Taranto on the Chicago Tribune's Embarassing Gun Correction: Ignorance Is a Form of Bias

The Chicago Tribune read an info-formative graphic which explained to its almost-as-ignorant readers that a buckle for affixing a carrying strap to a gun was in fact a mount for a bayonet, or, indeed, a "grenade launcher."

Taranto likes the error to Todd Akin's, and notes that, in an area where someone is ignorant, ideology has a way of filling in all the gaps of knowledge in a way that's ideologically helpful to the ignoramus.

Knowles's assertion that "this was a careless mistake" and not "an intentional deception" is surely true. But his denial of bias is not credible.

The episode reminds us of Todd Akin, the failed Missouri Senate candidate. Asked a question last summer about his position on abortion, Akin made some claims about the workings of the female reproductive system that were about as accurate as the gun graphic that occasioned the Trib's crow consumption.

Was Akin engaged in "an intentional deception"? That seems highly implausible, as it implies both that he knew that what he was saying was false and that he expected others to believe it was true. It's much likelier that, like Knowles and his staff at the Tribune, Akin was misinformed and made "a careless mistake."

It would be preposterous, however, to deny that Akin was biased. Indeed it seems obvious that he believed the falsehood in question because that falsehood made it easier to justify his ideological position to himself (and, he mistakenly believed, to others).

I think the same thing goes on with 9/11 Trutherism. It's usually easier to believe an Unbelievable Thing if you don't know much about it -- every bit of reading you do just might disprove that Unbelievable Thing you believe.

So, better to keep oneself virginal of any penetration by information.

The gun-sissies of the press find it easier to imagine that any gun which looks ugly is capable of automatic fire and so don't bother digging in any more deeply; they've heard enough from 2nd-amendment supporters to know that maybe that's false, but if they keep their brains hygienic, uncontaminated by dirty data, then they can assert that the AR-15 is an "automatic rifle" without having full knowledge of the falsity of this claim.

Posted by: Ace at 01:02 PM



Comments

1 Shorter version:

Journalists are tards.

Posted by: EC at January 25, 2013 01:04 PM (GQ8sn)

2 I no longer put the best face on my enemies lies.

Posted by: toby928© presents at January 25, 2013 01:05 PM (QupBk)

3 I just discovered that my neighbor's 3D printer can make an AR-15 High-Powered Assault Scope lens cap. I'm frightened and don't like him so how do I turn him in?

Posted by: t-bird at January 25, 2013 01:06 PM (FcR7P)

4 Maybe it's not ignorance.

Maybe it's "blood clots".

Posted by: St. Hillary the Forgetful at January 25, 2013 01:06 PM (EZl54)

5 All you had to say ACE was that ignorant sluts who know nothing about guns, should be authoring any papers on how to "control" guns.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2013 01:07 PM (9Bj8R)

6 People who get their news from liberal sources don't feel the need to seek out additional information, since those sources insist that they are telling the "whole story." And all the other liberal sources fall into line.

Conservative sources, on the other hand, have to persuade against the prevailing tide so they have to use, you know, facts and evidence and stuff like that.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 25, 2013 01:07 PM (xjpRj)

7 Shit that is should NOT be authoring papers

Crap I guess i should proof read my shit sometimes?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2013 01:07 PM (9Bj8R)

8 Ace,

Here you make a mistake.

Consult polls pre-Obama.

Large percentages of libs were truthers. Whose skepticism vanished around Jan 20th, 2009.

They are different from the die hard conspiracy theorists.

Posted by: Hopeless at January 25, 2013 01:09 PM (IqMNQ)

9 >>>Crap I guess i should proof read my shit sometimes?

I don't. Close enough. I got your meaning. that's good enough for this blog.

Posted by: ace at January 25, 2013 01:09 PM (LCRYB)

10 Love that Drudge pic of some Tibetan (?) archer looking like he's about to put an arrow through Biden's head.

LONGBOWS!!!

Posted by: EC at January 25, 2013 01:09 PM (GQ8sn)

11 Shorter version: Journalists are [strike]tards[/strike] targets.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at January 25, 2013 01:10 PM (6BgmB)

12 If they want to believe all AR-15s are full auto, then we should make it so.

Support state legislation to make CCW holders state militiamen, and issue ( or sell ) them M-4 burst fire lowers as state militia/police weapons.

Posted by: Kristophr at January 25, 2013 01:10 PM (wYVte)

13 Those flies that are always around Obama? They're actually drones under his personal, telepathic command, keeping America safe.

Posted by: Chicago Tribune at January 25, 2013 01:11 PM (FcR7P)

14 "The recognition of the insuperable limits to his knowledge ought indeed to teach the student of society a lesson of humility which should guard him against becoming an accomplice in man's fatal striving to control society - a striving which makes him not only a tyrant over his fellows, but which may well make him the destroyer of a civilization which no brain has designed but which has grown from the free efforts of millions of individuals."

- The Pretension of Knowledge, F. A. von Hayek

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 25, 2013 01:12 PM (xz0nG)

15 For the left, knowledge about firearms is akin to having knowledge about how to sexually seduce a child.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at January 25, 2013 01:12 PM (uhftQ)

16 Those flies that are always around Obama? They're actually drones under his personal, telepathic command, keeping America safe.

If I didn't know who he was, I'd swear I was looking at an ad for helping starving Africans.

Posted by: EC at January 25, 2013 01:13 PM (GQ8sn)

17
Love that Drudge pic of some Tibetan (?) archer looking like he's about to put an arrow through Biden's head.

LONGBOWS!!!


Mongolian, at a guess, and certainly not a longbow, but an asian horn-and-sinew composite recurved, possibly the finest bow ever designed.

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 25, 2013 01:13 PM (4vofC)

18 I think the same thing goes on with 9/11 Trutherism. It's usually
easier to believe an Unbelievable Thing if you don't know much about it
-- every bit of reading you do just might disprove that Unbelievable
Thing you believe.


See also Global Warming. Not that it's unbelievable per se, but the same reasoning goes on. Most people don't know much about it and any skeptic who tries to find out more is told he doesn't know enough.

It's Gnostic Science.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2013 01:13 PM (T0NGe)

19 30 year-old j-school graduates are the very last people who should be trying to shape anyone's opinions. But they are anyway.

Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at January 25, 2013 01:14 PM (QKKT0)

20
12 /police
cops have full auto M-4s?

Posted by: navycopjoe at January 25, 2013 01:14 PM (8nyQY)

21 Mongolian, at a guess, and certainly not a longbow, but an asian
horn-and-sinew composite recurved, possibly the finest bow ever
designed.


It's still a funny pic!

Posted by: EC at January 25, 2013 01:14 PM (GQ8sn)

22 Quick googling revealed over 50% of libs were truthers up till Jan 2009. And these are the peoplethat want to seize guns.

Posted by: Hopeless at January 25, 2013 01:14 PM (IqMNQ)

23
For the left, knowledge about firearms is akin to having knowledge about how to sexually seduce a child.

Both believe that such things are good for the elite but not for the commoners, so, yeah....

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 25, 2013 01:14 PM (4vofC)

24 20 NavyCopAJoe,

Depends on the department no?

I know some troopers have full auto.


Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 01:15 PM (LRFds)

25 Mongolian, at a guess, and certainly not a
longbow, but an asian horn-and-sinew composite recurved, possibly the
finest bow ever designed.

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 25, 2013 01:13 PM (4vofC)

Except for the crossbow.

*ducks*

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 25, 2013 01:15 PM (6Btru)

26
How many journalists and politicians on both sides are room temp IQ? Akin, Biden, Boehner. Even Obama seems mediocre when you really listen to him. It's like somebody is playing a joke on us.

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at January 25, 2013 01:15 PM (71iUa)

27 Those Obama flies, a clear sign he is Sith.

Posted by: Jean at January 25, 2013 01:15 PM (k8qQE)

28 15 For the left, knowledge about firearms is akin to having knowledge about how to sexually seduce a child.


Actually it's worse - Roman Polanski and the unnamed executives who molested the two 'Coreys' are celebrated.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 25, 2013 01:16 PM (uhAkr)

29 One would think Senate staffers would be a little brighter. Obviously not. Fienstein's gun list leave off about half of the so called "assault guns" made.

It includes others that are simply standard guns with folding stocks.

A Senator from San Francisco is not expected to know shit about guns, but she could hire someone on her staff that does.

What a joke.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 25, 2013 01:16 PM (wR+pz)

30 What's my asshole stepson up t?

Posted by: Zombie Lolo Soetoro at January 25, 2013 01:16 PM (Cm5S0)

31 For the left, knowledge about firearms is akin to having knowledge about how to sexually seduce a child.Both believe that such things are good for the elite but not for the commoners, so, yeah....
Posted by: Grey Fox
-----------------------
True. Forgot about their love of NAMBLA and Hollywood where the two Coreys got passed around like a pack of cigs.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at January 25, 2013 01:16 PM (uhftQ)

32 I used to carry the M203 grenade launcher attached to my M-16. Cool looking but not so useful (at least in my hands).

Posted by: lincolntf at January 25, 2013 01:17 PM (ZshNr)

33 Egads. Even "Anonymous" has come out for gun rights and against Zero's exec orders: http://bit.ly/VceTuD

Posted by: RushBabe at January 25, 2013 01:17 PM (tQHzJ)

34
24 well shit, I want a full auto
what the hell am I saying...I couldn't shoot the m-16 for shit let alone in full auto

Posted by: navycopjoe at January 25, 2013 01:17 PM (8nyQY)

35 What difference does it make!!11!

Posted by: Cross-eyed Hillary at January 25, 2013 01:17 PM (/ZZCn)

36 It's still a funny pic!
Posted by: EC at January 25, 2013 01:14 PM (GQ8sn
Yep, though I have to say that the bow rather than Biden is what grabs my attention, since I am on something of an archery kick. I just realized that I have wanted a bow for 25 years - since I was four or five - and have never had one, apart from the ones I made from a stick as a kid....

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 25, 2013 01:17 PM (4vofC)

37 I had lunch yesterday with a friend who's a forensic psychiatrist that has worked on Columbine and several other big-time shootings/serial killer cases.

We've never talked about politics, but I suspect he leans left. Nonetheless, when I asked him his thoughts about Newtown, his comment was, "This gun control stuff is total bullshit."

Posted by: jakeman at January 25, 2013 01:17 PM (VBMfv)

38 Regarding nothing in the article.


Just got in from having a smoke and had about 100 Right to Lifers pass by. Great looking group of kids (college age.) Not a FSA member to be seen.

Posted by: RWC at January 25, 2013 01:17 PM (fWAjv)

39 I just realized that I have wanted a bow for 25 years - since I was four
or five - and have never had one, apart from the ones I made from a
stick as a kid....



There's always Nerf.

Posted by: EC at January 25, 2013 01:18 PM (GQ8sn)

40 A Senator from San Francisco is not expected to know shit about guns, but she could hire someone on her staff that does.

What a joke.

Posted by: Billy Bob


If control is your aim, knowledge is superfluous.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 25, 2013 01:18 PM (xz0nG)

41 @40


Good point, she really wants them all.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 25, 2013 01:19 PM (wR+pz)

42

Heh, Drudge still using on of the Obama/fly photos.

Posted by: Meremortal, slutdrop the GOPe at January 25, 2013 01:20 PM (1Y+hH)

43
If control is your aim, knowledge is superfluous.

And the meaning of language can always be twisted to fit your agenda.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 25, 2013 01:20 PM (+z4pE)

44 Ace, nice post. I don't think the media understands nor do they want to understand how vigilant BATF has gotten making fairly certain that weapons are not easily converted either.

Take the Century Arms "Sporter Sterlings" that have gotten popular lately.

They look like the British SMG, and in fact share several traits with them, BUT since the Sterling SMG is full auto it is a simple blowback weapon firing from an open bolt, BATF was nervous enough that Century had to rework the Sterling to fire from a closed bolt to prevent a simple clip or weld from creating a simple blowback operated SMG.

http://tinyurl.com/3l43e3f

Truth About Gun sreview on the Sterling Sporter

Simply put there is NO WAY this is a military weapon, but it doesn't matter to the media because they WANT GUNS GONE.

All of this dancing is thus rendered a Kabuki theater, the "evil gun owners" have in fact already caved to the most sensible restrictions because they are already the law so all these histrionics ignore a lot of realities.

That is why I was on a "f*ck Fudd" tear yesterday.

