Women Can Now Serve in Combat Roles*
*If They Want To

I don't know -- seems to be a curious sort of "equality." You're equal only if you volunteer to be.

There are a lot of issues here, and women's rights are just one of them. Another issue is whether humankind's inborn squeamishness about women suffering disfiguring or lethal trauma will cause problems in warfighting or decisionmaking about warfighting.

Of course we're squeamish about men suffering such horrific wounds, too. But one question that's always been open is "Would America be willing to fight any war if women started coming back scarred and maimed?"

Lot of big changes going on, including an end to the special exemption for some units if they said morale or readiness would suffer if they included openly-gay troops.

But at least we know the very best people are managing our military, people to whom the military and its history and its excellence have always been dear, people who themselves have a wealth of military experience themselves.

Socrates* talked up the Reign of the Philsopher Kings three** thousand years ago. Thank goodnesss that exalted age has finally arrived.


* Or Aristotle.

** Or four. Look, I don't know. What do you want from me? Three thousand, four thousand. If you care so much about Socrates, why don't you marry him already?

If you care so darned much, look it up.

That's how you learn things, looking it up. I'm really helping you to learn by not confirming these things myself. Oh, I could do what other people do, and spoonfeed you ever single verified fact.

But I run an Interactive blog. It's my job to make you think -- and also, to make you look up things yourself. I pepper my posts, quite deliberately, with what I call "little mysteries for my readers to solve."

Little mysteries like: Was it Aristotle or Socrates who said that, and further, who cares?

Or: How do you actually spell Sharyl Attkisson? I kind of give you a Multiple Choice test every time the name comes up, giving you four or five versions of the spelling, permitting you, the Engaged Reader, to select the spelling that makes the most sense to you.

Other bloggers don't have that level of respect for their readers. I alone do.

Like Michele Obama said, the age of you just being content to accept things is over. Michele Obama -- and I -- are hear to make you work.

Brave new world, baby. Brave new world.

Posted by: Ace at 05:58 PM



Comments

1 Women Can Now Serve in Combat Roles ... "What difference, at this point, does it make?"

Posted by: Hiliary Clinton at January 23, 2013 05:27 PM (e8kgV)

2 Stompy posts!

Posted by: rickb223 at January 23, 2013 05:28 PM (80/E+)

3 Fire can't melt steel. Google it!

Posted by: Andy at January 23, 2013 05:28 PM (C/NnJ)

4 Can we nominate some?

Posted by: Dastardly Dan at January 23, 2013 05:29 PM (2iVM3)

5 Mayhaps you mean Plato, sport?

Posted by: garrett at January 23, 2013 05:30 PM (2UPrF)

6
I hear that some women are quite excited with the idea that they can get killed in combat now.


Whatever floats yer boat, honey. I've learned not to question the desires of females.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 23, 2013 05:30 PM (1Y+hH)

7 PFC Jessica Lynch was not reached for comment.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 23, 2013 05:30 PM (e0xKF)

8 Just another move to destroy the military.

Posted by: Vic at January 23, 2013 05:30 PM (53z96)

9 I bet that Romulan women fight in combat.

Posted by: Al at January 23, 2013 05:30 PM (V70Uh)

10 Or as Bret Baier would say, if you can tweet it, you can google it"

Posted by: unf-ing-beleivable at January 23, 2013 05:30 PM (EXsuU)

11 Also another violation of law by executive fiat.

Posted by: Vic at January 23, 2013 05:31 PM (53z96)

12 Oh. And they wear dresses like Michelle's.

Posted by: Al at January 23, 2013 05:31 PM (V70Uh)

13 It's true. Women do make the best waitstaff.

Posted by: garrett at January 23, 2013 05:31 PM (2UPrF)

14 This female Marine Capt. not a fan of women in combat:

http://tinyurl.com/atle8af

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 23, 2013 05:32 PM (UOM48)

15 Like Michele Obama said, the age of you just being content to accept things is over. Michele Obama -- and I -- are hear to make you work.

I was explicitly told that there'd be no work for this EBT card.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 23, 2013 05:32 PM (80/E+)

16 Are women real? Look it up.

Posted by: Soona at January 23, 2013 05:32 PM (U9S0G)

17 >>>Mayhaps you mean Plato, sport?

ah you caught that huh? Well-played. You won the Mystery.

Posted by: ace at January 23, 2013 05:32 PM (LCRYB)

18 9 I bet that Romulan women fight in combat.
Posted by: Al at January 23, 2013 05:30 PM (V70Uh)

FLOTUS typically doesn't actively serve in the military while her husband is President.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at January 23, 2013 05:32 PM (FsUAO)

19 I've been told--so second hand--that Russian soldiers behave differently and will refuse to retreat--even when they need to--if a female soldier is wounded on the front lines.

So--the behavior changes and endangers everyone.

Sounds pretty damn plausible to me.

Posted by: tasker at January 23, 2013 05:33 PM (r2PLg)

20 We have to work on this blog? I thought we did on the Obama erotic novel thread yesterday.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 23, 2013 05:33 PM (UOM48)

21 14 This female Marine Capt. not a fan of women in combat:http://tinyurl.com/atle8af
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 23, 2013 05:32 PM (UOM4
>>>>>>> Want 'em all to yourself, eh?

Posted by: General Delivery at January 23, 2013 05:33 PM (nCwW1)

22 They can carry the Tampons onto the battle field...

Posted by: American Dawg at January 23, 2013 05:33 PM (trA4n)

23 Confucius said to call things by their correct name is the beginning of wisdon...or something like that, heh

Posted by: The Jackhole at January 23, 2013 05:33 PM (nTgAI)

24 And I'm sure it would end well if one of these front-line female combat troops were captured by the Taliban et al. Sure.

But as Hillary says, "What difference does it make." So whatever.

Posted by: Stu-22 at January 23, 2013 05:34 PM (k4bdL)

25 Like Michele Obama said

"you gonna use that arm, or what? Cause I'm hungry like a mofo".

Posted by: pep at January 23, 2013 05:34 PM (6TB1Z)

26 This is a wretched idea. Let's set aside for now the facts of women simply not having the same upper body strength of men; their mere presence is going to force combat commanders to make all sorts of unpleasant decisions. Are men and women going to share foxholes? What about coed tank crews? And when faced with a wounded woman, most men are going to go far beyond what is tactically sound to tend to them, myself included.

Congrats, feminists, you're going to get a lot more men AND women killed because of this bullshit.

Posted by: UGAdawg at January 23, 2013 05:34 PM (WYOrt)

27 22 They can carry the Tampons onto the battle field...
Posted by: American Dawg at January 23, 2013 05:33 PM (trA4n)
>>>>>>>
Liberals are so sexist.

Posted by: General Delivery at January 23, 2013 05:34 PM (nCwW1)

28 Of course we're squeamish about men suffering such horrific wounds, too. But one question that's always been open is "Would America be willing to fight any war if women started coming back scarred and maimed?"

No, and that's why we're doin it. To complete the transformation of our military from a fighting force to a jobs and diversity program.

Posted by: Truman North, now at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 05:34 PM (I2LwF)

29 Lost in the ether

Posted by: pep at January 23, 2013 05:34 PM (6TB1Z)

30 As a combat veteran, we will regret this. Just have to LOL.

Posted by: Andrew at January 23, 2013 05:34 PM (HS3dy)

31 I thought it was Confucius

Posted by: kathysaysso at January 23, 2013 05:35 PM (6H6o8)

32 Seriously, why the fuck would anyone sign up today with Obama and his peeps running things.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 23, 2013 05:35 PM (HDgX3)

33 "little mysteries for my readers to solve."

_______________

At least you solved that one burning question in comments--

you have not been penetrated by a man.

I think it's time your doctor gave you a good prostate exam.

Then--the colonoscopy.

Posted by: tasker at January 23, 2013 05:35 PM (r2PLg)

34 30 per cent of senior officers are expelled for sexual misconduct. It is not that the military is less moral than it used to be, its that there are more women in it.

It is unrealistic to pretend to take people, put them in high stress situations, away from family and spouses for extended periods of time, and expect them not to ever have sex. See David Petraeus and a host of others.

The first Navy ships to have women on them experienced a huge pregnancy rate, to the point that it hampered operations. Out of wedlock births in the military have skyrocketed. This is not an equality problem, it is a potentially huge readiness problem.

Most women do not want the combat roles, and serve in support positions. I would be less concerned about a man rushing to protect a woman, than I would be about a woman being able to "have his back" should the wet-ass hour come. Its like the female firefighter, she has to be able to carry the gear and a comrade of necessary. I pray to G-d they do not lower standards to to this, but I know they will.

The new Air Force ad being broadcast appeals only to women. I am an AF vet, and a woman. This is a bad idea

Posted by: thunderb at January 23, 2013 05:35 PM (Dnbau)

35
Yup, that is Plato, who wrote dialogues in which Socrates is the main philosophicalcharacter, about 2,400 to 2,300 years ago.
Plato is my guy,and I would marry him for his mind and hismoney (he was born into a wealthy aristocratic family), but he did not approve ofhomosexuality, even ifhe was a bitgay.
PS- Philosopher-Kings are awesome, Obama is not one of them, and theywill never exist.

Posted by: D B at January 23, 2013 05:35 PM (mSFuM)

36 Actually a Good use for women in battle is to strip them to their undies , send them running across the field and when they have the full attention of the enemy , thats when the guys go in and wack 'em...

Posted by: American Dawg at January 23, 2013 05:36 PM (trA4n)

37 Winston Churchhill once said, "If those flapjacks aren't the way I like 'em, I'm going to kick your ass, bitch". It's true.

Posted by: Soona at January 23, 2013 05:36 PM (U9S0G)

38 That's why we got to have this gut-shot foam. 'Cause you're going to need three hours for the bull-dyke in your unit to carry you 200 yards.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 23, 2013 05:36 PM (imtbm)

39 Aristotle said that a "Citizen" was someone born to citizen parents.


"
Who is the citizen, and what is the meaning of the term?"




"...Leaving
out of consideration those who have been made citizens, or who have
obtained the name of citizen any other accidental manner, we may say,
first, that a citizen is not a citizen because he lives in a certain
place, for resident aliens and slaves share in the place;"




"...But
the citizen whom we are seeking to define is a citizen in the strictest
sense, against whom no such exception can be taken, and his special
characteristic is that he shares in the administration of justice, and
in offices."




"...a citizen is defined to be one of whom both the parents are citizens;"





http://preview.tinyurl.com/azyyz5m

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 23, 2013 05:37 PM (bb5+k)

40
this is just the in-between step before they allow trannies in the military

Posted by: soothsayer at January 23, 2013 05:38 PM (yhYn1)

41 Obunghole is a SCOAMF or something.

Posted by: Moron Labe! at January 23, 2013 05:38 PM (dYf+Z)

42 Unless we don't have enough men to do the fighting, women should not be in combat roles.

Posted by: polynikes at January 23, 2013 05:39 PM (m2CN7)

43
If you care so much about Socrates, why don't you marry him already?

By all means, marry. If you find a good wife, you'll be happy. If you don't, you'll become a philosopher.

-- [i}Stuff Socrates Said Volume 1

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at January 23, 2013 05:40 PM (1hM1d)

44 Unless there are not enough men to do the fighting, women should not be in any combat roles.

Posted by: polynikes at January 23, 2013 05:41 PM (m2CN7)

45 Damn, I'm stuck in the 30-minute moratorium.

Posted by: t-bird at January 23, 2013 05:42 PM (FcR7P)

46 And remember, gays and lesbians only wanted to do their duty and serve their country quietly, with no special recognition.




http://tinyurl.com/bfyfltf

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 23, 2013 05:43 PM (4c71i)

47 Please stand by

Posted by: Eaton Cox at January 23, 2013 05:49 PM (q177U)

48 Hunch? Where'd the comments go?

Posted by: speedster1 at January 23, 2013 05:50 PM (yeM7r)

49 after a quick look, this seems like sexism against males. how many males can choose not to go to front lines? my guess is zero.

Posted by: obamuh at January 23, 2013 05:59 PM (rNS5g)

50 ...and we're back.

Posted by: Cosmo Kramer at January 23, 2013 05:59 PM (oGpSX)

51 Actually, I didn't really say much of anything. Plato made all that shit up.

Fucking Plato.

Posted by: Socrates at January 23, 2013 06:00 PM (QKKT0)

52
You can't spell vanguard without vagina.

Posted by: garrett at January 23, 2013 06:01 PM (oGpSX)

53 And I'm sure it would end well if one of these front-line female combat troops were captured by the Taliban et al. Sure.

Probably no different than when the front-line gay combat troops get captured by the Taliban et al.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ #NukeIowaCity at January 23, 2013 06:01 PM (ZKzrr)

54 Just a couple minutes ago, presidential advisor Valerie Jarrett, who is
personally close to President Barack Obama, tweeted, that "If there's
one thing we should all agree on, it's protecting women from violence."




Bwahahahahaha! She tweeted this about the time Paneta was making the announcement about letting wimmins serve in combat.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 23, 2013 06:01 PM (UOM48)

55 Fundamental transformative presidency.

This dick cheese is going to get his fucking mug on Mt. Rushmore.

Posted by: Eaton Cox at January 23, 2013 06:02 PM (q177U)

56 Aristotle was to Socrates as Madison was to Jefferson


said it first, and better

Posted by: sierra five at January 23, 2013 06:02 PM (Dll6b)

57 Kiteo, his eyes closed.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at January 23, 2013 06:02 PM (sftcY)

58 With a platoon of Rachel Maddows I could rule the world.

Posted by: Julius Caesar at January 23, 2013 06:02 PM (QKKT0)

59 Women would come in very handy if you needed a cat fight to distract the enemy while you snuck up behind them, but otherwise, I'm thinking no.


I say this as a woman, and I know the species.


If I can't wear stompy boots to do the job, I ain't a goin'.

Posted by: tcn at January 23, 2013 06:03 PM (VLG62)

60 This dick cheese is going to get his fucking mug on Mt. Rushmore.



He'll have his ears and mole chiseled onto Lincoln's face.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 23, 2013 06:03 PM (UOM48)

61
Back in the initial Afghanistan battles our special forces got the stupid Taliban to stick their heads out by questioning their manhood. Then they plinked them off.
I'd love to have our front line women do that to the Jihadis.
"Hey dickless! Let's see what you got."

