2013 Governors Race Polling Recap

Virginia looks blue, New Jersey looks red as we start off polling for the 2013 races.

If you are looking for a glimmer of happiness, Arkansas looks like a solid Republican pickup and Pennsylvania a weak Republican hold in the 2014 gubernatorial contests, per two polls from Public Policy Polling.

So uh, yeah. Get your act together in the Old Dominion state.

Posted by: CAC at 05:17 PM



Comments

1 After the artificial sphincter and Jodie Foster's cornball dyke thread, I'm pooped.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 14, 2013 05:19 PM (XkWWK)

2 Virgina is getting the greasy spillover from DC, duh.

Posted by: toby928 for TB at January 14, 2013 05:19 PM (QupBk)

3 Get your act together in the Old Dominion state.

Suggestions? I mean other than shooting my coworkers and neighbors?

Posted by: pep at January 14, 2013 05:20 PM (6TB1Z)

4 Marc Levin's locust theory in play in VA.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 14, 2013 05:20 PM (XkWWK)

5 Haha. All those suckers in the 5 minute old threads.

Posted by: Flounder at January 14, 2013 05:20 PM (Kkt/i)

6 Dueling thread postings?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 14, 2013 05:21 PM (yiIja)

7 Since 1977, Virginia has elected a Governor of the party NOT in the White House every single time.

If McAuliffe could get the 2012 electorate, he would have a good chance. But that's not going to happen.

Posted by: Adjoran at January 14, 2013 05:21 PM (ZHQvg)

8 A poll? A poll?!?!?!?



NOOOOoooooooo!!!!!!!


*runs screaming*

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 14, 2013 05:22 PM (GEICT)

9 No point in posting the poll for VA-Senate, btw.
Here's a spoiler:
Warner wins easily. Double-digits. Not even worth trying.

Posted by: CAC at January 14, 2013 05:22 PM (gB3IC)

10
After the artificial sphincter and Jodie Foster's cornball dyke thread, I'm pooped.

Politics, only slightly less nauseating than the artificial sphincter thread.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 14, 2013 05:22 PM (yiIja)

11 I hope Dave in FL isn't lurking...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 14, 2013 05:22 PM (XkWWK)

12 Pushing down the Ewok. That's a paddlin'.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 14, 2013 05:23 PM (WLpmE)

13 Doesn't matter. There's nothing we can do any more.

Jesus... feelin' a bit Eyore today.

Posted by: Terry at January 14, 2013 05:23 PM (TJ8HB)

14 CAC strikes back! Boom!

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 14, 2013 05:23 PM (ZPrif)

15 #11
Has Dave been around since election night?
I've been sick for a while, popping in occasionally so I wouldn't know.

Posted by: CAC at January 14, 2013 05:24 PM (gB3IC)

16 7 Posted by: Adjoran at January 14, 2013 05:21 PM (ZHQvg)


Considering what happened 2 month ago, I take nothing for granted any more.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 14, 2013 05:24 PM (XkWWK)

17 New Jersey is Red in name only.

Posted by: Andy at January 14, 2013 05:25 PM (C/NnJ)

18 I haven't seen him CAC.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 14, 2013 05:25 PM (GEICT)

19 15 #11
Has Dave been around since election night?
I've been sick for a while, popping in occasionally so I wouldn't know.
Posted by: CAC at January 14, 2013 05:24 PM (gB3IC)


I've been here pretty consistently and have not seen his nic at all. I think he packed it in (figuratively, not literally).

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 14, 2013 05:25 PM (XkWWK)

20 New Jersey looks red

Appearances, well...fuck, they sure can be deceiving.

Posted by: akula51 at January 14, 2013 05:26 PM (YesJa)

21 The poll linked in VA is a tie. Are we giving up 10 month before the election because a poll shows a tie?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 14, 2013 05:27 PM (HDgX3)

22
I've been here pretty consistently and have not seen his nic at all. I think he packed it in (figuratively, not literally).

If he's smart, he's out fishing, playing with the kids or getting drunk.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 14, 2013 05:27 PM (yiIja)

23 20 New Jersey looks red

Appearances, well...fuck, they sure can be deceiving.
Posted by: akula51 at January 14, 2013 05:26 PM (YesJa)


Chris Christie: Santa Claus from afar. Michael Moore up close.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 14, 2013 05:27 PM (XkWWK)

24 It is evident from 2012 elections that voter fraud is so deeply entrenched and rampant it doesn't matter WHO we vote for. There are places where, for example, we vote 99% for a Republican and the Democrat actually wins the election by 102% votes.

