Kathryn Bigelow Apologizes for Ambiguous Reference Made in Film

It's a cherished belief among the artistic/faux-intellectual set that they are brave seekers of truth, and, furthermore, are comfortable with doubt. That is to say, they acknowledge that life is often confusing and knowledge is elusive, but they are brave enough not to dispel that doubt through fictions like (to their minds) religion and crude ideologies. They've even seized upon a (misused) philosophical term to explain the behavior of those they define themselves against, those who are so wigged out by doubt and ambiguity they seal their minds off from any information that contradicts their simple ideological storyline: "epistemological closure." Google it. Liberals love writing about it and accusing the right of suffering from it.

Meanwhile, they praise themselves by employing other neologisms to describe their elevated intellectual state, such as "integrative complexity."

Other flatteries they bestow upon themselves include the cherished notion that they seek information and art that "challenges" beliefs and assumptions, and are comfortable with -- nay, excited by -- such challenging art, and that they enjoy "nuanced" art full of contradictions and complexities unlike the inbred hillbillies who require very crude morality plays of white hats and black hats, where the author intrudes in a very ham-fisted way to explain what is Right and what is Wrong.

None of these things, of course, are remotely true, as continues to be demonstrated by the left wing continuing to bash Kathryn Bigelow for treating the issue of enhanced interrogations ambiguously; she's been forced (as Gabe noted earlier) to essentially write a defense of her film.

Her sin -- for which she's been repeatedly criticized, and denied an Oscar nomination for -- consists of not taking any strong position on enhanced interrogation in her film, neither repudiating it nor championing it. As I understand it, an enhanced interrogation is depicted in the film, in the general flow of events leading up to the execution of bin Ladin, but the interrogation is not shown as providing any crucial information towards that goal. Thus, her sin appears to be permitting audience members to infer that critical information resulted from the enhanced interrogation, if that was their inclination, rather than explicitly stating "This waterboarding resulted in no good information whatsoever."

As I understand it, her depiction of the enhanced interrogation also permits the inference that the waterboarding resulted in no good intelligence, and was therefore a moral sin which cannot even be redeemed by utilitarian ends-justify-the-means considerations.

So she found an point over which people can and do argue, and depicted it in that way-- as something the audience could argue about later.

In other words, she's being attacked for doing precisely what the left claims it's in favor of -- being comfortable with ambiguity and inference and multiple interpretations. And she's being attacked for not doing what the left claims it hates, and which only a blinkered right-wing religious robot would do: Inserting a ham-fisted shouting-voiced Moral of the Story in which the film makes it clear that Waterboarding is Bad, Always, and Don't Do Nothing Good, Ever.

The left is also contradicting their claim that they're just about "challenging assumptions" and above inserting crude overt political messages; Bigelow's leftist critics demand precisely that. They've decided that Waterboarding is Bad, Always, and Don't Do Nothing Good, Ever, and they insist upon "art" that faithfully regurgitates this political message upon command.

In fact, while there are some who do claim that Waterboarding is Bad, Always, no less an authority than former CIA director and lifelong Democrat and Clinton aide Leon Panetta says enhanced interrogations did in fact aid in the killing of bin Ladin.

Thus, while the left has chosen, as usual, to attempt to win an argument not by having an argument about implications and ethics but by denying facts (did you know, for example, that there were no Soviet agents in the State Department at all when Joseph McCarthy was claiming there were?), Bigelow has already nodded to their article of faith by keeping things ambiguous, but didn't nod further to claim that which appears completely untrue. That is to say, she met them halfway and avoided stating affirmatively that waterboarding led to important information, but she would not go all the way over to endorse their factually-false position that Waterboarding is Bad, Always, and Don't Do No Good, Ever, and for that she's being pilloried.

The left is extremely Stalinist and Orwellian about its blatant efforts to influence the future by rewriting the past. The truth seems to mean nothing at all to them; the "truth" is just a lie we mutually agree upon, they believe, so we might as well change history (and science) to make a Better Truth.

It's egregious. At the end of the day, no matter what your ideology or your background or your religious beliefs, the truth should mean something important to you, and honesty should be an apolitical virtue.

I'm beginning to realize something horrifying: The West seemed to win the Cold War, but in fact the Stalinists won where it matters, in the mind, and therefore, in history, or at least in history as we mutually agree it should be. The subversive left's project of fighting for Soviet Russia, employing all its viciously dishonest tricks and manipulations, continues unabated.

Someone Had to Say It:

In Soviet Russia, the epistemology closes you.

-- wooga

Well actually someone didn't have to say it; that was a pretty clever way to turn the phrase.

Posted by: Ace at 03:34 PM



Comments

1 ace there is an andrew breitbart on the other thread , starts at 108 i believe.
might want to thwak it.

Posted by: ette at January 16, 2013 03:36 PM (nqBYe)

2 "epistemological closure." ...?

I believe that is covered under my ZeroCare law.
All ob/gyn doctors must provide this for free!

Posted by: King Zero Dark Squirty at January 16, 2013 03:36 PM (fH4X9)

3 I don't care what anyone says. That 18 minute sequence in the Bin Laden compound is the best sequence in movie history. Period.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at January 16, 2013 03:36 PM (wbmaj)

4 Yes, send Jim Dandy away...

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 16, 2013 03:37 PM (kXoT0)

5 The truth seems to mean nothing at all to them; the "truth" is just a lie we mutually agree upon, they believe, so we might as well change history (and science) to make a Better Truth.


The triumph of Derrida and Foucault.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 16, 2013 03:37 PM (VtjlW)

6 The Soviet Union collapsed, but that doesn't meant that theWest won the Cold War.It probably will not. The Soviet fifth columns could still end up the winner. Read Oleg Gordievsky.

Posted by: DenverGregg at January 16, 2013 03:37 PM (5tPx9)

7 The Left knows their base should never be allowed to think for themselves.

Posted by: tasker at January 16, 2013 03:37 PM (r2PLg)

8 I'm beginning to realize something horrifying: The West seemed
to win the Cold War, but in fact the Stalinists won where it matters, in
the mind, and therefore, in history, or at least in history as we
mutually agree it should be. The subversive left's project of fighting
for Soviet Russia, employing all its viciously dishonest tricks and
manipulations, continues unabated.




Don't forget: Mooch told us during Barky's first campaign that our country would "need to change our history and traditions."


Wonder what she meant about that? *taps chin*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 16, 2013 03:38 PM (UOM48)

9 The left is so ideological rigid i am kinda surprised the film has not been withdrawn and re-written to satisfy the left wing masses?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2013 03:38 PM (jE38p)

10 The left has double standards?

Who knew???

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at January 16, 2013 03:38 PM (zpqa2)

11 Yes, please whack the troll at 108. You have a fan, Ace.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 16, 2013 03:39 PM (UOM48)

12 Now we know why the movie was delayed--not enough Obama cheerleading and Liberal Talking Points.

Posted by: tasker at January 16, 2013 03:39 PM (r2PLg)

13 Who?

What?


Huh?!

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at January 16, 2013 03:39 PM (SSWdi)

14 There have been a lot of people in the know who have said that waterboarding did lead to considerable intelligence finds.


The only people who say it hasn't are idiots.

Posted by: Vic at January 16, 2013 03:39 PM (53z96)

15 ace, as with information it is not only in the rewiting but inthe denial to their constiuents themselves of the reality

renidition still exists, illegal war has now Actually happened.
assassination of 'chosen' americans on lists is now Legal.

war is ok now. just because.

These things are no longer told about as There g-d is in power.

who interned japanese?
who was kkk?
lincoln is now a Dem

Posted by: ette at January 16, 2013 03:39 PM (nqBYe)

16 Yes, please whack the troll at 108. You have a fan, Ace.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 16, 2013 03:39 PM (UOM4
Besides that he was rude to the 'ettes.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 16, 2013 03:40 PM (kXoT0)

17 Jim Dandy--"Someone excellent of their kind"--Does that mean this troll is an excellent asshole?

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at January 16, 2013 03:40 PM (wbmaj)

18 >>>Read Oleg Gordievsky.

I'll do that. I'm on a spy kick and am looking for stuff to read.

Posted by: ace at January 16, 2013 03:40 PM (LCRYB)

19 oh and who wrote legislation that led to the financial crash?

Posted by: ette at January 16, 2013 03:40 PM (nqBYe)

20 their g-d. *

Posted by: ette at January 16, 2013 03:40 PM (nqBYe)

21 Yup, somewhere Putin and Jintao are high fiving each other, Gramsci's long march thru the institutions finally paid off in spades.

Posted by: Bob in Houston at January 16, 2013 03:40 PM (fJoZd)

22 I can't wait for the Blu-Ray release with the extra footage showing the Navy Seal who shot Bin Laden pulling off his balaclava only to reveal.....dun dun dun....TFG!!!

Posted by: EC at January 16, 2013 03:41 PM (GQ8sn)

23 Other flatteries they bestow upon themselves include the cherished
notion that they seek information and art that "challenges" beliefs and
assumptions, and are comfortable with -- nay, excited by -- such
challenging art, and that they enjoy "nuanced" art full of
contradictions and complexities unlike the inbred hillbillies who
require very crude morality plays of white hats and black hats, where
the author intrudes in a very ham-fisted way to explain what is Right
and what is Wrong.



Bullseye. Our intellectual betters, encapsulated brilliantly by an Ewok.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 16, 2013 03:41 PM (QKKT0)

24 The left is extremely Stalinist and Orwellian about its blatant efforts to influence the future by rewriting the past.

------

We’re going to have to change our conversation, we’re going to have to
change our traditions, our history and we’re going to have to move to a
different place.

-Michelle Obama - Our First Lady 2009

Posted by: fixerupper at January 16, 2013 03:42 PM (nELVU)

25 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 16, 2013 03:42 PM (/eBe8)

26 >>>The West seemed to win the Cold War

We think that. Your children's children won't. Unless we make some serious changes....soon.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 16, 2013 03:42 PM (0q2P7)

27 That is to say, she met them halfway and avoided stating affirmatively that waterboarding led to important information, but she would not go all the way over to endorse their factually-false position that Waterboarding is Bad, Always, and Don't Do No Good, Ever, and for that she's being pilloried.


Waterboard her ass.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 16, 2013 03:42 PM (GFM2b)

28 Panetta does come across pretty well in the movie. No harm in that. The Seals steal the show--as well they should. God bless them all.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at January 16, 2013 03:42 PM (wbmaj)

29 There a new TV series coming on called "The Russians", about Soviet sleeper cells in America circa 1981. The producer is on record saying that the show is asking viewers to "root for the Soviets", as enough time has passed to allow a look at our country from the enemy point of view.
You're right, they never stop.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at January 16, 2013 03:42 PM (YmPwQ)

30 19 oh and who wrote legislation that led to the financial crash?

Yep...and who sued Citibank to make subprime loans, thereby sending shockwaves out to other banks to follow suit?

Posted by: wheatie at January 16, 2013 03:43 PM (fH4X9)

31 It's required for us to apologize to them, for everything. It starts in the school system, and it started a loooong time ago. We should be ashamed of being on the Right, and it's seen as some sort of moral defect. We are guilty of thought-crime, by default. And it's working well. I give you Kathryn Bigelow, thought criminal.

