Nation's Capital In Economic Boomtimes as It Skims Money from Increasingly Poor Hinterlands

As Instapundit says, when even the NY Times notices (about 15-18 months after most others did), it's safe to say everyone has now noticed.

Billions in federal spending, largely a result of two foreign wars, were pouring into the local economy by the early 2000s. Then came the housing bubble. But after it burst, a remarkable inversion occurred: as the country withered, Washington bloomed. Since 2007, the regional economy has expanded about three times as much as the overall country’s. By some measures, the Washington area has become the richest region in the country. It is now home to the three highest-income counties in the United States, and seven out of the Top 10.

he growth has arrived in something like concentric circles. Increased government spending has bumped up the region’s human capital, drawing other businesses, from technology to medicine to hospitality. Restaurants and bars and yoga studios have cropped up to feed and clothe and stretch all those workers, and people like Jim Abdo have been there to provide the population — which grew by 650,000 between 2000 and 2010 — with two-bedrooms with Wolf ranges.


...

How Washington managed this transformation, however, is not a story that the rest of the country might want to hear, because we largely financed it. As the size of the federal budget has ballooned over the past decade, more and more of that money has remained in the District. “We get about 15 cents of every procurement dollar spent by the federal government,” says Stephen Fuller, a professor of public policy at George Mason University and an expert on the region. “There’s great dependence there.” And with dependence comes fragility. About 40 percent of the regional economy, Fuller says, relies on federal spending.

And then there's the classism and racism -- something to keep in mind the next time a young liberal DC politico pops off about such matters. The city is divided into "good" (white, rich) neighborhoods and "bad" (poor, black) neighborhoods, and all those young liberal DC politicos definitely live in the former and not the latter, and that's not some kind of gigantic coincidence, either.


Washington, though, has become an increasingly two-class town. About a third of households make less than $60,000 a year, while around 45 percent make more than $100,000 a year. Relatively few are what might be traditionally considered middle class.

Perhaps that, more than anything, explains the appearance of the new gilded-age Washington, which is less about wealth than it is about the growth of one of the most ascendant petite bourgeoisies that the United States has known.

...

And these days, many lower-income families have moved from the District altogether, often to the suburbs of Maryland, like Prince George’s County, or even farther out. Newsome stressed that the change has been economically driven, but there are some racial overtones too.

“People will tell you it’s not about race, but it is,” said George Pelecanos, a Washington native, novelist and screenwriter who worked on “The Wire.” “It’s no longer a black city, and a lot is going to be lost because of that. But the flip side of that is, I try not to get too nostalgic about what Washington was.”

The article, being a NYT piece, explains that all this boomtime in the capital is due to... Reagan and Bush's push for contractors over federal workers and the War on Terror.

One strains to find a single sentence in the piece noting that Obama's trillion-plus-per-year deficits -- trillions of dollars not just extracted from the people in the hinterlands but from the children and grandchildren of the people in the hinterlands -- might have something to do with the boom.

Which is, incidentally, happening now, and not in 1987 under Reagan.

And yet this is all due to Reagan. And Bush.

I read it in the Times. It must be true!

Posted by: Ace at 02:26 PM



Comments

1 Starve the Leviathan.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 15, 2013 02:27 PM (XkWWK)

2 The NY Times is staffed by a stunning assortment of apologists for pretty much everything the left does.

Walter Duranty would be proud.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 15, 2013 02:29 PM (GsoHv)

3 The Hunger Games....

Posted by: sven10077 at January 15, 2013 02:30 PM (LRFds)

4
The tumor has become malignant.

Posted by: Nurse Scalpal at January 15, 2013 02:30 PM (NFVkx)

5 It's like Hunger Games.

DC is District 1

Posted by: EC at January 15, 2013 02:31 PM (GQ8sn)

6 As the size of the federal budget has ballooned over the past decade, more and more of that money has remained in the District


They had to use decade when actually the most "balooning" has occurred in the past 4 years.

Posted by: Vic at January 15, 2013 02:31 PM (53z96)

7
"Billions in federal spending, largely a result of two foreign wars, were pouring into the local economy by the early 2000s"
Sure, sure. Increases in federal employment, salaries, benefitsthough? Nah, that didn't have anything to do w/it, nor did an ever increasing level of Federal intrusion into every other aspect of life...

Posted by: Jess1 at January 15, 2013 02:31 PM (lbiWb)

8 But after it burst, a remarkable inversion occurred: as the country withered, Washington bloomed.
------

What? 362k for a small townhouse isn't the going rate?

Posted by: RWC at January 15, 2013 02:31 PM (fWAjv)

9 None of this Imperial Emerald City crap would be happening if we had an actually conservative Republican Party with a spine. Which we do not. Not even close.

Exhibit A: right now we have that useless bitch Lisa Morecokeski, R-AK, taking a break from her hard work of stuffing hundreds of millions of dollars of Alaska fisheries pork into the Hurricane Sandy relief bill, to say that she she "doesn’t think the debt limit should be used for political leverage."

The article goes on to say that "since borrowing will be required to pay off debts the country has
already incurred, [Morecokeski] said it would reflect badly on the U.S. to leave
its willingness to pay those bills in doubt."

And it doesn't "reflect badly on the U.S." that we're incurring more debt simply to PAY THE FUCKING INTEREST ON THE EXISTING DEBT?

http://tinyurl.com/ba8gumz

These people are small children playing with high explosives. It will not end well.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 15, 2013 02:32 PM (gqT4g)

10 The Hunger Games....
Posted by: sven10077 at January 15, 2013 02:30 PM (LRFds)


-----------------------------------------


Or a reasonable facsimilie thereof.

Posted by: Soona at January 15, 2013 02:32 PM (h2OkT)

11 I hate them all.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 15, 2013 02:32 PM (4df7R)

12 We need to British to make an encore appearance.

LiFB.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 15, 2013 02:33 PM (evdj2)

13 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 15, 2013 02:34 PM (/eBe8)

14 I read a book once about the War of 1812. Hmmmm.

Posted by: Soona at January 15, 2013 02:34 PM (h2OkT)

15 Where's Jennifer Lawrence and her crossbow when you need her?

We are all District 13 now.

Posted by: BlueStateRepub at January 15, 2013 02:35 PM (7ObY1)

16 I wonder if anyone has asked Suzanne Collins (Author of the Hunger Games), "How do you feel about the back-story of your novel being played out in front of our eyes?"

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 15, 2013 02:35 PM (/eBe8)

17 “It’s no longer a black city, and a lot is going to be lost because of that."
---

God forbid it is merely a "city," and not a "racially qualified" city.

The Wire is my favorite TV series but this idiot spent way too much time smoking sherm in Bawlmore.

Posted by: Not Ready to Unsock at January 15, 2013 02:35 PM (1FLBb)

18 We could slow this down if the Far Right wing nuts would quit blocking action

Posted by: GOP Leadership at January 15, 2013 02:35 PM (53z96)

19 what would we do without the media helping us figure it all out?

Posted by: ette at January 15, 2013 02:35 PM (nqBYe)

20 It’s no longer a black city, and a lot is going to be lost because of that.

Ray Nagan wept.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 15, 2013 02:36 PM (evdj2)

21 My only excuse is that I (and my family) were here LONG before all of this bullshit. Since 1967, in fact.

All these new parasite motherfuckers that came since the 2000s can suck my balls.

Posted by: Jeff B. at January 15, 2013 02:36 PM (Csnca)

22 Where's Jennifer Lawrence and her crossbow when you need her?



We are all District 13 now.


I thought she used a longbow?

Posted by: EC at January 15, 2013 02:36 PM (GQ8sn)

23 Meh, the FSA locusts will pick D.C. clean during the collapse.

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 15, 2013 02:36 PM (pUq3z)

24 17 We certainly wouldn't want to celebrate the economic mobility of poor minorities. Let's force them to remain in "black cities" so we can feel good about the novelty of our residence from the center of our rich white enclave on the other side of town.

Progtard racism for ya.

Posted by: Not Ready to Unsock at January 15, 2013 02:37 PM (1FLBb)

25 You think that 5.8 earthquake that hit DC in August 2011 could ratchet it up a full point to 6.8?

Posted by: kbdabear at January 15, 2013 02:37 PM (wwsoB)

26 Maybe "The Hunger Games" is prophetic.

Posted by: Al at January 15, 2013 02:37 PM (V70Uh)

27 Washington, though, has become an increasingly two-class town. About a third of households make less than $60,000 a year, while around 45 percent make more than $100,000 a year. Relatively few are what might be traditionally considered middle class.

