Rich Lowry: Rush Limbaugh Was Right About Obama

I usually won't link Politico but it's a good piece.

There should have been something for everyone in President Barack Obama’s second inaugural address. For liberals, a full-throated call to arms. For conservatives, vindication.

Obama settled once and for all the debate over his place on the political spectrum and his political designs. He’s an unabashed liberal determined to shift our politics and our country irrevocably to the left. In other words, Obama’s foes — if you put aside the birthers and sundry other lunatics — always had him pegged correctly.
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If you listened to Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham, you got a better appreciation of Obama’s core than by reading the president’s friends and sophisticated interpreters, for whom he was either a moderate or a puzzle yet to be fully worked out.

Rush, et al., doubted that Obama could have emerged from the left-wing milieu of Hyde Park, become in short order the most liberal U.S. senator, run to Hillary Clinton’s left in the 2008 primaries and yet have been a misunderstood centrist all along. They heeded his record and his boast in 2008 about “fundamentally transforming the United States of America,” and discounted the unifying tone of his rhetoric as transparent salesmanship.

They got him right, even as he duped the Obamacons, played the press and fooled his sympathizers. David Brooks, the brilliant and winsome New York Times columnist, has been promising the arrival of the true, pragmatic Obama for years now. In his column praising the second inaugural address, he appeared finally to give up. “Now he is liberated,” Brooks wrote. “Now he has picked a team and put his liberalism on full display.”

The whole column is good, and notes, of course, that those who got Obama wrong (or got him right, but publicly lied about, a much larger caucus) will continue to congratulate themselves for having gotten it wrong, and will continue attacking those who got it right.

The situation seems to me to fall under the rules of etiquette and tact. Now, if you're thinking I'm going to say Limbaugh is "tactless," and yell at me for that -- hold on. That's not what I'm saying at all. Let me get there.

In any Polite Dinner Conversation we will have the rules of Tact imposed upon us. The rules of Tact state that certain Truths must not be uttered. Furthermore, we should note that the rules of Tact are not innocent and are not organic -- they are created by people for their own purposes. Some of those purposes may be benign (we want to have light dinner chatter) and some exist to enforce an existing social order (we pretend we don't care about matters of money, and react with hostility to anyone who brings the matter up, because pretending to not care about money is an aristocratic conceit by which aristocrats differentiate themselves from the ruder lower classes and rich-but-unmannered parvenu class).

"Tact" is the enemy of truth. Sometimes it's useful to have the truth contained, a little, to the proper time and place-- we don't want an unhappily married couple openly demonstrating their hatred of each other at a light dinner party. Tact requires they put on pretenses about this.

But very often tact is simply used to suppress the truth because those who create the rules of tact dislike the truth.

And the important thing is that, by the usual operation of tact, the more true something is, the more upsetting it is for those who enforce tact, and the more aggressively they attempt to shut up the person they've deemed tactless.

Example: Your son walks up to your obese uncle and says, "You're fat like a moose!" Your son's transgression is speaking too much truth. (And try to explain this to him later, that there's such a thing as "too much truth.") The entire table hisses at him, "Reginald!" (Yes, you named your son Reginald.) Reginald feels the heat of social scorn upon him, or he would if he was sensitive to the power of social scorn. Luckily, he's too young to be conditioned to be hurt by that, and so instead just giggles.

But my point is that the remark is Socially Unwelcome not because it's false but rather precisely because it's true.

Truth is the most painful insult and truth is the most awkward embarrassment.

Statements which are untrue rarely elicit powerful responses. They get an emotion-free dismissal -- the eyeroll, the arched brow -- or, more commonly, are simply ignored.

Now, we may abide the rules of tact (and approve of them) in the correct situation -- sure, at a party, at a dinner, and at other such functions in which Truth is not a particularly important matter, we can accept that Tact restrains us from speaking truth.

But this rule should never be applied to important matters of politics, should it?

Well, no, of course not; a society that insists of repressing the most important truths about politics rapidly becomes a dysfunctional system in which people only speak in euphemism and lies, a system in which nothing can actually change because people aren't free to express their actual preferences.

What Limbaugh said about Obama -- and what Levin said, and Hannity, and so on -- was completely true.

It was completely true, but the enforcers of Tact at the Great National Conversation decided that the truth that Obama was a left-liberal stewed his entire life in fashionably radical politics (and keep in mind the radical years in which he came of age) Should Not Ever Be Spoken.

And then Sarah Palin, for example, committed the faux pas of stating the truth -- Obama did in fact "pal around with terrorists."

Sarah Palin was attacked on this point, with emotion and vehemence, not because she'd said something untrue but because she said something very true indeed, but that truth was categorized by the Masters of Tact as declasse. And they categorized it as such precisely because it was true, and it embarrassed them, and it compromised their ability to get what they wanted.

Now even liberals are saying Obama gave a liberal speech, and has outed himself as a liberal. But where, then, are the apologies for attacking Limbaugh?

They won't be forthcoming, of course, because in their minds, the liberals behaved properly throughout the miserably long five year dinner party -- they suppressed the truth when it was socially favored to suppress it (that is to say, when they themselves decided it was socially favored to suppress it) and then the giddily expressed the long-suppressed truth when it was socially acceptable to do so (that is to say, when they themselves agreed mutually that it was now socially acceptable to express it).

On the other hand, Palin, Limbaugh, Levin and the rest just behaved abomidably, what with their rude statements of obvious truths which all good-mannered people were furiously attempting to ignore or hide.

No class, no class. Classy people know when it's okay to lie -- because "classy people" are privileged with the power of making up the rules as to when it's okay to lie.

As they set the rules -- to benefit themselves and to protect and extend their own socially-privileged positions -- they can never be disadvantaged by their rules. If they sense a personal disadvantage flowing from the rules they've made up, they just change the rules to grant themselves an advantage again.

And who are you to complain? They're your betters, you know.

Posted by: Ace at 02:28 PM



Comments

1 Assault First Post!

Posted by: RWC at January 25, 2013 02:29 PM (fWAjv)

2 Then why not let it burn?

Why is Brooks called brilliant? Another polite lie.

Posted by: eman at January 25, 2013 02:32 PM (jp2Ur)

3 Barry is a second-rate Saruman.

"The voice spoke, low and melodious, its very sound an enchantment. Those who listened unwarily to that voice could seldom report the words that they heard; and if they did, they wondered, for little power remained in them. Mostly they remembered only that it was a delight to hear the voice speaking, all that it said seemed wise and reasonable, and desire awoke in them by swift agreement to seem wise themselves. When others spoke they seemed harsh and uncouth by contrast; and if they gainsaid the voice, anger was kindled in the hearts of those under the spell. Fur some the spell lasted only while the voice spoke to them, and when it spake to another they smiled, as men do who see through a juggler’s trick while others gape at it."

Posted by: occam's styptic pencil at January 25, 2013 02:33 PM (evdj2)

4 Good thing nobody here criticized Palin.

Oh, wait....

Posted by: Golan Globus at January 25, 2013 02:34 PM (/1U3u)

5 David Brooks, the brilliant and winsome New York Times columnist, has
been promising the arrival of the true, pragmatic Obama for years now.



Heh. "Winsome." A well-known synonym for "fat and stupid."

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 25, 2013 02:34 PM (QKKT0)

6 They aren't saying it as if they are surprized. They are saying it laughingly.

Laughing at those who knew the truth but were shouted down by the DNC sponsored media, and laughing at those they fooled into voting for their own destruction.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 25, 2013 02:35 PM (xtvQl)

7 Are people on the left still pretending that Cornell West is an intellectual?

Posted by: jwest at January 25, 2013 02:35 PM (ZDsRL)

8 Birthers are lunatics? Fuck Lowry and the My Pony he rode in on.

Posted by: polynikes at January 25, 2013 02:35 PM (m2CN7)

9 >>>Good thing nobody here criticized Palin.

Sorry I don't believe in the Cult of the Saints.

At some point in your life it may dawn upon you that someone you like might be right about some things, and wrong about others.

You're attempting to impose the Conservatively Correct rule of tact, some rule that we must never, ever express our skepticism or dislike about Palin.

Palin is not a Saint and she is not a Goddess, no more than Obama is Christ.

Posted by: ace at January 25, 2013 02:36 PM (LCRYB)

10 Yup, and a major fashion editor, executive editor of Women's Wear Daily, has now said that Mooch behaved like an indulged starlet with her requests for sketched of suggested gowns for the inaugural ball. http://tinyurl.com/ao5tfcc

Bitch slap for the Big Bad Bitch.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 25, 2013 02:36 PM (kXoT0)

11
I think no truer example of the above can be found than Ed Koch. Sure, I know he's a jew hater but I am going to vote for him anyway and hope his true hatred doesn't show too quickly. When is the last time Christopher Buckley has been heard from on the topic? How about the douche, Kmiec, who backed Obama despite supposedly being pro-life?

Posted by: ejo at January 25, 2013 02:36 PM (GXvSO)

12 Winsome, is that a synonym for being an intellectual light weight?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 02:36 PM (Mj6r9)

13 You do know that all of Lowry's pieces are available at National Review, where he happens to be the editor and all? All the NR writers have their external pieces duplicated at NRO, you never need link elsewhere. http://tinyurl.com/a6wwzzn

Posted by: Rex at January 25, 2013 02:37 PM (JpC1K)

14 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 02:37 PM (8y9MW)

15 I find it offensive that in matters of politics -- whether it's the politically correct type of tact or the conservatively correct type of tact -- that anyone should be told he can't say things he believes are true for "other reasons," like politeness or tactical advantage ("we must all present a unified front with no disagreement on this point, or else the LIBERALS WIN!!").

Posted by: ace at January 25, 2013 02:37 PM (LCRYB)

16 They got him right, even as he duped the Obamacons, played the press and fooled his sympathizers.






He didn't play the press. They were willing servants to promote him and lie for him

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 25, 2013 02:37 PM (1Jaio)

17 If I read ace's piece right, y'all are supposed to get mad about that now, because it's true.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 02:37 PM (8y9MW)

18
Strong, smart, nuance, layers.


Lather, rinse, repeat.

Posted by: Lance McCormick at January 25, 2013 02:38 PM (zgHLA)

19 I'll refer back to the very sagacious points you made yesterday about the media Ace.

The media has either by being dupes or sycophants help Obama escape what would otherwise be factual and realistic scrutiny. Personally, I think they are mostly propagandist sycophants...

David Brooks, is well, David Brooks- Captain creased pants. I don't believe for a second he felt Obama was going to become some great pragmatist-centrist. Otherwise he is dumber than I thought. I actually believe people like Brooks are Vichy Journalists; imbued with natural liberal tendencies which they cloak behind and alleged conservative moniker.

In the end, we are, and will continue to be worse off, poorer, less productive and less free. The forces are merely lining up to express their astonishment at Mr. Obama hard left proclivities- but will do nothing to expose or stop him. That's still up to us honest folks.

Posted by: Marcus at January 25, 2013 02:38 PM (xPfg3)

20
Oh, wait....

Posted by: Golan Globus at January 25, 2013 02:34 PM (/1U3u)

I kinda seriously doubt that anyone here thought it was wrong of her to say that Obama palled around with terrorists.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at January 25, 2013 02:39 PM (xAtAj)

21 Michelle Obama is beautiful

Posted by: pep, Secretary of Transparent Lies at January 25, 2013 02:39 PM (6TB1Z)

22

Tact gave us skinny Hugo Chavez.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 25, 2013 02:39 PM (Kgufq)

23 Good Lord Ace you write well,


And the important thing is that, by the usual operation of tact, the more true something is, the more upsetting it is for those who enforce tact, and the more aggressively they attempt to shut up the person they've deemed tactless.


This in a nutshell was how the MFM demonized the tea party.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 02:39 PM (l86i3)

24 my gosh, Ace, this is a longy. . . still reading.

Posted by: L, elle at January 25, 2013 02:39 PM (0PiQ4)

25 "I won't pretend Daddy didn't touch me"

Posted by: Tactless 4yo Clarice spoils Thanksgiving at January 25, 2013 02:39 PM (3ZtZW)

26 Tuned into Rush. Heard him say that non union out of state crews, helping with Sandy, were rejected from NJ and Long Island. Long Island is divided into two counties Nassau and Suffolk. Nassau is run by a republican. Many people on long island report that they had tree crews from Ohio and lineman from Michigan and Georgia.

Posted by: Caustic at January 25, 2013 02:39 PM (/b8+5)

27 The Palin supporters are frankly nuts.

Even in pieces in which *nice things* are said about her, they are *compelled* to once again renew their long list of Grievances, as if the only important political matter is How Nice People Are to Palin.

Jesus Christ Almighty, the planets do not revolve around her.

Posted by: ace at January 25, 2013 02:39 PM (LCRYB)

28 Never be right too soon. It's just Not Done, dontcha know?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Take us away. at January 25, 2013 02:40 PM (Gk3SS)

29 Palin is not a Saint and she is not a Goddess, no more than Obama is Christ.

Posted by: ace at January 25, 2013 02:36 PM (LCRYB)

Yes, but some of the dislike for Palin was the mirror image of love for Obama.

It was visceral and based on unacknowledged elitism.

Posted by: eman at January 25, 2013 02:40 PM (jp2Ur)

30 per 26, just checked, everyone saying they had out of state crews was from Nassau, run by Mangano, the republican, not suffolk run by the dems.

Posted by: Caustic at January 25, 2013 02:40 PM (/b8+5)

31 Jesus Christ Almighty, the planets do not revolve around her.

Posted by: ace at January 25, 2013 02:39 PM (LCRYB)


No, but if the Government did, we would be much better off.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 02:41 PM (l86i3)

32 This is why more Conservatives should start using the argumentative tactic of "Oh, yeah? Name 3" (or 5, or however many).

People, though they won't say this, know that people get more upset when you tell the truth about them than when you lie. "Methinks he doth protest too much" and all that.

So instead of bristling and saying, "That's not true" and being defensive, Republicans need to stop, glare at their opponent, and say, "Oh yeah? Name 3."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 02:41 PM (8y9MW)

33 Movie length post on classiness?

Not classy.

Posted by: Jim Halpert at January 25, 2013 02:41 PM (BrQrN)

34 In any Polite Dinner Conversation we will have the rules of Tact imposed upon us. The rules of Tact state that certain Truths must not be uttered.

Damn! That's what I've been doing wrong all these years. From now on, I'm no longer claiming my farts during polite dinner conversation.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2013 02:41 PM (GFM2b)

35 "Sarah Palin was attacked on this point, with emotion and vehemence, not
because she'd said something untrue but because she said something very
true indeed, but that truth was categorized by the Masters of Tact as
declasse. And they categorized it as such precisely because it was
true, and it embarrassed them, and it compromised their ability to get
what they wanted."

^ This times 10. ^ In reality, she was too damn physically attractive to be allowed to flourish in the political arean. Try to imagine Hillary's psyche and politics wrapped up in a Palin exterior, such a woman would be unstoppable. The Liberals elevate ugly, angry, graceless, stupid, and ineffectual women because that is the kind of women their ideology produces.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 25, 2013 02:41 PM (kXoT0)

36 >>>Never be right too soon. It's just Not Done, dontcha know?

yes just as the Communists once supported Hitler (as Stalin had made a deal with Hitler).

And, to be fair -- some authoritarian/fascist-friendly "rightist" factions were enamored of Herr Hitler too.

Posted by: ace at January 25, 2013 02:42 PM (LCRYB)

37
The first thing the Lefties do is demonize the person speaking out of turn. They don't ever attempt to confront the argument. Do you remember any substantive rebuttal to "death panels"?

We don't help ourselves by personalizing these issues--that's what they want. Limbaugh's a racist, thank you. No discussion of affirmative action in the media for black QB's. Palin's an idiot regardless of being dead on again and again.

I hate politicians on some pedastel--they will always disappoint us--but fixating on the person rather than the idea is what they do and what they are happy to watch us do to each other.

Posted by: spongeworthy at January 25, 2013 02:42 PM (r5w1L)

38 that anyone should be told he can't say things he believes are true for "other reasons," like politeness or tactical advantage ("we must all present a unified front with no disagreement on this point, or else the LIBERALS WIN!!").
Well there is a certain way you can be polite or tactical without alienating the very people whose side you on supposedly on. Its not tactical or polite to call people who have a different opinion than you aslunatics.

Posted by: polynikes at January 25, 2013 02:42 PM (m2CN7)

39
We had a slam dunk case against Obama in 2012. Three years of failure, chicanery, and malfeasance.

The problem was that we never opened the case because of fear.

And we're easy distracted.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 25, 2013 02:42 PM (KeJAW)

40 Are people on the left still pretending that Cornell West is an intellectual?

Posted by: jwest at January 25, 2013 02:35 PM (ZDsRL)


I think Tavis Smiley is the last person with that dunce cap on.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 25, 2013 02:42 PM (R4Bz0)

41 Has the thread been hijacked already?

People pointed out that TFG was a socialist in thought and deed. The Mandarins of Protocol hissed and screeched feigning indignation about how could anyone dare impugn TFG. So the messengers who pointed out TFG's red diapers were marginalized.

And yet here we go into circular firing squad mode again.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 02:43 PM (Mj6r9)

42 When everything about our country and our children's future is at stake, everything, then to hell with tact.

Posted by: Uncle Jefe at January 25, 2013 02:43 PM (25KoS)

43 With over thirty years as a Senior NCO in the Army let me explain tact. Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell, in such a manner as for them to look forward to the trip.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at January 25, 2013 02:43 PM (dgqjL)

44 Avenge me!


Wolverines!

Posted by: Joe Wilson at January 25, 2013 02:43 PM (BAS5M)

45 I am so fucking disappointed.

Heller II, which upheld the "assault weapons ban" and "magazine restriction" of Washington D.C., was decided by three fucking Republican judges.

There was a great dissent, but how in the FUCK could two pub judges be so fucking stupid. It's mind boggling.

Posted by: Prescient11 at January 25, 2013 02:43 PM (tVTLU)

46

And that's why today we live in this 'new normal '

Obama has no opposition.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 25, 2013 02:44 PM (vanqS)

47 caustic

did you tune into beck today?

Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at January 25, 2013 02:44 PM (GVxQo)

48 Please, Palin was attacked here no more than Bush or Romney or McCain or whoever was considered by my superiors to be the RINO of the day.

Posted by: polynikes at January 25, 2013 02:44 PM (m2CN7)

49
We can only hope that a group of courageous, non-elitests will continue to help point out the flaws of conservative candidates at critical moments to those of us prone to idol worship.

Posted by: jwest at January 25, 2013 02:45 PM (ZDsRL)

50 The entire table hisses at him, "Reginald!"

And then goes home and tells all the relatives who weren't present, and next Christmas, Uncle Moose gets all moose-themed gifts. By the time the funeral rolls around, all the cousins of Reginald's generation are shocked to learn Uncle Moose was originally christened Ervin.

My family's weird.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs an intervention at January 25, 2013 02:45 PM (ZKzrr)

51 Has the brilliant little Richie ever been horsewhipped for his Sharpton was right riff on the Trayvon Martin shooting?

Posted by: ejo at January 25, 2013 02:45 PM (GXvSO)

52 I have a headache.

Posted by: © Sponge at January 25, 2013 02:45 PM (xmcEQ)

53 With over thirty years as a Senior NCO in the Army let me explain tact. Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell, in such a manner as for them to look forward to the trip.
Posted by: CSMBigBird


See, now that's classy!

Posted by: Jim Halpert at January 25, 2013 02:45 PM (BrQrN)

54 the most infuriating aspect of this all is that the rebumblican establishment insists we follow these rules. both McCain and Romney lost two elections bc they bought into the "you can't bring up Jeremiah Wright or Bill Ayers bc it breaks the rules of honorable campaigning". In the meantime, they allow the media to accuse them of all sorts of crimes and villainy.

Posted by: L, elle at January 25, 2013 02:45 PM (0PiQ4)

55 So you're recommending that we not order the Tact?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 25, 2013 02:46 PM (xz0nG)

56 Why do people ever argue we should compromise with these people when they so willingly lie about what they are?

You can not bargain or negotiate with someone you know is willfully misstating their intentions.

Posted by: Mr Pink at January 25, 2013 02:46 PM (JMYH3)

57 My family's weird.

Then its weird in exactly the same way mine is.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 02:46 PM (8y9MW)

58 No the thing is that people - meaning ace - parroted the Left's vitriol at Palin. But she was a clear thinker who spoke the truth. Death panels? Yeah they exist. And we have them.

And yes, she clearly spotted Obama for who he was/is unlike her running mate.

And they hated her for that.

Posted by: Golan Globus at January 25, 2013 02:46 PM (/1U3u)

59 I was right before Rush. Before any of these people. I studied Obama in 2007 and knew all about the Franklin Marshall Davis, the New Party, ACORN, Bill Ayers, Annenberg Challenge, Born Alive Infant Protection Act, Occidental, Joyce Foundation, etc. I remember going to my producer's Malibu parties with all the best and brightest of Hollywood young Turks bragging about the donations they were making and pro-bono work they were doing for the Lightbringer and I brought up these points and they looked at me with cow-like uncomprehension giving way slowly to hostility. I knew.

Posted by: rrpjr at January 25, 2013 02:46 PM (pnjFD)

60 Oh, wait....

Posted by: Golan Globus at January 25, 2013 02:34 PM (/1U3u)

Let it go.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 25, 2013 02:46 PM (GsoHv)

61
Ace: ...""Tact" is the enemy of truth. Sometimes it's useful to have the truth contained, a little, to the proper time and place-- we don't want an unhappily married couple openly demonstrating their hatred of each other at a light dinner party. Tact requires they put on pretenses about this."

----

True, Ace.

But 'Tact' also disarms you....in today's political arena.

Conservative politicians and pundits seem to be stuck in 'polite dinner party mode'...while the Left does not hinder themselves with such niceties.

Posted by: wheatie at January 25, 2013 02:46 PM (fH4X9)

62

Oh, Obama has opposition, alright.

Obama has, for him, the best kind of opposition: incompetent timid ninnies.

Obama's opposition, rather than dusting him up, make him look good.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 25, 2013 02:46 PM (xIzGn)

63 the most infuriating aspect of this all is that the rebumblican establishment insists we follow these rules. both McCain and Romney lost two elections bc they bought into the "you can't bring up Jeremiah Wright or Bill Ayers bc it breaks the rules of honorable campaigning". In the meantime, they allow the media to accuse them of all sorts of crimes and villainy.
Posted by: L, elle at January 25, 2013 02:45 PM (0PiQ4)

Yep.

The GOP Machine cranks out weak shit and the Democrat Machine mows it down.

Posted by: eman at January 25, 2013 02:47 PM (jp2Ur)

64 "He who tells the truth should have one foot in the stirrup."

Posted by: Parker at January 25, 2013 02:47 PM (YkW3i)

65 >>>It was visceral and based on unacknowledged elitism.

At the risk of stating something which will be in fact an uncomfortable truth which upsets the dinner party:

It's acknowledged elitism. At least in my own head. I don't acknowledge it out of politeness, and because i know the anger it will provoke.

But if you want the truth, here it is: It is due to elitism. I do not think Sarah Palin is smart enough to be president. I don't know if she's smart enough to be vice president, either.

I do not think people who are not very smart should be president.

Now, politeness compels me to dance around this but if you want to talk about elitism -- yes, I have the "elitist" notion that a president should be of above-average intelligence, and should be willing to study to overcome her deficiencies.

And I also think she's emotionally unsuited for the position, too.

Does that mean I favored Obama? Good Lord, no. I was willing to gamble on Palin.

