House Voting On Debt Ceiling Suspension UPDATE: Plan Passes 285-144

Background here.

Boehner is now speaking on the floor in favor of the plan. He thinks he has the vote and even I don't think he's stupid enough to bring this to the floor without knowing it's going to pass. But it's Boehner and the GOP, so....

House Democrat leadership is opposing the maneuver but aren't whipping against it.

Senate Democrats don't seemed too worked up about it either way, so it'll probably pass. And then....who knows.

Update (12:47 eastern): As happens often with the House, they ran long. The House is now voting on a Democratic motion to recommit with instructions that will be killed. Then they will move on to the underlying bill.

The House passed the plan with a majority of Republicans voting yes. The "Boehner Rule" of getting 1 for 1 spending cuts for hikes in the debt ceiling is dead.

Posted by: DrewM. at 11:53 AM



Comments

1 Yes, it will pass. The Party of stupid has sold us out again. They are dead to me.

Posted by: Vic at January 23, 2013 11:55 AM (53z96)

2 Even if it passes the House, has the Senate said it will even take it up, much less pass it?

Has Obama said he'd pass it?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 23, 2013 11:55 AM (f9c2L)

3 Who has the smores?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 23, 2013 11:55 AM (fLln5)

4 we are so fucked

LET IT BURN

Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at January 23, 2013 11:56 AM (GVxQo)

5 Obama said he wouldn't accept any short term plan.

But if he does, the MFM will still say he won and how smart he is.

Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 11:56 AM (nr/As)

6 Hairy said it will pass the Senate, why shouldn't. It is a capitulation.

Posted by: Vic at January 23, 2013 11:56 AM (53z96)

7 What difference does it make?

Posted by: joncelli's new all-purpose comment at January 23, 2013 11:56 AM (RD7QR)

8 Is this gonna be another "ten year" plan?

Even the Soviets were too embarassed to do the ten year bullshit.

Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 11:56 AM (OQpzc)

9 Damn but these four hour lunch breaks are killing me. I honestly can't wait until they start assigning me some homework.

Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 11:56 AM (nr/As)

10
Boned.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 23, 2013 11:57 AM (p/cQy)

11 Who has the smores?
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 23, 2013 11:55 AM (fLln5)

Way to focus on the positive. You know, the light from burning cities can be quite romantic.

Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 11:57 AM (OQpzc)

12 Obamanomics Explained
http://is.gd/JNkdHW

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 23, 2013 11:58 AM (ZKzrr)

13 Boner makes another "deal"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdFLPn30dvQ

Posted by: Vic at January 23, 2013 11:58 AM (53z96)

14
Hairy said it will pass the Senate, why shouldn't. It is a capitulation.


Posted by: Vic at January 23, 2013 11:56 AM (53z96)

^^This, it's effectively a clean debt ceiling raise with an unenforceable condition of a budget (something they'll trot out and say "we tried, but the damn Republicans blocked us again!!!Eleventy!).
So I see no reason to block it. They'll only hem and haw at it to see if they can get anything else out of the Part of Stupid (Kinda like I put in a 2nd counter on my house just to see what would happen, even though I liked the seller's counter. He caved, I saved 5 grand.)

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at January 23, 2013 11:58 AM (W8k4K)

15 VFR. Ceiling, unlimited.

Posted by: Sky Pilot at January 23, 2013 11:59 AM (sHqf1)

16 Invictus, gallows romantic humour is about all I have left. Shall we walk off the plank side by side good sirrah?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 23, 2013 11:59 AM (fLln5)

17 What difference does it make, when you've got four dead years in America?

Posted by: Roy at January 23, 2013 11:59 AM (VndSC)

18 Mrs. North enjoys watching the doomsday prepper show on NatGeo. She won't go a single segment without telling me she thinks the people are crazy.

In fairness, NatGeo seems to pick crazy people to profile. But when she's watching, she doesn't appear to treat the subject lightly. She looks as if she's learning...

Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 11:59 AM (nr/As)

19 I yield to the floor.

Posted by: Representative Blood Clot at January 23, 2013 11:59 AM (/ZZCn)

20 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 23, 2013 11:59 AM (fLln5)


Hey, I wanna come too.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 23, 2013 11:59 AM (l86i3)

21 until they start assigning me some homework.
Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 11:56 AM (nr/As)

Maybe you could offer to help the chapter of Nymphomaniacs Annonymous with computer things.

Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 11:59 AM (OQpzc)

22 No.. I think it is the right approach IF they stand firm on a budget with cuts. And, with our GOP weenies, that is a very big if.

But I think the budget is the hill to die on, not debt limit.

If the GOP didn't want to pay for all the shit for which the bills are coming due, they shouldn't have voted to approve the continuing resolutions in the first place. You cannot have it both ways. If you vote for spending, you need to increase the debt limit to pay for it.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 23, 2013 12:00 PM (f9c2L)

23 We will have a debt ceiling suspension in a fashion reminiscent of a drunken crack whore with a Dollar General credit card.

Posted by: Jon Carey at January 23, 2013 12:00 PM (0It32)

24 "We can spend whatever we feel like. The debt ceiling doesn't apply to us. We won. Fuck you."

Posted by: MadisonConservative at January 23, 2013 12:00 PM (Y/HG5)

25 I will just notify Amex and Chase that I am eliminating my debt ceiling,

Posted by: Clemenza at January 23, 2013 12:00 PM (Q8Pu5)

26
I so wish they would Let it Burn, but they just keep it smoldering so we all die slowly of smoke inhalation.


Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 23, 2013 12:00 PM (p/cQy)

27 >>>Maybe you could offer to help the chapter of Nymphomaniacs Annonymous with computer things.



They call it "Facebook" now

Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 12:01 PM (nr/As)

28 Meh

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at January 23, 2013 12:01 PM (FKQng)

29 They call it "Facebook" now
Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 12:01 PM (nr/As)


LOL

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 23, 2013 12:02 PM (l86i3)

30 OSP, Invictus, and Sean. If this is truly from the BND. I think we need their drugs.

http://tinyurl.com/b73n2ch

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 23, 2013 12:02 PM (fLln5)

31 Invictus, gallows romantic humour is about all I have left. Shall we walk off the plank side by side good sirrah?
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 23, 2013 11:59 AM (fLln5)

If that is all we have. But, can I interest you in the life of a pirate? I hear it has become profitable again. Once we have enough ships, we can go conquer Belize and be royalty.

Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 12:02 PM (OQpzc)

32 Better to restart Port Royal on Jamaica.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 23, 2013 12:03 PM (fLln5)

33 #22 Stop making sense!!!


The House's entire focus this year should be a return to normal order for budgets and appropriations bills starting with the rest of 2013 and on into 2014. Call Chuck Schumer's bluff and encourage the Senate to pass a budget with more tax increases in it. See how many of those 7 red-state Dems up in 2014 vote for it.

Posted by: rockmom at January 23, 2013 12:04 PM (O/Ize)

34 Belize is a nice country, if you discount the rampant street crime and the government military police with AR-15s shooting indescriminately all the time.

Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 12:04 PM (nr/As)

35 25clemenza

let me know how that goes....i want the worlds biggest yacht....i only need a couple hundred million

Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at January 23, 2013 12:04 PM (GVxQo)

36 Can't even deal with this without wanting to rant things that would get visits from humorless folk in black suits with earpieces. Oh well, bring on the ugly, I've no more patience for smooth corruption.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Meadow Party 2016 at January 23, 2013 12:04 PM (GBXon)

37 We are clearly in need of a third party.

We had a choice between two big government guys who had passed draconian health care laws in the last election. That is no choice at all.

Posted by: Voluble at January 23, 2013 12:05 PM (qYvEa)

38 Doesn't Belize still have locked up MacAfee? Or is he roaming again, trying to emulate the Searchlight Strangler?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 23, 2013 12:05 PM (fLln5)

39 OMG, they arrested Charlie Brown!

VOICE ACTOR FOR CHARLIE BROWN ARRESTED IN CALIF

Posted by: Cricket at January 23, 2013 12:05 PM (DrC22)

40 Rockmom, stop making sense. The GOP may actually get something we want (but nothing they want, mind you) if they acted sensibly like that.

Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 12:05 PM (nr/As)

41 Boehner should also tell Obama he will be glad to bring up all of his gun bills and immigration reform as soon as the budget is done for the rest of 2013 and 2014 and all the appropriations bills are finished. Funding the government is the #1 priority, as Obama himself has said over and over again since he was elected.

Posted by: rockmom at January 23, 2013 12:06 PM (O/Ize)

42 PG get the 2013 GT500 on credit. Uncle Sam's credit yeah....

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 23, 2013 12:06 PM (fLln5)

43 "Why is everybody picking on me?"

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 23, 2013 12:06 PM (fLln5)

44 anna

i now want the ford atlas

Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at January 23, 2013 12:06 PM (GVxQo)

45 Belize is a nice country, if you discount the rampant street crime and the government military police with AR-15s shooting indescriminately all the time.
Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 12:04 PM (nr/As)

And english is the official language. Plus, I know some people in El Salvador. I think I can get us air support if I can promise at least an earldom.

Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 12:07 PM (OQpzc)

46 VOICE ACTOR FOR CHARLIE BROWN ARRESTED IN CALIF
Posted by: Cricket at January 23, 2013 12:05 PM (DrC22)


First Elmo, then Charlie Brown? Cartoon Characters of America, unite. You notice no Japanese Characters have been arrested, hmmm.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 23, 2013 12:07 PM (l86i3)

47 Why the hell is Rand Fricking Paul the only person in DC who seems to have any damned sense?

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at January 23, 2013 12:07 PM (qFpRI)

48 Just got done sending out the 1099's for the subs. In 2009 there were over 40, this year? Eleven.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at January 23, 2013 12:07 PM (l3vZN)

49 Then we find out just how much shit they can pass in 3 months of spending spree while explaining to us...the thing in your mouth won't explode....."yet."

Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 12:08 PM (LRFds)

50 OSP because the executives for Studio Gainax have been tossed into prison on tax issues already. Twice.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 23, 2013 12:08 PM (fLln5)

51 The senate can commit themselves to passing a budget because they'll make it sufficiently different from the house budget as to make them irreconcilable. Thus setting up another 4 years sans budget.

It's that simple.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at January 23, 2013 12:08 PM (W8k4K)

52 Also, stick with the sequester. Dems thought GOP would eventually cave on the defense cuts. Make THEM cave on the social program cuts! We need to get the blue-on-blue fighting started.

Posted by: rockmom at January 23, 2013 12:08 PM (O/Ize)

53 But I think the budget is the hill to die on, not debt limit.

Ha. There are no hills to die on. This is the GOP we're talking about.

Posted by: Vizzini at January 23, 2013 12:08 PM (O7Q1u)

54 There are no hills in DC to die on. Unlike Rome or San Francisco.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 23, 2013 12:09 PM (fLln5)

55 BONER: Okay, but I want two deck chairs for me and Cantor over on the stern so we can watch the rest of the boat disappear I got the water for longer.

REID: You can have two rolled-up sweatshirts to sit on. We in the Senate get to decide where the deck chairs go.

BONER: I won't settle for less than one rolled-up sweatshirt!

REID: Here's two rusty letter openers. Why don't you sit on these?

BONER: Okay, but just so long as you're not using them.

Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 12:09 PM (nr/As)

56 31, 32....

I for one plan to engage in conduct every bit as lawful as Hair Reed has and every bit as ethical as the media...

Piracy works.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 12:10 PM (LRFds)

57 PG, the Atlas is their new truck IIRC. I guess its pretty nice then.
There are also the Atlas Mountains in Morocco.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 23, 2013 12:10 PM (fLln5)

58 There are no hills in DC to die on. Unlike Rome or San Francisco.

Posted by: Anna Puma


That is only because it's swamp land.

Someone needs a'drownin'.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 23, 2013 12:11 PM (xz0nG)

59 The ceiling in my house never moves

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 23, 2013 12:11 PM (8sCoq)

60 #51 You assume Reid can get 51 votes for a far-left budget. I don't think he can. He has to get a budget that will protect the red-state 7. That will be much closer to what House will do. Then force a conference committee which Reid can't be part of.


It will be hard to do this for the remainder of the 2013 budget, but it should be easy with the 2014 budget, which doesn't have to be done until September 30.

Posted by: rockmom at January 23, 2013 12:11 PM (O/Ize)

61 Also, stick with the sequester. Dems thought GOP
would eventually cave on the defense cuts. Make THEM cave on the social
program cuts! We need to get the blue-on-blue fighting started.

Posted by: rockmom at January 23, 2013 12:08 PM (O/Ize)


Why worry about defense cuts anyway since the JEF is bugging out of every fucking place asap. Any extra bucks will be spent on homo marriage receptions.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 23, 2013 12:11 PM (j8wNz)

62 Heh...speaking of debt and taxes. We just got our W2's....enjoy the last year of some assemblance if sanity. I'm sure the the charitable and mortgage interest deductions will be a thing of the past.

Posted by: dananjcon at January 23, 2013 12:12 PM (jvd3N)

63 What difference does it make?

Posted by: Hillary "How Dare You?" Clinton at January 23, 2013 12:12 PM (T0NGe)

64 We are clearly in need of a third party.

Worked for me.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at January 23, 2013 12:12 PM (ZKzrr)

65 "59The ceiling in my house never moves
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 23, 2013 12:11 PM (8sCoq)"Pffft! Dig a deeper basement!

Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 23, 2013 12:13 PM (sHqf1)

66 Protecting the military budget used to mean protecting America. Now it protects green biofuel subsidies, floating brothels and gay marriage.

Which is precisely why the republicans will never sequester.

Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 12:13 PM (nr/As)

67 55 Truman North,

Mirror universe John Boehner:

Hey what you want free shit America why didn't you say so.....considering this fucking guy gave Solyndra 242 million to do R+D for China and no US gain send your request with a self-addressed stamped envelope to "House Fuck Up the Economy as Badly as Giggles Overisght CMMTE" care of John fucking Boehner and the GOP you MAY already be a winner!

Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 12:13 PM (LRFds)

68 Olly olly oxen free, suckers!

Posted by: San Fran Nan at January 23, 2013 12:14 PM (0It32)

69 OT. Powerball tonight $110 million.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 23, 2013 12:14 PM (fLln5)

70 It will pass.

Combined with the 10 year strategy to balance the budget and tying it to the Senate passing a budget, Republicans are finally taking the right tact.

Posted by: Marcus at January 23, 2013 12:14 PM (GGCsk)

71 Sven, the only thing that makes sense is that the GOP is intentionally taking the dive.

Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 12:14 PM (nr/As)

72 The House's entire focus this year should be a return to normal order for budgets and appropriations bills starting with the rest of 2013 and on into 2014. Call Chuck Schumer's bluff and encourage the Senate to pass a budget with more tax increases in it. See how many of those 7 red-state Dems up in 2014 vote for it.

Posted by: rockmom at January 23, 2013 12:04 PM (O/Ize)



Hahaha.
Rule #1: You do not talk about Senate Club.
Rule #2: You. Do Not. Talk. About. Senate. Club.

Posted by: Buddy PC at January 23, 2013 12:14 PM (jfUIE)

73 We are clearly in need of a third replacement party.

I'm going to pound this home until it sinks in...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Meadow Party 2016 at January 23, 2013 12:14 PM (GBXon)

74 @ 59 when you drink enough the whole roof spins..

Posted by: Clemenza at January 23, 2013 12:15 PM (Q8Pu5)

75 OT. Powerball tonight $110 million.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 23, 2013 12:14 PM (fLln5)

I'll get a couple, a momentary fantasy, always fun, worth a couple of bucks.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 23, 2013 12:15 PM (l86i3)

76 OT: Powerball

Whoever wins, I will be saving or creating $1 of wealth by failing to buy a ticket

Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 12:15 PM (nr/As)

77 Combined with the 10 year strategy to balance the
budget and tying it to the Senate passing a budget, Republicans are
finally taking the right tact.


Posted by: Marcus at January 23, 2013 12:14 PM (GGCsk)

I don't think it's the wrong track, but it won't work.As I said above, the Senate will pass an unpalatable budget, reconciliation between the two will fail.CR's for the next four years. The House should have tied it to passing a budget in it's entirety.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at January 23, 2013 12:15 PM (W8k4K)

78 In fairness, NatGeo seems to pick crazy people to profile.
But when she's watching, she doesn't appear to treat the subject lightly. She looks as if she's learning...