Live the liberal dream. This is what they want. A country divided between the proles and the Inner Party. Ingsoc: Your future is a boot stamping on a human face, forever.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows we are now Airstrip One at January 15, 2013 02:37 PM (Lxw+T)

28 Have I mentioned lately how much I hate living in a badly scripted movie based on the bastard lovechild of "Animal Farm" and "Brave New World" after the latter had whored itself out to "1984" for cigarette money? Cuz I do.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 15, 2013 02:38 PM (4df7R)

29 I see I wasn't the only one to notice that the Times starts out with a blatant and ballsy lie in the very first sentence. They can't even wait to get into the meat of the article to display their partisan bona fides.

While the wars may have contributed a little they weren't even a drop in the bucket compared to entitlements etc... Washington would be about 1/10th the size it is without all of the extra-Constitutional shenanigans going on up there.




Posted by: Voluble at January 15, 2013 02:38 PM (qYvEa)

30 It was a Longbow!

Posted by: Al at January 15, 2013 02:38 PM (V70Uh)

31 Looking at the demographic setup of 2/3 poor and 1/3 rich, Washington isn't where you want to be when the economy collapses and the government doesn't have the Obamaphones and EBT cards to hand out

Posted by: kbdabear at January 15, 2013 02:39 PM (wwsoB)

32 Commie countries have the most beautiful palaces.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at January 15, 2013 02:39 PM (gkmF0)

33 Not to worry, no one reads the NY times anyway...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at January 15, 2013 02:39 PM (9+ccr)

34 I thought she used a longbow? Posted by: EC at January 15, 2013 02:36 PM (GQ8sn)

Oh, here we go....

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 15, 2013 02:39 PM (sbV1u)

35 In my darker moments I wonder that maybe the Iranians getting their nuke isn't such a bad thing, as they'll undoubtedly target DC to cut off the head of the Great Satan so the rest of the body will whither away, but the realization that even the mullahs probably know that won't happen and isn't so snaps me back to reality.

Posted by: BuddyPC at January 15, 2013 02:39 PM (jfUIE)

36 Commie countries have the most beautiful palaces.

Mr. President, we must not allow a gilded palace gap!!

Posted by: Gen. Buck Turgidson at January 15, 2013 02:40 PM (Lxw+T)

37 I can understand why lower income people are leaving DC. I just did a quick check of apartments and it looks like small 2 bedroom apartments are running between $2500 and $3000 a month in the city. That is higher than NYC.

Posted by: Vic at January 15, 2013 02:40 PM (53z96)

38 Where's Jennifer Lawrence....when you need her?





http://tinyurl.com/a5ov49x

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 15, 2013 02:40 PM (da5Wo)

39 i hate to be rude but, if we are to be blamed for everything, and the progressive party from their media , to leadership , to their voting fellow travelers are not Ever going to be held accountable, what is lost by actually standing for what is right?


Posted by: ette at January 15, 2013 02:40 PM (nqBYe)

40 "Billions in federal spending, largely a result of two foreign wars, were pouring into the local economy by the early 2000s"
My instincts told me it was Bush's fault, but I wasn't sure exactly how. Thanks for helping me clear that up, NYT!

Posted by: Timin203 at January 15, 2013 02:41 PM (5WxMt)

41 Looking at the demographic setup of 2/3 poor and 1/3 rich, Washington isn't where you want to be when the economy collapses and the government doesn't have the Obamaphones and EBT cards to hand out

That's why Igor Sikorsky gave us helicopters.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 15, 2013 02:41 PM (evdj2)

42 15 Where's Jennifer Lawrence and her crossbow when you need her?

We are all District 13 now.

Posted by: BlueStateRepub at January 15, 2013 02:35 PM (7ObY1)

Eye candy. Give me this ginger when the SHTF...

http://tinyurl.com/6ljw8yt

Posted by: RWC at January 15, 2013 02:41 PM (fWAjv)

43
"362k for a small townhouse isn't the going rate?"
That'd make a nice downpayment.

Posted by: Jess1 at January 15, 2013 02:41 PM (lbiWb)

44 "I try not to get too nostalgic about what Washington was"


Me either. It's just not worth getting misty-eyed over a mosquito infested swamp.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 15, 2013 02:41 PM (GFM2b)

45 The Capital is very unhappy with The Districts.

There will be 4 Tributes in The Games per District from now on until you people begin showing proper deference to The Capital.

Posted by: PresidentCoriolanus at January 15, 2013 02:41 PM (7ObY1)

46 We certainly wouldn't want to celebrate the economic mobility of poor minorities. Let's force them to remain in "black cities" so we can feel good about the novelty of our residence from the center of our rich white enclave on the other side of town. Posted by: Not Ready to Unsock at January 15, 2013 02:37 PM (1FLBb)

Liberalism makes sense if you realize it for what it actually is - a movement of the successful to pull up the ladder of opportunity behind them once they've become successful.

Evaluate every liberal idea in that light, and you'll never be wrong.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 15, 2013 02:42 PM (sbV1u)

47 People,people please! This isn't "real" money. It's all just ones and zeroes, credits and debits ok? So just lighten up a little and go with it. If we run out, no biggie. The Bernanke will just crank out a few more zeroes. Besides, Barky is Preezy for life, relax.

Posted by: wierd flunky at January 15, 2013 02:42 PM (X+nFp)

48 what is lost by actually standing for what is right?

"We wouldn't get invited to all the swanky parties anymore!"

-Republican Establishment

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 15, 2013 02:42 PM (4df7R)

49 I may have a temp job in Laurel, MD. Close up view of Fedzilla.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 15, 2013 02:43 PM (QidfK)

50 What we really need are some Accountants, to go over the books... and tell us how much of our Tax dollars actualy get used for somthing vice how much is lost in the Overhead of the Huge Mandarin system of beaurocrats...

Did you know that the Federal Government pays Lobbysists, to Lobby other parts of the Federal Government?

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 15, 2013 02:43 PM (lZBBB)

51
Eye candy. Give me this ginger when the SHTF...



http://tinyurl.com/6ljw8yt

Posted by: RWC at January 15, 2013 02:41 PM (fWAjv)


Holy crap, she's freakin' Legolas Greenleaf!

Posted by: EC at January 15, 2013 02:43 PM (GQ8sn)

52 That is higher than NYC.
Posted by: Vic at January 15, 2013 02:40 PM (53z96)

Yeah, everyone I know who works in /around DC lives in NoVa or out in Maryland. Mostly Virginia though, way better state to live in.

Posted by: Timin203 at January 15, 2013 02:43 PM (5WxMt)

53 Fuck the bathhousing Clymers at the NY Times. Shameless traitors to the 4th Estate, they are.

Posted by: eureka! at January 15, 2013 02:43 PM (HPRku)

54
As the size of the federal budget has ballooned over the past decade,

Yes that's it. The past decade. Not the past 4 years where the deficit has tripled, but the um... past decade ....that gets it into the Bush era conveniently.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 15, 2013 02:43 PM (p/cQy)

55 The contractors are *everywhere*... CMS (Medicare) contractors are in SC, FAA and DOD contractors are in MA...

Posted by: Lynne at January 15, 2013 02:43 PM (+Uv5V)

56 what is lost by actually standing for what is right?

Possibly losing a Republican seat somewhere, sometime, you silly impractical wingnut. Winning elections is what counts, not what you do with the office.


Silly Teabagger.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows we are now Airstrip One at January 15, 2013 02:43 PM (Lxw+T)

57 This would not be happening if the Far Right would just shut up and do what they're told.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at January 15, 2013 02:44 PM (qwK3S)

58 Washington now looks like Vegas of 2005.

Imagine when it looks like Vegas of 2010

Posted by: kbdabear at January 15, 2013 02:44 PM (wwsoB)

59 For shits and giggles, I brought this up from the thread below.

93
Here ya go, Horde. (Scan down to the third pic and see actual class,
then...brace yourselves...check out Hilary! in her golden cape ):

http://mrs-o.com/

Don't read the fawning comments. You'll lose your lunch.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 15, 2013 02:44 PM (UOM48)

60 >>Maybe "The Hunger Games" is prophetic.

