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1 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 09:24 AM (8y9MW)

2 I'm going to repost this here.

Man forced to remove his shirt on Quantas flight because passengers were complaining of being scared of it. It was an Inigo Montoya shirt.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/az4kefq

The stupid.....it burns.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at January 25, 2013 09:25 AM (qFpRI)

3 underage hookers?

Posted by: Ette at January 25, 2013 09:25 AM (nqBYe)

4 Oh, and it seems like Rand Paul is the only person in DC with any sense or balls.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at January 25, 2013 09:26 AM (qFpRI)

5 wasn't He the guy with the assistant in his campaigns that got busted for being a pedophile After menendez 'won of course?

Posted by: Ette at January 25, 2013 09:27 AM (nqBYe)

6 Why is it okay to bomb Libya but not Cambodia?

Because uh 10s of uh thousands look uh those are OUR drones we were pissed at Nixon er...


fuck Kerry

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 09:27 AM (LRFds)

7 Yes, kudos to Rand Paul for doing more than blowing kisses at Reporting for Doody, although he should've had some follow ups for Lurch's limp dick responses. Although it wouldn't have mattered because I'm sure McRINO was glaring at RP for irritating his friend. What a poor excuse for an opposition party.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 25, 2013 09:28 AM (+nOS5)

8 sven, sven, They really don't have issues with war. they have issues with republicans having the american people back a REP. president during war.

it's all b.s.

Posted by: Ette at January 25, 2013 09:29 AM (nqBYe)

9 There is no opposition party.

Posted by: eman at January 25, 2013 09:30 AM (jp2Ur)

10 Rand Paul is a ZIONIST!!!!!

He's playing for the nomination.

Loved his questioning of Kerry. Long faced Doofus

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at January 25, 2013 09:30 AM (FsUAO)

11 That smart meter woman just should have gone to Costco and bought the three-pack of aluminum foil. That way she can increase the thickness of her anti-smart-meter helmet and wouldn't have incurred the expense of an arrest.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 25, 2013 09:31 AM (GsoHv)

12 8 ette,

A lot of us were pointing that out during "Mother Sheehan blessed creatur of light's" deification by the media here.

Al Gore could have nuked all the middle east and the media would have been okay with it.

They need to pay for their partisanship.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 09:31 AM (LRFds)

13
I'd like to propose a slight revision to one of the links: DEMOCRAT Bob Menendez, DEMOCRAT, Under Investigation for Sleeping with Underage Hookers.

It's a good day for a screwing, is it not?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 25, 2013 09:31 AM (+z4pE)

14 Just glad the Malathion chased the fruit fly away from previous thread.

Why Libya gets bombed? They lacked Jon Cary ahd his mystery hat.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 09:32 AM (Mj6r9)

15 I'd like to propose a slight revision to one of the links: DEMOCRAT Bob
Menendez, DEMOCRAT, Under Investigation for Sleeping with Underage
Hookers.


This. Completely this.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 09:33 AM (8y9MW)

16 Electoral Fix Could Backfire On The GOP

This idea seems to be opposed by Democrats and the GOP Establishment is wishy-washy about it.

Both of which are indicators it must be a fantastic idea.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at January 25, 2013 09:33 AM (azHfB)

17 We have an administration that openly lies and when caught shouts "How dare you!"

I have not given up hope. But things will necessarily get worse before they can get better.

In four years, the term "social justice" will be as popular as "eugenics."


Posted by: Al at January 25, 2013 09:33 AM (V70Uh)

18 11 CBD,

Smart meters are the way they are going to try to hide the brownouts and reward correct voting districts.

If I ever get my "conex" business off the ground you better believe I'll have back up poweroptions with them.

Steve "key-rye-key" Irwin's little spawn is pissed Hillary! did not publish her call for Malthusian population control.

The left's goals ain't our goals team.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 09:33 AM (LRFds)

19 9 There is no opposition party.
Posted by: eman at January 25, 2013 09:30 AM (jp2Ur)


It seems there is only Rand Paul.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 25, 2013 09:34 AM (uhAkr)

20 Zuckerberg To Fundraise For Chris Christie

It's like a gravitational singularity of D Bag.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 09:34 AM (8y9MW)

21 Piers. Dude. Just stop man.

Posted by: RWC at January 25, 2013 09:35 AM (fWAjv)

22 What happened to all the phone help desks? I had to call two help desks this morning and both times had to talk to partially deaf old women who couldn't spell my "ethnic" name. Never had this problem when the call centers were in Bangalore. And I didn't mind ripping heads off when I knew they were foreigners.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 25, 2013 09:35 AM (Ec6wH)

23 Government should not have the power to install equipment by force.

Posted by: eman at January 25, 2013 09:35 AM (jp2Ur)

24 and reward correct voting districts.

Only Pyongyang gets lights.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 25, 2013 09:36 AM (ZKzrr)

25 Government should not have the power to install equipment by force.


I know it's not housing troops, but isn't this the same principle behind the 3rd Amendment? Your home is yours, and the Government shouldn't be able to do anything with/to it without your permission?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 09:36 AM (8y9MW)

26 The Democrat Party; full of grifters, liars, thieves, sexual predators, loons, and drunks. And those are the party's 'redeeming' features.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 09:37 AM (Mj6r9)

27 Popinjay Manless gets pwn'ed by "girls". LOLZ.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2013 09:37 AM (GFM2b)

28 23 eman,

BWAHAHAAHA yeah well after Kelo the supreme court has made it pretty clear abundantly so with Ogabecare's ruling that we own nothing and that our mere existence is reason enough to tax us.

You want to know "why Article V" the SCotUS is a big part if why I finally accepted this Federal experiment needs scrapped.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 09:37 AM (LRFds)

29 We'll just change the name to "social choice". Everyone's for "choice", right?

Posted by: zombie margaret sanger at January 25, 2013 09:38 AM (ORGYc)

30 25 Allen G,

Man that concept is like a hundred fucking years old...they forgot to leave the right to pot in the bill of rights man!

//Luap Nor fan

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 09:38 AM (LRFds)

31 Well as you know, Senator there was a video and

...

I would like a number 2 large combo with cheese, please.

it's so dark in here, so dark

Posted by: St. Hillary the Forgetful at January 25, 2013 09:38 AM (EZl54)

32 With all the changes done or submitted by this administration, I propose the White House occupants be protected only by female secret service details carrying six shot revolvers.

Posted by: polynikes at January 25, 2013 09:39 AM (m2CN7)

33 Governments have desires that they tell you are needs and force upon you with force.

Posted by: eman at January 25, 2013 09:39 AM (jp2Ur)

34 As far as I can tell, this lunatic had the choice of continuing to use a dumb meter at additional cost, but chose to confront the city.

I am not condoning the police-state tactics, but she provoked the confrontation.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 25, 2013 09:40 AM (GsoHv)

35 Is there any cocksucker in the world more in need of a Stone Cold Stunner than Piers Morgan?

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 25, 2013 09:40 AM (+nOS5)

36 24 Ms radish,

Bingo. They want us disarmed because there are potnetially 100 million armed Americans who may want to have a chat with "their" Congresscritter when the light bill is 66% higher and Aunt Gertrude died when the feds shut off her respirator to keep NYC lit up....

They are not trying to improve anyone's life they are trying to control who lives and dies.

Hillary! did not publish Krikey's daughter's note because it gave away the game.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 09:41 AM (LRFds)

37 With all the changes done or submitted by this administration, I propose the White House occupants be protected only by female secret service details in wheelchairs carrying six shot revolvers.

Now now. We have to be all inclusive.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2013 09:41 AM (GFM2b)

38 Among the basic questions that Paul asks of Kerry: If the
U.S. was wrong to bomb Cambodia without congressional authorization
(and it was), then why was it A-OK for Obama to join in bombing
runs over Libya?






Let me guess, because of who was in the White House

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 25, 2013 09:41 AM (1Jaio)

39 Capt. Hate, Gov Christie?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 09:41 AM (Mj6r9)

40 I didn't think it could get any worse than Hillary Clinton. I was wrong.

The Kerry Doctrine is going to be fan-fucking-tastic!

Posted by: Fritz at January 25, 2013 09:42 AM (/ZZCn)

41 33 Governments have desires that they tell you are needs and force upon you with force.

Posted by: eman at January 25, 2013 09:39 AM (jp2Ur)

It's not liberty-rape-rape. just liberty-rape.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at January 25, 2013 09:42 AM (FsUAO)

42 Zuckerberg To Fundraise For Chris Christie







Has fat boy come out to defend Hillary yet? Krispy Kreme has moved into the Colin Powell wing of the party

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 25, 2013 09:42 AM (1Jaio)

43 40 Fritz,

Hillary! has more balls and brains than Jean Francois

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 09:42 AM (LRFds)

44

>>I know it's not housing troops, but isn't this the same principle behind the 3rd Amendment? Your home is yours, and the Government shouldn't be able to do anything with/to it without your permission?

Don't get me started on the fucking utility companies and property rights.
The first 10 feet or so of your property don't really belong to you. They belong to the utility companies. That pipe that sends NatGas in your house? It's owned by the utility company, but if it breaks or leaks, you have to pay for the repair. You can't legally fix it yourself.
Same with sewage and electricity.
The thing I hate the most are their "donate" program lettters they send with the bill. Donate 1 dollar to help families in need. Fuck you utility company. You're making hundreds of millions and billions of dollars, youmake the donation.

Until recently, electricity was a monopoly where I live. You had to use one company. There were no other options. Thankfully some laws passed in the past few years give me the option to shop around for better electricity rates.

Posted by: Ben at January 25, 2013 09:43 AM (C2Y4l)

45 As far as I can tell, this lunatic had the choice of continuing to use a dumb meter at additional cost, but chose to confront the city.

I am not condoning the police-state tactics, but she provoked the confrontation.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 25, 2013 09:40 AM (GsoHv)

In both cases the city provoked the confrontation. Force took the form of higher cost and police action.

If the city wants to install a new thing the city should offer a reward to the homeowner. If the homeowner declines, end of story.

Posted by: eman at January 25, 2013 09:43 AM (jp2Ur)

46 Photo Of The Day






I'm surprised the guy wasn't arrested for a hate crime

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 25, 2013 09:43 AM (1Jaio)

47 Rickb223. Now now to be truly inclusive they need to have a weight body___ problem while being incapable of wheeling their way along to escort the motorcade. And how can I forget, be racially white but self-identify as African-Native-American with a fascination for Hillary.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 09:43 AM (Mj6r9)

48 :::35 Is there any cocksucker in the world more in need of a Stone Cold Stunner than Piers Morgan?:::

I submit that there is not.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 25, 2013 09:44 AM (mOyDx)

49 As Jew Ron Paul has always been an anathema to me but I have to say he son Rand is mostly saying and doing all the right things. I am not yet ready to jump on his band wagon yet, but he is about the only Republican fighting back. I have an open mind and I am impressed

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2013 09:45 AM (9Bj8R)

50 The thing I hate the most are their "donate" program lettters they send
with the bill. Donate 1 dollar to help families in need. Fuck you
utility company. You're making hundreds of millions and billions of
dollars, youmake the donation.


Shit, "families in need" get government money to pay the fucking heating bill. Google "heat and eat". If you get food stamps, you can get free electricity to charge up that Obamapho.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 25, 2013 09:46 AM (ZKzrr)

51 And how can I forget, be racially white but self-identify as African-Native-American with a fascination for Hillary.

Is that Native-Native-American, or will Lieawatha Native American suffice?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2013 09:46 AM (GFM2b)

52 Ron Paul's a Jew, Nevergiveup?! A pretty self-hating one then.

Posted by: andycanuck at January 25, 2013 09:47 AM (ORGYc)

53 Since I am a liberal and liberals correlate approval for guns and gun ownership with masculinity and penis size, does that relationship explain my bitchy PMS attitude and abnormally tiny mosquito-like member?
Answer the question!

(sob)



Posted by: PIers Morgan at January 25, 2013 09:47 AM (EZl54)

54 I'm surprised the guy wasn't arrested for a hate crime

He is kinda pale. Time for some extraordinary rendition.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 25, 2013 09:47 AM (ZKzrr)

55
Capt. Hate, Gov Christie?


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 09:41 AM (Mj6r9)


He's just come to our attention recently because he's such a self-serving fatassed weasel. There were positive posts about him when he was sticking it to the teacher's union and urging hard choices to balance the state budget. Granted, he was still a gun grabbing mooooooslim loving turd at the time; but he was garnering praise for sticking it to a few deserving shitheads.

I can't think of a single positive thing Piers Morgan has ever done. He's always been an irritating twat and even if he ever fucked up and argued a point we agree with, we'd be embarrassed to have the skeevy little maggot on our side. No, Piers needs a Stunner badly.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 25, 2013 09:47 AM (+nOS5)

56 Posted by: eman at January 25, 2013 09:43 AM (jp2Ur)

We have no right to electric power. If this woman didn't want to do business with the power company, then that was her option.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 25, 2013 09:47 AM (GsoHv)

57 The U.S. military reportedly ordered soldiers to remove a cross and a steeple from atop a chapel and to board up cross-shaped windows at a remote American forward operating base in Afghanistan.

The removal of Christian symbols from the chapel at Forward Operating Base Orgun-E came after a solider complained — leading American Atheists president David Silverman to send a letter to the Pentagon.

“Soldiers with minority religious beliefs and atheists often feel like second-class citizens when Christianity is seemingly officially endorsed by their own base,” Silverman told Fox News. “We are very happy the Pentagon and the Army decided to do the right thing.”

Silverman said a Christian chapel on an Army base in Afghanistan could have put American troops in danger.

“It enflames this Muslim versus Christian mentality,” he said. “This is not a Muslim versus Christian war — but if the Army base has a large chapel on it that has been converted to Christian-only, it sends a message that could be interpreted as hostile to Islam.

The Army released a statement to NBC acknowledging board had also been placed over the cross-shaped windows while the base ordered new doors.

And it's one, two, three,
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is Vietnam;
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why,
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2013 09:48 AM (9Bj8R)

58 I'm surprised the guy wasn't arrested for a hate crime

He is kinda pale.


White-Hispanic?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2013 09:48 AM (GFM2b)

59 I can't think of a single positive thing Piers
Morgan has ever done.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 25, 2013 09:47 AM (+nOS5)

He left!

Posted by: England at January 25, 2013 09:48 AM (GsoHv)

60 What happened to all the phone help desks? I had to call two help desks
this morning and both times had to talk to partially deaf old women who
couldn't spell my "ethnic" name. Never had this problem when the call
centers were in Bangalore. And I didn't mind ripping heads off when I
knew they were foreigners.


All that head ripping, it was difficult to replace the employees so quickly. And the bill for for plastic sheeting was eating all the company's profits.

No, old ladies are much better. No one would rip their grandmothers head off.

Posted by: Help Desk Management at January 25, 2013 09:49 AM (4WhSY)

61 This makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.

http://tinyurl.com/ahdn7pc


Assault weapons that can fire numerous times in seconds are designed for only one thing: killing large numbers of people. The military and law enforcement officers need that ability; ordinary law-abiding citizens do not.
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Law enforcement needs the means to kill large numbers of people.

Posted by: RWC at January 25, 2013 09:49 AM (fWAjv)

62 In four years, the term "social justice" will be as popular as "eugenics."
========
We were saying a lot of stuff like this 4 years ago too . . . .

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 25, 2013 09:50 AM (imtbm)

63 We have no right to electric power. If this woman didn't want to do business with the power company, then that was her option.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 25, 2013 09:47 AM (GsoHv)

Because the electric power companiesare in essence a government regulated entity through easements and other direct or indirect subsidies, citizens do have a right to electric power as offered to the general public as a whole.

Posted by: polynikes at January 25, 2013 09:50 AM (m2CN7)

64 2
I'm going to repost this here.



Man forced to remove his shirt on Quantas flight because passengers
were complaining of being scared of it. It was an Inigo Montoya shirt.



http://preview.tinyurl.com/az4kefq



The stupid.....it burns.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at January 25, 2013 09:25 AM (qFpRI)

Once again I faced with the decision to either laugh or cry.
Really people you are offended by a Princess Bride t-shirt? But we have to protect the rights of murderous jihad terror tourist because we do not want to be cultural insensitive.

Posted by: Long Island at January 25, 2013 09:50 AM (hl8SI)

65 I've been "shamed" since I was 8. Doesn't work.
http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/162141/

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 25, 2013 09:50 AM (ZKzrr)

66 57 NeverGiveUp,

Seems to me the Army is saying it doesn't want Christians.

Maybe Christians should comply.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 09:50 AM (LRFds)

67 Posted by: eman at January 25, 2013 09:43 AM (jp2Ur)

We have no right to electric power. If this woman didn't want to do business with the power company, then that was her option.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 25, 2013 09:47 AM (GsoHv)

She had a meter. She paid her bills. The meter is there to assess a charge for services rendered.

The city created the problem.

Posted by: eman at January 25, 2013 09:51 AM (jp2Ur)

68 Speaking of White-Hispanic, the Zimmerman persecution continues. Deposing witnesses. Like the woman who could not see things clearly but thinks a heavier man was on top - sounds like she just described Chris Christie was wrassling with Treyvon for the Skittles.

http://tinyurl.com/ahv2pca

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 09:51 AM (Mj6r9)

69 I think I am going to add a video of 'dog greets vet' with my coffee in the morning. Can't go wrong there.

Posted by: RWC at January 25, 2013 09:51 AM (fWAjv)

70 62 Royal Oil,

Correct, I'm thinking it is a better idea for the people saying it to gather together in say 2 or more states in an interlocking grid no?

