Egyptian President Morsi: You Know, You Shouldn't Believe Every Anti-Semitic Statement Attributed To Me, Because the Jews Control Your Media

Makes sense.

“He was attempting to explain himself . . . then he said, ‘Well, I think we all know that the media in the United States has made a big deal of this and we know the media of the United States is controlled by certain forces and they don’t view me favorably,’” Coons said. [ . . . ]

“He did not say [the Jews], but I watched as the other senators physically recoiled, as did I,” he said. “I thought it was impossible to draw any other conclusion.” [ . . . ]

“The conversation got so heated that eventually Senator McCain said to the group, ‘OK, we’ve pressed him as hard as we can while being in the boundaries of diplomacy,’” Coons said. “We then went on to discuss a whole range of other topics.”

He was being asked about his various comments on Jews, including his 2010 exhortation that babies must be "nursed on hatred for the Jews."

W.R. Meade observes:

he reality is that insane anti-Jewish conspiracy theories are the mother’s milk of political analysis in Egypt and in much of the rest of the Middle East. The emotional, visceral reaction against what is seen as Israel’s shaming, alien presence in the Arab world has fused with ugly and backward western anti-Semitism to create a turbo-charged fear and hatred of Jewish influence and Jewish power. A political and religious culture which cannot help but see the survival of a Jewish state in the region as a badge of humiliation and failure takes comfort in exaggerated ideas about Jewish power.

It is that, but more fundamentally: The Muslim world is currently very primitive. What are the only two important occupations in a primitive culture? The Warrior, and The Shaman. Advanced cultures still have those occupations, of course. But in advanced cultures, The Warrior becomes The Soldier, an occupation marked by professionalism and ethics and discipline more than individual glory; so too do Shamans become priests, and try to become wise like the aged man, rather than angry like the young man.

Furthermore, and more crucially: In an advanced culture there are many occupations which are valued, and many, many are valued more highly than The Warrior and The Shaman. In fact, it's a mark of an advanced culture that traditionalists have to argue strenuously on behalf of the importance of Soldiers and Preachers, because general society tends to look down on them.

In an advanced culture, there are hundreds of ways a man can feel successful in his work; in more primitive ones, the only pathways open are that of The Warrior or The Shaman. Women, of course, have no roles at all open to them for success in work; their only pathway to success is through motherhood (aka, producing Strong Warriors and Fire-Breathing Shamans).

The Muslim world is locked into a primitive paradigm in which The Warrior is the secondmost cherished personage in the culture, but -- here's where the psychological problems start creeping up -- but they're not accomplished in war and do not have the tradition of success that a warrior culture needs to feel healthy and good about itself.

If you're very bad at one of the only things you credit as making a man worthy, then of course your lives will be filled with daily humiliations.

This is not a problem that will be fixed soon. The pathologies of cultures are generally rooted in that culture's failures, and its insecurities and inferiority complexes about those failures, and correcting social failures is a process that takes decades, not years -- if it ever happens at all.

A Little Background: I learned something when I visited Beirut. A professor explained there was a certain inferiority complex (or perhaps he used a less derogatory word) in Arab Muslims because their region was dominated by three local Great Powers -- Turkey, Iran, and Israel -- and none of them was Arab. The Turks are Turks (whatever they are, I don't know, I'm not Joe Turkeman), Iranians are Persian, and Israelis are, of course, "Other."

Posted by: Ace at 12:34 PM



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1 The Muslim world is locked into a primitive paradigm in which The Warrior is the secondmost cherished personage in the culture

What's first, The Goat Lover or The Pedophile?

Posted by: t-bird at January 24, 2013 12:36 PM (FcR7P)

2 Ya know....I haven't gotten my check from the Jewish-Control-of-The-Media cabal.

Who do i call?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 24, 2013 12:37 PM (GsoHv)

3 so the answer for our esteemed betters is to send them warfcraft assistance?

Posted by: Ette at January 24, 2013 12:37 PM (nqBYe)

4 The Obama Administration must be buying this excuse-- fighter jets to Egypt!

Posted by: tasker at January 24, 2013 12:37 PM (r2PLg)

5 "...it's a mark of an advanced culture that traditionalists have to argue strenuously on behalf of the importance of Soldiers and Preachers..."

I categorically reject your assumption.

In fact, it is a sign of an impending failure of a culture.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 24, 2013 12:39 PM (GsoHv)

6 “The conversation got so heated that eventually Senator McCain said to
the group, ‘OK, we’ve pressed him as hard as we can while being in the
boundaries of diplomacy,’” Coons said. “We then went on to discuss a
whole range of other topics.”




So Juan McRINO can be steamrolled against arguing a principal because it's the honorable thing to do? The deuce you say!

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 24, 2013 12:39 PM (W4q+d)

7 Well on the bright side, everything we here predicted would happen in Egypt if obama forced Mubarak out has come true.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 24, 2013 12:39 PM (9Bj8R)

8 Sometimes, just the headline is enough.

Posted by: Not Ready to Unsock at January 24, 2013 12:41 PM (1FLBb)

9 7
Well on the bright side, everything we here predicted would happen in Egypt if obama forced Mubarak out has come true.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 24, 2013 12:39 PM (9Bj8R)

Right. And that's all that matters!

Posted by: joncelli at January 24, 2013 12:41 PM (RD7QR)

10 Furthermore, and more crucially: In an advanced culture there are many occupations which are valued, and many, many are valued more highly than The Warrior and The Shaman

__________________

Perhaps the real problem in the Muslim world--si that these two areas are --combined.

There is less distinction between the two.

The Religion of the Sword.

Jihad.

Posted by: tasker at January 24, 2013 12:42 PM (r2PLg)

11 "In fact, it is a sign of an impending failure of a culture."

He didn't say it was a *GOOD* mark of an advanced culture.


Ace: Sometimes you write the most amazing things. Seriously, this place keeps me sane.

Posted by: MrShad at January 24, 2013 12:42 PM (Xqfwb)

12 "does it really matter!

Posted by: Ette at January 24, 2013 12:42 PM (nqBYe)

13 It is that, but more fundamentally: The Muslim world is currently very
primitive. What are the only two important occupations in a primitive
culture? The Warrior, and The Shaman.


Hey, WTF???

Posted by: The Goat Pimp at January 24, 2013 12:42 PM (QKKT0)

14 The Obama Administration must be buying this excuse-- fighter jets to Egypt!

Arm The Brotherhood while disarming We, The People. Who's the enemy, again?

Posted by: t-bird at January 24, 2013 12:43 PM (FcR7P)

15 It will take centuries not decades, if it is possible at all, to bring the islamists into a workable civilization as the West used to understand the meaning of civilization.


On the other hand....

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 24, 2013 12:43 PM (Cnqmv)

16 Well valerie jarret said the least the US can do is protect women from violence on the same day her pals want to put them in ground combat units. I guess that's like saying Morsi and Egypt are the bedrock of our Middle East policy in the same week it was report he thinks Jews are pigs and monkeys and should be killed.

At least they are consistent?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 24, 2013 12:43 PM (9Bj8R)

17 Historically speaking, it seems to me that all large cultures tend to have a period of "enlightenment" followed by a dark age, followed by another period of enlightenment. (What comes before that first period varies from "all out war" to "diaspora"

Arab/Muslim culture is going through this phase too. After giving us some chemistry and the number 0, they've collapsed into a dark age (marked by violence and fundamentalism.) If history teaches us anything it'll take at least 400 years to move past that (of course this one is unique because Islam has to compensate in a world rife with pluralism, something, arguably European Christianity didn't have at quite this level.)

Just an observation, may be wrong.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at January 24, 2013 12:43 PM (Dcokn)

18 BTW, thanks much for the tanks and F-16's

Posted by: Super MuslimBros at January 24, 2013 12:43 PM (wAQA5)

19 Perhaps the real problem in the Muslim world--*is* that these two areas are --combined.

Posted by: tasker at January 24, 2013 12:43 PM (r2PLg)

20 Thought giving mooselimbs 100% credit for NASA was supposed to end their inferiority complex?

Posted by: Deli LLama at January 24, 2013 12:43 PM (lGu1O)

21 9
7

Well on the bright side, everything we here predicted would happen in Egypt if obama forced Mubarak out has come true

And Libya,and Afghanistan, and Iwhen obama throws out the "tyrant" in Syria, his new found Arab Spring heroes will have free rein there as well...All according to plan

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at January 24, 2013 12:44 PM (9+ccr)

22 14 The Obama Administration must be buying this excuse-- fighter jets to Egypt!

Arm The Brotherhood while disarming We, The People. Who's the enemy, again?
Posted by: t-bird at January 24, 2013 12:43 PM (FcR7P)

__________________

Republicans.

Posted by: tasker at January 24, 2013 12:44 PM (r2PLg)

23 Nice to see that McCain is so tolerant of diverse viewpoints.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 24, 2013 12:45 PM (QKKT0)

24
Under John Effin' Kerry, American foreign policy will lurch from disaster to disaster... just sayin'

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at January 24, 2013 12:45 PM (Jcd0S)

25 18
BTW, thanks much for the tanks and F-16's

Posted by: Super MuslimBros at January 24, 2013 12:43 PM (wAQA5



And your mouth...that too.

Posted by: Muslim Bros at January 24, 2013 12:45 PM (UOM48)

26 This is not a problem that will be fixed soon.


I don't know. The entire region turning into glass when Iran starts what we all know they will start is a pretty speedy fix.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 24, 2013 12:45 PM (VtjlW)

27 Arm The Brotherhood while disarming We, The People. Who's the enemy, again?

Posted by: t-bird at January 24, 2013 12:43 PM (FcR7P)
Syria, libya, egypt.
all great friends of America and down with the struggle . For a More extreme Islam .all to be trusted with great weapons of war paid by americans while americans are disarmed.very strange indeed.
woudn't one like to pick their brains ?

Posted by: Ette at January 24, 2013 12:45 PM (nqBYe)

28 Posted by: Super MuslimBros at January 24, 2013 12:43 PM (wAQA5)


And for talking and talking and talking about sanctions while we continued to develop nuclear weapons!

Posted by: Ayatollah Khommani at January 24, 2013 12:45 PM (Cnqmv)

29 mccain is an idiot

Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at January 24, 2013 12:46 PM (GVxQo)

30 What's first, The Goat Lover or The Pedophile?

Well, come on. If it weren't for paedophilia there wouldn't be nearly enough room in a boy's bung for all the explosives we need

Posted by: Morsi's bros in Gaza at January 24, 2013 12:46 PM (Oebpk)

31
I believe in a strong foreign policy to protect America!!!

...

Even if it requires me to be the Muslim Brotherhood's bitch.

Posted by: Juan McCain at January 24, 2013 12:46 PM (Axing)

32 24


Under John Effin' Kerry, American foreign policy will lurch from disaster to disaster... just sayin'

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at January 24, 2013 12:45 PM (Jcd0S)

ISWYDT.

Posted by: joncelli at January 24, 2013 12:46 PM (RD7QR)

33 Somewhat OT, but still related. In the roundup of morning news links, there's an article by WR Meade on how liberalism is evolving into a less optimistic view of humanity.
http://tinyurl.com/an24yt6
They used to accept a patrician ruling class (Roosevelt, Wilson, etc.) in exchange for a willingness on that class's part to work to lift up the masses. The new model still assumes a patrician class composed of society's most able, the winners, but requires that they they function as revenue sources for the vast lumpenprole class. IOW, they've gone from thinking that people are plastic and malleable and can be improved, to assuming that they are what they are, and that most will need to be taken care of, by the ruling class, of course.

Now to the connection. How does a leader in the ME justify his leadership, if the country is such a backwater and the people are so miserable? Simple. Blame you know who. "We'd lead the world, but for those lying backstabbers."

Posted by: pep at January 24, 2013 12:46 PM (YXmuI)

34
Look all you want. There are no muslims on The Enterprise

Posted by: garrett at January 24, 2013 12:46 PM (WKuE/)

35 Also, we pinky-swear we won't use those tanks and F-16s on the evil Jooooooos.

Posted by: Muslim Bros at January 24, 2013 12:46 PM (UOM48)

36 I have, no shit, listened to conversation in the Middle East talking about events that happened in 632 A.D. like they happened yesterday, down the street and around the corner.

These people love the 7th Century, they want to stay there.

Let them.

Build a massive fence, give them better weapons and let the Sunnis and Shiites sort out their theological disputes once and for all.

Then nuke the winner.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 24, 2013 12:47 PM (RWS3b)

37 woudn't one like to pick their brains ?


Posted by: Ette at January 24, 2013 12:45 PM (nqBYe)


Be sure to wash your hands thoroughly after picking!

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 24, 2013 12:47 PM (Cnqmv)

38 How is he failing? He's in charge, can spout the most vile stuff, and still gets free shit from the United States. Isn't McCain still a backer?

Posted by: ejo at January 24, 2013 12:47 PM (GXvSO)

39
The Warrior, The Shaman and The Goatfucker... a fuzzy-wuzzie muzzie trilogy

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at January 24, 2013 12:47 PM (Jcd0S)

40 " ... correcting social failures is a process that takes decades, not years -- if it ever happens at all."

These chumps? Never happen.