Don't think for a moment the polls mean anything in this banana republic.

Posted by: Did We Forget So Soon? at January 14, 2013 05:27 PM (b4JBG)

25 22 If he's smart, he's out fishing, playing with the kids or getting drunk.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 14, 2013 05:27 PM (yiIja)


That was the gist of his last post on the morning after. More power to him, I say.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 14, 2013 05:28 PM (XkWWK)

26 It is too soon for polls!

Posted by: CarolT at January 14, 2013 05:28 PM (DRG6e)

27 The VA poll also showed the 'Rat leading by 4 in Nov and now only leading by 1. Let's not slit our wrists just yet.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 14, 2013 05:29 PM (HDgX3)

28 #26
Never too soon for polls.
Must have polls.

Posted by: CAC at January 14, 2013 05:29 PM (gB3IC)

29 As far as NJ goes, I am donating to the Democrat that runs against Kritie Kreme. I don't care if it's the most liberal Democrat in the history of the world. I want that fat fuck gone.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 14, 2013 05:30 PM (HDgX3)

30 #27
There are two polls for VA.
Q's D+1
PPP's D+5
PPP was better in November 2012 and 2010 in terms of accuracy.

Posted by: CAC at January 14, 2013 05:30 PM (gB3IC)

31 polls, Poles, poles, whatever.

Posted by: tubal at January 14, 2013 05:30 PM (BoE3Z)

32 24 Posted by: Did We Forget So Soon? at January 14, 2013 05:27 PM (b4JBG)

Fraud or no fraud, our party is at best indifferent to us and at worst openly collaborating in the destruction of the republic and the subversion of the Constitution

And as the absolute final firewall between freedom and tyranny is Munich-ed before our eyes, I say all bets are off.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 14, 2013 05:31 PM (XkWWK)

33 10110010110110100010100010101

Posted by: 010110100101001 at January 14, 2013 05:32 PM (Hz1zc)

34 There are places where, for example, we vote 99% for a Republican and the Democrat actually wins the election by 102% votes. ___
Where did this occur?

Posted by: kallisto at January 14, 2013 05:32 PM (jm/9g)

35

stick yo polls up yo ass

Posted by: soothsayer at January 14, 2013 05:33 PM (1WM2H)

36 There are two polls for VA.

Q's D+1

PPP's D+5

PPP was better in November 2012 and 2010 in terms of accuracy.

________________________

I didn't see he PPP poll. I still don't trust a thing they say. I'd say the same about any polling company that is an SEIU/KOS partner. Just like I wouldn't trust a polling company that is a partner of the NRA/RedState to tell me about gun issues.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 14, 2013 05:33 PM (HDgX3)

37
Oh great a thread on polls.
Troll bait.

Posted by: YIKES! at January 14, 2013 05:33 PM (mETGQ)

38 32
24 Posted by: Did We Forget So Soon? at January 14, 2013 05:27 PM (b4JBG)



Fraud or no fraud, our party is at best indifferent to us and at
worst openly collaborating in the destruction of the republic and the
subversion of the Constitution



And as the absolute final firewall between freedom and tyranny is Munich-ed before our eyes, I say all bets are off.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 14, 2013 05:31 PM (XkWWK)
In light of your statement, I can only say that party allegiance is pretty damned foolish and futile now. I gotta go with voting on an individual basis like never before in my sad pointless life.

Posted by: tubal at January 14, 2013 05:34 PM (BoE3Z)

39 33
Now that Moonbeam has (again) balanced the California budget, there's an
opening for another fiscally-disastrous former actor turned GOP pol to
assume power and screw it up again. I'm thinking Mel Gibson.

Posted by: Jordan at January 14, 2013 05:32 PM (Hz1zc)

____________________________
Balanced budget? CA? Jordan, whatever it is you're smoking, pleeeaze give me some.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 14, 2013 05:34 PM (HDgX3)

40 Gerg, please pick up the white courtesy phone...




...and beat yourself to death with it.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 14, 2013 05:34 PM (XkWWK)

41 This is NOT helping my ADHD.

Posted by: jakeman at January 14, 2013 05:35 PM (96M6e)

42
eh, elections...I guess I am over them. not entirely sure I will ever vote again.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 14, 2013 05:35 PM (p/cQy)

43 Fraud or no fraud, our party is at best indifferent to us and at worst
openly collaborating in the destruction of the republic and the
subversion of the Constitution


Oh, stow it. You may not like these people, but they aren't all evil. I thought we were the party that didn't buy into crazy conspiracy theories.

