Old And Busted: Boehner Promises Dollar For Dollar Spending Cuts For Any Hike In The Debt Ceiling.
New Hotness: 4 Months Of Debt Ceiling Hikes And No Spending Cuts

John Boehner has been running around saying any hike in the debt ceiling must be offset by a dollar for dollar (or more) cut in spending for a long time.

Now he will bring a bill to the floor of the House tomorrow that will suspend the debt ceiling for four months and include ZERO cuts in spending.

House leaders, after unveiling the legislation Monday, are planning to hold a vote Wednesday on their plan to allow the government to keep borrowing through May 18.

While the short-term increase is getting mixed reviews, the second plank of the legislation -- meant to pressure Senate Democrats to pass a budget -- has also raised questions.

Under the proposal, Congress would withhold the pay of lawmakers in either the House or the Senate if their chamber fails to pass a budget by April 15. House Republicans have passed budgets for two consecutive years, but the Senate hasn't passed one since Obama's first year in office.

...

As for the debt ceiling provision, the legislation does not set a specific limit; rather it would automatically increase the limit by the amount required to fund U.S. government obligations through May 18.

The pay withholding thing is a gimmick. I'm torn on because it's a stupid feel good symbolic act (they will all get paid eventually) but there are a lot of idiots who like stupid things. Maybe this will get their attention.

As for forcing the Senate to pass a budget, Chuck Schumer says no problem but be careful what you wish for.

Senate Democrats announced Sunday that they will oblige and produce a budget — but warned it will include higher taxes that Republicans oppose.

"We're going to do a budget this year," Schumer said hours before Obama officially began his second term. "And it's going to have revenues in it. And our Republican colleagues better get used to that fact."

Great, so we're back to the GOP defending "millionaires and billionaires" again. And I'm sure some members of Team GOP will say, "Oh but the final cuts will retroactively include this four months of debt increase". Does anyone think Democrats (or Republicans) are going to "pay for" something they've already gotten for free?

Before you answer that remember, the "payment" for the last debt ceiling hike in 2011 still hasn't kicked in.

Obama is going to start with the $800 billion in revenue Boehner generously put on the table for nothing and demand that that be counted against the debt hike so that "dollar for dollar" promise becomes "some cents from taxes, some cents from "cuts that won't happen"" an over all spending will go merrily along.

You can say the GOP has a weak hand an this will be the best it can do. Fine, then stop promising to fight and win. If the GOP is going to cave on all of this at some point, better to do it now in one giant surrender than spend the next 6 months or more surrendering on a weekly basis.

Added: AlexTheChick reminds me of something I was asking about yesterday but never got an answer....Why can't Obama use a 4 month 'suspension' in the debt ceiling to borrow enough to cover for the next year or two? The market couldn't handle that kind of float but the Fed could and probably would.

Will the GOP write in strong enough limiting language or are they inviting Obama to just take this mess off their hands?

UPDATE: A source on the Hill (stop laughing, I have some) says the language of the debt ceiling suspension limits how much Obama can borrow based on the date of incurring the obligation.


SECTION 1. TEMPORARY SUSPENSION OF DEBT CEILING.

(a) Suspension.—Section 3101(b) of title 31, United States Code, shall not apply for the period beginning on the date of the enactment of this Act and ending on May 18, 2013.

(b) Special Rule Relating To Obligations Issued During Suspension Period.—Effective May 19, 2013, the limitation in section 3101(b) of title 31, United States Code, as increased by section 3101A of such title, is increased to the extent that—

(1) the face amount of obligations issued under chapter 31 of such title and the face amount of obligations whose principal and interest are guaranteed by the United States Government (except guaranteed obligations held by the Secretary of the Treasury) outstanding on May 19, 2013, exceeds

(2) the face amount of such obligations outstanding on the date of the enactment of this Act.

An obligation shall not be taken into account under paragraph (1) unless the issuance of such obligation was necessary to fund a commitment incurred by the Federal Government that required payment before May 19, 2013.

So there's that.

Posted by: DrewM. at 12:34 PM



Comments

1 "We're going to do a budget this year," Schumer said hours before Obama
officially began his second term. "And it's going to have revenues in
it. And our Republican colleagues better get used to that fact."







No information voter: But but but ...only the rich. Right?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 22, 2013 12:36 PM (1Jaio)

2 The Vichy Republicans.

Let. It. Burn.

Posted by: BlueStateRepub at January 22, 2013 12:36 PM (7ObY1)

3 Boehner-ific!

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 22, 2013 12:36 PM (Hx5uv)

4 All part of Boehner's elaborate plan to give Drew an aneurysm by January 2014.

Posted by: CAC at January 22, 2013 12:37 PM (98UNH)

5 This is getting depressing

Posted by: AuthorLMendez, El Patron at January 22, 2013 12:37 PM (yAor6)

6
There is no GOP.

They have been co-opted...

They actually are Democrats now, no more hiding behind lies and bullshit.

Good going guys, thanks for the help, and the lies, the lies are good.


Posted by: Rev Dr. E Buzz Yannoglanchie at January 22, 2013 12:38 PM (ApGOC)

7 No information voter: But but but ...only the rich. Right?
Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 22, 2013 12:36 PM (1Jaio)


More like:

No Info Voter: Durrrrr, wuzza 'revenue?'

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 22, 2013 12:38 PM (4df7R)

8 So, the GOP election of Boehner as Speaker for the next two years sure seems to be paying dividends.< Facepalm >

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at January 22, 2013 12:38 PM (EGPJQ)

9 Give them the increase. Small. Incremental. Make them fight for it every step of the way. Let Obama's term be nothing but debt fights for four years. Congrats champ. You won.

Posted by: Jollyroger at January 22, 2013 12:39 PM (t06LC)

10 There is the right way, the wrong way, and the Boehner way. Of these, the Boehner way is worst.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 22, 2013 12:39 PM (Hx5uv)

11 I so want to drop my membership in the Quisling-I mean-REPUBLICAN Party. But in this state, if I go Indy I can't vote in any primaries. What to do, what to do...

Posted by: BlueStateRepub at January 22, 2013 12:39 PM (7ObY1)

12 Shut it down.

Close the government. Shut off the entire federal bureaucracy.

The House has the whip hand for spending. Use it, damn it.

Posted by: Kristophr at January 22, 2013 12:39 PM (wYVte)

13 Geee, nice of Chuckie Schumer to claim that the Senate is actually going to follow the g-ddamn LAW for the first time in four years and pass a budget. Now if someone would do the right thing and arrest Harry fucking Reid for actively BREAKING the law these last four years by NOT passing a budget, I might not go home and slit my wrists.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 22, 2013 12:40 PM (4df7R)

14
'A Drunken Speaker, a Turd Burgler, and a syndicate of Liberal Politicians match wits overa pricelessroot vegetable...'

John Boehner stars beside Jennifer Connely in:

Blood Turnip

Posted by: garrett at January 22, 2013 12:41 PM (2LxOR)

15 MORE KABUKI!!!!

Posted by: steve walsh at January 22, 2013 12:41 PM (xDQNc)

16 ::sigh::

we really need an amendment to the constitution. Something along the lines of 'No one in the Fed govt gets their paycheck until a balanced budget is passed by Jan 15 of every year.' and maybe add on 'Congress shall not spend more than it takes in through taxes.'


Posted by: Book at January 22, 2013 12:41 PM (6D/g8)

17 Okay, I read that as the spending cuts were not going to happen for a long time and I was all finally some honesty!

Since I've proven to lack reading comprehension, someone use the puppets to get this through to me. Are the Republicans going to give Obama an unlimited debt ceiling? I mean, that's how it reads to me, if it's an automatic raise to whatever it takes then fuck it if I were Lord Tyrant, I'd shove through every single thing I wanted in the next four months because hey you agreed I could.


Fuck. This. Shit. I'm going to go back to re-reading the NFL QBs on Facebook obsessively.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 22, 2013 12:41 PM (VtjlW)

18 I'll be the first to kick Boehner in the nuts.

But what you've done her misrepresents the strategy. A strategy, by the way, the caucus agrees on.

>The underlying rationale behind this strategy is to defer the debt
ceiling fight until after the FY 2013 CR is dealt with and the FY 2014
budgets are formulated. The idea is that the House would unite behind a
pro-active budget/debt plan in March from which they would harness as
their demand for any long-term debt ceiling increase in mid-April<

But do keep going on and stoking the flames of idiocy and folly.

BTW- what's your strategy? You know, besides shouting and criticizing every deal?

Posted by: Marcus at January 22, 2013 12:41 PM (GGCsk)

19 Hear that sound? That is the sound of dirt being shoveled on top of the GOP's coffin.

Posted by: Andrew at January 22, 2013 12:41 PM (HS3dy)

20 As for the debt ceiling provision, the legislation does not set a
specific limit; rather it would automatically increase the limit by the
amount required to fund U.S. government obligations

---

Within six months, this will be the law of the land and the Republicans and going to be curled into a fetal position wondering what the hell just happened.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 22, 2013 12:41 PM (Hx5uv)

21
Anyone here seriously believe that even if Romney had won, this spineless GOP Congressional contingent would ever have backed any substantive fiscal reforms?

Yeah, you can be sure that corrupt porkmeister asshats like Boehner and Hal Rogers would just be stepping right up to cut federal spending. Sure they would.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 22, 2013 12:42 PM (gqT4g)

22 The House has the whip hand for spending. Use it, damn it.
Posted by: Kristophr at January 22, 2013 12:39 PM (wYVte)

With weepy Boehner at the helm? Fat chance.

Posted by: Insomniac at January 22, 2013 12:42 PM (DrWcr)

23 Hewitt on Friday: "They sent (Ryan) out today to say you know, maybe we’ll pass a short term debt ceiling, which is almost the worst of all worlds. If they’re going to lose, they should just say we can’t beat the President, here’s all the red ink, we’re going to stand over here until it collapses, and be the Greek chorus, or they can go to the mat and shut the government down. But to pass a six week or a two month, it’s just like they played small ball all 2011 and go nowhere as a result."

Posted by: George Orwell what knows where thou concealest thy þr0n at January 22, 2013 12:42 PM (Lxw+T)

24 More like:



No Info Voter: Durrrrr, wuzza 'revenue?'

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 22, 2013 12:38 PM (4df7R)



I realized after I posted that, the no info voter has no clue that revenue equals higher taxes.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 22, 2013 12:42 PM (1Jaio)

25 They are running up monumental deficits ...for the children!
Which means you cannot criticize them.

Posted by: Wooga at January 22, 2013 12:42 PM (sTLU3)

26 Could you do an--

Obama Sucks post?

When is that last time that happened?

Posted by: tasker at January 22, 2013 12:42 PM (r2PLg)

27 Doesn't the withholding of pay a violation of the 27th Amendment?

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 22, 2013 12:42 PM (XvHmy)

28 Every week now I am getting a call from the National Republican Party asking for a donation. First I ask if the call is being recorded then when they tell me, "Why, yes, yes it is," I tell them how much I hate them and their feckless , spineless and ball-less Speaker for betraying the constituents who sent them to DC represent us .

I try to schedule my work so I can be home for the calls as they are becoming a highlight of my week.

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at January 22, 2013 12:42 PM (53riN)

29 I'm still waiting for the first shred of evidence that Boehner isn't the most worthless pile of Repuke shit to be put in a position of responsibility since Trent Lott.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 22, 2013 12:43 PM (cTbYx)

30
THE HARD WAY

http://tinyurl.com/b8q8jdm

Posted by: The Kinks at January 22, 2013 12:43 PM (2LxOR)

31 Mellow status: HARSHED

Posted by: Andy at January 22, 2013 12:43 PM (C/NnJ)

32 honestly, just give them whatever the hell they want and let. it. burn.

Posted by: dandalo at January 22, 2013 12:43 PM (GAJm6)

33 Could you do an--
Obama Sucks post?
When is that last time that happened?

Posted by: tasker at January 22, 2013 12:42 PM (r2PLg)


I like to think that every post here at the HQ eventually turns into an "Obama Sucks" post, because it makes me feel better. But you're right -- I don't think there's been a post solely dedicated to insulting and deriding the idiot Preezy in a while. We're long overdue.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 22, 2013 12:44 PM (4df7R)

34 They're playing chess I tell you, like Spock. One dimensional chess.

Posted by: James Tiberius Kirk at January 22, 2013 12:44 PM (Lxw+T)

35 What fookin heroes.

Okay, Republicans delenda est and shit.

Pork Party 2014.

If you raise the debt and Texas does not get billions and billions, then you will be voted out. Simple. Bring home the bacon, since the US is insane, we no longer need to worry about the nation as a whole, only red state pork matters.

Posted by: Invictus at January 22, 2013 12:44 PM (OQpzc)

36 Just read Charles Krauthammer's "You can't govern from the House" column that's been discussed around here. Seens like the Speaker read it.

Tax hikes on the rich? Fuck it. I don't care anymore. Hike 'em. Let Obama burn through the money. The sooner we get to inevitable middle class tax hikes the better. Make them put up a budget.

Posted by: CJ at January 22, 2013 12:44 PM (9KqcB)

37 the legislation does not set a specific limit; rather it would automatically increase the limit by the amount required to fund

That's not my understanding of a "limit", but what do I know?

Posted by: t-bird at January 22, 2013 12:44 PM (FcR7P)

38 Honey. You keep maxing out the credit card when you know I don't have any money to pay it. We've talked about this before, and, to tell you the truth, you're ruining any future credit I may have, my reputation, my name, and my peace of mind. We need to get a divorce. I can't take it anymore.

Posted by: Soona at January 22, 2013 12:44 PM (N2KVu)

39 (In the spirit of Super Bowl season)
The GOP script for the debt ceiling:
1. Call timeout.
2.Huddle.
3. Get delay of game penalty.
4.Argue on the sidelines in front of the cameras.
5. Run ill-advised screen pass which is completed but for a loss of 3 yards.
6. High five each other for completing the pass.
7. Punt on 2nd down.
8. Through red flag wanting a review.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at January 22, 2013 12:44 PM (EGPJQ)

40
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 22, 2013 12:41 PM (VtjlW)
I was wondering that yesterday.
If Obama has a blank check for four months, why wouldn't he just borrow enough in that window to cover a year or more worth of debt?The open market probably couldn't handle a trillion dollar float but the Fed could and would.Maybe it's in the wording but it's clearly an invitation to Obama to just rid them of this mess.

Posted by: DrewM. at January 22, 2013 12:44 PM (AR+tO)

41 Repeat after me: the Congress, regardless of the majority status of the political parties, will never make any serious attempt to balance the budget. Ever. Never. Ever.

Posted by: steve walsh at January 22, 2013 12:45 PM (xDQNc)

42 *shrug*

All Boehner has to do to achieve across the board spending cuts is... Nothing. Let sequestration happen. It would be a good start.

Posted by: Jordan at January 22, 2013 12:45 PM (Hz1zc)

43 the legislation does not set a specific limit; rather it would automatically increase the limit by the amount required to fund That's not my understanding of a "limit", but what do I know?
Posted by: t-bird at January 22, 2013 12:44 PM (FcR7P)

They define "limit" the same way they define "spending cuts" and "deficit reduction."

Posted by: Insomniac at January 22, 2013 12:45 PM (DrWcr)

44 Hey, read that column from Byron York in the sidebar if you really want to feel hopeless.

Embrace the bloat.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows where thou concealest thy þr0n at January 22, 2013 12:46 PM (Lxw+T)

45 The GOP is dead to me. Dead.

Posted by: rrpjr at January 22, 2013 12:46 PM (PuMFj)

46 I like to think that every post here at the HQ eventually turns into an "Obama Sucks" post, because it makes me feel better. But you're right -- I don't think there's been a post solely dedicated to insulting and deriding the idiot Preezy in a while. We're long overdue.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 22, 2013 12:44 PM (4df7R)

__________________

Circular firing squads--get you more hits in the short run--but in the long run--France. (-- or something.)

Posted by: tasker at January 22, 2013 12:46 PM (r2PLg)

47 through the money. The sooner we get to inevitable middle class tax hikes the better. Make them put up a budget.
Posted by: CJ at January 22, 2013 12:44 PM (9KqcB)

Rs shielding the idiots from the consequence of their own votes with debt spending has got to end. All they do is serve the Left.

Posted by: Invictus at January 22, 2013 12:46 PM (OQpzc)

48 @36
... Tax hikes on the rich? Fuck it. I don't care anymore. Hike 'em. Let
Obama burn through the money. The sooner we get to inevitable middle
class tax hikes the better. Make them put up a budget.

---------

Totally agree with that, it is the only hope for instilling some measure of fiscal sanity.

Posted by: steve walsh at January 22, 2013 12:47 PM (xDQNc)

49 The GOP has a weak hand because it is infested with weak minds and weak hearts. Their numbers simply follow the trend.

Remember: We don't need a third party, we need a replacement.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Meadow Party 2016 at January 22, 2013 12:47 PM (GBXon)

50 Here in NH if you're registered as Independent you can vote in either party's primary. I think I'm going to pull a democRat and register as Indy so I can vote in the Dem primary. Hey, voting for the 'pubbies hasn't done any good. Maybe if I vote for the most ridiculous Dem candidates in the primary I can help wreak a little havoc.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 22, 2013 12:48 PM (4df7R)

51 Fuck these people. No one should ever - ever - vote for a GOP incumbent again. That includes everyone's precious Paul Ryan.

Vote them all out and continue voting them out until candidates learn that this is not conservatism.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 22, 2013 12:48 PM (NWGUG)

52 The GOP doesn't have a weak hand, they have the same hand the Democrats have.

They want the same thing.

The. Same. Thing.

The ruling class is winning and the country class is losing, just like they planned it in closed-door meetings right after the election was thrown to Obama.

Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 22, 2013 12:48 PM (5mBjE)

53 I should get the dollar cause I'm pregnant and Cherri is a whore.

Posted by: Two Strippers Fighting Over a Dollar at January 22, 2013 12:48 PM (SzAZ7)

54 As I said this morning, Boner has sold us out again and he didn't even get a bag of magic beans this time.


I am done with the worthless Republican Party. The MFM says Obama is trying to split the Republicans. Hell, he doesn't need to; Boner is doing a fine job himself.


Fuck him and the worthless Republican Party I am done. I will prepare for the end which will come shortly.

Posted by: Vic at January 22, 2013 12:49 PM (53z96)

55
(In the spirit of Super Bowl season)

The GOP script for the debt ceiling:

1. Call timeout.

2.Huddle.

3. Get delay of game penalty.

4.Argue on the sidelines in front of the cameras.

5. Run ill-advised screen pass which is completed but for a loss of 3 yards.

6. High five each other for completing the pass.

7. Punt on 2nd down.

8. Through red flag wanting a review




More like:

1. Give Dems the GOP playbook

2. Deliberately throw a pass to Dem defensive players' hands

3. Punt on 1st down

Posted by: EC at January 22, 2013 12:49 PM (GQ8sn)

56 Tangentially related to the boned fiscal and economic policies we are following. Ron Paul and the JEF could not be more different in regards to economic and fiscal policy.
Singer Kelly Clarkson went from being a Ron Paul supporter to voting for the JEF. I don't care about her beliefs by themselves, but I think a lot of young voters, Ron Paul voters, voted for the JEF. How does that circle get squared?

Posted by: thunderb at January 22, 2013 12:49 PM (Dnbau)

57 And on the subject again of "How would this be different under Romney", well, yesterday, Laurie David's Cervix posted a snippet from an NYT article.

I didn't read the entire article. I try to avoid giving the NYT any hits even with an ad blocker active. But the other reason was that live steam blew out my ears just from the one pull quote. Here it is:

"Russ Schriefer, one of Mr. Romney's top strategists on his most recent presidential bid, left on Thursday for 'four or five days of skiing' in Davos, Switzerland. His wife, a journalist, was already headed there for a conference, and he decided to tag along. Though the couple hosted an inauguration party four years ago for out-of-town friends, Mr. Schriefer said that this time, 'the thrill is gone.'"

What. The. Fuck.

We had a guy working as a "top strategist" for the GOP Presidential ticket last year who had THROWN A FUCKING PARTY in 2009 to celebrate the first inauguration of King Putt? And referring to that as having been a "thrill"?