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 09:52 AM (LRFds)

71 We have no right to electric power. If this woman didn't want to do business with the power company, then that was her option.
I think the (state?) government passed a law that you couldn't turn people's utilities off any more so they can't do that. (If it's the link I read about it the other day, I think someone mentions it in the comments section.) So libertarians here should be bitching about that just as much. If they just cut her off, they wouldn't have to ask for a cop to be sent to escort their worker checking out their property at her house.

Posted by: andycanuck at January 25, 2013 09:52 AM (ORGYc)

72 I would also agree that if the cost of doing business withan old meter is greater than with the smart meter, the electric company does have the right to render a surcharge if you choose to keep it.

Posted by: polynikes at January 25, 2013 09:52 AM (m2CN7)

73 Morning youse morons.

Shall I assume you've already discussed my governor's speech? Or are we still talking about Assault Catholics or something?

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 25, 2013 09:53 AM (SUKHu)

74 We have no right to electric power. If this woman didn't want to do business with the power company, then that was her option.

Ahh, but there is the city made conumdrum. If you don't have electricity, most city governments will throw you out of your own home. And if you don't think that they won't find a way to shut down your generator, might I interest you in some ocean front Montana property I have?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2013 09:53 AM (GFM2b)

75 Do power company employees realize that once this nation is nothing but smart meters, there will be no need for meter readers. More unemployment ahead!

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 09:53 AM (Mj6r9)

76 We have no right to electric power. If this woman didn't want to do business with the power company, then that was her option.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 25, 2013 09:47 AM (GsoHv)



Because the electric power companiesare in essence a government
regulated entity through easements and other direct or indirect
subsidies, citizens do have a right to electric power as offered to the
general public as a whole.

Posted by: polynikes at January 25, 2013 09:50 AM (m2CN7)


Yes, as somebody who wasted 19.5 years of my life at a third rate electric utility, the utility has to provide service to any dwelling in the service area.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 25, 2013 09:53 AM (+nOS5)

77 Piers Morgan is a morally stunted tool.

Posted by: TANSTAAFL at January 25, 2013 09:54 AM (tqAT4)

78 The gun girls were unprepared and apparently completely ignorant of NFA and the particulars of class 3 weapons.

They missed a real chance to humiliate Morgan there.

Anyone going on a show like this needs to understand the law very well in general and be able to cite specific hot button sections in detail.

I'm sorry, they fucked up.

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 25, 2013 09:54 AM (GlnE7)

79 If this woman didn't want to do business with the power company, then that was her option.

Except that it's not. At least, not necessarily. There are some situations where the government requires you to have electricity. You don't have the option of simply not having any.

No. My property should be mine, sacrosanct and immune to the intrusions of government or corporations except with my direct approval.

We haven't been there for a long, long time, but that's how it should be.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 09:54 AM (8y9MW)

80 Silverman said a Christian chapel on an Army base in Afghanistan could have put American troops in danger.



“It enflames this Muslim versus Christian mentality,” he said. “This
is not a Muslim versus Christian war — but if the Army base has a large
chapel on it that has been converted to Christian-only, it sends a
message that could be interpreted as hostile to Islam.



#57. Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2013 09:48 AM (9Bj8R)





How soon before we have to start covering up the churches in this country lest they offend Muslims?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 25, 2013 09:54 AM (1Jaio)

81 I think the (state?) government passed a law that you couldn't turn people's utilities off any more so they can't do that.

It depends on the state. In New York, you can only get shut off for non-payment between June and September. So, as long as you keep having babies (to put the utilities in their names...)....

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 25, 2013 09:55 AM (ZKzrr)

82 We have no right to electric power. If this woman didn't want to do business with the Government subsidized and regulated monopoly power company, then that was her she had no option.


FTFY

Posted by: T. Hunter at January 25, 2013 09:55 AM (EZl54)

83
Silverman said a Christian chapel on an Army base in Afghanistan could have put American troops in danger.



“It enflames this Muslim versus Christian mentality,” he said. “This
is not a Muslim versus Christian war — but if the Army base has a large
chapel on it that has been converted to Christian-only, it sends a
message that could be interpreted as hostile to Islam.





Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2013 09:48 AM (9Bj8R)

They worry about inflaming the Muslims on this issue, but do they ever worry about sending a woman (or gay man) to Muslim countries as official representatives of the US Government?

There is a cognitive disconnect here.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 25, 2013 09:55 AM (bb5+k)

84 80 TQM,

Will you give me at least a week?

//PRESENT!

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 09:55 AM (LRFds)

85 Senator John Kerry said today in his
opening statement in his confirmation hearing for Secretary of State
before the Senate that he will do his best to implement "President
Obama's vision for the world" by giving "a voice to the voiceless."







Because the world isn't fucked up enough we need Barry's vision imposed on it. And the voiceless? People who Barry supports never have trouble getting their message out

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 25, 2013 09:56 AM (1Jaio)

86 A horse walks into a bar and sits down nest to John Kerry. The bartender asks "Why the long face?". The horse says, "I was born that way." The barkeep says, "I was talking to the Senator."

Posted by: TANSTAAFL at January 25, 2013 09:56 AM (tqAT4)

87 Assault weapons that can fire numerous times in seconds are designed for
only one thing: killing large numbers of people. The military and law
enforcement officers need that ability; ordinary law-abiding citizens do
not.

--------



Law enforcement needs the means to kill large numbers of people.


This should terrify anyone with even the least knowledge of history. The reason I need the ability to kill large numbers of people is because the military and LEO have it.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 09:56 AM (8y9MW)

88 82 T Hunter,

Yup, one of the things that has me fascinated about off the grid conex living is I am seriously wanting to get the state to get pissy with me and try to charge me a tax on things I don't use as a test case to get to SCotUS.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 09:57 AM (LRFds)

89 TFG and Jon Cary's vision of foreign policy
http://youtu.be/ST86JM1RPl0

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 09:57 AM (Mj6r9)

90 I'm sorry, they fucked up.

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 25, 2013 09:54 AM (GlnE7)

Agree. Usually I'll send Piers clips where he gets his ass handed to him to a couple of people.

This one didn't make the cut.

Posted by: RWC at January 25, 2013 09:57 AM (fWAjv)

91 The govt breaks your legs, then gets mad when you don't thank them for giving you a second hand wheelchair they bought with a third of YOUR paycheck.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at January 25, 2013 09:57 AM (FsUAO)

92 80 TQM,

Will you give me at least a week?

//PRESENT!


Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 09:55 AM (LRFds)



No! Now! Sensitive sensibilities are being offended as we speak. These poor people will need years of therapy to get over it. Therapy and lawsuits

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 25, 2013 09:58 AM (1Jaio)

93 This should terrify anyone with even the least knowledge of history.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 09:56 AM (8y9MW)


shhhhhh..... Snookie is on TV.

Posted by: RWC at January 25, 2013 09:59 AM (fWAjv)

94 Look at the bright side, you can still have a rotary dial phone if you want one.

For now anyway, Pleeps.

Posted by: polynikes don't worry I'm from the government at January 25, 2013 09:59 AM (m2CN7)

95 @80

The complaints ain't coming from the Muslims...they at least understand the value of religion.

It's the neo-nihilists , late of the OWS crowd, currently walking around with their "Officially Offended Militant Atheist" armbands.

Posted by: T. Hunter at January 25, 2013 10:00 AM (EZl54)

96 92 TQM,

Soldiers should start sending letters to the Pentagon saying that all Mosques in areas held by the US military should be torn down as they are offending the fuck out of GIs and the lesson the Pentagon is teaching is if you want to get your way blow shit up.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 10:00 AM (LRFds)

97 Yup, one of the things that has me fascinated about
off the grid conex living is I am seriously wanting to get the state to
get pissy with me and try to charge me a tax on things I don't use as a
test case to get to SCotUS.


Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 09:57 AM (LRFds)


They will grind you into a pulp before it gets that far, unless you have unlimited resources, that is.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 25, 2013 10:00 AM (bb5+k)

98
Interesting flipping through morning TV - CNN, CBS, NBC, not a lot of chatter about Queen Diane Feintein and her silly bill.
Do even the news readers know it has no chance with Dingy Harry and his A+ NRA Rating???

Posted by: Jay at January 25, 2013 10:00 AM (3LaGb)

99 If this woman didn't want to do business with the power company, then that was her option.


Dunno about you, but where I live there is only one power company I can do business with, thanks to gubmint and it stupid ass zone bidding.

I can only have DSL as well... no matter how many times I call the cable company to petition for them to run a line into my subdivision.

Posted by: cajun carrot at January 25, 2013 10:00 AM (UZQM8)

100
My standard answer for idiots such as Piers Morgan when he asks why I feel the need to have an AR-15 is this: "To defend myself and my family against illegal criminal aggression."

This is the biggest thing that these gun-grabbing leftards are conveniently omitting from their arguments: aggression. It's the same thing that currently permeates the effete school administrators who somehow seem justified in punishing a student who fights back against a bully. England has also codified this bizzare notion when citizens are prosecuted for defending themselves in their own homes.

There was a time when aggressors were seen as the problem. Nowadays, in a world where everything is backwards, if you defend yourself, you're the problem. To, once again, use a highly technical psychological term, that's some seriously fucked-up shit.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 25, 2013 10:00 AM (+z4pE)

101 But isn't one of the big things about the smart meters that the power company can remotely shut off or throttle back your power off if they think you're using too much power, say, during the summer?

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 25, 2013 10:01 AM (imtbm)

102 95 T hunter,

evangelical atheists, the most charming people on Earth.

I sometimes wonder if Xianity, Islam, Hindus, and Buddhists should team up and wipe them out ten get back to religious work.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 10:01 AM (LRFds)

103 AllenG - Chicago 1968 and Mayor Daley
"The police are not here to create disorder, they're here to preserve disorder."

Another Daley quote -
"A newspaper is the lowest thing there is."

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 10:01 AM (Mj6r9)

104 This should terrify anyone with even the least
knowledge of history. The reason I need the ability to kill large
numbers of people is because the military and LEO have it.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 09:56 AM (8y9MW)


Bingo; this gets lost in all the hysteria.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 25, 2013 10:01 AM (+nOS5)

105 I don't get the woman's complaint with the smart meter.

Our town uses them. The garbage trucks read the meter as they drive by, at the end of the month if you don't have a reading then a guy drives past and tries to read it with a more expensive receiver, and if that fails, only then will he come on your property to get the reading.

It's a great system I think.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 25, 2013 10:02 AM (evdj2)

106 It's the neo-nihilists , late of the OWS crowd,
currently walking around with their "Officially Offended Militant
Atheist" armbands.


Posted by: T. Hunter at January 25, 2013 10:00 AM (EZl54)


I can't wait to see what happens to atheists in Europe. Having done everything they could to attack and destroy Christian preference in the culture, What are they going to do when the Muslims become dominant?


Is it wrong to laugh about Atheists getting their heads chopped off?





Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 25, 2013 10:03 AM (bb5+k)

107 But isn't one of the big things about the smart meters that the power
company can remotely shut off or throttle back your power off if they
think you're using too much power, say, during the summer?


Think of all the money you'll save by not running your A/C when it's 100F, you ingrates.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 25, 2013 10:03 AM (ZKzrr)

108
Progress!
Breaking: New home sales slide 7.3% in December from November to 369,000 annualized unit rate.
-----Forward!

Posted by: Jay at January 25, 2013 10:03 AM (3LaGb)

109 Just wait until a power company shuts off someone's respirator via the smart meter by accident.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 10:04 AM (Mj6r9)

110
Is it wrong to laugh about Atheists getting their heads chopped off?





Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 25, 2013 10:03 AM (bb5+k)


On second thought, What am I talking about? Those cowards will convert to Islam to save their own heads. With nothing to believe in, they can be forced to believe in anything.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 25, 2013 10:04 AM (bb5+k)

111 Our town uses them. The garbage trucks read the meter as they drive by,
at the end of the month if you don't have a reading then a guy drives
past and tries to read it with a more expensive receiver, and if that
fails, only then will he come on your property to get the reading.


It's not a big problem in Texas, because... Texas.

But TFG and his DoE have talked about "smart grids" that will monitor your electricity usage- and "provide tips for using less energy" (or something like that). It's a very very small step from "providing tips" to "turn of the power because reasons."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 10:04 AM (8y9MW)

112 I would also agree that if the cost of doing business withan old meter is greater than with the smart meter, the electric company does have the right to render a surcharge if you choose to keep it.
Posted by: polynikes at January 25, 2013 09:52 AM (m2CN7)



I don't have a problem with that. I still want an answer as to what happens when, not if, the code kiddies immediately hack the encryption. I'm not clear if these are still manual readers that simply send out the information wirelessly or if it's an entirely digital reader. That's not to say that manual ones can't be messed with but I would think digital would be somewhat easier.


I was mildly concerned about the fact that impeding a meter reader was a crime and then it occurred to me just why that was the case. Yeah, I guess I can see the need for that.


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 25, 2013 10:04 AM (VtjlW)

113 Another Daley quote -
"A newspaper is the lowest thing there is."

Usually right below bird shit, dog shit, cat shit....

Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2013 10:04 AM (GFM2b)

114 Hey guys Ruger has a nice online tool to help people speak up on gun control online. Can any of you guys share this out? It's nice because it emails your local guys and your Washington guys.

http://www.ruger.com/micros/advocacy/

Posted by: gigg at January 25, 2013 10:04 AM (41VCE)

115 It's a great system I think.
Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 25, 2013 10:02 AM (evdj2)

It's a two way system where they can now enforce energy rationing on the greens whims.

Posted by: cajun carrot at January 25, 2013 10:05 AM (UZQM8)

116 Since I am a liberal and liberals correlate approval for guns and gun ownership with masculinity and penis size, does that relationship explain my bitchy PMS attitude and abnormally tiny mosquito-like member? Answer the question! (sob)
Posted by: PIers Morgan


These relentless attacks on dickless wonder Piers Morganby the Gun Girls with their enormous lady balls....there's a -- a whisper of misogyny to it.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at January 25, 2013 10:05 AM (BrQrN)

117 @88

sven,

I have been looking into wind and water wheels. The government see these as competitors and are subject to regulation. "Private power generating systems" also may be subject to "metering agreements".

All hail the state.


Posted by: T. Hunter at January 25, 2013 10:05 AM (EZl54)

118 Who do the UN think they are investigating U.S. drone strikes? Don't those stupid f---s know that our President is a Nobel Peace Prize winner?

Posted by: RioBravo at January 25, 2013 10:05 AM (eEfYn)

119 But isn't one of the big things about the smart meters that the power
company can remotely shut off or throttle back your power off if they
think you're using too much power, say, during the summer?



They are doing that or may have proposed that somewhere in CA. I remember reading about a power company installing smart thermostats in homes that are controlled by wireless signals. The power company can adjust your home's temp remotely.

Posted by: EC at January 25, 2013 10:05 AM (GQ8sn)

120 Is it wrong to laugh about Atheists getting their heads chopped off?







Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 25, 2013 10:03 AM (bb5+k)


Did you ever see Madeleine Murray O'Hare? ::vomit::

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 25, 2013 10:05 AM (+nOS5)

121
Just wait until a power company shuts off someone's respirator via the smart meter by accident.

If the Community Resource Allocation Board has decided you are worthy of being allowed a respirator, they've probably decided you're worthy of being allowed electricity...

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 25, 2013 10:06 AM (ZKzrr)

122 109 Just wait until a power company shuts off someone's respirator via the smart meter by accident.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 10:04 AM (Mj6r9)

Just a bump in the road.

What does it matter?

Posted by: RWC at January 25, 2013 10:06 AM (fWAjv)

123 "turn of the power because reasons. racist"


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 10:04 AM (8y9MW)

You're a busy man who may or may not be running a blog, so I'll cut you some slack on that one...

Posted by: cajun carrot at January 25, 2013 10:06 AM (UZQM8)

124 The gun girls were unprepared and apparently completely ignorant of NFA and the particulars of class 3 weapons. They missed a real chance to humiliate Morgan there. Anyone going on a show like this needs to understand the law very well in general and be able to cite specific hot button sections in detail.I'm sorry, they fucked up

Ah, too bad. Didn't watch the clip....assumed it went better than that.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at January 25, 2013 10:07 AM (BrQrN)

125 Electricity is for chumps!

Posted by: Amish and Mennonites at January 25, 2013 10:07 AM (m0v2L)

126 Madeline O'Hare and family got killed by her business partner over money.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 10:07 AM (Mj6r9)

127 Can any of you guys share this out?

Tweetified.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 10:07 AM (8y9MW)

128 97 Diogenes Lamp,

Maybe, but I can live pretty lean. Main thing is getting the capital together to launch a few ideas.

1) a bio-diesel still coupled with a grease trap cleaning business tied in with getting the waste oil.

2) a targeted niche construction crew to convert deadlined Conexs into modular living areas.

3) a "green" homewrecking crew that petitions governments to pay for the destruction, removal, and targeted remediation of pads, foundations, and land under vacant dilapidated dwellings that have been abandoned on property.

You harvest the salvageable materials contained therein, use the scrap when possible for recycling or low level manufacturing material, burn wood for heat for your shop, and scout out fallow land that is held up in tax hell for purchase on the sly.

It is a doable business model, it takes some launch capital and probably a stable location to start in.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 10:07 AM (LRFds)

129 I sometimes wonder if Xianity, Islam, Hindus, and Buddhists should team up and wipe them out ten get back to religious work.


Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 10:01 AM (LRFds)

I have long argued that Atheists (mostly) can only exist in Christian Dominated Societies. And then they start making every effort to damage that aspect of the society that made their existence possible.

