Salon's "Correction"

Photoshop of by @johnekdahl,
including Salon's "Editor at Large" Joan Walsh

2013 Corrections
On Jan. 22, Salon republished an article from one of our content partners, the Weeklings, that was sympathetic to unfounded 9/11 conspiracies. The article slipped through our usual review process, and was clearly not up to our standards; we removed it as soon as it was brought to our attention by readers. Salon has a long history of debunking fringe conspiracists — around Sept. 11, and more recently, Sandy Hook — and are proud of those efforts. We regret this oversight.

The support of 9/11 Trutherism wasn't a single sentence buried in the 17th paragraph of the piece. It was the entire precis of the article; indeed, it appeared right in the headline itself.

Give truthers a chance?
Not all conspiracy theorists are as crazy as Alex Jones and the Sandy Hook Truthers would have you believe.

And then it's right there in a big fat paragraph that explains the headline:

What concerns me about the repudiation of the Hookers is that the 9/11 Truthers are being tarred with the same “crackpot” brush [as other conspiracy theorists]. Yes, many of the September Eleventh conspiracy theories are implausible, and too often veer, as conspiracy theories unfortunately tend to do, toward the anti-Semitic. But unlike with Sandy Hook, 9/11 conspiracy theories flow from a scientific fact: whatever the 9/11 Commission Report might claim, fire generated by burning jet fuel is not hot enough to melt steel. As with JFK’s “Magic Bullet,” the official version asks us to pretend that the laws of physics do not exist.

And then this:

Another criterion, when evaluating conspiracy theories, is the “Cicero test”; we must ask ourseves: Cui bono? It’s not enough to suggest that the official record is wrong; without a motive for the deceit, absent some obvious beneficiary, there can be no conspiracy. To wit: there are any number of reasons any number of people could have benefited from the removal of JFK from office. The attacks of 9/11, similarly, had countless ripple effects, sparking a massive re-investment in the U.S. military, two wars that cost trillions of dollars, and that legislated erosion of our privacy with the Orwellian name, the Patriot Act, to name but three. Many, many organizations, corporations, states, and individuals benefited, directly or indirectly, from the events of that day.

So the "Sandy Hook conspiracy" falls because there is no good answer to the "Cui bono?" "Cicero test" (as these Mensa Chapter Presidents term it), but the 9/11 Truth conspiracy does pass the test.

So, you know: 9/11 "Truth" is respectable and stuff.

And even in the conclusion:

So: the Sandy Hook conspiracy theory has neither basis in fact nor motive. It is, in a word, bunk. But that does not mean that all conspiracy theories are automatically wrong, or that we should believe whatever the government tells us without question. The JFK “truthers” were eventually vindicated, and the government lies all the time. Keep an open mind! Like the proverbial broken clock, even Alex Jones is right sometimes.

This is not some stray remark. Again, this is the whole point of the article, as telegraphed in the headline.

Now Salon says:

The article slipped through our usual review process, and was clearly not up to our standards; we removed it as soon as it was brought to our attention by readers.

Does their "usual review process" include reading even the headlines?

So you didn't "review" the headline, and you also didn't bother to check the conclusion, either?

It was only "brought to their attention by readers"? A category -- "readers" -- which appears not to include a single staffer or editor at Salon?

Would it be more honest for Salon to just confess they don't have a "review process"?

If you can't even be bothered to skim the headlines of the pieces you publish, you don't have a "review process."

Posted by: Ace at 06:39 PM

Comments

1 I feel so grey...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at January 23, 2013 06:41 PM (9+ccr)

2 Firsties?

Posted by: No more redhot poker up the ass at January 23, 2013 06:41 PM (1XRS7)

3 "Who gives a fuck?"

---Hillary Clinton

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 23, 2013 06:42 PM (4cRnj)

4 The conspiracy must have gotten to them!

Posted by: Evil Otto at January 23, 2013 06:42 PM (+9HV6)

5 Well I was grey...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at January 23, 2013 06:42 PM (9+ccr)

6 We regret this oversight.

They mean ace's oversight of them.

Posted by: t-bird at January 23, 2013 06:42 PM (FcR7P)

7 Cleanup Aisle 253 of the below thread.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 23, 2013 06:43 PM (0q2P7)

8 Salon is another piece of progressive liberal dreck

Posted by: No more redhot poker up the ass at January 23, 2013 06:43 PM (1XRS7)

9 Their editor is Rosanne Rosannadanna.

Posted by: Roy at January 23, 2013 06:43 PM (tiOTz)

10 Shorter Salon:

We really don't know what the fucks going on.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 23, 2013 06:43 PM (jucos)

11 At this point, what does it matter? The building is long gone. The people aren't here any more. Let's move on to 2016 already.

Posted by: Hillary at January 23, 2013 06:44 PM (ndlFj)

12 Fire only melts IQs.

Posted by: Sgt. York at January 23, 2013 06:44 PM (FqBlL)

13 They mean ace's oversight of them.

"We regret that you stupid wingnutz are too stupid to grasp the nuance."

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at January 23, 2013 06:44 PM (hO8IJ)

14 "We regret oversight"

--Salon

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 23, 2013 06:45 PM (4cRnj)

15
This is like How I met your Mother when Robin realizes even her station manager doesn't watch their news program.
Poor Salon, readership of 0.

Posted by: tsrblke at January 23, 2013 06:46 PM (GaqMa)

16 SQUIRREL!

Posted by: Salon at January 23, 2013 06:46 PM (jucos)

17 I guess they don't have layers of fact checkers and editors.

Posted by: huerfano at January 23, 2013 06:46 PM (bAGA/)

18 All truthers should have the crap beat out of them.

Posted by: Waldo Truth at January 23, 2013 06:46 PM (WIZUa)

19 Does it really matter?

--Hillary

*Eye Roll*

---Michelle the First

Posted by: New Female Defenders of the Liberal Truth! at January 23, 2013 06:46 PM (r2PLg)

20 The article slipped through our usual review process

It fairly breezed thru, I'll bet, with flying colors.

Posted by: t-bird at January 23, 2013 06:47 PM (FcR7P)

21 All of this madness.

Thankfully if you jump to the fifth dimension it all disappears.

Posted by: CAC at January 23, 2013 06:47 PM (ijPYh)

22 I'm feeling a little grey today for some reason.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 23, 2013 06:47 PM (0q2P7)

23 The Boxening

Posted by: New Female Defenders of the Liberal Truth! at January 23, 2013 06:48 PM (r2PLg)

24 Dude. You do more checking to see if a cob has just posted a post on the same topic five seconds ago than Salon does on its "articles" and "content".

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Take us away. at January 23, 2013 06:48 PM (Gk3SS)

25 Layers and layers of html-checkers...

Posted by: t-bird at January 23, 2013 06:48 PM (FcR7P)

26 Am I blue?

Posted by: Sgt. York at January 23, 2013 06:48 PM (FqBlL)

27
Next up for Salon: Math and Debt it's overrated

Posted by: YIKES! at January 23, 2013 06:48 PM (mETGQ)

28 Steel. Fire. Grayness. I looked it up. Something happened somewhere one time.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 23, 2013 06:48 PM (p/cQy)

29

Man, that's some intelligence right there, so bright and flammable, it might even melt steel it's so damn impressive!

