A "Thought About What Does It Matter?"

Obama had a scripted response to Mitt Romney in the second debate in which he turned to him and recited a pre-written, rehearsed speech in which he insisted "How dare you, sir" to any suggestion that anyone in his Administration had lied over this silly Benghazi matter, and really, wasn't the most important thing the deaths of four Americans?

It apparently worked. It's stupid rhetoric, but that's about the American public's comfort speed these days, stupid. Yes, the most important thing is that four Americans are dead; that doesn't mean that other things aren't also important. And the other things naturally draw more attentions, for two reasons:

1, There's not a great many ways to ask if someone is dead? Once you get to "Are you sure he's dead, and not, say, just hiding?" you're pretty much all out of questions about his alleged state of death.

2, There is nothing that can be done to improve the situation of the dead. There are, however, things that can be done to improve the functioning and candor of the government which made them dead.

Looking at Hillary's now-infamous "What does it matter?" screech, I believe two things:

1, this is a pre-scripted response. She's attempting to do what Obama did in Denver, play the How Dare You card, by noting that four dead Americans is a more important fact than anything else. (But not explaining why "most important" is suddenly synonymous with "solely important.")

2, I think this was poll-tested. I think most Democrats do not understand Benghazi because they don't want to dig deeply into a major Administrative failure and would like to just assume that everything went okay (except for the murders). And because the media doesn't cover it much, they're permitted to easily self-select out of the group who knows anything about this. Thus, I would imagine the most frequently offered response about Benghazi, in focus groups, by Democrats, is exactly this: "What does it matter?"

Thus, Hillary is attempting to not only play the How Dare You card (with How Can You Ask Such Trivial Questions When Their Are Four Dead Americans power-up card), but is also attempting an emotional catharsis on behalf of the bewildered Democrats who don't understand all the fuss. By channeling that precise emotional response -- "What's all the fuss?" -- she connects herself emotionally to Democrats.

They're thinking just that, and feeling rather bad about being ignorant of a major foreign policy failure that sure sounds important and sounds like the sort of thing an Enlightened Liberal Bien Pensant should know about; but in comes Hillary to reassure them that their ignorance is in fact a sort of Enlightenment. "What does it matter?!" Indeed, I imagine a lot of ignorant Democrats' heads were nodding at that-- in excusing herself, Hillary also excuses those Democrats from the responsibility of taking an interest in important affairs.

Thus, they have a big incentive to believe her lie -- in thinking well of Hillary, they also get to think well of themselves. And thus they'll latch on to it.

People love hearing things that make them feel well about themselves. Politicians tend to talk about the "basic wisdom and goodness of the American voter" an awful, awful lot just as the American voters are deciding who to give jobs to.

Posted by: Ace at 12:53 PM



Comments

1 FIRST!

Posted by: gigg at January 23, 2013 12:55 PM (41VCE)

2 And Hillary has huge meat curtains!

Posted by: gigg at January 23, 2013 12:55 PM (41VCE)

3 The downside to her strategy is that she had to deploy it in the Senate this morning.

The House members who will question her this afternoon already know about it and can follow up on that horseshit.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 23, 2013 12:56 PM (e0xKF)

4 I'm not quite dead yet.

Posted by: That guy at the begininng of Monty Python and the Holy Grail at January 23, 2013 12:56 PM (71LDo)

5
Unbelievable.


Terry Moran


@TerryMoran






Curious: What is Rand Paul's foreign policy background? Did he serve in
the military? Did he study, live, do business or charity overseas?










4:36 PM - 23 Jan 13





Posted by: Rev Dr. E Buzz Yannoglanchie at January 23, 2013 12:57 PM (ApGOC)

6 At least they got that Nakoula guy off the streets.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 23, 2013 12:57 PM (+lsX1)

7 Obama ran into bill and asked, "How's Hillary's head?" Bill replied, "She ain't no Monica."

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 23, 2013 12:58 PM (XUKZU)

8 Curious: What is Rand Paul's foreign policy background? Did he serve in
the military? Did he study, live, do business or charity overseas?

---

What was Hillary's FP experience before taking on the job at State? Lying about her trip to Bosnia?

Posted by: Yakov Smirnov at January 23, 2013 12:59 PM (e0xKF)

9 Posted by: Rev Dr. E Buzz Yannoglanchie

A Buzz walks on the barrel's edge.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 23, 2013 12:59 PM (xz0nG)

10 Oh Terry Moran is precious.

Posted by: gigg at January 23, 2013 01:00 PM (41VCE)

11 Well, we know Hillary wasn't taking acting lessons.

Posted by: garrett at January 23, 2013 01:00 PM (9T5IF)

12 Ace, I actually read your post, and I agree that Clinton did a masterful job - of knowing her audience, and giving what will satisfy them. It's like playing the Jesus card, in religious matters. Whenever religious people have a conversation, and one side wants to talk practicalities, like money 'n shit, the other side can always say, "I do it for the Lord, or Jesus, whatever". It's a conversation ender, pretty much.Clinto is a pro. A bitch, but a pro.

Posted by: tubal at January 23, 2013 01:00 PM (BoE3Z)

13 "What does it matter?"

The ambassador and 3 other are dead ... ant that can't change
... but it does matter because what is left are things that can be changed .. and obviously should be changed.

Posted by: Don Quixote at January 23, 2013 01:01 PM (e8kgV)

14 She looked like a mummy. I dont blame Billy Jeff. Speculation on 2016?

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 23, 2013 01:01 PM (9e+9n)

15 Yep, focusing on the dead relieves you of responsibility for thinking about how they got that way.

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 23, 2013 01:01 PM (GlnE7)

16 How dare you question me! We're in a Depression. Does it really matter how you caused it?

Posted by: Baracka O at January 23, 2013 01:02 PM (FcR7P)

17 Press coverage of Benghazi has always been politically motivated. Fox has never shown interest in the victims or the perpetrators. It was never about the dead, but a transparent, and futile attempt to damage the President's re-election bid.

Posted by: Jordan at January 23, 2013 01:02 PM (Hz1zc)

18 but in comes Hillary to reassure them that their ignorance is in fact a sort of Enlightenment.

I've been really astounded at how wholly ignorant of basic facts liberals have been the last 4 years and how utterly predictable their arguments are.

They really are getting their news from John Stewart. And they're proud of that. At least in the past they were smug about NPR.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 23, 2013 01:02 PM (T0NGe)

19 "What difference does it make?"

One difference is the amount of blood on Hillary's hands for not heeding warnings of an impending terrorist attack not accommodating their plea for more security. Huge difference, lady.

Posted by: Lizzy at January 23, 2013 01:02 PM (amaU1)

20 Like any other issue, no one on our side of the aisle - even the putative conservatives - had the stones to shove this in Hillary's face and hammer away. Too bad Michele Bachmann, Louie Gohmert or Trey Gowdy are not on that committee.

So, 4 Americans were murdered because of a disastrous foreign policy and world view of an administration that is at best indifferent and at worst anti-American at its core.

The Dems and anyone who support them can go straight to Hell.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 23, 2013 01:03 PM (XkWWK)

21 How come none of these wingnut senators were willing to give Hillary credit for all the ambassadors that weren't killed?

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 23, 2013 01:03 PM (+lsX1)

22 For some reason, when the radio guys played Hillary! in the bottom of the hour newsbreak, I flashed on that Monty Python skit involving British judges after a long day at trial saying "I banged my little hammer!"

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at January 23, 2013 01:03 PM (IrbU4)

23 again, the donks telegraph their moves. This was obvious that Hillary would bang the table with a how dare you, sir?

I don't know if it matters, because I don't think she "won" by doing this. But it would've been nice if there was a "how dare you" to zip right back.

Basically, I wonder how Sen. Johnson got caught by such a pathetic performance. It matters because you lied. It matters because it's your policy to not guard these people. It matters because you ignored their request for help...

and so on.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at January 23, 2013 01:03 PM (QxSug)

24 The MFM will repeat the clips most favorable to Hillary over and over and a parade of Democrats will feign outrage about Republicans "politicizing the deaths of four brave Americans"

Totally predictable. Totally bullshit. And it will work.

Posted by: forest at January 23, 2013 01:03 PM (L7wZc)

25 What difference does it make?

Well, I think all embassy staff would like to know if they're just eggs for the Obamlet.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 23, 2013 01:03 PM (T0NGe)

26
Um, didn't she just have an aneurysm?

Fall, hit her head?

Now she's all fine.

Why doesn't Terry Moron ask about that?


Posted by: Rev Dr. E Buzz Yannoglanchie at January 23, 2013 01:04 PM (ApGOC)

27 This fits perfectly with yesterday's squabble over Akin's abuse of the Abortion narrative which was a form of "what does it matter" if the woman is raped.

What matters is the MFM's treatment of the pronouncements of our supposed betters and their tendencies to step in it if their weak rationales are too often exposed.

Hillary's rhetorical question may have been poll tested among mouth breathing sheeple, but the symbolic question now reverberates in the Congressional Record whether the commies in the MFM ignore it or not.

Doesn't it imply "I'll tell you when it matters", or "move along, nothing to see here", or even better "of course you know this is a charade senator, don't overplay your hand".