Posted by: Mike James at January 24, 2013 12:48 PM (cgDgK)

41 24
Under John Effin' Kerry, American foreign policy will lurch from disaster to disaster... just sayin'

---

He'll just see if he can find the "reset button" left around by his predecessor.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 24, 2013 12:48 PM (e0xKF)

42 And Libya,and Afghanistan, and Iwhen obama throws out the "tyrant" in Syria, his new found Arab Spring heroes will have free rein there as well...All according to plan
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at January 24, 2013 12:44 PM (9+ccr)

_____________________

Speaking of Libya....


That was one exercise wholly owned by Obama.

Ambassador Stevens was the highest ranking official in that country--about the equivalent of a four star general--if I am not mistaken.

Hillary Clinton would have you believe that during Operation--Odyssey Dawn in Libya completely initiated by Obama with no Republicans to blame--


No one in her office or higher read the clubs of the highest US official in the theater--Libya.

Posted by: tasker at January 24, 2013 12:48 PM (r2PLg)

43 >>Also, we pinky-swear we won't use those tanks and F-16s on the evil Jooooooos.

Of course we didn't bomb Tel-Aviv. They're just saying that because we bombed Tel-Aviv.

Posted by: MB at January 24, 2013 12:49 PM (SwjAj)

44 Damn it.


No one in her office or higher read the *CABLES* of the highest US official in the theater--Libya.

Posted by: tasker at January 24, 2013 12:49 PM (r2PLg)

45 we are sending them 10 F-16s and 200 Abrams tanks. The first four jets were to be delivered yesterday. When we deliver the tanks, we will have increased Egypts number of tanks by 20%.

The administration has announced it is up to Israel to initiate peace talks no matter what is happening on the ground.

Rumor has it that Gen Mattis was fired/retired because he disagreed with Donilon over Iran. Donilon wants us to accept Iran as a nuclear power.

Seems "we" have switched sides. We aren't even neutral, "we" seemed to have put our thumb on the scale. If the jews are all all powerful, why do they hate Israel so much. Why is the press so bad

Posted by: thunderb at January 24, 2013 12:49 PM (Dnbau)

46 32 24
ISWYDT.
Posted by: joncelli at January 24, 2013 12:46 PM (RD7QR)


Heh...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at January 24, 2013 12:49 PM (Jcd0S)

47 The problem with Islam is that there is no redeeming "love Thy neighbor" rhetoric to temper its extreme nature. Instead, it instructs its adherents to kill. There's no.moderating that message.

Posted by: Lauren at January 24, 2013 12:50 PM (wsGWu)

48 Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at January 24, 2013 12:47 PM (Jcd0S)


What are we, chopped liver?

Posted by: Baba Black Sheep at January 24, 2013 12:50 PM (Cnqmv)

49 But he's a good guy, we are GIVING him F-16s and tanks!

Posted by: Vic at January 24, 2013 12:50 PM (53z96)

50 Arab Spring II: The Sun also Rises

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 24, 2013 12:50 PM (evdj2)

51 No one in her office or higher read the *CABLES* of the highest US official in the theater--Libya.


That was Huma's job. She has America's interests at heart, but sometimes she's too busy with her nose up my cooter.

Posted by: Sir Hillary Edmund Rodham Clinton at January 24, 2013 12:51 PM (QKKT0)

52 Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 24, 2013 12:47 PM (RWS3b)

This highlights the stupidity of the West when it comes to the pallies. They haven't forgotten that Ahmed stole a camel from his uncle's mother-in-law's third cousin in 1231, so the odds that they will miraculously begin to live in peace with Israel is remote.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 24, 2013 12:51 PM (GsoHv)

53 You feel cheated by big foreign oil?

Posted by: Clemenza at January 24, 2013 12:52 PM (Q8Pu5)

54 Meanwhile, the new manual for the U. S. freaking Army advises not to "criticize the Taliban, pedophilia, and avoid advocating for women's rights."

For real:

http://tinyurl.com/amj56gt

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 24, 2013 12:52 PM (UOM48)

55
The Religion of Peas has no room for carrots...

...hasta la bye-bye, gingers and Joooooos!

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at January 24, 2013 12:52 PM (Jcd0S)

56 Holy shiznit-- check out the drudge article regarding smart meters.

Accompanied by police--- the government utility and cops cut a chain lock, to open a fence, over the direct objection of the homeowner, then arrested the homeowner for blocking the meter.

There is also a charge of eavesdropping, which might really be "videotaping what happened".

I continue to be gobsmacked on a daily basis by how far we have fallen.

Posted by: Hopeless at January 24, 2013 12:52 PM (BMEH4)

57
Muslims love all of us now that Obama has been elected twice. At least that's how I heard it would be....

What...?


Shaddup.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 24, 2013 12:52 PM (1Y+hH)

58 Arab Spring II: The Sun also Rises

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 24, 2013 12:50 PM (evdj2)

Arab Spring III: The Mushroom Cloud Also Rises

Posted by: Baba Black Sheep at January 24, 2013 12:52 PM (Cnqmv)

59 In his new term our Dear Leader seems intent on helping the Muslim, and Arab race in particular, mutate into the next evolutionary step by forcing Israel to defend themselves alone with the weapons they have at hand.

Posted by: Daybrother at January 24, 2013 12:52 PM (+paCV)

60
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Jews and the Media, isn't that one of those conspiracy facts?
We constantly talk about how the media is unabashedly biased. Well, who controls those companies? Do you really think their bias has nothing to do with those running the company?
This really isn't all that far fetched. Why is Israel such a big issue but [name any country in Africa] isn't? Something happens in Israel it's a big deal. Something happens elsewhere, not so much.
We can talk about Hollywood too. Not all of Hollywood is owned and run by Jews, but a huge freaking percent of it is. A percent that is wildly out of proportion with their population. And not saying I blame them. I'd be more likely to hire people I identify with as well. And I'm going to make movies that have messages I sympathize with.
I don't see it as a conspiracy to puppet master the world, it just is what it is. They are Jewish, they have a certain world view, and their media is biased in that direction.

Posted by: Andrew at January 24, 2013 12:52 PM (HS3dy)

61 @ 52 and we know who was raped in the bushes.

Posted by: Clemenza at January 24, 2013 12:53 PM (Q8Pu5)

62 I've never understood this blind spot Conservatives have.

The American media's political agenda reflects the dominant views in the ethnic community that makes up so much of its owners and management, not to mention prominent pundits.

It's an ethnic cartel just like garbage collection in NYC and we should be just as free to discuss it, because it's far more important. Not talking about this is one of the ways conservatives have failed to halt the country's leftward drift.

Posted by: fyscyl clyff at January 24, 2013 12:53 PM (cVYiZ)

63 And piss on McShittyfkstick RINO the 3rd. He is the epitome of the crapweasel Republican.


The "get these voters off the bottom of my shoe" republican.

Posted by: Vic at January 24, 2013 12:54 PM (53z96)

64 51 No one in her office or higher read the *CABLES* of the highest US official in the theater--Libya.


That was Huma's job. She has America's interests at heart, but sometimes she's too busy with her nose up my cooter.
Posted by: Sir Hillary Edmund Rodham Clinton at January 24, 2013 12:51 PM (QKKT0)

__________________

Damn jackals.

You would think in the interest of self preservation they would be very interested in the Obama Odyssey Dawn-Libya Incursion.

But no one read a cable above...who?

Charlene Lamb?

Also while I am at it--

where was Hillary when the 7 hour siege was going down?

Posted by: tasker at January 24, 2013 12:54 PM (r2PLg)

65 Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 24, 2013 12:52 PM (UOM4

Moral Relativism of the highest order has finally won! (and not just standard pluralism, flat out relativism.)

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at January 24, 2013 12:54 PM (Dcokn)

66
Yes, yes, yes.

After the fact we all walk on two legs, we have nothing more in common with the muslims. Their mindset is such that we simply don't have the frame of reference to work with .

Posted by: Justamom of the LiB camp at January 24, 2013 12:54 PM (Sptt8)

67 No one in her office or higher read the *CABLES* of the highest US official in the theater--Libya.

Posted by: tasker at January 24, 2013 12:49 PM (r2PLg)


She was as drunk as Boehner when those cables came through; and just about as worthless. That "clot" bullshit was just buying time for her to dry out to the extent she didn't get the shakes under any tough questions; for which most of the Repukes gladly obliged.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 24, 2013 12:54 PM (W4q+d)

68 the same administration that threw an obscure guy in jail for insulting lslam, while simultaneously threatening americans first amendment rights.

so they know what they are dealing with, yet.. yet.. they choose to provide aid to them.

Posted by: Ette at January 24, 2013 12:54 PM (nqBYe)

69 Damn, I was going to bet that the antisemites would show up around comment #300 or fifteen minutes after the new thread

Posted by: boulder hobo at January 24, 2013 12:55 PM (Oebpk)

70 @60 run by the minorities ? That a symptom of US policy.

Posted by: Clemenza at January 24, 2013 12:55 PM (Q8Pu5)

71
headline LOL.

Posted by: California Red at January 24, 2013 12:55 PM (cB0VK)

72 Their shit's fucked up and they talk like fags.

Posted by: Truman North, now at 25% battery life at January 24, 2013 12:55 PM (moxEu)

73 If Israel and Jews didn't exist, they would find something or other outsiders to blame for their shortcomings and miserable existence.


Posted by: Deli LLama at January 24, 2013 12:55 PM (lGu1O)

74 Steyn's commented that you can be chatting up a well educated Middle Eastern woman, dressed in modern clothes, intelligent, reasonable and then half an hour or so in the it's all the Joooooooos.


You know, in a weird way, this is part and parcel of Our Betters viewing the masses as poor serfs who must be spoon fed. Around here, we presume that those screaming death to the infidels mean death to the infidels. Our Betters pat them on the head and go oh you don't really mean that, bless your hearts. Which one of those treats the others as actual humans with their own will and agency?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 24, 2013 12:55 PM (VtjlW)

75 I've never understood this blind spot Conservatives have.



The American media's political agenda reflects the dominant views in
the ethnic community that makes up so much of its owners and
management, not to mention prominent pundits.



It's an ethnic cartel just like garbage collection in NYC and we
should be just as free to discuss it, because it's far more important.
Not talking about this is one of the ways conservatives have failed to
halt the country's leftward drift.

Posted by: fyscyl clyff at January 24, 2013 12:53 PM (cVYiZ)

pardon?

Posted by: Ette at January 24, 2013 12:55 PM (nqBYe)

76 Just to be clear, I'm not defending Morsi. The man is unquestionably an anti-Semite. We're asinine to arm him. I'm just posing the question about the media bias. I think there is definitely a pro-Israel bias in the media.

Posted by: Andrew at January 24, 2013 12:55 PM (HS3dy)

77 Posted by: Justamom of the LiB camp at January 24, 2013 12:54 PM (Sptt

Also known as the "no common frame of reference" problem.


But all "cultures" are equal, nonetheless!

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 24, 2013 12:56 PM (Cnqmv)

78 I'm starting to wonder who Obama is going to use drones on first Egypt or us. If they just give them these fighter jets there is no reason everyday American citizens shouldn't be allowed to buy one.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at January 24, 2013 12:56 PM (NzBQO)

79 I hope all those tanks and F 16's we are giving these guys have a secret off switch on them for when they start rolling towards Isarael.

Posted by: robtr at January 24, 2013 12:56 PM (rTgOf)

80 if Jews control the media, why all the jew hate in it?

Posted by: thunderb at January 24, 2013 12:56 PM (Dnbau)

81 If Israel and Jews didn't exist, they would find
something or other outsiders to blame for their shortcomings and
miserable existence.




Posted by: Deli LLama at January 24, 2013 12:55 PM (lGu1O)

well they have been trying to slaughter the coptic christians lately.

Posted by: Ette at January 24, 2013 12:56 PM (nqBYe)

82 I think there is definitely a pro-Israel bias in the media.
Posted by: Andrew at January 24, 2013 12:55 PM (HS3dy)

I guess you never read the NY Times and the rest of what you said is crap also

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 24, 2013 12:56 PM (9Bj8R)

83 I'm just posing the question about the media bias. I think there is definitely a pro-Israel bias in the media.

Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,.. You forgot your sarc tag though...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at January 24, 2013 12:57 PM (9+ccr)

84 Goats, sheep, gay ambassadors, American made weapons. These are few of our favorite things.

Posted by: Super MuslimBros at January 24, 2013 12:57 PM (wAQA5)

85 This really isn't all that far fetched. Why is Israel such a big issue but [name any country in Africa] isn't?

_________________

Do you want real politik or do you want bull malarky?

Resources.

Israel is an industrialized country with valuable research and development--most of Africa is not.


Now--raw resources are becoming more and more important--particularly to the Chinese--Africa will become more important.

Posted by: tasker at January 24, 2013 12:57 PM (r2PLg)

86 @62, exactly...