Why not? Atlas Shrugged has been.

Posted by: LibertarianJim (team #letitburn) at January 15, 2013 02:44 PM (WDCYi)

61 If shooting starts in the next few months, it will be fourth generation asymmetrical warfare similar to Bill Clinton's rules of engagement in Serbia: Politicians, "intellectuals", and Media will be targeted by an insurgency.
The NYT needs to stop cheerleading or they need to go bankrupt for their own good.

Posted by: Daybrother is having a panic attack at January 15, 2013 02:45 PM (+paCV)

62 Where's Jennifer Lawrence....when you need her?






http://tinyurl.com/a5ov49x


With a subtle hint of sideboob.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at January 15, 2013 02:45 PM (kqqGm)

63 Washington now looks like Vegas of 2005.

Imagine when it looks like Vegas of 2010


Hopefully like Cestus III.

Posted by: James Tiberius Kirk at January 15, 2013 02:45 PM (Lxw+T)

64 It's all looking a bit to Hunger Games to me. I think I need a bow and arrow.

Posted by: Mrs Compton at January 15, 2013 02:46 PM (dX4hn)

65 Just because it's the Times doesn't mean it's all wrong. GWB and the republican majority did nothing but grow the government, grow entitlements and grow the debt. Sure, they were pikers compared to Obama, but those assholes had a chance to actually do something and they acted like the statist pricks they are.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 15, 2013 02:46 PM (+lsX1)

66 DC is beyond insane expensive to live in. I had a job offer in the heart of the beast that would have paid me $225K a year. I turned it down because even making $225k a year, it wasn't enough to make up for the cost of housing. Within a reasonable commute of the job, under 30 mins, a house comparable to the one I live in now would have cost in the $1M range. I could have afforded it I suppose, but I didn't want to spend every dime I made on a mortgage payment.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 15, 2013 02:46 PM (HDgX3)

67 Townhouses run from $500K to $4M depending on location and size.

Posted by: Vic at January 15, 2013 02:46 PM (53z96)

68 50 What we really need are some Accountants, to go over the books... and tell us how much of our Tax dollars actualy get used for somthing vice how much is lost in the Overhead of the Huge Mandarin system of beaurocrats... Did you know that the Federal Government pays Lobbysists, to Lobby other parts of the Federal Government?
Posted by: Romeo13 at January 15, 2013 02:43 PM (lZBBB)

No, what we need is for the federal government to us GAAP accounting and not their own accounting that is purposely impossible to figure out. I don't think ANYONE has any idea what the true finances of the US government look like.

Not that it matters... when the fed is buying 70% of the debt issued and we're just monetizing our debt (at interest), it's all fake money anyways

Posted by: Timin203 at January 15, 2013 02:46 PM (5WxMt)

69 53 Fuck the bathhousing Clymers at the NY Times. Shameless traitors to the 4th Estate, they are.
Posted by: eureka! at January 15, 2013 02:43 PM (HPRku)


The 4th Estate = The 5th Column

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 15, 2013 02:46 PM (XkWWK)

70 63 Washington now looks like Vegas of 2005.

Imagine when it looks like Vegas of 2010

Hopefully like Cestus III.
Posted by: James Tiberius Kirk at January 15, 2013 02:45 PM (Lxw+T)


Gorn are the days...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 15, 2013 02:47 PM (XkWWK)

71
Pelecanos has to be torn between crapping on his liberalEpstein-frobona fides and criticizing bloated government. So he goes with bloated government and knows he won't be called on it.

Sure, it isn't the city you write about in your "hangin' out with my bruthas" lit, but it is crawling with educated Democrats now. How can that possibly be a bad thing?

Posted by: spongeworthy at January 15, 2013 02:47 PM (r5w1L)

72 Mr. Orwell, Yes, I am rather mystified by the lack of desire of our betters to spend political capital holding our country from the ravages of fiscal insolvency and govt overreach , and , I find it interesting that there will be juct enough GOP left in power to point the finger at.
for not doing enough to stop the abyss from rushing at it.

Posted by: ette at January 15, 2013 02:47 PM (nqBYe)

73

Hmm...I think I will have to ban all high-capacityAssault Bows too,in my kingdom.
For the children.

Posted by: King Zero Dark Squirty at January 15, 2013 02:47 PM (fH4X9)

74
With a subtle hint of sideboob.


Posted by: John P. Squibob at January 15, 2013 02:45 PM (kqqGm)




The Horde doesn't do subtle.



http://tinyurl.com/ceprxv6

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 15, 2013 02:48 PM (da5Wo)

75

Which is, incidentally, happening now, and not in 1987 under Reagan.

And yet this is all due to Reagan. And Bush.

I read it in the Times. It must be true!
=======================
I recall reading that Jimmy Carter's policies ended the energy crisis, but not until after Reagan had gotten rid of them. You might as well talk to your parrot, at least he might repeat something intelligent. Liberals -- not so much

Posted by: mallfly at January 15, 2013 02:48 PM (bJm7W)

76 ye candy. Give me this ginger when the SHTF...



http://tinyurl.com/6ljw8yt


In about 90% of the video you don't get to see downrange. You can hear her hitting a target, but you don't know how accurate and how big the particular target is.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at January 15, 2013 02:48 PM (kqqGm)

77 I guess Paul Krugman was right that federal spending creates a boom economy.

In one metropolitan area.

As for all the other metro areas in America, Paul Krugman doesn't like you anyway.

Posted by: kbdabear at January 15, 2013 02:48 PM (wwsoB)

78 Liberalism is the art of feeling good about talking about doing good, while effecting the exact opposite, intentionally or otherwise.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 15, 2013 02:48 PM (aZ6ew)

79 61 The NYT needs to stop cheerleading or they need to go bankrupt for their own good.
Posted by: Daybrother is having a panic attack at January 15, 2013 02:45 PM (+paCV)


The root cause is Carlos Slim. Were it not for him, the Times would have gone under years ago.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 15, 2013 02:49 PM (XkWWK)

80 I may have a temp job in Laurel, MD. Close up view of Fedzilla.

Welcome in advance to the lovely state of Maryland, where a bill is being introduced to force non-union employees of union shops to pay into the DNC general fund dues.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 15, 2013 02:49 PM (B/VB5)

81 55
The contractors are *everywhere*... CMS (Medicare) contractors are in SC, FAA and DOD contractors are in MA...

Posted by: Lynne at January 15, 2013 02:43 PM (+Uv5V)

_____________________
I know several peeps who have spent the past decade as "temporary" contractors working on various Medicare projects. It's the gift that keeps on giving as a govt project is never really completed.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 15, 2013 02:49 PM (HDgX3)

82 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 15, 2013 02:46 PM (XkWWK)

True. A Pox on their dishonest houses.

Posted by: eureka! at January 15, 2013 02:49 PM (HPRku)

83 It's all looking a bit to Hunger Games to me. I think I need a bow and arrow.


The Walking Dead. Team Daryl.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 15, 2013 02:49 PM (GFM2b)

84 On Drudge:

Texas threatens to arrest ANY federales that comes to take guns.


Shit, I need to move there...

Posted by: EC at January 15, 2013 02:50 PM (GQ8sn)

85 Vic and Sean. Rummaging on HotPads around Laurel, MD. Geez $1000/month for a 1 bedroom. *gack*

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 15, 2013 02:50 PM (QidfK)

86 Yes, I am rather mystified by the lack of desire of our betters to spend political capital holding our country from the ravages of fiscal insolvency and govt overreach

I repeat, the purpose of being a politician, especially in the GOP, is to win elections. Everything done in office must subordinate itself to keeping office. If that means voting like a Democrat, so be it.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows being American means free rubbers and gun control at January 15, 2013 02:50 PM (Lxw+T)

87 Nation's Capital In Economic Boomtimes as It Skims Money from Increasingly Poor Hinterlands

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May the odds be ever in your favor, citizens of District 12.

Posted by: Effie Trinket at January 15, 2013 02:50 PM (e0xKF)

88 Give me this ginger when the SHTF...

Actually got cuter the more she shot.

Posted by: Pecan Scandi at January 15, 2013 02:51 PM (yvSVk)

89 Here ya go, Horde. (Scan down to the third pic and see actual class,

then...brace yourselves...check out Hilary! in her golden cape ):

http://mrs-o.com/

Don't read the fawning comments. You'll lose your lunch.