Other religions (throughout History) don't put up with that shit.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 25, 2013 10:07 AM (bb5+k)

130 109 Just wait until a power company shuts off someone's respirator via the smart meter by accident.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 10:04 AM (Mj6r9)


Just let the old ones die already

Posted by: JAPAN at January 25, 2013 10:07 AM (UZQM8)

131 England has also codified this bizzare notion when citizens are prosecuted for defending themselves in their own homes.

There
was a time when aggressors were seen as the problem. Nowadays, in a
world where everything is backwards, if you defend yourself, you're the
problem.
==============
What was that discussion yesterday from the Gulag Archipelago? What was that phrase "crimes in law?"
Petty criminals are favored while the thought criminals ruthlessly abused.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 25, 2013 10:07 AM (imtbm)

132 Abe's minister Aso really stepped on his aged crank with that comment. Of course he is not willing to kill himself.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 10:09 AM (Mj6r9)

133
Electoral Fix Could Backfire On The GOP




Allowed to go through in the Red States. Challenged in court in the Blue States under some re-interpretation of the penumbra of the Civil Rights Act or some such. Never implemented in Democratic strongholds.

End result, 2016 the Democrats get 400 electoral votes.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 25, 2013 10:09 AM (kdS6q)

134 There
was a time when aggressors were seen as the problem. Nowadays, in a

world where everything is backwards, if you defend yourself, you're the problem.


The answer is clear: become the aggressor.

Posted by: EC at January 25, 2013 10:09 AM (GQ8sn)

135 It's a very very small step from "providing tips" to "turn of the power because reasons."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 10:04 AM (8y9MW)


Who run Bartertown?

Posted by: RWC at January 25, 2013 10:10 AM (fWAjv)

136 117 T hunter,

Yup no that is what I was saying you build modules, do not connect to the grid and force them to fuck you.

Hell a spare conex can be used as a battery dump for small non bird killing wind wheels for low level power needs and you can use a diesel genny that drinks bio-diesel/diesel mix for legacy powering of the battery dump.

A propane fridge is wildly efficient, you know we can get the kind-hearted retard enviro nuts away from the neo-Malthusian death cult pretty easily on a micro level.

Anyway food for thought.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 10:10 AM (LRFds)

137 Rename the Defense Department the Department of Aggression.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 10:10 AM (Mj6r9)

138 I have an electric meter that can be read by telemetry from a vehicle driving down the street. The ability of the utility to shut off power is a separate thing. The have offered me a whopping $25 to allow them to put another box on the meter to do this. No thanks.

Posted by: Al at January 25, 2013 10:10 AM (V70Uh)

139 Did you ever see Madeleine Murray O'Hare? ::vomit::


Posted by: Captain Hate at January 25, 2013 10:05 AM (+nOS5)

Well aware of her. My recollection is that she came to a bad end at the hands of Satanistic serial killers. I recall something about her bones being discovered in an ash pile or something.

Her crap would not have been possible but for the Damage Roosevelt did to the court system.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 25, 2013 10:10 AM (bb5+k)

140 I thought smart meters just charged different prices based on time of day.

That's a much better solution than shutting off people's power.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at January 25, 2013 10:11 AM (FsUAO)

141 Who run Bartertown?


IIRC, he became Mel's bitch.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2013 10:11 AM (GFM2b)

142 Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 25, 2013 10:04 AM (VtjlW)

I have a smart water meter, gas meter and electric meterand I have seen errors in reading about the same frequency as when it was manual. Though they corrected immediately when advised. The thing that bugs me is because we have multiple electric companies you can choose from, if you don't have your service with what I call the 'parent company' you are charged a separate fee to read the meter by the parent company which is then given to your company.

Posted by: polynikes don't worry I'm from the government at January 25, 2013 10:11 AM (m2CN7)

143 So the atheist wants to cover churches and such. And one of the reasons offered is that Muslims will be offended.
What happens if the Muslims respond with "No, we're good with it. Let the Christians practice their religion"?
On the other hand, if the Muslims do say they will be offended, lets go to the next level.

US Military announces that openly gay people can join the military.
Openly gay service member is due to deploy to Muslim country.
Muslim government says "No gay American military allowed here".

??????

Profit!!!


Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 25, 2013 10:12 AM (WHl4d)

144 RoyalOil, that's the new SmartGrid approach, I don't believe those meters are in use yet for homes - I last saw a test bed for commercial users. The other meters in use are FIT and the remote meters, the FIT meters measure your contributions to the grid from your solar panels, CoGen, dam, whatever, and the remote meters just echo your reading to a transceiver. My impression is that she was opposed to the wireless remote meters.

Posted by: Jean at January 25, 2013 10:13 AM (Y8t25)

145 We keep saying, "socialism always fails because it always runs out of other people's money."

Yet, no one in the Republican Party has done anything to starve the socialists of money.

That tells you which side they are on.


Posted by: RoyalOil at January 25, 2013 10:14 AM (imtbm)

146 Smart meters simply allow the meter to be read from a vehicle and laptop instead of a man walking and reading them manually. They don't "moniter" yur use of electricty or shut off /limit your power otherwise any differently than the guy pulling the analog meter and disconnecting you. Smart meter is not a smart thermostat.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 25, 2013 10:15 AM (m0v2L)

147 TruTV Crime Library - The disappearance, death, and fight over the O'Hair legacy.

http://tinyurl.com/adjpkkw

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 10:15 AM (Mj6r9)

148 IIRC, he became Mel's bitch.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2013 10:11 AM (GFM2b)


Do we have a 'Mel?'

Posted by: RWC at January 25, 2013 10:15 AM (fWAjv)

149 Who run Bartertown?

Posted by: RWC at January 25, 2013 10:10 AM (fWAjv)


This is why I come here...

Posted by: cajun carrot at January 25, 2013 10:15 AM (UZQM8)

150
It is a doable business model, it takes some launch capital and probably a stable location to start in.


Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 10:07 AM (LRFds)

Some interesting ideas. I can see the plausibility of trying them. I've been keeping an eye on Shipping container prices. Currently the lowest prices i'm seeing are around $3,000.00 for a 40' shipping container.
Do you know of any better deals?


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 25, 2013 10:15 AM (bb5+k)

151 Why aren't windmills vertically oriented? The trade off in maximum speed has to be factored against continuous power from all angles and the reduced loss and maintenance costs of a rotating elevated hub?

Posted by: Jean at January 25, 2013 10:16 AM (Y8t25)

152
AllenG - Chicago 1968 and Mayor Daley
"The police are not here to create disorder, they're here to preserve disorder."

Another Daley quote -
"A newspaper is the lowest thing there is."


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 10:01 AM (Mj6r9)



Give old man Daley credit for one thing. He had the balls to tell the cops to go out and crack open hippy skulls. Filthy fucking bastards burning our flag and flying North Vietnam's flag.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 25, 2013 10:16 AM (1Jaio)

153 Well aware of her. My recollection is that she came
to a bad end at the hands of Satanistic serial killers. I recall
something about her bones being discovered in an ash pile or something.

Her crap would not have been possible but for the Damage Roosevelt did to the court system.




Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 25, 2013 10:10 AM (bb5+k)


The lovely Mizz Puma prompted me to go to the harridan's wiki page and she and her family were done in by a fellow atheist who was somewhat more of a scuzzbucket than she was, in a gruesome fashion. I'd be lying if I said I didn't get a massive schadenboner while reading it that hasn't begun to subside.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 25, 2013 10:16 AM (+nOS5)

154 If people start making waves about what kind of meter is on your house, the power company can just put them at the transformer.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 25, 2013 10:17 AM (evdj2)

155 Can someone say "Smart Meters may be overheating"

Of course you can

http://preview.tinyurl.com/9hlrvfy

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 25, 2013 10:17 AM (WHl4d)

156 Delicious. Douche Morgan was completely flummoxed by two chicks that, frankly, I thought seemed quite nervous and awkward. Nervous and awkward facts, however, tend to defeat smug, self-righteous bullshit. They even ran right over his attempts to conflate automatic and semi-automatic weapons, and their anecdote of self-defense with an AR-15 must have created a sewage smell in Douche's pants.

Posted by: MadisonConservative at January 25, 2013 10:17 AM (Y/HG5)

157 @136

sven,
yes thanks. Good info. Propane fridge is strong. May have to tap into funds for that one. I am a Southern boy but could use a late life internship with the Dutch for a stretch to pick up on the lore.
Good stuff to think on while reconditioning brakes on Escape Vehicle #2. : )


Posted by: T. Hunter at January 25, 2013 10:19 AM (EZl54)

158 The thing that bugs me is because we have multiple electric companies you can choose from, if you don't have your service with what I call the 'parent company' you are charged a separate fee to read the meter by the parent company which is then given to your company.
Posted by: polynikes don't worry I'm from the government at January 25, 2013 10:11 AM (m2CN7)



Gah. I didn't even think about that.


Isn't there a distinction between the smart meter that can be read by telemetry (thanks btw I could not remember that word and it was bugging me) and the proposed smart thermostats which can, in fact, be remotely controlled by the power company in order to "save energy". I know they wanted to roll those out in CA in order to be ever so helpful to people who were running their a/c too much and causing brownouts. That's a whole other level of wrong but I didn't think that had to do with the meters.


When I moved into my place a couple years ago, my first three bills were utterly outrageous. It was finally discovered that the emergency heat was running constantly which explained by the a/c wasn't working at all. My complex was great and actually comped me a month's rent because of it. I was terrified that the cops were going to show up and assume I was running a grow lab. The power company guys even made some jokes about how they expected to see grow lights.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 25, 2013 10:19 AM (VtjlW)

159 146
Smart meters simply allow the meter to be read from a vehicle and laptop
instead of a man walking and reading them manually. They don't
"moniter" yur use of electricty or shut off /limit your power otherwise
any differently than the guy pulling the analog meter and disconnecting
you. Smart meter is not a smart thermostat.
===========
That's what I thought.

Yet at the GOP County Exec meeting the other night, some guy had a stack of flyers against smart meters. I didn't get one so I don't know what the big deal is.

Bottom line is: I guess I don't care.

Put in your smart meter, that way you'll never know when I wire into the utility side and pull power for free.

Which, is not that hard to do if you're not scared and very careful.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 25, 2013 10:19 AM (imtbm)

160
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 25, 2013 10:15 AM (bb5+k)


LGI Transport in Newark. $1600 per box. $3000 is pretty high. Where are yu looking?

Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 25, 2013 10:19 AM (m0v2L)

161 Yeah that P-face Morgan bit was OK. He mostly just looked like a dick bullying two pretty girls. As usual he comes off like a pretentious dick. Because at the end of the day he is a pretentious dick.

Posted by: gigg at January 25, 2013 10:19 AM (41VCE)

162 If I had a bug-out cabin somewhere, I would equip it with all diesel appliances, like you can get for a boat. Stove, heater, refrigerator, diesel generator etc.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 25, 2013 10:21 AM (evdj2)

163 150 Diogenes Lamp,

They've been as low as 2500 for the 40' baseline.

I've seen up to 7500 for the deadlined heavies.

http://tinyurl.com/bfc6mmj

Ebay search on it.

If we had a CDL holder with a Rig or two we could make bids and use the Freight Chasing data rings at truck stops and rest areas to try to get runs to areas to pick up the Containers.

Houston and NOLA both have yards where the companies shed the things essentially.

It would give us something to do and work together towards in the red State and maybe let morons be put to work or work their way in to shares.

I don't know, I just know that there are positive things we can be doing, and the more distributed and dispersed our quality of life is as Conservatives the better off we'll be.

The collectivists are about to use every resource of the state to cow us, I'd rather work to be free.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 10:22 AM (LRFds)

164 @rollcall Report: Georgia Sen. Saxby Chambliss to Retire http://t.co/IcBhUjdO via @KyleTrygstad

Posted by: 80sBaby at January 25, 2013 10:22 AM (YjDyJ)

165 Oh, and one other thing about these smart meters.

Should they be put to nefarious purpose: Seems an old microwave can be easily re-purposed to "lighting strike" these meters.

Which is the same thing anyone with an OnStar system ought to have already done.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 25, 2013 10:23 AM (imtbm)

166 re: "My recollection is that she came to a bad end at the hands of Satanistic serial killers."

Some guy who worked in her office killed her so he could steal the company's money.

"Satanic serial killers" only exist in death metal songs, shitty horror movies, corrupt prosecutors' imaginations, and failed insanity defenses.

Posted by: oblig. at January 25, 2013 10:23 AM (cePv8)

167
Give old man Daley credit for one thing. He had the balls to tell the cops to go out and crack open hippy skulls.
==============
This was probably the last time a Democrat actually cared about his/her city country.
Once Nixon was in office for 2 or so year, they all went full on hate of Amerikkka!!!

Posted by: Jay at January 25, 2013 10:23 AM (3LaGb)

168 160 Cicero Kid,


Probably a middle man. There's nothing wrong with his looking, CK if we cut a deal with the Chinese to regularly move them if they sat too long we may be able to get a volume discount. We need land, a legal minded moron or two for contract law, and studying enviromental concerns and a few proof of principal prototype Conversions.

I have to help wife chase the military dragon a while longer but at some point I aim to make a serious go of the idea.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 10:24 AM (LRFds)

169 LGI Transport in Newark. $1600 per box. $3000 is pretty high. Where are yu looking?

Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 25, 2013 10:19 AM (m0v2L)

Dallas/Fort Worth.


Newark is quite aways away.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 25, 2013 10:25 AM (bb5+k)

170
Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 10:22 AM (LRFds)


Chicago, too. There is a big van-loading facility and rail yard for loading shipping containers in Chicago. I have rented 3 over the past few years.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 25, 2013 10:25 AM (m0v2L)

171
164@rollcall Report: Georgia Sen. Saxby Chambliss to Retire http://t.co/IcBhUjdO via @KyleTrygstad

Good.

Posted by: Jaws at January 25, 2013 10:25 AM (4I3Uo)

172 Piers Morgans "talents" lie somewhere between those of an itinerant garden gnome and a cellar dwelling internet troll.

Perfect fit for The Airport Television Network.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 25, 2013 10:25 AM (aZ6ew)

173 146 Smart meters simply allow the meter to be read from a vehicle and laptop instead of a man walking and reading them manually. They don't "moniter" yur use of electricty or shut off /limit your power otherwise any differently than the guy pulling the analog meter and disconnecting you. Smart meter is not a smart thermostat.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 25, 2013 10:15 AM (m0v2L)


This is true.
The "meter" to be nervous about is the type that reports usage directly back to the power company.

We have "smart meters" in my neighborhood (town) and the big difference I've seen is that the city guy no longer tramples the wife's flowers to get a meter reading.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at January 25, 2013 10:26 AM (Qxe/p)

174 Hope this is not too much text, but this is the excerpt from the Federalist #46.

Extravagant as the supposition is, let it however be made. Let a regular army, fully equal to the resources of the country, be formed; and let it be entirely at the devotion of the federal government; still it would not be going too far to say, that the State governments, with the people on their side, would be able to repel the danger. The highest number to which, according to the best computation, a standing army can be carried in any country, does not exceed one hundredth part of the whole number of souls; or one twenty-fifth part of the number able to bear arms. This proportion would not yield, in the United States, an army of more than twenty-five or thirty thousand men. To these would be opposed a militia amounting to near half a million of citizens with arms in their hands, officered by men chosen from among themselves, fighting for their common liberties, and united and conducted by governments possessing their affections and confidence. It may well be doubted, whether a militia thus circumstanced could ever be conquered by such a proportion of regular troops. Those who are best acquainted with the last successful resistance of this country against the British arms, will be most inclined to deny the possibility of it. Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. And it is not certain, that with this aid alone they would not be able to shake off their yokes. But were the people to possess the additional advantages of local governments chosen by themselves, who could collect the national will and direct the national force, and of officers appointed out of the militia, by these governments, and attached both to them and to the militia, it may be affirmed with the greatest assurance, that the throne of every tyranny in Europe would be speedily overturned in spite of the legions which surround it. Let us not insult the free and gallant citizens of America with the suspicion, that they would be less able to defend the rights of which they would be in actual possession, than the debased subjects of arbitrary power would be to rescue theirs from the hands of their oppressors. Let us rather no longer insult them with the supposition that they can ever reduce themselves to the necessity of making the experiment, by a blind and tame submission to the long train of insidious measures which must precede and produce it.

Posted by: polynikes at January 25, 2013 10:26 AM (m2CN7)

175 As usual he comes off like a pretentious dick. Because at the end of the day he is a pretentious dick.

Fully automatic pretentious dick. With a British smug mount for full retard launchers.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at January 25, 2013 10:26 AM (BrQrN)

176 One of the ironies of the O'Hair case was the gold. The reason for the killings - $500,000 in gold coins. The killers stashed the coins in a storage unit that was then broken into and the coins were stolen from the killers.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 10:27 AM (Mj6r9)

177 This must stop. If everyone has smart meters it will kill off an entire genre of Penthouse Forum literature.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 25, 2013 10:27 AM (4DGKs)

178 They even ran right over his attempts to conflate automatic and semi-automatic weapons

Not in the eyes of an uninformed viewer. The moment he went off script and asked that question, the right response would have been :

"Are you talking about a NFA Class 3 firearm?"

That would immediately put HIM on the defensive, since I doubt he knows what that even is.

Anyone who agrees to an interview like this needs to demand that it happen LIVE or not at all, so your responses don't hit the cutting room floor or get piecemeal edited into nonsensical statements.

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 25, 2013 10:27 AM (GlnE7)

179
Yeah that P-face Morgan bit was OK. He mostly just looked like a dick bullying two pretty girls. As usual he comes off like a pretentious dick. Because at the end of the day he is a pretentious dick.

At least they called him out for his annoying habit of interrupting them. I'm waiting for someone to call Bill O'Really on that too.