Posted by: tubal at January 16, 2013 03:43 PM (BoE3Z)

32 I can't wait for the Blu-Ray release with the extra
footage showing the Navy Seal who shot Bin Laden pulling off his
balaclava only to reveal.....dun dun dun....TFG!!! Posted by: EC at January 16, 2013 03:41 PM (GQ8sn)

Nope, it was Moochillini, she is the one with the muscles and the attitude. Navy Seals do not wear Mom jeans and wear bicycle helmets while riding a girls bike.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 16, 2013 03:43 PM (kXoT0)

33 So, they're blasting her because she's NOT taking a political stand? That's what I WANT FROM HOLLYWOOD.

I give a flying fuck what your political beliefs are. Keep them to yourselves and just fucking ENTERTAIN ME.

Posted by: © Sponge at January 16, 2013 03:43 PM (xmcEQ)

34 Projection is a technique mastered by liberals. Anything they accuse you of, you know they indulge in.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 16, 2013 03:43 PM (GfHSl)

35 The West seemed to win the Cold War, but in fact the Stalinists
won where it matters, in the mind, and therefore, in history, or at
least in history as we mutually agree it should be.


Stalinists did lose, but we haven't won. No shortage of commies and their ilk, there is no end.

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at January 16, 2013 03:43 PM (FzhYM)

36 "I'm beginning to realize something horrifying: The West seemed to win the Cold War, but in fact the Stalinists won where it matters..."



I started to come to this realization only recently myself. The left is far more advanced in terms of tactics than their ham-handed European counterparts.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 16, 2013 03:43 PM (ROv35)

37 giggling i guess i was agreeing with ace's post..

nevermind

Posted by: ette at January 16, 2013 03:43 PM (nqBYe)

38 I'm beginning to realize something horrifying: The West seemed to win the Cold War, but in fact the Stalinists won where it matters

Ace, I've been saying this for a while...and not as a snarky joke kinda thing.

The Soviet psyops/propaganda was devastatingly effective and continues on auto-pilot on its own.

I've been mentally kinda sketching out a post themed around how we've kinda switched places with the old Soviet Union.

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 16, 2013 03:44 PM (1Cuor)

39 In Soviet Russia, the epistemology closes you.

Posted by: Wooga at January 16, 2013 03:44 PM (lfTEK)

40 The left should just "go soak your head".

Posted by: DaveA at January 16, 2013 03:44 PM (Kr3Y8)

41 I remember when Steven Spielberg got passed over for award after award; He went back and air brushed out all the guns and all the cigarettes from ET.
I expect Bigelow will go back and recut her film to have O'Barry in a scene saying that everything he knows as President of the World tells him waterboarding is torture since she is speaking truth to power and making a bold statement and illuminating society and shit.

Posted by: Daybrother at January 16, 2013 03:44 PM (+paCV)

42 Maybe I need to see this movie. I'm sure the muzzies have already labeled it as American satire.

Posted by: Soona at January 16, 2013 03:45 PM (jnlKI)

43
Exactly Ace, as I've said in the past, they never left...it is going to get worse, they have taken over the Universities, and infected the minds of students with bizarre ideas.

It's just beginning. The media has now tipped their hand with their now-universal acceptance of government ownership.


Posted by: Rev dr E buzz at January 16, 2013 03:45 PM (raGXo)

44 Why would I want to watch a movie about a military engagement that contributed to Obama's being re-elected?

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at January 16, 2013 03:45 PM (Ec6wH)

45 I don't see why anyone should give a flying fluke about the academy awards. They ceased being relevant about how good a movie is many decades ago.

Posted by: Vic at January 16, 2013 03:46 PM (53z96)

46 I read an article in which the author asserts that ZDT subtly notes that there were positive results from waterboarding, you just have to think about it a little.

I.e., the info came by threatening a waterboarded guy with more "interrogation" and so he gave up the information, not by waterboarding, but over lunch.

In any case, you are right about this, Ace. Every single one of the anti-war movies before this, including The Hurt Locker, had to pummel the viewer over the head with the message. Part of the reason why they did so poorly.

Here's the thing: The ham-fisted thing IS effective. Not once or twice but if done continuously. Eventually you internalize the idea that Palin is stupid, Cheney is evil, etc. and you can't say why.

They are moral cowards. When you speak truth to power, the powerful don't give you awards.

It reminds me of the Orwellian name of the Mexican Institutional Revolutionary Party.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 16, 2013 03:46 PM (T0NGe)

47 The Soviet psyops/propaganda was devastatingly effective and continues on auto-pilot on its own.

Well put.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at January 16, 2013 03:46 PM (NF2Bf)

48 Keep them to yourselves and just fucking ENTERTAIN ME.


Posted by: © Sponge at January 16, 2013 03:43 PM (xmcEQ)

This is no longer possible. Just like reporting the facts and allowing people to form their own meaning is no longer possible. The sheeple must be told what things mean, and the proper way of thinking.The culture ist kaput.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at January 16, 2013 03:46 PM (zpqa2)

49 ~ tap tap tap tap tap ~

... yes, Hadji has a gun in his pocket but Hadji is happy to see you as well. Wait... this microphone? It is on? Yes?

and so.

Hello! It is I, Hadji the Muslim Comic, the Comic Islamic, the Muzzeim of Merry, The person who makes you 'Hollah Allah' ... Hadji.

Your President Obama does not like the people to have guns ... this much is clear to Hadji. Hadji has seen this thing before ... the Soviet Union.

Hadji was born a poor Uzbeckistani child.

To make the time good, Hadji's family taught Hadji this joke. It is sure fire way to lift the mood of you.

Why did the chicken cross the road to the poultry farm where it would be processed and turned into a stew for sale to the Apparatchiks?

Because the chicken had given its means of defending itself to the government.

Oh ... wait.

That is not funny.

So, Hadji try another: What has two thumbs and can take your guns while having his thumbs firmly up his bung hole?

With the Obama people you can have your choice.

Thank you thank you thank you thank you.

Hadji is off to practice his gun-smithing. Hadji, he become a triple threat.

The veal is Hallal and the waitresses are ritually unclean. Tip them anyway.

Posted by: Hadji the Muslim Comic at January 16, 2013 03:46 PM (RuUvx)

50
Yep...and who sued Citibank to make subprime loans, thereby sending shockwaves out to other banks to follow suit?



Posted by: wheatie at January 16, 2013 03:43 PM (fH4X9)

and who went to waters, barney , frank and so on during Bush's adm to explain what was going to happen ,

oh yeah they were racist.

Posted by: ette at January 16, 2013 03:46 PM (nqBYe)

51 I've been mentally kinda sketching out a post themed around how we've kinda switched places with the old Soviet Union.


Posted by: @PurpAv at January 16, 2013 03:44 PM (1Cuor)

----
I wrote a short story in Junior High (yes Junior High.... NOT middle school) on that very topic. 1970's.

Whodathunkit was prescient.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 16, 2013 03:46 PM (nELVU)

52 I'm beginning to realize something horrifying: The West seemed
to win the Cold War, but in fact the Stalinists won where it matters, in
the mind, and therefore, in history, or at least in history as we
mutually agree it should be. The subversive left's project of fighting
for Soviet Russia, employing all its viciously dishonest tricks and
manipulations, continues unabated.


Yep. Gramsci was a Stalinist. His long march through the institutions was a tool of subversion in service of world Communism. The only problem for the Soviets was that it took too long to help them in the short run. In the long run, however...

Posted by: joncelli at January 16, 2013 03:46 PM (RD7QR)

53 What's wrong with Stalin?

He was just doing what was necessary to hold his country together in response to famine brought by war and Western imperialism. Without him the Allies wouldn't have defeated the Nazis you know.

Besides, all the myths about Stalin being responsible for the deaths of millions is just right wing propaganda.

Posted by: Every Modern Leftist at January 16, 2013 03:47 PM (SY2Kh)

54 Anyone here think most of the folks bitching the loudest about "torture" wouldn't jump at the chance to tie you or me to ye olde waterboard?

Posted by: Jaws at January 16, 2013 03:47 PM (4I3Uo)

55 and who went to waters, barney , frank and so on during Bush's adm to explain what was going to happen ,

oh yeah they were racist.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 16, 2013 03:47 PM (e0xKF)

56 Ace you are a good thinker and articulater,,,you put some good learning to me.
Unfortunately, for us all, thinking is out of favor. Most don't like it and many cannot do it.
So next time you sit down Ace to scribe some learnin' and thinkin' just know that thinkin' thing no longer wins the day.
What does? How one feels and the obama sound bite of the day...that is all.
Think and scribe all you want...we ain't persuading nobody nohow. Sorry.

Posted by: rukiddingme? at January 16, 2013 03:47 PM (MbeEN)

57 55 and who went to waters, barney , frank and so on during Bush's adm to explain what was going to happen ,

oh yeah they were racist.

---

Hit the button too soon...

What I was going to say was "My own Congresscritter at the time, Rep. Richard Baker, was one of the people pushing for the overhaul of Freddie and Fannie and got called a racist for it."

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 16, 2013 03:48 PM (e0xKF)

58 41 I remember when Steven Spielberg got passed over for award after award; He went back and air brushed out all the guns and all the cigarettes from ET.

Get on that pinball machine!

Posted by: Spielberg and Lucas at January 16, 2013 03:48 PM (lfTEK)

59 That ole Joe McArthy. What a corker!

Posted by: Soona at January 16, 2013 03:48 PM (jnlKI)

60
Unexpected. ho-hum.

Whether one thinks the Stalinists or Maoists "won" the Cold War, is irrelevant.

The disease of Marxist-Leninist - Trostkyist thinking was already deeply imbedded into the Western academy. Marxism is, after all, a "Western" idea, it did not originate in the East, Russia or China or elsewhere.

It is a mode of thinking that is deeply seductive of the faux intellectual, because with little effort or study, it gives them the superficial rhetorical tools to attack tradition, the past, or the institutions of Republican Democracy. Like Obama; a rather shallow and thoughtless Left-wing reactionary. He simply regurgitates all the crap he has been taught by the Leftist crowd he hung out with in his formative years.

The Rules for Radicals by Alinsky are just tactics in this ongoing intellectual struggle; there is no deep thought that went into any of that sort of social action. The fact that Obama and his mouth-breathing followers do these things unthinkingly just shows how deeply imbedded the sick ideas of Marxism are woven into our culture now, and how real small their thinking is.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes...... at January 16, 2013 03:49 PM (RFeQD)

61 Typical leftist bullshit - if we do it, it's "evil", "immoral" or "unethical".... but when they do it, it's "for the children", "national security" or to "protect the public".

The left sucks the Barbed Cock of Satan....

Posted by: Mjölnir, the banhammer from the gates of Hell at January 16, 2013 03:49 PM (Jls4P)

62 I hate talking about episiotomies.

The subversive left's project of fighting for Soviet Russia, employing
all its viciously dishonest tricks and manipulations, continues
unabated.


When the wall came down the globe started heating up.

Posted by: eleven at January 16, 2013 03:49 PM (KXm42)

63 so this film...that was originally going to be an attempted "Happy Birthday mr. President" from Zombie Marilyn Monroe on behalf of Horrywood not feting Giggles more or constantly lying and saying Bush and interrogation sucks is evil?

Damn Horrywood, you should maybe try to whore for us....I at least send flowers.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 03:49 PM (LRFds)

64 ergie, are your posts representative of your putative moral and intellectual superiority?

Because all your posts consist of are unfocused rage and stupidity and insipid provocations.

