Guns & Hunting Thread (1-20-13)

I Hear It Was Gun Appreciation Day

... or something.

Gun Appreciation Day, a grassroots movement started in response to President Obama and Washington Democrats' recent rhetoric on gun control, drew big crowds to state capitols nationwide that consisted of strong supporters of the Second Amendment. The show of strength by gun supporters couldn't go unnoticed.

Thousands showed up in New York, where Governor Andrew Cuomo recently signed a new strict gun control measure designed to make "assault weapons" illegal and limit magazine sizes. In areas of the country where open-carry is allowed, supporters proudly - and responsibly - exercised their Second Amendment rights.

Gun appreciation day is called that "days that end in 'y'" in my house.


Eyes On The Prize

Speaking of New York, John E. spotted this over at Weasel Zippers:

Here it is. This is the video where I [ed. -- Republican NY State Assemblyman Steve McLaughlin] was asked to keep the Democrat proposals for the NY SAFE Act away from the public. This list was given to me by a colleague and it is not confidential.

This bill was an attack on the 2nd amendment and the Democrats clearly wanted to dismantle the work of the Founding Fathers. None of these amendments were included in the final bill thanks to us fighting back. I will not stand silent while these unpatriotic proposals are pathetically thrown at us a 11 o’clock at night:

1. Confiscation of “assault weapons”
2. Confiscation of ten round clips
3. Statewide database for ALL Guns
4. Continue to allow pistol permit holder’s information to be replaced to the public
5. Label semiautomatic shotguns with more than 5 rounds or pistol grips as “assault weapons”

...

Keep in mind how paranoid we "gun nuts" are about the Democrats' true goal being complete confiscation as you click over and read the whole list.


Buying Guide -- Updated

Lots of the discussions in these threads involve recommendations for the best rifle, shotgun, etc. And the gun-totin' types around here are always willing to oblige.

Yet the recommendations are made in a vacuum. We were having an email discussion this week among the cobs, and a couple of facts caught my eye. John E. ordered some magazines from a large U.S. gun manufacturer and only received half his order, and Russ reported that he saw earliest-delivery dates of October 2013 for a case of .22 ammo when shopping on the Internet.

Given that the gun manufacturers were already running flat-out before the election, I'm updating my official gun recommendation to "YES" in response to whether someone should buy a particular gun. If you can get your hands on it, buy it.

Let us know what you're seeing in your part of the country on availability of guns & ammo.


Gun Of The Week

Hard, but easy:


Marksmanship Award



The Tip Line Runneth Over

'Flounder' damned near melted the thread tip line this week with the excellent collection of links that I'll work into the thread. This one triggered a memory of my gun-rich upbringing: Elmer Keith: 1899-1984

In 1911, Elmer was burned terribly in a hotel fire in Missoula, Montana, and carried scars for the rest of his life. An ordinary man would have died from the fire. His entire body was covered with burns and his chin was "welded" to his right shoulder with his left hand turned upside down on the back of his left wrist.

Elmer recounted this: "When we moved from Missoula back to Helena I was considerable of a wreck. My left hand was just turned upside down and back on my wrist, just a claw extended from the top of my wrist. I used to wrap a towel around it when Father sent me to school so the girls wouldn’t cringe at the sight of it. The right side of my face was all drawn down towards my shoulder, also. I was a horrible looking sight.

I told Father I had to have a left hand so I could hold a rifle and do normal things. Father contacted every doctor in Helena to try to get them to operate on the hand and break it over and straighten it out. None of them would tackle the job. They all said I would never live to be 21 anyway and they were not going to torture me any further.

Finally, I had had enough of going with only one hand, so I asked Dad if he would break it. Mother said, "Can you stand it?" I said, "I don’t know, but you can go ahead and do it anyway."

So mother got a bunch of cotton bats and gauze, soaked them in melted deer tallow, and had a lot of bandages ready. Father went down to Goodkind’s wholesale liquor store and bought a gallon of Old Granddad, 100 proof, and came home with it.

He said, "Son, do you still want to go through with it?" I said, "I do." I said "Regardless of how much I howl or pass our or whatever, get the job done. I want this hand straight whether I’ll ever be able to use it or not."

That's a man right there. His great book, Sixguns, is required reading.


Gun Of The Week - Answer

That's the Smith & Wesson Model 29 .44 Magnum, made famous by Clint Eastwood and owing its existence to Elmer Keith. I'll also take "generic S&W N-frame revolver" for the correct answer, as they make several different models in .357 Mag., .41 Mag., etc. Go ahead and buy one, punk. Make my day.


Tips

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Comments

1 WooHoo!

Posted by: FURPC at January 20, 2013 09:45 AM (0ImZM)

2 I thought it was a K-frame model 19. Oh well.

Posted by: Vic at January 20, 2013 09:45 AM (53z96)

3 Went to a small gun store yestiddy and saw they still had up an AK, a Saiga, some M4gery-like carbines, etc. I think the pricing has hit past the sweet spot now.

Posted by: Bigby's Grasp of the Obvious at January 20, 2013 09:47 AM (RLTt1)

4 Joined the NRA like 2 months ago, right before Newtown. Got a renewal notice yesterday along with my decal.

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 20, 2013 09:47 AM (MPjT8)

5 October 2013? Good gosh. Maybe I should have bought that weird off-brand 1,000rd box of 9mm at the crazy jam packed gun show last weekend.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 20, 2013 09:47 AM (QLuGB)

6 So of course you guys start a gun thread while I am posting below.

Reposted....

Someone tell me again why there is a fear of putting guns in the hands of your average law abiding citizen.
Was it because they were not trained professionals, skilled in the art of not resorting to a weapon in a bar, when drunk?

Yeh....Baltimore City PD has some PR issues to deal with.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/b4lgcjx

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at January 20, 2013 09:48 AM (jlngc)

7
January and February are the underworld months for outdoorsman. Hunting season is mostly over and it's too cold to fish.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 20, 2013 09:49 AM (sHqf1)

8 NYPD needs more range time so they don't hit as many bystanders next time.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 20, 2013 09:49 AM (QLuGB)

9 Just wanted to throw a suggestion for personal carry gun , not to be confused with a service pistol, for all you gun crazy citizens of the old USA who like to pack your own health insurance.. Beretta 32 Tomcat with a Mr Mikes Holster Model 0 and T/P ammo....

Posted by: Clemenza at January 20, 2013 09:50 AM (x59Gv)

10 >>>January and February are the underworld months for outdoorsman


Yay shootin' werewolves with Kate Beckinsale

Posted by: Bigby's Grasp of the Obvious at January 20, 2013 09:51 AM (RLTt1)

11 You want to know how to spell G-U-N? It's spelled "win".

Posted by: C-A-T at January 20, 2013 09:52 AM (eHIJJ)

12 I finished my "tacticool"-shotgun-as-political-protest. Pictures and a write-up are here if anyone's interested. You might get a chuckle: http://tinyurl.com/amdm3uf

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 20, 2013 09:54 AM (celt+)

13 http://gunssavelives.net/category/self-defense/

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 20, 2013 09:54 AM (GVxQo)

14 Heads up, you're gonna see this cited as a reason to ban gun shows/restrict ownership.

Accidental weapon discharge sends Indy gun show patron to hospital


http://is.gd/j7nnti




The tweep who brought this to my attention with a snide "why should this guy get to own a gun?" is a restaurant owner; using his logic, if anyone has ever cut or burned themselves in his kitchens, he should be clearly banned from owning a restaurant.
But I just wanted to throw that out there.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at January 20, 2013 09:54 AM (hO8IJ)

15 I went to gander mountain and Bass Pro shops yesterday looking for a plain old ruger 10/22. No luck at gander mountain, they seemed to be out of 22 ammo and I was only able to find some expensive 9mm ammo for my carbine. Bass Pro shops was such a madhouse, we gave up and just left. It seems to still be a lot of panic purchases.

Posted by: gigg at January 20, 2013 09:55 AM (dDD3H)

16 Something really smells here. Three gun shows in three states on same weekend. And all of them have weapon discharges that injure people?

http://tinyurl.com/a5rbrcn

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 20, 2013 09:55 AM (QLuGB)

17 There was a link at Instapundit this morning about 2nd amendment issues to Politico (ugh), quoting someone named "Bill Clinton", and the comments were, shall we say, priceless. The thrust of the article was the political price that some might pay (like getting un-elected) by supporting gun control measures.