I thought Darth Vader's cape was black.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at January 15, 2013 02:51 PM (kqqGm)

90 trillions of dollars not just extracted from the people in the hinterlands but from the children and grandchildren of the people in the hinterlands


*smacks NYT writers with staff*

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 15, 2013 02:51 PM (VtjlW)

91
85
Vic and Sean. Rummaging on HotPads around Laurel, MD. Geez $1000/month for a 1 bedroom. *gack*


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 15, 2013 02:50 PM (QidfK)


Must be a really, really shitty area. The wife and I paid $1,250 a month for under 700 sq ft, one bedroom. And we got robbed within 6 months of moving in. While I was in the apt. We lived there from summer 2003 to summer 2006.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 15, 2013 02:52 PM (da5Wo)

92 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 15, 2013 02:50 PM (QidfK)


And that is not in the city.

Posted by: Vic at January 15, 2013 02:52 PM (53z96)

93 i hate to be rude but, if we are to be blamed for everything, and the
progressive party from their media , to leadership , to their voting
fellow travelers are not Ever going to be held accountable, what is lost
by actually standing for what is right?


That depends on what "standing for what is right" means.

Before you spell it out, consider what the last two years of Obama's second term might look like with a Democrat House and Senate majority.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 15, 2013 02:52 PM (SY2Kh)

94 Omnes viae Washingtonam ducunt.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at January 15, 2013 02:53 PM (mg08E)

95
btw, if interest rates ever rise on federal financing we are in for a massive boning (granted that some of the financing is 10 years or more).

We currently pay about $135 billion in annual interest, if rates rise to just 3% on $17 T we will be paying $510 billion annually.

If anybody thinks that the extra $400 billion is not going to come from you and your children, I have some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 15, 2013 02:53 PM (p/cQy)

96 Yes, I am rather mystified by the lack of desire
of our betters to spend political capital holding our country from the
ravages of fiscal insolvency and govt overreach



I repeat, the purpose of being a politician, especially in the GOP,
is to win elections. Everything done in office must subordinate itself
to keeping office. If that means voting like a Democrat, so be it.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows being American means free rubbers and gun control at January 15, 2013 02:50 PM (Lxw+T)

Zombie Uncle Milton Friedman explains it all to you. Again.http://tinyurl.com/yg2tdl5

Posted by: John P. Squibob at January 15, 2013 02:53 PM (kqqGm)

97 On Drudge:
Texas threatens to arrest ANY federales that comes to take guns.

Shit just got for reals.
May God bless Texas.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 15, 2013 02:54 PM (GFM2b)

98
"Townhouses run from $500K"
Very basic -likely w/o a garage + at least 5 miles outside of the Beltway (that isif you want unbroken windows, etc.)
"GWB and the republican majority did nothing but grow the government" Bush was rightfully castigated long loud here in other places, but they were insignificant fleas compared to the current despots.

Posted by: Jess1 at January 15, 2013 02:54 PM (lbiWb)

99 Liberalism makes sense if you realize it for what it actually is - a
movement of the successful to pull up the ladder of opportunity behind
them once they've become successful.

Evaluate every liberal idea in that light, and you'll never be wrong


Absolutely true. But the money and material things they grab over time do nothing for them, for there is only one feeling coursing through their veins and it's not "greed".

The only joy they get in life is forcing others to experience their misery. Even more than power consolidation, envy is the true cornerstone of liberal policy.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at January 15, 2013 02:54 PM (gkmF0)

100 That article pissed me off so badly that I actually wrote a letter to the NYT. I lived in the DC area from 1981 through 2004, and the city has changed drastically just since I left. The notion that this is somehow a culmulative result ofdefense spending that started with Reagan is ridiculous. In 1989, when Reaganleft office, most of DC was a decrepit no-man's land.

The article is certainlyright that DC is far wealthier than the rest of the country now, but it is wrong that this is due entirely to war-on-terror spending. Some of it is, but most of it is due to the exponential explosion in the number of highly paid lawyers, lobbyists, PR flacks, and those who cater to them. And this has very definitely happened since about 2003. It's become nearly impossible now to make an honest living as a business owner unless you (a) stave off excessive taxation and regulation to the extent you can; or (b) grab a big piece of the government pork for yourself, or (c) both. This requires a gigantic cadre of rent-seekers and they make a lot of money and they mostly live in DC so they can be closer to the sources of regulatory power and government money.

The defense and DHS contractors mostly live and work in Virginia, and have made Fairfax and Loudoun Counties very wealthy. But the wretched excess in DC is from the rent seekers and the businesses who cater to them. Believe me, the geek making $100k at Accenture is nothaving a 3-martinilunch every day at the Capitol Grille and dropping $100, and is not driving a Tesla. The guy making $500k as a lobbyist or lawyer or PR maven is. The fanciest offices in the city are the law and lobbying offices, and the AARP owns its own palatial building. The National Association of Realtors spent $35 million buildingtheir own building a block from the Capitol a few years ago. They are sure as hell not part of the War on Terror.

It's really sickening to go to DC now and see all the money being almost literally thrown around. If the rest of the people in the country knew how high these peoplewere living there, and how hard they are laughing at the rest of us who are paying for it, there would be a popular insurrection.

Posted by: rockmom at January 15, 2013 02:54 PM (NYnoe)

101 Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 15, 2013 02:48 PM (da5Wo)

I love you, man.

Posted by: kbdabear at January 15, 2013 02:48 PM (wwsoB)

In fairness, it was here that I learned the mantra, "7 minutes of bad guy."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 15, 2013 02:54 PM (/eBe8)

102 My Grandmother used to live in Falls Church before it was considered Washington. I stopped in to visit her on the way to NY back in 1971.

Posted by: Vic at January 15, 2013 02:54 PM (53z96)

103 Everything done in office must subordinate itself to keeping office. If that means voting like a Democrat, so be it.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows being American means free rubbers and gun control at January 15, 2013 02:50 PM (Lxw+T)

that seems to be the message i'm also receiving.
.

Posted by: ette at January 15, 2013 02:54 PM (nqBYe)

104 The day that Annie Lowrey is living under an overpass with a sign that says Will Propagandize for Food will be the best day of my life.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 15, 2013 02:54 PM (evdj2)

105 OT sidebar Kate Middleton portrait is a killer.

Posted by: sTevo at January 15, 2013 02:55 PM (xdYvJ)

106 BCochran, how lovely. I knew downtown Baltimore in daylight was taking my life into my own hands. But Laurel is away from there. Probably jumping the gun looking. Should see if they respond and what they offer. For a 6 week temp, not giving up everything I have presently.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 15, 2013 02:55 PM (QidfK)

107 84 EC,

I told you so.

Louisiana will not be gun grabby ground either.

If Texas is harmed I am a Texan.

//Lost Ohioan

Posted by: sven10077 at January 15, 2013 02:55 PM (LRFds)

108 Obama is now President Snow.

His past (?) coke use fits nicely, too.

Posted by: eman at January 15, 2013 02:55 PM (tBnjP)

109 On Drudge:

Texas threatens to arrest ANY federales that comes to take guns.


______________


It's 1 state rep that is proposing this bill. Does something this have a chance to actually pass and be signed into law by Perry?

Wyoming has something like this brewing as well.

Interesting times.....

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 15, 2013 02:56 PM (HDgX3)

110 84
On Drudge:

Texas threatens to arrest ANY federales that comes to take guns.


Shit, I need to move there...


Posted by: EC at January 15, 2013 02:50 PM (GQ8sn)



Didn't Wyoming already do something similar?

Posted by: Tami at January 15, 2013 02:56 PM (X6akg)

111 Give me this ginger when the SHTF... Actually got cuter the more she shot.
Posted by: Pecan Scandi at January 15, 2013 02:51 PM (yvSVk)


---------------------------------------------


I'm sure she was shooting at target profiles of little children.

Posted by: Soona at January 15, 2013 02:56 PM (h2OkT)

112 “It’s no longer a black city, and a lot is going to be lost because of that."


Chocolate City Ya'll!!!

Posted by: cajun carrot at January 15, 2013 02:57 PM (UZQM8)

113 Before you spell it out, consider what the last two years of Obama's second term might look like with a Democrat House and Senate majority.

That's going to happen anyway, so why fight it?