You, who represent yourself to be superior.

The irony is lost on you, of course; but no one has ever accused you of being a strong thinker -- except you yourself.

Posted by: ace at January 16, 2013 03:50 PM (LCRYB)

65 So the Media drive the zeitgeist and are the greatest threat to this nation's survival?



Seems like i've been saying this all along. (Since 1992 when I first really noticed it.)

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 16, 2013 03:51 PM (bb5+k)

66 58 41 I remember when Steven Spielberg got passed over for award after award; He went back and air brushed out all the guns and all the cigarettes from ET.

Get on that pinball machine!

---

One of the funniest things I can ever remember on TV...

I actually thought Crystal Skull was only underwhelming, not offensively bad, but the visuals of Indiana Jones getting fucked up the ass by those two were HILARIOUS.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 16, 2013 03:51 PM (e0xKF)

67
Joe McCarthy was a piker.

The Leftist's persecution of conservatives is showing us how it's really done.

Posted by: wheatie at January 16, 2013 03:52 PM (fH4X9)

68
Hit the button too soon...



What I was going to say was "My own Congresscritter at the time,
Rep. Richard Baker, was one of the people pushing for the overhaul of
Freddie and Fannie and got called a racist for it."

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 16, 2013 03:48 PM (e0xKF)

uh hmm, because fiscal solvency is hateful and racist.
yes i watched many videos on the arguments, and they always ended up with the same result, You hate the poor and racist!
oh and everything is fine!

Posted by: ette at January 16, 2013 03:52 PM (nqBYe)

69 29 There a new TV series coming on called "The Russians", about Soviet sleeper cells in America circa 1981. The producer is on record saying that the show is asking viewers to "root for the Soviets", as enough time has passed to allow a look at our country from the enemy point of view.
You're right, they never stop.

Oh fuck that! I was hoping it would be good. Yay another actor telling me what a horrible person I am , fuck that.

Posted by: gigg at January 16, 2013 03:52 PM (41VCE)

70 67.

Lotta truth there.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 16, 2013 03:52 PM (nELVU)

71 For the infiltration of commies into our government and media apparatus, Ann Coulter's book, Treason, is excellent. She wrote it before she became so so enamored with the centrists. It also vindicates Joe McCarthy and explains why Hollyweird, et all worked so hard to eviscerate and emasculate him.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 16, 2013 03:52 PM (kXoT0)

72 So when is the movie's red carpet premiere(s) in Cairo, Islamabad, Jakarta, etc?

Posted by: sophocles at January 16, 2013 03:52 PM (Kxz3Y)

73 Marxism is, after all, a "Western" idea, it did not originate in the East, Russia or China or elsewhere.

Marx and Lenin are old dead white guys.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 16, 2013 03:53 PM (T0NGe)

74 The West seemed to win the Cold War, but in fact the Stalinists won where it matters, in the mind, and therefore, in history, or at least in history as we mutually agree it should be. The subversive left's project of fighting for Soviet Russia, employing all its viciously dishonest tricks and manipulations, continues unabated.


Along this line, what are the odds that the new FX series The Americans, which apparently tells the tale of a husband-and-wife team of Soviet spies in the Reagan Era, ends up making the spies look good and decent and making the Reagan administration look evil and corrupt?

I'm just sayin'.

Posted by: The Regular Guy at January 16, 2013 03:53 PM (qHCyt)

75 Saul Alinsky would have taken Joe McCarthy to the mat in 15 seconds. Sad truth.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at January 16, 2013 03:53 PM (wbmaj)

76 I've been mentally kinda sketching out a post themed around how we've kinda switched places with the old Soviet Union.
Posted by: @PurpAv at January 16, 2013 03:44 PM (1Cuor)



This is an excellent point. We are already in an Orwellian universe of regulations. A few years back Boy BFF was working at a healthcare facility that provided pyschiatric care as well. The building was a historic building. In order to meet HIPPA requirements, the records room needed to be locked at all times. The room where the records were kept had to remain unlocked at all times to meet fire code requirements in order to provide access to parallel hallways. There was no way to move the records to another area because that was the only room large enough and no construction could be done due to the historic nature of the building. It was quite literally physically impossible to meet all of the regulations simultaneously. I jokingly suggested digging a tunnel and he replied they actually considered it but couldn't do it because that's where the gas and water mains were.


When they began being fined for non-compliance, not a single entity cared it was impossible. Fuck you, comply and pay me.


See also the fines for failing to use fuel additives that do not exist.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 16, 2013 03:54 PM (VtjlW)

77 @28 Casting Gandolfini as Panetta was pretty good.

Posted by: Thorvald at January 16, 2013 03:54 PM (1V6Pv)

78 "I'm beginning to realize something horrifying: The West seemed
to win the Cold War, but in fact the Stalinists won where it matters, in
the mind, and therefore, in history, or at least in history as we
mutually agree it should be. The subversive left's project of fighting
for Soviet Russia, employing all its viciously dishonest tricks and
manipulations, continues unabated."

_______________________________

Holy shit, he's taken the red pill.

Ever notice how little academic ink has been spilled on the decline and fall of the Soviet Empire? An event that concluded decades of world-shaping in geopolitics and culture merits little more than a footnote. There is probably more ink extant on the "Black Night of Fascism" and blacklisting in the United States than there is on the decline and fall of the Soviet Empire.

I guess some people don't like to be reminded of their team losing.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at January 16, 2013 03:54 PM (mg08E)

79 Joe McCarthy was a piker.

The Leftist's persecution of conservatives is showing us how it's really done.


Projection, projection, it's always projection.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 16, 2013 03:54 PM (T0NGe)

80 Anyone here think most of the folks bitching the loudest about "torture" wouldn't jump at the chance to tie you or me to ye olde waterboard?

Say "they're a gun owner" and watch them fight to be first in line to do it.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 16, 2013 03:54 PM (GFM2b)

81 For the record, in 1933,threemillion Ukranians died of starvation. In that same year, Stalin exportedtwo million tons of wheat from the Ukraine in return for hard currency.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 16, 2013 03:55 PM (GfHSl)

82 I'm beginning to realize something horrifying: The West seemed to win the Cold War, but in fact the Stalinists won where it matters, in the mind, and therefore, in history, or at least in history as we mutually agree it should be. The subversive left's project of fighting for Soviet Russia, employing all its viciously dishonest tricks and manipulations, continues unabated.
___
Acknowledging the problem is the first step to recovery.

Posted by: kallisto at January 16, 2013 03:55 PM (jm/9g)

83 71 For the infiltration of commies into our government and media apparatus, Ann Coulter's book, Treason, is excellent. She wrote it before she became so so enamored with the centrists. It also vindicates Joe McCarthy and explains why Hollyweird, et all worked so hard to eviscerate and emasculate him.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 16, 2013 03:52 PM (kXoT0)

____________________

It's weird how she's hot for Christie.

It wouldn't shock me if he changes parties.

Although I doubt Christie could infiltrate anything.

Posted by: tasker at January 16, 2013 03:55 PM (r2PLg)

84 The producer is on record saying that the show is asking viewers to "root for the Soviets", as enough time has passed to allow a look at our country from the enemy point of view.
***

I guess my question was already answered.

Funny how the "artists" in Hollywood are actually so utterly predictable.

Posted by: The Regular Guy at January 16, 2013 03:55 PM (qHCyt)

85
Yep. Gramsci was a Stalinist. His long march
through the institutions was a tool of subversion in service of world
Communism. The only problem for the Soviets was that it took too long to
help them in the short run. In the long run, however...


Posted by: joncelli at January 16, 2013 03:46 PM (RD7QR)

I would argue that they were assisted by the Tytler cycle. Prosperity made their ideas more plausible. It takes suffering and austerity to understand why communist ideas are so much crap, but we were blessed/cursed with an amazing bounty of posterity post World War II. Some of that aided the "spoiled rotten" syndrome of the subsequent children.

Prosperity promotes it's own destruction by allowing the embrace of foolhardy ideas.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 16, 2013 03:55 PM (bb5+k)

86 Won't watch it

Posted by: phoenixgirl so done with the GOP at January 16, 2013 03:55 PM (Xp1Kn)

87 For the record, in 1933,thre emillion Ukranians died
of starvation. In that same year, Stalin exported two million tons of
wheat from the Ukraine in return for hard currency.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 16, 2013 03:55 PM (GfHSl)

Someone had to lead the way for Kim Il Jong....

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 16, 2013 03:56 PM (kXoT0)

88 Say "they're a gun owner" and watch them fight to be first in line to do it.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 16, 2013 03:54 PM (GFM2b)
------------------------------------------------------------
Waterboard? Hell, they want to shoot us. Just ask 'em.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 16, 2013 03:56 PM (jucos)

89 I guess some people don't like to be reminded of their team losing.


Posted by: Alec Leamas at January 16, 2013 03:54 PM (mg08E)

They lost a battle. The war continues apace.

Posted by: joncelli at January 16, 2013 03:56 PM (RD7QR)

90 I worked in a University for 20 years. I was a blue collar prole, but the advantage was being able to be a fly on the wall. (The professoriat viewed us, if at all) as necessary vermin. From top to bottom they were third-rate thinkers and Leftists. Their concern was their faux jobs, and servicing each other (egos for sure, but sometimes literally).
Third rate thinkers produce non-thinking products, and the graduates of the school were all indoctrinated, self-indulgent and self-pitying pussies. Exceptions were few. Obama's base is from the Universities, and they are the handlers for the useless uneducated malcontents that receive the King's largesse. Rant over.

Posted by: tubal at January 16, 2013 03:56 PM (BoE3Z)

91 Oh and Ace why do you think I decided the American people rendered my History scholarship moot?

Giggles can rewrite the last 15 seconds or the last 15 centuries and no one cares.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 03:56 PM (LRFds)

92 PA,


Get crackin' on that post. Looks like a pretty good market for it.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 16, 2013 03:56 PM (ROv35)

93 This is the last time Bigelow will make a film that will be unambiguous in this respect. Expect to see lefty crap from her from now on.

Posted by: EC at January 16, 2013 03:56 PM (GQ8sn)

94 Meanwhile, a modern lumpen proletariat asks, "where's my free shit?"

Posted by: Fritz at January 16, 2013 03:57 PM (w3+gB)

95 Funny how the "artists" in Hollywood are actually so utterly predictable.

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Look who their heroes have been the past 30 years... The Ortegas, Castro, Chavez, the card-carrying communists within Hollywood who got blacklisted for being communists, etc.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 16, 2013 03:57 PM (e0xKF)

96 29 There a new TV series coming on called "The Russians", about Soviet sleeper cells in America circa 1981.

It's actually called...'The Americans'.

And I will watch it for a while, to see for myself what it's theme is.
It might be a case of 'rooting for the poor schmucks were forced to be sleeper agents'.....rather than 'rooting for the KGB'.
Too soon to know.

Posted by: wheatie at January 16, 2013 03:57 PM (fH4X9)

97 It's weird how she's hot for Christie.


Posted by: tasker at January 16, 2013 03:55 PM (r2PLg)

She loves her some Bill Maher too, which is supremenely gag worthy IMHO.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 16, 2013 03:57 PM (kXoT0)

98 Haven't you known, in the back of your mind, that this silly shit couldn't last, and we were going to have to deal with the end of all we knew before we shuffled off this mortal coil?