If Fudd doesn't get what is really going on he should know better since he is in our community whereas the media and the idiot target audience of the media is not.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 01:20 PM (LRFds)

45 EC, enjoy the PVC longbow. google around - you can goto about 60lbs.

http://www.instructables.com/id/PVC-longbow/

Posted by: Jean at January 25, 2013 01:21 PM (k8qQE)

46 Bevel Lemelisk, I didn't read your post but also remembered what happend to the Corey's out of the blue.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at January 25, 2013 01:21 PM (uhftQ)

47 Speaking of Nerf, I was browsing the toy section at a Target with my son and I happened to notice all the new Nerf guns they had. They looked pretty f'n awesome now. They've got the Picatinny rails on some of the rifle looking ones, with the optics, flip-up sights, vertical grips, lights, etc. Very cool stuff.

Posted by: EC at January 25, 2013 01:21 PM (GQ8sn)

48 37 Jakeman,

It is bullshit, basically Barry is daring you to stop his overreach and the media is colluding with willful misinformation.

We could spend a million man hours trying to correct them, but facts are not their goal Jake outcome is.

It is why this current relationship between Obama and the media is terrifying.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 01:22 PM (LRFds)

49 Heh, Drudge still using on of the Obama/fly photos.


To quote the fly: "Jackpot!"

Posted by: t-bird at January 25, 2013 01:22 PM (FcR7P)

50 >>possibly the finest bow ever designed

Uh oh.

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 25, 2013 01:22 PM (SUKHu)

51 You can know enough to engage in a discussion on a given topic without being an expert on the topic. The difference between an adult and an ideologue comes in having enough self-awareness to understand what you know with certainty, what you don't know with certainty, and what you only think you know. This, coupled with a willingness to accept new information and test it against reality or personal experience.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 25, 2013 01:22 PM (1OZSU)

52 How many journalists and politicians on both sides are room temp IQ?
Akin, Biden, Boehner. Even Obama seems mediocre when you really listen
to him. It's like somebody is playing a joke on us.


Can I take this opportunity to point out that our main filter (although this doesn't apply to Akin) for politicians is law school.

No math, no dissertation and no competition from foreign students.

We have an education system that rewards mediocrity generally. The venerable Ivys are full of legacies and affirmative action admits who manage to graduate independent of test scores or work ethic.

Under a highly-competitive German or Japanese system, even the education school grads are intelligent.

Honestly, the only objective intellectual standard we have is math.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 25, 2013 01:23 PM (T0NGe)

53 but if they keep their brains hygienic, uncontaminated by dirty data, then they can assert that the AR-15 is an "automatic rifle" without having full knowledge of the falsity of this claim.

Where I'm from, they'd call you a liar.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2013 01:23 PM (GFM2b)

54 I would bet they knew. They lie as a matter of course. Damage done, correction unnoticed. Fuck them all the way to Hades.

Posted by: eureka! at January 25, 2013 01:23 PM (HPRku)

55 Large percentages of libs were truthers. Whose skepticism vanished around Jan 20th, 2009.



They are different from the die hard conspiracy theorists.


Not really. It still boils down to wanting to believe. In the case of Truthers (or hardcore Birthers), it's to see their political views validated that holds appeal.

It's not so different from the UFO and/or JFK conspiracy theorists. They might not be motivated by politics, but because they want to believe (for whatever reasons), they do. No amount of evidence or logical argument will sway them.


Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 25, 2013 01:23 PM (SY2Kh)

56
Someone needs to convince TFG that those flies *are* actually drones and they're *not* under his control.

The video of him running around the White House, flailing at thin air, knocking shit over, with a conga line of hangers-on running behind him would be epic.

Posted by: Jaws at January 25, 2013 01:24 PM (4I3Uo)

57 That last thread and this one got me to thinking that maybe we need a law to protect us from Automatic Thinking.

I just thought that up, on full auto.

Stand back!

Posted by: ontherocks at January 25, 2013 01:24 PM (aZ6ew)

58 > For the left, knowledge about firearms is akin to having knowledge about how to sexually seduce a child.

Valium and wine silly.

Posted by: Roman Polanski, liberal lover of the children at January 25, 2013 01:24 PM (ZWvOb)

59 >>Speaking of Nerf, I was browsing the toy section at a Target with my son and I happened to notice all the new Nerf guns they had. They looked pretty f'n awesome now.

We have a double-barrel shotgun and a mini-gun (Buzz Bee Air Warriors Overlord), among others.

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 25, 2013 01:24 PM (SUKHu)

60 Sven, all this talk about making 3D printed ARs is silly. Any machinist could crank out sten guns by the dozens using a junkyard for parts.

Posted by: Jean at January 25, 2013 01:24 PM (Io7hX)

61 Automatic AND conspiring against all of you!

Posted by: AR Fifteen and all of his cousins at January 25, 2013 01:24 PM (ndlFj)

62 Just got in from having a smoke and had about 100
Right to Lifers pass by. Great looking group of kids (college age.) Posted by: RWC at January 25, 2013 01:17 PM (fWAjv)

We had Dr. Martin Luther King's niece, Dr. Alveda King here in Tulsa lead a Pro-Life march here in Tulsa this week. Her testimony about abortion was moving. http://tinyurl.com/at45yrv

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 25, 2013 01:25 PM (kXoT0)

63 O/T: Megyn Kelly looks like a million bucks today. Yowza!

Posted by: Exit Ramp at January 25, 2013 01:25 PM (XxAYS)

64 46 Bevel Lemelisk, I didn't read your post but also remembered what happend to the Corey's out of the blue.


I think it left a deep impression on a lot of people.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 25, 2013 01:25 PM (uhAkr)

65 We had Dr. Martin Luther King's niece, Dr. Alveda King here in Tulsa
lead a Pro-Life march here in Tulsa this week. Her testimony about
abortion was moving. http://tinyurl.com/at45yrv



*waits for the MFM to call her racist*

Posted by: EC at January 25, 2013 01:25 PM (GQ8sn)

66 It is why this current relationship between Obama and the media is terrifying.

Amen, brother. It is something to behold in awe, like the monolith in 2001.

Posted by: jakeman at January 25, 2013 01:26 PM (VBMfv)

67 > I think it left a deep impression on a lot of people.