Posted by: Andrew at January 24, 2013 12:57 PM (HS3dy)

Posted by: tasker at January 24, 2013 12:57 PM (r2PLg)

88 Remember Lara Logan? I'm sure her rapists do.

She now deals with covering dangerous stories "with Valium and red wine."

http://tinyurl.com/c2wp3bu

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 24, 2013 12:57 PM (UOM48)

89 Rpaul!#@##@@#

Posted by: Ette at January 24, 2013 12:57 PM (nqBYe)

90 Oops

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 24, 2013 12:58 PM (UOM48)

91 Arab/Muslim culture is going through this phase too. After giving us some chemistry and the number 0,

No, that's from the Hindus. The Arabs just transported zero to Europe.

they've collapsed into a dark age (marked by violence and fundamentalism.)

Yeah but it's really hard to tell the difference. Muslim "civilization", such as the Ottomans and the Moors consisted of conquest and the spoils thereof. The problem is that violence is endemic to Islam. There is no distinction or possibility of, say, a major pacifist movement in Islam, let alone something that isn't openly hostile.

If history teaches us anything it'll take at least 400 years to move past that (of course this one is unique because Islam has to compensate in a world rife with pluralism, something, arguably European Christianity didn't have at quite this level.)

What passed for a model of civilization for Europe during the Dark Ages was not any other example in the world (the only one they'd have regular contact with would have been the Moors and the Ottomans) but the example of the Roman empire.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 24, 2013 12:58 PM (xSegX)

92 I recall that the hero of the book "MiG Pilot", a Russian who flew a Foxbat to Japan and defected to the CIA, was astounded that in America, doctors made more money than fighter pilots. As a fighter pilot in the Soviet Union, he was used to a life of relative privilege as a member of an elite profession while doctors seemingly were a dime a dozen.

Posted by: sherlock at January 24, 2013 12:58 PM (bCSgp)

93 They are backward but quite confident in the rightness of their backwardness. Right now, that seems to pretty much trump our non-backwardness given that we are rushing to shower him with aid and helped, a la Khomeini, put him in power.

Posted by: ejo at January 24, 2013 12:58 PM (GXvSO)

94 *whew*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 24, 2013 12:58 PM (UOM48)

95 Also

Dear Andrew--example number uno Liberals don't give a shit about Africa-

Rwanda.

Posted by: tasker at January 24, 2013 12:58 PM (r2PLg)

96 It's a good thing we helped get rid of that rotten Mubarak. This guy is so much better. Barry's foreign policy genius just can't be questioned. Allah Akbar

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 24, 2013 12:59 PM (1Jaio)

97 Posted by: fyscyl clyff at January 24, 2013 12:53 PM (cVYiZ)



Ok Lemur, if you're reading this - THIS is how you Moby. Take notes.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 24, 2013 01:00 PM (4c71i)

98 Remember when Barry visited the Pyramids?

Like he visits businesses that go tits-up?

I have a baaaad feeling.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 24, 2013 01:00 PM (UOM48)

99 why is it, any names not jewish are forgotten when discussing media - banks - owned ?

Posted by: Ette at January 24, 2013 01:00 PM (nqBYe)

100 Furthermore, and more crucially: In an advanced culture there are many occupations which are valued, and many, many are valued more highly than The Warrior and The Shaman

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In America that's true.A large portion of the people in this country want to be famous and/or a star. I mean, civilization has it's priorities.

Posted by: Soona at January 24, 2013 01:01 PM (tAvTM)

101 There's the things you know you don't know and there's the things you don't know you don't know.

Posted by: eleven at January 24, 2013 01:01 PM (KXm42)

102 My comment at 56 deserves attention.

Hone owners arrested by police when objecting to having police and government safety crews breaking onto property.

I can't imagine how this sort of precedent could possibly be used regarding gun safety inspections.

Posted by: Hopeless at January 24, 2013 01:01 PM (BMEH4)

103 Do NOT go to Drudge unless you want your rage meter to explode.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 24, 2013 01:01 PM (UOM48)

104 American Jews hate Conservatives. HATE with a fucking passion.

But somehow, we should go all out to defend Israel? I have never understood this

Posted by: fyscyl clyff at January 24, 2013 01:01 PM (cVYiZ)

105 Try to day that 3 times fast.

Posted by: eleven at January 24, 2013 01:01 PM (KXm42)

106 The Turks are Turks (whatever they are, I don't know)

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Damnit. Interesting.

I know they are the bridge entre two geographical tinder boxes--

The Balkans and the Middle East--(sort of.)

Posted by: tasker at January 24, 2013 01:01 PM (r2PLg)

107
"Israel is an industrialized country with valuable research and development--most of Africa is not. "
So the media is more concerned with violence in Israel as opposed to elsewhere because they do valuable research? Never heard this argument before.
Are you really this fatuous?

Posted by: Andrew at January 24, 2013 01:01 PM (HS3dy)

108 He was being asked about his various comments on Jews, including his 2010 exhortation that babies must be "nursed on hatred for the Jews."
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or similac if they are hatred intolerant.

Posted by: gigg at January 24, 2013 01:02 PM (41VCE)

109 We should ask Hillary about this. She's an expert on foreign policy. WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?!?!?!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 24, 2013 01:02 PM (1Jaio)

110
>>>I think there is definitely a pro-Israel bias in the media.


If only this were true.
Israel is a free and tolerant society. We used to value these ideals andhistorically, we welcomed allies that shared these values.
Now. Not so much.

Posted by: garrett at January 24, 2013 01:02 PM (WKuE/)

111 Or say it even.

Gonna be one of those days, I can see it already.

Posted by: eleven at January 24, 2013 01:02 PM (KXm42)

112 American Jews hate Conservatives. HATE with a fucking passion.

But somehow, we should go all out to defend Israel? I have never understood this
Posted by: fyscyl clyff at January 24, 2013 01:01 PM (cVYiZ)

Most american jews have about as much to do with israel as your arguments have to do with reason and facts

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 24, 2013 01:03 PM (9Bj8R)

113 pardon?
Posted by: Ette at January 24, 2013 12:55 PM (nqBYe)



Reminder: It's hard to properly banhammer if you requote.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 24, 2013 01:03 PM (VtjlW)

114 Did not check the thread, but Daily Caller has the page where it names the rifles/shotguns that are banned by name.

Basically, all AK and AR type rifles.

Posted by: EC at January 24, 2013 01:03 PM (GQ8sn)

115 ?
cnn?
msnbc?
cbs?
fox?

Posted by: Ette at January 24, 2013 01:03 PM (nqBYe)

116 But somehow, we should go all out to defend Israel? I have never understood this

Posted by: fyscyl clyff at January 24, 2013 01:01 PM (cVYiZ)


And the way the filthy Jooos use the blood of gentile children in their satanic rituals? Appalling.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 24, 2013 01:04 PM (QKKT0)

117 103 Do NOT go to Drudge unless you want your rage meter to explode.

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Too late hot plate. I saw that miserable hate-fueled scrunt already.

Posted by: gigg at January 24, 2013 01:04 PM (41VCE)

118 "Posted by: fyscyl clyff at January 24, 2013 01:01 PM (cVYiZ)"



Dude, you're good. You must be one of the paid Mobies.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 24, 2013 01:04 PM (4c71i)

119 107
"Israel is an industrialized country with valuable research and development--most of Africa is not. "
So the media is more concerned with violence in Israel as opposed to elsewhere because they do valuable research? Never heard this argument before.
Are you really this fatuous?
Posted by: Andrew at January 24, 2013 01:01 PM (HS3dy)

_________________

Do be honest I thought your point was why is America interested--I don't really read you that closely because I know your MO--

Pon Paul bot.

Posted by: tasker at January 24, 2013 01:04 PM (r2PLg)

120
Yeah, about that meter reader story.
The article says it was necessary to place the meters for efficiency, so crews wouldn't have to read meters every month.
Uh, I live in a 40 year old house in the suburbs. I've never seen a meter reader except for the water, quarterly.
???

Posted by: Justamom of the LiB camp at January 24, 2013 01:04 PM (Sptt8)

121
"Dear Andrew--example number uno Liberals don't give a shit about Africa- Rwanda."
This is my whole point. The liberals in the media (note Jewsare almost all Democrat-voting liberals)care about Israel.

Posted by: Andrew at January 24, 2013 01:04 PM (HS3dy)

122 But somehow, we should go all out to defend Israel? I have never understood this

Perhaps because American Jews are not the same as Israeli Jews?

I'm just spitballin' here. I could be wrong.

But I would be interested in the musings of a true master of realpolitik. Please, continue.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 24, 2013 01:05 PM (RWS3b)

123 alex. mmm yes i know this.

momentarily lost my brains, it must have been the twinkie yesterday.

Posted by: Ette at January 24, 2013 01:05 PM (nqBYe)

124 ugh...raining here......puppy is sopping wet.....eh what difference does it make.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at January 24, 2013 01:05 PM (GVxQo)

125 *To* be honest--

I'm leaving the Pon Paul bot typo.

Posted by: tasker at January 24, 2013 01:05 PM (r2PLg)

126
"Do be honest I thought your point was why is America interested--I don't really read you that closely because I know your MO-- "
Ok, well let me know when you've pulled your fingers out of your ears then. A bit hard to converse with a child.

Posted by: Andrew at January 24, 2013 01:06 PM (HS3dy)

127 112 American Jews hate Conservatives. HATE with a fucking passion.

I work with several that are pretty republican. I know there are a lot of jews out there that are super dems though. Really do not understand that.

Posted by: gigg at January 24, 2013 01:06 PM (41VCE)

128 So, Paulian or straight-up DKOS moby?

Posted by: joncelli at January 24, 2013 01:06 PM (RD7QR)

129 103 Do NOT go to Drudge unless you want your rage meter to explode.

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Sen. Feinstein may want to shut her fucking mouth lest all the states in "flyover country" decide to leave and let her cesspool of a state collapse under its own weight.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 24, 2013 01:06 PM (e0xKF)

130 Listened to those Manti voice mails. Damn, that would've fooled me.

I think I understand what happened now. A closeted gay samoan dude tried to become the "girlfriend" of multiple famous samoan athletes. He knew the culture so he knew how to push their buttons. And he does an impressive girl voice.

So ... psycho gay samoan sociopath. Crying Game stuff.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 24, 2013 01:06 PM (ZPrif)

131 Uh, I live in a 40 year old house in the suburbs. I've never seen a meter reader except for the water, quarterly.
???

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No time for the old in-and-out, love, I've just come to read the meter!

Posted by: Alex DeLarge at January 24, 2013 01:07 PM (e0xKF)

132 It is hard to know where religion ends and culture begins in the ME but it is pretty clear that you can't base a society on the teachings of someone like Mohammed. No matter how vile a ruler's behavior is, or how despicable the actions and desires of the people are, they can always point to something worse that Mohammed did as justification. There is no future for practitioners of Islam that does not involve rejecting Mohammed in some way.

Any other discussion of the ME just misses the point entirely.


Posted by: Voluble at January 24, 2013 01:07 PM (qYvEa)

133 And here it comes. I say American Jews HATE conservatives (you all know this is true). And then wonder why we should be so supportive of Israel.

On cue - Morons start talking about The banhammer.

Posted by: fyscyl clyff at January 24, 2013 01:07 PM (cVYiZ)

134 121
"Dear Andrew--example number uno Liberals don't give a shit about Africa- Rwanda."
This is my whole point. The liberals in the media (note Jewsare almost all Democrat-voting liberals)care about Israel.
Posted by: Andrew at January 24, 2013 01:04 PM (HS3dy)

___________________

They care about Israel?

Hell that could be true--I do not read most of them.

Could you point me to a recent pro-Israel piece?

Posted by: tasker at January 24, 2013 01:07 PM (r2PLg)

135 Twiggy, the water-skiing squirrel.There's video.

http://is.gd/U14rf9

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 24, 2013 01:07 PM (ZKzrr)

136 I am an American Jew. I live in Texas. There are a lot of conservative Jews there. Israel too.

Israel is important because it is a key ally in a bad neighborhood. Israel is important because their military intelligence in the region is far superior to our own, their intelligence service is legendary throughout the world. We should support Israel because they are the only democracy, true democracy, in the region. We should support Israel because Arabs in Israel have more rights that Arabs in Arab countries. We should support Israel to have a counterweightin the region against the growing threat of Islamo-facism that threatens democracies around the world.

Fyscall Cliff, you don't know anything

Posted by: thunderb at January 24, 2013 01:08 PM (Dnbau)

137 I've got some damned good Jewish friends who are staunch conservatives.

Next.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 24, 2013 01:08 PM (UOM48)

138 7 Well on the bright side, everything we here predicted would happen in Egypt if obama forced Mubarak out has come true.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 24, 2013 12:39 PM (9Bj8R)



It didn't take a genius. Even Hannity had it figured out!

Posted by: Truman North, now at 25% battery life at January 24, 2013 01:08 PM (moxEu)

139 Yeah, about that meter reader story.
The article says it was necessary to place the meters for efficiency, so crews wouldn't have to read meters every month.
Uh, I live in a 40 year old house in the suburbs. I've never seen a meter reader except for the water, quarterly.
???
Posted by: Justamom of the LiB camp at January 24, 2013 01:04 PM (Sptt



I love how oh they're wireless, they're perfectly safe and reliable! I figure it took the local code kiddies what four minutes, five tops to crack that security.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 24, 2013 01:08 PM (VtjlW)

140 128 So, Paulian or straight-up DKOS moby?
Posted by: joncelli at January 24, 2013 01:06 PM (RD7QR)

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One's Paulian the other is smelling stormy...