There's that Ivy League MBA managerial genius of Romney on display again. Just like with ORCA. Hired a bunch of expensive ineffectual douchebags out of the consultantocracy who really didn't care if the candidate won or lost. Oh well, we lost. Let's jet off to Davos.

The other thing we now know about Romney is that, per the account of his son, Mitt "never really wanted to be President".

Really? Really?

Then WHY DID YOUR SACK OF SHIT DAD EVEN RUN, kid?

We used to say that a good Presidential aspirant had "fire in the belly".

Next up: "Weakly Glowing Ember In the Belly: The Mitt Romney Story".

Posted by: torquewrench at January 22, 2013 12:49 PM (gqT4g)

58 41
Repeat after me: the Congress, regardless of the majority status of the
political parties, will never make any serious attempt to balance the
budget. Ever. Never. Ever.


Posted by: steve walsh at January 22, 2013 12:45 PM (xDQNc)

Exactly. There is no penalty for it. And it is in their best interest to pull in more money for themselves. Short of a time machine and asking the founding fathers to put something in the constitution about budgets limits on spending, I have no idea how the problem can be solved.What it comes down to is The People vs The Fed Govt, where the Feds vote to give themselves more and more of the People's money, and slowly shave away more and more liberties.

Posted by: Book at January 22, 2013 12:49 PM (6D/g8)

59 Sheer idiocy. Let's be clear, the Senate doesn't pass a budget, they can only pass budget recommendations. In other words, it means nothing. All spending bills must originate in the House, period, end of story. All this whining about others passing budgets is just the GOP trying to deflect from their own bad decisions. They are trying to play a game to get the media spotlight to move to the Democrats, which is a game they will always lose. Media is in the Democrat's pocket, know this, get over it, and man up.

If I were a GOP rep I'd be seriously thinking about just staying home. If leadership is just going to cave in and not wield the power they have, what is the point of any of this? Completely broken system. Any GOP rep that votes yes for this bill should be removed from office.

Posted by: Andrew at January 22, 2013 12:49 PM (HS3dy)

60 Posted by: George Orwell what knows where thou concealest thy þr0n at January 22, 2013 12:42 PM (Lxw+T)



I can't stand listening to Hewitt but he's had this nailed since the 2010 elections.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 22, 2013 12:50 PM (cTbYx)

61 They really have no idea how restless and unhappy the citizenry is (are?), do they? None at all.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 22, 2013 12:50 PM (4df7R)

62 Tax hikes on the rich? Fuck it. I don't care anymore. Hike 'em. Let Obama burn through the money. The sooner we get to inevitable middle class tax hikes the better. Make them put up a budget.
Posted by: CJ at January 22, 2013 12:44 PM (9KqcB)

Kind of where I'm at. The truth is the republicans were too good at thier jobs for years and the middle class forgot the pain of taxes and that the credit card bill will come due. Based on the lamentations heard from the 2% increase on the SS tax, pain still works. Face it, we tried to have this discussion back in November. We lost. We have met the enemy and the enemy is the American people (or 53or so %)

Posted by: Jollyroger at January 22, 2013 12:50 PM (t06LC)

63 And to think I used to get pissed at people saying there's no difference between the parties.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 22, 2013 12:50 PM (4c71i)

64 I realized after I posted that, the no info voter has no clue that revenue equals higher taxes.

Say what?

You know what would increase revenue without raising taxes? Unemployment at 5% instead of 16 or whatever it is now.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a Flaming Moe at January 22, 2013 12:50 PM (ZKzrr)

65 Boehner is running scared only because Michelle threatened to swallow his soul.

Posted by: Fritz at January 22, 2013 12:50 PM (/ZZCn)

66 Fuck. This. Shit. I'm going to go back to re-reading the NFL QBs on Facebook obsessively. Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 22, 2013 12:41 PM (VtjlW)

Don't forget my Facebook page!

Posted by: Anna Burns-Welker, Miss Hooters 2005 at January 22, 2013 12:50 PM (sbV1u)

67 EC, we're going to need you back on the previous thread here shortly.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 22, 2013 12:50 PM (da5Wo)

68 They really have no idea how restless and unhappy the citizenry is (are?), do they?

Unhappy? We just celebrated Maximum Leader with laughter, music, and a spirit of unity!

Posted by: MFM at January 22, 2013 12:51 PM (ZKzrr)

69 Also as I said this morning, they are all assholes. We are simply dog shit on the bottom of their shoes to be scraped off.

Posted by: Vic at January 22, 2013 12:51 PM (53z96)

70 So--Republicans suck.

Got it.

What is plan B?

Get ready for "The End"--like Vic?

Drew must feel so special.

Posted by: tasker at January 22, 2013 12:51 PM (r2PLg)

71 Rs shielding the idiots from the consequence of their own votes with debt spending has got to end. All they do is serve the Left.

That's why I say let the tax hikes on the "wealthy" happen. Politics is no place to hold a lecture on economics. Voters want stupid. Give them the heads of the rich on a platter. And tell them, "You're next."

Posted by: CJ at January 22, 2013 12:51 PM (9KqcB)

72 You guys gotta buck up. I'm not giving up. As long as I have to get up and out of bed in the AM, I am not going to roll over and play dead for the G-D Damn Socialists bastards.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 22, 2013 12:51 PM (9Bj8R)

73 EC, we're going to need you back on the previous thread here shortly.

Yarg?

Posted by: EC at January 22, 2013 12:52 PM (GQ8sn)

74 Rec'd fundraising letter from GOP. I wrote: "NO! Let It Burn" across it and sent it back.

Posted by: Jypsea Rose is @AmericanGypsea at January 22, 2013 12:52 PM (dDQqO)

75 What if stupid, feel-good, symbolic acts are all you have to work with?

Posted by: Blacksheep at January 22, 2013 12:52 PM (8/DeP)

76 They've thrown the bloody nation on the barby, and they're cackling about it the whole while.


Aye, the Republican party is dead. I will not vote for them again so long as the country exists - which might not be all that long.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal, LiB advocate at January 22, 2013 12:52 PM (Gdxt9)

77 We won't learn our lesson, though. In 2014, we'll all be root, root, rooting for the home team, trying to re-elect Ryan and Boehner, and in 2012 we'll do the same thing to find someone to run against the Hill-dabeast.

Why bother. Why fucking bother?

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 22, 2013 12:52 PM (NWGUG)

78 #36-by CJ. And I want more cowbell. I mean why the Fuck not? Then LIB.

Posted by: Guido at January 22, 2013 12:52 PM (XLuH2)

79 let it burn. seriously. consider it a crossover study in which this is the portion where we try the social insurance intervention. americans chose this, it's only right that we do. then when it falls apart, we try the purely hayekian, conservative approach. there is no meaningful compromise in this current iteration, why should there be in the future.

and when was it again that compromising of principles was a positive in american politics? how successful was that (at averting civil war, granting civil rights, ending the depression, winning in vietnam etc.)?

ceterum censeo, let it burn.

Posted by: roald Dahl Paul at January 22, 2013 12:52 PM (Kd6lF)

80 We broke out the good stuff for White House bash yesterday. hick

Posted by: John Stoned Boner at January 22, 2013 12:53 PM (+kznc)

81 I used to play poker with Boehner before he was elected SOH. You could tell he was bluffing when he would shit his pants and start crying. It was a subtle tell, but an experienced player would usually pick up on it.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 22, 2013 12:53 PM (+lsX1)

82 Fun with math. If our debt is $17 trillion and there are 6 billion people on Earth, each would have to pay nearly $3000 to pay our debt. So the solution is obvious. We just need to get $3000 out of each man, woman, and child on the face of the Earth.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 22, 2013 12:53 PM (Hx5uv)

83 Aye, tasker, get ready for the end, because it's coming and naught can be done to stop it.


We benefit from instantaneous communication in this era, we're watching the world slide into chaos one frame at a time. We benefit by knowing beforehand what is going to happen - we should use this knowledge as best we can.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal, LiB advocate at January 22, 2013 12:53 PM (Gdxt9)

84 Yarg?


Posted by: EC at January 22, 2013 12:52 PM (GQ8sn)


Bannion made the motion. Up for vote.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 22, 2013 12:54 PM (da5Wo)

85
Yay. Boehner has realized it's time to....


Watch It Burn.


Because it's burning anyway, and the pitiful tiny cuts that would be a fig leaf are meaningless.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 22, 2013 12:54 PM (1Y+hH)

86 BTW- what's your strategy? You know, besides shouting and criticizing every deal?
Posted by: Marcus at January 22, 2013 12:41 PM (GGCsk)

Not addressed to me, but what the heck, I'm game: I would say to Republican members of the House: How's about no deals? You can't make a deal when the other guy is uniformly acting in bad faith. Lock it up, shut it down, get nasty and personal and call these rat bastards out for what they are. Use the word 'Marxist' a lot. Stop pretending the Obama Administration is business as usual and for the love of God please stop playing 'go along and get along'. Worried about getting blamed for the economic catastrophe coming our way? No worries: thanks to the MSM, the GOP is going to catch the blame for any negative outcome on any given issue for the foreseeable future.

Damnit, fight these people. No more nice.

Posted by: troyriser at January 22, 2013 12:54 PM (vtiE6)

87 voters, Ron Paul voters, voted for the JEF. How does that circle get squared?
Posted by: thunderb at January 22, 2013 12:49 PM (Dnbau)

No one trusts republicans to fix a damn thing, which leads to vote for the guys who tip the best since we are going to go down the toilet. Get yours now. Seems quite sane to me.

Posted by: Invictus at January 22, 2013 12:54 PM (OQpzc)

88 We puts the Visa on the Mastercard, the Mastercard on the American Express, and the American Express on the Visa and we calls it paying our debts.

Posted by: Two Strippers Fighting Over a Dollar at January 22, 2013 12:54 PM (SzAZ7)

89 "Anyone here seriously believe that even if Romney had won, this
spineless GOP Congressional contingent would ever have backed any
substantive fiscal reforms?"

This was my whole argument against Romney from day one. And this is why Romney lost. Romney claimed he was going to cut spending, but also wanted to dramatically expand the military, along with some other feel-good programs like Pell grants, and he swore he wouldn't cut a dime from entitlement programs, oh, and he was going to somehow lower taxes. It was like a magic carpet ride and pure b.s.

Posted by: Andrew at January 22, 2013 12:54 PM (HS3dy)

90 Another victory for President Obama.

I just fired another celebratory 12 gage slug into the tree next to the garage. Like Ulysses Grant, celebrating each telegraphed piece of new about Sherman's successes in the heart of the confederacy, firing a cannonade salute into the besieged breastworks of Petersburg, Virginia.

It is a big tree, but I figure by the time this presidency plays out, I will have cut it down with shotgun lead, just as all the trees around Petersburg got wasted by the cannon fire.

Posted by: The littl shyning man at January 22, 2013 12:54 PM (PH+2B)

91 The pay freeze isa baby step, but also needs to include a prevention of retro pay (or a >100% tax on such income)for the non-budget period and cover POTUS, VPOTUS, all appointed exec branch staff and all staff for members of Congress. In addition each increase to the debt limit should permanently auto-cut all federal salaries and pensions by the same percentage as the debt limit is increased. They need to have some skin in the game.

Posted by: DenverGregg at January 22, 2013 12:54 PM (5tPx9)

92 As irresponsible as suspending the debt ceiling is, allowing Washington to borrow recklessly like this begs the question:

Who'd be stupid enough to lend to us?

All these other nations are supposedly taking their money out to invest somewhere safer. Seems to me our creditors are figuring out their likelihood of getting repaid isn't so good...

Or is Washington planning to "borrow" at gunpoint?

Posted by: Keith Arnold at January 22, 2013 12:55 PM (n4EDK)

93 Posted by: Jollyroger at January 22, 2013 12:50 PM (t06LC)

Exactly. "Tax the rich" is about all the Dems have. Give it to them. Take it off the table. They'll burn through the money in a few months.

Democrats: "Vote for us and we'll give you whatever you want, and the rich will pay for it." The Left pees its collective pants with glee every election knowing that the Right will let them run on that slogan, again and again.

How dumb do we have to be to let them keep doing it?

Posted by: CJ at January 22, 2013 12:55 PM (9KqcB)

94 And to think I used to get pissed at people saying there's no difference between the parties.

***

The difference is that the Dems will screw you and smile. The Repubs will screw you and cry.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 22, 2013 12:55 PM (Hx5uv)

95 Can someone PLEASE tell some of the women on FNC they do not have to shout into the microphone.

Posted by: Jypsea Rose is @AmericanGypsea at January 22, 2013 12:56 PM (dDQqO)

96 Somewhere in Washington, Michelle Obama is picking her teeth with John Boehner's cracked femur.

Posted by: t-bird at January 22, 2013 12:56 PM (FcR7P)

97 81 I used to play poker with Boehner before he was elected SOH. You could tell he was bluffing when he would shit his pants and start crying. It was a subtle tell, but an experienced player would usually pick up on it.
---------------

LOL
Coffee meet keyboard.

Posted by: gigg at January 22, 2013 12:56 PM (41VCE)

98 House leaders, after unveiling the legislation TheBoning Monday, are planning to hold a vote Wednesday on their plan to allow the government to keep borrowing through May 18.

Fixed.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2013 12:56 PM (jZpAK)

99 Apparently you can get a Boenher without having any balls.

Posted by: maddogg at January 22, 2013 12:57 PM (OlN4e)

100 What if stupid, feel-good, symbolic acts are all you have to work with?

We gotta take these bastards. Now, we could fight 'em with conventional
weapons. That could take years and cost millions of lives. Oh no. No,
in this case, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation
absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on
somebody's part.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 22, 2013 12:57 PM (ZKzrr)

101 I can't really figure out who owns the penis that is constantly in my ass, but I will keep voting Democrat.

Posted by: Typical Liberal Voter at January 22, 2013 12:57 PM (4c71i)

102 Boner is Bammy's little bitch.

And if eyerolls, elbows and body language were weapons, he'd be wearing a toe tag in a DC morgue after that lovely coronation luncheon with Mooch yesterday.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 22, 2013 12:57 PM (UOM48)

103 In addition each increase to the debt limit should permanently auto-cut all federal salaries and pensions by the same percentage as the debt limit is increased. They need to have some skin in the game. Posted by: DenverGregg at January 22, 2013 12:54 PM (5tPx9)

Little tough for average Federal employees to have skin in the game since they're not members of Congress.

But if you mean, all Schedule C Federal employees and Members of Congress....then I am with you.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 22, 2013 12:57 PM (sbV1u)

104 Egan-Jones and Founder Sean Egan Agree to 18-Month Bars from Rating Asset-Backed and Government Securities Issuers as NRSRO

The Securities and Exchange Commission today announced that Egan-Jones Ratings Company (EJR) and its president Sean Egan have agreed to settle charges that they made willful and material misstatements and omissions when registering with the SEC to become a Nationally Recognized Statistical Rating Organization (NRSRO) for asset-backed securities and government securities.

zerohedge

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 22, 2013 12:57 PM (xz0nG)

105 I can't stand listening to Hewitt but he's had this nailed since the 2010 elections.

Yeah, he's usually a plain GOP establishment bootlicker but on this he makes sense.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows where thou concealest thy þr0n at January 22, 2013 12:58 PM (Lxw+T)

106 83 Aye, tasker, get ready for the end, because it's coming and naught can be done to stop it.


We benefit from instantaneous communication in this era, we're watching the world slide into chaos one frame at a time. We benefit by knowing beforehand what is going to happen - we should use this knowledge as best we can.
Posted by: Kinley Ardal, LiB advocate at January 22, 2013 12:53 PM (Gdxt9)

___________________

Sorry --Greece is still floating.

France is still grinding on.

America is going to take awhile to sink.

We aren't there yet.

Posted by: tasker at January 22, 2013 12:58 PM (r2PLg)

107 Why bother. Why fucking bother?
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 22, 2013 12:52 PM (NWGUG)

No reason at all. I've actually suffered finacial loss defending the Rs in public. No more.

Posted by: Invictus at January 22, 2013 12:58 PM (OQpzc)

108 The other thing I said this morning is he can not hold pay for anyone in congress. 27th amendment says no. Also, who in the hell does he think will pass that bill in the Senate?


The stupid SOB is massive fail on every score.

Posted by: Vic at January 22, 2013 12:59 PM (53z96)

109 Interesting to see Schumer take de facto lead of the Senate. I wonder how poor Hare-brained Reid feels about the Party finally acknowledging he's an imbecile.

Posted by: Margarita who wishes she drank more at January 22, 2013 12:59 PM (C8mVl)

110 Seriously, whoever is shocked at this must be some kind of low grade retard. I mean, eating your own crap and not knowing any better retard. Like Biden.

Posted by: maddogg at January 22, 2013 12:59 PM (OlN4e)

111 "103 In addition each increase to the debt limit should permanently auto-cut all federal salaries and pensions by the same percentage as the debt limit is increased. They need to have some skin in the game. Posted by: DenverGregg at January 22, 2013 12:54 PM (5tPx9) "

Cutting the pay of serving members of the military because of Congressional dysfunction seems vindictive to me.

Posted by: Jordan at January 22, 2013 12:59 PM (Hz1zc)

112 Or is Washington planning to "borrow" at gunpoint?

What's this "borrow" you speak of?
Fire up the printing presses!

Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2013 01:00 PM (jZpAK)

113 107 Why bother. Why fucking bother?
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 22, 2013 12:52 PM (NWGUG)

No reason at all. I've actually suffered finacial loss defending the Rs in public. No more.
Posted by: Invictus at January 22, 2013 12:58 PM (OQpzc)


THIS. Fucking this.

Posted by: Jypsea Rose is @AmericanGypsea at January 22, 2013 01:00 PM (dDQqO)

114 What's worse, having Boehner as the leader, or knowing that those we've got representing us in the House voted him as their leader?

Posted by: t-bird at January 22, 2013 01:00 PM (FcR7P)

115 Or is Washington planning to "borrow" at gunpoint?
Posted by: Keith Arnold at January 22, 2013 12:55 PM (n4EDK)1.Americans own most ofthe publicdebt. They won't pull the plug and ruin the game.2. China owns 8%, othersownthe rest. I think the Brits have about 10%.They won't pull the plug either, we are still the most fair casino in town, which tells you just how bad things are.3. We can actually pull this off over the next ten years or so. We will slowly lose about 45% of all private wealth in the country. The PTB hope it will happen slowly enough that people won't react much.They are probably right.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 22, 2013 01:00 PM (1Y+hH)

116 The United States has started transporting French soldiers and equipment to Mali as part of its logistical aid to French forces fighting Islamist militants in the north of the country, a U.S. official said on Tuesday.

obama is turning us into mercenaries for hire

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 22, 2013 01:00 PM (9Bj8R)

117 voters, Ron Paul voters, voted for the JEF. How does that circle get squared?

Posted by: thunderb at January 22, 2013 12:49 PM (Dnbau)


A lot of Ron Paul supporters hate the mainstream Republican party b/c they think the 'pubbies deliberately try to keep Luap Nor sidelined; and they're largely right. So they voted for the JEF out of spite.

When Luap Nor left the race,a lot of his younger supporters, like Kelly Clarkson, voted for JEF because he's still considered "cool" for some incomprehensible reason. They're an incredibly stupid group of people.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 22, 2013 01:00 PM (4df7R)

118 frackin pixy

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 22, 2013 01:00 PM (1Y+hH)

119 Does this blog still SWOON over Chris Christie?

Posted by: Dan at January 22, 2013 01:00 PM (/7gN/)

120 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 22, 2013 01:01 PM (/eBe8)

121 And to think I used to get pissed at people saying there's no difference between the parties.

***

The difference is that the Dems will screw you and smile. The Repubs will screw you and cry.
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 22, 2013 12:55 PM (Hx5uv)

______________________

Scalia.

Ginsburg.

Differences that last a lifetime.

Posted by: tasker at January 22, 2013 01:01 PM (r2PLg)

122 Exactly. "Tax the rich" is about all the Dems have. Give it to them. Take it off the table.

THEN can we burn the witch?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2013 01:01 PM (jZpAK)

123 obama is turning us into mercenaries for hire

"Isn't it great how he's ending all the wars!"