But, if I have my choice, then no, I do not want someone who I think is too dumb to be president to be our candidate.

Okay? So there's your elitism, now with all the politeness stripped off it.

And no, I don't think she's dumb because she's country; I think she's dumb because she's dumb.

Or, if not "dumb" -- at least not of above-average intelligence. Not at the level to give you a degree of comfort in this area.


Posted by: ace at January 25, 2013 02:47 PM (LCRYB)

66 When the other guy keeps beating you by doing it differently, you might want to take note of the differences and see if they might be useful. Or you could keep doing it the way you have been and hope for good luck.

Posted by: SurferDoc at January 25, 2013 02:48 PM (6H6FZ)

67 Please, Palin was attacked here no more than Bush or Romney or McCain or whoever was considered by my superiors to be the RINO of the day.
Posted by: polynikes at January 25, 2013 02:44 PM (m2CN7)


Bullshit, just yesterday some asshat continued the lie that she was a quitter. You don't have to like her, but at least have the common sense to admit a truth. I am beginning to lose all of my tact.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 02:48 PM (l86i3)

68 Ace - unfortunately, any mention of Palin invites love or scorn. She's like the Yankees or the Cowboys, either lover her or hate her. Its no doubt why she will for the time being have a voice.

I still think Breitbart was right. She should become the conservative Oprah or conservative Katie Couric.

Posted by: SH at January 25, 2013 02:49 PM (gmeXX)

69 How did you know I named my kid Reginald?
That's only his first name, he has 3 middle names and two hyphens.

Posted by: Clarence Carlisle Salsbury Quentin-Sykes Cavendish III at January 25, 2013 02:49 PM (Qxdfp)

70 Didn't we have this same essay earlier in the week? Is my mind wandering?

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 25, 2013 02:49 PM (wR+pz)

71 6 Vashta Narada,

Which is why the GOp needs to start building a new coalition and tell our "betters" in the Brooks/Frum wing to go fuck themselves.

Make the case for small government to the illegal in spanish and go around these bilious bastards.

Our way leads to a person having the ability to make their own real gain, liberalism wants the client population right where they are.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 02:49 PM (LRFds)

72
No the thing is that people - meaning ace - parroted the Left's vitriol
at Palin.

Posted by: Golan Globus at January 25, 2013 02:46 PM (/1U3u)

Total bullshit.

Ace criticized Palin for being a quitter, and never committing to anything. These are valid criticisms.

He also praised her for her perception of Obama and her honesty and her ability to cut through the fluff of the political process.

The fact that he was never a blind, babbling cheerleader for her still chaps the Palinistas' collective ass.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 25, 2013 02:49 PM (GsoHv)

73 I know Palin was a little on the 'tad light' side of being the best candidate for VP. But Joe Biden.

What I have successfully accomplished in the past four years is washing my hands -- and removing the entrance to my wallet -- from every stinking liberal f*ck who stuck his/her nose in the air at the 'snowbilly' who refused to abort her less then perfect child.

I take delight in shoving the reminders to come in for an eye exam or prostate exam or whatever into the trash can with as much enthusiasm as they trashed her.

Posted by: Regular Moron at January 25, 2013 02:49 PM (feFL6)

74 He's thinking of bringing sandy hook parents to shout. I hope he does it because he'd be burning political capital on an issue that is popular

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 25, 2013 02:50 PM (FKQng)

75
It's taken Rich Lowry four goddamn years to come to this conclusion?

Cripes, Republican pundits are stupid.

Posted by: Jaws at January 25, 2013 02:50 PM (4I3Uo)

76 13 You do know that all of Lowry's pieces are available at National Review, where he happens to be the editor and all?

---------

Yeah, but these days NRO is all pop-up ads, CPU-sucking scripts, and click through thingies that interrupt you just as you're getting into the first paragraph to demand that you sign up for their e-mail stuff.

Used to frequent the corner. Got tired of that crap, so I don't go there anymore.

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at January 25, 2013 02:50 PM (NmR1a)

77 >>>
Bullshit, just yesterday some asshat continued the lie that she was a quitter.

yeah, what a lie. She merely quit her governorship before the end of her term, but that doesn't make her a quitter, that makes her a fighter by other means.

She flipped the script, you know. It was so brilliant of her to do that.

Idiotic. Someone quits their office but we have to argue years after the fact about whether quitting an office makes one a quitter.

Posted by: ace at January 25, 2013 02:50 PM (LCRYB)

78
But if you want the truth, here it is: It is due to elitism. I do not think Sarah Palin is smart enough to be president. I don't know if she's smart enough to be vice president, either.


Fuck it, if you want to go to war over SP let's do this. What is your definitionm of smart?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 02:50 PM (l86i3)

79 Is this where AtC comes in with a calming manatee and Anna Puma comes in with some not-quite-NSFW music video out of Russia or Japan? Because I'd much rather those things happen than we refight the Palin wars.

I'd rather listen to TFG for 4 hours than refight the Palin wars.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 02:50 PM (8y9MW)

80 So you're recommending that we not order the Tact?
Posted by: weft cut-loop



No need. That was a fully automatic assault post with tactical sights.

....


I should feel some shame for that comment but I'm really not that classy.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at January 25, 2013 02:50 PM (BrQrN)

81 PALIN WAAAAAAAAR!!!!

I find it hilarious because Palin has absolutely no chance of being nominated, much less elected. It's like arguing that Zombie Reagan should be the nominee. Why does it even matter(TM)?

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at January 25, 2013 02:50 PM (xAtAj)

82 Posted by: ace at January 25, 2013 02:47 PM (LCRYB)

Finally.

Posted by: eman at January 25, 2013 02:50 PM (jp2Ur)

83 Of Course Sarah Palin is a Saint. St Sarah of the Perpetual Victimhood. Really Ace, quit spanking the "Ewok" and read a little.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at January 25, 2013 02:50 PM (VrVBw)

84 To SOTU, not shout

Damn autocorrect

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 25, 2013 02:51 PM (FKQng)

85 I'm still waiting for Richie Lowry to get a chin implant.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 25, 2013 02:51 PM (BuSM8)

86 Fuck "tact". If someone can't handle the truth, then they can sit at the little kids table.
It's time the adults took the keys to the liquor cabinet back.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2013 02:51 PM (GFM2b)

87 >>>You do know that all of Lowry's pieces are available at National Review, where he happens to be the editor and all?

I did NOT know that -- I thought it was an exclusive at Politico, or else I wouldn't have linked them.

Thank you for telling me that. I've ignored several Lowry pieces I liked because I thought they were only on Politco.


Posted by: ace at January 25, 2013 02:51 PM (LCRYB)

88 But if you want the truth, here it is: It is due to elitism. I do not think Sarah Palin is smart enough to be president. I don't know if she's smart enough to be vice president, either.

Overly smart politicians get us in trouble. Nixon and Wilson for instance. I want someone grounded in our Constitutional system with a healthy respect for the citizenry.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 25, 2013 02:51 PM (evdj2)

89 Obama settled once and for all the debate over his place on the political spectrum and his political designs. He’s an unabashed liberal determined to shift our politics and our country irrevocably to the left. In other words, Obama’s foes — if you put aside the birthers and sundry other lunatics — always had him pegged correctly.

To quote Hitlery, "What difference does it make?"

This changes nothing. The left will never see this or admit to this if they did.

The cult brainwashing is too overpowering for the weak-willed on the left to allow them any objective thought.

Posted by: Marmo at January 25, 2013 02:51 PM (QW+AD)

90 Well stated, Ace.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 25, 2013 02:51 PM (TOk1P)

91 I'm not picking up the FnF or Benghazi vibe.

Posted by: sTevo at January 25, 2013 02:51 PM (VMcEw)

92 Posted by: ace at January 25, 2013 02:47 PM (LCRYB)

I feel the same way about Palin but have to agree once the pick was made, if you are partisan, the only strategy is to make her look as good as possible. Otherwise it justs assists the otherside. After the election was over, I say its fair game just like every other Republican politician who receives no quarter on this site.

Posted by: polynikes at January 25, 2013 02:52 PM (m2CN7)

93 All of which is why it's so nice to stick our (rhetorical) fingers down our (metaphorical) throats and (notionally) vomit out the truth about this sucker of cock.

Posted by: joncelli at January 25, 2013 02:52 PM (RD7QR)

94 Aaaaaaand you wonder why we lose elections.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 25, 2013 02:52 PM (R4Bz0)

95
"Or, if not "dumb" -- at least not of above-average intelligence. Not at the level to give you a degree of comfort in this area."

I assume this is based on the fact that Wasila is far from Manhatten, the center of all knowledge. Other than that, you've never presented any reason why you held that position.

Posted by: jwest at January 25, 2013 02:52 PM (ZDsRL)

96
But if you want the truth, here it is: It is due to elitism. I do not think Sarah Palin is smart enough to be president. I don't know if she's smart enough to be vice president, either.


She was being bankrupted by the God Damed left when they were filing lawsuit after lawsuit that she had to defend out of her own pocket. You would shut this blog down in a second if it meant that your ass would be pennyless on the street for trying to defend it.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 02:52 PM (l86i3)

97 I avoid HotAir to avoid Palin threads.

this thread is TEARING ME APART!

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at January 25, 2013 02:52 PM (xAtAj)

98 Nixon wasn't a "resigner." We're sick of this media-concocted lie.

Posted by: Fans of Richard M. Nixon at January 25, 2013 02:53 PM (LCRYB)

99 So how smart are we here in Rightland gonna be when Jarret runs Mooch in 2016 and continues her shadow Presidency? She wanted Mooch first, but, she knew Mooch needed the slow sell to the American sheeple.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 25, 2013 02:53 PM (kXoT0)

100 I have a dream that one day, this cock sucking mother fucking piece of shit will be fully exposed and all the fucking retards that bought into his hope and change bullshit will realize that he actually made life worse for them by a long measure.


Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 25, 2013 02:53 PM (+OTLF)

101 As great as Palin, Rush, Hannity, or whoever are I think there needs to be new voices. Not that those people should go away but there needs to be others. That's what Breitbart was. Those people also would also be demonized, but you just keep bringing in new people. It's a war of attrition. Having Palin yelling Obama is a Socialist, while true, eventually just becomes white noise.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at January 25, 2013 02:53 PM (NzBQO)

102 BTW, for the record, I used to work in the news industry. In 1992, editors were actively discussing how to hide the evidence that Clinton was a sexual predator.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 25, 2013 02:53 PM (xtvQl)

103
Sarah Palin did not have the right political or education credentials or pedigree.

She had the failing of not being tactful, or deferential to certain OTHER PEOPLE in politics.

Sarah is far from infallible, and she has, in my opinion, made some kinda dumb moves if she really wanted a career in politics. But her directness and honesty are refreshing. She does speak her mind, and does speak to a certain faction as a populist, which makes her likable. I wish she would work to become a more serious politician, but I don't think that is going to happen now.

Let her stand as an example of what happens when a normal citizen tries to get engaged in politics above the local level and how the Massive Bullshit Media can eviscerate you if you are.......tactless. She is not a martyr to me, but a warning of how a decent citizen can be attacked ruthelessly by those who think they are the gatekeepers of all that is Good and True.

And Obama, he's and educated shit storm. Who knew? I wish Mike Royko was still alive, because he would have endless fun with Obama from Chicago. Who sent him?

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at January 25, 2013 02:53 PM (RFeQD)

104 >>>Overly smart politicians get us in trouble. Nixon and Wilson for
instance. I want someone grounded in our Constitutional system with a
healthy respect for the citizenry.

i agree about overly smart, I think, but I would like smart.

Underly smart isn't good either.

Posted by: ace at January 25, 2013 02:54 PM (LCRYB)

105
I don't think Joe Biden's dumb. He's a blowhard and probably dotty as well. Would I bet some serious $ Palin's smarter? Yes. Yes I would.

I would prefer to have the presidency reserved for near-geniuses only, but would settle for a bright person with common sense. (And one who balances their own checkbook. Some acquaintance with numbers would be a plus.)

Posted by: spongeworthy at January 25, 2013 02:54 PM (r5w1L)

106 I take the post as permission to lift the veil of PC that has hung like Gammy's huge bacon stripped undies on the clothesline of our collective consciousness.

Unvarnished truths such as, if Obama were white, he'd be an ever gayer John Edwards, and I'm paraphrasing the late Gerry Ferarro here.

And if Michelle were white, she'd be that guy who played the brother on Everybody Loves Raymond, (only she would have not gotten the part due to that pesky likability deficiency)

There. It's out there now.

Posted by: Opus An Arcus at January 25, 2013 02:54 PM (LZ7Cv)

107 Rush is typically more right than wrong. Quite amazing after all these years. Hannity and Levin's act wear thin. Levin is obviously smart, but the negativity turns me off. I have always loved Rush's style. Anyway, good to see that the good people at NRO still find that Rush has a place.

Posted by: SH at January 25, 2013 02:54 PM (gmeXX)

108 Where has she been wrong, Ace, as opposed to where did our great and august standard bearer, Romney was wrong, MassCare, RGGI, the Egyptian Revoluion, et al. That she didn't want to go broke because she's an honest woman,

Posted by: cardinal fang at January 25, 2013 02:54 PM (Jsiw/)

109
Why the Hell are people talking about Palin in this comments thread? I'd think it was some sort of liberal troll trick to get people to ignore the very serious article posted above, but it's far too subtle for the brand of troll that we get around here.

Posted by: junior at January 25, 2013 02:55 PM (UWFpX)

110
2012 should've been an easy election.

The People had a nice big dose of the medicine Socialism and it made the country sicker.

The Obama Experiment, in every respect, failed.

Only a team of bunglars could lose to Obama.

But it's not just Romney and the GOP who are to blame. The ever-shrinking Silent Majority is also responsible for ceding ground and allowing the Left to fester like a fungus and thrive.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 25, 2013 02:55 PM (QVBzT)

111 "I did NOT know that -- I thought it was an exclusive at Politico, or else I wouldn't have linked them."
Happy to help, Ace! Same goes true for Jonah Goldberg's pieces at USA Today, Ramesh Ponnnurrrrururnruru stuff at Bloomberg, etc.

Posted by: Rex at January 25, 2013 02:55 PM (JpC1K)

112 Tuned into Rush. Heard him say that non union out of state crews, helping with Sandy, were rejected from NJ and Long Island.

If I recall correctly, this sort of thing happened at the very local level. I.e., "gets outtas heres, youse scabs don'ts belongs heres."

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2013 02:55 PM (T0NGe)

113 Mmm....I really like this recent trend towards meaty, substantive 'think' pieces by Ace. Good stuff.

Posted by: Jeff B. at January 25, 2013 02:55 PM (OQZWo)

114 From the previous thread, there is NOTHING perverted about doing Kelly LeBrock, unless you are a female.


Posted by: Al at January 25, 2013 02:55 PM (V70Uh)

115 On the SP issue, it's fascinating that Tina Fey now wants to distance herself from her SP character. She did more damage to SP than anyone else.

As far a having "tact" is concerned. The republicans have too much tact, too gentlemanly and ladylike for my taste. Unwilling to get down and dirty. My conclusion is that they don't know how to street fight or they don't have any clue or want to get any clue on how to get down and dirty.

Romney and McCain let too much pass for you to think it wasn't deliberate.

Posted by: Caustic at January 25, 2013 02:55 PM (/b8+5)

116 Overly smart politicians get us in trouble. Nixon and Wilson for instance. I want someone grounded in our Constitutional system with a healthy respect for the citizenry.
Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 25, 2013 02:51 PM (evdj2)

I want a right Obama. Someone who'd lie right to people's faces and do the conservative thing.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 25, 2013 02:55 PM (FKQng)

117
75
It's taken Rich Lowry four goddamn years to come to this conclusion?


Cripes, Republican pundits are stupid.


Heh.
It's 'safe' now, to come to this conclusion.
He didn't have to go out on a limb, just agree with what had already been said.

Posted by: wheatie at January 25, 2013 02:55 PM (fH4X9)

118 my grandfather was framed by Mitchell and that asshat John Dean. Get your facts right.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at January 25, 2013 02:55 PM (VrVBw)

119 I wish Mike Royko was still alive, because he would have endless fun with Obama from Chicago. Who sent him?

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at January 25, 2013 02:53 PM (RFeQD)


A precondition for the existence of the JEF had to be Royko's death.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 25, 2013 02:55 PM (R4Bz0)

120 21 Michelle Obama is beautiful
Posted by: pep, Secretary of Transparent Lies at January 25, 2013 02:39 PM (6TB1Z)
--------------------------
Actually she really is, I have a photo that really shows off her assets someplace..................

Posted by: gigg at January 25, 2013 02:55 PM (41VCE)

121 well i mean, Levin is a boor. i don't think i'm "better than him," and i'm sure i agree with him on some stuff. but, he is obnoxious.

people like him err not in placing Obama on the left, which yes liberals have been deliberately obfuscating for political reasons, but pounding this Marxist/socialist idea way the hell too much. cuz a) it isn't true (and doesn't have to be -- aren't we allowed to oppose a liberal president without them necessarily being Mao Tse-tung) and b) it makes you look dumb when you're associating positions the country's essentially split on with some elite fringe.

Posted by: JDP at January 25, 2013 02:56 PM (60GaT)

122 When the other guy keeps beating you by doing it differently, you might want to take note of the differences and see if they might be useful. Or you could keep doing it the way you have been and hope for good luck.

Or, "keep taking the high road & keep getting your ass handed to you". Sometimes you DO have to get down in the mud & wrestle a pig.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2013 02:56 PM (GFM2b)

123 We don't have a spending problem. We have a health care problem.

Posted by: Barry Soetoro at January 25, 2013 02:56 PM (Cm5S0)

124 I assume this is based on the fact that Wasila is far from Manhatten,
the center of all knowledge. Other than that, you've never presented any
reason why you held that position.


Or maybe based on the fact that he's watched her shallow babbling for more than a few minutes.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 25, 2013 02:56 PM (SY2Kh)

125 Ace fell into the trap of responding to butthurt Palinistas trolling a thread saying nice things about her.

A lot of grief over a Facebook poster.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at January 25, 2013 02:56 PM (xAtAj)

126 Well at least this sort of thing doesn't alienate the base, right?

Posted by: SurferDoc at January 25, 2013 02:56 PM (6H6FZ)

127 >>>Obama settled once and for all the debate over his place on the political spectrum and his political designs.

I work with some fairly out and out commie people. I thought it was interesting to see their faces turn from elation over the re-election to grim determination and silence. They have plans, you see, and they know now is the time.

Posted by: Bigby's Spanking Hand at January 25, 2013 02:56 PM (3ZtZW)

128
....we are easily distracted...

Posted by: soothsayer at January 25, 2013 02:56 PM (wAng0)

129 Don't forget Dinesh D'Souza and others. The MSM DID NOT want the public to review his life and record.

Posted by: Al at January 25, 2013 02:57 PM (V70Uh)

130 IOW, the members of the MFM are lying sacks of shit.

Posted by: eureka! at January 25, 2013 02:57 PM (HPRku)

131 btw Ace I really like these posts too. You've been getting linked on FB by random conservatives/libertarians for these types of posts.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at January 25, 2013 02:58 PM (xAtAj)

132 i agree about overly smart, I think, but I would like smart.

Underly smart isn't good either.


Posted by: ace at January 25, 2013 02:54 PM (LCRYB)




Biden: So you're saying I'd be a good president

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 25, 2013 02:58 PM (1Jaio)

133 Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand - I think that is right. We do need some new voices. I still like Rush' voice because he keeps things light. This is why I like Rubio, Paul, Cruz, and Jindal being our party's spokemen. All are intellectuals, none are lightweights, all come across as charming and appealing, all can speak to a younger generation, they "look" diferent from ... those guys on the dollar bills. None have the Bush year baggage. Let them be the voice of this generation of conservatives.

Posted by: SH at January 25, 2013 02:58 PM (gmeXX)

134 But it's not just Romney and the GOP who are to blame. The ever-shrinking Silent Majority is also responsible for ceding ground and allowing the Left to fester like a fungus and thrive.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 25, 2013 02:55 PM (QVBzT)


No, it was there fault. Romney and the GOPs campaign organization sucked dick and all he did was buy tv time. And they didn't talk to people like they were idiots

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 25, 2013 02:58 PM (FKQng)

135 >>>Quite amazing after all these years. Hannity and Levin's act wear thin.
Levin is obviously smart, but the negativity turns me off.

I don't think it's anything objective; I think they have three different emotional pitches and whose schtick you like just depends on where you are.

Levin is, yes, "negative" and frequently angry. If you're angry, you love Levin. (And if you're occasionally angry, you love Levin when you're angry.)

Hannity seems to specialize in a sort of good-guy earnestness, which some like. Others don't like it on the theory that it's cloying.

Limbaugh does more of the cynical/jaded sarcastic thing, usually not angry per se. Levin is obviously angry, whereas Limbaugh's anger is sublimated through and hidden in jocular sarcasm.

That's a method of providing distance from your actual emotion (anger) which many people like, as they don't like the undisguised anger.

That last is more my thing, I guess.


Posted by: ace at January 25, 2013 02:58 PM (LCRYB)

136 Sarah Palin did not have the right political or education credentials or pedigree.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at January 25, 2013 02:53 PM (RFeQD)

She had corrupt pols from both parties in her state imprisoned for corruption. She understood energy, the bases for all that is our economy.

Name anyone else who has actually imprisoned corrupt pols and cleaned up there state and I will stop right now. Sometimes an innate ability to know right from wrong is enough.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 02:58 PM (l86i3)

137
I wonder if any of those media fellators have had the courage to tell him his mother was white.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 25, 2013 02:58 PM (p/cQy)

138 Is this where AtC comes in with a calming manatee
and Anna Puma comes in with some not-quite-NSFW music video out of
Russia or Japan? Because I'd much rather those things happen than we
refight the Palin wars.

I'd rather listen to TFG for 4 hours than refight the Palin wars.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 02:50 PM (8y9MW)



I'm currently home from work because The Boss, bless him, closed the office at 12:30 due to an ice storm. My server just went down on WoW. I've got a open bottle of wine and nothing else to do.


Yeah. Tact compels me to stay the fuck out of this thread before I make some comments I will deeply regret.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Take us away. at January 25, 2013 02:58 PM (Gk3SS)

139 I want a right Obama. Someone who'd lie right to people's faces and do the conservative thing.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 25, 2013 02:55 PM (FKQng)

THIS!!!!

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at January 25, 2013 02:58 PM (NzBQO)

140
>>>She is not a martyr to me, but a warning of how a decent citizen can be attacked ruthelessly by those who think they are the gatekeepers of all that is Good and True.

Bingo.

Posted by: spongeworthy at January 25, 2013 02:58 PM (r5w1L)

141 In my politicians I'll trade intelligence for modesty any day of the week. Brash politicians are fun to cheer and quote, but God, do I want more politicians without hubris. The GOP can skip finding the next Reagan and head straight to the next Coolidge. Hell, I'll take the next Chester Arthur at this point, please.

Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge at January 25, 2013 02:59 PM (JpC1K)

142 Tact never got anybody hookers and blow.

Hypocrisy wins the day!

Posted by: Fritz at January 25, 2013 02:59 PM (/ZZCn)

143

We are...

Bunglars, who are easily intimidated and distracted.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 25, 2013 02:59 PM (wAng0)

144
Flapjackmaka at January 25, 2013 02:58 PM

You stayed home on election day didn't you?

Posted by: Dick Nixon at January 25, 2013 03:00 PM (VrVBw)

145 Little Reginald notwithstanding, people choose to go to light dinner parties ... or not. Expecting tact under that circumstance is appropriate.