Posted by: tasker at January 24, 2013 01:08 PM (r2PLg)

141 The Muslim world is currently very primitive.
What are the only two important occupations in a primitive culture?

#1. To be the chimp that pushes the stick into the termite mound.
#2. To be the first chimp that licks 'em off.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 24, 2013 01:08 PM (1vPzy)

142 I came to read your meter.

Posted by: Peter the Meter Reader at January 24, 2013 01:08 PM (WKuE/)

143
I pray for one ...just one, clear headed "Fast Attack" sub comander to do the right thing just south of the gulf of hormuz.....but that was a movie....right?

America needs a movie now and then......always with splody things....we like the splody things.
It does so simplify the narrative...moving foreward...less hassle if things get sploded now and then....we can get things done faster this way.
Americans like to get things done and move on to the next thing that vex our progress....
That is why this country used to rock the world every decade or so.....

We need to get that groove back...........
Most soonest...

Posted by: Richard at January 24, 2013 01:08 PM (oK+Jo)

144 G-d they make shit up out of thin air.

Posted by: Ette at January 24, 2013 01:09 PM (nqBYe)

145 Do NOT go to Drudge unless you want your rage meter to explode.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 24, 2013 01:01 PM (UOM4


After yesterday's hearings, I'm really numb to everything. I haven't felt this fucking bad since the Kelo decision.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 24, 2013 01:09 PM (W4q+d)

146 Posted by: fyscyl clyff at January 24, 2013 01:07 PM (cVYiZ)




Dude, just don't start trotting out the CODOH talking points and you should stay under the radar.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 24, 2013 01:09 PM (4c71i)

147 lest ...her cesspool of a state collapse under its own weight.

I think that's pretty much of a given at this point. It doesn't matter much what the rest of the country does.

Posted by: pep at January 24, 2013 01:09 PM (YXmuI)

148
"Perhaps because American Jews are not the same as Israeli Jews? "
Wrong. I've been to Israel several times. About 1/5-1/4 of Israeli Jews actually have American passports.
This is a common misconception two, conservatives are mystified by how American Jews can be so liberal while the ones in Israel aren't. The Jews in Israel ARE liberal. Israel is a SOCIALIST country, in fact, the ONLY socialist country in the whole Middle East. Being aggressive militarily isn't the same as being "conservative" in the American tradition. Was the Soviet Union weak militarily? How about the National Socialists in Germany?

Posted by: Andrew at January 24, 2013 01:10 PM (HS3dy)

149 >>>"Most american jews have about as much to do with israel as your arguments have to do with reason and facts"

This is the bullshit always spewed when someone talks about how much American Jews despise conservatives.

Somehow, when a Jewish person goes to Israel, they stop praying for the coming socialist utopia..

Posted by: fyscyl clyff at January 24, 2013 01:10 PM (cVYiZ)

150 After yesterday's hearings, I'm really numb to everything.
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This was an eye opener. My WTF meter is broken.

Posted by: sTevo at January 24, 2013 01:10 PM (YMHVx)

151
You wanna bum out?
No? Then skip this.
Yes?
Sharia financing.
At a bank, fund, foundation, retirement plan near you.
No interest charged, because that's not moral.
But of the fee:
1/8 straight to jihad.
7/8 the rest of the supporting shit.

Posted by: Justamom of the LiB camp at January 24, 2013 01:11 PM (Sptt8)

152 120,

Efficiency means giving the government real time tracking data of your electricity use. Reported by wireless transmitters, that are capable of intercepting and recording other wireless usage in your home.

Smart meters are really fucking controversial for those, and other, reasons.

And here is the key, sans warrant, a cop aided in breaking into a fenced property and arrested the homeowner for objecting.

What are you going to do? Call the cops?

Posted by: Hopeless at January 24, 2013 01:11 PM (ieU06)

153 After yesterday's hearings, I'm really numb to everything. I haven't felt this fucking bad since the Kelo decision.
Posted by: Captain Hate at January 24, 2013 01:09 PM (W4q+d)



Annnnd there goes the eye twitch! Yay!


I'm just going to shove this entire bar of special dark down my pie hole now.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 24, 2013 01:11 PM (VtjlW)

154
Israel is a SOCIALIST country

Please. Learn me some more.

Posted by: garrett at January 24, 2013 01:11 PM (WKuE/)

155 Do NOT go to Drudge unless you want your rage meter to explode.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 24, 2013 01:01 PM (UOM4


-------------------------------------------------------


Perhaps we should outlaw assault politicians.

Posted by: Soona at January 24, 2013 01:11 PM (tAvTM)

156 Hey Barry, how about another shout out for the Arab Spring?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 24, 2013 01:11 PM (1Jaio)

157 Posted by: fyscyl clyff at January 24, 2013 01:10 PM (cVYiZ)



The name "Cedarford" doesn't ring a bell with you does it?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 24, 2013 01:12 PM (4c71i)

158 73If Israel and Jews didn't exist, they would find something or other outsiders to blame for their shortcomings and miserable existence. Posted by: Deli LLama at January 24, 2013 12:55 PM (lGu1O)THIS.

Posted by: Guido at January 24, 2013 01:12 PM (XLuH2)

159 Annnnd there goes the eye twitch! Yay!

The water-skiing squirrel really helps. Try it.
http://is.gd/U14rf9

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 24, 2013 01:12 PM (ZKzrr)

160 >>>"I've got some damned good Jewish friends who are staunch conservatives.

Next."

What idiotic tripe. Yeah and I have a black buddy who likes Reagan - so blacks are probably mostly conservative.

Idiot.

Posted by: fyscyl clyff at January 24, 2013 01:12 PM (cVYiZ)

161 After yesterday's hearings, I'm really numb to everything.
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This was an eye opener. My WTF meter is broken.

Why? What does it matter? (Hildebeast voice off)

Posted by: rickb223 at January 24, 2013 01:12 PM (1vPzy)

162 The Jews in Israel ARE liberal. Israel is a SOCIALIST country, in fact, the ONLY socialist country in the whole Middle East. Being aggressive militarily isn't the same as being "conservative" in the American tradition. Was the Soviet Union weak militarily? How about the National Socialists in Germany?
Posted by: Andrew at January 24, 2013 01:10 PM (HS3dy)

Take a history course. Israel WAS a quasi-socialistic country. Not so mush any more and the words liberal and conservative are not so easily transferable from country to country.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 24, 2013 01:13 PM (9Bj8R)

163 147 lest ...her cesspool of a state collapse under its own weight.

I think that's pretty much of a given at this point. It doesn't matter much what the rest of the country does.

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The difference is that we won't be there to pick up the tab for when Cali, Illinois, and New York at this rate.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 24, 2013 01:13 PM (e0xKF)

164 Andrew and FC, the personal invictive is not persuasive. Don't you have any, you know, facts?

Posted by: thunderb at January 24, 2013 01:14 PM (Dnbau)

165 What idiotic tripe. Yeah and I have a black buddy who likes Reagan - so blacks are probably mostly conservative.

Idiot.
Posted by: fyscyl clyff at January 24, 2013 01:12 PM (cVYiZ)

Go back to Stormfront you piece of shit.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 24, 2013 01:14 PM (l86i3)

166 What does it look like when a troll strokes out on a thread?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 24, 2013 01:14 PM (UOM48)

167 .....warfcraft assistance?


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Dont talk about the First Lady that way......

Posted by: fixerupper at January 24, 2013 01:14 PM (nELVU)

168
Sharia financing.
Uh, Sharia exchanges. Take a cut of intl funds transfers straight to jihad.
Because it's "holy", and you'd better not criticize it or you're a hater.

Posted by: Justamom of the LiB camp at January 24, 2013 01:14 PM (Sptt8)

169 ironically some of the joooooooos in the media are liberals who think Israel's a big meanie.

maybe them and Morsi could form a self-hating Jew/anti-Semitic alliance. a bizarro Hitler-Stalin pact.

Posted by: JDP at January 24, 2013 01:14 PM (60GaT)

170 166 What does it look like when a troll strokes out on a thread?

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I was hoping for more excitement.

Posted by: gigg at January 24, 2013 01:15 PM (41VCE)

171 Efficiency means giving the government real time tracking data of your electricity use. Reported by wireless transmitters, that are capable of intercepting and recording other wireless usage in your home.

I wonder if painting the wall around it with aluminumized metallic paint would hurt anything?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 24, 2013 01:15 PM (1vPzy)

172 Idiot.Posted by: fyscyl clyff at January 24, 2013 01:12 PM (cVYiZ)

You have a self-awareness problem coupled to a lack of understanding of the concept of irony.

Stick around, we're about to help you out with that.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 24, 2013 01:15 PM (RWS3b)

173 Take a history course. Israel WAS a quasi-socialistic country. Not so mush any more and the words liberal and conservative are not so easily transferable from country to country.

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I'm pretty sure there's a discussion out there from some Israelis about how the country used to be far more lefty until the '94 Oslo Accords and how they got fucked by trying to make peace with Arafat.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 24, 2013 01:15 PM (e0xKF)

174 Dont talk about the First Lady that way......


I think you are thinking for worfcraft, common mistake.

Posted by: gigg at January 24, 2013 01:16 PM (41VCE)

175 166
What does it look like when a troll strokes out on a thread?


Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 24, 2013 01:14 PM (UOM4

Pretty awesome, if all goes well. [Reaches for popcorn]

Posted by: joncelli at January 24, 2013 01:16 PM (RD7QR)

176 Andrew--most of the liberals in the media (including the Jewish ones) now care about the Palestinians. You might recall that the media universally panned Romney after his very succesful trip to Israel because it "offended" the Palestinians. Israel is always in the news because the Arabs have made sure that it will be--until it's destroyed. In 1948-1950, the same Arab nations whose armies had displaced Arabs living in Israel refused to absorb them, and instead insisted that they be given permanent refugee status. This has been their excuse for attacking Israel for over 60 years.

Posted by: Burke at January 24, 2013 01:16 PM (CrqI6)

177
"their region was dominated by three local Great Powers -- Turkey, Iran, and Israel -- and none of them was Arab. The Turks are Turks (whatever they are, I don't know, I'm not Joe Turkeman), Iranians are Persian, and Israelis are, of course, "Other.""-

So please I am NOT getting this...is Jabba a muzzie, or NOT?

Posted by: Guido at January 24, 2013 01:16 PM (XLuH2)

178 145 Do NOT go to Drudge unless you want your rage meter to explode.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 24, 2013 01:01 PM (UOM4

After yesterday's hearings, I'm really numb to everything. I haven't felt this fucking bad since the Kelo decision.
Posted by: Captain Hate at January 24, 2013 01:09 PM (W4q+d)

_____________________

Okay.

Merovin posted this in the ONT.

It's strangely cathartic.

Don't pay attention to the title and skip past the first 20 seconds.


http://youtu.be/I_H3uWLW3N4

Posted by: tasker at January 24, 2013 01:16 PM (r2PLg)

179 Being aggressive militarily isn't the same as being "conservative" in the American tradition.

Look at that straw fly!

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 24, 2013 01:16 PM (xGlYu)

180 Pretty awesome, if all goes well. [Reaches for popcorn]
Posted by: joncelli at January 24, 2013 01:16 PM (RD7QR)

I was hoping for blood and tears.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 24, 2013 01:17 PM (l86i3)

181 I'm just going to shove this entire bar of special dark down my pie hole now.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 24, 2013 01:11 PM (VtjlW)


Doesn't pron start with something like that?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 24, 2013 01:17 PM (da5Wo)

182 Oops--Merovign

Posted by: tasker at January 24, 2013 01:17 PM (r2PLg)

183 I have never understood this

Posted by: fyscyl clyff at January 24, 2013 01:01 PM (cVYiZ)

Because you are stupid, but I am confident that I am not the first to point this out to you.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 24, 2013 01:17 PM (GsoHv)

184
"Hell that could be true--I do not read most of them. Could you point me to a recent pro-Israel piece?"
Well, you're trying to reduce something that requires a larger context to something said by a single journalist. Can you show me anti-Israel pieces? Perusing Google News right now with the keyword "Israel" nearly everything I click seems to be rather positive. Not seeing anything negative or anti-Semitic. When I search other keywords like Egypt I do however find anti-Egypt pieces. Keyword "Israel" results in 33 million results. Keyword "Egypt" results in 1.2 million.

Posted by: Andrew at January 24, 2013 01:17 PM (HS3dy)

185 I just got back from Israel. You know what the mood is? Fuck peace. We will get blamed no matter what we do, so we are going to build and live and defend ourselves as we wish.

Posted by: thunderb at January 24, 2013 01:17 PM (Dnbau)

186 Anybody else concerned that warriors from a primitive culture will be trying to pilot F-16's?

Actually, maybe that's a good thing...

Posted by: Marcus at January 24, 2013 01:18 PM (GGCsk)

187 I'm just going to shove this entire bar of special dark down my pie hole now.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 24, 2013 01:11 PM (VtjlW)

Doesn't pron start with something like that?


I thought the direction for pr0n was up?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 24, 2013 01:18 PM (1vPzy)

188 @183, coming from someone who uses the word "dildo" in their handle.