Posted by: Ian S. at January 15, 2013 02:57 PM (B/VB5)

114 The day that Annie Lowrey is living under an overpass with a sign that
says Will Propagandize for Food will be the best day of my life.


Funny how majoring in English and American Literature makes you qualified to report on economics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annie_Lowrey

Posted by: John P. Squibob at January 15, 2013 02:57 PM (kqqGm)

115 About a third of households make less than $60,000 a year, while around 45 percent make more than $100,000 a year.

The lawyer-government complex.

Posted by: AmishDude (No, the horse is not dead and I'll keep flogging it until it is) at January 15, 2013 02:57 PM (T0NGe)

116 The Walking Dead. Team Daryl.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 15, 2013 02:49 PM (GFM2b)


Sign me up, too!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 15, 2013 02:57 PM (4df7R)

117 It's 1 state rep that is proposing this bill. Does something this have a chance to actually pass and be signed into law by Perry?Wyoming has something like this brewing as well.Interesting times.....
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 15, 2013 02:56 PM (HDgX3)


------------------------------------------------


Ok probably has something being written up too. We just don't advertize it.

Posted by: Soona at January 15, 2013 02:58 PM (h2OkT)

118 The defense and DHS contractors mostly live and work
in Virginia, and have made Fairfax and Loudoun Counties very wealthy.
But the wretched excess in DC is from the rent seekers and the
businesses who cater to them. Believe me, the geek making $100k at
Accenture is nothaving a 3-martinilunch every day at the Capitol Grille
and dropping $100, and is not driving a Tesla. The guy making $500k as a
lobbyist or lawyer or PR maven is.

Posted by: rockmom at January 15, 2013 02:54 PM (NYnoe)

____________________
Hey!! I was one of those Accenture guys and I'm no geek. My mom says so

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 15, 2013 02:58 PM (HDgX3)

119 That's going to happen anyway, so why fight it?

It didn't happen in November. There's no reason to believe it'll happen in 2014 unless the GOP goes out of it's way to piss off the electorate they answer to.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 15, 2013 02:58 PM (SY2Kh)

120
"The defense and DHS contractors mostly live and work in Virginia, and have made Fairfax and Loudoun Counties very wealthy. But the wretched excess in DC is from the rent seekers and the businesses who cater to them. Believe me, the geek making $100k at Accenture is nothaving a 3-martinilunch every day at the Capitol Grille and dropping $100, and is not driving a Tesla. The guy making $500k as a lobbyist or lawyer or PR maven is. The fanciest offices in the city are the law and lobbying offices, and the AARP owns its own palatial building. The National Association of Realtors spent $35 million buildingtheir own building a block from the Capitol a few years ago. They are sure as hell not part of the War on Terror.

It's really sickening to go to DC now and see all the money being almost literally thrown around. If the rest of the people in the country knew how high these peoplewere living there, and how hard they are laughing at the rest of us who are paying for it, there would be a popular insurrection."
^^This, X 10,000. The sheer volume of construction in DC the MD suburbs dwarfs even the most jaded estimates, and not one dime is due to "war" or "defense" spending. Interestingly, VA, not MD has the wealthiest counties... couldn't have anything to do w/how the respective local governments are run, no?

Posted by: Jess1 at January 15, 2013 02:58 PM (lbiWb)

121 Does something this have a chance to actually pass and be signed into law by Perry?

Yes.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 15, 2013 02:59 PM (/eBe8)

122 They think the billions that poured in were from Defense spending??


They think over 100k is upper class???


No wonder these ignorant motherfuckers are tanking. It can't happen fast enough.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 15, 2013 02:59 PM (ROv35)

123 94 Omnes viae Washingtonam ducunt.
Posted by: Alec Leamas at January 15, 2013 02:53 PM (mg08E)


He said "doo-cunt."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 15, 2013 02:59 PM (XkWWK)

124
106
BCochran, how lovely. I knew downtown Baltimore in daylight was taking
my life into my own hands. But Laurel is away from there. Probably
jumping the gun looking. Should see if they respond and what they offer.
For a 6 week temp, not giving up everything I have presently.


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 15, 2013 02:55 PM (QidfK)


Baltimore is downright fucking frightening, day or night. DC isn't much better. When I was in law school in DC, there was a girl that was mugged at knife point. On the steps of the front entrance to the law school. At noon. (Big kudos to whatever genius decided that planting huge hedges on either side of the door was a bright idea when you're one block away from hell.)
Laurel is almost exactly halfway between DC and Baltimore. So you're only about a step and a half removed from the slums of both.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 15, 2013 02:59 PM (da5Wo)

125 The lawyer-government complex.

Big Law.

Posted by: eleven at January 15, 2013 02:59 PM (KXm42)

126 We currently pay about $135 billion in annual interest

That was only for the first three months of the fiscal year. Last year we paid $360B, and that only because of a one time accounting trick. The year before was $450B.

This year will be $500B.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 15, 2013 02:59 PM (evdj2)

127 Wait, I screwed up some numbers, never mind. We currently pay about $360 billion annually.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 15, 2013 02:59 PM (p/cQy)

128 What this article talks about is also why we cannot - not - not - not have a Presidential candidate in 2016 who has been any part of it. I dream of a Scott Walker running a populist campaign to run the money-changers out of the Capitol.

Posted by: rockmom at January 15, 2013 02:59 PM (NYnoe)

129 The Walking Dead. Team Daryl.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 15, 2013 02:49 PM (GFM2b)

Sign me up, too!
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 15, 2013 02:57 PM (4df7R)



I do believe I called dibs on Daryl awhile back.


You know, I really need to write some TWD fanfic wherein Daryl finally crossbows Rick in the fucking face for being an idiot.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at January 15, 2013 02:59 PM (VtjlW)

130 highly paid lawyers, lobbyists, PR flacks, and those who cater to them.

I will note that almost all of the lobbyists and PR flacks also hold law degrees.

We can destroy the political class and we can do it through bar membership. If you want to be in the special club, then you have to pay up -- big time.

Posted by: AmishDude (No, the horse is not dead and I'll keep flogging it until it is) at January 15, 2013 03:00 PM (T0NGe)

131 The funny thing is that I am pretty sure authors like Collins are liberals. They think they are describing a right wing tyranny in their works but don't realize that there is no left and right when it comes to tyranny... there is only tyranny. Obama and his brand of corporatism were not on the scene when The Hunger Games was written but she gets the details right about the bread and circuses being used to distract the masses in the cities while the hinterlands suffer.

The Handmaid's Tale is another example of a book that was written to impeach the right but only succeeds in proving that people are correct to fear centralized power in all its forms. I couldn't see the Reagan administration in it as the author intended but I could sure as hell see people rebelling against the oppression of a central government or fighting against barbaric religions like Islam.

It isn't what you want to use the force of government for that makes it wrong. It is that you want to use it at all.

Posted by: Voluble at January 15, 2013 03:00 PM (qYvEa)

132 http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/ir/ir_expense.htm

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 15, 2013 03:00 PM (evdj2)

133 Before you spell it out, consider what the last two
years of Obama's second term might look like with a Democrat House and
Senate majority.


Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 15, 2013 02:52 PM (SY2Kh)

i hear what you are saing. but what have we held back ?I asked this on another post without sarcasm, but a real question , what have we won for america since the progressives took power?

Posted by: ette at January 15, 2013 03:00 PM (nqBYe)

134 107 84 EC,

I told you so.

Louisiana will not be gun grabby ground either.

If Texas is harmed I am a Texan.

//Lost Ohioan

---

Yep, Jindal will throw in with Perry on this one.

One of the big groups which supported Jindal since his first run for statewide office was the self-proclaimed "Bubbas For Bobby". I don't see any way he caves on this one.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at January 15, 2013 03:00 PM (e0xKF)

135
They think over 100k is upper class???





No wonder these ignorant motherfuckers are tanking. It can't happen fast enough.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 15, 2013 02:59 PM (ROv35)

____________________
For a NYT reporter, $100K is upper class. Reporters don't make shit. That's why as a group they hate the rich.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 15, 2013 03:00 PM (HDgX3)

136 *slaps self for doing 2 things at once and then making myself an idiot in both*

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 15, 2013 03:00 PM (p/cQy)

137 Oh yeah, we are a nicely segregated town.

And yes, the Beltway Bubble is a real thing.