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 22, 2013 01:01 PM (ZKzrr)

124 Boehner, McConnell and the rest of the establishment repubs want conservatives/Tea Party types out of the party. I'm thinking that the only way to do this is collaborate with the dems enough to force disgusted conservatives to a third party or disgust the constituents enough demand a third party.

Either way, it would put conservatives in a position of forming a non-viable third party, or just giving up.

Posted by: Soona at January 22, 2013 01:01 PM (N2KVu)

125 "Anyone here seriously believe that even if Romney had won, this spineless GOP Congressional contingent would ever have backed any substantive fiscal reforms?"

No one runs for office to lose. Republicans will implement fiscal reforms when the Right has altered the electoral discourse enough to make it safe for reforms.

Posted by: CJ at January 22, 2013 01:01 PM (9KqcB)

126 Greece and France are still floating out of mere desperation and denial. The same can be said of America - but they're not the world's reserve currency or military superpower. No one trusts France or Greece to be the world's stabilizing force, and quite shortly, no one will be trusting America for that, either.


When it goes crazy, it's going to happen really, really fast.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal, LiB advocate at January 22, 2013 01:01 PM (Gdxt9)

127 Sniff sniff sniff.. I smell a troll

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 22, 2013 01:01 PM (9Bj8R)

128 "Just read Charles Krauthammer's "You can't govern from the House" column
that's been discussed around here. Seens like the Speaker read it."

Krauthammer is a supreme idiot. Apparently he missed the part where Congress makes laws, and Executive branch simply executes them. All that effort by our founders to make the executive as powerless as possible and we piss it away. What are Reps even for then? So much for consent of the governed and protecting individual liberty. Who cares what the people in Texas think, fuck you, the ghettos of New York and Chicago have spoken!

Posted by: Andrew at January 22, 2013 01:02 PM (HS3dy)

129 119Does this blog still SWOON over Chris Christie?Posted by: Dan at January 22, 2013 01:00 PM (/7gN/) I think even the denser morons have come to their senses on the fat bastard RINO.

Posted by: maddogg at January 22, 2013 01:02 PM (OlN4e)

130 After a while, you've got to feel sorry for the Man of Tan. What must it be like waking up every morning and realizing something happened in your mouth?

Burn the GOP. To the fucking ground.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 22, 2013 01:02 PM (zF6Iw)

131 Clinton appointed--

350 judges for life.

Examples of his appointments--

Breyer, the afore mentioned Ruth Bader, Sotomayor.

Posted by: tasker at January 22, 2013 01:03 PM (r2PLg)

132 There's a GOP County Executive meeting tonight.

We've a special resolution to vote on regarding this exact matter.

I'm tempted to pose the question: "Is the national GOP worthy of our continued support? Or should we move to dis-associate the local and state party from the national party?"

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 22, 2013 01:03 PM (imtbm)

133 obama is turning us into mercenaries for hire

Worse. If we were "for hire" we'd get paid.

It's kind of like the slut/whore argument. At least one of them is getting paid.

Well, in this group, we're not getting paid.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 22, 2013 01:03 PM (/eBe8)

134 Bill text: http://1.usa.gov/V4AsND

Posted by: 80sBaby at January 22, 2013 01:03 PM (YjDyJ)

135 and quite shortly, no one will be trusting America for that, either.


_____________________

That's why the bond ratings and markets matter.

Posted by: tasker at January 22, 2013 01:04 PM (r2PLg)

136 I'm tempted to pose the question: "Is the national GOP worthy of our
continued support? Or should we move to dis-associate the local and
state party from the national party?"


Do. It.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 22, 2013 01:04 PM (/eBe8)

137 Krauthammer is a supreme idiot.


Dr. K remains on my shitlist for his ridiculous grandstanding leading up to the 2008 election, when he played "I might just endorse Obama because PALIN" over and over ad nauseum.

Posted by: BlueStateRepub at January 22, 2013 01:04 PM (7ObY1)

138 "Who'd be stupid enough to lend to us?"



We are.



Fucking surreal isn't it?



Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 22, 2013 01:04 PM (4c71i)

139 16+ Trillion in debt....it has burned already.

I remember when I thought 2 trillion was bad.

Any spending cuts will be set for future congress' to delete before the cuts go into affect.

Posted by: Mekan at January 22, 2013 01:05 PM (hm8tW)

140 Does this blog still SWOON over Chris Christie?

If by 'swoon' you mean 'would love to give him a colonoscopy with a Roto-Rooter', then yeah, that's us.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Meadow Party 2016 at January 22, 2013 01:05 PM (GBXon)

141 ]Apparently he missed the part where Congress makes laws, and Executive branch simply executes them.

Lol. The Dark Age Before Obama was quaint, wasn't it?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at January 22, 2013 01:06 PM (ZKzrr)

142 Krautstupid only has one good thing he cares about, protect Israel at all cost. The rest of his schtick goes all the way back to his days with Jimmy Carter. Piss on him too.

Posted by: Vic at January 22, 2013 01:06 PM (53z96)

143 If Obama has a blank check for four months, why wouldn't he just borrow enough in that window to cover a year or more worth of debt?The open market probably couldn't handle a trillion dollar float but the Fed could and would.Maybe it's in the wording but it's clearly an invitation to Obama to just rid them of this mess.
Posted by: DrewM. at January 22, 2013 12:44 PM (AR+tO)



Exactly. Oh Jesus fuck I just realized what this is. It's baseline debt ceiling. That's precisely what this is. As the baseline budget goes up, so does the debt ceiling.


brb going up the road not across the street

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 22, 2013 01:06 PM (VtjlW)

144 "No one runs for office to lose. Republicans will implement fiscal
reforms when the Right has altered the electoral discourse enough to
make it safe for reforms."

Now that's a pussy argument if I've ever heard one. You do realize that the GOP controls the House? The national discourse is already on their side, they simply aren't doing what they were elected to do... because they are afraid of the media and their job security as a washington bureaucrat. If you are saying we need to take control over the media, hmm, maybe that's an idea. Instead of donating to the GOP we should form super PACs to buy controlling interests in all the major media companies.

Posted by: Andrew at January 22, 2013 01:06 PM (HS3dy)

145 Does this blog still SWOON over Chris Christie?

The only positive thing I have to say about Christie is that he pissed off the teacher's unions and won. Other than that, he's dead to me. Give me Scott Walker, Union Buster, any day over Krispy Kreme Christie.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 22, 2013 01:07 PM (4df7R)

146 Well, in this group, we're not getting paid.

We're also dumb enough to be surprised that the guy hasn't called us for a second date.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows where thou concealest thy þr0n at January 22, 2013 01:07 PM (Lxw+T)

147 Oh, and how many "Tea Party" and other "good conservative" congresscritters still voted for Boehner for Speaker? Almost all of them.So please, stop with the Tea Party garbage. These clowns may run as Tea Partiers, but that stance ends at the door of the House.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 22, 2013 01:07 PM (NWGUG)

148 Its easy to always blame the "leaders" but sometime blame must be placed on the public. If the GOP cannot win a fight where an increase in the debt limit which is already above $2 trillion cannot be met with dollar for dollar spending cuts, then we must accept one of two things (a) our "leaders" are inept at winning that fight, or (b) the public doesn't much care because the public things money grows on trees - or is just printed - or should simply be taken from the Warren Buffet's of the world who keep telling us that he wants to be taxed more.

Yes Boehner is not a great negotiater, but the client he represents doesn't much care. The American public doesn't seem to care about the debt ceiling. We do. But we are in the minority (if we were in the majority, John McCain would be in his 2nd term).

Let's stop blaming Boehner for all failures and start accepting the fact that the public could care less if the debt ceiling needed to be raised to $200 trillion.

Posted by: SH at January 22, 2013 01:07 PM (gmeXX)

149 @133 It's kind of like the slut/whore argument. At least one of them is getting paid.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Tell me about it.

Posted by: Two Strippers Fighting Over a Dollar at January 22, 2013 01:07 PM (SzAZ7)

150 Now that's a pussy argument if I've ever heard one.

______________

You must have missed--

the just get ready for The End argument.

Posted by: tasker at January 22, 2013 01:07 PM (r2PLg)

151
Spendy = good
Cutty = bad

Got that comrades? There will be a quiz tomorrow.


Posted by: @PurpAv at January 22, 2013 01:07 PM (GlnE7)

152 The GOP, especially the leadership, needs to just shut up...as in SHUT THE f**K UP!

No more talking to the press, shun the president, don't react to anything the Prez says. Don't take his 'phone calls, don't 'negotiate', no more deal making. Just say no. No tax increases, no more regulation, no more spending, no more debt increases.

The GOP leadership has to get it through their thick skulls that Obama is the enemy. He has said so, he has declared the republicans to be his enemies, and it's long past time the GOP started acting like it.

Posted by: Skandia Recluse at January 22, 2013 01:08 PM (97B5i)

153 Worse. If we were "for hire" we'd get paid.

It's kind of like the slut/whore argument. At least one of them is getting paid.

Well, in this group, we're not getting paid.


I'm just here for the cookies.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2013 01:08 PM (jZpAK)

154 "I'm tempted to pose the question: 'Is the national GOP worthy of our
continued support? Or should we move to dis-associate the local and
state party from the national party?'"

You're far more polite than I could ever hope to be.

I would be posing a question involving the national GOP, torches and pitchforks, tar, and feathers.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 22, 2013 01:08 PM (gqT4g)

155 We're Boehned

Posted by: kbdabear at January 22, 2013 01:08 PM (wwsoB)

156 Yeah. I was pretty annoyed when I finally dared to turn Fox News back on last night. The show (I forget which) had a bank of three Republican congresscritters on it.

One was talking about how *awesome* Obama's speech was.

The second was talking about how they needed to raise the debt ceiling for three months to give Obama and congress time to get together to forge a long-term solution to the problem. No indication of why they hadn't managed to forge a solution during the past four years or, for that matter, the first two when the Democrats controlled both houses of congress.

I didn't hear what the third guy was saying because I had already switched back to my collection of Zatoichi movies.

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at January 22, 2013 01:08 PM (xGZ+b)

157 Let's stop blaming Boehner for all failures and
start accepting the fact that the public could care less if the debt
ceiling needed to be raised to $200 trillion.





Posted by: SH at January 22, 2013 01:07 PM (gmeXX)

Boner doesn't represent the "public". He is supposed to be a Republican. Yes, I blame the worthless cockholster.

Posted by: Vic at January 22, 2013 01:09 PM (53z96)

158 No reason at all. I've actually suffered finacial loss defending the Rs in public. No more.
Posted by: Invictus at January 22, 2013 12:58 PM (OQpzc)

Yep, we are putting our house on the market, expecting to take it in the ass for 40K. Thank god we still won't be underwater. I honestly do not know how thirty somethings are making it right now. What dream are they chasing? WTF?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 22, 2013 01:09 PM (l86i3)

159 Exactly. Oh Jesus fuck I just realized what this is. It's baseline
debt ceiling. That's precisely what this is. As the baseline budget
goes up, so does the debt ceiling.


I don't know about you, but I feel better now.

I'm sure this couldn't possible be abused in any way, and that even if it could, our Glorious Leader President wouldn't possibly give in to any such temptation.
...
...
...




I'm alone on that one, huh?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 22, 2013 01:10 PM (/eBe8)

160 I'm just here for the cookies.

Tough shit, fattie.

Posted by: Mooch at January 22, 2013 01:10 PM (ZKzrr)

161 76 --- "Aye, the Republican party is dead. I will not vote for them again so long as the country exists ..."
Posted by: Kinley Ardal, LiB advocate at January 22, 2013 12:52 PM (Gdxt9)

Good job, David Plouffe! As he came right out and said a couple of days ago, this is exactly what Obama is up to. Divide, demoralize, and utterly destroy the GOP. These guys are great politicians, you have to admit.
The Repubs, OTOH, are pretty pathetic, although they're not quite as stupid as the GOP base, which will hand the gavel back to Madame Pelosi in the insane belief that it will hasten the second coming of the Founders.

Posted by: Margarita who wishes she drank more at January 22, 2013 01:10 PM (C8mVl)

162 THEN can we burn the witch?

Burn it. Beat it.Slap it. Hug it. Whatever you like.

Posted by: CJ at January 22, 2013 01:10 PM (9KqcB)

163 It's kind of like the slut/whore argument. At least one of them is getting paid.


They are both getting paid. They just call the payment by different terms.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 22, 2013 01:10 PM (l86i3)

164 I'm tempted to pose the question: "Is the national GOP worthy of our continued support? Or should we move to dis-associate the local and state party from the national party?"
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I think that is a valid question. And the national party needs to understand the depth of our displeasure with them.

Posted by: gigg at January 22, 2013 01:10 PM (41VCE)

165 "(b) SPECIAL RULE RELATING TO OBLIGATIONS ISSUED DURING SUSPENSION PERIOD.—Effective May 19, 2013, the limitation in section 3101(b) of title 31, United States Code, as increased by section 3101A of such title, is increased to the extent that—

-> (1) the face amount of obligations issued under chapter 31 of such title and the face amount of obligations whose principal and interest are guaranteed by the United States Government (except guaranteed obligations held by the Secretary of the Treasury) outstanding on May 19, 2013, exceeds

-> (2) the face amount of such obligations outstanding on the date of the enactment of this Act. An obligation shall not be taken into account under paragraph (1) unless the issuance of such obligation was necessary to fund a commitment incurred by the Federal Government that required payment before May 19, 2013."

Posted by: 80sBaby at January 22, 2013 01:11 PM (YjDyJ)

166 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 22, 2013 01:07 PM (4df7R)

Ah, my sister is here.

Are you in mourning too?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 22, 2013 01:11 PM (sbV1u)

167 I'm alone on that one, huh?


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 22, 2013 01:10 PM (/eBe



Very, very alone.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 22, 2013 01:11 PM (da5Wo)

168 Good job, David Plouffe! As he came right out and said a couple of days
ago, this is exactly what Obama is up to. Divide, demoralize, and
utterly destroy the GOP. These guys are great politicians, you have to
admit.




I see another one who doesn't read comments. Obama is not doing this dividing, fucking Boner is.

Posted by: Vic at January 22, 2013 01:12 PM (53z96)

169 "No one runs for office to lose. Republicans will implement fiscal

reforms when the Right has altered the electoral discourse enough to

make it safe for reforms."

***

Hey, that's the same time 'm going on that super strict diet and exercise program.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 22, 2013 01:12 PM (Hx5uv)

170 "Does this blog still SWOON over Chris Christie?"



Been away for a little while have we?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 22, 2013 01:12 PM (4c71i)

171 I honestly do not know how thirty somethings are making it right now. What dream are they chasing? WTF?

We take care of Obama, he take care of us!

Posted by: Peggy Joseph at January 22, 2013 01:12 PM (ZKzrr)

172 Burn it. Beat it.Slap it. Hug it. Whatever you like.

Posted by: CJ at January 22, 2013 01:10 PM (9KqcB)



Sounds like a helluva Friday night.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 22, 2013 01:12 PM (da5Wo)

173 Bill text: http://1.usa.gov/V4AsND
Posted by: 80sBaby at January 22, 2013 01:03 PM (YjDyJ)

Who cares anymore? It is all lies.

Posted by: Invictus at January 22, 2013 01:12 PM (OQpzc)

174 The second was talking about how they needed to raise the debt ceiling for three months to give Obama and congress time to get together to forge a long-term solution to the problem.

Definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome.

STOP TRYING TO "WORK" WITH OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATS. Jesus CHRIST.

How much does it cost to rent one of those airplanes that tows one of those long banners behind it so car dealerships can advertise big sales, or so big festivals can advertise their dates? Can we all club together some money and rent one of those planes, and for the message can we write something like, "Obama DOESN'T WANT TO NEGOTIATE. He wants to DESTROY. Quit helping him!"

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 22, 2013 01:12 PM (4df7R)

175 Burn it. Beat it.Slap it. Hug it. Whatever you like. Posted by: CJ at January 22, 2013 01:10 PM (9KqcB)

Smack it up, flip it, rub it down, oh, no!

Posted by: BBD at January 22, 2013 01:12 PM (sbV1u)

176 Let's stop blaming Boehner for all failures and start accepting the fact that the public could care less if the debt ceiling needed to be raised to $200 trillion.
Posted by: SH at January 22, 2013 01:07 PM (gmeXX)

Presumably, Boehner worked hard to achievethepreeminentleadership position in the House. He wanted it. He aspired to it. He is accountable.

Speaking of accountabiity, if Boehner allows that wretched gun control legislation to go up for a vote on the basis of almost exclusively Democratic support, he needs to be removed. Enough is enough.

Posted by: troyriser at January 22, 2013 01:12 PM (vtiE6)

177 "Does this blog still SWOON over Chris Christie?"

Here's a reliable guide to avoiding swoons over supposed conservative champions who will then turn out to be untrustworthy, unfaithful RINO squishes:

Gun control. That's it. Those two words. That simple.

McCain? Gun control backer. Squish. Romney? Gun control backer. Squish. Christie? Gun control backer. Squish.

Remember this straightforward rule of thumb in 2014 Senate races, and in the 2016 Presidential primaries.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 22, 2013 01:12 PM (gqT4g)

178

Young peopleare in such dire straits here. They will be a lost generation, in terms of financial independence. Very few of them will build any wealth.
___ ___ ___ ___ _

Many boomers are also introuble. But that's mostly their own fault. they waited to late to save even if things had gone well. Now that things will not go well formany years, their lives will be finished in poverty.
__ ___ ___ ___ __ __ ___

There's going tobe a good market for studio apartments. Giant complexes of studio apartments and assisted living facilities.


Dang I hate being pessimistic, I've never had to do this before. But reality is what it is. I don't see any magicsolutions here unless some scientists really do finda way to producevery low-cost energy. And guess who will screw that up?

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 22, 2013 01:13 PM (1Y+hH)

179 I honestly do not know how thirty somethings are making it right now. What dream are they chasing? WTF?


Hi mom! Hi dad!

I'm moving back in!!!

Posted by: EC at January 22, 2013 01:13 PM (GQ8sn)

180 let it burn, white hot

Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at January 22, 2013 01:13 PM (GVxQo)

181 147 Oh, and how many "Tea Party" and other "good conservative" congresscritters still voted for Boehner for Speaker? Almost all of them.So please, stop with the Tea Party garbage. These clowns may run as Tea Partiers, but that stance ends at the door of the House.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 22, 2013 01:07 PM (NWGUG)h


I've been on about this lately. I'm not "falling in love" with any Tea Party conservative (Rubio. Rand. etc) Something happens when they hit DC. I already worry Rubio is starting to fall a little bit too much in love with himself.

Of course...they do still check themselves when the MSM threatens withholding invites to the cocktail parties.

Posted by: Jypsea Rose is @AmericanGypsea at January 22, 2013 01:13 PM (dDQqO)

182 I'd be Ok with this if it also includes a repeal of the light-bulb ban.

Posted by: Serious Cat at January 22, 2013 01:13 PM (UypUQ)

183 Hey, that's the same time 'm going on that super strict diet and exercise program.

Just remember not to eat the brains, as tasty as they may seem. You might get that Indonesian laughing disease we read about a few weeks ago.

Posted by: t-bird at January 22, 2013 01:14 PM (FcR7P)

184 119 Does this blog still SWOON over Chris Christie?

We try not to talk about him.

Posted by: Dark Ages at January 22, 2013 01:14 PM (+kznc)

185 Exactly. "Tax the rich" is about all the Dems have. Give it to them. Take it off the table.

How about this: "Tax the shit out of [your income bracket here]."

Now how does that calculus work for you? Because by fucking you over, you see, we can take this issue off the table.

Posted by: Blacksheep at January 22, 2013 01:14 PM (8/DeP)

186 I honestly do not know how thirty somethings are making it right now. What dream are they chasing?

Well, some of us are doing it by putting on our big boy (or girl) pants, realizing that the dream of being paid to play video games probably isn't going to pan out, and getting on with our lives.

The rest moved back in with Mom and Dad.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 22, 2013 01:15 PM (/eBe8)

187 Yes and no. But it doesn't matter. You assume all republicans think the same as you and me. They don't. Conservatives right now are in the minority. As Drew says a conservative nation does not elect Barack Obama twice. You are asking something from Boehner that he is incapable of delivering. Its like asking Matt Schaub to be like Tom Brady. He is not. Will never be.