There is such a tangible loathing and hate between factions in this country that I don't see how it ever gets patched up. And I think that this is what our President and his Party are counting on, to continue to manipulate and control us.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes...... at January 20, 2013 09:56 AM (Md8Uo)

18 For me this weekly thread is like a homeless person window shopping.

It helps me dream of good things...

Thanks

Posted by: Truman North at January 20, 2013 09:56 AM (ah6uz)

19 Calm down, there is plenty more where those come from as soon as the pedestrians clear the streets..

Posted by: Clemenza at January 20, 2013 09:56 AM (x59Gv)

20 Anna Puma @ 16

First rule of gun safety ignored. Keep your booger picker off the bang switch. Bringing a loaded gun to a show - what idiots. Unload your piece at home, and check that the action is empty on your semi-auto.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes...... at January 20, 2013 10:00 AM (Md8Uo)

21 Should be getting a flat top 1911 slide soonish. Wanted round top w/GI sights but the guy was plumb out. Still not a bad deal.

I'm building a full sized 1911 on a Sarco frame. Trying to figure out if I want to doll it up in any particular way. Its just flat black parkerized parts right now, brown plastic grips.

Posted by: Bigby's Grasp of the Obvious at January 20, 2013 10:00 AM (RLTt1)

22 http://bit.ly/10JLPSM

We can't be too far from printing cases.

Posted by: sTevo at January 20, 2013 10:01 AM (VMcEw)

23 my goodness what a man Elmer Keith was...whew. I don't know if that sort of man is permitted anymore.
Nowadays we would make him a victim, give him disability, jail his father for abusing him, give him a pill for his hand through Obamacare, and take away all his guns, the very thing he became expert on and that probabaly saved him by giving him a vocation. That sort of man is not allowed and is rarely seen these days.

Posted by: thunderb at January 20, 2013 10:01 AM (Dnbau)

24 2 I thought it was a K-frame model 19. Oh well.
Posted by: Vic at January 20, 2013 09:45 AM (53z96)

Me too......had a model 19 in 4"......lost it when my house burned....really.....replaced it w/a 686.

Posted by: BignJames at January 20, 2013 10:02 AM (Sg0G/)

25 I'm thinking of starting amagazine called Gun and Bridal, just to confuse liberals.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at January 20, 2013 10:03 AM (o1kXv)

26 Reader C.J. Burch: "There is such a tangible loathing and hate between factions in this country that I don't see how it ever gets patched up..."

It's me again. Barack is such a fine disciple.

Posted by: Cloward-Piven at January 20, 2013 10:04 AM (eHIJJ)

27 Well Clemenza if you're that committed to making a fashion statement, the current Beretta catalog has an Italian padded-leather ankle holster custom fitted for yon Tomcat, and it.is.fabulous...

Posted by: comatus at January 20, 2013 10:04 AM (qaVK+)

28 Will the " gun bubble" burst in a few months. I mean price-wise. I want to get one of those .22/.10 rifle/shotguns. Need something for varmints and peace of mind.

Posted by: lincolntf at January 20, 2013 10:04 AM (ZshNr)

29 C.J. Burch I just well question the timing of so many accidental shootings that are non-life threatening.

12ga loaded with bird shot in case. Opens case and manages to pull trigger. Is this guy Elmer Fudd?

Second one. Guy somehow shoots business partner with a loaded pistol inside the show. Wow.

Third one I can buy as being stupid. Let me walk outside and immediately start loading .45ACP rounds. Then shoot myself.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 20, 2013 10:06 AM (MoP0k)

30 David Barton's lesson on the history of the NRA and 2nd amendment

from gbtv via the right plant . com

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 20, 2013 10:06 AM (GVxQo)

31 I had a Model 19 that I literally shot the barrel out in. Traded it in for a model 27 N-frame which I then traded away for other stuff because it would not fit under the seat of my car.


I had a model 66-1 K-frame until I dropped in a lake while fishing.

Posted by: Vic at January 20, 2013 10:06 AM (53z96)

32 >>>I'm thinking of starting amagazine called Gun and Bridal, just to confuse liberals.

Won't work unless its all gay alla time

Posted by: Bigby's Grasp of the Obvious at January 20, 2013 10:07 AM (RLTt1)

33 "I'm thinking of starting amagazine called Gun and Bridal, just to confuse liberals."
----------------

You just reminded me of Hussey's General Store in Windsor, Maine. The sign out front reads "GUNS - WEDDING GOWNS - COLD BEER".

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 20, 2013 10:07 AM (celt+)

34 Vic fishes with a model 66. How cool is that?

Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 20, 2013 10:07 AM (sHqf1)

35 @ 27 the ankle holster? the Mr Mikes has a clip that fits in the belt or bag and also with a bandanna wrapped around the clip on the holster softens the outline and can be comfortable placed in your pocket.. jut saying..

Posted by: Clemenza at January 20, 2013 10:08 AM (x59Gv)

36 Colorado Alex, gun show last weekend here in Jackson. It was sharing convention center space with a bridal show. I resisted the urge to go look inside the bridal show to inquire if any of the gowns came with integral concealed holsters. OSP will attest to how I resisted that idea.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 20, 2013 10:08 AM (MoP0k)

37 "GUNS - WEDDING GOWNS - COLD BEER".

Get some tobacco in there and you have one stop ATF shopping.

Posted by: sTevo at January 20, 2013 10:08 AM (VMcEw)

38 How about "Shotgun Weddings and Cakes"

Posted by: Bigby's Grasp of the Obvious at January 20, 2013 10:09 AM (RLTt1)

39 There was a place in Lexington KY that had a big sign outside that read "Beer, Wine, Ammo". Bit of a shock to a kid who had just got off the plane from MA.

Posted by: lincolntf at January 20, 2013 10:09 AM (ZshNr)

40 You just reminded me of Hussey's General Store in Windsor, Maine. The sign out front reads "GUNS - WEDDING GOWNS - COLD BEER".

Glenwood Springs used to have a store that had a pharmacy and a firearms section. Everyone referred to it as "Guns and Drugs".

Posted by: Colorado Alex at January 20, 2013 10:09 AM (o1kXv)

41 Man, its friggin' cold outside and it ain't late enough for bourbon yet

Posted by: Bigby's Grasp of the Obvious at January 20, 2013 10:10 AM (RLTt1)

42 I was about to say that the above revolver looks just like my dad's .44 Magnum, but I guess that isn't necessary.

Posted by: gastorgrab at January 20, 2013 10:10 AM (FX38i)

43 28 Will the " gun bubble" burst in a few months. I mean price-wise. I want to get one of those .22/.10 rifle/shotguns. Need something for varmints and peace of mind.
-------
You might still find nice deals at the local pawn shop. I may hit one up today, I am more concerned with finding ammunition at the moment. I was gonna call cheaper than dirt next week and order some 22 (they claim to still have some stuff in stock online).



Posted by: gigg at January 20, 2013 10:10 AM (dDD3H)

44 I remember small town harware stores....and they sold GUNS.

Posted by: BignJames at January 20, 2013 10:10 AM (Sg0G/)

45 BTW folks SW quit making the Model 19 in 1999 and the Model 66 in 2005. So if you have one don't lose it in the lake like I did.

Posted by: Vic at January 20, 2013 10:11 AM (53z96)

46 20 C.J. Burch
First rule of gun safety ignored. Keep your booger picker off the bang switch. Bringing a loaded gun to a show - what idiots. Unload your piece at home, and check that the action is empty on your semi-auto.


I saw that article earlier. I wonder if they might be newbies.

Posted by: rickl at January 20, 2013 10:11 AM (sdi6R)

47 Hardware too.

Posted by: BignJames at January 20, 2013 10:12 AM (Sg0G/)

48 Colorado Alex, gun show last weekend here in Jackson. It was sharing convention center space with a bridal show. I resisted the urge to go look inside the bridal show to inquire if any of the gowns came with integral concealed holsters. OSP will attest to how I resisted that idea.

Why would you resist such a sensible idea?