Politics, on the other hand, is the proxy for Hobbsian warfare that civilization imposes on us all. Governance is a sphere wherein outcomes matter, and truth ought to rule above all.

The fact that it never actually works that way doesn't invalidate my point.

Posted by: Chas C-Q at January 25, 2013 03:00 PM (6U+/4)

146 But 'Tact' also disarms you....in today's political arena. Conservative politicians and pundits seem to be stuck in 'polite dinner party mode'...while the Left does not hinder themselves with such niceties.
Posted by: wheatie at January 25, 2013 02:46 PM (fH4X9)


------------------------------------------------


And this is the repubs' problem. They're stuck in northeastern, hahvad- educated dinner mode.

I wish many of them would come to OK and learn a little southern plains wisdom. When someonehere fucks up, we tell them, "you fucked up".

Posted by: Soona at January 25, 2013 03:00 PM (/ZV9/)

147 Yeah. Tact compels me to stay the fuck out of this thread before I make some comments I will deeply regret.


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Take us away. at January 25, 2013 02:58 PM (Gk3SS)
It's ok to hijack the thread.
We still haven't had a post on Feinstein's ridiculous bill. We can talk about that.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at January 25, 2013 03:00 PM (xAtAj)

148 Jesus Christ Almighty, the planets do not revolve around her.





Posted by: ace at January 25, 2013 02:39 PM

Judging be a couple photos of the last few years, I think she keeps a couple in her bra

Posted by: kbdabear at January 25, 2013 03:00 PM (wwsoB)

149 i can't get angry about the tyranny of lightbulb regulations, i just can't

i like Rush though.

Posted by: JDP at January 25, 2013 03:00 PM (60GaT)

150 >>>Bullshit, just yesterday some asshat continued the lie that she was a quitter.

But that's not a lie. She WAS a quitter. She quit her job using the flimsiest of pretexts to become a political/reality-TV celebrity and bank a crapton of money while her "brand" was still hot.

In that respect, actually, I think she was pretty smart. She understood the ephemerality of such things and realized that she better get while the gettin' was good. It's just a shame that so many of her slavish supporters didn't recognize it for the con that it was.

Hey: have you heard anything from Sarah Palin in the last few months, as there have been multiple, major policy battles between Obama and the Republicans? Why has this Important Voice been silent?

Posted by: Jeff B. at January 25, 2013 03:01 PM (OQZWo)

151 I mean we have a plagiarist, fantasist, moron, who voted the wrong way on the original pipeline, who was for the nuclear freeze, who repeated that folderall, about FDR giving a fireside chat as President on TV, in 1929, and Couric found nothing wrong with it,

Posted by: cardinal fang at January 25, 2013 03:01 PM (Jsiw/)

152 Truth is the most painful insult and truth is the most awkward embarrassment.

AH NO, RITE???




Posted by: St. Hillary the Forgetful and her Goggles of Deception at January 25, 2013 03:01 PM (EZl54)

153 I believe Palin's popularity mainly rests on vicarious feelings.

She's an ordinary person doing fairly extraordinary work. She is someone many Americans can relate to. She went from school board to the governors office. In that regard she's an everyday role model and hero to some.

But I also believe that President or VP is out of her league. Very much for the same reasons.

But she is a fighter and I like that. Few people who allege to be "with us" today really fight. They mostly patronize and bumble.

Is there a place for her? Sure and there always will be.

Posted by: Marcus at January 25, 2013 03:01 PM (xPfg3)

154 OT Iranian nuke site explosion

http://bit.ly/SNmini

Posted by: sTevo at January 25, 2013 03:01 PM (VMcEw)

155 Trying desperately to stay on topic here, the whole notion of Tact is a Western construct, I think. Asian cultures don't understand this. Some Chinese Ivy League prof whose name escapes me wrote a book about Tiger Moms and her entire premise was that Asian children excel bc their parents don't humor them and give out ribbons for 9th place unlike their American counterparts who insist on lying to their kids. . . I had a point in there somewhere, maybe, I think. I lost my train of thought. The Palin war is a distraction.

Posted by: L, elle at January 25, 2013 03:01 PM (0PiQ4)

156 Yeah. Tact compels me to stay the fuck out of this thread before I make some comments I will deeply regret.


So....

That's a "no" on the calming manatee, then.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 03:01 PM (8y9MW)

157
Still don't get the animosity toward Palin here. If you who dislike her would spend a quarter of the time you use nitpicking Obama for an examination of the lady, it might just cause you to change your opinion.

If that were done.


Or is it just too easy to be lazy?

Posted by: irongrampa at January 25, 2013 03:02 PM (SAMxH)

158 Oh Christ, not a Palin thread. This is the conservative equivalent of 13-year-old girls cutting each other with razors.

Posted by: joncelli at January 25, 2013 03:02 PM (RD7QR)

159 http://flic.kr/p/dPvXqx

Does this work? It's a rush job, but when inspiration strikes....

Posted by: gigg at January 25, 2013 03:02 PM (41VCE)

160 149
i can't get angry about the tyranny of lightbulb regulations, i just can't

i like Rush though.


Posted by: JDP at January 25, 2013 03:00 PM (60GaT)

YOU GOTTA GET MAD!!!111!WON!!!

Posted by: MAD AS HELL BLAH BLAH at January 25, 2013 03:02 PM (xAtAj)

161

Ace,

Here you are, making some nice statements about Palin in your original post...and you still get pummelled for it.

I'm not sure we can ever have a non-emotional discusion about Palin...when just the mention of her seems to push people's buttons.

Posted by: wheatie at January 25, 2013 03:02 PM (fH4X9)

162 135 Ace,

If Steyn and Walter Williams took over I don't think I'd miss Limbaugh. Levin is like rocket fuel when anger is bubbling though. His takedown of Pelosi at the passage of Ogabecare was epic.

http://youtu.be/5sz9Vjz9554

Mark Levin on Pelosi

"You know the original Constitution was about 4500 words..."


EPIC

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 03:02 PM (LRFds)

163 Limbaugh does more of the cynical/jaded sarcastic thing, usually not angry per se. Levin is obviously angry, whereas Limbaugh's anger is sublimated through and hidden in jocular sarcasm.

---

There is truth in that. My humor and demeanor is much more like Limbaugh's. I do enjoy Levin's writing because I think he is extremely well versed on Constitutional issues.

Posted by: SH at January 25, 2013 03:02 PM (gmeXX)

164 You stayed home on election day didn't you?
Posted by: Dick Nixon at January 25, 2013 03:00 PM (VrVBw)

Pfft, yeah. Romney's campaign didn't even call my house. Don't worry, he wouldn't have won PA with my vote. And I'm not wasting 5 minutes for a guy who can't even win florida

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 25, 2013 03:02 PM (FKQng)

165 >>>Quite amazing after all these years. Hannity and Levin's act wear thin.

Levin is obviously smart, but the negativity turns me off.

I
don't think it's anything objective; I think they have three different
emotional pitches and whose schtick you like just depends on where you
are


You forgot Medved. He's different from all of the preceding three, being both very smart, willing to listen, and generally conservative without being Statler and Waldorf negative and unremittingly unpleasant (*cough*Levin*cough*). In short, he's the only one I can listen to for an extended period.

Posted by: pep at January 25, 2013 03:02 PM (6TB1Z)

166 I wonder if any of those media fellators have had the courage to tell him his mother was white.


Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 25, 2013 02:58 PM (p/cQy)



A typical commie whore white person

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 25, 2013 03:03 PM (1Jaio)

167 If you who dislike her would spend a quarter of the time you use
nitpicking Obama for an examination of the lady, it might just cause you
to change your opinion.


I would say, "you should spend the time you waste bashing Palin on fighting Obama."

But I've never been to a cocktail party.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs an intervention at January 25, 2013 03:03 PM (ZKzrr)

168 157 irongrampa,

Slo Joe is a genius, BUT Palin is a fool....

that was our "me too" legion...

I don't have an answer.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 03:03 PM (LRFds)

169 enough of this political bullshit...

i want a post about hawks. we were promised a post about hawks i wanna see it.

Posted by: redc1c4 at January 25, 2013 03:03 PM (8MasJ)

170 Now Steyn is great. I wish he had his own show either on TV or radio. Its ok to laugh about things.

Posted by: SH at January 25, 2013 03:03 PM (gmeXX)

171 Newt Gingrich is obviously "smart enough" to be POTUS, but in matters of character he fails spectacularly

Ronald Reagan was called an "amiable dunce" and not just by Democrats

Posted by: kbdabear at January 25, 2013 03:04 PM (wwsoB)

172 >>>i want a post about hawks. we were promised a post about hawks i wanna see it.

actually I asked commenters to provide me with facts about hawks sufficient to sustain a long review of hawks. You failed. You provided, at best, scattered trivia.

Posted by: ace at January 25, 2013 03:04 PM (LCRYB)

173 I suppose I haven't said this in a while:

Ace, your reaction when anybody down here in the trench says anything favorable about Palin is crazed. You get all...Jezebel-on-Twitter. It's a serious problem. And it's not "misogyny," because misogyny is usually awesome, and this never is. It's just fucked up. Search your feelings, enjoy some fake lesbo porn, LSMFT, etc.

Moving on...

I suppose I haven't said this in a while:

There's a guy who's the president of a nominally free country here, and the people of it are not allowed to say his middle name.

The president of the U.S.M.F.A. is, by the rules of tact, the God of Exodus.

We are done.

Posted by: oblig. at January 25, 2013 03:05 PM (cePv8)

174 i think too much of the talk assumes that the public is latently conservative and Romneyco. didn't "fight" hard enough, which i don't see evidence of (of course you could find discrete issues select Obama voters might be more conservative on)

that doesn't necessarily mean "ditch your old positions," so much as you have to reframe them and explain them better, a separate issue from how aggressive/non-aggressive a politician's being.

Posted by: JDP at January 25, 2013 03:05 PM (60GaT)

175 Now I see .
It wasn't that Derbyshire was wrong , Rich Lowry just thought him tactless .

Posted by: awkward davies at January 25, 2013 03:05 PM (USjX1)

176 I really like this except for the use of the word "tact" to equate it to lying -- tact, IMO, simply means one doesn't need to express every thought or feeling one has at the exact moment one is having it. That isn't the same as lying -- that is having the ability to determine the appropriate time and place to express those thoughts.

What the lefties have done with Obama for the last 5 years is straight up lying to protect him. That's called aiding and abetting, not tact.

Posted by: angienc at January 25, 2013 03:05 PM (w3JGl)

177 Romney AND co.

Posted by: JDP at January 25, 2013 03:05 PM (60GaT)

178 So, what part of this, Ace, don't you understand?

"The Media is the Enemy."


Posted by: Al at January 25, 2013 03:06 PM (V70Uh)

179 Remember the 'centrist' Obama was going to take a scalpal to the budget and make 'smart cuts' with his off the charts IQ, unlike McCain who would use a chainsaw?

Not one question in four miserable years about that scalpal from the MFM.

Posted by: Wilt the Stilt at January 25, 2013 03:06 PM (UU0OF)

180 Judging from the last couple of presidents you don't need an ivy league education or a high IQ to have the office. You need street savvy smarts and a brass set and knowing who to pick to feed you your information and run the country with you.

You probably need to be a C student party boy/girl.

Posted by: Caustic at January 25, 2013 03:06 PM (/b8+5)

181 27
The Palin supporters are frankly nuts.



Even in pieces in which *nice things* are said about her, they are
*compelled* to once again renew their long list of Grievances, as if the
only important political matter is How Nice People Are to Palin.



Jesus Christ Almighty, the planets do not revolve around her.





Posted by: ace at January 25, 2013 02:39 PM (LCRYB)

Your still pissed that your man crush from texas (i forget his name) forgot the three departments he was going abolish and had to be reminded during a debate and then tanked in the polls...and your replacement man crush got his ass beat by the obama machine.
Look (and i ask this as a general question cause you republicans are fucking retards when it comes to circular firing squad behavior), do you really think Palin is any less qualified or competant than obama was in 2008 or even is now to run this country?Why is it acceptable for the Liberals to protect their won even when their own is the incompetent spawn of satan, yet you pussy ass (not you ace but republicans in general) republicans dont even have the balls to circle the wagons in unity and defend your own women.Do you hear any liberal anywhere point out Obama's mistakes gaffes or misstatements?HELL NO! They present a unified front and dont let any of the truth get out.Yet you bitches, will eat your own and blame game and backstab every damn time.The Liberals didnt destroy Palin, the republicans let it happen.YOu think if Liberals supported that dipshit obama the way republicans conservatives, rhinos and assholes included, supported palin (cough laugh irony) that he woudl have ever made it out of the primaries against clinton?What a fucking fairy tale.
Meanwhile you got dickshits like Jindal and Crispy creme FatFuckface telling us how the republican party sucks. Send these idiots a mirror.Cause they are the party along with all the other idiots who dont stand up for our rights.But yeah...bang on palin cause you know...palin fans are nuts or something..I dont even know the woman but for fuck sake i never heard her say or do anything that would warrant the level of disrespect from within her own party.
You bitches rhinos and selfserving belly button gazing emo assholes need to get a grip and start defending your generals if you want any chance of surviving this war. And it is a FUCKING WAR!jindal noonan frum christy...these assholes are just going to manage your decline. Times are a changing my ass.
And you wonder why you lose.Grow some fucking backbone and stand with your convictions and dance with the ones that brung ya.Spineless ratfink turds in this party are going to be the death of it.

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 25, 2013 03:06 PM (+OTLF)

182 Asian cultures don't understand this.

Incorrect. Asian cultures are actually very big on what we call "Tact." "Saving face" is an Asian notion.

You are right that they don't coddle their children, but that isn't tact. Telling little Johnny (or Reginald, as the case may be) that, no, he's not the fastest runner on the team and maybe he should focus on being a goalie, or on learning chess, is not a lack of tact.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 03:06 PM (8y9MW)

183 Here in the Hudson Valley a hawk swiped a steak of my BBQ.

How's that for a hawk story?

Or what about up river where thee cadet let a mouse go and the hawk ate it?
http://tinyurl.com/alaawtr

Posted by: Marcus at January 25, 2013 03:07 PM (xPfg3)

184 She is not a martyr to me, but a warning of how a decent citizen can be attacked ruthelessly by those who think they are the gatekeepers of all that is Good and True.Bingo.
Posted by: spongeworthy at January 25, 2013 02:58 PM (r5w1L)


Absolutely THIS. And she wasn't the only one in that election. Anyone remember Joe the Plumber? How 'bout macaca? I'm sure if we really try we could remember others whose names were drug through the sewer for calling things as they are.

We remember Palin only because she was villlified the most. Even by the so-called conservatives.

Posted by: Soona at January 25, 2013 03:07 PM (/ZV9/)

185 161 Wheatie,

I knew who she was, briefed in the horde on her work in AK and have pretty much let her go.

We as a party failed her, we should have attacked the left for using outsider donations to exert specious ethics charges that she was personally liable economically to defend.

Yeah she could have kept her job by risking total bankruptcy of Todd's business.

The left declared her kill on sight because without the full court press she was about to flip Soccer Mom probably.

Doesn't matter, I appreciate Sarah Palin being in our ranks, but she will not be our standard bearer the media and our own won't let her and that's okay.

I am a lot more worried about the document than who our clown in the clown car is.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 03:07 PM (LRFds)

186 I can't believe someone said something bad about My Candidate!

Posted by: Guy Who Didnt Read The Post at January 25, 2013 03:07 PM (xAtAj)

187
Trying desperately to stay on topic here, the whole notion of Tact is a
Western construct, I think. Asian cultures don't understand this. Some
Chinese Ivy League prof whose name escapes me wrote a book about Tiger
Moms and her entire premise was that Asian children excel bc their
parents don't humor them and give out ribbons for 9th place unlike their
American counterparts who insist on lying to their kids. Posted by: L, elle


No. Look up Honne and Tatamae.

Kids in Asian cultures are not considered independent people to whom you have to show deference or respect.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 25, 2013 03:07 PM (xz0nG)

188
Shorter: The Emperor has No Clothes story.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 25, 2013 03:07 PM (p/cQy)

189 >>>Ace, your reaction when anybody down here in the trench says anything favorable about Palin is crazed. You

check your facts. I never have any reaction when someone says somethng nice about palin -- I ignore it. It's an internal eyeroll.

I have a reaction when someone tells me, for the bazillionth time, that *I* am insufficiently supportive of the great work the ex-governor is doing on FaceBook.


Posted by: ace at January 25, 2013 03:07 PM (LCRYB)

190
4 Good thing nobody here criticized Palin.

did someone call me?
yeah, yeah, i'm slow...i'm painting a guitar
(and screwing up the white damnit)

Posted by: navycopjoe at January 25, 2013 03:07 PM (8nyQY)

191

Good grief, hasn't Palin been disappeared long enough to be ignored yet?

I mean, I like her fine, but she'sthe definition of anothingburger these days.

Posted by: Meremortal, Watching It Burn at January 25, 2013 03:07 PM (1Y+hH)

192 great post. Truth to power, heh. I think conservative politicians, instead of abandoning Palin and Limbaugh, should mimic them. As you have noted, silence is often believed to be agreement. We cede a lot of ground to the progs when we ignore their bullshit, or try and compromise, or "build consensus". May as well go down fighting, and with integrity

Posted by: thunderb at January 25, 2013 03:07 PM (Dnbau)

193
Rush has enough "oomph" and money and exposure, and frankly experience dealing with being a target, that he doesn't care too much about being "tactful".

He has a large, loyal audience, and a raft of sponsors and affiliates that make money, so he can go out and say these things, and people will still come and listen. Is Rush always right? I've been listening to him, off and on, for about 20 years (really, that long?) and sometimes he is dead on, and sometimes he does miss the mark. But when he misses, he will sometimes come back and discuss his own mistakes.

A lot of public people are very uncomfortable with being a target, and don't know how to handle it, which then makes them "tactful". I find myself being "tactful" at some company meetings, because to come flat out and say that a major executive in the company (like sometimes the CEO) really screwed something up is a sure way to get on the shit list and maybe lose your job. There is a way to being truthful, getting the truth out, without being so personal as to absolutely paint yourself into a corner.

But what has happened to Obama is just plain lying. There were people who wrote about him "truthfully" in 2008 and were ignored. Just as in 1992 there was a writer for the Arkansas Democrat Gazette that wrote quite truthfully about Bill and Hillary (he is dead now) and was artfully ignored until after the election, and then was brought on a talking head show to discuss and ridicule him (politely, of course).

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at January 25, 2013 03:07 PM (RFeQD)

194 What infuriates me about lightbulbs is that it was signed by GWB. The lightbulb regulations just encapsulate everything that is wrong with Washington. And just the other day, thinking I finally need a 100watt bulb, because normally I don't use them, I remembered that I can't buy one.

Posted by: SH at January 25, 2013 03:07 PM (gmeXX)

195
"And I'm not wasting 5 minutes for a guy who can't even win florida"

Florida was in play long after the polls closed. Perhaps if principled folks like you so called conservatives had quit your longing for St Sarah the Spineless and gotten behing the actual GOP nominee, you know, the person that actually ran for POTUS against Obama, maybe he would have won. Since you didn't vote, your opinion really doesn't matter. No skin in the game as it were. Palin didn't have the guts for running for POTUS. She'd rather set on the sidelines and cheered on Michelle Bachmann the night she went after Perry on Liquid Whore.

Thanks for playing.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at January 25, 2013 03:08 PM (VrVBw)

196 Palin?


Yeah I'd do her, but if she opened up that whinny mouth, I would have to stick something in it to shut her up.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 25, 2013 03:08 PM (wR+pz)

197 Yeah, the hate was strong in here when it came to Palin

Posted by: Ricky 'Sweatervest' Santorum at January 25, 2013 03:08 PM (F6KtL)

198 181

you vill be purged

Posted by: JDP at January 25, 2013 03:08 PM (60GaT)

199 Constitution? You know who's got a helluva constitution? Big Mooch.
Tamales, lobster, dessert, and the occasional stray fly or two.
Nothing seems to upset her tummy.

Posted by: wth at January 25, 2013 03:08 PM (wAQA5)

200 WHAT DIFFERENCE, AT THIS POINT, DOES IT MAKE???

Posted by: Hillary Rodmuncher Clinton at January 25, 2013 03:08 PM (jucos)

201 The ever-shrinking Silent Majority is also responsible for ceding ground and allowing the Left to fester like a fungus and thrive.

Liberalism is still "cool". Despite its failures, it's still cool. That's really it. Also, many people get some sort of thrill about their condescendingly paternalistic racism.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2013 03:08 PM (T0NGe)

202 141 -

I don't even warrant an honorable mention?

Posted by: Zombie James Garfield at January 25, 2013 03:09 PM (TOk1P)

203 David Brooks is brilliant? Really, Lowry? It would have been sufficient to simply call him a NYT columnist; the "brilliant" is just so much bootlicking.

What were those Japanese term from last week, about what you pretend to believe and what you really believe? Tatemae and honne? I'd present this as the perfect example of those two terms in practice.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 25, 2013 03:09 PM (4df7R)

204 I like Lavin because he is the Reginald at the table.

Posted by: Bosk at January 25, 2013 03:09 PM (QkFee)

205
No more about Palin. Might cause me to say something tactless.


See you later, on the ONT.

Posted by: irongrampa at January 25, 2013 03:09 PM (SAMxH)

206
184 We remember Palin only because she was villlified the most

I thought it was because of her sweater puppies and nice legs

Posted by: navycopjoe at January 25, 2013 03:09 PM (8nyQY)

207 @181
Get an editor. Unhinged rants lose effectiveness when they are over long.

Posted by: pep at January 25, 2013 03:09 PM (6TB1Z)

208 Many moons ago there was this guy who used his knowledge of The Army to forge travel orders for himself as an O-6--and flew back and forth all over the USA, wearing a full birds Class As, and seeing the USA.


After a few months he got sloppy, slipped up, got caught, and shipped off to Leavenworth for a while. Also, he could forge travel orders but not payroll, so he ran outa funds


Reminds me of the MFM ( only they get paid )--flying around, pretending to be something they're not, not really doing anything except burdening the system. They're tourists, doing no actual work and faking it non-stop




Posted by: sierra five at January 25, 2013 03:09 PM (Dll6b)

209 Boy, such an interesting piece by Rich Lowry, which isn't about Sarah Palin. [Bangs head against desk, goes back to boring work project]

Posted by: joncelli at January 25, 2013 03:09 PM (RD7QR)

210 You get all...Jezebel-on-Twitter.

That should leave a mark. And not undeservedly.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs an intervention at January 25, 2013 03:10 PM (ZKzrr)

211 O/T : Looks like "Accidental Lesbian Pr0n" doesn't happen just on AoSHQ; CPS = Chicago Public Schools

CPS Email To Parents Directs Them To Adult WebSite

http://tinyurl.com/bj6xtmk

CHICAGO (CBS) — The Chicago Public Schools system has apologized for sending an email to parents that included a typo in a web link that sent them to an erotic website as a result.



Posted by: kbdabear at January 25, 2013 03:10 PM (wwsoB)

212 Sitting around in cold damp city, waiting for the "great snow" that the paper always predicts and never comes.


Like all newspapers, they lie about just about everything.

They can't help themselves.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 25, 2013 03:10 PM (wR+pz)

213
"Grow some fucking backbone and stand with your convictions and dance with the ones that brung ya.Spineless ratfink turds in this party are going to be the death of it."

Many GOPers refused to vote for their own Party's nominee and stayed home rather than vote for Mitt. Mitt won the nomination and THREE FUCKING MILLION Gopers stayed home compared to 08. If they showed up Romney is POTUS now.