More like abrasions and swelling, but yes.


Posted by: Corey and Corey at January 25, 2013 01:26 PM (ZWvOb)

68 police cops have full auto M-4s?

My ex f-i-l (chief deputy) had an MP5 in his trunk. White bullet, red bullet, lots of red bullets.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2013 01:27 PM (GFM2b)

69 rWC, you down here freezing your ass off too?

Posted by: Jean at January 25, 2013 01:27 PM (Io7hX)

70 I wonder which gun they would find more menacing if you showed them side by side images of an AR15 and a BAR?

linked to the image I would use for the BAR

http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/machine/mg36/bar1918.jpg

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 25, 2013 01:27 PM (81UWZ)

71 We have a double-barrel shotgun and a mini-gun (Buzz Bee Air Warriors Overlord), among others.

Yes, my son wanted the mini-gun on the tripod for Christmas. I'm starting to think that Nerf is the best pro-2nd Amdt company out there, next to the real gun makers.

Posted by: EC at January 25, 2013 01:27 PM (GQ8sn)

72 I think it left a deep impression on a lot of people.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk
--------------------
And it still seems to be happening. How horrible.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at January 25, 2013 01:27 PM (uhftQ)

73 More 'under the radar' shit from TFG and his assorted fucks.



A report received yesterday by Gun Rights Examiner indicates at least one military installation is still destroying expended ammunition brass, despite a furor raised in the gun community a few years back that resulted in two senators intervening to stop the practice and allow for its resale for reloading. The Dec. 2012 Integrated Solid Waste Management Plan for Fort Drum, N.Y., marked “Revision 1,” describes its policy for brass and expended munitions as part of its installation recycling program, which includes rendering expended ammunition brass unsuitable for anything but scrap.

Posted by: RWC at January 25, 2013 01:28 PM (fWAjv)

74 40--- "If control is your aim, knowledge is superfluous."
Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 25, 2013 01:18 PM (xz0nG)

The ancients believed that knowledge is power.
But we know the mere semblance of knowledge will do.
"The point is not to understand the world, but to change it."

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 25, 2013 01:28 PM (C8mVl)

75 Mongolian, at a guess, and certainly not a

longbow, but an asian horn-and-sinew composite recurved, possibly the

finest bow ever designed.



Posted by: Grey Fox at January 25, 2013 01:13 PM (4vofC)

Except for the crossbow.

*ducks*


Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 25, 2013 01:15 PM (6Btru)



In the spirit of comity and oneness, I think we can all agree that the best bow is the one Daryl Dixon is currently holding.


So it is written so shall it be done.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Take us away. at January 25, 2013 01:29 PM (Gk3SS)

76 60 Jean,

It's true Jean but I support it because it causes the libs to out their true agenda.

You can make a weapon from simple sheet metal if you are willing to take risks.

The fact is at the end of the day as was pointed out here what they claim to want is a risk free world and that is simply impossible in a world with ANY freedom.

The Bath School murders in the '20s would still have been possible for the Sandy Hook killer to do if motivated.

Risk is a necessary part of freedom.

That includes the risk of having an armed principal or guard.

The libs just want control.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 01:29 PM (LRFds)

77 Yeh, my son got that one, EC.

But both I mentioned are made by Buzz Bee, not Nerf.

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 25, 2013 01:29 PM (SUKHu)

78
Is this bad news?:

Senators agree to Reid and McConnell's filibuster reform measures
http://tinyurl.com/aye66br

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at January 25, 2013 01:29 PM (71iUa)

79 That is why I was on a "f*ck Fudd" tear yesterday.

If Fudd doesn't get what is really going on he should know better since he is in our community whereas the media and the idiot target audience of the media is not.


Fudd is hoping the gator eats him last.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2013 01:29 PM (GFM2b)

80 I think it left a deep impression on a lot of people.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk
--------------------
And it still seems to be happening. How horrible.
Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at January 25, 2013 01:27 PM (uhftQ)

Yep, thats why I think most stage moms should be burned at the stake.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 01:29 PM (l86i3)

81 Ignorance and bias walk hand-in-hand. Just ask Piers Morgan.

Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at January 25, 2013 01:30 PM (BvTwT)

82 69 rWC, you down here freezing your ass off too?

Posted by: Jean at January 25, 2013 01:27 PM (Io7hX)

Yep. Sucks that it is noticeably warmer today at a balmy 25 degrees.

Posted by: RWC at January 25, 2013 01:30 PM (fWAjv)

83 Buzzsaw: Ooo Ooo, I'll handle that one! Wood stock=not scary.

Posted by: jakeman at January 25, 2013 01:30 PM (VBMfv)

84 Navycopjoe: The M-4 is a three round burst fire weapon.

And yes, some police departments have gone full-retard in militarization, and issued them.

Using a lawfully issued M-4 lower and a full auto bolt carrier to upgrade a civilian AR-15 is an easy task.


Posted by: Kristophr at January 25, 2013 01:30 PM (wYVte)

85 which includes rendering expended ammunition brass unsuitable for anything but scrap.

In other words, their recycling program is to prevent recycling. Sustainability for the children!

Posted by: t-bird at January 25, 2013 01:31 PM (FcR7P)

86 O/T For those NASCAR fans like me, it appears that Danica Patrick is now dating Ricky Stenhouse JR. Once the ladies get some hillbilly pecker they are ruined. No more Metrosexuals.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 01:31 PM (l86i3)

87 "Taranto likens the error to Todd Akin's..."

FIFY.

Posted by: Serious Cat at January 25, 2013 01:32 PM (UypUQ)

88 63
O/T: Megyn Kelly looks like a million bucks today. Yowza!

Posted by: Exit Ramp at January 25, 2013 01:25 PM (XxAYS)

What day doesn't she?

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 25, 2013 01:32 PM (wR+pz)

89 83
Buzzsaw: Ooo Ooo, I'll handle that one! Wood stock=not scary.


Heh: http://tinyurl.com/aza2ktz

Posted by: Kristophr at January 25, 2013 01:32 PM (wYVte)

90 The Dutch museum of the Resistance had a display of Sten guns made by the underground while underGerman occupation. If the Gestapo couldn't stop the Resistance how is BATF going to stopus?