And I initially though that we needed more Gun and Bridal shows, since it combines two popular events as well as provides convenience for Middle Americans. Find a wedding dress, get a few ideas for the reception, register for the gifts. All in one easy venue.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at January 20, 2013 10:13 AM (o1kXv)

49 There were some great pictures on twitter of folks at the statehouses around the country yesterday.

Indy Gun show is going on this weekend.. place is packed.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at January 20, 2013 10:14 AM (DGIjM)

50 Also found at weasel zippers, every govt agency basically is gonna check you for guns...



President Obama is tripling the number of Cabinet agencies with gun control law enforcement responsibilities in his new bid to track guns, adding six agencies to the three typically included–Justice, Homeland Security and Defense.
Section 1.e of his executive order released Wednesday adds State, Treasury, Interior, Agriculture, Energy, and Veterans Affairs. It reads: “For purposes of this memorandum, ‘Federal law enforcement agencies’ means the Departments of State, the Treasury, Defense, Justice, the Interior, Agriculture, Energy, Veterans Affairs, and Homeland Security, and such other agencies and offices that regularly recover firearms in the course of their criminal investigations as the President may designate.”



Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 20, 2013 10:14 AM (p/cQy)

51 I remember small town harware stores....and they sold GUNS.

Posted by: BignJames at January 20, 2013 10:10 AM


There was a store in jersey a few miles from where I grew up. It was an auto parts store that also sold guns and military collectables, and it was 100 yards from the police station. That was a fun place, go get some parts for the car and oogle at the guns.

Posted by: Berserker at January 20, 2013 10:15 AM (FMbng)

52 The one I saw at Walmart last year was about 300 bucks, I tried to find it on their website, failed. I thought the price was great, but never even checked ammo prices.

Posted by: lincolntf at January 20, 2013 10:15 AM (ZshNr)

53 BTW you would not have known about the pro-2dn A protests if you had no stake in the matter. Haven't seen any coverage in the media, natch

Posted by: Bigby's Grasp of the Obvious at January 20, 2013 10:17 AM (RLTt1)

54 Driving to SC today. My mom is having some surgery tomorrow. She was prepared for a hospital stay and the nurse tells her Friday that it is outpatient, which seems unlikely because it is pretty involved. Anyway, her comment was "if this is because of that damned Obamacare shit I will be pissed."

Bless her heart.

Posted by: Golan Globus at January 20, 2013 10:17 AM (/1U3u)

55 I knew a man who survived WWII , North Africa and up the Boot. He was in some deep doo doo and prayed to God as some people do in a very tense situation that he would never fire a gun again as long as he lived if he got out of the doo. Then the Riots hit detroit in 67 and he was at the hardware store buying a Carbine..

Posted by: Clemenza at January 20, 2013 10:18 AM (x59Gv)

56
VALPARAISO | Fetla's Trading Post will close its Valparaiso store and relocate inventory to a Fetla's store in Knox, company President Ken Banks said.
Merchandise on the store's cavernous sales floor has been discounted 30 percent pending the move to Fetla's Trading Post II in Knox, Banks said.
Fetla's opened in 1915 on Ind. 2 in Valparaiso as a one-stop shopping trip for hardware, sporting goods, a haircut, a new dress or a quick lunch, according to a company Web site.
In its heyday, the 30,000-square-foot outlet stocked everything from dishes and dinette sets to ice skates, fishing rods and paddle boats.
The store's gun sales landed it and other local gun shops on a list of defendants sued by the city of Gary in 1999 as alleged sources of handguns used in crimes in that city.
The retailer filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in 2004 but remained open for business until emerging a year later under a reorganization plan.
The Knox store has been open for some time, Banks said.
Banks did not provide a closing date for the Valparaiso store.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 20, 2013 10:18 AM (sHqf1)

57 I saw a reference to the gun appreciation rally in Boston. Filled with ominous terms like "pro-gun groups bearing arms and massing near public buildings" .

Posted by: lincolntf at January 20, 2013 10:19 AM (ZshNr)

58 *blinks at eBay* Got a buyer who has not paid me for some manga. So looking at their profile and realize eBay now tells other eBay members what your most popular searches are. For this dead beat buyer - 48 DD, anime dvds, and ps3 games.

*bangs head into keyboard* 48 DD?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 20, 2013 10:19 AM (MoP0k)

59 >>>Also found at weasel zippers, every govt agency basically is gonna check you for guns...


I sold mine to a gangbanger kid for top dollar.

Posted by: Bigby's Grasp of the Obvious at January 20, 2013 10:20 AM (RLTt1)

60 I used to have CCW here in VA but it got unnerving when stopped for a traffic violation the cop has his hand on his sidearm and asks FIRST sir do you have your weapon on you?

Do. Not. Want.

Posted by: Golan Globus at January 20, 2013 10:20 AM (/1U3u)

61 Will the " gun bubble" burst in a few months. I mean price-wise.

Man, I hope so. I'm good to go for ammo in popular calibers, since I've been considering it as post-Obamaclypse trade goods, and until recently, cheaper than silver or gold. I was planning to buy something to shoot in each caliber but most are ridiculously priced right now.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 20, 2013 10:20 AM (QupBk)

62 I'm just glad I did my panic buying in 2008-2009.

Posted by: rickl at January 20, 2013 10:22 AM (sdi6R)

63 We specialize in shotgun weddings!

Weekday Special: Father's-in-Law get 10% off ammo

Posted by: Guns-N-Gowns at January 20, 2013 10:23 AM (eHIJJ)

64 58 Ms puma,

I'd take that as an indicator that the lead is lacking real world comarative anatomy lab work.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 20, 2013 10:24 AM (LRFds)

65 Golan, register your cars in your wife's name (assuming she doesn't have a permit)

Posted by: Jean at January 20, 2013 10:24 AM (XwRIg)

66 @ 60 you would have thought he got a Felony tone in his radio?

Posted by: Clemenza at January 20, 2013 10:25 AM (x59Gv)

67 Toby, I'm now jones ing for 38super. But, I'm going to wait.

Posted by: Jean at January 20, 2013 10:26 AM (XwRIg)

68 Guy Mohawk@50,

What about us? We need guns, too. For the children.

Posted by: Department of Education at January 20, 2013 10:26 AM (eHIJJ)

69 (Bear with me, I want to see if I can make a hyperlink)

http://tinyurl.com/amdm3uf

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 20, 2013 10:28 AM (celt+)

70 The answer is no...

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 20, 2013 10:28 AM (celt+)

71 I never hear law enforcement guys reassuring us on these threads anymore. Just a observation.

Posted by: Bigby's Grasp of the Obvious at January 20, 2013 10:28 AM (RLTt1)

72 Here is a crowd picture from Buffalo NY.
http://tinyurl.com/a89s7qr

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at January 20, 2013 10:28 AM (DGIjM)

73 *blinks at eBay* Got a buyer who has not paid me for some manga. So looking at their profile and realize eBay now tells other eBay members what your most popular searches are. For this dead beat buyer - 48 DD, anime dvds, and ps3 games. *bangs head into keyboard* 48 DD?

Hey be nice. You know that he's never seen an actual woman before.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at January 20, 2013 10:29 AM (o1kXv)

74 Sven, Colorado Alex - get the feeling the buyer wants to cross-play. Either inside the house or at con.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 20, 2013 10:31 AM (MoP0k)

75 Gun rally picture from Sacramento

http://tinyurl.com/acml5cy

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at January 20, 2013 10:31 AM (DGIjM)

76 60 Golan Globus: I know what you mean but a lot of states while going to shall issue elevated concealed carry with no permit to a serious felony.I hit a dwi checkpoint awhile ago and the first thing I did was stick both hands out the window with my CHCL and DL and said with a smile "Trooper, it's my patriotic duty and at least good manners to tell you I have a CHCL and a firearm." The Arkansas Trooper thanked me for doing that, and waved me through. Unfortunately, even being legal would cause great grief in bastions of liberalism like Maryland or New York.

Posted by: Bill at January 20, 2013 10:31 AM (xFYVW)

77 One of, if not the best, gun threads on the internets over the weekend.

My nic below has THE best girl/gun links extant. SFW, but definitely not safe for your bunk. Be sure to watch her others (its utube). Also here: http://tinyurl.com/bewx5j2

Here in Tampa FL area, Bill Jackson's over in Pinellas is pretty well loaded. Plenty of shotguns (of the tactical and not-so variety) are readily in stock as of Monday this week. Ammo is in good shape, except for .223/5.56- that stuff is just plain gone EVERYWHERE. 9mm is getting 'thinner' he says, but they have it. You can buy PMAGS, one per day per customer until they run out. The only mags they don't have are 10/22 25-rd; those went months ago.