Palin didn't run. Perry did and didn't win. Mitt ran and won the nomination. And the so called fiscal conservatives and purists stayed the fuck home.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at January 25, 2013 03:11 PM (VrVBw)

214 >>>David Brooks is brilliant? Really, Lowry? It would have been sufficient
to simply call him a NYT columnist; the "brilliant" is just so much
bootlicking.


i believe his intention was to contrast the "dumb, uneducated" Rush who got it right and the supposedly "brilliant, ivy-educated" brooks who got it wrong. I think he's trying to illustrate what I'm talking about, which is that truth, apparently, is irrelevant in these determinations -- the media loves Brooks' falsehoods and despises Limbaugh's truths.



Posted by: ace at January 25, 2013 03:11 PM (LCRYB)

215 OK, I have made myself a drink and I guess I am done on the Palin thing. I believe we need her or someone like her to straighten this shit out. Only a grasp of right and wrong will fix this. We are innundated with liars and frauds for pols. Get a real person and they are summarily destroyed, family ridiculed and drained financially.

It is Not Sarah Palin the individual I defend, it is the individual that we need to fix this mess of a nation that will face the same onslaught on both sides. It is why we end up with Romneys and McCains.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 03:11 PM (l86i3)

216
Now I see .


It wasn't that Derbyshire was wrong , Rich Lowry just thought him tactless .



Posted by: awkward davies That right there is some pretty smart stuff.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at January 25, 2013 03:11 PM (RFeQD)

217 Why the need to attack Jindal to support Palin. Its possible to like Palin and other candidates. In an ideal world both Palin and Jindal would be in their second terms as reform govenors. Palin got the call and used it. She parlayed that into a bigger gig with fox. Can't fault her. But there is no reason to trash one to support the other.

Posted by: SH at January 25, 2013 03:12 PM (gmeXX)

218

That third govt. department was so useless I couldn't even remember what it was! And people called that a problem!

Oops, excuse me, I'm standing on a drill site. Have at it, boys!

-Gov Perry

I love this guy, I'm collecting gas royalties due to him.

Posted by: Meremortal, Watching It Burn at January 25, 2013 03:12 PM (1Y+hH)

219
I don't know how Palin got into this thread, but I would like to confirm that I would still ride that like Slim Pickens Kinging his Kong on a nuclear bomb.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 25, 2013 03:12 PM (p/cQy)

220 I was here. "Palin-hating" is a misnomer. It's "Palanista-hating".

Palin pick got us somewhat excited for the ticket, much like the Ryan pick.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at January 25, 2013 03:12 PM (xAtAj)

221 No matter what, this movie sucks.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 25, 2013 03:12 PM (imtbm)

222 Brit Hume ‏@brithume

Scotus seems certain to hear NLRB recess appts. case as there is a conflict btw D.C. Circuit ruling today an earlier one by 11th Circuit.

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 25, 2013 03:12 PM (8sCoq)

223 If Palin is so dumb, how do you explain her accomplishments up until she became veep candidate? Was she someone's puppet? There is no evidence of that
at all.

Posted by: Real Joe at January 25, 2013 03:12 PM (u1hOQ)

224 Posted by: Dick Nixon at January 25, 2013 03:08 PM (VrVBw)

You mad.

I havent said anything about Palin. Just saying we need our own SCOAMF.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 25, 2013 03:12 PM (FKQng)

225 So what you are saying is that liberals would rather be thought guileless than tactless, even though the former is the surest way to the gulag yet invented by man.

So much for their vaunted sophistication and speaking truth to power.

And yeah, it was obvious when people on the right ganged up on Palin for stating the obvious that the battle was lost. A lot of us tried to make that point but no one was listening. Now that an object lesson has been made of what happens when you forthrightly state conservative principles we are left with the McCain's and Romney's, who are neither cat nor dog in the political menagerie.

That is why there is so much despair and hopelessness.

Posted by: Voluble at January 25, 2013 03:12 PM (qYvEa)

226

>>But my point is that the remark is Socially Unwelcome not because it's false but rather precisely because it's true.

Truth is the most painful insult and truth is the most awkward embarrassment.




Yeah, and if you're a leftist that depends on the subversion of truth across the board to support your false assertions, truth is far more than an awkward embarrassment, it is the death penalty to your dark agenda.

There should be a price to pay for those phonies like Brooks and Noonan and Parker and Frum that pretend to be right leaning opinion analysts and took the easier road while the more accurate view desperately needed support.
And a sharp rebuke for untimely tactfulness ain't nearly enough.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 25, 2013 03:13 PM (aZ6ew)

227 @212

Oh my GOD! A winter storm! slick roads! No bread! Death and destruction sure to follow!


http://tinyurl.com/bga7tw2

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 25, 2013 03:13 PM (wR+pz)

228 209 Joncelli,

exactly I read it and didn't even think about any of the mentioned but probably all of us....


How many of us warned, showed, discussed, trued to convince and failed with someone who should be sensible but decided SNL hahaha Hope Race...post-racial?

When I figured out they were not in the least bit ashamed in the numbers they should have been and the media went full court press I fresked out as you all recall.

The he picked Ryan and I hoped for just long enough that my age and lower would GET the MATH!

I screwed up.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 03:13 PM (LRFds)

229
Like Limbaugh just a few weeks ago, I can't for the life of me, understand why people who are on our side had to voice their opinions about Palin after the decision had been made.

Everyone expected the liberals to attack her. There was no surprise when the press did everything they could to destroy her, but some of us wonder why it was necessary for respected figures on the right to jump on the pile.

Rush found it disgusting. I find it inexplicible.

Posted by: jwest at January 25, 2013 03:13 PM (ZDsRL)

230 I had Obama figured out as a Communist from the very start. But then again, I had a special advantage. I FUCKING UNDERSTAND ENGLISH.

Posted by: LGoPs at January 25, 2013 03:13 PM (BJVEF)

231 Is this movie out in theaters or did it go straight to DVD?

Posted by: Andy at January 25, 2013 03:13 PM (hjRtO)

232 Posted by: ace at January 25, 2013 03:11 PM (LCRYB)

Yes.

Posted by: eman at January 25, 2013 03:13 PM (jp2Ur)

233 i believe his intention was to contrast the "dumb, uneducated" Rush who got it right and the supposedly "brilliant, ivy-educated" brooks who got it wrong. I think he's trying to illustrate what I'm talking about, which is that truth, apparently, is irrelevant in these determinations -- the media loves Brooks' falsehoods and despises Limbaugh's truths.

Hmm... Could be. It still doesn't read like it to me, but I'll cede the point.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 25, 2013 03:14 PM (4df7R)

234
before I put another coat of white on just let me say...
RUN SARAH RUN!!!!
Teh SARAH!!!/West 2016

Posted by: navycopjoe at January 25, 2013 03:14 PM (8nyQY)

235
"You mad."

yep. I worked my ass off for Romney only to watch you purists stay home on election day. And you are one of Sarah's cheerleaders.

Thanks for playing.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at January 25, 2013 03:14 PM (VrVBw)

236 I screwed up.


Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 03:13 PM (LRFds)

You effed up! You trusted us!

Posted by: Generation FSA at January 25, 2013 03:14 PM (xAtAj)

237 Look. The point here isn't about the merits of Levin, Rush, or the dumb snowbilly.

They're just prominent examples of people- including virtually everyone on the right wing blogosphere- who noted that Obama wasn't the pragmatic centrist he pretended to be. A cursory look at his record demonstrated that.

For this they (we) were labelled by the left and their MSM allies as racist, extremely extreme extremists engaged in name-calling extremism. And racism. Mostly racism.

Now that he's safely won his second term and outed himself as a partisan liberal, where the fuck is our apology? Where's the acknolwedgement that yes, right wingers (be they Rush, Levin, Hannity, The Quitter, or bloggers) were right about Obama being a doctrinaire liberal, and they were wrong?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 25, 2013 03:15 PM (SY2Kh)

238
what did they name the winter storm, this time?

Kelvon?

Posted by: soothsayer at January 25, 2013 03:15 PM (C0ttM)

239 Rush found it disgusting. I find it inexplicible.
Posted by: jwest at January 25, 2013 03:13 PM (ZDsRL)

Picture a Venn diagram of Liberal, Conservative, Elitist.

Find the regions of overlap.

Posted by: eman at January 25, 2013 03:15 PM (jp2Ur)

240 I will say this about Palin, in my best Brent voice of course I'd hit it...

Posted by: CSMBigBird at January 25, 2013 03:15 PM (dgqjL)

241 236 Generation FSA,


Yeah but wait for the sequel....

//MATH! in "Math2-the revenge"

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 03:16 PM (LRFds)

242 I worked my ass off for Romney only to watch you purists stay home on election day.
-----------------------

I'm so sorry.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 25, 2013 03:16 PM (FKQng)

243 I mean, I like her fine, but she'sthe definition of anothingburger these days.

She's good for 300 comments.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 25, 2013 03:16 PM (evdj2)

244

"And the so called fiscal conservatives and purists stayed the fuck home."

Medved (someone's favorite, not mine) says this claim is false.


Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 25, 2013 03:16 PM (Kgufq)

245 I'd hit it.


Posted by: St. Hillary the Forgetful and her Goggles of Deception at January 25, 2013 03:17 PM (EZl54)

246 Took 220 comments to make a movie joke.

You guys are slipping.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at January 25, 2013 03:17 PM (xAtAj)

247 Jesus Christ Almighty, the planets do not revolve around her. Posted by: ace at January 25, 2013 02:39 PM (LCRYB)


-------------------------------------------------


I see you've made up your mind and sticking with it.
My theory of why people had/have an infatuation with Palin is because all during that election the conservative voters had no politician's voice. She was the only one in either party that stood in front of the nation and talked about conservative principles. She was really the only one willing to turn on thelight in the progressive darkness.

Posted by: Soona at January 25, 2013 03:17 PM (/ZV9/)

248

Speaking of Paul Ryan...

He. Sucked.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 25, 2013 03:17 PM (052zE)

249
Even Camille Paglia respects Rush Limbaugh's big voice and willingness to pick something up by the ankles and shake out the loose change.
Rush, who has 600 affiliates, millions of listeners and makes millions of dollars a year. A vulgar populist.

David Brooks is a courtier. He gets to go on PBS Newshour and debate with that retarded Irish dwarf Mark Shields. And that makes him "respected", plus his gig with that big newspaper in New York City that is going bankrupt.

Winning!

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at January 25, 2013 03:17 PM (RFeQD)

250 Now that he's safely won his second term and outed himself as a partisan liberal, where the fuck is our apology? Where's the acknolwedgement that yes, right wingers (be they Rush, Levin, Hannity, The Quitter, or bloggers) were right about Obama being a doctrinaire liberal, and they were wrong?
Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 25, 2013 03:15 PM (SY2Kh)


You're forgetting the Leftist Amnesia Effect. They will never admit that they were ever wrong, despite documented evidence to the contrary. And even if they WERE wrong, it was nothing worthy of apology. Just the cut and thrust of debate, don't you know?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 25, 2013 03:17 PM (4df7R)

251 237 Hollowpoint,

Bingo, I had a guy I've made acquaintence and done business with here basically lecture me that "yeah you're right and you know what it is scary how right you guess where he's going sometimes but WHY CAN'T YOU WANT HIM TO BE RIGHT SOMETIMES?"

Uh....hello?

I was not here during Bush but what the high fuck and what do you say in response to that?

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 03:18 PM (LRFds)

252 Raptors in NY
http://tinyurl.com/ate9bjf

Raptors in North America
http://tinyurl.com/bfsujbp

North American Birds of Prey
http://tinyurl.com/bhc78tn

Now get to work on hawks Ace.

Posted by: Marcus at January 25, 2013 03:18 PM (xPfg3)

253 238


what did they name the winter storm, this time?



Kelvon?





Posted by: soothsayer at January 25, 2013 03:15 PM (C0ttM)

I think Trayvon, lot's of Black ice.
I denounce myself.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 25, 2013 03:18 PM (wR+pz)

254 There should be a price to pay for those phonies like Brooks and Noonan and Parker and Frum that pretend to be right leaning opinion analysts and took the easier road while the more accurate view desperately needed support.And a sharp rebuke for untimely tactfulness ain't nearly enough.

My dear sir, of what do you speak?

Posted by: T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII at January 25, 2013 03:18 PM (BrQrN)

255 237

point taken

the issue though is that liberals think liberalism is centrist. as in, all opposition must be "extreme" in some way.

Posted by: JDP at January 25, 2013 03:18 PM (60GaT)

256 Tact: Wiping the blood of the last journalist you killed off your knife before you knife the next one.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at January 25, 2013 03:18 PM (6BgmB)

257 Kudos, Ace, on another insightful post.

The Carrie Prejean (remember her? The California beauty pageant contestant who said marriage should be between a man and a woman) is a perfect example of this Rules of Tact discussion. She basically was quoting Obama at the time, but her faux pas was that she isn't Obama. You see, when you're Jehovah, you can break your own rules.

So that's another fine point about the Rules of Tact: you can break any and every rule ... IF YOU'RE GOD! (which is to say, Obama OR the highest standing liberal in the room, such as a university professor).

Posted by: MaxMBJ at January 25, 2013 03:18 PM (deaac)

258 Just because the First Lady scarfs down food, puts her elbows on the table and rolls her eyes at table guests doesn't mean that you're allowed to, Mr Wicket. Dinner-table tact is for us all.

Oh, and try not to shed on the furniture or into the soup tureen.

Posted by: miss manners at January 25, 2013 03:18 PM (01R+Z)

259 The questions are moot. LiFB.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 25, 2013 03:19 PM (evdj2)

260 213

"Grow some fucking backbone and stand with your convictions and
dance with the ones that brung ya.Spineless ratfink turds in this party
are going to be the death of it."

Many GOPers refused to vote for
their own Party's nominee and stayed home rather than vote for Mitt.
Mitt won the nomination and THREE FUCKING MILLION Gopers stayed home
compared to 08. If they showed up Romney is POTUS now.

Palin
didn't run. Perry did and didn't win. Mitt ran and won the nomination.
And the so called fiscal conservatives and purists stayed the fuck home.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at January 25, 2013 03:11 PM (VrVBw)

Like a said, a bunch of emo cunts in this party who would rather wine moan complain and backstab eachother and "sit out the vote" to prove a point like anyone gives a shit once you lose what your point it you retarded dumb fucks...you dont see liberal who dont like obama and would have preferred clinton sitting at home...liberals are like stupid lemmings, they follow and show up to vote apparently.Republicans are like fucking pissed off retarded ass raped lemmings that dont understand there stretched out tender ass raped asshole is not safe if they dont get off their ass and act as one fucking party.Mother fuckers like Santa Claus Paul, who wouldnt even endorse ROmney, have no place in this party. That fucking tard leads by example and i am sure there were plenty of Paultarded mother fuckers who followed that example.Same goes for Palin, if the talking shitheads of our party had not led by example and started trashing palin, i am pretty damn sure things would be different...but hell now someone them actively decided to suck obamas cock too...yes Noonan you old scrunt i am talking about you you fucking idiot.

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 25, 2013 03:19 PM (+OTLF)

261

Mitt shoulda picked Rubio (like I said).

Posted by: soothsayer at January 25, 2013 03:19 PM (vanqS)

262 I see you've made up your mind and sticking with it. My theory of why people had/have an infatuation with Palin is because all during that election the conservative voters had no politician's voice. She was the only one in either party that stood in front of the nation and talked about conservative principles. She was really the only one willing to turn on thelight in the progressive darkness.
Posted by: Soona at January 25, 2013 03:17 PM (/ZV9/)

Pretty good point

Posted by: The Jackhole at January 25, 2013 03:19 PM (nTgAI)

263 254
There should be a price to pay for those phonies like Brooks and
Noonan and Parker and Frum that pretend to be right leaning opinion
analysts and took the easier road while the more accurate view
desperately needed support.And a sharp rebuke for untimely tactfulness
ain't nearly enough.



My dear sir, of what do you speak?





Posted by: T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII at January 25, 2013 03:18 PM (BrQrN)

They remained acceptable at Georgetown dinner parties and that's what mattered to them. Actual intellectual consistency didn't enter into that consideration.

Posted by: joncelli at January 25, 2013 03:19 PM (RD7QR)

264 Took 220 comments to make a movie joke.You guys are slipping.
Posted by: HoboJerky


Ahem

Posted by: Comment 33 at January 25, 2013 03:19 PM (BrQrN)

265 David Brooks is a courtier.

I would have said court jester, but they were actually expected to say unpleasant realities to the king from time to time.

Posted by: pep at January 25, 2013 03:19 PM (6TB1Z)

266 Tact: Wiping the blood of the last journalist you killed off your knife before you knife the next one.
Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at January 25, 2013 03:18 PM (6BgmB)

WORD

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 03:19 PM (l86i3)

267 235 Dick Nixon,

and I wound up just donating because you could see that our side had too many in PURITY WARS! why can't we have a closeted Reagan like they got Closet Lenin?

I was so wound up I knew beyond a handful of phonecalls I made I'd be a disaster on the door to door circuit because I wanted it too bad.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 03:20 PM (LRFds)

268 I mean, I like her fine, but she'sthe definition of anothingburger these days.

She's good for 300 comments.Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 25, 2013 03:16 PM (evdj2) --- - --- ---- - ---- --Thanks for making my point. she used to be good for a thousand.

Posted by: Meremortal, Watching It Burn at January 25, 2013 03:20 PM (1Y+hH)

269 I don't like the whole "smart" thing because I don't think we do (or can) properly evaluate intellect through our media.

We have the hindsight of Reagan's letters but even conservatives had to give way to the notion of the "amiable dunce".

I also live in a different world than ace and others. I'm a mathematician and I'm not the least bit impressed by rhetoric or writing.

I'd posit that Sarah Palin is far more intelligent than David Brooks, no mater how "well" he writes. He's wrong. Wrong on basic things. Wrong on obvious things. Wrong in the subject in which he should be an expert. Wrong.

As to her true intellect, for me she's down in the same pit as the rest of the crew who can't do calculus. Math is the only reliable filter for intellect.

But I'd guess that the most recent Abel laureate (my advisor, BTW) might fail the "smart" test even in his native language because he doesn't wear the affectations of the intelligentsia.

Or as I call them, the pretensia.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2013 03:20 PM (T0NGe)

270 I see you've made up your mind and sticking with it. My theory of why people had/have an infatuation with Palin is because all during that election the conservative voters had no politician's voice. She was the only one in either party that stood in front of the nation and talked about conservative principles. She was really the only one willing to turn on thelight in the progressive darkness.
Posted by: Soona at January 25, 2013 03:17 PM (/ZV9/)



Well Done.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 03:20 PM (l86i3)

271
Did anyone watch "Iron Lady", the Margaret Thatcher movie?

Apparently, liberals have one template for conservative women and you simply switch names when needed.

Posted by: jwest at January 25, 2013 03:20 PM (ZDsRL)

272 Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 25, 2013 03:19 PM (+OTLF)


I am liking your tone

Posted by: The Jackhole at January 25, 2013 03:20 PM (nTgAI)

273 what did they name the winter storm, this time?



Kelvon?





Posted by: soothsayer at January 25, 2013 03:15 PM (C0ttM)


Kaaaaaahhhhhhnnnnn!

No, really....Kahn.

Posted by: Tami at January 25, 2013 03:21 PM (X6akg)

274 ALL ABOUT BIRDS
http://tinyurl.com/ahq58ho

Cornell University- I love that site.

Posted by: Marcus at January 25, 2013 03:21 PM (xPfg3)

275 Ahem

Posted by: Comment 33 at January 25, 2013 03:19 PM (BrQrN

Wasn't a joke about it being a movie review.

4 Pinocchios

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at January 25, 2013 03:21 PM (xAtAj)

276 Conservatives of America almost always get beaten up in the Tact Wars. They simply don't do nuance as well as the libs. Plus, of course, the libs own the media. That's why Hillary won against the Repubs: it wasn't that she told the truth (she didn't, of course); it was that she was able wait long enough after the fact that the public had forgotten the original sin and now were ready to turn on the bloodhounds. Hillary and company understand this; Republicans do not.

Lying, you see, has an expiration date.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at January 25, 2013 03:21 PM (deaac)

277 http://tinyurl.com/apr9ch7

Big excitement, a dolphin is stuck in the Gowanus Canal in Brooklyn. Guess they want it cleaned up and have decided to create a stir. It's like the number 1 uncleaned super fund site in the country.

Posted by: Caustic at January 25, 2013 03:22 PM (/b8+5)

278 Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2013 03:20 PM (T0NGe)


From one math major to another, thank you.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 03:22 PM (l86i3)

279 >>>My theory of why people had/have an infatuation with Palin is because
all during that election the conservative voters had no politician's
voice. She was the only one in either party that stood in front of the
nation and talked about conservative principles. She was really the only
one willing to turn on thelight in the progressive darkness.

I agree with that. Well, not with the "only" characterization. Certainly she was the most prominent and usually the most unabashed.

I think Palin has some virtues. I've said so. I continue to say so.

Do you think she has any flaws?

Incidentally sometimes I wonder about this: I think a lot of the Palinistas want something to make her whole, that is, to make up for the bad treatment she got.

I'm not against that idea but what I find to be a dealbreaker is the idea "the only thing we as a nation (or as a party) can do to compensate her for her poor treatment (including by the party) is to nominate her as our party's selection for President."

It's at that point I say: No. It will have to be something short of that.

People like me -- who actually don't *hate* Palin, but we're not supporting her for Presdient, either -- have all sorts of ideas of where Palin could serve. Senator? We're all on board.

But she doesn't want the job. And yet this seems to be held against *us*, as if we're the ones who are refusing.

If it's president or nothing than for me it will be nothing.


Posted by: ace at January 25, 2013 03:22 PM (LCRYB)

280 *shuffles into thread*


*notes the name Palin*


*walks out of thread to avoid the circular firing squad*

Posted by: Kinley Ardal, Palin fan at January 25, 2013 03:22 PM (6Btru)

281 They remained acceptable at Georgetown dinner parties and that's what mattered to them. Actual intellectual consistency didn't enter into that consideration.

I know.T. Coddingtonwas an ongoing Iowahawk bit making fun of them.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at January 25, 2013 03:22 PM (BrQrN)

282 Conservatives of America almost always get beaten up in the Tact Wars. They simply don't do nuance as well as the libs.

Liberals don't do nuance at all. They obfuscate.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 25, 2013 03:23 PM (evdj2)

283 Posted by: Soona at January 25, 2013 03:17 PM (/ZV9/)

Can't I like Palin because she is good looking and has a great backside?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 25, 2013 03:23 PM (GsoHv)

284

Kahn??

oy vey

Posted by: soothsayer at January 25, 2013 03:23 PM (QVBzT)

285 She was our last chance for a generation to have a hot President

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 25, 2013 03:23 PM (8sCoq)

286 "Liberals don't do nuance at all. They obfuscate."

Touche.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at January 25, 2013 03:23 PM (deaac)

287 Isn't there a mea culpa, Ace, for you were critical of Rush, at the time he saif 'I hope he fails' Hannity is a little one note, but he understood the main point, Btw, how did 'he's a good man, just in over his head' work as a campaign strategy.

