 2013 04:41 PM (41VCE)

254 tcn >>> the Chilling troll

Posted by: Blacksheep at January 25, 2013 04:42 PM (8/DeP)

255 It shows your ignorance. Many Libertarians are
Urban. We believe in free markets and individual liberty. What separates
us from you Socons is we like to have sex, get drunk and smoke pot. We
enjoy life and do not lecture others.

Your kind is shrinking, enjoy your permanent minority status.


Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:38 PM (p+4lN)

Libertarians LIKE YOU (and you really aren't a libertarian, just an asshole) just want to be sluts and get stoned and kill babies. Sandra Flukes, if you will. This is somehow a superior position? And the only reason you like to call yourself libertarian is that you think it justifies your teenage lifestyle.

Do come back if you ever get out of your mom's basement and start using your brain. Until then, let's hope you don't kill too many babies or brain cells.

Posted by: tcn at January 25, 2013 04:42 PM (VLG62)

256 Get out of moms basement then you can start preaching to us about success. Fucking shit heads.

Posted by: gigg at January 25, 2013 04:43 PM (41VCE)

257 @ 242 Lauren
I am laughing at all of you. Your party is becoming a joke and soon, you will be placing 3rd in elections. I can't wait until the new cnter-right party emrges and we laugh at your 3rd place finish.

Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:43 PM (p+4lN)

258 251 What separates us from you Socons is we like to have sex, get drunk and smoke pot. We enjoy life and the occasional sip of penis.


Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:38 PM (p+4lN)


Dude. This is a family site.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 25, 2013 04:43 PM (mOyDx)

259 What separates us from you Socons is we like to have sex, get drunk and smoke pot. "


I'm sorry. Are you lost? Did you just stumble in here and start commenting without reading a single thing anyone else has ever said on this site?

Posted by: Lauren at January 25, 2013 04:43 PM (wsGWu)

260 >Oh please blast this dipshit fucking troll. Im so
tired of a douche-bag pot smoking shit stain lecturing me about winning
elections.





Ignore it. What it's doing is the equivalent to jerking off to an Obama campaign poster

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 25, 2013 04:44 PM (8sCoq)

261 241 Blacksheep,

Great, and sincerely I am not being flip or bigoted make the case in Spanish and ebonics now.

That is the problem we face.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 04:44 PM (LRFds)

262 The official republican platform calls for banning abortion even in the case of rape or incense. abortion is what the modern republcian party is based on. All your talk about fiscal responsibility is bs. When republicans had complete power, they ran up the debt.

And those nefarious nefarions made abortion illegal!

Wait...they didn't do that either. In spite of it being their 'goal.'

Seems your theocratic party is actually center-right.

Odd how the media still gets away with painting them as theocrats, isn't it?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 25, 2013 04:44 PM (uhAkr)

263 254
tcn >>> the Chilling troll

Posted by: Blacksheep at January 25, 2013 04:42 PM (8/DeP)

I hate to admit this, but it is rather enjoyable batting this pinata around the basement. Guilty pleasure?

Posted by: tcn at January 25, 2013 04:44 PM (VLG62)

264 >>>but they feel unwelcomed in the gop and sense hostility

I've heard that a lot too. But the hostility comes not from members of the Republican party or Conservatives but others in their community.

>>>we like to have sex, get drunk and smoke pot. We enjoy life and do not lecture others.

1. If you don't like lecturing folks why did you come here and do just that? We here are in common company and as such are lecturing nobody.

2. we like to have sex, get drunk and smoke pot. Well other than smoke pot I see no major difference. If you like pot that's your business. If you draw 1 cent of government aid, it's mine. That said if you aren't as ardent about getting rid of entitlements and making people stand on their own as you are about making smoking out legal, you really aren't presenting a full salient platform.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 25, 2013 04:44 PM (0q2P7)

265 @ 255 tcn
I like to be taxed at a low rate, not have to deal with regulations and make my own money. It's Socons who want government hand outs. You are just mad it's not rural whites getting money. The Socons are Marxists using The bible. You are not fooling me you socialist scum.

Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:44 PM (p+4lN)

266 Have a good day losers, enjoy the electoral defeats to come!

GOP, RIP!

Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:45 PM (p+4lN)

267 259 Lauren,

Wait you mean this is not the 700 club's forum?

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 04:45 PM (LRFds)

268 What it's doing is the equivalent to jerking off to an Obama campaign poster

Why would you think that he isn't actually jerking off to an Obama campaign poster?

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 25, 2013 04:46 PM (evdj2)

269 Lolz dead babies are sooo cool and edgy! I'm going to go smoke some pot and then, get this guys, I'm going to HAVE SEX!!!!! I know, I know. I'm such a rebel.

Posted by: Chillin' at January 25, 2013 04:46 PM (wsGWu)

270 My Center-Right party will crush you all!

The northeastern Republican strategy will win everywhere, even though it doesn't win there!

Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:46 PM (uhAkr)

271 I am against abortion, but I realize Roe V Wade will never be over-turned.I think at this point all we can hope for is States rights on the issue. I know that is wishful thinking. On a personal note when my daughter was Pregnant I went with her at 19 weeks to a 3-D sonogram. It was completely amazing to see my grand daughter moving and sucking her little thumb.

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at January 25, 2013 04:47 PM (9+ccr)

272 253 gigg,

Hey so long as Luap Nor here gets to grow weed in the Gulag he's down with it.


Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 04:47 PM (LRFds)

273 232...But hasn't the leftist AND legal meme been that it's strictly the "woman's" choice?Posted by: Soona at January 25, 2013 04:36 PM (/ZV9/) ---------- They sure do, Soona...so that they can include it in the concept of 'Women's Rights'. But I still think we harm ourselves by attacking only women, and calling them 'murderers', for having an abortion. Personally, I think it is murder. But we are getting nowhere with the rhetoric of attacking women that way...and not talking about how men bear some of the responsibility of an abortion happening.

Posted by: wheatie at January 25, 2013 04:47 PM (fH4X9)

274 Dude. This is a family site.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 25, 2013 04:43 PM (mOyDx)


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Posted by: Soona at January 25, 2013 04:47 PM (/ZV9/)

275 And it officially went off the deep end at post #265

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 25, 2013 04:47 PM (1Jaio)

276 You are just mad it's not rural whites getting
money. The Socons are Marxists using The bible. You are not fooling me
you socialist scum.


Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:44 PM (p+4lN)

Quick, you chill little asshole, what race am I and where do I live?

Posted by: tcn at January 25, 2013 04:47 PM (VLG62)

277 And those nefarious nefarions made abortion illegal!

NefariCons is a nice label.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 25, 2013 04:47 PM (evdj2)

278 >>>It's Socons who want government hand outs. You are just mad it's not
rural whites getting money. The Socons are Marxists using The bible. You
are not fooling me you socialist scum.

Fine the dude who wants to "enjoy life and do not lecture others." came here to lecture us and not listen to our response in good faith.

My blog's troll has a first name it's spelled h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 25, 2013 04:47 PM (0q2P7)

279 It's never to late to note that all trolls are Average Joe, international man of cock suckery.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 25, 2013 04:48 PM (evdj2)

280 Everybody who posted "Stop nominating RINOS/'electable'/milquetoasts/geldings/Democrat-lites"...

DING DING DING DING WE HAVE WINNERS!

All the rest of you who talk about micro-this and demographic-that and targeted-whatsit and projected-whatchamacallit, keep on losing it for us, thanks.

Posted by: NotAMoose at January 25, 2013 04:48 PM (ZZg4j)

281
>>>>271I think at this point all we can hope for is States rights on the issue
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That and almost every other issue. There is no way to impose centralized solutions on a nation of 320 million people without causing gross inefficiencies and injustices.

Posted by: Beef at January 25, 2013 04:49 PM (mb1uj)

282 There is one problem that faces us that the Democrats don't face
Actually, two. A second problem you don't mention - and that I actually think is more important - is our inherent aversion to the creepiness/stalking/"surveillance" factor this approach entails.
Democrats are totally cool with those. Seriously, they are. They're statists, after all.
Us, not so much. We're protective of our own freedom from intrusions into our private lives and therefore respect that of others, even our political opponents.
That's a real handicap for usthat Dems don't have to overcome.