Posted by: Roy at January 23, 2013 06:03 PM (tiOTz)

62 Absurd. But, whatever.

Posted by: huerfano at January 23, 2013 06:04 PM (bAGA/)

63 58
With a platoon of Rachel Maddows I could rule the world.


Posted by: Julius Caesar at January 23, 2013 06:02 PM (QKKT0)

Pretty damned convenient when the enemy screams and runs away.

Posted by: tcn at January 23, 2013 06:04 PM (VLG62)

64 This is bad.

The problem here is the men. They are not going to continue to do their jobs while a woman is wounded and screaming for help.

I can see a woman piloting a jet fighter ... but putting one in a front line infantry unit is not going to work well, unless the majority of the people in the unit are women.

Ain't their fault.

Posted by: Kristophr at January 23, 2013 06:04 PM (wYVte)

65 What nail polish color goes best with amphibious landings?

Posted by: G.I. Jane at January 23, 2013 06:04 PM (QKKT0)

66 Bring it

Posted by: Seven of Nine at January 23, 2013 06:05 PM (tdaam)

67
Rommel - you magnificent bastard.
I read your article in Redbook!

Posted by: General Mrs. Patton at January 23, 2013 06:05 PM (/IUiM)

68 SMOD dammit!

My epic poem was lost in the last post.

Posted by: The Hobo Wears Prada at January 23, 2013 06:05 PM (Z5BDI)

69 "Hey dickless! Let's see what you got."



Imagine an army of Kate Uptons confronting the Tolleebon. Bikini-clad, of course.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 23, 2013 06:05 PM (UOM48)

70 so I guess the jihadis will soon be posting youtube videos of captured American servicewomen being gang-raped


Thanks, NOW!

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 23, 2013 06:05 PM (8sCoq)

71 Somebody get me a four loko hemlock on the rocks

Posted by: socrates at January 23, 2013 06:05 PM (KCCgc)

72 The first Navy ships to have women on them experienced a huge pregnancy rate, to the point that it hampered operations.

I suppose you can't staff a ship with just women and gay men. You'd solve that problem, but nothing would ever get done because they'd spend all their time doing each other's hair.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ #NukeIowaCity at January 23, 2013 06:05 PM (ZKzrr)

73
Yeah, Jarrett's tweet about passing some bill about violence toward women. What's that about?
To be fair, will it count for anyone who identifies in any regard as a woman?
Why don't we just come out and say that any crime is a hate crime unless the victim is a white male.

Posted by: Justamom of the LiB camp at January 23, 2013 06:06 PM (Sptt8)

74 In connection with today's historic announcement, I'm proud to announce the opening of the Army Advanced Bitchslap Combat Tactics School.

Posted by: Leon Panetta at January 23, 2013 06:06 PM (QKKT0)

75 In a related announcement =

Paramount green-lighted a remake of 'Courage Under Fire' with Denzel playing Denzel with Amy Adams playing the helicopter pilot.

Only this time she'll be flying a Cobra gunship.

Blowin' shit up. an' shit.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 23, 2013 06:06 PM (RuUvx)

76 Now the purple hearts will come embroidered

Posted by: Eaton Cox at January 23, 2013 06:06 PM (q177U)

77 "If they choose", how the hell do you administer that? Didn't the Marines have a "lioness unit", I guess you can have a couple of all-female units.

Posted by: Jean at January 23, 2013 06:06 PM (VHfsw)

78 I volunteer my ex-wife for mine clearing duty.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 23, 2013 06:06 PM (Ec6wH)

79 Well, the straight guys in combat need something to fuck also.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at January 23, 2013 06:06 PM (SzAZ7)

80 You'd solve that problem, but nothing would ever get done because they'd spend all their time doing each other's hair.


Posted by: HeatherRadish™ #NukeIowaCity at January 23, 2013 06:05 PM (ZKzrr)

Not to mention trading clothes and modeling them for critique.

Posted by: tcn at January 23, 2013 06:07 PM (VLG62)

81 "When in doubt, whip it out"

--Socrates

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 23, 2013 06:07 PM (+lsX1)

82 Or: How do you actually spell Sharyl Attkisson?

------------

I dunno, but I bet Christine O'Donnell could spell her up real good.

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at January 23, 2013 06:07 PM (NmR1a)

83 Like Michele Obama said

A Michelle of locusts.

Posted by: t-bird at January 23, 2013 06:07 PM (FcR7P)

84 Thank the Lord.

Posted by: An Afghanistan Goat at January 23, 2013 06:07 PM (QKKT0)

85 Uh, hello, I ran an interactive blog too, you know.

Posted by: Plato's Closet at January 23, 2013 06:07 PM (+kznc)

86 My dad spins in his grave.

Hell, he's been spinning so hard since the Marxist was elected, he's probably half-way to China by now.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 23, 2013 06:07 PM (UOM48)

87 With a platoon of Rachel Maddows I could rule the world.




Posted by: Julius Caesar at January 23, 2013 06:02 PM (QKKT0)

Pretty damned convenient when the enemy screams and runs away.


A platoon of Helen Thomases would be even better.

Posted by: Basement Cat at January 23, 2013 06:07 PM (mRPM8)

88 "The bigger the cushion, the better the pushin'"

--Cicero

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 23, 2013 06:07 PM (+lsX1)

89 Ace,

Just say "long ago, in a galaxy far far away" and attribute it to Yoda.

Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at January 23, 2013 06:08 PM (BvTwT)

90 But are they more inclined to fire on conservative Americans?

Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 23, 2013 06:08 PM (sHqf1)

91 And I'll bet they alter the minimum PT requirements to admit women into those roles.

Which is bullcrap, of course.

Posted by: Kristophr at January 23, 2013 06:08 PM (wYVte)

92 Oh, I get to do my Aristotle post again.



Aristotle said a "Citizen" was someone born to Citizen Parents.




"Who is the citizen, and what is the meaning of the term?"




"...Leaving
out of consideration those who have been made citizens, or who have
obtained the name of citizen any other accidental manner, we may say,
first, that a citizen is not a citizen because he lives in a certain
place, for resident aliens and slaves share in the place;"




"...But
the citizen whom we are seeking to define is a citizen in the strictest
sense, against whom no such exception can be taken, and his special
characteristic is that he shares in the administration of justice, and
in offices."




"...a citizen is defined to be one of whom both the parents are citizens;"




Link to Aristotle Book Three.


http://preview.tinyurl.com/azyyz5m




The founders probably never heard of Aristotle.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 23, 2013 06:08 PM (bb5+k)

93 But remember, gays and lesbians just wanted the chance to do their duty and serve their country without special recognition.




http://tinyurl.com/bfyfltf

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 23, 2013 06:08 PM (4c71i)

94 Once a month the Platoon will more deadly than a ranger bat.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at January 23, 2013 06:08 PM (SzAZ7)

95 Now the gays won't be the only ones getting laid.

Posted by: Eaton Cox at January 23, 2013 06:09 PM (q177U)

96 "He went to take a shit and the hogs ate him."

--Cincinnatus

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 23, 2013 06:09 PM (+lsX1)

97 So who is this Cheryl Asskissin chick?

Posted by: tcn at January 23, 2013 06:09 PM (VLG62)

98
Combat?

But, I don't a have a thing to wear!

Posted by: Female Soldier at January 23, 2013 06:09 PM (/IUiM)

99 32Seriously, why the fuck would anyone sign up today with Obama and his peeps running things.
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 23, 2013 05:35 PM (HDgX3)90But are they more inclined to fire on conservative Americans?Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 23, 2013 06:08 PM (sHqf1)

Posted by: Do the math at January 23, 2013 06:09 PM (sHqf1)

100 fine by me. Only like 5 will apply

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 23, 2013 06:09 PM (FKQng)

101 "If there's
one thing we should all agree on, it's protecting women from violence." If by we, she is referring to the NRAs efforts to arm women, ok.

Posted by: Jean at January 23, 2013 06:09 PM (VHfsw)

102 Had Pannetta announced this before the election, it might have been more important to women than birth control and binders.




Just sayin.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 23, 2013 06:09 PM (bb5+k)

103 Who cares? We can't afford to use the military anymore. Nation building will break us.

Just keep the uniforms pretty, and the average prole will think the army is invincible.

Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 06:09 PM (OQpzc)

104 91
And I'll bet they alter the minimum PT requirements to admit women into those roles.

Which is bullcrap, of course.




And how many men will risk their lives helping a woman who falls behind or can't handle her pack as long?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 23, 2013 06:09 PM (UOM48)

105 They neglect to mention that our "front lines" now include an airconditioned building in North Dakota with drone monitors.

Posted by: Roy at January 23, 2013 06:09 PM (tiOTz)

106 just to remind everybody

Dr. Ruth was a sniper for the precursor to the Israeli Defense Force in the Way Back.

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Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 23, 2013 06:10 PM (RuUvx)

107 Great idea, the military needs combat cooks.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 23, 2013 06:10 PM (4cRnj)

108 Sometimes the truth is in the middle. Socrates or Aristotle? Let's say Plato.

And sometimes it isn't. 3.5 thousand years isn't really more right than 3 thousand years. :-P

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 06:10 PM (eqgV8)

109 WWII Soviet sniper Lyudmila Mykhailivna Pavlichenko was credited with 309 kills. When I attended XVIII Airborne Corps Recondo School, the class prior to mine had its first female graduate, and that was nearly 30 years ago. It was a tough course: of the 150 who started out in my class, 36 of us graduated. I'm told they made no special accommodations for her other than her own separate sleeping area while we were still training in-camp. Out in the field, she was treated like any other dirtbag Recondo wannabe.So yes, there are female warriors out there capable of handling the rigors of combat and combat training.

That said, I guarantee a great many unnecessary deaths as the result of this decision.

Posted by: troyriser at January 23, 2013 06:11 PM (vtiE6)

110 "Earth is the world's largest paperweight."

-- Marcus Aurelius

Posted by: Dr. Varno at January 23, 2013 06:11 PM (sftcY)

111 Socrates -- Plato's Republic, about 2,500 years ago.

So they're still unequal, but it's an "okay" kind of inequality?

Posted by: 29Victor at January 23, 2013 06:11 PM (ES9R7)

112 If women do go into combat units, how many of them will get pregnant to get out of going into combat?

This is nothing but an officer ticket-punching ploy.

It's been played over and over by ambitious men on their quest to the Pentagon.

Posted by: Soona at January 23, 2013 06:11 PM (U9S0G)

113 "And I'll bet they alter the minimum PT requirements to admit women into those roles."



They need to alter the fucking PT requirements to match the same as men even in non-combat roles.



You want to push the fantasy that there's no difference between men and women? Fine, quit padding the lower enlisted female's promotion scores by giving them physical requirements that are a fucking cakewalk.



Idiots.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 23, 2013 06:11 PM (4c71i)

114 106
just to remind everybody



Dr. Ruth was a sniper for the precursor to the Israeli Defense Force in the Way Back.



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Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 23, 2013 06:10 PM (RuUvx)


Right, and that worked out just peachy. Now she tells men how to find the G spot. Great.

Posted by: tcn at January 23, 2013 06:11 PM (VLG62)

115 Our son said he served with a tough-as-hell lesbian in A-Stan. Said she was as tough or tougher than some of the guys. He respected (and feared) the hell out of her.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 23, 2013 06:11 PM (UOM48)

116 You mean the Tolleebon een Pokeeston? They'd probably put down their weapons and pick up their guns cuz one I for fighting the other for...well you know

Posted by: Woody Herman at January 23, 2013 06:12 PM (RZvso)

117 Plenty of soldiers could share my fux hole.

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at January 23, 2013 06:12 PM (qELQP)

118 And how many men will risk their lives helping a woman who falls behind or can't handle her pack as long?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 23, 2013 06:09 PM (UOM4

Not me.

Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 06:12 PM (OQpzc)

119 Shari Atkinson close enuff for me.



Michele Obama -- and I -- are hear to make you work.

well i hear you will be here soon, together with bells on and stuff

Posted by: ette at January 23, 2013 06:12 PM (nqBYe)

120 Okay,so they can volunteer in.What happens when they can't hack it?Simply volunteer back out,in the middle of a firefight perhaps?

Posted by: steevy at January 23, 2013 06:12 PM (9XBK2)

121 Now, for the other thing:

What that's certainly going to result in is quite a few dead young men. Dead young White men. Because male psychology is what it is. And Progress. And Fuck You.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 06:12 PM (eqgV8)

122 Jane: The big killer will be the ability to do lots of pull ups and to hump very heavy loads and use very heavy equipment.

I cannot see a group of women horsing around a four duece mortar, period.

Stamina isn't a problem, as the women and outrun men easily over a long distance. The Ironman competitions were separated into divisions by sex in order to allow men to win once in a while.

Posted by: Kristophr at January 23, 2013 06:12 PM (wYVte)

123 Fox is showing the interview with the female Marine Capt. talking about how her body broke down trying to keep up with her male counterparts.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 23, 2013 06:13 PM (UOM48)

124 For the record, and I posted this before. When women come into FOB ( forward operating bases) medical facilities with massive casualties, the staff does react differently than to men. Maybe it's because they do not see it as much as with men or a natural reaction, I don't know, but it does exist and no legislation is gonna change that.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 23, 2013 06:13 PM (jE38p)

125 Our son said he served with a tough-as-hell lesbian in A-Stan. Said she
was as tough or tougher than some of the guys. He respected (and feared)
the hell out of her.


Did he get her name? It wasn't Alex, perchance?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 23, 2013 06:13 PM (QKKT0)

126 So does this mean that all goils now must register with Selective Service upon reaching 18? (Or did that already happen and I slept through it?)

If so, Congrats to the aforesaid goils, who likely also voted for TFG.

Posted by: Snuffy Smith at January 23, 2013 06:13 PM (+kznc)

127 Our son said he served with a tough-as-hell lesbian in A-Stan. Said she was as tough or tougher than some of the guys. He respected (and feared) the hell out of her.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 23, 2013 06:11 PM (UOM4


Had to be the mullet

Posted by: Sandra Fluke at January 23, 2013 06:13 PM (qELQP)

128 "If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle."

--Descartes

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 23, 2013 06:13 PM (+lsX1)

129 crap

Posted by: Opus An Arcus at January 23, 2013 06:13 PM (qELQP)

130 Snipers aren't on the front lines, though. Any sergeant putting a sniper in the front lines is an idiot or else deliberately trying to kill him / her, King David style.