Posted by: ontherocks at January 23, 2013 01:04 PM (aZ6ew)

28 Speculation on 2016?
---

Here's mine, some was posted in last post. We could (don't know for sure, but could) see a GOP field of Rubio, Ryan, Paul, Jindal and/or Christie. HOw much better than the previous two fields.

For the Dems, we could see Cuomo, Biden (yikes), and Clinton. I think Clinton would win hands down, but I thought that in 2008 too, so who knows.

My guess is Hillary will assess where things are. She is not a shoe-in by any means. But if it looks like the Dems will retain the WH, she runs. If not she passes. I don't think she wants her last legacy to be a failed WH run.

Posted by: SH at January 23, 2013 01:04 PM (gmeXX)

29 "24 Democrats will feign outrage about Republicans "politicizing the deaths of four brave American"

The outrage is real, believe me.

Posted by: Jordan at January 23, 2013 01:05 PM (Hz1zc)

30
What difference does it matter that we lied to the American people about why these 4 Americans are dead? There are 4 Americans dead!!!!

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at January 23, 2013 01:05 PM (p/cQy)

31 "What does it matter?"

When did you decide four deaths wouldn't matter? Before they even asked for help, while Barack was sleeping, or afterwards when your focus groups indicated you could skate?

Honestly, how hard would it be to come up with brutal questions?

Posted by: t-bird at January 23, 2013 01:05 PM (FcR7P)

32 AoSHQ PSA:

Please don't feed the trolls.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 23, 2013 01:06 PM (xz0nG)

33 it mattered when they were shrieking about it being caused by the "video"....it mattered to the "video" maker who sat in a jail cell until after the election...and it mattered to the families of the four murdered....J. Christopher Stevens, Sean Smith, Glen Doherty, Tyrone S. Woods

Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at January 23, 2013 01:06 PM (GVxQo)

34 It was never about the dead, but a transparent, and futile attempt to damage the President's re-election bid.

And now?

By the way, Barack's political prisoner is STILL in jail.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 23, 2013 01:06 PM (T0NGe)

35 And the IMMEDIATE Response should have been...

"I dare BEACAUSE thereARE four Dead Americans, Madam!"

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 23, 2013 01:06 PM (lZBBB)

36

The Dems have been "politicizing the deaths" of the children in Newtown.

But I guess that's okay.

Posted by: wheatie at January 23, 2013 01:07 PM (fH4X9)

37 They lied through their teeth and covered it up. What does it matter? Nothing to the MFM and populous at large

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 23, 2013 01:07 PM (1Jaio)

38 Imagine if the NTSB operated this way when a plane crashes...


Posted by: @PurpAv at January 23, 2013 01:07 PM (GlnE7)

39 There's the "narrative" right there.

17
Press coverage of Benghazi has always been politically motivated. Fox
has never shown interest in the victims or the perpetrators. It was
never about the dead, but a transparent, and futile attempt to damage
the President's re-election bid.

Posted by: Jordan at January 23, 2013 01:02 PM (Hz1zc)

Posted by: Pyrocles at January 23, 2013 01:07 PM (cv5Iw)

40 What difference does it make! Can't you see I'm now an orphan?

Posted by: Lizzie Borden at January 23, 2013 01:08 PM (FcR7P)

41 Jordan again demonstrates that Democrats are only interested in power, and the deaths of innocents are only of interest if they can profit thereby.

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 23, 2013 01:08 PM (hJesl)

42 It matters because--

not assessing the situation left those guys out there against an organized and co-ordinated attack--to die.


Immediately--minutes after the attack the Sean Smith, the information officer--(ex AF) sent out to his civilian buddies the message--

"if we die--one of our guards was seen casing out the area." (It was something like this--funny how stalling by our government is extremely effective.)

So minutes after the attack started he told civilians the attack was organized--I doubt he did not send that through the Emergency Alert System that had been set up after the previous Consulate attack.

Posted by: tasker at January 23, 2013 01:08 PM (r2PLg)

43
>>>The Dems have been "politicizing the deaths" of the children in Newtown.

I'm astonished that Hillary isn't bouncing a toddler on her knee during this whole production.

Posted by: garrett at January 23, 2013 01:09 PM (9T5IF)

44 The attack lasted for seven hours.

Posted by: tasker at January 23, 2013 01:09 PM (r2PLg)

45 Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at January 23, 2013 01:03 PM (QxSug)

Scripted Soundbite for the Evening News.... Hollywood meets Washington.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 23, 2013 01:09 PM (lZBBB)

46 **a transparent, and futile attempt to damage
the President's re-election bid. **

because he's a bad president who fucked up invading libya getting many people killed along the way while hiding behind many lies about how killing OBL ended al qaeda

so, yeah, ending his bid was important for the country for at least. at least. that reason

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at January 23, 2013 01:09 PM (QxSug)

47 I think this was poll-tested. I think most Democrats do not understand Benghazi Fast & Furious because they don't want to dig deeply into a major Administrative failure and would like to just assume that everything went okay

Everything with this admin is interchangeable. BUT, Most Transparent Administration(tm) evah!

Posted by: rickb223 at January 23, 2013 01:09 PM (pz3Br)

48 Children died at Sandy Hook elemental school ... "What does it matter?"

Almost 3000 American died on 9/11/01 ... "What does it matter?"

US bonds are headed to another downgrade ... "What does it matter?"

The sequestor will hurt US defenses ... "What does it matter?"

US foreign policy is out of control ... "What does it matter?"

Hiliary Clinton wants to run for President ... "What does it matter?"

Posted by: Don Quixote at January 23, 2013 01:10 PM (e8kgV)

49

no doubt they focus-tested this sh*t

and, carefully tried to construct a response -- while she was hiding out for a time (health or no health issues -- I really do not care)

Posted by: frozenbeach at January 23, 2013 01:10 PM (LpQbZ)

50 She and Obama can get away with that response only because the MFM let them. WaPo and The Hill are already making her a hero in fighting back against the evil Johnson Torquemada inquisitor.


And the Republicans will wimp out and move on.

Posted by: Vic at January 23, 2013 01:10 PM (53z96)

51 Just heard that Hillary DOES have to go and testify at the House. I would think that she will be grilled somewhat more effectively, but I do not hold out hope.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 23, 2013 01:10 PM (XkWWK)

52 >>>21 How come none of these wingnut senators were willing to give Hillary credit for all the ambassadors that weren't killed?

She created or saved all of them!

Posted by: El Kabong at January 23, 2013 01:10 PM (tJAc6)

53 1993: "would-a could-a should-a"

what different does it make indeed: most of the media will cover her fat backside whichever way they can; anyone who accuses her of lying or incompetence will be trashed on the evening news for "insensitivity". She lost a dear friend in Benghazi!

Posted by: mallfly at January 23, 2013 01:11 PM (bJm7W)

54 meh, I think you give the american people too little credit. This is a stupid piece of performance by a stupid woman who's still riding her husband's coattails

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at January 23, 2013 01:11 PM (QxSug)

55 The hearing room equivalent of pleading the Fifth Amendment. Thanks for clarifying that, Secretary Clinton.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - sees the gods of the copybook headings on the horizon at January 23, 2013 01:11 PM (hLRSq)

56 She created or saved all of them!

---

She created my girlfriend!

Posted by: Manti Te'o at January 23, 2013 01:11 PM (e0xKF)

57 Democratic politicians think they're smart and Americans are stupid.

After this last election, it's hard to argue with the second part.

"What difference does it make?"

Next statement: "At this point it is our job to figure out what happened."

And that flies as coherent.

Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at January 23, 2013 01:11 PM (1vNdN)

58 Let them eat falafel.

Posted by: hillarytoinette at January 23, 2013 01:11 PM (ORGYc)

59 She should have just said "That was then, this is now, I have a headache".

If that POS ends up as President in 4 years it will be the most perverted knock-knock joke in world history.

Who's there?
What difference does it make?

Posted by: ontherocks at January 23, 2013 01:11 PM (aZ6ew)

60 Nobody cares.

Correction.

Not *enough* people who vote care. You think the Free Shitters give a fuck about four dead honkeys in a country they have not a Goddamned hope in hell of locating on a globe? Or of spelling "globe?"

Pax Americana is winding down. The majority of Americans who vote are either soft, ignorant babies who stay on the teat from cradle to grave, or guilt-ridden liberals who detest the system that has made them affluent enough to sit around and bitch about how horrible conditions are when the poorest among us are fantastically rich by comparison to anyone in South America, Central America, Asia, and Africa.

It's the curse of affluence. No one is allowed to starve in America. Or go without shelter. Or clothing. Or cell phones.

On top of that, there is a 24/7 drumbeat from every media outlet, including half of Fox News, confirming their worst prejudices: that even *trying* to succeed is for chumps, because They won't let you. And if you have succeeded? You're They, and you're the enemy, motherfucker.

We're past the tipping point. There are no more economic, principled or rational arguments to make. There isn't enough of an audience to listen to it.

Sorry. Shitstorm's a-comin'. Better haul in the jib and reef the mainsail.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 23, 2013 01:12 PM (mOyDx)

61 Clinton wasn't talking to us. Her obfuscations were for her faction. How "we" feel/think about any event, now, is an irrelevance to the regime. She did her show for the Dems/Media, but I repeat myself. The Occupy Washington group feels invincible.