Now, I'd be happy if the GOP laid down a marker and just took the political fall-out whatever it may be. Hey worked for Obama on Obamacare. I suspect it won't be nearly as bad as predicted. Just like it wasn't in 1994.

Boehner may be speaker of the house, but he shouldn't be the spokesman for the GOP. Frankly, I would just let Rubio, Cruz, Paul and Ryan do all the talking. But it is impossible to shut up 250 politicians.

Regardless, we do need to understand that the public just doesn't care. So figure out a way to get the public to care, do nothing and take the poltical fall-out, or just accept the fact the best we can hope for is to minimize whatever damage may come.

Posted by: SH at January 22, 2013 01:15 PM (gmeXX)

188 Good job, David Plouffe! As he came right out and said a couple of days ago, this is exactly what Obama is up to. Divide, demoralize, and utterly destroy the GOP.
These guys are great politicians, you have to admit.

No. They are street level thugs with bought off cops. (MFM) If the cops (MFM) were doing their jobs, these hucksters would have already been run out of town.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2013 01:15 PM (jZpAK)

189 Yes Boehner is not a great negotiater, but the client he represents doesn't much care. The American public doesn't seem to care about the debt ceiling. We do. But we are in the minority (if we were in the majority, John McCain would be in his 2nd term). Let's stop blaming Boehner for all failures and start accepting the fact that the public could care less if the debt ceiling needed to be raised to $200 trillion.
Posted by: SH at January 22, 2013 01:07 PM (gmeXX)


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I'm really beginning to realize why Americans are so in love with zombie movies.

Posted by: Soona at January 22, 2013 01:15 PM (N2KVu)

190 Who'd be stupid enough to lend to us?

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Everyone. That's the dirty secret about all this debt spending. They know it can and will go on for a long, long time.

Look, everyone knows that China is cooking the shit out of their books--flat out lies. And yet: Everyone pretends it's legitimate.

Easier to believe the lie.

Same thing here. It will go on a lot longer than you or I can "go Galt."

That's the plan.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 22, 2013 01:16 PM (imtbm)

191 Posted by: SH at January 22, 2013 01:15 PM (gmeXX)


What fucking part of SID do you not understand. What fucking part of no more CRs do you not understand?

Posted by: Vic at January 22, 2013 01:16 PM (53z96)

192 173 Who cares anymore? It is all lies.

It is our duty as citizens to be informed.

Posted by: 80sBaby at January 22, 2013 01:17 PM (YjDyJ)

193 I have defended the GOP and Boehner, and I still think Boehner is a good man and we must try to fix the national, but the best we can do is concentrate and take care of our states and let it be known that the heart of the GOP thinks Federal bailouts of individual states breaks the Republic.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 01:17 PM (LRFds)

194 152--- "The GOP leadership has to get it through their thick skulls that Obama is the enemy. He has said so...."
Posted by: Skandia Recluse at January 22, 2013 01:08 PM (97B5i)

THIS.
A thousand times THIS.
If they are going to be politicians --- I dare not hope for statesmen --- they should at least grasp the political situation.

Posted by: Margarita who wishes she drank more at January 22, 2013 01:18 PM (C8mVl)

195 Are you in mourning too?
Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 22, 2013 01:11 PM (sbV1u)



*patting your back* I was yesterday, but today I'm much better. As of this morning I've replaced my mourning with fresh loathing for the bastards who besmirch the name of one of my favorite corvids.

Go 49ers!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 22, 2013 01:18 PM (4df7R)

196 Perhaps we should give up on fiscal goals and try to get policy done instead? Let Obama run the debt up as high as he wants but in exchange we get reductions in regulations??

Posted by: Serious Cat at January 22, 2013 01:18 PM (UypUQ)

197 It is our duty as citizens to be informed.



Posted by: 80sBaby at January 22, 2013 01:17 PM (YjDyJ)

We are informed, that's why we think Boner and his "moderate" ilk should be run out of Washington on a rail coated with hot tar and goose feathers.

Posted by: Vic at January 22, 2013 01:19 PM (53z96)

198 Does this blog still SWOON over Chris Christie?

Hey, I got a toldjaso song,

Weellll, I always new he was a phony fat fuck
Always new he was a phony fat fuck
with an ass as wide as a Semi truuuuuuck..
I always knew he was a phony fat fuck.

Guitar solo

Big finish

Yeah I knew
OSP knew
Yeah I knew
OSP knew
Yeah I knew
OSP knew.....Fade out.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 22, 2013 01:19 PM (l86i3)

199 These clowns may run as Tea Partiers, but that stance ends at the door of the House.

It ended when the first lobbyist greased them with a bag of cash.

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 22, 2013 01:19 PM (GlnE7)

200 There's going tobe a good market for studio apartments. Giant complexes of studio apartments and assisted living facilities.

Conex boxes and an arc welder and you are an instant 1%'er slum lord!

Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2013 01:19 PM (jZpAK)

201 "Speaking of accountabiity, if Boehner allows that wretched gun control legislation to go up for a vote on the basis of almost exclusively Democratic support, he needs to be removed. Enough is enough."

It is a stupid law, but I think it would be better to vote it down than bottle it up. Republicans could follow it up with a bill overhauling our broken mental health system and punishing violent criminals.

Posted by: Jordan at January 22, 2013 01:19 PM (Hz1zc)

202 Drew,
I appreciate the fact that you are holding Boehner to account for his weaseling. However, let us face the fact that the majority of Americans don't want tax increases particularly but they don't want real spending cuts either. When looking at public opinion polling, increasing taxes looks popular if phrased in a certain way--however, if a person anticipates that THEIR taxes will go up then most will decline. Same thing on spending cuts, public is for in the abstract, but usually oppose them when they are specific. In the case of SS and Medicare, people already feel that they have paid for it (the whole account scam report like a 401k stmt) and thus vociferously resist cuts in these areas.

It is not exceptional that every single democratic welfare republic country, even those governed by so-called Conservatives in much more powerful parliamentary systems, is facing the same budgetary issues and responding in the same wobbly way. The voracious desires of the public for benefits coupled with the desire to avoid the taxes to pay for them seems a universal value in western social democracies. The response by these governments is to borrow for spending today and screw the future. So every government is choosing the same tactics whether leftist or rightist: increasing tax rates on the rich, borrowing like a drunk gambler in Vegas on a losing streak, and a resolute refusal to recognize universal welfare states are ultimately unsustainable.

Boehner is simply not a leader that Republicans on the Hill are willing to die for just like good ole Denny Hastert. No leader among Senate Republicans appear present as well right now. Sen. McConnell is an inside deal maker, par excellence, while it appears that Boehner is not. Neither inspire confidence, let alone fierce loyalty necessary to pursue building a climate for massive cutbacks in government spending. However, Republicans seem unified in at least recognizing that a fiscal emergency exists, regardless of whether they have the courage or popular ideas to address it.

The Democrats refuse the very idea that there is a crisis that can't be solved by tax increases and insist that no government spending crisis exists. When the fiscal crisis destroys this illusion, my guess is that the Democratic caucus will shatter as spending is the glue that holds the coalition together similar to the slavery crisis of 1850's. Hopefully the Republicans will have another Lincoln waiting in the wings for this crisis or we will have a new party coalescing in the debris that will.

Posted by: wg at January 22, 2013 01:20 PM (pddwo)

203 I honestly do not know how thirty somethings are making it right now. What dream are they chasing? WTF?



By waking my ass up at 5am every morning and coming to work. Being grateful that the family business was run by men smart enough to prepare for lean times. By working hard to do the best I can at making the most of what work is out there. By not counting on anyone else to pay my way.


By being what made America great to begin with.


My dream is the same as it's always been. Provide for my family. Leave my children better off than I was. Raise them to be polite, productive members of society.


Those dreams haven't changed. They've just gotten harder to achieve.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 22, 2013 01:20 PM (da5Wo)

204 186 Allen G,

and some of us are getting ready for the Feds to start nuking their livelihood unremarked upon....

it makes me angry but I can't help chuckling that the donks think the apathy at Obama's games with the military will stop with the military....civil servants you're next.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 01:20 PM (LRFds)

205 Scalia.



Ginsburg.



Differences that last a lifetime.
==========
I'll checkmate you with a "Roberts."

It doesn't fucking matter when that's your "conservative" Justice.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 22, 2013 01:20 PM (imtbm)

206 Let Obama run the debt up as high as he wants but in exchange we get reductions in regulations??

With the "legislation-by-regulation" scheme as it's currently set up, that's a no-go. Especially with this Executive, the reg agencies can pass whatever rules they want (and do), and then thumb their noses at congress.

You'd have actually defund/abolish agencies like the EPA and ATF.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 22, 2013 01:20 PM (/eBe8)

207 I see another one who doesn't read comments. Obama is not doing this dividing, fucking Boner is.
Posted by: Vic at January 22, 2013 01:12 PM (53z96)

No one is dividing us if we don't let them.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 22, 2013 01:20 PM (9Bj8R)

208 191 What fucking part of SID do you not understand. What fucking part of no more CRs do you not understand?

The current CR funds the government through March 27th. This bill only addresses the debt ceiling.

Posted by: 80sBaby at January 22, 2013 01:21 PM (YjDyJ)

209 Boehner and the GOP love to play the "long game' because it means you never have to actually reach the destination.

Posted by: jjshaka at January 22, 2013 01:21 PM (Bq/A9)

210 With enemies like this, who needs friends?

Posted by: sTevo at January 22, 2013 01:21 PM (rxj2i)

211
These clowns may run as Tea Partiers, but that stance ends at the door of the House.



When the newbies show up, the power-holders (oldbies) tell them:


You will play ball or you will be a nobody on the back bench without even a committee assignment, got it?

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 22, 2013 01:21 PM (1Y+hH)

212 Now that's a pussy argument if I've ever heard one. You do realize that the GOP controls the House? The national discourse is already on their side, they simply aren't doing what they were elected to do...

See, this is the delusion thatserves to make blog commenters feel good and nothing else. The national discourse is on the side of the GOP House? Come on man.

Americans do not want smaller government. There is no incentive for that right now, as long as they don't have to pay more taxes. None. Americans do not want smaller government. And jumping up and down and demanding that Republicans do something that Americans don't want is pure theater. Democrats vote to grow government because it wins them elections. When they have to raise taxes on the middle class, they lose elections.

Again, politics is not the place for economics lessons. Politicians up for election every two can't be expected to educate the masses. Democrats don't do it. It's fantasy to expect Republicans to. The voters are our people. Our neighbors and maybe family members. Change them and you change Washington. Take the Washington-first approach, and you keep losing.

Posted by: CJ at January 22, 2013 01:21 PM (9KqcB)

213 196 Serious Cat,

That's be nice if it worked....

HAHAHAHAHA they won by destroying the economy with bullshit overregulation and raising minimum wage....

you think they care about recovery or will allow us to do it easily?

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 01:22 PM (LRFds)

214 What fucking part of SID do you not understand. What fucking part of no more CRs do you not understand?

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As a conservative, I accept the world as it is, not how I wish it to be. My point is the same as Drew's long theme of Let it Burn. This country is not conservative - at least not fiscally conservative. The country does not care about debt ceiling fights or whether the Senate has passed a budget or not. Why would they (has the lack of a Senate budget done anything)?

The tax fight was tangible. People noticed that more money was taken out of their paycheck. The debt ceiling is about intangibles. Sure there may be some tangibles, but they are indirect costs, not direct, at least to the average tax payer.

Our politicians have basically said there is no real-world cost to borrowoing over $2 trillion. So how do you expect to win a fight over a few billion more dollars.

Posted by: SH at January 22, 2013 01:22 PM (gmeXX)

215
Its like asking Matt Schaub to be like Tom Brady. He is not. Will never be.

SH You are right about that. And as to Boner, I have accepted our imminent destruction because there is nothing I can do to stop it. I have taken all necessary precautions and will survive but I think the country is fucked.

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at January 22, 2013 01:23 PM (R8hU8)

216 he came right out and said a couple of days ago, this is exactly what
Obama is up to. Divide, demoralize, and utterly destroy the GOP


Obama's plans are even grander than that...he intends to hijack the Democrat party and turn it into the Obama party. Even the Dems will not recognize their own party four years from now.

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 22, 2013 01:23 PM (GlnE7)

217 (if we were in the majority, John McCain would be in his 2nd term).




If we were in the majority McRINO would've never been the candidate.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 22, 2013 01:23 PM (cTbYx)

218 Fuck DC. They've isolated themselves from freedom loving Americans. It's up to the states to start pushing back and telling DC to get fucked. We've already seen a bit of this already. I'm sure we'll be seeing more in the next four years.

If you live in a blue state, you're SOL.

Posted by: Soona at January 22, 2013 01:23 PM (N2KVu)

219 Those dreams haven't changed. They've just gotten harder to achieve.
Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 22, 2013 01:20 PM (da5Wo)__ ___ ____ ___ ___ ___ Your hard work is the exception now, it was once the norm. Most workers today are on facebook at the office more than at work.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 22, 2013 01:23 PM (1Y+hH)

220 Politics is the real world, not your silly 'mathematics.'

Just because an asteroid is hurtling towards the earth is no reason to risk electoral defeat.

Posted by: The GOP at January 22, 2013 01:23 PM (g2ldK)

221 205 Scalia.



Ginsburg.



Differences that last a lifetime.
==========
I'll checkmate you with a "Roberts."

It doesn't fucking matter when that's your "conservative" Justice.
Posted by: RoyalOil at January 22, 2013 01:20 PM (imtbm)


___________________

Clinton appointed--

350 judges.

The lower courts matter.

There is Scalia, Thomas and Alito.

I get that a lot of you are emotional right now--but that isn't a luxury you can afford for very long.

Posted by: tasker at January 22, 2013 01:24 PM (r2PLg)

222 The current CR funds the government through March 27th. This bill only addresses the debt ceiling.


Posted by: 80sBaby at January 22, 2013 01:21 PM (YjDyJ)

Obviously you are not as "informed" as you think you are. We have been hitting the debt ceiling for weeks now and it has only been through gimmicks that they are getting by.
If Boner was WAS there would be NO.DEALS and we would shut down the parts of government that are not absolutely necessary and FORCE them to live on tax collections as the come in UNTIL the worthless cockersofsuck realized that the House was serious.

Posted by: Vic at January 22, 2013 01:24 PM (53z96)

223 "Good job, David Plouffe! As he came right out and said a couple of days
ago, this is exactly what Obama is up to. Divide, demoralize, and
utterly destroy the GOP. These guys are great politicians, you have to
admit."

Translation: Even though I'm complicit with Obama and can still taste him in my mouth, you must keep voting for me because Obama has a secret plan to get you to stop voting for me.

Posted by: Andrew at January 22, 2013 01:24 PM (HS3dy)

224 "...the California Teachers Association, which collects a whopping $300 million in annual dues. While they burn through mountains of dues lobbying for everyone else to pay higher taxes, these Democratic partisan heavies pay nothing in either federal or state income taxes. Zero, zip, nada."

This is from a Michelle Malkin article from Dec. 7 of last year.

We can all be mentors, right? We can mentor each other as well as the little children, right? So, if we set up the (your state here) Mentors Association and acquired the proper non-profit status, the dues would decrease all incomes and then could be redistributed back to each dues-payer as "mentoring conference fees."

No matter what income each (ysh)Mentoring Association member earned that year, their union dues would bring them down to a modest 23K .

Example:

Dr. Nick Riviera billed 350K last year. But his Illinois Mentoring Association dues were 327K. His taxable income was 23K. He owes no taxes. And the Dr. also had 327K in mentoring conference costs reimbursements last year.

Silly? Maybe. But incomes are going way down from here on out. I mentor you good people to find a creative way to lower yours.

And now I'm going to pay myself $3500 for this little mentoring conference. Out of my dues.



Posted by: Opus An Arcus at January 22, 2013 01:25 PM (7hbHT)

225 Damn, nobody liked my toldyaso song.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 22, 2013 01:25 PM (l86i3)

226 Hell we should try to out freeshit the freeshit Army/Donk connection...

Hey poor folks how owuld YOU like a check for 30,000 bucks?

Because that's how much fucking debt Choom has cost you....so why not do it again only this time YOU GET THE MONEY!


If you take fuckhead Krugman at his word as an "economist" that will stimulate the economy....Barry has no problem with shiftless poor getting paid right?

FOOT ON THE GAS!

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 01:25 PM (LRFds)

227 FOOT ON THE GAS!
---
Carbon tax, here we come.

Posted by: sTevo at January 22, 2013 01:26 PM (rxj2i)

228 As a conservative, I accept the world as it is, not how I wish it to be.


You sound more like Boner than a conservative. Boner has the power to stop this shit but he can't do it if his diapers are full of green shit.

Posted by: Vic at January 22, 2013 01:26 PM (53z96)

229 @75

Blacksheep's right. Psychotic... but absolutely right. We gotta take these
bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons, but that could
take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all
out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and
stupid gesture be done on somebody's part!




Blacksheep:
We're just the guys to do it.

Posted by: Otter at January 22, 2013 01:27 PM (EZl54)

230 we would shut down the parts of government that are not absolutely necessary and FORCE them to live on tax collections as the come in UNTIL the worthless cockersofsuck realized that the House was serious.
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Vic - I agree that we should do that. But it isn't simply Boehner that probably wishes that not to happen, a good majority of the GOP caucus doesn't want that to happen. Sure some members of the TP caucus probably won't mind, and I'm quite certain I wouldn't mind, but you are asking Boehner and the majority of Congress to do something that the public does not want. I wish that were not the case, but it is.

Posted by: SH at January 22, 2013 01:27 PM (gmeXX)

231 227 Stevo,

No that is the donks and their BAD SPENDING!

We in the GOP say "FREE MONEY FOR ALL!"

a 30,000 check for every American!

it'll only cost 300,000,000 *30,0000

Hell we wouldn't want to be racist! so klet's make it 30,000* 6,000,000,000!

FREE SHIT FOR ALL!

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 01:28 PM (LRFds)

232 Fragging is for losers.

Posted by: tasker at January 22, 2013 01:28 PM (r2PLg)

233 Carbon policy as a means of redistributing wealth because fuck stick can't live up to his word.

Its a coming.

Posted by: sTevo at January 22, 2013 01:29 PM (rxj2i)

234 Most workers today are on facebook at the office more than at work.


AoSHQ.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2013 01:29 PM (jZpAK)

235 197 We are informed, that's why we think Boner and his "moderate" ilk should
be run out of Washington on a rail coated with hot tar and goose
feathers.


My point is that we should not make excuses when it comes to our duty to evaluate legislation. How can you issue praise or condemnation when you are not familiar with the bill?

Posted by: 80sBaby at January 22, 2013 01:29 PM (YjDyJ)

236 you are asking Boehner and the majority of Congress to do something that
the public does not want. I wish that were not the case, but it is.


Other things the "public [did] not want"

ObamaCare
Their SS Withholding to go back up.
The Muslim Brotherhood in charge of Egypt.
"Boots on the Ground" in Syria.

Hmmm... seems like these things have something else in common, too...

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 22, 2013 01:29 PM (/eBe8)

237 I am tired of being the battered housewife who gets smacked around if I don't show proper deference to the Masters of the House. If I don't cough up my time and money to keep them in comfort, then it's MY fault that they beat me. If I give them ALL my time and ALL my money it will still never be enough, because "The Other Guy" has a seraglio that gives him MORE time and MORE money -- or so the Masters of the House tell me --- so it's MY fault that the MotH beat me for not being enough of a slave.

I'm done. I've got more self-respect than that.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 22, 2013 01:29 PM (4df7R)

238
The more republicans fail the more we demand of them.
___ ___ ____ ___ ___ __ _

They don't have the courage to deal with the fiscal problem, deal with that. They are content to accept Bernanke's plan to steal the public's wealth to the tune of about 3.5% a year for as long as it takes so they can retire into lobbying and pile up enough buck to insulate themselves from the deluge.

___ ____ ____ ___ _

95% of politicians are not on our side. The rest are powerless against the ensconced leadership.


