House GOP Will Pass Three Month Debt-Ceiling Hike; Further Extension Requires Senate Democrats to Finally Pass a Budget

Uhhh... I guess I like the attempt at forcing the issue but we know the Democrats will not comply. Reid doesn't want a budget; Obama doesn't want a budget. They don't want to make it official how many trillions they've increased spending by. Not having a budget helps them hide this.

So the whole gadget-play is really an effort to drum up media interest -- the media absolutely refuses to cover why a law demanding a budget has been ignored four years running.

And we also know how that's going to work -- the media will ignore it, because they are no longer hiding the fact that they're Democrats and working for Reid, Pelosi, and Obama. (Well, they hide it in the sense that they'll lie and deny it if accused of it; but otherwise they make little pretense.)

So... it results in nothing. Cute idea, but it makes false assumptions about the Democratic Party and the media (but I repeat myself).

But our thought-leaders seem to be giving up on the prospect of actually winning anything. Charles Krauthammer stated:

“Don’t force the issue if you don’t have the power.”

Quoted at Hot Air. Krauthammer actually suggested this stratagem (or else he was leaked the plan in advance).

And Rush Limbaugh said today -- I hope I am not taking him out of context -- that we should not expect much by way of determined, real resistance to Obama's spending plans for this whole year. So apparently people have decided on some kind of Zen Martial Arts strategy here, like "when your opponent is hard, be soft" or whatever.

I always thought that was stupid but it worked like the dickens for Caine.

Rush also went off on a riff that sounded super-familiar to me. I'm not even saying he read my piece; ideas are cheap, people thinking about the same set of facts will tend to talk about the same limited universe of conclusions, and even yesterday I acknowledged that what I was writing was in no way some novel idea.

But still, it was nice to hear sort of the same thing I'd said from Rush.


Posted by: Ace at 04:09 PM



Comments

1 You're the vanguard, Ace.

Posted by: wheatie at January 18, 2013 04:11 PM (fH4X9)

2 why thank you. I *am* the vanguard.

Posted by: ace at January 18, 2013 04:12 PM (LCRYB)

3 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 18, 2013 04:12 PM (/eBe8)

4 In that you guard windowless vans, Ace.

I keed, I keed.

Posted by: LibertarianJim (team #letitburn) at January 18, 2013 04:13 PM (CMbMd)

5 The cynicism is strong is this one.

Posted by: JohnJ at January 18, 2013 04:13 PM (Tt6ky)

6 >> "when your opponent is hard, be soft"

That was the plot of Vivid's Die Hard 69, IIRC.

Posted by: Andy at January 18, 2013 04:13 PM (C/NnJ)

7 Don't sell yourself short Ace. It wouldn't surprise me if he did come here....

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at January 18, 2013 04:13 PM (9+ccr)

8 The cynicism is strong in this one.

Posted by: JohnJ at January 18, 2013 04:13 PM (Tt6ky)

9 The correct answer is to refuse to raise the debt ceiling this time until a budget is passed and signed into law.

"We will gladly raise the debt ceiling as soon as we know what we're paying for."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 18, 2013 04:14 PM (/eBe8)

10 LET IT BURN

Posted by: TC at January 18, 2013 04:14 PM (ygAxO)

11 K, um, that photo of Obama? What in hell is he looking at? His next butt-buddy's butt? Honestly, what a stupid photo.


Course, he can't look anybody in the eye anymore, cause of all the lying.

Posted by: tcn at January 18, 2013 04:14 PM (ZOUmX)

12 Let. It. Burn.

Posted by: BlueStateRepub at January 18, 2013 04:14 PM (7ObY1)

13
Ewok prescience.
It is mostly the result of a pants free lifestyle.

Posted by: garrett at January 18, 2013 04:14 PM (FZ3Ul)

14

so tell me again, pretend I'm the average voter, tell me why I should vote Republican in 2014


turnout is gonna be so low the races will appear as forfeits

Posted by: soothsayer at January 18, 2013 04:15 PM (zwqd/)

15 Pioneers take the arrows, Ace.
_

Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 18, 2013 04:15 PM (RuUvx)

16 It would be nice to see some spinal fortitude out of our R's in DC.

So I wish guys like Krauthammer would encourage them to stand up and fight...instead of talking about what deals he think they should make.


Posted by: wheatie at January 18, 2013 04:15 PM (fH4X9)

17 Agreed.

Let. It. Burn.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 18, 2013 04:15 PM (/eBe8)

18
And Rush Limbaugh said today -- I hope I am not taking him out of context -- that we should not expect much by way of determined, real resistance to Obama's spending plans for this whole year. So apparently people have decided on some kind of Zen Martial Arts strategy here, like "when your opponent is hard, be soft" or whatever.


I don't think it would necessarily be Rush advocating this position so much as Rush saying, "Look, this is what the Republicans have decided to do. If you're going to let that tear you apart, be prepared for a bad year." But I didn't hear the monologue so I couldn't say for sure; it just sounds like what he'd say.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 18, 2013 04:16 PM (4df7R)

19 I thought the old adage was "When your opponent is hard, don't drop the soap."

Posted by: NJ Libertarian (@BadMesmer) at January 18, 2013 04:16 PM (GE0Kl)

20 Why doesn't "let it burn" also apply to the Republican Party?

Posted by: Mr. Estrada at January 18, 2013 04:16 PM (aLyv3)

21 Is there a chance Boehner doesn't have the votes for this? It might go down in flames like his Plan B vote did. Not all House Republicans are willing to kick the can indefinitely.

Posted by: Jordan at January 18, 2013 04:16 PM (Hz1zc)

22 THe only play left is to remind the hell out of everyone--

the Senate is held by a--

DEMOCRAT MAJORITY.

Drive that the hell home.

Just because Reid is an old white guy--that doesn't make him a Republican--although right now I am sure a majority of the voting electorate thinks Reid is--Republican.

The media keeps referring to Congress like it is a wholly Republican entity.

If we can't' beat them at that it is game over.

Time for the Dems to --

own it.

I think that's what Krauthammer is suggesting--but he's doing it more passive manner.

Posted by: tasker at January 18, 2013 04:17 PM (r2PLg)

23
"When your opponent is hard, be soft". Jebus how gay does that sound?

Posted by: maddogg at January 18, 2013 04:17 PM (OlN4e)

24 Besides, wouldn't it be cool to have someone from a third party elected to, say, Congress?

Posted by: Mr. Estrada at January 18, 2013 04:17 PM (aLyv3)

25
Vanguard was a hell of a game for Atari 2600.

Hmmm...time for an online retro search...once I'm done losing this effing game of poker.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at January 18, 2013 04:17 PM (0WLla)

26 Oh, I'm pretty sure Rush reads here alla time. Plus the War Room guy out of PA. I know because I'll sometimes hear them talk about the same subjects you're talking about on the blog. In the same order you posted them. With selected comments from the thread.

Posted by: Bigby's 2 Fingers of Gin at January 18, 2013 04:17 PM (3ZtZW)

27 It's already burning

Watch... It ... Burn

Posted by: kbdabear at January 18, 2013 04:17 PM (wwsoB)

28 Eh, if Democrats can ignore budget law, they can ignore the debt ceiling. We have literally no upper hand here.

Posted by: JDTAY at January 18, 2013 04:18 PM (a0nis)

29 Huh? I thought I heard it said that the Dem's continuing budget was going to expire this year anyways? Which would allow the GOP House to shut down the govt. until they get a budget they agree to pass.

Am I misinformed?

Posted by: Serious Cat at January 18, 2013 04:18 PM (UypUQ)

30 We tried the more radical road with Gingrich--it didn't work.

We lost--Big Time.

Krauthammer at the end of his piece suggests winning for once.

Winning is EVERY damn thing in politics.

Posted by: tasker at January 18, 2013 04:18 PM (r2PLg)

31

at the reservation, Boehner is known as:

Man Who Draws Many Lines In Sand And Walks Backwards

Posted by: soothsayer at January 18, 2013 04:19 PM (zwqd/)

32 OT/ but where is Hillary. We've had another American murdered and others are still held captive.... WTF?

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at January 18, 2013 04:19 PM (9+ccr)

33 Just wondering if since the government did not pass a budget am I free to not pay taxes?

Posted by: Mekan at January 18, 2013 04:19 PM (hm8tW)

34 The left wants to spend until additional borrowing becomes impossible. Given that the spineless GOP is uninterested in stopping it. I think it would be beneficial to complete that journey as quickly as possible.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at January 18, 2013 04:19 PM (epxV4)

35 fantastic.....burn burn burn

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 18, 2013 04:20 PM (GVxQo)

36 SIDEBAR: Stephen Colbert to Run for Congress

His sister is running, not him.

Posted by: CJ at January 18, 2013 04:20 PM (9KqcB)

37 OT/ but where is Hillary

Healing up from her plastic surgery. I mean blood clot.

Posted by: Bigby's 2 Fingers of Gin at January 18, 2013 04:20 PM (3ZtZW)

38
If you don't pass a budget....I'll start cutting again!

*Single tear*

Posted by: Joanne Boehner at January 18, 2013 04:20 PM (0WLla)

39
32OT/ but where is Hillary. We've had another American murdered and others are still held captive.... WTF?





Da Beast is having her cankles ironed. it's a long hard slog.

Posted by: maddogg at January 18, 2013 04:20 PM (OlN4e)

40 I wish I could say that the GOP fought the good fight and the MSM Sisters let them be ... I wish I could say that ... but Washington is no fairy tail world.

Posted by: "Red" Limbaugh at January 18, 2013 04:20 PM (wwsoB)

41 Huh? I thought I heard it said that the Dem's continuing budget was going to expire this year anyways? Which would allow the GOP House to shut down the govt. until they get a budget they agree to pass.Am I misinformed?
Posted by: Serious Cat at January 18, 2013 04:18 PM (UypUQ)


You're forgetting the most important point, which is that the Republicans will inevitably cave when the continuing res. comes up in three months.

"Pass a budget!" the House will say.

"No!" the Senate will say.

"Okay!" the House will say.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 18, 2013 04:20 PM (4df7R)

42 The flaw with the Pub strategy of avoiding conflict, is that the media will still blame them for the collapse regardless. Obama's campaign, now non-profit, will be running ads blaming the right, and we still won't have anything that looks like positive action, much less a defense.

Posted by: Jean at January 18, 2013 04:20 PM (+NNlC)

43 What will the abnormally small do about changing their light bulbs if we keep raising the ceiling?

Posted by: Hank Johnson at January 18, 2013 04:21 PM (C6XFd)

44 man, if only romney had...