Posted by: Rocketeer at January 25, 2013 04:49 PM (/AHDz)

283 278 MikeTheMoose,

I don't want nobody judged man, but I'm gonna judge SoCons man b/c they are like control freaks man but the left they are like you know laid back and not in your business DOOOOD now where's my grow lamp?

//stonerz

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 04:49 PM (LRFds)

284 >>>NotAMoose at January 25

Are we going to have issues?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 25, 2013 04:49 PM (0q2P7)

285 Chilling is Hector, the guy who is married to a Mexican so he thinks he is entitled to a bigger say on immigration.

He hates white people and calls them 'nativist scum.'

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 25, 2013 04:50 PM (uhAkr)

286 265 @ 255 tcnI like to be taxed at a low rate, not have to deal with regulations and make my own money. It's Socons who want government hand outs. You are just mad it's not rural whites getting money. The Socons are Marxists using The bible. You are not fooling me you socialist scum.
Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:44 PM (p+4lN)

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No, dumbass.

Posted by: NotAMoose at January 25, 2013 04:50 PM (ZZg4j)

287 I am against abortion, but I realize Roe V Wade will never be over-turned.I think at this point all we can hope for is States rights on the issue. I know that is wishful thinking. On a personal note when my daughter was Pregnant I went with her at 19 weeks to a 3-D sonogram. It was completely amazing to see my grand daughter moving and sucking her little thumb.
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at January 25, 2013 04:47 PM (9+ccr)


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Unless RvW is overturned, the states will never be able to rid themselves of it.

Posted by: Soona at January 25, 2013 04:50 PM (/ZV9/)

288 Sorry about the FUBARed formatting in thatcomment of mine - hope you get the gist of it.

Posted by: Rocketeer at January 25, 2013 04:51 PM (/AHDz)

289 Unless RvW is overturned, the states will never be able to rid themselves of it.

Posted by: Soona at January 25, 2013 04:50 PM (/ZV9/)

I wish. Hopefully the question of life and pain of an unborn abortion victim or even more advanced sonograms will hit home that this is murder. I pray for that day...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at January 25, 2013 04:51 PM (9+ccr)

290 Yeah stop nominating RINOs and by RINOs I mean anybody I don't agree with 100%. I'll lower my agreement rate to 95% as long as I can refer to them as RINO IN WAITING. I will even accept a 90% agreement If they are running against a declared Communist. But it has to be declared mind you otherwise I will not vote for the RINO!!!

Posted by: polynikes at January 25, 2013 04:52 PM (m2CN7)

291 285 Bevel L,

Makes sense hector would fit.

Why he likes sucking cock is between him, her, and God I guess....

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 04:53 PM (LRFds)

292 NefariCons is a nice label.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 25, 2013 04:47 PM (evdj2)


I want to go out on nefari
shoot some nerfs

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 25, 2013 04:53 PM (8sCoq)

293 If there's anybody less qualified to discuss electoral strategy than a Libertarian, I don't know who it is.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 25, 2013 04:54 PM (SY2Kh)

294
I think the problem is that the country, as a whole, is nowleft-leaning.
So, I don't see how data mining for "conservative voters" is going produce much since there aren't that many moreto begin with.
The current Repubmajority in the House is due to gerrymandering. Eventually even this will cease to provide RepubHouse wins since districts get re-drawn every time there is a US census.
Either the GOP figures out how to turn people more right-leaning or it will go the way of the Whigs.

Posted by: boo at January 25, 2013 04:55 PM (oKFz+)

295 :::290 Yeah stop nominating RINOs and by RINOs I mean anybody I don't agree with 100%. I'll lower my agreement rate to 95% as long as I can refer to them as RINO IN WAITING. I will even accept a 90% agreement If they are running against a declared Communist. But it has to be declared mind you otherwise I will not vote for the RINO!!!
Posted by: polynikes at January 25, 2013 04:52 PM (m2CN7):::


Shut up, RINO.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 25, 2013 04:55 PM (mOyDx)

296 293 Hollowpoint,

We'll show you you goddamned SOCONs we'll make sure you never get elected again and elect the full bore fascists....