Posted by: Invictus at January 16, 2013 03:58 PM (OQpzc)

99 Prosperity promotes it's own destruction by allowing the embrace of foolhardy ideas.





Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 16, 2013 03:55 PM (bb5+k)

I've been thinking for some time now the US is in the curious position of "death by too much success". Ironic.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at January 16, 2013 03:58 PM (zpqa2)

100
The Media for the most part are unthinking idiots that serve up what will make them money next week. They cut their own throats (rhetorically speaking) all the time. None of them have any credibility with me, personally. I suspect that all of them, at some level, are knowingly telling lies.

Ditto the entertainment business. This Kathryn Bigelow person apparently has been denounced in her social clique, and is trying to make amends by being obsequious in her idealogical apology. There is no sense of integrity in her work, that she might stand up and say, "Yes, it is ambiguous, and interrogation at Gitmo might have led is to Bin Ladin".

For all the good it might have done. Piffle.

Bin Ladin was a stooge, a rich idiot that played the game and was constantly being plied by sharper people in the Salafist Islam movement to favor them with money. The Muslims that actually mastermind the killing and violence are still out there, making evil happen.
And Joe Biden is still and idiot.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes...... at January 16, 2013 03:58 PM (RFeQD)

101 "We will Barry you!" [slams shoe on table]

Posted by: Stuff Kruschev Said at January 16, 2013 03:58 PM (BAS5M)

102 It's Hollywood, Ace. Forget about it.

Seriously. Don't expend any time or effort or energy on this crap. Don't give them any money. Don't waste time viewing their "product". They won't change. You can't change them. Starve the beast.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 16, 2013 03:58 PM (gqT4g)

103 Yes, I plan to DVR the Americans and watch it--just because it is on FX. I like to give their new series a looksee.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 16, 2013 03:58 PM (kXoT0)

104 As usual, did anybody read the whole thing?

Puhleeze.. nobody criticized her for "championing" "enhanced interrogation".

Posted by: Gerry at January 16, 2013 03:58 PM (Bz7Zm)

105 >>>What is not "putative" is that your vision of America is shitcanned, bitch.

Remember when you used to pose as a bien pensant and oh so much smarter than everyone here?

Glad to see you've abandoned that pose as "not credible."

Incidentally -- bitch -- only one between the two of us has been penetrated by a man.

Posted by: ace at January 16, 2013 03:58 PM (LCRYB)

106
You can mark this down as a 100% sure bet-


Kathryn Bigelow's next movie will absolutely contain a scene, speech, or it will in fact be the entire point of the movie-

That torture/enhanced interrogation never ever never works because you only get false info and even when its appear to work it really didn't and it's never ever never justified especially if it could prevent American deaths.


She'll have to do it to get welcomed back into the fold.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 16, 2013 03:58 PM (G9qZk)

107 Does the film include the scene where Obama gives up the doctor and the Doctor gets really tortured instead of "waterboarded"?

Posted by: Vic at January 16, 2013 03:59 PM (53z96)

108 She loves her some Bill Maher too, which is supremenely gag worthy IMHO.
Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 16, 2013 03:57 PM (kXoT0)

_______________

That one is a truly sick, mutt.

Maybe she was into some kind of mental 50 shades of grey.

Hell that might explain Bigelow and James Cameron--yuck.

Posted by: tasker at January 16, 2013 03:59 PM (r2PLg)

109 Anyone here think most of the folks bitching the loudest about "torture"
wouldn't jump at the chance to tie you or me to ye olde waterboard?


They'd leave off the cloth and actually drown us...if they don't shoot us instead.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at January 16, 2013 04:00 PM (ZKzrr)

110 The subversive left's project of fighting for Soviet Russia, employing all its viciously dishonest tricks and manipulations, continues unabated.When the wall came down the globe started heating up.
Posted by: eleven at January 16, 2013 03:49 PM (KXm42)


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I and another Vietnam vet talked about that when it was happening. We decided it was one of the smoothest moves that the USSR had attempted. Instead of tanks and troops, they flooded the world with their masses fully steeped in marxist ideology. And it has worked beautifully. Ask anyone of the former West Germany.

Posted by: Soona at January 16, 2013 04:00 PM (jnlKI)

111 Ace, you really should read Arnaud De Borchgrave's novel The Spike. It's a thinly disguised examination of Soviet influence on the news media, plus it's a pretty good read.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spike_%281980%29

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 16, 2013 04:01 PM (pqkoL)

112 I guess my question was already answered.

Funny how the "artists" in Hollywood are actually so utterly predictable.
Posted by: The Regular Guy at January 16, 2013 03:55 PM (qHCyt)



I am disappointed by this because the concept is good and I don't mind anti-heroes. Doing a show about sleeper agents and showing them trying to undermine the US could be quite interesting. Doing a show about hey those Russians were really great, dontcha know? Boring, boring, boring, boring.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 16, 2013 04:01 PM (VtjlW)

113 You'll never defeat the media. Even the Soviets knew they value of propaganda and they reward them accordingly. They are right they will be among the elites of the new order.

Posted by: Invictus at January 16, 2013 04:01 PM (OQpzc)

114 105 >>>What is not "putative" is that your vision of America is shitcanned, bitch.

Remember when you used to pose as a bien pensant and oh so much smarter than everyone here?

Glad to see you've abandoned that pose as "not credible."

Incidentally -- bitch -- only one between the two of us has been penetrated by a man.

Posted by: ace at January 16, 2013 03:58 PM (LCRYB)

___________________________

Sometimes this place--scares me.

Posted by: tasker at January 16, 2013 04:01 PM (r2PLg)

115 Funny how the "artists" in Hollywood are actually so utterly predictable.

Considering that the majority of the "artists" are high school dropouts or grads, and have "publicists" doing their thinking for them, it would take most of them about 6 months in rehab and an actual education for them to actually express a coherent thought. They are like their "buddy" - narcissists all the way to the bone

Posted by: Mjölnir, the banhammer from the gates of Hell at January 16, 2013 04:01 PM (Jls4P)

116 K. Bigelow has to know that her one Oscar is all she will ever get. She is a woman and Hollywood only likes women in nude roles for the sake of the story, not directing big budget movies. Why next thing you know, casting couches will have no eager starlets on them...

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 16, 2013 04:01 PM (kXoT0)

117 103 Yes, I plan to DVR the Americans and watch it--just because it is on FX. I like to give their new series a looksee.

The KGB is on record as having lamented about how many of their 'sleeper agents' embedded here in the US....went native, and decided they liked it here.

For all we know...this could be what that series is about.

Posted by: wheatie at January 16, 2013 04:01 PM (fH4X9)

118 I am immortal. Thanks, ace.

Posted by: wooga at January 16, 2013 04:02 PM (lfTEK)

119 By the way any DR who asks me if I have a gun in my home will get a boot up his ass

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2013 04:02 PM (jE38p)

120 When the wall came down the globe started heating up.

That's because the upper levels of the Soviet never really believed their own propaganda. They were essentially gangsters who in their hearts knew they were gangsters...which meant for us, that they were people who could be dealt with in a rational manner.

The left in this country and around the globe who bought that propaganda, really believe it.

They're Hoffer's "True believers", which means they're irrational and can't be dealt with using rational means.

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 16, 2013 04:02 PM (1Cuor)

121 What does? How one feels and the obama sound bite of the day...that is all.
Think and scribe all you want...we ain't persuading nobody nohow. Sorry.


Posted by: rukiddingme? at January 16, 2013 03:47 PM (MbeEN)

Emotion. Emotion has always had an edge in convincing people to do something.

What we need is hard hitting PSAs which show examples of Children getting gunned down, and how they are eventually saved by a gun wielding citizen.

THEN WE DEMAND THAT THE GOVERNMENT STOP KILLING CHILDREN BY DEPRIVING THEIR PROTECTORS OF GUNS!!!!!
Emotion is the tool they use. We can use it too, but it's not the first thing a thinker reaches for when trying to convince other people of something.





Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 16, 2013 04:02 PM (bb5+k)

122 I would recommend Wittaker Chambers--but I can't even get through it.

Posted by: tasker at January 16, 2013 04:02 PM (r2PLg)

123 113 Invictus,

You have no idea what some of us would like to do to the media.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 04:02 PM (LRFds)

124 The KGB is on record as having lamented about how many of their 'sleeper agents' embedded here in the US....went native, and decided they liked it here.

For all we know...this could be what that series is about.
Posted by: wheatie at January 16, 2013 04:01 PM (fH4X9)


Unless the series is about Anna Chapman and has pics I ain't watching

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2013 04:03 PM (jE38p)

125 If Hollywood were going bankrupt tommorrow, how many of you think the Repubs wouldn't bail them out?

Posted by: Invictus at January 16, 2013 04:03 PM (OQpzc)

126
"Although I doubt Christie could infiltrate anything."

Iwould say he could infiltrate a buffet line, but it'd actually look less like covert action and more like the Mongol Horde sweeping over the steppes and into a Denny's.

Posted by: Jaws at January 16, 2013 04:03 PM (4I3Uo)

127 "You can't legislate morality."

That actually means 'You can't legislate your morality; I can legislate mine.'

Posted by: Mikey NTH - sees the gods of the copybook headings on the horizon at January 16, 2013 04:03 PM (hLRSq)

128 K. Bigelow has to know that her one Oscar is all she will ever get.


And she got that because it was a Fuck You to James Cameron.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 16, 2013 04:03 PM (VtjlW)

129
"Enhanced interrogation."



Let me guess. That's the kind where you actually get some information that kills or captures bad guys and saves innocent lives.


I'm OK with Islamists doing that, not Americans. We are better than that. And I'll sacrifice others to prove it!

*channeling trolls*


Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 16, 2013 04:03 PM (1Y+hH)

130 There is supreme irony in seeing the Hollywood cabal, who so often preen themselves as open minded, and eschewing the idea of right and wrong, while constantly maintaininga single set of political and social viewpoints that will not allow deviation by any member of their sect.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 16, 2013 04:03 PM (GfHSl)

131

I'm beginning to realize something horrifying: The West seemed to win the Cold War, but in fact the Stalinists won where it matters, in the mind ...


You just recently noticed!!

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at January 16, 2013 04:04 PM (qkP36)

132 My truth is truer than any fact.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - sees the gods of the copybook headings on the horizon at January 16, 2013 04:04 PM (hLRSq)

133 Of course, Bigelow could safe herself a lot of grief and simply insert this bit of dialog during the water boarding scene in the "Director's Cut"-

"Man, I don't know why we're doing this water boarding stuff. It never works."

"Yes, the poor souls we torture never give us any useful information. And it produces a black stain on our souls. Nay, on the souls of all Americans"

"No wonder they hate us."

"Yes, no wonder."




A bit of Oscar caliber dialog if I do say so myself.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 16, 2013 04:04 PM (G9qZk)

134 >>>The term "epistemic closure" has been used in US political debate to refer to the claim that the belief systems of political conservatives are closed systems of deduction, which cannot be affected by empirical evidence.

Geee. I've turned over a new leaf. I am totally into empirical evidence now. How about releasing your global warming RAW data, as that is empirical evidence. BTW What does empirical evidence say on gun banning? and an entitlement society? What does empirical evidence say about socialism and communism? So do we have good experimental data where they have been tried?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 16, 2013 04:04 PM (0q2P7)

135 Unless the series is about Anna Chapman and has pics I ain't watching

Please. That piece of skinny trash?

