Shock: "40% of Gun Sales Aren't Subject to a Background Check" Figure Cited by Obama is Crank

I cited the 40% number too, in comments. I fell for it.

First of all, the figure comes from a Bloomberg study-- which is already a mark against its credibility.

Second of all, the 40% figure they cite doesn't even apply to all gun sales, but rather gun re-sales. Thus, 40% doesn't apply to all guns, new and old, but only to the old category.

Furthermore:

The dubious statistic of guns that avoided background checks — which is actually 36 percent — comes from a small 251-person survey on gun sales two decades ago, very early in the Clinton administration. Most of the survey covered sales before the Brady Act instituted mandatory federal background checks in early 1994.

If that alone didn’t make the number invalid, the federal survey simply asked buyers if they thought they were buying from a licensed firearms dealer. While all Federal Firearm Licensees do background checks, only those perceived as being FFLs were counted....


If you look at guns that were bought, traded, borrowed, rented, issued as a requirement of the job, or won through raffles, 85 percent went through Federal Firearm Licensees and would have been subject to a background check. Only 15 percent would have been transferred without a background check.

Economist John Lott, the author of several landmark studies on the real-world impact of gun control, has concluded that if you take out transfers of guns either between FFLs or between family members, the remaining number of transfers falls to about 10 percent. Those were the numbers from two decades ago. “We don’t know the precise number today, but it is hard to believe that it is above single digits,” he told me.

Posted by: Ace at 01:10 PM



Comments

1 Yet another lie from the Liar in Chief.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 17, 2013 01:11 PM (Gyp4x)

2 I thought that sounded absurd. If his lips are moving, yada, yada, yada....

Posted by: Tami at January 17, 2013 01:12 PM (X6akg)

3 TFG is a lying liar who lies. And he's a SCOAMT.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 17, 2013 01:13 PM (UOM48)

4
This season's losers...

Posted by: M. Murcek at January 17, 2013 01:13 PM (GJUgF)

5 How does this count transfers from owners to the bottom of the lake?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 17, 2013 01:13 PM (e0xKF)

6 I. Am. Gobsmacked!

Posted by: Andy at January 17, 2013 01:13 PM (C/NnJ)

7 Ace, this is OT real soon but this is major.

Sec. of Treasury Geithener has tapped the federal employee pension plan for billions to avert government shutdown unless the debt ceiling is raised.
http://news.yahoo.com/us-taps-pension-fund-avoid-211937220.html

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 17, 2013 01:14 PM (Gyp4x)

8 John Lott was on Levin last night and totally exposed all this as a lie. Worth a listen on the show rewind in the first hour.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 17, 2013 01:14 PM (XkWWK)

9 I would never lie!

Posted by: Mayor Bloomberg sitting courtside drinking a 32 oz Coke at January 17, 2013 01:15 PM (/YJYi)

10 I hope gun owners practice jury nullification in all firearms cases should the ban on high capacity magazines and "assault rifles" get passed into law.

Posted by: Warden at January 17, 2013 01:15 PM (0DlnM)

11 He lied!

Say it isn't so!

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 17, 2013 01:15 PM (0q2P7)

12 Let me show you my shocked face ... O_O

Posted by: Blacksheep at January 17, 2013 01:16 PM (8/DeP)

13 Quiet! TFG is controlling a drone over Algeria right now.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 17, 2013 01:16 PM (UOM48)

14 Of course it is a lie, his lips were moving. I believe nothing that shit stain says. He is a serial liar and and chronic asshole communist.

Posted by: Vic at January 17, 2013 01:16 PM (53z96)

15 Sec. of Treasury Geithener has tapped the federal employee pension plan for billions to avert government shutdown unless the debt ceiling is raised.

Shut. It. Down. & Let. It. Burn.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 17, 2013 01:17 PM (GFM2b)

16 12 Let me show you my shocked face ... O_O
Posted by: Blacksheep at January 17, 2013 01:16 PM (8/DeP)

I thought it was shocked cleavage.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 17, 2013 01:17 PM (XkWWK)

17 Shocker. Seriously, every single fact in this debate is on the side of the Second Amendment.

I mean, they have NOTHING TO ARGUE. The only one who has put forth any type of solution that would at least potentially arguably deal with this is the NRA.

Stand and Fight. Indeed. You protect your kids, how do you fucking dare dictate to me that I cannot do so in the same way.

Gun control advocates have blood on their hands. Period.

Posted by: Prescient11 at January 17, 2013 01:17 PM (tVTLU)

18
Sec. of Treasury Geithener has tapped the federal employee pension
plan for billions to avert government shutdown unless the debt ceiling
is raised.
http://news.yahoo.com/us-taps-pension-fund-avoid-211937220.html

***

By God, that'll scare us into raising the debt ceiling even more sky high! Imagine if our federal overlords' pensions were imperiled! The horror! The horror!

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 17, 2013 01:17 PM (XUKZU)

19 This is my shocked face:


Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 17, 2013 01:17 PM (UOM48)

20 Zero LIED??
You can knock me over with a feather.

Posted by: real joe at January 17, 2013 01:17 PM (ixAVa)

21 Sec. of Treasury Geithener has tapped the federal employee pension plan
for billions to avert government shutdown unless the debt ceiling is
raised.
http://news.yahoo.com/us-taps-pension-fund-avoid-211937220.html



I wonder how he plans to re-pay the pensions.

Hmmm.....


Posted by: EC at January 17, 2013 01:18 PM (GQ8sn)

22 0)(0

Shocked cleavage.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 17, 2013 01:18 PM (XkWWK)

23 Factcheck.org et al will be all over this I'm sure.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at January 17, 2013 01:18 PM (X/+QT)

24 Obama lied. Civil rights died.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 17, 2013 01:18 PM (XUKZU)

25 I don't recall seeing the words 'background check' as a qualifier in the second amendment.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 17, 2013 01:18 PM (RdmnV)

26 Crikey. Fox just showed the photo of Menendez pedo intern. Yikes.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 17, 2013 01:18 PM (UOM48)

27 .)(.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 17, 2013 01:18 PM (XkWWK)

28 EC, Geithner pinky swears it will be repaid.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 17, 2013 01:18 PM (Gyp4x)

29 *)(*

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 17, 2013 01:19 PM (XkWWK)

30 You mean obama and the dems lied? The hell you say?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 17, 2013 01:19 PM (9Bj8R)

31 29
*)(*




More closely resembles Piers Morgan's hairy butt.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 17, 2013 01:19 PM (UOM48)

32
I wonder how he plans to re-pay the pensions.

Hmmm.....

---

Seems like a good time for me to cash out those IRAs...

I should have used the damn things to help make the downpayment on my house a year ago.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 17, 2013 01:20 PM (e0xKF)

33 Nobody "needs" accurate numbers.

Posted by: Barack XVI at January 17, 2013 01:20 PM (FcR7P)

34 Wait until the New York Times finds out Obama lied. THERE WILL BE HELL TO PAY!!!!!

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 17, 2013 01:20 PM (XUKZU)

35 ( o )( o )

Posted by: EC at January 17, 2013 01:20 PM (GQ8sn)

36 Sec. of Treasury Geithener has tapped the federal employee pension plan for billions to avert government shutdown unless the debt ceiling is raised. Shut. It. Down. Let. It. Burn.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 17, 2013 01:17 PM (GFM2b)
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An added benefit is that if it does burn, the federal employees will watch their unfunded pensions evaporate.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 17, 2013 01:20 PM (RdmnV)

37 EC, Geithner pinky swears it will be repaid.


Repaid with small platinum coins?

Posted by: EC at January 17, 2013 01:20 PM (GQ8sn)

38 More closely resembles Piers Morgan's hairy butt.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 17, 2013 01:19 PM (UOM4


*)*(*


More like dat, I guess.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 17, 2013 01:20 PM (XkWWK)

39 *)(*

More closely resembles Piers Morgan's hairy butt.

---

I think you mean this-

*) (0) (*

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 17, 2013 01:21 PM (e0xKF)

40 You expect me to check my facts? I'm too busy doing lines with Jay-Z with Kal under my desk!

Posted by: Barry at January 17, 2013 01:21 PM (/YJYi)

41 We rate this true for all those who love their children and don't want them to be gunned down, but false for people who don't care if their kids die.