Posted by: Andrew at January 24, 2013 01:19 PM (HS3dy)

189 Anybody else concerned that warriors from a primitive culture will be trying to pilot F-16's?


The Patriot missile batteries will splash them before they get within shooting distance of Israeli airspace.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 24, 2013 01:19 PM (l86i3)

190 I thought the direction for pr0n was up?

Depends on your definition of a Pie Hole.

Posted by: gigg at January 24, 2013 01:19 PM (41VCE)

191 Rick,

It results in the cut off of your electricity because you're off the smart grid, and in some places, you are also subject to arrest.

Not joking.

Smart meters are a big controversy for really good reasons.

In my part of rural Cali a non-zero number of home owners have disconnected entirely from the grid and run their houses on generators because of it.

Posted by: Hopeless at January 24, 2013 01:19 PM (BMEH4)

192 What does it matter? Needs to be on her tomb stone.

Posted by: sTevo at January 24, 2013 01:19 PM (YMHVx)

193 We will get blamed no matter what we do

Ah, the Animal House approach to international relations.

Posted by: pep at January 24, 2013 01:19 PM (YXmuI)

194 >185
I just got back from Israel. You know what the mood is? Fuck peace. We
will get blamed no matter what we do, so we are going to build and live
and defend ourselves as we wish. <

Well, I give the Israelis two thumbs up.

But the American Jews who largely voted for Obama appear to be to be Vichy-Jews.

Posted by: Marcus at January 24, 2013 01:20 PM (GGCsk)

195 Posted by: fscyl clyf at January 24, 2013 01:12 PM



In the absence of actual facts, anecdotes trump talking out of one's ass every time.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 24, 2013 01:20 PM (4c71i)

196 The water-skiing squirrel really helps. Try it.
http://is.gd/U14rf9
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 24, 2013 01:12 PM (ZKzrr)



It does!


As does this - http://youtu.be/XOZ5C-T8ZpM

Yes, they directed and choreographed it themselves.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 24, 2013 01:20 PM (VtjlW)

197
"I just got back from Israel. You know what the mood is? Fuck peace. We will get blamed no matter what we do, so we are going to build and live and defend ourselves as we wish. "
I agree with this mindset 100%. More power to them. Good for them, I hope they follow through. All I care about is that they pay for it themselves and don't expect me to come cleanup the mess later.
WE ARE BROKE

Posted by: Andrew at January 24, 2013 01:20 PM (HS3dy)

198 Andrew I gave you a list of strategic reasons, in OUR interests, of why we should care about Israel. Still won't discuss them? You would rather talk about google. Really?

Posted by: thunderb at January 24, 2013 01:20 PM (Dnbau)

199 Smart meters are a big controversy for really good reasons.

Trust me. I understand. That's the next big push in Texas.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 24, 2013 01:21 PM (1vPzy)

200 Merovin posted this in the ONT.



It's strangely cathartic.



Don't pay attention to the title and skip past the first 20 seconds.





http://youtu.be/I_H3uWLW3N4



Posted by: tasker at January 24, 2013 01:16 PM (r2PLg)


I needed a catharsis like that. Thanks. I'm still very far away, at least one time zone, from my happy place.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 24, 2013 01:21 PM (W4q+d)

201 There was a piece @ AT a couple of weeks ago that gives a pretty good glimpse into the West's misunderstanding of what passes for the Arab mind.

I apologize if I missed someone else linking it, but it's well worth the read:

http://tinyurl.com/a7r8j66

Posted by: ontherocks at January 24, 2013 01:21 PM (aZ6ew)

202 You know what the mood is?

That's funny, because we're getting close to, "Fuck peace Washington. We will get blamed no matter what we do, so we are going to build and live and defend ourselves as we wish."

Posted by: t-bird at January 24, 2013 01:21 PM (FcR7P)

203 Normally, when posters on this site disagree with something I've said, they provide some kind of cogent argument. But when you mention anything about how much American Jews hate Conservatives - it's all a lot of red-faced, 1st grade poopy-doo-doo name calling.

Hmm... I wonder why?

Posted by: fyscyl clyff at January 24, 2013 01:21 PM (cVYiZ)

204 @183, coming from someone who uses the word "dildo" in their handle.
Posted by: Andrew at January 24, 2013 01:19 PM (HS3dy)

Yo motha fucka, speakins of dicks, booth two got one sticking through for ya. Yo mammas on break so get ta suckin that dick Candy Andy. NOW BITCH! Don't makes me take off my belt.

Posted by: Tyrone Velvet, proprietor, Tyrone's coin operated glory hole and transgendered chicken shack bar an at January 24, 2013 01:21 PM (l86i3)

205 184
"Hell that could be true--I do not read most of them. Could you point me to a recent pro-Israel piece?"
Well, you're trying to reduce something that requires a larger context to something said by a single journalist. Can you show me anti-Israel pieces? Perusing Google News right now with the keyword "Israel" nearly everything I click seems to be rather positive. Not seeing anything negative or anti-Semitic. When I search other keywords like Egypt I do however find anti-Egypt pieces. Keyword "Israel" results in 33 million results. Keyword "Egypt" results in 1.2 million.
Posted by: Andrew at January 24, 2013 01:17 PM (HS3dy)

_________________

You are forgetting one variable--

Egypt is in turmoil.

That's effecting your result.

Posted by: tasker at January 24, 2013 01:22 PM (r2PLg)

206
"Do NOT go to Drudge unless you want your rage meter to explode. "
Whatever, I'm fully prepared for the GOP to cave on this issue too, come and take it (them).

Posted by: Andrew at January 24, 2013 01:22 PM (HS3dy)

207 Thanks for the squirrel vid.

Posted by: Infidel at January 24, 2013 01:22 PM (bzOLE)

208 203 Normally, when posters on this site disagree with something I've said, they provide some kind of cogent argument. But when you mention anything about how much American Jews hate Conservatives - it's all a lot of red-faced, 1st grade poopy-doo-doo name calling.

Hmm... I wonder why?
Posted by: fyscyl clyff at January 24, 2013 01:21 PM (cVYiZ)

_______________

I hate to go Hillary--but it's really irrelevant what they think--we do what's in our strategic interests.

Posted by: tasker at January 24, 2013 01:23 PM (r2PLg)

209

Liberals say they are against the whole idea of a 'theocracy'.

You mention the word...theocracy...and they usually erupt in a condemnation of the concept.

And yet, they ignore that Islam is a theocracy.

I would argue that there are no real 'Shamen' in Islam.
There are only government totalitarians masquerading as Shamen.

Posted by: wheatie at January 24, 2013 01:23 PM (fH4X9)

210 Muslim Brotherhood can suck my dick.

And there wont be any virgins when you get to heaven cause all your sisters are whores.

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 24, 2013 01:24 PM (+OTLF)

211 EC, there is your short term investment guidance. Would have been nice to have included the stock symbols for the publically traded ones. If I were still pimping guns, I would have lobbied her office to be on that list.

Posted by: Jean at January 24, 2013 01:24 PM (qjFNd)

212 Hmm... I wonder why?
Posted by: fyscyl clyff at January 24, 2013 01:21 PM (cVYiZ)


Because we are all Jews now. Armed Jews, Pissed Jews. See ya on the battlefield.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 24, 2013 01:24 PM (l86i3)

213 >>>"I have never understood this"

Posted by: fyscyl clyff at January 24, 2013 01:01 PM (cVYiZ)



Yeah. Good point. Poopy-doo-doo to you too.

Posted by: fyscyl clyff at January 24, 2013 01:25 PM (cVYiZ)

214 But when you mention anything about how much American Jews hate Conservatives - it's all a lot of red-faced, 1st grade poopy-doo-doo name calling. Hmm... I wonder why?
Posted by: fyscyl clyff at January 24, 2013 01:21 PM (cVYiZ)


Tell you what, you provide empirical evidence for your bullshit assertion and we'll follow.

Since you didn't - and can't - you seem to be suffering from a case of projection.

According to the principles of logic, your fact-free assertion can be successfully countered by, well, pretty much nothing.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 24, 2013 01:25 PM (RWS3b)

215 This
is a common misconception two, conservatives are mystified by how
American Jews can be so liberal while the ones in Israel aren't. The
Jews in Israel ARE liberal. Israel is a SOCIALIST country, in fact, the
ONLY socialist country in the whole Middle East.


Posted by: Andrew at January 24, 2013 01:10 PM (HS3dy)
Right, because Egypt having embraced Arab Socialism for the last six decades somehow makes it not a socialist country, and Israel having governments led by the right-wing Likud party for almost all of the last 35 years somehow makes it "the
ONLY socialist country in the whole Middle East."But then you also think that "1/5-1/4" of Israeli Jews come from the United States.

Posted by: DKCZ at January 24, 2013 01:25 PM (9/bcB)

216 I needed a catharsis like that. Thanks. I'm still very far away, at least one time zone, from my happy place.
Posted by: Captain Hate at January 24, 2013 01:21 PM (W4q+d)

_______________

You're welcome.

I think it dropped my blood pressure by 20 points.

The Steve Carrell stretch--that has been me since

Florida was...--you know--on election night.

Posted by: tasker at January 24, 2013 01:26 PM (r2PLg)

217 Rick,

Unlike in Naperville IL, in Texas I'd expect an appropriate 2nd amendment response to a cop, sans warrant, breaking into property over explicit objections to install an unconstitutional surveillance device.

Posted by: Hopeless at January 24, 2013 01:26 PM (2CuCY)

218
"Egypt is in turmoil. That's effecting your result."
Turmoil should result in more news not less. Regardless of the nature of the press, Israel gets waaaaay more press time. And a lot of the coverage of Egypt will actually be in the context of "how does this effect Israel."

Posted by: Andrew at January 24, 2013 01:26 PM (HS3dy)

219 FC and Andrew you guys aren't serious. You just want to bitch about Jews. The majority of women voted for the JEF, do they get your special attention? How about blacks, about 98 percent of them voted for the JEF? Do they get a special two minutes of hate from you? Or is it just politically acceptable to you, and your fellow travelers, to focus on Jews.

Posted by: thunderb at January 24, 2013 01:26 PM (Dnbau)

220 As someone who used to wok for a utility let me assure you folks that wireless meters do NOT monitor ANYTHING but the same damn thing the old mechanical meters monitored. And that is the KW usage to your house. Also let me assure you, the "government" does not monitor the output.


We went to those type of power meters years ago to save money by eliminating a lot of the meter readers. One guy can simply drive through a neighborhood now and read all the meters in 1/10 the time it took for the old method. Too bad for the old meter readers who got laid off, but everyone else gets to keep a lower electric bill.

Posted by: Vic at January 24, 2013 01:27 PM (53z96)

221 Ace: "In fact, it's a mark of an advanced culture that traditionalists have
to argue strenuously on behalf of the importance of Soldiers and
Preachers, because general society tends to look down on them."

*****

No. It's the mark of a decadent culture.


Posted by: Abe at January 24, 2013 01:27 PM (C+qQ0)

222 Uh, I live in a 40 year old house in the suburbs. I've never seen a meter reader except for the water, quarterly.

???


You probably have a wireless reader already if you have natural gas. They've been around a long time.

The two broads who got arrested appear to be in the "wireless signals are dangerous despite the mountain of proof to the contrary" camp of loons.

That doesn't mean the city had the right to break in, but my sympathy meter isn't exactly pegging out for the two women. They had the option to pay extra for non-wireless readers, but didn't want that either.

A more reasonable approach (IMNSHO) would've been simply to cut off their utilities. Problem solved.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 24, 2013 01:28 PM (SY2Kh)

223 202 You know what the mood is?

That's funny, because we're getting close to, "Fuck peace Washington. We will get blamed no matter what we do, so we are going to build and live and defend ourselves as we wish."

---

I guess we know who the first country to recognize the new Republic of Tex-iana will be.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 24, 2013 01:28 PM (e0xKF)

224 Posted by: Andrew at January 24, 2013 01:19 PM (HS3dy)

Yes. Does it embarrass you?

You obviously haven't noticed that many commenters here has amusing or clever or silly nics. It's part of the charm of this place.

You know what else is part of the charm? Bitchslapping fools like you and the other troll.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 24, 2013 01:28 PM (GsoHv)

225 Unlike in Naperville IL, in Texas I'd expect an appropriate 2nd amendment response to a cop, sans warrant, breaking into property over explicit objections to install an unconstitutional surveillance device.

That only works if they are stupid enough to do it when the homeowner is home.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 24, 2013 01:29 PM (1vPzy)

226 Posted by: fyscyl clyff at January 24, 2013 01:21 PM (cVYiZ)

Probably because they're trying to speak down to your level.Hint: the 1/3rd of Jews who voted for Romney, and the majority of American Jews living in Israel who voted for Romney, do not hate conservatives.Now kindly goosestep back to wherever you came from.

Posted by: DKCZ at January 24, 2013 01:29 PM (9/bcB)

227 the world media is Jew obsessed, and not in a good way.

Posted by: thunderb at January 24, 2013 01:29 PM (Dnbau)

228 Smart meters are a big controversy for really good reasons.



Trust me. I understand. That's the next big push in Texas.