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at January 18, 2013 04:21 PM (QxSug)

45 I'm just done with it, it's the same thing every time, give in now and we'll get 'em next time, every time. Does no one remember all the assurances of how republicans now had the upper hand after giving in to the tax hikes? And how we'd get all we wanted after we separated the tax hikes from the spending? And yet here we are, once again saying gee, guess we can't get anything after all so let's once again give in now and we'll get ' em next time. Done. With. It.

Posted by: booger at January 18, 2013 04:21 PM (HI6wa)

46






Ya está en el fuego.









ˇpermiso para quemar!

Posted by: Kinley Ardal, bad at Spanish at January 18, 2013 04:21 PM (5jXLv)

47 >>>So the whole gadget-play is really an effort to drum up media interest
-- the media absolutely refuses to cover why a law demanding a budget
has been ignored four years running.

Yeah, in three months ITRLTL* the media will have to spin how Boehner demanding the Senate pass a budget, any budget, before the debt ceiling will be extended is "obstruction". That's a tall order even for them.


*My new acronym "If The Republic Lasts That Long" as a general qualifier for all future discussions of the future.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Back From Beyond at January 18, 2013 04:21 PM (0q2P7)

48 What in the blue hell happened with the spacing in that comment.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal, bad at Spanish at January 18, 2013 04:22 PM (5jXLv)

49 "It's already burning"

Well, our society is, sure, but the Republican Party isn't. The Republican Party is still everyone's focus of attention. Everyone's talking about how we can "turn the GOP around," or get them to stand up to Obama on this thing or that thing, arguing about which "hill" they should actually make a stand on. Nothing every changes.

Posted by: Mr. Estrada at January 18, 2013 04:22 PM (aLyv3)

50 So if the Senate does pass a budget, what do we win?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 18, 2013 04:22 PM (TpXEI)

51 So apparently people have decided on some kind of Zen Martial Arts strategy here, like "when your opponent is hard,

Bend over.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 18, 2013 04:22 PM (GFM2b)

52 seriously, though, a budget should be the only thing the GOP should be fighting for right now (and start learning to love the filibuster, guys, that's the second thing).

Everything else is secondary. If we manage to cut spending to a deficit of say...$400billion (I know, right?)...then SHTF a little bit less, the bernake doesn't need to print so much $, etc.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at January 18, 2013 04:22 PM (QxSug)

53 *ever (not every)

Posted by: Mr. Estrada at January 18, 2013 04:22 PM (aLyv3)

54

If we can't win, then why don't we stop playing the fucking game.

Shut the bitch down.

Posted by: imp at January 18, 2013 04:22 PM (UaxA0)

55 Question: What is the Dem excuse for not passing a budget?

How the hell does the GOP not successfully make an issue of this? Has this been common for years but it was never mentioned before? What is the awesome explanation that made the GOP and conservatives just drop the issue? Please help a brotha out....

Posted by: CJ at January 18, 2013 04:23 PM (9KqcB)

56 What will the abnormally small do about changing their light bulbs if we keep raising the ceiling?
Posted by: Hank Johnson
Let BCochrane inside Alextopia?

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at January 18, 2013 04:23 PM (0WLla)

57 and a budget that's obviously commensurate with revenue, eh?

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at January 18, 2013 04:23 PM (QxSug)

58 allumer la mčche

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 18, 2013 04:23 PM (GVxQo)

59 OK, so it is official. There is no reason to vote for a Republican as they make no effort to differentiate themselves or to stand up for the principles we sent them to defend. We saw that with Romney, the father of the individual mandate, being selected as the Republican nominee for president and we see it with the willingness to allow the country to be bankrupted without even putting up a fight. This is exactly why people stayed home in droves in the last election.

The only question remaining is what replaces the Republican party now that it officially just the fluffer used to get partisan Democrats hard?

Posted by: Voluble at January 18, 2013 04:23 PM (qYvEa)

60 Speaking of lightbulbs, I sure wish the GOP could tack on a repeal of the ban on incandescent bulbs on one of these deals. Give us SOMETHING concrete to view as progress.

Posted by: Serious Cat at January 18, 2013 04:23 PM (UypUQ)

61 So if the Senate does pass a budget, what do we win?


Legality?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 18, 2013 04:24 PM (GFM2b)

62 Yeah, in three months ITRLTL* the media will have to spin how Boehner demanding the Senate pass a budget, any budget, before the debt ceiling will be extended is "obstruction". That's a tall order even for them.

The media has already been pushing the meme that the debt ceiling is a fictional, unnecessary construct that we shouldn't even have. So they'll blame the Republicans for endangering the country's economy by demanding to impose an unnecessary, useless debt ceiling, blah, blah, blah.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 18, 2013 04:24 PM (4df7R)

63 //I'm just done with it, it's the same thing every time, give in now and
we'll get 'em next time, every time. Does no one remember all the
assurances of how republicans now had the upper hand after giving in to
the tax hikes? And how we'd get all we wanted after we separated the tax
hikes from the spending? And yet here we are, once again saying gee,
guess we can't get anything after all so let's once again give in now
and we'll get ' em next time. Done. With. It.//

See, this is what I'm talking about. Let the GOP burn. I can't think of a single reason why I should support them.

Posted by: Mr. Estrada at January 18, 2013 04:24 PM (aLyv3)

64 Question: What is the Dem excuse for not passing a budget?

Absolutely no voters outside a few Washington-watchers care.

Not passing a budget has had no consequences that anybody can see.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 18, 2013 04:25 PM (TpXEI)

65 Yeah, in three months ITRLTL* the media will have to spin how Boehner
demanding the Senate pass a budget, any budget, before the debt ceiling
will be extended is "obstruction". That's a tall order even for them.


Yeah, so tall an order they're doing it now.

That's what so frustrating here. Basically, Republicans are saying that they can't win this fight *now* but just trust them and they'll be able to win it in 3 months. Nothing will have changed, except the date, of course, but they'll suddenly be able to win *then*.

Bullshit. Either they can win now, or they can't win. But to know one way or the other they'd actually have to fight- and they won't do that.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 18, 2013 04:25 PM (/eBe8)

66 Well, our society is, sure, but the Republican Party
isn't. The Republican Party is still everyone's focus of attention.
Everyone's talking about how we can "turn the GOP around," or get them
to stand up to Obama on this thing or that thing, arguing about which
"hill" they should actually make a stand on. Nothing every changes.


Posted by: Mr. Estrada at January 18, 2013 04:22 PM

Sadly sir, I find no fault in your argument

Posted by: kbdabear at January 18, 2013 04:25 PM (wwsoB)

67 Isn't a budget another name for a parakeet?

Posted by: low nfo voter at January 18, 2013 04:25 PM (mETGQ)

68 >>>So if the Senate does pass a budget, what do we win?

One of two things.
Fiscal Responsibility.
Documented irrefutable proof of NO fiscal responsibility.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Back From Beyond at January 18, 2013 04:25 PM (0q2P7)

69 The Repubs in the House need to introduce a bill to have all revenue held in escrow until the Senate passes a fucking budget.

Posted by: garrett at January 18, 2013 04:25 PM (pjKE/)

70 Really,it doesn't make any difference what the Republicans do, they will get the blame anyway so ... Let It Burn...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at January 18, 2013 04:25 PM (9+ccr)

71 30 We tried the more radical road with Gingrich--it didn't work.
We lost--Big Time.


We got budget cuts, welfare reform...and the closest thing to fiscal sanity that we've seen in a long time.
All of which Clinton took credit for.

But we also got a Republican win for the presidency in 2000.

What we need...is a new drumbeat, a new slogan to use to help the R's in Congress find their backbone.

Such as:
It took shutting down the government to give Clinton his 'Surplus'.

Posted by: wheatie at January 18, 2013 04:26 PM (fH4X9)

72 //The only question remaining is what replaces the Republican party now
that it officially just the fluffer used to get partisan Democrats hard?//

The Libertarian Party. It's already the country's third largest party.

Posted by: Mr. Estrada at January 18, 2013 04:26 PM (aLyv3)

73 Documented irrefutable proof of NO fiscal responsibility.

Documents which will promptly be stuffed down Sandy Burger's pants.

Posted by: Vizzini at January 18, 2013 04:27 PM (O7Q1u)

74 the bloodhound gang:

The roof the roof the roof is on fire
The roof the roof the roof is on fire
The roof the roof the roof is on fire
We don't need no water let the motherfucker burn
Burn motherfucker burn

Hello my name is Jimmy Pop and I'm a dumb white guy
I'm not old or new but middle school, fifth grade like junior high
I don't know mofo' if y'all peeps be buggin' give props to my ho 'cause she fly
But I can take the heat 'cause I'm the other white meat known as Kid Funky Fry
Yeah I'm hung like planet Pluto hard to see with the naked eye
But if I crashed into Uranus I would stick it where the sun don't shine
'Cause I'm kind of like Han Solo always strokin' my own wookie
I'm the root of all that's evil yeah but you can call me Cookie

The roof the roof the roof is on fire
The roof the roof the roof is on fire
The roof the roof the roof is on fire
We don't need no water let the motherfucker burn
Burn motherfucker burn

Yo yo this hardcore ghetto gangster image takes a lot of practice
I'm not black like Barry White no I am white like Frank Black is,
So if man is five and the Devil is six than that must make me seven
This honkey's gone to heaven
But if I go to hell well then I hope I burn well
I'll spend my days with J.F.K., Marvin Gaye, Martha Raye, and Lawrence Welk
And Kurt Cobain, Kojak, Mark Twain and Jimmy Hendrix' poltergeist
And Webster yeah Emmanuel Lewis cuz he's the anti-christ

The roof the roof the roof is on fire
The roof the roof the roof is on fire
The roof the roof the roof is on fire
We don't need no water let the motherfucker burn
Burn motherfucker burn

Everybody here we go
Ohh Ohh
C'mon party people
Ohh Ohh
Throw your hands in the air
Ohh Ohh
C'mon party people
Ohh Ohh
Wave 'em like you don't care
Ohh Ohh
C'mon party people
Ooo Ooo
Everbody say ho
Ohh Ohh
C'mon party people
Ohh Ohh
Everybody here we go

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 18, 2013 04:27 PM (GVxQo)

75 There's no excuse why the House and Senate can't negotiate a bipartisan budget. A budget is not only a fiscal roadmap, but a statement about goals and priorities. In this respect, I agree with Boehner: America needs a budget.