Of course they do. Only the crazies will talk about what they are doing.
Good for her. Sad thing? Our grandparents & great-grandparents already KNEW all of this.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 23, 2013 12:16 PM (GFM2b)

79 Call Chuck Schumer's bluff and encourage the Senate to pass a budget with more tax increases in it.

A 90% tax on any income above $50,000 made by anyone who is or has ever been a member of a Bar Association.

You see, when you tax something, you get less of it.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 23, 2013 12:16 PM (T0NGe)

80 You can have just as much fun digging an old ticket out of the trash and pretending

Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 12:17 PM (nr/As)

81 Worked for me.
Posted by: Bill Clinton at January 23, 2013 12:12 PM (ZKzrr)

Third party congressmen would still vote against and AWB and the fiscal irresponsibility of the two fraud parties. That is the place to start.

Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 12:17 PM (OQpzc)

82 78 RickB223,

Yeah so did the cavemen at some point...

that's YOUR modern democrat and free shit army member....


dumber than Fred fucking Flintstone.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 12:17 PM (LRFds)

83 91% tax rate on movie profits

Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 12:18 PM (nr/As)

84 send your request with a self-addressed stamped envelope to "House Fuck Up the Economy as Badly as Giggles Overisght CMMTE" care of John fucking Boehner and the GOP you MAY already be a winner!

Could you repeat that? Only slower?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 23, 2013 12:18 PM (pz3Br)

85 House Voting On Debt Ceiling sanity Suspension

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 23, 2013 12:18 PM (GlnE7)

86 And then....who knows.
============
Permanent Republican majority, duh.

We've now given the Dems so much, we have them right where we want them.

Posted by: Karl Rove at January 23, 2013 12:18 PM (imtbm)

87 91% tax rates on health food stores

Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 12:19 PM (nr/As)

88 Is this the 'no pay with no budget' thing?

The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States.


The wording is going to be interesting... because they SHALL be paid.... so pay CUT to $1.00unless the budget is passed?

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 23, 2013 12:19 PM (lZBBB)

89 79 Amish dude,

The ONLY problem is that they also say "when you subsidize something you get more of it..."


well I am starting to think the Federal Budget is merely a subsidy slush fund for the US bar and international court fans...

Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 12:19 PM (LRFds)

90 91% tax rates on all coffee shops without a drive thru

Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 12:19 PM (nr/As)

91 91% tax rate on union dues

Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 12:19 PM (nr/As)

92 91% tax rate on colleges

Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 12:19 PM (nr/As)

93 Worked for me.
Posted by: Bill Clinton


Pipe down. You'll wake the rubes!

Posted by: Emperor Barry the Foist at January 23, 2013 12:19 PM (xz0nG)

94 Ha. There are no hills to die on. This is the GOP we're talking about.


They will shoot themselves in the foot even before they get to the hill.

Posted by: TC at January 23, 2013 12:20 PM (vYB+W)

95 91% tax rates on wage income from nonprofits

Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 12:20 PM (nr/As)

96 84 rickb223,

It hurt my head to think of the first time, my use of punctuation and precision in my posts is pretty much inversely proportional to how angry a thought makes me.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 12:20 PM (LRFds)

97 dumber than Fred fucking Flintstone.


Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 12:17 PM (LRFds)


Hey... I WORK for a living....

Posted by: Fred Flintstone, on his way to the Gravel Pit at January 23, 2013 12:20 PM (lZBBB)

98 Which is precisely why the republicans will never sequester.
Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 12:13 PM (nr/As)

I think they should defund the army. We can't afford to use them since that means we have to drop a trillion or two on rebuilding.

Put the money in a Militia Marksmanship program, and the Navy.

Re: 10 year plans.

Those are a politician's way of saying they think you are stupid.

Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 12:21 PM (OQpzc)

99 VOICE ACTOR FOR CHARLIE BROWN ARRESTED IN CALIF

Posted by: Cricket at January 23, 2013 12:05 PM (DrC22)

They're coming for me next!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 23, 2013 12:21 PM (GsoHv)

100
91% tax rates university faculty salaries

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 23, 2013 12:21 PM (8sCoq)

101 91% income tax on all income earned in states with a majority Democrat representation

Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 12:22 PM (nr/As)

102 How are you going to get this new replacement party elected to anything? The Republican party needs fixing but not in the manner in which most of you are suggesting, which I take is , no compromise , give no quarter, make it burn .

The changes have to be incremental and forcing the Dems to do what should be the most basic of things, passing a budget, is a start. In my opinion, passing the Plan B in the House would have been the start.

Posted by: polynikes at January 23, 2013 12:22 PM (m2CN7)

103 .i want the worlds biggest yacht....i only need a couple hundred million>>

Your going to need to raise your debt ceiling for the biggest yacht.

<<1. Eclipse: $1.2 Billion
Eclipse was launched on June 12th, 2009.
It’s a mega yacht owned by Romah Abramovich. It’s 528 feet (164 metres)
and become the world’s largest private yacht. >>

http://mostexpensiveyacht.com/ scroll to bottom

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 23, 2013 12:22 PM (81UWZ)

104 64 We are clearly in need of a third party.


Worked for me.


Posted by: Bill Clinton at January 23, 2013 12:12 PM (ZKzrr)


And me too!!!!!

Posted by: Balanced Budget at January 23, 2013 12:22 PM (lZBBB)

105 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 23, 2013 12:21 PM (GsoHv)

Nah, California isn't a state with a ban on Sex Toys. Just stay out of..erg.. I think it's Mississippi?

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at January 23, 2013 12:22 PM (W8k4K)

106 dumber than Fred fucking Flintstone.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 12:17 PM (LRFds)



Hey... I WORK for a living....

Posted by: Fred Flintstone, on his way to the Gravel Pit

Yeah, at a 30 percent tax rate and 55 clams a month union dues. Dummy.

Posted by: Mr Slate at January 23, 2013 12:22 PM (0It32)

107 LOL, Cantor spox just said: with the economy on the line the last four years, the Senate would not pass a budget; now, with the paychecks on the line, apparently they will.


Posted by: rockmom at January 23, 2013 12:23 PM (O/Ize)

108 They're coming for me next!




Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 23, 2013 12:21 PM



Hey I called DIBS.

Posted by: Lucy at January 23, 2013 12:23 PM (vYB+W)

109 528ft long? That is a commerce raider in the making.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 23, 2013 12:23 PM (fLln5)

110
If there is a silver lining for Republicans, it’s that they have successfully delinked tax rates and spending issues in this fight. The next round of bargaining will deal only with government spending, and House Republicans will have the debt ceiling as a powerful card to play.

Senate passes fiscal-cliff deal; House vote next
January 1, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 23, 2013 12:23 PM (kdS6q)

111
91% tax rates on all cable news revenue

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 23, 2013 12:23 PM (8sCoq)

112 HAH! The AP is reporting that union membership is down 0.5% for public-sector and 0.3% for private sector unions just over the last year.

Let. Them. Burn.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 23, 2013 12:24 PM (wtvvX)

113 91% tax rates on wage income from nonprofits

And bonuses, and benefits, and housing allowances, and stipends, etc (lots and lots of ways people working for non-profits get rich while claiming low wages)

91% tax on gross overseas movie receipts.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 23, 2013 12:24 PM (ZKzrr)

114 House votes on debt ceiling the very day we have a dental appointment!!!!!!

Posted by: Clemenza at January 23, 2013 12:24 PM (Q8Pu5)

115 i'm going to start making moonshine.....what difference does it make?

Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at January 23, 2013 12:24 PM (GVxQo)

116 I had a funny thought this morning as I was just waking up. The porn industry should make a movie starring very regular-looking people using condoms and all. And then force the LA city council to watch it.

...as the industry moves to Phoenix

Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 12:24 PM (nr/As)

117 Hey... I WORK for a living....

Posted by: Fred Flintstone, on his way to the Gravel Pit

Yeah, at a 30 percent tax rate and 55 clams a month union dues. Dummy.


Posted by: Mr Slate at January 23, 2013 12:22 PM (0It32)


Dam Capitalist Dinosaur!

Posted by: Pebbles, now a Lesbian on her way to an OWS Rally at January 23, 2013 12:25 PM (lZBBB)

118
The ceiling in my house never moves

Thread Winner!