If anyone wants to hit the range at Wyoming Antelope Club, just say the word...

Posted by: Mr Wolf, Esq at January 20, 2013 10:33 AM (UIAT6)

78 Hi everyone! The gun thread seems like as good a place as any to post this comment:

The American Academy of Pediatrics' (rather predictable) letter to the President and Congress following Sandy Hook pleading for assault weapons and high-capacity magazine ban:
http://tinyurl.com/bymb4t5

My (rather lengthy) response:

http://tinyurl.com/ajexfk5


(Copies of my response are being sent to the AAP and to my elected representatives, and yes, I am using my real name. Damn the torpedosrepercussions, full speed ahead!)

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 20, 2013 10:34 AM (1OZSU)

79
well it could also be the dept of ed as it says anybody JEF may designate.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 20, 2013 10:35 AM (p/cQy)

80 Dumb question, does one have to change barrels (and/or anything else) when switching from .22 to shotgun on one of those combo guns? I love the idea of the combo, but had never even heard of them until a couple years ago. Know nothing about them.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 20, 2013 10:37 AM (ZshNr)

81
I just checked the sites of the local fishwrap birdcage liner puppy training device newspaper: not one article about GAD in either this one or the Tallahasse Democrat (not that I'd expect any coverage with a name like that). Just one little blurb on a Tallahassee TV station.

It's almost like they didn't want to cover it at all.

And Good Morning to you admirers of fine furniture. Looks like we're still screwed. SNAFU.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 20, 2013 10:38 AM (yiIja)

82 BTW folks SW quit making the Model 19 in 1999 and the Model 66 in 2005. So if you have one don't lose it in the lake like I did.

The 19 and 66 are works of art.

The 3" Model 65 is fairly commonly found for reasonable prices as police/security guard turn-ins. It's the 66's workhorse little brother.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at January 20, 2013 10:40 AM (V3kRK)

83 I went by the local (super) pawn shop in MS yesterday to get a look at their stock of guns and whatnot -- at 1 pm, the place was packed at the gun counters. And when I say gun counters, I'm talking about over 100 feet of counter. There were say 6 or so busy employees trying to keep up.

They had a few tricked out 10/22s, but no other EBRs as far as I could see. Their pricing was predatory. An older, worn looking 1911 had a tag of $1295 on it. The cheapest semi-auto I saw (brand unknown) was $395 in 9mm. There were plenty of regular rifles and shotguns but they were priced sky high too.

The ammo shelves were fairly vacant but I did see a few 50 round boxes of unknown maker 7.62 x 51 -- I'm pretty sure they were asking for a fresh human kidney per box.

I've visited this place before and I thought their prices were high THEN; now, forget about it. But I saw them making sales, so it wasn't too steep for some people.

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 20, 2013 10:42 AM (cHZB7)

84 81 Not too surprised about Tallahassee Backwards Boy, Just north of you here in Ga. the local (Albany Herald) did mention it. Also a cover story about the upcoming celebrity quail hunt. SO not all is lost.

Posted by: weirdflunky at January 20, 2013 10:43 AM (tlhtD)

85 Medina County Ohio report here...gun show yesterday at the county fairgrounds was off the hook ....in my 20 + years of going there I have never seen crowds this large. I want a 2 hour wait to pay 6 dollars to get in...we opted to walk around the parking lot see what people are selling and then headed to a local gun store to pick up some ammo. going rates here 9 millimeter, 25 cents/ 40 caliber 33 cents. Guys asking 800 dollars for an SKS or variant of and 2000 dollars for an AR 15 or variant...f'in crazy.

Posted by: billygoat at January 20, 2013 10:43 AM (r9JUC)

86 Could a 3D printer be argued as a Press under the First Amendment?

Posted by: Bigby's Grasp of the Obvious at January 20, 2013 10:46 AM (RLTt1)

87 Dumb question, does one have to change barrels (and/or anything else) when switching from .22 to shotgun on one of those combo guns?

Do you mean like the Savage 24? Those are over/under.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at January 20, 2013 10:47 AM (V3kRK)

88
Scattershot (heh) items afore I rush out to shoot one of my Mosin-Nagants at a local action shootin' match:

* El Cajon (San Diego suburb) has a gun store (Hiram's) that used to be just one side of the liquor store, which is still attached but now separated by a wall.

* Vic - they made Model 66s until 2005? Thought that model went out of production much earlier (mine's a nice 1993).

* On that "Guns and Bridal" thing - someone help me out here, there actually is a southern-living oriented style mag with a title like "Guns and Gardens" or something. Nice walnut and blued steel and lots of fancy shotguns, I'm thinking, more than tacticool or plastic.

Well, off to the hills. I'm usually the only bolt-action guy at this match, so I at least provide entertainment to the rest. Some days my shooting is OK, sometimes not so much (of course I blame the 70s surplus Soviet ammo, not my lack of practice or discipline .....).


Posted by: non-purist at January 20, 2013 10:47 AM (afQnV)

89 GnuBreed might have to go looking in the back areas. Not the pawn shops on 49 or near the casinos.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 20, 2013 10:47 AM (MoP0k)

90 Indy gun and knife show.

http://tinyurl.com/atjkfyl

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at January 20, 2013 10:47 AM (DGIjM)

91
Pro gun rally at Albany yesterday, got only a 15 second mention on our news last night. Complete with the disapproving tone.

Unless you were connected with pro gun people, you'd never have known about it. We have a good network, though, the crowd was quite large.

This will be typical, just as the Tea Party gatherings were downplayed.

Posted by: irongrampa at January 20, 2013 10:48 AM (SAMxH)

92
I'd like to hear everybody's thoughts on non-semiauto defensive rifles. If semi-auto rifles were banned two or three shootings from now, how would the gun companies work around the ban?

Ruger makes a 10 shot scout rifle. There are high capacity lever actions in .357 and 44 mag, if you can find them. I'd like to see a new production Enfield jungle carbine in .308. Not an Ishapore, but a nice new rifle that doesn't look like afifty year old gun made in India.

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at January 20, 2013 10:49 AM (wWZWw)

93
2 I thought it was a K-frame model 19. Oh well.

Posted by: Vic at January 20, 2013 09:45 AM (53z96)


It kinda is, actually. The dead giveaway is the red plastic insert in the front sight. I guess it helps that I own both.

Posted by: Ed Anger at January 20, 2013 10:49 AM (tOkJB)

94 41 Remember Coffee makes all things possible!

Posted by: Ms.M at January 20, 2013 10:51 AM (+qScL)

95 Garden and Gun Magazine - The Soul of the South

Posted by: thunderb at January 20, 2013 10:51 AM (Dnbau)

96 89 Anna P,

I wasn't really looking for anything to buy -- just went in to observe.

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 20, 2013 10:51 AM (cHZB7)

97 I love this. Instead of those family stickers on the back of cars....... gun stickers.

http://tinyurl.com/bxbjprm

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at January 20, 2013 10:52 AM (DGIjM)

98
I meant to add the Model 29 is like the Model 19 on steroids before mentioning the dead giveaway.

Posted by: Ed Anger at January 20, 2013 10:53 AM (tOkJB)

99 gun show in arizona

http://tinyurl.com/bdnkz5p

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 20, 2013 10:54 AM (GVxQo)

100 Correct about the pawn shops -- I was directed to one recently when searching for a boomstick to round out the collection I don't have. Turns out this alleged "pawn shop" is really just an excuse for the owner's gun collection. Not only did they have a mess of shotguns and rifles, new and used, but also some "scary" ARs and a ton of handguns. Including several old machine pistols, derringers, and other stuff I didn't dare check out for fear I would buy them. Seattle-area Morons looking for scarce weapons should check them out. They had plenty just a few days ago. DJsLoanAndSportInc dot com

Posted by: bad cat robot at January 20, 2013 10:54 AM (wfSF5)

101 So Obama now seeks a 'fuller understanding' of what just happened in Algeria, eh? Well, it's like this ... while you were busy posturing on gun control still more Americans needlessly died in the deserts of North Africa. Why, it's almost as if we don't really have a plan for dealing with these kinds of things.