Posted by: pep at January 14, 2013 05:35 PM (6TB1Z)

44 Meh. The die is cast and the Rubicon has been crossed. Now all we are doing is re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic. 80 plus years of progressive socialism has doomed this country.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 14, 2013 05:35 PM (jucos)

45 38 In light of your statement, I can only say that party allegiance is pretty damned foolish and futile now. I gotta go with voting on an individual basis like never before in my sad pointless life.
Posted by: tubal at January 14, 2013 05:34 PM (BoE3Z)


More importantly, if you donate, make sure it's to individual candidates and NEVER to the RNC, RSC or RNCC.

Fuck them.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 14, 2013 05:35 PM (XkWWK)

46

What I'd say.

Posted by: YIKES! at January 14, 2013 05:36 PM (mETGQ)

47
At the national level, we're screwed. The only hope is at the state level.

I just hope FL gets its feces amalgamated and turns a bright glowing moltenred. But with the reelection of Bill Nelson, DWS and The Idiot Alan Grayson, I'm not hopeful.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 14, 2013 05:36 PM (yiIja)

48
PA is getting redder and redder. Corbett is very unpopular.

He will lose in 2014.

He will be the first PA governor not to serve two terms since 1971.

Posted by: Ed Anger at January 14, 2013 05:36 PM (tOkJB)

49 42
eh, elections...I guess I am over them. not entirely sure I will ever vote again.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 14, 2013 05:35 PM (p/cQy)

Can I have yours if your not using it?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 14, 2013 05:36 PM (XkWWK)

50 I've contemplated not voting again.I live in Ca. so my vote never counts for anything anyway and right now I'm tooooo damned pissed

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at January 14, 2013 05:37 PM (9+ccr)

51 Never too soon for polls.
Must have polls.


Never too soon for poles? Dancers up!

Posted by: rickb223 at January 14, 2013 05:37 PM (t9REa)

52 43 Oh, stow it. You may not like these people, but they aren't all evil. I thought we were the party that didn't buy into crazy conspiracy theories.

Posted by: pep at January 14, 2013 05:35 PM (6TB1Z)


What conspiracy? Tell me that John Boehner, Mitch McConnell and Karl Rove are staunch Reaganites.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 14, 2013 05:38 PM (XkWWK)

53
PPP was better in November 2012 and 2010 in terms of accuracy.

Posted by: CAC at January 14, 2013 05:30 PM (gB3IC)
PPP was weird last year in that while they were very accurate in Nov, they had sucked up to that point. They were off by 4 points in the WI recall, and 5 points in the AZ special House election, in the Dems favor both times. They were usually an outlier in the GOP primaries too.

Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at January 14, 2013 05:38 PM (jek5a)

54 If he's smart, he's out fishing, playing with the kids or getting drunk.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 14, 2013 05:27 PM (yiIja)


Shit I do all that and more and still come here. I was a real history geek back in high school. Particularly pre-WWII, Roman, and Greek history. 90% of what is happening now isn't really surprising to me. Terrifying, maybe, but not surprising.

Posted by: cajun carrot at January 14, 2013 05:39 PM (UZQM8)

55 Who was the best pollster in the VA/NJ elections in 2009? That's what matter in 2013, not who was the best in 2012. Off year elections for gov are a whole different beast than presidential and even mid-term elections.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 14, 2013 05:40 PM (HDgX3)

56 50
I've contemplated not voting again.I live in Ca. so my vote never
counts for anything anyway and right now I'm tooooo damned pissed


Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at January 14, 2013 05:37 PM (9+ccr)
Yeah. It's called "Illinois Syndrome", at least around here. Beyond a Congressional race, it is really pointless, this voting thing. So I'm a little less than sanguine about the franchise in my People's Republic. There aren't any ramparts to man around here, Chicago sold them to fund the (fucking) city dole.

Posted by: tubal at January 14, 2013 05:41 PM (BoE3Z)

57 That pretty-much means both VA and NJ are blue in 2013. Swell.

Posted by: DocJ at January 14, 2013 05:41 PM (A5uiv)

58 I've contemplated not voting again.I live in Ca. so
my vote never counts for anything anyway and right now I'm tooooo
damned pissed


Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at January 14, 2013 05:37 PM (9+ccr)

As a fellow Californian I will probably drop the stupid party and register as an independent.