I like to suck on blunts and the occasional penis....

//Stonerz

yeah I wonder why they can't form a fucking coalition....

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 04:56 PM (LRFds)

297 294 Boo,

or you know call an Art V and legally break the Republic.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 04:56 PM (LRFds)

298 284 >>>NotAMoose at January 25Are we going to have issues?
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 25, 2013 04:49 PM (0q2P7)

--------------------------------------------

I dunno, haven't read through all the muck in the thread. The first few posts hit the mark perfectly. They said exactly what I told my goofy 21-year-old son when he insisted before the Republican nominations were done that Obama would lose his second term. I bet himthat, #1, Romney would be the nominee because the dipshit GOP establishment don't know their asses from holes in the ground, and #2, they would repeat the Democrat vs. Democrat-lite race of 2008.

They did. My boy lost the bet. He paid up, like a good son.

He's back at it again with his whole "numbers, demographics, strategeriez" schtick. Strangely enough he's not putting his money where his mouth is this time.

Hillary is going to be the next Prez, unless that whole 22nd Amendment thing is somehow defenestrated.

Posted by: NotAMoose at January 25, 2013 04:57 PM (ZZg4j)

299 I like this to an extent. It is crucial, obviously, to combat the libs with what works and it seems that this worked for TFG.

However, first, if we do not start to reclaim the schools it does not matter. Texas has started the battle by simply working on obtaining better, more honest textbooks. If people cannot think and reason then all the microtargeting in the world will not help.
A longer view problem, I know, but an important one.

Posted by: Dandolo at January 25, 2013 04:57 PM (GAJm6)

300 Posted by: The Political Hat at January 25, 2013 03:56 PM (XvHmy)

You have no idea how tempted I am to run for that seat.

Posted by: Country Singer at January 25, 2013 04:57 PM (mDanm)

301 >>>>> I think the problem is that the country, as a whole, is nowleft-leaning.
_______________

We can all thank Teddy Kennedy and his Immigration Reform Act for that. May he live in infamy.

Posted by: LGoPs at January 25, 2013 04:59 PM (4x8W0)

302 This man is an idiot.

Posted by: Call me Ishmael at January 25, 2013 04:59 PM (p4U6S)

303 Yeah stop nominating RINOs and by RINOs I mean anybody I don't agree with 100%. I'll lower my agreement rate to 95% as long as I can refer to them as RINO IN WAITING. I will even accept a 90% agreement If they are running against a declared Communist. But it has to be declared mind you otherwise I will not vote for the RINO!!!
Posted by: polynikes at January 25, 2013 04:52 PM (m2CN7)

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I voted for the RINO. Twice. Good going on nominating those pieces of shit.

Posted by: NotAMoose at January 25, 2013 05:00 PM (ZZg4j)

304 >>>I dunno, haven't read through all the muck in the thread...

My point. You are "NotAMoose"
I am "MikeTheMoose"

Figured you might have something against moose or something.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 25, 2013 05:00 PM (0q2P7)

305 All very true, but until we stop letting them kill our candidates off and pre-label them as crazy or extreme we'll keep getting screwed.

Posted by: 2nd Amendment Mother at January 25, 2013 05:01 PM (L4CWX)

306 May his name live in infamy...is what I meant.

Posted by: LGoPs at January 25, 2013 05:01 PM (4x8W0)

307 304 Mike the Moose,

Moose United to Stop Tyranny

sven aka Iron Moose

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 05:01 PM (LRFds)

308 When the going gets tough, they call for the sons of bitches.

Posted by: Ernie King Commander in Chief US Fleet (CINCUS) at January 25, 2013 05:02 PM (p4U6S)

309 Q: "Look, someone shit on the rug, what do we do?"

A: "Step in it! Look, it leaves tracks everywhere!"