If either one of them fires back with the lame excuse of, "we're limited on time here," then tell them, "Well then, why don't you schedule more time for a more thorough examination of this issue?"

Or, even better, "Why don't you call me back when you have more time," then disconnect the mic and leave.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 25, 2013 10:27 AM (+z4pE)

180 I had thought the Charles Manson /and groupies were considered satanic killers.

Posted by: Ette at January 25, 2013 10:27 AM (nqBYe)

181 There have been Time-of-day meters for decades.

Salt River Project (Phoenix area) offered them in the 80s. Presumably, you would cool down the house at night using a smart thermostat when the electric rates were lower and then not cool the house too much in the heat of the day.

Posted by: Al at January 25, 2013 10:28 AM (V70Uh)

182 sven,

Also ATC made the point above. The WOD folks LOVES the easy peasy "high electric consumption = DOPE!!11" equation.

Unregulated private power generation and storage , is far more scary to the monarchy "Off the Grid SEMI AUTOMATIC ASSAULT Power".

IOW make friends with the local county mounty.

Re: Conex ideas - Vehicle batteries? Marine? Would need to refresh electrolyte occasionally... Or newer sealed types?




Posted by: T. Hunter at January 25, 2013 10:29 AM (EZl54)

183 Dallas/Fort Worth.

Newark is quite aways away.

Look to Houston.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2013 10:29 AM (GFM2b)

184 I was a gas co. meter reader for 18 years, and was on the job when these meters first came into use. The ones we had were called 'Enscan', and they are completely harmless. Basically it's a radio transmitter with a very weak signal, maybe 100 feet at best. The meter reader walks or drives down the street with a receiver and when he activates it, all the enscan meters in range begin broadcasting their info to the receiver. The info gathered is for billing purposes. The meter is self contained, has its own power supply, and other than being physically installed at the house, is not connected to the house in any other way. It can't hear your conversations, it doesn't know what you're watching on TV, it just records, stores and (on demand) transmits your energy usage.

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 25, 2013 10:29 AM (8sCoq)

185 "Satanic serial killers" only exist in death metal
songs, shitty horror movies, corrupt prosecutors' imaginations, and
failed insanity defenses.

Posted by: oblig. at January 25, 2013 10:23 AM (cePv


It's been awhile since I read the stories. I recall her bones were found in an ash pile, and so I may have been doing some assuming.

Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.








Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 25, 2013 10:30 AM (bb5+k)

186 Also, public utilities have the right- it’s called an ‘easement’- to
access any of their equipment on your property. They can dig up your
yard to fix a gas or water leak, turn off your power to change out a
transformer on a pole outside your house, and they can swap out your
water electric or gas meter as they see fit. When you buy a home and
subscribe to water electric or gas service, you enter into an agreement
with that utility company to grant them access to their equipment which
is within your property lines. It is what it is.

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 25, 2013 10:30 AM (8sCoq)

187 181 Al,

Smart consumers do all that already.

I'm sorry I just don't trust the Feds not to misuse power and not because I am coo coo for cocoa puffs....

Fast and Furious was pretty much my final acceptance that this man can kill people happily whether through design or incompetence and the media will cover for him.

It will not be any different when it is us dying.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 10:30 AM (LRFds)

188 We have "smart meters" in my neighborhood (town) and
the big difference I've seen is that the city guy no longer tramples
the wife's flowers to get a meter reading.


Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at January 25, 2013 10:26 AM (Qxe/p)

haha, unless your neighbor has huge dogs and no smart meter.they (utilities not specific to power for instance cable ) have used my yard to read or check out others yards.

Posted by: Ette at January 25, 2013 10:30 AM (nqBYe)

189 Surely no talking head needs more than 10 minutes to make their points.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 25, 2013 10:31 AM (evdj2)

190 It can't hear your conversations, it doesn't know what you're watching on TV, it just records, stores and (on demand) transmits your energy usage.


Which is just what the Jew-controlled media wants you to think!

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at January 25, 2013 10:31 AM (BrQrN)

191 Yea, the smartmeter is no big deal. Crazy bint probably had a WiFi network that puts out more power...

them fucking up and catching fire is a different issue.

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 25, 2013 10:32 AM (GlnE7)

192 Posted by: Jones in CO at January 25, 2013 10:30 AM (8sCoq)

At least my city has an ordinance that if they (or the city) do so, they're required to make cosmetic fixes, too. So if they dig up part of your yard, they're expected to put down new sod to cover the trench they dug and then buried.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 10:32 AM (8y9MW)

193
Should they be put to nefarious purpose: Seems an old microwave can be easily re-purposed to "lighting strike" these meters.

Which is the same thing anyone with an OnStar system ought to have already done.


Posted by: RoyalOil at January 25, 2013 10:23 AM (imtbm)

My forte is Electronics, both engineering and repair. Given the advent of drones and other robots in our society to be turned to abuse by governments seeking to maintain control, one of the topics i've been pondering for the last year or so is how a person might create an EMP device. (Microwaves can be easily shielded against.)
I've got a few ideas how to do this, but I want to put the notion out there that we may need to know how to do this in the future.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 25, 2013 10:33 AM (bb5+k)

194 I'd expect the unions to object to the smart meters because ummm...jobs.

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 25, 2013 10:33 AM (GlnE7)

195 them fucking up and catching fire is a different issue.

Does that happen? If I had known that, I would have had my meter set a yard or two from the house rather than right on the side.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 25, 2013 10:33 AM (evdj2)

196
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 25, 2013 10:30 AM (8sCoq)



To a point. Out utility company initiated a prophylactic tree-trimming and removal campaign a couple years ago. It was not mandatory as the trees were not into the power lines. We were offered trees to be planted in other parts of the yard as compensation.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 25, 2013 10:34 AM (m0v2L)

197 If you want to farkle the smartmeter just wrap it in tin foil.

FARADAY. CAGE.

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 25, 2013 10:35 AM (GlnE7)

198 182 T hunter,

I would probably go with using Marine Yacht batteries, banked up and controlled using RV like wiring and back up banking. Experimenting with wind and solar production would come as capital increased and was there to experiment with.

You are correct, I think the Parish I was in at Ft Polk would be ideal, and I think you could make money from you land by renting Conexes to the GIs on post outside the back gate.

Step one IMHO would be setting up the bio-diesel biz somewhere so you could experiment with finding the perfect blend to run the generators for the Conex conversion.

Step one A would be the housewrecking Bix maybe.

I saw a 118 acre spread for about 67,000 bucks before wife's orders dropped.

The idea is eminently doable I think, and if we got it running we would be draining the left's money.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 10:35 AM (LRFds)

199 Nice parody posted at jerrypournelle dot com yesterday (01/24) - 'Americans with No Abilities Act'
[link on handle]

Posted by: RioBravo at January 25, 2013 10:36 AM (eEfYn)

200 Out utility company initiated a prophylactic tree-trimming and removal campaign a couple years ago.

Did tax dollarshelp pay for it? Sounds hot!

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at January 25, 2013 10:36 AM (BrQrN)

201 I have some giant pines right next to the street and it's overhead power lines. I offered to let the city cut them down so that when they fall in a hurricane, they wouldn't take out the lines. The city declined saying they would rather just deal with it when that happens.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 25, 2013 10:36 AM (evdj2)

202 I've got a few ideas how to do this, but I want to put the notion out
there that we may need to know how to do this in the future.


An EMP gun? Hell yeah!

Posted by: EC at January 25, 2013 10:36 AM (GQ8sn)

203 What was that discussion yesterday from the Gulag Archipelago? What was that phrase "crimes in law?"
Petty criminals are favored while the thought criminals ruthlessly abused.

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The term is "Thief In Law", or "vor v vaskone", which means that the individual follows thieves' law. They're the group that makes up the Russian mafia.

Amongst the rules they are supposed to follow is that they are never supposed to help the authorities, even for something benign. Anyone found doing so is declared "suki", or "bitch", and subject to all kinds of abuse.

They even had "bitch wars" after WWII, as convicts who chose to serve in the Red Army during WWII got re-imprisoned and the vors declared them all to be "suki". They didn't take kindly to that and started killing the vors because they were battle-hardened veterans.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 25, 2013 10:36 AM (e0xKF)

204 If you all want to start a community in Texas, I've a hell of an idea for a 250 to 500kW power source.
24 hour off-grid power. Rough estimate is around $1 to $1.5 mill.
One source I've seen says, figure a peak of 15kW per house.
So, 15 to 30 houses; selling the excess.

With the EPA killing the new coal plant in Corpus Christi . . . .

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 25, 2013 10:36 AM (imtbm)

205 >At least my city has an ordinance that if they (or
the city) do so, they're required to make cosmetic fixes, too. So if
they dig up part of your yard, they're expected to put down new sod to
cover the trench they dug and then buried.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 10:32 AM (8y9MW)

Oh yeah- before I read meters I was on a street crew- and if we dug up someone's yard, we had to return it to its original state to the homeowner's satisfaction

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 25, 2013 10:36 AM (8sCoq)

206 Re: Conex ideas - Vehicle batteries? Marine? Would need to refresh electrolyte occasionally... Or newer sealed types? .


If you guys check northern tool. they have some all-in-one kind of plug and play wind and solar systems. Depends on your location, and what level of "comfort" you really are looking for.

Posted by: gigg at January 25, 2013 10:37 AM (41VCE)

207 haha, unless your neighbor has huge dogs and no smart meter.they (utilities not specific to power for instance cable ) have used my yard to read or check out others yards.

Posted by: Ette at January 25, 2013 10:30 AM (nqBYe)


We had a town meeting, which is how the smart meter thing got going. All houses have them -- this is not a hit-or-miss thing. Made the difference on available city employees when we need them while keeping city employee count and cost/time from rising.
Almost everybody in my neighborhood (self included) has a big (noisy when jarred) dog, so the cable guys rely on our close knit neighborhood for access.


Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at January 25, 2013 10:37 AM (Qxe/p)

208 One Detroit mother is fighting to ensure that the dutiful dog who served alongside her son is buried in a national cemetery.
Mina is a male black lab who served nine tours of duty in Afghanistan and was promoted to sergeant before retiring from the Army, Fox 2 News reported. The dog served three tours with Michigan native Army Sgt. Corey McCourt.
"The dog sits in front of the bomb and my son, who does this, goes in and he disarms the bomb after the dog finds it," McCourt's mother, June Etlinger, told Fox 2 News.
But after developing a serious lung ailment at age 13, Mina was euthanized. And with her son still serving in the Army, Etlinger was tasked with finding a suitable final resting place for the canine hero. She'd like it to be Great Lakes National Cemetery in Holly, Mich.
"My father is buried there and my grandmother and grandfather are buried there. It's a beautiful cemetery and it's an honorable cemetery, and I just feel that Mina deserves that as well," Etlinger said.
But the cemetery official denied Etlinger's request. She said an official told her a canine burial is not allowed.
"I don't think he's ever been asked that question before, so he was kind of like no, we don't do that here," Etlinger said told the TV station.
For now, Mina's remains are secured at an animal hospital in Michigan, but Etlinger vows to continue to fight for a proper military burial for Mina.
"He may be a dog, but he's a soldier and he deserves it," she said.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2013 10:38 AM (9Bj8R)

209 193 Diogenes Lamp,

You sound like one of the guys I am looking for then.

DL if you ever get inspired in the next half decade to buy in, or "work your way to shares" let me know.

I am VERY serious about a 'conservative smmune/corp' as odious as I find the notion I do recall that pioneers often went proto-socialist for a bit to launch their own stabs at the prosperity and self-relaince kick.

If we created "moron Inc." as a land trust/conglomerate we might be able to get the intital land cash on the barrelhead to leverage for starter capital.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 10:38 AM (LRFds)

210 >I'd expect the unions to object to the smart meters because ummm...jobs.


Posted by: @PurpAv at January 25, 2013 10:33 AM (GlnE7)

smart meter technology has wiped out a lot of meter reader jobs- mostly thru attrition

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 25, 2013 10:38 AM (8sCoq)

211 If you all want to start a community in Texas, I've a hell of an idea for a 250 to 500kW power source.
24 hour off-grid power. Rough estimate is around $1 to $1.5 mill.
One source I've seen says, figure a peak of 15kW per house.
So, 15 to 30 houses; selling the excess.


How big are you thinking?

I might be able to facilitate access to 160 acres.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 10:38 AM (8y9MW)

212 Listening to Beck interviewing Rand Paul.

I'm beginning to love Rand. He's a take-no-prisoners kind of guy.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 25, 2013 10:40 AM (UOM48)

213
"Satanic serial killers" only exist in death
metal songs, shitty horror movies, corrupt prosecutors' imaginations,
and failed insanity defenses.

Posted by: oblig. at January 25, 2013 10:23 AM (cePv


Oh, by the way, that's not true. I know of a case where a man named Steven Kemp killed a Satanist called "Jose Mark Ferrante" who was "consorting with demons." Kemp claimed Ferrante was going to put a curse on him if he left the group. He shot him, then poured gasoline on him and set it on fire. (He claimed he needed to burn the body to prevent the curse from working.)

He claimed self defense.







Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 25, 2013 10:40 AM (bb5+k)

214 211 Allen G,

Heh....by the way this is what I was discussing with "Run Red."

There is no reason for us to be their target.

We can beat them with work.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 10:41 AM (LRFds)

215 smart meter technology has wiped out a lot of meter reader jobs- mostly thru attrition

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 25, 2013 10:38 AM (8sCoq)


Here, too. Most of them "switched" duties to things like monitoring sewer conditions and keeping irrigation ditches intact.

What part of Colorado are you in? I'm in Louisville.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at January 25, 2013 10:41 AM (Qxe/p)

216 Does that happen?

I've read of a handful of instances a couple years ago. That may have been due to tampering, poor design, or whatever.

A standoff meter-main (main breaker outside with the meter rather than inside) makes it easy for the firemen shut the place down if need be. It also gives you more flexibility on where to place the first panel inside since its now a OCPD protected subpanel and there's no need for it to be within X feet of the meter.

The "old way" leaves a section of non-breaker/fuse protected wire between the meter and main breaker that does a wall penetration.

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 25, 2013 10:42 AM (GlnE7)

217 I've always assumed that the ultimate goal of the "smart meters" was to regulate how much energya household uses. I still do. It's right in the Liberal wheelhouse. "You are using 60% more energy than the average household in your neighborhood, so you are contributing 60% more to the destruction of the environment. Your power has been reduced to the acceptable limit established by Code 123of Chapter XYZ of the Department of Agriculture standard regulations. If you have any questions, please contact your local Green Enforcement Officer."

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 25, 2013 10:42 AM (ZshNr)

218 203 Brandon in BR,

which was a dumb move by the Vors, they should have welcomed them home and shown unity.

It is not like Ivan was going to treat the vets well and it was immoral and the SU "normals" knew it.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 10:43 AM (LRFds)

219 If these smart meters are equipped with a means of remote disconnect, then you should worry. Then again, there are ways to render them "inoperable."

Posted by: Fritz at January 25, 2013 10:44 AM (/ZZCn)

220 Rand Paul is going to attend the Right to Life march.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 25, 2013 10:45 AM (UOM48)

221 How big are you thinking?

I might be able to facilitate access to 160 acres.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 10:38 AM (8y9MW)

Allen I'm curious (no not that oe)How much land does it take, say a family of 6 to be self sustaining on a piece of land , is there water available, wells be dug?
I now hate that i've grown up in cities.

Posted by: Ette at January 25, 2013 10:45 AM (nqBYe)

222 If Electoral Vote apportionment in PA went through, it wouldcost the Dems about 5 or 6 EVs. Of course, in the unlikely event of aGOP win in AP, it would cost them close to 13 EVs. Ti me the reward is worth the risk. Philly's voter fraud machine (which would be worth investing in shutting down more than changing the EVs, to me) would lose it's insane abilty to award the entire state's EVs to the Dems.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at January 25, 2013 10:45 AM (YmPwQ)

223
I'm sorry I just don't trust the Feds not to misuse power and not because I am coo coo for cocoa puffs....



Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 10:30 AM (LRFds)


I have long been working to get off the grid as much as possible. Currently i'm planning to use natural gas to generate my own electricity, (and heat my house with the waste heat for added efficiency.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 25, 2013 10:45 AM (bb5+k)

224 I would probably go with using Marine Yacht batteries, banked up and controlled using RV like wiring and back up banking.

Check on golf cart batteries. IIRC, that is what most home solar systems use. Made to charge/discharge repeatedly.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2013 10:45 AM (GFM2b)

225 Have I gone dyslexic? AP=PA. Sheesh.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at January 25, 2013 10:45 AM (YmPwQ)

226 I talked to some woman on a religion forum once who was a Witch married to a Satanist. From what I could gather Satanism for them was more about having orgies he watched her preside over and thinking there were sticking something in the eye of Christianity. Neither actually believed in Satan They just saw HIM as the spirit of license and "freedom" She was in her late 20 and he was in his early 30's and it seemed like a delayed adolesence.
So I don't think Satanists are doing ritualized murder.

I do however believe in Satan. I just don't think he's the cardboard figure with horns and a tail presented in popular culture.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 25, 2013 10:46 AM (+qMCO)

227 Speaking of electricity, we were looking at light switches and outlets at Lowe's yesterday. Kinda cool how they make them with timers built in and such.

And I totally need the USB wall outlet...

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 25, 2013 10:46 AM (SUKHu)

228 Some people have a strange paranoia about utility meters. One thing I saw a lot as a meter reader was, people thought if they put a rock on top of the gas meter, it would 'run slower'. No amount of explaining on my part how ridiculous this was ever changed these peoples' minds. They were convinced they were getting over on the gas company. Of course the really crazy people would just remove the meter completely and use garden hose or auto radiator hose in its place. This is a great way to blow up your house.