Posted by: YIKES! at January 14, 2013 05:41 PM (mETGQ)

59 We desperately need a decent candidate to run against crazy Mark Dayton here in MN.

Posted by: Navin Johnson at January 14, 2013 05:42 PM (mbem7)

60
As a fellow Californian I will probably drop the stupid party and register as an independent.




Posted by: YIKES! at January 14, 2013 05:41 PM (mETGQ)

Did that...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at January 14, 2013 05:43 PM (9+ccr)

61 Dayton, Walker, Snyder all get re-elected in 2014.

Posted by: CAC at January 14, 2013 05:43 PM (gB3IC)

62 Dave in FL had his own website didn't he? He was adamant about all of the polls over-representing dems, and maybe they were. I think the problem was that conservatives stayed home in numbers that allowed Teh JEF to pick up his second term. I hope that he feels comfortable coming back. I found him engaging and smart. Still do.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 14, 2013 05:44 PM (jucos)

63 58
I've contemplated not voting again.I live in Ca. so

my vote never counts for anything anyway and right now I'm tooooo

damned pissed




Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at January 14, 2013 05:37 PM (9+ccr)

_________________

I live in WA. I feel your pain. Not a single statewide elected Republican in the state and Obama won by 12%. And the congressional districts are so gerrymandered that everyone, regardless of party wins 65-35 every election. There truly is no point in voting since everyone knows the results 6 months ahead of time.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 14, 2013 05:44 PM (HDgX3)

64 61
Dayton, Walker, Snyder all get re-elected in 2014.

Posted by: CAC at January 14, 2013 05:43 PM (gB3IC)

You think Walker will be re-elected after the knife in the back they gave their Native son Paul Ryan by voting for obama?

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at January 14, 2013 05:45 PM (9+ccr)

65 11
I hope Dave in FL isn't lurking...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 14, 2013 05:22 PM (XkWWK)


I really wish he'd come back....

Posted by: Tami at January 14, 2013 05:45 PM (X6akg)

66 I thought we were the party that didn't buy into crazy conspiracy theories.

There's too many people actually conspiring against the USA right now to cling to that untenable position anymore.

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 14, 2013 05:45 PM (BNacf)

67 "12 Pushing down the Ewok. That's a paddlin'."

I'm sure he's preparing a new post about how awesome Taylor Swift is, or whatever the TMZ headline is.

I'm just going to say it, this website's gone to shit.

Before I leave I just want to thank you all for turning the fight for freedom into a rednecks-versus-the-world cultural battle. Its working out great. Also, keep drinking the pop culture koolaid like true intellectuals and keep your eyes on those college boys in tights

Posted by: ace of fucking grabass at January 14, 2013 05:45 PM (vroT8)

68 You think Walker will be re-elected after the knife in the back they gave their Native son Paul Ryan by voting for obama?


Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at January 14, 2013 05:45 PM (9+ccr)

__________________
For the 876,811st time, mid-terms are not the same as presidential elections. And especially not presidential elections with a Messiah, First Black President running.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 14, 2013 05:46 PM (HDgX3)

69 What conspiracy? Tell me that John Boehner, Mitch McConnell and Karl Rove are staunch Reaganites.

Given the compromises he had to make, I don't even know what that term means. Boehner and McConnell may not be especially good at what they do, but I don't think they're trying to torpedo the country.

IMO, your statement is an example of Ace's earlier post, wherein everyone is either entirely evil or entirely good, depending on whether you like them or not. It's too simple to just dismiss them. They're fighting real political headwinds, and unlike so many of the keyboard kommando set, they have to function in the real world. I don't think John Boehner is a political mastermind, but he's trying, and judging from the rhetoric I've heard from him and McConnell, they learned something about the futility of trying to negotiate with Obama while assuming he's interested in the good of the country.

Posted by: pep at January 14, 2013 05:46 PM (6TB1Z)

70 I wonder who is looking to take Perry's place in Texas. Its about 3 years from now but you have to start early. I assume Dewhurst may make a run.

Posted by: polynikes at January 14, 2013 05:46 PM (m2CN7)

71
In Virginia, it looks like moderate Republican Bill Bolling is threating a vote splitting independent run for Governor because, um -- the party has moved too far to the right or something.

Thanks dude.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 14, 2013 05:47 PM (kdS6q)

72 68
Here in CO, I think Hickenlooper will be tough to beat. He's a
conservative pro-business Dem

Posted by: Jordan at January 14, 2013 05:46 PM (Hz1zc)

___________
LOL!! Pro-business Dem? Dude seriously, I want some of the shit you are smoking.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 14, 2013 05:47 PM (HDgX3)

73 62 Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 14, 2013 05:44 PM (jucos)


Yup. Here it is, last entry on 11/9.

http://difpolls.blogspot.com

No one thought the base would stay back in such numbers. I kind of knew we would lose in '08 but last November was a shocker.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 14, 2013 05:47 PM (XkWWK)

74 Yep, I hope Dave in Fla comes back as well. Wrong result, but hell, Rasmussen was way off on party ID, so all that analysis was screwy.