Now if we're talking those chicks from Anna Puma's videos....

Posted by: EC at January 16, 2013 04:04 PM (GQ8sn)

136 126
"Although I doubt Christie could infiltrate anything."

Iwould say he could infiltrate a buffet line, but it'd actually look less like covert action and more like the Mongol Horde sweeping over the steppes and into a Denny's.
Posted by: Jaws at January 16, 2013 04:03 PM (4I3Uo)

__________


I'm pretty sure he massacres jelly donuts.

Posted by: tasker at January 16, 2013 04:04 PM (r2PLg)

137 Doing a show about sleeper agents and showing them trying to undermine the US could be quite interesting. Doing a show about hey those Russians were really great, dontcha know? Boring, boring, boring, boring.

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The concept is good but I figure the execution will suck.

This is somewhat of the concept behind Kurt Vonnegut's Mother Night, in that an American version of "Lord Haw Haw" spewing out vile Nazi propaganda actually turned out to be a deep-cover US agent sending out coded messages through his broadcasts.

The real fun begins when it is clear the Nazis will lose, as the US public thinks him a monster and the OSS can't have him expose the techniques they used with him in case they need them again. telling stories

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 16, 2013 04:05 PM (e0xKF)

138 Nice column. Saw the movie and it got me thinking again about our President's approach to this issue. He is and wasthe leading apostle against enhanced interogation or as he called it torture. Yet he brags continually about killing a man who was convicted of nothing. And he apparently keeps a kill list in his office of other men who he deems are worthy of his attention to seek out and kill them. If we could ask all these men he has killed whether they would like to speak with us in an enhanced setting or otherwise or remain dead, my guess is they would choose the former. So what makes Obama and his followers all righteous against interogation and all giddy about killing? Obama has said on 60 minutes that interogation is not who we are as Americans. But since he is a killer, is that who we are?

Posted by: mikulin at January 16, 2013 04:05 PM (vmyXX)

139 126
LOL

I just pictured him bent over a buffet table. That big ass like two wild boars fighting over a succulent truffle.

Posted by: gigg at January 16, 2013 04:05 PM (41VCE)

140 You'll never defeat the media. Even the Soviets knew
they value of propaganda and they reward them accordingly. They are
right they will be among the elites of the new order.

Posted by: Invictus at January 16, 2013 04:01 PM (OQpzc)

this

Posted by: ette at January 16, 2013 04:05 PM (nqBYe)

141 Geee. I've turned over a new leaf. I am totally into
empirical evidence now. How about releasing your global warming RAW
data, as that is empirical evidence. BTW What does empirical evidence
say on gun banning? and an entitlement society? What does empirical
evidence say about socialism and communism? So do we have good
experimental data where they have been tried?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 16, 2013 04:04 PM (0q2P7)

Bravo.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at January 16, 2013 04:05 PM (zpqa2)

142 And she got that because it was a Fuck You to James Cameron.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 16, 2013 04:03 PM (VtjlW)
Oh yes, he is widely hated. Plus she is talented, but, being ovary impaired will do her in over the long haul. She is fast approaching the age where delicate references to her being difficult because of menopause will be used.

Posted by: Sherry McEvil, Wily Wrepublican Wench at January 16, 2013 04:06 PM (kXoT0)

143 You'll never defeat the media. Even the Soviets knew they value of propaganda and they reward them accordingly. They are right they will be among the elites of the new order.
Posted by: Invictus at January 16, 2013 04:01 PM (OQpzc)
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Lenin called them 'useful idiots'. They thought they would be the elite once socialism prevailed in Russia. Instead, they became the first occupants of the Gulag.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 16, 2013 04:06 PM (GfHSl)

144 Considering that the majority of the "artists" are high school dropouts or grads, and have "publicists" doing their thinking for them, it would take most of them about 6 months in rehab and an actual education for them to actually express a coherent thought.

Then came HuffPo. But they had editors.

Then came Twitter.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 16, 2013 04:06 PM (T0NGe)

145 Fen's Law: "The Left believes none of the things they lecture teh rest of us about."

Posted by: Mikey NTH - sees the gods of the copybook headings on the horizon at January 16, 2013 04:06 PM (hLRSq)

146 So do we have good experimental data where they have been tried?
Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 16, 2013 04:04 PM (0q2P7)



Burn the Math Witch!

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 16, 2013 04:06 PM (VtjlW)

147 140 ette,

there's nothing wrong with the media that cannot be fixed by human hands.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 04:08 PM (LRFds)

148 Someone should tell Bob Schieffer that he and his "credibility" (whatever of it he may have had) died a long time ago.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at January 16, 2013 04:08 PM (wbmaj)

149 Then came HuffPo. But they had editors. Then came Twitter.

Then came Tumblr

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 16, 2013 04:09 PM (BAS5M)

150 Burn the Math Witch!

I gaze wistfully at my Ryan "Math" sticker on my car every morning, and think of what might have been. No, I guess I'm really not over it yet.


Posted by: pep at January 16, 2013 04:10 PM (6TB1Z)

151 143 Vashta N,

and wouldn't YOU they are a group that is well off undermining the stability of the system treating them well who do not have legit party bonafides.

They are either traitors for hire, or such naive humans you can't rely on them.

There is no 3d option.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 04:10 PM (LRFds)

152 So, Ace, you finally get "postmodernism".

Posted by: RayJ at January 16, 2013 04:10 PM (pI/IV)

153 148 Someone should tell Bob Schieffer that he and his "credibility" (whatever of it he may have had) died a long time ago.

---

Ol' Bob probably still believes Dan Rather's "fake but accurate" line of bullshit that put him in the anchor chair at CBS.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 16, 2013 04:10 PM (e0xKF)

154 Are you guys seeing that picture at Drudge--

helicopter crash near new American Embassy in London.

Posted by: tasker at January 16, 2013 04:10 PM (r2PLg)

155 I just pictured him bent over a buffet table. That big ass like two wild boars fighting over a succulent truffle.

And I just threw up in my mouth a little.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 16, 2013 04:10 PM (GFM2b)

156 >>>The subversive left's project of fighting for Soviet Russia, employing all its viciously dishonest tricks and manipulations, continues unabated.


Thanks, I needed cheering up.

Posted by: Eaton Cox at January 16, 2013 04:10 PM (q177U)

157 Someone should tell Bob Schieffer that he and his "credibility" (whatever of it he may have had) died a long time ago.

That isn't the only thing.

Posted by: Mrs. Schieffer at January 16, 2013 04:10 PM (6TB1Z)

158 Fen's Law: "The Left believes none of the things they lecture teh rest of us about." Posted by: Mikey NTH

Except they all believe they will be on the rolls of The Protected.

Erg and his friends will have their skins removed to re-upolster some apparatchik's car.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 16, 2013 04:10 PM (QKbPo)

159
We have legislated morality since the beginning of the Republic, and it is all part of our inheritance of British Common Law.

The problem is the to legislate "morality", you usually have the consent of +90% of the people, because the morality involved is all commonly accepted.

Since our culture and society are fracturing terribly, there is no longer a consensus of +90% on any moral issue. There is alway some group of asswipes somewhere who will pose some dumb moral argument about why this particular thing is not "immoral".

Years ago, Phyllis Schlafly (the Eagle Forum, etc) predicted that when homosexuality was mainstreamed and there was gay marriage, the next target would be to legitimize pedophilia. And I recall she made this prediction back in the late '70's or early '80's.
So yeah, let's legislate morality. Because if we don't, they will use the law against us all. We will all be outlaws soon enough.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes...... at January 16, 2013 04:10 PM (RFeQD)

160 Then came Tumblr
Posted by: Count de Monet at January 16, 2013 04:09 PM (BAS5M)



Gah. Tumblr makes me feel ancient.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 16, 2013 04:11 PM (VtjlW)

161 They are either traitors for hire, or such naive humans you can't rely on them.There is no 3d option.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 04:10 PM (LRFds)
-
Plus, they know the truth that they refused to tell.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 16, 2013 04:11 PM (GfHSl)

162 Dozens of countries practice real torture, "not gentle like before".

Oscars for a movie generally are a warning for me that some politically correct viewpoint is about to be prominently displayed -- and that if I actually *like* the movie, it is in spite of whatever message(s) they are flogging.

Posted by: GnuBreed at January 16, 2013 04:11 PM (ccXZP)

163 I'm beginning to realize something horrifying: The West seemed to win the Cold War, but in fact the Stalinists won where it matters, in the mind, and therefore, in history, or at least in history as we mutually agree it should be.

Welcome to the party, ace. Pull up a chair and wait for SMOD.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 16, 2013 04:11 PM (4df7R)

164 "Although I doubt Christie could infiltrate anything."

Fat guys have no problem infiltrating restaurants in NJ. Trust me on this.

Posted by: DaveA at January 16, 2013 04:12 PM (Kr3Y8)

165 I've read Fen's Law (as you state it) and saw but one other reference on the internet to it... where does it come from? Who is fen?

Posted by: ace at January 16, 2013 04:12 PM (LCRYB)

166 The Left's conditions are simply horseshit.

Exhibit 1a: Oliver Stone. Every single film he directed is a ham-fisted fairytale for simpletons.

Platoon:
Bunny: Indy 500 beer drinking redneck.
Barnes: 60's scarface GI ( read conformist) murder-machine.
Elias: Jesus F'n Christ (the weary leftist version of Christ).
Chris: Fish out of water.
Black actors: Cool, hip and wise.

Yeah, nuance.

Posted by: 13times at January 16, 2013 04:12 PM (h6XiD)

167 I wish for once that the oh so sensitive to "rights" Hollywood lefties would worry half as much as the rights of Americans who make their bloated lifestyles possible as they do over America's enemies who would make their lifestyles impossible.

Posted by: kbdabear at January 16, 2013 04:12 PM (wwsoB)

168 I saw the movie. Jessica Chastain can waterboard me any time she wants.

Posted by: Roy at January 16, 2013 04:13 PM (VndSC)

169 The fact that you can lurk HuffPo or DU and find all sorts of people openly advocating Marxism (or Marxism by another name), without being criticized is evidence the Soviet propaganda effort was a major success.

The fact that one of products of that propaganda resides in the Whitehouse pretty much seals the deal.

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 16, 2013 04:13 PM (1Cuor)

170 In case anyone thinks this sort of thing is at all new, here's Jonah Goldberg in 2002 on a similar happening:

http://tinyurl.com/byz8qg3

It has my favorite explanation of postmodernism evar:

For those of you who have better things to do, there’s this school of “thought” called “postmodernism” which — kind of like WASPs with mayonnaise — put quotation marks on everything.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 16, 2013 04:13 PM (B/VB5)

171 For those of you who have better things to do, there’s this school of “thought” called “postmodernism” which — kind of like WASPs with mayonnaise — put quotation marks on everything.

"Postmodernism." I'll curse that word in Hell.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 16, 2013 04:14 PM (4df7R)

172 I just got a shot of the kids used and abused by obama today. 1 white boy, 1 black boy...urh kid, 1 white girl, and what looked like 1 "other" ( kinda dark- like indian maybe or hispanic?) girl. Good distribution?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2013 04:14 PM (jE38p)

173 >>>I've read Fen's Law (as you state it) and saw but one other reference on
the internet to it... where does it come from? Who is fen?

gee. I'm assuming it's fenstern the blogger of "the guy by the door" where the quote appears.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 16, 2013 04:14 PM (0q2P7)

174 158
Fen's Law: "The Left believes none of the things they lecture teh rest of us about." Posted by: Mikey NTH

Except they all believe they will be on the rolls of The Protected.