I mean, you know, you hang around with smart people, you get pretty dang smart yourself!

man, these people are smart.

You know who else is smart? That chick Len Dunham.

She went to one of those schools that don't have grades!

You know that makes people very, very smart.

Posted by: Rev Dr. E Buzz Yannoglanchie at January 23, 2013 06:49 PM (ApGOC)

30 Fire can melt the Salon

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 23, 2013 06:49 PM (jucos)

31 "Just curious, are all the Salon critics firemen? I didn't think so." - Terry Moran

"Fire? Never heard of it." - Charles Gibson

Posted by: Sgt. York at January 23, 2013 06:49 PM (FqBlL)

32 Remember what you said earlier about the MFM (especially the peons) wanting to be part of the Leftist Aristocracy, but not quite qualifying, so they must be even more stridently leftist than their "betters" to prove themselves worthy of being part of the self-proclaimed elite?

Well, Salon is not quite MFM, so there you go. Quod et demonstrandum.

Oh, and MFM delenda est, along with their remora-like mini-mes.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 23, 2013 06:50 PM (bxiXv)

33 As soon as I saw the video pop-up on Facebook, I lumped anyone who believed it in with the 9/11 Truthers. It is so much more comfortable to believe there is some mastermind behind every tragedy than it is to acknowledge that bad shit sometimes happens.

Posted by: no good deed at January 23, 2013 06:51 PM (mjR67)

34 Shut up or I'll do my Nikita Khrushchev imitation--

and I'll take of more than my shoe!!

Posted by: Hillary! at January 23, 2013 06:51 PM (r2PLg)

35 Steel is located between Diamond and Kryptonite on the periodic table. Only the power of a thousand suns can melt it. That is why we use it for making spoons.

Posted by: Mr. Brainiac, Salon Science Editor at January 23, 2013 06:51 PM (SzAZ7)

36 >> we removed it as soon as it was brought to our attention by readers.

Reader*s*. Plural?

That's clearly a lie.

Posted by: Andy at January 23, 2013 06:52 PM (OZPoa)

37 24 Dude. You do more checking to see if a cob has just posted a post on the same topic five seconds ago than Salon does on its "articles" and "content".

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Take us away. at January 23, 2013 06:48 PM (Gk3SS)

"Layers and Layers of Professional Fact Checking" actually equals "does this milk smell funny to you?"

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 23, 2013 06:52 PM (bxiXv)

38

The JFK “truthers” were eventually vindicated, ...

Wait, what?

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at January 23, 2013 06:52 PM (ttwHG)

39 and I'll take *off* more than my shoe!!

Posted by: Hillary! at January 23, 2013 06:52 PM (r2PLg)

40 >>>fire generated by burning jet fuel is not hot enough to melt steel. As
with JFK’s “Magic Bullet,” the official version asks us to pretend that
the laws of physics do not exist.

God...The stupidity.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 23, 2013 06:52 PM (0q2P7)

41 AoSHQ's Headline Editorial Staff sets a high bar.

Posted by: garrett at January 23, 2013 06:54 PM (uUoUj)

42 So how did Blacksmiths of Medieval Europe forge ...anything ...with their wood fires?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 23, 2013 06:54 PM (0q2P7)

43
and they'll defend 'birtherism' or pretend it never happened in 3 years when Sen Rubio begins his pres campaign

The Left, (and many useful idiots on the Right), will constantly challenge Rubio's citizenship. And, unlike with Obama, the media will join in on the skepticism.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 23, 2013 06:54 PM (vyPsz)

44
Posted by: Comrade Arthur at January 23, 2013 06:52 PM (ttwHG)

Clearly he's never seen the King of the hill episode where Dale goes *sane* after finding the appendix to the Warren Report.

Posted by: tsrblke at January 23, 2013 06:55 PM (GaqMa)

45 Can we get a troll busting on the below thread at 253?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 23, 2013 06:55 PM (0q2P7)

46 But the climate change conspiracy is still OK, right?

Posted by: occam at January 23, 2013 06:55 PM (jnNgc)

47 Blacksmiths used black magic duhhh

Posted by: gigg at January 23, 2013 06:56 PM (1YGnh)

48 Remember a couple days ago when ace was saying that if they're just hit-whoring, they could have a not pick and place their content?

Looks like he was more right than he knew.

Posted by: Truman North, now at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 06:56 PM (I2LwF)

49 Salon has the world's greatest conspiracy nut on its staff, one Green Glenwald, and they don't even bother to get his sage advice?

Posted by: Fritz at January 23, 2013 06:56 PM (w3+gB)

50 You can't trust steel. It has such a temper.

Posted by: no good deed at January 23, 2013 06:57 PM (mjR67)

51 Salon readers believe spraying the air with vinegar will destroy jet contrails

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 23, 2013 06:57 PM (8sCoq)

52 I am voting with my feet. I don't go there anymore. Used to before TFG showed up and they all lost their minds.

Posted by: sTevo at January 23, 2013 06:57 PM (L7std)

53
>>> Posted by: occam

Back under the stairs, freak.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 23, 2013 06:58 PM (Y4TdB)

54 Another criterion, when evaluating conspiracy theories, is the “Cicero test”

They had my number. Bitchez.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 23, 2013 06:58 PM (QKKT0)

55 They should hire the Wapo fact checker.

Posted by: BignJames at January 23, 2013 06:58 PM (HtUkt)

56 >>>But the climate change conspiracy is still OK, right?

I have no idea. Let me see your raw data and I'll let you know.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 23, 2013 07:00 PM (0q2P7)

57 JFK truthers were vindicated?I guess the write thought the movie JFK was a documentary(sadly,this is not a joke,many believed it was completely factual)

Posted by: steevy at January 23, 2013 07:00 PM (9XBK2)

58 51 Salon readers believe spraying the air with vinegar will destroy jet contrails

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 23, 2013 06:57 PM (8sCoq)

I am so glad that didn't catch on, I would *so* have been arrested for assault by now.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 23, 2013 07:01 PM (bxiXv)

59 253... a commenter unfortunately copied 253 on 266

Posted by: ette at January 23, 2013 07:01 PM (nqBYe)

60 If this conspiracy is true I am completely disappointed in the lack of cheap oil we apparently stole from the middle east.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at January 23, 2013 07:01 PM (NzBQO)

61 When Salon breathes its last there will be no celebrations. No one will give a shit.

At least that's how I remember it.

Posted by: John Titor at January 23, 2013 07:01 PM (xKC/c)

62 Hey, how long before Lemur comes in to shoehorn his Moby act about Mexicans into this thread?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 23, 2013 07:01 PM (4c71i)

63 I have no idea. Let me see your raw data and I'll let you know.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 23, 2013 07:00 PM (0q2P7)

You can't fool me, it's models all the way down!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 23, 2013 07:01 PM (bxiXv)

64 #58
Just spray them with Liquid Ass.