Posted by: tubal at January 23, 2013 01:12 PM (BoE3Z)

62 Yes, the response was incredibly stupid and brazen and brazenly stupid. I was speechless when I heard it on the radio.

I mean, it didn't even make sense, but it's supposed to be some kind of score. But I guess since the Repub senator apparently didn't come back and tell her, yes, it is important how they died since y'all were negligent and lied, it is a score. Plus it seems a lot of people aren't smart enough to see through such a transparently evasive answer, bombastic though it may have been.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at January 23, 2013 01:12 PM (6zgse)

63 Utah Sherrifs Association to TFG


ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ


http://tinyurl.com/bcx2vro

Posted by: RWC - public school genius at January 23, 2013 01:12 PM (fWAjv)

64 Request denied, State Department. We've only got 1.6 billion bullets!

Posted by: The DHS at January 23, 2013 01:13 PM (FcR7P)

65

Why does it matter?

Hmmm...

1) victims families
2) rule of law
3) post-mortem's are especially done after failed military tactics so that worst case scenarios can be realized, and pre-emptive thinking and tactics can be finessed and enhanced

bs on them

shame on them trying to play the crying, shrieking woman card

Posted by: frozenbeach at January 23, 2013 01:13 PM (LpQbZ)

66 Yup, we're through the looking glass Ace.

Basically HOW DARE YOU IMPLIED I LIED!

//Ogabe

is now

"WHAT THE FUCK DOES IT MATTER THAT I LIED!"

//HILLARY!

so if the media succeeds at Jedi mind tricking the Public on this it means in essence the media can control elections forever.

Game Over

I want a divorce.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 01:13 PM (LRFds)

67 I don't like Hillary. I just don't. I still think she faked the whole sickness thing.

Posted by: Janetoo at January 23, 2013 01:13 PM (L3Itw)

68 I only recognize a few names on the House Foriegn Affairs Committee. I wounder who will be asking questions this afternoon. I was suprised Alan Grayson is on the list. Geez. What a joke this admin is.

Posted by: Infidel at January 23, 2013 01:13 PM (O/fK8)

69 I think you give the american people too little
credit.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at January 23, 2013 01:11 PM (QxSug)

Did you notice who won the election in November?

Hillary is a fucking genius compared to Obama.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 23, 2013 01:13 PM (GsoHv)

70 "What does it matter?" she said, using a carefully pre-rehearsed response, intonations just right, her phrasing exhaustively focus-grouped and response tested beforehand.

I suppose we are all victims of applied psychometrics now: focus groups, semantic response studies, nearly subliminal evocation of desired emotional response to keyword/keyphrase stimuli, all executed with the most advanced technology and methodologies by the most ruthless, conniving, manipulative, and Machiavellian bastards the world has ever seen.

We can't beat them at this, you know. We simply aren't good at the cynical stuff, the agitprop and media manipulation. We can only hit the public with truth and reason. Unfortunately, truth and reason only work when citizens have been taught to recognize one and use the other.

Posted by: troyriser at January 23, 2013 01:13 PM (vtiE6)

71 It matter because

1. They are dead because of incompetence of this admin


2. They lied about it repeatedly because they knew it was their fault they are dead.

Posted by: Vic at January 23, 2013 01:13 PM (53z96)

72
Why are the Democrats so smart and poll tested in responses, while we have John Boehner?

I wish we had leaders who we could march in lockstep with like the Dems do.

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at January 23, 2013 01:13 PM (WYTHl)

73 And even if we win, if we win, HAH! Even if we win! Even if we play so far above our heads that our noses bleed for a week to ten days; even if God in Heaven above comes down and points his hand at our side of the field; even if every man woman and child held hands together and prayed for us to win, it just wouldn't matter because all the really good looking girls would still go out with the guys from Mohawk because they've got all the money! It just doesn't matter if we win or we lose. IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER!
Rest of group: IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER! IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER...

Posted by: Tripper at January 23, 2013 01:13 PM (qwK3S)

74 meh, I think you give the american people too little credit. This is a stupid piece of performance by a stupid woman who's still riding her husband's coattails

For an electorate that re-elected the most disastrous president in US history.

Stupid is as stupid does.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Meadow Party 2016 at January 23, 2013 01:14 PM (GBXon)

Posted by: tubal at January 23, 2013 01:14 PM (BoE3Z)

76 meh, I think you give the american people too little credit. This is a stupid piece of performance by a stupid woman who's still riding her husband's coattails

Is American Idol on? (typical LIV response)

Posted by: rickb223 at January 23, 2013 01:14 PM (pz3Br)

77 Sick Trey Gowdy on her ass.

I forgot how much I despise that woman

Posted by: The Jackhole at January 23, 2013 01:14 PM (nTgAI)

78 I think the scripted response is also a way of turning anyone asking questions into Benghazi "Truthers". Book it.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at January 23, 2013 01:14 PM (lmh3t)

79 Yes, the response was incredibly stupid and brazen and brazenly stupid.

***

So the kind of response that won the last two elections.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 23, 2013 01:15 PM (XUKZU)

80 Why are the Democrats so smart and poll tested in responses, while we have John Boehner?

He uses polls and focus groups thoughtfully arranged for him by Democrats?

Posted by: t-bird at January 23, 2013 01:15 PM (FcR7P)

81 Whats the Republican excuse for excusing her?

Posted by: thunderb at January 23, 2013 01:15 PM (T/Lvi)

82 this is a pre-scripted response. She's attempting to do what Obama did
in Denver, play the How Dare You card, by noting that four dead
Americans is a more important fact than anything else. (But not
explaining why "most important" is suddenly synonymous with "solely
important.")

In both cases I visualize her preparing the corpses , standing them up in front of her dusting them off setting them just So.
and when she finishes the 'moment' pushing them off stage while scraping the muck off her shoes.

neither of which adds anything to How and Why they are dead and she did not prepare prior to their deaths or during the long hours of fighting to send help. (voting dems don't care)

help . those in the position and trained to deal with tasks of this type.

Posted by: ette at January 23, 2013 01:16 PM (nqBYe)

83

Come on Republicans! Turn about is fair play.

Traipse those victim's families out in front of Hillary, and have THEM ask her why she allowed their loved ones to die.

Fight these bastards all the way to the gates of hell. Then lock them in.

Posted by: frozenbeach at January 23, 2013 01:16 PM (LpQbZ)

84 Well, we know the Left has a callous, almost casual disregard for human life. Whether it's 4 dead Americans in Benghazi, 1,000,000 abortions a year, or millions of 3rd world deaths from malaria after banning DDT, the Left sees a large chunk of the world's people as simply... expendable.

So if 500+ people are murdered in Chicago last year, it's no big whoop- Cook County is still a reliably blue voting bloc.

And that's the Left's measure of the rightness of their cause: winning.

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 23, 2013 01:16 PM (8sCoq)

85 Well, apparently she's going to the House next. I hope at least the Rs have more testicular fortitude there. Trey Gowdy, please don't disappoint us!

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at January 23, 2013 01:17 PM (6zgse)

86 It also "matters" because it exposes the government as unprepared and still in denial about the very possibility that there would be--



a terrorist attack on Sept. 11th.

This--after numerous attacks on other foreign assets, an attack on the British, the Red Cross, the closing of the British and other multi-national buildings--

and an attack on the Benghazi consulate itself TWICE before on--

April 6, 2012

and--

May 22, 2012

U.S. Consulate in Benghazi Bombed Twice in Run-Up to 9/11 Anniversary
Oct 2, 2012

Jihadists twice set off explosives at the consulate prior to the incident that killed Ambassador Chris Stevens, and announced threats on Facebook about escalating attacks on Western targets in the run-up to the 9/11 anniversary, according to whistleblowers reaching out to House Republicans.

(Eli Lake--The Daily Beast)

Posted by: tasker at January 23, 2013 01:17 PM (r2PLg)

87 2. They lied about it repeatedly because they knew it was their fault they are dead.
Posted by: Vic at January 23, 2013 01:13 PM (53z96)


They also lied because they did not want to admit it was a planned terrorist attack instead of a protest that degenerated into a riot. And they also used their lie to put a man in jail as a scapegoat.

Posted by: buzzion at January 23, 2013 01:17 PM (GULKT)

88 it doesn't matter!!!

http:// www.youtube. com/watch? v=ZiDB4 XXs9oY

(take out the spaces)

Posted by: mallfly at January 23, 2013 01:17 PM (bJm7W)

89 On fed gun grabs: Time to hook-up with the stoners in Washington and Colorado and cook up a citizen initiative that criminalizes enforcement of fed gun and pot laws. 'Stand court scrutiny? It doesn't make any difference. It's fun.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at January 23, 2013 01:17 PM (qwK3S)

90 Well, apparently she's going to the House next. I
hope at least the Rs have more testicular fortitude there. Trey Gowdy,
please don't disappoint us!

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at January 23, 2013 01:17 PM (6zgse)

from your keyboard ,to well... you know who.

Posted by: ette at January 23, 2013 01:18 PM (nqBYe)

91

So now it's..."What does it matter"?