If by "really good reasons" you mean "because some people are batshit crazy paranoids", then yes.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 24, 2013 01:30 PM (SY2Kh)

229 There's one occupation you forgot: Rapist.

Most seem to accel at this endeavor.

Posted by: Fritz at January 24, 2013 01:30 PM (/ZZCn)

230 As someone who used to wok for a utility let me assure you folks that wireless meters do NOT monitor ANYTHING but the same damn thing the old mechanical meters monitored. And that is the KW usage to your house.

Also let me assure you, the "government" does not monitor the output.

YET.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 24, 2013 01:31 PM (1vPzy)

231 Also, Arabs tend to be short, bald, and baby penised. That creates a whole lot or rage. Also explains why they fear giving women free will; no liberated woman would choose them over even our most buck toothed of hillbillies.

Posted by: wooga at January 24, 2013 01:31 PM (zqbIA)

232 229 There's one occupation you forgot: Rapist.

Most seem to accel at this endeavor.

---

I'll take The Rapists for $1000, Alex.

Posted by: Sean Connery at January 24, 2013 01:31 PM (e0xKF)

233 It's always the Jews. Well here's a newsflash Sparky: LIBERAL Jews, LIBERAL blacks, LIBERAL gays, LIBERAL whites, LIBERAL PEOPLE AS A GROUP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hate conservatives. Is this not clear to you at all. Wake up and see it for yourself this isn't new.

Posted by: Suppressed Flasher at January 24, 2013 01:31 PM (X+nFp)

234 Vic,

Not going to pick a fight about it today, except to say that there is significant evidence to the contrary. Both from the utility companies themselves, and citizens who have engaged in citizen science to detect smart meters engaging in unlisted "features."

There is a difference between what the government owned utility told you the computer devices being forcibly installed in every home did, and what the government owned computer devices being forcibly installed in every home actually do.

Posted by: Hopeless at January 24, 2013 01:31 PM (VHSuw)

235 I guess we know who the first country to recognize the new Republic of Tex-iana will be.

----
Trade partners will be nice.

Posted by: gigg at January 24, 2013 01:32 PM (41VCE)

236 Also let me assure you, the "government" does not monitor the output.

YET.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 24, 2013 01:31 PM (1vPzy)


Yeah, I like having the choice between analog and digital. Digital opens the door for all kinds of nefarious behavior.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 24, 2013 01:32 PM (l86i3)

237 Perry and Bibi are friends IIRC

Posted by: thunderb at January 24, 2013 01:32 PM (Dnbau)

238 >>>"Tell you what, you provide empirical evidence for your bullshit assertion and we'll follow."

Are you asking for evidence that Am. Jews hate Conservatives? I won't even go into which ethnic group dominates Hollywood and the Media in general.

Just look at the voting stats. Jews have consistently voted overwhelmingly against Conservative American interests. They're the most reliable voting bloc for Socialism-communism in this country

Posted by: fyscyl clyff at January 24, 2013 01:32 PM (cVYiZ)

239 "Normally, when posters on this site disagree with something I've said, they provide some kind of cogent argument."



Normally, you must be presenting a cogent argument then.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 24, 2013 01:32 PM (4c71i)

240 Normally, when posters on this site disagree with something I've said, they provide some kind of cogent argument. But when you mention anything about how much American Jews hate Conservatives - it's all a lot of red-faced, 1st grade poopy-doo-doo name calling. Hmm... I wonder why?
Posted by: fyscyl clyff at January 24, 2013 01:21 PM (cVYiZ)


-----------------------------------------------


You either live on the east or west coast or IL. Most of the Jews I know are conservative, and I'll stand by them.

Posted by: Soona at January 24, 2013 01:33 PM (tAvTM)

241 Posted by: thunderb at January 24, 2013 01:29 PM (Dnbau)

Yes.

Israel....a country of 7,000,000 souls, and the size of New jersey, without anything in the way of natural resources that has managed to attract the attention of every major power and most minor ones.

I wonder what it could be?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 24, 2013 01:33 PM (GsoHv)

242 FC you are jew obsessed. Get help.

Posted by: thunderb at January 24, 2013 01:34 PM (Dnbau)

243 >>>"FC and Andrew you guys aren't serious. You just want to bitch about Jews. The majority of women voted for the JEF, do they get your special attention? How about blacks, about 98 percent of them voted for the JEF? Do they get a special two minutes of hate from you? Or is it just politically acceptable to you, and your fellow travelers, to focus on Jews."

That's the topic of this thread - isn't it?

Posted by: fyscyl clyff at January 24, 2013 01:34 PM (cVYiZ)

244 Hey fyscyl clyff,


Let's just cut to the chase - did the holocaust happen?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 24, 2013 01:34 PM (4c71i)

245 I obsess over Jews. I sleep with one every night. I even pay the college tuition of two of them.

Do you see what the International Jewish Conspiracy has done to me?

Save me Andrew! You're my only hope!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 24, 2013 01:35 PM (GsoHv)

246 Ugh 2 trolls for the price of one.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 24, 2013 01:35 PM (9Bj8R)

247
@215, what point are you trying to make, you haven't refuted anything. I may be a bit off on my %, but a massive % of Israeli (Jews)have dual US citizenship.Fact.I think about 75% of Israelis are Jewish, so that factors in as well. I'm talking about the Jewish part of population only. Among those who don't have US citizenship, a large % of those have dual citizenship in other countries, likein Europe.
The point I'm trying to make is that American Jews largely have the same political leanings as Israeli Jews.
And yes, Israel is the only socialist country in the middle east. And the Likud part, while very aggressive militarily, is a socialist party.
Socialism did used to exist in Egypt, I believe it ended in the 80s though with Mubarak or slightly before him. What's your point though? They aren't socialist today. And even if they were, does this change the fact that Israel IS?

Posted by: Andrew at January 24, 2013 01:36 PM (HS3dy)

248 Save me Andrew! You're my only hope!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 24, 2013 01:35 PM (GsoHv)


Careful CBD, it will break out the Elders of Zion bullshit to dazzle us all.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 24, 2013 01:36 PM (l86i3)

249 the topic of this thread is not, "wow, that Morsi dude is right!". Its more, "that Morsi dude is jew obsessed", like you

Posted by: thunderb at January 24, 2013 01:36 PM (Dnbau)

250 Not going to pick a fight about it today, except to
say that there is significant evidence to the contrary. Both from the
utility companies themselves, and citizens who have engaged in citizen
science to detect smart meters engaging in unlisted "features."



There is a difference between what the government owned utility told
you the computer devices being forcibly installed in every home did,
and what the government owned computer devices being forcibly installed
in every home actually do.

Posted by: Hopeless at January 24, 2013 01:31 PM (VHSuw)

Where is ALL this evidence? Produce some from a reputable source.

I can tell you it is absolute BULLSHIT.

Posted by: Vic at January 24, 2013 01:36 PM (53z96)

251 CBD, the topless beaches?

Posted by: Jean at January 24, 2013 01:37 PM (Io7hX)

252 I'm not talking about hate. I love the Jewish culture. It's smart, funny, gregarious and focused on family. I'm just trying to understand the whole Conservative / Israel commitment thing.

For that, I'm pilloried.

Posted by: fyscyl clyff at January 24, 2013 01:38 PM (cVYiZ)

253 Andrew, are you saying that Morsi, the topic of this thread, hates the jews because they are socialist? Really?

Posted by: thunderb at January 24, 2013 01:38 PM (Dnbau)

254 "They're the most reliable voting bloc for Socialism-communism in this country"

Posted by: fyscyl clyff at January 24, 2013 01:32 PM (cVYiZ)

This is exactly why they should never have been allowed into this country in the 19th century. They were fleeing from Russia and Poland because those governments didn't want world socialism to take hold. America was too stupid to realize that by letting in the Jews, they were sowing the seeds of their own destruction.

There is only one answer....we interned the Japanese in WWII to protect our interests, so why can't we do that to the Jews?

Posted by: Fistula Cliff at January 24, 2013 01:38 PM (GsoHv)

255
Ethnic Turks orginally came from Mongolia, probably 2000 yrs ago.

Posted by: LYNNDH at January 24, 2013 01:39 PM (mr9Ns)

256 "I obsess over Jews. I sleep with one every night. I even pay the college tuition of two of them."



Ummm, CBD, didn't you know that any Jewish-owned bank (hint: all of them) will just give you the money for that?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 24, 2013 01:39 PM (4c71i)

257
"FC and Andrew you guys aren't serious. You just want to bitch about Jews. The majority of women voted for the JEF, do they get your special attention? How about blacks, about 98 percent of them voted for the JEF? Do they get a special two minutes of hate from you? Or is it just politically acceptable to you, and your fellow travelers, to focus on Jews."
Is there a nation of women or a nation of blacks that we're spending trillions of dollars on?
Get it through your tiny skull. Ilove Israel. I love Jews, I have zero issue with Jews whatsoever. What I'm against is spending countless amounts of money on protecting them. I'm against meddling in their affairs. I'm against spending money that I don't have.
YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE. You call yourself a conservative. You lambast "the JEF", you harp on the GOP for not manning up and actually cutting spending, but then you defend to your dying breath stealing my money so it can be spent on families in Israel.

Posted by: Andrew at January 24, 2013 01:39 PM (HS3dy)

258 There is a difference between what the government owned utility told
you the computer devices being forcibly installed in every home did,
and what the government owned computer devices being forcibly installed
in every home actually do.

Posted by: Hopeless at January 24, 2013 01:31 PM (VHSuw)

Where is ALL this evidence? Produce some from a reputable source.

I can tell you it is absolute BULLSHIT.

Think "black boxes" in cars.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 24, 2013 01:40 PM (1vPzy)

259
CBD, the topless beaches?

Posted by: Jean at January 24, 2013 01:37 PM (Io7hX)

Go on.....

http://tinyurl.com/apre3cg

NSFW


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 24, 2013 01:41 PM (GsoHv)

260 Vic, I do know someone spoofed the device to produce a lower reading, he didn't think it was hard. Although his concept of hard is wicked.

Posted by: Jean at January 24, 2013 01:41 PM (VHfsw)

261 Hey fyscyll clyff,


Here's another question while you're getting around to the other one I asked:


Does Israel have a right to exist?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 24, 2013 01:41 PM (4c71i)

262 My observation is that the more an American Jew hates conservatives, the more likely he is to also hate Israel, or at best be indifferent to it.
And the more conservative an American Jew is, the more strongly pro-Israel he will be.

The moby is puzzling over an "irony" that does not exist.



Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 24, 2013 01:41 PM (C8mVl)

263 Think "black boxes" in cars.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 24, 2013 01:40 PM (1vPzy)

And that has what to do with wireless electric meters?

Posted by: Vic at January 24, 2013 01:41 PM (53z96)

264 Andrew, dear, we were talking about whether Morsi is correct, were we not? Now, we are talking about whether we should send Israel money? That was not the subject of this post or thread. Tell me, Andrew, help me understand you better. Do Jews control all the world's finances as well?

Posted by: thunderb at January 24, 2013 01:42 PM (Dnbau)

265 Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon.
http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 24, 2013 01:36 PM (l86i3)


I haven't seen them around for a few years. Maybe it's time.....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 24, 2013 01:42 PM (GsoHv)

266
"Andrew, are you saying that Morsi, the topic of this thread, hates the jews because they are socialist? Really?"
Respectfully, if you read that into what I said, you're an idiot. All I did was pose the question of whether a pro-Israel bias does in fact exist in the media. That is all.
That conversation however has spun into some other areas, like the issue of why Jews in the USA are so damn liberal given the Israel issue... well, they are liberal in Israel too. No paradox exists, just people ignorant about Israel.

Posted by: Andrew at January 24, 2013 01:43 PM (HS3dy)

267 Too bad for the old meter readers who got laid off, but everyone else gets to keep a lower electric bill.


Posted by: Vic at January 24, 2013 01:27 PM (53z96)
I had a bunch of tenants complain after their meters were changed that their electricity bill went up immediately after the new smart meters were installed.
I asked a guy who worked for PGE if there is any explanation for this besides just customer paranoia.He said that sometimes, on very old meters, they would wear down, and friction would start to build up. This would cause the meter to measure less than the actual amount of current being consumed.Thus, when the new digital meter was installed, it would accurately measure what was being used, and thus the new bill would be accurate, but higher.Thoughts?

Posted by: Abe at January 24, 2013 01:43 PM (C+qQ0)

268 Vic, I do know someone spoofed the device to produce
a lower reading, he didn't think it was hard. Although his concept of
hard is wicked.

Posted by: Jean at January 24, 2013 01:41 PM (VHfsw)


Yes, there are ways to tamper with an electric meter, although in most cases you can not do it with a magnet. However, it is almost impossible to do it and not get caught.

And when you get caught guess what? In most States it is a felony theft of services and most likely you will be blacklisted for life by the utility.
IOW, make your own electricity if you want to remain in that service area after you get out of jail.

Posted by: Vic at January 24, 2013 01:44 PM (53z96)

269 Think "black boxes" in cars.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 24, 2013 01:40 PM (1vPzy)

And that has what to do with wireless electric meters?