Posted by: CAC at January 23, 2013 07:01 PM (ijPYh)

65

shouldn't it be the Umberto Eco Test?

Posted by: soothsayer at January 23, 2013 07:02 PM (LPRBM)

66 Why the fuck is this Salon thing significant? Today was a big news day

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 23, 2013 07:02 PM (FKQng)

67 >> 7 Cleanup Aisle 253 of the below thread.

Thanks

Posted by: Andy at January 23, 2013 07:02 PM (OZPoa)

68 Slipped through Salons review process? WTF that sounds like 99% of the softball questions lobbed at Hilly...

Posted by: Clemenza at January 23, 2013 07:03 PM (x59Gv)

69 I hadn't paid much attention, but the few bits I'd seen regarding Sandy
Hook seemed to revolve around the almost immediate control and co-opting
of the media narrative by the Administration into a massive Gun Control
Agenda. Now, that dog and pony show was most likely prepped and
waiting on an opportunity and the Administration clearly hoped to
benefit from a hue and cry to disarm American Citizens; and that was a
Conspiracy just not the one people are looking for.

Posted by: 2nd Amendment Mother at January 23, 2013 07:03 PM (L4CWX)

70 7 Cleanup Aisle 253 of the below thread.

Thanks

Posted by: Andy at January 23, 2013 07:02 PM (OZPoa)

and 266

Posted by: ette at January 23, 2013 07:04 PM (nqBYe)

71 69 Yep.The left activates it in the aftermath of every high profile shooting.

Posted by: steevy at January 23, 2013 07:04 PM (9XBK2)

72 I guess what is apparent now, to all, is that nobody in Politics is as mad as the voters...Sharpen the Guillotine.

Posted by: Clemenza at January 23, 2013 07:04 PM (x59Gv)

73 o how did Blacksmiths of Medieval Europe forge ...anything ...with their wood fires?

Duh, nuclear power. Do I have to spell everything out for you?

Posted by: pep at January 23, 2013 07:05 PM (6TB1Z)

74 The quanty of the one overcame the quantity of the other. I'm gone.

Watch the bits flip. You will wind up w/ a number. Put the number where you desire in your scale.

Wventtally you wind up w/ total. Total will tell tell.

Posted by: dDan at January 23, 2013 07:05 PM (q1RJB)

75 My God, it's full of chemtrails!

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 23, 2013 07:05 PM (BuSM8)

76 I think the correction is what "slipped through" their review process.

And I think the "Sandy Hook Conspiracy" is trying to convince people that media reports are reliable or useful.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 23, 2013 07:05 PM (bxiXv)

77 68 Well,we knew any chance of getting to the bottom of Benghazi(or FF or getting this country back on a sane path etc etc) died on November 6th.

Posted by: steevy at January 23, 2013 07:06 PM (9XBK2)

78 Regarding this Hooker conspiracy, I will admit I was a little surprised when NBC news came out with a blurb on how all the guns in the school were handguns, no Bushmaster. So all the kids were killed with handguns 4 of them apparently.

Does that mean we can keep our "assault" weapons?

Posted by: Jaimo at January 23, 2013 07:06 PM (D8lIv)

79 >> and 266

Got it

Posted by: Andy at January 23, 2013 07:07 PM (OZPoa)

80

Either they dont have a review process or they agreed with
the article. Either one is damning in my view.

Posted by: Thorisin at January 23, 2013 07:07 PM (jxir/)

81 Does that mean we can keep our "assault" weapons?
Posted by: Jaimo

Is the Left still a bunch of fascist pricks? Yes? Ok, then, no.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 23, 2013 07:09 PM (xz0nG)

82 Damn!

Posted by: Jaimo at January 23, 2013 07:09 PM (D8lIv)

83 75 My God, it's full of chemtrails!

That's a shitload better than rods.
Cuz those little buggers hurt like hell.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at January 23, 2013 07:10 PM (Qxdfp)

84 77 68 Well,we knew any chance of getting to the bottom of Benghazi(or FF or getting this country back on a sane path etc etc) died on November 6th.

Posted by: steevy at January 23, 2013 07:06 PM (9XBK2)

I have this mental image of the Democrats denying we have any problems with the budget or lawless government or the economy as sort of victims actually in the mouth of a shark yelling "No, it's fine, there's no problem, nothing to see here!"

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 23, 2013 07:11 PM (bxiXv)

85 Fire cannot melt Gay!

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 07:12 PM (eqgV8)

86 Is the Left still a bunch of fascist pricks? Yes? Ok, then, no.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 23, 2013 07:09 PM (xz0nG)

Actually that's the best reason to have them. The harder they push, the stronger my reason. I'm like the Hulk in that way.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 23, 2013 07:12 PM (bxiXv)

87 Centerist!

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 23, 2013 07:13 PM (0q2P7)

88 Scrunt Joan Walsh called me a moron on Twitter cause I asked this:

"Hi @joanwalsh. As the editor or @Salon, maybe you should have spent less time on MSNBC and MORE being editor?"

Izzat great or what? Am I now officially part of the moron horde?

Posted by: @SCOAMT at January 23, 2013 07:13 PM (ua8gC)

89 I used to feel justified.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 23, 2013 07:13 PM (QKKT0)

90 Get in the barrel ace.

Posted by: steevy at January 23, 2013 07:13 PM (9XBK2)

91 I did fall for the YouTube video this weekend when it was emailed to me though. My hubby thought I was mad and that the government wasn't smart enough to come up with this, I've since let it go, especially when Glenn Beck pooh pooh's it, I know I'm off in grassy knoll land.

Still can't get over how the coroner said all those kids were shot with a long rifle and it turns out they were hit with handguns. Why the error? This still could have been co-opted by the Obama admin. Once the shooting takes place, tell everyone it's an assault rifle and immediately start the progressive juices flowing for disarming us of us semi-automatic weapons. Then let the info slip a month later that actually all the kids were hit with regular handguns. No one is paying attention or even cares, since we now have the Bamster's 23 commandments on gun control.

Posted by: Jaimo at January 23, 2013 07:13 PM (D8lIv)

92 Suddenly my life is more ...centered!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at January 23, 2013 07:14 PM (Cnqmv)

93 Someone is going into the barrel

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at January 23, 2013 07:14 PM (BuSM8)

94 I didn't believe the Sandy Hood conspiracy until Anderson Cooper lost his f'n mind denying it.

Now I have questions.

Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 07:14 PM (OQpzc)

95 You mean this whole time we were one missed tag from eradicating leftism?

Posted by: t-bird at January 23, 2013 07:14 PM (FcR7P)

96 Ladies and Gentlemen it appears we have been "
set up
for this since the 60's

Posted by: Clemenza at January 23, 2013 07:14 PM (x59Gv)

97 Get in the barrel ace.

I think that would cause one of those time-wrinkles.

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 23, 2013 07:14 PM (9YFI1)

98 The Turks are pissed at George Lucas, because Jabba's Palace looks like the Ayia Sofia.

Nice of the Turks to stick up for the honour of a sacred Orthodox church

Posted by: boulder hobo at January 23, 2013 07:15 PM (QTHTd)

99 I trust you're all feeling less centered now.

How much loose shit do I have to fix here this evening?