Prepare.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 22, 2013 01:29 PM (1Y+hH)

239 "If Boner was WAS there would be NO.DEALS and we would shut down the parts of government that are not absolutely necessary and FORCE them to live on tax collections as the come in UNTIL the worthless cockersofsuck realized that the House was serious. "

Despite the sturm und drang, I think Boehner has his eyes on 2014. I don't think he will shut down the government because he believes he would lose some seats, as Gingrich did.

Posted by: Jordan at January 22, 2013 01:29 PM (Hz1zc)

240
"The GOP leadership has to get it through their thick skulls that Obama is the enemy."

But if we make fun of Sarah Palin, we can get the independents and the intellectuals.

Posted by: jwest at January 22, 2013 01:30 PM (ZDsRL)

241 You sound more like Boner than a conservative. Boner has the power to stop this shit but he can't do it if his diapers are full of green shit.
-----

I'm quite confident in my conservative beliefs. But you think Boehner shares your same believes, which he does not, and you forget Friedman's rule on politicians. Boehner is simply responding to the incentives set before him.

Feel free to blame this all on Boehner if you want, but the real blame lies with the public.

Posted by: SH at January 22, 2013 01:30 PM (gmeXX)

242 233 Stevo,

Yeah most likely then so too will the riots and the wrecking....

and I am not sure ethically where my loyalty lies in that case...

I know I will most likely never help the govt against them at best and may help wreck the government stuff at worst

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 01:30 PM (LRFds)

243 They really have no idea don't give a shithow restless and unhappy the citizenry is (are?), do they? None at all.
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 22, 2013 12:50 PM (4df7R)

FIFY.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 22, 2013 01:30 PM (zF6Iw)

244 SH at January 22, 2013 01:27 PM (gmeXX)


There is quite a bit of the public that doesn't want what's going on right now either. At this point it's not about want but need. We need to do something to stop the freight train that is the donks. Shut it down... FOR THE CHILDREN!!!

Posted by: Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain at January 22, 2013 01:30 PM (bj+Nc)

245 238 Meremortal,

I have a better idea....

start openly petitioning your governor to secede.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 01:30 PM (LRFds)

246 Most workers today are on facebook at the office more than at work.


AoSHQ.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2013 01:29 PM (jZpAK)

I would never think of doing this while i'm at work. My grandpa told me that when a man pays you a wage, you owe him the best you got. I have always believed that.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 22, 2013 01:31 PM (l86i3)

247 SH and 80sbaby, I'll bet you guys think we need another "moderate" in 2016 so we can turn blue states red.


I'm tired of playing this stupid game. Boner has the power which is exhibited by the fact that he was just reelected.

Posted by: Vic at January 22, 2013 01:31 PM (53z96)

248 GOP: "Obama only beats me because I deserve it."

Posted by: Tonic Dog at January 22, 2013 01:31 PM (X/+QT)

249 If the GOP is truly going to "let it burn," this is exactly what they should do.
But maybe they should stop tallking about the cuts they'll extract in exchange - because we all know they'll get jack and shit.
The only good that can come of this is making Obamao and the Dems own it.

Posted by: DRayRaven at January 22, 2013 01:31 PM (9wR2B)

250 There's going tobe a good market for studio apartments. Giant complexes of studio apartments and assisted living facilities.



Made of Soviet-grade concrete-like substance. P.J. O'Rourke once said of flying over divided Germany in the 80s, you could see the socialism from the air. At the border, the landscape suddenly turned into nothing but gray, boxlike apartment towers.

Posted by: BlueStateRepub at January 22, 2013 01:31 PM (7ObY1)

251 "Under the proposal, Congress would withhold the pay of lawmakers in
either the House or the Senate if their chamber fails to pass a budget
by April 15."
***
That'll weed out the pesky uncorrupted ones. Yeah.

Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at January 22, 2013 01:32 PM (MhA4j)

252 Most workers today are on facebook at the office more than at work.


AoSHQ. Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2013 01:29 PM (jZpAK)__ ___ ___ ___ ___ That too. I'm 85% Galt so I can get away with it.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 22, 2013 01:32 PM (1Y+hH)

253 We should start encouraging everyone to start petitioning John kerry to invite us all over for a spin on HIS FUCKING YACHT

Free Shit for all!

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 01:32 PM (LRFds)

254 Feel free to blame this all on Boehner if you want, but the real blame lies with the public.

Funny how it's always society's fault, not the person.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 22, 2013 01:32 PM (g2ldK)

255
Despite the sturm und drang, I think Boehner has his eyes on 2014. I
don't think he will shut down the government because he believes he
would lose some seats, as Gingrich did.
============
Gingrich lost SEVEN fucking seats, seven. While the GOP gained--GAINED--two seats in the Senate.

How horrible, yeah?

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 22, 2013 01:32 PM (imtbm)

256 I would never think of doing this while I'm at work.
---
Just because I am at home doesn't mean I'm not 'working'. It a blurry line for me.

Posted by: sTevo at January 22, 2013 01:33 PM (rxj2i)

257 238 Meremortal,

I have a better idea....

start openly petitioning your governor to secede.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 01:30 PM (LRFds)__ ____ ____ ___ ____ Hickenlooper?OK, my tummy hurts from laughing now.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 22, 2013 01:33 PM (1Y+hH)

258 Fuck this shit I've had enough.

Posted by: Vic at January 22, 2013 01:34 PM (53z96)

259 Other things the "public [did] not want"ObamaCareTheir SS Withholding to go back up.The Muslim Brotherhood in charge of Egypt."Boots on the Ground" in Syria.Hmmm... seems like these things have something else in common, too...
-----

I would offer that the public cares about the first two things, but is very indifferent to the last two (well I guess the public probably does not want boots on the ground in Syria).

But all those are direct actions, with immediate tangible results. You see your health insurance bill go up, you see your taxes go up, you see troops in Syria. The budget ceiling is about indirect costs. Same as regulations. It is much harder to win those fights with the public. Much easier to win the tax fight. The gun fight. Etc. Indirect economic arguments are difficult to win.

Posted by: SH at January 22, 2013 01:34 PM (gmeXX)

260 255 Royal Oil,

but how many more would we gain if we just went on tv and said, "you know the President ran against a man and has often spoken of those with stuff winning life's lottery....and I finally agree so America congrats you all hit the powerball....

FREESHIT FOR ALL!

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 01:34 PM (LRFds)

261 isn't it lovely? the rino's are worried about losing their seats instead of worrying about the ruination of the country.....how selfish of the fucktards! let it burn

Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at January 22, 2013 01:34 PM (GVxQo)

262 Yeah most likely then so too will the riots and the wrecking....
---

Oh perfect, now we get to fill up all of these empty detention facilities.

Posted by: sTevo at January 22, 2013 01:34 PM (rxj2i)

263 Just because I am at home doesn't mean I'm not 'working'. It a blurry line for me.
Posted by: sTevo at January 22, 2013 01:33 PM (rxj2i)

I suppose in many cases the lines are blurred, but if I am in their establishment paid to do their work, then no.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 22, 2013 01:34 PM (l86i3)

264 Most workers today are on facebook at the office more than at work.
Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 22, 2013 01:23 PM (1Y+hH)



That is such a lie. Some of us are here.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 22, 2013 01:35 PM (VtjlW)

265 256 Stevo,

yeah tell me about it...though admittedly I am in a transitional phase deciding whther to take on any new work.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 01:35 PM (LRFds)

266 I'd like to get photos and letters from the poor starving people I'm now supporting monthly with my $300 pay reduction.

At least when you donate to SPCA or one of those starving kids on World Vision commercials, you get to have photos and updates on how much their lives are improving.

Posted by: spypeach at January 22, 2013 01:35 PM (pwTow)

267 Feel free to blame this all on Boehner if you want, but the real blame lies with the public.

Posted by: SH at January 22, 2013 01:30 PM (gmeXX)


Not exactly. In 2010, there was a GOP landslide which switched them to majority status in the House primarily, but not entirely, because of the Tea Party. There was a clear mandate at that point to start slashing spending to a sustainable level. As I responded earlier, Hugh Hewitt was adamant to Paul Ryan and other Reps that they were squandering an opportunity and if they didn't do it nobody would trust them. Ryan always responded "Wait and see what we'll do" and the answer now is "You didn't do a fucking thing and why should we trust you ever?"

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 22, 2013 01:35 PM (cTbYx)

268 262 Stevo,

okay then what comes next is justified...

I am getting past caring,.......

the American public thinks we can spend to infinity awesome let's test the fucking hypotrhesis!

FREE SHIT FOR ALL!

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 01:36 PM (LRFds)

269 I would never think of doing this while i'm at work. My grandpa told me that when a man pays you a wage, you owe him the best you got. I have always believed that.Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 22, 2013 01:31 PM (l86i3) ___ ____ ___ ___ ____ ___ Another example of why we are so lost in these times. We are relics of an era that has passed.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 22, 2013 01:36 PM (1Y+hH)

270 I am exempt, which means I get to work all the hours I need to get the job done, at fixed salary.

Posted by: sTevo at January 22, 2013 01:36 PM (rxj2i)

271 Gingrich lost SEVEN fucking seats, seven. While the GOP gained--GAINED--two seats in the Senate.

7 / 435 ~= 1.6%
2 / 50 = 4%

Now, I know it's hard for some people, but a gain of 4% of the seats in the upper chamber is worth the cost of losing 1.6% of the seats in the lower chamber. 4 > 1.6.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 22, 2013 01:36 PM (/eBe8)

272 Damn, nobody liked my toldyaso song.

***

I don't know. If it had a beat and I could dance to it I'd probably rate is 80.

Posted by: American Bandstand Dancers at January 22, 2013 01:36 PM (Hx5uv)

273 Despite the sturm und drang, I think Boehner has his eyes on 2014

Such a clever move, pushing the debt ceiling off since, what, 2010 until he could spring his Masterful Plan- Ha-HA!- on us in 2014.

Posted by: t-bird at January 22, 2013 01:37 PM (FcR7P)

274
That is such a lie. Some of us are here.Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 22, 2013 01:35 PM (VtjlW) Ace Of Face?

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 22, 2013 01:37 PM (1Y+hH)

275 There is no way that we could be in these dire financial straights, (without even touching on any other attacks on freedoms), without seeing the GOP as one of guilty parties.

You can choose between , corruption, complicity, cowardice, ineptitude, electoral survival or any number of other combinations, but this collapse couldn't happen without their participation.
Yeah, you Boner and Senator Mcpicklesmooch

So yeah, SID.

The GOP as currently oriented is not worth spit.

And Rush is finally broadsiding the Republicans now as well.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 22, 2013 01:37 PM (aZ6ew)

276 266 Spypeach,

I've been to California and the folks there are either porn queens or not worth looking at....

they can keep the pics although I empathize....

FREE SHIT FOR ALL!

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 01:37 PM (LRFds)

277 "Gingrich lost SEVEN fucking seats, seven. While the GOP gained--GAINED--two seats in the Senate."

Gingrich was coming off an electoral victory. If Boehner loses twice in a row, he will lose his job, either to a Democrat or to another Republican. There was no serious challenge to Boehner's speakership this time, but if he is perceived to be the cause of another electoral defeat, there will be.

Posted by: Jordan at January 22, 2013 01:37 PM (Hz1zc)

278 I'd like to get photos and letters from the poor starving people I'm now supporting monthly with my $300 pay reduction.


It's in your lock box! That's your money! Don't you care about your future!


Yeah. I don't believe that either. I was talking to Mommy yesterday and she mentioned how horrible she felt for me because I'll never see a penny of Social Security. I was all gee thanks Mommy like I wasn't depressed enough.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 22, 2013 01:37 PM (VtjlW)

279 I don't know. If it had a beat and I could dance to it I'd probably rate is 80.
Posted by: American Bandstand Dancers at January 22, 2013 01:36 PM (Hx5uv)


LOL

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 22, 2013 01:37 PM (l86i3)

280 lol spypeach!!!!!! brilliant idea!!!! of course i'll puke if i get a fat sweaty guy with orange fingertips unkept hair and beard filled with food sitting on his couch in his soiled yfronts

Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at January 22, 2013 01:37 PM (GVxQo)

281 I still can't fathom the level of incompetence on the part of (most) republicans. We have the House - so in theory, unilateral, un-override-able veto power over spending. And we're giving everything away. Barry won, but so did the House republicans. Somehow, I believe that if the democrats held only the House against a republican President and Senate, they'd find a way to get whatever the hell they wanted. Inexcusable.

Posted by: Dante at January 22, 2013 01:38 PM (NWLVJ)

282 I realloy cannot imagine a day without Presdent Obama in my life to help me. I feel that if the rest of cpunty were to feel this way then all the problems Bush created would be solved.

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, Vt and Proud of it !!!!!!!!!! at January 22, 2013 01:39 PM (48wze)

283 An obligation shall not be taken into account under paragraph (1) unless the issuance of such obligation was necessary to fund a commitment incurred by the Federal Government that required payment before May 19, 2013.



So you slam all the contracts through with a May 18, 2013 payment date. What's that? The contracts didn't go through the appropriate bidding proceess? Fuck you, TFG won.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 22, 2013 01:39 PM (VtjlW)

284 SH and 80sbaby, I'll bet you guys think we need another "moderate" in 2016 so we can turn blue states red.I'm tired of playing this stupid game. Boner has the power which is exhibited by the fact that he was just reelected.

----

Vic you have obviously never read any post of mine. I have never advocated for a "moderate" in office and don't advocate for a "moderate" approach. I'm not defending Boehner's tactics, only making the observation that your blame is misplaced, or that you should at least acknowledge that what you want is not supported by the public at large.

I simply accept the fact that the Speaker of the House doesn't have the power you think the Speaker has. While Congress may be a co-equal to the Executive (in theory anyway), Boehner simply leads half of half of Congress. So sure, he has some power, and maybe he should be wielding it differently. I'm fine with holding him more accountable, but I don't think he can accomplish what you want him to accomplish.

But sure, to show how conservative I am, let me just say this. Bring on the pitchforks. Down with Boehner. If that is how you show how conservative you are, no wonder we lose the message war.

Posted by: SH at January 22, 2013 01:39 PM (gmeXX)

285 These fucking assholes should all be deported. They do not represent us. They are not doing their very simple jobs, which is to represent us.

We need to implement some sort of punishment system for these worthless screw ups. Actually, nevermind. We could just vote them out if the American public wasnt so brain dead.

The blame lays squarely on the electorate. Let it fucking burn.

Posted by: ElKomandante at January 22, 2013 01:39 PM (Rxo2B)

286 One half of one third of government, not enough to do anything but more than enough to be blamed for everything.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 22, 2013 01:39 PM (Hx5uv)

287 Indirect economic arguments are difficult to win.

So I guess we shouldn't try then. Nice to know.

And, no, ObamaCare (at least) was not a "direct action." People are only just now- 3 years after its passage- finding out "what's in it."

The fact is the public supports principle. The Republicans haven't stood for anything since at least 2006. Ever since then they've given to whatever the Democrats demanded. They might have given up some good Kabuki performances, but they never stood- as in were willing to pay an actual price- for anything.

Democrats have, over and over and over.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 22, 2013 01:40 PM (/eBe8)

288 A source on the Hill (stop laughing, I have some) says the language of the debt ceiling suspension limits how much Obama can borrow based on the date of incurring the obligation.

And we expect Obammy to follow the law because...?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 22, 2013 01:40 PM (4df7R)

289 That shit-weasel Schumer. I kept hoping that a big block of ice would fall down on him during the inauguation. Revenue? Taxes assholes.
The Repubes should be in constant campaign mode against Obama's policies. The dems do this very well. Instead, I only hear Reupbes critizising each other and the tea party.
I read on anther site - Low-Fo's (low info voters) I like it because it goes so well with Mo-Fo's.

Posted by: Cheri at January 22, 2013 01:40 PM (G+Wff)

290 281 Dante,

no shit but you are assuming the public would cut through media bullshit....fuck Pelosi was acting like she ran DC as fucking minority leader the bitch....it's all about the media....

FREE SHIT FOR ALL!

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 01:40 PM (LRFds)

291 Look at these letters I've gotten from schoolchildren! If they weren't real, could I do this? (does Letterman gag). We just have to keep spending. For them.

Posted by: John Boehner at January 22, 2013 01:40 PM (FcR7P)

292
The people who frequent this place are much more informed and involved than a majority of the population. Sometimes this leads to people thinking "everyone" should see how bad things are etc. But, the reality is that most of the people "out there" leading their lives day to day, don't know and don't care about things like the debt ceiling. People who run up huge debts on their multpile credit cards and only pay the minimum every month don't see a problem with the way Congress and the Presidentare doing business economically.


Now, who wins the next season of the Voice, that's the important shit right there. /sarc

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at January 22, 2013 01:40 PM (RZ8pf)

293
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 22, 2013 01:35 PM (VtjlW)

__ ___ ___ ___

You have hit on something though. This place is facebook without the pictures and sidbard ads.

___ ___ ___ ___

I got rid of my personal fb pages months ago. Still use the band page to cause trouble, which mostly consists of hiding liberal posts.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 22, 2013 01:40 PM (1Y+hH)

294 There is only one explanation. Obama has pictures of Boner in a diaper baby suit, or something. It's the only thing that makes sense.

Posted by: sTevo at January 22, 2013 01:41 PM (rxj2i)

295 282
I realloy cannot imagine a day without Presdent Obama in my life to help
me. I feel that if the rest of cpunty were to feel this way then all
the problems Bush created would be solved.

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, Vt and Proud of it !!!!!!!!!! at January 22, 2013 01:39 PM (48wze)

Oh just go blow it out your ass. Can you ever try to even remotely be on topic?
She's not for real is she?

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at January 22, 2013 01:41 PM (9+ccr)

296 Not exactly. In 2010, there was a GOP landslide which switched them to majority status in the House primarily, but not entirely, because of the Tea Party. There was a clear mandate at that point to start slashing spending to a sustainable level. As I responded earlier, Hugh Hewitt was adamant to Paul Ryan and other Reps that they were squandering an opportunity and if they didn't do it nobody would trust them. Ryan always responded "Wait and see what we'll do" and the answer now is "You didn't do a fucking thing and why should we trust you ever?"
--

Fair point, but what was the mandate. To stop Obamacare or to stop spending. To stop spending at all costs.

Posted by: SH at January 22, 2013 01:41 PM (gmeXX)

297 Okay. Gone again.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 22, 2013 01:42 PM (/eBe8)

298 Indirect economic arguments are difficult to win.

THIS

Every election in which Dems promise more stuff, without a middle class tax hike, leaves the GOP making indirect economic arguments they can't win.

Posted by: CJ at January 22, 2013 01:42 PM (9KqcB)

299
I'd like to get photos and letters from the poor starving people I'm now supporting monthly with my $300 pay reduction.



I'd get an illegal alien.

Posted by: EC at January 22, 2013 01:42 PM (GQ8sn)

300 They might have given up some good Kabuki performances,


Ahem. I know you know how to spell it.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 22, 2013 01:42 PM (VtjlW)

301 The people who frequent this place are much more informed and involved than a majority of the population. Sometimes this leads to people thinking "everyone" should see how bad things are etc. But, the reality is that most of the people "out there" leading their lives day to day, don't know and don't care about things like the debt ceiling. People who run up huge debts on their multpile credit cards and only pay the minimum every month don't see a problem with the way Congress and the Presidentare doing business economically. Now, who wins the next season of the Voice, that's the important shit right there. /sarc

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Sadly this is all true. This is what we are fighting against.

Posted by: SH at January 22, 2013 01:42 PM (gmeXX)

302 I'd get an illegal alien.
Posted by: EC at January 22, 2013 01:42 PM (GQ8sn)


Thats good with garden tools.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 22, 2013 01:42 PM (l86i3)

303 I think it would make a pretty good SNL skit.

Posted by: spypeach at January 22, 2013 01:42 PM (pwTow)

304 the reality is that most of the people "out there" leading their lives day to day, don't know and don't care about things like the debt ceiling.

What can we say, we're good!

Posted by: The MFM at January 22, 2013 01:43 PM (FcR7P)

305 Most workers today are on facebook at the office more than at work.

AoSHQ.
Posted by: rickb223

That too. I'm 85% Galt so I can get away with it.

I'm on my smartphone. Non-company phone.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2013 01:43 PM (jZpAK)

306

I notice that people are still laboring under the misconception that republican politicians want to fix things but are too stupid/cowardly to do so.