Posted by: Jordan at January 18, 2013 04:27 PM (Hz1zc)

76 See, this is what I'm talking about. Let the GOP burn. I can't think of a single reason why I should support them.

Then don't, but spare us your morally superior proselytizing. It's beyond boring.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 18, 2013 04:27 PM (/eBe8)

77 What in the blue hell happened with the spacing in that comment.

I AM SULEMAN BELLO, THE AUDITOR GENERAL OF AFRICAN DEVELOPMENT BANK HERE IN BURKINA FASO. DURING THE COURSE OF OUR AUDITING, I DISCOVERED A FLOATING FUND IN AN ACCOUNT OPENED IN THE BANK BY MR JOHN KOROVO AND AFTER GOING THROUGH SOME OLD FILES IN THE RECORDS I DISCOVERED THAT THE OWNER OF THE ACCOUNT DIED IN THE (BEIRUT-BOUND CHARTER JET) PLANE CRASH ON THE 25TH DECEMBER 2003 IN COTONOU (REPUBLIC OF BENIN). IN ORDER TO RECLAIM YOUR SPACING AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS PLEASE E-MAIL ME.

Posted by: MR SULEMAN BELLO at January 18, 2013 04:27 PM (feFL6)

78 Cantor and Ryan need to film a 30-second spot with their plan and show it on Entertainment Tonight.

Sure, it may not change the outcome of this "crisis" but they have to start fighting battles if they ever want to win the war.

BTW don't you think this will be the next "crisis" TFG announces in his coronation speech?

Posted by: PJ at January 18, 2013 04:27 PM (ZWaLo)

79 >>>The only question remaining is what replaces the Republican party now that it officially just the fluffer used to get partisan Democrats hard?

You get together with a bunch of like minded friends and collect votes, committments to vote, etc for a specified candidate or party of your choosing. People like you do this all over the usa. We get together and compare notes in 2 years.

Posted by: Bigby's 2 Fingers of Gin at January 18, 2013 04:27 PM (3ZtZW)

80 We need someone to tell us again how this is the true cons, socons, and far right's fault.


Volunteers?

Posted by: Kinley Ardal, bad at Spanish at January 18, 2013 04:27 PM (5jXLv)

81 ~ tap tap tap tap tap ~

yes of course Hadji wants the damage waiver of insurance. Hadji - he goes where eagles dare, if you are aware of my talking about, and I am quite certain that you .... wait, is that Hadji's voice? This microphone? It is on? Yes?

And so,

Hello! It is I, Hadji, The Funny Man Just Back from Afghanistan! Why Afghanistan? Hadji was entertaining the troops.

Hadji played dead and Hadji let the soldiers make urine on him. As in the papers. Only it was with consensus.

It is important to add this point: No homo.

Now for the joke you have all been waiting for Hadji to make. Prepare your ha-ha's.

How is Senator Reid like the Kardashian Whores?
Neither has a budget

What is black and white and red all over?
The budget proposed by President Obama.

President Obama, Harry Reid, and John Boehner walk into the bar ... the bartender? He looks at them, rubs his eyes, then he looks at them again.

The bar tender? He pinches himself to see if it is true that these men are upon his bar. It is true.

The bartender? He say 'fuck off - the bar is closed'

Hadji, he can go 'blue' as they say. Blue like Bob Saget, inshallah.

Thank you thank you thank you!

Hadji would like you remember the minimum for drinks is three less than the number of times you should pray towards Mecca to be spared and that the waitresses require tips to buy their sexy, sexy things.

-

Posted by: Hadji the Muslim Comic at January 18, 2013 04:28 PM (RuUvx)

82 the budget is not a parrot it's a rental car agency

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 18, 2013 04:28 PM (GVxQo)

83 "the media will ignore it, because they are no longer hiding the fact
that they're Democrats and working for Reid, Pelosi, and Obama."

That's backwards.

Posted by: Links at January 18, 2013 04:28 PM (RgIRJ)

84 Matty Yglesias today tweeted this gem of idiocy;

Matt Yglesias ‏@mattyglesias

How many of the people who think debt is irresponsible per se have mortgages? Do they know what mortgages are?


Posted by: kbdabear at January 18, 2013 04:28 PM (wwsoB)

85 We also got Clinton policies on terrorism which ignored the Kobar Tower findings, the USS Cole, the attacks on the US embassies in Tanzania and Kenya--

IOW --9/11.

I don't think his non responses were worth the fall out.

Posted by: tasker at January 18, 2013 04:28 PM (r2PLg)

86 36 SIDEBAR: Stephen Colbert to Run for Congress
His sister is running, not him.
Posted by: CJ at January 18, 2013 04:20 PM (9KqcB)


Is her name Stephen?

Posted by: Cricket at January 18, 2013 04:29 PM (DrC22)

87 http://imdb.to/U7cdRz

It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia: The Gang Gives Back

Wifey had this on a moment ago. If you hate laughing, don't watch it.

Posted by: sTevo at January 18, 2013 04:29 PM (VMcEw)

88 THe only play left is to remind the hell out of everyone--



the Senate is held by a--



DEMOCRAT MAJORITY.



Drive that the hell home.


HOW??

Every time someone pointed this out, the INSTANT response was, "Well, the Repukes are being obstructionist. If they hadn't held up all our super-cereally neat-o ideas, we wouldn't be in this mess."

Then everyone nodded their heads sagely and nobody refuted the statement. Nobody cares!

Posted by: bonhomme at January 18, 2013 04:29 PM (8ifMA)

89 The Presidency is a powerful thing to do a sacrifice fly on and--in matters of foreign policy The Presidency is almost all powerful.

Posted by: tasker at January 18, 2013 04:30 PM (r2PLg)

90 Matt Yglesias ţ@mattyglesiasHow many of the people who think debt is irresponsible per se have mortgages? Do they know what mortgages are?
Posted by: kbdabear at January 18, 2013 04:28 PM (wwsoB)


O. M. G.

Jesus H. Christ. Just when I thought he couldn't be any more stupid.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 18, 2013 04:30 PM (4df7R)

91
1) Krauthammer used to be pretty good but he's gone downhill really far and fast. About 75% of what he says nowadays is really dumbass bullshit.

2) Limbaugh steals lots of stuff from here and I can only remember once with attribution. He also steals lots of stuff from other sites too, without attribution.

I rarely listen to Rush anymore because he's like a broken record and Krauthammer, for the most part, is a total jackass.

Not too long ago I thought both of them were great.

Posted by: Ed Anger at January 18, 2013 04:31 PM (tOkJB)

92 Posted by: Voluble at January 18, 2013 04:23 PM (qYvEa)

No Conservative think tanks were the father of Individual mandates.

Posted by: Jack Frost at January 18, 2013 04:31 PM (trh5+)

93 >>>That's what so frustrating here. Basically, Republicans are saying that
they can't win this fight *now* but just trust them and they'll be able
to win it in 3 months. Nothing will have changed, except the date, of
course, but they'll suddenly be able to win *then*.

Hopefully what they are doing is making the next ceiling raise part of this bill automatically raising the ceiling when the Senate passes a budget. Which makes it harder to blame Republicans when the ceiling is reached.

The problem is the Senate has to sign off on this. Boehner would have to squeeze the requirement through the Senate now. And the Senate won't want too. Otherwise, you're right, just more words.

Maybe Boehner is ready to go to the mat on this one. HAHAHA! I made myself laugh.

Their is an outside chance Boehner can get this. There something only a little funny.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Back From Beyond at January 18, 2013 04:31 PM (0q2P7)

94 Just wondering if since the government did not pass a budget am I free to not pay taxes?

Not until the IRS drones checks bounce. Not one second before then.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 18, 2013 04:31 PM (8ifMA)

95 Obama didn't poke me in the hole like "Lance" Armstrong did to that SI guy. Although I kinda wish he did, because I wanna be soft but Al isn't too hard, IYKWIM

Posted by: Andrea Mitchell at January 18, 2013 04:32 PM (DrC22)

96 //Then don't,//

Oh, don't worry. I won't.

//but spare us your morally superior proselytizing.//

Hell no. I fap to my own morally superior proselytizing.

//It's beyond boring.//

Well, just don't respond to it then. If you're responding to it, it can't be that boring.

Posted by: Mr. Estrada at January 18, 2013 04:32 PM (aLyv3)

97 The continuing of RIFT by Clinton and the ops tempo sustained despite it all sent plenty of the critically manned fields of the military through the meat grinder.

Clinton was not as benign as you think he was.

Plus Rwanda--not that anyone cares anymore.

Posted by: tasker at January 18, 2013 04:32 PM (r2PLg)

98 Sure they will Boehner sure they will....

*spoiler*


I've seen the movie Hairy Reed will yank the football in 3 months.


Posted by: sven10077 at January 18, 2013 04:32 PM (LRFds)

99 See, this is what I'm talking about. Let the GOP burn. I can't think of a single reason why I should support them.

Yeah, i've already decided to vote libertarian, voting for republicans is the real way to throw your vote away these days.

Posted by: booger at January 18, 2013 04:32 PM (HI6wa)

100 Matt Yglesias ţ@mattyglesiasHow many of the people who think debt is
irresponsible per se have mortgages? Do they know what mortgages are?

Posted by: kbdabear at January 18, 2013 04:28 PM (wwsoB)


WHAT. THE. ****.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal, bad at Spanish at January 18, 2013 04:32 PM (5jXLv)

101 No Conservative think tanks were the father of Individual mandates.

In Alextopia, we'll all have individual manatees.

Posted by: Vizzini at January 18, 2013 04:33 PM (O7Q1u)

102 >>>That's what so frustrating here. Basically, Republicans are saying that they can't win this fight *now* but just trust them

Pull my finger

Posted by: Bigby's Index Finger at January 18, 2013 04:33 PM (3ZtZW)

103 Krauthammer is devolving to the level of Brooks, Frum and Kathleen SpitzerParker.


Posted by: ontherocks at January 18, 2013 04:33 PM (aZ6ew)

104 It is important to add this point: No homo.


I lol'd.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at January 18, 2013 04:33 PM (ZKzrr)

105 9 Allen G,

That's just silly Talk!

The GOP needs to answer every show on the M$M they make with a stern warning that the President and Senate will meet their duty by law in 3 month or they will shut it down for as long as it takes so start saving America.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 18, 2013 04:34 PM (LRFds)

106 90 Matt Yglesias ţ@mattyglesiasHow many of the people who think debt is irresponsible per se have mortgages? Do they know what mortgages are?
Posted by: kbdabear at January 18, 2013 04:28 PM (wwsoB)


Most of his readers probably have extraordinary credit card debt and pay the minimum while applying for more credit cards. Has he ever heard of bankruptcy?

Posted by: Jack Frost at January 18, 2013 04:34 PM (trh5+)

107 I don't remember who, but an R put out a statement today for the GOP house not to fund pay to congress until a budget is passed. No temporary or permanent increase to the debt ceiling until a budget is passed.

Posted by: Cheri at January 18, 2013 04:34 PM (G+Wff)

108 93 Mike The Moose,

I can't wait until Ogabe is flexible enough to burn the Original Bill of Rights.....

will that be "the Hill?"