Nothing.
Other than give government & insurance companies the tools to control how you live your life.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 24, 2013 01:44 PM (1vPzy)

270 I won't even go into which ethnic group dominates Hollywood and the Media in general.

Not proof. Sorry you cant even fathom why that statement cannot even be remotely taken as profit. But it does highlight your bigotry. Seeing as you're anti-Semitic, that probably constitutes proof to you and is a feature, not a bug.

Just look at the voting stats. Jews have consistently voted overwhelmingly against Conservative American interests.

As far a voting stats go, you said "hate". I still await proof. Polls are not the same thing as "voting stats" show me actual ballots of Jews. Not polls - ballots. See, there is such a thing as recall bias - Google it, we'll wait

It may be the case that many American Jews disagree with conservatives but that is not the same thing as "hate". Nor is it proof that they disagree with conservatives on every single issue.

Moreover, you've frequently confused the motives of American Jews with Israeli Jews here.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 24, 2013 01:44 PM (RWS3b)

271 >>That's the topic of this thread - isn't it?
Posted by: fyscyl clyff at January 24, 2013 01:34 PM (cVYiZ)


If it is then you forgot to change your temporary trolling nic to joooisssh problimm, antye simitik fucccstikkk or matso ballless.

.....wrong pony, one trick.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 24, 2013 01:44 PM (aZ6ew)

272 No paradox exists, just people ignorant about Israel.

Posted by: Andrew at January 24, 2013 01:43 PM (HS3dy)

Your veneer is wearing thin.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 24, 2013 01:44 PM (GsoHv)

273 And that has what to do with wireless electric meters?
Posted by: Vic at January 24, 2013 01:41 PM (53z96)


With that black box authorities have the ability to turn off your car at there whim. I get what your saying but the distrust of government is so deep we must always be wary of mission creep. Non techy types, most of us, can't help but be skeptical.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 24, 2013 01:45 PM (l86i3)

274 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 24, 2013 01:41 PM (GsoHv)



I daresay that ass is perfect and in serious need of tapping.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 24, 2013 01:45 PM (4c71i)

275 you know for two fellas who are complaining about personal insults, you are pretty free directing them at me, what with my "tiny skull" and being "an idiot". The only person shown to be ignorant about Israel here, is you

Posted by: thunderb at January 24, 2013 01:45 PM (Dnbau)

276 To the 2 trolls. Your comments are so far off base and so factually false that it boggles the mind.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 24, 2013 01:46 PM (9Bj8R)

277 I daresay that ass is perfect and in serious need of tapping.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 24, 2013 01:45 PM (4c71i)

My sentiments exactly.

There are some beautiful women in this world....and thank God for that.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 24, 2013 01:47 PM (GsoHv)

278 Posted by: Abe at January 24, 2013 01:43 PM (C+qQ0)


I guess that is possible if they went a damn long time without changing out the meters. But it would have to be a damn long time.


My best guess is that most of those people were full of shit. My mother used to raise hell when they skipped a month in meter reading and did an "estimated bill". I could not get her to believe that the next reading would even any thing there out.

Posted by: Vic at January 24, 2013 01:47 PM (53z96)

279 Posted by: thunderb at January 24, 2013 01:45 PM (Dnbau)

Don't get to upset. We should have ignored those 2 from the get go

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 24, 2013 01:47 PM (9Bj8R)

280
"Andrew, dear, we were talking about whether Morsi is correct, were we not? Now, we are talking about whether we should send Israel money? That was not the subject of this post or thread. Tell me, Andrew, help me understand you better. Do Jews control all the world's finances as well?"
You're not pulling thesarcasm off very well.Who is we? Others have raised other topics which have been responded to. If you want to have a one on one discussion let's go.

Posted by: Andrew at January 24, 2013 01:47 PM (HS3dy)

281 I thought we were paying the Jews to not kick the Arabs asses again, to keep those paradigms of warrior ethos happy in the Magic Kingdom. If we stop the checks, and that leads to Bibi taking the Sinai back, pushing the Gaza clowns into the sea, settling the West Bank, crushing Hezbollah, occupying Damascus, poinding Iran, and bulldozing that Arab crap off of the temple mount - then by all means, stop the checks.

Posted by: Jean at January 24, 2013 01:47 PM (X1lGS)

282 I daresay that ass is perfect and in serious need of tapping.

Hmmmmm, if only you were female.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 24, 2013 01:48 PM (RWS3b)

283 Posted by: Jean at January 24, 2013 01:47 PM (X1lGS)

Yep, we are trying to keep them from turning sand to glass. I give up, nuke away brothers of the tribe. You have my support.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 24, 2013 01:49 PM (l86i3)

284
"To the 2 trolls. Your comments are so far off base and so factually false that it boggles the mind. "
Oh do tell.
This is great news. So we're not broke, our government is running a huge surplus? This means we can afford to waste money on a foreign issue that is none of our business... is this what you're saying?

Posted by: Andrew at January 24, 2013 01:49 PM (HS3dy)

285 You know, with all this talk about Jews being secretly in control of everything, it make Jews look like the real master race.

If I convert to Judaism, can I help secretly run the world?

It sounds like profitable fun to me.

Posted by: Kristophr at January 24, 2013 01:50 PM (wYVte)

286 What, no answers to my questions FC?



Color me shocked!

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 24, 2013 01:50 PM (4c71i)

287 Oy Vey

ISLAM IS A MENTAL DISORDER!

Occam's Razor

Posted by: Hulugu at January 24, 2013 01:51 PM (JVBtw)

288 Vic, he duplicated their ack/response system and fed it data. An easier way would be to jam it, then put a big dog in your yard.

Posted by: Jean at January 24, 2013 01:51 PM (0cUd9)

289 Andrew you were the one complaining about sending Israel money. I have followed your meandering logic, but now I am done. You go try your interwebs lerning and internet tough guy muscles someplace else. Nobody here is buying

Posted by: thunderb at January 24, 2013 01:51 PM (Dnbau)

290 Of course the Jews are responsible for our massive debts, Andrew. They are using their orbital mind control lasers to operate Barrack Obama as a meat popsicle.

Posted by: Kristophr at January 24, 2013 01:52 PM (wYVte)

291 @215, what point are you trying to make, you haven't
refuted anything.

Posted by: Andrew at January 24, 2013 01:36 PM (HS3dy)
The point I'm making is that you're hopelessly clueless. Egypt has been a socialist country for six decades, with massive government control of the economy. In particular, the military controls many businesses; Mubarak's son wanted to implement pro-market reforms that would have threatened the military's economic position, causing the military leadership to lose confidence in Mubarak. Various other countries in the Middle East that sided with the USSR during the Cold War (e.g. Syria, Iraq, Libya) also had socialist economies.
Israel once had a quasi-socialist economy (not dissimilar from Britain, France, and many other Western countries in that era), but since 1977 there has been many bouts of free-market reforms carried out by governments led by the Likud party, which has been in power since 1977 except for a few brief intervals. It still isn't as free-market as it should be, but the same is true of the US and more or less every other country in the world.As for the "massive % of Israeli (Jews)have dual US citizenship", there were about 160,000 Israelis eligible to vote in the 2012 presidential election, out of a population of 7 million.

Posted by: DKCZ at January 24, 2013 01:52 PM (9/bcB)

292 As a conservative that knows no jews ( that I know of ) and has no skin inthe game I support Israel because they are the one shining beacon of civilization in what is otherwise a backwards shithole. And teh hot IDF chicks.

Posted by: Bosk at January 24, 2013 01:53 PM (n2K+4)

293 And teh hot IDF chicks.
Posted by: Bosk at January 24, 2013 01:53 PM (n2K+4)

That one reason works for me.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 24, 2013 01:54 PM (l86i3)

294 Andrew's concern is running on fumes.

He's currently rocking back and forth on the driver's seat in his shitbox trying to keep it coasting.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 24, 2013 01:54 PM (aZ6ew)

295 Time to close this thread.

Posted by: Vic at January 24, 2013 01:54 PM (53z96)

296 If we stop the checks, and that leads to Bibi taking the Sinai back, pushing the Gaza clowns into the sea, settling the West Bank, crushing Hezbollah, occupying Damascus, poinding Iran, and bulldozing that Arab crap off of the temple mount - then by all means, stop the checks.

I so owe you a beer for that.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 24, 2013 01:54 PM (RWS3b)

297 He's currently rocking back and forth on the driver's seat in his shitbox trying to keep it coasting.
Posted by: ontherocks at January 24, 2013 01:54 PM (aZ6ew)


I figured he was screaming Yabba Dabba Doo and pushing his yugo through the hole in the floorboard.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 24, 2013 01:55 PM (l86i3)

298
Look at the whole context of this news to begin with. A bunch of US Senators are in Egypt grilling him on his stance towards Israel. Why the hell is this even happening? The same ass clowns that have wrecked our economy, they are sticking their nose in the relationship between two sovereign states? And this is expected to yield positive results? Positive for whom?
Israel is an advanced country. Israelis are smart people. They have a highly capable military, bought and paid for by us. When will the umbilical cord be cut?
Why are we giving F16s to Egypt? To an Islamist dog. Why?
Oh, and btw, WE ARE BROKE. This is all paid for by our children. We paid $454 BILLION in INTEREST in FY2011. Half a trillion bucks in interest on debt.
I've got an idea. Let Israel have North Dakota. Hell, they can have a chunk of West Texas. Make them like Puerto Rico. Sick of spending money on this.
Israel has two problems. 1) All her neighbors. 2) Internal demographics. The nearly 2 million Muslim Arabs living in Israel are having a lot of babies and fast, much faster than the Jews. No matter what, Israel is fucked. They have two options. 1) Move somewhere else. 2) Buy a bunch of bulldozers and push all the Gazans into the sea. Push all the Palestinians in the West Bank into Jordan. And then after that round up all the Israeli Muslims, revoke their citizenship and force them to leave too.
Israel is screwed. We are financing a massive festering problem that will only result in huge amounts of war and cost even more money.
WE ARE BROKE

Posted by: Andrew at January 24, 2013 01:58 PM (HS3dy)

299
"As a conservative that knows no jews ( that I know of ) and has no skin inthe game I support Israel because they are the one shining beacon of civilization in what is otherwise a backwards shithole. And teh hot IDF chicks."

So you are enslaving me and my children with debt because you hate Muslims. News flash, you're not a conservative. You're a Democrat with an R

Posted by: Andrew at January 24, 2013 02:00 PM (HS3dy)

300 The real action isn't in screwing with basic meters, it in hacking the FIT stuff, Feed In Tariff meters produce cash. It's like hanging a little ATM on the outside of everyone's house.

Posted by: Jean at January 24, 2013 02:01 PM (Y8t25)

301 So you are enslaving me and my children with debt because you hate Muslims. News flash, you're not a conservative. You're a Democrat with an R

Which sure as hell beats having no firm moral standards and being a slave to a buck - as you have demonstrated.

OK y'all, I'm out, I've had all the invincible ignorance I can stomach for today. See you on the ONT.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 24, 2013 02:03 PM (RWS3b)

302 we would be fighting and paying to fight Islamofacism even if did not support Israel in any way. Ask Spain, or Germany, or France, or Great Britain, or Australia, or Russia. Even if there were no Israel, we would be fighting Islamofacists. Wake up

Posted by: thunderb at January 24, 2013 02:03 PM (Dnbau)

303 Make them like Puerto Rico. Sick of spending money on this.
Posted by: Andrew at January 24, 2013 01:58 PM (HS3dy)

What, you want the federal government to spend far more on Israel than it does now? And this after kvetching at length about how America's massive debt is caused by the $3 billion (not "trillions") in annual aid to Israel, much of which consists of purchases of US goods.

Posted by: DKCZ at January 24, 2013 02:04 PM (9/bcB)

304 Wait'll Andrew finds out he's likely typing at us from a computer with an Intel Core processor which was designed by Jooooos in Haifa after the more racially preferable (to him) American design team shit the bed with the Pentium 4 series.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 24, 2013 02:04 PM (B/VB5)

305 The Turks are indeed Turks, Ace. You got that one correct by guessing.

Geographically, they originally hail from Asian steppe regions abutting modern-day China to its north-center and north-west.

Linguistically, they're part of the Turkic family of languages, which also includes Uzbek, Uighur, Avar (extinct), Bulgar (extinct), Azerbaijani, and a bunch of obscure ones spoken by Asian transhumants. There used to be a theory that held Turkic was a sub-member of a larger Asian family that also included Mongolian, Tungusic, and even Japanese and Korean (the so-called "Altaic" family), but this is no longer believed by a majority of experts in the field.

Ethnically, they're all over the place. A mixture of pretty much every damn ethnic group from the regions they migrated from to end up in their current position, with an extremely strong infusion of ethnic Greek blood (Anatolia was 100% Greek-speaking and Indo-European in ethnicity when the Arabs and Turks first hit town.

This has been your language/ethnicity geek moment for the day.

Posted by: Jeff B. at January 24, 2013 02:05 PM (OQZWo)

306
I guess that is possible if they went a damn long time without
changing out the meters. But it would have to be a damn long time.