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 23, 2013 12:25 PM (yiIja)

119 @39:

wah, wah, wah, wah-wah wah wah......

Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 23, 2013 12:26 PM (wtvvX)

120 On a lighter note: VFR for the Dow. Unlimited ceiling.
When this bitch pops, it's gonna make 1929 look like kindergarten class.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 23, 2013 12:26 PM (pz3Br)

121 528ft long? That is a commerce raider in the making.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 23, 2013 12:23 PM (fLln5)

All we need is a country that will give us a Letter of Marque.

Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 12:26 PM (OQpzc)

122 102 polynikes,

Polynikes I have a serious question, and I want you to know that I have long respected your posts and thoughts on matters.

Why should I as a fiscally conservative, free market loving, strict constructionist voter want to continue to do business with a party that cannot call out a party that is trying to destroy the Constitution by endless paper cuts?

I am desperately trying to figure out why I want to continue this charade of a republic at the Federal level as rendered?

The media has decided that I will never get even soft bias as baseline against my views so why would I want to even remain in the blue state's thrall?

Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 12:26 PM (LRFds)

123 HAH! The AP is reporting that union membership is down 0.5% for public-sector and 0.3% for private sector unions just over the last year.

Let. Them. Burn.

Posted by: Tex Lovera


By AP you mean Drudge.

But, yes, it's a good fucking start.

On the other hand, Baracus The Anal Fistula is creating a larger menace with his health care syndicate.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 23, 2013 12:27 PM (xz0nG)

124 And then the government borrows $100T from the Fed, deposits it in the Fed to make the accounts balance to zero and the debt limit is essentially removed for the next generation.

Posted by: gm at January 23, 2013 12:27 PM (/kBoL)

125 109 528ft long? That is a commerce raider in the making.


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 23, 2013 12:23 PM (fLln5)


Longer than a Burke Class Destroyer...

Posted by: Pebbles, now a Lesbian on her way to an OWS Rally at January 23, 2013 12:27 PM (lZBBB)

126 Boehner is now speaking on the floor in favor of the plan. He thinks he has the vote and even I don't think he's stupid enough to bring this to the floor without knowing it's going to pass. But it's Boehner and the GOP, so....

I was gonna say.


So. We're fucked then. Good to know.


You know, I was pondering the emfuckening and I realized one of the reasons that the general public thinks this is fine is because hey who wouldn't like to have a credit limit with unlimited increases.


So. Utterly. Fucked.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 23, 2013 12:27 PM (VtjlW)

127 All we need is a country that will give us a Letter of Marque.


Texas?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 23, 2013 12:28 PM (pz3Br)

128 110 LDC,

yeah poppin' fresh is rising buddy I can tell WINNING!

You know he had no idea about what drives the tea party for the record.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 12:28 PM (LRFds)

129 127 rickb223,

Yup why not?

We could hire out the Texas Naval reserve as anti-piracy patrols.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 12:29 PM (LRFds)

130 Wait, they are going to 'suspend' the debt limit for three months?

So the Treasury can borrow as much money as the planet will lend? MegaGigaTrillion dollars worth? A billion billion billion dollars worth? (ten ^27?)

Uhmmm, all this new treasury paper has to be bought with dollars; i.e. sucking dollars out of the global economy, making dollars scarce in the market place, causing dollar denominated transactions to plummet in price? It's like a Fed repurchase agreement?

Never mind all the new debt that has to be repaid. Never mind all the new paper driving down the price (and interest rates up)(and making all the inventory of US paper being held by banks worth less, marked to market) of treasury paper in the secondary market. It's all an illusion anyway.

Ya, no way Obama could screw that up!

Just admit it, Obama the Emperor for Life, and go watch hockey fights.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at January 23, 2013 12:29 PM (HaYp1)

131 Sven, you've stopped making sense. Reboot! Reboot!

Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 12:30 PM (nr/As)

132
The changes have to be incremental and forcing the Dems to do what
should be the most basic of things, passing a budget, is a start. In my
opinion, passing the Plan B in the House would have been the start.
=========
Disagree.

The GOP in Texas is growing. And we are growing by taking hard-line positions. Like pulling all state funding from Planned Parenthood and voter ID laws.

Suppose the Republicans in Texas disassociate from the national party. We've enough to force the national party to accept us in the caucus a la Mercowski.

So what if this means the Dems will have more power? Tell me how this is any different from the Dems getting all they want now?

At the least, there would be one state that will protect its citizens from the federal government. As there are currently zero.

Posted by: Karl Rove at January 23, 2013 12:30 PM (imtbm)

133 I had class from 8 til 8:30, and now I'll have class from 1 til 1:30 more than likely... My 2-4 has already been cancelled.

Seriously... I'd rather be at home

But that's what you have to put up with as a first year engineering student

Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 12:32 PM (nr/As)

134 We could hire out the Texas Naval reserve as anti-piracy patrols.

Yep. Hell, the Department of Public Safety (state troopers) have gun boats. With Ma Duece's.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 23, 2013 12:32 PM (pz3Br)

135 the only thing that will cheer me up is a new handbag

Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at January 23, 2013 12:32 PM (GVxQo)

136 Suppose the Republicans in Texas disassociate from the national party. We've enough to force the national party to accept us in the caucus a la Mercowski.
Posted by: Karl Rove


That might have more impact without the sock.

Then again, TX still only has 2 senators. TX should find a few more like-minded states and then they might be able to push the GOP leadershit around.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 23, 2013 12:33 PM (xz0nG)

137 Been working on a few 2016 slogans for Hillary.

Hillary in '16
**Because I Married Him**

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at January 23, 2013 12:33 PM (zpqa2)

138 130 Skandia recluse,

I have a better idea, how's about we start laying the groundwork for a divorce?

Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 12:33 PM (LRFds)

139 132 makes a good point. The national party is doing zero for the several state parties.

If we could get the incest out of the state-national GOP mix, the way to go about it would be to change things one state at a time.

Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 12:33 PM (nr/As)

140 the only thing that will cheer me up is a new handbag
Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at January 23, 2013 12:32 PM (GVxQo)

Jiminy Christmas, you and my wife, Miss Burberry, should get together and go bowling.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 23, 2013 12:34 PM (l86i3)

141 Why the hell is Rand Fricking Paul the only person in DC who seems to have any damned sense?

Many years of tutelage at the foots of Aqua Buda?

Posted by: Paladin at January 23, 2013 12:34 PM (Id+W0)

142 Letter of Marque.

Could have shut down OPEC without a single US dollar being spent.

Could have ended terrorism without a single US soldier dying.

Posted by: Karl Rove at January 23, 2013 12:34 PM (imtbm)

143 oldsailor

that would be fun....i was just looking at a burberry bag....

Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at January 23, 2013 12:35 PM (GVxQo)

144 88 The wording is going to be interesting... because they SHALL be paid.... so pay CUT to $1.00 unless the budget is passed?

"(1) IN GENERAL.—If by April 15, 2013, a House of Congress has not agreed to a concurrent resolution on the budget for fiscal year 2014 pursuant to section 301 of the Congressional Budget Act of 1974, during the period described in paragraph (2) the payroll administrator of that House of Congress shall deposit in an escrow account all payments otherwise required to be made during such period for the compensation of Members of Congress who serve in that House of Congress, and shall release such payments to such Members only upon the expiration of such period."

http://1.usa.gov/V4AsND

Posted by: 80sBaby at January 23, 2013 12:35 PM (YjDyJ)

145 Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 12:26 PM (LRFds)

You were in the military. You were often faced with the choice of two bad options and had to pick the least worst. You then did what you could to make that least worst choice work the best. What some believe is a third choice, or creating a third party, in my opinion is suicide. I'd rather work from the inside to change the GOP. I also accept the reality that nothing is perfect and negotiation and compromise is part of the process. There may come a time where I feel as you do, but in my opinion it ain't that time.

Posted by: polynikes at January 23, 2013 12:35 PM (m2CN7)

146 Damned sock.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 23, 2013 12:35 PM (imtbm)

147 131 Truman North,

Which post?

We are trying to ruminate over what a divorced Red nation will look like....

just harmless fun, you know sorta like daydreaming about a responsible federal government.?

Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 12:35 PM (LRFds)

148 >>>135 the only thing that will cheer me up is a new handbag
Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at January 23, 2013 12:32 PM (GVxQo)


Try coloring your hair and getting your nails done with nice gel. A little cheaper and more thrilling.

Or hiring a hooker for a threesome.

Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 12:35 PM (nr/As)

149 Posted by: Skandia Recluse at January 23, 2013 12:29 PM (HaYp1)


Hmmm.... interesting point.... how do you SUSPEND a Constitutional DUTY?

Its Congress's REQUIREMENT, not Privelege, to borrow Money.

Can they then cede a Constitutional Power to the Administration?

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 23, 2013 12:35 PM (lZBBB)

150 The German commerce raider Atlantis -
500ft long
60ft beam
25ft draft
17.5 knot top speed
7,860 tons.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 23, 2013 12:36 PM (fLln5)

151 39 OMG, they arrested Charlie Brown!

VOICE ACTOR FOR CHARLIE BROWN ARRESTED IN CALIF

---

Why's everybody always pickin' on me?

Posted by: Charlie Brown at January 23, 2013 12:37 PM (e0xKF)

152 i'm thinking i'm going VULGAR though...maybe a nice bulgari bag....

Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at January 23, 2013 12:37 PM (GVxQo)

153 Speaking of Boner, I see that Hot Air is reporting on a lip reader who thinks he knows what it was that Boner said to the Obamas on the day of the Second Coming that caused Michelle to roll her eyes. It seems Boner asked Barky if Barky had had a chance to smoke a cigarette. I don't know what Barky's answer was but is he in for it now!

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 23, 2013 12:37 PM (XUKZU)

154 145 Polynikes,

Yes you are correct, I grant you everything you just said in the post I am responding to to a point.

I'll be more direct.

Why should I be any more loyal to the United States than Obama's mother, Hillary and Bill and Bill Ayers were in the 60s, than Eric holder was in his rhetoric?

I am asking why, precisely the middle of America should keep playing this rigged game where DC keeps us from using our lands to gain, and they are bankrupting the next three generations?

Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 12:37 PM (LRFds)

155 >>>147 131 Truman North,

Which post?

We are trying to ruminate over what a divorced Red nation will look like....

just harmless fun, you know sorta like daydreaming about a responsible federal government.?
Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 12:35 PM (LRFds)



No, not the content. Your ideas are always sound and they delight me. I mean your punctuation, spacing, coherence, etc

Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 12:38 PM (nr/As)

156 Yes, it will pass. The Party of stupid has sold us out again.

***

Stupid is s stupid does which, come to think of it, is exactly the problem.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 23, 2013 12:38 PM (XUKZU)

157 PG. Get a new handbag to carry home all those Powerball tickets?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 23, 2013 12:38 PM (fLln5)

158 It seems Boner asked Barky if Barky had had a chance to smoke a cigarette. I don't know what Barky's answer was but is he in for it now!

---

My guess was "What did you get your wife for Life Day since she already has a comb?"

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 23, 2013 12:39 PM (e0xKF)

159 You know, I was pondering the emfuckening and I realized one of the
reasons that the general public thinks this is fine is because hey who
wouldn't like to have a credit limit with unlimited increases.


I don't believe that's true, as it assumes the general public has given much of any thought to the matter at all.

More likely, this is viewed as "politics as usual" partisan bickering. Just inside baseball procedural voodoo with incomprehensibly huge numbers that the average person can in no way relate to.

Besides, Obama said he cares about reducing the deficit, so that settles it.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 23, 2013 12:39 PM (SY2Kh)

160 truman

i have never colored my hair...and probably won't....

i already get a mani pedi on a regular basis....when i'm stressed, spending money on a handbag is the only thing that relaxes me....shoes are a close second.....combined i'm good for six months

Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at January 23, 2013 12:39 PM (GVxQo)

161 Oh man, when will people stop saying, "Fix the GOP from the inside"?

*bangs what's left of head

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at January 23, 2013 12:39 PM (zpqa2)

162 OMG, they arrested Charlie Brown!

***

He made a lewd comment to thre little red-headed girl.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 23, 2013 12:39 PM (XUKZU)

163 @123:

No, I do mean the AP. Drudge's link goes straight to the original AP article.

Either way, it's good news....

Posted by: Tex Lovera at January 23, 2013 12:39 PM (wtvvX)

164 155 truman North,

Ah, duly noted I was multi-tasking.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 12:40 PM (LRFds)

165 Posted by: Karl Rove at January 23, 2013 12:30 PM (imtbm)

I've pointed out multiple times that the GOP when looked at locally is a positive. We have 30 governorships. Pushing a message to the national GOP is very doable.

Posted by: polynikes at January 23, 2013 12:40 PM (m2CN7)

166 23 GOP Reps in the House from TX.

2013 House: 201D - 234R

If TX breaks from the national, those Reps have to follow or they are out in 2014.

That leaves 10 from another state and we'd have some real opposition in the House.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 23, 2013 12:40 PM (imtbm)

167 We aren't borrowing from the Chinese. We are borrowing against the future labor of our childred yet to be born. This is definition of immoral pos.

Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 12:41 PM (OQpzc)

168 158 Brandon in BR,

Hey we just both got banned pre-emptively form Tepid Air....

hahaha

Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 12:41 PM (LRFds)

169
141Why the hell is Rand Fricking Paul the only person in DC who seems to have any damned sense?

If youve never seen this exchange between Rand Paul anda government hack regarding his toilet's flushing abilities, I suggest you watch it - hilarious
http://tinyurl.com/bztddk3

Posted by: Marybeth at January 23, 2013 12:41 PM (Ks0w4)

170 OT. Powerball tonight $110 million.

If I win tonight I will fund AoSHQ to become a TV Network with celebrity voices reading the comments out loud, to protect the morons. So the dumbmasses can get some knowledge.

Posted by: Paladin at January 23, 2013 12:41 PM (Id+W0)

171 What some believe is a third choice, or creating a third party, in my opinion is suicide. I'd rather work from the inside to change the GOP. I also accept the reality that nothing is perfect and negotiation and compromise is part of the process. There may come a time where I feel as you do, but in my opinion it ain't that time.
Posted by: polynikes at January 23, 2013 12:35 PM (m2CN7)

Sadly, I believe this is correct. It would create a conservative and moderately conservative canidate and leave a unified liberal base. Every election would be a Ross Perot election.

And poly, you never told the stripper reporter story. I need a pick me up

Posted by: Jollyroger at January 23, 2013 12:41 PM (t06LC)

172 Why should I be any more loyal to the United States than Obama's mother, Hillary and Bill and Bill Ayers were in the 60s, than Eric holder was in his rhetoric?I am asking why, precisely the middle of America should keep playing this rigged game where DC keeps us from using our lands to gain, and they are bankrupting the next three generations?
Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 12:37 PM (LRFds)

Uh, because you don't have the same character as those communist , socialist shitbags?

Posted by: polynikes at January 23, 2013 12:42 PM (m2CN7)

173 167 Invictus,

Correct, and the democrats are engaged in an overt cultural assault on our nation through immigration policy and lack of enforcement coupled with the use of the schools to not teach our founding principles or the case for our system.

I am running out of reasons to want a federal government, or to be in business with the coasts.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 12:42 PM (LRFds)

174 Can they then cede a Constitutional Power to the Administration?

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 23, 2013 12:35 PM (lZBBB)

Of course. Just call it something else.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at January 23, 2013 12:43 PM (zpqa2)

175 >>>158 It seems Boner asked Barky if Barky had had a chance to smoke a cigarette. I don't know what Barky's answer was but is he in for it now!

---

My guess was "What did you get your wife for Life Day since she already has a comb?"




THREAD WINNER

Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 12:43 PM (nr/As)

176 Posted by: 80sBaby at January 23, 2013 12:35 PM (YjDyJ)

Hmmm... can you say... UnConsitutional as worded?

Congress SHALL be Paid.... The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

Its a debt, under law... and Congress SHALL be paid... I can see how changing the Pay scale would pass the smell test... but this sophistry goes againt the Written INTENT of the Constiution....

And these are the guys who are supposed to DEFEND it???