Posted by: Andy at January 23, 2013 07:15 PM (OZPoa)

100 And now I 've veered left again!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at January 23, 2013 07:15 PM (Cnqmv)

101 including Salon's "Editor at Large" Joan Walsh

I hesitate to condemn this guy because I enjoyed learning "Rocky Mountain Way" as a kid.

Wait, what?

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 23, 2013 07:15 PM (9YFI1)

102 So I guess this means Ace is now "middle" of the road? Hello! Is this thing on?

Posted by: weirdflunky at January 23, 2013 07:16 PM (tlhtD)

103 How much loose shit do I have to fix here this evening?
Posted by: Andy

Well, since you asked ...

Posted by: Dr. Al Roker & his amazing band at January 23, 2013 07:16 PM (xz0nG)

104 "98 The Turks are pissed at George Lucas, because Jabba's Palace looks like the Ayia Sofia.

Nice of the Turks to stick up for the honour of a sacred Orthodox church

Posted by: boulder hobo at January 23, 2013 07:15 PM (QTHTd) "

The Turks should stop Occupying Constantinople. It's the least they could do.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 07:16 PM (eqgV8)

105 The Turks are pissed at George Lucas, because Jabba's Palace looks like the Ayia Sofia.

Funny, Zombie Constantius is pissed because the Turks have a mosque that looks like Hagia Sophia.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 23, 2013 07:16 PM (QKKT0)

106 Good work, Ace.

Joan Walsh will not age well.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 23, 2013 07:17 PM (UOM48)

107 Posted by: weirdflunky at January 23, 2013 07:16 PM (tlhtD)

Now if he could do center right, I'd have a job offering!

Posted by: Karl Rover at January 23, 2013 07:17 PM (Cnqmv)

108 Posted by: Jaimo at January 23, 2013 07:13 PM (D8lIv)

No, it doesn't "turn out" anything, because either story comes from the same unreliable source.

You *know* nothing about what happened, because you're getting you're news from idiots.

Which, to some extent, we all are, which is part of the reason everyone is so stressed out, because we have all this contradictory and unreliable information and sorting it out is a fuckload of work and even *then* we have only a vague idea of what's going on.

Which is not an accident.

Don't believe the second lie just becuase you found out about the first.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 23, 2013 07:17 PM (bxiXv)

109 I want so badly to "accidentally" send this to my Salon-obsessed Obamabot sister.

*sigh* We've just started speaking again (since I sent her $$ for that pagan Christmas holiday), so I guess I won't.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 23, 2013 07:19 PM (UOM48)

110 Cicero test.
Midway Airport is on Cicero, it's just north of the train yard, it's a famous Pacific Island battle, it's ... I got nothing.
Wait, Fox's Pizza (not the chain) has a restaurant on Cicero (it's great) and you've got Fox Mulder on the front page and ... I got nothing and now I'm hungry and the best you can do for pizza around here is Ledo's which ain't bad but it ain't Chicago.

Posted by: DaveA at January 23, 2013 07:19 PM (hOlQL)

111 Why is this such a big deal? It's not like anyone gives serious though to Salon.

BRB, time to read about how "ALIEN SPACESHIPS TO ATTACK EARTH IN MARCH 2013!" from a respectable news source:

http://tinyurl.com/a4zejtd

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 23, 2013 07:20 PM (XvHmy)

112 Wait, what?
Posted by: Waterhouse at January 23, 2013 07:15 PM (9YFI1)

I loved Life's Been Good. Great song. Didn't know it was a chick. Kinda ugly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXWvKDSwvls

Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 07:20 PM (OQpzc)

113 >> Then let the info slip a month later that actually all the kids were hit with regular handguns.

Link?

Posted by: Andy at January 23, 2013 07:21 PM (OZPoa)

114
ol' chums, ring me when the petty bickering is about to commence

tanx,

S

Posted by: soothsayer at January 23, 2013 07:21 PM (yhYn1)

115 'Salon' is not a magazine or blog or 'news'

It's masturbation-- it's purpose reveals its nature, as Aristotle said

Posted by: sierra five at January 23, 2013 07:22 PM (Dll6b)

116 "110 Cicero test.
Midway Airport is on Cicero, it's just north of the train yard, it's a famous Pacific Island battle, it's ... I got nothing.
Wait, Fox's Pizza (not the chain) has a restaurant on Cicero (it's great) and you've got Fox Mulder on the front page and ... I got nothing and now I'm hungry and the best you can do for pizza around here is Ledo's which ain't bad but it ain't Chicago.

Posted by: DaveA at January 23, 2013 07:19 PM (hOlQL) "

His first name was Fox?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 07:22 PM (eqgV8)

117 Don't believe the second lie just becuase you found out about the first.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 23, 2013 07:17 PM (bxiXv)

At this point, I have become convinced that everything I read in the media, see on TV, or hear on the radio is essentially a lie (to varying degrees of intensity).
The only place where I think I might find truth-tellers is AoS, and frankly, I have begun to believe that most of you are liars as well.

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 23, 2013 07:22 PM (Cnqmv)

118 I'm thinking that they are confusing "review process" with scathing ridicule and internet blowback.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 23, 2013 07:23 PM (aZ6ew)

119 .The only place where I think I might find
truth-tellers is AoS, and frankly, I have begun to believe that most of
you are liars as well.

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 23, 2013 07:22 PM (Cnqmv)

C'mon, man

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 23, 2013 07:24 PM (8sCoq)

120 Posted by: The Political Hat at January 23, 2013 07:20 PM (XvHmy)

At last, a news source not afraid to tell the truth!

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 23, 2013 07:25 PM (Cnqmv)

121 Y'all are listening to Life's Been Good aren't you?

Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 07:26 PM (OQpzc)

122 Hard to read headlines with their head up their own ass.

Posted by: Aaron at January 23, 2013 07:27 PM (Tlix5)

123 "121 Y'all are listening to Life's Been Good aren't you?

Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 07:26 PM (OQpzc) "

I'm thinking of Agent Skully.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 07:27 PM (eqgV8)

124 And also, that my pants are sort of tight.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 07:28 PM (eqgV8)

125 Salon Review Process:

Does product defend Liberals or assault Conservatives?

If yes, run piece.

If no, rewrite piece to defend Liberals or attack Conservatives.

I'd say their review process is generally on the mark and quite effective.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 23, 2013 07:28 PM (eHIJJ)

126 to believe that most of you are liars as well.
Really? Just because we don't have any idea what the truth is? Frequently wrong but never in doubt is a way of life.

Posted by: weirdflunky at January 23, 2013 07:28 PM (tlhtD)

127 I'm thinking of Agent Skully.
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 07:27 PM (eqgV

Didn't she get turned into goo once? I find that off putting.

Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 07:28 PM (OQpzc)

128 "Frequently wrong but never in doubt is a way of life."

That's "Fat, Drunk and Stupid" to you, chum

Posted by: Flounder at January 23, 2013 07:29 PM (QTHTd)

129 "127 I'm thinking of Agent Skully.
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 07:27 PM (eqgV

Didn't she get turned into goo once? I find that off putting.

Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 07:28 PM (OQpzc) "

I don't know. The show had one homo too many for me to find it enjoyable. :-P

(I liked The Lone Gunmen. Too bad that got canceled.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 07:30 PM (eqgV8)

130 A new thread is waaaay overdue!

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 23, 2013 07:33 PM (Cnqmv)

131 (I liked The Lone Gunmen. Too bad that got canceled.)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 07:30 PM (eqgV

I guess the one stud per three geek ratio didn't work. I'm still bummed Stargate got cancelled when Claudia Black gave me such happy feelings. I love that girl.

Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 07:33 PM (OQpzc)

132 X-Files was at it's best with the various monster episodes.The ones with the conspiracies,alien and otherwise,sucked.

Posted by: steevy at January 23, 2013 07:33 PM (9XBK2)

133 Salon? Didn't anyone hear that a little girl was caught with a paper gun at school today? A paper gun for God's sake!! and we're talking about Salon?

Posted by: Guido at January 23, 2013 07:33 PM (XLuH2)

134
You know, I'm starting to believe that Mitt Romney was able to kill that woman with cancer.

I'm almost sure he used a special chemical that comes from the rain forest, which he voted to kill by the way. I think it comes from a frog.

See, he was able to find that frog, or more accurately, pay some poor farmers who probably also got cancer, to find that frog, and put some of that poison on a dart that he paid some guy to shoot her with while she wasn't paying attention.

Christ this makes sense!!!

Posted by: Rev Dr. E Buzz Yannoglanchie at January 23, 2013 07:33 PM (ApGOC)

135 131 Yeah,she's hawt.

Posted by: steevy at January 23, 2013 07:33 PM (9XBK2)

136 The JFK “truthers” were eventually vindicated

WTF?!?

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 23, 2013 07:34 PM (QupBk)

137 A new thread is waaaay overdue!
Posted by: Hrothgar at January 23, 2013 07:33 PM (Cnqmv)

Throw something out there and see if anyone salutes it. I'm failing here, but I'm trying.

Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 07:34 PM (OQpzc)

138 "131 (I liked The Lone Gunmen. Too bad that got canceled.)
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 07:30 PM (eqgV

I guess the one stud per three geek ratio didn't work. I'm still bummed Stargate got cancelled when Claudia Black gave me such happy feelings. I love that girl.

Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 07:33 PM (OQpzc) "

Which one was Claudia Black?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 07:35 PM (eqgV8)

139 "132 X-Files was at it's best with the various monster episodes.The ones with the conspiracies,alien and otherwise,sucked.

Posted by: steevy at January 23, 2013 07:33 PM (9XBK2) "

The Lone Gunmen was pretty much the only good thing about the X-Files.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 07:36 PM (eqgV8)

140 137
A new thread is waaaay overdue!

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 23, 2013 07:33 PM (Cnqmv)

Throw something out there and see if anyone salutes it. I'm failing here, but I'm trying.

Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 07:34 PM (OQpzc

Fifty Shades of a Second Term: Baraka and M'chelle Exposed as Never Before

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 23, 2013 07:36 PM (UOM48)

141 Which one was Claudia Black?
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 07:35 PM (eqgV

The one who used to be a goa'uld host. Brunette, bad girl. They imported her from Australia after Farscape went under.

Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 07:37 PM (OQpzc)

142 I mean, you know, you hang around with smart people, you get pretty dang smart yourself!

Up your intelligence by osmosis, the liberal way. Just three easy payments of your soul, you spouse's soul, and your children's future.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 23, 2013 07:37 PM (QupBk)

143 Nobody reads Salon, not even the editors.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 23, 2013 07:37 PM (T0NGe)

144 Forget it Ace, It's SalonDouche town.

Posted by: The Hobo Wears Prada at January 23, 2013 07:37 PM (Z5BDI)

145 Which one was Claudia Black?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 07:35 PM (eqgV

Vala Mal Doran. Last couple of seasons, black hair, rogue, was also Aeryn Sun on Farscape.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 23, 2013 07:38 PM (bxiXv)

146 So I'll wander off topic a bit.

How can it be that the Repubs have had essentially FOUR months to study Benghazi, collect their own intelligence, assess timelines, and prepare questions for Hillary, and still manage to fail in such a spectacular manner to obtain any new information, or pin down obvious errors in public statements by senior government officials?

The title of "practiced incompetence" has been won yet again by the party of Boner and Bitch.

Posted by: Hrothgar's Cheap & Dirty Paving Company at January 23, 2013 07:38 PM (Cnqmv)

147 Nobody reads Salon, not even the editors.

*****

Threadwinner

Posted by: panzernashorn at January 23, 2013 07:39 PM (MhA4j)

148 "141 Which one was Claudia Black?
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 07:35 PM (eqgV

The one who used to be a goa'uld host. Brunette, bad girl. They imported her from Australia after Farscape went under.

Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 07:37 PM (OQpzc) "

The Peacekeeper?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 07:39 PM (eqgV8)

149 Claudia Black in SG1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys1neZKSZ5Y

Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 07:39 PM (OQpzc)

150 Salon moves back, and to the left, back, and to the left, back, and to the left ...

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 23, 2013 07:40 PM (QupBk)

151 Posted by: Hrothgar's Cheap Dirty Paving Company at January 23, 2013 07:38 PM (Cnqmv)

Rand Paul got blows in today. Pissed the Hildebeast off.

He impressed the hell out of me.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 23, 2013 07:40 PM (UOM48)

152 Cui Bono? Is that Cher's other kid?

Posted by: joey biden at January 23, 2013 07:43 PM (ORGYc)

153 Claudia Black is also the voice of the romantic-interest in the game "Uncharted 2".

Posted by: boulder hobo at January 23, 2013 07:43 PM (QTHTd)

154 The only place where I think I might find
truth-tellers is AoS, and frankly, I have begun to believe that most of
you are liars as well.

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 23, 2013 07:22 PM (Cnqmv)

ouch.
ok my name is not ette. happy now?

Posted by: ette at January 23, 2013 07:44 PM (nqBYe)

155 Oh, and Claudia Black gets killed too early in "Pitch Black" as well.

/fanboi

Posted by: boulder hobo at January 23, 2013 07:44 PM (QTHTd)

156 "152 Cui Bono? Is that Cher's other kid?

Posted by: joey biden at January 23, 2013 07:43 PM (ORGYc) "

:-)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 07:44 PM (eqgV8)

157
I think the creepy inbred episode is one of the best X-Files episodes.

I asked my 5th grade son when he got home today "can fire melt steel" his reply "of course it can, or if it isn't hot enough to melt it, fire can still make steel change properties so it can be bent or shaped." I felt immense relief that his public skool edukation hasn't trashed his common sense science yet.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at January 23, 2013 07:44 PM (RZ8pf)

158 153 Claudia Black is also the voice of the romantic-interest in the game "Uncharted 2".