Posted by: Politifact at January 17, 2013 01:21 PM (0DlnM)

42 Stop swiftboating our President!!!!

Posted by: John F'n Kerry (D) War Hero at January 17, 2013 01:21 PM (QKKT0)

43 It's not a lie. It's truthiness by an order of magnitude.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 17, 2013 01:21 PM (XkWWK)

44
*) (0) (*

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 17, 2013 01:21 PM (e0xKF)

Dude, it's pretty close to lunchtime...

Posted by: KG at January 17, 2013 01:22 PM (p7BzH)

45 You can tell when TFG is lying. His lips are moving and he hisses like a damned snake.

Gah. Cannot. Stand his lisping.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 17, 2013 01:22 PM (UOM48)

46
TFG's Reverse Midas Touch strikes again.

Fuck me, we can't get one particle of truth from this clown car of an administration.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 17, 2013 01:22 PM (yiIja)

47 Official Oval Office lie, for the children.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 17, 2013 01:22 PM (XUKZU)

48 Somewhat factually false, yet morally true.

Posted by: Politifact at January 17, 2013 01:22 PM (0DlnM)

49 (_o_)(_o_)


Boobs on a table.

Posted by: EC at January 17, 2013 01:23 PM (GQ8sn)

50 Cleavage.
http://is.gd/71VnKT

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ #NukeIowaCity at January 17, 2013 01:23 PM (ZKzrr)

51 Obama? Lie? To quote someone smarter than me, the TFG is "... a low down, dirty... deceiver."

Posted by: Keith Arnold at January 17, 2013 01:23 PM (n4EDK)

52 Seems like a good time for me to cash out those IRAs...

I should have used the damn things to help make the downpayment on my house a year ago.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 17, 2013 01:20 PM (e0xKF)



Better do it now before the Feds do it for you.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 17, 2013 01:23 PM (VtjlW)

53 Lying liars will lie!

It's what they do.

Who's gonna call them on it?

David Gregory?

John "We'll look at what the President has offered" Boehner?

Posted by: General Woundwort at January 17, 2013 01:24 PM (RrD4h)

54 Another chestnut I'm hearing constantly: ".....And if you look at the polls, most Republicans FAVOR banning assault weapons."

Oddly, they never say what mysterious poll they are speaking of.

Posted by: ktgreat at January 17, 2013 01:24 PM (VqbeO)

55 6) Armed guards did nothing to stop the Columbine massacre, so they don't work.

A: This is the worst and most dishonest "argument" out there. First, the armed guard in Columbine was outside of the school. And there was also a motorcycle cop nearby who joined in to help. But since the cop didn't stop it as well, perhaps we should disarm him too, eh? But I digress.

The armed guard started firing shots in the parking lot against the shooters. The shooters ran away from him and into the school, where the massacre really began. There were several students in the parking lot that were shot that were probably saved by that armed guard. So your argument is fucked right there.

Moreover, pre-Columbine the standard police procedure was to establish a perimeter and see if you could talk to the shooter. In other words, the armed guard and the cop didn't rush into the school immediately. If they had done so, countless other lives may have been saved. After Columbine the procedure is to confront the shooter immediately. Another dishonest part of this argument.

And finally, in Columbine the original plan was to blow up the cafeteria. They put two "propane bombs" in the cafeteria and waited outside for them to go off. Experts estimate that around 500 kids and adults would have been killed. But their remote timers malfunctioned and that's why they went to Plan B which was the shooting spree.

Do we ever, ever hear about "propane control." And btw, this all happened right in the middle of the assault weapons ban.

Posted by: Prescient11 at January 17, 2013 01:24 PM (tVTLU)

56 All of you folks fretting over the pension funds need to remember back when Clinton shut it down last time. They did the same thing. There are some other tricks they can do with accounting that are already happening. Technically they have already hit the ceiling. The date they are pushing now is when not only the debt runs out, but all the tricks run out as well.

Posted by: Vic at January 17, 2013 01:24 PM (53z96)

57 Gah. Cannot. Stand his lisping.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 17, 2013 01:22 PM (UOM4



Oh hey here's a suggestion for things to call him that won't make you put money in the jar - Lispy McFuckstain.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 17, 2013 01:25 PM (VtjlW)

58 OT:

As a gun newbie, I was just looking at a pistol that fires .410 shot and .45 cal bullets (Taurus, I think). I want one.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 17, 2013 01:25 PM (XkWWK)

59 How would one even guess at the number of private-party gun sales?

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 17, 2013 01:25 PM (evdj2)

60 Why would anybody believe anything the Obama admin said? That guy should stitch his top lip to the bottom one at the middle so he can more effectively talk out ofboth sides of his mouth at once!

Posted by: Judge_Roy_bean at January 17, 2013 01:25 PM (cNWeL)

61 False, but Sarah Palin is stewpid so it's a tie.

Posted by: Politifact at January 17, 2013 01:25 PM (0DlnM)

62 Cleavage.
http://is.gd/71VnKT

And nerds wonder why they can't get laid.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 17, 2013 01:25 PM (GFM2b)

63 Lies, damned lies, and statistics.

Posted by: cajun carrot at January 17, 2013 01:26 PM (UZQM8)

64 As a gun newbie, I was just looking at a pistol that fires .410 shot and .45 cal bullets (Taurus, I think). I want one.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 17, 2013 01:25 PM (XkWWK)
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Don't bother. Barrel is too short for either projectile.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 17, 2013 01:26 PM (RdmnV)

65 Oh hey here's a suggestion for things to call him that won't make you put money in the jar - Lispy McFuckstain.



Oooh...I like! Thanks!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 17, 2013 01:26 PM (UOM48)

66 As a gun newbie, I was just looking at a pistol that fires .410 shot and .45 cal bullets (Taurus, I think). I want one.

The Judge. Yes, Taurus.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 17, 2013 01:26 PM (GFM2b)

67 Vic did the US ever really get back that $40 billion Clinton tossed to Mexico to save Wall Street's investments?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 17, 2013 01:26 PM (Gyp4x)

68 Seems like a good time for me to cash out those IRAs...

I've been doing it for a few years (on purpose). Taxes are going to be painful this year as I took an extra chunk out and California passed some retroactive taxes. Still, better than letting it sit in an account that doesn't let you trade short.

Posted by: t-bird at January 17, 2013 01:27 PM (FcR7P)

69
"....and shall not be infringed."

There is a reason why the Founders added that to the 2nd Amendment...and used the word 'infringed'...instead of other words, like 'encroached'.

'Infringe' comes from the Latin word infringere...which means to 'weaken, break, or trangress upon'.
It was the strongest, most concise word that they could think of, to convey their meaning.

In other words...the Founders meant "It shall not be fucked with".

Posted by: wheatie at January 17, 2013 01:27 PM (fH4X9)

70 I literally just saw that 40% figure on the cover of a newspaper in a Starbucks.

Posted by: Serious Cat at January 17, 2013 01:27 PM (sgNEe)

71 64 Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 17, 2013 01:26 PM (RdmnV)

Really? I am disappointed. It looks cool. 9mm Glock it is. Or a 40mm Bofors gun.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 17, 2013 01:27 PM (XkWWK)

72 Any number that tumbles out of a Leftie should be challenged.

Every once in a while they let slip that they really don't care about the truth. "Never let a crisis go to waste."

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 17, 2013 01:27 PM (KDq5l)

73 9mm is easier to conceal than an L70 Bofors 40mm.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 17, 2013 01:28 PM (Gyp4x)

74 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 17, 2013 01:27 PM (XkWWK)
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9mm is good, it is a common round. You might like the Beretta PX4 or the Stoeger (nee Beretta) Cougar.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 17, 2013 01:28 PM (RdmnV)

75 Liberals love to place their agenda in an 'If-Then' context, and then lie about the 'If' part.

Make them prove every assertion they make!

Posted by: gastorgab at January 17, 2013 01:28 PM (FX38i)

76 7) The NRA is a shady organization run by gun nuts and nazis.