They don't want to fix it. Face it.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 22, 2013 01:43 PM (1Y+hH)

307 292 Paranoid Girl in Seattle,

There's something to your point.

I went to a fairly decent pizza joint called "Chicago's" up north to discuss my house and where it is at vis a vis the market and there were a lot of fat dumb and happy people there at lunch somehow not fathoming that a buffet that once cost 5 bucks now cost 8.50 and there "is no inflation!"


FREE SHIT FOR ALL!

If the public can't be bothered why should I anymore?

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 01:43 PM (LRFds)

308 John Boehner defines compromise: "I will kneel before Obama, but I will not fellate him."

(10 Minutes Later) "Mmmph, Mmmph, Mmmph, MMMMPH! Mmmph!"

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at January 22, 2013 01:43 PM (QXlbZ)

309 I am tired of being the battered housewife who gets smacked around if I don't show proper deference to the Masters of the House.
But he loves me. He gave me 20 billion in cuts spread over 10 years and this cubic zirconium ring.

Posted by: a woman with two black eyes and a broken arm at January 22, 2013 01:44 PM (ORGYc)

310 @271, actually your math is wrong. House lost only 6 seats during election.

234 to 228, so 6/234 = 2.56% loss.
53 to 55, so 2/53 = 3.77% gain.

Posted by: Andrew at January 22, 2013 01:44 PM (HS3dy)

311 And, no, ObamaCare (at least) was not a "direct action." People are only just now- 3 years after its passage- finding out "what's in it."

The fact is the public supports principle. The Republicans haven't stood for anything since at least 2006. Ever since then they've given to whatever the Democrats demanded. They might have given up some good Kabuki performances, but they never stood- as in were willing to pay an actual price- for anything.

Democrats have, over and over and over.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 22, 2013 01:40 PM (/eBe

_____________________

Do you remember how ObamaCare was passed?

Posted by: tasker at January 22, 2013 01:45 PM (r2PLg)

312 I'm on my smartphone. Non-company phone.Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2013 01:43 PM __ ___ ___ ___ Early adopter!

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 22, 2013 01:45 PM (1Y+hH)

313 cubic zirconium ring.
Posted by: a woman with two black eyes and a broken arm at January 22, 2013 01:44 PM (ORGYc)
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Mounted on a gold leafed tungsten band.

Posted by: Not Ready to Unsock at January 22, 2013 01:45 PM (1FLBb)

314 And Vic, just for the record, I am so moderate, that I would gladly supporta Sarah Palin run, because I think she would at least make honest arguments about my conservative beliefs. I have no clue whether she could or would win, but I would at least like the opportunity and would go to battle with her.

/I do not wish to start a Palin love/bashing post. There are numerous other candidates I would gladly support.

Posted by: SH at January 22, 2013 01:46 PM (gmeXX)

315 Free Shit for all!
Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 01:32 PM (LRFds)

Pork Party 2014.

Get yours while the dollar will still buy something.

Posted by: Invictus at January 22, 2013 01:46 PM (OQpzc)

316 Cheer up! When we look back on today a year from now, these will be the good old days.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 22, 2013 01:46 PM (Hx5uv)

317 222 Obviously you are not as "informed" as you think you are. We have been
hitting the debt ceiling for weeks now and it has only been through
gimmicks that they are getting by.


Taking "extraordinary measures" will get them through February and probably early March.

Posted by: 80sBaby at January 22, 2013 01:46 PM (YjDyJ)

318 308 John Boehner defines compromise: "I will kneel before Obama, but I will not fellate him."

(10 Minutes Later) "Mmmph, Mmmph, Mmmph, MMMMPH! Mmmph!"
Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at January 22, 2013 01:43 PM (QXlbZ)
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Tears, tears I tell you.

Posted by: Tears of John's Boehner at January 22, 2013 01:46 PM (1FLBb)

319 Also in the House no Republican voted for the Obama Stimulus and they only peeled off three Republicans in the Senate.

Collins, Snowe, and Specter.

Specter went Democrat soon after that.

Posted by: tasker at January 22, 2013 01:47 PM (r2PLg)

320 Yo, Boehner. There's a desk for you 'across the aisle'.

Posted by: EROWMER at January 22, 2013 01:47 PM (kxlCQ)

321
These threads are like The Twelve 12 Days of Christmas song.

I'll sing the last verse:

And no more Akinodonnellbuckangles, pleeeeeeease!

Posted by: soothsayer at January 22, 2013 01:47 PM (Y4TdB)

322 Let.It.Burn.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at January 22, 2013 01:47 PM (ADnWI)

323 I'm confused. Why would the Democrat budget "include revenues"?

Isn't that a matter for an appropriations bill?

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you have a budget, a list of all the money you want to spend on what things, and then an appropriations bill, wherein you write how you propose to get that money?

Posted by: I Work for Dick Jones at January 22, 2013 01:47 PM (MSrqi)

324 315 Invictus,

Mock the fuck out of them, offer nothing more serious than they do.....

say "I support farmers and i think there should be more farmers!"

"send me a self-addressed stamped envelope and I will send you as much as you like!"

FREE SHIT FOR ALL!

because folks that is precisely what the fuck the left does just more subtly

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 01:47 PM (LRFds)

325 Thats good with garden tools.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 22, 2013 01:42 PM (l86i3)

The females are also talented...cooking, I'm talking about cooking you pervs.

Posted by: Invictus at January 22, 2013 01:47 PM (OQpzc)

326
The GOP has nothing to offer the American voter looking for fiscal responsibility. I am a libertarian and will vote as such from here on out.

Posted by: California Red at January 22, 2013 01:48 PM (cB0VK)

327 Dr. Nick Riviera billed 350K last year. But his Illinois Mentoring Association dues were 327K. His taxable income was 23K. He owes no taxes. And the Dr. also had 327K in mentoring conference costs reimbursements last year.
Posted by: Opus An Arcus


As you can guess there are a number of things wrong with this. First, dues and fees are not deductible unless the org is qualified. Just because you file as a 501c3 doesn't mean your qualified. You would have to do a shit-ton of lobbying to make that happen. Possible if you got the group classified as a healthcare org.

Next, contributions from which you expect to receive a benefit are explicitly taxable. Page 6: www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p526.pdf

If they aren't dues or fees but a donation, you can't claim more than 50% of your income donated as a deduction. So automatically, $175k of that is still taxable. Further, there is no way the IRS would allow a 'reimbursement' on the back end. They'd make a ruling and declare it income.

Among probably another dozen other problems, you would run into gift tax maximums per year and per lifetime; $13k and $1mill.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 22, 2013 01:48 PM (xz0nG)

328 /I do not wish to start a Palin love/bashing post. There are numerous other candidates I would gladly support.
Posted by: SH at January 22, 2013 01:46 PM (gmeXX)
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Phew. Thanks for that, I thought I'd inadvertently stumbled into HotAir's comments and was preparing to don my helmet and flak vest.

Posted by: Not Ready to Unsock at January 22, 2013 01:48 PM (1FLBb)

329
There is no debt ceiling. Its just open air. And that is not rain falling on you.

PS - most of us said they would roll on this, so...er...congrats to us.


Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 22, 2013 01:48 PM (p/cQy)

330
She's not for real is she?

No she's not. I'm certain it's a Moron, just not sure who. IIRC, that's a takeoff on another real troll we once had here whose name escapes me at the moment.

She's as real as whoever does the Cansekus. And Hadji, the Muslim Comic.

*tap tap* This Western phallic device. It is on?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 22, 2013 01:48 PM (yiIja)

331 Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at January 22, 2013 01:41 PM (9+ccr)


Mary from Brattleboro is not real.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 22, 2013 01:48 PM (ytax8)

332 ObamaCare was passed without a single Republican vote.

Posted by: tasker at January 22, 2013 01:48 PM (r2PLg)

333 316 WalrusRex,

Yup and at some point he will maintain power only by guns....

FREE SHIT FOR ALL!

Claus/Marx 2016 VOTE GOP!

Outdonk the fuckers and get ready to divorce.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 01:49 PM (LRFds)

334 I am so happy knowing that presdent obama will in my life for the next four years! I may even look for a job to help pay taxes to help presdent obama bring down the debt Bush created............

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, Vt and Proud of it !!!!!!!!!! at January 22, 2013 01:49 PM (48wze)

335 Taking "extraordinary measures" will get them through February and probably early March.
Posted by: 80sBaby at January 22, 2013 01:46 PM (YjDyJ)

I don't want to get "though it." I want it shut down, or I want the pedal to the metal. Out lib the libs. See who blinks first.

Posted by: Invictus at January 22, 2013 01:49 PM (OQpzc)

336 I'd like to get photos and letters from the poor starving people I'm now supporting monthly with my $300 pay reduction.


Deer Mister White Racist with job, thank u fo the foteys and Newpotes. Here be a pitcher of me wit a fotey and a Newpote. I be headin' out to by sum choom now. Then I be sendin u a pitcher of me smokin da bluntz.

This be tha last leter u be receevin' frum me cuz letters be racist and shit. Unless they in ebonix. You foo.

Posted by: BlueStateRepub at January 22, 2013 01:49 PM (7ObY1)

337 Get yours while the dollar will still buy something.
Posted by: Invictus at January 22, 2013 01:46 PM (OQpzc)
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I buy shit all the time, TONS of it!

Posted by: Creflo Dollar at January 22, 2013 01:49 PM (1FLBb)

338 I am done voting at the ballot box, for me, its all with dollars now.

Posted by: sTevo at January 22, 2013 01:49 PM (rxj2i)

339 326 california Red,

I'd say that is totally noble but for the fact that the demcorats are fucking communists....

but hey fuck it


FREE SHIT FOR ALL!

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 01:50 PM (LRFds)

340 We need to organize a protest where everyone changes to exempt for a month on W-2's. ZERO withholding and demand a damn budget.

This is BS.

Posted by: smileynh at January 22, 2013 01:50 PM (hlZx/)

341 As long as the leftists own the pillars of the republic; the MFM, public education, financial institutions, we'll not see anything done on our part on the national level.

The individual states, however........

Posted by: Soona at January 22, 2013 01:50 PM (N2KVu)

342 What if none of us are REAL... REAL... REAL...?

Posted by: cac's inner consciousness at January 22, 2013 01:50 PM (ORGYc)

343 /I do not wish to start a Palin love/bashing post. There are numerous other candidates I would gladly support.
Posted by: SH at January 22, 2013 01:46 PM (gmeXX)


I love the Woman, I think she would be great. Knowing how she feels about this Country I'm thinking she might be up to something. I just found out that when I move this Summer, Trey Gowdy is gonna be my congresscritter. I like him too.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 22, 2013 01:51 PM (l86i3)

344 335 Invictus,

"hey you you on the couch would you like to pretend to make solar panels?"

"send me a self addressed stamped envelope and I will send you Van Jones with 242 million bucks......"

FREE SHIT FOR ALL!

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 01:51 PM (LRFds)

345 Ace on vacation again or something?

Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 22, 2013 01:51 PM (5mBjE)

346 Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, Vt and Proud of it !!!!!!!!!! at January 22, 2013 01:39 PM (48wze)
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I thought she was from Obamaboro. Brattleboro?

...

O.O

Ohhh, I see what you did there.

Posted by: Not Ready to Unsock at January 22, 2013 01:51 PM (1FLBb)

347 because folks that is precisely what the fuck the left does just more subtly
Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 01:47 PM (LRFds)

Everyone who ever wanted to be a farmer, but couldn't because their parents where trapped in a city need a check for $1M, because fairness.

Posted by: Invictus at January 22, 2013 01:52 PM (OQpzc)

348 And Todd is sexier than the first wookie too.

Posted by: sTevo at January 22, 2013 01:52 PM (rxj2i)

349 247 SH and 80sbaby, I'll bet you guys think we need another "moderate" in 2016 so we can turn blue states red.

Now you are just putting words in my mouth. If you go back and look at the 2012 primary threads, you will see that my first choice was Gov. Perry. For 2016, my top two choices would be Gov. Jindal and Gov. Walker.

Posted by: 80sBaby at January 22, 2013 01:52 PM (YjDyJ)

350 What if none of us are REAL... REAL... REAL...?
Posted by: cac's inner consciousness at January 22, 2013 01:50 PM (ORGYc)



So jealous of that hash. So. Jealous.


Also of CAC's hash but that's a different matter.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 22, 2013 01:52 PM (VtjlW)

351 Posted byORGYc)


Best hash tag ever?

Posted by: Jordan at January 22, 2013 01:52 PM (Hz1zc)

352 One more time, if you weren't convinced after yesterday's vigorous and enthusiastic splashing in the tank by the MFM, it all comes back to the marxist narrative in all media 24/7/365.

Until they are brought down, and completely destroyed, as they are SO CLEARLY joyfully doing to our once free country, NOTHING CHANGES.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 22, 2013 01:52 PM (aZ6ew)

353 Orgy Porgy puddin' cups and pie.

Mmm. Pie.

Posted by: cac's inner consciousness at January 22, 2013 01:53 PM (ORGYc)

354 I know Erickson isn't all that popular on this site, but I think he makes a fair point in his latest blog point. The debt ceiling point is not a good hill for us to fight on. It is about indirect economic arguments/process etc. Too difficult to explain. The better hill to fight on is related to funding for Obamacare. We actually have public support on that. It is a direct congressional action. That is where the GOP should actually fight.

Posted by: SH at January 22, 2013 01:53 PM (gmeXX)

355 347 Invictus,

were you, someone in your bloodline, someone like Lez worn you wished were in your bloodline, or someone you saw on TV ever discriminated against?

Hey don't worry sign this piece of paper and I'll hand you 284,000 bucks....

FREE SHIT FOR ALL!

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 01:53 PM (LRFds)

356 I know this is off topic but whatever happened to the coverage of the at least three dead American hostages?

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at January 22, 2013 01:53 PM (9+ccr)

357 Good job, David Plouffe! As he came right out and said a couple of days ago, this is exactly what Obama is up to. Divide, demoralize, and utterly destroy the GOP. These guys are great politicians, you have to admit. The Repubs, OTOH, are pretty pathetic, although they're not quite as stupid as the GOP base, which will hand the gavel back to Madame Pelosi in the insane belief that it will hasten the second coming of the Founders.

Well, sugar tits, since we have a ballless "leadership" who spent Coronation Day yukking it up with the Cocoa Crackhead and his Worfette, a former RNC head who dares lecture GOP-ers who didn't attend the lefty sperm-fest and a political class up and down the line who would rather get invited to a Georgetown cocktail party than cut a dime of spending, how would you suggest we influence them?

"Vote GOP or we're all doooooommed!!!" Sorry, but thatcard is maxed out. Go peddle it somewhere else. Along with your fucking shinebox.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 22, 2013 01:54 PM (zF6Iw)

358 but hey fuck it

FREE SHIT FOR ALL!
Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 01:50 PM (LRFds)
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Exactly. Great time to turn the heat up on the plebs who are oh so for righting the ship as long as, "Hey, don't cut my bennies!!!!"

When your kid is sneaking out every night to get high at some point you stop bailing him out and let him sit in jail for a few days.

Posted by: Not Ready to Unsock at January 22, 2013 01:54 PM (1FLBb)

359 Fair point, but what was the mandate. To stop Obamacare or to stop spending. To stop spending at all costs.



Posted by: SH at January 22, 2013 01:41 PM (gmeXX)


Fair point back at you. It was a combination based on each individual race. Scottie Centerfold, for example, was specifically elected to the Senate based on a promise to vote against Obamacare, which consistently polled poorly, and was pretty much a RINO piece of shit on stuff like Dodd/Frank which maybe he had to be to be re-elected in Taxachusetts. Scottie did keep his word and voted against Bammycare which meant the fuckheads had to resort to weird chicanery to get it passed and the rest is history.

Some of the House members definitely ran on slashing costs which was a cornerstone of the Tea Party. My problem is that cutting costs wasn't even tried in a greater than halfassed way. When the donks find themselves in a similar position that doesn't stop them from pursuing their agenda full steam ahead and damn the fucking torpedos. I can only speak for myself but I think that's what really fucking bugs a lot of my fellow morons; the Boehner is reading his Amy Vanderbilt and Emily Post while the donks are storming the gates and throwing all the rules of war in the fucking shitter.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 22, 2013 01:54 PM (cTbYx)

360 Ace on vacation again or something?
Posted by: Truman North, at 25% battery life at January 22, 2013 01:51 PM (5mBjE)

It sucks realizing you've been a useful idiot.

Posted by: Invictus at January 22, 2013 01:55 PM (OQpzc)

361 356 Donna,

what hostages?

Nothing happened since November but getting ready for yesterday.

//M$M

FREE SHIT FOR ALL!

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 01:55 PM (LRFds)

362 "And Vic, just for the record, I am so moderate, that I would gladly
supporta Sarah Palin run, because I think she would at least make honest
arguments about my conservative beliefs. I have no clue whether she
could or would win, but I would at least like the opportunity and would
go to battle with her."

Is this the same Palin that quit her governorship early because she was afraid of some bad press? Or is this the Palin that created a super PAC and ran around collecting money from people like she was running for president but then did absolutely nothing?

LOL @ Palin Supporters


Posted by: Andrew at January 22, 2013 01:55 PM (HS3dy)

363 354 I know Erickson isn't all that popular on this site, but I think he makes a fair point in his latest blog point. The debt ceiling point is not a good hill for us to fight on. It is about indirect economic arguments/process etc. Too difficult to explain. The better hill to fight on is related to funding for Obamacare. We actually have public support on that. It is a direct congressional action. That is where the GOP should actually fight.


Why do we only get to fight in one place? The Democrats sure fight at every turn.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 22, 2013 01:55 PM (ytax8)

364 What three dead American hostages???

Posted by: MFM at January 22, 2013 01:55 PM (ORGYc)

365 80sBaby - sometimes when you disagree with a poster, or make a counter argument you are branded as a Rino. There is more to being a conservative than constant bitching about GOP leadership. Though admittedly that is a big part.

Posted by: SH at January 22, 2013 01:56 PM (gmeXX)

366 Algeria? Never heard of it.

Posted by: charles gibson at January 22, 2013 01:56 PM (ORGYc)

367
Too difficult to explain.

Posted by: SH at January 22, 2013 01:53 PM (gmeXX)


Actually, it isn't difficult to explain at all. The problem is, no one in the GOP has the balls to explain it.

It's just like a family budget, except with more zeros.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 22, 2013 01:56 PM (yiIja)

368 358 not ready to unsock,

Damn skippy if Free Shit Army will not let me be rewarded for doing the right things or my wife for serving her nation's defense why not join their little army?

Fuck it general strike Free Shit Army was just years ahead...

they held on to fucking power with Anti baby pills and Akin shit....

so fuck them FREE SHIT FOR ALL!

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 01:56 PM (LRFds)

369 One half of one third of government, not enough to do anything but more than enough to be blamed for everything.
Posted by: WalrusRex at January 22, 2013 01:39 PM (Hx5uv)

They're not being blamed for everything, but they can be blamed for not doing their job. Their job, as the opposition, is to, well, oppose. Don't see much opposing going on, do you? Caving on every aspect of the Obama agenda in vague hopes of one day not caving is not good deal-making.

Posted by: troyriser at January 22, 2013 01:57 PM (vtiE6)

370 Is this the same Palin that quit her governorship early because she was afraid of some bad press? Or is this the Palin that created a super PAC and ran around collecting money from people like she was running for president but then did absolutely nothing?LOL @ Palin Supporters----

One and the same. Never donated to her, so I don't care. Though, I do think her PAC did some good. She was an early endorser of Ted Cruz. Pretty good move.

Posted by: SH at January 22, 2013 01:58 PM (gmeXX)

371 "ObamaCare was passed without a single Republican vote."

They got one aisle-crosser.

Joseph Cao, the Vietnamese Republican from New Orleans.

He was, I can only figure, trying to hang onto his seat in a deep blue district and he thought that voting for Obamacare would help.

It didn't, of course, and the liberal voters threw him out.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 22, 2013 01:58 PM (gqT4g)

372 360 Invictus,

I'm wondering why we make reasoned arguments fight for fiscal sanity when too many employed Americans either sat out, went with Free Shit Army for policy preferences the media sold them on or whatnot but you know what....

fuck 'em I am through fighting to protect the middle class from the donks or the working poor....or the rich.