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 25, 2013 10:46 AM (8sCoq)

229 as odious as I find the notion I do recall that pioneers often went proto-socialist for a bit

I've never really had an objection to opt-in resource-sharing groups, and I don't think any of us do, really. What else is a church pot-luck?

What we object to is being forced into these groups.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 25, 2013 10:47 AM (ZKzrr)

230
I've always assumed that the ultimate goal of the "smart meters" was to regulate how much energya household uses.


To do that requires a lot more hardware than just a meter. You can't just partially shutdown a meter. Its on or its off. To take out A/C and other heavy draw circuits would require some logic as well as heavy duty contactors wired in series in the circuit to be controlled.

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 25, 2013 10:47 AM (GlnE7)

231 218 203 Brandon in BR,

which was a dumb move by the Vors, they should have welcomed them home and shown unity.

It is not like Ivan was going to treat the vets well and it was immoral and the SU "normals" knew it.

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True, but crime bosses in all settings tend to threaten the person making such a suggestion in ways that the subject is dropped quickly.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 25, 2013 10:48 AM (e0xKF)

232 I do however believe in Satan. I just don't think he's the cardboard figure with horns and a tail presented in popular culture.

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The greatest trick he ever pulled was convincing the world he doesn't exist.

Posted by: Roger 'Verbal' Kint at January 25, 2013 10:49 AM (e0xKF)

233 I'm happy with what Rand Paul is doing so far. But no more unconditional love for any politician from me.It's strictly "what have you done for me lately?" from now on.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at January 25, 2013 10:49 AM (YmPwQ)

234 224 RickB223,

Yeah so are the yacht batteries. The main thing is we have to weather a period and start developing the skills needed to make the thing work. The less reliant you are on the grid the harder it is to coerce you.

An electrical savvy moron could probably try out both arrays and then figure which responded better to trickle dynamics.

The main thing is doing your best to not let them force you into the cities.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 10:49 AM (LRFds)

235 154 If people start making waves about what kind of meter is on your house, the power company can just put them at the transformer.
Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 25, 2013 10:17 AM (evdj2)


Get off my lawn...

Posted by: cajun carrot at January 25, 2013 10:50 AM (UZQM8)

236 And I totally need the USB wall outlet...

Is that not sweet?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2013 10:50 AM (GFM2b)

237
What we object to is being forced into these groups.


Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 25, 2013 10:47 AM (ZKzrr)

with no opt out.

Posted by: Ette at January 25, 2013 10:50 AM (nqBYe)

238 233
I'm happy with what Rand Paul is doing so far. But no more unconditional
love for any politician from me.It's strictly "what have you done for
me lately?" from now on.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at January 25, 2013 10:49 AM (YmPwQ



Yep.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 25, 2013 10:50 AM (UOM48)

239 >I've always assumed that the ultimate goal of the "smart meters" was to regulate how much energya household uses.


There are electric companies that have this technology- but the customer has to opt in- they can't force it on you.

Yet.

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 25, 2013 10:50 AM (8sCoq)

240 An EMP gun? Hell yeah!


Posted by: EC at January 25, 2013 10:36 AM (GQ8sn)


The ideas I have don't lend themselves very well to a "gun" sort of design. They are pretty much planer omnidirectional. There might be a way to focus the effect more in one direction than another, but it might not be very wieldly.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 25, 2013 10:50 AM (bb5+k)

241 Family of 6? Depends upon the land and climate. Might want to look into things like micro-farming. Hard to be covert about greenhouses unless far enough away from the roads and direct sight.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 10:51 AM (Mj6r9)

242 Allen I'm curious (no not that oe)How much land does it take, say a
family of 6 to be self sustaining on a piece of land , is there water
available, wells be dug?
I now hate that i've grown up in cities.


I'm a city-slicker, too, so I'm working off vague memories of stories my mom and her side of the family tell. Also: History.

Basically, if a family was going to be completely self sufficient, they needed about an acre per family (in addition to living space). So, call it 1.33+ acres. That would feed a family of (IIRC) up to 8 pretty well.

If you're willing not to be completely self sufficient, you can get by with less.

As for water, west Texas is a desert, in all but name. Some people have wells, I'm not sure if that's feasible at my family farm. My mom and her sister vaguely remember using a cistern for water, but a Water District (essentially "city water" for multiple cities) came in pretty quickly and the farm gets water from that.

As for this farm specifically, it has a "garden" of between 1/2 and 1 acre (they never measured it), which is set up in an area that requires little irrigation- which is good, because there's no way to set up irrigation out there (it was a cattle farm, not a crop farm), so water has to be hauled up there when it's too dry.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 10:51 AM (8y9MW)

243 bl

Posted by: Ette at January 25, 2013 10:51 AM (nqBYe)

244 If you all want to start a community in Texas, I've a hell of an idea for a 250 to 500kW power source.
24 hour off-grid power. Rough estimate is around $1 to $1.5 mill.
One source I've seen says, figure a peak of 15kW per house.
So, 15 to 30 houses; selling the excess.



Posted by: RoyalOil at January 25, 2013 10:36 AM (imtbm)


Geo-Thermal?


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 25, 2013 10:52 AM (bb5+k)

245 Looks like someone else is getting into the shale oil game...

Australia is sitting on a field that is believed, at the low end, to contain as much recoverable oil as the Bakken formation in North Dakota.

Story link in name.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 25, 2013 10:52 AM (e0xKF)

246 Purp, yeah I'm talking about down the road. These smart meters themselves may not be anything too serious, but I've lived too long to not guess where this is going. The Greens admit thatforcing people to use less energy istheir goal, so there really is no mystery about that. Do I think that they're mandating these new regs so that meter readers don't have to walk as much? Nope, not for a minute.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 25, 2013 10:52 AM (ZshNr)

247 They were convinced they were getting over on the gas company.

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 25, 2013 10:46 AM (8sCoq)

Dunno about you, but I am paying $25/month in the winter in between a gas heater (72Deg F), stove (cook EVERY day), dryer (2-5 loads a day) and generator that I flip on mainly because $25/month is the minimum they charge no matter what.

If these people are trying to save a few bucks by getting one over on the gas company, they have bigger problems.

Posted by: cajun carrot at January 25, 2013 10:53 AM (UZQM8)

248 Thanks Allen. perhaps i should check out sites for self sufficiency things.

thanks.
bbl

Posted by: Ette at January 25, 2013 10:53 AM (nqBYe)

249
I've always assumed that the ultimate goal of the "smart meters" was to regulate how much energya household uses.
---
What they will allow is variable billing rates. That is, charge more at periods of peak demand.

Posted by: RioBravo at January 25, 2013 10:53 AM (eEfYn)

250 >>Is that not sweet?

I know, right? I resisted the urge to buy a few without finding anything out about them.

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 25, 2013 10:54 AM (SUKHu)

251 Book thread material: Elaine Pagels wrote a good book called "The Origin of Satan".

The Evil Satan was invented by the evangelists, first to blame the Jews (once the Christians were expelled from the synagogues) and then the Romans and then to demonize (See what I did there?) the heretics.

If you believe in monotheism, then the only satan that exists are the ones that are sent to thwart you.

I have to agree with St. Augustine on this one. btw, never call an Augustinian priest to perform an exorcism.

Posted by: Al at January 25, 2013 10:54 AM (V70Uh)

252 The Devil, as in Job, is more of a prosecuting attorney trying to get Scooter Libby to perjure himself before G-d. How else to test the mettle of the faithful? He is there to test how resilient or brittle one's faith is. So it is Man himself that condemns himself to separation from G-d by failing these tests. Something to ponder that I just threw out right now.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 10:54 AM (Mj6r9)

253 229 Ms Radish,

Oh I agree you'll never see me arguing against collective interest by choice.

It is the mating of the massive coercive power of the state with the evil side of democratic calculus.

You and I choosing how generous to be, what our acceptable margins of profit are, and coupling together in a group and setting a peer pressure dynamic by choice on the limits of the above is not only moral but a cornerstone of freedom.

Allowing the unaccountable coercion of that peer pressure dynamic against targeted groups based on no first hand judgement is monstrous, and that concept is the BASELINE of Alinsky.

Ms. Radish part of why in your darker hours recently that I won't elaborate on here when you and I interacted I was so insistent on you having worth was in fact that you can lay hand on rope and with that rope we can pull a better standard of living through those choices together.

Free Markets, coupled with moral people will always do a better job of taking care of the community than the super state.

The superstate does not want power to do good it wants power to want power.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 10:55 AM (LRFds)

254 I thought they alreasdy chargerd more at peak hours. No?

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 25, 2013 10:55 AM (ZshNr)

255 Another of Satan's tricks, IMO. is to convince people he's all about "freedom" C.S. Lewis dealt with that in a popular book in his Screwtape Letters".

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 25, 2013 10:55 AM (+qMCO)

256 249
I've always assumed that the ultimate goal of the "smart meters" was to regulate how much energya household uses.
---
What they will allow is variable billing rates. That is, charge more at periods of peak demand.

---

Which is horseshit if they're doing it in some states but not others like, say, California.

The heavy regulation of power prices in California is how we got shit like Enron and they still haven't fixed the problems.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 25, 2013 10:56 AM (e0xKF)

257 Yeah so are the yacht batteries. The main thing is we have to weather a period and start developing the skills needed to make the thing work.

The one thing I thought of after hitting "post", I wonder if there is a cost/stigma premium added to a "yacht" battery.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2013 10:56 AM (GFM2b)

258 245 Brandon in BR,

That is why we need to start agitating on the state level using our micro resources as the pivot point and fight that way against EPA and leviathan.

The democrats basically just sold America on the notion that using a quadrillion bucks in resources to fix the economy was "not a balanced approach."

I say fuck the Feds and let us work and grow.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 10:57 AM (LRFds)

259 The thing is, you can't get over on a utility company. They have rooms full of people whose only job is stop loss. So no matter how ingenious the customer's plan to hide usage or steal service, the utility always catches up with it.

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 25, 2013 10:57 AM (8sCoq)

260 >>>I thought they alreasdy chargerd more at peak hours. No?

It really depends on where you live. Large municipalities most likely do. If you're in fly-over country, a fixed rate is fairly common.

Posted by: Fritz at January 25, 2013 10:57 AM (/ZZCn)

261 I've read a lot of Elaine Pagels. I'm bored by her now.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 25, 2013 10:58 AM (+qMCO)

262 If you believe in monotheism, then the only satan that exists are the ones that are sent to thwart you.

Except that the Bible specifically talks about the Devil being an actual being. Lucifer, fallen angel and rebel against God.

Of course, it also talks about Necromancy actually working (see also: Endor, Witch Of).

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 10:58 AM (8y9MW)

263 The main thing is doing your best to not let them force you into the cities.
Posted by: sven10077
-----------------

I am working so hard to get out the county. I hate the city, and these days with the FSA sleeper cells lurking everywhere I no longer feel at all safe in the city.

Posted by: gigg at January 25, 2013 10:59 AM (41VCE)

264 257 RickB223,

Maybe the other concern I have and why I deferred back to yacht/RV type is that they are designed to be more PM free.

The thing is the aide conex you use as a dump if properly engineered so they can't whine about "enviromental impact!" will allow access to your dump.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 10:59 AM (LRFds)

265 Hard to be covert about greenhouses unless far enough away from the roads and direct sight.


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 10:51 AM (Mj6r9)


----

Well..... that's what my drones are for .....silly winger.

Posted by: Big Sis at January 25, 2013 11:00 AM (nELVU)

266 AllenG,

Old Testament?


Posted by: Al at January 25, 2013 11:00 AM (V70Uh)

267
You sound like one of the guys I am looking for then.

DL if you ever get inspired in the next half decade to buy in, or "work your way to shares" let me know.

I
am VERY serious about a 'conservative smmune/corp' as odious as I find
the notion I do recall that pioneers often went proto-socialist for a
bit to launch their own stabs at the prosperity and self-relaince kick.

If
we created "moron Inc." as a land trust/conglomerate we might be able
to get the intital land cash on the barrelhead to leverage for starter
capital.


Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 10:38 AM (LRFds)


With the future uncertainty facing us all, i'm certainly in favor of keeping my options open I currently have pretty solid roots in the area i'm in, and am not really in a position to re-locate. I am almost finished building a natural gas filling station for vehicles, and i've got a host of other irons in the fire of a similar nature.

We may be working towards common goals and ideas, but I estimate you are about 300 miles away from me. I'd rather not get into too many details on an open blog, but perhaps we can exchange information in a more private manner elsewhere. I haven't been on that AOS user group for awhile, but I would suppose that it has some provision for private messaging. I 'll have to look into it.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 25, 2013 11:00 AM (bb5+k)

268
Geo-Thermal?

I've had an idea percolating for some time. Would it be feasable to have a house H/Csystem that consists of say, one or two 50ft lengths of 3ft diameter aluminum tubing underground, with a forced-air system to recirculate the air inside the house to the tube(s)? Admittedly, the design would work best if the house was designed around the system, with the intake of warmer air coming from the attic and the vents in the floor.

I wonder how deep below ground level you'd need to bury the tubes. Or if the heat would be transferred to the tubes properly at all.

Needless to say, this idea is still at the napkin phase of development.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 25, 2013 11:00 AM (+z4pE)

269 The ideas I have don't lend themselves very well to a "gun" sort of
design. They are pretty much planer omnidirectional. There might be a
way to focus the effect more in one direction than another, but it might
not be very wieldly.



An EMP box? Hell yeah!

Posted by: EC at January 25, 2013 11:00 AM (GQ8sn)

270 220 Rand Paul is going to attend the Right to Life march.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 25, 2013 10:45 AM (UOM4

I should go. Meetings got cancelled for the day, I'm just a short hop from downtown.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at January 25, 2013 11:01 AM (FsUAO)

271 265 Big Sis,

and that is what EMP guns will be for Big Sis.....

the US is slowly trying to be London...

I have better things to do than be wank porn for stalkers.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 11:01 AM (LRFds)

272 I thought they alreasdy chargerd more at peak hours. No?
---
They might but I am not personally aware of that for residential customers anywhere. They certainly can with smart meters. With older meters they had no way of knowing when an individual units use occurred during the month in order to bill accordingly. The variable rates I have seen are just monthly usage tiers.

Posted by: RioBravo at January 25, 2013 11:02 AM (eEfYn)

273 Since I don't have any first-hand knowledge, mercifully, it is a theological question that I hope we need not know the answer to until after the second-coming.

Posted by: Al at January 25, 2013 11:02 AM (V70Uh)

274 How does "geo thermal" work? I asked my sustainable development major stepson about it and he explained it as "digging a deep hole in the ground".

And then what?

"Ummm..."


*wonders where all the tuition money went*

Posted by: EC at January 25, 2013 11:02 AM (GQ8sn)

275 Old Testament?

Yes, Old Testament (the Witch of Endor is in 1 Samuel or 1 Chronicles, IIRC).
Though the NT refers to the Devil as a real being in the Temptation of Jesus.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 11:02 AM (8y9MW)

276 I know, right? I resisted the urge to buy a few without finding anything out about them.

I first saw them on thinkgeek dot com. They were kinda light on details also.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2013 11:02 AM (GFM2b)

277 Needless to say, this idea is still at the napkin phase of development.

----

I think you need to go down like 30 something feet usually to get to a stable 50 something degree temperature. That will keep you freezing in the winter and boiling in the summer. In the winter you will need some method of wood heat to supplement.

Posted by: gigg at January 25, 2013 11:03 AM (41VCE)

278 I am Walrudamus, great seer who can see the future. In five years, the media will determine that the debt is all the Republicans fault because they didn't work with Obama to reduce the deficit.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 25, 2013 11:04 AM (hyB08)

279 That will keep you freezing in the winter and boiling in the summer.

I think you wanted a "from" in there somewhere.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 11:04 AM (8y9MW)

280 Everything is inescapably going digital and nettified. Analog broadcasts? Paper trucker logs? Autos w/o black boxes? What today merely replaces old functions (meter reading) tomorrow can and will be used against you. The early smart meters are not the later smarter meters. Camel's nose. Gradualism, like how they come for the guns, eh? Info gathered can spy on you, control you, and doesn't have to "listen in on your conversations" (strawman) - anyway your smart tv is already doing that. Programs already exist which correlate your utilities and phone and credit card and other monitorable activities to deduce your behavior. But what difference does it make, right? Thank goodness we have a benign government!

Don't listen to me. I'm the guy who tapes over my cell's cameras and believes that the mic is always open.

Posted by: Mindfulguy in a designer tinfoil hat at January 25, 2013 11:04 AM (p74mI)

281 (2-5 loads a day) and generator that I flip on mainly because $25/month is the minimum they charge no matter what.

If these people are trying to save a few bucks by getting one over on the gas company, they have bigger problems.

Posted by: cajun carrot at January 25, 2013 10:53 AM (UZQM

2-5 loads a day?

Posted by: RWC at January 25, 2013 11:04 AM (fWAjv)

282 As I recall, the Witch of Endor summoned Isaiah from his slumber. But did she invoke Satan to do it?


Posted by: Al at January 25, 2013 11:04 AM (V70Uh)

283 267 Diogenes Lamp,

I've never in all these years taken part in the Yahoo group, but may get back on twitter. I have to run down to Texas on unrelated business next week my wife's favorite private from her deployments is getting promoted and she asked Wife down to Ft Hood to see her pinned Sgt.

I will most definitely be in contact or make myself available on Twitter again after the move to Carolina is complete.

If the Army fires wife early to "balance the budget" we are about to go through a massive restabilization of our family finances, but I am not afraid.