Posted by: Blacksheep at January 20, 2013 10:55 AM (bS6uW)

102 FTL, yes that's what I mean. I've been calling it a "combo" when I should've been calling it an over-under. TheSavage Model 42in my name-link is pretty much like the one I want.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 20, 2013 10:55 AM (ZshNr)

103 "seeking a fuller understanding" is the new "present"

Posted by: thunderb at January 20, 2013 10:58 AM (Dnbau)

104 I have an Elmer Keith knife that was a giveaway with a subscription to a gun magazine ages ago. It is a very well made knife with a wide blade and leather washer spacer grip. I wouldn't trade it for anything.

(Bing 'Elmer Keith Knife' for a pic.)

Posted by: SurferDoc at January 20, 2013 11:00 AM (6H6FZ)

105 TheSavage Model 42in my name-link is pretty much like the one I want.

In case it is not clear, the barrels are both installed all the time, and there is a lever on the hammer to select which barrel is fired.

Please check their website as they have the owner's manual online.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at January 20, 2013 11:00 AM (V3kRK)

106
Could a 3D printer be argued as a Press under the First Amendment?

That's a really good legal question. I'm not a lawyer, but I've posted many lawyer jokes here and elsewhere, so I'll give it a try.

AFAIK, anything you write is automatically copyrighted to you. The manufacture of a piece of hardware, if said piece is your original design, would be yours. However, if you're copying someone else's intellectual property (as embodied in a patent or a blueprint), you'd be guilty of infringement unless you paid a licensing fee or had a similar arrangement (i.e., legal permission) with the original creators.

OTOH, the proliferation of printers (I'm drawing a parallel to music and the possibility of accidental copying, see Harrison, George) would have to be taken into account also. Think Napster.

Conclusion: I have no idea, but if John Roberts could tax your creation, I'm sure it'd be all right.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 20, 2013 11:00 AM (yiIja)

107 FTL, thanks, yeah I get it now. I had seen the over-under in the store but looked up the combo-type online and they were all describing how easy it was to switch barrels. I'll have to go in person obviously.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 20, 2013 11:01 AM (ZshNr)

108 book thread up

Posted by: Vic at January 20, 2013 11:03 AM (53z96)

109 Well, I had a marvelous time yesterday. My son was home and he decided he would clean all our long guns.

Damn, we have a lot of shit. Even found a Mossberg 12 ga street cleaner with the bar code still on it. I bought that before the last "ban" for $235.

A pair of hump back 20 Ga Brownings, sequentially numbered. Lots of shotguns, mostly 12 GA. Still never found my 16GA Browning that I lent to some fucker and he never returned it. Never lend shit to people drunk, or write down who you lent shit to.

Trust me on this.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 20, 2013 11:03 AM (wR+pz)

110 106 - thanks. Because there's a Congress critter what got wind of magazine printing and now wants to ban the printers for private use.

Posted by: Bigby's Grasp of the Obvious at January 20, 2013 11:04 AM (RLTt1)

111 I took my model 29 on a date to the range yesterday for gun appreciation day yesterday.

Posted by: DiesIrae at January 20, 2013 11:04 AM (1Zcp1)

112 108
book thread up


Posted by: Vic at January 20, 2013 11:03 AM (53z96)


Meh.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 20, 2013 11:04 AM (wR+pz)

113 You pathetic right-wing haters, arming yourselves out of racist fear. Lay down your arms and be embraced in the brotherhood of humankind. There is no race but the human race.


Besides, there is a very strong chance some of you might use these weapons to commit political violence, and that cannot be tolerated. The United States of America must be tamed- it is a rogue nation and a far greater threat to the peace of the world than the poor oppressed North Koreans or the innocent Iranians. Barack Obama should use his multicultural wisdom to help make America a more humble citizen of the global village.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, Vermont at January 20, 2013 11:06 AM (Yg+nf)

114
106 - thanks. Because there's a Congress critter what got wind of magazine printing and now wants to ban the printers for private use.

That figures. Said 'critter is probably a lawyer.

All the more reason to get Moron Arms up and running with all due haste.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 20, 2013 11:07 AM (yiIja)

115 Its getting to the point there's no sense arguing and we just need to stare all these fuckers down.

Posted by: Bigby's Grasp of the Obvious at January 20, 2013 11:10 AM (RLTt1)

116 @6

Baltimore cops are mostly dirt bags. We ran into a group in Myrtle Beach about ten years ago and they tried to steal our hookers. Talk about low.

They even followed us to our hotel and tried to start a fight. One of your friends knew the mayor and had the MB cops there in a flash. That is when we found out they were cops, they tried to get the MB cops to let them go.

How did that work out? Not too good, the boys spent the night in MB jail and the chef call Baltimore the next morning and told their chef about their behavior.

They left for MD when they left the jail.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 20, 2013 11:10 AM (wR+pz)

117 41
Man, its friggin' cold outside and it ain't late enough for bourbon yet


Posted by: Bigby's Grasp of the Obvious at January 20, 2013 10:10 AM (RLTt1)

No one will know, change the clock and start talking with a British accent while you take a shot or two.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 20, 2013 11:13 AM (wR+pz)

118 I have a question. While hunting for the ruger yesterday, the little guy showed me some chiappa 22 double action rifle it was built to look like an m4. I have never heard of them, I was polite and told him no thanks after he told me the do not carry any magazines or accessories for it. Any of you guys have any thoughts on chiappa ?

Posted by: gigg at January 20, 2013 11:13 AM (dDD3H)

119 I am sitting on a couple thousand rounds or so of .308 Win. ammo. Any recommendations on an assault rifle to burn through some of it?

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 20, 2013 11:14 AM (M0O7A)

120 51
I remember small town harware stores....and they sold GUNS.

Posted by: BignJames at January 20, 2013 10:10 AM

Bought my first shotgun at an Ace Hardware store.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 20, 2013 11:16 AM (wR+pz)

121 I remember small town harware stores....and they sold GUNS.

Posted by: BignJames at January 20, 2013 10:10 AM

Bought my first shotgun at an Ace Hardware store.

I was just taking inventory of some of my F.I.L.'s ammo cans. Lots of the boxes had Target price tags.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 20, 2013 11:18 AM (M0O7A)

122 brave sir robin

could i buy some off of you?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 20, 2013 11:20 AM (GVxQo)

123 119, 122...HK-91 is my suggestion...prepare to pay +$2k. .308 / round going rate .66.

Posted by: billygoat at January 20, 2013 11:24 AM (sbL9/)

124 could i buy some off of you?

I would consider it, however:
1) I have no idea how to charge
2) I'm not sure about shipping ammo. re: law

I am half-assed looking for a weapon to fire it through. What are you using, if you don't mind my asking?

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 20, 2013 11:25 AM (M0O7A)

125 123 119, 122...HK-91 is my suggestion

Bad-ass...just looked it up on Gun Broker.
TY

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 20, 2013 11:29 AM (M0O7A)

126 119, 122, 123...and .308 is (least for now) cheaper amd more available than .223........

Posted by: billygoat at January 20, 2013 11:29 AM (b/FsX)

127 125 BSR...what were the prices?...

Posted by: billygoat at January 20, 2013 11:30 AM (b/FsX)

128 I am sitting on a couple thousand rounds or so of .308 Win. ammo. Any
recommendations on an assault rifle to burn through some of it?>>

I have a MAS 49/56 chambered in .308. probably not what you were looking for but since it's not as popular as other EBRs you wont pay nearly as much either.


http://tinyurl.com/b9bhkuh guns America link

http://tinyurl.com/ba9nsx2 Gun Review link

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 20, 2013 11:31 AM (qo244)

129 I am sitting on a couple thousand rounds or so of .308 Win. ammo. Any
recommendations on an assault rifle to burn through some of it?
-------------------

It'll probably be a year at least before you'll find a military style semi-auto (you can't get an assault rifle, which are full auto, without jumping through a bunch of federal hoops).

Several companies make AR-10 variants. I hear decent things about PTR-91s (HK 91 clone). If you can live without a pistol grip, Springfield Armory makes many variants of their M1A.

You've got lots of time to do research. ar-15.com is a good place to hang out and absorb knowledge.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 20, 2013 11:32 AM (celt+)

130 $2500-$4500. I just kind of glanced...the $4500 one was all tricked out w/bi-pod et al
It looks like a sweet weapon though. Was/is that what the GDR issues?