Well, it 'mattered' enough for King Barqy to go in front of the UN...and declare that:
"No one should be allowed to blaspheme the prophet."

Benghazi 'mattered' when it was useful as a way to try to destroy the 1st Amendment.

Posted by: wheatie at January 23, 2013 01:18 PM (fH4X9)

92 83 Frozenbeach,

If the price the right must pay to maintain power in a union with the blue is to debase ourselves to their level I'd rather play a new game.

Democrats want to undercut US defense of our common interests and DoD?

Fine no proble, of course considering that is the main reason there is a union in the first place, BIG problem.

Article V, break it up shut it down.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 01:18 PM (LRFds)

93 Ace, understanding Benghazi is of no importance to the modern democrat so they don't care if they "understand" it. 25 years ago you would have been more of less correct but not in this world of withering expectations. If you have the time, take a look at the Bogart/EGRobinson flick Key Largo in which the two protagonists discuss "philosophy". The philosophy of Robinson's character Rocco,stated 50 years ago, is that of the present Dem Party and well stated too, in one single word.

Posted by: mytralman at January 23, 2013 01:18 PM (KeG/u)

94 The reported last words of a dying Louis B. Mayer were "nothing matters."

Somehow, I feel that way vis a vis trying to combat the bastards who are killing the country.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 23, 2013 01:18 PM (XkWWK)

95 Dead people have never been a problem to either Clinton.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 23, 2013 01:18 PM (6Idw6)

96 Reminds me of Moveon.org's creation. The left was incapable of defending Bill Clinton's behavior and that made them feel bad, so they said we need to "move on."
Arguing that the country needed to "move on" was a way for dumb people to seem like they were making a high-minded argument when they were losing.

Posted by: Matt at January 23, 2013 01:18 PM (90w0O)

97 So if 500+ people are murdered in Chicago last year, it's no big whoop- Cook County is still a reliably blue voting bloc.

And that's the Left's measure of the rightness of their cause: winning.


But red states are supposed to keep playing the rigged game BECAUSE!

Posted by: rickb223 at January 23, 2013 01:18 PM (pz3Br)

98 What Hillary did here was to get--

emotional--to appeal to the emotional, and irrational Democrat base.

Posted by: tasker at January 23, 2013 01:18 PM (r2PLg)

99 Ace, I'm not trying to ingratiate myself to you or anything, but this post is representative of the type of content that makes this my favorite political site. You are so perceptive and skilled at sweeping aside obscurantism.

Oh, and your commenters rock!

Posted by: Mindy at January 23, 2013 01:19 PM (8PYbo)

100 I'll give the American public credit for reelecting the biggest lying shitweasel in history because they want free shit.

Posted by: Vic at January 23, 2013 01:19 PM (53z96)

101 Oh, and by the way Ace, you look beautiful man, beautiful.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at January 23, 2013 01:19 PM (qwK3S)

102 Hillary's opening remarks: I take full responsibility.

Hillary's clarification: What does it matter?

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 23, 2013 01:19 PM (XUKZU)

103 That whole Rome burning while I fiddled thing -- what does it matter?

Posted by: Nero at January 23, 2013 01:19 PM (RD7QR)

104 Righteous indignation and recriminations never go out of style in D.C.
*


**My shocked face**


Posted by: dananjcon at January 23, 2013 01:19 PM (jvd3N)

105 76
meh, I think you give the american people too little credit. This is a
stupid piece of performance by a stupid woman who's still riding her
husband's coattails



Is American Idol on? (typical LIV response)

Posted by: rickb223 at January 23, 2013 01:14 PM (pz3Br)
I'm afraid that often we give the American people too much credit. I mean the occupants of the country. Slackerism is on the ascendance, and they will, in fact, vote for the slacker-in-chief. Because they understand him. Obama is lazy, and perhaps the majority of the residents here aspire to a perpetual entitlement of lazy.
I am not seeing an uptick in independent rugged individualism.

Posted by: tubal at January 23, 2013 01:19 PM (BoE3Z)

106
Variable, this is Knife! Over!...Variable, this is Knife! Over!... Variable, this is Knife! where the heck are you!?!?

Posted by: Benghazi 4 at January 23, 2013 01:19 PM (p/cQy)

107 That thing I just did in your mouth -- what does it matter?

Posted by: joncelli's new all-purpose comment at January 23, 2013 01:20 PM (RD7QR)

108 They also lied because they did not want to admit it
was a planned terrorist attack instead of a protest that degenerated
into a riot. And they also used their lie to put a man in jail as a
scapegoat.

Posted by: buzzion at January 23, 2013 01:17 PM (GULKT)

look it was only one insignificant obscure guy, Barely an American at all!

Posted by: ette at January 23, 2013 01:20 PM (nqBYe)

109
Maybe the liberals have the right idea.

The vast majority of people are far to stupid to govern themselves. Why not lie to them, give them a few trinkets and seize power? Once the population is placated, the radicals disarmed and the press singing the praises of a new day, everything else is easy.

No opponents will be viewed as legitimate and power can held into perpetuity.

What's wrong with a plan like this?

Posted by: jwest at January 23, 2013 01:20 PM (ZDsRL)

110 Why are the Democrats so smart and poll tested in responses, while we have John Boehner?>>

Poll tested responses only work when the MFM is on your side. Do you think the MFM would have let any R get away with "What Does It Matter? No the headline would be R's think that 4 dead don't matter.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 23, 2013 01:20 PM (81UWZ)

111 Did he study, live, do business or charity overseas?

Because attending a madrassa in a Third-World country makes you care more about American interests or some shit.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 23, 2013 01:20 PM (ZKzrr)

112 O/T: Apparently Gen. Allen's inappropriate communications didn't matter either--he's been cleared of misconduct and his nomination for head NATO commander is back on track:

http://tinyurl.com/ammyc8w

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Meadow Party 2016 at January 23, 2013 01:21 PM (GBXon)

113 I think you're pretty much right EoJ, but sometimes one man, one man . . .

Posted by: Jonathon E at January 23, 2013 01:21 PM (qwK3S)

114 Two hunters in the forest, one has a heart attack and collapses. The other calls 911 on his cell phone. Help! My buddy has collapsed. I think he's dead. Calm down, lets make sure he's really dead. Ok, BANG! All right now what?

Posted by: deepred at January 23, 2013 01:21 PM (YmACv)

115 This administration knows it can act with impunity because there will be no repercussions.

The press is its ally, the opposition has been marginalized, and a majority of the public is either too ignorant or insufficiently engaged to hold the government accountable.

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 23, 2013 01:21 PM (8sCoq)

116 Why this matters:

1. It is either incompetence or malevolence at the bottom of Benghazi. I tend to think the latter because of the arms shipments, the repetitive demands from one group or another about the release of the Blind Sheik, and the expansion of jihadists suddenly into Mali and Algeria.

2. NO executive of the United States should deliberately lie to the American people, and we have Obama, Clinton, and Rice all doing just that.

3. Who decided on the video explanation. Hillary just testified that she had nothing to do with the talking points and that the info came from "intelligence agencies." CIA has denied this. My bet is on that Donihilo guy who is a plitical hack and is working on national security in the White House. Second choice or a co-conspirator is Valerie Jarrett.

4. Was Obama even involved in ANY of the decision-making? Or was he in bed (with or without Reggie) and Jarrett and Donihilo took it upon themselves to make these decisions, which should be grounds for firing since they do not have authority?

5. How well is State Department money managed? If State is whining about needing more money for security, then let them open their books and show us why they cannot possibly cut all these things like clowns and electric cars. Or clown cars, for all I know.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 23, 2013 01:21 PM (GoIUi)

117 hey, anyone besides me getting a virus/spyware warning about tinyurl..?

Posted by: mallfly at January 23, 2013 01:21 PM (bJm7W)

118 And the IMMEDIATE Response should have been...

"I dare BEACAUSE thereARE four Dead Americans, Madam!"

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 23, 2013 01:06 PM (lZBBB)

===================

"Four dead Americans who CANNOT ask why security was withdrawn.

Four dead Americans who CANNOT ask why a ridiculous alibi about some internet video was foist upon the American public.

Four dead Americans who CANNOT ask why a private citizen in California was jailed after you gave assurances that he would be.

And four dead Americans who CANNOT ask why NOTHING has been done to apprehend those responsible for this outrage.

That is why I "dare" to ask these questions, because they cannot."

Yeah, it's really not that hard...

Posted by: Nighthawk at January 23, 2013 01:22 PM (RSqz2)

119 What's wrong with a plan like this?

I thought we euthanized you.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 23, 2013 01:22 PM (ZKzrr)

120 Wheatie

way to destroy the first amendment

interesting how they Always actually do use a crisis to take away american ideals

Posted by: ette at January 23, 2013 01:22 PM (nqBYe)

121 I'm not convinced the "what does it matter" answer is a winner. Isn't the purpose of this Hearing to give the details of what did happen? OK so maybe the true believers will like the answer and the obligatory banging of the table but to everyone else isn't this just a big FYNQ.

Additionally what sounds like a good retort initially won't even make sense let alone sound good later.