/facepalm

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 23, 2013 12:43 PM (lZBBB)

177 You know, I was pondering the emfuckening and I realized one of the

reasons that the general public thinks this is fine is because hey who

wouldn't like to have a credit limit with unlimited increases.
=========
More like: When you get a refund every year, there is no possible source that could convince you there is a spending problem.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 23, 2013 12:44 PM (imtbm)

178
OT: Powerball

***

It is counter-intuitive but you have the same chance of winning whether you buy one ticket or ten or, for that matter, none.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 23, 2013 12:44 PM (XUKZU)

179 The arguments against a third party assume we now have two parties. Oops.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at January 23, 2013 12:44 PM (zpqa2)

180 172, Polynikes:

You mean "successful at getting my way and not being punished by the nation?"

You're right, I am a slow learning idealist on things, but when i finally adapt to the house rules of a game I tend to do okay.

Poly they are enslaving my son, and importing people to destroy his birthright as an American citizen on liberty.

I'm running out of loyalty to the feds and I am not sure the correct answer is to stop the flow anymore.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 12:45 PM (LRFds)

181 And poly, you never told the stripper reporter story. I need a pick me up
Posted by: Jollyroger at January 23, 2013 12:41 PM (t06LC)

I'm kind of bound with a vow of silence. I have my own stripper stories I'd like to share but I don't want to lose any amount, if any, respect I have now with the moronettes. Damn, there it went.

Posted by: polynikes at January 23, 2013 12:45 PM (m2CN7)

182 Trust me, the rope is being handed to leadership.

Posted by: cp at January 23, 2013 12:45 PM (nF4Jh)

183 What of RedState's analysis, that this is a time to regroup and use the CR deadline as an effort to defund Obamacare? Boehner did get the GOP to stand firm in voting against it. It is still unpopular, and it still hasn't really taken hold. I'm somewhat in agreement with their analysis, that all efforts should be on defunding Obamacare and preventing it from taking hold. That to me is first and foremost.

Posted by: SH at January 23, 2013 12:45 PM (gmeXX)

184 on a handbag is the only thing that relaxes me....shoes are a close second.....combined i'm good for six months
Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at January 23, 2013 12:39 PM (GVxQo)

I think I am beginning to understand why Rand made Galt a male.

Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 12:45 PM (OQpzc)

185 >>>Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 12:37 PM (LRFds)



>>>Uh, because you don't have the same character as those communist , socialist shitbags?

There is this thing called a social contract. The US Social contract is a little more complicated in that it has riders as a duty of government to defent the Life, Liberty, and Property of the Citizens of the US. If the US openly neglects, or acts deliberately in detriment to those duties, in turn, our duty of loyalty is released.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 23, 2013 12:45 PM (0q2P7)

186 Posted by: Jollyroger at January 23, 2013 12:41 PM (t06LC)

But I'll take a Balanced Budget, with a Moderate Democrat President over the status quo....

Some are so worried about whose team someone is on... that they lose track of WHY the game is played...

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 23, 2013 12:46 PM (lZBBB)

187

Go for their throats!

Tear their throats out!

Of course, this would be easier if we take their guns away first.

Posted by: Tiny Dickerson at January 23, 2013 12:46 PM (fH4X9)

188 I seriously considered trying for a local radio talk show host gig with my audition tape consisting of reading the comments here.

Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 12:47 PM (nr/As)

189 http://youtu.be/h_1PmYiZ36U

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 23, 2013 12:47 PM (fLln5)

190 There is this thing called a social contract. The US Social contract is a little more complicated in that it has riders as a duty of government to defent the Life, Liberty, and Property of the Citizens of the US. If the US openly neglects, or acts deliberately in detriment to those duties, in turn, our duty of loyalty is released.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 23, 2013 12:45 PM (0q2P7)

We can have a different opininon on whether we have reached that point yet. My opinion is we have not. Its close though.

Posted by: polynikes at January 23, 2013 12:48 PM (m2CN7)

191 None of us are anything more than the audience in MSTK3000.

Posted by: tubal at January 23, 2013 12:48 PM (BoE3Z)

192 Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 12:45 PM (LRFds)

Yup.... I gave years of my life to defend this country.... my Father did the same.... my Son now Defends it....

We swore to Defend the Constitution.... the same document THEY swear to defend, and then ignore...

If only one side keeps a contract... is it any longer valid?

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 23, 2013 12:48 PM (lZBBB)

193 Electricity prices for German households have increased 61% since 2000 – renewables blamed

Progressives; they truly love the common person. All Hail Gaia!

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 23, 2013 12:48 PM (xz0nG)

194 Tubal, Jan 24th Cinemark/Tinseltown. RiffTrax will show Manos The Hand of Fate.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 23, 2013 12:49 PM (fLln5)

195 Does this mean i don't have to pay my Master Card bill until May? Wow, Presdent Obama is really looking out for us Middle Class peeple..........

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, Vt and Proud of it !!!!!!!!!! at January 23, 2013 12:49 PM (48wze)

196 It would create a conservative and moderately conservative canidate and
leave a unified liberal base. Every election would be a Ross Perot
election.
==========
You want to tell me how we are getting anything different right now?

Tell me how a party united behind Bush, McCain and Romney has moved the country further toward more individual freedom and liberty?

We've had "Ross Perot" elections since Ross Perot. Only we've been lying to ourselves that the Dems weren't winning.

Name one thing you can do today that you couldn't do 20 years ago.

One fucking freedom you have now you didn't have then.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 23, 2013 12:49 PM (imtbm)

197 It would create a conservative and moderately conservative center-left canidate and leave a unified the latter of which would eventually be blotted out by the far leftists of the liberal base.

Can we at least try to acknowledge the nature of the national GOP please? Might help when trying to form a realistic picture of things...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Meadow Party 2016 at January 23, 2013 12:50 PM (GBXon)

198 Can we stick an enormous tampon into Washington? Would that work?

Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 12:50 PM (nr/As)

199 185 MikeTheMosose,

Correct, they are rather fond of the notion of "social contract" and "The Declaration's grants of Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness!" being justification for Freeshit Army, but I don't believe that once they have crossed some threshold they are deserving of deference to our loyalty to the past anymore.

I think that is getting REALLY close when we can't pay our entitlements now and they want to add ~20-30 million new mouths at once.

The Deomcrat party has made quite clear that they have no interest in the bill of rights, or separation of powers and I am running out of reasons to grant them any more loyalty than they showed us under Reagan, Bush, or Bush.

The Territory of the United States does not have a "wealth" problem it has a regulatory and economic problem both caused by stupid incompetent extraconstitutional overreach.

The States have the right in my view to reanalyze the contract and push for an Article V convention to break up and realign the nation.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 12:51 PM (LRFds)

200 So when does it become tar and feather time? Boston Tea Party happened over a 8-12% tax on tea... is the tea party just a cool line for a banner or are people going to actually start getting serious at some point?

Posted by: Andrew at January 23, 2013 12:51 PM (HS3dy)

201 198 Can we stick an enormous tampon into Washington? Would that work?

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It should... that whole place is a giant pussy just waiting to get fucked.

Posted by: Tony Montana at January 23, 2013 12:51 PM (e0xKF)

202 I like the whole idea that if we can't borrow any more money then we must necessarily default on our existing debt. I hope Chase is listening 'cause I could really use a new flat-screen.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 23, 2013 12:51 PM (XUKZU)

203 Name one thing you can do today that you couldn't do 20 years ago. One fucking freedom you have now you didn't have then.
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 23, 2013 12:49 PM (imtbm)

I couldn't get a concealed handgun liscense.

Posted by: polynikes at January 23, 2013 12:51 PM (m2CN7)

204 If we really wanted to move the government to the right, we would come up with a leftist third party.

Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 12:52 PM (nr/As)

205 deliberately in detriment to those duties, in turn, our duty of loyalty is released.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 23, 2013 12:45 PM (0q2P7)

Our contract has become, "Do it our way, or else."

Also, a third party in congress that could swing either way on votes would, effectively be in charge.

Posted by: Invictus at January 23, 2013 12:52 PM (OQpzc)

206 Still thinkin'

So congress 'suspends' the debt limit, the US Treasury borrows as many dollars as the global economy will lend.

The flood of new treasury paper depresses the secondary market for treasury paper. Banks (and China?) .... something....something..

Meanwhile, Obama has all those new dollars to spend.. .. and when it's time to repurchase that treasury paper, there isn't any money left. . . a la social security. . .