The NRA was originally founded for several purposes, one was how to teach the civilian population how to shoot better as apparently Union troops couldn't shoot for shit and the other purpose was to provide firearms for black citizens in the South so that they could protect themselves. And this was in the 1800s. Quite laudable goals.

Further, after Dunkirk and the British retreat, the Nazis were literally at the Brits doorstep threatening to take over. But the people had no fucking guns. The NRA sent out alerts to its membership asking them to donate a weapon to send over to the British to help fight the nazis.

The NRA is a fantastic organization, and has been a defender of our freedoms, and the world's freedom for over a hundred years.

Posted by: Prescient11 at January 17, 2013 01:29 PM (tVTLU)

77 72 Any number that tumbles out of a Leftie should be challenged.

Every once in a while they let slip that they really don't care about the truth. "Never let a crisis go to waste."
Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 17, 2013 01:27 PM (KDq5l)


Remember when it was 30 million uninsured, then 40, then 45 million.

Divine retribution - as manifested in an appropriate agent(s) cannot come soon enough for the Left.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 17, 2013 01:29 PM (XkWWK)

78
Another chestnut I'm hearing constantly: ".....And if you look at the polls, most Republicans FAVOR banning assault weapons."



Oddly, they never say what mysterious poll they are speaking of.

Posted by: ktgreat at January 17, 2013 01:24 PM (VqbeO)

There was actually a USA Today poll right after Newtown that showed most Americans oppose a ban. Silly libtards.

Posted by: Adam at January 17, 2013 01:29 PM (/YJYi)

79 Just got a nice new tee shirt from Afghanistan

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 17, 2013 01:29 PM (9Bj8R)

80 Vic did the US ever really get back that $40 billion Clinton tossed to Mexico to save Wall Street's investments?


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 17, 2013 01:26 PM (Gyp4x)

Normally what those are are "loan guarantees". If I remember correctly the feds had backed loan guarantees for Mexico through the IMF and they were defaulting on them. Hence they had to pay off. The payoff goes to the banks that made the loans.

So no, the US will never get it back. But that is the way ALL of those IMF loans to third world shit holes go. It is foreign aid without being labeled as foreign aid which the public hates.

It least that is my memory of that last episode.

Posted by: Vic at January 17, 2013 01:30 PM (53z96)

81 As a gun newbie, I was just looking at a pistol that fires .410 shot and .45 cal bullets

45LC is expensive.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 17, 2013 01:30 PM (evdj2)

82 Piers Morgan takes on Dana Loesch over gun rights. Dana removes his balls and puts them in her purse.

http://tinyurl.com/bd5lzye

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 17, 2013 01:30 PM (UOM48)

83 They want to kill us, and they will, when and if they can. That is the only reason to do what they are doing, and they say it now and then too. They hope that t some point they control all levers of govt (or, there is just one to control) and then they can do whatever they want. We aren't included in their future utopia.

Posted by: Baldy at January 17, 2013 01:31 PM (opS9C)

84 6) Armed guards did nothing to stop the Columbine massacre, so they don't work.

I would hurriedly agree to that point and then propose that teachers and staff and parents be allowed to concealed-carry. That's prevention.

Posted by: t-bird at January 17, 2013 01:31 PM (FcR7P)

85 Facts shmacts


Think of the children.

Posted by: RWC (save the white kiddies) at January 17, 2013 01:31 PM (fWAjv)

86 'Anonymous' responds to Obama's gun control actions.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZhHyA9z_vI&sns=tw

Posted by: Icedog at January 17, 2013 01:32 PM (9ScGj)

87
Here's my If-Then Statement:

If you believe anything that comes from this regime, including the MFM

Then you're an idiot.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 17, 2013 01:32 PM (yiIja)

88 82 Piers Morgan takes on Dana Loesch over gun rights. Dana removes his balls and puts them in her purse.

http://tinyurl.com/bd5lzye

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Did she do it at a stacked forum, such as at a "town hall" or on the graves of the victims like Morgan challenged Shapiro to?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 17, 2013 01:32 PM (e0xKF)

89 One commenter at Yahoo! on the pension raid -

Take your guns
And steal your funds
The US government at your service

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 17, 2013 01:32 PM (Gyp4x)

90 In other words...the Founders meant "It shall not be fucked with, you fucking fuckers of fuckery! ".
Posted by: wheatie at January 17, 2013 01:27 PM (fH4X9)

FIFM, I'm in a mood today.

Posted by: cajun carrot at January 17, 2013 01:33 PM (UZQM8)

91 Maybe the 40% ends up being the 90% of Mexican guns.

*nods wisely*

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 17, 2013 01:33 PM (SUKHu)

92 79 Just got a nice new tee shirt from Afghanistan

What does it have on it?

Posted by: wheatie at January 17, 2013 01:33 PM (fH4X9)

93 Really? I am disappointed. It looks cool. 9mm Glock it is. Or a 40mm Bofors gun.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 17, 2013 01:27 PM (XkWWK)

The Box of Truth and The Judge

http://tinyurl.com/2ugzpc

Posted by: RWC (save the white kiddies) at January 17, 2013 01:34 PM (fWAjv)

94 40% of Gun Sales Aren't Subject to a Background Check" Figure Cited by Obama is Crank

It was more like 100%.

Posted by: Mexican Carteleros at January 17, 2013 01:34 PM (FcR7P)

95 One commenter at Yahoo! on the pension raid -

Take your guns
And steal your funds
The US government at your service

Which moron is hanging out at yahoo?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 17, 2013 01:34 PM (GFM2b)

96 Figures don't lie, but liars often figure.

Posted by: Nighthawk at January 17, 2013 01:35 PM (RSqz2)

97 but the important thing is to presume it's true so we can pass legislation that failed to accomplish its purpose in the past but might work this time... for the children.

Posted by: mallfly at January 17, 2013 01:35 PM (bJm7W)

98 I can't believe he would lie like that!!!!

Posted by: One Guy Living in a Forest for the Last 20 Years With No Radio, TV, Internet or Electricity at January 17, 2013 01:35 PM (kx2WA)

99 http://gunssavelives.net/category/self-defense/

check this site daily

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 17, 2013 01:35 PM (GVxQo)

100 @90
Heh. I like that addition, cajun carrot.

Posted by: wheatie at January 17, 2013 01:36 PM (fH4X9)

101 What does it have on it?
Posted by: wheatie at January 17, 2013 01:33 PM (fH4X9)


Name of the FOB, a PIC, and " BRINGING A KNIFE TO A GUN FIGHT"

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 17, 2013 01:36 PM (9Bj8R)

102 40
You expect me to check my facts? I'm too busy doing lines with Jay-Z with Kal under my desk!


Me tell the truth??? The truth and facts are for the "elite", while you peons are to swallow what I and my "friends" tell you!

Speaking of swallow, where is Reggie Love??? We're going to be "jammin" out to our fav song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbGkxcY7YFU

Posted by: Choomer in Chief at January 17, 2013 01:36 PM (Jls4P)

103 Did she do it at a stacked forum, such as at a "town hall" or on the graves of the victims like Morgan challenged Shapiro to?

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 17, 2013 01:32 PM (e0xKF)

No. Two on one. Piers being the one. The other woman had a brother that was killed by a nut with a gun. I don't know if Piers thought that she would be on his side. But they both kicked his ass.

Posted by: RWC (save the white kiddies) at January 17, 2013 01:36 PM (fWAjv)

104 Figures don't lie

Racist.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at January 17, 2013 01:37 PM (kx2WA)

105 So Obama lied. Color me surprised.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at January 17, 2013 01:37 PM (6zgse)

106 I wish one of the GOP weenusses would declare the TGF's opinion null and void after arming Mexican cartels.

Hold a damn press conference for a list of "suggestions" for the executive.

1. Don't force law abiding small businessmen to break the law and sell to known straw-purchasers.

2. Enhance the ethics training for all DOJ and ATF officers.

etc ...

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 17, 2013 01:38 PM (KDq5l)

107 As a gun newbie, I was just looking at a pistol that fires .410 shot and .45 cal bullets

Please don't. Start with a shotgun or a .22 rifle. Starting with a pistol is like learning to drive in a skid steer. There is a lot to learn, and that gun is a poor choice.