You sound like you have notions of your own alread going if you are a defacto POL point though.

Hats off.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 11:04 AM (LRFds)

284 279 sorry I get excited when folks talk about going off grid. I have always wanted to do this (back in the Bush days even). The idea of self reliance is so liberating to me.

Posted by: gigg at January 25, 2013 11:06 AM (41VCE)

285 "Satanic serial killers" only exist in death metal songs, shitty horror movies, corrupt prosecutors' imaginations, and failed insanity defenses.

Perhaps. I always thought Maury Terry did a good job ofpositing a Sataniccult beingbehind the Arlis Perry and Son of Sam murders in The Ultimate Evil.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 25, 2013 11:06 AM (zF6Iw)

286 As I recall, the Witch of Endor summoned Isaiah from his slumber. But did she invoke Satan to do it?

Ummm... not Isaiah. He hadn't been born yet (we're talking King Saul, here).

And, not that it mentions. I was just pointing out that the Bible talks about things actually happening that we dismiss out of hand because "Science."

People often forget that the Court Magicians in Egypt did the same things that Moses did (on a small scale) for his first several Signs.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 11:06 AM (8y9MW)

287 I don't really see how Piers Morgan was owned at all. The 2 respondents were clearly rattled by the question, and didn't want to answer it, given the implications of approving of fully automatic weapons. They looked bad.

This weekend I tried to address this problem in a serious way for just this reason. Some understood the need, others didn't.

Posted by: pep at January 25, 2013 11:07 AM (YXmuI)

288 Once again I faced with the decision to either laugh or cry.
Really
people you are offended by a Princess Bride t-shirt? But we have to
protect the rights of murderous jihad terror tourist because we do not
want to be cultural insensitive.


Posted by: Long Island at January 25, 2013 09:50 AM (hl8SI)

Well, I have never seen the movie, and don't know who Inigo Montoya is, or whatever. (full disclaimer: I sorta assumed he was some trendy Spanish poet) I don't go to movies. Why feed the Beast?
But, having said that, I wouldn't get my knickers in a knot if I saw someone wearing that shirt on an airplane. You have to figure, that in any random sample of humans, there's bound to be a few weirdos.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 25, 2013 11:08 AM (29+x5)

289 OK, it was Samuel that was summoned.


Posted by: Al at January 25, 2013 11:08 AM (V70Uh)

290 274 EC,

Geo-thermal works on the concept of circulating heat coils basically you tap into a portion of the earth that maintains a stable temperature by mechanical means in your dwelling.

It is a supplement not a primary power source for most folks, and is very dependent on your local geography.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 11:08 AM (LRFds)

291 Analog broadcasts?>>

When I installed my TV antenna I was surprised there was one analog station I received. It's in Spanish so not of any use to me but I thought the govt shut all analog down.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 25, 2013 11:08 AM (81UWZ)

292
I think you need to go down like 30 something feet usually to get to a stable 50 something degree temperature. That will keep you freezing in the winter and boiling in the summer. In the winter you will need some method of wood heat to supplement.

Caves are a fairly consistent 68 degrees.

I also live where it's warm most of the time. Perhaps a way to reverse the airflow for colder climes would work. And a stove for heat is never a bad idea.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 25, 2013 11:09 AM (+z4pE)

293 Well, I have never seen the movie, and don't know who Inigo Montoya is, or whatever. (full disclaimer: I sorta assumed he was some trendy Spanish poet)


LOL, I thought the same exact thing

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 11:09 AM (l86i3)

294 I've heard more than one sermon in liberal mainline churches that says basically there was no Satan "In his temptation Jesus was hearing conflicting voices within himself." They often try to explain away exactly what Jesus said about Satan with "We enlightened people know better now."

I think damage is also done on blaming Satan for everything that goes wrong which seems to be a "me" and entitlement centered faith. I mean "I didn't get my parking space. or "I had a flat tire." Satan must be trying thwart me." No, someone was quicker in getting to the parking space and you didn't put air in your tires.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 25, 2013 11:10 AM (+qMCO)

295 Geo-thermal works on the concept of circulating heat coils basically you
tap into a portion of the earth that maintains a stable temperature by
mechanical means in your dwelling.

It is a supplement not a primary power source for most folks, and is very dependent on your local geography.




Does it work? That doesn't sound all that reliable to me.

Posted by: EC at January 25, 2013 11:10 AM (GQ8sn)

296 Barry picked a white man as his chief of staff. How racist and sexist of him

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 25, 2013 11:10 AM (1Jaio)

297 Tell the sustainable major that he should look under Vulcanism and Iceland for geo-thermal. And you want 15% of what he is paying in tuition.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 11:10 AM (Mj6r9)

298 I also live where it's warm most of the time. Perhaps a way to reverse the airflow for colder climes would work. And a stove for heat is never a bad idea.

There is a place here in TN I think that makes nice wood burning cook stoves. That is on the shopping list for the new house. They will heat water, warm the house etc. Very efficient way to heat a home in the winter. It's a bitch in the summer though.

Posted by: gigg at January 25, 2013 11:11 AM (41VCE)

299 This kind of reminds me ofsome years ago. Word that Google was going to do their "street view' thing had circulated among my friends and workmates andwe were discussing whether this was a good/bad thing, an invasion of privacy, a step towards something else, etc. Well it was all moot because within about a month or two of hearing about it I was able to look up my home and the home of everyone else I knew. Technologymightbe a long time coming, but when it arrives it arrives in a flash and it's here forever.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 25, 2013 11:11 AM (ZshNr)

300 284 Gigg,

No worries, it is not cheap but nothing worth having ever is. I wonder why there is not pressure on Congress to force a land rush by homesteading some of their land? The GOP could make inroads with the poor by casting the Federal govt as the ultimate 1%.


Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 11:11 AM (LRFds)

301 I wonder how deep below ground level you'd need to bury the tubes. Or if
the heat would be transferred to the tubes properly at all


I grew up in an old 1880's farmhouse in upstate NY with field stone foundation and dirt floors in the basement. The basement was always pleasantly cool even on the hottest summer day.

That we were near a swamp with the swamp's water level being maybe a foot below the dirt floor may have had something to do with it.

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 25, 2013 11:11 AM (GlnE7)

302
>>> I am Walrudamus, great seer who can see the future. In five years, the media will determine that the debt is all the Republicans fault because they didn't work with Obama to reduce the deficit.


We didn't "invest in our future" enough!!1!1!

Posted by: soothsayer at January 25, 2013 11:12 AM (GcwH1)

303 Well, I have never seen the movie, and don't know who Inigo Montoya is,
or whatever. (full disclaimer: I sorta assumed he was some trendy
Spanish poet)





LOL, I thought the same exact thing



It's a moron approved movie as it is incredibly quotable. Lots of great one-liners and zingers in there. Mandy Patinkin's delivery of that line and his facial expression is what makes it classic.

Posted by: EC at January 25, 2013 11:12 AM (GQ8sn)

304 Indigo Montoya to the six-fingered man, "You killed my father, prepare to die!"

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 11:12 AM (Mj6r9)

305
Needless to say, this idea is still at the napkin phase of development.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 25, 2013 11:00 AM (+z4pE)

Throw it out. The heat transfer characteristics of air are terrible compared to water. A far more efficient system is to utilize water (mixed with anti-freeze) to circulate through pipes (polypipe is normally used) and absorb (or expel) heat through them.

Water is one of the simplest and easiest ways to transfer heat from one thermal body to another. That's why it is almost universal in cooling systems for engines. Air cooled engines are generally used for reasons of low cost, weight savings and/or design simplicity. Water cooling is normally far more feasible when discussing large heat transfers.

Circulate water, then use a radiator to transfer the heat to the air inside the house. This is more or less how ground augmented heat pump systems work.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 25, 2013 11:12 AM (bb5+k)

306 Miracle Max, "Have fun storming the castle!"

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 11:13 AM (Mj6r9)

307 When I was younger, I was all into the back to the Earth type movement. . There is a tremendous amount of information out there on passive heating and cooling etc. Some very simple, if you build with it in mind.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 25, 2013 11:13 AM (evdj2)

308 Does it work? That doesn't sound all that reliable to me.

If you can move enough water through the coils yes it will work. It is used to supplement heat pumps now. If you want to use it for primary heating and cooling it may not be feasible for your home. It does depend on your area though.

Posted by: gigg at January 25, 2013 11:13 AM (41VCE)

309 Indigo Montoya to the six-fingered man, "You killed my father, prepare to die!"

Have you ever considered being a pirate? You'd make a fantastic Dread Pirate Roberts.

Posted by: The Dread Pirate Wesly at January 25, 2013 11:13 AM (8y9MW)

310
It's a bitch in the summer though.

Hence "shotgun houses" here in the South. The kitchen was on one side, living and sleeping area on the other, separated by a porch.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 25, 2013 11:14 AM (+z4pE)

311 There are still low power analog TV stations in the U.S. I think they all have to be off by September 1, 2015.

Posted by: RioBravo at January 25, 2013 11:14 AM (eEfYn)

312
An EMP box? Hell yeah!


Posted by: EC at January 25, 2013 11:00 AM (GQ8sn)

Range is a function of power, and I believe it will likely obey the inverse square law. Meaning getting any good distance out of it requires a hellofalot of power.

Focusing could sure help if a way to do it could be figured out.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 25, 2013 11:14 AM (bb5+k)

313 I mean "I didn't get my parking space. or "I had a flat tire." Satan must be trying thwart me." No, someone was quicker in getting to the parking space and you didn't put air in your tires.


Kate Upton is currently not blowing me.

Satan.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at January 25, 2013 11:15 AM (BrQrN)

314 295 EC,

It works well enough the left shut the fuck up about it when Bush built a more green home than Al Gore.

Yeah it works great, the problem is that your heat savings can be ate up by costs to maintain it if things go wrong, but if I had been smart here in Indiana and built the house out in the country I was getting it put in.

It's one of those things you really want to bake in the cake along with cisterns for keeping your lawn green all sorts of things.

That whole paradigm is why the neo-luddites piss me off with regards to global poverty.

The 3d world has the opportunity to do SO MANY THINGS more intelligently than we did because we were the punching dummy for development, but the left wants them right where they are slaving for peanuts to live and not gaining lifestyle for their toil.

If this nation does in fact go full bore fucking insane we really do need to become the "new Jews" and teach people to make real gain whereever we run to.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 11:15 AM (LRFds)

315 I have like 200 acres of land in the middle of nowhere New Mexico. It is northern part of the state, but I do not think I could handle going that "Off the grid". I think the land is mostly like Australia, it is currently used for sheep farming.

Posted by: gigg at January 25, 2013 11:16 AM (41VCE)

316 Church Lady, "hhmmm Satan....?????"

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 11:16 AM (Mj6r9)

317 306 Miracle Max, "Have fun storming the castle!"

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You rush a miracle man, you get rotten miracles.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 25, 2013 11:16 AM (e0xKF)

318 @philipaklein Federal court DC circuit rules Obama NLRB recess appointments unconstitutional http://apne.ws/WzT5Kx

Posted by: 80sBaby at January 25, 2013 11:16 AM (YjDyJ)

319 one of the topics i've been pondering for the last year or so is how a person might create an EMP device.
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You and me both. But I don't the electronics background, just a penchant for mischief.

Look, a huge part of the plans to control us relies on modern technology, modern law enforcement lives and dies by the database and computer.

It would be impossible for the federal government to wage any sort of war against civilians if mini-EMP bursts have taken out their servers.

That, not firepower, is the huge advantage the federal government has right now; the ability to see and hear you while communicating over vast distances.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 25, 2013 11:16 AM (imtbm)

320 For the modern Progressive-Socialist, Republicans nicely fit the bill of Satan. Since Republicans want to wage war on womyn and their bodies, etc.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 11:17 AM (Mj6r9)

321 Kate Upton is currently not blowing me. Satan.

I am not suckling on Christina Hendricks' glorious breasts. Could it be. . .

SATAN?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 25, 2013 11:17 AM (zF6Iw)

322 Assault weapons. I do not think that word means what the MFM think it means.


I know someone who lost a bet and could not quote anything at all from the Princess Bride for a year. Needless to say, epic fun was had in taunting him.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 25, 2013 11:18 AM (VtjlW)

323 It's a moron approved movie as it is incredibly quotable. Lots of great
one-liners and zingers in there. Mandy Patinkin's delivery of that line
and his facial expression is what makes it classic.


Also, it has lots of great life lessons.

"One day, you won't mind the kissing."
"Never go up against a Sicilian, when death is on the line."
"Life is pain, highness. Anyone who says otherwise is selling something."
"I do not think it means what you think it means."
"Mostly dead means partly alive. With all dead there's only one thing you can do: search through his pockets for loose change."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 11:18 AM (8y9MW)

324 318 @philipaklein Federal court DC circuit rules Obama NLRB recess appointments unconstitutional http://apne.ws/WzT5Kx

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Let's see the court vacate any decisions made by the unconstitutionally appointed NLRB, pls.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 25, 2013 11:18 AM (e0xKF)

325 NEWS/

Just heard on radio that Sec. of Education director Arnie Duncan has issued a rule that schools must let disabled kids onto sports teams. Either that or form a league of their own.

Posted by: Serious Cat at January 25, 2013 11:18 AM (UypUQ)

326 If and when things crash I'll have to move in with one of you. ;^) I don' t have guns; I have no idea how to shoot them, I don't have stores of food and water in abundance and I have no idea to get off the electrical grid although the idea sounds appealing.

I really don't care so much for myself. "Whether I live or whether I die I live or die to the Lord." It's children I'm concerned with

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 25, 2013 11:18 AM (+qMCO)

327 I'm seriously surprised so many morons are happy with smart meters.

Here's why people don't like them.

A) They're not so "smart". My poor brother in law saw his electric bill sky rocket $600/month when they installed one at his house. Turns out there was some sort of glitch, but good luck getting a refund.

B) The slightly tin foil hatty belief that energy use can be more easily disrupted, especially for "heavy users".

Posted by: Lauren at January 25, 2013 11:19 AM (wsGWu)

328 I am not suckling on Christina Hendricks' glorious breasts. Could it be. . .

SATAN?
Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 25, 2013 11:17 AM (zF6Iw)



Oh hey, sorry about that. Didn't mean to get in your way.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 25, 2013 11:19 AM (VtjlW)

329 Hey MPPP on this date they found the Black Dahlia's shoe and purse.

AllenG, watch out for the RUS.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 11:19 AM (Mj6r9)

330
Circulate water, then use a radiator to transfer the heat to the air inside the house. This is more or less how ground augmented heat pump systems work.

*crumples up napkin* "Waitress! Dos cervesas, por favor!"

Although, I was thinking that the amount of heat transfer would be relatively small, but not knowing much about that (duh) I figured that something deceptively simple might work.

Oh well...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 25, 2013 11:19 AM (+z4pE)

331 Just heard on radio that Sec. of Education director Arnie Duncan has issued a rule that schools must let disabled kids onto sports teams. Either that or form a league of their own.

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Depends on how the kids are disabled, IMHO.

A kid in a wheelchair can be on the track team, but it's probably not a good idea to let them do the hurdles.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 25, 2013 11:20 AM (e0xKF)

332 I am currently not watching AtC suckling on Christina Hendricks' glorious breasts.

Satan.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at January 25, 2013 11:20 AM (BrQrN)

333 310 Yes in the old old days the kitchen was separate from the house.

When my family migrated to New Orleans they lived in a little camel back in the city. That's like a two-story shotgun.

Posted by: gigg at January 25, 2013 11:21 AM (41VCE)

334 AllenG, watch out for the RUS.

"ROUSes"

And I don't think they exist.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 11:21 AM (8y9MW)

335
You wouldn't need smart meters if my program to build 500 identical nuclear reactors is implimented.

Free, unlimitedgovernment supplied power for industry, commercial and private use.

Posted by: jwest at January 25, 2013 11:21 AM (ZDsRL)

336 AllenG, watch out for the RUS.

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Rodents of Unusual Size? There's no such thi...

Posted by: Dread Pirate Roberts at January 25, 2013 11:21 AM (e0xKF)

337 326 FenlonSpoke,

It's the children we're all concerned about really. If it gets to "survival mode" I think the right will cover down better than the left. FS we all have something to offer, and the tighter we get physically with regards to one another the worse things get the longer we can stave off the rot.

I should have leveraged my risk to the hilt back in 06 when nanny Botox took the gavel, but I blinked.

Hindsight is 20/20.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 11:21 AM (LRFds)

338 Posted by: Lauren at January 25, 2013 11:19 AM (wsGWu)

Again, it totally depends on the tech.

I'm for meters that charge differing rates based on peak use etc. As long as it's published openly beforehand(and maybe readable on meter?).

I'm against kill switches.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at January 25, 2013 11:21 AM (FsUAO)

339 >>A kid in a wheelchair can be on the track team, but it's probably not a good idea to let them do the hurdles.

Chairist.

Or Legist??

Hmm. If you care how someone moves, then would it be Move-ist?

Posted by: Mama AJ, clearly with too much time on her hands at January 25, 2013 11:23 AM (SUKHu)

340 Free, unlimitedgovernment supplied power for industry, commercial and private use.

Posted by: jwest at January 25, 2013 11:21 AM (ZDsRL)

Yes, because the consensus around here is that government isn't involved in enough of our economy.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 25, 2013 11:23 AM (GsoHv)

341
And then what?




Posted by: EC at January 25, 2013 11:02 AM (GQ8sn)

Depends on how much heat you can get out of the hole. In places where the underground is very hot, you can extract quite a bit of energy out of it. In places that have ordinary ground heat, the best you can do is use it as a source for a ground source heat pump. It dramatically improves the efficiency of a heating/cooling system, but it doesn't really generate any energy.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 25, 2013 11:23 AM (bb5+k)

342 And, yes, for the record: My cousins, brothers, and I could quote The Princess Bride from the "bloop-bloop-bloops" at the beginning though the final "as you wish" when we were teenagers.