Posted by: ADK46er at January 23, 2013 01:23 PM (Z7ig3)

122 Yes, but logically my first question is why are they dead?

Realistically, they are dead. But in ordered emotion it becomes;

- They are dead. I need to deal with that death. I am sad, angry, confused.
- Next, why are they dead? Was in natural or unnatural? If unnatural- why?
- Is there someone I can target my anger at because they caused that death?

That's all (the emotional logic) on a very personal basis. But I would argue it is not unlike a collective national emotion. Up until now that is.

I believe one effect of the Obama Presidency is that lack of a collective, national emotion. We are divided more than ever. In the process we've lost some of that national collective emotion. The "we". We've become rich, poor, takers, etc., etc.

So I think much of the national consciousness has been lost. This type of emotional strawman argument plays to that despicable theme.

Posted by: Marcus at January 23, 2013 01:23 PM (GGCsk)

123 This administration knows it can act with impunity because there will be no repercussions.

The press is its ally, the opposition has been marginalized, and a majority of the public is either too ignorant or insufficiently engaged to hold the government accountable.
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 23, 2013 01:21 PM (8sCoq)--- This times a fucking thousand!

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at January 23, 2013 01:23 PM (R8hU8)

124 Bill Bennet wrote a book called "The Death of Outrage" about Bubba's perjury.

I think it describes our decline very well - outrage is dead. There is such deep rooted cynicism and ignorance in the American public that Washington has free reign to be sleazy and tyrannical.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 23, 2013 01:23 PM (hjRtO)

125 The Democratic Party:

Making ignorance a virtue since 1832

Posted by: logprof at January 23, 2013 01:23 PM (StDOM)

126 I still remember my outrage when Obama gave his little "bump in the road" speech in Vegas while his mindless, cult-like disciples screamed "FOUR MORE YEARS."

Um, yeah, fucktard. 4 dead Americans - YOUR EMPLOYEES, are "bumps in the road."

But what the hell, 4 MORE YEARS, amiright?

And the low-info voters couldn't care less.

Let it fucking burn.

Posted by: BlueStateRepub at January 23, 2013 01:23 PM (7ObY1)

127 With the debt limit debate going, Hillary's debut, there's much suspense and drama. I'm thinking there needs to be a reality show........

Posted by: Soona at January 23, 2013 01:23 PM (U9S0G)

128 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 23, 2013 01:12 PM (mOyDx)

You realize if there is a shitstorm, the voters will demand subsidized shit slickers for raingear. And Republicans will deliver.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows being American means free rubbers and gun control at January 23, 2013 01:23 PM (LyF0H)

129 It doesn't seem to matter. The voters only seem to care about raping the future of their own chldren.

The Rs should drop the "no tax party" thing and become the Responsible Party. Make the shitheads pay the taxes required to support a european welfare state. That might fix some of this shit, but they won't. They are just in it for the short term gain.

A politician worries about the next election. A statesman worries about the next generation.

Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 01:24 PM (OQpzc)

130 5. How well is State Department money managed? If
State is whining about needing more money for security, then let them
open their books and show us why they cannot possibly cut all these
things like clowns and electric cars. Or clown cars, for all I know.


Posted by: Miss Marple at January 23, 2013 01:21 PM


6. Why don't they take the money that is being spent on the things they are doing wrong and spend it on doing things the right way? That would eliminate the need for more money.

Never mind. I just answered my own question.

Posted by: huerfano at January 23, 2013 01:24 PM (bAGA/)

131 Help! My buddy has collapsed. I think he's dead. Calm down, lets make sure he's really dead. Ok, BANG! All right now what?


911 Operator: Why call us? What does it matter?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 23, 2013 01:24 PM (pz3Br)

132 It was just a cigar! Arafat put it in his mouth. What difference does it make?

Posted by: Bill Clinton at January 23, 2013 01:24 PM (qwK3S)

133
What she is really saying is "What does it matter POLITICALLY when my party controls nearly all of the media, hollywood, and television programming and have successfully convinced the majority of Americans that this is a non-issue?" Ask someone other than a right-winger about Benghazi, and you either get "Ben who?" or an eye-roll with head-shaking andmuttering about "Right wing nutjobs." The simple fact of the matter is that the country has been lost because (1)the Democrats have put together amajority coalition of the corrupt, the stupid, and the blindly partisan and (2) too many Social Conservative idiots refused to vote for McCain or Romney because, even though the SoCons emphatically state that Obama is the Worst President Ever (correct) and may even be the Anti-Christ, they couldn't bring themselves to vote for a so-called RINO out of "principle." Liberals and SoCons are simply mirror images of each other, and they can all go to hell.

Posted by: stringer at January 23, 2013 01:24 PM (x9s9/)

134 It doesn't matter. Obama won this one, too.

Posted by: Cricket at January 23, 2013 01:24 PM (DrC22)

135
"Well, we got an incoming message from our facility in Benghazi. Something about one of the part-time employees taking photos.
...and yada, yada, yada...
I was released from the hospital and 'm feeling much better, thank you."

Posted by: Hillary Clinton - Testified at January 23, 2013 01:24 PM (NhQJg)

136 So we ran into a little ice. What does it matter when 1200 people are dead?

Posted by: Capt. Edward Smith at January 23, 2013 01:25 PM (AsY5D)

137 Our cowardice and incompetence led to the deaths of four Americans and a weakening of the US throughout the world. We had elections to win so we made up a cock and bull story about some nasty anti-Islamic hate monger. In effect, we blamed the deaths on the first amendment and jailed the guy to prove that we were serious. Then we made a cringing video of us apologizing for the imaginary hate monger so it could be shown to our enemies, the Taliban. We lied repeatedly to our friends, to our enemies, to the American people, and to the congress. And you still don't see the humor in that?

Posted by: Hillary! at January 23, 2013 01:25 PM (XUKZU)

138 I only caught part of the CNN broadcast, but who was the Dem senator that got up in front of everyone and started licking her anus for the whole world to see?

I mean, geez......"I want to thank you for your dedication for the last four years. The world is a safer place with the work that you've done. Thank you for your tireless work to end corruption and to work toward transparency in government....."

I sharted........

Posted by: © Sponge at January 23, 2013 01:25 PM (xmcEQ)

139 Think of the lives that could be saved by an honest media...

Or don't. What does it matter, after all?

Posted by: t-bird at January 23, 2013 01:25 PM (FcR7P)

140 I mean, it didn't even make sense,

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at January 23, 2013 01:12 PM (6zgse)



She could have said "scrambled eggs" before it and "Slurpee's for all!" after, and it wouldn't matter. They just needed THAT soundbite. That's all.

Posted by: frozenbeach at January 23, 2013 01:26 PM (LpQbZ)

141 139
I only caught part of the CNN broadcast, but who was the Dem senator
that got up in front of everyone and started licking her anus for the
whole world to see?

I mean, geez......"I want to thank you for
your dedication for the last four years. The world is a safer place with
the work that you've done. Thank you for your tireless work to end
corruption and to work toward transparency in government....."

I sharted........


Posted by: © Sponge at January 23, 2013 01:25 PM (xmcEQ)























Didn't see that, but it sounds like that fool Durbin.

Posted by: tubal at January 23, 2013 01:26 PM (BoE3Z)

142 As much as I joke about (and hope for).a national divorce, it isn't happening. Instead, we'll all plod along. Another day.older and deeper in debt. Perpetual unemployment, a lost generation (mine. Thanks, guys) a cultural flood of people who refuse to melt into the pot.

Our leaders will continue to lie, and our great conservative hopes will continue to disappoint.

So what difference does it make? Our best days arebehind

Posted by: Lauren at January 23, 2013 01:26 PM (wsGWu)

143 :::106
Variable, this is Knife! Over!...Variable, this is Knife! Over!... Variable, this is Knife! where the heck are you!?!?
Posted by: Benghazi 4 at January 23, 2013 01:19 PM (p/cQy):::

HILLARY: "Shut it down."

RADIO OPERATOR looks at HILLARY incredulously

RADIO OPERATOR: "But they're-"

HILLARY: "I said shut it down!"

HILLARY turns and walks out of command trailer.

RADIO OPERATOR slowly turns to his console. We hear the sounds of gunfire and calls for help on the radio as he flicks the power to OFF.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 23, 2013 01:26 PM (mOyDx)

144 bumps in the road.
Hell man, you clowns are so testy.
Didn't you appreciate i had Beyonce and JayZee to see.
srsly you want me to stop campaigning because some guys are killed?

Posted by: ette at January 23, 2013 01:26 PM (nqBYe)

145 The seven stages of Clinton grief:

1) denial
2) denial
3) denial
4) denial
5) denial
6) denial
7) denial

Posted by: Hillary! at January 23, 2013 01:27 PM (XUKZU)

146 too many Social Conservative idiots refused to vote for McCain or Romney because, even though the SoCons emphatically state that Obama is the Worst President Ever (correct) and may even be the Anti-Christ, they couldn't bring themselves to vote for a so-called RINO out of "principle." Liberals and SoCons are simply mirror images of each other, and they can all go to hell.Posted by: stringer at January 23, 2013 01:24 PM (x9s9/)I thought the "so-cons didn't vote" talking point was debunk a few days after the election. Is that you, Jimi?