Posted by: cardinal fang at January 25, 2013 03:24 PM (Jsiw/)

288 Tact: Wiping the blood of the last journalist you killed off your knife before you knife the next one.

Using your own hankie.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2013 03:24 PM (GFM2b)

289 As to her true intellect, for me she's down in the same pit as the rest of the crew who can't do calculus. Math is the only reliable filter for intellect. But I'd guess that the most recent Abel laureate (my advisor, BTW) might fail the "smart" test even in his native language because he doesn't wear the affectations of the intelligentsia. Or as I call them, the pretensia.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2013 03:20 PM (T0NGe)

Math ? Really ? GTFO

Posted by: The Jackhole at January 25, 2013 03:24 PM (nTgAI)

290 285
She was our last chance for a generation to have a hot President


Posted by: Jones in CO at January 25, 2013 03:23 PM (8sCoq)

Hillary 2016
UGNNNGHHGNNNNN

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at January 25, 2013 03:24 PM (xAtAj)

291 If it's president or nothing than for me it will be nothing.


Posted by: ace at January 25, 2013 03:22 PM (LCRYB)You've got nothing to worry about, ace.

Posted by: Meremortal, Watching It Burn at January 25, 2013 03:24 PM (1Y+hH)

292 I was alive and semi-coherant in 1980 and I can tell you conservatism and Reagan were not cool, even in North Dakota. People were sick of Carter, andReagan was not afraid to speak the truth, even if it hurt. He went for the throat, but with a smile. He didn't take a poll to figure out what people liked and then pandered. He lead, and people followed.

We don't do that anymore. We blame Bush, make fun of Palin, distance ourselves from Rush, and try and trick people into thinking we are just like the progs, but with better fiscal policy some how. This idea we can't win unless we hide who we are or make nice is stupid.

The JEF knew that his health plan was unpopular but he did it any way. He led. He is gonna do the same with gun control and immigration. Because our leadership is afraid of being seen as mean, so they will not lead. We will never get out point across if our leadership refuses to lead. Leadesrhip trumps cool

Posted by: thunderb at January 25, 2013 03:25 PM (Dnbau)

293 269 -

I have a brother who is probably close to a certifiable genius in the aerospace industry, but he's fairly clueless about lots of things. When I dared to say I thought Bill Clinton was a near genius he went ballistic (not literally, he wasn't on the job).

It's a different kind of genius, and some people cannot recognize more than one kind.

Palin is a bright lady. I'm sure. She's not a bright politician though, and I'd think even her most loyal supporters would have a hard time coming up with examples to show otherwise.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 25, 2013 03:25 PM (TOk1P)

294 Liberals don't do nuance at all. They obfuscate.

As someone nicely pointed out above, there is a difference between tact (sins of omission at worst) and lying (sins of commission). Dems lie. The media does both in service of their Dem masters.

Posted by: pep at January 25, 2013 03:25 PM (6TB1Z)

295 Using your own hankie.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2013 03:24 PM (GFM2b)


Using the spouses hair.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 03:25 PM (l86i3)

296 Before the new post I want to say that the American Electorate is a Stuttering Clusterfuck of Miserable Shitfail.

Posted by: eleven at January 25, 2013 03:25 PM (VhqUZ)

297 Countries around the world routinely elect female Presidents or Prime Ministers. We're one of the few countries that don't seem able to. I wonder why that is. I don't believe it's for a lack of talent or skill or experience.

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 25, 2013 03:25 PM (8sCoq)

298 Movie length post on classiness? Not classy.
Posted by: Jim Halpert



I suppose I forgot the word 'review' but 4 Pinnochios is a pretty hard ass WP judgement on conservative statements.

Not classy.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at January 25, 2013 03:25 PM (BrQrN)

299 "Palin is not a Saint and she is not a Goddess, no more than Obama is Christ."
===============
No, but I still think she'd have made a fine President.

-----

"I never have any reaction when someone says somethng nice about palin -- I ignore it. It's an internal eyeroll."
===============
That's how I feel nowadays when someone says she's dumb.

Posted by: Kensington at January 25, 2013 03:26 PM (H84UO)

300 258
Just because the First Lady scarfs down food, puts her elbows on the table and rolls her eyes at table guests doesn't mean that you're allowed to, Mr Wicket. Dinner-table tact is for us all. Oh, and try not to shed on the furniture or into the soup tureen.
Posted by: miss manners at January 25, 2013 03:18 PM (01R+Z)

And chew with your mouth closed if you're sitting next to Barry. Unless you like flies.

Posted by: wth at January 25, 2013 03:26 PM (wAQA5)

301 This is a case wherein what "misogyny" is suddenly gets defined very differently.

I think a lot of palin's fans want other people to fight her battles -- thus, the unending complaint that we didn't "support" her enough or "defend" her enough or "rally for Sarah" enough.

But apply this thinking to any male candidate: The minute someone says a male candidate just needs people to fight for him more, we understand the self-defeating nature of that statement. THat means the male candidate can't fight for himself, and has to be helped over every hurdle.

And yet people dont' seem to sense this when we're talking about a female cnadidate. I think they categorize this "helping" as a kind of chivalry or something.

But I dont' care what the gender is -- if someone needs this much help and this much support and this much rallying, they've got a problem, and are not fit to be president.

and chivarly is, in this context, certainly a double-standard as far as gender.


Posted by: ace at January 25, 2013 03:26 PM (LCRYB)

302 I recall a Seinfeld where everyone was talking around the fact that Jerry's latest girlfriend would have been hot except for her big nose. Kramer comes in and says it, point blank.

So is Kramer a conservative?

Posted by: MaxMBJ at January 25, 2013 03:26 PM (deaac)

303

I will say this for Palin, I've never seen a fly on her face.

Posted by: Meremortal, Watching It Burn at January 25, 2013 03:26 PM (1Y+hH)

304
283 Can't I like Palin because she is good looking and has a great backside?

the front is pretty damn nice too

Posted by: navycopjoe at January 25, 2013 03:26 PM (8nyQY)

305 At one time there was a standing order regarding Palin posts.

I miss that standing order.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 25, 2013 03:27 PM (xz0nG)

306 Tact: Wiping the blood of the last journalist you killed off your knife before you knife the next one.



Using your own hankie.


Hankies are for pussies. You wipe the blood off using your own tongue.

Separates the serious from the non-serious.

Posted by: EC at January 25, 2013 03:27 PM (GQ8sn)

307 285
She was our last chance for a generation to have a hot President


Disagree

Posted by: Chairman, Kate Upton for President in '16 at January 25, 2013 03:27 PM (6TB1Z)

308 Well a lot of the lefties are saying that Uncle Joey won't be the one to follow barack, it will be Michelle.

So, in that case, maybe you are going to want to give Sarah Palin another look.

Posted by: Caustic at January 25, 2013 03:27 PM (/b8+5)

309 Mitt shoulda picked Rubio (like I said).





Posted by: soothsayer at January 25, 2013 03:19 PM (vanqS)
Rubio/Portman would be great. Rubio has the charisma to lie right to people's faces which is what is needed

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 25, 2013 03:27 PM (FKQng)

310

Kahn??

Posted by: soothsayer at January 25, 2013 03:27 PM (39q3n)

311 >>>i believe his intention was to contrast the "dumb, uneducated" Rush who
got it right and the supposedly "brilliant, ivy-educated" brooks who got
it wrong. I think he's trying to illustrate what I'm talking about,
which is that truth, apparently, is irrelevant in these determinations
-- the media loves Brooks' falsehoods and despises Limbaugh's truths.


This was transparently obvious by the mocking adjectives he used to describe Brooks. "Winsome?" C'mon, using that to describe a 60 year old man is practically like calling him "Skippy" from Family Ties. I thought it was a delightfully subtle insult myself.

Posted by: Jeff B. at January 25, 2013 03:27 PM (OQZWo)

312 >>It's taken Rich Lowry four g**damn years to come to this conclusion?

Cripes, Republican pundits are stupid.

>>>Heh.
It's 'safe' now, to come to this conclusion.
He didn't have to go out on a limb, just agree with what had already been said.

What else did you expect from the head "chestless wonder" over at NR?

Posted by: Ron Penfound at January 25, 2013 03:27 PM (Q1DS+)

313 Countries around the world routinely elect female Presidents or Prime Ministers. We're one of the few countries that don't seem able to. I wonder why that is. I don't believe it's for a lack of talent or skill or experience.
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 25, 2013 03:25 PM (8sCoq)


Benazir Bhutto, smart and hitable. The Sarah Palin of the middle east. Of course they blew out her FKN brains didn't they?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 03:28 PM (l86i3)

314 301 Ace,

BY GOD you nailed it Ace!


Obama is really a woman and we are jealous his er her "champions" fight for her.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 03:28 PM (LRFds)

315 Ace (and Lowry) are burying the lede here. Liberals have decided it's safe now because Obama can't run again. Like Barry himself said, "in a second term I'll have more flexibility".

Watch this permission evaporate the second any of the attempts to repeal the amendment or otherwise game things so TFG can get a third term get any traction.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 25, 2013 03:28 PM (OevbG)

316 >Disagree


Posted by: Chairman, Kate Upton for President in '16 at January 25, 2013 03:27 PM (6TB1Z)

she won't be old enough

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 25, 2013 03:28 PM (8sCoq)

317 Did anyone watch "Iron Lady", the Margaret Thatcher movie?

No.

Posted by: $30 Million Domestic Gross at January 25, 2013 03:28 PM (QKKT0)

318
*walks out of thread to avoid the circular firing squad*

I shot myself with my own assault petard if that makes you feel any better.

Posted by: eleven at January 25, 2013 03:28 PM (VhqUZ)

319 If it's president or nothing than for me it will be nothing.


Posted by: ace at January 25, 2013 03:22 PM (LCRYB)


I lost much respect for Palin in 2011 when she refused to run. She made too much of a show, too much of a tease to back out. I think she fucked that up pretty badly.

If she wants to redeem herself in my eyes she must jump into the next race as soon as possible and with nipples a-blazing, ahem, and give the Democrats and RINOs hell.

Seriously, she fucked-up, but can make amends.

Posted by: eman at January 25, 2013 03:28 PM (jp2Ur)

320 Honestly, I don't want a President who is constant fodder for my bondage fantasies.

In that regard, Palin is way too much of a distraction.

Posted by: Marcus at January 25, 2013 03:29 PM (xPfg3)

321 I think he's trying to illustrate what I'm talking
about, which is that truth, apparently, is irrelevant in these
determinations -- the media loves Brooks' falsehoods and despises
Limbaugh's truths.

Posted by: ace at January 25, 2013 03:11 PM

It's tribal at its core. Brooks himself exposed this tribalism when he wrote approvingly of TFG's Ivy League pedigree; "I divide people into two kinds; people who talk like us and those who don't"

Truth, laws, and etiquette is determined by "those who talk like David Brooks" and changed constantly to insure the perpetuation of their power and privilege

Posted by: kbdabear at January 25, 2013 03:29 PM (wwsoB)

322 Palin is a bright lady. I'm sure. She's not a bright politician though

I'd sau the exact opposite. She's not especially impressive as a general intellect, but she's as close to a natural political genius as I've seen. And I'm not a Palin for president supporter.

Posted by: Chairman, Kate Upton for President in '16 at January 25, 2013 03:29 PM (6TB1Z)

323 Jeri Thompson for President .
She seemed pretty sharp .
The screen door in a hurricane thing goes without sayin' .

Posted by: awkward davies at January 25, 2013 03:29 PM (USjX1)

324
301 THat means the male candidate can't fight for himself, and has to be helped over every hurdle

like McCain and Romney? can you name another republican where all you heard was "i'll hold my nose and vote for him"?

Posted by: navycopjoe at January 25, 2013 03:29 PM (8nyQY)

325 arghhhh

Posted by: pe at January 25, 2013 03:29 PM (6TB1Z)

326 Hmmm maybe that Hitler dude wasn't a good idea.

Posted by: Rich Lowry, circa 1946 at January 25, 2013 03:29 PM (xAtAj)

327

Palin wasn't the 'only' conservative voice out there...
Rick Perry is just as much a 'true conservative' as Palin is, and has been doing it, instead of just talking about, a lot longer than Palin.

"I would like to see the Federal Government be as inconsequential in people's lives as possible." ~ Rick Perry
Who else said this?

I still don't understand why Palin didn't endorse Perry when he got in the race.
They were supposedly good friends.

I was a big fan of Palin, until the Primaries.
I don't think her long period of indecision did herself...or us...any favors.

Posted by: wheatie at January 25, 2013 03:29 PM (fH4X9)

328 >Benazir Bhutto, smart and hitable. The Sarah Palin of the middle east. Of course they blew out her FKN brains didn't they?



I thought they esploded her up?

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 25, 2013 03:29 PM (8sCoq)

329
AmishDude @ 269

You make the mistake (heh) of judging reality by some objective measure, like "truth". This is where "tact" comes in, or the ability to polish shit to make it look good.

George Will had this comment or saying he frequentlyused in the Clinton years to describe the Administration mindset, calling it our "holiday from history", in that it seemed everything was going to turn to gold and the future was so bright, we had to wear shades.

George can be right sometimes, but it often takes years for the objective truth of a matter to become so abundantly and painfully clear that even the professional shit polishers have to acknowledge it.

Someday, the flaws and screw-ups of Obama may become so painfully clear that even the neo-Marxist shit shiners in the Media might acknowledge it (really? no.) but that is almost irrelevant to those of us who have to live in the here and now, and live with the consequences of electing this POS Leftist neo-Marxist from Chicago.

And yes, in the real world (which may just show up in America very soon) being "right" counts for a whole lot more than being clever, tactful or just plain good at polishing shit.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at January 25, 2013 03:30 PM (RFeQD)

330 Brooks and those bootlickers like him are not held in high regard by any real Conservatives.

The problem is that the MFM employ him and other phonies that I mentioned upthread as slow moving, almost sympathetic targets of opportunity for their panel charades, to convince the low infos that they are at once balanced and and superior in their leftist dogma, while they are in fact, neither.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 25, 2013 03:30 PM (aZ6ew)

331 I always thought Skippy was kinda cute.

Of course, I was 11.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs an intervention at January 25, 2013 03:30 PM (ZKzrr)

332 The most important words of Obama's first term were, "I won." The most important of his second -- which he whispered to Michelle -- were, "I did it."

Winning is everything. All our arguing really means nothing, especially to libs. The truth means nothing since to them there is no objective truth. Winning, though, means something. That's why they went suicidal when Bush won both times.

We simply must win in 2016. That is the only thing that matters.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at January 25, 2013 03:30 PM (deaac)

333 Damn me and my "staircase" wit! Had the perfect "tact" analogy but it's so far downthread it just sounds stupid now.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2013 03:30 PM (GFM2b)

334 24,000 emails, has anyone been more scrutinized as a public figure, Romney interestingly had his servers from the time of his Governorship wiped. Ryan couldn't even carry his own state, three month after the Walker recall, yet he is profferred as a future candidate,

Posted by: cardinal fang at January 25, 2013 03:30 PM (Jsiw/)

335
"Palin is a bright lady. I'm sure. She's not a bright politician..."

She goes from housewife to Governor in a reasonably short period, without the backing of the powers in her own party.

Must have been luck.

Posted by: jwest at January 25, 2013 03:31 PM (ZDsRL)

336 She was our last chance for a generation to have a hot President


*cough*

Posted by: Sir Hillary Edmund Rodham Clinton at January 25, 2013 03:31 PM (QKKT0)

337
like McCain and Romney? can you name another republican where all you heard was "i'll hold my nose and vote for him"?

Posted by: navycopjoe at January 25, 2013 03:29 PM (8nyQY)

Hate on Romney all you want, it was about 10x easier to pull the arm for him.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at January 25, 2013 03:31 PM (xAtAj)

338 "I would like to see the Federal Government be as inconsequential in people's lives as possible." ~ Rick Perry

That was such a great speech. It's too bad about the follow through. Anyone care to assess his chances of rehabbing himself?

Posted by: Ian S. at January 25, 2013 03:31 PM (OevbG)

339 (/b8+5) = 'Curious' got a new nic and hash.

Posted by: Math is Hard at January 25, 2013 03:31 PM (feFL6)

340 I will settle for Republicans with actual balls.

Like Reagan

and Palin.

Paul Ryan has balls...but they havent fully dropped yet.

Mitt had balls (during the first debate...then during the second debate when he was about to show us balls again, candy crawley bit them off...proving that fat ball eater > Mitts balls. If Mitt had performed full on in debate 2 and three to beat obamas ass....oh well i guess the spawn of fucking satan is just never going to be fully challanged)

Hillary Clinton has balls...did you see her at the hearing? What
fucking difference does it make bitch? We Won! Too bad she isnt a
republican...she has more balls than that entire panel had.

Feel free to list any other republicans you can think of who have balls.

Still waiting....


Better have proof though...like Anthony Weiner style proof....and no having obamas balls in your mouth doesnt count as legitimate posession of balls...sorry frum brooks noonan bohner jindal crispycremechristie et al.

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 25, 2013 03:31 PM (+OTLF)

341
Her side side is also nice.

She's got nice facets.

Posted by: eleven at January 25, 2013 03:31 PM (VhqUZ)

342 I thought they esploded her up?
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 25, 2013 03:29 PM (8sCoq)


Watch the video, shot her, then blew her up. The muzztard Pakis know how to handle the pols they don't like

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 03:31 PM (l86i3)

343 I remember in 2004 seeing some piece on the news about Barack Obama. I knew right then and there what he was and what he represents. Sad to say, all I needed to hear was the name, the party, and Chicago. Lo and behold, four years later, he's the f'in President.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at January 25, 2013 03:31 PM (vg8iE)

344 http://tinyurl.com/b3pdk5u
GREAT HAWK STUFF HERE^

C'mon Ace...

Posted by: Marcus at January 25, 2013 03:32 PM (xPfg3)

345 "...she's as close to a natural political genius as I've seen."

Posted by: Chairman, Kate Upton for President in '16 at January 25, 2013 03:29 PM (6TB1Z)

About 99% of the evidence to the contrary....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 25, 2013 03:32 PM (GsoHv)

346 and the future was so bright, we had to wear shades.

Fifty thou a year will buy a lot of beer won't get you shit. But at least someone else is paying for your abortions.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs an intervention at January 25, 2013 03:32 PM (ZKzrr)

347 OT, but since I'm not interested in getting tangled in the Palin Wars, I'll forge ahead anyway.

RE: the sidebar item about Obamacare fucking up medical records? Yeah, anyone who's ever A) worked in government; B) worked with large databases; and/or C) worked in the healthcare industry could have seen that coming a thousand miles away.

I used to work for the NH DHHS, which meant I got to work with all three at the same time: gubmint, databases and healthcare info.It's hell. It was too expensive to upgrade the data system because of how much detail and security would need to be put in place, so when I left in 2009 they were still working in DOS style screens with black backgrounds and green or orange text. Heck,how many doctors out there are still using paper files because it's too expensive or time-consuming to transition to electronic? Without having access to a hard number, I'll take a wild guess and say A LOT.

And this is just NH -- we've got fewer people in our whole state than live in Houston, TX alone. The number of records we'd have to work with are MINISCULE compared to most other states. And Obamacare's cheerleaders think they're going to be able to get the entire fucking COUNTRY online and zipping along in no time flat?

If you ever doubted their stupidity (why would you?) then let this be the proof you're looking for. They really ARE this dumb.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 25, 2013 03:32 PM (4df7R)

348 I've known great leaders that were not intellectuals, but they surrounded themselves with smart folks. They did all have vision though. And they had the ability to excite/motivate people. That's what a leader does.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at January 25, 2013 03:32 PM (dgqjL)

349 Many people had Obama figured out, in 2007. But the reason they were so vehemently attacked and shut up when they said anything was that the Democrat/media complex determined at a very early stage (well before the economy started to tank) that Democrats had to have a Black nominee to win in 2008. They didn't think Hillary could win. They worride after 2004 that Republicans had found a way to get just enough black and latino votes to keep winning. Their only hope was a massive turnout of blacks and Latinos in tribal support of a black candidate. There were definitely powers within the Democratic Party (I think led by Howard Dean) who talked Obama into running (he wanted to be President but wanted to wait until 2012), rounded up a bunch of rich liberals to fund him, and then ruthlessly controlled his image to get him elected. It had nothing to do with "tact" being enforced by the media or anyone else. It was pure message discipline in service of the higher goal - to get the White House back, by any means necessary.

The Vichy Republicans who supported Obama in 2008 willfully ignored everything in his ideological background, in favor of some sort of magical thiking that because he seemed to be temperamentally moderate he would also be idologically moderate. A lot of them also were horrified at Sarah Palin and terrified that if she were elected VP she would then be President someday and she was too big of a dumb so-con hick for them to allow that. (Not MY view of her, please, but I think an accurate description of elitist republican views of her).

In short, they were elitists above all, and supported the elitist canddiate, Barack Obama. The only reason some are recoiling now is because Obama has laid bare not his leftwing policy agenda, but his community-organizingthuggishness and crassness that belies the smooth ceased-pants image they bought in 2008.

Posted by: rockmom at January 25, 2013 03:32 PM (qE3AR)

350 321 KBDaBear,

yeah but the narcissism is so powerful we could run a fucking city off of it....

Brooks is convinced that what the IVYs "have" is so awesome it is of course the only loyalty that matters, but Bush was an Ivy too and the tribe hated him. Obama is granted license because he thrusts that fucking chin out and looks down at us by looking up. Brooks will never grasp that barack wants to obliterate the old order that Brooks takes such pride in and replace it with a Heliocentric one with Ogabe as "the sun."

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 03:32 PM (LRFds)

351 Honestly, I don't want a President who is constant fodder for my bondage fantasies.

Word. No one ever dreamed of poking Dick Nixon.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 25, 2013 03:32 PM (evdj2)

352 When I dared to say I thought Bill Clinton was a near genius he went ballistic (not literally, he wasn't on the job).

It's a different kind of genius, and some people cannot recognize more than one kind.


Your brother should have gone ballistic. There isn't "a different kind of genius." There is one kind. One. It's the kind that proves theorems.

It can be used for other tasks, but intellect is the ability to assess a complex situation, understand it and draw conclusions from it that can be used in other situations.

Flappin' your gums in your native language is no measure of intellect.

What you're looking for is a form of thinking called "bullshit" or, possibly, "dishonesty".

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2013 03:32 PM (T0NGe)

353 Feinstein Gun Control Bill Would Exempt Government Officials...

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 25, 2013 03:32 PM (8sCoq)

354 So is Kramer a conservative?

Posted by: MaxMBJ at January 25, 2013 03:26 PM (deaac)


No, Kramer's a lazy bum.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 25, 2013 03:33 PM (R4Bz0)

355 Math ? Really ? GTFO

The real world is a special case.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2013 03:33 PM (T0NGe)

356 260

take a Xanax.

Posted by: JDP at January 25, 2013 03:33 PM (60GaT)

357 Hankies are for pussies. You wipe the blood off using your own tongue.

Separates the serious from the non-serious.


Posted by: EC at January 25, 2013 03:27 PM (GQ8sn)

I think not. The chances your average journalist is HIV positive? Pretty damn good. Why wipe, just cut.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 25, 2013 03:33 PM (wR+pz)

358 She was our last chance for a generation to have a hot President


*cough*
Posted by: Sir Hillary Edmund Rodham Clinton


He said "hot". Not "the one we'd most like to see on fire".

Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2013 03:33 PM (GFM2b)

359 Seriously people are butthurt because Palin was criticized on this site? The cognifive dissonance force is not only strong on the Left.

Posted by: polynikes at January 25, 2013 03:34 PM (m2CN7)

360
337 oh, i'm not hating on moneybags at all
he wasn't my first or second choice but hey, you dance with the one you brought

you guys picked him, I did my best to try to get him in

Posted by: navycopjoe at January 25, 2013 03:34 PM (8nyQY)

361 They didn't just stand around and let her get creamed, they joined in.

Posted by: SurferDoc at January 25, 2013 03:34 PM (6H6FZ)

362 Ryan couldn't even carry his own state, three month after the Walker recall, yet he is profferred as a future candidate

Yeah, you sure wouldn't want to nominate a guy to head your party after that.