Posted by: sven10077 at January 18, 2013 04:35 PM (LRFds)

109 mikethemoose

that is what the republican national committee said to me right after the election when they called and thanked me for sending them money in the past and asked for more.....(i hadn't sent them money since gwb's 2nd term, i gave and gave and gave to the romney campaign)

in the conversation they said "we need money so we can fight!" i told them the time to fight was before the election....and that i was done with them.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 18, 2013 04:35 PM (GVxQo)

110
House GOP Will Pass Three Month Debt-Ceiling Hike




"The far right, beacuse it refuses to work with their Republican colleagues on a compromise, will once again have impelled final legislation that is further to the left than would otherwise be the case."


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 18, 2013 04:35 PM (kdS6q)

111 What a bunch of pussies. Is that the farthest you can kick that can down the road? We really need to fire these idiots and start over.

Posted by: RoadRunner at January 18, 2013 04:35 PM (3LD8A)

112 //Yeah, i've already decided to vote libertarian, voting for republicans is the real way to throw your vote away these days.//

Oh, good.

See, now, here's a guy who doesn't find my morally superior proselytizing so boring.

Posted by: Mr. Estrada at January 18, 2013 04:35 PM (aLyv3)

113 Off damn troll sock.

Posted by: Sebastion Melmoth at January 18, 2013 04:35 PM (trh5+)

114 60 --- "Speaking of lightbulbs, I sure wish the GOP could tack on a repeal of the ban on incandescent bulbs on one of these deals. Give us SOMETHING concrete to view as progress."
Posted by: Serious Cat at January 18, 2013 04:23 PM (UypUQ)

This.
Throw us just a little bone.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 18, 2013 04:35 PM (C8mVl)

115 the donk excuse for not passing a budget? The same as for what is obamanomics and what is obamadoctrine...shut up, that's what.

What do we win? We win a little financial sanity. At least there's a line in the sand. At least we know what's being spent on what instead of obama's stash.

it's not much, but you may have missed nov. 2012, we got our ass handed to us.*

* in fact, more blue dnk house votes than red gop house votes and since there's no such thing as blue precinct ballot box stuffing, that's a biggish deal too.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at January 18, 2013 04:35 PM (QxSug)

116 97 Tasker,

Genocide is only a sin on America's soul when there is an (-r) ELEVENTY!

Posted by: sven10077 at January 18, 2013 04:36 PM (LRFds)

117
Not passing a budget has had no consequences that anybody can see.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 18, 2013 04:25 PM (TpXEI)---------
Exactly. In fact, the entirety of the regime hasn't had consequences to most voter---that they are aware of.

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 18, 2013 04:36 PM (MPjT8)

118
103 Krauthammer is devolving to the level of Brooks, Frum and Kathleen SpitzerParker.

Yep.

Posted by: Ed Anger at January 18, 2013 04:36 PM (tOkJB)

119 Nobody *needs* trillions of dollars to waste on welfare spending

Posted by: Bigby's Index Finger at January 18, 2013 04:36 PM (3ZtZW)

120 These Congressional Republicans really need to read "Peanuts" more. It's not like the end results of these deals are hard to predict.

Posted by: Max Entropy at January 18, 2013 04:36 PM (L4cv4)

121
The demotards have only two strategies:

Hope for booming economic growth by raising taxes on 2% of the population and regulating the shit out of 1/6th of the economy.

OR

Hope this doesn't crash until the next president is elected.

Which do you think they are seriously using?

Posted by: MJ at January 18, 2013 04:37 PM (vl5mg)

122 Someone should file for a Writ of Mandamus requiring Reid to introduce a budget, if he refuses he's in contempt. Now THAT would be hardball

Posted by: BSR: Live from Falls Church at January 18, 2013 04:37 PM (CBCxo)

123 Fiscal Cliff, scary as hell.

Debt Ceiling, sky's the limit.

Messaging problem, noted.

Posted by: 13times at January 18, 2013 04:38 PM (h6XiD)

124 Krauthammer is devolving to the level of Brooks, Frum and Kathleen SpitzerParker.

More like Foster Brooks.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 18, 2013 04:38 PM (GFM2b)

125
"Speaking of lightbulbs, I sure wish the GOP could tack on a repeal of the ban on incandescent bulbs on one of these deals. Give us SOMETHING concrete to view as progress."
Posted by: Serious Cat at January 18, 2013 04:23 PM (UypUQ)


This.
Throw us just a little bone.
Posted by: Margarita DeVille
When it comes to the bone, we give and we take.

Posted by: The Upton Family at January 18, 2013 04:38 PM (0WLla)

126
Therefore, lets throw a match on this gas can of an economy and watch it burn sooner rather than later.

Posted by: MJ at January 18, 2013 04:38 PM (vl5mg)

127 >>>Matt Yglesias ţ@mattyglesiasHow many of the people who think debt is
irresponsible per se have mortgages? Do they know what mortgages are?

Layers...
so many Layers of stupid.

Mortgages are tied to physical property that acts as collateral to the loan. Ideally that collateral at any given time is worth almost as much or more than the amount of the Mortgage.
Mortgages REPLACE the need to pay rent. So having a large $ in principal and interest compared to your annual salary tied up in one is not necessarily bad.
Mortgages will normally not be given to somebody who already has recurring financial obligations that outstrips his income.

A mortgage is NOT the national debt. The national debt is a credit card. How about having a years gross salary tied up credit card debt?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Back From Beyond at January 18, 2013 04:38 PM (0q2P7)

128 100 Kinley Ardal,

The retard Julio Yglesias is trying to say barry is selling a 17 trillion buck house....

I'd rather more liken it to he is selling America a 17 trillion dollar invisible ethereal bridge.

If Matt is correct there is a generation of "Americans" in some future epoch who have one hell of a bill to work off.

Economics?

How the fuck does that work?

Matt Y if I get the power to print my own money I will consider your point valid sir.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 18, 2013 04:38 PM (LRFds)

129 so tell me again, pretend I'm the average voter, tell me why I should vote Republican in 2014

Posted by: soothsayer at January 18, 2013 04:15 PM (zwqd/)


To spite some perpetually pissy internet tough guys.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 18, 2013 04:39 PM (T0NGe)

130
So the whole gadget-play is really an effort to drum up media interest -- the media absolutely refuses to cover why a law demanding a budget has been ignored four years running.

The GOP needs to get some message discipline. If they say
WE WILL SHUTDOWN THE GOVERNMENT ON XXX DAY UNLESS A BUDGET IS PASSED!
every day for the next three months, the message will get out. EVERY GOP idiot on Depress the Meet, Fellate the nation, This Week with a Marxist Idiot, etc. should say this as part of his introductory statement.

We can work arond the MSM, but it takes brains and discipline.

Posted by: rd at January 18, 2013 04:39 PM (zLp5I)

131 127 Mike the Mosse,

I handed him his ass so hard on Twitter it made the Washington Monument grow about twenty feet taller.

He's an unapologetic marxist

Posted by: sven10077 at January 18, 2013 04:39 PM (LRFds)

132 michael ramirez's cartoon:

link to ibd http://tinyurl.com/8sbtjz8

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 18, 2013 04:39 PM (GVxQo)

133 I like Krauthammer's strategy because it's realistic.

Successful politics involves negotiation. And we suck at it.

We constantly overreach based on emotional impulses, then take it in the neck after realizing.

Many Republicans don't know what a reasonable, yet achievable demand is.

You don't have to wholly sacrifice principle to slightly move the meter or slowly work towards a strategy of winning. You can do so in a manner that may be frustrating or perhaps tangentially violate principle.

But what counts is if you win in the end. Then you negotiate from strength.

This bullshit that if you sacrifice anything you lose is nonsense. It;s pablum from someone who probably never negotiated a cookie from their mother. It's an emotional response to an intellectual issue and therefore has fail written all over it.

Posted by: marcus at January 18, 2013 04:40 PM (GGCsk)

134 We can work arond the MSM, but it takes brains and discipline.



Posted by: rd at January 18, 2013 04:39 PM (zLp5I)

There in lies the problem...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at January 18, 2013 04:40 PM (9+ccr)

135
I have the Kung Fu series on DVD.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 18, 2013 04:40 PM (p/cQy)

136 129 Amish dude,

to keep them from having the power to prevent us from preparing is my best answer now....

you got a better one amigo?

They are not engaging in defending any form of fiscal restraint, or conservatism I recognize other than Rockerfellerian.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 18, 2013 04:40 PM (LRFds)

137
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Back From Beyond at January 18, 2013 04:38 PM (0q2P7)


Also, mortgages end.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at January 18, 2013 04:40 PM (0WLla)

138 when your opponent is Hard............be Harder


( is the quote you are looking for )

Posted by: open the pod bay doors, HAL at January 18, 2013 04:41 PM (Dll6b)

139 134 Donna V,

Yup we have to control the locals and states where their power is not so unified.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 18, 2013 04:41 PM (LRFds)

140 22 THats nearly impossible.The populace is infested with fucking idiots.


I was arguing with this guy at the bar a few months ago(7/),college educated,works for town government,and he was absolutely positive that Repubs ran the Senate!

I was mortified at it was someone who I respected,as far as opinions on the left go any way.The people of this country are too fucking stupid to remain free.It is literally that simple.The communists in our eduction system have done thier job exceedingly well.

Posted by: Vae Victus at January 18, 2013 04:41 PM (cpMdE)

141 "The far right, beacuse it refuses to work with their Republican colleagues on a compromise, will once again have impelled final legislation that is further to the left than would otherwise be the case."

This was true with regard to the fiscal cliff negotions in which the "grand bargain" was rejected in favor of a smaller kick the can deal, but I don't think it applies here. We all knew the debt ceiling would be raised, one way or another.

Posted by: Jordan at January 18, 2013 04:42 PM (Hz1zc)

142 That's what so frustrating here. Basically, Republicans are saying that
they can't win this fight *now* but just trust them and they'll be able
to win it in 3 months. Nothing will have changed, except the date, of
course, but they'll suddenly be able to win *then*.


Yes, it's frustrating, but that doesn't mean they're wrong.


Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 18, 2013 04:42 PM (SY2Kh)

143 vote Republican in 2014 : It's the Lesser of Two Weevils


--shout out to 'Master and Commander'

Posted by: open the pod bay doors, HAL at January 18, 2013 04:43 PM (Dll6b)

144 97...Clinton was not as benign as you think he was.

Who is saying he was benign? ....Certainly not me.

Clinton was an encourageable liar, who hated our military and weakened them...leading to the events you mentioned upthread.

He also shamelessly took credit for everything good that happened during his term...that happened in spite of his own efforts to sabotage them.

I despise Clinton as much as I do Barky.

But I think that we are in a totally different set of circumstances now...than the ones that existed during the time when Clinton shut down the government and blamed it on Gingrich.

The economy was better...gas was in the $1.50 range, people had jobs...and people weren't faced with sticker shock at the grocery stores.