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 25, 2013 05:04 PM (bxiXv)

310 The Socons are Marxists using The bible. You are not fooling me
you socialist scum.


Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:44 PM (p+4lN)


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that's just so laughably fucking stupid I'd not even know where to start

Posted by: Lurkasaurus at January 25, 2013 05:04 PM (4a7nR)

311 Oh I forgot about the establishment picking our nominees also. Until the establishment is deestablished with destablishing rules, I will refuse to participate in the electoral process until a party that I agree with is established whereas I will no longer be against the establishment and would withdraw my call for the establishment to be deestablished of course in favor of the established party that I feel needs to be established.

Posted by: polynikes at January 25, 2013 05:04 PM (m2CN7)

312 >>>Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 25, 2013 05:04 PM (bxiXv)

Oh Darth Merovign, beating up on trolls is part of my therapy. It helps lower my blood pressure.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 25, 2013 05:05 PM (0q2P7)

313 A longer view problem, I know, but an important one.
Posted by: Dandolo at January 25, 2013 04:57 PM (GAJm6)

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True, thecounter-Gramscian long march through the institutions would have been nice to start, at latest, 10 years ago. Now I'm afraid we're on the wrong side of the hill, rolling down.

Yuri Bezmenov warned us, a lot of us didn't listen. It's gotten so bad now that a substantial portion of the conservative movement has been infected.

Posted by: NotAMoose at January 25, 2013 05:07 PM (ZZg4j)

314 I voted for the RINO. Twice. Good going on nominating those pieces of shit.
Posted by: NotAMoose at January 25, 2013 05:00 PM (ZZg4j)

You must have used the ' running against a declared Communist' exception except that again, Obama never declared he was a communist. You obviously wasted your vote.

Posted by: polynikes at January 25, 2013 05:07 PM (m2CN7)

315 My point. You are "NotAMoose"I am "MikeTheMoose" Figured you might have something against moose or something.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 25, 2013 05:00 PM (0q2P7)

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LOL! Sorry, the name is an old inside joke. No personal slight at all.

Posted by: NotAMoose at January 25, 2013 05:09 PM (ZZg4j)

316 Beef: "It's a tough slog because the meta narrative has
been established. But I reject completely the notion that the party is
hostile to minorities."


You and me both. Again, look at the MFM! During the 2012 GOP Convention, the MFM cut away from coverage when a person of color or person with vagina spoke. They were patently and fraudulently framing the "GOP is a bunch of rich, racist, white men" story.

It was appalling... and totally expected from the Democrats' campaign arm aka the MFM.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 25, 2013 05:09 PM (eHIJJ)

317 It's not just copying the Obama playbook, it's copying the left's playbook.

Posted by: vivi at January 25, 2013 05:11 PM (JKza/)

318 314 I voted for the RINO. Twice. Good going on nominating those pieces of shit. Posted by: NotAMoose at January 25, 2013 05:00 PM (ZZg4j) You must have used the ' running against a declared Communist' exception except that again, Obama never declared he was a communist. You obviously wasted your vote.
Posted by: polynikes at January 25, 2013 05:07 PM (m2CN7)

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So you didn't want McCain or Romney as nominees? Just spit it out, son, I'm too old for this jibber-jabber.

Posted by: NotAMoose at January 25, 2013 05:13 PM (ZZg4j)

319 163


Could be a troll, could just be an asshole.



Posted by: tcn at January 25, 2013 04:21 PM (VLG62)

Can't it be both? I'd also add, "race-baiting bigot."

Posted by: Sandra Fluke's solid gold diaphragm at January 25, 2013 05:16 PM (7xeJQ)

320
Posted by: NotAMoose at January 25, 2013 05:07 PM (ZZg4j)


Thank you for the Yuri Bezmenov mention. I had to google him, but it is well worth the read.

It is hard enough to keep a civilization alive without people actively working to bring it down.

Posted by: Dandolo at January 25, 2013 05:27 PM (GAJm6)

321 O/T Mamet's daughter is one of the girls in "Girls". She is the cute spunky one. The modelesque slutty one is Brian William's daughter.

Posted by: madamex at January 25, 2013 05:31 PM (+kvQd)

322
I personally think that the clever talk about "data mining", Narwal, and micro-targeting is the narrative that the Democrats want to put out about how clever they are. And I suspect that they broke some laws in acquiring data that they allegedly used.