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 20, 2013 11:33 AM (M0O7A)

131 Revolvers are hard. I couldn't hit a goddam thing with my Smith Model 10. It wasn't until I got a Glock 19 that I learned to shoot. Then I could shoot with anything.

Maybe it's because I'm a girrll.

Posted by: Jeanne of the North at January 20, 2013 11:34 AM (3UIhH)

132 I can't search for the link in this stupid iphone, but there are outfits that make modern reproductions of SMLE jungle carbines and MK iii & 4s, and German WW2 Mausers. Beautiful.

Posted by: Comrade Trainer on his Iphone at January 20, 2013 11:36 AM (L8M3D)

133 (you can't get an assault rifle, which are full auto,

I guess I was using the more expansive def. of "assault rifle." I never knew "assault" meant full auto.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 20, 2013 11:36 AM (M0O7A)

134 Does anyone know the make and model of the gun used in the recent assassination attempt. It's going on my "do not buy" list.

Thanks.

Posted by: mare at January 20, 2013 11:37 AM (A98Xu)

135 132 Comrade Trainer,

Gibbs Rifle co.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 20, 2013 11:38 AM (LRFds)

136 @113

Sounds like Mary hasn't taking her morning dump yet. Drink some coffee honey.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 20, 2013 11:38 AM (wR+pz)

137 More on Elmer Keith. When he was in a nursing home before he passed on, one of the gun writers gave the address and suggested that readers send him a card. A 'get well' card didn't seem right to me, so I found some kind of 'friend' card and sent that. I got a little thank you note from one of his family members that said how much the cards meant to him and that he had been well enough to enjoy them. He actually was a living legend, a person whose work changed things significantly and whose work still endures to this day. If you had a Model 19 or 66, or a Model 29 or 629 or just about anything that shoots .357 or .44 magnum, he was the guy who got the ideas, experimented with the handloads and pushed and prodded people who made them a reality. He didn't do it alone but it he was catalyst.

Posted by: SurferDoc at January 20, 2013 11:39 AM (6H6FZ)

138 I guess I was using the more expansive def. of "assault rifle." I never knew "assault" meant full auto.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 20, 2013 11:36 AM (M0O7A)

It doesn't. They, the MSM, call any gun tricked out that looks like a military weapon an assault weapon. Like I am going into combat with at tricked out 10/22.

Fucking idiots.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 20, 2013 11:41 AM (wR+pz)

139 Brave Sir Robin,

Assault rifle means "whatever they want to ban"

I know the definition I was taught in the Army it does not match Chuck Schumer's

Posted by: sven10077 at January 20, 2013 11:43 AM (LRFds)

140 130...I believe they used to issue...AR-10 ref at 129 is also a good idea...

Posted by: billygoat at January 20, 2013 11:47 AM (DPXnL)

141 The Mausers can be found by searching for Michells Mausers

Posted by: Comrade Trainer on his Iphone at January 20, 2013 11:48 AM (L8M3D)

142 I dream of Jeanne
And her Eeee-vill Glock

Used to have a 629 w/Pachmayer combat grips.
Had to sell it due to hard times long ago.
Miss that piece.

Posted by: teej at January 20, 2013 11:49 AM (b9+ZZ)

143 Just to be clear, the term "assault rifle" derives from the original German "Sturmgewehr" (sturm = assault, gewehr = rifle). It applies to a select-fire (i.e., capable of both semi and full auto fire), pistol-gripped, high magazine capacity rifle firing an intermediate (longer than a pistol, shorter than a rifle) cartridge. The term has been applied to semi-auto rifles of similar style as a scare term, like "Saturday Night Special".

AR-15s are not "assault rifles", because they lack full-auto capability. They are military-styled semi-autos, functionally identical to semi-automatic hunting rifles.


Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 20, 2013 11:51 AM (celt+)

144 "I'd like to hear everybody's thoughts on non-semiauto defensive rifles.
If semi-auto rifles were banned two or three shootings from now, how
would the gun companies work around the ban?"
-----------------
Remington used to make a pump rifle that accepted AR-15 mags. They'd probably bring it back.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 20, 2013 11:54 AM (celt+)

145 143 Taro Tsukimoto,

and now according to NY Donks a 7 shot semi-auto tubular magazine fed shot gun, or any shotgun with a pistol grip, or.......

it is amazing that they think Elmer Fudd will accept any of this, and if he does I will work with the other lib idiots to outlaw hunting to screw fudd further.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 20, 2013 11:55 AM (LRFds)

146 144 Taro Tsujimoto,

Mossberg is making a bolt gun fed by AR mags.....

frankly I have performed greater marksmanship feats with a lever gun than a semi-auto unless I practice back to my old infantry skills.

They are, sincerely, nibbling for all guns over time.

They will not stop, and when they still have not fixed "evil" they will try to univent knives like England.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 20, 2013 11:57 AM (LRFds)

147 119 I am sitting on a couple thousand rounds or so of .308 Win. ammo. Any recommendations on an assault rifle to burn through some of it?

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 20, 2013 11:14 AM (M0O7A)

Look into the FN FAL. It was the main battle rifle of over 80 countries, including the UK, who only issued theirs in semi-auto. Was used on both sides of the Falklands war. Every bit as reliable as the AK, and shoots a much better round. Can be built from a parts kit, and new receivers are available from DS Arms and Coonan. Look on the FALFiles forum for builders (Moses and Gun plumber are both top notch) if you don't want to build it yourself.

Loved my FAL. Too bad about that unfortunate boating accident.

Posted by: Oedipus at January 20, 2013 12:00 PM (Tjkt6)

148 Because there's a Congress critter what got wind of magazine printing and now wants to ban the printers for private use.

Nobody really "needs" a mill or drill press, either, come to think of it.

Posted by: t-bird at January 20, 2013 12:00 PM (FcR7P)

149 148 t-bird,

not only did you not build that you will NEVER build that you're on your own!

//Hiawatha Warren

Posted by: sven10077 at January 20, 2013 12:02 PM (LRFds)

150 #147 - damn, how could I forget the FAL? Lovely rifle. DSA makes them in a ton of configurations. If they ever make a heavy-barrel Israeli version, I may have to work a few weeks' worth of overtime.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 20, 2013 12:03 PM (celt+)

151 Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 20, 2013 09:54 AM (celt+)

Nice. What did all the upgrades cost?

Posted by: Invictus at January 20, 2013 12:10 PM (OQpzc)

152 not only did you not build that you will NEVER build that you're on your own!

It's fun trying to figure out the limits of their stupidity. Then right when you think you've got them pegged, they do something even dumber.

Posted by: t-bird at January 20, 2013 12:10 PM (FcR7P)

153 Model 29

Posted by: nraendowment at January 20, 2013 12:24 PM (Msv+6)

154 "Nice. What did all the upgrades cost?"
---------------

Thanks! Let's see - $190 barrel, another $190 for the bayo mount, mag extension and sling plate, and $70 for the stock and forend.

Ouch! I hadn't added it up before. Ah, what the hell, you only live once.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 20, 2013 12:28 PM (celt+)

155 151...TT....sweet!....and thx Invictus for your mention of this...jumped on the thread late and am surfing via droid....

Posted by: billygoat at January 20, 2013 12:29 PM (cdgHW)

156 I love my 629. It was the first new gun I bought, back in '81. I'm old.

Posted by: nraendowment at January 20, 2013 12:31 PM (Msv+6)

157 You can still buy a gun in a hardware store, gas station, hell even in a Radio Shack I know ...

Posted by: garrett at January 20, 2013 12:31 PM (0rBq5)

158 The gun stores here in SW Ohio are denuded. Good luck finding anything guns or ammo wise. The exception to this, just like during the last panic 4 years ago, is shotguns and shotgun shells. Those are still plentiful. I bought a bunch of 00 buck and slugs yesterday for my home defense shotgun. So if you are looking for a gun and want some ammo for it, consider a shotgun.

Posted by: Witchfinder at January 20, 2013 12:31 PM (s/PhC)

159 The Chief of Police in my city gets to decide if you get to buy a gun. No appeal.

FML

Posted by: The Hobo Wears Prada at January 20, 2013 12:34 PM (Z5BDI)

160 You know what is funny?

Larry Hyatt, owner of the largest independent gun shop in the country, told me last spring to hold off buying bulk ammo, because the demand from the military was slacking off and the prices would go down. This was in May last year.