Posted by: Winston Churchill at January 25, 2013 03:34 PM (6TB1Z)

363 324 navycopajoe,

Like barack Obama....

you ever get bored and need brain filler to stay awake bud you are welcome to explain to me all night how your mutually competing suicide coalition can vote for a guy guaranteed to do them harm....

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 03:34 PM (LRFds)

364 Anyone care to assess his chances of rehabbing himself?

If he really decides to do it? Pretty good. But it would have to happen much, much earlier. Look to see if a) he resigns at the end of his current term (2014) and then b) does *not* take up a teaching position at TAMU. If both of those happen, he'll probably run again.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 03:34 PM (8y9MW)

365 Ryan couldn't even carry his own state, three month after the Walker recall, yet he is profferred as a future candidate,


Posted by: cardinal fang at January 25, 2013 03:30 PM (Jsiw/)

Ryan would be terrible. House reps cant win and are not guaranteed their state.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 25, 2013 03:34 PM (FKQng)

366 There is one kind. One. It's the kind that proves theorems.

I'm not inviting you to Mozart's Birthday party this weekend.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs an intervention at January 25, 2013 03:35 PM (ZKzrr)

367 Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2013 03:32 PM (T0NGe)

Your bias is showing...badly.

Michaelangelo was a genius. Mozart was a genius.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 25, 2013 03:35 PM (GsoHv)

368 361 SurferDoc,

nah in Noonan's case they were firing harder than the media...

I'll never forgive the self-annoited "intellects" on the right and that includes George Will who I've enjoyed since age 4.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 03:35 PM (LRFds)

369 Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs an intervention at January 25, 2013 03:35 PM (ZKzrr)

Trumped again....and by a chick!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 25, 2013 03:36 PM (GsoHv)

370 Posted by: rockmom at January 25, 2013 03:32 PM (qE3AR)


Bang spot on; I wouldn't change a thing except sprinkle in some profanity.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 25, 2013 03:36 PM (R4Bz0)

371 You wipe your dagger on the victim's clothing

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 25, 2013 03:36 PM (8sCoq)

372 WHY CAN'T YOU WANT HIM TO BE RIGHT SOMETIMES?"

Uh....hello?

I was not here during Bush but what the high fuck and what do you say in response to that?


Ask how his pony is doing. You know, the one he wanted and wished for when he was a little boy.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 25, 2013 03:36 PM (SY2Kh)

373 >>>You're fat like a moose!

Whoa! Ok so I could loose a few pounds.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 25, 2013 03:36 PM (0q2P7)

374
"Rich Lowry: Rush Limbaugh Was Right About Obama"

Rich is a faggot who molests little boys while he is not pretending to be a conservative writer. He is cheerleader for GOP squishes who do not understand that the times have changed and they are no longer considered "conservative" in the American republic. John McCain didn't know it either... thats why he lost against some upstart from Texas in 2000. Didn't stop him from dipping his wick in 2008 though. The GOP has no such thing as a "clue bat" despite having a sound ideology, but no representation.

Posted by: John Derbyshire at January 25, 2013 03:36 PM (f+TdG)

375
anywho, anyone here who is smart enough to be in Honolulu...
get your ass over to Honolulu Firearms by 11 and i'll buy your first box of ammo

trying the sig 250 again, may drop the cash for it

Posted by: navycopjoe at January 25, 2013 03:37 PM (8nyQY)

376 Do you think she has any flaws?Incidentally sometimes I wonder about this: I think a lot of the Palinistas want something to make her whole, that is, to make up for the bad treatment she got.I'm not against that idea but what I find to be a dealbreaker is the idea "the only thing we as a nation (or as a party) can do to compensate her for her poor treatment (including by the party) is to nominate her as our party's selection for President."It's at that point I say: No. It will have to be something short of that.People like me -- who actually don't *hate* Palin, but we're not supporting her for Presdient, either -- have all sorts of ideas of where Palin could serve. Senator? We're all on board.But she doesn't want the job. And yet this seems to be held against *us*, as if we're the ones who are refusing.If it's president or nothing than for me it will be nothing.
Posted by: ace at January 25, 2013 03:22 PM (LCRYB)


------------------------------------------------


Of course she had flaws. One of the bigger ones is that she trusted the MFM to give her a straightforward interview. She most certainly should have known better. And that brings up the flaw of naivete. But I can't beat her up too much about it because most of our RNC candidates have been just that.

As far as the idea of just giving her the nomination, that would bethe fault of the electorate. If she wants to run, great. But I want her to go through the same grueling process everyone else has to go through.

If it were a vote between Palin or Perry, well....Perry would get mine without a second thought. But that doesn't mean that I don't share Palin's views.

And I agree with commentors upthread too, that she doesn't seem interested in the job anymore. I want someone who wants it.

Posted by: Soona at January 25, 2013 03:37 PM (/ZV9/)

377 322 -

Where's the evidence? I'm not talking about her political thinking, I'm talking about her actions. She muffed the Veep position (yeah, Katie set her up), let her enemies get the best of her as Gov, and totally blew it when her chance to run for Prez came up.

One failure after another. Doesn't mean she isn't right about most things, but she has no history of succeeding at getting those things done.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 25, 2013 03:37 PM (TOk1P)

378 But I dont' care what the gender is -- if someone needs this much help and this much support and this much rallying, they've got a problem, and are not fit to be president.

ace, I think you make the mistake of assuming that Palin supporters/defenders want her to be nominated.

I was at the Iowa straw poll. There was no groundswell for her. None at all and if it would be anywhere, it would be there.

The view of most remaining Palin defenders is that she was destroyed beyond the bounds of partisan politics and deserves less vitriol. Her political skills on the national stage are wanting. She certainly hasn't developed the affectations and pretensions that, say, a Biden has.

But I judge her as a commentator now and I really don't think a FNC contributor deserves this much grief.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2013 03:38 PM (T0NGe)

379 I'll never forgive the self-annoited "intellects" on the right and that includes George Will who I've enjoyed since age 4.


Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 03:35 PM (LRFds)

I have a list and a long memory.

Posted by: SurferDoc at January 25, 2013 03:38 PM (6H6FZ)

380 It can be used for other tasks, but intellect is the ability to assess a
complex situation, understand it and draw conclusions from it that can
be used in other situations.


Okay, so how do you explain the math prodigy who can solve problems but can't navigate the social scene (Unabomber) or find his way home?

Posted by: pep at January 25, 2013 03:38 PM (6TB1Z)

381 >>>WHY CAN'T YOU WANT HIM TO BE RIGHT SOMETIMES?"

>>>Uh....hello?

>>>I was not here during Bush but what the high fuck and what do you say in response to that?

I want him to be right all the time. That would mean he by and large agreed with me on almost every topic.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 25, 2013 03:38 PM (0q2P7)

382 One of the bigger ones is that she trusted the MFM to give her a straightforward interview.

She learned quickly about the press.

Who could forget the "Hi mom!" written on her palm that she deliberately let get photographed?

Posted by: EC at January 25, 2013 03:39 PM (GQ8sn)

383 >>>Your brother should have gone ballistic. There isn't "a different kind
of genius." There is one kind. One. It's the kind that proves
theorems.



>>>It can be used for other tasks, but intellect is the ability to
assess a complex situation, understand it and draw conclusions from it
that can be used in other situations.



>>>Flappin' your gums in your native language is no measure of intellect.


Of course it is. To deny this is to deny that Shakespeare was a genius, or that the guy who wrote Moby Dick or Gravity's Rainbow or Infinite Jest might have some intellectual capacity. It's retarded, sheer bigotry of math geeks versus the rest of the world.

I know this attitude well for the thoughtless (and, ironically enough, theoretically unrigorous) prejudice it is, because my father is a double-Ph.D in mathematics and Physics. I heard it from him countless times growing up, before he softened up. AmishDude, math skill is indeed indicative of a certain (extremely limited) form of intelligence. But it is neither the only form intelligence takes, nor the most valuable and useful. I'm sorry, but no matter how forcefully and/or vulgarly you assert otherwise, it won't suddenly become true.

Posted by: Jeff B. at January 25, 2013 03:39 PM (OQZWo)

384 heresa thought. Palin aint our problem.

Posted by: thunderb at January 25, 2013 03:39 PM (Dnbau)

385
363 easy
people voted for the JEF because of FREE SHIT

off I go, gotta blow holes in paper

Posted by: navycopjoe at January 25, 2013 03:39 PM (8nyQY)

386 I'd hit Peggy Noonan when she was on one of her benders.

I've always found a quasi-intellectual, manic depressive lush to be quite scintillating.

Posted by: Marcus at January 25, 2013 03:39 PM (xPfg3)

387 Gallant says "May I add something about Barack Obama's awesomeness" at the dinner table discussion.


Goofus says "this Obama fellow isn't quite the person you believe him to be".

Posted by: Highlights for Children, Nov 2008 at January 25, 2013 03:39 PM (Zd/NW)

388 And in addition, i've met intellectual's who couldn't lead a fuck up...

Posted by: CSMBigBird at January 25, 2013 03:40 PM (dgqjL)

389 Ace nicely encapsulates the appeal of Festivus

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at January 25, 2013 03:40 PM (epxV4)

390 Hot President? I have 3 words for ya. Nikki Haley.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 25, 2013 03:40 PM (jucos)

391 372 Hollowpoint,

It must be the INTJ in me, I analyze failed system dynamics.

Yeah basically I politely explained to him about the fable of the unicorn king...

"imaginarium and hopium" they act like if we just throw enough money at solyndra it'll work, well "no" there are very economically valid reasons why it can't work LiVs....

and Barry WANTING doesn't alter gravity.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 03:40 PM (LRFds)

392 @181:Look (and i ask this as a general question cause you republicans are fucking retards when it comes to circular firing squad behavior), do you really think Palin is any less qualified or competant than obama was in 2008 or even is now to run this country?Why is it acceptable for the Liberals to protect their won even when their own is the incompetent spawn of satan, yet you pussy ass (not you ace but republicans in general) republicans dont even have the balls to circle the wagons in unity and defend your own women.Do you hear any liberal anywhere point out Obama's mistakes gaffes or misstatements?HELL NO! They present a unified front and dont let any of the truth get out.Yet you bitches, will eat your own and blame game and backstab every damn time.The Liberals didnt destroy Palin, the republicans let it happen.YOu think if Liberals supported that dipshit obama the way republicans conservatives, rhinos and assholes included, supported palin (cough laugh irony) that he woudl have ever made it out of the primaries against clinton?What a fucking fairy tale.
Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 25, 2013 03:06 PM (+OTLF)

This!

I remember lots of guys I knew in 2008 who were totally anti-Obama (and still are, even more so), but they casually made fun of Palin for "being dumb", even repeating the Tina Fey jokes as if they were fact (and getting pissed at me when I pointed that out). All of this feeds the greater cultural picture that works against the GOP (cf. Reagan, Quayle, Bush, etc...). I mean, maybe you think she's intellectually unqualified, but do you have to use precisely the language that feeds the Leftist media stereotypes? That's why it touches a nerve...

Posted by: Brat Timberlane at January 25, 2013 03:41 PM (Y5I9o)

393
338 "I would like to see the Federal Government be as inconsequential in people's lives as possible." ~ Rick Perry


That was such a great speech. It's too bad about the follow through. Anyone care to assess his chances of rehabbing himself?

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It wasn't just in one speech.
He's been saying that for years...and even further elaborated it in his book, 'Fed Up'.

And yeah, I think he can rehabilitate his image.
But he needs to start now.
Whether or not he runs for Governor again, or not...he needs to start now.

I caught part of his appearance on CNBC last month...where he was on for nearly an hour.
He did great, btw.

Posted by: wheatie at January 25, 2013 03:41 PM (fH4X9)

394 Democrats had to have a Black nominee to win in 2008. They didn't think Hillary could win. They worride after 2004 that Republicans had found a way to get just enough black and latino votes to keep winning. Their only hope was a massive turnout of blacks and Latinos in tribal support of a black candidate.
Posted by: rockmom at January 25, 2013 03:32 PM (qE3AR)
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And in the future as well, unless they lock up the hispanic vote.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 25, 2013 03:41 PM (xtvQl)

395 352 -

Nonsense. I'm sure I'm smarter than you, but I don't do math. Not because I can't, but because I choose not to.

Your limits seem to be your inability to see the difference.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 25, 2013 03:41 PM (TOk1P)

396 crap!

Posted by: Brat Timberlane at January 25, 2013 03:41 PM (Y5I9o)

397 and sock off!

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at January 25, 2013 03:41 PM (Y5I9o)

398 Anyone care to assess his chances of rehabbing himself?

If he really decides to do it? Pretty good. But it would have to happen much, much earlier.


I hate to tell you this, but he's toast. He's Dan Quayle and Sarah Palin rolled into one, and unlike them, he did it to himself.

Posted by: pep at January 25, 2013 03:41 PM (6TB1Z)

399 She muffed the Veep position (yeah, Katie set her up), let her enemies
get the best of her as Gov, and totally blew it when her chance to run
for Prez came up.>>

Do you think Joey Choo Choo or Chom boy could have done a better job against a opposing MFM?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 25, 2013 03:41 PM (81UWZ)

400 In the barrel.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at January 25, 2013 03:41 PM (dgqjL)

401 And I agree with commentors upthread too, that she doesn't seem interested in the job anymore. I want someone who wants it.

Who would want it? I mean, really want it?
Hell, unless I could waterboard dems unendingly, you couldn't give it to me.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2013 03:41 PM (GFM2b)

402 More Limbaugh and Bush lies about our black presdent. We hate Bush because Bush is a lying sack of dog poop. We support present obama and his plan to fix America........

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, Vt and Proud of it !!!!!!!!!! at January 25, 2013 03:42 PM (48wze)

403 Gallant says "President Obama may not be as conservative as I thought, but thank goodness we don't have Sarah Palin as VP"


Goofus says "this Obama fellow is still full of shit, and Gallant you have some of his shit on your chin, dickbag".

Posted by: Highlights for Children, Jan 2013 at January 25, 2013 03:42 PM (Zd/NW)

404 Rubio has the charisma to lie right to people's faces which is what is needed

Here is the point where I observe that Rubio did indeed go to law school.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2013 03:42 PM (T0NGe)

405 381 Mike the Moose,

heh pretty much, it's just pathetic they actually think "oh well yeah he probably was not ready but WE WERE!"

well no, if you reverse engineered his political past you grasped quick he has NO IDEAS but a LOT of "beliefs"

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 03:42 PM (LRFds)

406 I think not. The chances your average journalist is HIV positive? Pretty damn good. Why wipe, just cut.


I disagree. For the shock effect, you do it in front of another journalist you let live to:

1. prove the point just how f'n real you are.

2. show their bodies are nothing more than meat puppets to you, to be trifled with as you please, then discarded like an empty juice box.

Posted by: EC at January 25, 2013 03:42 PM (GQ8sn)

407 CMSgt BigBird, I'm with you. Our leadership does not lead.

Posted by: thunderb at January 25, 2013 03:42 PM (Dnbau)

408 sorry about that missed close italics on 393

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at January 25, 2013 03:42 PM (Y5I9o)

409 Ace's whole point is about tact and truth, not regurgitating Sarah Palin's political points. PERSEVERE, PUNDITS!!!!

William F. Buckley could "hoist one on his own petard" by using his extensive vocabulary (without the use of obscene words or gestures, I might add) and logic (Socratic approach). So, it can be done.

Unfortunately, we left our literature-based vocabulary back in the 50s and 60s. Isn't there someone out there who can do the same again? Of course, it might take using a dictionary more often.

Posted by: justbecause at January 25, 2013 03:42 PM (scLNg)

410 I want someone who wants it.

Are there any Republicans who meet that standard, though?

This is a serious question. We know that any Democrat who runs wants to be President. They want the power and prestige. They want the personal helicopter and airplane. They want State dinners and to be able to hob-knob with their personal heroes at a moment's notice.

I can't think of a Republican since HW who actually wanted to be President.

Wanted the duties? Yes.
Wanted to lead? Yes.
Wanted the Power? Yes, but not to the same extent.

I seriously think if you had told GW that he could be President, but he couldn't have Airforce 1, Marine 1, etc., that he had to pay for his own dinners, had to pay rent on the White House, and so forth, he would have said "Sold," in a heart beat.

Contrariwise, I believe that TFG, or Hillary, or Clinton would say, "Oh, well, never mind then."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 03:42 PM (8y9MW)

411 Posted by: Brat Timberlane at January 25, 2013 03:41 PM (Y5I9o)


Barrel. Now.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 03:43 PM (8y9MW)

412 99--- "So how smart are we here in Rightland gonna be when Jarret runs Mooch in 2016 and continues her shadow Presidency?"
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 25, 2013 02:53 PM (kXoT0)

I don't think Mooch has the slightest desire to be preezy. I think she can't wait to get her paws on all the big money they can make after leaving the White House.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 25, 2013 03:43 PM (C8mVl)

413 386 Marcus,

I'd have hit it when I was 14....

of course I'd have hit the wind back then too.....so

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 03:43 PM (LRFds)

414 One of the headlines over at Drudge. Gee, this sounds familiar:

Britons, Westerners told to leave Benghazi after 'imminent' terror threat...

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 25, 2013 03:44 PM (4df7R)

415 I predict the Dems will never nominate a white guy again

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 25, 2013 03:44 PM (8sCoq)

416 I hate to tell you this, but he's toast. He's Dan Quayle and Sarah Palin rolled into one, and unlike them, he did it to himself.


Posted by: pep at January 25, 2013 03:41 PM (6TB1Z)

Uhhhh have any evidence? Palin(rightfully or wrongfully) is a laughingstock to the public. Most people have already forgotten *who Perry is*.Assuming his reason for poor performance isn't a cover story, he'll be able to reintroduce himself cogently.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at January 25, 2013 03:44 PM (xAtAj)

417 Posted by: Highlights for Children, Nov 2008

Nice, very nice.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs an intervention at January 25, 2013 03:44 PM (ZKzrr)

418 When I was at CPAC, four years ago, the only person who still dwelled on that stupid 'what do you read' comment was Deroy Murdock, when she was there three years later, they had overflow crowds. I voted for Newt in the Florida primary, despite some dissappointments, because of the unethical jackalopery of Fehrnstrom and company, painting him as some kind of Sandinistas and repeating Brokaw's false ethics report, as a Moebius strip,

When it came to thee convention, however, Obama was treated with kid gloves, with the possible exception of Clint Eastwood, And how did the DNC reward such tact, painting him as a tax dodging, illness causing Mormon plutocrat,

Posted by: cardinal fang at January 25, 2013 03:44 PM (Jsiw/)

419
Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, Vt and Proud of it !!!!!!!!!! at January 25, 2013 03:42 PM (48wze)


Here, have a flyswatter...

Posted by: Meremortal, Watching It Burn at January 25, 2013 03:44 PM (1Y+hH)

420 Shorter version: Ignore what people say and pay attention to what they do.
Even shorter version: FUCKIN DUH!!!!!!!

Posted by: Warden at January 25, 2013 03:44 PM (HzhBE)

421 Nobody who voted for him was fooled. They're just itching to get the bottom bunk in the FEMA camp.

Posted by: torabora at January 25, 2013 03:45 PM (VJeJd)

422
Amishdude,
Can you mathematically prove your assertion that mathematical ability is the only legitimate measure of intellect?

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 25, 2013 03:46 PM (4vofC)

423 nude threAD

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 25, 2013 03:46 PM (8sCoq)

424 Where is the middle ground? Where is the compromise. We MUST compromise, we MUST FIND the middle ground for only in the middle is there truth!

Where is the middle ground between polite tact, and the hordes of malignant trolls?
Where is our precious diversity, tolerance, and acceptance?

Can't we all just get along, for five minutes? Please!

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at January 25, 2013 03:46 PM (5UVeo)

425 349...

Nailed it.

Posted by: WVinMN at January 25, 2013 03:46 PM (4Pleu)

426 414 MWR,

damndest thing wonder why the media didn't hype Stevens saying that?

Could it be it would have hurt Obama's standing?

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 03:46 PM (LRFds)

427 411 Posted by: Brat Timberlane at January 25, 2013 03:41 PM (Y5I9o)


Barrel. Now.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 03:43 PM (8y9MW)
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Hey, at least I fixed it myself...and pretty quickly.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at January 25, 2013 03:46 PM (Y5I9o)

428
Rainman was a genius, he could have been president in the real world.
I've seen plenty of retarded mathmeticians.

Posted by: The Jackhole at January 25, 2013 03:47 PM (nTgAI)

429 Your bias is showing...badly.

Michaelangelo was a genius. Mozart was a genius.


Art is about talent, not genius. The term is misused in this case. Do you think Mozart could explain his work?

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2013 03:47 PM (T0NGe)

430 Here is the point where I observe that Rubio did indeed go to law school.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2013 03:42 PM (T0NGe)

LOL

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 03:47 PM (l86i3)

431 Uhhhh have any evidence? Palin(rightfully or wrongfully) is a
laughingstock to the public. Most people have already forgotten *who
Perry is*.


Evidence as in an experimental result? Of course not, this is a matter of opinion. But it is death for a political career when the mention of someone's name brings either derision or contempt. IMO, that's where Perry now finds himself. Furthermore, I don't think people have forgotten him at all, and even if they had, the press will be more than happy to remind them.


Posted by: pep at January 25, 2013 03:47 PM (6TB1Z)

432 I seriously think if you had told GW that he could be President, but he
couldn't have Airforce 1, Marine 1, etc., that he had to pay for his own
dinners, had to pay rent on the White House, and so forth, he would
have said "Sold," in a heart beat.


Assuming you meant GW both places (you said "since HW" earlier in the comment) I totally agree. Without the perks Moochelle would've gone ahead and divorced his ass during the '08 election like she was threatening. Similarly McCain wanted the nomination as a middle finger to the Bushes, and I'm not sure anymore what Romney was trying to do.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 25, 2013 03:47 PM (OevbG)

433 ><Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 03:43 PM (LRFds)<

She has a certain Fatal Attraction je ne sais quoi.

As in you would wake up in the morning and she would be making rabbit sausage.

Posted by: Marcus at January 25, 2013 03:47 PM (xPfg3)

434 Who would want it? I mean, really want it? Hell, unless I could waterboard dems unendingly, you couldn't give it to me.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2013 03:41 PM (GFM2b)


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Hehehehehehe.

Posted by: Rick Perry at January 25, 2013 03:48 PM (/ZV9/)

435 I predict the Dems will never nominate a white guy again

Well, if you look at major American cities you'll note that after electing the first black mayor... wait a minute... wait another minute...hold on... wait...I'll find something... give me a couple more minutes...

Posted by: Math is Hard at January 25, 2013 03:48 PM (feFL6)

436 Unintended benefit of a Palin War on a thread;

It distracts Ace from the next movie review he's drafted


Posted by: kbdabear at January 25, 2013 03:48 PM (wwsoB)

437 my 'approach' was to answer a question with a question


most three-year olds figure that out, soon enough

Posted by: Socrates at January 25, 2013 03:48 PM (Dll6b)

438 >>>But I judge her as a commentator now and I really don't think a FNC contributor deserves this much grief.

I didn't give her grief, initially. The one mention of her in the post was positive-- completely positive.

What I am reacting to is the reaction to that, the grumbling, which never stops, that "you've said bad things about St. Sarah before, repent."

I'm tired of being told I can only say Supportive Things about, as you say, an FNC contributor.