Unlike the mid-1990's, People are pinching their pennies now...and having to cut back on their spending.
I think there is a lot of support out there for Spending Cuts in DC, despite what the DNCmedia is saying.

Posted by: wheatie at January 18, 2013 04:43 PM (fH4X9)

145 Do they know what mortgages are?>>

Yes those things that get you a foreclosure notice if you get one to big for your revenue stream.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 18, 2013 04:43 PM (81UWZ)

146 Dear John Boehner:

Hope is not a strategy. Based on your past record of success, you have no chance of success.

Sincerely,
Former GOP member.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at January 18, 2013 04:43 PM (pDRpv)

147 75 There's no excuse why the House and Senate can't negotiate a bipartisan budget. A budget is not only a fiscal roadmap, but a statement about goals and priorities. In this respect, I agree with Boehner: America needs a budget.
Posted by: Jordan at January 18, 2013 04:27 PM (Hz1zc)

Fuck you and your "bipartisan" budget

Posted by: Mr Pink at January 18, 2013 04:44 PM (dE51v)

148 133 Marcus,

Okay you negotiate with MomJeans and have LiV see that you had the better plan and "won."

Quick describe what that looks like to me, because I can't see it.

I can't imagine Ogabe "compromising" on his gun shit, or on his faster than ever before spending.

Do help me understand sir?

I mean we are ALREADY destroying the military so what do we give up to get him to act in "good faith?"

The Tax Code?

We're well on our way Envy is gaining steam as tax basis here since the rate change is just about meaningless as a real answer.

Help me help you show me.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 18, 2013 04:44 PM (LRFds)

149 GOP 2014: We're not half the assholes we used to be since we got rid of those TruCons, SoCons, FiCons, and KAAAHHHNNNN

/sorry got carried away

Posted by: Bigby's Hairy Palms at January 18, 2013 04:45 PM (3ZtZW)

150 Quoting "Red" Limbaugh: "I wish I could say that the GOP fought the good fight and the MSM
Sisters let them be ... I wish I could say that ... but Washington is no
fairy tail world."

Either you meant "fairy tale" or pulled off the most subtle ghey joke evah!

Posted by: Mr_Write at January 18, 2013 04:45 PM (CLkAH)

151 147 Mr Pink,

Whoredan's "bi-partisan budget" is defense zero unless it is attacking the right's interests and a whole lot of socialist spending.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 18, 2013 04:45 PM (LRFds)

152 Yes, it's frustrating, but that doesn't mean they're wrong.

Yeah, actually it does. If they are incapable of winning now, nothing significant will have changed in the next 3 months- they'll be incapable of winning then, too.

Moreover, everything they're saying will be in their favor should, in theory, be in their favor now. We haven't had a budget in 4 fucking years. Every time the debt limit came up, or it was time for a new CR, Republicans claimed that "next time" would be the time to be willing to shut down the government, because "this time" they would take the blame for the shut down, but by some magical process they wouldn't "next time."

No. They're more concerned about taking the blame for doing what is right than they are about doing what they were elected to do. They won't fight this time, and they won't fight next time either.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 18, 2013 04:46 PM (/eBe8)

153 143 vote Republican in 2014 : It's the Lesser of Two Weevils--shout out to 'Master and Commander'
Too bad we can't give a cannonball to "Jonah" Boehner.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at January 18, 2013 04:46 PM (pDRpv)

154 I will most likely be voting Republican next time around.I'm not happy about that, but third party right now looks like a real loser. I did however change my party to Independent from Republican.. Not much of a rebellion, but the best I can do for now...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at January 18, 2013 04:47 PM (9+ccr)

155 You have to start with knowing what a realistic, achievable goal is. That way, at least you can determine a stretch goal and when your opponent tries to sell you short.

You want to push harder? You need to know where your driving.

The problem with our party is that people have no idea what's realistic. That's not only people outside the party. It's the so-called leaders.

I have also never seen any organization less adept at communication. Holy cow, there is no good singular spokesman.

Why doesn't the party have someone to directly offset that know-nothins, assclown Carney?

Honestly guys, this isn't quantum psychics.

Posted by: marcus at January 18, 2013 04:47 PM (GGCsk)

156 Pfft...Pubs down to haggling for just a few more days supply of crack with crack addicts. Just one more toke and they'll out down the pipe...for real this time....no joke, really.

Enablers is far too nice a term for Republicans at this point.





Posted by: dananjcon at January 18, 2013 04:47 PM (jvd3N)

157 @133
Take another good hard look at the marxists that you are talking about negotiating with.

And then look at the record of what those kinds of incremental gains have gotten the GOP over the last 5 decades.

LIB is not just some tantrum or throwaway line.
We're WAY WAY past the point of a saving series of negotiations.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 18, 2013 04:47 PM (aZ6ew)

158 Also, mortgages end.

Also, every year, you owe less money. Unlike a trillion dollar Federal debt which grows with every year of fiscal malfeasance.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at January 18, 2013 04:48 PM (feFL6)

159 152 Allen G,

The democrats have broken the law 4 fucking years because they are addicted to that panic baseline......

the goddamned porkulus is baked in the cake...

Posted by: sven10077 at January 18, 2013 04:48 PM (LRFds)

160 158 SC,

why it is almost like it is pap designed not for us but retards if coffee shops!

which it is....

Posted by: sven10077 at January 18, 2013 04:48 PM (LRFds)

161 "153 143 vote Republican in 2014 : It's the Lesser of Two Weevils--shout out to 'Master and Commander'
Too bad we can't give a cannonball to "Jonah" Boehner."

Check out the series of books by Patrick O'Brian, in my view, the finest series of historical novels ever written.

Posted by: Jordan at January 18, 2013 04:48 PM (Hz1zc)

162 @152

I think the phrase you need get used to is: "THANK YOU SIR! MAY I HAVE ANOTHER!"

-- shout out to Animal House

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at January 18, 2013 04:48 PM (pDRpv)

163 The GOP needs to get some message discipline. If they say WE WILL SHUTDOWN THE GOVERNMENT ON XXX DAY UNLESS A BUDGET IS PASSED! every day for the next three months, the message will get out.

Politically, that would be stupid.

You don't threaten to do something extremely unpopular, then expect to place the blame on your opponent when you follow through.

What you do is insist that "No, we would never ever try to force a shutdown". Then you force a shutdown.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 18, 2013 04:49 PM (SY2Kh)

164
nothing significant will have changed in the next 3 months
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther)





Well, the Republicans excuse will change from "it's too soon after the last election to do anything" to "it's too close to the next election to do anything."

So, that's something.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 18, 2013 04:50 PM (kdS6q)

165 >>>They won't fight this time, and they won't fight next time either.

OK should we be mailing chicken feathers to Congress? I'll chip in for a small tub of tar if you want to get all freaky

Posted by: Bigby's Hairy Palms at January 18, 2013 04:50 PM (3ZtZW)

166 155 Marcus,

I ran a series of charts on Twatter bud....

Barky ran up the bill faster than anyone ever inarguably....

Barky says "I cut the deficit but all that spending was Bush's" an outright retarded lie...but F$A ate it up.

There is no negotiation let it burn.

Fuck him, fuck them, take the hit and start over.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 18, 2013 04:50 PM (LRFds)

167 Important to note that there is a huge difference between recommendations and the real budget. All the senate and WHO can do is make recommendations. The real budget can only originate in the House. Period. This is defined in the Constitution. Like it or not, according to the constitution, the House has absolute control over the purse. All they have to do is pass a sensible budget. If the senate or WH chooses to reject it, that's their decision and they will be the ones choosing to turn the lights out. Fuck them. When a kid starts rolling around on the ground screaming because you won't buy him some super expensive thing what is the best way to respond?

Posted by: Andrew at January 18, 2013 04:50 PM (KTSbM)

168 What you do is insist that "No, we would never ever try to force a shutdown". Then you force a shutdown.

Fine. But they have to show some willingness to do that. The Republicans always seem to think next time will be the time to force a shutdown.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 18, 2013 04:50 PM (/eBe8)

169 >>>I think the phrase you need get used to is: "THANK YOU SIR! MAY I HAVE ANOTHER!"



Right now the big selling point of Republicans over Democrats is not what's going to happen it's lube and pillowtalk.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Back From Beyond at January 18, 2013 04:51 PM (0q2P7)

170 >Posted by: sven10077 at January 18, 2013 04:44 PM (LRFds)
<

Pick you wins carefully sir.

This isn't an all or nothing singular strategy.

There are many issues in play. Links them and trade them.

For example, Republicans are finally moving to link issues in order to pass a budget. It's the Achilles Heel of this spending problems.

Gee, why did Reid and Obama NOT pass a budget for four years?

Cripes, its as plain as the nose on your face.

People get the budget issue. They understand it. Play that like a Stradivarius.

Posted by: marcus at January 18, 2013 04:51 PM (GGCsk)

171 OK should we be mailing chicken feathers to Congress? I'll chip in for a small tub of tar if you want to get all freaky

I'm fer it.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 18, 2013 04:51 PM (/eBe8)

172 154 I will most likely be voting Republican next time around.I'm not happy about that, but third party right now looks like a real loser. I did however change my party to Independent from Republican.. Not much of a rebellion, but the best I can do for now...
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at January 18, 2013 04:47 PM (9+ccr)

So how is a 'loser' third party different from the 'loser' GOP? Isn't the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over, yet hoping for a different outcome?

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at January 18, 2013 04:51 PM (pDRpv)

173 What you do is insist that "No, we would never ever try to force a shutdown". Then you force a shutdown.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 18, 2013 04:49 PM (SY2Kh)


Hollowpoint for RNC Chair!!!

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 18, 2013 04:52 PM (rAdia)

174 167 Andrew,

if we were a Constitutional republic with a Senate and President beholden to law and tradition you would be correct sir.

Where is this America you speak of because brother it ain't here.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 18, 2013 04:52 PM (LRFds)

175 Enablers is far too nice a term for Republicans at this point.

"Quislings" strikes me as appropriate.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Meadow Party 2016 at January 18, 2013 04:52 PM (GBXon)

176
Seriously people, this is part and parcel of the same team, globetrotters and dc generals, dems and repubs foils against each other to keep people from noticing their continued theft.

Always have the other side to blame, keep your phony baloney jobs, enrich your family and friends. Give your buddy that finger to the nose signal from "The Sting".

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 18, 2013 04:52 PM (p/cQy)

177 But still, it was nice to hear sort of the same thing I'd said from Rush.


Posted by: Ace at 04:09 PM

Yeah well some of us aren't as gracious as you Ace. He's mentioned that aptly named hotair blog and given them credit. It's about time he mentioned AOSHQ. Especially if he's going to reach the same conclusions you did on air, after you reached those conclusions online. This happens way too much with all the talking heads out there and it's frustrating.