I waited. I got fucked.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 20, 2013 12:36 PM (wR+pz)

161 I own a 6-inch Smith and Wesson Model 25 "N-Frame" with both the .45 Long Colt and .45 ACP cylinders. I think I paid something like $350 for it in gently used condition back in the early 1990s. I guess it's worth close to $1000 in devalued Obama-bucks now.

I never got a Smith Model 29 because I always felt it was a little under-engineered for such a hot cartridge. My Ruger Super Blackhawk has significantly thicker cylinder walls than a Model 29.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at January 20, 2013 12:39 PM (nYHk7)

162 We need a football thread or something.

The place is deader than Hair Plug Joe's dick.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 20, 2013 12:44 PM (wR+pz)

163
I didn't make the rally in Denver yesterday, but I heard estimates of around 2,000. The big hit of the day was the Bald Eagle thatcircled high abovethe gathering at one point.


All those gun nuts and no one took a shot....

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 20, 2013 12:47 PM (jTKU5)

164 Shelves bare of AR platform rifles, mags, and .223/5.56 rounds. (Western suburbs, De-toilet) Glad I snagged my SIG M400 back in August!

Posted by: Warlord1958 at January 20, 2013 12:54 PM (nENpd)

165 I had a Model 29 .44 mag

Beautiful gun, but it kicked like a bitch and the ammo was too pricey for plinking

So I went over to a great yet mega-wussy .22 Hi Standard target pistol

Posted by: TexasJew at January 20, 2013 12:55 PM (lD8ju)

166 I still think a mini 14 is a much better gun than an AR. I have both.

Course, my favorite is this, just wish I could find some cheap ammo for it.



http://tinyurl.com/354hud

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 20, 2013 12:57 PM (wR+pz)

167 I'd take that as an indicator that the lead is lacking real world comarative anatomy lab work.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 20, 2013 10:24 AM (LRFds)
===========


Huh? Ya mean he's never been laid, right?

Posted by: Nighthawk at January 20, 2013 01:00 PM (paPv4)

168 this thing have a heart beat here?

Posted by: Jake in ID at January 20, 2013 01:04 PM (jfSqj)

169 We need elbows to bring it back to life.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 20, 2013 01:04 PM (wR+pz)

170 167 nighthawk,

uh "yeah"

Posted by: sven10077 at January 20, 2013 01:14 PM (LRFds)

171 How do you know it's not the model 57?

Posted by: The Mayor of Candor at January 20, 2013 01:18 PM (c4IBC)

172 Regarding Patent rights,I'm no lawyer, but you can copy someones design as long as you make it for personal use and do not go into the business of selling it.

Posted by: Cicero Skip at January 20, 2013 01:22 PM (ye4NA)

173 Elbows are up

Posted by: Vic at January 20, 2013 01:22 PM (53z96)

174 I for one am tired of the "panic" label.

Posted by: nip at January 20, 2013 01:25 PM (11Tdq)

175 Just bought a ruger mini-14 and a mosin nagant last week. Prices are crazy. My thoughts on the ammo is similar to what we pay for gas right now. everyone's gotten accustomed to the higher prices. Guns however I think will come down now that thet mad rush is almost over.

Posted by: Talibill at January 20, 2013 01:25 PM (09GrE)

176 172 Cicero's Skip,

It'd be hard for them to bring a case, but the law has drifted so far on IP it's hard telling.

"Rule of law" is now "whim of social justice"

Posted by: sven10077 at January 20, 2013 01:26 PM (LRFds)

177 174 Nip,

It ain't panic when they're discussing banning printers, secreting their notes on long term goals, etc etc etc

I was taught the word was "prudence."

Posted by: sven10077 at January 20, 2013 01:27 PM (LRFds)

178
I never got a Smith Model 29 because I always felt it was a little under-engineered for such a hot cartridge. My Ruger Super Blackhawk has significantly thicker cylinder walls than a Model 29.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at January 20, 2013 12:39 PM (nYHk7)


You're right about that. The 29 is a great gun but it can't handle loads as hot as the Ruger. I've read professional gun writers compare them in term like "sports car versus pickup truck".

Posted by: Ed Anger at January 20, 2013 01:37 PM (tOkJB)

179 I only carry my model 29 in places where there are bears and I am not supposed to be carrying anything. Speaking of Elmer Keith, 240 grain Keith bullet. Better to be tried by a jury than eaten.

Posted by: Putter at January 20, 2013 01:43 PM (JkrPf)

180 Why would you NEED 6 shots?

Been waiting over a week for my angled foregrip and adjustable foregrip. Please tell me those aren't backordered as well.

Posted by: RWC at January 20, 2013 01:48 PM (sqp6o)

181 any 3 Gunners here?

Posted by: Jake in ID at January 20, 2013 01:58 PM (jfSqj)

182 Regarding the home surgery, now they will take your dick off.

Posted by: madamex at January 20, 2013 02:07 PM (Ztp7S)

183 "any 3 Gunners here?"
-----------------

Hell, no. I've got, like, twelve.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 20, 2013 02:08 PM (celt+)

184 Hell, no. I've got, like, twelve.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 20, 2013 02:08 PM (celt+)


er, the shooting sport


great hash





Posted by: Jake in ID at January 20, 2013 02:12 PM (jfSqj)

185 I just got back from SHOTshow, it does not appear to me that the availability issue with ammunition is going to change much in the forseeable future.

Posted by: HvyMtlHntr at January 20, 2013 02:29 PM (uW/Aj)

186 Brave Sir Robin,
This seems nice for a .308...
http://www.coltsmfg.com/Catalog/ColtRifles/ColtLE90116S.aspx

Posted by: ChrisP at January 20, 2013 02:33 PM (IVK7F)

187 it does not appear to me that the availability issue with ammunition is going to change much in the forseeable future.
Posted by: HvyMtlHntr at January 20, 2013 02:29 PM (uW/Aj)


I kinda heard something like that also

Posted by: Jake in ID at January 20, 2013 02:35 PM (jfSqj)

188 187 Jake in ID,

Yup....reloading gents, reloading reloading reloading.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 20, 2013 02:35 PM (LRFds)

189 "prudence."

Fuckin A.

Posted by: nip at January 20, 2013 02:49 PM (11Tdq)

190 Went to a gun show in Boise ID last week. Plenty of rifles, pistols, not much ammo. Good selection of AR 15s. Priced up at the $1800 to $2200 range. There was a rack of 10 for $20,000, rack included. Went to Cabalaels yesterday ammo picked over prices up, no large quantities available. Take a number for gun sale help, manyopen spaces for pistols and rifles.Stopped at Wal-Mart for a few thing, checked out the ammo.The clerk (associate) walked over and asked if I need any help. I inquiredabout some specific calibers andhesaid they were out. He then added that the cleared out shelves had nothing to do with the election, only that they are always low this tine of the year.I left it at that (you can't talk rational to stupid). and said I'll be back in Feb. to check out his new stock pile.

Posted by: Bufalobob at January 20, 2013 02:55 PM (x+7qA)

191 The real difficulty for those of us that do a lot of reloading will be primers- still in very short supply, and demand is through the roof. Brass still difficult also, esp. in anything with standard military applications. The industry is expecting the Obamanation to go after components/ammunition manufacture through EPA regulation. If you can locate primers of the proper size for your personal reloading, BUY them.

Posted by: HvyMtlHntr at January 20, 2013 03:08 PM (uW/Aj)

192 Can't find .22LR to save my life.

9mm, .40, 5.56? those I understand. But .22LR?

I can find 6.8SPC and 10mm all day long, though. Weirdly, 7.62x39 is fairly plentiful, too.

Posted by: wizardpc at January 20, 2013 04:16 PM (alRN7)

193 I stopped by my local shooting range/gun store today. No rifles (when usually there are a hundred), place packed shoulder to shoulder with people waiting for a lane. Plenty of pistols (with moderately hiked prices). Only ammo available was for people waiting to rent a lane. I've been going in there a couple of times a month fir 20 years, and have never seen it like that. Also, for what it is worth, the place didn't have it's usual friendly feel.