Posted by: Jean at January 17, 2013 01:38 PM (xBps2)

108 Rush is interviewing Nick Searcy now.

Posted by: jwest at January 17, 2013 01:38 PM (ZDsRL)

109 Well, maybe FNC will call him on his blatant bullshittery. Heaven knows none of the other outlets will.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 17, 2013 01:39 PM (yiIja)

110 Shock: "40% of Gun Sales Aren't Subject to a Background Check" Figure Cited by Obama is Crank


96.8 percent of statistics cited by politicians and the media are pure bullshit. There's a study.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 17, 2013 01:39 PM (QKKT0)

111 I think CNN has hit on a winning ratings formula here: Informed, well-spoken conservative beats up sactimonious Piers Morgan.

Morgan is such a whore, he'd gladly play along.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 17, 2013 01:39 PM (UfgtA)

112 Searcy's on w/Rush right now.

Posted by: JWF at January 17, 2013 01:39 PM (1l37M)

113 And 100% of gun sales to Mexican drug lords by the government aren't subject to a background check. THE CHIRRRRENN!N!!!!!!!!

Posted by: The Mega Independent at January 17, 2013 01:40 PM (kx2WA)

114 Did the word "unexpectedly" appear in the Bloomberg report?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 17, 2013 01:40 PM (ROv35)

115
Searcy's on w/Rush right now.

I'm fully convinced Rush lurks here.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 17, 2013 01:41 PM (yiIja)

116 Listening to Rush and Nick Searcy right now.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 17, 2013 01:41 PM (UOM48)

117 Instapundit is tearing it up on the gun control argument.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 17, 2013 01:41 PM (GFM2b)

118 I will not be a grumpypants at work because Obama told another lie. I will not be a grumpypants at work because Obama told another lie. I will not be a grumpypants at work because Obama told another lie. I will not....

Posted by: BlueStateRepub at January 17, 2013 01:41 PM (7ObY1)

119 Regarding the evisceration of Morgan -

In the alternate reality known as liberalism, Morgan crushed it!

http://tinyurl.com/9wb8ogf

Posted by: RWC (save the white kiddies) at January 17, 2013 01:41 PM (fWAjv)

120 King Clusterf*ck only lies when he whistles.

Posted by: Fritz at January 17, 2013 01:42 PM (w3+gB)

121 i wonder what searcy is doing right now....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 17, 2013 01:42 PM (GVxQo)

122 That 'thing' has been following Loesch since 2010. Creepy fuck.

Posted by: RWC (save the white kiddies) at January 17, 2013 01:43 PM (fWAjv)

123 More closely resembles Piers Morgan's hairy butt.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 17, 2013 01:19 PM (UOM4

And you know this how, exactly?

Posted by: Insomniac at January 17, 2013 01:43 PM (DrWcr)

124 14 Of course it is a lie, his lips were moving. I believe nothing that shit stain says. He is a serial liar and and chronic asshole communist.
Posted by: Vic at January 17, 2013 01:16 PM (53z96)


Ok, this really just needs to become the default position.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at January 17, 2013 01:43 PM (qFpRI)

125 101What does it have on it? Posted by: wheatie at January 17, 2013 01:33 PM (fH4X9)
Name of the FOB, a PIC, and " BRINGING A KNIFE TO A GUN FIGHT"

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 17, 2013 01:36 PM (9Bj8R)

--------------

Heh.
I hope they don't get in trouble for that snark, though.

My heart goes out to them over there, having to serve under King Clusterfuck's PC-rules.

Posted by: wheatie at January 17, 2013 01:44 PM (fH4X9)

126 Sadly, Dana Loesch didn't point out to Morgan: "When we kicked your country's butt it two wars in a row, we had private cannons and warships.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 17, 2013 01:44 PM (RdmnV)

127 mandy

i thought it always was the default position

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 17, 2013 01:44 PM (GVxQo)

128 It's not a lie if you think it's true.

Posted by: Barack Costanza at January 17, 2013 01:44 PM (96M6e)

129 Maybe the 40% ends up being the 90% of Mexican guns.

*nods wisely*
Posted by: Mama AJ at January 17, 2013 01:33 PM (SUKHu)



I was told there would be no math on this blog.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 17, 2013 01:44 PM (VtjlW)

130 RWC, creepy is right. "Unhinged Moron Dana Loesch"

Then this:

Teabagger and 2nd Amendment Absolutionis Dana Loesch made her return to CNN...but not as a contributor. Both her and Tea Party nutball Scottie Hughes were on CNN's Piers Morgan Tonight to make baseless attacks about gun regulations and to make fools of themselves on national television.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 17, 2013 01:45 PM (UOM48)

131 About the blog
This Blog is about the lies of Dana Loesch. Her fibs are called out full-stop on this blog.

= Note to Dana-loving trolls: this blogspot link is danabusted.blogspot.com, NOT mommasbasement.blogspot.com.

= She claims that she isn't a Republican, but she clearly is.

***= This is NOT a stalker site either. ***
-------

Umm, if you have to point that out, ehhh, nevermind.

Posted by: RWC (save the white kiddies) at January 17, 2013 01:45 PM (fWAjv)

132 Just popped in to Gander Mountain here in Rochester NY - They have stopped all handgun sales and will be shipping them out, citing State instructions.

Posted by: Bigby's Cold Dead Hands at January 17, 2013 01:45 PM (70Yu+)

133 I inherited guns from my Dad and my husband. He bought me a Colt Diamonback 38. I legally own a gun safe full of guns and have never purchased a single one. Rifles, shotguns, 44 Magnum, 45, 32, .357 Colt Python, Glock 9, etc.

BTW, for any and all marriage proposals, the words, "Diamonds large and furs long" should be your guide.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wilde Wrepublican Wench at January 17, 2013 01:46 PM (rbL3r)

134 Dana looks fucking hot.

Posted by: Prescient11 at January 17, 2013 01:47 PM (tVTLU)

135 123
More closely resembles Piers Morgan's hairy butt.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 17, 2013 01:19 PM (UOM4



And you know this how, exactly?




I was told it looks like his face.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 17, 2013 01:47 PM (UOM48)

136
Nick Searcy's character in 'Justified'...Art Mullen...was talking about "retirement" in the last episode.

But he'd just turned 56, so I didn't see why that was even a issue yet.
I hope the writers aren't getting ready to write his character out of the show.

Posted by: wheatie at January 17, 2013 01:47 PM (fH4X9)

137 SO the fuckers in washington lied about statistics to advance a bullshit political agenda??
No
fucking
Way

Posted by: gigg at January 17, 2013 01:48 PM (41VCE)

138 Morgan: Dana, why do you NEED an AR15.

Loesch: Because there is a creepy fucker on the internet following me around everywhere.


http://tinyurl.com/a5vogys

Posted by: RWC (save the white kiddies) at January 17, 2013 01:48 PM (fWAjv)

139 Name of the FOB, a PIC, and " BRINGING A KNIFE TO A GUN FIGHT"

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 17, 2013 01:36 PM (9Bj8R)

--------------

Heh.
I hope they don't get in trouble for that snark, though.

My heart goes out to them over there, having to serve under King Clusterfuck's PC-rules.
Posted by: wheatie at January 17, 2013 01:44 PM (fH4X9)

NO. Funny. I should have explained. They are a Med-Surgical Unit on a Forward Operating Base. Bringing a Knife to a Gun Fight is a Medical Saying about what they do on an everyday basis.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 17, 2013 01:48 PM (9Bj8R)

140 The people of New York need to call out Cuomo as a tyrant.

And every representative that voted for that fucked up bill as a tyrant as well.

And then they should be dealt with as such by the people.

Bigby's, I can't believe that shit. Fucking nuts.

Posted by: Prescient11 at January 17, 2013 01:48 PM (tVTLU)

141
Do they really want to remove the "loophole" or just bitch about it?

Allow private sellers to access the NICS check system!


Duh!

Posted by: rd at January 17, 2013 01:48 PM (zLp5I)

142 And 100% of gun sales to Mexican drug lords by the government aren't subject to a background check. THE CHIRRRRENN!N!!!!!!!!