Posted by: Prescient11 at January 14, 2013 05:48 PM (tVTLU)

75 74
Yep, I hope Dave in Fla comes back as well. Wrong result, but hell,
Rasmussen was way off on party ID, so all that analysis was screwy.

Posted by: Prescient11 at January 14, 2013 05:48 PM (tVTLU)

Still can't believe how wrong I was. Never believed obama would be re-elected....So Dave, come back lots of us were wrong...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at January 14, 2013 05:49 PM (9+ccr)

76 9--- "No point in posting the poll for VA-Senate, btw.
Here's a spoiler:
Warner wins easily. Double-digits. Not even worth trying."
Posted by: CAC at January 14, 2013 05:22 PM (gB3IC)

I have a plan! The GOP needs to find someone named Warner. Anyone! "John Warner" would be even better.

Because, God is my witness, a huge chunk of people voting for Mark think he's John. I run into them all the time.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 14, 2013 05:49 PM (C8mVl)

77 You think Walker will be re-elected after the knife in the back they gave their Native son Paul Ryan by voting for obama?
Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at January 14, 2013 05:45 PM (9+ccr)

He won his recall in a vote where the electorate said they would vote for Obama by mid-single digits.

Dems had their chance to off him and they failed miserably, and their strongest D contender has lost to Walker twice in 2 years.
He's safe.

Posted by: CAC at January 14, 2013 05:49 PM (gB3IC)

78 Posted by: ace of fucking grabass at January 14, 2013 05:45 PM (vroT

Don't let the door hit you in your pimply, ignorant, can't chew gum and walk at the same time ass.

Posted by: polynikes at January 14, 2013 05:49 PM (m2CN7)

79 Yawn. Cuccinelli is better organized, having already won one statewide election. If McDonnell campaigns for him, that will help.

Posted by: Jim Scrummy at January 14, 2013 05:49 PM (Vu3LY)

80 74
Yep, I hope Dave in Fla comes back as well. Wrong result, but hell,
Rasmussen was way off on party ID, so all that analysis was screwy.

Posted by: Prescient11 at January 14, 2013 05:48 PM (tVTLU)

_________________________
Ras could have been right. Just because someone is a Republican doesn't meant they HAD to vote for Romney. It makes no sense to me how anyone could be a registered Republican and either not vote or vote Democrat. But it could happen and looks like did happen.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 14, 2013 05:50 PM (HDgX3)

81 >>> Before I leave I just want to thank you all for turning the fight for freedom into a rednecks-versus-the-world cultural battle.

You're welcome.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 14, 2013 05:50 PM (Fely/)

82 Don't think for a moment the polls mean anything in this banana republic.


Posted by: Did We Forget So Soon? at January 14, 2013 05:27 PM (b4JBG)


My conclusion is that if the dems can win the pResidency by 11:30 EST with Obama as the econd term candidate, either the nation's citizens are mostly insane or the dems have mastered the art of voter fraud to such a degree of perfection that running against them is futile is all but a very few districts.
Add the Ruling Class Mandarin Republican caste (aka RINO), and a fawning, corrupt media to the mix and you're on the downward slope to banana republic.
The American Constitutional experiment was a fluke anyhow. Every governing body has always sought to increase its own power and prestige. The fact that the founders realized this, and attempted to constrain the inherent corruption of power via a written understandable contract. It is sad to see the end of a free people now signing up for a mess of government pottage and accepting the virtual slavery being imposed on them by their "betters".

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at January 14, 2013 05:51 PM (Cnqmv)

83 Colorado, Oregon, California, Maryland, New York all lost causes in terms of gubernatorial races.

Illinois has potential.

Posted by: CAC at January 14, 2013 05:51 PM (gB3IC)

84 74
Yep, I hope Dave in Fla comes back as well. Wrong result, but hell,
Rasmussen was way off on party ID, so all that analysis was screwy.

Posted by: Prescient11 at January 14, 2013 05:48 PM (tVTLU)
Is it possible, (surely not) that the Democrats/Left might have lied about party ID in order to suppress turnout for the other side? Maybe it doesn't work that way, who the hell knows? But then again, I'm just some conspiracy nut.

Posted by: tubal at January 14, 2013 05:51 PM (BoE3Z)

85 "LOL!! Pro-business Dem? Dude seriously, I want some of the shit you are smoking."

Well, it is legal now, so come on over.