And, no, this isn't about putting the best soldiers into the best roles. This is about making the army more politically-correct and, therefore, weakening it.

Posted by: boulder hobo at January 23, 2013 06:13 PM (QTHTd)

131 "120 Okay,so they can volunteer in.What happens when they can't hack it?Simply volunteer back out,in the middle of a firefight perhaps?

Posted by: steevy at January 23, 2013 06:12 PM (9XBK2) "

Take their tops off.


A good idea in any situation.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 06:13 PM (eqgV8)

132 Will women's assault weapons come equipped with a battle-ready vagina accessory?

Posted by: Fritz at January 23, 2013 06:13 PM (w3+gB)

133 I guess if a Woman wants to go into combat that's her choice.However she better be ready to be used as a hostage because that is exactly what will happen when the enemy gets a hold of her....

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at January 23, 2013 06:14 PM (9+ccr)

134
I saw a documentary on this once. It was called Army Brat.
Jamie Summers was in it.

Posted by: garrett at January 23, 2013 06:14 PM (/IUiM)

135 Oh yeah, Socrates. Directed Taxi Driver, right?

Posted by: The Mega Independent at January 23, 2013 06:14 PM (46pA5)

136 LOL.

R e s p e c t
Find out what it means to me!

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 23, 2013 06:14 PM (5H6zj)

137 Is Dr. Ruth still alive? Should I add her to my Dead Pool?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 23, 2013 06:15 PM (UOM48)

138 115
Our son said he served with a tough-as-hell lesbian in A-Stan. Said she
was as tough or tougher than some of the guys. He respected (and feared)
the hell out of her.



Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 23, 2013 06:11 PM (UOM4

I know a few "ladies" who could certainly do the dirty and hard work. I believe they prefer to be called "bull dykes" and most of them ride Harleys.
I don't think those are the "ladies" we would object to in the line of fire.

Posted by: tcn at January 23, 2013 06:15 PM (VLG62)

139 "If we allow women to fight, bitches will get stitches"

---Kant

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 23, 2013 06:15 PM (4cRnj)

140 >>>Little mysteries like: Was it Aristotle or Socrates who said that, and further, who cares?

It was* Socrates. The reason why it matters is because Aristotle disagreed with him a whole bunch and wrote treatises Ethics and Politics to demonstrate another line of thinking that doesn't include assuming humans can or should be ants. If one were to assume Aristotle promoted the Philosopher Kings, one might discount further study of Aristotle's political ideas and never know about the concept of the "good" government he proposed: the "Constitutional Republic" based on an armed Citizenry of moral upstanding people.


(Attributed to, it appears in print in Plato's Republic, and could very well be a whole cloth manufacture of Plato's no way to tell)

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 23, 2013 06:15 PM (0q2P7)

141 Are the guys gonna get to grow their hair out to femal length?

Will any double standards fall? Will we get more as women drop out with stress fractures? Stay tuned.

Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 06:15 PM (OQpzc)

142 Bumperstickerist and troyriser:

Sniper is a role that women do better at than men. they shoot as well as men, and 5/9ths of them have that fourth set of cones in their retina, and can spot artificial camouflage instantly.


Posted by: Kristophr at January 23, 2013 06:15 PM (wYVte)

143 This is more for show than anything. Most women have no intention of volunteering for front line infantry units and, even if they do, most are not passing the courses necessary to qualify.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 23, 2013 06:15 PM (jE38p)

144 Israel's women in combat experiment was a failure.Women have functioned as snipers with some success.

Posted by: steevy at January 23, 2013 06:15 PM (9XBK2)

145 SMOD who art in space
please come down and smack my face.

- Zeno on the painted porch.

Posted by: The Hobo Wears Prada at January 23, 2013 06:16 PM (Z5BDI)

146 "War is truly an ugly business when women must fight." - C.S. Lewis

Posted by: Sgt. York at January 23, 2013 06:16 PM (FqBlL)

147 Jane: and what broke her down was trying to carry as much shit as the men in the company.

Posted by: Kristophr at January 23, 2013 06:17 PM (wYVte)

148 "Stamina isn't a problem, as the women and outrun men easily over a long distance. The Ironman competitions were separated into divisions by sex in order to allow men to win once in a while.
Posted by: Kristophr at January 23, 2013 06:12 PM (wYVte)"




Is that why women hold all the short, middle, and long distance running records?



Sorry dude, but in 20 years in the Marine Corps, I never once saw a woman outperform a man in any running event. Period.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 23, 2013 06:17 PM (4c71i)

149 What is green on the outside and pink on the inside?

A US Combat Infantryperson.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at January 23, 2013 06:17 PM (SzAZ7)

150 72
The first Navy ships to have women on them experienced a huge pregnancy rate, to the point that it hampered operations.

I
suppose you can't staff a ship with just women and gay men. You'd solve
that problem, but nothing would ever get done because they'd spend all
their time doing each other's hair.

That would be rum, sodomy, and long lashes?

Another problem: What happens to our prisoners, when they're in the hands of our troupettes? Kipling wrote about about this:

When the early Jesuit fathers preached to Hurons and Choctaws,

They prayed to be delivered from the vengeance of the squaws.

'Twas the women, not the warriors, turned those stark enthusiasts pale.

For the female of the species is more deadly than the male.



BTW, Socrates died in 399 BC. Didn't have to look it up.

Posted by: George LeS at January 23, 2013 06:17 PM (C4s3i)

151 Whats next Pro Football ?

Posted by: American Dawg at January 23, 2013 06:17 PM (trA4n)

152
I guess if a Woman wants to go into combat that's her choice.However she
better be ready to be used as a hostage because that is exactly what
will happen when the enemy gets a hold of her....


Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at January 23, 2013 06:14 PM (9+ccr)

As well as entertainment AND propaganda.

It is my understanding that the Mensheveks fielded a battalion of Women Soldiers against the Bolesheveks. It did not work out well.




Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 23, 2013 06:17 PM (bb5+k)

153 "A diamond is forever."

--Brit Hume

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 23, 2013 06:18 PM (+lsX1)

154 Does this foxhole make my ass look fat?

Posted by: Fritz at January 23, 2013 06:18 PM (w3+gB)

155 The body counts will climb, but it's okay, because the media won't be as interested in talking about it as they used to be.

Posted by: digitalbrownshirt at January 23, 2013 06:18 PM (G1aEt)

156 >>>I pepper my posts, quite deliberately, with what I call "little mysteries for my readers to solve.

And maybe, someday, some intrepid reader will actually read those posts and notice those mysteries.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 23, 2013 06:18 PM (0q2P7)

157 Being a Roman emperor is fucking awesome.

- That Stoic Roman Dude Who Says Don't worry be happy.

Posted by: The Hobo Wears Prada at January 23, 2013 06:18 PM (Z5BDI)

158 <<"If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle."

--Descartes>>

"If my grandmother had wheels she'd be a wagon" - Scotty

Posted by: Sgt. York at January 23, 2013 06:18 PM (FqBlL)

159 How much crap was being carried, Burn the Witch?

That is what knocks women out of this.

Posted by: Kristophr at January 23, 2013 06:18 PM (wYVte)

160 Whats next Pro Football ?
Posted by: American Dawg at January 23, 2013 06:17 PM (trA4n)

With all the new rules now a days, they are a bunch of pussies anyway

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 23, 2013 06:19 PM (jE38p)

161 I saw Michelle Rodriguez kick alien ass, and that's good enough for me!

Posted by: Leon at January 23, 2013 06:19 PM (sHqf1)

162 Will Obama's Administration let women carry those scary guns into combat?

Posted by: Roy at January 23, 2013 06:19 PM (tiOTz)

163 "I hates women"

---Ace

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 23, 2013 06:19 PM (4cRnj)

164 Well, if a female troop is killed, and happens to be pregnant, the left will celebrate the death of the fetus.

(Jeeez, I've been studying liberals too long...)

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 23, 2013 06:19 PM (UOM48)

165 Women can now serve? Sexist pig.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at January 23, 2013 06:19 PM (46pA5)

166 Languid Hillary finds beauty, that delicate pinch of feminine spice with which she oftens flavours her interludes.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at January 23, 2013 06:20 PM (sftcY)

167 When the nights are chilly and the rain is endless, there'll be wet tshirt contests. Mark my word.

Posted by: Soona at January 23, 2013 06:20 PM (U9S0G)

168
"When women fight, there will be a pulling of hair accompanied with screeching, writhing and much foul talk."

Sun Tzu -"The Art of Jello-War"

Posted by: garrett at January 23, 2013 06:20 PM (/IUiM)

169 damn

no more women in IDF pics

Posted by: akak at January 23, 2013 06:20 PM (eFroM)

170 Women can out run men?Really?They hold all the records huh?

Posted by: steevy at January 23, 2013 06:20 PM (9XBK2)

171
151Whats next Pro Football ?

Too late - see: Bear's Offensive Line.

Posted by: Roy at January 23, 2013 06:21 PM (tiOTz)

172 "A pig in the poke is literally worth a thousand words."

--Biden

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 23, 2013 06:21 PM (+lsX1)

173 >>>as the women and outrun men easily over a long distance.

You're smoking...something...a lot stronger than the local weed.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 23, 2013 06:21 PM (0q2P7)

174 Private Benjamin. Live it. Love it.

- George Bernard Shaw

Posted by: The Hobo Wears Prada at January 23, 2013 06:21 PM (Z5BDI)

175 Sniper is a role that women do better at than men.
they shoot as well as men, and 5/9ths of them have that fourth set of
cones in their retina, and can spot artificial camouflage instantly.




Posted by: Kristophr at January 23, 2013 06:15 PM (wYVte)

And computers are going to do that shortly anyway. Just saw a demonstration of a system to make anyone a sniper. You lock your target (as viewed through a camera,) and when you get the gun lined up again, the computer fires it. Low cost, robust, and you don't have to worry about the details.

Combat robots are not far away.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 23, 2013 06:21 PM (bb5+k)

176 Just stay well away from the enemy armor, ladies.

Posted by: Rachel Corrie at January 23, 2013 06:22 PM (QKKT0)

177 8--- "Just another move to destroy the military."
Posted by: Vic at January 23, 2013 05:30 PM (53z96)

True, and it has the other benefit of denying and suppressing masculinity.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 23, 2013 06:22 PM (C8mVl)

178 Don't get me wrong, I love the ladies. I mean they rev my engines, but they don't belong on the battlefield.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at January 23, 2013 06:22 PM (sftcY)

179 Women in combat! Abortions for all! Kill the elderly! More great ideas from the Best and Most Progressive Administration Evah!!!

Posted by: The Ministry of Truth at January 23, 2013 06:22 PM (z63Tr)

180 Bumperstickerist and troyriser:Sniper is a role that women do better at than men. they shoot as well as men, and 5/9ths of them have that fourth set of cones in their retina, and can spot artificial camouflage instantly.
Posted by: Kristophr at January 23, 2013 06:15 PM (wYVte)

I taught rifle marksmanship to female ROTC students when I was pulling SD as range NCOIC many, many moons ago. Teaching women how to shoot was a dream: they were teachable and quick to absorb fundamentals. I didn't get any of that 'My grandaddy taught me how to shoot when I was in diapers' shit. (Of course, the ones [invariably male] who resisted instruction equally invariably failed to qualify.)

Posted by: troyriser at January 23, 2013 06:22 PM (vtiE6)

181
>>>Combat robots are not far away.

Right after Sex Robots...

Posted by: Roy at January 23, 2013 06:22 PM (tiOTz)

182 "176 Just stay well away from the enemy armor, ladies.

Posted by: Rachel Corrie at January 23, 2013 06:22 PM (QKKT0) "

Lol.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 06:22 PM (eqgV8)

183 It would be a crying shame if those F-16s TFG is sending to Egypt killed any U. S. troops. Or Joooooos.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 23, 2013 06:23 PM (UOM48)

184 Is that why women hold all the short, middle, and long distance running records?

Women start to have a chance in the ultra races, but if you're counting on your soldiers running fifty to a hundred miles, things are going very badly for you.

Posted by: t-bird at January 23, 2013 06:23 PM (FcR7P)

185 I would imagine that women aren't going to get many men killed, but they will hold back the performance of the unit.



They'll be held with the same contempt they are in noncombat units. Nothing like trotting off on a motivational Company PT run and have the women falling out of formation after a quarter mile. Or a conditioning hike where there ends up being a separate formation of women in the rear because they couldn't keep up at what is already a slow pace compared to what the infantry takes. Put these women in an infantry unit doing a 25 mile MCCRES hump and they'll be coming in 4 hours behind the guys, which will fuck with the unit's readiness score.



Great fucking idea. not to mention how they're going to get swarmed by every 18-24 y/o high testosterone male that doesn't get much of a chance to get off base much. Great situation guys. Fucking AWESOME.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 23, 2013 06:23 PM (4c71i)

186 "Like a fart in a whirlwind."

--St. Thomas Aquinas

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 23, 2013 06:23 PM (+lsX1)

187 Combat robots are not far away.


Combat robots are worthless in battle.

Posted by: George Lucas at January 23, 2013 06:23 PM (QKKT0)

188 Being in the infantry or in a ground SOF team is not like any other job in the military. It involves a lot of pain and misery. I think a bunch of people out there have been watching too many movies and TV shows. Being in the infantry is about being up for three days without any sleep, humping a 100+ pounds of gear in the cold rain. Usually with mountains thrown in for good measure. Being a grunt just flat-out sucks, not two ways about it. Same things goes for SF, Rangers, SEALs, Marine Recon, etc... only in spades. I used to fly those guys around during their mission profiles, and I was very thankful to have my (relatively) cushy helicopter job.

So just think to yourself. If women are just as combat capable as men, why don't women play football in the NFL? or even college football? Why don't women compete against men in the UFC? Olympic boxing, wrestling and judo could be co-ed, what's holding them back? Hell, I used to be married to an Olympic athlete who was also a firefighter for the city of Albuquerque. She used to try and do the physical conditioning sessions with me and some of the professional fighters at Greg Jacksons gym. She was the first to admit that there are some definite differences between men and women when it came to strength, power and overall physical conditioning.