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 23, 2013 01:27 PM (hJesl)

147 "What does it matter why or who dropped the atomic bomb?!?!"

"What does it matter that you do or don't have better insurance cheaper?"

Yeah this is a fun fucking game.

Save the country kick a fucking reporter in the groin.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 01:27 PM (LRFds)

148 So if 500+ people are murdered in Chicago last year, it's no big whoop- Cook County is still a reliably blue voting bloc.

It just doesn't matter, and it's just good enough. That is our future. So long as there are EBT cards and Section 8 housing for enough people, mediocrity will win. As bad money drives out good, bad and lazy voters will drive out good policy and liberty.

Our industrial society can produce enough to provide a parasite class of 47% with a minimum ration of bread and circuses for a very, very long time. Yes, the American Experiment is over and the patient died.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows being American means free rubbers and gun control at January 23, 2013 01:27 PM (LyF0H)

149 They also lied because they did not want to admit it
was a planned terrorist attack instead of a protest that degenerated
into a riot. And they also used their lie to put a man in jail as a
scapegoat.

Posted by: buzzion at January 23, 2013 01:17 PM (GULKT)


Well of course they didn't want to admit that because then when the jugeared pile of shit was out on the campaign trail saying "We've got al-Qaeda on the run" everybody would've thought "Are you fucking kidding me?" And it would've indicated that their foreign policy, in the Middle East and elsewhere, was a huge fucking trainwreck with no end in sight.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 23, 2013 01:27 PM (6Idw6)

150 Liberals and SoCons are simply mirror images of each other, and they can all go to hell.
Posted by: stringer at January 23, 2013 01:24 PM (x9s9/)

You have to be the definition of dumbass. Please point me at the last fiscon win. You know, the last time the fiscons took it to the barricades and didn't wind up sucking O's dick.

Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 01:28 PM (OQpzc)

151 Sen Jones in CO's 1st question would have been 'why did you let those 4 men die?', and after that it would have gotten confrontational.

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 23, 2013 01:29 PM (8sCoq)

152 Press coverage of Benghazi has always been
politically motivated. Fox has never shown interest in the victims or
the perpetrators. It was never about the dead, but a transparent, and
futile attempt to damage the President's re-election bid.

Posted by: Jordan at January 23, 2013 01:02 PM (Hz1zc)


I have a question.

Does cranial rectal inversion hurt? You seem to have one helluva case of it.

Posted by: © Sponge at January 23, 2013 01:29 PM (xmcEQ)

153 :::129 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 23, 2013 01:12 PM (mOyDx)

You realize if there is a shitstorm, the voters will demand subsidized shit slickers for raingear. And Republicans will deliver.
Posted by: George Orwell what knows being American means free rubbers and gun control at January 23, 2013 01:23 PM (LyF0H):::

Oh, that's depressingly accurate.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 23, 2013 01:29 PM (mOyDx)

154 By the way, I don't think Obama did this on his own. He just used what was already there.

People have been growing in selfishness. They've made themselves a priority- even at the cost of their kids in many instances.

It's the generation of "me". My needs come first. It's all about self-gratification and indulgence. The age of no remorse or guilt. The attempt to "kill" God, etc.

Obama just took that emotion and played to it. "I will help you indulge more." I will help those utopian visions be realized. I will cure your social yearnings. Remorseless sex, etc.

Now people are distracted by themselves and amenable to the emotional pleas people like Obama and Clinton make. They are vulnerable and as a result get played like a harp.

Sorry, I probably went on too long...

Posted by: Marcus at January 23, 2013 01:29 PM (GGCsk)

155 We could ask a bunch of meaningless questions about who betrayed whom or we could dance to Lady Gaga!

Posted by: Hillary! at January 23, 2013 01:29 PM (XUKZU)

156 @ 60


I call bullshit.


I watched your video--don't be telling me you won't fight right down to last call for them and your country.

Withdraw my ass.

Posted by: irongrampa at January 23, 2013 01:29 PM (SAMxH)

157
121 Wheatie


way to destroy the first amendment


interesting how they Always actually do use a crisis to take away american ideals


Yeah, ette.
This 'mattered' as long as there was a way to exploit it.

It 'mattered' enough for the Preezy to go before the UN.
But when that fell apart....it "doesn't matter" now.

Posted by: wheatie at January 23, 2013 01:29 PM (fH4X9)

158
It just doesn't matter...

Someone's been watching 'Meatballs'.

Posted by: garrett at January 23, 2013 01:29 PM (NhQJg)

159 143 Lauren,

The only way it has NO chance is if we do not care enough to even try.

As our personal finances fall use this place or twitter or facebook and ask for help.

Run to the Red and then start strengthening your circle as you get your feet beneath you.

Work these bastards into the ground because ANY mind that can accept that weak shit is NOT a fucking competitor.

We are who we are, they are who THEY are and we shit bigger than them.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 01:29 PM (LRFds)

160 54, after last November, I give the American public no credit. At. All. This bullshit obviously works. I'm tired of talking to the wall.

Posted by: Mal Gablor at January 23, 2013 01:30 PM (YmPwQ)

161 What is being exposed is we have some very naive and in experienced people staffing the National Security hierarchy.

We have Michelle Kwan's husband a 31 year old with only JAG experience in the Coast Guard as-

"Director of Strategic Planning for National Security".

We had Denis Mcdonough with this as his "experience" who at the time was the--

Deputy National Security Adviser--he has since been promoted to Obama's Chief of Staff.

Early Career

From 1996 to 1999, McDonough worked as an aide to the House International Relations Committee,[6] where he focused on Latin America. McDonough then served as a senior foreign policy advisor to Senator Tom Daschle.[4] After Daschle's re-election defeat in 2004, McDonough became legislative director for newly elected Senator Ken Salazar.[4] McDonough later served as a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress in 2004.

In 2007, Senator Barack Obama's chief foreign policy advisor, Navy reservist Mark Lippert, was called into active duty and recruited McDonough to serve as his replacement during Lippert's deployment to Iraq. McDonough continued to serve as a senior foreign policy advisor to Obama during his 2008 presidential campaign.

Posted by: tasker at January 23, 2013 01:30 PM (r2PLg)

162 153 Sponge,

No Jordan is engaging in a very valid political service.

Ladies and gentlemen who loove the Bill of Rights and our system I give you Whoredan as the guy we are forced to be in bed with.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 01:31 PM (LRFds)

163 )I thought the "so-cons didn't vote" talking point was debunk a few days after the election. Is that you, Jimi?

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 23, 2013 01:27 PM (hJesl)


That argument is null and void. The problem was that Willard was just never that fucking popular and automatically turned off a lot of people for whatever reason; which is why we got McRINO in 2008. Is it fair? No, but it is just the way it works. I gladly voted for Romney in the General Election but I knew he'd always be a tough sell for the entire population. And he was.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 23, 2013 01:31 PM (6Idw6)

164 149
So if 500+ people are murdered in Chicago last year, it's no big whoop- Cook County is still a reliably blue voting bloc.



It just doesn't matter, and it's just good enough. That is our
future. So long as there are EBT cards and Section 8 housing for enough
people, mediocrity will win. As bad money drives out good, bad and
lazy voters will drive out good policy and liberty.



Our industrial society can produce enough to provide a parasite
class of 47% with a minimum ration of bread and circuses for a very,
very long time. Yes, the American Experiment is over and the patient
died.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows being American means free rubbers and gun control at January 23, 2013 01:27 PM (LyF0HHuman life is dirt cheap to the Left, always. So says history. The Left always plays well to the heartless and the selfish. They understand human nature well. It works because they don't require anyone to do anything except just go along.

Posted by: tubal at January 23, 2013 01:31 PM (BoE3Z)

165 Ace,

The fiendish brilliance if Hilary's statement comes only seconds after her outburst, in which she turns Johnson's argument back on him.

"It's our job to figure out what happened and to prevent this from ever happening again." - Hillary, several seconds after her outburst.

Well, yeah...that's exactly what Johnson is trying to pin her down on; exactly what happened and why it happened. And here she is taking his interrogatory and declaring it as some sort of mission statement, rather than actually answering his question; "What happened, and why did it happen."

In essence:
"We have questions."
"It doesn't matter! There are four dead people! It's my job to find out the answer to those questions!"

Johnson should have followed with,
"Why don't you have those answers this many months after the incident?"

It's bizarro-world...the whole point of the hearings is to find what people knew and when, and here's Hillary defiantly declaring that it's her job to find out what people knew and when.

Posted by: Sgt. York at January 23, 2013 01:31 PM (jEvoA)

166 If the price the right must pay to maintain power in a union with the blue is to debase ourselves to their level I'd rather play a new game.

Democrats want to undercut US defense of our common interests and DoD?


Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 01:18 PM (LRFds)


I don't know about you, but if it were my husband, son, daughter, I would WANT to be up in Hillary's face. You needn't ask once. This is NOT debasing ourselves.

It is trying to get to the truth, and fighting damn hard to get there.

And, in the long "game," as you call it, we need to save this country from people just like hillary and JEF.

The current "game" is not even close to working.

Sure, LiB, shut 'er down, w/ev. But, for those that want to fight, fight right. Be a Brietbart.