Posted by: ace at January 25, 2013 03:48 PM (LCRYB)

439 433 marcus,

I'd have had to check my crotch to make sure it was wabbit....

but "yeah" I never could get twitterpated over Coulter and I havd this nightmare about walking in on Susan Estrich using a urinal and raping me.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 03:49 PM (LRFds)

440 Honestly, I don't want a President who is constant fodder for my bondage fantasies.
Funny. That's never bothered me.

Posted by: chrissie matthews at January 25, 2013 03:49 PM (01R+Z)

441 the Dems will never nominate a White dude again


I welcome the New Gynocracy, followed by the Hispanic Hysteria

Posted by: stuff scraped off yer shoe at January 25, 2013 03:49 PM (Dll6b)

442 Okay, so how do you explain the math prodigy who can solve problems but can't navigate the social scene (Unabomber) or find his way home?

It's not that he can't, it's that he isn't focused on doing so.

Besides, "navigating the social scene" is not a unique skill, it is common and it doesn't involve understanding a natural or intellectual phenomenon. The intricacies of human interaction are too complex to be known or understood, so they are intuited. This is not genius.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2013 03:50 PM (T0NGe)

443 59
I was right before Rush. Before any of these people. I studied Obama in
2007 and knew all about the Franklin Marshall Davis, the New Party,
ACORN, Bill Ayers, Annenberg Challenge, Born Alive Infant Protection
Act, Occidental, Joyce Foundation, etc.....Posted by: rrpjr at January 25, 2013 02:46 PM (pnjFD)

I too. But where tact comes in is one just can't blurt out the truth about the new king without being labeled a kook and instantly dismissed. The best argument to make is his recorded actions, though very few. Would remind persons how corrupt Chicago is, and to rise to power from there, one has to have dirty hands, be bought or both. Give few examples of despotic deeds by preezy and his alphabet agencies and give people something to think about and instill doubt.

To answer when being accused of being a birther if one criticizes the commie bastard, would reply know one has control over ones birth circumstances, but is responsible for own actions once an adult. Adult, free choice actions by preezy are under lock and key why?

When arguing with helplessly brain dead liberals, give omens or warnings of what to expect from a fascist leader if preeezy "might" be one. When preezy acts, you are proven right and more doubt instilled in brain dead followers head.
Civility gets one farther. I always end spirited debate with a joke and smile and with peace of mind knowing you know what the hell is going on and if they remain clueless - its their own damn fault. They were warned.

Posted by: Deli LLama at January 25, 2013 03:51 PM (lGu1O)

444 Amishdude,
Can you mathematically prove your assertion that mathematical ability is the only legitimate measure of intellect?
Posted by: Grey Fox at January 25, 2013 03:46 PM (4vofC)


It's not that if you don't know math, you are not an intellectual. Math by nature is not subjective where as most other things are.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 03:51 PM (l86i3)

445 Ace, nice piece.

Posted by: Mudshark at January 25, 2013 03:52 PM (ftrKC)

446 Unfortunately the only way to circle the wagons is to not have a primary and to have the nominee be selected behind closed doors. To expect people not to go negative in a primary campaign is not realistic.

What should be expected though is after the nominee is selected that there be aunified effort to elect that person and to act as if the nominee is the best thing since sliced banana bread whether you believe it or not.

Posted by: polynikes at January 25, 2013 03:52 PM (m2CN7)

447 429
Your bias is showing...badly.



Michaelangelo was a genius. Mozart was a genius.



Art is about talent, not genius. The term is misused in this case. Do you think Mozart could explain his work?

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2013 03:47 PM

... and Brian Wilson is a genius!

Seriously, even Brian hates that label. A musician or composer like Brian Wilson is extremely gifted, but they haven't solved the fuel cell, cold fusion, or cured cancer.


Posted by: kbdabear at January 25, 2013 03:52 PM (wwsoB)

448 #394 yeah, I think so too. I am very curious to see how they try to get that 90% black turnout for Hillary in 2016. She is no Bill when it comes to appealing to black sensibilities. I guess they will trot Bill out one last time to do the shuck and jive.

I asked my liberal husband this AM who he thought could beat Hillary and he said, "anyone besides Rick Santorum." That surprised me.

Posted by: rockmom at January 25, 2013 03:53 PM (NYnoe)

449 "the Dems will never nominate a White dude again"

They will if he says he 1/32 Cherokee.

Posted by: mediumheadboy at January 25, 2013 03:53 PM (WMsq+)

450 I like Sarah Palin, but since opinion about her tends to move in the extremes of hagiography and demonization, I think it's very difficult to get an idea of her true abilities.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 25, 2013 03:54 PM (xjpRj)

451 It's not that he can't, it's that he isn't focused on doing so.


This is simply untrue. Kazynski was desperately focused on meeting women but was so socially inept that he couldn't manage it.

Besides, "navigating the social scene" is not a unique skill, it is
common and it doesn't involve understanding a natural or intellectual
phenomenon. The intricacies of human interaction are too complex to be
known or understood, so they are intuited. This is not genius.


So, only mathematicians are geniuses, but whenever someone brings up an example of why this isn't so, you say they just aren't trying, or else simply define genius as "not those guys".

The intricacies of human interaction are too complex to be
known or understood


So is string theory. So what?

Posted by: pep at January 25, 2013 03:54 PM (6TB1Z)

452 Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2013 03:50 PM (T0NGe)

Keep going, you are proving yourself wrong rainman.

Posted by: The Jackhole at January 25, 2013 03:54 PM (nTgAI)

453 Calling someone a genious is like calling somebody rich. It all depends on other shit.

Posted by: Tickle. at January 25, 2013 03:54 PM (l86i3)

454 435 Math is Hard,

and at some point the dark side of their race games will rear its head...

yes yes worst case scenario is Whites will be a "minority" by 2024, but we're still the biggest individual group for a long time, and if they need Black candidates we'll wind up with either the Latinos and Asians or Asians if we try....

the other thing is have babies.

These bastards are trying to import people to blow up the republic....

That is a fun and easy thing to fight, 1) fuck, 2) deal with the aftermath of fucking.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 03:55 PM (LRFds)

455 Of course it is. To deny this is to deny that Shakespeare was a genius, or that the guy who wrote Moby Dick or Gravity's Rainbow or Infinite Jest might have some intellectual capacity.

They might, but as I point out above, it's intuited, it's artistic, it's not concluding new facts from given ones.

When Shakespeare died, there was no more Shakespeare. He didn't understand and build so that his own work becomes a triviality based on the accumulated knowledge of future generations.

Despite the archaic language, his work is still considered a pinnacle. Why? Mathematics of his era is generally considered trivial.

AmishDude, math skill is indeed indicative of a certain (extremely limited) form of intelligence.

In this context, it is the only one that matters. It is the art of solving a problem given limited information.

Problem solving.

If you want to argue that there are other forms of intellect, that's fine. But they don't matter compared to the ability to solve problems.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2013 03:55 PM (T0NGe)

456
Oh Brother. The only people who need to apologize are Beta Male Dickless Wonders like you and your crew, Ed Morrissey, Allahpundit, the NRO boys (except Mark Steyn and Andy McCarthy), the Powerline idiots, Erick Ericson, and every other dickless, balless, spineless excuse for a man who didn't defend Sarah Palin after Tuscon. Forget your attacks on Rush after the Sandra Fluke thing. Forget all the comparisons so-called conservatives make between low life scumbags like Olberman and Maher and Louis CK to Rush. Rush Limbaugh is polite to a fault. He holds back much more than he spews and I listen to Mark to get my fill of righteous indignation. (Rest in peace Andrew Breitbart.)
I wish one of you would write something, ANYTHING, about how Sarah Palin was treated after Tuscon with some ounce of passion. Be a man. Stick up for the woman. Where have all the real men gone? Long time passing.

Posted by: Jaynie59 at January 25, 2013 03:56 PM (4zKCA)

457 If you want to argue that there are other forms of intellect, that's fine. But they don't matter compared to the ability to solve problems.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2013 03:55 PM (T0NGe)

It's not just solving problems but proving you have solved the problem.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 03:57 PM (l86i3)

458 and I'm not sure anymore what Romney was trying to do.
Posted by: Ian S. at January 25, 2013 03:47 PM (OevbG)

Since Romney took no salary for the Governorship or heading up the Olympics and spent a great deal of time volunteering for charity as a Mormon, it would be safe to say he would gladly accept the job of President with absolutely no perrkashis reponsiblityas an American citizen and his desire to continue America's exceptionalism.

Posted by: polynikes at January 25, 2013 03:57 PM (m2CN7)

459 She wasn't in charge of that process, that was the work of 'Dr. Evil' and Norma Desmond, Steve Schmidt and Nicolle Wallace, his electioneering
campaign was so bad, the Kentucky atty general race, he ran is a case study, in what not to do, he got some kudos handling Arnold's recall campaign, that worked out well, and he picked John Roberts,

Posted by: cardinal fang at January 25, 2013 03:57 PM (Jsiw/)

460 Unfortunately, we left our literature-based vocabulary back in the 50s and 60s. Isn't there someone out there who can do the same again?

Not anyone who went to American public school.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2013 03:57 PM (T0NGe)

461 Saracuda can be in my militia any day.

Posted by: Rule #2 at January 25, 2013 03:58 PM (CypDC)

462 man ace,

you need to stop being on such a roll, you're not giving me any time to think.

Posted by: dantealiegri at January 25, 2013 03:58 PM (HXWlL)

463 77
>>>
Bullshit, just yesterday some asshat continued the lie that she was a quitter.

yeah,
what a lie. She merely quit her governorship before the end of her
term, but that doesn't make her a quitter, that makes her a fighter by
other means.

She flipped the script, you know. It was so brilliant of her to do that.

Idiotic.
Someone quits their office but we have to argue years after the fact
about whether quitting an office makes one a quitter.


Posted by: ace at January 25, 2013 02:50 PM (LCRYB)

Ace , you're fucking nuts if you dont understand why she had to.And pretending it's not a smear in calling her a quitter is dishonest.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at January 25, 2013 03:58 PM (AWmfW)

464 Can you mathematically prove your assertion that mathematical ability is the only legitimate measure of intellect?

Yes. But you wouldn't understand it.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2013 03:59 PM (T0NGe)

465 Not anyone who went to American public school.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2013 03:57 PM (T0NGe)


BOOM!!!!

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 03:59 PM (l86i3)

466 Why do we allow Dims Alinsky's rules [Palin, Limbaugh, Levin, Teaparty, anyone standing against them] to decide who we like or don't like, listen to or not listen to? Or more importantly, start our circular execution?


Posted by: justbecause at January 25, 2013 03:59 PM (scLNg)

467 This entire thread should be titled:

Breaking News: OBAMA is a liberal. Duh!

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at January 25, 2013 03:59 PM (zjHFU)

468 Be a man. Stick up for the woman. Where have all the real men gone? Long time passing.
Posted by: Jaynie59 at January 25, 2013 03:56 PM (4zKCA)

You are experiencing tunnel vision. This site defended Palin on the charges arising from Tuscon.

Posted by: polynikes at January 25, 2013 04:00 PM (m2CN7)

469 Getting back to the original point of this "genius" stuff; I don't consider Slick one unless you include everybody who's ever worked at a carny and been responsible for snaring the rubes. Or sexual predators.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 25, 2013 04:01 PM (R4Bz0)

470 Rainman was a genius, he could have been president in the real world.
I've seen plenty of retarded mathmeticians.


Ah, but here's the thing: I DON'T think genius is the standard by which we should judge political leaders. That's the point. I don't WANT a brilliant person as POTUS. I don't think it's necessary.

I like the idea of Cincinnatus.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2013 04:01 PM (T0NGe)

471 Ace , you're fucking nuts if you dont understand why she had to.And pretending it's not a smear in calling her a quitter is dishonest.
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at January 25, 2013 03:58 PM (AWmfW)


I tried already. Apparently she was supposed to bankrupt herself and her family to keep her job after the onslaught of law suits, all proven baseless, by the DNC and their henchmen. Some skulls cannot be penetrated.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 04:02 PM (l86i3)

472 I have to disagree with Ace.

I'd reckon Palin is a person with average to above average intellect. How else could she of achieved the level of Gov. without any familial ties to help her out. Self-made people usually aren't dolts. Its here personality faults and lack of a frame of reference that make her appear less than here peers. She's made some fairly sophisticated arguments in person and in writing, imo. Its here Alaskan-sized blind-spots that limited her political ambitions, not her grey cells.

Posted by: Serious Cat at January 25, 2013 04:02 PM (UypUQ)

473 I wish one of you would write something, ANYTHING,
about how Sarah Palin was treated after Tuscon with some ounce of
passion. Be a man. Stick up for the woman. Where have all the real men
gone? Long time passing.

Posted by: Jaynie59 at January 25, 2013 03:56 PM (4zKCA)

Yes.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at January 25, 2013 04:02 PM (AWmfW)

474 471 OSP,

Yup pretty much, the correct response would have been to find an equivalent democrat and friendly ethics judge and do the same.

We don't do that, we let the left designate a target and then argue over whether or not they need saved.

I want them afraid to fuck with us.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 04:03 PM (LRFds)

475 Yes. But you wouldn't understand it.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2013 03:59 PM (T0NGe)

BOOM BOOM BOOM!!!!!

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 04:04 PM (l86i3)

476 @Hollowpoint, if Palin is a shallow babbler, I guess Obama is a deep babbler.

I am also not so sure we need a super smart president. Bush was a C student.

I think smart people sometimes think that they can solve problems rather than just leaving well enough alone.

Posted by: sexypig at January 25, 2013 04:05 PM (dZQh7)

477 So, only mathematicians are geniuses, but whenever someone brings up an example of why this isn't so, you say they just aren't trying, or else simply define genius as "not those guys".

No, it's "not that stuff". You can point to art if you want -- something with no objective standard or can be analyzed with precision -- but art isn't judged in the same way as other academic pursuits. The humanities, social sciences (incl. polysci), natural sciences, engineering, etc. are all judged by the precise analytic standard.

And in there it's math or nothin'.

The intricacies of human interaction are too complex to be
known or understood

So is string theory. So what?


No it isn't. It's string theory. There are axioms and theorems and proof. And there are conjectures, which are reasonable guesses based on intuition.

But the geniuses aren't the ones who intuit, they're the ones who actually prove the shit.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2013 04:07 PM (T0NGe)

478 I tried already. Apparently she was supposed to bankrupt herself and her family to keep her job after the onslaught of law suits, all proven baseless, by the DNC and their henchmen. Some skulls cannot be penetrated.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 04:02 PM (l86i3)

No she paid one charge against her. Also her outcry about the law she helped enact, immediately ceased after she resigned. It was like OJ saying he was going to spend his time looking for the real killer. Palin did nothing to advocate revamping the laws said to have caused her to resign.

Also Palin has a record of resigning when the going gets tough. She went through 4 different colleges before she got a journalism degree. She resigned from the Energy Commision in protest and resigned half way through her term in a state where she supposedly had over a 60% approval rating, and did so before making any attempt to fight.

Posted by: polynikes at January 25, 2013 04:07 PM (m2CN7)

479 I want them afraid to fuck with us.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 04:03 PM (LRFds)

Agreed. The establishment trys to play by the Hoyle rules instead.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 04:08 PM (l86i3)

480

Yes. But you wouldn't understand it.

If you say so...

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 25, 2013 04:08 PM (4vofC)

481 I am also not so sure we need a super smart president. Bush was a C student.



I think smart people sometimes think that they can solve problems rather than just leaving well enough alone.

Posted by: sexypig at January 25, 2013 04:05 PM (dZQh7)


Being President is an executive position and a good one delegates effectively and then acts decisively on what the person assigned reports. Reagan understood this; the JEF is horrible at it as was Slick.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 25, 2013 04:08 PM (R4Bz0)

482 Piers Morgan would look a lot better with a crowbar visit to the dentists.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 04:09 PM (LRFds)

483 Posted by: Serious Cat at January 25, 2013 04:02 PM (UypUQ)

You could say that about Jesse Ventura.

Posted by: polynikes at January 25, 2013 04:10 PM (m2CN7)

484 Also Palin has a record of resigning when the going gets tough. She went through 4 different colleges before she got a journalism degree. She resigned from the Energy Commision in protest and resigned half way through her term in a state where she supposedly had over a 60% approval rating, and did so before making any attempt to fight.
Posted by: polynikes at January 25, 2013 04:07 PM (m2CN7)


And then she put all the crooked son of a bitches from the energy commision in jail. And then she negotiated oil contracts that benifit the citizens of Alaska. Yeah, she's a FKN idiot.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 04:10 PM (l86i3)

485 484 OSP,

well come now figuring out a way to incentivize keeping the roughnecks going was simple...

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 04:12 PM (LRFds)

486 Posted by: polynikes at January 25, 2013 04:07 PM (m2CN7)


And BTW asshat, I went to 5 universities for various reasons that had nothing to do with quitting.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 04:13 PM (l86i3)

487 You still haven't answered my question about Kazynski.

It's string theory. There are axioms and theorems and proof. And there are conjectures, which are reasonable guesses based on intuition.



But the geniuses aren't the ones who intuit, they're the ones who actually prove the shit.


Ah, so experimentalists are the real geniuses. Thanks.


Posted by: pep at January 25, 2013 04:13 PM (6TB1Z)

488 "Also Palin has a record of resigning when the going gets tough. She went
through 4 different colleges before she got a journalism degree."

===============

Now this is just getting stupid.

Wasn't she moving a lot during those years? How is it "quitting" to finish a degree through four different colleges following geographic moves?

Or is moving an example of her "record of resigning," too? ("She broke her lease!")

Posted by: Kensington at January 25, 2013 04:14 PM (H84UO)

489 And then she put all the crooked son of a bitches from the energy commision in jail. And then she negotiated oil contracts that benifit the citizens of Alaska. Yeah, she's a FKN idiot.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 04:10 PM (l86i3)

Never said she was an idiot. And the big negotiation she did to my knowledge never came to fruition. I've always though she would make a fine pundit but never was executive material. That said , I defended her every second she was our VP nominee.

Posted by: polynikes at January 25, 2013 04:15 PM (m2CN7)

490 She went through 4 different colleges before she got
a journalism degree.
Posted by: polynikes at January 25, 2013 04:07 PM (m2CN7)


Changing colleges shouldn't be held against her; it usually hinges on something else going on in a person's life. At least she attained a degree; something that Rove or Brian Williams never did.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 25, 2013 04:15 PM (R4Bz0)

491 Now this is just getting stupid.Wasn't she moving a lot during those years? How is it "quitting" to finish a degree through four different colleges following geographic moves?Or is moving an example of her "record of resigning," too? ("She broke her lease!")
Posted by: Kensington at January 25, 2013 04:14 PM (H84UO)

Now that is just stupid. Her moving was a result of her quitting college.

Posted by: polynikes at January 25, 2013 04:16 PM (m2CN7)

492 If you say so...

I just had an associate dean make a presentation to the math department and admitted (proudly!) that he changed his major from engineering to biology because math was too hard for him.

And that's considered OK.

Hillary Clinton famously admitted math was too hard for her.

Barack Obama admitted that he couldn't do his seventh grader's math homework.

This is appalling. At no point in my life did I consider biology, political science or the law to be too difficult. On the contrary.

And yet we freely accept, in this society, that people with severe deficiencies in their intellectual makeup are qualified -- no preferred -- to take positions of authority.

Art, again, is a unique case but do you think a Fields medalist would have been unable to understand the Commerce Clause sufficient to pass a Constitutional Law class? He would regard the whole exercise as a bad joke.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2013 04:16 PM (T0NGe)

493 Posted by: polynikes at January 25, 2013 04:15 PM (m2CN7)

Well then why in the hell would you equate going to several universities to attain a degree as quitting?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 04:16 PM (l86i3)

494 490 Captain Hate,

Neither did I, much to my chagrin I wasted 3.5 years.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 04:17 PM (LRFds)

495 417
Posted by: Highlights for Children, Nov 2008

Nice, very nice.


Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs an intervention at January 25, 2013 03:44 PM (ZKzrr)

Reading up on the exploits of "Goofus and Gallant" is the only reason why I go to the doctor every year.
Well, the free prostate exam is a bonus too.

Posted by: MrCaniac at January 25, 2013 04:17 PM (Zd/NW)

496 Posted by: Captain Hate at January 25, 2013 04:15 PM (R4Bz0)

I have to be consistent. If I'm going to bash the MSM and their journalism degrees well.....

Posted by: polynikes at January 25, 2013 04:17 PM (m2CN7)

497 Now that is just stupid. Her moving was a result of her quitting college.
Posted by: polynikes at January 25, 2013 04:16 PM (m2CN7)

You need to read her biography. Maybe you would think she's lying but it all made sense to me.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 04:18 PM (l86i3)

498 I tried already. Apparently she was supposed to bankrupt herself and her family to keep her job after the onslaught of law suits, all proven baseless, by the DNC and their henchmen. Some skulls cannot be penetrated.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon.
-----------
And I thought the left had major PDS. Ace sounds just like one of them.
Was she perfect? No. ButIhaven't seen or heard anything that she has done to deserve thefoaming at the mouth hatred I'm seeing here.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at January 25, 2013 04:18 PM (+aCe4)

499 You still haven't answered my question about Kazynski.

What's to answer, he had psychological problems that he was not self-aware. Can you give an algorithm to guarantee to bed a hot chick and prove that it works?

Ah, so experimentalists are the real geniuses. Thanks.

Lab monkeys? No. They don't prove anything. They provide evidence.

Evidence is not proof.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2013 04:19 PM (T0NGe)

500
The humanities, social sciences (incl. polysci), natural sciences, engineering, etc. are all judged by the precise analytic standard.

And in there it's math or nothin'.


Funny, I don't recall much math in my history classes, nor much in the way of a"precise analytic standard," nor in philosophy, nor theology, nor any other humanity I can think of...
Even applied science is pretty subjective in practice, though scientists rarely want to admit that - there is a big intuitive leap between collecting data and forming a hypothesis, and between forming a hypothesis and concocting experiments to test it, for a few examples.
But what do I know,I am just a big dumb historian-type...

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 25, 2013 04:19 PM (4vofC)

501 Here is MY tactless comment:

Leadership requires more than the snappy use of words and a mellifluous accent. When those are your sole criteria, you end up with someone like Obama.

The critiques of candidates are made mostly by people who earn their livings with words: reporters, political analysts, attorneys, bloggers, etc. All well and good, but talk is cheap, and the fancy speeches do not necessarily mean that a candidate has good character traits, common sense, a flair for organization, or a knowledge of basic math.

Leaving out the divisive Palin, let's look at another contender who was hurt by this standard: Rick Perry. He is not good in debates and was further handicapped by pain from his back surgery and medication to alleviate said pain.

He imploded because of the standard of "words are everything." This is a standard set up by the PRESS. We managed to elect presidents for over 140 years without debates, televised or otherwise. Yeet because of flubs in the "talking on TV" contest, we are to dismiss the most successful governor in the country because he's considered to be "stupid."

I don't give a crap about this. I want plain talk. Non-tactful, as it were. That means I will support Perry, who has a record of accomplishment and tells the feds to go to hell, or Rand Paul, who had no problem telling Clinton she was incompetent and should have been fired.

If you guys continue to allow the press to set the standards on who is acceptable for the presidency based on what THEY like (words, chatter, talk, and TV personna) we are doomed.