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at January 25, 2013 01:33 PM (6BgmB)

91 What day doesn't she?
Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 25, 2013 01:32 PM (wR+pz)


That woman would look good in a tater sack.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 01:33 PM (l86i3)

92 90 The Dutch museum of the Resistance had a display of Sten guns made by the underground while underGerman occupation. If the Gestapo couldn't stop the Resistance how is BATF going to stopus?

---

Someone please remind the Vice President that the Dutch resistance members are from the NetherLANDS and not the Nether Regions...

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 25, 2013 01:33 PM (e0xKF)

93 Sven, I think they are pushing the gun control agenda more as an indirect method, they cynically think that this crap, which cannot pass, will 1) keep their base pumped up despite the economy, and 2) inflame somebody to do something stupid - which then allows them to advance their agenda.

Posted by: Jean at January 25, 2013 01:34 PM (2aO3a)

94 65 ..... Dr. Martin Luther King's niece, Dr. Alveda King here in Tulsa ....
*waits for the MFM to call her racist*
Posted by: EC at January 25, 2013 01:25 PM (GQ8sn)

They don't need to call her racist.
They just ignore her. Like the tree falling in the forest, she doesn't exist.
The suppression of knowledge is power.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 25, 2013 01:34 PM (C8mVl)

95 79 RickB223,

Yup pretty much he is rentseeking.

Not to reignitie the holy Palin Jihad, or the Akin wars and God knows on Akin I am as guilty as anyone but we have to fight back and not help marginalize our idiots.

I caved and went nuts because I know the battlescape is uneven but I was SO desperate to get the senate back that I engaged in a strategic wrong wanting the tactical cookie.

Had EVERY GOP voice gotten back in their face with stupid democrat tricks like tilting Guam it may not have helped but it would have weakened the media's power to bullshit the people.

Split milk, but lesson learned on my part.

Ace you're a lot calmer than I am on these things, perhaps you can make the point more seriously?

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 01:34 PM (LRFds)

96 1) keep their base pumped up despite the economy, and 2) inflame somebody to do something stupid - which then allows them to advance their agenda.

---

I don't see #1 happening.

#2, though, could happen if they push hard enough and in the right places.

I figure that some fucktard like Cuomo will send the ATF after private gun owners in his state with no-knock raids and the guy in question will plug some federal agents in self-defense.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 25, 2013 01:35 PM (e0xKF)

97 Someone please remind the Vice President that the Dutch resistance members are from the NetherLANDS and not the Nether Regions...
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 25, 2013 01:33 PM (e0xKF)

I respectfully disagree, unless an individual was shit on a rock and left to dry in the sun, we all originate in the nether regions. With is why we all will sell our souls to get back home.


I knew what you meant.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 01:36 PM (l86i3)

98 "I think the same thing goes on with 9/11 Trutherism. It's usually
easier to believe an Unbelievable Thing if you don't know much about it
-- every bit of reading you do just might disprove that Unbelievable
Thing you believe."

HA, I ran into that yesterday at twitchy... saw someone questioning the 9/11 story claiming the towers fell into their own footprints perfectly, and didn't damage any other buildings.

In his defense, when presented with pictures/maps/etc. in a study showing the damage (4 destroyed buildings, 9 major damage, 18 moderate damage) the person who made the original comment admitted to having been misinformed and changed his opinion some.

To be perfectly honest I knew 1-2 buildings had their facade damaged but didn't know the extent of the further damage to other buildings in the area either until I looked; but the claim "it only damaged a few buildings, and all Lehman buildings" seemed extraordinarily unlikely.

Not surprisingly the reason that claim seemed unlikely is because it was wrong. Took me maybe 2 minutes to find a PDF with pictures, maps, details of all the damage, etc. all compiled into one paper.

If someone tells you something that sounds questionable; double check before you believe it. How do people not know this?

I guess their parents didn't lie to them to try to force them to use the encyclopedias when they were children. Dad told interesting stories if you asked him something you could look up... completely untrue, but interesting.

Posted by: gekkobear at January 25, 2013 01:36 PM (X0NX1)

99 93 Jean,

In the past I'd have agreed at once, BUT I think they are using dad babies to try to grab as much as they can and lay the groundwork for deference to the validity of EOs on core Bill of Rights rights.

We'll see.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 01:36 PM (LRFds)

100 Reminds me of this exchange I had with Bob Owens on Twitter.

"Approached a MSM bigwig 2 days ago, with suggestion to hire a firearms editor to "proof" stories. No response."

This goes beyond mere ignorance. They are actively engaged in preserving their lack of knowledge about guns (and a whole host of other topics).

http://goo.gl/8PeHC

Posted by: Andy at January 25, 2013 01:36 PM (C/NnJ)

101 91 What day doesn't she? Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 25, 2013 01:32 PM (wR+pz)
I like to imagine myself as a Megyn Kelly connoisseur of sorts. I meticulously track the sheer awesomeness of her appearance day to day. And I'm tellin you, she's white hot today.
Yes, I have no life.

Posted by: Exit Ramp at January 25, 2013 01:36 PM (XxAYS)

102 rWC, yeah, where the snow?

Posted by: Jean at January 25, 2013 01:37 PM (2aO3a)

103 Yep, thats why I think most stage moms should be burned at the stake.

I almost think we should propose a bill outlawing child actors. It would be interesting to see who would howl the loudest in Hollywood.

And I suspect that would indicate who has more than money invested in it.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 25, 2013 01:37 PM (uhAkr)

104
It is kind of fascinating in the human mind's ability to consider the thing most impossible and highly complicated (9/11 truther the govt did it) as more likely vs the actual simplest action (9 muzzie nut jobs hijack planes).

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 25, 2013 01:37 PM (p/cQy)

105 >>Heh: http://tinyurl.com/aza2ktz

Kristophr, not scary in the least. I'll take 3, please.

Posted by: jakeman at January 25, 2013 01:37 PM (VBMfv)

106 I wonder which gun they would find more menacing if you showed them side by side images of an AR15 and a BAR?

Better yet- show them side by side pictures of two Mini-14 rifles.

One outfitted with pistol grip, folding stock, muzzle brake, forward grip and 30 round magazine inserted.

The other with no magazine, a scope, and wood stock.

Same rifle, but you're likely to get two different responses.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 25, 2013 01:38 PM (SY2Kh)

107 23

For the left, knowledge about firearms is akin to having knowledge about how to sexually seduce a child.