Posted by: frozenbeach at January 23, 2013 01:32 PM (LpQbZ)

167 A few trillion in deficits? What difference does it make? You can't unspend it.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows being American means free rubbers and gun control at January 23, 2013 01:33 PM (LyF0H)

168 We should gen up a faux Benghazi Truther movement. It worked for the Dems with 9/11, right?

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 23, 2013 01:34 PM (GlnE7)

169 Millions of dead Ukrainians? What difference does it make?

Posted by: Joseph Rodham Stalin at January 23, 2013 01:34 PM (RD7QR)

170
Old and Busted: "Personal attacks never fed a hungry child."

New and Improved " Senator, accusations of gross negligence and incompetence never reduced the country's growing debt."

Posted by: DaveinNC at January 23, 2013 01:35 PM (boNGU)

171 Who says 4 dead Americans is the most important thing? What about our weakness? Seems to me, it more important what it all means to our standing in the world. How we handled this attack is more important than the fact there are 4 dead Americans. Obama etc are paving the way for many more American deaths. Just like Clinton's weakness paved the way for the original 9/11 attacks.

Posted by: Baldy at January 23, 2013 01:35 PM (opS9C)

172 The Republicans response to the ineptitude and criminality of their political opponents is the same as the final instructions on a box of rice: fluff and serve. Idiots.

Posted by: model_1066 at January 23, 2013 01:36 PM (7xPCu)

173 Ask the LiVs if it would have mattered had it been their sons or daughters or siblings or spouses? Maybe, just maybe, THAT will get a reaction.

Posted by: acethepug at January 23, 2013 01:20 PM (OQhDd)


LOL, you would have Chris "PEC*" Christie up in your face.


*Pre-existing condition

Posted by: frozenbeach at January 23, 2013 01:36 PM (LpQbZ)

174 Officer: There are four dead bodies here, with skull wounds, and I see you are holding a bloody pickaxe.

Orwell: They are already dead. What does it matter?

Posted by: George Orwell what knows being American means free rubbers and gun control at January 23, 2013 01:36 PM (LyF0H)

175
We're trying to find out WHO did this and they respond with "what difference does it make?"

They apparently don't care who did it.

Posted by: Dang at January 23, 2013 01:36 PM (R18D0)

176

Now, ask why all the generals are leaving or being fired.

Posted by: frozenbeach at January 23, 2013 01:36 PM (LpQbZ)

177 167 Frozenbeach,

You cannot save free shit army from themselves.

It is how we got here.

If you want to defend the Bill of Rights you need to have a people that think they are worth defending more than free shit.

What is so hard to reason out about this, the very existence of a public stupid enough to believe the media's lies to this degree, apathetic enough to let hillary think this will work, and to elect a giggling retard like Obama because of his "caring more" means we are not one nation at all.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 01:37 PM (LRFds)

178 I hate the MFM with every ounce of my being.

Posted by: eureka! at January 23, 2013 01:37 PM (HPRku)

179 What does it matter? This is not new to leftists. Millions of unborn children murdered: What does it matter?

Pol Pot killed millions after we left Southeast Asia in the 70's: What does it matter?

We have a national debt that we'll never ever be able to repay: What does it matter?

Israel is facing a growing threat to their very survival: What does it matter?

The muzzies expanding their power to form a large caliphate: What does it matter?

The list could go on ad infinitum.

Posted by: Soona at January 23, 2013 01:38 PM (U9S0G)

180 Who says 4 dead Americans is the most important
thing? What about our weakness? Seems to me, it more important what it
all means to our standing in the world. How we handled this attack is
more important than the fact there are 4 dead Americans. Obama etc are
paving the way for many more American deaths. Just like Clinton's
weakness paved the way for the original 9/11 attacks.


Posted by: Baldy at January 23, 2013 01:35 PM (opS9C)


Exactly; we have been diminished in the eyes of the world already to a point that it will call for long-term repairs to get our reputation back. This isn't an accident.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 23, 2013 01:38 PM (6Idw6)

181 The list could go on ad infinitum.

Posted by: Soona at January 23, 2013 01:38 PM (U9S0G)

What does matter? Boooooosh!!! Christiannnnnns!!! Gunnnnnnns!!

Posted by: model_1066 at January 23, 2013 01:39 PM (7xPCu)

182 @ irongrampa,

You are partially correct. I would do anything for my family, including not coming back, if that is what is best for them. I gave my country six years of my youth and a large chunk of my earnings. I feel like we're square.

Foreign invaders? I will absolutely ruck up and march to the sound of the guns.

But they're not the problem. Our fellow Americans are.

Now, I'll do what I can to support our side until it's over, but I will NOT let my kids go down with the ship. They come first. Always.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 23, 2013 01:40 PM (mOyDx)

183 >>This administration knows it can act with impunity because there will be no repercussions.

The
press is its ally, the opposition has been marginalized, and a majority
of the public is either too ignorant or insufficiently engaged to hold
the government accountable.
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 23, 2013 01:21 PM (8sCoq)



Agreed, but after stipulating that the MFM is overrun with marxists, isn't that an indictment of the GOP?And isn't a different opposition party the only solution short of LIB?

Posted by: ontherocks at January 23, 2013 01:40 PM (aZ6ew)

184 We're trying to find out WHO did this and they respond with "what difference does it make?"

They apparently don't care who did it.


Posted by: Dang at January 23, 2013 01:36 PM (R18D0)


Honestly, no one cares WHO did it in the grand scheme of things. We all just want to know WHY it was ALLOWED to happen and what can be done to prevent it in the future.

Blaming the Republicans for a lack of funds is utter bullshit and the spineless bastards better start standing up for themselves or I'm done with em forever. I'll vote Ralph fucking Nader in the next round.....

Posted by: © Sponge at January 23, 2013 01:40 PM (xmcEQ)

185 Someone's been watching 'Meatballs'.

Posted by: garrett at January 23, 2013 01:29 PM (NhQJg)


Hmmmmm....Meatballs.

Posted by: A. Cooper at January 23, 2013 01:41 PM (jvd3N)

186 Wait, I'm kerfuddled.

Our questions have been "Why are these four Americans are dead?" and Hillary's response is "Why does it matter WHY they're dead. They're DEAD, isn't that the important thing."

And nobody can come up with a response along the lines of "Why yes, yes it is, and we would like to know WHY the administration bobbled the ball so horribly so we can prevent it from happening in the future."

THIS IS SO HARD?

Posted by: Republican Stratedgists at January 23, 2013 01:42 PM (D8pR3)

187 183 EoJ,

What Obama voters are saying is that to have a nation we must spend the next 3 to 6 generations into oblivion EoJ.

I'll take them at their word, they can have "the United States' that won't realign, I want liberty the right to fail the right to gain....

My God Hillary Clinton just scoffed at the idea that she should be called to task for a failure they would be trying to lynch Bush over.

Divorce, John Edwards was right thanks to the press there are in fact two Americas even for elected leadership, and if you think the democrat voter does not see themselves as JUST as entitled to play outside life's rules you're delusional GOP base.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 01:43 PM (LRFds)

188 The Soviets had Pravda to lie for them. The Soviets are gone.

Math bats last.

Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 01:44 PM (OQpzc)

189 Sure, LiB, shut 'er down, w/ev. But, for those that want to fight, fight right. Be a Brietbart.
Posted by: frozenbeach at January 23, 2013 01:32 PM (LpQbZ)


-------------------------------------------------


I think even Beitbart would admit that at this point we're starting to run out of words to fight this.

Posted by: Soona at January 23, 2013 01:45 PM (U9S0G)

190 Sure, LiB, shut 'er down, w/ev. But, for those that want to fight, fight right. Be a Brietbart.
Posted by: frozenbeach at January 23, 2013 01:32 PM (LpQbZ)

With you there.

Posted by: troyriser at January 23, 2013 01:46 PM (vtiE6)

191 Conservatives could "poll test" responses, too, but the DM Complex would have the answer changed to "it doesn't matter that they're dead" in the public consciousness by twilight.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at January 23, 2013 01:48 PM (lmh3t)

192 Secretary Clinton offered up two false choices. Either there was a riot which grew uncontrollably or there was a couple of guys who decided to go out and kill some Americans. But the reality of a pre-planned, coordinated, and sadly successful attack on an American Ambassador was not one of the choices. If you don't know who or why, you cannot fix it.

Posted by: Mark Aloha at January 23, 2013 01:50 PM (CDk7U)

193 Something needs to be said about Hilary and her "I take full responsibility" farce.

This needs to be tackled on the front page of something relevant, but seriously, you cannot say you 'take full responsibility', and not resign, commit suicide on live tv, etc.. You cannot just go back to life as normal because you 'took responsibility'. It means nothing.

We've got half the population who believes that line makes her 'sooo dreammyyyy' which i'll never understand. Hilary has NEVER had a tough interview in her life.. she is more protected than Obama.. ok scratch that just kidding. But the times she WAS asked an 'awkward' question aka that one about Billy when she was in Africa for something, she actually flew off the handle like a spoiled teenager.