Debates should be handled by the RNC. Cut out the networks and livestream them on the RNC web site and put them on YouTube. NO MSM people allowed to be questioners.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 25, 2013 04:20 PM (GoIUi)

502 Evidence is not proof.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2013 04:19 PM (T0NGe)


Your flying at jet level, explain at kite level.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 04:20 PM (l86i3)

503 Neither did I, much to my chagrin I wasted 3.5 years.


Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 04:17 PM (LRFds)


Well it's obviously not necessary to have a successful, happy and full life but the punditocracy dotes on it when it serves their needs.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 25, 2013 04:20 PM (R4Bz0)

504 492 Amish Dude,

I do think the point can be taken to extremes, I am at a loss when you advance beyond geometry and am able to be a manager and an effective troubleshooter. We are not dealing with hyper complex dynamics in a Constitutional Government that adheres to good economic sense. The problems begin when people delude themselves to the nature of the economic realities with games of "math."

Barack Obama is not a failure because he cannot succeed at 7th grade math, he's a failure because he is a closed mind who does not trust in experimentation and failure analysis.

That is a deficiency in his cognitive ability not his math reasoning.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 04:21 PM (LRFds)

505 I have to be consistent. If I'm going to bash the MSM and their journalism degrees well.....

Posted by: polynikes at January 25, 2013 04:17 PM (m2CN7)


Point noted.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 25, 2013 04:21 PM (R4Bz0)

506 We don't even know where Obama got the money to go to college, suspicions included Thomas Ayers, father of Billy the Bomber, and a moneyman for Prince Talal, so she took her time, earning scholarship, waiting tables, in order to earn her degree. As Captain points out Karl Rove and Steve Schmidt didn't have degrees until the last few years.

Posted by: cardinal fang at January 25, 2013 04:22 PM (Jsiw/)

507 503 Captain Hate,

and cheerfully ignores or happily allows its burial when inclined.

I'll put it differently, after watching Piers Morgan's performance against Newt I am fairly certain my grandmother taught me better reasoning by 6 than Piers got in High School.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 04:22 PM (LRFds)

508
Art, again, is a unique case but do you think a Fields medalist would have been unable to understand the Commerce Clause sufficient to pass a Constitutional Law class? He would regard the whole exercise as a bad joke

You are a pretty proud mathematician, but have demonstrated an apparent inability to grasp basic written English on previous occasions, so it might not surprise me...

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 25, 2013 04:22 PM (4vofC)

509 She not only nearly bankrupted herself, she only "quit" because of a crooked decision that stripped her of her defense fund. She was personally liable for all of that money to defend from bullshit ethics charges, and people couldn't even donate to help pay for it.

So, rather than destroy her whole family, and in the face of debilitatingly being yanked away from her work, she turned the reins over to someone she hoped would be able to proceed with the business of the job rather than holding the office and yet spending all their time doing something else because of an abused legal process.

This is the "NO WMD" of the anti-Palin right.

And yes, Palin had flaws, serious ones. Instead of criticizing her for those, Palinoids Make Shit Up.

Yeah, for whatever reason, Stupid Party, Will Probably Fold From Stupid Infighting.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 25, 2013 04:23 PM (bxiXv)

510 500 Grey Fox,

Yes but you can use math to analyze patterns in history. The main thing being that the folly begins when one applies fomulaic thinking to non symmetrical epochs or tries to juxtapose wildly dynamic cultures' performances. Frankly I suspect the left feels that their deep changes to our national identity they've helped foster will not carry as big a price tag as I suspect.

We'll see.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 04:25 PM (LRFds)

511 SAVE US LIZ CHENEY. RUN FOR PRESIDENT IN 16!!!

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 04:27 PM (l86i3)

512 Funny, I don't recall much math in my history classes, nor much in the way of a"precise analytic standard," nor in philosophy, nor theology, nor any other humanity I can think of...

Exactly.

Those fields are -- sorry for the technical term -- easy.

I'm not being flippant here. It's not that it's not important. It is. But it isn't challenging, nor does it require a truly unique mind.

And even if there is quality, it's too subjective. You can't judge objectively whether one historian is "better" than another. Indeed, political affiliation usually makes those determinations.

Even applied science is pretty subjective in practice,

Applied science isn't.

(Sorry, I love that line.)

Seriously, there's a progression of knowledge and what you're talking about is "Wal*Mart science".

You don't know what raw materials were used, you don't know how it was made, you don't know how it was assembled, shipped or marketed.

All you know is what you see on the shelf.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2013 04:27 PM (T0NGe)

513 All you know is what you see on the shelf.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2013 04:27 PM (T0NGe)

Dude, I have never had a man crush but I'm almost there.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 04:28 PM (l86i3)

514 Dude, I have never had a man crush but I'm almost there.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon.
http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 04:28 PM (l86i3)


You could volunteer to hold up his head....it must be exhausting for him.

Posted by: Tami at January 25, 2013 04:29 PM (X6akg)

515 Cordelia said it best, years ago on Buffy the Vampire Slayer, "Tact is just not saying true stuff."

Posted by: Sharky at January 25, 2013 04:30 PM (bKPYs)

516 What's to answer, he had psychological problems that he was not
self-aware. Can you give an algorithm to guarantee to bed a hot chick
and prove that it works?


That's not what you said. You said a mathematical genius was a genius in all other areas as well. intellect is the ability to assess a complex situation, understand it
and draw conclusions from it that can be used in other situations.
That is the very definition of social interaction. Now you say that Kazynski doesn't count because of psychological problems, which is another way of saying it's true until I say it isn't.

Lab monkeys? No. They don't prove anything. They provide evidence.

I like you, but it's that kind of dickish comment that the socially inept (the non-geniuses) make.

Posted by: pep at January 25, 2013 04:33 PM (6TB1Z)

517 I do think the point can be taken to extremes, I am at a loss when you advance beyond geometry and am able to be a manager and an effective troubleshooter.

Sure. Not everybody has to be a genius. But let me assure you that the graduating class from Harvard Law are not your intellectual betters.

We are not dealing with hyper complex dynamics in a Constitutional Government that adheres to good economic sense.

The government's too big to be managed effectively. It must be governed by principles, the details are too many.

Barack Obama is not a failure because he cannot succeed at 7th grade math,

True, but the fact that he can't handle 7th grade math indicates that he has a very weak intellect. That's the point. I wouldn't use the word "imbecile" but others might.

he's a failure because he is a closed mind who does not trust in experimentation and failure analysis.

In his case, it's just religion. He believes in the perfectability of man via the state and no evidence to the contrary will dissuade him. It's immaterial whether he can understand that his prescriptions will lead to failure, he isn't interested in evidence.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2013 04:33 PM (T0NGe)

518
You could volunteer to hold up his head....it must be exhausting for him.
Posted by: Tami at January 25, 2013 04:29 PM (X6akg)

OK, thats funny.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 04:33 PM (l86i3)

519 I'm not being flippant here. It's not that it's not important. It is. But it isn't challenging, nor does it require a truly unique mind.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2013 04:27 PM (T0NGe)


Here I will part ways. History done properly may be rare, but it's not easy. It's also not subjective - uncertainty kind of looks like subjectivity, but it's not the same thing.

History can never be as certain as math, because it isn't a self-contained subject.

Just because an idiot tries to do history doesn't make history idiotic. A savant who does math trivially but imbues it with no meaning does not make math trivial.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 25, 2013 04:35 PM (bxiXv)

520 History can never be as certain as math, because it isn't a self-contained subject.


I always thought the study of history is the search for truth.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 04:37 PM (l86i3)

521 Dude, I have never had a man crush but I'm almost there. Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 04:28 PM (l86i3) You could volunteer to hold up his head....it must be exhausting for him.
Posted by: Tami at January 25, 2013 04:29 PM (X6akg)

BOOM

Posted by: The Jackhole at January 25, 2013 04:41 PM (nTgAI)

522 517 AD,

You know me well enough to agree, in the end it is a religion.

Heh, the ability to execute system analysis whether intuitive or analytical with a high order of probability of success *is* if not a form of genius at least a valuable aptitude.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 04:41 PM (LRFds)

523 520 OSP,

Old-fashioned, today history is the search for ways to control today's truth.

It is in fact direct Communist rot.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 04:42 PM (LRFds)

524 You are a pretty proud mathematician, but have demonstrated an apparent inability to grasp basic written English on previous occasions, so it might not surprise me...

It's a blog. I'm multitasking.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2013 04:44 PM (T0NGe)

525 BOOM
Posted by: The Jackhole at January 25, 2013 04:41 PM (nTgAI)


Paybacks a bitch isn't it.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 04:44 PM (l86i3)

526
Yes but you can use math to analyze patterns in history

On a micro level, math can be a useful, if extremely limited tool, on occasion. The problem is that historical data is not easily quantifiable, cannot always be taken at face value, is seldom complete, and it is very easy to draw the wrong conclusions from.
On a macro level, in practice it is virtually impossible to even find symetrical epochs or draw valid conclusions - we still don't know why the Roman Empire fell, for example, and theories range from stuff like demographic trends (which are hard to actually know and therefore are not easily analyzed) to stuff like loss of cultural confidence to one-time strategic errors (like Valen's decision to fight immediately at Adrianople, which defeat forced the Romans to break tradition and allow the Goths to settle in the Empire as a cohesive people group).I am always very skeptical about broad theories of history in general - each epoch is best understood on its ownb terms without trying to force it into a pattern.
I was a pretty good math student back in high school, and all I can say is that solving a historical puzzle,which demands one interpretevidence based on language and human behavior, is quite different than a math problem based on numbers.

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 25, 2013 04:44 PM (4vofC)

527 Limbaugh's sort of the pitch perfect radio guy. He doesn't do angry as does Levin, but he doesn't feel the need to be Mr. reasonable (a la Medved).

As for Palin - I like Ace's more reasonable approach, but I definitely wouldn't call her dumb.

I'd elaborate but I have go entertain two kids under four as we deal with early day home due to snow.

Posted by: Paul Zummo at January 25, 2013 04:46 PM (81ahw)

528 I think Palin is dumb in a few respects...like not being able to answer the question about what she reads. C'mon...

Posted by: sexypig at January 25, 2013 04:47 PM (dZQh7)

529 You could volunteer to hold up his head....it must be exhausting for him.
Posted by: Tami at January 25, 2013 04:29 PM (X6akg)


The real problem is that I have to keep answering calls from the Almighty.

I really wish He would stop asking me for advice. He's the Supreme Being of the Universe. He should act like it.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2013 04:47 PM (T0NGe)

530 161

Ace,

Here you are, making some nice statements about Palin in your original post...and you still get pummelled for it.

I'm not sure we can ever have a non-emotional discusion about Palin...when just the mention of her seems to push people's buttons.
Posted by: wheatie ***

You know what it is? It's the fact that no one can forget Ace's utter contempt for her. When he says something nice about her, it comes with 4 steamer trunks and a makeup case full of vitriol behind it. If he didn't want a flamewar, he'd just shut the hell up about her and pretend she never existed.

Posted by: Kerry at January 25, 2013 04:47 PM (AYfPj)

531 Posted by: Kerry at January 25, 2013 04:47 PM (AYfPj)

True, 531 hits later it seems that it's mission accomplished.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 04:50 PM (l86i3)

532 The real problem is that I have to keep answering calls from the Almighty.



I really wish He would stop asking me for advice. He's the Supreme Being of the Universe. He should act like it.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2013 04:47 PM (T0NGe)

You could try to explain that to Him....but He probably wouldn't understand you.

Posted by: Tami at January 25, 2013 04:51 PM (X6akg)

533 That's not what you said. You said a mathematical genius was a genius in all other areas as well.

I'm not going to backtrack the thread. Let me just cede that you are correct and say that I meant that mathematical genius is the only kind of academic genius. Artistic "genius" is misidentified.

intellect is the ability to assess a complex situation, understand it
and draw conclusions from it that can be used in other situations.

That is the very definition of social interaction.


Except that the system is too complex to be truly known and must be intuited. Intuition is not intellect. In fact, it's just the opposite.

Lab monkeys? No. They don't prove anything. They provide evidence.

I like you, but it's that kind of dickish comment that the socially inept (the non-geniuses) make.


And we come full circle. You don't attack me for being wrong -- that evidence is not proof and that experimentalists cannot provide proof, they can only provide evidence -- you attack me for not being tactful.

Well, I've had enough of lawyers, biologists and other academic flotsam telling me what brilliant people they are and how they are fit to rule over me. I'm going to bring them down to the level they belong.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2013 04:52 PM (T0NGe)

534
501...Posted by: Miss Marple at January 25, 2013 04:20 PM (GoIUi)

Amen to that, Miss Marple.
All of it!

Posted by: wheatie at January 25, 2013 04:56 PM (fH4X9)

535 Amen to that, Miss Marple.
All of it!
Posted by: wheatie at January 25, 2013 04:56 PM (fH4X9)


Yep, I like the cut of Miss Marples Jib. I always imagine her looking like a modern day Jamie Lee Curtiss.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 04:58 PM (l86i3)

536 You don't attack me for being wrong -- that evidence is not proof and
that experimentalists cannot provide proof, they can only provide
evidence -- you attack me for not being tactful.



Well, I've had enough of lawyers, biologists and other academic
flotsam telling me what brilliant people they are and how they are fit
to rule over me. I'm going to bring them down to the level they belong.


I didn't attack you. I attacked an unnecessarily abrasive comment by you, because it was, how shall I put this, unnecessary. That's the definition of tact, which is a sign of intelligence. Intelligent people aren't deliberately obnoxious simply because it isn't productive. What I have to do with biologists, lawyers and other academic flotsam or who rules over you I have no idea.

Posted by: pep at January 25, 2013 05:02 PM (6TB1Z)

537 I don't believe "abomidably" is a word. If it is, it shouldn't be.

Posted by: PersonFromPorlock at January 25, 2013 05:33 PM (2VCZA)

538 Yep, I like the cut of Miss Marples Jib. I always imagine her looking like a modern day Jamie Lee Curtiss.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon.
http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 04:58 PM (l86i3)


But without the gastro-intestinal maladies, no?

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 25, 2013 05:34 PM (R4Bz0)

539 I didn't attack you. I attacked an unnecessarily abrasive comment by you, because it was, how shall I put this, unnecessary.

The word "attack" is ill-chosen. But I went to American public school.

That's the definition of tact, which is a sign of intelligence.

It depends on the goal you want to achieve. For mine, tact is obstructive. We have a wretched, loathsome educational system in this country in part due to the self-esteem movement and to the continuance of the notion that mathematics (which is nothing more than logic and reason stripped to its bare essentials) is anything but the essence of knowledge is why we are failing so badly and why we have to import so many of our scientists.

We are becoming a nation of naval-gazers and paper-pushers. Not thinkers, but reactors.

More importantly, we are not people who can think in the abstract but react emotionally and personally.

It's not personal, it's logic.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2013 05:47 PM (T0NGe)

540 538 Captain Hate,

Now cure with new butt yogurt....try the boston creme flavor...


//JLC

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 05:47 PM (LRFds)

541 Hey Amish, how do you feel about Electrical Engineers?
Just don't lump me in with lawyers/journalists m'kay.

Posted by: Schwalbe: The Me-262© at January 25, 2013 05:56 PM (UU0OF)

542 Yeah Rich?

And you owe John Derbyshire an apology and maybe his job back.

It's idiots like YOU who have made the Republican brand what it is today: feckless, faithless and cowardly fawning to liberals.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka 3 tooth) at January 25, 2013 05:58 PM (3E2th)

543 Hey Amish, how do you feel about Electrical Engineers?
Just don't lump me in with lawyers/journalists m'kay.



It doesn't matter who I like and don't like. Hell, I like the guy who does The History of Rome podcast (look it up, it's good).

But anything we truly understand, we do so through a mathematical model. Sometimes we don't quite say it that way (economics has a nasty habit of using mathematical ideas without being explicit about it) but that's the way it is.

I get a little frustrated, I must admit, that academic EEs work on problems that are much like mine, except that the results are very much restricted to special cases and not really too impressive even in that context.

But it's essentially mathematics anyway. So are theoretical computer science and theoretical physics.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2013 06:06 PM (T0NGe)

544 Tami, if you're still reading, I think you need to recognize that I'm being deliberately provocative to make a point.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2013 06:17 PM (T0NGe)

545
You are scum. You should be executed for this.
I am not satisfied with the state of our nation; however, I won’t respect a hypocritical racist calling the president a liar, epciscally when telling lies about the president himself.
Man, I love being right! Listen to these stupid racists here claim this is a Victory for America! It’s is NOT! It IS a Victory for the racists, bigots, and extremist black-haters on the right! Heck, ALL these comments prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are racists! You are making the KKK proud with your racist rants!
The Constitution gives the President the authority to make temporary
recess appointments to fill vacant positions when the Senate is in
recess, a power all recent Presidents have exercised. The Senate has
effectively been in recess for weeks, and is expected to remain in
recess for weeks. In an overt attempt to prevent the President from
exercising his authority during this period, Republican Senators
insisted on using a gimmick called “pro forma” sessions, which are
sessions during which NO Senate business is conducted and instead one or
two Senators simply gavel in and out of session in a matter of seconds.
But gimmicks do not override the President’s constitutional authority
to make appointments to keep the government running.
Funny how these racists obviously misquote and misuse the laws of the land to further their hateful desire to get the black man out of the White House. And funny that they didn’t care about the law of the land when Bush was running the show.
Obama broke NO law with recess appointments.
Anyone who calls Obama a Communist is a stupid racist!
Anyone who calls Obama a Marxist is a stupid racist!
Anyone who calls Obama a Dictator is a racist!
Anyone who calls Obama a Traitor is a stupid racist!
Has Obama physically seized the means of production through force of
arms? Has he abolished elections and outlawed opposition parties? Has
he rounded up millions of people and placed them into camps, or executed
them outright? No?
Then he’s probably not a Communist dictator. Not to mention, he has proven Over and Over he is legally able to be President!
You have absolutely zero evidence to back up your assertion that the President is a “Marxist.”
He is not a traitor, but you are.
You go against a constitutionally elected President who was voted for by most of America’s electorate.
Obama is a Christian, not a Muslim. Obama isn’t an elitist, anti-American, Socialist/Statist! The Republican Party is not a cancer in the body of America, a party of racists and religious bigots. The President doesn’t hate this country; I believe the extremist republicans hate this country because Obama is running this country. The President doesn’t cater to one race of people; he’s in this for all races of people. See, this is just an extreme far right post, which is designed to bate racism and hatred towards the President.
There is NO violation of the Constitution until a Federal Court rules it so. Do you mind telling us exactly what the heck you are talking about? That is important because people like you have been crying for years that Obama violates the Constitution every time you hear something you don’t like, which is totally incorrect.
Judge a man by his deeds. There a NO signs and portents to judge Obama as evil.
Obama, born in Hawaii, = US Citizenship. His parents could have been martians. Their citizenship is irrelevant. If you are born in the US, you are a US citizen as far as the US is concerned. The birthers claims with regard to Obama is that he was NOT born in Hawaii.
The proof is in the Pudding, this is NOT about protecting the Constitution, it never was.
This is about keeping the “White” in the White House! All Obama -haters are racists!
Calling the POTUS a POS and a fraud seems to the usual calling call for you right-wing racists and bigots like you!

Posted by: ZaMan at January 25, 2013 07:43 PM (8dQF7)

546 Hey ZaMan,

Fuck you.

When Bush tried to use recess appointments the cocksucker himself used the same gimmick.

He is a red diaper baby asshole.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 07:49 PM (LRFds)

547 Shorter Palinistas: WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!

Posted by: Shoot Me at January 25, 2013 08:15 PM (qiXMt)

548
Wow, fairly shocked at the "Palin not smart enough to be president" stuff. Wow. Sounds like a much dummer, much less experienced me 25 years ago, happily soaking up the self-important DC policy wonk scene. And no, that is not aimed at anyone else, it's a painful admission and memory. Most of the folks here, ace of course especially included, are very smart, very interesting, and clearly have their hearts in the right place.

As others have pointed out, there are many kinds of smart. And almost none of them, at any particular level, are critical to effective leadership in many executive positions.

It does not seem that many posters or commenters here have any experience in government or politics or policy or Beltway shenanigans. If they did, and had outgrown their youthful BS, they'd likewise arch an eyebrow at the line about Palin. Then again, I mostly see the most smug and misguided comments coming from folks who do not appear to have had any real political or policy experience - yet who clearly fancy themselves "realists".

And if the topics of "idol worship" or victimhood or "St Sarah" even crossed your mind just now, then you're not only someone without relevant experience or wisdom, you're probably a very shallow tribalistic sort who approaches politics like sports (our side's great! the other side sucks!). I've never typed Palin's name before this moment. I never worship any political figures. Or demonize them beyond what's merited.

So I don't have much to say about Palin quitting the governorship, on the merits. Or running/not running this last cycle. I don't care about political personalities, but about outcomes, values, rule of law, etc. But the shocking and despicable demonization of Palin and her family - and esp. the acceptance of that process by the "elites" and the press and much of the public - WAS a key element that forever altered (lowered) my estimation of the character of the country. The country has been degraded, just about across the board, and the 2008 race and aftermath are major milestones in that regard.

McCain was not/is not very smart. Truly. (This leaves aside his extreme temperamental unfitness for any executive position - his staff nickname in the 80s was "Psycho"). Very very mediocre on the intellect side, even by congressional standards.

Obama - well as many here seem to recognize, he's completely unimpressive, and uninteresting. Not just his remarkable ignorance and unworldliness (Austrian is a language, complete unfamiliarity with any important policy area from economics to national security to law to science), but his clear lack of brainpower, which shows up in almost everything he says or does. And politically, he is the most buffoonish and disastrously tin-eared mess of modern history ("bitter clingers" has no analogue in modern national politics). I had the perfect introduction to this disgraceful and disastrous idiot, having never heard of him until 24 hours before meeting him and then witnessing how a few of his colleagues (among the smartest members of congress, by far, at the time) regarded him with contempt and astonishment (that he was even thinking of running for president).

Biden. If the surreal scene played out since 2008 weren't enough, his having the VP spot deepens the inadequacy of words. When I want to remind former DC colleagues of how truly hallucinogenically bad things have become, I remind them of a few simple comparisons. Cheney, and Biden. Wolfowitz, and Bill Lynne (nice guy, fun to drink with - are you fucking kidding me, DepSecDef? Beyond absurd.)

So ace, sorry, it's not "elitism" that explains your bizarre statement that Palin was not smart enough to be VP. Not sure what it is, but it seems to me that it per force includes a rather naive and unsophisticated understanding of what "smart" and leadership are, and how they relate to each other in political office.

Buckley's fantastic line about the first 100 names of the Cambridge phone book are so much truer, and more painfully on point, then even the very smart people here (including ace) seem to realize (hey, I did say "seem").

Posted by: non-purist at January 25, 2013 09:13 PM (afQnV)

549 Even in ceding the point, Lowry feels the need to denounce some portion of his ideological allies as "lunatics."

Fuck NR.

Posted by: JohnKerryIsADoucheBag at January 26, 2013 01:23 AM (2T1u7)

550 Here's where Lowry goes off the rails, right at the end:

"Becoming an enduringly transformational figure like Reagan, though, is a different proposition. He will have to leave office adored. He will have to cement his legacy by winning a de facto third term"

Dude, the votes have already been counted and Obama is like FDR, Lincoln and Kennedy rolled up in a big Choom doobie. Cause he's not just a great President, he's cool too and stuff.

Posted by: East Bay Jay at January 26, 2013 03:02 AM (7v8o1)

551 Just the read the article on Politco.

The same fools that elected this fraud in the WH are continuing on the the Kool-aide and belief in fairies, unicorns, and truth from the WH.

Posted by: avagreen at January 26, 2013 06:04 PM (WR2rX)






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