Erg and his friends will have their skins removed to re-upolster some apparatchik's car.


Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 16, 2013 04:10 PM (QKbPo)
The fundamentals of the Left, and what makes them so hard to draw a bead on (I denounce myself) is that they have no rational end-game, unlike the Right. The Left is only about their power addiction, and the end that it produces doesn't matter to them. It always ends in death and destruction, but they-don't-care.

Posted by: tubal at January 16, 2013 04:15 PM (BoE3Z)

175 two legs bad, four legs good.

Posted by: Comrade Snowball at January 16, 2013 04:15 PM (XvHmy)

176 which — kind of like WASPs with mayonnaise —



Mmmm. Mayonnaise.


You know, we need to get a Lutheran riot going. I haven't had a good jell-o salad in days.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 16, 2013 04:15 PM (VtjlW)

177
I guess my question was already answered.



Funny how the "artists" in Hollywood are actually so utterly predictable.

Posted by: The Regular Guy at January 16, 2013 03:55 PM (qHCyt)





I am disappointed by this because the concept is good and I don't
mind anti-heroes. Doing a show about sleeper agents and showing them
trying to undermine the US could be quite interesting. Doing a show
about hey those Russians were really great, dontcha know? Boring,
boring, boring, boring.



Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 16, 2013 04:01 PM (VtjlW)






If they did it like The Shield, with the commie sleepers being unmitigated slime like Vic Mackie and the Strike Team, and getting the audience to cheer for the murderers, that would make for a pretty damned good anti-hero series. FX has been pretty good with that, like Sons of Anarchy.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 16, 2013 04:15 PM (pqkoL)

178 That pic of TFG with the kids reminds me of Saddam with that kid during Gulf War. Props.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at January 16, 2013 04:16 PM (zpqa2)

179 Egypt's Mubarak pays back $3 million for gifts
Published: 01.16.13, 23:00 / Israel News



An Egyptian prosecutor says ousted President Hosni Mubarak and his family paid back 18 million Egyptian pounds ($3 million) for gifts they received from a state newspaper while he was still in office.

The gifts – including watches, bags and jewelry – were a traditional show of loyalty by the Al-Ahram daily. (AP)

Shit all I ever get from the specialists i refer to are pretzels and nuts

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2013 04:16 PM (jE38p)

180 >>>"Postmodernism." I'll curse that word in Hell.

I have a feeling postmodernism is going to look a lot like premodernism complete with rampant poverty and a feudal society.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 16, 2013 04:16 PM (0q2P7)

181 'Integrative complexity' is simply a 2 dollar word for cognitive dissonance.

Posted by: locomotivebreath1901 at January 16, 2013 04:16 PM (tUT9B)

182 What does this have to do with The Gun Grabbing Bastard?

Posted by: dogfish at January 16, 2013 04:16 PM (N2yhW)

183 It always kills me when those PC pols protest tools like waterboarding because "it's not who we are".

It's who I AM, if it MIGHT glean intel that saves lives go for it.

It's usually leftists that don't want anyone to know who they really are, that make sanctimonious statements like that.

......and Juan McStain who is a turd anyway.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 16, 2013 04:17 PM (aZ6ew)

184 Waterboarding good, talking about water boarding bad.

What we had was a leadership failure, no one on the operational end trusted management (lawyers) to not throw them under the bus when the political winds shifted, so everything had to be documented and approved. What should have happened is a couple of retired warrants should have done what needed to be done in the complete confidence that their bosses would have never even admitted they were within a thousand miles of the bad guys.

Uncle Sam keeps his white suit on, bad guys talk, bad guys die. John McCain never needed to know. We should not even know that we have those guys, they should still be transmitting occasional messages from hiding to the jihadi horde

Posted by: Jean at January 16, 2013 04:17 PM (sgNEe)

185 OT all the petitions in the sidebar.Apparently Barky is not amused by the Death Stars and what not.They are quadrupling the signatures necessary to 100,000.

Posted by: steevy at January 16, 2013 04:17 PM (9XBK2)

186 I'm beginning to realize something horrifying: The West seemed to win the Cold War, but in fact the Stalinists won where it matters, in the mind, and therefore, in history, or at least in history as we mutually agree it should be.

Welcome to the party, ace. Pull up a chair and wait for SMOD.

Call for SMOD, please pick up the red courtesy phone.
Call for SMOD, please pick up the red courtesy phone.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 16, 2013 04:17 PM (GFM2b)

187 I have a very pre-modern way of looking at post-modern things. So it all balances out.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at January 16, 2013 04:17 PM (tAbBJ)

188 Ace, why don't you bring Jeff Goldstein in on this? It's is kind of his thing, and he's got some very insightful stuff archived.

Great post, btw.

Posted by: Ummberto Echo at January 16, 2013 04:17 PM (2IFmf)

189 Sometimes this place--scares me.
Posted by: tasker at January 16, 2013 04:01 PM (r2PLg)


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LOL!

Posted by: Soona at January 16, 2013 04:17 PM (jnlKI)

190 159 CJ Burch,

just imagine one day Roman Polanski will come home to a hero's welcome and laugh at 125+ million US "outlaws"....

yeah like i said that flag needs fewer stars one way or the other, because I am NOT going along for the ride.

"Let us go"

It is in the Bible.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 04:18 PM (LRFds)

191 I've got your epistemic closure right here:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/34bcrg

Posted by: Thorvald at January 16, 2013 04:18 PM (1V6Pv)

192 Truth don't deliver the EBT Cards and Obamaphones.

Posted by: Extreme Leftard at January 16, 2013 04:19 PM (dvRYt)

193 epistemological closure." Neologisms.....integrative complexity.....

I am definately too much of a moron to understand this post.

Posted by: Cheri at January 16, 2013 04:19 PM (G+Wff)

194 Dozens of countries practice real torture, "not gentle like before".

Oscars
for a movie generally are a warning for me that some politically
correct viewpoint is about to be prominently displayed -- and that if I
actually *like* the movie, it is in spite of whatever message(s) they
are flogging.


Posted by: GnuBreed at January 16, 2013 04:11 PM (ccXZP)






Kudos for the Unforgiven quote.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 16, 2013 04:19 PM (pqkoL)

195 McCain is a fucking nut.He also gave circumstances where he did think torture(real torture,not water boarding) was an option.If it never works why is it an option in dire circumstances idiot?Because it works.

Posted by: steevy at January 16, 2013 04:19 PM (9XBK2)

196 We had some cocktails the other day with a Constitutional Law Professor from Nevada , his take on the current state of affairs is Hopeless.
constitutional Law ? I told him they will put that in History books soon.

Posted by: Clemenza at January 16, 2013 04:19 PM (x59Gv)

197 The Hollywood Leftists get all teary-eyed over a few jihadists getting a soaking no worse than a college hazing. Yet when their totally awesome boyfriend kills jihadists with unmanned drones, many times killing children with the bad guys, they snort another line of coke and look up boxofficemojo to see how much their movie made last weekend

Posted by: kbdabear at January 16, 2013 04:20 PM (wwsoB)

198 If your a MORON you could sue the feds for mental anguish now...

Posted by: Clemenza at January 16, 2013 04:21 PM (x59Gv)

199 193
epistemological closure." Neologisms.....integrative complexity.....



I am definately too much of a moron to understand this post.

Posted by: Cheri at January 16, 2013 04:19 PM (G+Wff)
I think I know one.... "integrative complexity" has something to do with the kids Obama used as props.

Posted by: tubal at January 16, 2013 04:21 PM (BoE3Z)

200 You know, we need to get a Lutheran riot going. I haven't had a good jell-o salad in days.

What's your favorite flavor?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at January 16, 2013 04:21 PM (ZKzrr)

201

Platoon

Elias and Barns

The "good" guy is a slender bilt, pot smoking, authority challenging character.

The "bad" guy is a masculine, muscular, hard driving, whiskey drinking, authoritarian Southerner.

Yes.... subtle. Like a effin hammer.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 16, 2013 04:21 PM (nELVU)

202

>>The left is extremely Stalinist and Orwellian about its blatant efforts
to influence the future by rewriting the past. The truth seems to mean
nothing at all to them; the "truth" is just a lie we mutually agree
upon, they believe, so we might as well change history (and science) to
make a Better Truth.


So who better to infiltrate and co-opt the education of American children?
Teachers unions are communist incubators.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 16, 2013 04:21 PM (aZ6ew)

203 I don't know. I saw it and my take on the first hour and a half was a lot of "Shamil, you like to me, I hurt you."

The message seemed to be that there was a lot of information these guys had, and the only way to get it from them was to squeeze their nuts.

As for the scenes in the Abbotobad compound, all I can say is those pistol-grip H&K MP5s are cool. And the Seals know when you are shooting around in an all-concrete house, the enemy is a fool to try to hide behind a corner. Get 'em with the ricochet. And I liked the whispered names, to make those assholes show themselves.

Osama! Osama! Plunk plunk.

Posted by: The littl shyning man at January 16, 2013 04:22 PM (PH+2B)

204 If they did it like The Shield, with the commie sleepers being unmitigated slime like Vic Mackie and the Strike Team, and getting the audience to cheer for the murderers, that would make for a pretty damned good anti-hero series. FX has been pretty good with that, like Sons of Anarchy.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 16, 2013 04:15 PM (pqkoL)



That's exactly what I was hoping it would be.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 16, 2013 04:22 PM (VtjlW)

205 Truth don't deliver the EBT Cards and Obamaphones.

The Obama Pho(ne) woman said recently even if Obama runs for another term she's not voting for him. Heartbreaking.

Weasel Zippers story here: http://tinyurl.com/b9vruhm

Posted by: Ian S. at January 16, 2013 04:22 PM (B/VB5)

206 195
McCain is a fucking nut.He also gave circumstances where he did think
torture(real torture,not water boarding) was an option.If it never works
why is it an option in dire circumstances idiot?Because it works.


Posted by: steevy at January 16, 2013 04:19 PM

McCain confessed in his 2008 convention speech that this jailers broke him, so I guess it did get them what they wanted.

Posted by: kbdabear at January 16, 2013 04:22 PM (wwsoB)

207 @196 Republicans never undid the New Deal, nor the Great Society. The Commie-Fag-Junkie Complex is filling the books with laws and reg's. that will take any army years to undo, if they ever undertake it.
It's not hopeless, but it is daunting.

Posted by: Thorvald at January 16, 2013 04:22 PM (1V6Pv)

208 The Muslims Jihadists surround themselves with innocents all the time...

Posted by: Clemenza at January 16, 2013 04:22 PM (x59Gv)

209 The subversive left's project of fighting for Soviet Russia, employing all its viciously dishonest tricks and manipulations, continues unabated.

Boy, I remember when I was a conspiracy nut for saying that. Good times, good times.

About the most heavily-documented crazy conspiracy theory ever, right there.

And yet, "our friends across the aisle" continue...

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 16, 2013 04:23 PM (bxiXv)

210 What's your favorite flavor?


Posted by: HeatherRadish™ at January 16, 2013 04:21 PM (ZKzrr)

----
Does.Not.Matter.
Lime Jello is what you get.