Posted by: Paul Zummo at January 15, 2013 03:01 PM (Ud5vq)

138
the rewriting of history is happenning right before your eyes

Posted by: soothsayer at January 15, 2013 03:01 PM (GcwH1)

139 Does something this have a chance to actually pass and be signed into law by Perry?


Yes. It was already "floated" by the Texas AG. It has a "rabbi".

Posted by: rickb223 at January 15, 2013 03:01 PM (GFM2b)

140 BCochran, now you are making just say 'No thank you' outright. Unless I get issued body armor and combat pay. Weapon I will bring, more if needed.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 15, 2013 03:01 PM (QidfK)

141 OT: Mark Sanford is running for Tim Scott's old seat in SC.

Posted by: Helen at January 15, 2013 03:01 PM (93bH6)

142 Things will never, ever, be Obama's fault. The first black president must be a success in the eyes of the people as well as history. Nothing less will do. Ever. Know that the fools in DC believe that to the bone, and all makes sense.

Posted by: sans_sheriff at January 15, 2013 03:01 PM (OQHM+)

143 Baltimore is downright fucking frightening, day or night. DC isn't much better.

Good. It's theirs they can have it. And Philthy and Detroit too.

Posted by: eleven at January 15, 2013 03:02 PM (KXm42)

144 They built this city.

Posted by: eleven at January 15, 2013 03:02 PM (KXm42)

145
What's more, they're re-shaping reality in real-time.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 15, 2013 03:02 PM (Ba6aP)

146
140
BCochran, now you are making just say 'No thank you' outright. Unless I
get issued body armor and combat pay. Weapon I will bring, more if
needed.


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 15, 2013 03:01 PM (QidfK)


Not to keep piling on, but good luck getting a gun into the state. It's lib as lib can be.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 15, 2013 03:03 PM (da5Wo)

147 What's more, they're re-shaping reality in real-time.

Those who remember the past ... will have to be dealt with.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 15, 2013 03:03 PM (evdj2)

148 What's more, they're re-shaping reality in real-time.
Posted by: soothsayer at January 15, 2013 03:02 PM (Ba6aP)


Well fuck. The Langoliers are all working for the MFM.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 15, 2013 03:04 PM (4df7R)

149 I don't like anywhere in MD save for the shore. MD and VA are two way different animals.

Posted by: RWC at January 15, 2013 03:04 PM (fWAjv)

150 Obama and his brand of corporatism were not on the scene when The Hunger Games was written but she gets the details right about the bread and circuses being used to distract the masses in the cities while the hinterlands suffer.

Liberals complain about "right-wing tyranny" because they're jealous.

They are happy with the military-industrial complex as long as "those are our planes now".

How many civil-rights or social justice advocates are really against slavery on principle?

Posted by: AmishDude (No, the horse is not dead and I'll keep flogging it until it is) at January 15, 2013 03:04 PM (T0NGe)

151 This would be a perfect subject for a FNC documentary hosted by Baier, Cavuto or Stossel, or all 3.

An in depth tour of the profligate lifestyles of the DC area crony capitalist parasite infrastructure, paired against a working class, rust belt city, to be repeated 5 times a week for months.

Real Parasites of DC

Posted by: ontherocks at January 15, 2013 03:04 PM (aZ6ew)

152 I seriously know how messed up they are. Friend tried to import her car from MN. Antique car but she wanted personal tags. Takes vehicle in for inspection. They failed her for rust in the pans and because she put the steering wheel back on like two splines off from true.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 15, 2013 03:05 PM (QidfK)

153 The Baltimore north suburbs are actually OK, and some areas of the city itself are getting better (one area was taken over by Teh Gheys and as you may know gangstas won't be seen within miles of that). But there are still large tracts where it's still As Seen On The Wire.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 15, 2013 03:05 PM (B/VB5)

154

Baltimore is downright fucking frightening, day or night. DC isn't much better.

__________

First time I was in the city, I was driving around and though, it's not THAT bad. Then I literally turned on a street, went one block and it was like I entered a Beirut circa 1985. Then I thought, ahhh, this it is THAT bad.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 15, 2013 03:05 PM (HDgX3)

155 I do believe I called dibs on Daryl awhile back.

Which is why we are on TEAM Daryl.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 15, 2013 03:06 PM (GFM2b)

156
Unemployment, gas prices.

It took less than 3 years to condition the people into dismissing these realities.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 15, 2013 03:06 PM (xVKk3)

157 How many civil-rights or social justice advocates are really against slavery on principle?
Posted by: AmishDude (No, the horse is not dead and I'll keep flogging it until it is) at January 15, 2013 03:04 PM (T0NGe)


Just find out how many of them employ illegals as nannies, housekeepers or groundskeepers. You don't employ illegals because they provide a better service; you do it because you can pay them dogshit.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 15, 2013 03:07 PM (4df7R)

158

I still can't believe that dickhead, Terry McAuliffe, is running for governor of VA.

Posted by: wheatie at January 15, 2013 03:07 PM (fH4X9)

159 Fuck Sanford. SC is presumably a red enough State to find someone who doesn't have his history of being a turd.

Posted by: lincolntf at January 15, 2013 03:07 PM (ZshNr)

160 I am a rather large man, and I grew up in New York City, taking the subway very late into areas that are now gentrified but were then . . . not gentrified. But walking through certain parts of Baltimore late at night, and areas not even a block removed from expensive condos - yeesh.

Posted by: Paul Zummo at January 15, 2013 03:08 PM (Ud5vq)

161 Baltimore inner harbor area isn't that bad. I stayed there a couple of nights for a conference and walked around a bit. The harbor area is nice. Lots of families out there, listening to live music played right on the marina area. I didn't notice anything too bad. I thought it was funny that all the titty bars were RIGHT across the street from the police station.

Posted by: EC at January 15, 2013 03:08 PM (GQ8sn)

162 Those who remember the past ... will have to be dealt with.
Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 15, 2013 03:03 PM (evdj2)


-------------------------------------------


And that's why people like irongrampa and I know that we'll resist. We're on the "death panel" list anyway. We have nothing to lose but our freedom.

Posted by: Soona at January 15, 2013 03:09 PM (h2OkT)

163 I think all of us who have experienced Baltimore would vote for it to be nuked. Except Inner Harbor area.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 15, 2013 03:09 PM (QidfK)

164 MFM delenda est.
.
It's very much the New Duranty Times' job to lie and distort and withhold in service of The Long March.
.
Compare deficits between 2003 to 2006 and 2007 to 2010 - before and after Democrats took over the legislature.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's mobile at January 15, 2013 03:09 PM (YZizW)

165 Style Guide is muttering something about "never say D.C., only The Capital from this day forth..."

Posted by: Mama AJ on Fire at January 15, 2013 03:10 PM (SUKHu)

166 Anna.....


Handgun purchases must be approved by the state police.

Buyers of
handguns must complete a training course or hold a concealed carry
permit.

Private sales of handguns are prohibited.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 15, 2013 03:10 PM (da5Wo)

167 I do believe I called dibs on Daryl awhile back.



Which is why we are on TEAM Daryl.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 15, 2013 03:06 PM (GFM2b)


I'm on Team Dewey!
"I must have four kidneys!!!"

Posted by: EC at January 15, 2013 03:10 PM (GQ8sn)

168 It's strange. The dividing line between filthy prosperity and abject poverty is a couple of blocks in some instances. 16st street NW is a perfect example. do NOT go east of that line. Go west you'll be fine.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 15, 2013 03:10 PM (jucos)

169 O/T: I'm going to have to insist the Moron responsible repeat Hobo Carcass Disposal training...

http://tinyurl.com/ap3qgfk

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Ampersand Wrangler at January 15, 2013 03:10 PM (GBXon)

170 Fact:

Until 1999, Microsoft had no office in Washington --no hired or in-house lobbyists, and no PAC. Then it got sued by Janet Reno. Within two years Microsoft was spending $5 million a year on lobbying, had a DC office with a dozen employees,and had a $1 million PAC which was operated by an outside PAC management firm that employs abouttwo dozen people.

I worked as a lobbyist briefly. My main client was a big mortgage company that no longer extists. My firm charged it $50,000 A MONTH, and it paid happily. I helped get it out of a class action lawsuit that would have cost it $2 billion, by getting HUD to properly interpret an obscure law and regulation. So it was money well spent by them, but it was a lot of money. The guy who owned my firm lived in a palatial home in McLean, on a double lot with a gigantic pool and tennis courts. He eventually sold the firm for $35 million to an even bigger firm.