And don't think for a second that the standards are going to stay the same. They will dial everything down so that the first big group of female "pioneers" make it though. I saw it at the Air Force Academy back in the late 80s, and it's going to happen to the combat MOS's now. Until we lose a couple of battles, see a bunch of unnecessary deaths due to shitty unit cohesion, or finally get a President without his head completely up his ass, things are going to get really stupid in the U.S. military for the next decade.

Final thought: Think any Generals or Sgt Majors will resign in protest? I personally doubt it, if none of them had the integrity to resign over having open homosexuals in the military, why would they grow a spine now?

Thank God I retired last summer....

Posted by: Pave Low John at January 23, 2013 06:23 PM (sxBfU)

189 "There are a lot of issues here, and women's rights are just one of them"

it's not a women's rights issue unless the term is excessively broad

the problem is that conservative politicians, to the extent they still care about stuff like this, haven't identified what exactly their ideology is on issues like these. we know the Democratic ideology: gender differences don't (can't) matter, ever. unless there's a counter-ideology to this thinking then all conservative opposition just looks like foot-dragging, especially when they stop opposing it right after it's "inevitable."

Posted by: JDP at January 23, 2013 06:23 PM (60GaT)

190 Too late - see: Bear's Offensive Line.
Posted by: Roy at January 23, 2013 06:21 PM (tiOTz)


----------------------------------------


Did you know that this next fall they'll be known as the Chicago Care-Bears. It's true.

Posted by: Soona at January 23, 2013 06:24 PM (U9S0G)

191 "Stamina isn't a problem, as the women and outrun men easily over a long distance. The Ironman competitions were separated into divisions by sex in order to allow men to win once in a while. Posted by: Kristophr at January 23, 2013 06:12 PM (wYVte)" Are you high? That simply isn't true.

Posted by: troyriser at January 23, 2013 06:24 PM (vtiE6)

192 "I like a big ass on my womenz"

--LL Cool J

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 23, 2013 06:25 PM (4cRnj)

193 @OhioCoastie
Since we're going to have #infantrywomen now, we should allow the deaf to be radio operators. Because, fairness.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at January 23, 2013 06:25 PM (DGIjM)

194 "185 I would imagine that women aren't going to get many men killed, but they will hold back the performance of the unit.



They'll be held with the same contempt they are in noncombat units. Nothing like trotting off on a motivational Company PT run and have the women falling out of formation after a quarter mile. Or a conditioning hike where there ends up being a separate formation of women in the rear because they couldn't keep up at what is already a slow pace compared to what the infantry takes. Put these women in an infantry unit doing a 25 mile MCCRES hump and they'll be coming in 4 hours behind the guys, which will fuck with the unit's readiness score.



Great fucking idea. not to mention how they're going to get swarmed by every 18-24 y/o high testosterone male that doesn't get much of a chance to get off base much. Great situation guys. Fucking AWESOME.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 23, 2013 06:23 PM (4c71i) "

Men are going to get men killed.

And not necessarily just themselves.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 06:25 PM (eqgV8)

195 Great fucking idea. not to mention how they're going to get swarmed by
every 18-24 y/o high testosterone male that doesn't get much of a chance
to get off base much. Great situation guys. Fucking AWESOME.



*yawn* Someone fetch my nine iron. And make it snappy.

Posted by: King Baracka Choom at January 23, 2013 06:25 PM (UOM48)

196 A combo of pms and telling them that their fat will bring out a mega fuckton of fight.

Posted by: YIKES! at January 23, 2013 06:25 PM (mETGQ)

197 Probably why obama is canning all the good generals... Some disagreement I bet in the real Military ranks...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at January 23, 2013 06:26 PM (9+ccr)

198

If I had wings I could fly.Unless I were a penguin.
-Playdoh Aristophanes

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at January 23, 2013 06:26 PM (Njl49)

199 Women in combat! Abortions for all! Kill the elderly! More great ideas from the Best and Most Progressive Administration Evah!!!


Posted by: The Ministry of Truth at January 23, 2013 06:22 PM (z63Tr)


For a group of people who believe human populations need to be scaled back, women dying is a feature, not a bug. Getting men killed trying to protect them is also a feature, not a bug. Weakening the US Military is also a feature, not a bug.

Killing women will reduce the probability of more people. From their perspective, it is a win win.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 23, 2013 06:26 PM (bb5+k)

200 OK, Steevie, you win.

Chrissy Wellington's records in the Ironman comps were beaten recently.

Posted by: Kristophr at January 23, 2013 06:26 PM (wYVte)

201
Of course we're squeamish about men suffering such horrific wounds, too. But one question that's always been open is "Would America be willing to fight any war if women started coming back scarred and maimed?"

That's already happened. There's a Wounded Warrior commercial with a maimed woman on it.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 23, 2013 06:27 PM (yiIja)

202 Make the APFT equal across the board first then we can talk.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at January 23, 2013 06:27 PM (SzAZ7)

203 172 "A pig in the poke is literally worth a thousand words." --Biden

-------

"You can beat a dead horse to water, but you can't make a silk purse from a pig-in-a-poke."

-- Opus

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at January 23, 2013 06:27 PM (IrbU4)

204
Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at January 23, 2013 06:25 PM (DGIjM)

Someone's trolling for a Marlee Matlin sock...

Posted by: garrett at January 23, 2013 06:27 PM (r5jFU)

205 Since we're going to have #infantrywomen now, we should allow the deaf to be radio operators. Because, fairness.

And why should Tourette's Syndrome keep an otherwise qualified candidate from diplomatic service?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 23, 2013 06:27 PM (QKKT0)

206 Don't get me wrong, I love the ladies. I mean they rev my engines, but they don't belong on the battlefield.
Posted by: Dr. Varno at January 23, 2013 06:22 PM (sftcY)

By and large that is true, but if the qualify, and I mean really qualify, hey I'm OK with it. But those lassies will be few and far between.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 23, 2013 06:28 PM (jE38p)

207 199

this is stupid

Posted by: JDP at January 23, 2013 06:29 PM (60GaT)

208 204
Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at January 23, 2013 06:25 PM (DGIjM)

Someone's trolling for a Marlee Matlin sock...
Posted by: garrett at January 23, 2013 06:27 PM (r5jFU)

***making various finger gestures***

Posted by: Marlee Matlin at January 23, 2013 06:29 PM (DGIjM)

209 Nice guns your sporting there soldier.

- George Patton

Posted by: The Hobo Wears Prada at January 23, 2013 06:29 PM (Z5BDI)

210 "207 199

this is stupid

Posted by: JDP at January 23, 2013 06:29 PM (60GaT) "

What?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 06:29 PM (eqgV8)

211 "How much crap was being carried, Burn the Witch?

That is what knocks women out of this."




They were wearing shorts, running shoes and shirts. You name it - 1.5m, 5k, 10k, half marathons, whatever. The average female is always in the rear when competing with the average male. Marine PFTs are wonderful examples - The first woman across, even if she's above average, will still not even be close to the top. The last people across are almost always women.



You do know that the Marines have a different standard for run times for women right? A male maxes it at 18mins for 3 miles. A female maxes at 21 mins for 3 miles.



Do you really think they do that because women are better runners?



They're not.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 23, 2013 06:29 PM (4c71i)

212 Since we're going to have #infantrywomen now, we should allow the deaf to be radio operators. Because, fairness.

And why should Tourette's Syndrome keep an otherwise qualified candidate from diplomatic service?


Narcoleptics have been kept out of the pilots seat way too long if you ask me.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 23, 2013 06:29 PM (0q2P7)

213 I can hear the Taliban battle cry now: SHOW US YOUR TITS!!!

Posted by: Soona at January 23, 2013 06:30 PM (U9S0G)

214 What the hell was it that Obama said to Dmitri right before the last election?

Something about letting his Liberal freak flag fly.

Posted by: tasker at January 23, 2013 06:30 PM (r2PLg)

215 I'm sure they'll have to pass the same physical requirements as men.... Oh what the fuck am I saying.

Posted by: Adam at January 23, 2013 06:30 PM (/YJYi)

216 "Bitch please.."

- Sun Tzu, The Art Of Decorating

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 23, 2013 06:31 PM (8sCoq)

217 215
I'm sure they'll have to pass the same physical requirements as men.... Oh what the fuck am I saying.


Posted by: Adam at January 23, 2013 06:30 PM (/YJYi)

No they won't , As usual they will lower the bar like they have in Fire Departments etc.

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at January 23, 2013 06:31 PM (9+ccr)

218
It worked fine for the Russians during The Great Patriotic War, but their backs were against the wall at that point.

I tend to agree with Vic: it's just another attempt to fuck up our military.

Posted by: Ed Anger at January 23, 2013 06:31 PM (tOkJB)

219
>I can hear the Taliban battle cry now: DON'T SHOW US YOUR TITS!!!



fify

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 23, 2013 06:31 PM (8sCoq)

220 "Who let the dogs out (woof, woof, woof, woof)"


---The Taliban


Posted by: Dr Spank at January 23, 2013 06:32 PM (4cRnj)

221 Good call.

Posted by: David Petraeus at January 23, 2013 06:32 PM (w3+gB)

222 So, when the first five or six are taken hostage, and the videos of them being tortured arrive on the interwebs, how many men will be sent to their deaths in ill-conceived operations to rescue them?

Posted by: TimothyJ at January 23, 2013 06:33 PM (J1D9e)

223 184 Is that why women hold all the short, middle, and long distance running records?

Women start to have a chance in the ultra races, but if you're counting on your soldiers running fifty to a hundred miles, things are going very badly for you.
Posted by: t-bird at January 23, 2013 06:23 PM (FcR7P)


You owe me a monitor.

Posted by: rickl at January 23, 2013 06:33 PM (sdi6R)

224 It just seems to be an attempt to further weaken the Military which has been obamas plan all along....

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at January 23, 2013 06:33 PM (9+ccr)

225 "218
It worked fine for the Russians during The Great Patriotic War, but their backs were against the wall at that point.

I tend to agree with Vic: it's just another attempt to fuck up our military.

Posted by: Ed Anger at January 23, 2013 06:31 PM (tOkJB) "

Do you have any idea how many Russians/Soviets died during "The Great Patriotic War?"

Hint: Think of Iraq II. Then, shoot yourself in the head.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 06:34 PM (eqgV8)

226 Give a woman a chance to join an infantry platoon and it won't be long before she blows it.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at January 23, 2013 06:35 PM (SzAZ7)

227 Moochelle shoudl join the military...one look at her face on the front lines and the enemy would run away without firing a shot...especially if they wears that helmet wig of hers.

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 23, 2013 06:35 PM (+OTLF)

228 it's still a bad idea even for women who qualify, partially cuz of the reasons Ace mentioned in the post.

Panetta isn't trying to destroy the military. like most liberals he's a committed egalitarian though.

Posted by: JDP at January 23, 2013 06:35 PM (60GaT)

229 if you're counting on your soldiers running fifty to a hundred miles, things are going very badly for you.

So that's what I did wrong . . .

Posted by: Napoleon in Russia at January 23, 2013 06:36 PM (QTHTd)

230 Bring back 'Oh Wicked Wanda', and the Puss Force.

Posted by: tony redenzo at January 23, 2013 06:36 PM (+B8B8)

231 I wonder if the feminists would start squawking if they made it a requirement for women to serve in combat positions.....

....or if they would see the ass-ploding hypocrisy of said squawking.

After all, they want "equality", right? (Just like they want "equality" in the number of white soldiers serving/dying vs. minorities)

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at January 23, 2013 06:36 PM (ADnWI)

232 Moochelle shoudl join the military

How would we feed her?

Posted by: t-bird at January 23, 2013 06:36 PM (FcR7P)

233 >>>How much crap was being carried, Burn the Witch?
>>>That is what knocks women out of this.

Just no dude. Just no. Look at marathon records. That's running with nothing beyond clothes. Womens record is 2:15.25 something a man was able to beat in 1958. Current men's record is 2:03.38.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 23, 2013 06:36 PM (0q2P7)

234 This is disastrous idea is no coincidence. This is enemy action from within. I'd be hard pressed to deny that Panetta plays for the other team. ...and he's CIA. Good God almighty we're fucked if this policy stands.

Posted by: tumbleweed on point at January 23, 2013 06:36 PM (mQkoX)

235 >It just seems to be an attempt to further weaken the Military which has been obamas plan all along....


I think it shows Obama admin are not serious about war-fighting, that they attach so much importance to gender equality in combat

WHICH NO ONE IN AMERICA SEEMS TO BE CLAMORING FOR

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 23, 2013 06:36 PM (8sCoq)

236
By and large that is true, but if the qualify,
and I mean really qualify, hey I'm OK with it. But those lassies will
be few and far between.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 23, 2013 06:28 PM (jE38p)


And will sow dissension in the ranks. Someone will get affection, and someone else will be pissed. Will it come to blows? Or worse?

Why would anyone ask for these kinds of problems?

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 23, 2013 06:36 PM (bb5+k)

237 "227 Moochelle shoudl join the military...one look at her face on the front lines and the enemy would run away without firing a shot...especially if they wears that helmet wig of hers.

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 23, 2013 06:35 PM (+OTLF) "

Mitch the Bitch is like Helen of Troy. But the other way around.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 06:36 PM (eqgV8)

238 I've fought with a few women in my day and I'd have to say it's somewhat like doing battle with a skunk.

.........IOW just how do you define winning?

Also I'll have to admit that I'm a bit curious to see how effective fake crying might be in combat situations.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 23, 2013 06:37 PM (aZ6ew)

239 Panetta isn't trying to destroy the military. like most liberals he's a committed egalitarian though.


Posted by: JDP at January 23, 2013 06:35 PM (60GaT)

He obviously didn't make this up himself... It came from obama...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at January 23, 2013 06:37 PM (9+ccr)

240 All its gonna take is one taliban video of a captured female infantry being raped then beheaded and its all over for any type of interaction on the global stage.

The liberals will be screaming for a bring them home isolationist hug a tree screw the jews policy.

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 23, 2013 06:37 PM (+OTLF)

241 I'd be hard pressed to deny that Panetta plays for the other team. ...and he's CIA. Good God almighty we're fucked if this policy stands.
Posted by: tumbleweed on point at January 23, 2013 06:36 PM (mQkoX)

And Panetta looks like Patton compared to hagel!!!!!!! Chew on that for a while

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 23, 2013 06:37 PM (jE38p)

242 "Would America be willing to fight any war if women started coming back scarred and maimed?"

Ugly women, yes.