Posted by: boulder hobo at January 23, 2013 07:43 PM (QTHTd)

She was in Mass Effect and Dragon Age.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 23, 2013 07:45 PM (bxiXv)

159 "154 The only place where I think I might find
truth-tellers is AoS, and frankly, I have begun to believe that most of
you are liars as well.

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 23, 2013 07:22 PM (Cnqmv)

ouch.
ok my name is not ette. happy now?

Posted by: ette at January 23, 2013 07:44 PM (nqBYe) "

Well, I for one suspected it all along.

(People's names usually start with a capital letter.)
(Elementary, my dear ette.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 07:46 PM (eqgV8)

160 /fanboi
Posted by: boulder hobo at January 23, 2013 07:44 PM (QTHTd)

You and me both. She's the one I want if I can only have one woman on a desert island.

Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 07:46 PM (OQpzc)

161 155 Oh, and Claudia Black gets killed too early in "Pitch Black" as well.

Posted by: boulder hobo at January 23, 2013 07:44 PM (QTHTd)

Someone, somewhere knows whether that was just so she could be in Farscape.

She was filming PB when she tried out for Farscape, and was instantly chosen for the role, at least according to the commentary.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 23, 2013 07:46 PM (bxiXv)

162 well darn it!

i should have known something so simple would be missed by one such as i!

Posted by: Ette at January 23, 2013 07:47 PM (nqBYe)

163 "162 well darn it!

i should have known something so simple would be missed by one such as i!

Posted by: Ette at January 23, 2013 07:47 PM (nqBYe) "

:-P

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 07:48 PM (eqgV8)

164 would have helped if i copied the comment.

sigh. blush
o Hi Mirror, with a capital M

Posted by: Ette at January 23, 2013 07:48 PM (nqBYe)

165 The quanty of the one overcame the quantity of the other. I'm gone.

Watch the bits flip. You will wind up w/ a number. Put the number where you desire in your scale.

Wventtally you wind up w/ total. Total will tell tell.

Quite.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 23, 2013 07:48 PM (QupBk)

166 "164 would have helped if i copied the comment.

sigh. blush
o Hi Mirror, with a capital M

Posted by: Ette at January 23, 2013 07:48 PM (nqBYe) "

That's alright. I can read your mind. :-P

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 07:49 PM (eqgV8)

167 "The JFK “truthers” were eventually vindicated" ?

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at January 23, 2013 07:49 PM (e8kgV)

168 129 (I liked The Lone Gunmen. Too bad that got canceled.)

---------

Indeed. And don't forget that the premiere episode, in early 2001, involved a plot to fly an airliner into the WTC...

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda has a tinfoil hat at January 23, 2013 07:50 PM (FzhYM)

169
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle
Apparently there's a teachers strike in your area. His edumucation will resume shortly.

Posted by: weirdflunky at January 23, 2013 07:50 PM (tlhtD)

170 Hrothgar is right we're all pretending , just look at those names!

Posted by: Ette at January 23, 2013 07:50 PM (nqBYe)

171 Okay, since we're being totally honest here for a change, I'll admit that Cruella is not really my sister.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 23, 2013 07:50 PM (C8mVl)

172 Mirror , omlord, it's messy in there watch your step!

Posted by: Ette at January 23, 2013 07:51 PM (nqBYe)

173 "168 129 (I liked The Lone Gunmen. Too bad that got canceled.)

---------

Indeed. And don't forget that the premiere episode, in early 2001, involved a plot to fly an airliner into the WTC...

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda has a tinfoil hat at January 23, 2013 07:50 PM (FzhYM) "

Heh.

What did FOX know, and when did it know it?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 07:51 PM (eqgV8)

174 Apropos of nothing, I'm gorged on some kind of Mexican dish with stringy steak wrapped in corn tortillas smothered in a spicy sauce, with three over-easy eggs dumped on top.

It tasted better than it sounds.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 23, 2013 07:52 PM (QupBk)

175
And I am not small, furry, and endowed with a bushy tail.

Just furry...

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 23, 2013 07:52 PM (4vofC)

176 "170 Hrothgar is right we're all pretending , just look at those names!

Posted by: Ette at January 23, 2013 07:50 PM (nqBYe) "

I'm the real deal, baby. :-P

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 07:52 PM (eqgV8)

177 Okay, since we're being totally honest here for a change, I'll admit that Cruella is not really my sister.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 23, 2013 07:50 PM (C8mVl)

rut roh, and you do not have any dalmatians around?

Posted by: Ette at January 23, 2013 07:52 PM (nqBYe)

178 Just furry...

Not grey?

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 23, 2013 07:53 PM (QupBk)

179 ParanoidGirlInSeattle@157,

So Salon actually isn't smarter than a 5th-Grader?

Sounds about right.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 23, 2013 07:53 PM (eHIJJ)

180 "172 Mirror , omlord, it's messy in there watch your step!

Posted by: Ette at January 23, 2013 07:51 PM (nqBYe) "

Messy? Or just dirty? :-P

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 07:53 PM (eqgV8)

181 ok my name is not ette. happy now?

Posted by: ette at January 23, 2013 07:44 PM (nqBYe)

The truth will out!

Posted by: Hrothgar's Cheap & Dirty Paving Company at January 23, 2013 07:53 PM (Cnqmv)

182 Notice that Grey Fox completely evaded the question of whether he is grey or not. Clintonesque trickery, if you ask me. Very, very suspicious.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 23, 2013 07:54 PM (C8mVl)

183 i'm srsly let down by your masks being ripped off.

Posted by: Ette at January 23, 2013 07:54 PM (nqBYe)

184 Holy fuck. I knew Salon was bad, but I just perused their collection of articles.

It's like a collection of comment section trolling.

I usually just roll my eyes at liberal sites, but holy hell, I was actually disgusted.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 23, 2013 07:54 PM (4c71i)

185 Not grey?Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 23, 2013 07:53 PM (QupBk)Some - I started getting grey around the temples at seventeen, though.

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 23, 2013 07:54 PM (4vofC)

186 Just furry...
Posted by: Grey Fox at January 23, 2013 07:52 PM (4vofC)

You know, pound for pound, squirrels are hung better than horses.

Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at January 23, 2013 07:54 PM (OQpzc)

187 Monday: Obama Says No More Name-Calling In Politics – Wednesday: Dem Senator Calls Republicans “Hostage-Takers”…

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 23, 2013 07:55 PM (jE38p)

188 I'm really Smith in WY

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 23, 2013 07:56 PM (8sCoq)

189 "183 i'm srsly let down by your masks being ripped off.

Posted by: Ette at January 23, 2013 07:54 PM (nqBYe) "

Well, that's not quite what you're thinking. :-P

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 07:56 PM (eqgV8)

190 Ok I obviously missed a teeny tiny detail somewhere. How exactly were the JFK truthers vindicated? Somebody help a natural born liar out here.

Posted by: weirdflunky at January 23, 2013 07:56 PM (tlhtD)

191 177 --- "...and you do not have any dalmatians around?"
Posted by: Ette at January 23, 2013 07:52 PM (nqBYe)

It depends on how you define the word "around"....or "not".....or "you."
What difference does it make???!!!!!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 23, 2013 07:56 PM (C8mVl)

192 Hrothgar'

, I am becoming as disillusioned as you.
now what!?

agree about being leary of information now.

unfortunately researching shit can just come up with more shit !

yikes.

i did want to ask is washington times usually accurate?