Most of these lobbying firms have nothing to do with defense. They lobby for law changes, regulatory relief, tax credits and loopholes, earmarks, lawsuit avoidance, copyright extensions, patents, research grants, budget increases in welfare programs that their clients operate, etc. etc. Billions and billions are spent on this shit every year.In 2004,Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac between them had 36 lobbyists.

Posted by: rockmom at January 15, 2013 03:11 PM (qE3AR)

171 i hear what you are saing. but what have we held back ?I asked this on
another post without sarcasm, but a real question , what have we won for
america since the progressives took power?


You answered your own question.

Our side isn't going to win much of anything back when the progressives hold power. All that can be done is slow the advance.

Winning requires political power, and unfortunately gaining political power requires playing politics. Even a highly principled minority can't accomplish shit, as evidenced by the passage of Obamacare.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 15, 2013 03:11 PM (SY2Kh)

172
OTR, great idea and title.

If you visit nearly any state capital, it is a slum with a dome in the middle. We need DC to return to being a slum with the dome and the state capitals to thrive. Where we can watch the fuckers better.

Posted by: spongeworthy at January 15, 2013 03:12 PM (r5w1L)

173 Baltimore inner harbor area isn't that bad. I stayed
there a couple of nights for a conference and walked around a bit. The
harbor area is nice. Lots of families out there, listening to live music
played right on the marina area. I didn't notice anything too bad. I
thought it was funny that all the titty bars were RIGHT across the
street from the police station.


Posted by: EC at January 15, 2013 03:08 PM (GQ8sn)

Inner Harbor isn't bad, you're right. But go one block away....
We were walking back to our car one night, glance down an alleyway to see someone down and motionless with cops and paramedics attending. Stabbing victim. No more than two blocks from the Inner Harbor.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 15, 2013 03:12 PM (da5Wo)

174 BCochran, then I am glad I never plan to buy a weapon in Maryland. After my six months in MD and then seeing people think Michael Steele was such a wonder, well I had a hard time controlling my snickers. I knew he was a squish.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 15, 2013 03:13 PM (QidfK)

175 FWIW, every time I have to go to DC, I hate it.
Don't get me wrong, I love the museums, got to see the whitehouse garden last time I was there. But still, seething hate by the time I leave.
Everyone there acts like they're someone important, with power. And not just when it's useful (I have to do this sometimes when I get caught in a medical bureaucracy dealing with my Mother-in-Law's problems, that sort of "listen, I know medicine and I know how to make your life miserable, let's just make things right.)
They walk around like this. Like they'll sick 1000 federal regulators on you just because they can.

It's disturbing.

Posted by: Public Health Officials at January 15, 2013 03:15 PM (Y0nDU)

176 162 Soona,

IPAB or the Gulag Barry's got plans for all over 60 that are not Friends of Barry if he ever gets his mao on.

I'm a veteran, History ed buff, with awards for writing on Americanism and Government from the American legion and VFW if they look hard enough written from a Reagan Republican perspective.

I'll be beside you.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 15, 2013 03:17 PM (LRFds)

177 There was a series on Weather Channel called "It Could Happen Tomorrow", and one episode had a tornado wrecking DC.

Please, let it happen tomorrow

Posted by: kbdabear at January 15, 2013 03:17 PM (wwsoB)

178 Slightly appropriate sock off!

Also FWIW, the Government pay scale adds "locality" to all their numbers. If you moved from STL to DC you'd get like an instant 15% raise just due to increased "locality" so it's a self referential cycle.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at January 15, 2013 03:17 PM (Y0nDU)

179 163 Ms Puma,

Move the rusty Scupper and the Museum pieces and I'm game.....hell I'd settle for saving the Connie.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 15, 2013 03:18 PM (LRFds)

180 175
FWIW, every time I have to go to DC, I hate it.
Don't get me wrong, I
love the museums, got to see the whitehouse garden last time I was
there. But still, seething hate by the time I leave.
Everyone there
acts like they're someone important, with power.

It's disturbing.


Posted by: Public Health Officials at January 15, 2013 03:15 PM

Try living in L.A. for 15 years

Posted by: kbdabear at January 15, 2013 03:18 PM (wwsoB)

181 When they built the stadium they built it where the poor lived. The poor ended up relocating to Baltimore. Eventually they'll decide to "develop" another neighborhood full of the poor and they too will flee to Baltimore. They are the very same leftists who push low income housing on every other city and state but yet, as their poor leave, they help them go. DC is booming and a very expensive place to live. It will never be NY or LA but they managed to have all the civil servants get mega raises from our current president and those folks bought expensive condos in expensive DC neighborhoods. Put in their ginormous pensions and the perks of have the gold standard of health care, not obamacare for the plebeians, and you wonder why you wouldn't work in DC if you could, you'd be crazy not too, the people in DC, our public servants are the new nouveau riche.

Posted by: Caustic at January 15, 2013 03:18 PM (/b8+5)

182 #172 That is so true! Trenton, NJ, is the biggest shithole I've ever seen. Harrisburg, PA, Sacramento, CAand Albany, NY aren't much better. That's because most state money goes out into the communities to support public schools and health care, and there are very few lobbyists at the state level and they don't make a lot of money.

The best state Capitols are also home to large universities, like Austin and Boston and Nashville, that bring in lots of money and keep it in the city. DC also benefits from some very expensive universities, but the money they bring in is dwarfed by the lobbyist money.

Posted by: rockmom at January 15, 2013 03:19 PM (qE3AR)

183
They think over 100k is upper class???

It is upper class.

You may not think it's rich, it's not a drop in the bucket compared to Bill Gates or Donald Trump, but it's 3 times as much as a lot of people make. I think the national average is about $45k, or less than half of that.

Posted by: Entropy at January 15, 2013 03:19 PM (TULs6)

184 164 Mero,

HATE FACTS!

//Shempf Smiff FauxNews

Posted by: sven10077 at January 15, 2013 03:19 PM (LRFds)

185 Baltimore is 10 times worse than DC. I won't go there. The Inner Harbor is NOT safe. The feral youth in Baltimore are a breed apart and a lot closer to the tourist area (Stadiums and Inner Harbor) than they are in DC. Much of what happens down in Baltimore is simply not reported on. Scary.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 15, 2013 03:20 PM (jucos)

186 183 Entropy,

Folks don't like being reminded what 1% really means.

Hey gang almost all Americans LIVE like the 1%.....

what liberals are about what all this OW$/F$S/Neo marxist bullshit is about is "control" they want to be "wage assigners"

Posted by: sven10077 at January 15, 2013 03:21 PM (LRFds)

187
Fast-archery gal is fast, but using seems to be using a weird variant on the primary loose (gripping the arrow with the thumb and forefinger) that keeps her palm away from her face. Pretty much every culture that used bows for actual fighting or hunting had the palm towars the face and used a loose that pulled primarily on the string, not the arrow. I strongly suspect that she is using a very low-powered bow (30lbs or less) and the loose is probably not conducive to consistency, meaning lesser accuracy.

I still wouldn't her shooting at me at close range without a shield or something, though.

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 15, 2013 03:21 PM (rZPpd)

188 No wonder the press is sure everything is ok, they are living in that bubble.

Posted by: gulfkraken at January 15, 2013 03:21 PM (WBfjO)

189 "When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators" - PJ O'Rourke

Posted by: kbdabear at January 15, 2013 03:22 PM (wwsoB)

190 I still can't believe that dickhead, Terry McAuliffe, is running for governor of VA.
Did you see last night's thread that claimed VA was going blue? The actual poll linkyhad it at a dead-even tie and McAuliffe had dropped a few points from a few months ago. For some reason, Mark Warner, in his next senatorial bid, leads in double digits even though he has no challenger.

Ken Cucinnelli, the TEA Party AG, is running for gov. He ought to be very worried. On my way home from a "Lt. Gov's of VA 2013" stump speech program last night I had the local black station on. They are already running commercials about getting "involved" in the governor's race. I have never heard them run stuff like that before. For Obama, yes; for a white-boy gov candidate, no.