Posted by: Average Joe at January 23, 2013 06:38 PM (oYXGc)

243 Your days of finger banging Mary Jane Rotten Crotch through her pretty pink panties has just begun, maggots!

Posted by: Dill Sergeant Bruce at January 23, 2013 06:38 PM (SzAZ7)

244 "228 it's still a bad idea even for women who qualify, partially cuz of the reasons Ace mentioned in the post.

Panetta isn't trying to destroy the military. like most liberals he's a committed egalitarian though.

Posted by: JDP at January 23, 2013 06:35 PM (60GaT) "

Panetta isn't trying to do anything. He's a lazy bum who just wants to get paid. His boss, on the other hand...

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 06:38 PM (eqgV8)

245 FUCK OBAMA!

Seriously....FUCK HIM UP THE ASS with Moochelles Dick.

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 23, 2013 06:38 PM (+OTLF)

246 >And will sow dissension in the ranks. Someone will get affection, and
someone else will be pissed. Will it come to blows? Or worse?

Why would anyone ask for these kinds of problems?


Behold the awesome power of vagina!

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 23, 2013 06:38 PM (8sCoq)

247 If all women were required to be eligible for combat positions, hardly any would join the military.

As it is now, we treat it like a fucking jobs program for them.

Posted by: Warden at January 23, 2013 06:38 PM (HzhBE)

248 240

well yeah. i'm just saying this is widespread thinking. to them it won't hurt the military, cuz it can't hurt the military. men=women so how could it hurt? if it does then it'll be blamed on a different problem that needs to be fixed.

Posted by: JDP at January 23, 2013 06:39 PM (60GaT)

249 And will sow dissension in the ranks. Someone will get affection, and someone else will be pissed. Will it come to blows? Or worse?

Why would anyone ask for these kinds of problems?

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 23, 2013 06:36 PM (bb5+k)

All I am saying, and I am against this policy change, is not many women are gonna be effected. We have bigger fights to fight.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 23, 2013 06:39 PM (jE38p)

250 It wouldnt be as big of a deal if our military personel were allowed to have bullets in their guns...cough benghazi cough.

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 23, 2013 06:40 PM (+OTLF)

251 I would like to hear from the Ronettes on this ridiculous policy

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 23, 2013 06:40 PM (8sCoq)

252 The only thing worse than listening to TFG's voice the next four years, would be listening to Commander-in-Chief Hildebeast Clinton with that loud, scolding screech.

I'd drink myself to death. For real.

Posted by: King Baracka Choom at January 23, 2013 06:41 PM (UOM48)

253 Cleanup aisle 253

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 23, 2013 06:41 PM (0q2P7)

254 I would like to hear from the Ronettes on this ridiculous policy
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 23, 2013 06:40 PM (8sCoq)


All the polls taken within the Military show that women do NOT want to serve in front line Infantry Units. ALL the polls

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 23, 2013 06:41 PM (jE38p)

255 Its gonna be hilarious to watch the demise of this country over the next four years. Just friggin hilarious.

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 23, 2013 06:41 PM (+OTLF)

256 "
All I am saying, and I am against this policy change, is not many women are gonna be effected. We have bigger fights to fight."

walk and chew gum etc.

Posted by: JDP at January 23, 2013 06:41 PM (60GaT)

257 Ed Driscoll has a quote up by Valerie Jarrett "we must protect women from violence".So yeah,let's make them combat infantry.

Posted by: steevy at January 23, 2013 06:41 PM (9XBK2)

258 "249 240

well yeah. i'm just saying this is widespread thinking. to them it won't hurt the military, cuz it can't hurt the military. men=women so how could it hurt? if it does then it'll be blamed on a different problem that needs to be fixed.

Posted by: JDP at January 23, 2013 06:39 PM (60GaT) "

No one actually believes men=women. You'd have to be retarded.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 06:41 PM (eqgV8)

259 Its gonna be hilarious to watch the demise of this country over the next four years. Just friggin hilarious.
Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 23, 2013 06:41 PM (+OTLF)


I'll be crying

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 23, 2013 06:42 PM (jE38p)

260 Plato? That's the dog from Walt Disney. Duh!

Posted by: joey biden at January 23, 2013 06:42 PM (ORGYc)

261 "And will sow dissension in the ranks. Someone will get affection, and someone else will be pissed. Will it come to blows? Or worse?


Why would anyone ask for these kinds of problems?"




Oh man, the problems in mixed gender units are already bad enough. Of course, you never hear about this, but holy FUCK can it bring operations to a grinding halt dealing with gender-related bullshit.



Put these problems in a forward operating unit? Oh man....

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 23, 2013 06:42 PM (4c71i)

262 Dr. Ruth was a sniper for the precursor to the Israeli Defense Force in the Way Back.

She scouted for Moses?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 23, 2013 06:42 PM (d0Dmj)

263 252
I would like to hear from the Ronettes on this ridiculous policy




I'm against it. I posted a link up-thread of a female Marine Capt. who is totally against it. She couldn't keep up with her male counterparts and her body literally broke down.

Not that Valerie Jarrett or Mooch give a rat's ass.

But, "violence against women!!!eleventy!!11!!!!"

Posted by: King Baracka Choom at January 23, 2013 06:43 PM (UOM48)

264 There's a couple of female joggers in my neighborhood that could sure use a few extra months of combat training. Or another 1,000 or so miles of jogging.

Posted by: wth at January 23, 2013 06:43 PM (wAQA5)

265 well there is an upside. More women handling firearms on a regular basis...is good for the second amendment.


Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 23, 2013 06:43 PM (+OTLF)

266 Posted by: Lemur at January 23, 2013 06:40 PM (x7Ucc) "

Troll harder.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 06:43 PM (eqgV8)

267 "No one actually believes men=women"

no, but liberals do seem to think gender is about as inconsequential as race with stuff like this.

Posted by: JDP at January 23, 2013 06:43 PM (60GaT)

268 Off, lazy, stoner sock.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 23, 2013 06:43 PM (UOM48)

269 Drop you cocks and grab your,err ahh hmmm?

Posted by: tony redenzo at January 23, 2013 06:44 PM (+B8B8)

270 Even a cursory bit of research on Panetta shows a long history of commie connections.

He sucks marxist cock.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 23, 2013 06:44 PM (aZ6ew)

271 More like 2,400....

Posted by: packsoldier at January 23, 2013 06:44 PM (10iCh)

272 "Ugly women, yes."

jeez

Posted by: Andrew at January 23, 2013 06:44 PM (HS3dy)

273 "262 Plato? That's the dog from Walt Disney. Duh!

Posted by: joey biden at January 23, 2013 06:42 PM (ORGYc) "

Heh.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 06:44 PM (eqgV8)

274 269
"No one actually believes men=women"

no, but liberals do seem to think gender is about as inconsequential as race with stuff like this.


Posted by: JDP at January 23, 2013 06:43 PM (60GaT)

Liberalism 101: A Vagina is just an innie. A penis is just an outie.

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 23, 2013 06:44 PM (+OTLF)

275 All privates are equal, but ones with friends in the White House and the media are more equal than others!


It is good to know we will never have to get engaged in another shooting/fighting war, because we wouldn't be able to win it even with realistic RoE.


Planes that won't survive combat, ships that were build by ignoring the experience of years of ship-building, and platoons of PMS females: What could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at January 23, 2013 06:44 PM (Cnqmv)

276 Obama weakening the military, of that I have no doubt. What worries me...and maybe it's just me...is my fear that large numbers of muslims will start to join in droves. The conclusion my mind draws is not. too. good.

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 23, 2013 06:44 PM (ATdet)

277 >All the polls taken within the Military show that women do NOT want to serve in front line Infantry Units. ALL the polls

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 23, 2013 06:41 PM (jE38p)

then who the fuck is pushing this, and why?
Western civilization has a tradition of shielding its women from unpleasantness- how did we get to this point? It's madness. A curse on whoever thought this shit up, and those who allow it to fester

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 23, 2013 06:45 PM (8sCoq)

278 "He sucks marxist cock."

Despite my disagreement with this decision, I must say, what does it have to do with marxism? I didn't know women in the military was a marxist thing...?

Posted by: Andrew at January 23, 2013 06:45 PM (HS3dy)

279 I'm telling you,all these movies involving women kicking mens asses is a factor.There is a whole generation(or more) of women out there who think they are the physical equals of men.

Posted by: steevy at January 23, 2013 06:45 PM (9XBK2)

280 Posted by: Lemur at January 23, 2013 06:44 PM (x7Ucc)



You really suck at this.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 23, 2013 06:45 PM (4c71i)

281 Taking a wiz or dump in the field could get interesting.

Posted by: YIKES! at January 23, 2013 06:46 PM (mETGQ)

282 "269 "No one actually believes men=women"

no, but liberals do seem to think gender is about as inconsequential as race with stuff like this.

Posted by: JDP at January 23, 2013 06:43 PM (60GaT) "

Leftists like to pretend a lot of things.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 06:46 PM (eqgV8)

283 then who the fuck is pushing this, and why?
Western civilization has a tradition of shielding its women from unpleasantness- how did we get to this point? It's madness. A curse on whoever thought this shit up, and those who allow it to fester
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 23, 2013 06:45 PM (8sCoq)

Don't you know liberal progressives know better than us? Didn't you get that memo?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 23, 2013 06:46 PM (jE38p)

284 We are screwed. Political correctness will cost lives.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at January 23, 2013 06:46 PM (DGIjM)

285 Well we could have all female platoons. Might be slower but they'll need fewer calories and once Barry's green policies and OSHA nonsense are applied fully to farming we'll probably be happy to have a military that doesn't compete as heavily for the nations dwindling food supply.

Posted by: PaleRider at January 23, 2013 06:46 PM (dkExz)

286 >Posted by: Lemur at January 23, 2013 06:44 PM (x7Ucc)


BTW, I enjoy your mom's website

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 23, 2013 06:46 PM (8sCoq)

287 somehow i think this Lemur fellow is a false flag. just a hunch

Posted by: JDP at January 23, 2013 06:46 PM (60GaT)

288 Panetta was, is, and will always be a Dem/commie political hack, but one clever enough to sow the seeds of progressivism quietly without his fingerprints in evidence.

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at January 23, 2013 06:47 PM (Cnqmv)

289
All the polls taken within the Military show that women do NOT want to serve in front line Infantry Units. ALL the polls

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 23, 2013 06:41 PM (jE38p)

But due to the power of EQUALITY (equal application of the law) if that boundary is knocked down, they should be REQUIRED to serve. Men would have a constitutional argument against discrimination.

What was that Alinsky tactic? Make them follow their own rules? If they can sue to demand equality, those hurt by being forced into combat roles ought to be able to sue to force women into those same roles.
The end result might be to thoroughly dissuade any women from joining the military, because they wouldn't have the required quota of women in combat positions, and they would be unfairly displacing a man in a non-combat position.

I wonder if any of these shit head liberals have thought of this unintended consequence?






Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 23, 2013 06:47 PM (bb5+k)

290 Gee, I can't believe that Lemur (x7Ucc) has never posted here before under that name or hash. Amazing for someone who clearly has the pulse of the conservative peoples!!!!!

Posted by: The Mega Independent at January 23, 2013 06:47 PM (46pA5)

291 "272 Even a cursory bit of research on Panetta shows a long history of commie connections.

He sucks marxist cock.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 23, 2013 06:44 PM (aZ6ew) "

Could be. I don't really know anything about him. Except that he seems lazy. And not that ideological. But he does work for Obama.


(So he sucks Marxist cock either way.)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 06:48 PM (eqgV8)

292 >Don't you know liberal progressives know better than us? Didn't you get that memo?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 23, 2013 06:46 PM (jE38p)

I don't know if they're trying to weaken combat effectiveness or they actually think this is a good idea

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 23, 2013 06:48 PM (8sCoq)

293 "275 @ 255 MikeTheMoose
You support amnesty for these Mexican welfare leeching roaches? If so, you are part of the problem. Mexicans are a useless people and should not be allowed in this great land.

Posted by: Lemur at January 23, 2013 06:44 PM (x7Ucc)"

Harder, not Gayer.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 06:48 PM (eqgV8)

294 275
@ 255 MikeTheMoose
You support amnesty for these Mexican welfare
leeching roaches? If so, you are part of the problem. Mexicans are a
useless people and should not be allowed in this great land.


Posted by: Lemur at January 23, 2013 06:44 PM (x7Ucc)
what the fuck are you talking about? California Nevada Arizona Texas New Mexico are as mexican as it can get without seceding from the union and joining our neighbor down south.As to the rest of your ethnocentric trolling...i would attack you if i cared, but after 4 years of being called a racist and having our so called leaders tear this country apart into factions that hate each other....meh i am not surprised you would voice such an opinion.America is now the land of the hate marginalize blame ostrecize isolate and attack anyone not like you.So meh.

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 23, 2013 06:48 PM (+OTLF)

295 OK i thought DiogenesLamp's earlier comment about population was goofy but he does get this

Posted by: JDP at January 23, 2013 06:49 PM (60GaT)

296 Posted by: Lemur at January 23, 2013 06:47 PM (x7Ucc)



No, you suck, like any good liberal does.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 23, 2013 06:49 PM (4c71i)

297 Lieutenant Kara Hultgreen..in light of Leon Panetta's decision today, you should know who she is and why this decision will kill many more like her.

She was a competent A-6 pilot who became the first female naval carrier-based fighter pilot. She died when her F-14 crashed on approach to the USS Abraham Lincoln. The Mishap Investigation Report makes it clear she was out of her depth in the F-14 and that led to multiple mistakes and ultimately to her death.

I am not belittling women here. My point is that she was not ready for the job to which she was assigned and that led to her death. This will also happen to many others due to Panetta's decision.

Why does this piss me off so much? Because she was a brave and honorable young woman who died in a tragic accident in part due to political correctness. Loss of Americans of her caliber is unacceptable when it is preventable.

Do I think there are women that can pilot an F-14, F-22 and F-35 as well as a man? Yes I do. But men have a physiological advantage over women that cannot be discounted. This is fact.

So what does that mean? We'll just find the women that can pass the same standards and we're all set, right? That's not how the world works now. It will become unacceptable, for purely political reasons, for these women to fail. Because of this they will be put into situations for which they are either not ready or not suited....and they will die for it.