This woman is unstable, unqualified, and wouldn't get hired for a tech support job in the real world. This is scary shit

Posted by: Just the Facts at January 23, 2013 01:54 PM (2U+qM)

194 189
The Soviets had Pravda to lie for them. The Soviets are gone.


Math bats last.

Unfortunately, THIS (only unfortunately because I didn't want to spend my golden years eating cat food)

I'm late to the comments, has anyone posted *any* information on the staff that were saved. I expected them to disappear briefly, and it even made sense to disperse them, but have not heard any statements from someone who's actually talked to any of them.


Posted by: Pentangle at January 23, 2013 01:57 PM (XzLIU)

195
From Hot Air...I know, I know but this is perfect.






I have a suggestion, Madame Secretary. Why don’t you answer the questions and leave it to others to decide if the answers matter or not. If both were left to you, there would be no need for a hearing in the first place, but it doesn’t work that way.
A farce within a charade.
IndieDogg on January 23, 2013 at 12:49 PM

Posted by: Deanna at January 23, 2013 02:08 PM (d0TRX)

196 I still want to know WHY Ambassador Stevens was in Benghazi in the first place. WHAT, exactly was being discussed with the Turkish representative just hours before the attack?

WHY could this meeting not take place in Tripoli?

WTF was going on in Libya (off the books, as it were, Sesame Street diplomacy) that went so wrong?

I want ANSWERS!

It matters.

Not just any 4 people were horribly murdered in some middle east shit-stain country.

These men were sent there, on my behalf, as representativrs of my country, and I want to know WHY they were there on that day at that hour.


Posted by: Deety at January 23, 2013 02:08 PM (aOVhq)

197 26

Um, didn't she just have an aneurysm?

Fall, hit her head?

Now she's all fine.

Why doesn't Terry Moron ask about that?




Posted by: Rev Dr. E Buzz Yannoglanchie at January 23, 2013 01:04 PM (ApGOC)

She was/is an alcoholic. The media has been covering it up for a long time now, and her fall when she was "sick" actually happened when she was on a bender. People who are alcoholics tend to go on benders when a stress event happens, and if you see pictures of her in the last couple of years, she looks haggard and hammered. Plus she hasn't been on any of the talk shows in a looooong time, another way for the media to cover it up.
When the 3am phone call came to the White House it was call forwarded to State because Obama was entertaining Reggie. When the call got over to State, Hilary knocked over all the scotch bottles by her nightstand trying to turn the phone off.

Posted by: MrCaniac at January 23, 2013 02:08 PM (Zd/NW)

198 It matters because four people died. That's why it matters.

Posted by: Watcher at January 23, 2013 02:18 PM (RQfiQ)

199 Posted by: MrCaniac at January 23, 2013 02:08 PM (Zd/NW)



Yes to all of this, particularly how she doesn't give a damn about how she looks. When she was VP, she may not have been pretty but she always looked presentable and had hair styles that were at least somewhat flattering. Now she looks like a witch's nightmare and somebody who doesn't give a flying fuck about it. With the coin she's hauling down there is no reason for that other than she just doesn't care.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 23, 2013 02:34 PM (6Idw6)

200 No.

It actually matters a little bit more than four people dead.

These were *our* people!

WHY was Ambassador Stevens and his staff even there?

On that day, at that hour?

WHY was it so important to deny security back-up from Italy for 16 hours, to cover up the Ambassadors presence in Benghazi?



Posted by: Deety at January 23, 2013 02:39 PM (aOVhq)

201
Yes to all of this, particularly how she doesn't
give a damn about how she looks. When she was VP, she may not have been
pretty but she always looked presentable and had hair styles that were
at least somewhat flattering. Now she looks like a witch's nightmare and
somebody who doesn't give a flying fuck about it. With the coin she's
hauling down there is no reason for that other than she just doesn't
care.


Posted by: Captain Hate at January 23, 2013 02:34 PM (6Idw6)

And the "defiance" on being called out when she fucked up while being drunk.
I come from a huge family of alcoholics, and her actions are just like my family members.

Posted by: MrCaniac at January 23, 2013 02:52 PM (Zd/NW)

202 That Hillary! and by extension, at least, Zero denied pre-9/11/12 requests for security is a scandal.

That they dithered during the attack is another scandal.

Yet another scandal is their placing blame for the attacks on a video.

But the bigger scandal is right in front of us: Benghazi is the Libyan hotbed of Islam. Benghazi was the source of al Qaeda foreign fighters which showed up in Iraq. Why did we have a consulate there? WTF was our CIA doing there?

As Qaddafi was being deposed, his military lost control of 20,000 MANPADs, among other weapons. In my non-moron life, I am an airline pilot, and I'll tell you: That gets my attention.

It is my theory that the CIA was there to search the Libyan black markets to buy as many of these weapons as they could, and if that were all that they were doing, then I'd give them credit for doing this.

However, what many in the West miss is that not only does the Islamic world hate the West, but they hate each other. An Islamic civil war is still raging. A decade ago, it was fought in Iraq, with al Qaeda (Sunni) engaging in sectarian violence with the Shia, who got their support from Iran. Today, that war is being fought in Syria.

Assad is an Alawite...a sect of Shia. The Russians are supporting him because they have had problems of their own with their Muslim Chechens, who are Sunni. The Sunni Arab League and al Qaeda are supporting the rebels against Assad.

My theory continues: What would our CIA do with all these weapons acquired in Libya? I believe they're sending or brokering these weapons to Syria. This would mean that we're indirectly sending weapons from one al Qaeda group to another.

This whole thing is Iran-Contra to the next power.

Posted by: azlibertarian at January 23, 2013 03:13 PM (HiC+5)

203 Boner will get to the bottom of this you watch.


Posted by: nip at January 23, 2013 03:37 PM (11Tdq)

204 it matters because WE DON"T WANT IT TO HAPPEN AGAIN (and again, and again....), or at a larger scale. 'But those four are already dead!'. Yes, let's not make it 40, or 400.

Posted by: MontyWa at January 23, 2013 03:39 PM (onTvA)

205 I have my new reply when libbies berate me about Iraq..."what does it matter?"

Posted by: sexypig at January 23, 2013 03:44 PM (dZQh7)

206 Anyways, this scandal has 3 parts, which taken separately are not that huge, but when combined create a clusterfuck.

1) Lack of security. Who made those decisions and have they been fired or not?

2) Lack of response by our teams in the area. Lack of firing on ground targets.

3) The video lie. Keep in mind Clinton told a bereaved parent they were going to get the video guy.

I think they will skate due to the 3 parts of the scandal each one not adding up to quite enough in the current media environment.

Posted by: sexypig at January 23, 2013 03:49 PM (dZQh7)

207 People, please stop with the idea that Hillary's answer was some kind of brilliant response... Would it have been wise for Johnson to just simply state that it does matter? Of course but none the less Hillary now gets to live with the "why does it matter" statement concerning 4 dead Americans for the rest of her life. It doesn't matter how many frequent miles she logged as Secretary of State the only thing people are going to remember about her Tenure is her response at this hearing.

BTW Sharyl Atkisson (CBS) and someone from the Washington Post have already given Hillary the answer Johnson should have given.

Posted by: ADK46er at January 23, 2013 03:57 PM (Ignq0)

208
It mattered the wholef**king seven hours of the gun fight. when some deaths might have been prevented
and it matters now! Knowing thewhy and how is what keeps the mistake from being repeated - of course if you are liberal then there was no mistake so of course it doesn't matter. Liberalism is a mental defect and should be listed in Physician's Desk Reference with pics of obama and hillary as examples.

Posted by: ladyliberty at January 23, 2013 06:41 PM (h5Osf)

209 "Fox has never shown interest in the victims'"
-- bullshit. One of their dads was on all 3 primetime shows, plus the backstories of the men were given, more than once.

Posted by: wankette at January 23, 2013 06:42 PM (kSBJy)

210 Every aspect of this security fiasco needs analyzed. Every comment, every action, every non-action, every disclosure, every non-disclosure, and every grain of sand related to this. This is the difference it makes in order to prevent further attacks upon US citizens by terrorist groups. She is not qualified to hold this office and good ridance. To be more interested in scoring a point rather than serious analysis is the stuff of the modern democratic party. The Republicans on the dias are slow, unprepared, ask wrong questions, talk to long and seem to act with no common goal.

Posted by: mikulin at January 23, 2013 07:11 PM (vmyXX)

211 I took it as:
"The election's over, we won, so WHAT DOES ANY OF THIS BENGHAZI SHIT MATTER NOW?! Who fucking CARES! YOU LOST! Give me a fucking BREAK with this shit, it's OLD, it's OVER, you got your asses kicked and I'm gonna be PRESIDENT IN FOUR YEARS, assholes."

Nobody's going down for this. Nobody.

Posted by: Jason M at January 23, 2013 08:31 PM (j2t7C)

212 Lawyers say when you have the facts on your side, pound the facts. When you don't, pound the table. Hillary was pounding the table when she said what did it matter?

In other words, "Pay no attention to those lies I told you months ago! Pay attention to the lies I'm telling you now! At least, until they are superseded by my future lies."

Posted by: Tantor at January 23, 2013 09:26 PM (LBUCy)

213
am i banned?

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at January 25, 2013 04:56 PM (ttwHG)






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