So. . . . the leadership of the GOP has signed onto the 'let it burn' scenario?

Hell fire and damnation, boys, we're goin fer a ride.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at January 23, 2013 12:52 PM (HaYp1)

207 Say Rand Paul is making a pretty strong case for himself today in the Bengazi hearings. I have no idea who will be running in 2016, but imagine if it is Rubio, Paul, Jindal, Walker, Ryan, and/or Christie (in some form or fashion). What much better prosepects than the past 2 elections.

But it could come down to Paul v. Rubio. Not bad.

Posted by: SH at January 23, 2013 12:52 PM (gmeXX)

208 I am asking why, precisely the middle of America should keep playing this rigged game where DC keeps us from using our lands to gain, and they are bankrupting the next three generations?


Uh, because you don't have the same character as those communist , socialist shitbags?


Do you play the rigged games on the midway at the state fair thinking you'll win?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 23, 2013 12:52 PM (pz3Br)

209 Can we at least try to acknowledge the nature of the national GOP please? Might help when trying to form a realistic picture of things...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Meadow Party 2016 at January 23, 2013 12:50 PM (GBXon)


What are you, some kind of far right TruCon?!?!eleventyadnauseum

In seriousness, I agree entirely. >.> Half our base is lying to itself - it'd be funny, if it weren't so sobering.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 23, 2013 12:52 PM (xeWre)

210 194
Tubal, Jan 24th Cinemark/Tinseltown. RiffTrax will show Manos The Hand of Fate.


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 23, 2013 12:49 PM (fLln5)
Outstanding. I will not miss it. At least I'll be with honorable company in that audience.

Posted by: tubal at January 23, 2013 12:52 PM (BoE3Z)

211 This culture runs on *brands*. The Obama Brand. The Democrat Brand. The Grand Old Party Brand.

If these were cereals which ones do you think would be sexy?

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at January 23, 2013 12:53 PM (zpqa2)

212 176 Hmmm... can you say... UnConsitutional as worded? Congress SHALL be Paid....

It temporarily withholds pay. The payments will be released on the last day of this Congress.

Posted by: 80sBaby at January 23, 2013 12:53 PM (YjDyJ)

213 Debt Ceiling ?!?!

Put it on my tab barkeep

*hic*

Posted by: John Boehner at January 23, 2013 12:53 PM (FkupK)

214 207 agreed looks like Hillary is taking a pounding from him.

Posted by: gigg at January 23, 2013 12:53 PM (41VCE)

215 >>>Wait, they are going to 'suspend' the debt limit for three months?



>>>So the Treasury can borrow as much money as the planet will lend?
MegaGigaTrillion dollars worth? A billion billion billion dollars worth?

As much as the fed can bribe banks to buy with a 0% loan. This is where you assume crash position gents.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Offering Moobats Gasoline and Matches at January 23, 2013 12:54 PM (0q2P7)

216 "Oh man, when will people stop saying, "Fix the GOP from the inside"?"

If that was going to work it wouldn't be "fixing" the GOP. It'll require building a whole new party inside the empty husk of the old. The Space Battleship Yamato strategy.

Posted by: GalosGann at January 23, 2013 12:54 PM (T3KlW)

217 214 207 agreed looks like Hillary is taking a pounding from him.

---

Who will get a shot at her in the House hearings?

I'm hoping for Trey Gowdy to rip her a new one.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 23, 2013 12:54 PM (e0xKF)

218 204 Truman North,

Perhaps we should all become a fake CPUSA?

That could be fun it'd be like a nonstop costume party.

Just spout inane bullshit platitudes and use "comrade" and 'worker" a lot.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 12:55 PM (LRFds)

219 I couldn't get a concealed handgun liscense.
=========
But, that was the local party and state party.

Meanwhile, the national party--who has been running a perpetual fear campaign that the Dems are worse--has done not one damned to make my life simpler, to reduce the influence, reach or scope of the federal government in my life.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 23, 2013 12:55 PM (imtbm)

220 Oh kami methinks am stuck in a video game with these cute girls who are on speed and helium. Kowai desu!
http://youtu.be/k5XNGac6bT0

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 23, 2013 12:55 PM (fLln5)

221 There is this thing called a social contract.

Precisely. It's a social contract, not a suicide pact.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 23, 2013 12:56 PM (pz3Br)

222 ::osted by: Tiny Dickerson at January 23, 2013 12:46 PM (fH4X9)

188 I seriously considered trying for a local radio talk show host gig with my audition tape consisting of reading the comments here.:::

It would have to be satellite radio. The FCC would throw you under the jail.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 23, 2013 12:56 PM (mOyDx)

223 Perhaps we should all become a fake CPUSA?

---

In America, you find party. In Soviet Russia, party find you!

Posted by: Yakov Smirnov at January 23, 2013 12:57 PM (e0xKF)

224
217...Who will get a shot at her in the House hearings?


I'm hoping for Trey Gowdy to rip her a new one.


There will be House hearings?

Posted by: wheatie at January 23, 2013 12:57 PM (fH4X9)

225 It would have to be satellite radio. The FCC would throw you under the jail.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 23, 2013 12:56 PM (mOyDx)



Why? Are you subtly implying that we are potty mouths?


The fuck you say.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 23, 2013 12:58 PM (VtjlW)

226 There has been a lot of deserved beating up of our side's politicians. But I will take the following trio of Senators over any three Dems any day of the week: Rubio, Paul, Cruz. All three are eloquent and articulate. All three know conservative up and down, including the history behind it. All three can appeal to a younger generation. All three could go on the Daily Show and not sound like a old man.

Posted by: SH at January 23, 2013 12:58 PM (gmeXX)

227 218
204 Truman North,

Perhaps we should all become a fake CPUSA?

=============
Actually, it'd need to be a fake Socialist Party as the Supreme Court has already ruled that their members and donor lists can be kept secret--unlike every other political party.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 23, 2013 12:59 PM (imtbm)

228 "Oh man, when will people stop saying, "Fix the GOP from the inside"?" If that was going to work it wouldn't be "fixing" the GOP. It'll require building a whole new party inside the empty husk of the old. The Space Battleship Yamato strategy.
Posted by: GalosGann at January 23, 2013 12:54 PM (T3KlW)

Did people believe the GOP was transformed or fixed when Newt Gingrich and others came up with the Contract With America or when Ronald Reagan was elected? The two parties are always moving one way or the other. You get enough people to think like you and you can 'fix' the GOP. I guess I just can't stop saying fix the GOP from the inside.

Posted by: polynikes at January 23, 2013 12:59 PM (m2CN7)

229 What of RedState's analysis, that this is a time to regroup and use the CR deadline as an effort to defund Obamacare?

In a word? Delusional if they think that there's any possibility of getting the Dems to agree to defunding Obamacare.

You'd run out of grenades before exhausting the supply of Democrats willing to jump on them to save Obamacare.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 23, 2013 12:59 PM (SY2Kh)

230 224
217...Who will get a shot at her in the House hearings?


I'm hoping for Trey Gowdy to rip her a new one.

There will be House hearings?

---

I may be misremembering, but I thought she had to do hearings with *both* chambers before the Senate would vote on that douchebag from Massachusetts' nomination.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 23, 2013 01:00 PM (e0xKF)

231 It would have to be satellite radio. The FCC would throw you under the jail.



Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 23, 2013 12:56 PM (mOyDx)


Or a web radio deal like Tammy Bruce has (which I haven't been able to pick up lately) where she can drop eff bombs and only worry about offending her subscribers.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 23, 2013 01:00 PM (6Idw6)

232 Separation of Power

Checks and Balances



Are those movies or an app or something?



Posted by: RWC - public school genius at January 23, 2013 01:00 PM (fWAjv)

233 I'm here in Florida and I voted for Rubio, however even before we sent him to Washington I had my doubts. I just feel like he is naive enough to be Rick Rolled into doing whatever someone else puts on a good enough sell . I don't see conviction when I look at him. Hopefully it's just me and hopefully I'm wrong.

Posted by: Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain at January 23, 2013 01:01 PM (bj+Nc)

234 208 RickB223,

Germany is proof as is Spain that Barry's "green shoots" and war on coal are designed to destroy the poor, and yet we will be told by the media "high electric prices are the GOP's fault for blocking Schumer's bill to amend the laws of thermodynamics!"