Is this the fault of the courageous women willing to perform these tasks? I do not, for the most part, believe it is. Most will not be told honestly that they are not ready. Some women will know it, but will forge ahead. This is actually what we look for in a good soldier. The will to press on. The will to accomplish the mission. Unfortunately, there will be horrific consequences for those that do press on unprepared...and the men and women around them.

Now, a pilot is one person operating alone. Watch the History channel's documentary on female Marine's going through Boot Camp some time. They come no where near the levels their male counterparts are required to meet. This can no longer be acceptable if this is the way we are moving forward. But when the Marines start bouncing out 50% of the women because they can't meet the same standards as their male counterparts, what will all hear? We'll hear how the Marines are discriminating against women and purposely washing them out.

And what will happen next is that honorable and courageous women like Lieutenant Kara Hultgreen will be put into situations for which they are not ready and they will die.

And I am disgusted by any society that would allow this to happen.

Posted by: Silk at January 23, 2013 06:49 PM (8Tq14)

298 Go away lemur. Nobody is buying what you're selling.

Posted by: digitalbrownshirt at January 23, 2013 06:49 PM (G1aEt)

299
All the polls taken within the Military show that women do NOT want to serve in front line Infantry Units. ALL the polls

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 23, 2013 06:41 PM (jE38p)


If our side was on it's game, we would immediately file discrimination lawsuits in Federal court. If 80% of males have to be in a combat unit, then the law should require 80% of females to likewise be in a combat unit.

This is how you burn these assholes (the liberals) people!!


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 23, 2013 06:49 PM (bb5+k)

300 >Posted by: Lemur at January 23, 2013 06:47 PM (x7Ucc)


you are a stupid fucking troll. This ain't our first rodeo, Bunky.

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 23, 2013 06:50 PM (8sCoq)

301 "I don't know if they're trying to weaken combat effectiveness or they actually think this is a good idea"

the latter

it's all ideology

Posted by: JDP at January 23, 2013 06:50 PM (60GaT)

302 Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 23, 2013 06:47 PM (bb5+k)


You keep over-estimating the competence of "our" side! Using counter-lawfare, criticizing unConstitutional actions, or speaking the truth about principles is JUST.NOT.DONE!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at January 23, 2013 06:50 PM (Cnqmv)

303 "281 "He sucks marxist cock."

Despite my disagreement with this decision, I must say, what does it have to do with marxism? I didn't know women in the military was a marxist thing...?

Posted by: Andrew at January 23, 2013 06:45 PM (HS3dy) "

Well, it is. Marxist-Leninist. Stalinist. Maoist. Frankfurt School. Etc.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 06:50 PM (eqgV8)

304 It's really gonna do wonders for the military shoe industry.

Posted by: wth at January 23, 2013 06:50 PM (wAQA5)

305 Got to address the hygiene issue...are these females going to have hysterectomies or use meds so they don't have the monthly visit? If not, then there's going to be a big risk of toxic shock - just for starters. And how about the swelling, bloating, and cramping issues?

Posted by: Eurw at January 23, 2013 06:50 PM (e+d5r)

306 "282 I'm telling you,all these movies involving women kicking mens asses is a factor.There is a whole generation(or more) of women out there who think they are the physical equals of men.

Posted by: steevy at January 23, 2013 06:45 PM (9XBK2) "

Yes.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 06:50 PM (eqgV8)

307 "I don't know if they're trying to weaken combat effectiveness or they actually think this is a good idea."



It all stems from this silly notion that there is a so-called "right" to serve in the military.



Just more standard liberal feelgood bullshit, consequences be damned.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 23, 2013 06:51 PM (4c71i)

308 Ultra-puritans who hate the body.
Who loathe the reality of male and female.
It's all a social construct.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 23, 2013 06:51 PM (C8mVl)

309 "284 @ 268 Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney
I thought this blog was anti amnesty?

Posted by: Lemur at January 23, 2013 06:45 PM (x7Ucc) "

You didn't think at all.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 06:51 PM (eqgV8)

310
I don't know if they're trying to weaken combat effectiveness or they actually think this is a good idea
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 23, 2013 06:48 PM (8sCoq)

I actually think they think this is a good idea? And I have no idea why????

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 23, 2013 06:51 PM (jE38p)

311 Ed Driscoll has a quote up by Valerie Jarrett "we must protect women from violence".

---

What a genius. In all of our 230+ years, we never thought to pass any laws limiting the amount of violence one can commit against another person. What were we thinking? {facepalm} Either that, or she means to equip us with force fields. Subsidized, of course.

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 23, 2013 06:52 PM (ATdet)

312 no fan of Mexicans

Why would you capitalize "mexicans"? It's almost like you secretly like them. Sorry, you can't be in our club if you don't demean minorities sufficiently, bub. Now where did I put my hood?

Posted by: The Mega Independent at January 23, 2013 06:52 PM (46pA5)

313 Cleanup on aisle 275.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 23, 2013 06:52 PM (bb5+k)

314 Lemur

you're enlightened and there are no rational counterarguments to any of your views, we get it

Posted by: JDP at January 23, 2013 06:52 PM (60GaT)

315 > What is next for this once great country?


Posted by: Lemur at January 23, 2013 06:50 PM (x7Ucc)


your mom doing anal gangbangs on pay-per-view

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 23, 2013 06:52 PM (8sCoq)

316 285
Taking a wiz or dump in the field could get interesting.


Posted by: YIKES! at January 23, 2013 06:46 PM (mETGQ)

Not really. A dump is a dump and girls dont have swinging danglers that coudl get in the way.As for a wiz....all you got to do is lift one leg and squeeze real hard and bam you can even write your name in the snow if you have good pelvic control....now shaking the dew off he lily...thats a bit problematic but nothing a good shamwow cant fix up.

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 23, 2013 06:53 PM (+OTLF)

317 >>Despite my disagreement with this decision, I must
say, what does it have to do with marxism? I didn't know women in the
military was a marxist thing...?
Posted by: Andrew at January 23, 2013 06:45 PM (HS3dy)

It was a response to someone upthread that questioned how Panetta could be considered anti-military by citing his CIA stewardship.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 23, 2013 06:53 PM (aZ6ew)

318 Fun Fact Of The Day: Entire 1776 U.S. Population Would Be Needed To Staff Obama’s Bloated Federal Government…

I guess that's why we need wimmin folk in combat?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 23, 2013 06:53 PM (jE38p)

319 319 She's got herself a round the clock 6 Secret Service protection,so she's good.

Posted by: steevy at January 23, 2013 06:53 PM (9XBK2)

320 your mom doing anal gangbangs on pay-per-view
If she's dressed as a biker chick, I'm there!

Posted by: joey biden at January 23, 2013 06:54 PM (ORGYc)

321 "Got to address the hygiene issue...are these females going to have hysterectomies or use meds so they don't have the monthly visit? If not, then there's going to be a big risk of toxic shock - just for starters. And how about the swelling, bloating, and cramping issues? "



Heh, we're talking an institution that will extract your wisdom teeth in some situations because they don't want to run the risk you won't be operationally available. But this philosophy won't be applied to the increased health risks women face because...well...equality...or something.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 23, 2013 06:55 PM (4c71i)

322
then who the fuck is pushing this, and why?
Western
civilization has a tradition of shielding its women from
unpleasantness- how did we get to this point? It's madness. A curse on
whoever thought this shit up, and those who allow it to fester


Posted by: Jones in CO at January 23, 2013 06:45 PM (8sCoq)

The party of Death worships Death. This is just another method for opposing life.
(when you break it down into it's simplest terms.)


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 23, 2013 06:56 PM (bb5+k)

323 "307 "I don't know if they're trying to weaken combat effectiveness or they actually think this is a good idea"

the latter

it's all ideology

Posted by: JDP at January 23, 2013 06:50 PM (60GaT) "

And the former.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 06:56 PM (eqgV8)

324 "You hate Mexicans as well. Don't act like you don't.
Posted by: Lemur at January 23, 2013 06:51 PM (x7Ucc)"




Wow, you're really really bad at this.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 23, 2013 06:57 PM (4c71i)

325 308
Gays getting married, women soldiers and Mexicans being allowed in and
spreading like roaches. What is next for this once great country?


Posted by: Lemur at January 23, 2013 06:50 PM (x7Ucc)
Barack, get your skinny chain smoking purple lipped punk ass trolling self off the internet and get back to ruining the country you pathetic incompetent inexperienced cock sucking useless shit of a metrosexual mom jean wearing sorry excuse for a man that throws like a girl.

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 23, 2013 06:57 PM (+OTLF)

326 The number of women who actually volunteer will be low. And when there is some risk of fighting, that number will go to zero. Or, every one already in a "combat" unit will immediately become pregnant. That's how this will go. I hope that those in command don't assume that more than 10% of them will actually be combat effective.
As for squeamishness about women coming back maimed, why should we feel any? They asked for it with their constant nagging and foot stomping. Let them have it War is ugly - not just an opportunity for career advancement. There are risks. Further, women have gotten the suffrage pretty damn cheaply - let them, collectively, earn it for once. Let them pay the price menhave always paid. Then their ability to screw up the political process with their emotion drive votes will not be so irksome.

Posted by: Reactionary at January 23, 2013 06:57 PM (jfeoD)

327 "316 Ultra-puritans who hate the body.
Who loathe the reality of male and female.
It's all a social construct.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 23, 2013 06:51 PM (C8mVl) "

Yes. (Neo)Gnostics.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 06:58 PM (eqgV8)

328 Panetta worked for Clinton 2x iirc and has ties to the Center for American Progress and other commie cover stink tanks.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 23, 2013 06:58 PM (aZ6ew)

329 Will someone rid me of this troublesome asshole on Aisle 295?

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 23, 2013 06:58 PM (bb5+k)

330 I hate Mexicans like any good conservative does. Amnesty and open borders is a way to destroy our country. It's bad enough these roaches are 17% of the country. Just wait until they are 25%, it will be a diseased infested slum.
Posted by: Lemur at January 23, 2013 06:47 PM (x7Ucc)

You really believe your own propaganda? You know the propaganda I mean: the pervasivemedia image of the knuckle-dragging, gap-toothed bigots and Bible-thumping hicks? Maybe someone at Liberal Troll HQ forgot to tell you, but that cartoony conservative image is agitprop. It has no bearing on reality. It isn't true. It's made up.

We're guilty of it too, I suppose. Whenever I think 'liberal troll', I picture a fat, sweaty, pimply faced geek hunched over a keyboard and wondering why he couldn't get laid at the OWS happening last year when everybody else--including Jimmy and his stupid tom-toms--was getting some.

Down-twinkles, man. Bummer.

Posted by: troyriser at January 23, 2013 06:59 PM (vtiE6)

331 Posted by: Lemur at January 23, 2013 06:51 PM (x7Ucc)


-------------------------------------


Whoever is wielding the banhammer, this jackoff really needs his shit splattered.

Posted by: Soona at January 23, 2013 06:59 PM (U9S0G)

332 Someone please for god sake...release the Hillary Clinton Sex Tape already!



Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 23, 2013 07:00 PM (+OTLF)

333 OK i thought DiogenesLamp's earlier comment about population was goofy but he does get this


Posted by: JDP at January 23, 2013 06:49 PM (60GaT)


A lot of people think the things I say are goofy, but i'm goofy like a fox!



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 23, 2013 07:00 PM (bb5+k)

334 Yes, these idiots would have us believe that our Constitution enshrined violence. In reality, it recognized that violence is part of the human existence and can never be eliminated (unless perhaps everyone is immediately put in a cage at birth and buried in that same cage at death). Instead, the Constitution established a judicial structure to ensure that penalties for violence would be meted out fairly to those proven guilty. But what did those old guys know, they only had King George III to deal with, not a smooth talking commie from Chicago.

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at January 23, 2013 07:01 PM (Cnqmv)

335 327

i can't tell if this is serious

Posted by: JDP at January 23, 2013 07:01 PM (60GaT)

336 What dems and liberals have to get is that the Military is not Lab to test their exotic theories and it is also not a "right" to serve but a privilege.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 23, 2013 07:01 PM (jE38p)

337 >>Posted by: Lemur at January 23, 2013 06:51 PM (x7Ucc)"



In order to effectively troll like that you have to at least appear in the mainstream of the blog comments and not a sick lying fucking outliar liar.


bitch

Posted by: ontherocks at January 23, 2013 07:01 PM (aZ6ew)

338 And how long before volunteering for combat becomes mandatory? Women in the navy aren't given the choice to decline shipping out now, when around 20 years ago they were only stationed on land (at least that's what I recall)

Posted by: Eurw at January 23, 2013 07:02 PM (e+d5r)

339 212 Narcoleptics have been kept out of the pilots seat way too long if you ask me.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 23, 2013 06:29 PM (0q2P7)


And haven't the blind been kept out of forward spotter positions for long enough?

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at January 23, 2013 07:02 PM (Jcd0S)

340 "30 percent of the military senior officers are expelled for sexual misconduct"
If this is the case, then only a callused asshole would blame that on there being more women. It's disgusting and demeaning for people to say that men "can't help themselves." We aren't fucking animals, and while I have intense sympathy for Petraus (I could give a fuck who he docks as long as it's not an enemy agent) any officer that abuses a female or pulls a typical frat boy move on her and gets her drunk to bone her ought to be kicked out. I don't care if pussy surrounds you, if you can't control yourself you better not be anywhere near the military. And I say that as a Marine

LOL 275-don't be hating because white people listened to the environmental lunatics and stopped reproducing, as opposed to us beaners. Sheesh I hope ill be able to find a white girl when the time comes for me to tie the knot!

Posted by: Danny at January 23, 2013 07:03 PM (hAsz0)

341
Do you have any idea how many Russians/Soviets died during "The Great Patriotic War?"

Hint: Think of Iraq II. Then, shoot yourself in the head.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 06:34 PM (eqgV


Then, shoot yourself in the head?

What the fuck are you trying to say, dumbass?

Of course I know the Russians suffered about 20 million deaths during WW II. Why the fuck do you think I said "... but their backs were against the wall at that point."

Go slam your dick in your car door. Then you won't be able to think anymore.

Posted by: Ed Anger at January 23, 2013 07:03 PM (tOkJB)

342 "335 327

i can't tell if this is serious

Posted by: JDP at January 23, 2013 07:01 PM (60GaT) "

Want me to hold your hand?

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 07:03 PM (eqgV8)

343 323 ---"The party of Death worships Death. This is just another method for opposing life.
(when you break it down into it's simplest terms.)"