This is a great cover story for what they probably likely did, which was voter fraud. I think that in detail and in a broad strategy, the Democrat party, in the close-run states (Virginia, Florida, Ohio and perhaps one or two others) committed MASSIVE voter fraud.
I dunno how they did it, but am pretty sure they did it. And all three of the above states have Republican state governments, that as far as I can tell, are doing NOTHING to investigate even the possibility of voter fraud. This kind of pre-emptive surrender is possibly the most disturbing aspect of the 2012 election. There were hints of Democrat voter fraud in the local newspaper (Columbus Dispatch), but nothing substantive, and no continued reporting of it - just stories of Democrats organizing itinerant Somalis to vote, who are likely NOT citizens, etc. to vote the straight Democrat ticket. Multiply that by the same effort in hundreds of precincts, and you could easily swing the election by a hundred thousand or so votes.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at January 25, 2013 05:40 PM (RFeQD)

323 Forgive me if someone has already written this but - the Dems have moved on to the next phase ot their master plan.

So doing what they did is not enough. The Dems will know how to counteract what they have done.

Conservatives need to find out what the Dems are doing and sabotage their efforts.

Posted by: davod at January 25, 2013 05:41 PM (C5U9L)

324 Thanks for the shout-out Ace.

Posted by: CAC at January 25, 2013 05:55 PM (eFU14)

325 Or as Patton would say: Rommel (Insert Obama) ... you magnificent bastard, *I read your book*!

Posted by: rplat at January 25, 2013 05:57 PM (U/Ao5)

326
Posted by: Chilling at January 25, 2013 04:21 PM (p+4lN)


Fuck you Chilling. I live in the South. You have no clue.

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at January 25, 2013 06:00 PM (QyMDY)

327 Anybody who would call other human beings and say "Hi, I am a human being wanting to form a personal connection with you so you support the Republican Party" is either too ignorant to know they're a smelly bucket of failure, or, has the soul of a Nigerian email huckster.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at January 25, 2013 06:23 PM (s7iqn)

328 Obama and his minions follow the commie playbook. They lie and bully, give feigned indignation when questioned and use the media to push their agenda and anyone who doesn't follow their ideals is evil.We lost Vietnam and are losing our current wars and police actions the same way. By the commie playbook. Our enemies dress like civilians to do their deeds and use the media to their advantage. They make our troops to be the bad guys. Or troops do not always know who is who or who is on whose side. The liberals Dems and Obama operate the same way. To beat them we must get extreme. Seeing as how the Gop is giving ground on every vote made and being made to look like fools the Gop could vote present on every piece of legislation the come up. Put the blame on Dems. Then take a play from the commie playbook. Go guerilla and and change over to being a democrat. Remember Specter? As a new dem vote your conscience. Put he dem party in disarray. The media won't know what to do. They won't criticize dems. When it comes time to vote people instead of voting for the party will have to for once think and maybe vote for the best candidate. The only way to take back the country is to outDem the Dems.

Posted by: bob at January 25, 2013 06:45 PM (ZruHX)

329 One last thing Ace, liberals giveconservative bromides the nod then move on to move revenue to Hospice.

Jindal had to back off on eliminating the funds. Why can't he sell the elimination of the funding? Why not use the needto do soas a teaching moment to the 47%? He can't because we're not just one nation when we're warring, we're one nation when we're living and when we're dying.

The Republicanlie would reveal itself in the way it did for Jindal. Democrats lies are revealed through rights tampering, perhaps,but also through aid and comfort to the dying. Deny or ignore that at your peril.

Posted by: Ade at January 25, 2013 07:04 PM (vZLcL)

330 Also we put in the small print of emails agreement of access to Facebook and other social media like the Dems did. Than on election day we plug in who voted and send texts to people identifying people they know they need to get to vote- just like the Dems did. It turned their turn out the vote effort from a small number of volunteers to every single donor/email respondent in the US.