It's been a while though, so I might mess up some of the lines.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 11:23 AM (8y9MW)

343 I adore Rand Paul and have since the moment he took office. Yet...remember people.... he is human and he will inevitably stumble.

When he does, let's try not to eat him alive for it.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 25, 2013 11:23 AM (piMMO)

344 Not that we need to add to the pile of potential conspiracies regarding the smart meter shit, but...

Hackers have already demonstrated proof-of-concept for hacking computers by tapping the power outlets. Most homes do not have shielded systems, and with a few pieces of equipment you can read computer power signals through the power system. They have shown a set-up that will display information down to keystrokes.

Of course, this doesn't mean that every power co. is just itching to report our info to Herr Fuhrer, but we should reflect on a few things as conservatives.

Centralization of information is a temptation for those fascistically inclined. And power corrupts. As Insty pointed out, even in the smallest of applications databases are routinely abused by local 'authorities.'

Remember Joe the Plumber? Yeah.

No, I don't expect abseiling men in googles to burst through our windows but ...

Vigilance.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 25, 2013 11:24 AM (xz0nG)

345 Sen. Clarence Saxby Chambliss, Jr. (R-GA) to retire

Posted by: Charlton Heston at January 25, 2013 11:24 AM (e8kgV)

346 A kid in a wheelchair can be on the track team, but it's probably not a good idea to let them do the hurdles.

Chairist.



The term is ableist. No, I'm not kidding.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 25, 2013 11:25 AM (VtjlW)

347 The one thing I do have is a stove, an ability to make a fire without matches and for the time being plenty of wood. Of course, I'll have to eat my cats and after that....;^).

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at January 25, 2013 11:25 AM (+qMCO)

348 Best quote evah?
"Gas, grass, or ass. Nobody rides for free."

Applies to more than just a '70's van.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2013 11:25 AM (GFM2b)

349 As I recall, the Witch of Endor summoned Isaiah from his slumber. But did she invoke Satan to do it?




Posted by: Al at January 25, 2013 11:04 AM (V70Uh)


I have always regarded that as a very puzzling bit in the bible. How could a "witch" summon a holy man's spirit?


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 25, 2013 11:25 AM (bb5+k)

350 Yes, because the consensus around here is that government isn't involved in enough of our economy.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 25, 2013 11:23 AM (GsoHv)There are some things that government is designed to do. One of them is to do projects so large that they can't be done privately. Also, if government was supplying the nuclear power, the storage problem for the waste could be solved immediately.

Posted by: jwest at January 25, 2013 11:25 AM (ZDsRL)

351
Regarding the conex thing.....

A common dodge in certain areas is to put up a cheap steel warehouse type building first, complete with water, power and sewage hookups. That's your permanent barn/workshop. Then pull an RV or fifth wheel in and do a "temporary" hookup to the utilities, while you are "building" your permanent abode on the property. It might be years before you ever finish that house.

The idea is that code requirements are less stringent for barns, sheds and warehouse-style buildings. And since you're actually living in the RV "temporarily" while you build your house, you don't get dinged for illegally living in your barn.


Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 25, 2013 11:25 AM (TIIx5)

352 339 >>A kid in a wheelchair can be on the track team, but it's probably not a good idea to let them do the hurdles.

Chairist.

Or Legist??

Hmm. If you care how someone moves, then would it be Move-ist?

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My old track coach used to make jokes about this kind of stuff to try and crack us up.

"What's this? *wheelchair motion* A handicapped guy doing the 100m.

What's this? *wheelchair motion* A handicapped guy doing the 1600m".

What's this? *hitting head repeatedly* A handicapped guy doing the 110m hurdles."

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 25, 2013 11:25 AM (e0xKF)

353 346 AlexTheChick,

Yup....

"I will write a law that gives me legs."

Good luck there dreamer.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 11:26 AM (LRFds)

354
I adore Rand Paul and have since the moment he took office. Yet...remember people.... he is human and he will inevitably stumble.

When he does, let's try not to eat him alive for it.


Yep. The Internet doesn't do a good job with that kind of thing, not sure why.

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 25, 2013 11:26 AM (4vofC)

355 330 the effort to keep a 5000 sq foot home at a perfect 72 degrees would be monumental. Depending on the load and insulation you could certainly make things inside more comfortable than the outside though. It all depends on your skills what equipment you have available etc. I think something could be done with heat pipes for example to keep you from freezing.

Posted by: gigg at January 25, 2013 11:26 AM (41VCE)

356 For a great look at evil, I give you David Parker Ray.

http://tinyurl.com/8poslvc

Talk about horrifying.

But hey, at least a gun wasn't used.

He would play this tape for his new victims.

"Hello there, bitch. Are you comfortable right now? I doubt it. Wrists and ankles chained. Gagged. Probably blind folded. You are disoriented and scared, too, I would imagine. Perfectly normal, under the circumstances. For a little while, at least, you need to get your shit together and listen to this tape. It is very relevant to your situation. I’m going to tell you, in detail, why you have been kidnapped, what’s going to happen to you and how long you’ll be here.

Posted by: RWC at January 25, 2013 11:26 AM (fWAjv)

357 A kid in a wheelchair can be on the track team, but it's probably not a good idea to let them do the hurdles.

Chairist.

The term is ableist. No, I'm not kidding.

What's the term for pole vaultist?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 25, 2013 11:27 AM (GFM2b)

358 353 346 AlexTheChick,

Yup....

"I will write a law that gives me legs."

Good luck there dreamer.

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Monty Python did a great takedown of this crap with Stan/Loretta's "right to have babies" in Life Of Brian.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 25, 2013 11:27 AM (e0xKF)

359 I am currently not laying naked with Liz Cheney in a post coital political discussion.


SATAN!!!

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 11:27 AM (l86i3)

360 How big are you thinking?
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Well, it's location specific. South Texas, Zavala County area.

Seriously though, I've ran the numbers. NREL has a nice software program you can download to test alternative energy plans.

With ERCOT approving a rate increase and another very likely on it's way, $.07kW/h will soon be $.08 or .09.

Add in the recently extended Production Tax Credit . . . .

Anyway, my idea is, instead of these huge power-generating plants, the real growth is going to be in the sub-megawatt range.

And, when SHTF, I'd rather have 200 250kW plants powering the grid than one 50MW plant.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 25, 2013 11:27 AM (imtbm)

361 I have always regarded that as a very puzzling bit in the bible. How could a "witch" summon a holy man's spirit?

Let me recommend the book "Seeing the Unseen." I don't subscribe to all the thinking, but the author postulates that she shouldn't have been able to. God was sending Saul a message: (to whit: "Don't mess with me.") and it was realizing she'd somehow summoned a holy man that made the Witch remember "Where have I seen this guy before?"

But, really, I don't know how Necromancy worked, so I couldn't tell you.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 11:28 AM (8y9MW)

362 "Also, if government was supplying the nuclear power, the storage problem for the waste could be solved immediately."

Posted by: jwest at January 25, 2013 11:25 AM (ZDsRL)

Like in Hanford?

No thanks.

Everything government touches will eventually turn to shit.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 25, 2013 11:28 AM (GsoHv)

363 Oh hey, sorry about that. Didn't mean to get in your way.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 25, 2013 11:19 AM (VtjlW)


No, no - I insist, after you, Imperial One. Allow Your Humble Servant to hold the reins of Your raptor as you partake of pleasure. . .

. . .I can watch, right?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 25, 2013 11:28 AM (zF6Iw)

364 351 ITC,

Yup, that is a good point. I have been kicking around the idea of barn living for a while. You have a nice PA Dutch Style Masonry lower and then wood or metal sides and a roof.

If inclined you can use the roof to heat water using solar.

Like I said I can live a lot lower to the grund happy than free shit army.

Free Shit Army is very used to having a very subsidized very comfy lifestyle.

I can do without a lot and I LIKE to work.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 11:28 AM (LRFds)

365 Federal Appeals Court says that Obama's NLRB "recess" appointments are un-Constitutional.

This should screw-up every meeting, every decision that has been made for about the last year (i.e. total chaos).

Posted by: Baron Vladimir Harkonnen at January 25, 2013 11:29 AM (e8kgV)

366
You sound like you have notions of your own alread going if you are a defacto POL point though.

Hats off.


Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 11:04 AM (LRFds)

Thanks. I have people depending on me, so I try to be innovative. You sound like you've got your head screwed on straight as well. If things were just stable, I'm pretty sure I would become one of the 1% ers in a few years.

Working on it.








Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 25, 2013 11:29 AM (bb5+k)

367 Bobby J , my man inviting us into the softer more pliable Republican Party....Let it burn and wash that septic far out to sea...

Posted by: Clemenza at January 25, 2013 11:29 AM (Q8Pu5)

368 i just got a set of 4 Rx relief pharmacy discount cards....not addressed to anyone...front of envelope says "Your Health Benefits Cards Are Enclosed" anyone else get some?

Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at January 25, 2013 11:29 AM (GVxQo)

369 the effort to keep a 5000 sq foot home at a perfect 72 degrees would be monumental.
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Al Gore laughs at your puny house!

Posted by: RWC at January 25, 2013 11:29 AM (fWAjv)

370 318 @philipaklein Federal court DC circuit rules Obama NLRB recess appointments unconstitutional http://apne.ws/WzT5Kx


Actually that is a big fuckin deal. If it stands and i think it will, that invalidates all the NLRB's rulings and leaves it with only 1 member, effectively shutting it donw. Good stuff and a nice shot across the black messiah's bow

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2013 11:29 AM (9Bj8R)

371 Am I over reaching in my hopes that the Courts NLRB ruling today could have much deeper impact on the Obama march to the throne effort then initially appears?

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 25, 2013 11:29 AM (WHl4d)

372

I have always regarded that as a very puzzling bit in the bible. How could a "witch" summon a holy man's spirit?


As I understand it, God sent him back to tell Saul what was what and the witch was probably surprised that her magic worked so much better than usual...

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 25, 2013 11:30 AM (4vofC)

373 There are some things that government is designed to do. One of them is
to do projects so large that they can't be done privately.


No, it's not. We like to say that, but it's really not true.

Government is designed to protect me from violence. That's really about it. Everything else is optional.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 11:30 AM (8y9MW)

374 Am I over reaching in my hopes that the Courts NLRB ruling today could have much deeper impact on the Obama march to the throne effort then initially appears?
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 25, 2013 11:29 AM (WHl4d)

Hey we all need hope to float our boat

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2013 11:30 AM (9Bj8R)

375 I am enjoying the Rubio, Paul, Jindal positioning. All three are likable and all three have something to offer. If all three made a serious run for the nomination, how great would that be.

And all three are not perfect. Let's remember that.

Posted by: SH at January 25, 2013 11:31 AM (gmeXX)

376
With all the changes done or submitted by this
administration, I propose the White House occupants be protected only by
female secret service details carrying six shot revolvers.

Posted by: polynikes at January 25, 2013 09:39 AM (m2CN7)






Y'know, Hillary is already well on her way to this. Her State Dept security team is all female.

Seriously.

http://tinyurl.com/ajak3dx

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 25, 2013 11:31 AM (TIIx5)

377 If you can move enough water through the coils yes it will work. It is used to supplement heat pumps now. If you want to use it for primary heating and cooling it may not be feasible for your home. It does depend on your area though.

Posted by: gigg at January 25, 2013 11:13 AM (41VCE)


Passive energy storage/release is pretty much proportional to mass.

I have a "greenhouse" (seed starting shed) in which I've got about 100 gallon-size milk jugs full of water.
The inside temperature decrease lags the outside temperature decrease when sundown happens -- and the sheer number of milk jugs keep everything well above freezing by simply slowly releasing stored energy. The jugs are separated a bit to allow as much surface area as possible for energy release.
The inverse occurs in the morning -- the inside of the structure stays much cooler than the outside as the water jugs absorb energy.

I would not recommend this for anybody who was counting on a passive heating or cooling system, but if you want to just use the technique to raise plants, it works great. Just insulate the snot out of the structure and put plenty of double-pane glass in it.


Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at January 25, 2013 11:31 AM (Qxe/p)

378 Seems like several of us are thinking the same way.
I hope this screws Barky hard.....right in the ole squeekhole, sideways.
Dry.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 25, 2013 11:31 AM (WHl4d)

379 Why aren't windmills vertically oriented? The trade
off in maximum speed has to be factored against continuous power from
all angles and the reduced loss and maintenance costs of a rotating
elevated hub?

Posted by: Jean at January 25, 2013 10:16 AM (Y8t25)

Good question. I used to subscribe to an alternative-energy newsgroup, until my ISP dropped newsgroups. The standard answer is that a vertical-axis turbine, like the Savonius, is a "downwind turbine", and the maximum peripheral speed of the rotor is limited to actual wind speed. But a propeller-blade turbine uses the lift generated by the wind passing over its blades, and can spin much faster. It's like sailing downwind, versus tacking. A sailboat going downwind cannot go faster than the wind, but one that is tacking can.
Another way to look at it: the effective wind-capture area of a down-wind turbine is the area of the blade that catches the wind. The effective wind-capture area of a propeller turbine is the swept area of the blades, a much greater area.

Having said that, though, I am mindful of the fact that the common propeller-type wind turbines only achieve their great efficiency over a relatively narrow band of wind speeds, and they often have to be shut down when wind speed is too high.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 25, 2013 11:31 AM (29+x5)

380 @370 Rules? Berry needs no rules!!! Where have you been living under a rock, with some democrats..

Posted by: Clemenza at January 25, 2013 11:32 AM (Q8Pu5)

381 From NewsBusters: Baltimore Ravens Linebacker Plans to Use Super Bowl to Promote Same-Sex Marriage
Go 49ers.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at January 25, 2013 11:32 AM (wbmaj)

382 The Princess Bride is one of my 'brush with the famous' stories. I've told it before so bear with me or scroll if you've heard it.

I was at the gym and had watched the Princess Bride the night before. I was on a flat bench doing dumbbell presses when I just finished my set when I looked up and sawPrince Humperdinck looking downat me. I saw his lips moving but didn't catch what he said because I thought I may be dreaming or something. Then I heard him ask me again "how many more sets do you have left" because he wanted to use the bench. Who knew that Chris Sarandon was visiting the gym that day.

Posted by: polynikes at January 25, 2013 11:32 AM (m2CN7)

383 Hackers have already demonstrated proof-of-concept for hacking computers by tapping the power outlets.

That sounds rather implausible.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 25, 2013 11:32 AM (evdj2)

384 Government is designed to protect me from violence. That's really about it. Everything else is optional.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 11:30 AM (8y9MW)

And to use the constitution as a how to manual to solve states grievances against each other. I think.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 11:32 AM (l86i3)

385 A kid in a wheelchair can be on the track team, but it's probably not a good idea to let them do the hurdles.



Chairist.



Or Legist??



Hmm. If you care how someone moves, then would it be Move-ist?

Posted by: Mama AJ, clearly with too much time on her hands at January 25, 2013 11:23 AM (SUKHu)



There was a Strangers with Candy episode were they demanded that a blind kid had to be the quarterback and it was wrong to not let him be on the football team. So he gets to be quarterback and the first play from scrimmage he just stands there with the ball, no idea what to do and the entire opposing team sacks him. The principal says, I guess we all should have seen that one coming. Well everyone but the blind kid that is. Bad taste but funny

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 25, 2013 11:33 AM (1Jaio)

386 The Courts strike back. If only Roberts had.

This is actually a great result and we will see if it upholds. It is basically a procedural argument, something courts many times defer to get involved in as a political question. But procedure is what makes our constitution great.

Posted by: SH at January 25, 2013 11:33 AM (gmeXX)

387 318 NLRB ruling.

Woo hoo!

Posted by: Tonic Dog at January 25, 2013 11:34 AM (X/+QT)

388 I am enjoying the Rubio, Paul, Jindal positioning. All three are likable and all three have something to offer. If all three made a serious run for the nomination, how great would that be.

****

There may be some positioning with Rand, but not much. He has been consistent in his approach since he took office.

I believe he just might be a 'walk what you talk' kinda fellow.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 25, 2013 11:34 AM (piMMO)

389 A federal appeals court has overturned President Obama’s controversial recess appointments from last year, arguing he abused his powers and acted when the Senate was not actually in a recess.
The three-judge panel’s ruling is a major blow to Mr. Obama. The judges ruled that the appointments Mr. Obama made to the National Labor Relations Board are illegal, and the board no longer has a quorum to operate.
But the ruling has even broader constitutional significance, with the judges arguing that the president’s recess appointment powers don’t apply to “intrasession” appointments — those made when Congress has left town for a few days or weeks.
The judges signaled the power only applies after Congress has adjourned sine die, which is a legislative term of art that signals the end to a long work period. In modern times, it means the president could only use his powers when Congress quits business at the end of a year.
“The dearth of intrasession appointments in the years and decades following the ratification of the Constitution speaks far more impressively than the history of recent presidential exercise of a supposed power to make such appointments,” the judges wrote. “Recent presidents are doing no more than interpreting the Constitution. While we recognize that all branches of government must of necessity exercise their understanding of the Constitution in order to perform their duties faithfully thereto, ultimately it is our role to discern the authoritative meaning of the supreme law.”

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 25, 2013 11:34 AM (9Bj8R)

390 377
I saw a house design based on that idea. Lots of south facing windows and the warmth on the window side caused a convection air current that circulated from the basement to the room. In the basement were huge vats of water that would slowly warm through the day and shed the warmth at night when it was needed. Very simple elegant solution.