Its in the Articles of Reformation.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 16, 2013 04:23 PM (nELVU)

211 "I'm beginning to realize something horrifying: The West seemed
to win the Cold War, but in fact the Stalinists won where it matters, in
the mind, and therefore, in history, or at least in history as we
mutually agree it should be. The subversive left's project of fighting
for Soviet Russia, employing all its viciously dishonest tricks and
manipulations, continues unabated."

It's a thought that's been bouncing around my head since the 90s: The Soviets lost the Cold War, but their greatest victory was planting the seeds of our own destruction in our own culture.

Their sick poison found fertile ground in the USA, I'm afraid. The USSR may, in fact, bring us down from beyond the grave.

Posted by: tsj017 at January 16, 2013 04:23 PM (4YUWF)

212
Well, there is a scene in the movie where the CIA operatives are sitting in a conference room talking, and the TV is on, with TFG being interviewed by Steve Wallace (I think( and TFG is saying that "we do not torture" and that the enhanced interrogation techniques will no longer be allowed. (I think that interview was done shortly after his election).

I saw the movie with my 17 yr old son. He asked me if being a CIA agent was always like that. I told himnot always, that in many ways (especially if the movie was anywhere close to accurate) what the agents were doing is similar to what I do as a detective; we pursue evidence, look for clues and piece together cases based upon what we find out. I was pleased when he said "Cool."While in thetheatre, there were2 teenage couples sitting behind us; the 2 girls left the theatre during the opening scene (which featured the enhanced interrogation of a terrorist, including waterboarding). The girls never came back in, and the guys left about 45 minutes into the movie.

Posted by: DaveinNC at January 16, 2013 04:23 PM (boNGU)

213 I'm late to the party as usual but:

The left is extremely Stalinist and Orwellian about its blatant efforts to influence the future by rewriting the past. The truth seems to mean nothing at all to them; the "truth" is just a lie we mutually agree upon, they believe, so we might as well change history (and science) to make a Better Truth.


The phrase ace is looking for is "Revolutionary Truth," an idea about which I have commented extensively in this space as you well know.

Posted by: Truman North at January 16, 2013 04:23 PM (piAb1)

214 That was a close one. It was almost off to the reeducation camps for Bigelow.

Posted by: BlueStateRepub at January 16, 2013 04:24 PM (7ObY1)

215 "...The left is extremely Stalinist and Orwellian about its blatant efforts to influence the future by rewriting the past. The truth seems to mean nothing at all to them; the "truth" is just a lie we mutually agree upon, they believe, so we might as well change history (and science) to make a Better Truth.


THIS - is the reason why giving in on tax hikes "for the rich" was such a horrible mistake. Because the left will use it as a basis to re-write history and the laws of economics to bash conservatism and advance socialist economic theory. Reagan = Bad. SCOAMF = savior.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 16, 2013 04:24 PM (XkWWK)

216 @200 when you call on the Missouri Synod Team your looking for trouble...they scorch earth..

Posted by: Clemenza at January 16, 2013 04:24 PM (x59Gv)

217 I messed up, the TV series is called "The Americans", not the Russians. Everything else is correct, about them wanting us to root for the KGB.
Still not watching it.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at January 16, 2013 04:24 PM (YmPwQ)

218 Bigelow was no doubt robbed of even a chance at an Oscar, but sometimes these things balance out. She won for "Hurt Locker" because the Hollywood wanted to say a big fuck you to her ex husband James Cameron, who thought "Avatar" had it in the bag

Posted by: kbdabear at January 16, 2013 04:24 PM (wwsoB)

219 Does.Not.Matter.
Lime Jello is what you get.

Its in the Articles of Reformation.
Posted by: fixerupper at January 16, 2013 04:23 PM (nELVU)



There is no Jello-O but Lime.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 16, 2013 04:25 PM (VtjlW)

220 201 fixerupper,

yup...I was 14 IIRC I liked Barnes.

Fuck Oliver Stoner.

"You're messing with my mil-uh'tarry machine..."

Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 04:25 PM (LRFds)

221 >>>integrative complexity

Liberalspeak for

"I don't understand my own philosophy"
It's churched up so they don't get their widdle feewings hurt about being too stupud to understand the "why" behind authoritarian collectivism. If that happened how could they go around pretending to be the sooper smartz, so much more so than the rednekz wingnutz?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 16, 2013 04:25 PM (0q2P7)

222
Isn't it true that the entire Democrat party is comprised of people who are either Stalinists, or pretty goddamn close?

Didn't Obama stock his admin with Maoists?

How does that happen? Are they nice Maoists? Different than the other Maoists, the bad ones?

How is it that Billy Ayers has such pull in the education system?


Posted by: Rev dr E buzz at January 16, 2013 04:25 PM (raGXo)

223 It's weird how she's hot for Christie.

Fatty and Skinny
laying in bed
Fatty rolled over
and Skinny was dead

Posted by: wth at January 16, 2013 04:25 PM (wAQA5)

224 If Abraham Lincoln had had people waterboarded to get them to vote for the 13th Amendment, Hollywood would be falling all over Spielberg for showing it. In fact, they ARE falling all over Spielberg even though his movie shows Lincoln using what amounts to a secret private hit squad tobully, threaten, bribe, and pay off Congressmen (all of whom were Democrats, of course, but that is barely mentioned) to vote for the amendment.

The only reason they hate waterboarding is because George Bush did it. Anyone who thinks the CIA under President Al Gore would not have done the exact same thing after 9/11 is a fucking idiot.

Posted by: rockmom at January 16, 2013 04:25 PM (NYnoe)

225 The Obama Pho(ne) woman said recently even if Obama runs for another term she's not voting for him. Heartbreaking.

When you've lost the "keep him in presedintin'" ho...

Posted by: rickb223 at January 16, 2013 04:25 PM (GFM2b)

226 218 KBDaBear,

oh they also used it as a mild fuck you to the military.

I have a Cmbt Hvy engineer high school buddy getting ready to retire who asked "where's the kids' cape?'

Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 04:26 PM (LRFds)

227 Fen was a commenter at Althouse.

Haven't heard from him for a while, but darn it, he did peg them right.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - sees the gods of the copybook headings on the horizon at January 16, 2013 04:26 PM (hLRSq)

228 The 15-year prison sentence given to a woman and her seven children by an Egyptian court for converting to Christianity is a sign of things to come, according to alarmed human rights advocates who say the nation's Islamist government is bad news for Christians in the North African country.

But But But obama promised that we have no fear from the Muslim Brotherhood and Morsi?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 16, 2013 04:28 PM (jE38p)

229 What was the one big reason ZD30 didn't win?

It glossed over Preznit Awesome's role in the whole thing

Posted by: kbdabear at January 16, 2013 04:28 PM (wwsoB)

230 224 RockMom,

Al Gore would have nuked someone I suspect and the world would have begged us to "understand the gravity of his hard, reluctant decision."

We're not a nation ruled by two party's held to one standard, we're two nations and the media allows the other nation when we have the ball to shit themselves and cause such a ruckus when we are in power that they undermine the security of the US.

Time to quit kissing a corpse and figure out a new game.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 04:28 PM (LRFds)

231 204 If they did it like The Shield, with the commie sleepers being unmitigated slime like Vic Mackie and the Strike Team, and getting the audience to cheer for the murderers, that would make for a pretty damned good anti-hero series. FX has been pretty good with that, like Sons of Anarchy.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 16, 2013 04:15 PM (pqkoL)


Vic Mackie was a communist?

I mostly recall him being concerned with making things good for Vic Mackie - not income inequality.


Posted by: Mætenloch at January 16, 2013 04:28 PM (pAlYe)

232 Starting college in the early 90's, just a few years after the wall came down was a life-changing experience. I couldn't believe how most of my professors were pissed that the "wrong" side won the Cold War. There was a feeling of disappointment and anger hanging over campus. And Clinton was president at the time. Hatred of America, along with nihilistic postmodernism was THE rigid ideology on campus.

I never got used to it.

Posted by: Pyrocles at January 16, 2013 04:29 PM (cv5Iw)

233 228 nevergiveUp,

"we" don't yet...and never will if we will just convert to "the most beautiful sound on the planet" and all....

I'm tired of our nation arming the opfor and allowing brother and sister Christians to be persecuted.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 04:30 PM (LRFds)

234 It's weird how she's hot for Christie.



It wouldn't shock me if he changes parties.



Although I doubt Christie could infiltrate anything.

Posted by: tasker at January 16, 2013 03:55 PM

If Coulter and Christie were walking together, they'd look like the number 10 coming at you

Posted by: kbdabear at January 16, 2013 04:30 PM (wwsoB)

235 @15...you forgot "Huey Long must have been a Republican, since he was the closest America had to a fascist."

I heard that one from several people before after talking about Huey Long as an American proto-fascist, they quite easily glided into the idea that he must have been a Republican.

Posted by: sexypig at January 16, 2013 04:30 PM (dZQh7)

236 I have a feeling postmodernism is going to look a lot like premodernism complete with rampant poverty and a feudal society.

Yes, but the people starving and being ground under a boot will do it ironically.

Posted by: pep at January 16, 2013 04:30 PM (6TB1Z)

237 On the theme of how the liberal elites see themselves: What annoyed me the most about Lena Dunham's recent comments was not the "dating Republicans is like dating Nazis; it's just something you don't do" bit, but her explanation that her character suffers from "reverse ignorance." Now wouldn't "reverse ignorance" be wisdom and knowledge? What the heck is "reverse ignorance"? I thinkDunham came up with that term because she couldn't admit to herself that her liberal character is just as narrowminded, bigoted and ignorant asshe imagines all those nasty Republicans are. They're the ignorant ones, not a good little liberal! So she had to come up with the phrase "reverse ignorance" because her character is the opposite of those stupid conservatives. It's idiotic.

Posted by: biancaneve at January 16, 2013 04:31 PM (6bYlh)

238 The 15-year prison sentence given to a woman and her seven children by
an Egyptian court for converting to Christianity is a sign of things to
come


She caught a break. Apostasy is punished with death per the Koran.

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 16, 2013 04:31 PM (1Cuor)

239 BTW - will this lime Hell-O have little mushrooms in it? Or is that an Episcopalian thing?

Green Bean casserole anyone?

Posted by: Mikey NTH - sees the gods of the copybook headings on the horizon at January 16, 2013 04:32 PM (hLRSq)

240 @229 They did say "our preznit is a thoughtful and analytical man" or words to that effect, but (as I recall) it was a voice-over, and may have been a post-production add-on to the sound mix. (Of course, that was 750ml of Dominican rum ago.) As I recall it now, a tinge of irony ran through it.

Posted by: Thorvald at January 16, 2013 04:32 PM (1V6Pv)

241 235 SexyPig,

Yeah well you have not lived until you've had a professor explain to you that a kid from the Parish in louisiana that was overt communist in several precincts somehow produced a "democrat that was really a republican" they are at war with us and the "us" they war with is not real but I don't like the way they look at him.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 04:32 PM (LRFds)

242 238 PA,


See Przzy F'oshizzle is right they ARE moderates.

LiB

Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 04:33 PM (LRFds)

243 #218 Actually, the Hollywood numbskulls voted for "The Hurt Locker" because they though it made Bush's War look bad, even though it portrayed the soldiers as heroes.
They're all over "Lincoln" this year because they think it's an allegoryof their hero Obama having to deal with a horrid Congress full of retrograde rats and racists and needing to trash the Constitution in the name of "justice." Bigelow and Ben Affleck both got snubbed because their movies made the CIA look good. Tom Hooper got snubbedbecause in"Les Miserables" all the heroic poor people andleft wing revolutionaries die.