Both believe that such things are good for the elite but not for the commoners, so, yeah....

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 25, 2013 01:14 PM (4vofC)
BOOM HEADSHOT!Well played.

Posted by: gekkobear at January 25, 2013 01:38 PM (X0NX1)

108 I taught an OAS class the basics of sten gun manufacture, back in the day when that was cool.

Posted by: Jean at January 25, 2013 01:38 PM (2aO3a)

109 I taught an OAS class the basics of sten gun manufacture, back in the day when that was cool.
Posted by: Jean at January 25, 2013 01:38 PM (2aO3a)


I hope you kept your notes, you may be teaching it again.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 01:39 PM (l86i3)

110
The one issue with the Sten gun was the bolt spring, IIRC. Since the Sten was a simple blowback weapon, getting the spring strength correct was fairly critical to the reliable operation of the weapon, and, moreover, was hard to do without professional heat-treating facilities, so the British supplied those ready-made to the Resistance.
(not sure if my terminology is correct, but hopefully y'all can figure it out).

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 25, 2013 01:39 PM (4vofC)

111 Andy: The press doesn't want correcting. They just want to not get caught.

This all started with Josh Sugarmann at the VPC, who came up with the entire notion of deliberately confusing self-loading rifles with full-auto assault rifles in order to ban self-loading rifles.

Posted by: Kristophr at January 25, 2013 01:40 PM (wYVte)

112 Sven, at 99 I think it is interesting that courts are using Heller to kick their ass on other issues, I am waiting for the wailing when a court uses Obamacare opinion to stop some other commerce clause idiocy.

Posted by: Jean at January 25, 2013 01:40 PM (2aO3a)

113 Yes. The gun-grabbers are fixated almost entirely on cosmetic, superficial, and ultimately irrelevant issues of how 'scary' a particular firearm appears -- obsessing in many cases over the stock and fittings, rather than issues of firepower. Whether this is all ignorance, or part of a larger stratagem to gull the weak-minded into supporting bans...hard to say.

Posted by: Stu-22 at January 25, 2013 01:41 PM (k4bdL)

114 109 OSP,

The Sterling was mostly a product-improved Sten, and the M-3 was a simplified iteration of the Thompson.

They simply cannot stop the tide if enough of us create "second selves" with Vo Tech skills.

I'm one to talk, but I plan to fix it.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 01:42 PM (LRFds)

115 That includes the risk of having an armed principal or guard.The libs just want control.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 01:29 PM (LRFds)

*****

Sven- trying to tread the fine line between not posting a text wall and not posting a link to a lib site, I'll try this:
In regard to the lib argument against armed guards in schools. From the Center for American Progress, a list of why Communities of Color should be interested in gun control:


"6. The militarization of school safety and orderliness most heavily impacts children of color. In the wake of recent school shootings, members of the National Rifle Association, the nation’s largest gun lobby, have suggested putting armed police officers in every school. But research shows that increased police presence in schools disproportionately affects youth of color, driving the school-to-prison pipeline and leading to youths’ unnecessary involvement in the justice system."

I'll give the link if anyone really wants it.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 25, 2013 01:42 PM (1OZSU)

116 Crap that was SOA, effing phone spellcheck has a liberal mind of its own.

Posted by: Jean at January 25, 2013 01:42 PM (2aO3a)

117 School-to-prison pipeline?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 25, 2013 01:43 PM (1OZSU)

118 112 Jean,

hell if I allowed myself comfort I would allow myself the luxury to believe that Roberts really does have a plan beyond hesitancy to undo law.

You could use the increased nature of the Obamacare ruling to possibly undo Kelo.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 01:43 PM (LRFds)

119
I'm one to talk, but I plan to fix it.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 01:42 PM (LRFds)

I have very good vocational skills. But other than shooting and cleaning, I lack the skills to build a bang stck from scratch. I am however, easily taught.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 01:44 PM (l86i3)

120 Seamus, my gob is smacked. Just wow.

Posted by: jakeman at January 25, 2013 01:44 PM (VBMfv)

121 Out here, back to peaceful protest mode, sigh

Posted by: Jean at January 25, 2013 01:44 PM (2aO3a)

122 But research shows that increased police presence in schools disproportionately affects youth of color, driving the school-to-prison pipeline and leading to youths’ unnecessary involvement in the justice system."

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So... CAP is saying that "having an officer there means people won't give 'youth of color' a pass on illegal behavior"?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 25, 2013 01:45 PM (e0xKF)

123 It is kind of fascinating in the human mind's ability to consider the
thing most impossible and highly complicated (9/11 truther the govt did
it) as more likely vs the actual simplest action (9 muzzie nut jobs
hijack planes).


That's much of the appeal for them.

While the rest of us sheeple buy into the much simpler official story, THEY know the TRUTH, which is far more complex.

Short answer: It's a way for dumb, gullible people to convince themselves that they're really the smart, informed ones while the rest of us are the easily duped fools.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 25, 2013 01:46 PM (SY2Kh)

124 104 It is kind of fascinating in the human mind's ability to consider the thing most impossible and highly complicated (9/11 truther the govt did it) as more likely vs the actual simplest action (9 muzzie nut jobs hijack planes).
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 25, 2013 01:37 PM (p/cQy)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Did somebody need a shave?

Posted by: Occam at January 25, 2013 01:46 PM (1OZSU)

125 unnecessary involvement in the justice system."

I'll give the link if anyone really wants it.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 25, 2013 01:42 PM (1OZSU)

Oh, I get that. If the police were not present, they could continue on their rampent lawlessness. Who would want to stop that?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 01:46 PM (l86i3)

126 Better yet- show them side by side pictures of two Mini-14 rifles.

One outfitted with pistol grip, folding stock, muzzle brake, forward grip and 30 round magazine inserted.

The other with no magazine, a scope, and wood stock.

Same rifle, but you're likely to get two different responses.


Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 25, 2013 01:38 PM (SY2Kh)
*********

Yes. This. The handling of the versions of the Mini-14 in the Di-Fi bill is perhaps the best illustration of the idiocy and ignorance.

Posted by: Stu-22 at January 25, 2013 01:46 PM (k4bdL)

127 117 School-to-prison pipeline?

---

Probably not far from the truth in the cases of some public schools.