Posted by: Ette at January 23, 2013 07:56 PM (nqBYe)

193
Okay, since we're being totally honest here for a change, I'll admit that Cruella is not really my sister.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 23, 2013 07:50 PM (C8mVl)

===============
Don't forget your little bro!

Posted by: Poison Guitarist CC DeVille at January 23, 2013 07:56 PM (MPjT8)

194 Geez, I hate the formatting text box commenting on this quaint, archaic, smart, military blog. My C-64 was more flexible (IYKWIMAITYD).

I just lost a beautifully crafted intellectual politically astute paean to the incompetence of the republicans to Firefox as aided by Pixy.

Think I will get another beer.

Posted by: Hrothgar's Cheap & Dirty Paving Company at January 23, 2013 07:57 PM (Cnqmv)

195 In New Orleans, the bird may be the word.

The New Orleans Hornets are prepared to announce they are changing their name to the New Orleans Pelicans, effective for the 2013-14 season, according to a Yahoo! Sports report.

Pelicans?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 23, 2013 07:57 PM (jE38p)

196 It depends on how you define the word "around"....or "not".....or "you."

What difference does it make???!!!!!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille

gasp
faints after blood rushes to my head to figure it ut.

Posted by: Ette at January 23, 2013 07:57 PM (nqBYe)

197 You know, pound for pound, squirrels are hung better than horses.

One look at a male Wharf Rat and you can see their evolutionary strategy. The hairless one we had balls that made up a quarter of his mass.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 23, 2013 07:58 PM (QupBk)

198 >Ok I obviously missed a teeny tiny detail somewhere.
How exactly were the JFK truthers vindicated? Somebody help a natural
born liar out here.

Posted by: weirdflunky at January 23, 2013 07:56 PM (tlhtD)

the truth being one wannabe communist with mad bolt-action rifle skills killed JFK

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 23, 2013 07:58 PM (8sCoq)

199 I am not really Tobias to the 928th power.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 23, 2013 07:59 PM (QupBk)

200 messy, messy, and now that you brought up dirty.

well dmn it.

Posted by: Ette at January 23, 2013 08:00 PM (nqBYe)

201 i did want to ask is washington times usually accurate?

Posted by: Ette at January 23, 2013 07:56 PM (nqBYe)

How can one tell? What I read there always seems to me to be more in tune with what I think is happening; however, they may just have figured out how to pitch to the fringe right to sell papers.
I am convinced that they are at least 10 times more honest than the WaPo and NYT, FWIW!

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 23, 2013 08:00 PM (Cnqmv)

202
You know, pound for pound, squirrels are hung better than horses.

More so than the Japanese Raccoon-dog, aka Tanuki?

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 23, 2013 08:00 PM (4vofC)

203 toby, that's it.

slits my wrists.

Posted by: Ette at January 23, 2013 08:01 PM (nqBYe)

204 The JFK “truthers” were eventually vindicated

Does anyonethink that a majority of Salon readers, if not editors/writers, would dispute this? I think Walsh herself would give a qualified response.

Posted by: CJ at January 23, 2013 08:02 PM (9G+G5)

205 What I read there always seems to me to be more in
tune with what I think is happening; however, they may just have figured
out how to pitch to the fringe right to sell papers.
I am convinced that they are at least 10 times more honest than the WaPo and NYT, FWIW!

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 23, 2013 08:00 PM (Cnqmv)

whew. uh hmm, i had the same issue.is this article real. turned it over sniffed it. looked for typos and bad grammar.
yeah i hate it.

Posted by: Ette at January 23, 2013 08:02 PM (nqBYe)

206 Pelicans?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 23, 2013 07:57 PM (jE38p)
I think Homer wrote this:
"My favorite bird is the pelican.His beak can hold more than his belly can.But I don't know how the Hell it can!"

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 23, 2013 08:02 PM (Cnqmv)

207
@190Ok I obviously missed a teeny tiny detail somewhere. How exactly were the JFK truthers vindicated? Somebody help a natural born liar out here.
---------------------------------------------
I could be wrong, but I think it's basically "Becuz Oliver Stone sez so!"

RE: Lone Gunmen - Only saw a single episode. Thought it was a lot of fun, but my schedule didn't really allow it. Ironically, it's the one in which conspirators try and fly a fully-loaded passenger liner into the twin towers.

Posted by: junior at January 23, 2013 08:03 PM (UWFpX)

208 fcol, blood has to rush From my head.

nevermind

Posted by: Ette at January 23, 2013 08:03 PM (nqBYe)

209 Homer's web site let him have line feeds AND ampersands!

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 23, 2013 08:04 PM (Cnqmv)

210
Oh, yeah. And Claudia Black = hawtness. Also remember seeing her during her appearence in NCIS. IIRC, she accidently broke Tony Dinozo's nose during filming.
^^;;

Posted by: junior at January 23, 2013 08:05 PM (UWFpX)

211
I remember when I had that fender-bender back in the 70s with my Toyota Celica. I had to wait forever for the body shop to get the fender from the steel mines. They had to dig around until they found the right fender for my car.

If only there was some way that the fender could have been forged using heat of some kind. But we all know that fire can't be made hot enough to melt steel.

Posted by: Marmo at January 23, 2013 08:06 PM (pcgW1)

212 btw new post up

Posted by: Ette at January 23, 2013 08:06 PM (nqBYe)

213 Dedicated Farscape fans will also know that Claudia Black can do things with her tongue that make your knees weak.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 23, 2013 08:09 PM (bxiXv)

214
Another up-vote for The Lone Gunmen - it had a wistful, almost Buckaroo Banzai vibe to it at times that was a nice counterpoint to the relentless darkness of Scully and Mulder's grim pursuit of either the Monster of the Week or the latest iteration of the Syndicate.
But please, some love as well for Millennium - that show broke new ground in entertainment, touching on themes that prime-tine television had never dared to tackle, unafraid in its willingness to confront true evil and call it for what it was, with the whole brought to brilliant, evocative life through the acting chops of the underappreciated Lance Henriksen. If nothing else, think of the legacy - so much of current television is, in one way or another, doing riffs on what Millennium had already laid down.

Serious question, though - did anyone get a glimpse at enough of the entire article to see what, if anything, was cited as having "vindicated" the JFK Conspiracy nuts? Surely they're not just going on Cyril Wecht's "magic bullet" nonsense, are they?

Posted by: A. Pendragon at January 23, 2013 08:13 PM (wJliR)

215 jet fuel on fire isn't hot enough to melt steel.

but it will weaken it. significantly. this has been proven again and again but yet somehow the nuts want to play whack-a-mole.

Posted by: jd at January 23, 2013 08:35 PM (DGhcv)

216 207
RE:
Lone Gunmen - Only saw a single episode. Thought it was a lot of fun,
but my schedule didn't really allow it. Ironically, it's the one in
which conspirators try and fly a fully-loaded passenger liner into the
twin towers.