I didn't hear the program but I'm going to email him anyway. It's about time he talked up the conservative bloggers.

Posted by: Caustic at January 18, 2013 04:54 PM (/b8+5)

178 Betting on the GOP to "win" any negotiation against the Democrats, while still under John Boehner as speaker is like betting on the Washington Generals to win against the Harlem Globetrotters.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 18, 2013 04:54 PM (/eBe8)

179 55 Question: What is the Dem excuse for not passing a budget?

How the hell does the GOP not successfully make an issue of this? Has this been common for years but it was never mentioned before? What is the awesome explanation that made the GOP and conservatives just drop the issue?


I seemingly envision Huey, Louie, and Dewey sequestered in a dark room somewhere saying "hey...you know. This precedent shit is kinda cool. I bet someday the GOP is going to want to go 4 years without pas..."

Posted by: akula51 at January 18, 2013 04:54 PM (YesJa)

180 #163 says, "Politically, that would be stupid.

You don't threaten to do something extremely unpopular, then expect to place the blame on your opponent when you follow through.

What you do is insist that 'No, we would never ever try to force a shutdown'. Then you force a shutdown."

...but, but, but...that would require guile and cunning (two characteristics that Republicans are not known for). Which stinks.

My strategy: The left and the media (bu I repeat myself) are going to blame the Republicans for everything that goes wrong anyway, so the Reps should just let it all burn to the ground. There really is no other solution now, IMHO.

Posted by: Mr_Write at January 18, 2013 04:55 PM (CLkAH)

181 170 marcus,

Were this 1994 were this 1981 were this 2002 I would agree.

The media has changed the game.

Emperor BAMMY creates a wish list that is "the Royal budget" and the house votes on it as does the senate it always fails and thus says the current media does the Emperor then get to force CRs by refusing to force Reed to pass a fucking budget or vote on the real house budget.

They are self-obstructing and we're getting the blame.

Fuck the low information voters let it burn.

They can see if unicorn shit feeds the kids.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 18, 2013 04:55 PM (LRFds)

182 Why doesn't the party have someone to directly offset that know-nothins, assclown Carney?

I used to wonder that myself, not only about that specifically but other things as well and the only conclusion i can come to is that they just don't want to because it's all a scam, that's why they keep kicking the can down the road, gotta keep us chumps thinking they're on our side when they're not. Over and over again i see people wondering why the republicans just don't do this or that and it's pretty obvious that if we've thought of these things then the republican powers that be have also thought about them, yet they never do these things that are so obvious. Why? Because it's a scam.

Posted by: booger at January 18, 2013 04:55 PM (HI6wa)

183 >>>Fine. But they have to show some willingness to do that. The Republicans always seem to think next time will be the time to force a shutdown.

That's because they keep making the tactical error of threatening to do it.

Two rules of dealing with a belligerent.
1. Don't threaten, your belligerent almost always knows what you CAN do which is almost always more than what you will THREATEN to do. Making threats not only makes you appear weak, it takes bargaining chips off your table by placing an upper bounds on your response.
2. For God sakes if you do threaten, follow through.

Say little, demand much, follow through. The dog that barks is scared and doesn't want a fight, the dog that growls is ready for one.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Back From Beyond at January 18, 2013 04:56 PM (0q2P7)

184 2. For God sakes if you do threaten, follow through.

As a parent, I agree with this 100%.
But they haven't shown any signs of doing this, so why should I believe they would do #1?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 18, 2013 04:57 PM (/eBe8)

185 How many of the people who think retardation is bad per se follow Matt Yglesias? Do they know what a retard he is?

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at January 18, 2013 04:58 PM (SzAZ7)

186 >>>The media has changed the game.

Yes indeed. Only reason it ain't worse is becoz even the Dems won't pass some of TFGs crap.
Still on for mailing chicken feathers. Its a start and hopefully my congress a-hole is allergic.

Posted by: Bigby's Hairy Palms at January 18, 2013 04:59 PM (3ZtZW)

187 Screwthe GOP. They are not about limited government. I swear to God I have no purpose for them if they don't fight for fiscal reasponsibility.

Posted by: California Red at January 18, 2013 04:59 PM (cB0VK)

188 When a kid starts rolling around on the ground screaming because you won't buy him some super expensive thing what is the best way to respond?

Well, my mom would have beat my ass like a rented mule.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 18, 2013 05:00 PM (GFM2b)

189 What about this strategy, talked about a bit by conservatives...create your own caucus, saying you won't vote with the Reps unless certain things are enforced...like a budget from the Senate?

Posted by: Mr_Write at January 18, 2013 05:01 PM (CLkAH)

190 "Emperor BAMMY creates a wish list that is "the Royal budget" and the house votes on it as does the senate it always fails and thus says the current media does the Emperor then get to force CRs by refusing to force Reed to pass a fucking budget or vote on the real house budget."

You can still read the House FY2013 budget online. It was a bill intended to fail in the Senate, an entirely partisan piece of kabuki drama. The only way we're going to get a budget is through constructive bipartisan effort that includes both chambers.

Posted by: Jordan at January 18, 2013 05:01 PM (Hz1zc)

191 187 California Red,

Yeah i never liked that bill of rights thing much anyway....

um Red if you are in Cali I know it's hard to remember but a strong opposition party in theory is still a check on Tyranny.

Not that I'm comfortable calling the GOP a 'strong opposition party"

Posted by: sven10077 at January 18, 2013 05:03 PM (LRFds)

192 Time Table of the Budget Process- http://1.usa.gov/UVZyOw

"April 15: Congress completes action on the concurrent resolution on the budget. (This is not signed by the President).*"

Posted by: 80sBaby at January 18, 2013 05:03 PM (YjDyJ)

193 The GOP has really been weak. The only conclusion you can reach is that they want to do the same stuff when it's their turn so they aren't rocking the boat. Or, they have done the same stuff and since they don't want to be hypocrites, they aren't saying anything.

Either way, I almost feel like we need billboards all over the country with pictures of groups of Americans, all shapes and sizes saying "yooo hooo over here, just wanted to remind you "congressman boohoo and Senator booboo...you work for us!" That will get their attention. Then, if money collected online is available you can put signs in the DC airports, they'll see those and for uncle joey, the train station. And on the roads approaching DC.

Posted by: Caustic at January 18, 2013 05:03 PM (/b8+5)

194 190 Jordan,

Yeah that whole reconciliation shit never happens....

You do grasp the Senate is supposed to pass a budget, they reconcile the two in negotiations and then King putt signs....for Fuck's sakes he is on pace to be the only PotUS to sign one budget his whole two fucking terms.

"unprecdented" indeed....

why it is almost like a President has never had to deal with split government before I guess.....

this shit is why I want to take a goddamned ballbat to the fucking TV news cameras.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 18, 2013 05:05 PM (LRFds)

195 185
How many of the people who think retardation is bad per se follow Matt Yglesias? Do they know what a retard he is?

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at January 18, 2013 04:58 PM

He can't tell the difference between revolving credit and a mortgage or amortization, but he believes he's qualified to decide who the "grownups" are

Matt Yglesias ‏@mattyglesias

If they’re going to fold anyway, House GOP should earn responsible grownup points by permanently eliminating the debt ceiling.


KBDaBear ‏@kbdabear

@mattyglesias Matty, you might want to learn about mortgages vs revolving debt before becoming the arbiter of who sits at the grownup table


Posted by: kbdabear at January 18, 2013 05:05 PM (wwsoB)

196 >Posted by: sven10077 at January 18, 2013 04:55 PM (LRFds)
<

Some circumstances are different sir, but the fundamental issues are the same- and worse.

We've unsuccessfully communicated our substantial issues to the American people to the point it sounds reactionary and hyperbolic. That's because our leaders don't fully understand them either.

They are actually not leaders. Leaders move people to successfully move people towards the achievement of uncommon goals- to quote Boyd.

You have to be competent, know the issues which are important and communicate them to our public. You need to speak with a single voice and use gradualism if necessary.

Republican have done none of those things because our leaders don't lead. They don't even negotiate well within the caucus. That's because they are dealers and not negotiators. There's a big difference and it's one reason that I knew (as someone who negotiates) the minute Boehner took over we were screwed.

Posted by: marcus at January 18, 2013 05:05 PM (GGCsk)

197 188 When a kid starts rolling around on the ground screaming because you won't buy him some super expensive thing what is the best way to respond?

Well, my mom would have beat my ass like a rented mule.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 18, 2013 05:00 PM (GFM2b)

You say nothing and walk away.

Posted by: Caustic at January 18, 2013 05:05 PM (/b8+5)

198 I agree, Sven. The chances are slim.

Posted by: Jordan at January 18, 2013 05:06 PM (Hz1zc)

199 Rush just reads off Ace's website every day on his program, that is how he got to be #1 on the radio for 25 years. LOL

Posted by: Rush Limbaugh Sent Me at January 18, 2013 05:07 PM (A4hKL)

200 Re 183 True Dat.

Posted by: wg at January 18, 2013 05:08 PM (c60dJ)

201 *leaders inspire people to move towards the achievement of uncommon goals.

I was spitting on the screen too much. -_-

Posted by: marcus at January 18, 2013 05:08 PM (GGCsk)

202 198 Whoredan,

Yeah whoredan because your side is breaking the fucking law.

The Senate passes its own fucking budget and they get reconciled.

If anyone asks me dying what killed America I am going to remind them that they killed ABC's SchoolHouse Rock which made sure that school kids know more about our motherfucking system of government than a Harvard fucking law grad who bills himself a motherfucking Constitutional Professor fraudulently.....


I hate the fucking democrats.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 18, 2013 05:08 PM (LRFds)

203 This is a hill that it doesn't seem the GOPcan win on. Recall that when Democrats - including Obama - voted against raising the debt ceiling in theBush yearsit didn't work - the ceiling still went up. So it is going to go up.
But here's an idea, and perhaps someone can tell me why the House shouldn't do this: Raise the debt ceiling each and every time the administration demands it, without complaint so that you're not "obstructing," but do it by no more than 500 billion, and when you do so pass a request to the administrationto submittheir preferred spending restraints. The President would have to come back to Congress (more than) twice a year, reminding everyone just how much debt he's running up. Now I know the media would play this as Boehner playing games with it, but the House should simply say it's irresponsible of the administration to run up so much debt, so we want to make sure that the American people are reminded of that blooming debt frequently, and that we continue to ask the president to restrain spending, which he hasn't.
That may be all they got, what with the full force of the MSM Death Star propaganda machine aimed at them.

Posted by: Giacomo at January 18, 2013 05:10 PM (iZHqw)

204 196 Marcus,

If the American people are awaiting the USAF Thunderbirds like Unicorn Aviation Demonstration Team with such rapt attention they cannot grasp that the democrats are violating the law, and the way our fucking system has worked for oh what 200+ years i don't know what to say.....