Posted by: rockmom at January 16, 2013 04:33 PM (NYnoe)

244 Their sick poison found fertile ground in the USA, I'm afraid. The USSR may, in fact, bring us down from beyond the grave.

Posted by: tsj017 at January 16, 2013 04:23 PM (4YUWF)


I like to think of the Communist Professoriate as "guided missiles that outlasted those who launched them," though I admit too much of the Old Soviet Machine has survived for comfort.

The really, truly ironic thing is that they *can't* realize that they and their philosophy can *only* survive in a system that *doesn't* follow that philosophy - they're parasites that can't survive without a host - when they kill the host, they decline and die.

Mind you, they can take a long, gory time dying, as we're seeing in Cuba and North Korea. Especially when propped up by foreign subsidies.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 16, 2013 04:34 PM (bxiXv)

245 The movie The Russians Are Coming, The Russians Are Coming was hysterically funny. It goes for forty dollars plus on Amazon.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 16, 2013 04:36 PM (BAS5M)

246 What the heck is "reverse ignorance"?

Weapons grade stupidity?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 16, 2013 04:36 PM (GFM2b)

247 We're good on crew rest ...

Posted by: L-188 Pilots at January 16, 2013 04:36 PM (ZSnCv)

248 244 Mero,

well if you and I are in fact "Kulaks" and in lieu of going to the kennels we get to go to a mundane Gulag comrade I for one cannot wait until the idiot Sierra Club and EPA true believers get murdered by Obama as he decides he needs new hard currency open up the coal mines!

The Soviets had the 2d dirtiest industrial belt on Earth after China.

there are a lot of folks in for a LOT of surprises about what a Paradise it was.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 04:37 PM (LRFds)

249 Yeah well you have not lived until you've had a professor explain to you that a kid from the Parish in louisiana that was overt communist in several precincts somehow produced a "democrat that was really a republican" they are at war with us and the "us" they war with is not real but I don't like the way they look at him.

Hell, Mussolini got the name "Il Duce" while he was still head of the Socialist Party. And, no, he didn't change ideologies.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 16, 2013 04:38 PM (T0NGe)

250 #230 if Al Gore had been President after 9/11, we STILL would not know half of what went into getting bin Laden, or of anything else that the CIA or our troops did, because he would have asked the media not to report it and they wouldn't have. He would have gotten all the money he wanted from Congress for as much war as he wanted.

Posted by: rockmom at January 16, 2013 04:39 PM (aBlZ1)

251 the only thing that comforts me is that when they finally dismantle the Constitution and turn us all into communists the lefty academics will be the first up against the wall. I'm amused that they think they will be running things instead of people who know how to get things done.

Posted by: #6 at January 16, 2013 04:42 PM (KHo8t)

252 I can't believe I wrote Hell-O instead of Jell-O.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - sees the gods of the copybook headings on the horizon at January 16, 2013 04:43 PM (hLRSq)

253 Here's the thing, the portrayal of waterboarding, according to Jose Rodriguez, who actually managed the program, was over the top, however, Bigelow is suggesting with Chastain's reaction, would you be willing to go that far.

Posted by: cardinal fang at January 16, 2013 04:45 PM (Jsiw/)

254 And, no, he didn't change ideologies.

The entirely spurious claim that either Hitler or Mussolini were in any meaningful way "right wing" just because the opposed the Holy Stalin was the Left's best early propaganda win.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 16, 2013 04:45 PM (B/VB5)

255 the lefty academics will be the first up against the wall.

Don't I know it...

Posted by: Maurice Bishop's ghost at January 16, 2013 04:47 PM (1Cuor)

256 I can't believe I wrote Hell-O instead of Jell-O.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - sees the gods of the copybook headings on the horizon at January 16, 2013 04:43 PM (hLRSq)


Face it Flounder, you Hell-O'd *on* Dean Wormer

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 16, 2013 04:47 PM (BAS5M)

257 Barnes murdering Elias was Stone's way of removing all ambiguity from the film. Ironic, choosing Barnes as the hero=counterculture.

Oscar(s).
Nuance.

Posted by: 13times at January 16, 2013 04:48 PM (h6XiD)

258 well if you and I are in fact "Kulaks" and in lieu of going to the kennels we get to go to a mundane Gulag

Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 04:37 PM (LRFds)


Kulaks, no.

Forest Brothers, maybe (look them up).

And the communists I know weren't surprised at the result of real communism, they're still lying about it.

Have you ever sat down with *real* soviets? Nothing like it, the sense of a life of nothing but fear and hate, a formalist bureaucrat who would kill you in a second.

And then I met communist college professors. Same thing, only less formal.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 16, 2013 04:48 PM (bxiXv)

259 257 13 times,

I liked Elias and was not happy Barnes killed him, BUT I was just as unhappy Elias turned on Barnes.

Barnes took it personally, and was prepared to win Elias wanted to work within the insane constraints of the political interference.

I spent my youth and early serious scholarship studying communist insurgencies, and I hated the way we lost Vietnam with a passion.

We have turned it into if anything a slightly more effective way of failing as miserably as we are now.

Leave the nation building to God wreck it or take it but don't let them dictate policy to you.

I hate this war.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 04:51 PM (LRFds)

260 Btw, Joe Weisburg, the writer of 'The Americans' is a former CIA official, just goes to show their mindset.

Posted by: cardinal fang at January 16, 2013 04:53 PM (Jsiw/)

261 252 I can't believe I wrote Hell-O instead of Jell-O.
Posted by: Mikey NTH - sees the gods of the copybook headings on the horizon at January 16, 2013 04:43 PM (hLRSq)


I knew what you meant, and oddly enough I had some Jell-O Pudding in the fridge... delicious.

Posted by: cajun carrot at January 16, 2013 04:53 PM (UZQM8)

262 258 Mero,

Yup.

I have chased tail with a Russian paratrooper, flirted not to score (I was married then) with a Russian mail order bride and talked to a former soviet hazmat specialist.

I really liked the Sgt, the woman was nice thoughh a bit materialist, and the hazmat guy scared me silly.

I am a light hearted guy about dangerous things as much as possible was raised to have gallows humor all that....

this guy was laughing at our fear of dioxin near water sources etc etc....

well you can always find new well if not you move people to new town and wait for aquifier to clean self.

I swear to God i thought he was a parody like they ran by us in bootcamp of an opfor sympathizer.

Anyway a commie will gladly kill babies by the bushel if it means a few spare cord of lumber for his off the books dacha.

There is NO moral superiority to collectivism and if anything it frees our baser impulses.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 04:56 PM (LRFds)

263 260 Cardinal Fang,

yeah and Val Plame was a farm girl.

The left loves trying to fool their little sheep with tales of "the evil right wing CIA" but the fact is the donks ran CIA from Birth with maybe 12 years of exceptions civil service wise.

There is a great book waiting to be written about the internal monologue of the farm.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 16, 2013 04:58 PM (LRFds)

264 "The West seemed to win the Cold War, but in fact the Stalinists
won where it matters, in the mind, and therefore, in history, or at
least in history as we mutually agree it should be."

Told you so, comrade!

Posted by: The Ghose of Nikita Kruschev at January 16, 2013 05:00 PM (ZWaLo)

265 'Stalinists won where it matters, in the mind'
Hmm... Almost as if it had been planned that way. The left is nothing, if not patient

Posted by: Steve D at January 16, 2013 05:03 PM (flNRe)

266 Vic Mackie was a communist?

I mostly recall him being concerned with making things good for Vic Mackie - not income inequality.




Posted by: Mætenloch at January 16, 2013 04:28 PM (pAlYe)





Nah. I was just pointing out that the whole point of The Shield was to get the audience to cheer for the cop-killing, corrupt, thieving, raping, backstabbing, ratfucking, murdering antihero main character. Which succeeded in spades.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 16, 2013 05:07 PM (pqkoL)

267 The Progressives of Hollywood do as they will; the weak suffer as they must.

Posted by: Thucydides at January 16, 2013 05:10 PM (YxC+/)

268 @229 They did say "our preznit is a thoughtful and
analytical man" or words to that effect, but (as I recall) it was a
voice-over, and may have been a post-production add-on to the sound mix.
(Of course, that was 750ml of Dominican rum ago.) As I recall it now, a
tinge of irony ran through it.

Posted by: Thorvald at January 16, 2013 04:32 PM (1V6Pv)



That was slimeball Stannis Baratheon playing NSA Tom Donilon with that quote. And from the context (his character in ZDT being a weasel, not to mention in real life), it's definitely a sarcastic knife in JugEars' back.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 16, 2013 05:11 PM (pqkoL)

269 Posted by: The Ghose of Nikita Kruschev at January 16, 2013 05:00 PM (ZWaLo)

Darn those Ghoses!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 16, 2013 05:17 PM (bxiXv)

270 She's still guilty of "The Hurt Locker."

Posted by: General Zod at January 16, 2013 05:22 PM (2+bRt)

271 Hey, it's hard to spell in Hell. It's dark here.

Posted by: Ghost of Nikita Kruschev at January 16, 2013 06:09 PM (ZWaLo)

272 "I'm beginning to realize something horrifying: The West seemed
to win the Cold War, but in fact the Stalinists won where it matters, in
the mind, and therefore, in history, or at least in history as we
mutually agree it should be."

I know I'm super late to this thread, and this probably won't be read, but I am rather surprised to see Ace just coming around to the realization of a horror that, once I understood its implications completely, drove me screaming from the left almost 20 years ago.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at January 16, 2013 06:14 PM (WWuYG)

273
ZERO DARK THIRTY -A very good movie, intense yes.

Posted by: LYNNDH at January 16, 2013 06:49 PM (mr9Ns)

274 Bigelow's real sin here is not in defending torture (something the Left is quite comfortable with) but rather the film's implicit defense of George W Bush and those who worked on his behalf. That's what really gets their goat.

I can guaran-f**king-tee you that if Obama ordered this (and he probably has) the Left would brag about how he "made the hard choices" to "get the job done"

Posted by: Sam in VA at January 16, 2013 06:58 PM (YCvRs)

275 I've got a question for Hollywood, and I'm going to be a little blunter than usual, because I'm somewhat exasperated:

If we give the faggots gay marriage, can we keep liberty, or has everyone there, in between often just having high school diplomas, screwing each other in the most cutthoat avaricious capitalist ethos in America, and having sex and dong coke as seemingly mandatory activities--well, has everyone there somehow ascended to godhood and will now tell the rest of us what wisdom is? Because it sure as heck seems like it.

Posted by: H. at January 16, 2013 07:49 PM (YxC+/)

276 I'm beginning to realize something horrifying: The West seemed
to win the Cold War, but in fact the Stalinists won where it matters, in
the mind, and therefore, in history, or at least in history as we
mutually agree it should be. The subversive left's project of fighting
for Soviet Russia, employing all its viciously dishonest tricks and
manipulations, continues unabated.

A hideous thought, but seemingly true.

Posted by: George LeS at January 16, 2013 08:27 PM (C4s3i)

277 it doesn't help oscar quest that the movie was fucking boring

Posted by: joe44dc at January 17, 2013 01:36 AM (3zQJl)






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