------------

NetFlix has it.

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda, impatiently twiddling his thumbs at January 23, 2013 08:40 PM (1c58W)

217 I am gonna reiterate.

As the steel is exposed to more heat its strength, integrity and structure degrade.

Blacksmiths have known this since the iron age.

Posted by: Holger at January 23, 2013 08:54 PM (MHk3m)

218 When I worked in a refinery way back when, we would always spray the support structures with "fire Proofing" insulation. Obviously we, the NFPA, and API, not to mention our industrial insurance company, were all fools.

Posted by: Jose Wales at January 23, 2013 08:54 PM (lPbS1)

219 Also...
Has anyone heard even one structural engineer or architect say that the building wouldn't come down in a big fire?

Rosie O'Donald, structural engineer. Yeah that's the ticket.

Posted by: Jose Wales at January 23, 2013 09:03 PM (lPbS1)

220 The excuse is in the "tell a big enough lie..." category.

Posted by: Anon at January 23, 2013 09:06 PM (f+fIu)

221 #217

As the steel is exposed to more heat its strength, integrity and structure degrade. Blacksmiths have known this since the iron age.

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You expect crazy morons to believe the laws of physics and principles of metallurgy?

Posted by: Anon at January 23, 2013 09:08 PM (f+fIu)

222 "How exactly were the JFK truthers vindicated? Somebody help a natural born liar out here."
Maybe they're talking about the Robert Kennedy Jr. thing from about aweek ago.
http://tinyurl.com/agv5vxeThat's the most recent thing that comes to mind. The only other one I remember was quite a few years ago was E. Howard Hunt and his supposed deathbed confession.

Posted by: NotAMoose at January 23, 2013 09:11 PM (ZZg4j)

223 How in the fuckety fucking fuck do you format anything here? Do you have to use HTML? Because, goddamn.

Posted by: NotAMoose at January 23, 2013 09:12 PM (ZZg4j)

224 #131

I'm still bummed Stargate got cancelled

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Don't you think O resembles Apophis? http://tinyurl.com/a7ss74n

Posted by: Anon at January 23, 2013 09:13 PM (f+fIu)

225 You ask any metallurgist, structural engineer or hell ask the people in the foundry, they will all say that 1000 Fahrenheit is when steel will fail.

Posted by: Holger at January 23, 2013 09:17 PM (MHk3m)

226 Attempting FreeRepublic-style formatting...How exactly were the JFK truthers vindicated? Somebody help a natural born liar out here."Maybe they're talking about the Robert Kennedy Jr. thing from about aweek ago. http://tinyurl.com/agv5vxe That's the most recent thing that comes to mind. The only other one I remember was the supposed deathbed confession of E. Howard Hunt.

Posted by: NotAMoose at January 23, 2013 09:17 PM (ZZg4j)

227 FUCK THIS THING I HATES IT.

Posted by: NotAMoose at January 23, 2013 09:18 PM (ZZg4j)

228 @218 Tower floor trusses were sprayed also. Not enough and where the planes impacted, that was probably knocked off the trusses. The fireproofing specification emerged from the Port Authority of NYNJ, but no basis for the spec was found, AFAIK.

Posted by: chuckR at January 23, 2013 09:23 PM (WE9pd)

229 Fire won't melt steel. It won't even melt this tin-foil hat that protects me from chem-trails. The science it settled.

Posted by: Mr. Brainiac, Salon Science Editor at January 23, 2013 09:29 PM (SzAZ7)

230 Global warming means warmer winters means less fossil fuel demand and less fossil fuels sold by energy companies.

Cui bono? Who in fact is really behind all this "global warming?"

Posted by: Some Bum at January 23, 2013 10:17 PM (qnMOL)

231 Salon? Oh, my wife went to one a couple weeks back. Her hair looks great.w

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at January 23, 2013 10:19 PM (n8LUb)

232 Walsh is the hackiest of hacks. And pretty stupid also. Token female hire who has failed upwards?

Posted by: Thea at January 23, 2013 11:17 PM (d4HWM)

233
Would it be more honest for Salon to just confess they don't have a "review process"?

Sssshhhhh! They're our betters, you know, and we should take them at their word.

Even if doing so would be an affront to their intelligence...

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at January 24, 2013 09:08 AM (1hM1d)

234
My favorite thing about the article is that it props itself up with supposed "fact" that the JFK conspiracy people were proven correct.
I love the JFK conspiracy stuff...but only because it shows everyone just EXACTLY WHY one must tread carefully when falling for conspiracy theories. The JFK assassination is an event in our history where a very clear majority of our country believed (and likely still believes) that it was a massive conspiracy that killed the President and then covered it up. Very few of the general public believed that it was the work of a lone gunman in a building.
AND THE GENERAL PUBLIC WAS WRONG. Numerous amounts of scholarly research has proven and reproven that Kennedy was in fact killed by Oswald and he did it all with that simple bolt action rifle in a building. What seemed to be a crazy explaination...turned out to be right. No conspiracy. No multiple shooters. Just one guy did it.
Its the reason you should always take conspiracy theories with a grain of salt. Incidentlally its why we on the right should be careful with the Benghazi stuff as well.
The whole premise of the article falls apart because it is propped up on a conspiracy theory that was a load of hysterical bunk that failed the test of science...just like the 9/11 truthers...just like the Sandy Hook truthers...just like the birthers.

Posted by: Chris at January 24, 2013 09:13 AM (kyeFg)

235 I think you're giving Salon a break that they don't deserve when you ask if they even bother to read the headline. Unless things have changed dramatically, headlines are usually not written by the person who writes an article or editorial, they're written by an editor working for the publication. Unless Salon just grabbed the whole piece - headline and all - from their "content partner" then someone on their staff had to have read the piece and understood the content well enough to summarize it in a headline.

Posted by: AndyN at January 24, 2013 09:49 AM (EuKk6)

236 Chris:

"The whole premise of the article falls apart because it is propped up on a conspiracy theory that was a load of hysterical bunk that failed the test of science...just like the 9/11 truthers...just like the Sandy Hook truthers...just like the birthers."

I'm still waiting for the science, or any evidence whatso-freakin' ever that Sandy Hook happened as told to us by the MFM.

I won't be holding my breath.

Posted by: JDR-Taq at January 24, 2013 10:05 AM (e7KZr)

237 The editors were paying attention, they just got their asses handed to them on the fact platter in public and now are spinning like a cantelope on a stick. Suddenly they weren't paying attention or their fact checkers were on an smoke break, or the dog ate it or SQUIRREL! Nevermind!

I keep getting this mental image of this woman holding a stainless steel spork, and desperately saying 'how did this happen???'

Posted by: tired at January 24, 2013 10:27 AM (adOUE)

238
JDR-Taq,
<sigh>
I have no doubt that the actual details of Sandy Hook will be different from the story that was reported as it happened...but it has to do with the journalists involved being bad at their jobs and shills for the left...not because of a conspiracy.

Posted by: Chris at January 24, 2013 11:53 AM (kyeFg)

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