"you fucking imbeciles" comes to mind.

Yes the GOP is not making its case as eloquently as it could but it is not as though the media is engaging in any hard scrutiny of any of Obama's shit.

I want to punch Padme in the mouth when she says her little "this is how democracy dies to applause" line.....

no bitch democracy dies when the Searchlight Stalker breaks the law and the American people don't punish his fucking party because they are watching honey boo.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 18, 2013 05:12 PM (LRFds)

205 The only conclusion you can reach is that they want to do the same stuff
when it's their turn so they aren't rocking the boat. Or, they have
done the same stuff and since they don't want to be hypocrites, they
aren't saying anything.


Or, you could conclude that they
think they're doing the best thing they can under the very difficult
circumstances they face. But where's the fun in that? I don't really
have a high opinion of GOP politicians, not because I
think they're especially bad people, but because they're human.
Nonetheless, I find
it tedious to listen to the constant opportunistic attacks, just because
they're too
easy. You don't like what they're saying? I get that, but then propose
alternatives. No not the usual BS. I mean real alternatives that
won't end in them being burned at the electoral stake. Because if you
don't do that, you're wasting everyone's time.

OT: My Congressman
used to be Tom Davis. He was a sleaze, as well as a RINO. He attended
my daughter's Gold Award (GS version of Eagle). It was for her and her
friend, who happens to have a rather magnificent rack. She later said
she was extremely creeped out that he spent the entire time he talked
with her staring at her chest.

Posted by: pep at January 18, 2013 05:13 PM (6TB1Z)

206 for all you moderate republicans on this website, do you still maintain Romney is unelectable and Chris Christie is the bee knees?

Posted by: Rush Limbaugh Sent Me at January 18, 2013 05:14 PM (A4hKL)

207 You can still read the House FY2013 budget online. It was a bill intended to fail in the Senate, an entirely partisan piece of kabuki drama.

Designed to, I dunno, cut spending or something.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 18, 2013 05:14 PM (UjSt7)

208 205 Pep,

every time you are on camera remind the American people that Harry fucking Reid is breaking the goddamned law in not passing a budget.

there done.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 18, 2013 05:14 PM (LRFds)

209 "The Senate passes its own fucking budget and they get reconciled."

The House budget wasn't the starting point for negotiating with the Senate. It was a poison pill that ensured no negotions would happen. Form a joint committee and hammer it out. Let the extremists in both parties scream bloody murder and pass the damned thing on a bipartisan vote.

Posted by: Jordan at January 18, 2013 05:15 PM (Hz1zc)

210 oops, i meant to say, do you still maintain Romney has electability.

Posted by: Rush Limbaugh Sent Me at January 18, 2013 05:15 PM (A4hKL)

211 207 Bevel l,

like you know both of Nany McRictuses were designed to spend shitloads of money in 2007 and 2008 against Bush....

like I said Whoredan's weak-assed tea defense of Reid's law breaking would be funny if it was not murdering my nation.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 18, 2013 05:16 PM (LRFds)

212 No, the only way we are going to pass a budget is if someone has a picture of Reid blowing a goat on the White House lawn.

Seriously, Reid and Obama like there is no budget and for four years they've run multi-trillion dollar deficits.

And we've stood with our fingers up our butts and minds in Idaho. While pouting.

Actually we haven't done a good job with a basic explanation. How about a visual? A press conference every day, by that single voice I noted, with a clock behind him.

"Well today, is day 1,554 since Democrats have passed a budget. Gee, did you pass a budget around your kitchen table this weekend?"

Draw it in crayon if you have to. Don't use pedantic terminology that no regular person outside Washington understands.

This is 101.

Posted by: marcus at January 18, 2013 05:17 PM (GGCsk)

213 i still maintain that if Romney had hit Obama hard on J. Wright and Bill Ayers, he would have won. Saying over and over Obama is a nice guy was the big mistake of his campaign. people will re-elect somebody who has sucked if they think he is nice, the point of campaigns is to pull down any pesonal likeability. Obama understood that.

Posted by: Rush Limbaugh Sent Me at January 18, 2013 05:18 PM (A4hKL)

214 209 Whoredan,

Again the law says that Hairy fucking Reid passes a fucking budget they get reconciled stud.

What You fucks are doing is refusing to go on record adding your desired fucking spending on the record.

You do not want the American people to see who is passing what spending because you are fucking cowards.

COWARDS

If you were proud of the counter budget's numbers you would beat us over the head with "our hard fought for spending for YOU" but no asshole you and giggles and Searchlight Strangler want to keep pointing a gun at Granny and the Military's head every so often.

Fuck I hate you people.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 18, 2013 05:18 PM (LRFds)

215 By the way.

Notice how their caucus stands together.

Yes, they are destructive. loathsome, dickheads who are destroying this country. But they march in lockstep.

Will there be a price to pay? Sure, we can all sit around and say I told you so when it all falls apart.

That's great.

Posted by: marcus at January 18, 2013 05:20 PM (GGCsk)

216 "like I said Whoredan's weak-assed tea defense of Reid's law breaking would be funny if it was not murdering my nation."

You've never heard me defend Harry Reid for not passing a budget. I'm appalled Congress has failed to perform this basic duty. However, Boehner deserves blame too.

Posted by: Jordan at January 18, 2013 05:20 PM (Hz1zc)

217 210
oops, i meant to say, do you still maintain Romney has electability.

Posted by: Rush Limbaugh Sent M


Yes, and so did most of the folks on this site as the election neared. What I don't hear is you telling me who would have done better and why.

Posted by: pep at January 18, 2013 05:21 PM (6TB1Z)

218 212 Marcus,

Read my 213.

This is what will destroy the Republic.

Hard red states are seeing a federal government playing games running trillion dollar debts breaking the law and essentially what 200+ years of tradition.

Fuck this move on.

The donks found a glitch in the videogame they will not quit exploiting.

They are going to use it to get enough power through fear to undo the Bill of Rights into "Obama's Dispensations"

Game over.

That's a fucking negotiation too and I am slowly gonna get harder to budge.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 18, 2013 05:21 PM (LRFds)

219 i still maintain that if Romney had hit Obama hard on J. Wright and Bill Ayers, he would have won.

Could be, but we'll never know. He did it to appeal to women voters, and it was a sound strategic choice.

Posted by: pep at January 18, 2013 05:22 PM (6TB1Z)

220 216 Whoredan,

You suck donkey dick.

Boner did his job he sent a budget.

Reid votes on it amends it as he sees fit and bam there is reconciliation and the President signs or vetoes.

Your side relied on rape shit and fucking lies about Birth control to win with a retarded public.

Knock your bullshit off take your fucking bow for your media's games and take your received fucking hate like a man.

You fuckheads defended Reed's ability to break the law.

hats fucking off.

Now fuck you.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 18, 2013 05:24 PM (LRFds)

221 *starts to explain the whole thing to the GOP again*

Palpatine is the Sith Lord and he's pretending to be a good guy.

*sees the GOP exchange looks of confusion*

Guys, the Rebels fought the Empire because they thought it was the right thing to do, not because they expected to win.

*a chorus of huhs and whats*

It wasn't until Luke spoke past Darth Vader directly to Anakin Skywalker that Skywalker was able to destroy Vader and the Emperor.

*several GOP dudes ask why Yoda was green*

I give up.

Let it Burn.

Posted by: eman at January 18, 2013 05:25 PM (tBnjP)

222
pep
I personally think Santorum and Perry (if he was prepared) could havedone better thanRomney altough probably still lost. Both of them talked more about other issues outside of the poor economy and spending, and both would have been harder to demonize as rich vulture capitalist.
i reject the notion Romney was more electable. I like Romney on a personal level but too many flip flops and his campaign was too one trick pony.

Posted by: Rush Limbaugh Sent Me at January 18, 2013 05:25 PM (A4hKL)

223 I think Sven should run the GOP's public relations program. He has a way with words. Well, some of them, anyway.

Posted by: Jordan at January 18, 2013 05:25 PM (Hz1zc)

224 213 Rush limbaugh Sent Me,

You are goddamned straight up dead the fuck on.

A liberal think tank just said I am the KKK to get gun control....

Mitt can't even acknowledge the stink that sack of shit leaves in his nose.

The GOP can either fight or let the donks hold it all when we all quit but I do not give a fuck about "nice" I care about hitting them as hard as they hit me with the truth.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 18, 2013 05:25 PM (LRFds)

225 223 Jordan,

get back to me when you admit your President's mentors are a black David Duke and a fucking mad bomber.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 18, 2013 05:26 PM (LRFds)

226 I personally think Santorum and Perry (if he was prepared) could havedone better thanRomney altough probably still lost.

Given that Perry couldn't even win with very strong tailwind, and Santorum didn't climb out of single digits until he was the last man standing, I'd agree with you that they would have lost. Thus, the question remains.

Posted by: pep at January 18, 2013 05:27 PM (6TB1Z)

227 Given that Perry couldn't even win with very strong tailwind

Given that Perry couldn't even win A PRIMARY with very strong tailwind

Posted by: pep at January 18, 2013 05:28 PM (6TB1Z)

228 "Guys, the Rebels fought the Empire because they thought it was the right thing to do, not because they expected to win."

so what's the "fight" here, actually refuse to raise the debt ceiling at the last minute? there's only a small core of House Republicans who'd consider that, not because the rest are RINOs, but because they don't want to knock the economy around and be forced to defend it.

Posted by: JDP at January 18, 2013 05:28 PM (60GaT)

229
the biggest disappointment with romney is he didn't hit Obama hard on obamacare at all, his kept talking about obamacare raiding medicare but to me that is the weakest case against obamacare. that is what we get when we nominate the father of obamacare.

Posted by: Rush Limbaugh Sent Me at January 18, 2013 05:29 PM (A4hKL)

230 "get back to me when you admit your President's mentors are a black David Duke and a fucking mad bomber."

As an actively anti-religious person, I'm happy to admit Wright is a frothing, delusional zealot. As for Ayers, he's a lot of things, including a terrorist.

Posted by: Jordan at January 18, 2013 05:29 PM (Hz1zc)

231 "As an actively anti-religious person"

lol wtf

Posted by: JDP at January 18, 2013 05:30 PM (60GaT)

232 that is what we get when we nominate the father of obamacare.

Sorry, I'm trying to take you seriously, but it's this kind of facile crap that makes it difficult.

Posted by: pep at January 18, 2013 05:30 PM (6TB1Z)

233 230 Whoredan,

but the Unicorn Prince's shit still don't stink....

fuck it bring your goddamned s'mores makings....

I'll help you burn it down.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 18, 2013 05:31 PM (LRFds)

234 what Wright did wasn't rooted in religion anyway, it was left-of-left ideology grafted onto it.