The game is rigged, the fix is in. Our people OWN that is OUR FUCKING WEALTH NOT THEIRS more than 700 years worth of coal. A bunch of pussies want to restrict our ability to meet our needs to take care of the fucking poor and help our people and by commerce the WORLD get cheaper power and our national party representing our interests as a grouping of people allows themselves to get painted as "for the rich?"

Fuck the rigged game, break it up shut it the fuck down send your state's MOST retarded Pols as GOP to gum it up.

They are destroying our economy on fucking purpose to let the sierra club jerk the fuck off and our pussies cannot call them on it hard?

There does not need to be a national government of these two groups of states anymore then.

The world constantly tells us how evil we are BECAUSE of our military?

Okay no problem world and democrats YOU WIN! Since that is pretty much the main fucking reason for the United States' existence we will listen. Divorce.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 01:01 PM (LRFds)

235 I've been helping my son with a report on John Hancock. That guy had balls. He was pretty much the richest man In America, and when England started fucking with his import-export operation, he turned around and funded a guerrilla army to kill tax collectors.

He could have just sat on his money, but he went and fucked shit up.

Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 23, 2013 01:01 PM (nr/As)

236 You'd run out of grenades before exhausting the supply of Democrats willing to jump on them to save Obamacare.

Figuratively or literally? Because if you meant literally, it'd be fun to try.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 23, 2013 01:01 PM (pz3Br)

237 233 I'm here in Florida and I voted for Rubio, however even before we sent him to Washington I had my doubts. I just feel like he is naive enough to be Rick Rolled into doing whatever someone else puts on a good enough sell .

---

Look at what your choices were... him or that party-flipping Oompa Loompa.

Rubio was the lesser of two evils by far.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 23, 2013 01:02 PM (e0xKF)

238 I may be misremembering, but I thought she had to do hearings with *both* chambers before the Senate would vote on that douchebag from Massachusetts' nomination.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 23, 2013 01:00 PM (e0xKF)


It starts at 2pm today.

Posted by: RWC - public school genius at January 23, 2013 01:02 PM (fWAjv)

239 That's the truth Brandon in BR. The sad sad truth.

Posted by: Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain at January 23, 2013 01:03 PM (bj+Nc)

240 Politicians don't want to solve problems. They just want to be politicians. Think about it- it's a pretty good gig. Good pay, lots of time off, lots of parties and junkets and 'fact-finding missions' to exotic locales... all you have to do is keep getting re-elected. And as long as you don't get caught with a dead girl or a live boy, you probably will be re-elected in perpetuity- so there's no incentive to perform. Just enjoy the view from the gravy train un til the day you retire to your mansion in Ireland or your secluded tree-shaded compound on a tiny Caribbean island.

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 23, 2013 01:05 PM (8sCoq)

241 240 Jones in CO,

The founders knew this that is why they had to sell the damned Constitution in the first place.

You have a lot more control of these fucks at home in your state than at DC....

Divorce, Art V it baby shut it down, tear it apart.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 01:07 PM (LRFds)

242
Still demanding that entrenchedpoliticians straighten out problems?



What is wrong with you?


Look to yourself for solutions.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 23, 2013 01:07 PM (1Y+hH)

243 Might have to stop buying from China so they don't have any US$ to give back to the gov't.

Who am I kidding? I don't have any money to spend anyways.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at January 23, 2013 01:10 PM (X/+QT)

244 "The States have the right in my view to reanalyze the contract and push for an Article V convention to break up and realign the nation."

An Article V convention would be too easily hijacked by those same people.

States already have everything they need to resist federal overreach. They don't, because they've been coerced/bribed/duped into meekly accepting this subservient role. But the prospect of being hanged focuses the mind wonderfully, and we'll start to see a realignment when the state and local pols realize that they're the ones who've been left hanging.

There won't be any pot-of-gold for fiscal conservatives. Only hard work, no credit, and a lot of misdirected blame for finally demanding lawful and responsible policies. But it needs to be done for our posterity. There's no sense whining about it.

Posted by: GalosGann at January 23, 2013 01:14 PM (T3KlW)

245 39 Cricket

OMG Good grief, they arrested Charlie Brown


FIFY.

Posted by: rickl at January 23, 2013 01:19 PM (zoehZ)

246 "But the prospect of being hanged focuses the mind wonderfully, "

Exactly.

Posted by: Andrew at January 23, 2013 01:20 PM (HS3dy)

247 240 GalosGann,

Were we not under a calculated assault on multiple fronts by a traitorous, yes that is the word, left I would agree. They collude with foreign groups and antions to attempt to undermine the freedom of our nation. No allow the Art V to be hijacked, stay tight force the breakup first and then realign.

The Middle of America unfettered by bullshit neo-luddism can do a lot better than the coasts.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 01:20 PM (LRFds)

248 246 Andrew,

Better to reduce the number of bastards from other regions we'd like hanged though no?

Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 01:21 PM (LRFds)

249 Passed 285-144

Posted by: 80sBaby at January 23, 2013 01:24 PM (YjDyJ)

250 Why should I be any more loyal to the United States than Obama's mother, Hillary and Bill and Bill Ayers were in the 60s, than Eric holder was in his rhetoric?I am asking why, precisely the middle of America should keep playing this rigged game where DC keeps us from using our lands to gain, and they are bankrupting the next three generations? Posted by: sven10077 at January 23, 2013 12:37 PM (LRFds)

Uh, because you don't have the same character as those communist , socialist shitbags?
Posted by: polynikes at January 23, 2013 12:42 PM (m2CN7)


How about because the country is now in the hands of those "communist, socialist shitbags?" Why the fuck are we - thebase,not the greedy, amoral assholes in the leadership -always supposed to be the ones touphold concepts like loyalty and constitutional governance?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 23, 2013 01:25 PM (zF6Iw)

251 @248, are you saying everybody gather in Texas?

I of course don't think we've exhausted all options yet, just posing the question. An important part of goals is deadlines. Where is the line in the sand?

Posted by: Andrew at January 23, 2013 01:27 PM (HS3dy)

252 I've been helping my son with a report on John Hancock. That guy had balls. He was pretty much the richest man In America, and when England started fucking with his import-export operation, he turned around and funded a guerrilla army to kill tax collectors.

He could have just sat on his money, but he went and fucked shit up.



I am continually impressed by the balls of steel on most if not all of the Founders. Washington, Adams and Jefferson, and many more, were all rich guys who risked hanging by the neck until they were dead, when they could have led very comfortable lives as British subjects.

Posted by: BlueStateRepub at January 23, 2013 01:27 PM (7ObY1)

253 @249, I say Ryan voted yes, any takers?

Posted by: Andrew at January 23, 2013 01:29 PM (HS3dy)

254 How close is this:

http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=82051

to being an accurate statement?

Posted by: Curiouser and curiouser at January 23, 2013 01:46 PM (f1Yw6)

255 Video is spot on, but it doesn't address the issue of what this debt actually is and means long-term. But 100% true, President doesn't set the budget, he is powerless. He can veto the budget Congress sends him, but that is all. Congress can just say fuck you, that's the money we're giving you, and if Obama rejects it, govt shuts down, and that's on him.

Posted by: Andrew at January 23, 2013 01:57 PM (HS3dy)

256 Truman North,

in addition to your proposals or as an alternative, we can play the democrats game of creating byzantine rules for the irs tax code for all of the favored/unfavored groups you've mentioned. just making the burden of compliance nearly impossible. and while i don't know much about the financing of films, it seems to me that llc's might be created to handle the business of each film individually, which means targeting tax regulation at that level.

Posted by: matt foley at January 23, 2013 01:58 PM (X69df)

257 And if that were to go on for a really extended period of time next step is impeachment hearing and new POTUS. Bottom line, POTUS' job is to do what Congress tells him to do, nothing more, nothing less.

Posted by: Andrew at January 23, 2013 01:58 PM (HS3dy)

258 @ 83

Yep. Unless something changes, the MFM would eviscerate Rand as a candidate. Damn shame.

This is the point: Anyone worth his salt would fall into this same trap. That is why we're well and truly boned.

LiB

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at January 23, 2013 01:59 PM (zpqa2)






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