Posted by: Jordan at January 14, 2013 05:51 PM (Hz1zc)

86 I live in MA & also know my vote doesn't count
I might give it up too. What is the point here?

Posted by: CarolT at January 14, 2013 05:52 PM (J7sV0)

87
the best predictor?

Dick Morris.

He's wrong 100% of the time.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 14, 2013 05:53 PM (+oin+)

88 69 Posted by: pep at January 14, 2013 05:46 PM (6TB1Z)


Pep, if you read my comment, it was an "either/or" statement. I do think that the establishment of the party is pro-big government and has a vested interest in feeding the leviathan.

Do I think Boehner et al are evil? No. But they are either completely blind to what SCOAMF and the Dems are doing or utterly incompetent. His course of action since being speaker has been nothing short of stupid. I'm will not deal in absolutes, but the GOP as it is currently structured is part of the problem.

If you want to say that I'm a conspiracy monger, well, that's your opinion. But if you think that Boehner and the GOP are doing the best they can for the base, you are dead wrong. And it's been this way for decades now, from Dewey to Ford all the way up to Dole, McCain and Mitt. Reagan won 2 landslide victories and he was hated by the GOP establishment.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 14, 2013 05:53 PM (XkWWK)

89 the best predictor?



Dick Morris.



He's wrong 100% of the time.


Yeah, I should have remembered that...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at January 14, 2013 05:53 PM (9+ccr)

90 Did any precinct in any State with over 500 voters get 100% Republican vote? Maybe that the Dems did says something about Dave in FL's mistaken polling.

Posted by: polynikes at January 14, 2013 05:53 PM (m2CN7)

91 85
"LOL!! Pro-business Dem? Dude seriously, I want some of the shit you are smoking."



Well, it is legal now, so come on over.

Posted by: Jordan at January 14, 2013 05:51 PM (Hz1zc)

______________
It's legal here too. Why don't you mail me some. I wonder if that's legal, sending pot from CO to WA, legal in both states. If there's a direct USPS flight from Denver to Seattle (which there probably is), no laws would be broken.

Hmmm...

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 14, 2013 05:54 PM (HDgX3)

92 91 85
"LOL!! Pro-business Dem? Dude seriously, I want some of the shit you are smoking."



Well, it is legal now, so come on over.

Posted by: Jordan at January 14, 2013 05:51 PM (Hz1zc)

______________
It's legal here too. Why don't you mail me some. I wonder if that's legal, sending pot from CO to WA, legal in both states. If there's a direct USPS flight from Denver to Seattle (which there probably is), no laws would be broken.

Hmmm...
Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 14, 2013 05:54 PM (HDgX3)

*flashes "medical card"*
Ours is the best anyways. Keep your Rocky Mountain High and your Seattle Skunkweed.

Posted by: CAC at January 14, 2013 05:55 PM (gB3IC)

93 Yeah it's disgusting that the election comes down to just a couple es. Thought for sure Florida and Virginia would go Romney. How wrong I was...


Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at January 14, 2013 05:56 PM (9+ccr)

94 I'm going to vote for whoever is best for Texas.

That is why I support the Pork Party. Whoever throws in a few billion dollars in every single bill in congress for Texas gets my support. I don't really care if it helps bankrupt the nation anymore since that is baked into the pie now.

Posted by: Invictus at January 14, 2013 05:56 PM (OQpzc)

95 93
Yeah it's disgusting that the election comes down to just a couple es.
Thought for sure Florida and Virginia would go Romney. How wrong I
was...

States, a couple States.... sheesh I can't type...

Posted by: Hello, it's me Donna let it burn really.really bummed at January 14, 2013 05:57 PM (9+ccr)

96
they learned something about the futility of trying to negotiate with Obama while assuming he's interested in the good of the country.

Posted by: pep




Boehner has been in the House for 22 years, Mitch Mcconnel in the Senate for almost 30. If it took them this long to -- arguably -- get a clue about how the place works, they don't belong in the center chair.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 14, 2013 05:58 PM (kdS6q)

97 "It's legal here too. Why don't you mail me some. I wonder if that's legal, sending pot from CO to WA, legal in both states. If there's a direct USPS flight from Denver to Seattle (which there probably is), no laws would be broken. "

Heh heh. Maybe in a few more years. Til then, we're both stuck with our (admittedly excellent) in-state varieties.

Posted by: Jordan at January 14, 2013 05:58 PM (Hz1zc)

98 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 14, 2013 05:53 PM (XkWWK)


As a case in point I give you FORMER Congressman Alan West, redistricted out of a safe R district by his fellow Republicans in FL.