Posted by: gigg at January 25, 2013 11:34 AM (41VCE)

391
"Everything government touches will eventually turn to shit."

That is true, but it's all we have to work with.

Imagine the competitive advantage our businesses would have with free power. All the base industries would relocate back to the U.S. Want to make a dent in Social Security? How about supplying seniors with power, which after property taxes is probably their biggest expense.

Sometimes big is good.

Posted by: jwest at January 25, 2013 11:34 AM (ZDsRL)

392 Looking forward to the big game.
Crab Cakes vs Fruitcakes.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 25, 2013 11:35 AM (WHl4d)

393 more (it's like commentin' Tourette's)...

On an old car, you can pop the clutch. If you can find fuel, it's fine post-EMP. New cars, any little electronic glitch and you've got useless junk on wheels. Old mech meters, accuracy and service will continue reliably because there's so little to go wrong and to interrupt service, you have to shut a valve manually. (Those pro meter readers can confirm or correct my armchair noodling.) Will tomorrow's meters have all the reliability of Windows, as it were? Can our service be controlled or interrupted by crack or glitch? Hint: it's already being done to utility COMPANIES. IS THE TRADEOFF WORTH IT, that's always the question.

Oh, I see: dbl-tap the shift to lock caps. Perfectly intuitive. (Recently graduated to iPhonish cell, can you tell?) I'm an old futurist. I loves me the digital age! But I've also learned, they are out to get us, and they are using the tools at their disposal to do it. We don't have to make it easier for them.

Sorry for the rant. Foil hat off. Back to normal mode: Hey, I was listening to Surrealistic Pillow yesterday. Am I just nostalgic or does that album really stand up? ...

Posted by: Mindfulguy in a designer tinfoil hat at January 25, 2013 11:35 AM (p74mI)

394 Allen I'm curious (no not that oe)How much land does it take, say a

family of 6 to be self sustaining on a piece of land , is there water

available, wells be dug?
I now hate that i've grown up in cities.
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There's an internet site that shows how to grow up to 100pounds of potatoes in 4sqft.

I ran this thought. It's not just food for people, you need food and room for animals.
Chickens, pigs, cows, goats, etc.; how diverse a diet do you want?

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 25, 2013 11:35 AM (imtbm)

395 Meanwhile in the UK is a pilot program to deliver broadband Internet over power lines. Along with smart meters. A US firm is involved.

http://tinyurl.com/69bjbfq

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 11:35 AM (Mj6r9)

396 1) a bio-diesel still coupled with a grease trap cleaning business tied in with getting the waste oil.

2) a targeted niche construction crew to convert deadlined Conexs into modular living areas.


sven, I think both of these are already being done.

And someone splain to me why bio-diesel is a thing absent some green subsidy nonsense. Couldn't you just dump the grease on coal headed into a power plant or lightly filter and spray into an incinerator?

Posted by: Harry at January 25, 2013 11:35 AM (hOlQL)

397 And to use the constitution as a how to manual to solve states grievances against each other. I think.

That's one of the optional bits.

At its Theoretical Foundation, Government is the means men use to protect themselves from each other.

As someone said: Government exists so that the other guy can't come into my cave, take my woman, and kill me.

The Constitution was a specific attempt to address practical concerns that arise when the Government has to grow larger than the city level.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 11:35 AM (8y9MW)

398 362 "Also, if government was supplying the nuclear power, the storage problem for the waste could be solved immediately."

Posted by: jwest at January 25, 2013 11:25 AM (ZDsRL)

Who is blocking up the waste storage for these plants again?

Posted by: cajun carrot at January 25, 2013 11:36 AM (UZQM8)

399 From NewsBusters: Baltimore Ravens Linebacker Plans to Use Super Bowl to Promote Same-Sex Marriage

Go 49ers.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at January 25, 2013 11:32 AM (wbmaj)



I suggest he gets allows both teams to fuck him on the 50 yard line to show how much he supports it

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 25, 2013 11:36 AM (1Jaio)

400 "One day, you won't mind the kissing."
"Never go up against a Sicilian, when death is on the line."
"Life is pain, highness. Anyone who says otherwise is selling something."
"I do not think it means what you think it means."
"Mostly dead means partly alive. With all dead there's only one thing you can do: search through his pockets for loose change."


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 11:18 AM (8y9MW)

"Inconceivable!"

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 25, 2013 11:36 AM (bb5+k)

401 Gotta luv that fly catcher in chief..

Posted by: Clemenza at January 25, 2013 11:36 AM (Q8Pu5)

402 244
If you all want to start a community in Texas, I've a hell of an idea for a 250 to 500kW power source.
24 hour off-grid power. Rough estimate is around $1 to $1.5 mill.
One source I've seen says, figure a peak of 15kW per house.
So, 15 to 30 houses; selling the excess.





Posted by: RoyalOil at January 25, 2013 10:36 AM (imtbm)


Geo-Thermal?
=========
Yeah, the technology is there now to make it work even with a relatively "cool" heat source.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 25, 2013 11:36 AM (imtbm)

403 I suggest he gets allows both teams to fuck him on the 50 yard line to show how much he supports it
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 25, 2013 11:36 AM (1Jaio)

:-)

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 11:37 AM (l86i3)

404 Niedermeyer, positioning may have been the wrong choice of words. I don't think any of the 3 are chaning their positiong, but all three are using forums avaible to them to raise their profile, whether conciously or not. I welcome it. As I have maintained, the GOP should let Rubio, Paul, Cruz, and Jindal do most of the talking.

Posted by: SH at January 25, 2013 11:37 AM (gmeXX)

405 Did you guys read where Ted Nugent addressed the gun grab issue?

He made a point of how asinine it is to think that the founding fathers were trying to protect deer hunters.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 25, 2013 11:37 AM (piMMO)

406 Imagine the competitive advantage our businesses would have with free power.

Except that it isn't "free" and would quickly cost more than it already does.

TANSTAAFL ain't just a member of the Horde.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 25, 2013 11:38 AM (8y9MW)

407 New one up

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 25, 2013 11:38 AM (WHl4d)

408 As I have maintained, the GOP should let Rubio, Paul, Cruz, and Jindal do most of the talking.

***

Toss in Gowdy, Chaffetz, and Issa

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 25, 2013 11:38 AM (piMMO)

409 I'd like to use the Superbowl to promote not murdering people.

Posted by: SH at January 25, 2013 11:38 AM (gmeXX)

410 If you get a chance search David Clarke Milwaukee County Sheriff PSA playing locally on the radio here that has libs in a complete meltdown.

Basically he says with cutbacks and furloughs that you the people of Milwaukee cannot expect the police to respond fast enough if you're in a bad situation and recommends getting the proper training and arming yourself.

Loving it.

Posted by: H Badger at January 25, 2013 11:39 AM (n/0Nw)

411 Look at the Dems bench, look at ours. We may be in the minority in terms of numbers, but in quality we are light years ahead. Even using today's media stanpoint of people who can go out in front of a camera and just seem "cool."

Posted by: SH at January 25, 2013 11:40 AM (gmeXX)

412 I am currently not laying naked with Liz Cheney in a post coital political discussion. SATAN!!!
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 25, 2013 11:27 AM (l86i3)


No, that'd be me.

Posted by: Dick "Warcock" Cheney's Sawed Off Shotgun at January 25, 2013 11:42 AM (zF6Iw)

413 396 Harry,

Yes Harry both *are* being done, I am wanting to do them to make gain and help people relocate to the red if need be.

Bio-diesel does not get subsidies, and does not make granola nuts' pussy tingle because it works. There are farmers using 60% bio-diesel for their farm fuel needs. The problems come when you have to engineer up the best virgin diesel to bio-diesel mix, and attrition through storage.

Part of the reason I get so rabid so quick about EPA and giggles' subsidy games is that they are not wanting progress at all it is defacto theft of taxes for payoffs and they are damaging people's quality of life and thanks to the media avoiding blame.

Anyway just to be clear I did not mean to sound terse if I came across that way and welcome your input.

The objective of the EPA is not and never has been "clean power" it is "picking winners and losers" and less power.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 25, 2013 11:42 AM (LRFds)

414 Hackers have already demonstrated proof-of-concept for hacking computers by tapping the power outlets.



That sounds rather implausible.
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Link [on handle] to one example of keystokes resolved through power grid...

Posted by: RioBravo at January 25, 2013 11:43 AM (eEfYn)

415 That Florida item takes the phrase "Link Dump" a little too far.

Posted by: Eliot Vereker at January 25, 2013 11:44 AM (I0aLt)

416 410 If you get a chance search David Clarke Milwaukee County Sheriff PSA playing locally on the radio here that has libs in a complete meltdown.

Basically he says with cutbacks and furloughs that you the people of Milwaukee cannot expect the police to respond fast enough if you're in a bad situation and recommends getting the proper training and arming yourself.

---

Looks like that CCW push by Walker may make him a lot more popular.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 25, 2013 11:44 AM (e0xKF)

417
"Who is blocking up the waste storage for these plants again?"

Want to see something pass the House, Senate and be signed into law unanimously all within an hour? Tell people you're going to give them free power, if only their representative and senators vote for it.

Perhaps there would be one protest vote "no", but whoever that guy was wouldn't matter because he would be run out of town on a rail within minutes.

Posted by: jwest at January 25, 2013 11:45 AM (ZDsRL)

418 Who is blocking up the waste storage for these plants again?
--
Re: gov't gen'd nuclear power
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They are blocking disposal from investor-owned utility plants. They just dumped their own waste in the nearest ditch (well, sort of). There is a difference.

Posted by: RioBravo at January 25, 2013 11:47 AM (eEfYn)

419 Government is designed to protect me from violence. That's really about it. Everything else is optional tyranny.

fify

Posted by: Mindfulguy in a designer tinfoil hat at January 25, 2013 11:48 AM (8KGvR)

420 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 25, 2013 11:35 AM (Mj6r9)


I remember them talking about that in college a decade ago, then came along wireless broadband via cell towers. Give it a few more years and I'm sure we'll be hearing about how they've gobbled up enough of the bandwith via FCC to transmit wireless 1gb down/ 10 mb up in urban areas and probably 5mb down / 1 mb up in rural areas.

Posted by: cajun carrot at January 25, 2013 11:48 AM (UZQM8)

421 http://www.ewtn.com/multimedia/live_player.asp?satname=domenglp

March for Life stream, if anyone is interested

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at January 25, 2013 11:49 AM (FsUAO)

422 291 Analog broadcasts?>>When I installed my TV antenna I was surprised there was one analog station I received. It's in Spanish so not of any use to me but I thought the govt shut all analog down.

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Probably just undocumented broadcasters broadcasting the broadcasts Americans won't broadcast.

How many broads would a broadcaster cast if a broadcaster could cast broads?

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at January 25, 2013 11:50 AM (NmR1a)

423 Yeah, the technology is there now to make it work even with a relatively "cool" heat source.


Posted by: RoyalOil at January 25, 2013 11:36 AM (imtbm)


I have quite a lot of interest in this, and I would love to hear further elaboration. Unfortunately I have to go now. Perhaps later?



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 25, 2013 11:59 AM (bb5+k)

424 423
Yeah, the technology is there now to make it work even with a relatively "cool" heat source.




Posted by: RoyalOil at January 25, 2013 11:36 AM (imtbm)


I
have quite a lot of interest in this, and I would love to hear further
elaboration. Unfortunately I have to go now. Perhaps later?





Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 25, 2013 11:59 AM (bb5+k)
==============Sure.I've a stack of papers 3 inches thick on this. Started looking into it after November.
I've been putting off the grant writing for proof of concept . . . . no sense using my own money when I can take from Barkey's stash.
But, it is pretty exciting, I think.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 25, 2013 12:03 PM (imtbm)

425 lso, if government was supplying the nuclear power, the storage problem for the waste could be solved immediately.

Posted by: jwest


It's almost cute how naive you are sometimes.

Posted by: Harry at January 25, 2013 12:03 PM (hOlQL)

426 It's almost cute how naive you are sometimes.
Posted by: Harry at January 25, 2013 12:03 PM (hOlQL) Harry,If you don't understand something, just ask. I'll explain it to you.

Posted by: jwest at January 25, 2013 12:08 PM (ZDsRL)

427 Link [on handle] to one example of keystokes resolved through power grid...

Hmm. They appear to be saying that they can use the ground wire of a nearby outlet to pick up PS/2 signals by emissions. I find this even harder to believe. The signal strength would have to be virtually nil.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 25, 2013 12:09 PM (evdj2)

428 What's the Swiss tax rate? Denise Rich, who fucked Clinton to get a pardon for her husband, was reported to take Swiss citizenship, too.

Posted by: Waldo Truth at January 25, 2013 12:11 PM (jwumz)

429 Piers Morgan Apology:

http://tinyurl.com/bgobxuf

Posted by: Kristophr at January 25, 2013 12:23 PM (wYVte)

430 It suddenly strikes me that an anthem for the moment might be one verse of the Hoyt Axton song "Never Been to Spain":

Well, I've never been to Heaven, but I've been to Oklahoma
People tell me I was born there, but I really don't remember
In Arizona, or Oklahoma --- WHAT DOES IT MATTER?

Elvis covered it.

BTW are we news-cotting the Ohio education story? State board president Debe Terhar, a tea party candidate, is up for hangin' for violations of Godwin's Law. Sherrod Brown used Hitler quotes in his recent (winning) campaign.
http://tinyurl.com/afyot4o


Posted by: comatus at January 25, 2013 12:23 PM (qaVK+)

431 Waldo Truth:

Switzerland negotiates tax rates for rich folks who just want tax haven status. The rate is variable depending on current conditions.

Posted by: Kristophr at January 25, 2013 12:25 PM (wYVte)

432 >>>
383
Hackers have already demonstrated proof-of-concept for hacking computers by tapping the power outlets.



That sounds rather implausible.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 25, 2013 11:32 AM (evdj2) <<<
This technology has been around for years.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_line_communication

Posted by: Fritz at January 25, 2013 12:40 PM (/ZZCn)

433

PEOPLE

Please learn the facts! This British ass it trapping people with what is a LIE.

Fully Automatic Weapons are NOT illegal!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw-ydGfsrbY

The simply require a title like a car or motorcycle.

The only thing banned is the manufacture for civilian use.

Posted by: TSgt Ciz at January 25, 2013 05:32 PM (KKlWc)

434
You are scum. You should be executed for this.
I am not satisfied with the state of our nation; however, I won’t respect a hypocritical racist calling the president a liar, epciscally when telling lies about the president himself.
Man, I love being right! Listen to these stupid racists here claim this is a Victory for America! It’s is NOT! It IS a Victory for the racists, bigots, and extremist black-haters on the right! Heck, ALL these comments prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are racists! You are making the KKK proud with your racist rants!
The Constitution gives the President the authority to make temporary
recess appointments to fill vacant positions when the Senate is in
recess, a power all recent Presidents have exercised. The Senate has
effectively been in recess for weeks, and is expected to remain in
recess for weeks. In an overt attempt to prevent the President from
exercising his authority during this period, Republican Senators
insisted on using a gimmick called “pro forma” sessions, which are
sessions during which NO Senate business is conducted and instead one or
two Senators simply gavel in and out of session in a matter of seconds.
But gimmicks do not override the President’s constitutional authority
to make appointments to keep the government running.
Funny how these racists obviously misquote and misuse the laws of the land to further their hateful desire to get the black man out of the White House. And funny that they didn’t care about the law of the land when Bush was running the show.
Obama broke NO law with recess appointments.
Anyone who calls Obama a Communist is a stupid racist!
Anyone who calls Obama a Marxist is a stupid racist!
Anyone who calls Obama a Dictator is a racist!
Anyone who calls Obama a Traitor is a stupid racist!
Has Obama physically seized the means of production through force of
arms? Has he abolished elections and outlawed opposition parties? Has
he rounded up millions of people and placed them into camps, or executed
them outright? No?
Then he’s probably not a Communist dictator. Not to mention, he has proven Over and Over he is legally able to be President!
You have absolutely zero evidence to back up your assertion that the President is a “Marxist.”
He is not a traitor, but you are.
You go against a constitutionally elected President who was voted for by most of America’s electorate.
Obama is a Christian, not a Muslim. Obama isn’t an elitist, anti-American, Socialist/Statist! The Republican Party is not a cancer in the body of America, a party of racists and religious bigots. The President doesn’t hate this country; I believe the extremist republicans hate this country because Obama is running this country. The President doesn’t cater to one race of people; he’s in this for all races of people. See, this is just an extreme far right post, which is designed to bate racism and hatred towards the President.
There is NO violation of the Constitution until a Federal Court rules it so. Do you mind telling us exactly what the heck you are talking about? That is important because people like you have been crying for years that Obama violates the Constitution every time you hear something you don’t like, which is totally incorrect.
Judge a man by his deeds. There a NO signs and portents to judge Obama as evil.
Obama, born in Hawaii, = US Citizenship. His parents could have been martians. Their citizenship is irrelevant. If you are born in the US, you are a US citizen as far as the US is concerned. The birthers claims with regard to Obama is that he was NOT born in Hawaii.
The proof is in the Pudding, this is NOT about protecting the Constitution, it never was.
This is about keeping the “White” in the White House! All Obama -haters are racists!
Calling the POTUS a POS and a fraud seems to the usual calling call for you right-wing racists and bigots like you!

Posted by: ZaMan at January 25, 2013 07:44 PM (8dQF7)

435 Calling the POTUS a POS and a fraud seems to the usual calling call for you right-wing racists and bigots like you!

Spammer http://is.gd/u9TUyH

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