FREE SHIT FOR ALL!

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 01:59 PM (LRFds)

373 371 "ObamaCare was passed without a single Republican vote."

They got one aisle-crosser.

Joseph Cao, the Vietnamese Republican from New Orleans.

He was, I can only figure, trying to hang onto his seat in a deep blue district and he thought that voting for Obamacare would help.

It didn't, of course, and the liberal voters threw him out.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 22, 2013 01:58 PM (gqT4g)

____________________

Damn it really?

Sorry for the bad info--didn't know that.

Posted by: tasker at January 22, 2013 01:59 PM (r2PLg)

374 371 torquewrench,

because the left is never punished for their partisanship like we are....


fuck it why fight it?

FREE SHIT FOR ALL!

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 01:59 PM (LRFds)

375 Why do we only get to fight in one place? The Democrats sure fight at every turn.

----
Yeah, and they lose in a lot of places. Ask me in 2 years, whether it was seen as wise or not to go for gun control. You can make a good argument that the best defense is to simply defend everything at all costs. I'm sympathetic to that argument. But sometime, you must make a tactical retreat and fight from better ground.

Posted by: SH at January 22, 2013 02:00 PM (gmeXX)

376 335 I don't want to get "though it." I want it shut down, or I want the pedal to the metal. Out lib the libs. See who blinks first.

I would rather force the Administration to prioritize and the Senate to pass a budget.

Posted by: 80sBaby at January 22, 2013 02:00 PM (YjDyJ)

377 "I'm wondering why we make reasoned arguments fight for fiscal sanity when too many employed Americans either sat out, went with Free Shit Army for policy preferences the media sold them on or whatnot but you know what...."

And isn't that the thing? The Rs have one last chance to save us before they lose the majority forever. And this is what we get. We've been had.

Posted by: Invictus at January 22, 2013 02:01 PM (OQpzc)

378 Yeah, and they lose in a lot of places. Ask me in 2 years, whether it was seen as wise or not to go for gun control. You can make a good argument that the best defense is to simply defend everything at all costs. I'm sympathetic to that argument. But sometime, you must make a tactical retreat and fight from better ground.

Posted by: SH at January 22, 2013 02:00 PM (gmeXX)

____________________

It's a fund raising scheme.

Posted by: tasker at January 22, 2013 02:01 PM (r2PLg)

379 They're not being blamed for everything, but they can be blamed for not doing their job. Their job, as the opposition, is to, well, oppose. Don't see much opposing going on, do you? Caving on every aspect of the Obama agenda in vague hopes of one day not caving is not good deal-making.

Posted by: troyriser at January 22, 2013 01:57 PM (vtiE6)

Does the fact that we're not even out of January 2013 give anyone pause when grading the GOP House on the 2013-2014 legislative session?

Posted by: CJ at January 22, 2013 02:01 PM (9KqcB)

380 I would rather force the Administration to prioritize and the Senate to pass a budget.
Posted by: 80sBaby at January 22, 2013 02:00 PM (YjDyJ)

How do you feel about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny?

Posted by: Invictus at January 22, 2013 02:02 PM (OQpzc)

381 376 80s baby,

You think they are going to do anything more than after killing the filibuster today simply make a make a wish list pretending raising taxes on all making say 125,000 and more and then hector us for saving billionaires?

I don't anymore 80s baby.

Kill the national government with debt and let the states start over.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 02:02 PM (LRFds)

382 I'm lulling them into a sense of overconfidence. By 2023, when I plan to put my foot down on the White House decorating budget, they'll NEVER see it coming! Vengeance shall be mine!

Posted by: John Boehner at January 22, 2013 02:03 PM (FcR7P)

383 380 Invictus,

Bingo the democrats are killing the nation on purpose to grant California and New york micromanaging oversight of the American experiment....

fuck them kill it.

Push the gas for them....start over.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 02:03 PM (LRFds)

384
Does the fact that we're not even out of January 2013 give anyone pause when grading the GOP House on the 2013-2014 legislative session?

I only pause long enough to marvel at the magnitude of the screwing we're getting.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 22, 2013 02:04 PM (yiIja)

385 Why do we only get to fight in one place? The Democrats sure fight at every turn.

It's much easier to advocate growing government than shrinking government. All kinds of new programs to propose and grow.There are endlessopportunities to fight for growth.

Posted by: CJ at January 22, 2013 02:04 PM (9KqcB)

386 But sometime, you must make a tactical retreat and fight from better ground.

Posted by: SH at January 22, 2013 02:00 PM (gmeXX)



Do you believe that the current crop of GOP members of Congress has a hill upon which they shall die? If so, what is it and what evidence supports that belief? If you (you meaning GOP in this case) are arguing that powder should be kept dry, in what battle will the powder be used?

Those are legitimate questions. btw, not trying to snark.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 22, 2013 02:04 PM (VtjlW)

387 Turn that frown upside down for a second morons...

A group of college students said they are lucky to be alive and they’re thanking the quick-thinking of one of their own. Police said a fellow student shot and killed one of two masked me who burst into an apartment.

“Apparently, his intent was to rape and murder us all,” said student Charles Bailey.


http://tinyurl.com/ar3cghu

Posted by: RWC at January 22, 2013 02:04 PM (fWAjv)

388 Yeah, and they lose in a lot of places. Ask me in 2 years, whether it was seen as wise or not to go for gun control.

The difference is the Democrats sacrifice seats to gain policy. Republicans sacrifice policy to win seats. Because of this, the only policies enacted are liberal ones.

It doesn't matter who is speaker of the house to people ten years from now. It does matter that Obamacare was passed.

Sometimes it doesn't work out for them, but look at the past fifty years. They've won every major battle and enacted their policies.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 22, 2013 02:04 PM (49lPc)

389 An obligation shall not be taken into account under paragraph (1)
unless the issuance of such obligation was necessary to fund a
commitment incurred by the Federal Government that required payment
before May 19, 2013.


All that means is that they are going to write contracts and pre-pay them.

Posted by: chemjeff at January 22, 2013 02:04 PM (bpQsl)

390 "She was an early endorser of Ted Cruz. Pretty good move."

She has endorsed some good people, I'll give her that. Although it's all superficial until these people do something. Jury is out on Ted Cruz though I'm hopeful. If he turned out bad I certainly wouldn't blame her though, I'm sure she was working from the same information I was.

I'm not moved by her leadership however, and this is my point. From what I can tell when the going gets tough she bails out. Or if something else looks better, she'll abandon existing commitments so she can pursue it. She says a lot of stuff I agree with, but so does my wife and bunch of her lady friends. To be frank I don't see Palin as being any more capable than any of them. Palin is window dressing and nothing more.

Posted by: Andrew at January 22, 2013 02:04 PM (HS3dy)

391 Does the fact that we're not even out of January
2013 give anyone pause when grading the GOP House on the 2013-2014
legislative session?

Posted by: CJ at January 22, 2013 02:01 PM (9KqcB)[/i[

I'm grading them on their performance since 2011

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 22, 2013 02:05 PM (cTbYx)

392 argument. But sometime, you must make a tactical retreat and fight from better ground.
Posted by: SH at January 22, 2013 02:00 PM (gmeXX)

Sometimes? Really? Did I miss a heroic R stand on any damn thing? Please let me know what was their last win, on anything.

Fiscon or Socon. Take your pick.

Posted by: Invictus at January 22, 2013 02:05 PM (OQpzc)

393 One more time, if you weren't convinced after yesterday's vigorous and enthusiastic splashing in the tank by the MFM, it all comes back to the marxist narrative in all media 24/7/365.Until they are brought down, and completely destroyed, as they are SO CLEARLY joyfully doing to our once free country, NOTHING CHANGES.

And yet, you'll get some posters here defending Condi Rice's sell out to CBS as "a way of getting our point of view heard." It's always "burn, burn, burn the MFM" until one of "us" gets their token spot, and then it's all "Yay, MSM!"

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 22, 2013 02:05 PM (zF6Iw)

394 379 CJ,

does the fact that any asshole who could be bothered to run through Barack "Make a wish kid" Obama's cost of "dreams of my daddy" could not have helped but see how fucked we are and how bad things can get and he still won?

Krispy Kreme is right the average American hates guns, love free shit, and wants more debt and less fredom?

Awesome time to get past America and start over.

FREE SHIT FOR ALL!

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 02:05 PM (LRFds)

395 Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 22, 2013 02:04 PM (yiIja)

Gotta pace yourself.

Posted by: CJ at January 22, 2013 02:05 PM (9KqcB)

396 393 MPPP,

eh my point was more nuanced than that....you'll notice the word "hope" hope is not "faith" no matter what free Shit Army thinks

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 02:06 PM (LRFds)

397 Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 02:05 PM (LRFds)

So, you're a NO vote on "rational perspective" I take it?

Posted by: CJ at January 22, 2013 02:06 PM (9KqcB)

398
Have more people figured out both "sides" in DC are on the same team?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 22, 2013 02:06 PM (p/cQy)

399 President Barack Obama had a few famous friends over for a late-night party after Monday’s inaugural balls.

“Just partied at the White House,” singer Kelly Clarkson tweeted at around midnight. “I kid you not, Michelle Obama stood up and got the party started ….seriously cool First Lady : )”

Also invited: actress Ashley Judd. “It was elegant, warm, fun, & then an amazingly joyful house party,” she tweeted. “We had such a magical night.”

Singer John Legend and his fiancée, model Chrissy Teigen, made the guest list, too. “2:30am at the White House. It’s a celebration!” Legend tweeted, along with a photo. Later on, Teigen wrote, “I don’t even know what to say. It’s 3:15am and I just teared up seeing our president getting down at the white house.”

Pop star Katy Perry was equally impressed.

“Just left the White House,” Perry tweeted at 2:38 a.m. “All other parties from here on out will be judged unless they take place at the White House.”


Pardon me while I PUKE

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 22, 2013 02:07 PM (9Bj8R)

400 "Sometimes it doesn't work out for them, but look at the past fifty
years. They've won every major battle and enacted their policies."

Bingo. Congress is not supposed to be a career but a temporary service. We send a Rep to Congress for a specific period of time to get a specific thing done.

Term limits anyone? I think we should start talking about term limits and nothing else. It's a bipartisan issue, I think Democrats alike would agree with the need for term limits. Let everything else burn, focus on term limits and beat this horse until we get it. Congress needs to be whitewashed.

Posted by: Andrew at January 22, 2013 02:08 PM (HS3dy)

401 She says a lot of stuff I agree with, but so does my
wife and bunch of her lady friends. To be frank I don't see Palin as
being any more capable than any of them. Palin is window dressing and
nothing more.


Posted by: Andrew at January 22, 2013 02:04 PM (HS3dy)


I doubt that I'll convince you by posting this but one thing that impresses me about Palin is that I find her immediate instincts to be unerring for the betterment of the country. IOW the opposite of the JEF.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 22, 2013 02:08 PM (cTbYx)

402 380 How do you feel about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny?

If you think the Democrats will refuse to do both then why advocate a shutdown? Why bother doing anything?

Posted by: 80sBaby at January 22, 2013 02:08 PM (YjDyJ)

403 389 chemjeff,

and then try to point to the artificial shortcocking as "we are saving money and reducing expenditures!"

They all are slinging guimmicks.

You must either raise taxes(which never works by itself), cut spending, or cut taxes and not regulate and wait for growth and not spend more....

instead they just vote and print vote and print!

FREE SHIT FOR ALL!

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 02:08 PM (LRFds)

404 Unfortunately, as we learned the hard way in this last election, politics is perception. As long as the MFM, and the public indoctrination (school) system stay inundated in leftist ideology, the dems will be able to use every dirty trick available to get what they want because the MFM and schools will lift them up as paragons of democracy.

When the repubs put their foot down on any issue, they're made out to be the symbols of Satan incarnate. This won't change until these above factors are changed.

Posted by: Soona at January 22, 2013 02:09 PM (N2KVu)

405 Posted by: Captain Hate at January 22, 2013 02:05 PM (cTbYx)

I guess that's fair. Hell, we can grade the GOP going back to the 2000s when had total control of the federal government and didn't do shit. Mainly because we didn't tell them to. We were all consumed with Iraq/WMDs and defending W at all costs.

Posted by: CJ at January 22, 2013 02:09 PM (9KqcB)

406 Rumor has it that 1 million showed up for the inauguration yesterday.
Only 14 missed work.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2013 02:10 PM (jZpAK)

407 @371 - Joseph Cao was the lone Republican vote for the Obamacare bill which came out of the HOUSE; however, that bill never made it to the floor of the Senate.

The Senate took a bill which had been passed previously by the House, removed every last word from it, and replaced it with their version of Obamacare. Due to Scott Brown's election, the House had to pass it with no amendments made to it - which is why another bill was crafted and passed through reconciliation.

The Obamacare bill and the reconciliation bill both passed with NO Republicans voting for it - probably a first in history, and something to ponder whenever anyone talks about there being "bipartisan" support for Obamacare.

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at January 22, 2013 02:11 PM (ADnWI)

408 330 She's not for real is she?No she's not. I'm certain it's a Moron, just not sure who. IIRC, that's a takeoff on another real troll we once had here whose name escapes me at the moment.

---------

As I recall, it's a takeoff from a serious of mysteriously similar letters to the editor that flooded local newspapers shortly before the 2008 election.

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at January 22, 2013 02:11 PM (NmR1a)

409 Question: What is this JEF I keep seeing mentioned? Seems Libertarian-related but wasn't the L candidate Gary Johnson?

Posted by: Andrew at January 22, 2013 02:11 PM (HS3dy)

410 Does the fact that we're not even out of January 2013 give anyone pause when grading the GOP House on the 2013-2014 legislative session?
Posted by: CJ at January 22, 2013 02:01 PM (9KqcB)

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize history began again with Obama's second inauguration. I've evidently been (mistakenly) evaluating GOP oppositional performance since they've had the majority in the House. My bad.

Day Zero! A fresh start for everyone!

Posted by: troyriser at January 22, 2013 02:12 PM (vtiE6)

411 "Is this the same Palin that quit her governorship early because she was afraid of some bad press?"

No.

The actual Palin resigned the governorship early because vexatious litigants were constantly bombarding her with bullshit "ethics complaints" without any factual foundation. However, as bullshit as those were, the ethics board was required to take up each and every one of them, and Palin was required to defend herself before the board, with legal counsel, paying _out of her own pocket_ without public funds. It was bankrupting her.

So, no, that little snide sneer about "bad press" doesn't bear any resemblance to reality.

By the way, the board eventually acquitted Palin on every single one of those charges. More than 20 of them.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 22, 2013 02:12 PM (gqT4g)

412
I wonder what Ace will post about first...

Posted by: soothsayer's thought bubble at January 22, 2013 02:12 PM (+7i2c)

413 Pardon me while I PUKE

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 22, 2013 02:07 PM (9Bj8R)


Good Lord... That's what I want ,a visual of Mooch and obumbles "getting down" with a bunch of Hollywierders. Yes ,it's always been my dream to have a "cool" president... It brings tears to my eyes also but not for the same reasons...



Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at January 22, 2013 02:12 PM (9+ccr)

414 Question: What is this JEF I keep seeing mentioned



Jug-Eared Fuck (or Fraud)

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 22, 2013 02:12 PM (cTbYx)

415 409 Question: What is this JEF I keep seeing mentioned? Seems Libertarian-related but wasn't the L candidate Gary Johnson?

Posted by: Andrew at January 22, 2013 02:11 PM (HS3dy)

Jug Eared Fu*k

Posted by: RWC at January 22, 2013 02:14 PM (fWAjv)

416 Question: What is this JEF I keep seeing mentioned?

Jug Eared Fuck, aka Chocolate Jesus.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 22, 2013 02:14 PM (jZpAK)

417 I doubt that I'll convince you by posting this but one thing that impresses me about Palin is that I find her immediate instincts to be unerring for the betterment of the country. IOW the opposite of the JEF.
Posted by: Captain Hate at January 22, 2013 02:08 PM (cTbYx)

Yeah, I like her, too. Sue me.

Posted by: troyriser at January 22, 2013 02:14 PM (vtiE6)

418 397 CJ,

The democrats have sought power for no other reason than to destroy our power and spend us into oblivion...

I was poor I worked my way out, they have not "saved anyone" but people hired into the bloated federal machine....

They are not rational, are not trying to be sane economically, and broke every tenet of what the American people are expected to demand for good government.

They are about to get so draconian and onerous that they will embody a worse tyranny than that which we beat to birth this nation.

If we can not win because of the media, and idiot voters who cannot argue why they should get what they want they simply want it...it is over we losty they won so out donk the fuckers force them to go draconian and kill the federal experiment and start over.

There is NO way that they can allow a free economy and please their donor base of granola fuckers.

There is no way they can tax us withoyt going totalitarian and balance the books.

They will leave us vilnerable to foreign attack and are not meeting ANY of the fucking duties expressed in the document as a party and a LOT of shit nowhere near the proper role of government.

We as a nation are no longer worthy of our founding and as such those of us on the state level who are have a duty to strangle this bitch in its sleep if need be.

If the only sane way to get the point across withoyt blood spilled is to act crazier than the donks we should.

Boehner should get up and say "the GOP wants to forgive all student loans but we are no longer paying for univerity work."

Fuck 'em balls to the floorboard wreck it all and force people to live within their state economy's own means.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 02:14 PM (LRFds)

419 LOL @ Palin Supporters----


It was the insane Palinistas that kept me from ever supporting her or donating to her. I was one of the original members of Team Sarah, formed to fight the MFM lies. But I very quickly left that organization. The hero-worshipping was bad enough, since it's the same thing the Left does with the JEF.

But if one dared to even insinuate, even slightly, that LaPalin might not be 100% perfect in every way, they ganged up and turned absolutely vicious.

If I wanted to worship Dear Leader, I'd be a Democrat.

Posted by: BlueStateRepub at January 22, 2013 02:14 PM (7ObY1)

420
"I'm not moved by her leadership however, and this is my point. From what I can tell when the going gets tough she bails out. Or if something else looks better, she'll abandon existing commitments so she can pursue it."

It's interesting how different people see the same things and interpret them differently. Some would view what Palin did as the logical, honest and yes, courageous thing to do. Others see her as running away.

Then again, some view children as innocents who should be protected, while others see them as smaller, weaker sexual objects. It all comes down to perspective.


Posted by: jwest at January 22, 2013 02:14 PM (ZDsRL)

421 An obligation shall not be taken into account under paragraph (1) unless the issuance of such obligation was necessary to fund a commitment incurred by the Federal Government that required payment before May 19, 2013.

Essentially this means that everything that gets passed with a required payment date from now through May 19th is covered put on the nation's credit card.

Obama must belicking his chops thinking, "I bet I can spend more in the next three months than I did in the last four years! Mooch, get AF1 warmed up; we're going shopping!"

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at January 22, 2013 02:14 PM (EGPJQ)

422 Jug-Eared Fuck? I'm even more confused now. Is this supposed to be an acronym for a specific person, like SCOAMF? Forgive me, I'm not on here every day.

Posted by: Andrew at January 22, 2013 02:15 PM (HS3dy)

423 If Attenborough were talking about Boehner, I would have to agree that his continued existence was a plague on the earth.

Posted by: TexasJew at January 22, 2013 02:15 PM (y0yTH)

424 Posted by: troyriser at January 22, 2013 02:12 PM (vtiE6)

It's just that the House works via two-year sessions, is all. New session. New election cycle. New makeup. New White House dynamic with a president two years away from lame duck status. New!

2011-12 is ancient history in Washington years.

Posted by: CJ at January 22, 2013 02:16 PM (9KqcB)

425 422
Jug-Eared Fuck? I'm even more confused now. Is this supposed to be an
acronym for a specific person, like SCOAMF? Forgive me, I'm not on here
every day.
The "ears" part should give it away... Oh and the fuck part too...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at January 22, 2013 02:16 PM (9+ccr)

426 I hope this is not going to become a Palin thread. I'm too tired.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at January 22, 2013 02:16 PM (EGPJQ)

427 Posted by: Andrew at January 22, 2013 02:15 PM (HS3dy)

It's for TFG.