Posted by: Comrade Trainer on his Iphone at January 20, 2013 04:28 PM (MVGKx)

194 193 comrade trainer,

the bill of rights is under assault and those employees have been busier than hell....

no shocker.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 20, 2013 04:33 PM (LRFds)

195 the bill of rights is under assault and those employees have been busier than hell....

no shocker.


Posted by: sven10077 at January 20, 2013 04:33 PM
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No shit. That's gotta be one busy workplace right now. Not even able to give your customers what their coming for. It's gotta be frustrating.

Posted by: Lurking Flanuer at January 20, 2013 04:42 PM (Mh+lD)

196 oops. Their = they're

Posted by: Lurking Flanuer at January 20, 2013 04:44 PM (Mh+lD)

197 OK, I asked a 'ron, but I'll also ask you: Broke my neck a few years back--have a plate in it and can walk and all, but my hands are weak and sometimes go numb. What's a decent gun for a cripply 'ette? (I had my grandma's .22, but right after the neck-breaking I didn't think I'd shoot or anything again, so sold it. I was a good marksman.)

Posted by: Quint&Jessel, Sea of Bly, Azof, UK at January 20, 2013 05:00 PM (7v5Ct)

198
188

Yup....reloading gents, reloading reloading reloading.

Just orded my Hornady ammo plant last week. Brass, bullets and primers are hard to come by right now except out of the ordinary calibers.

Posted by: Talibill at January 20, 2013 05:09 PM (09GrE)

199 I've got two 29-2s, a 4" and a 6", thanks to "48 Hours" and "Dirty Harry" respectively. With 200gr. Speer Gold Dot JHPs the 4" is easier to control than my 6" Model 14 with 130gr. Winchester White Box.

SW doesn't make guns like that anymore. NOBODY does.

Posted by: Deanimator at January 20, 2013 05:41 PM (2YnwF)

200
Interesting how much longer these gun threads last in comparison to the others.

Posted by: Ed Anger at January 20, 2013 05:52 PM (tOkJB)

201
"OK, I asked a 'ron, but I'll also ask you: Broke my neck a few years
back--have a plate in it and can walk and all, but my hands are weak and
sometimes go numb. What's a decent gun for a cripply 'ette?"
-------------------------

See if you can find a used Beretta 86 (they don't make them anymore). It's a .380 automatic with a tip-up barrel. You insert the magazine, then tip up the barrel and insert a round into the chamber (so you don't have to rack the slide). It's double-action, so the first trigger pull might be tough depending upon how limited your strength is, but the subsequent shots would be single-action (i.e., much lighter). Alternatively, you could thumb back the hammer for the first shot, if you can.

But it would be better if you could find a nice .38 double-action revolver with a fairly light trigger pull. Smith and Wesson .38s were made in the millions and were the standard for law enforcement, so they're easy to find. You'll find them at every gun store and pawn shop. Just pull the trigger a few times and see if you can manage it.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at January 20, 2013 06:22 PM (celt+)

202 Never put much thought into until recently but have come to the conclusion that the AR-15 family is an excellent entry level long gun (in 5.56mm) - low recoil, light weight, good accuracy, relatively cheap ammo, good range, compact. It's really not top shelf in any one category (range, power, accuracy...), but is a good second best. A nice jack of all trades.

Some would argue that a .22 rimfire is the best for teaching basic skills and cheap plinking so it should be the entry level long gun - but see above, the AR-15 is second best at everything all around. Ever the military find it an excellent entry level firearm (errr, weapon).

I from this point forward will recommend an AR-15 clone as the best entry level long gun for newbies. Too bad the industry hasn't pushed it as the ultimate entry level long gun - or simply one's best choice for one's first. Might have fought off the scary black gun shiite...

Posted by: Obamao at January 20, 2013 06:56 PM (JtyGg)

203 What's a decent gun for a cripply 'ette? (I had my grandma's .22, but right after the neck-breaking I didn't think I'd shoot or anything again, so sold it. I was a good marksman.)
Posted by: Quint&Jessel, Sea of Bly, Azof, UK at January 20, 2013 05:00 PM (7v5Ct)

.22 revolver?



Posted by: Jake in ID at January 20, 2013 07:17 PM (jfSqj)

204 In early September, I ordered a Ruger .357. I was hoping to have it for my birthday in October. Uh, no chance. They were backordered for months and months having sold orders for well over a million firearms by then. By December, my patience ran out and I went back to the gun store where they had a beautiful SW 686 plus, SS 6" barrel .357. I was quick to get my deposit back and buy the SW from the case. Being that this is CA, I had to wait ten days (eleven really) to pick up. During the 10 day wait, the Sandy Hook murders happened. When I went back to the gun store it was HOLY FRIJOLES! They were in the process of being cleaned-out. Most of the long guns were off the rack and the pistol cases that were four shelves were down to one shelf full and three empty. It lookes like those pictures of supermarket shelves in Florida the day before a hurricane hits. They had all hands on deck doing purchase paperwork. The range lanes had waiting lists two deep on a sunny Saturday morning.
You should know that this is in the San Francisco Bay Area, in Mike Honda's district, the part that used to vote for Pete Stark with 65%. This is a place thick with leftists of all colors where people tell me "You're a conservative? I don't think that I ever met one" so yes, it's real, people are arming up, getting their guns while they can, even here in the bluest part of a deep blue state.

Posted by: Max Entropy at January 20, 2013 07:21 PM (NwTXA)

205 @ 129, for the .308 (7.62 x 51) I suggest the M1A. J&G sales has used police trade ins in stock. They are pricey (about 50% over priced IMO). Didn't stop me from getting one though.

The wife told me Wally World was all out of .22 ammo. She is worried she will never be able to get any more. She likes to plink with her little .22 pistol who she lovingly named "baby gun". Gotta love a gun lady.

I bought a S&W model 29 years ago. I still have it. That is a darn fine wheel gun.

Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at January 20, 2013 07:43 PM (Sedwk)

206 @203 if you still have both arms working, one hand and one eye you should do fine with an AR-15 - good entry level long gun.

Posted by: Obamao at January 20, 2013 08:15 PM (JtyGg)

207 Yep: gotta keep the blahs in their place.

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at January 20, 2013 09:13 PM (21TJo)

208
Hi, thanks for the tips! Much appreciated!
It was a custom .22 rifle, made for a short tiny woman with big knockers.

Posted by: Quint&Jessel, Sea of Bly, Azof, UK at January 20, 2013 10:04 PM (7v5Ct)

209 I realize that yesterday's thread is dead dead dead but... I bought a 9mm Walther PPQ today.

Picture of the proof on my blog.

I took it apart and cleaned it, and switched to the small back strap, but I haven't shot it yet. I shot a rental on Friday and it's a sweet gun.

I had a shot gun when I was a kid. I have no idea where it is now. So this isn't my *first* gun, but just about.

Posted by: Synova at January 20, 2013 10:16 PM (7/PU+)

210 If you people don't have reloading equipment and know-how + components, you are so SCREWED.....especially NYers.

Posted by: GrandeMe at January 20, 2013 11:53 PM (i0yTO)

211 71I never hear law enforcement guys reassuring us on these threads anymore. Just a observation.
Posted by: Bigby's Grasp of the Obvious at January 20, 2013 10:28 AM (RLTt1)----------Bingo! No one is buying reassuring bullshit any longer. Not with the Commie Thug-in-Chief and his progressive political minions, including proggies in the Fellatio Media setting the language of the gun confiscation debate.

Posted by: RickZ at January 21, 2013 06:36 AM (3o0hi)

212 You might consider an FN 5.7X28mm FiveseveN, 197.

Light weight, little recoil, flat shooting, high capacity.


Or a Beretta .22 Neos with CCI Velociters.

Posted by: taba at January 21, 2013 09:02 AM (6UmCE)

213 Ilike my SW in the .357Mag flavor. Can practice with .38 which are a lot cheaper.

Posted by: walknot at January 21, 2013 09:42 AM (vo2je)

214 @202
I'm with you on this, the AR is the Jack of All. You can easily shoot 300-400 rounds through one in a day and not feel as if you've been beating down. And damn, do they shoot well. Their must be at least 50 manufactures of them and for the most part they are all good with some being truely exceptional. It's no wonder everyone wants one.

Posted by: Kat_man at January 21, 2013 09:56 AM (SWgny)






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