Hell, prisons are probably safer than some schools in my area because of the guys with shotguns and cattle prods standing there at the former.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 25, 2013 01:46 PM (e0xKF)

128 115 Seamus Muldoon,

Which is the left's one stop shopping catch all for not doing ANYTHING of sense.

You recall me saying I am pondering giving away instant immersion CDs on Spanish to my circle?

That is why we need to make our case in Spanish and start giving direct partisan charitable aid to the newcomers coupled with our case for freedom.

Hell the Horde ought to have a goddamned pay-pal account and treasurer who sends it gratis out of a revolving petty cash fund to ANY interested member.

We do not need to be afraid if illegals, we need to be afraid of the lack of civics education in this nation across all language and cultural spectrum.

If anything the language barrier may help us on that front in a way Jack Kemp couldn't quite finish with African-Americans as a whole.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 01:47 PM (LRFds)

129 Hell, prisons are probably safer than some schools in my area because of the guys with shotguns and cattle prods standing there at the former.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 25, 2013 01:46 PM (e0xKF)


Yep, they used to use pepper spray but the cons just put it on their french fries.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 01:48 PM (l86i3)

130 Ignorance also makes a handy-dandy excuse when you get caught making shit up. If you're a liberal, that is.

It works slick as a whistle because in the media there is no stigma attached to ignorance about stuff liberals don't like. "Oh well, he doesn't have to actually know shit about that, because he's bloviating about it for the children."

But if you're a conservative you had better have credentials and experience in any subject you dare open your mouth about, because you are speaking with the intention to support evil, specifically the only form of evil that liberals actually believe exists, the evil of not being one of them.

Posted by: sherlock at January 25, 2013 01:48 PM (bCSgp)

131 So... CAP is saying that "having an officer there means people won't give 'youth of color' a pass on illegal behavior"?
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 25, 2013 01:45 PM (e0xKF)

*****

Yeah, I read it as willingness to infringe on Constitutional rights of law abiding citizens, but not on criminal activities of certain kids, just because they are, as they put it, "people of color". The hypocrisy just sizzles.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 25, 2013 01:49 PM (1OZSU)

132 131 Samus Muldoon,

and that is what this is really all about...

the criminals are part of their fucking coalition.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 01:51 PM (LRFds)

133 129 Hell, prisons are probably safer than some schools in my area because of the guys with shotguns and cattle prods standing there at the former.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 25, 2013 01:46 PM (e0xKF)


Yep, they used to use pepper spray but the cons just put it on their french fries.

---

I visited LA State Penitentiary at Angola once...

The guards there have riot shields with tasers built into them and told us "We're only supposed to use them 10 seconds at a time, but no one tends to have a stopwatch when we're working."

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 25, 2013 01:54 PM (e0xKF)

134 The Tribune devolved into a lefty rag years ago. It's readership is in decline and hopefully it, with the rest of the MFM, will be a thing of the past

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 25, 2013 01:55 PM (1Jaio)

135 We begin tonight with a question: what if you had a gun that was entirely made of plastic, where all the components of the gun were high strength enough so the gun would function as a gun, but none of it was metal, so it wouldn‘t be detected by metal detectors? That means that everyone that is protected by metal detectors from the Capitol building to an airport to an event to see the president, you‘d be able to get your gun in there, scot-free. You could walk right through a metal detector with your gun and nobody would know you had that gun.

-Rachel Maddow - Supergenius

Posted by: RWC at January 25, 2013 01:55 PM (fWAjv)

136 Since y'all seemed to like that one, here is the next part of the same paragraph from C(r)AP:


"Studies have shown that the more interaction a young person has with the criminal justice system, the more likely they are to come into contact with the criminal justice system in the future. This dynamic works to push a disproportionate number of black and Latino students out of school and into the criminal justice system."


How do you spell 'circular logic'?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 25, 2013 01:56 PM (1OZSU)

137 this comparison is rather tenuous. a politician citing a fact, even if wrong, was done from memory or rather offhandedly from an invalid source during an interview, though yes colored by bias. sitting down to compose an investigative piece on something so "assaulty" as these guns followed by three levels of fact checking is just knowingly passing along untruths or at best a gross negligence of effort and responsibility, and that negligence is not solely that of the writer but of the entire operation, which did nothing to correct it.

Posted by: matt foley at January 25, 2013 01:57 PM (ES9kw)

138 135 RWC,

I used to carry a gun everyday when I was in personal protection. Nobody knew I had a gun either Mr. Maddow. What the hell is it to you unless I need to use it on you?

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 01:59 PM (LRFds)

139 Tell Rachel Maddog that you can make an all plastic hand grenade much more easily than an all plastic handgun.

Posted by: Kristophr at January 25, 2013 02:04 PM (wYVte)

140 128 --- You really have nailed what we have to do in the immigrant community. It has nothing to do with PC race pandering or amnesty or stuff like that.
We have to get down on the ground and educate people. (Yeah, help them too.)

Now that I have been Obamacared out of a fulltime job, I am making the contacts to do it.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 25, 2013 02:04 PM (C8mVl)

141 140 Margarita DeVille,

They already have some of the traits needed to believe in it in some cases.

Talk to your local GOP about it.

This is vital or they will kill our way of life.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 02:05 PM (LRFds)

142 Margarita DeVille: Find school districts that pimp multicultural crap like making all lessons in Spanish. Go there to run your own program.

Once immigrants are here legally, the first thing they want for their kids is an education in English, despite the libtards.

Posted by: Kristophr at January 25, 2013 02:07 PM (wYVte)

143 Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 01:59 PM (LRFds)

That is why gun owners need to be identified. Maybe an arm band of some sort.


David Gregory openly breaks the law - nothing.

Man who saved a child from being eaten by 3 pit bulls - D.C. police said they are reviewing the incident and have left open the possibility that the neighbor could be charged with violating the District’s gun laws.

Posted by: RWC at January 25, 2013 02:07 PM (fWAjv)

144 "Man who saved a child from being eaten by 3 pit bulls - D.C. police said
they are reviewing the incident and have left open the possibility that
the neighbor could be charged with violating the District’s gun laws."


Use a handgun to save a life in a victim-disarmament zone? Just shut up and walk away.