Posted by: RWC at January 22, 2013 02:16 PM (fWAjv)

428 So does this mean we get Michael Steele back for more fuckheaded Affirmative Action retard goodness?

Posted by: TexasJew at January 22, 2013 02:17 PM (y0yTH)

429 I wonder what Ace will post about first...
Posted by: soothsayer's thought bubble at January 22, 2013 02:12 PM (+7i2c)


---------------------------------------------------


I hope it's cake girl.

Posted by: Soona at January 22, 2013 02:17 PM (N2KVu)

430 The actual Palin resigned the governorship early because vexatious litigants were constantly bombarding her with bullshit "ethics complaints" without any factual foundation. However, as bullshit as those were, the ethics board was required to take up each and every one of them, and Palin was required to defend herself before the board, with legal counsel, paying _out of her own pocket_ without public funds. It was bankrupting her.



Here's the dirty little secret the Palinistas do NOT want to hear:

Palin herself endorsed that legislation and rammed it through. She was brought down by her own legislation. In this dangerous world, I do not want a leader who is too dim to realize that she set her own trap and walked right into it. Do I want someone like that going toe to toe with Imadinnerjacket? Putin?

This is the Big Secret when it comes to Palin. Mention it on a pro-Palin site and you'll be viciously attacked. But deep down they know you're right.

Posted by: BlueStateRepub at January 22, 2013 02:18 PM (7ObY1)

431 >>And yet, you'll get some posters here defending
Condi Rice's sell out to CBS as "a way of getting our point of view
heard." It's always "burn, burn, burn the MFM" until one of "us" gets
their token spot, and then it's all "Yay, MSM!"Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 22, 2013 02:05 PM (zF6Iw)



I'll go further and say that all of the Bushies: Rove, Rice, Powell, Perino, Frum ALL need to go as they are central to the Establishmet GOP RINO Squish problem.

And to those (channeling Prez Shitbird) that say they ARE the electables in the GOP, I'd call that and raise you an LIB.

We go nowhere with those loser PsOS.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 22, 2013 02:18 PM (aZ6ew)

432 But if one dared to even insinuate, even slightly, that LaPalin might not be 100% perfect in every way, they ganged up and turned absolutely vicious. If I wanted to worship Dear Leader, I'd be a Democrat.
Posted by: BlueStateRepub at January 22, 2013 02:14 PM (7ObY1)

Note to self: Probably a bad idea to assume unpaid job as Chief Critic of Sarah in group calling itself 'Team Sarah'.

Posted by: troyriser at January 22, 2013 02:18 PM (vtiE6)

433 "The actual Palin resigned the governorship early because vexatious
litigants were constantly bombarding her with bullshit "ethics
complaints" without any factual foundation. However, as bullshit as
those were, the ethics board was required to take up each and every one
of them, and Palin was required to defend herself before the board, with
legal counsel, paying _out of her own pocket_ without public funds. It
was bankrupting her."

Oh, so it wasn't because of bad press but because she couldn't handle the fight, this is what you're saying? Well, that changes everything, she can't handle Alaskan politics, the least populous of all the states, so I'm sure she'd do much much better on the national scale.

Posted by: Andrew at January 22, 2013 02:18 PM (HS3dy)

434 If you think the Democrats will refuse to do both then why advocate a shutdown? Why bother doing anything?
Posted by: 80sBaby at January 22, 2013 02:08 PM (YjDyJ)


I'm advocating for Texas. Don't give a shit about the nation anymore. I learned that from the northeast and california. Get yours and get out.

Posted by: Invictus at January 22, 2013 02:18 PM (OQpzc)

435 It was the insane Palinistas that kept me from ever supporting her or donating to her. I was one of the original members of Team Sarah, formed to fight the MFM lies. But I very quickly left that organization. The hero-worshipping was bad enough, since it's the same thing the Left does with the JEF.

So you are saying that the adoration of her fans disgusted you more than the lies and other unprincipled attacks by her opponents did.

Whatever it takes to let you sleep at night, I guess.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at January 22, 2013 02:18 PM (V3kRK)

436 429 I hope it's cake girl.

----------

Cake girl is a lie.

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at January 22, 2013 02:20 PM (FzhYM)

437 428 texasJew,

God I hope so....I cannot tell you how much fun it was to pay mikey steele to bitch about the GOP when he could never bother to point out the donks that did not go to W's stuff...

fuck it out donk the donks...the poor will vote for the people that offer them more free shit....

Hey you, you there on the couch....

we understand that what is holding you back is your lack of porn star looks so free plastic surgery and boob jobs for all!

send a self-addressed stamped envelope and we'll send you some cash!

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 02:20 PM (LRFds)

438 Arguing about Sarah Palin these days is about as relevent as arguing whether a Spinosaurus could have beaten up a T Rex..

Posted by: TexasJew at January 22, 2013 02:21 PM (y0yTH)

439 Oh, great. Another school shooting.

Posted by: Soona at January 22, 2013 02:21 PM (N2KVu)

440 So, you're a NO vote on "rational perspective" I take it?
Posted by: CJ at January 22, 2013 02:06 PM (9KqcB)


He's just venting, let him go at it... we might even get a lol out of one of his rants.

Posted by: cajun carrot at January 22, 2013 02:21 PM (UZQM8)

441 435 Fronnt Toward left,

yeah thank God those principled people on the right saved our nation from President Palin's cult of personality...

when I come back I want to be a bird so i can fly over the GOP smart caucus' head too...

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 02:21 PM (LRFds)

442 "The "ears" part should give it away... Oh and the fuck part too..."

Has to be a barry reference I'm guessing. Although the GOP uses the elephant which has big ears, so perhaps fitting for boner too

Posted by: Andrew at January 22, 2013 02:22 PM (HS3dy)

443 Arguing about Sarah Palin these days is about as relevent as arguing whether a Spinosaurus could have beaten up a T Rex..
Posted by: TexasJew at January 22, 2013 02:21 PM (y0yTH)


----------------------------------------------


This is right up AtC's alley.

Posted by: Soona at January 22, 2013 02:23 PM (N2KVu)

444 Off-topic, but are any of the moron horde optimistic about our nation's future? Sometimes I think the GOP's path to power in 2016 will rely on rekindling a Reagan-esque spirit of hope, a kind of new morning in America.

Posted by: Jordan at January 22, 2013 02:23 PM (Hz1zc)

445 440 cajun carrot,

mostly...and at the risk of ego had my typing been more stable I thought the Lex warren dig was cute...

We SHOULD fire a shot across their bow if they are going to try to play this game and confuse the media.

Boehner should say, "you know I asked the President why we could not just make all medical care free and he can't answer..."


Fuck them FREE SHIT FOR ALL!

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 02:23 PM (LRFds)

446 FOR FUCK'S SAKES what in the high fuck?

I almot went to UH....

goddamnit.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 02:25 PM (LRFds)

447 Off-topic, but are any of the moron horde optimistic about our nation's future? Sometimes I think the GOP's path to power in 2016 will rely on rekindling a Reagan-esque spirit of hope, a kind of new morning in America.
Posted by: Jordan at January 22, 2013 02:23 PM (Hz1zc)

For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Carter, along with decades of failed liberal policies,gave us Reagan. So one can hope. Nothing wrong with hope.

Posted by: troyriser at January 22, 2013 02:26 PM (vtiE6)

448 444 Whoredan,

fuck you.....

you don't get to double the debt and then pretend you fucks are the ones who care....

if the game is appease your base let's appease everyone!

FREE SHIT FOR ALL!

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 02:26 PM (LRFds)

449 >>I doubt that I'll convince you by posting this but one thing that
impresses me about Palin is that I find her immediate instincts to be
unerring for the betterment of the country. IOW the opposite of the JEF.


Generic description of Conservatives.

Same thing that draws me to all real conservatives.
Coincidence?
.........Nah.....

There are some people that have "other" issues with her.
YMMV

Posted by: ontherocks at January 22, 2013 02:26 PM (aZ6ew)

450 You'd almost think there were a crisis response Establishment Republican team they launch at a blog when the sentiment goes strongly let the Rinos burn. Almost.

Posted by: Invictus at January 22, 2013 02:27 PM (OQpzc)

451
438Arguing about Sarah Palin these days is about as relevent as arguing whether a Spinosaurus could have beaten up a T Rex..

If it isn't Palin, it will be someone else.

There is a disease on the right that infects certain "republicans" to attack their own. Whether it's an inferiority complex that makes people long for acceptance from the left or an ingrained self loathing that makes them want defeat, we will always have a group people who can't function in a conservative enviroment.

Marco Rubio is probably their next target.

Posted by: jwest at January 22, 2013 02:28 PM (ZDsRL)

452 Sven,

Do you know any Democrats? Not politicians, but the real people who elect the politicians. Those folks are not out to destroy the country. Most of the elected Democrats are not ‘out to destroy the country’ either. They’re politicians. They just want to gain power and keep it. And that means getting one more vote than the other guy. If spending more does it, they’ll do it. If spending less does it, they’ll do that. These are the majority of Democrats and we’d better keep our cool if we want to win some of the over (which we must and can.)

Now, the hardcore Left is different. They are the activists and academia. They are easy to read: They HATE what America was; don’t like what it is; and see as its only redeeming trait that it can be turned into something else.

They’ve been lurking in the halls of power for years. They made a few appearances under Clinton, and have come out of the closet with Obama. They are indeed the enemy. But I wouldn’t confuse them with rank and file Democrats. I think a majority of Democrat voters would be sickened by the Far Left, if they knew they shared a party with them. But they don’t. It’s our job to spread the word.

I don't understand folks on the Right giving up on the notion of persuasion. It sounds JUST like the Left sounded after the 2010 midterms, Krugman et al, who were damn sure that democracy was broken.

Posted by: CJ at January 22, 2013 02:29 PM (9KqcB)

453 "Off-topic, but are any of the moron horde optimistic about our nation's future? Sometimes I think the GOP's path to power in 2016 will rely on rekindling a Reagan-esque spirit of hope, a kind of new morning in America."

Look at the numbers - the debt and entitlements have gone too far, we're past the point of no return already. Only a fool could be hopeful, and all of those are concentrated in the Dem party now.

The only "hope" i have left is that this country will crash and burn so badly that it ceases to exist as an coherent entity, and that THEN we might can begin to build something out of the ashes.

Let it all burn.

Posted by: Tom Servo at January 22, 2013 02:29 PM (hTDbY)

454 I cannot tell you how much fun it was to pay mikey
steele to bitch about the GOP when he could never bother to point out
the donks that did not go to W's stuff...



Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 02:20 PM (LRFds)


Choosing a Repub from the Donk stronghold of Maryland to run your national party; what could go wrong with that? I'll say this for Steele: Once he'd stepped on his johnson about a gazillion times too many he kept his fucking yap shut for the 2010 midterms and didn't screw that pooch. He fucked up everything before that but I'd still trust him more than that piece of shit Rove.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 22, 2013 02:29 PM (cTbYx)

455 future? Sometimes I think the GOP's path to power in 2016 will rely on rekindling a Reagan-esque spirit of hope, a kind of new morning in America.
Posted by: Jordan at January 22, 2013 02:23 PM (Hz1zc)

No hope at all. Let's max the cards and have one last killer party before the collapse. Sorry, we can't save you from yourselves anymore, and we aren't even gonna try.

Posted by: Invictus at January 22, 2013 02:29 PM (OQpzc)

456 Boehner is a bleary eyed drunk. the only cuts he understands are his $200 haircutrs.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at January 22, 2013 02:30 PM (wbmaj)

457 >>There is a disease on the right that infects certain "republicans" to
attack their own. Whether it's an inferiority complex that makes people
long for acceptance from the left or an ingrained self loathing that
makes them want defeat, we will always have a group people who can't
function in a conservative enviroment.



It's an ingrained fear of MFM retribution.
....also known as CYA

Posted by: ontherocks at January 22, 2013 02:31 PM (aZ6ew)

458 I almot went to UH....goddamnit.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 02:25 PM (LRFds)
The Cougars?
What happened?

Posted by: TexasJew at January 22, 2013 02:33 PM (y0yTH)

459 Off-topic, but are any of the moron horde optimistic about our nation's future? Sometimes I think the GOP's path to power in 2016 will rely on rekindling a Reagan-esque spirit of hope, a kind of new morning in America.

Am I the only one who watched Bill Whittle's post-election videos? Worth watching. (Hint: The answer does not lie in Washington.)

Posted by: CJ at January 22, 2013 02:33 PM (9KqcB)

460 Why stimulus has failed? From an academic who kicks neo-keynesians like Krugman's rear end in academic circles.
http://tinyurl.com/bflda23

Posted by: aj at January 22, 2013 02:35 PM (SO2Q8)

461 Goddamit, where's the spell check? I'm too e-lazy to do my own proofreading.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at January 22, 2013 02:36 PM (wbmaj)

462 452 CJ,

yes I do I have next door neighbors that are union donk and I don't give a fuck about their pretensions.

They are empowering a malthusian deathcult to dismantle the United States at the Granola and marxist forces behest.

End of story.

If they find my side so odious they cannot stop a man who 25 minutes of scholarship showed to be a Red Diaper baby America hating marxist I do not care anymore.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 02:36 PM (LRFds)

463 "They are empowering a malthusian deathcult to dismantle the United States at the Granola and marxist forces behest."

Sometimes I'm sure Sven is a troll. He's over the top most of the time.

Posted by: Jordan at January 22, 2013 02:38 PM (Hz1zc)

464 452 CJ,

That tickling at the back of your throat CJ that is Krugman and Chris Matthews' dick....

no offense made beyond a point for brevity....

the American people keep rewarding bad actors because of either the media, their greed, or their idiocy...

I am done arguing about it and want to remove as much as I can from their power.

They may be voting for a "magic negro" in their minds but the reality is they are empowering the malthusian left...I do not care anymore.

Burn it as quick as we can and rebuild and keep the fucking cancer out of what comes next.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 02:39 PM (LRFds)

465 462 Whoredan,

Hey Jordan the head of the EPA was illegally carrying on communications ie marching orders from the sierra club and God knows who else.

Again fuck you.

You fucking assholes are trying to kill Red States ability to use their resources to protect their people because of your policy preferences.

Were your own states paradise and inarguably better you'd still be wrong but given the raging clusterfuck you've made them you're doubly so.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 02:41 PM (LRFds)

466 Ah, Sven. So excitable. So predictable.

/hug

Posted by: Jordan at January 22, 2013 02:42 PM (Hz1zc)

467 458 Texas Jew,

another shooting evidently...

assholes of course you can't rely on the media to accurately report things they are hyping the guns.

Two people opened fire and multiple folks down.

Wonder if it was a gunfight gone wrong or was an organized shooting spree?

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 02:42 PM (LRFds)

468 466 jordan,

not your type on several points cowboy.

You broke it let us help break it more.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 02:43 PM (LRFds)

469 no offense made beyond a point for brevity....

It took you longer to set up the gag and then explain it than it would to just try to make a coherent point without any homoeroticism.

You sound like Paul Krugman circa January 2011. Enjoy.

Posted by: CJ at January 22, 2013 02:52 PM (9KqcB)

470 If they find my side so odious they cannot stop a man who 25 minutes of scholarship showed to be a Red Diaper baby America hating marxist I do not care anymore.

The term Red Diaper Baby means nothing to nonconservatives. Maybe we can start there.

Try this. Say: "John F. Kennedy was assasinated by a left-wing extremist." If the person you're talking to says, "Wha?" you'll know you're not even close to holding them responsible for electing Red Diaper Babies.

Posted by: CJ at January 22, 2013 02:56 PM (9KqcB)

471 469 CJ,

Yup...

I argued for patience for the GOP House starting during the campaign cycle when we won...how'd that work out for us bud?

No no seriously?

The bad actors get rewarded because for better or worse every four years fucking retards can be bothered to be whipped by the media to vote.

I do sincerely wish they'd sit it the fuck out if they are too stupid to reason and research shit rather than simply listen to the media but there it is.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 03:04 PM (LRFds)

472 470 CJ,

Red Diaper baby is pretty obvious when you can find out that Barry sr was an admitted communist in the US army, which nicely kills the idea there was some evil bllodbath of anti-red murder going on here in the 50s and 60s and that mom ran around with the NBPP and other commies....

if they do not understand the concept of red diaper baby they forgot to pay attention in a wary way to the idiot media who tried to convince them Oswald was a GOP member...

Yeah you're right we can keep trying to make the point around a press so biased they protected Choom from high U6 unemployment let alone UE3 being EXACTLY where it was when he took office....

Benghazi...look we've gone over it seriously enough here often enough the democrats and left have finally made their point they have been on about for what 60 years now?

Yes the US federal government is evil and wrong and I want it humbled.


They can keep the EuroSocialism or communism they want to replace it with and I'll find a state to be free in.

Wreck the car and break it up

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 03:08 PM (LRFds)

473 sven,

I'm saying that the first thing we need to do is inform people that thereis such a thing as "Left Wing Extremists" before we can expect them apply such knowledge to elections.

Even conservatives are happy to spread the JFK conspiracy crap. It's the fault of conservatives that America could elect a man who associated with extremists and black racistists, because it wasn't until the 2008 election that we argued that there was such a thing as black racists and left-wing extremists. And look at us now - back to obsessing over Washington, bitching about bills and parlimentary procedure, and still not laying the groundwork for success.

Posted by: CJ at January 22, 2013 03:17 PM (9KqcB)

474 473 CJ,

You act as though we get to set the music let alone what dance we do.

I am realigning my ideas on what "success' is.

The hard left took America hating communists to her bosom and the soft left empowered them.

I finally agree since giggles will illegally arbogate as much liberty as he can and nothing will be done to stop him.

If the left gets to vote for free shit for themselves and to punish prosperous people based on no drive more than envy than the right should join with them in rent seeking and debauchery.

Fair is fair, I spent 40 years caring about the whole more than just my part.

This Obamaism shit is liberating "I'll try to get mine" is how all should operate in politics as well as their work life I guess!

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 03:21 PM (LRFds)

475
Is it wrong for me to have a SchadenBoehner?

And what if it lasts more than four hours?

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at January 22, 2013 03:58 PM (1hM1d)

476 <em>132
There's a GOP County Executive meeting tonight.

We've a special resolution to vote on regarding this exact matter.

I'm
tempted to pose the question: "Is the national GOP worthy of our
continued support? Or should we move to dis-associate the local and
state party from the national party?"


Posted by: RoyalOil at January 22, 2013 01:03 PM (imtbm)</em>
Do it! PLEASE, and report back. I left the Republicans January 1, after they surrendered then. So I am not particularly welcome at our County meeting tonight here in Colorado.

Posted by: Subotai Bahadur at January 22, 2013 04:40 PM (04z58)

477
The far right, beacuse it refuses to work with their Republican colleagues on a compromise, will once again have impelled final legislation that is further to the left than would otherwise be the case.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 22, 2013 05:12 PM (kdS6q)

478 477 LDC,

I am quickly getting past caring.

Run red divorce the Blue

Posted by: sven10077 at January 22, 2013 05:56 PM (LRFds)

479 Boehner and McConnell are perfectly aware that the Congressional Dem Caucus staff maintains a daily-updated draft budget that gets periodically reviewed by the CBO. The ploy to 'force' the Senate Ds to 'pass a budget or you don't get paid' is just stoopid: not a single member of the Senate would suffer economic deprivation from their salary being withheld; you have to go to the House to expect withholding salary and benefits to have any real meaning; but in any event, as several Dem senators have already told reporters on the Hill, if it weren't for filibustering, the Senate could get a budget through in an hour.

Watch Reid and the Senate Dems work this around to their advantage. McConnell is one lame tortoise.

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at January 22, 2013 07:28 PM (21TJo)

480 You did not actually expect this eunuch to grow a pair did you?

This whining coward has been a failure for most of his career, the only reason he managed to get into a power position is because of seniority and his RINO backers.
The current Republicans in our government have quit being conservative and just turned in to “Liberal lite”. Most of those that do remember conservative concepts are too junior or won’t speak up and until we can get rid of the old fossils like Boehner and McConnell and the RINO caucus we will continue to see failure on loss of the conservative agenda.
We need a new broom and some leadership to take out this trash

Posted by: John21 at January 23, 2013 08:01 AM (46VAS)






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