Posted by: JDP at January 18, 2013 05:31 PM (60GaT)

235 that is why i said if perry had prepared. that was a horrible field of candidates across the board in retrospect, i was even on Newtie Poo's bandwagon for awhile. I never got on the Cain Train, though LOL

Posted by: Rush Limbaugh Sent Me at January 18, 2013 05:32 PM (A4hKL)

236 what is the difference b/t romneycare and obamacare other than one at the state level and one at the federal level. RomneyCare is actually worse than Obamacare at this point.

Posted by: Rush Limbaugh Sent Me at January 18, 2013 05:33 PM (A4hKL)

237 that is why i said if perry had prepared.

If

Posted by: pep at January 18, 2013 05:34 PM (6TB1Z)

238 if i ran for president against Obama, I would be talking about J. Wright and Bill Ayers all the time. i don't know how you don't talk about that, that's a gold mine that republicans just ignored for out of irrational cowardice

Posted by: Rush Limbaugh Sent Me at January 18, 2013 05:35 PM (A4hKL)

239 what is the difference b/t romneycare and obamacare other than one at
the state level and one at the federal level. RomneyCare is actually
worse than Obamacare at this point.


I have no intention of recapitulating the year leading up to the nomination. We've done that already.

Posted by: pep at January 18, 2013 05:35 PM (6TB1Z)

240
pep, you don't have to brown nose Romney anymore, it's over.
my point holds, if he had superior electablity he would have won this year given the sad state of the economy. he was the only candidate touted to have superior electablity and he lost badly.

Posted by: Rush Limbaugh Sent Me at January 18, 2013 05:36 PM (A4hKL)

241 The GOP Machine cranks out weak shit and the Democrat Machine mows it down.

The GOP needs to become the party of rebellion.

No more cooperation with the MFM.

Communicate through radio and internet only.

No more negotiations with Democrats.

Tell us the truth about where the USA is and where it is heading.

Posted by: eman at January 18, 2013 05:37 PM (tBnjP)

242 The only way we're going to get a budget is through constructive bipartisan effort that includes both chambers.

Why should your guys compromise? Their lawlessness has been rewarded so far.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 18, 2013 05:38 PM (evdj2)

243 "236 what is the difference b/t romneycare and obamacare other than one at the state level and one at the federal level. RomneyCare is actually worse than Obamacare at this point."

Massachusetts has pretty good health care by most metrics. I'm not hopeful that Obamacare will achieve similar results in, say, Oklahoma or Alabama, but at least it will expand access in the most unhealthy parts of the country.

Posted by: Jordan at January 18, 2013 05:38 PM (Hz1zc)

244 228 JDP,

Uh guy they are not the ones who violated the law and the way the system works....that would be Reed and Emperor MomJeans...

A press worth having the 1st amendment would give a shit....


Posted by: sven10077 at January 18, 2013 05:38 PM (LRFds)

245
pep,
there isn't much difference b/t the two, obamacare is the same idea as Romneycare. you can play the state rights card like Romney did but that was never a very persausive argument. romney helped to mainstream obama on that issue, it's amazing to me that we nominated a guy who did the same thing that we hate Obama for.

Posted by: Rush Limbaugh Sent Me at January 18, 2013 05:38 PM (A4hKL)

246 the question is whether the GOP wants to argue against universal healthcare, and if not, what is their alternative plan and how is it better.

or, leave aside universal healthcare, and talk preexisting conditions. this is one of the "popular" components of Obamacare, as opposed to the individual mandate, but it's not like the two are easily detached from each other. Republicans talked about, of course we'll still cover preexisting conditions, but didn't explain things much beyond that.

calling Obamacare "job-killing" "big-spending" etc. is certainly true but it doesn't strike at the core of the argument. liberals don't care that it costs a bunch or that it harms the economy in certain ways, it's an ideological commitment, and the GOP didn't appear to have an effective counter-ideological view.

Posted by: JDP at January 18, 2013 05:39 PM (60GaT)

247 236 what is the difference b/t romneycare and obamacare other than one at the state level and one at the federal level. RomneyCare is actually worse than Obamacare at this point.
Posted by: Rush Limbaugh Sent Me at January 18, 2013 05:33 PM (A4hKL)

Well it IS a big difference. I'm not going to move to MA accordingly.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at January 18, 2013 05:40 PM (FsUAO)

248
say what you want about Santorum but he was effective as hell hammering Obama on Obamacare.
we cared more about his comments about sodomy though and elected RomneyCare guy. LOL

Posted by: Rush Limbaugh Sent Me at January 18, 2013 05:42 PM (A4hKL)

249 In Massachusetts if you don't list your health insurance information you will be punished with a fine.

This is Mitt's flag flapping in the wind.

Posted by: eman at January 18, 2013 05:42 PM (tBnjP)

250 246 JDp,

sure they do...if the government cannot interfere with abortion why can they interfere with my medical care with IPAB?

If HMOs are evil why are we all being forced into an HMO with even less recourse for redress of grievances?

The TeaParty made these points.

I don't known what fucking good thre GOP is anymore but it looks like the GOP decided to throw us under the bus instead of pointing out the demonization of the TeaParty is assinine and if the GOP is the Tea party then all democrats are the Occutards.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 18, 2013 05:43 PM (LRFds)

251 And nothing is more boring than someone asserting candidate X would have done better than Romney.

It's Captain Hindsight notions.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 74% more DOOM! at January 18, 2013 05:43 PM (FsUAO)

252
"Why should your guys compromise? Their lawlessness has been rewarded so far."

This answer is earnest. Democrats and Republicans should compromise because we have a shared interest in ensuring our government is on a responsible and sustainable fiscal course. What has intransigence brought us? Our credit is downgraded. Government shutdown permanently looms on the horizon. Spending remains out of control, and our taxes only fund a fraction of it.

Posted by: Jordan at January 18, 2013 05:43 PM (Hz1zc)

253 i think conservatives should oppose big government at every level. big government at the state level is still big government. i think pols are always eager to use the state rights argument to duck questions about big government measures they pushed for in their states.

Posted by: Rush Limbaugh Sent Me at January 18, 2013 05:44 PM (A4hKL)

254 @249 on your tax forms.


The USA is in dire straights because it has collectivized things that should never be collectivized: retirement, medical care, aid to the poor.

The only way to end it is to let it self-destruct.

Posted by: eman at January 18, 2013 05:45 PM (tBnjP)

255 I never believed Romney was more electable than Santorum or even Perry despite Perry's screwups in the primary. perry actually had a better jobs record to run on and i think he has a bit more charisma than romney although I didn't find romney unlikeable.

Posted by: Rush Limbaugh Sent Me at January 18, 2013 05:46 PM (A4hKL)

256 Never compromise with the Democrats.

They are Socialists and will never give up that goal.

Ever.

Posted by: eman at January 18, 2013 05:47 PM (tBnjP)

257
was i the only one who thought it was amazing we were willing to entrust a serial flip flopping pol from Mass. who had implemented socialized medicine in his state with the huge mission of pushing for full repeal of ObamaCare?
i think Romney's nomination with this is mindd is one of the most curious things that has ever happened in our country's political history. LOL

Posted by: Rush Limbaugh Sent Me at January 18, 2013 05:51 PM (A4hKL)

258 i hope the lesson of Romney is that just b/c a pol positions himself as more moderate with superior electablity doesn't mean it is true. We have these purity vs electablity arguments every election cycle and moderates end up losing a lot of their general elections and nobody talks much about it, but a lot of focus is put on the "pure" candidates who lose their general elections, even though those candidates tend to lose b/c they are unpolished politicians, not b/c they are too conservative.

Posted by: Rush Limbaugh Sent Me at January 18, 2013 05:55 PM (A4hKL)

259 252 Jordan,

Bullshit.

Vote on Boehner's budget, amend it as you'd like pass it reconcile.

Stop hiding that is way it has always been done.

YOU may feel that way your party doesn't.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 18, 2013 05:59 PM (LRFds)

260 Not a bad strategy to try.

We are only 20 days into 2013. Elections are 18 months out.

We need to experiment and see what works politically, you know, like the war on women thing didn't start off so great either.

This concept does 3 things:

1) GOP appears willing to compromise, be realistic, etc. No lib pundit can scream about hostages when all they are asking for is a budget. Jesus, the Dems can't even pass a budget?

2) If it fails and we are back at square one in 3 months, nothing has been given up at all. If it succeeds and make the Senate work, then there's that.

3) I know everyone wants to be the hard ass, but what we need to do is look like the guys who were very reasonable but that complete dick in the WH/Senate couldn't even do their own job.

I say try it. 3 months later, you can be a hardass.

Posted by: sexypig at January 18, 2013 07:02 PM (dZQh7)

261 p.s. Demanding a budget doesn't mean that you have to agree to that budget, but its does start the normal, I'll show you mine, if you show me yours process.

Though the media will just ignore it, that's like the weather.

Posted by: sexypig at January 18, 2013 07:04 PM (dZQh7)

262 I guess I like the attempt at forcing the issue but we know the Democrats will not comply.

We don't KNOW that at all. Everyone simply chooses to assume they won't instead of standing up for something for once and finding out.

We tried the more radical road with Gingrich--it didn't work.
We lost--Big Time.



Talk about your revisionist history. We did NOT lose "Big Time".

Krauthammer at the end of his piece suggests winning for once.
Winning is EVERY damn thing in
politics.

Unfortunately, Krauts definition of winning is one surrender after another. Sorry, but you can't surrender yourself to victory.

Posted by: Kent at January 18, 2013 11:30 PM (O/sms)

263
>>I guess I like the attempt at forcing the issue but we know the Democrats will not comply.<<

Same argument every freakin' time. We
don't KNOW that at all. Everyone simply chooses to assume they won't
instead of standing up for something for once and finding out.

>>We tried the more radical road with Gingrich--it didn't work.
We lost--Big Time.
<<

Talk about your revisionist history. We did NOT lose "Big Time".

>>Krauthammer at the end of his piece suggests winning for once.
Winning is EVERY damn thing in
politics.<<

Unfortunately, Krauts definition of winning is one surrender after another. Sorry, but you can't surrender yourself to victory.

Posted by: Kent at January 18, 2013 11:32 PM (O/sms)

264 ghdfgh

Posted by: fred at January 18, 2013 11:33 PM (O/sms)

265 fghdfhf



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Posted by: fred at January 18, 2013 11:35 PM (O/sms)

266 So Ace: both you and the Big Fat Idiot come up with the same loonburger thought, and you're BASKING in the similarity?

Pathetic. You're a truly pathetic loser.

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at January 19, 2013 12:56 AM (21TJo)

267 Rexx is eight hours late an a idea short.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 19, 2013 09:23 AM (QupBk)






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