Criminal background checks are performed. Here's a video: http://tinyurl.com/8bd46du

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 17, 2013 01:48 PM (QKKT0)

143 BTW, for any and all marriage proposals, the words, "Diamonds large and furs long" should be your guide.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wilde Wrepublican Wench at January 17, 2013 01:46 PM (rbL3r)



Ahhh, that's a nicely cut jib. You may sleep inside in alextopia. Here. Have BC's pallet.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 17, 2013 01:48 PM (VtjlW)

144 134 Dana looks fucking hot.

Posted by: Prescient11 at January 17, 2013 01:47 PM (tVTLU)

Check out my #138

Posted by: RWC (save the white kiddies) at January 17, 2013 01:48 PM (fWAjv)

145
81As a gun newbie, I was just looking at a pistol that fires .410 shot and .45 cal bullets

IMO, The Judge and SW's copy are solutions in search of a problem. They also don't shoot either load well because the barrel rifling is a compromise designed to accommodate two very different things.

If this is your first gun, this is (obviously) a real bad time to be in the market. My suggestion is to, first, go see what calibers of ammo are even available and, second, choose a firearm based on that. It sucks, but that's where we are.

From what I've seen on the shelves locally, your best handgun options will be a .357/.38 revolver or a semiauto in one of the more expensive, recoilly, and exotic calibers like 10mm or 357 Sig.

Posted by: Jaws at January 17, 2013 01:50 PM (4I3Uo)

146 As I said before in that thread you cited: 98% of statistics are bullshit.

Posted by: Joe Mama at January 17, 2013 01:51 PM (v9Cj5)

147 132, we will have to see how fast the gun store sales receipts and background check forms get converted into search warrants for failing to register your rifle

Posted by: Jean at January 17, 2013 01:51 PM (QDOGk)

148
BTW, for any and all marriage proposals, the words, "Diamonds large and furs long" should be your guide.

Not on the market, but if I were, "Moron dumb" and "Hobo sauteed" would be about the best I could do.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 17, 2013 01:51 PM (yiIja)

149 139...NO. Funny. I should have explained. They are a Med-Surgical Unit on a Forward Operating Base. Bringing a Knife to a Gun Fight is a Medical Saying about what they do on an everyday basis.

----------

Ah. Okay, thanks for the explanation, Ngu.

Posted by: wheatie at January 17, 2013 01:51 PM (fH4X9)

150 Piers Morgan is upset because some folks misuse the 2nd amendment the way he misused the 1st.

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 17, 2013 01:51 PM (rZPpd)

151
I guess I am way on the other end of things than most. Yes he is a lying liar who lies.

But to me 40% would be an improvement in non-checks. I think it should be 100%.

Background checks do zip to stop a determined killer.

Zip.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 17, 2013 01:52 PM (p/cQy)

152
Dear Abby is dead at 94.

Her advice column included tips and ettiquette for both men and women. "If he buys you dinner, dear, you at least owe him a blow job."

The country will miss sound judgement like that.

Posted by: jwest at January 17, 2013 01:52 PM (ZDsRL)

153 So, what is a “military-style assault weapon?”

A pointy stick could be “military-style assault weapon"

Posted by: Hannibal Lecter, M.D. at January 17, 2013 01:52 PM (e8kgV)

154 127 mandy

i thought it always was the default position
Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 17, 2013 01:44 PM (GVxQo)

It is for me. Working on convincing some of the LIV's I know.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at January 17, 2013 01:52 PM (qFpRI)

155 You know what other tragedy Barry's dream gun confiscation laws would have prevented? Kenyan independence.

Posted by: t-bird at January 17, 2013 01:52 PM (FcR7P)

156 152

Dear Abby is dead at 94.

Her advice column included tips and
ettiquette for both men and women. "If he buys you dinner, dear, you at
least owe him a blow job."

The country will miss sound judgement like that.




Her daughter who replaced her is worse. Raging lib.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 17, 2013 01:53 PM (UOM48)

157 Have you guys gotten the NBA vs NFL email?

It is very interesting. It's spreading like wildfire! No attribution just a request to pass it on. Problem is, it has too much stuff attached to pass it on in here as is. I'm going to try and find a link, someone has to have passed it onto a website.

Posted by: Caustic at January 17, 2013 01:53 PM (/b8+5)

158 Searcy has my respect. In his business, he could be singled out and totally banned from doing anything in the movie or tv industry for even being in a fringe association with people like Rush.

I hope that there are more and more of these conservative leaning actors that come out of the Hollywood leftist haze. This could mean a change, however slight, of the MFM stranglehold on American ideas.

Vince Vaughn is teaming up with Glenn Beck, if you can believe it.

Posted by: Soona at January 17, 2013 01:53 PM (RFrso)

159 can't remember if it was abby or ann who thought proms were unfair because some people didn't get asked to go......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 17, 2013 01:53 PM (GVxQo)

160 Just popped in to Gander Mountain here in Rochester NY - They have stopped all handgun sales and will be shipping them out, citing State instructions.
Posted by: Bigby's Cold Dead Hands


That law amounts to a taking.

Every single gun shop, armorer, and mfr in NY should total up their inventory and send invoices with a 10-day due date by registered mail to the Treasurer of NY.

No payment, boom. Class action law suit. Use the award money for a battalion of lawyers to sue NY in Federal court and stake that fucker in the heart.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 17, 2013 01:54 PM (KDq5l)

161 oh look...caustic the catpiss troll is here!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 17, 2013 01:54 PM (GVxQo)

162
A pointy stick could be “military-style assault weapon"

More people have died after being stuck with a stone- or metal-tipped stick than pretty much any other weapon...

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 17, 2013 01:54 PM (rZPpd)

163 137 SO the fuckers in washington lied about statistics to advance a bullshit political agenda??
No fucking Way


I liked the phrase that Rick Perry used yesterday...."pre-existing agenda".

Posted by: wheatie at January 17, 2013 01:54 PM (fH4X9)

164 That reminds me PG, need more kitty litter.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 17, 2013 01:55 PM (Gyp4x)

165 Caustic/curious....careful with your links. No more pron please.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 17, 2013 01:55 PM (UOM48)

166 If Presdent Obama could convince the world to get rid of guns, then we would have no more wars and everyone would be able to do more constructive stuff with their time.

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Obamaboro, Vt and Proud of it !!!!!!!!!! at January 17, 2013 01:55 PM (48wze)

167 When I heard he'd cited 40% I nearly choked on my tongue. I'm not exactly a gun connoisseur, but I knew that number couldn't be anywhere NEAR correct. I didn't know it was over twenty years old, though, which just adds to the absurdity.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 17, 2013 01:55 PM (4df7R)

168 2nd Amendment Absolutionis

No results found for Absolutionistid you mean Abolitionist?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Absolutionist?s=ts


Apparently illiteracy leads to testosterone deficiency. Read up, morons.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ #NukeIowaCity at January 17, 2013 01:55 PM (ZKzrr)

169 Her advice column included tips and
ettiquette for both men and women. "If he buys you dinner, dear, you at
least owe him a blow job."

The country will miss sound judgement like that.



Her daughter who replaced her is worse. Raging lib.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 17, 2013 01:53 PM (UOM4


So your saying no blow job?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 17, 2013 01:55 PM (9Bj8R)

170
OT:As a gun newbie, I was just looking at a pistol that fires .410 shot and .45 cal bullets (Taurus, I think). I want one.
The new "Judge" is called the Defender. Different hammer I think. i read a bit about it but I'm not an expert. Taurus tried to rifle the barrel for better pattern. One guy said it's good for home defense with 000 buckshot for a better pattern and then hollowpoint 45. he said theres a better chance of one pellet out of three hitting, than one slug in a stress situation. Also, he said if someone is standing behind the bad guy u don't have to worry about it going through him like aslug might. Again just what I read to pass along.

Posted by: Guido at January 17, 2013 01:56 PM (XLuH2)

171 WTF? YouTube why for you find this? NSFW?
http://youtu.be/X3CZvyjqDb0

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 17, 2013 01:57 PM (Gyp4x)

172 guido

with your nic and you are a gun newbie?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 17, 2013 01:57 PM (GVxQo)

173 Both her and Tea Party nutball Scottie Hughes were on CNN's Piers
Morgan Tonight to make baseless attacks about gun regulations and to
make fools of themselves on national television.