Posted by: Kristophr at January 25, 2013 02:08 PM (wYVte)

145 143 RWC,

Yup they are rapidly and openly going up the ladder of Solzhenitsyn's notions on law and tyranny.

Part of why I want divorce.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 02:09 PM (LRFds)

146 144 Kristophr,

Which was the real lesson of the literary "Death Wish."

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 02:09 PM (LRFds)

147 "I think the same thing goes on with 9/11 Trutherism."

WWII agent GARBO from Spain, employed by the British, proved that the more ridiculously unbelievable the lie, the more acceptable and more effective as propaganda.

But remember that many people fail to address all sources of disinformation, smugly demanding that popularity determine which disinformation sources to identify according to popular bias and prejudice. The rest of the disinformation profligates of propaganda? Not a hill's battle worth addressing. Nothing to see there...move along.

Also, there are those original sources of real information, reworded or misquoted in order to "prove" the original record foolish or disingenuous, made into targets to ridicule for sounding so stupid. Kill the messenger and the message.

Many bring up 9-11-01 without mentioning two basic realities that have yet to be rectified for public record. First, the 9-11 commissioners disavowed their own report after becoming aware that federal witnesses had been coerced by their superiors to give false and/or limited testimony under oath. It could simply have been to CYA; but given perjury and no follow-up testimony or prosecution for perjury, the record is not correct. Second, the public is yet denied access to the commission's files though the initial waiting period was 8 years, the excuse given being to avoid influencing the outcome of national elections. Each time the records are to be unsealed, the waiting period is extended to await the next national election in order to not influence the vote...

Having reminded readers of these current circumstances where the documents are still unavailable for scholarly research or public access, idiotic morons will cry "truther" intending to smear this voice as if I do not know that ore is smelted to refine into metal which of course melts under enough heat. All things can be incinerated given the circumstances for destruction. And extreme structures, such as the twin towers, have their architectural flaws paradoxically accompanying their virtues. Not to mention, it didn't help awarding construction contracts to union organizations, some run by crooks cutting corners, corrupting the architectural integrity.

Posted by: panzernashorn at January 25, 2013 02:10 PM (MhA4j)

148 Try having a discussion with someone that's anti-Wall Street.

"The banks were selling things that were backed by mortgages and the mortgages weren't even there! It's FRAUD!!!!11!eleventytwo"

These people don't even know how much they don't know, but they want to believe sooooooooo bad.

Posted by: Mike Jonze at January 25, 2013 02:14 PM (epWQP)

149

So, better to keep oneself virginal of any penetration by information.


The gun-sissies of the press find it easier to imagine that any gun
which looks ugly is capable of automatic fire and so don't bother
digging in any more deeply; they've heard enough from 2nd-amendment
supporters to know that maybe that's false, but if they keep their
brains hygienic, uncontaminated by dirty data, then they can assert that
the AR-15 is an "automatic rifle" without having full knowledge of the
falsity of this claim.







Before I purged the last of the leftists from my circle of acquaintances, I used to try to get them to the range, telling them that for their first trip, I'd provide everything: guns, ammo, eye/ear protection, even the range fee. They just needed to be willing to follow range rules/commands and be willing to learn a few basics.

Promised that I'd leave the politics behind for the duration of the range trip, and expected them to do the same. Told 'em the truth, that NO ONE is going to change their mind about guns simply from a single range trip, and that my only goal was to provide them with a learning experience so that they'd have accurate information about how guns work, and it was up to them to decide how to integrate that info into their own viewpoint on guns, even if it reinforced their anti viewpoint, at least it would be based in part on real personal experience rather than hearsay.

I even had a little joke where I'd tell 'em "there's no such thing as gun cooties, you're not going to turn into a Republican just from touching a gun".

No takers. Most would actually *cringe* at the thought of getting first-hand knowledge, even with all the qualifiers that I put out there.

Willful ignorance, thy name is leftist.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 25, 2013 02:16 PM (TIIx5)

150 re: "Honestly, the only objective intellectual standard we have is math."

It's not objective. It's an artificial specialty language that most intelligent people don't know (beyond the equivalent of being able to say "enchilada" so you can order one).

I went to an art-fag high school that never got past Algebra II, and I crammed enough in like four hours to bring my math SAT up past MIT's cutoff. That is not serious intellectual business--not at the level we test ("enchiladas con pollo, por favor").

Regardless, for the existing political class, the only somewhat objective measure of their intelligence we have are those history/law/etc. quizzes that polling firms give out every once in a while. Politicians--or their staffers, our next-generation rulers from All The Good Schools--are always outscored massively by average citizens. By random idiots!

So politicians are dumb--dumber than "us," and much dumber than us. And, so?

Lenin was a genius. Obama's half an idiot. So was Mao. Nixon, Coolidge, and Washington were smarter than Pol Pot and dumber than Jefferson and Hitler and Queen Victoria, who weren't as smart as Wilson. Stalin was retarded. Etc.

There's no pattern but the absence of a pattern. Politicians' being dumb (or not) isn't the problem--or any kind of problem at all. Politicians' being politicians is. And that can't be solved.

Posted by: oblig. at January 25, 2013 02:18 PM (cePv8)

151 Willful ignorance, thy name is leftist.


Posted by: IllTemperedCur

LOL, sinister. Latin for "left".

Posted by: panzernashorn at January 25, 2013 02:18 PM (MhA4j)

152 Politicians' being dumb (or not) isn't the
problem--or any kind of problem at all. Politicians' being politicians
is. And that can't be solved.

Posted by: oblig.

**

Jerry Doyle scoffs at term-limit legislation. "Don't re-elect the politician."

I agree that there are too many laws on the books, etc., particularly since only some are enforced according to political bias.

After FDR, I am glad that Congress' law limits any POTUS to two consecutive terms.

However, given that "modern" Presidents disregard all laws deemed by themselves to be cumbersome, irrelevant or "wrong", and that Presidents exercise dictatorial executive orders outrageously unconstitutional, no one should be surprised when a President runs for a third consecutive term.

Posted by: panzernashorn at January 25, 2013 02:27 PM (MhA4j)

153 Fake but true, comes to mind here.

Posted by: torabora at January 25, 2013 03:43 PM (VJeJd)

154 I can neither confirm nor deny that I just won an M4 in a raffle. Heh.

Posted by: EROWMER at January 25, 2013 09:23 PM (kxlCQ)






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