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 23, 2013 06:56 PM (bb5+k)

328 -- "Yes. (Neo)Gnostics."
Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 06:58 PM (eqgV

EXACTLY.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 23, 2013 07:03 PM (C8mVl)

344 As for squeamishness about women coming back maimed, why should we feel any?

I am not saying you should. I am just telling you how it is when female US or Allied Military ( mostly US Military) come in with extensive wounds, especially blast wounds

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 23, 2013 07:04 PM (jE38p)

345 Now, a pilot is one person operating alone. Watch
the History channel's documentary on female Marine's going through Boot
Camp some time. They come no where near the levels their male
counterparts are required to meet. This can no longer be acceptable if
this is the way we are moving forward. But when the Marines start
bouncing out 50% of the women because they can't meet the same standards
as their male counterparts, what will all hear? We'll hear how the
Marines are discriminating against women and purposely washing them out.





Posted by: Silk at January 23, 2013 06:49 PM (8Tq14)

My Nephew went through this in the marines. He developed utter contempt for the women going through boot camp with him. He mentioned how the drill Sargent ended up carrying two women's packs during a hike. He said they wined and bitched and threatened to go to the CO. He said they were constantly given special treatment, and that any man who behaved as they did would have been punished severely.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 23, 2013 07:04 PM (bb5+k)

346 Liberals are hell bent on destroying America.

Only problem for them is where the fuck will the go once they are done destroying this country?

Egypt?



Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 23, 2013 07:04 PM (+OTLF)

347 Goofy's another dog... but he's the one that talks. I wonder how Disney taught a dog to talk? Probably camera tricks or something.

Posted by: joey biden at January 23, 2013 07:05 PM (ORGYc)

348 Its not going to matter. When Obama andtheDemsget done downsizing the military, it will be at Luxembourg levels anyway.

Posted by: puddleglum at January 23, 2013 07:05 PM (8SsiG)

349 "341
Do you have any idea how many Russians/Soviets died during "The Great Patriotic War?"

Hint: Think of Iraq II. Then, shoot yourself in the head.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 06:34 PM (eqgV

Then, shoot yourself in the head?

What the fuck are you trying to say, dumbass?

Of course I know the Russians suffered about 20 million deaths during WW II. Why the fuck do you think I said "... but their backs were against the wall at that point."

Go slam your dick in your car door. Then you won't be able to think anymore.

Posted by: Ed Anger at January 23, 2013 07:03 PM (tOkJB) "

That you were and are talking out of your ass.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 07:06 PM (eqgV8)

350 I like to play with my own feces in the bathtub.

Posted by: Lemur at January 23, 2013 07:06 PM (+OTLF)

351
You keep over-estimating the competence of "our"
side! Using counter-lawfare, criticizing unConstitutional actions, or
speaking the truth about principles is JUST.NOT.DONE!


Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at January 23, 2013 06:50 PM (Cnqmv)

I'm not overestimating their competence. To the contrary, I am lately surprised that they ever have any sort of success at anything. To be fair though, the other side has nothing like the constant incoming rounds we get from the Media "Air" force.

Twere the other side getting as much, I have little doubt they would do even worse.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 23, 2013 07:07 PM (bb5+k)

352 sock off

Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 23, 2013 07:07 PM (+OTLF)

353 Posted by: puddleglum at January 23, 2013 07:05 PM (8SsiG)

There's more than one way to achieve an all-female and gay diverse military! It might be tricky to get the racial mix quotas right though.

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at January 23, 2013 07:08 PM (Cnqmv)

354 "347 Goofy's another dog... but he's the one that talks. I wonder how Disney taught a dog to talk? Probably camera tricks or something.

Posted by: joey biden at January 23, 2013 07:05 PM (ORGYc) "

:-)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 07:08 PM (eqgV8)

355 My Nephew went through this in the marines. He developed utter contempt for the women going through boot camp with him. He mentioned how the drill Sargent ended up carrying two women's packs during a hike. He said they wined and bitched and threatened to go to the CO. He said they were constantly given special treatment, and that any man who behaved as they did would have been punished severely.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 23, 2013 07:04 PM (bb5+k)

Look everyone knows women are not the same as men in combat. But from I see at the women recruits at Parris Island, they are OK in my book for what they are being trained to do. And that is NOT INFANTRY COMBAT.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 23, 2013 07:08 PM (jE38p)

356
Down-twinkles, man. Bummer.

Posted by: troyriser at January 23, 2013 06:59 PM (vtiE6)

You're not supposed to smear troll shit in the thread. Once the trolls entry's are deleted, his comments will disappear unless you copy them into your messages.

I did it myself once before someone pointed out to me that this is a no-no.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 23, 2013 07:11 PM (bb5+k)

357 I'll believe that they're serious about women in combat arms when they force women to register for Selective Service at 18, just like every American male has had to do for decades.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 23, 2013 07:14 PM (MBqvE)

358
Ultra-puritans who hate the body.
Who loathe the reality of male and female.
It's all a social construct.

Except that the Puritans didn't hate the body or even sex - quite the opposite. They were even accused of advocating free love in their early days. It was the Catholics who tended to view the body as inherently bad, and they picked it up from Plato, or at least neoplatonic philosophy.

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 23, 2013 07:15 PM (4vofC)

359 Look everyone knows women are not the same as men in
combat. But from I see at the women recruits at Parris Island, they are
OK in my book for what they are being trained to do. And that is NOT
INFANTRY COMBAT.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 23, 2013 07:08 PM (jE38p)

He was in the Marines. I think their specialty is Infantry style combat.

He was EOD.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 23, 2013 07:17 PM (bb5+k)

360 Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 23, 2013 07:11 PM (bb5+k)

I like trolling back but I'll refrain in the future. Rules are rules.

Posted by: troyriser at January 23, 2013 07:18 PM (vtiE6)

361 We're gonna change "Hooah!" to "Whoopsie!"

Posted by: Sexual Harassment Sniper at January 23, 2013 07:19 PM (mQkoX)

362 It was the Catholics who tended to view the body as inherently bad

That was more the Gnostics and, later, Cathars.

Some ostensibly Catholic (or Orthodox) monks would occasionally write something dumb along those times, true, but Catholics don't have a problem with doin' the thing within marriage

Posted by: boulder hobo at January 23, 2013 07:19 PM (QTHTd)

363
I'll believe that they're serious about women in combat arms when they
force women to register for Selective Service at 18, just like every
American male has had to do for decades.





Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 23, 2013 07:14 PM (MBqvE)

And this is the first thing our side should sue for in Federal court.
We can turn this into a fiasco for those f*cking bastards if we would just put up a fight!!!!!

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 23, 2013 07:19 PM (bb5+k)

364
If we can have Starship Troopers shower scenes, I'm all for women in combat.

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at January 23, 2013 07:19 PM (WYTHl)

365
That you were and are talking out of your ass.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 07:06 PM (eqgV


How so?

Please be specific because the shit you're sputtering makes no sense.

Posted by: Ed Anger at January 23, 2013 07:21 PM (tOkJB)

366 I like trolling back but I'll refrain in the future. Rules are rules.

Posted by: troyriser at January 23, 2013 07:18 PM (vtiE6)

Me too. I think the concern is that liberals (Charles Johnson and his merry band of asshole bandits) like to look for racial commentary on conservative websites so that they can use it as evidence when they argue to people that "we're all a bunch of racists!!!!"

Not letting them have the spew of trolls is just good housekeeping.

If you haven't heard of the Charles Johnson Saga, you might be very interested in learning more about it.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 23, 2013 07:22 PM (bb5+k)

367 363


I'll believe that they're serious about women in combat arms when they

force women to register for Selective Service at 18, just like every

American male has had to do for decades.




^^^^THIS^^^^


My husband's Obamabot Special Snowflake twenty-something niece is always telling us, "I'm as smart, if not smarter, than any guy my age. And there's nothing a guy can do that I can't."



She hates the military, so her being drafted would be........awesome.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 23, 2013 07:22 PM (UOM48)

368 If we can have Starship Troopers shower scenes, I'm all for women in combat.

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at January 23, 2013 07:19 PM (WYTHl)

That might have been Hollywierd crap. I'm not sure Heinlein mentioned that. It's been decades since I read the book. Anyone remember if Heinlein was okay with women in the military?


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 23, 2013 07:24 PM (bb5+k)

369
To Do is to Be - Socrates
To Be is to Do - Aristotle
Do Be Do Be Do - Sinatra

Posted by: Grabonya Haardkok at January 23, 2013 07:24 PM (2RLaN)

370 "He was in the Marines. I think their specialty is Infantry style combat."



He wasn't in the Marines if he went through boot camp with women.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 23, 2013 07:24 PM (4c71i)

371 I am still trying to figure out if Ace deliberately substituted 'hear' for 'here' in the penultimate paragraph and what he meant if he did. I think it is funny...but I am not sure why. Am I autistic?

Posted by: NOway at January 23, 2013 07:24 PM (6QmM4)

372 these are the kind of ideas generated in think tanks by people who have not served and do not know anyone who has served, and certainly not in combat. This is the kind of thinking that occurs in the professors lounge

Posted by: thunderb at January 23, 2013 07:25 PM (Dnbau)

373 I feel a lot less squeamish about female casualties and disfigurement now that I see they voted for Obama in such large numbers. They want a feminized, social welfare state then let them defend it.

At least if Sandra Fluke is in your unit you will never want for something rubbery to tie a wound off with or to keep water from running down the barrel of your gun.

Posted by: Voluble at January 23, 2013 07:25 PM (qYvEa)

374 Heinlein's "starship troopers" put women into the pilots' seats, as I recall. Not front line so much.

Posted by: boulder hobo at January 23, 2013 07:27 PM (QTHTd)

375
He wasn't in the Marines if he went through boot camp with women.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 23, 2013 07:24 PM (4c71i)


Don't know what to tell ya about this. He says he had women in boot camp. Said a lot of bad things about them. Said they couldn't even carry their own packs on a cross country hike. He was not happy about it.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 23, 2013 07:28 PM (bb5+k)

376 true story. When I was in Desert Storm, we were at a northern staging base for combat operations in northern Iraq and Baghdad. All of the civilian women and families were evacuated from this NATO base. The base population went from about 2,000 to about 25,000. People were "hot-bunking", one guy sleeps in the day, another at night, all in the same bed. People sleeping in cots everywhere. Of that 25,000, about 500 women. All USAF and USA. Rumor has it, the Army enlisted women started a whorehouse

Posted by: thunderb at January 23, 2013 07:30 PM (Dnbau)

377 365
That you were and are talking out of your ass.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 23, 2013 07:06 PM (eqgV

How so?

Please be specific because the shit you're sputtering makes no sense.
Posted by: Ed Anger at January 23, 2013 07:21 PM (tOkJB)


Ed, I went back and looked at your #218 comment, and I saw nothing objectionable or inaccurate about it. I have no idea what he's on about.

Posted by: rickl at January 23, 2013 07:30 PM (sdi6R)

378 He was in the Marines. I think their specialty is Infantry style combat.

He was EOD.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 23, 2013 07:17 PM (bb5+k)

??? At boot camp they are not taught any particular specialty. In addition they would not have been any women in his unit at Parris Island. They are in in their own Battalion ( the 4TH). Now he would see them around base and might even PT with them at times, but that is about it in Boot Camp.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 23, 2013 07:31 PM (jE38p)

379 Of that 25,000, about 500 women. All USAF and USA. Rumor has it, the Army enlisted women started a whorehouse

In other words: Colorado during the gold-rush.

Posted by: boulder hobo at January 23, 2013 07:32 PM (QTHTd)

380
Ed, I went back and looked at your #218 comment,
and I saw nothing objectionable or inaccurate about it. I have no idea
what he's on about.

Posted by: rickl at January 23, 2013 07:30 PM (sdi6R)


Troll shit getting deleted probably renumbered all the comments. There was some very racist comments being posted by a troll called "lemur."

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 23, 2013 07:33 PM (bb5+k)

381 380 DiogenesLamp

Right, but look at #225. It specifically quotes Ed Anger's #218. I think "lemur" came along later.

Posted by: rickl at January 23, 2013 07:37 PM (sdi6R)

382 "Don't know what to tell ya about this. He says he had women in boot camp. Said a lot of bad things about them. Said they couldn't even carry their own packs on a cross country hike. He was not happy about it."



The only thing I can think is that he was referring to MCT or his MOS school and not boot camp. His experience sounds typical of newly enlisted Marines going through all of their initial training past boot camp.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 23, 2013 07:38 PM (4c71i)

383
??? At boot camp they are not taught any
particular specialty. In addition they would not have been any women in
his unit at Parris Island. They are in in their own Battalion ( the
4TH). Now he would see them around base and might even PT with them at
times, but that is about it in Boot Camp.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 23, 2013 07:31 PM (jE38p)

Informing you that he was EOD was not meant to imply that he learned his MOS at boot camp. It was to inform you that he was in a combat unit. He was not at Parris Island, he was at camp Pendleton.
I'm telling you he said there were women in his Marine Boot camp. I'll ask him more about it next time I see him.

Done for the night, I have to go be with the family. Later people.




Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 23, 2013 07:38 PM (bb5+k)

384 Would battle field rape be rape-rape?

Posted by: nip at January 23, 2013 07:39 PM (11Tdq)

385 He was not at Parris Island, he was at camp Pendleton.
I'm telling you he said there were women in his Marine Boot camp. I'll ask him more about it next time I see him.

Done for the night, I have to go be with the family. Later people.




Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 23, 2013 07:38 PM (bb5+k)

There are NO women at Boot Camp MCRD San Diego. The ONLY women's Battalion is at MCRD Parris Island

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 23, 2013 07:40 PM (jE38p)

386
#377:

Thanks. I've had a rotten, stressful day dealing with my Dad's health and stuff. I guess I'll just go somewhere else because right now I can't handle asshole trolls. Too bad, because I really like this place.

Posted by: Ed Anger at January 23, 2013 07:41 PM (tOkJB)

387 Define combat troops? In a fluid conventional battlefield, the FLOT might be 30 miles away in the morning and by afternoon a mere 5 miles away. Now in COIN environment there is no front line. So technically all troops are combat troops.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 23, 2013 07:44 PM (fLln5)

388 I dunno, I 'd probably make for a piss-poor soldier but I think I could make the effort to chase down some burqua clad mother of a jihadi.