****

Piers hs already got that making a fool of himself on national television down, he needs no help there.

P.S. It should be "Both SHE and Tea Party nutball . . . ." It is the nominative case, the subject of the sentence.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 17, 2013 01:57 PM (XUKZU)

174 Her advice column included tips and ettiquette for both men and women. "If he buys you dinner, dear, you at least owe him a blow job."

I explained "date" math to liberal female co-worker and she was always horrified at the idea.

Posted by: gigg at January 17, 2013 01:58 PM (41VCE)

175 No Nevergiveup, she won't even let you eat a decent meal now.

Posted by: Jean at January 17, 2013 01:58 PM (QDOGk)

176 Thanks, AtC, any 'ette would be proud to stay in Alextopia. BTW, that battle flag is WHIPstitched, is it not?

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wilde Wrepublican Wench at January 17, 2013 01:58 PM (rbL3r)

177 Barry can spew whatever lie he wants. And people will never here that it's a lie because the CM (communist media) will not inform us otherwise.

As for Dana and Piers, she should just ask him to answer one question. How would Americans protect themselves from a police state? Any answer he gives would be foolish.

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 17, 2013 01:59 PM (ATdet)

178 143 Ahhh, that's a nicely cut jib. You may sleep inside in alextopia. Here. Have BC's pallet.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 17, 2013 01:48 PM (VtjlW)



The hell?!??? I've been good!

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 17, 2013 01:59 PM (dQw/H)

179
You'll only taste 40% of my...

Now open up.

Posted by: MJ at January 17, 2013 01:59 PM (vl5mg)

180 here=hear sheesh

Posted by: Lady in Black at January 17, 2013 01:59 PM (ATdet)

181 2nd Amendment Absolutionis

No results found for Absolutionistid you mean Abolitionist?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Absolutionist?s=ts


Apparently illiteracy leads to testosterone deficiency. Read up, morons.


Posted by: HeatherRadish™ #NukeIowaCity at January 17, 2013 01:55 PM (ZKzrr)

Or "absolutists"? Or maybe an accidental slip into Klingon.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 17, 2013 02:00 PM (XUKZU)

182 If Presdent Obama could convince the world to get rid of guns, then we would have no more wars and everyone would be able to do more constructive stuff with their time.


I don't know, I seem to have reached a lovely balance of work, range time, WoW time and fapping.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 17, 2013 02:00 PM (VtjlW)

183 Just popped in to Gander Mountain here in Rochester NY - They have stopped all handgun sales and will be shipping them out, citing State instructions.
Posted by: Bigby's Cold Dead Hands at January 17, 2013 01:45 PM (70Yu+)


-----------------------------------------------


Good. The companies will be re-shipping them to OK and TX. More for us.

Sucks to be a NYer, huh?

MOVE!

Posted by: Soona at January 17, 2013 02:00 PM (RFrso)

184 >>>BTW, for any and all marriage proposals, the words, "Diamonds large and furs long" should be your guide.

40% of this people aren't even wearing pants right now.

BTW, how much for the Colt Python?

Posted by: Fritz at January 17, 2013 02:00 PM (w3+gB)

185 Or "absolutists"? Or maybe an accidental slip into Klingon.

---

Qa'pla!

Posted by: M'Chelle at January 17, 2013 02:01 PM (e0xKF)

186 BCochran, its that step-stool comment. Remember that?

AlextheChick, ever find that picture of a Raptor in a smoking jacket?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 17, 2013 02:01 PM (Gyp4x)

187 107 Please don't. Start with a shotgun or a .22 rifle. Starting with a pistol is like learning to drive in a skid steer. There is a lot to learn, and that gun is a poor choice.
Posted by: Jean at January 17, 2013 01:38 PM (xBps2)


Yeah, I kind of thought as much. It just seemed like a cool concept. Whaddya want; I've only fired pistols in movies.

Ruger 10/22 or Mini 14 might be the one. If I can find one!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 17, 2013 02:01 PM (XkWWK)

188 ....Background Check?

King Clusterfuck is awfully concerned about 'background checks'...for a guy who slipped into the White House without one.

Posted by: wheatie at January 17, 2013 02:01 PM (fH4X9)

189 Good. The companies will be re-shipping them to OK and TX. More for us. Sucks to be a NYer, huh? MOVE!
Posted by: Soona at January 17, 2013 02:00 PM (RFrso)
-
Beat me to it.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 17, 2013 02:01 PM (RdmnV)

190 He LIES!

Posted by: Joe Wilson at January 17, 2013 02:02 PM (qusWn)

191 no worries there, soona

Posted by: Bigby's Cold Dead Hands at January 17, 2013 02:02 PM (70Yu+)

192 BTW, that battle flag is WHIPstitched, is it not?
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wilde Wrepublican Wench at January 17, 2013 01:58 PM (rbL3r)



Mais naturellement!


The hell?!??? I've been good!
Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 17, 2013 01:59 PM (dQw/H)



Now, now, now it's your fault that she's better.


Though you have been good, this is true. Hmmmm. Fine, fine, fine. *waves paw imperially* You may have that pile of rags over there.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 17, 2013 02:02 PM (VtjlW)

193 I see my big disconnect with the Left, here I thought war was mankind's most constructive time.

Posted by: Jean at January 17, 2013 02:02 PM (QDOGk)

194
I don't know, I seem to have reached a lovely balance of work, range time, WoW time and fapping.

LOL

I also fired up WOW for a minute last night. I am on the right server, but what about fanctions? I am not clear on how that works in WOW.

Posted by: gigg at January 17, 2013 02:02 PM (41VCE)

195 "NBA vs NFL

36 have been accused of spousal abuse.

7 have been arrested for fraud.

19 have been accused of writing bad checks.

117 have either directly or indirectly bankrupted 2 businesses.

3 have done time for assault.

71 cannot get a credit card due to bad credit.

14 have been arrested for drug related charges.

8 have been arrested for shoplifting.

21 are currently defendants in some type of lawsuit.

84 have been arrested for DUI withing the past 12 months.

Which organization is it, the MBA or the NFL?

Can you guess which organization it is?
NBA or NFL?"

http://tinyurl.com/bes398a

The answer is here at "Soda Head"

Posted by: Caustic at January 17, 2013 02:02 PM (/b8+5)

196 Soona:

This will be defeated if taken to the Supreme Court. The gall of these fucking people is unbelievable.

7 bullets, are you fucking kidding me??

Assault weapons ban expiring means they are done. AR-15 most popular rifle means they are done. Crime going down big time after expiration of assault weapons ban, done.

Or at least they should be and Heller makes it clear. The citizens of New York should fight this tooth and nail.

Posted by: Prescient11 at January 17, 2013 02:02 PM (tVTLU)

197 Posted by: Jaws at January 17, 2013 01:50 PM (4I3Uo)

The Judge is fun to shoot, just not very practical unless you are using certain ammo. Go to youtube, look up Hickok45's review of the Judge. Most people I know either use it as a bedside gun loaded with PDX or use it as a snake gun.

This all brings up another point: for the next Sunday Gun Thread, Hickok45 and his videos need to be featured.

Posted by: Country Singer at January 17, 2013 02:02 PM (L8r/r)

198 So, what is a “military-style assault weapon?”

A sword could be “military-style assault weapon"

Posted by: Hannibal Lecter, M.D. at January 17, 2013 02:02 PM (e8kgV)

199 189
....Background Check?



King Clusterfuck is awfully concerned about 'background checks'...for a guy who slipped into the White House without one.




Thread. Winner.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 17, 2013 02:02 PM (UOM48)

200 King Clusterfuck is awfully concerned about 'background checks'...for a guy who slipped into the White House without one.



Posted by: wheatie at January 17, 2013 02:01 PM (fH4X9)


Ohhhhh... SNAP!

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 17, 2013 02:03 PM (lZBBB)

201 *Ugh fanctions = factions

Posted by: gigg at January 17, 2013 02:03 PM (41VCE)

202 ($) ($)

Posted by: teej at January 17, 2013 02:03 PM (pozvt)

203
I don't know, I seem to have reached a lovely balance of work, range time, WoW time and fapping.

Sometimes I wonder why you even have a Pleasure Guard.