You'll never convince me that RINOs have the best interest of the country at heart. They may not be actively working to sell us out but darn if I can see how they could do less to protect the Constitution.

Posted by: Gerry Mander, Esq. at January 14, 2013 05:58 PM (Cnqmv)

99 Pork Party 2014 because, if you are on the Titanic, why would you skip desert?

Posted by: Invictus at January 14, 2013 05:59 PM (OQpzc)

100 dessert, dammit. Moar chocolate pork rations!

Posted by: Invictus at January 14, 2013 06:00 PM (OQpzc)

101 Posted by: Gerry Mander, Esq. at January 14, 2013 05:58 PM (Cnqmv)

That's the meme but its not accurate.

Posted by: polynikes at January 14, 2013 06:01 PM (m2CN7)

102 Posted by: Invictus at January 14, 2013 05:59 PM (OQpzc)

Sorry, madam, you and your children need to wait for the next available lifeboat! Our Pork lifeboat is already full!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at January 14, 2013 06:01 PM (Cnqmv)

103 PA is getting redder and redder. Corbett is very unpopular.

He will lose in 2014.

He will be the first PA governor not to serve two terms since 1971.

Posted by: Ed Anger at January 14, 2013 05:36 PM (tOkJB)


If PA getting redder (I assume you mean Republican), then why would this cause the Republican to lose?

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 14, 2013 06:01 PM (XvHmy)

104 98 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 14, 2013 05:53 PM (XkWWK)


As a case in point I give you FORMER Congressman Alan West, redistricted out of a safe R district by his fellow Republicans in FL.



You'll never convince me that RINOs have the best interest of the country at heart. They may not be actively working to sell us out but darn if I can see how they could do less to protect the Constitution.
Posted by: Gerry Mander, Esq. at January 14, 2013 05:58 PM (Cnqmv)

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the RINOs don't give a crap about anyone but themselves. They like big gov socialism just like the Donks and are waiting for their turn at the trough.

Posted by: Lurkasaurus at January 14, 2013 06:02 PM (2J7cE)

105 Posted by: polynikes at January 14, 2013 06:01 PM (m2CN7)

I thought a Republican legislature did redistrict Florida after the 2010 census, and they failed to follow my arcane rules for drawing precise district boundaries that will virtually guarantee known results, especially for West. What did I miss?

Posted by: Gerry Mander, Esq. at January 14, 2013 06:04 PM (Cnqmv)

106 Dayton, Walker, Snyder all get re-elected in 2014.

Posted by: CAC at January 14, 2013 05:43 PM (gB3IC)


Add Sandoval in Nevada as a re-elect in '14. Baring anything unexpected coming up in the current 120 day legislative session (oh, how I love having a part time legislature), he'll win easily.

He might even run against Reid in '16, and if he did so he would beat him. I also predict the GOP picks up the state senate there in '14.

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 14, 2013 06:06 PM (XvHmy)

107 Posted by: Lurkasaurus at January 14, 2013 06:02 PM (2J7cE)



The bigger the government, the easier it is to skim just a tiny bit of "profit" off for yourself and your cronies, and yet have the skim so well-hidden as to be virtually untraceable.

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at January 14, 2013 06:07 PM (Cnqmv)

108 We laughed at Carville when he said there was a 40 year Dem majority coming. I'm starting to think he was right. 2010 was a bump in the road on an otherwise straight march to full socialism that started in 2006. There might be another 2010 mid-term here and there, but the long term trend is obvious.

Ben Franklin was right. As soon as the population learns it can vote itself free shit, the game is over. It's kind of surprising it took 230 years for the population to figure it out.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 14, 2013 06:07 PM (HDgX3)

109 2014 Gov. elections:
http://tinyurl.com/bjdbt6q

For GOP held seats, only AZ and NE have incumbents that are termed out.

Rhode Island could get entertaining, though...

Any predictions for seat flips, aside from GOP pick up in AR

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 14, 2013 06:10 PM (XvHmy)

110 It's kind of surprising it took 230 years for the population to figure it out.


Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at January 14, 2013 06:07 PM (HDgX3)


True, but it won't take 230 years for "The Tragedy of the Commons" to be understood as a fact, not a fable.

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at January 14, 2013 06:11 PM (Cnqmv)

111 Posted by: polynikes at January 14, 2013 05:46 PM (m2CN7)



On Jan. 10th AG Greg Abbott announced that he was going to run against Perry. Texas Dems really don't like him. It seems there were several democrats that wrote panties in a twist rage rants when he announced last week. He has also raised $14M. Could be a serious contender for Perry. Will be interesting to watch.