Because they are slower than their rapist, murdery, male fambl membrs, what with the burqua and all.

Posted by: Deety at January 23, 2013 07:44 PM (aOVhq)

389
"My Nephew went through this in the marines. He developed utter contempt
for the women going through boot camp with him. He mentioned how the
drill Sargent ended up carrying two women's packs during a hike. He said
they wined and bitched and threatened to go to the CO. He said they
were constantly given special treatment, and that any man who behaved as
they did would have been punished severely."

Marines segregate recruits in basic training.
Marines also don't use "drill Sargents", they're called Drill Instructors.
Marines do have "special treatment" for whiners but its not what you think.

Posted by: RayJ at January 23, 2013 07:44 PM (pI/IV)

390 >> Define combat troops?

Offensive combat operations. Not offensive as in "to give offense." The other kind.

Most women are just not up to the job. If you can't carry 120 pounds of gear, another soldier is going to take on part of the load, your pack, your weapon. He becomes less combat effective.

I didn't make the rules about why men are more physically fit to fight, but them's the rules and this idiocy is going to get more soldiers, men and women, killed.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at January 23, 2013 07:49 PM (pUqSw)

391
The problem is that once it becomes clear that the majority of women, even those who are actively willing, cannot hack it, standards will be driven down and the truth suppressed in the name of 'fairness' and 'equality'. This isso obviously going to happen thatit isn't evenarguable.

Oh well, it isn't as if the military is even intended to win wars anymore, as opposed to being a political plaything of whichever corrupt gang is in charge at the moment.

Posted by: MlR at January 23, 2013 07:53 PM (Axing)

392 For parades, the DC (drill and ceremony) rifle for the United States Military Academy is the venerable M14, the last true battle rifle of the US Army. Contrary to a certain GI Joe episode, the rifles are neutered, having their firing pins removed long ago. The only other modification made to the rifles is that a certain number of them have had their charging springs shortened by about a third. The reason for this is because most females don’t possess the upper body strength to properly lock the bolt to the rear while performing the ‘inspection arms’ drill movement. Cutting the spring relieves the pressure allowing the weaker females to perform the move without struggling.

Posted by: BohicaTwentyTwo at January 23, 2013 07:53 PM (3IPFy)

393 Socrates was a bad assed hoplite in his youth.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 23, 2013 07:55 PM (QupBk)

394
Uhhh...women are already coming back scarred and maimed and horribly disfigured. Or hasn't anyone noticed? Guess not. Becausethose aren't "combat" injuries. Those are just "warzone" injuries. I suppose you can explain thedifference to the doctors who are amputating their limbs.

Why do they give "lady soldiers" guns, anyway? It's not like they need them. Right?

Posted by: Bets at January 23, 2013 08:00 PM (jBL/q)

395 "Amnesty and open borders is a way to destroy our country."

Amnesty is bad yes. Open borders, not so sure about that one. I have no issue with legal migrant workers. Pass laws getting rid of anchor babies and then what's the issue? We're the only place in the world where a baby is automatically a citizen, it's absurd and the Constitution never meant for this practice. Get rid of anchor babies, no amnesty, and a completely open guest worker program. Oh, and end this stupid drug war we spend over half our law enforcement and legal budgets on. Do that and this problem is gone.

Posted by: Andrew at January 23, 2013 08:06 PM (HS3dy)

396 When will women be let into the NFL?

Posted by: Andrew at January 23, 2013 08:09 PM (HS3dy)

397 As long as men in combat don't decide the girls need rescuing more than their other "brothers in arms" it could work (how does Israel deal with the possibility of women soldiers being captured as a tactical maneuver?).

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at January 23, 2013 08:15 PM (9eDbm)

398 But I run an Interactive blog. It's my job to make you think -- and also, to make you look up things yourself. I pepper my posts, quite deliberately, with what I call "little mysteries for my readers to solve."
Little mysteries like: Was it Aristotle or Socrates who said that, and further, who cares?
Or: How do you actually spell Sharyl Attkisson? I kind of give you a Multiple Choice test every time the name comes up, giving you four or five versions of the spelling, permitting you, the Engaged Reader, to select the spelling that makes the most sense to you.
Other bloggers don't have that level of respect for their readers. I alone do.
Like Michele Obama said, the age of you just being content to accept things is over. Michele Obama -- and I -- are hear to make you work.

*Michelle
*here

Posted by: BrokenNewsMike at January 23, 2013 08:24 PM (EMn3q)

399 >> Uhhh...women are already coming back scarred and maimed and horribly disfigured. Or hasn't anyone noticed? Guess not. Becausethose aren't "combat" injuries. Those are just "warzone" injuries. I suppose you can explain thedifference to the doctors who are amputating their limbs.

Hello, Albert Einstein, deep thinker of those things that must be deeply thought.

We also never thought they should be exposed to these horrors even with "fluid battle lines" or "non combat zones except they're shooting at us maybe it's combat zones" places where they can be wounded or killed. But that Rubicon was crossed ten years ago. Now we're at the next one.

Yay us.

Idiot.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at January 23, 2013 08:46 PM (pUqSw)

400 A society that does not protect its women and children from danger will not last very long. Men are much more expendable than women, and everyone knows that.

Posted by: cranky-d at January 23, 2013 09:02 PM (KYUjK)

401 They will reach equality when they register for the draft.

Posted by: Bufalobob at January 23, 2013 09:09 PM (x+7qA)

402 Alright, so I'm going to to go off and rant about something that I unfortunately discuss a little too much: the Corps
DiogenesLamp, your nephew is more than likely a sexist. I know this because I have gone through both enlisted and officer training (incidentally there are only female recruits at MCRD Parris Island as has previously been stated). Quite a few of the guys are legitimately sexist and simply resent women. Sure, in bootcamp they drive you to hate the poor dummy who forgot to shave so the whole platoon is fucked with; but that's to be expected. But some guys truly resent woman and sadly I have met these "gentleman" (usually devoutly religious) in both enlisted and officer training. And in the end, they are ignorant. For every lazy ass bitch Marine, there is a shitbag male Marine that gets fat and nasty on leave and gets hit with weight issues. For every lazy ass bitch that gets preggo to avoid deployment, there is a dumbass malingering male who does drugs to try and get out of the Corps. Women have certain advantages over men in certain roles. Women will probably never be SEALs (and for all you haters who think we will lower standards, fuck off. Im still in and my Corps is still lean mean and motherfucking green) but women have faster reflexes than men-they can fly jets. Women weigh less than men-more room for ammo and fuel and tanks. Women are actually far less sentimental than male doctors in triaging male patients (these statements come from an IDF report). So women have their place and sorry Dave but if I had a pussy and tits I'd be mighty pissed at someone like you knowing better than me whether or not I could handle it. (Wait aren't we pissed at the federal gov for "knowing more" than us?). So yeah, women will do just fine, and some will do much better than others. Same with men

Posted by: Danny at January 23, 2013 09:10 PM (hAsz0)

403 *ammo and food within tanks

Posted by: Danny at January 23, 2013 09:12 PM (hAsz0)

404 400-Give me a break bro. We have so many males lining up for combat that only .45% of our country has served. Like we really will endanger so many women by letting more of the .45% engage in combat arms.

A society where both free men and women have the privilege to serve and to die for the nation is yet another thing that makes us different than the raghead fuckers.

Posted by: Danny at January 23, 2013 09:16 PM (hAsz0)

405 What are combat rolls and how are they served? Maybe a little butter and jam?

Posted by: Jose Wales at January 23, 2013 09:44 PM (lPbS1)

406 405-you can also use cheese spread or peanut butter, but sadly butter does not come in MREs

Posted by: Danny at January 23, 2013 10:07 PM (hAsz0)

407 Traditional warfare involved populations that fought each other over centuries. The men would kill the men and kidnap and breed with the women when they can. They did not wipe out the enemy in a single battle, but over a series of battles over scores and scores of years.

That is why women didn't fight. The secret to military success in band-level societies was not winning on the field of battle, but out-procreating the other group.

How many babies can 10 men and 10 women have every year? Answer--10.

How many babies can 1 man and 10 women have every year? Answer--10.

The Vagina--Nature's first weapon of mass-destruction.


Posted by: Professor Kasper Hauser at January 23, 2013 10:10 PM (7x9pP)

408 "A society where both free men and women have the privilege to serve and to die for the nation is yet another thing that makes us different than the raghead fuckers."

rmde

Posted by: JDP at January 23, 2013 10:33 PM (8HhF2)

409 is Danny that same douche who was blabbing prior to the election about how prostitution was A-OK

Posted by: JDP at January 23, 2013 10:37 PM (8HhF2)

410
407-Let's face it Professor, traditional warfare is not something which we have faced in decades. And I find it irrelevant to cloak a claim in historical terms which states that by allowing women to serve, society is failing in it's inherent duty to protect women and children. Band-level societies used rape to procreate, nowadays we don't find that acceptable,at least not in this country. (If you are Akin or Mourdouck, well....)
JDP-I don't know, douche, was I blabbing about how prostituion was ok? I certainly believe in human freedom to things that don't harm others free from government intrusion.Reagan himself said that "libertarianism is at the heart of conservatism."
PS rmde?

Posted by: Danny at January 23, 2013 11:23 PM (GTpyS)

411 Just like Obama's obsession with drones. None of this is real killing. Video games and movies. Panetta leaves in disgrace with this move.

Posted by: gracepmc at January 23, 2013 11:37 PM (rznx3)

412
Oh and just so we are clear, and hopefully this will help unbunch a lot of peoples panties, but the vast majority of our military MOSs are not combat. We are not Startship Troopers where clerks and cooks alike fight. Certainly the non-linear wars we have fought have brought women to the frontlines, but once again the vast majority of jobs in the military are non combat.
Also, why must all of you peoplevisualize women in combat as women toting rifles andstruggling under 125lb packs while being slaughtered? What is much more realistic, and I can say this from my limited experience, is to visualize women being trained to fly and fight in an F-22, women servingin nuclear submarines, women being a part of tank crewsdriving tanks into enemy territory. These are all jobs that women can realistically do right now. Trying to become female infantry officers, well that didn't end well for the first female LTs to try it. And that field, by virtue of its tough nature will likely continue to naturally select women out of it.Y'all need to be askingtougher questions, like "why is it that we spend more than our allies combined on defense and yet the F-35 is barely flying?" "What role should private contractors be playing in our conflicts? Lance Corporal Joe Scmo is an infantryman and his dumbass gets paid35,000 a year, Contractor Bob stays within the wire and gets paid 250,000 a year. Why?" "How can we counter China's advanced anti-ship missiles that posea grave danger to our carrier battlegroups (one of the very few means of deterrence we have left?"

THESE questions are much more important than whether a Marine with a vag or a cock is operating an artillery piece or flying a Cobra. Goddamn and I thought we conservatives were theones to support the military!

Posted by: Danny at January 23, 2013 11:47 PM (GTpyS)

413
while i don't run my ideologyby the Reagan spirit to make sure it's OK, that quote is always taken out of context, and was specifically referring to economic policy. and of course it'd be clear to anyone who knows any history that Reagan wasn't a libertarian.
"I certainly believe in human freedom to things that don't harm others free from government intrusion"
then you aren't a conservative (and have a narrow conception of what constitutes harm.) which is fine but let's just be clear here.

Posted by: JDP at January 24, 2013 03:18 AM (8HhF2)

414 also loving the reduction of gender differences to "vag and cock"

Posted by: JDP at January 24, 2013 03:19 AM (8HhF2)

415 Sorry to burst the bubbles of all the people who aren't ready for "women to come back back scarred and maimed": But we already have. http://tinyurl.com/agxnscz

And we've been on the 'front lines' for a while.
http://tinyurl.com/deu5sg

Some have earned Silver Stars for bravery under fire:
Army Specialist Monica Brow
http://tinyurl.com/ckfxyq
Army Sergeant Leigh Ann Hester
http://tinyurl.com/dfv2rz

I did two tours in Iraq. (Yeah, I'm female) All of us endured the same hardships and exposure to SCUDs, mortars, and IEDs.

Christ people, get a fucking grip. We've been there, done that, and got multiple T-shirts. War is hell, and every Soldier who serves in a combat zone knows that better than the assholes who sit on the sidelines and bitch about gender.

Posted by: SFC MAC at January 24, 2013 09:41 AM (TLbgU)

416 JDP-Of course I have a narrow definition of "harm." Thats why Im against assholes like Nanny Bloomberg trying to take away Big Gulps and ban smoking. I'm definitely not a "religious conservative" but I certainly believe in a libertarian economic policy coupled with vast investments in national defense-just about a by the book conservative, except I'm not freaked out about Adam and Steve getting married or about Eve getting dudes off for money (once again provided it is all consensual)

Also, I am fully aware of gender differences, you may have noticed that the combat roles I envision women doing are ones such as pilots and vehicle operators, not as SEALs. I am angered by people denigrating women who want to serve, whether it's some of my close friends in my unit or by commentators who have never served (yes I am aware that there are quite a few veterans on here and I certainly treat their opinion on this issue with more respect, even if I happen to disagree).

Posted by: Danny at January 24, 2013 11:12 AM (hAsz0)

417 SFC MAC, thank you for your service, especially those deployments.

Posted by: Danny at January 24, 2013 11:14 AM (hAsz0)

418 Mac come see me when you pass a male 1st class pft, CRT and mccress. You're dead weight in my jungle honey.

Posted by: Lopan at January 24, 2013 12:13 PM (qLbdy)

419 Not a combat vet, but I've trained in martial arts for over 25 years (3d degree black belt in "hard"/contact style of Karate).

I have trained with many athletically "tough" women. But from my experience, only a few, very exceptional women can hold their own, either physically or psychologically, in any serious physical confrontation with the vast majority of men --despite "training."

I realize that most modern warfare is not hand to hand. But as an informed student of history and having been around some in this world, I do think there are many, valid extrapolations to make in terms of the ability to engage in quick, effective aggression, and to withstand the pressures of a prolonged, physical confrontation.

I think that a woman can be every bit as courageous as a man. And, I'm all for a modern army using women in logistics, etc. and even being exposed to combat risk if need be. But in terms of slating women for roles in which we want the most effective ground soldiers, I think this is pie-in-the-sky that will just get good people killed.

Posted by: NYC Parent at January 24, 2013 01:59 PM (8GA+4)






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