Posted by: An AtC Minion at January 17, 2013 02:03 PM (KdKY7)

204 We'll never learn the truth about this!

Posted by: 99% of the People Who Heard The Lie at January 17, 2013 02:04 PM (H84UO)

205 Here's a stat for you. 12,000 gun homicides in a population of 311,000,000 = 00.0039 % of being killed by a gun homicide. Chances we'll go even farther in debt this year 100%.

Obama: "Look a squirrel! I think he's armed."

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at January 17, 2013 02:04 PM (SzAZ7)

206
We should be screaming..."You first, mr. president!"

Posted by: wheatie at January 17, 2013 02:05 PM (fH4X9)

207 197 i believe they will do only getting started. remember this was written and passed very quickly.

not all shops are doing this. gander is. they suxxor

Posted by: Bigby's Cold Dead Hands at January 17, 2013 02:05 PM (70Yu+)

208
As a gun newbie, I was just looking at a pistol that fires .410 shot and .45 cal bullets (Taurus, I think). I want one.





Posted by: J.J. Sefton


For you gun noobs and for anyone else that doesn't know, www.boxotruth.com is the single best source for terminal ballistics at the practical level.

The Judge sucks balls. Not a great .45, and the 410 can't do shit from a 3 or 4 inch barrel.

Avoid at all costs. It's a crappy gimmick.

Some of Taurus' new semi-auto offerings don't look too bad, but I have not shot them or seen many reviews

Posted by: imp at January 17, 2013 02:05 PM (UaxA0)

209 So your saying no blow job?

Spits. Doesn't swallow. Lib doesn't know that a real lady never spits.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 17, 2013 02:06 PM (GFM2b)

210 AlextheChick, ever find that picture of a Raptor in a smoking jacket?
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 17, 2013 02:01 PM (Gyp4x)



I was misremembering, it's smoking a pipe, not in a smoking jacket. But perhaps I've said too much.


http://youtu.be/lNDiZGdDBcI

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 17, 2013 02:06 PM (VtjlW)

211 I explained "date" math to liberal female co-worker and she was always horrified at the idea. Posted by: gigg at January 17, 2013 01:58 PM (41VCE) So many girls never had someone sit down and explain the ettiquette of when it's proper to inconspicuously spit or demurley swallow. It's a shame no one goes to finishing school anymore.

Posted by: jwest at January 17, 2013 02:06 PM (ZDsRL)

212 Hmmmm.... that brings up an interesting question...

As we KNOW Obama has used a false Social Security number in the past... Could he pass a Gun Background Check?

Enquiring minds want to know!

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 17, 2013 02:06 PM (lZBBB)

213 I've been through a WH background check. Passed with flying colors.

I doubt TFG would have passed a check to walk across the parking lot from the Eisenhower offices.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 17, 2013 02:07 PM (UOM48)

214 So, what is a “military-style assault weapon?”A sword could be “military-style assault weapon"
Posted by: Hannibal Lecter, M.D. at January 17, 2013 02:02 PM (e8kgV)


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Hmmmm. Let's hold that thought.

Posted by: Baraka the Hussein at January 17, 2013 02:07 PM (RFrso)

215 Start with a shotgun or a .22 rifle.

***

The Ruger 10/22 is a nice (evil) semi-automatic .22 caliber rifle that is cheap, fun, and easy to shoot. It's my second favorite way to bang.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 17, 2013 02:07 PM (XUKZU)

216 As we KNOW Obama has used a false Social Security number in the past... Could he pass a Gun Background Check?

---

I don't think he could pass the piss test to clean toilets at McDonald's.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 17, 2013 02:07 PM (e0xKF)

217 gateway pundit linked to this in a piece about pinhead piers moron:
http:/ /www.tanksforsale. co. uk/
(take out the spaces

Posted by: mallfly at January 17, 2013 02:07 PM (bJm7W)

218 I am a big fan of jury nullification. Under voir dire, it is important, however, to not mention that to the judge.


Posted by: Al at January 17, 2013 02:07 PM (V70Uh)

219 As we KNOW Obama has used a false Social Security number in the past... Could he pass a Gun Background Check?

He doesn't need one. He gave himself life-long armed bodyguards at our expense earlier this month.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ #NukeIowaCity at January 17, 2013 02:07 PM (ZKzrr)

220 188, look for a lever action .357, you can shoot .38 and .357 from it, use the same rounds in your future handgun (with lots of testing to get a matched set), and it might be the only thing left for sale in NY, might. Someone should come out with a mag tube block to make it NY legal soon.

A 10/22 with a small mag and no configuration options isn't much fun, and I'm not a Mini-14 fan at all.

Posted by: Jean at January 17, 2013 02:08 PM (uPUrh)

221 Let me get this straight. Ace is surprised that the left lies?


Can me shocked!


http://tinyurl.com/29lgdu5



Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 17, 2013 02:08 PM (wR+pz)

222 (41VCE) So many girls never had someone sit down and explain the ettiquette of when it's proper to inconspicuously spit or demurley swallow. It's a shame no one goes to finishing school anymore.

I was thinking more along the lines. of 3rd date at a nice place the dude deserves at least a quick handy

Posted by: gigg at January 17, 2013 02:09 PM (41VCE)

223 >>>So, what is a “military-style assault weapon?”

I hereby decree all AR15 made for civilian use be finished in dark blue and use a wooden stock! There the threat of violence has finally been eliminated.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 17, 2013 02:09 PM (0q2P7)

224 199 So, what is a “military-style assault weapon?”

A sword could be “military-style assault weapon"


Posted by: Hannibal Lecter, M.D. at January 17, 2013 02:02 PM (e8kgV)


/Looks at the sword collection hanging on his wall.... and the framed photo from a National 5 Men Team Elizabethan Fencing Tourney win...

Well.... sorta depends on the skill of the user....

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 17, 2013 02:09 PM (lZBBB)

225 213 Hmmmm.... that brings up an interesting question...
As we KNOW Obama has used a false Social Security number in the past... Could he pass a Gun Background Check?
Enquiring minds want to know!

----------

And do these new 'Universal Background Checks' include...

--- Passport records? Travel records?

--- Aliases and other Names used?

Posted by: wheatie at January 17, 2013 02:10 PM (fH4X9)

226 Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 17, 2013 02:09 PM (0q2P7)

Paint it PINK.... cause no real military would use a Pink Gun! Ergo... it cannot be a 'Military Style" Assault Weapon!

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 17, 2013 02:10 PM (lZBBB)

227 I was thinking more along the lines. of 3rd date at a nice place the dude deserves at least a quick handy
Posted by: gigg at January 17, 2013 02:09 PM (41VCE)


I've got 2 daughters and all the "dude" deserves is to leave my house breathing? And that's a maybe

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 17, 2013 02:11 PM (9Bj8R)

228 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 17, 2013 02:01 PM (XkWWK)

Go with a 10/22...or even better, a single-shot .22LR rifle. Learn and practice fundamental skills until they are second nature (sight picture, breath control, etc). Then transition to bigger and better things. And learn with iron sights, not optics!

Posted by: Country Singer at January 17, 2013 02:11 PM (L8r/r)

229 I was thinking more along the lines. of 3rd date at a nice place the dude deserves at least a quick handy
Posted by: gigg at January 17, 2013 02:09 PM (41VCE)


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Before or during dinner?

Posted by: Soona at January 17, 2013 02:11 PM (RFrso)

230 Perhaps you have said too much there AlextheChick. Raptor commits Sin #1 of all evil overlords, explain plan to victims.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 17, 2013 02:12 PM (Gyp4x)

231 Posted by: WalrusRex at January 17, 2013 02:07 PM (XUKZU)

The .22 Target pistols are great ways to start handguns... cheap ammo, accurate, and not enough 'kick' to be hard to handle (thus setting up better habits later for larger calibers)...

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 17, 2013 02:13 PM (lZBBB)

232 Perhaps you have said too much there AlextheChick. Raptor commits Sin #1 of all evil overlords, explain plan to victims.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 17, 2013 02:12 PM (Gyp4x)



He did start monologuing.