Posted by: Timwi at January 25, 2013 07:50 PM (pdhxN)

331
I think Republicans miss out on the military/defense technology and general followers of the military WHO HAVEN'T SERVED.
The next nominee should go fly in an F-35 or F-22 shoot a SAW with a Ranger or Green Beret unit.
I would call this the 'traditional man's man' voting block.
It would include throwing a baseball or football around, etc. Go lift some weights
BE A MAN and show Americans you are a man
And I guarantee it would help with women and male blacks and hispanics.

Posted by: bobbymike at January 25, 2013 08:25 PM (wJSZn)

332 This is a great cover story for what they probably
likely did, which was voter fraud. I think that in detail and in a broad
strategy, the Democrat party, in the close-run states (Virginia,
Florida, Ohio and perhaps one or two others) committed MASSIVE voter
fraud.
I dunno how they did it, but am pretty sure they did it. And
all three of the above states have Republican state governments, that as
far as I can tell, are doing NOTHING to investigate even the
possibility of voter fraud. This kind of pre-emptive surrender is
possibly the most disturbing aspect of the 2012 election. There were
hints of Democrat voter fraud in the local newspaper (Columbus
Dispatch), but nothing substantive, and no continued reporting of it -
just stories of Democrats organizing itinerant Somalis to vote, who are
likely NOT citizens, etc. to vote the straight Democrat ticket. Multiply
that by the same effort in hundreds of precincts, and you could easily
swing the election by a hundred thousand or so votes.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at January 25, 2013 05:40 PM (RFeQD)
--This is indeed what they did, in OH, FL, VA, CO, and WI. PA too, though I don't know if Romney would have won without the fraud. Any three of those being investigated and proved would turn the election, or more likely a constitutional crisis.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 25, 2013 09:16 PM (/i3Yt)

333 This really struck a nerve! What the GOP needs is a cult figure that is supported by the media, hollywood and academia. That's all.

Some of the liberals I work with get their political direction from SNL, remember that started about 30 years ago. We got a long way to go....

Posted by: dtih at January 25, 2013 09:24 PM (EoTCW)

334 what 333 said.

this is just patently stupid. because the guy won, we have to do just what he does? no, you have to move one step past what the other guy is already doing to beat him. but all that common sense aside, let's be honest; this guy didn't win by doing anything special; he won because the media is owned by the party of government.

Posted by: matt foley at January 26, 2013 09:54 AM (ES9kw)

335 No, we need to steal Anonymous' playbook. If they are acclimating our citizens to giving up their rights, then we'll need to find other ways to fight impending tyranny, once they've disarmed us.

Posted by: Crowley at January 27, 2013 09:54 AM (ip+RW)

336 1. What we need to do is have Matt Foley move his gear in with Barry.

"We're gonna be buddies! We're gonna be pals! We're gonna wrassle around! Ol' Matt's gonna be your shadow! Here's you, here's Matt! There's you, there's Matt! Here's you, here's [slip--SPLAT!]" Alternatively, the real Matt Foley, the guy who Farley played rugby with at Marquette and unwittingly lent his name (not so much his looks or personality) to the character, went on to become a priest. Maybe he could sprinkle holy water on Barry and see what happens.

2. Here in California, I've been for all intents and purposes over into the future Chilling wants for the GOP nationwide. Our guys, statewide and even local are using pretty much the strategy he wants the last couple of elections. And...it doesn't work for the most part. And this is exactly the kind of state where it's supposed to. Good luck getting actual red states to go along with that.

3. This sounds more like an plan to make the direct-mail guys rich and the USPS a little less bankrupt than something that'll actually translate into ballots cast.

Posted by: Rich Fader at January 27, 2013 08:32 PM (OQM8v)

337
i keep hearing over,and over how o'bama,and his team outsmarted romney,and the republicas.
romney was up against a president with no morales,and all the info.,and data bases in america,and a team pretty much funded by tax-payers,and and illegal donors.
not to mention his boots on the ground that pulled off the most fraudulent election in american history,not to forget about the magic voting machines that voted for o'bama all by themselves.
get over it fix the fraud,or expect it again.

Posted by: david lager at January 28, 2013 09:02 PM (l9gxL)






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