Vic at January 24, 2013 01:47 PM (53z96)


Would a fourty or fifty year old meter be in that range? The apartment was from the twenties, with knob and tube wiring and screw in plug fuses. Real old stuff. Anyway, when the property was purchased, contractors installed modern wiring and circuit breakers in the units and outside. PGE installed new smart meters. Anyway, I asked one of the PGE guys installing the meters what he thought. He said those were some real old meters, maybe four or five decades old, or more, and the bit about the old vs smart meters reading bit.

Anyway, I was curious, because smart meters were being installed all over the city at the time, and a lot of people were talking about it. So when I had the chance to talk to a PGE guy face to face about it, I took it. The complaints from the tenants came afterwards. They could have been full of shit. Or not. I don't really know.

Posted by: Abe at January 24, 2013 02:05 PM (C+qQ0)

307 >>>Remember Lara Logan? I'm sure her rapists do.

She now deals with covering dangerous stories "with Valium and red wine."


Remember how a number of commenters here at Ace of Spades called her a slut and a whore and said that she had it coming, for being there in the first place as a woman?

Because I sure do.

Posted by: Jeff B. at January 24, 2013 02:08 PM (OQZWo)

308
@291, we're talking past each other here. You are splitting hairs. I am not saying Egypt is good and Israel is bad. I'm not saying Israel is bad. All I'm saying is Israeli politics aren't what American conservatives think they are. If they understood Israeli politics, the fact that most American Jews are liberal wouldn't be a mystery any more.
I would agree with you that Israel has taken some motions toward moving more toward a free market economy, but they're still socialist. Israel started out as a socialist project and has been since day one. In academic terms, they are a socialist country. And you know what, for them, it seemed to work pretty well. A very homogenous, hard-working society that was bound by a common goal. Socialism can work. They have been prosperous. Their demographics and attitudes have changed over time though.
Egypt, who cares, why are we having this debate. Yes, socialism has existed in Egypt for a long time. However after Mubarak they technically weren't a socialist government any longer, closer to a monarchy but without that title.
All the controls you speak of happen in other gulf states too, but over there it isn't called socialism, it's called an absolute monarchy. There is a difference. Perhaps in some way nuanced, but a difference nonetheless.
Right now today, Egypt is not a socialist country. And it has not been regarded as one for decades.

Posted by: Andrew at January 24, 2013 02:09 PM (HS3dy)

309
Of course the Jews are responsible for our massive debts, Andrew. They
are using their orbital mind control lasers to operate Barrack Obama as a
meat popsicle.


Posted by: Kristophr at January 24, 2013 01:52 PM (wYVte)



I thought that's what Reggie Love used Barry for

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 24, 2013 02:10 PM (1Jaio)

310
"What, you want the federal government to spend far more on Israel than it does now?"

Yeah, let's talk about how bad those costs are after we get drug into a world war. Bequeathing a chunk of land we aren't presently using isn't much of a cost.

This suggestion is in jest of course, it will never happen. My point is clear though, the Israel issue leads nowhere good. Do youdisagree that Israel is fucked? Seriously, do you think we should defend them at all costs until the end of time? How much money is too much? Is there a limit to this relationship?

Posted by: Andrew at January 24, 2013 02:13 PM (HS3dy)

311 Yeah, the US is in hock because it's allied with Israel.

You really are one stupid fuck.

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 24, 2013 02:19 PM (xGlYu)

312 Who the fuck cares what the economic systems of the ME countries are? They made their choices, and Israel especially has done so through free elections.

We support Israel because we have a moral obligation to six million dead Jews to do so.

Posted by: rockmom at January 24, 2013 02:20 PM (NYnoe)

313 Remember how a number of commenters here at Ace of Spades called her a slut and a whore and said that she had it coming, for being there in the first place as a woman?Because I sure do.
Posted by: Jeff B.

that is a lie. I was here then

Posted by: thunderb at January 24, 2013 02:21 PM (Dnbau)

314 And we also support Israel because it is now home to most of the Jews from Russia who were persecuted and killed by the Communists.Theyalsodeserve to live in a free country where their lives and livelihoods are not constantly in danger just because they are Jews.

I think most of us would have no problem with a Palestinian state, or even a Muslim Brotherhood state of Egypt,if we thought theywould leave Israel alone. I don't give a fuck if billions of Muslims want to live like it was the 7th century. I just want them to leave Israel alone, because Israel deserves to be left alone.

Posted by: rockmom at January 24, 2013 02:25 PM (NYnoe)

315 >>>that is a lie. I was here then

Oh really? Well maybe you need to refresh your memory: http://minx.cc/?post=312107

Posted by: Jeff B. at January 24, 2013 02:38 PM (OQZWo)

316
"We support Israel because we have a moral obligation to six million dead Jews to do so."

And there it is. To the death! Fuck all the other dead people. Fuck our own children enslaved by our debt spending. Yes, you are a very moral person. My children send their thanks to you.

Posted by: Andrew at January 24, 2013 02:44 PM (HS3dy)

317 @291, we're talking past each other here. You
are splitting hairs.
Posted by: Andrew at January 24, 2013 02:09 PM (HS3dy)

I'm speaking directly at you, but you fail to understand the points that I and others are making because you know jack about Israel, Egypt, or the Middle East in general. Egypt, for example, has been an autocracy under Nasser, Sadat, Mubarak and now Morsi, and after Nasser constructed a socialist economy it's remained socialist to this day. There was no fundamental economic change between Sadat and Mubarak.

If you're going to say that "In academic terms, they [Israel] are a socialist country", then you might as well call the United States, Canada, Britain, France, and more or less every other Western country socialist --- in which case it can't be a reason for conservatives not to support Israel.

Spending around $3 billion per year in foreign aid does not constitute "defend[ing] them at all costs". Moreover, Israel is a rare ally that actually fights its own wars rather than relying on the United States military for protection.

In the elections just held in Israel, the two clearly right-wing parties, Likud and Jewish Home, together won over one-third of the seats, and will be able to form a majority coalition with either one secular centrist party (Yesh Atid) or two religious centrist parties (Shas and United Torah Judaism). This is not a "socialist" or "liberal" outcome.

Et cetera, ad nauseam.

Posted by: DKCZ at January 24, 2013 02:45 PM (9/bcB)

318
"I think most of us would have no problem with a Palestinian state, or even a Muslim Brotherhood state of Egypt,if we thought theywould leave Israel alone. I don't give a fuck if billions of Muslims want to live like it was the 7th century. I just want them to leave Israel alone, because Israel deserves to be left alone. "

The issues over there are far more complicated than you think.

Posted by: Andrew at January 24, 2013 02:48 PM (HS3dy)

319 President Morsi is very wise and perceptive to realize the role the Wall Street machine and the "international bankers" play in the shaping of public opinion. Corporatist media whips up a frenzy to start illegal racist wars against brown people so money can be made. And many of those making money have last names that end in -stern, -stein, or -berg.

This is why I listen to NPR.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, VT at January 24, 2013 02:59 PM (jCQ+I)

320
"If you're going to say that "In academic terms, they [Israel] are a socialist country", then you might as well call the United States, Canada, Britain, France, and more or less every other Western country socialist --- in which case it can't be a reason for conservatives not to support Israel."

My point was never to suggest that we shouldn't support Israel because they are socialist. I don't care if they are socialist. I defend their socialism. As I said, for them, it works fairly well. It's their country, they can do whatever the hell they want. My point was that they are liberal politically.

Your comparisons of Egypt vs. USA and the definition of socialism is my same statement to you in reverse. You are labeling Egypt as socialist simply by virtue of how things work in practice. If you want to play that game, yes, USA is also socialist at this point. Egypt's form of government was not considered socialistic after Mubarak. Egypt has never collected all resources from everybody and then redistributed to the community. But this is how Israel started.

Again, AGAIN, who cares? If you want me to concede that Egypt could be argued as socialistic, ok, I concede. I will concede this point. This is a point of view though. This is an area very open to debate. There are numerous graduate papers already debating this issue. Who cares. I'm not here to discuss Egypt and whether they are autocratic or socialist or what box we want to put them in.

My point is that Israel IS socialist. They started out socialist. Yes, lots of changes over the decades, they've moved away and back towards socialism in small ways... but by and large, they are still socialist. If a majority of Americans were plopped into Israel they would look around and say, "these people are socialists."

All this debate, all these words, what has it gotten us? Draw a line on a sheet a paper. Liberalism on the left. Convervatism on the right. Put dots marking American Jews next to Israeli Jews. Guess what, they're standing right next to each other, if not on top of each other.

Posted by: Andrew at January 24, 2013 02:59 PM (HS3dy)

321
"Spending around $3 billion per year in foreign aid does not constitute "defend[ing] them at all costs". Moreover, Israel is a rare ally that actually fights its own wars rather than relying on the United States military for protection."

This is such horse shit. And you claim to be an expert on this subject? I can't even count the number of bases in the Middle East I've been on. All of that is by and large for Israel.

Our government has officially stated that 9/11 was a result of blowback from our relationship with Israel. This is an official position. Not some conspiracy talk. The so-called "experts," the people we have in place in our intelligence and diplomatic communities, this is their professional assessment.

We give Israel far more than $3 billion a year. Tip of the iceberg. We give Israel $3 billion labeled as USAID. In addition to this we give tens of billions of dollars worth of military equipment that falls under a separate budget line item. In addition we give billions/year to basically all of Israel's neighbors, basically bribing them to play nice. We have bases and troops all over the place with guns pointed everywhere to keep them in check. To further massage the relationships we protect oil-rich nations. You can't have it both ways. If we aren't protecting them for the oil, then what are we protecting them for? "security"...? yeah, that's a code word for Israel. Qatar does not have ICBMs they can target the US with, so what are we concerned with? What security threat?

Israel in sum total costs us about $40+ billion/year directly, plus any other costs that are masked as "defense" plus any blowback costs like for example 9/11. And I'm not saying we should disown Israel because these terrorist assholes don't like us being friends with them, I'm just saying to acknowledge the real cost.

If Israel drops a nuclear bomb on Iran and starts a huge war, are you going to back them up? So no matter what they do, you'll be there to defend them? No matter the cost?

If Israel only costs $3 billion, if that's it, that's the whole cost, then you should have no problem saving that money. They are what, a $200-300 billion economy? That $3 billion should make no difference, they can tighten their belt and absorb that easily.


Posted by: Andrew at January 24, 2013 03:11 PM (HS3dy)

322 This is such horse shit. And you claim to be an
expert on this subject? I can't even count the number of bases in the
Middle East I've been on. All of that is by and large for Israel.
Posted by: Andrew at January 24, 2013 03:11 PM (HS3dy)

You're a moron (and not in the sense of being part of the AoS community). America's oldest Middle Eastern alliance is with Saudi Arabia, which was formed by FDR during WWII. We then established numerous alliances and bases in the Middle East in the post-WWII period to fight Soviet communism. For example, in 1955 the United States and Great Britain formed METO with Turkey, Iraq, Iran, and Pakistan in a failed effort to contain communist expansion. Other US alliances and/or bases in the Middle East at one time or another have included Libya, Morocco, Egypt, Jordan, and all of the small states on the Persian Gulf. Since Saudi Arabia and the small Gulf States weren't capable of defending themselves, we ended up defending them from Iran in the Tanker War of the late 80s and Iraq during the Gulf War in 1991, to say nothing of the Iraq War of 2003 and subsequent occupation. Yet the vast support given by the United States to Muslim countries (and especially to the oil-rich Muslim countries) somehow becomes the "real cost" of supporting Israel!

The rest of your comments display a similar ignorance and stupidity, especially regarding the September 11 attacks.

Posted by: DKCZ at January 24, 2013 03:28 PM (9/bcB)

323 Wow, it's actually really refreshing to realize how much common ground I have with you guys over Israel. Everyone from CBD to rockmom....you guys are awesome. Remember, I'm still stuck in college, and am constantly surrounded by trolls like Andrew. Y'all really are a breath of fresh air.

Posted by: Danny at January 24, 2013 03:33 PM (hAsz0)

324 My rage is keeping me warm right now.
Gonna be -15 tonight (-30 WC).

Posted by: ontherocks at January 24, 2013 03:40 PM (aZ6ew)

325 Remember how a number of commenters here at Ace of
Spades called her a slut and a whore and said that she had it coming,
for being there in the first place as a woman?

Because I sure do.


Posted by: Jeff B. at January 24, 2013 02:08 PM (OQZWo)


Really? I'm sure it was a very small number reflecting trolls and other dipshits. Are you sure you aren't getting them confused with commenters who said that her employer wasn't being very fucking smart to send an unarmed woman without adequate security into a misogynistic Islamic shithole that's been stirred up? Or are you just pulling one of your "I'm cooler than everybody else" scams?

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 24, 2013 03:44 PM (hrdOG)

326 " A professor explained there was a certain inferiority complex (or
perhaps he used a less derogatory word) in Arab Muslims because their
region was dominated by three local Great Powers -- Turkey, Iran, and
Israel -- and none of them was Arab."

One of the things that I always find entertaining is that the Iranian way of saying that you have your are dumb as a box of rocks is to say "you have an Arab head".

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at January 24, 2013 04:59 PM (31Nrp)

327 Andrew is a very wise young man. Obviously a product of correctly-thinking teachers during his education.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, Vermont at January 24, 2013 07:57 PM (G6U3l)






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Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
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