Posted by: RushBabe at January 15, 2013 03:24 PM (tQHzJ)

191 "And then there's the classism and racism"

AKA what everyone does if they can. people aren't generally trying to mingle in the hood

Posted by: JDP at January 15, 2013 03:25 PM (60GaT)

192 Everything revolves around Versaille. Weren't you aware of that?

Posted by: Mikey NTH - sees the gods of the copybook headings on the horizon at January 15, 2013 03:27 PM (hLRSq)

193 Hey, BC, that "training class" is a 10 minute only video with no test, just watch the video and print your card. Lasts a lifetime.

MD is not super gun friendly (essentially no concealed carry) but it's not too bad. I hate having to say that my rights aren't infringed upon too badly by the government, but we're miles better than the rest of the blue states.

Posted by: DC in Towson at January 15, 2013 03:28 PM (P47hr)

194
"Billions and billions are spent on this shit every year"
Herein lies a key fact - this "hidden" tax burden is what will kill the Republic. Not Federal/State/Local "taxes" - the "official" income, but rather the billions upon billions spent to grease the paths of official Washington, all of which is added to the price of every good service across the nation.

Posted by: Jess1 at January 15, 2013 03:29 PM (lbiWb)

195 I liked the country better when DC was run by the homeless and that crack dealer.

Posted by: gulfkraken at January 15, 2013 03:30 PM (WBfjO)

196 Politicians see themselves standing on high, august Solons dispensing wisdom and free shit to the unfortunate masses below.
.
Reality is closer to a mafia protection racket, pass onerous regulations and take bribes from those who can afford to buy their way out.
.
Some bribes are money, some less obviously, like supporting other power grabs or bringing money to a district (or DC).

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's mobile at January 15, 2013 03:30 PM (YZizW)

197 I'm a pretty big guy who kickboxes for fun, I know all sorts of martial arts, and yet there are parts of Buffalo where I will not go, even in broad daylight.

Last time I was in one of those neighborhoods, visiting a dying friend in Roswell Park Cancer Hospital, I was stopped at a red light when an almost certainly stolen SUV full of gangbangers rear ended me hard.

I started to open my car door and found myself staring at the business end of a Glock. Fuckers screamed something at me and turned illegally on the red and shot down a side street.

The one fucking time I venture into one of those neighborhoods, and to pay my final respects to a buddy who was like a brother to me.

The vast majority of this shit doesn't get reported. Fatal shootings every damn night on the East Side.

Posted by: PresidentCoriolanus at January 15, 2013 03:31 PM (7ObY1)

198 Facts are scary things to some people, sven.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's mobile at January 15, 2013 03:33 PM (YZizW)

199 "You may not think it's rich, it's not a drop in the bucket compared to Bill Gates or Donald Trump, but it's 3 times as much as a lot of people make. I think the national average is about $45k, or less than half of that."


100k in DC is decidedly NOT upper class. The discussion wasn't about the "National Average", it was about DC.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 15, 2013 03:33 PM (ROv35)

200
Folks don't like being reminded what 1% really means.

Wikipedia income quintiles.

The top 2% make over $250,000/yr. (That puts an interesting spin on plan B.... wtf lol... did they end up passing Plan B after all? Or something even less progressive???? Wheels within wheels)

If you make $100,000/yr or more, you are in the top 10% income earners. Hard to argue the top 10% isn't 'upper class'. One would guess with 3 groups, the cut-offs would be 33% and 66%.

$45,000-48,000/yr would be middle class, 50th percentile.

$22,000/yr or less puts you in the bottom quarter, and the bottom 10% make less than $12,000/yr.

Most rich people seem physically incapable of admitting they're rich. "Oh we're middle class".

Posted by: Entropy at January 15, 2013 03:34 PM (TULs6)

201
100k in DC is decidedly NOT upper class. The discussion wasn't about the "National Average", it was about DC.

Ahh. So if you only get payed $3,000,000 for your movie, in Hollywood you're "working poor"? Maybe they need foodstamps.

Posted by: Entropy at January 15, 2013 03:35 PM (TULs6)

202 For some reason, reading about the explosive growth and nouveau riche gaudiness and grandeur of our capital and the corresponding decline of the states made me think of the movie 'Citizen Kane', which in turn made me think of the opening lines of the Coleridge poem, 'Kubla Khan':

In Xanadu did Kubla Khan
A stately pleasure-dome decree:
Where Alph, the sacred river, ran
Through caverns measureless to man
Down to a sunless sea.

Appropos of nothing, I guess. It's just how my mind works. A few years from now, I'm guessing we'll see swarms of ragged children begging in the streets and whole swaths of rural America looking like something out of Steinbeck's fictional Grapes Of Wrath or California's very here-and-now Central Valley.

We must do something, and soon.

Posted by: troyriser at January 15, 2013 03:40 PM (vtiE6)

203 The one fucking time I venture into one of those neighborhoods, and to pay my final respects to a buddy who was like a brother to me. The vast majority of this shit doesn't get reported. Fatal shootings every damn night on the East Side.
Posted by: PresidentCoriolanus at January 15, 2013 03:31 PM (7ObY1)

You did right by seeing your buddy. Sorry about the near-death experience.I've looked down the bad end of the barrel before and so know how you felt. God decided it wasn't my time yet, and evidently thought it wasn't yours, either.

Posted by: troyriser at January 15, 2013 03:48 PM (vtiE6)

204
the money stays in D.C. because they all live there, not just when congress is in session but always, geez it's almost as if this was all foreseen by the Founders, like they knew if a new political elite sprang up it would occupy the Capital and suck all wealth towards itself.

but we all know that the Founders were just a bunch of old, white, patriarchal, rich guys who didn't know their asses from a hole in the ground... at least that's the impression I get from the TV box.

Posted by: Shoey at January 15, 2013 03:53 PM (jdOk/)

205 There they go with the two Foreign Wars trope. Obama spent more on his failed stimulus than we spent in Iraq.

Posted by: Max Entropy at January 15, 2013 03:53 PM (qcd8f)

206
I'm convinced more every day that Obama genuinely wants to provoke another Ruby Ridge or Waco scenario that he can then hold a press conference on, surrounded by children of course, and claim that for the good of the children, and because of Congress' reluctance, he is temporarily granting himself unlimited power to help us through this time of need.

And he will officially be an emperor... who will then go ahead and build that Death Star because to not do so would be racist.

My staunch gun control wife even asked me the other night if we should get a gun. This will not end well. We're living in the decades prior to Civil War 2, mark my words. Not sure when it will hit, only that it will hit and hit hard.

On the plus side, once the shooting starts, I have no trouble believing that the FSA will swarm like random locusts against people with actual training who know how to hit their targets. Taking a few of them down will scatter the lot for a time. This will only end in bloodshed as history continues to teach us again, and again, and again, and again.

Posted by: sans_sheriff at January 15, 2013 03:54 PM (OQHM+)

207 You did right by seeing your buddy. Sorry about the near-death experience.I've looked down the bad end of the barrel before and so know how you felt. God decided it wasn't my time yet, and evidently thought it wasn't yours, either.

Thanks, man. I appreciate that, I really do.

Posted by: PresidentCoriolanus at January 15, 2013 04:00 PM (7ObY1)

208 On the plus side, once the shooting starts, I have no trouble believing that the FSA will swarm like random locusts against people with actual training who know how to hit their targets. Taking a few of them down will scatter the lot for a time. This will only end in bloodshed as history continues to teach us again, and again, and again, and again.
Posted by: sans_sheriff at January 15, 2013 03:54 PM (OQHM+)

I disagree with that bit about the feds going after hard-target types with training. If Waco and Ruby Ridge taught us anything, it's that the federal government prefers shooting women in the back and standing off from a distance with blaring loudspeakers while burning children to death.

But yes, I feel hard times are coming our way, too. So tell your wife, 'Yes, honey. You're absolutely right. We need a gun. We need lots of guns. And lots of ammo, too.'

Posted by: troyriser at January 15, 2013 04:04 PM (vtiE6)

209
100K in DC might not seem like much because you live and shop in the 1% area.

If you do your shopping where the $12,000/yr income earners do their shopping you could probably buy the store.

Posted by: Entropy at January 15, 2013 04:10 PM (TULs6)

210 According to the NYT, Bush and Reagan were so stupid, that the NYT has to print lies about them to make them look stupid.
.
Because potato.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's mobile at January 15, 2013 04:43 PM (YZizW)






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