Also nood.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 17, 2013 02:13 PM (VtjlW)

233
I'm beginning to think that there is a need for an update of the Emily Post book on etiquette.

Perhaps it could be a "Ace of Spades Guide to Manners in the 21st Century".

We certainly have enough expertise collected here to cover all the bases.

Posted by: jwest at January 17, 2013 02:14 PM (ZDsRL)

234
The Ruger 10/22 is a nice (evil) semi-automatic .22 caliber rifle that is cheap, fun, and easy to shoot. It's my second favorite way to bang.Posted by: WalrusRex at January 17, 2013 02:07 PM (XUKZU)
Exactly. and i wish anyone had one in stock..shit. missed the boat on this. None at Wally or Bass Pro. Online GunBroker, at $300 plus when it's a $240 gun.

Posted by: Guido at January 17, 2013 02:14 PM (XLuH2)

235 Hhmmm - King of the Nerds
http://www.nerdking.net/

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 17, 2013 02:15 PM (Gyp4x)

236 A high capacity magazine = a magazine holding enough bullets to get the job done +1.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at January 17, 2013 02:17 PM (SzAZ7)

237 I've got 2 daughters and all the "dude" deserves is to leave my house breathing? And that's a maybe

LOL agreed

I only made that up to horrify a liberal wingnut with 3 kids by 3 daddies. Trust me she should have been more versed in handys.

Posted by: gigg at January 17, 2013 02:18 PM (41VCE)

238 The .22 Target pistols are great ways to start handguns... cheap ammo, accurate, and not enough 'kick' to be hard to handle

(thus setting up better habits later for larger calibers)...

Agreed. Sucks starting out on a .357 mag as your 1st pistol.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 17, 2013 02:19 PM (GFM2b)

239 2013 02:07 PM (XUKZU)
Exactly. and i wish anyone had one in stock..shit. missed the boat on this. None at Wally or Bass Pro. Online GunBroker, at $300 plus when it's a $240 gun.

I know that sucks! I was gonna troll my local BPS and Gander mountain hope I get lucky this weekend.

Posted by: gigg at January 17, 2013 02:20 PM (41VCE)

240 I know that sucks! I was gonna troll my local BPS and Gander mountain hope I get lucky this weekend. gigg at January 17, 2013 02:20 PM (41VCE)Good luck gigg. Timing is everything in this market. There are plenty of stories about people who walk into a store just as a shipment comes in from Ruger. Or maybe those stories are now urban legend! lol! I'll be looking toby:

Posted by: Guido at January 17, 2013 02:24 PM (XLuH2)

241 Oh caustic you simple headed little dolt.... Bless your heart.... You are years behind ..... That's been floating around for years....this is merely an updated list . And by yrs I mean over a decade ... I thought you were two days ahead of the news cycle? Regress much?

Posted by: phoenixgirl so done with the GOP at January 17, 2013 02:28 PM (GVxQo)

242 The country will miss sound judgement like that.

Posted by: jwest at January 17, 2013 01:52 PM (ZDsRL)

Blah, WoW... Fire up Planetside 2 instead. Combined Arms warfare with hundreds of players, hmm hmmmm.

Posted by: KG at January 17, 2013 02:31 PM (p7BzH)

243 Some of Taurus' new semi-auto offerings don't look too bad, but I have not shot them or seen many reviews
Posted by: imp at January 17, 2013 02:05 PM (UaxA0)

I own the Taurus PT-92, which is more or less a clone of the Baretta 92 military standard 9mm. Braztech was contracted by Baretta at one time to fulfill its Brazillian military orders, and bought the licensing necessary to make the PT-92. It's a marvelous pistol, one of the best I own. Hundreds of rounds downrange without a single FTF. Exceedingly accurate.

I saw box-of-truth's Judge review, and tend to disagree with his conclusions. In my view, the Judge is clearly, obviouslyan up-close and personal weapon, and a center mass hit using.410 double-or triple buck or .45 LC at 5 yards or lesswould make for adevastating wound. The concept is old-news, though. Cobray was making those (albeit primitive and poorly fitted) hand-held .410 derringers back in the 90's.

Posted by: troyriser at January 17, 2013 02:42 PM (vtiE6)

244 The only background check required on me is to see that i am an American. Methinks criminals have paid their debt to society. Let them have guns, too. If they are dangerous to society, then don't let them out.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 17, 2013 02:42 PM (UyeCW)

245 "Another source of guns for the underground economy consists of unregulated secondary market sales, estimated to be on the order of 2 to 3 million per year (Cook and Ludwig, 1996). Organised gun shows appear to account for just a small share of all secondary market transactions, including those involving criminals (Wright and Rossi, 1994; Cook and Ludwig, 1996). In addition to secondary market sales, guns may be loaned out among friends and relatives." (p. 561)

From
Underground Gun Markets, The Economic Journal, 117 (November), F558–F588. Authors Philip J. Cook, Jens Ludwig, Sudhir Venkatesh and Anthony A. Braga
Complete manuscript at:
http://home.uchicago.edu/~ludwigj/papers/EJ_gun_markets_2007.pdf

Posted by: wg at January 17, 2013 02:57 PM (IaGpl)

246 Cleavage:

http://is.gd/dpux47

Posted by: David (NOT Dave!), infamous sockpuppet at January 17, 2013 02:59 PM (VG3nO)

247 If we use 2-3 million as a baseline for non-FFL transfers during the last couple of years, then we can use NIC checks as a rough estimate about these numbers.

Using an average of 2008-2012 NIC's checks which average about 12 million potential gun sales during that time, then non-FFL tranfers represent 16-25 percent of all transfers at most. Some of those transfers involve CR license holders which do not have to go through the background check system because they are licensees. Informal transfers such as gifts, inheritance, loans, also represent a fairly large percentage of those remaining. Let us say about half of the 2-3 million transfers are totally legal. Thus, perhaps 500,000 (the estimate in the article above of stolen weapons per year) plus 500,000-1 million transfers between relative strangers occur.--of these transfers, a certain percentage is between straw buyers and ineligibles. Since transferring a firearm to a known disqualified person is a felony already, these transfers will take place anyway regardless of supposedly including them in a background check. This would simply add another penalty to someone who already is disregarding the law.

My lazy swag guess is roughly 500,000 to 1 million transfers occur that are illegal in nature. Selling stolen firearms is a crime, straw buying guns for ineligibles is a crime. Thus, the only supposed benefit of expanded NIC checks is to catch stranger to stranger legal sales that will subsequently be used in a crime. This might actually affect a relatively small number of crimes by discouraging such sales. A far easier task would be allow gun sellers of private sales to use form 4473 for buyers and copies given to the buyer and kept by the seller, the other might be voluntary access to the NIC phone system for individuals to clear transactions. Many sellers in my neck of the woods, require buyers to have a concealed carry permit and a driver's license to make the sale despite no legal requirement to do so.

Posted by: wg at January 17, 2013 03:22 PM (IaGpl)

248 7 Ace, this is OT real soon but this is major.

Sec. of Treasury Geithener has tapped the federal employee pension plan for billions to avert government shutdown unless the debt ceiling is raised.
http://news.yahoo.com/us-taps-pension-fund-avoid-211937220.html
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 17, 2013 01:14 PM (Gyp4x)

My 'give-a-fuck-o-meter' is registering 0 on this. Screw these bastards - they aren't just 'doing their jobs'. They are breaking the Constitution in doing shit that the Federal Government isn't allowed to do.

Posted by: blindside at January 17, 2013 03:28 PM (x7g7t)

249 I'm betting this makes Politifact's LIE OF THE YEAR list. Oh... wait... nevermind.

Posted by: Sam In VA at January 17, 2013 03:29 PM (YCvRs)

250 Posted by: phoenixgirl so done with the GOP at January 17, 2013 02:28 PM (GVxQo)

You are very odd.

The point being made is that someone is capitalizing on this scandal with the Notre Dame player by re releasing this and having it go viral via email. Therefore, individuals may be seeing this for the first time, in an email, generally from someone using the office email system.

Posted by: Caustic at January 17, 2013 03:39 PM (/b8+5)






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