Posted by: Lipstick and Lead at January 14, 2013 06:13 PM (GustN)

112 unlike so many of the keyboard kommando set, they have to function in the real world

I'd love to hear any other employees on earth use that excuse.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 14, 2013 06:13 PM (uhAkr)

113 Illinois has potential.

Lots of potential. AFSCME hates Gov Quinn's guts and liver, and without all that downstate government union support, he might be toast.

Posted by: Chuck at January 14, 2013 06:17 PM (dSkY8)

114 "True, but it won't take 230 years for "The Tragedy of the Commons" to be understood as a fact, not a fable."

Recent scholarship on the tragedy of the commons is very "in" now among the cap and trade crowd. Ostrom's prize insured politicians and policy makers will be citing this problem for years to come.

Posted by: Jordan at January 14, 2013 06:18 PM (Hz1zc)

115 I used to care. I used to think I needed to support the GOP to prevent theerosionof liberty. I can't put up the fight for the GOP any longer though. They are all hard ass on abortion and gay marriage and weak kneed on the fiscal responsibility and limited government. The GOP is to liberty as a salmon is toMt. Everest. Totally unrelated.

Posted by: California Red at January 14, 2013 06:19 PM (cB0VK)

116 108

40 year dem majority. lmao Heck, at the rate we are going we won't be here in 40 years.

Posted by: dandalo at January 14, 2013 06:24 PM (GAJm6)

117 New Jersey looks Red.
----------------------------

Really? I thought Christie had a good chance of being reelected!

Posted by: RoadRunner at January 14, 2013 06:30 PM (3LD8A)

118 "Get your act together in the Old Dominion state."

A fatal misconception. Modern Virginia is the New Dominion state.

Fatally hooked on the federal pork emanating from the Imperial Capital.

If there were to be heavy federal cutbacks, it would gut the northern Virginia economy, glutted as it is with government contractors.

They're going blue from here on out. Sucks, but it is what it is. Pork is the most additive drug known to humanity. Makes heroin and meth look like bubble gum.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 14, 2013 06:32 PM (gqT4g)

119 Yay, CAC is back to his desired-conclusion-driven polling "analysis," unskewing and wishcasting!

Posted by: American at January 14, 2013 06:38 PM (gnViO)

120 Yeah, Dave in FL just did so peachy with his reweighting bullshit.

Just look at PPP and you'll know who's going to win.

Posted by: Greg at January 14, 2013 06:40 PM (zgj80)

121 I definitely wouldn't call VA for Democrats because of a tied poll.
McCauliffe has got some SERIOUS baggage (Global Crossing is basically the other Enron)

I will say though the dynamics of VA long term look bad as it's absorbing the worst elements of DC and Maryland.

Gun control though is still a big deal even in "purple" Southern states, and I see the GOP doing well there in 2013.

Posted by: McAdams at January 14, 2013 06:43 PM (FqPQ0)

122
I have zero faith in Virginia.

Posted by: Sam In VA at January 14, 2013 06:49 PM (YCvRs)

123 Regarding Dave in FL, I actually think there was merit in his case, and it was also clear to me that Romney's pollsters thought he was going to win and Obama's campaign was acting like they were on the ropes and about to lose.

For whatever fucked up reason, Republicans didn't turn out. Of all the scenarios, that's one I never saw coming. My only guess is maybe the Mormon thing mattered to that 2-3% of the Republican electorate enough that they didn't bother to vote. Had Romney gotten Bush 2004 GOP turnout, it would have looked like a Reagan landslide.

Posted by: McAdams at January 14, 2013 06:52 PM (FqPQ0)

124 It's not the "Old Dominion state." It's just "The Old Dominion."

Posted by: logprof. native Virginian at January 14, 2013 07:29 PM (StDOM)

125 McAulliff will win in VA. The DNC will empty the magazine against Cuccinelli. It will be the ugliest Gov race in decades. But the former DNC chair will get a ton of outside money and they will mercilessly attack the AG.

Not happy about it but that is how I see it.

Posted by: RkinRoanoke at January 14, 2013 07:50 PM (pxur/)

126 I know this is old, but see DOOM below. Arkansas gave us Bubba, them peoples are krazee.

Posted by: dogfish at January 14, 2013 08:27 PM (N2yhW)

127 I love Cuccinelli because he is reliably conservative. I just don't see Republicans staying home cause he doesn't rev their engine. He sued the federal government over obamacare and UVA over withholding climate change data (after taking public funds to pay for gathering that data).

He is a Tea Party dream.

My lips to God's ear... he will win.

Posted by: Amy H at January 14, 2013 08:59 PM (NpRlM)






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