Organic? It's what you suspected...a load of crap [CharlieBrown'sD????]

Gee, what a surprise! Organic foods are essentially identical to conventional foods, except of course for the massive price tag. So all of the billions of gallons of gasoline pissed away driving to out-of-the-way hippie hang-outs just to buy that organic kale and celeriac were wasted. Women and children hardest hit, of course.

The health claims made by the willing fools are legion. Corporate farming is responsible for a litany of first-world diseases (ignoring the thing that they are most responsible for....old age!), and organic farmers were going to save us from their depradations.

So who or what are they going to blame their imagined health problems on now?

Bush....of course!

Posted by: Open Blogger at 09:55 AM



Comments

1 Most sentient people knew that.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 19, 2013 09:55 AM (l86i3)

2 I blame global warming...

Posted by: badanov at January 19, 2013 09:56 AM (fryeO)

3 Totally different. Mexicans poo on the organic stuff - and the farmers don't wash it off

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sammich at January 19, 2013 09:57 AM (RLTt1)

4 Previous post:

So now I'm looking for kinds that say "natural" and even the "o" word...
Posted by: Mama AJ at January 19, 2013 09:01 AM (SUKHu)



Well there's your answer to that mama aj

Posted by: cajun carrot at January 19, 2013 09:59 AM (/pQC5)

5 I don't care about the health crap but "organic" fruit tastes better to me than the regular.Berries, plums etc.

Posted by: lincolntf at January 19, 2013 09:59 AM (ZshNr)

6 Don't forget, "organic" produce also has that authentically gnawed-and-assraped-by-insects look about it, because no pesticides are used in its production. That's certainly attractive, and worth the premium all on its own.

BTW, isn't ALL produce "organic"? It isn't made out of non-organic material. Did I miss the revolution in lab-created synthetic bell peppers?

Fuck, I hate hippies.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 19, 2013 10:00 AM (JDIKC)

7 Organic imports also carry a human toll. As Missouri farmer Blake Hurst notes, “In the many places around the world where organic farming is the norm, a large proportion of the population is involved in farming. Not because they choose to do so, but because they must. Without pesticides, hand weeding is the only way to protect a crop.” And, the back-breaking drudgery of hand-weeding typically falls largely to women and children.


Fire up the B-52s, we got a sortie to deliver... for the weminz & chillren!

Posted by: cajun carrot at January 19, 2013 10:01 AM (/pQC5)

8 Malaria, aemebic dysentery, cholera, typhus are all organic as well.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 19, 2013 10:02 AM (b5h5w)

9 "Did I miss the revolution in lab-created synthetic bell peppers?"

Oh man, if we had those, we could feed the entire world America portions.

Of course, liberals would be seeking a ban.

Posted by: JDTAY at January 19, 2013 10:02 AM (a0nis)

10 And by organic I mean grown in my yard with no more assistance than watering when it doesn't rain. The big organic farms are probably a scam. Eggs from a neighbor's chicken (does that count as organic?) are definitely better than store-bought organic eggs, I've checked.

Posted by: lincolntf at January 19, 2013 10:03 AM (ZshNr)

11 If it's available and in season, I try to buy it locally. Other stuff you can't. I don't worry about the pesticides and such. Of course, I grew up polishing apples on my shirt and eating them. 5 second rule. Drinking out of the garden hose. Swimming in the local creek. Playing outside. Eating an egg salad sandwich for lunch that was in my locker for 3 hours.

Posted by: Bruce at January 19, 2013 10:04 AM (Rdesr)

12 Remember the fruitarian chick from Notting Hill?

Then these carrots......

Were murdered. *snif*

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 19, 2013 10:05 AM (b5h5w)

13 Posted by: Bruce at January 19, 2013 10:04 AM (Rdesr)

LOL, sounds like me only my sammich was tuna fish.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 19, 2013 10:05 AM (l86i3)

14
I try to eat natural. I read an article by an organic farmer, who went into it after his neighbor had a pesticide hauler break open all over him, and it paralyzed the guy.
We eat stuff grown in the in-laws' garden and farmer's markets. I don't think it makes me gullible to try to avoid chemicals.

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 19, 2013 10:05 AM (MPjT8)

15 pyrethrins


this is what I used to de-flea my kitties...

Posted by: beach snowsmothered at January 19, 2013 10:06 AM (LpQbZ)

16 Paying more for the same thing proves I care more than you.
Excuse me now while iron my hemp shirt.
That scratchy feeling is the knowledge that I am saving the planet.

Posted by: NeoKong at January 19, 2013 10:06 AM (JWLwG)

17 Some ppl are so flaky about that stuff that our baggers at the store have to put the two types of produce in separate bags.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 19, 2013 10:07 AM (5H6zj)

18 does that count as organic? NO. Because nobody sees you buying it so you miss the self-congratulatory preening that is a vital part of the nutritional content.

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sammich at January 19, 2013 10:07 AM (RLTt1)

19 Yeh, carrot, I usually try to avoid it.

I'm annoyed that to get sausage I have to choose between organic and "stuffed with HFCS" unless I can find that one brand that is "natural" but not "organic".

And this is why I just bought a big chicken and a big pork butt this week and am having leftovers for breakfast.

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 19, 2013 10:07 AM (SUKHu)

20 You know what else is organic? Dogshit and nuclear waste.

In fact, everything on this planet is organic. The only things I wouldn't call organic would be the meteorites that have fallen here from space.

Posted by: EC at January 19, 2013 10:07 AM (doBIb)

21 @16

You inhale deeply while ironing your hemp shirt, don't you?

Posted by: JDTAY at January 19, 2013 10:07 AM (a0nis)

22 I don't want to live in a world without Pesticides...

Posted by: American Dawg at January 19, 2013 10:08 AM (trA4n)

23


Well, I buy for the taste.

If not bought at a farmer's market, the "organic" tomatoes taste like real tomatoes, unlike the regular store bought ones.

In the summer, I just pick them from my garden.

Posted by: beach snowsmothered at January 19, 2013 10:08 AM (LpQbZ)

24 That scratchy feeling is the knowledge that I am saving the planet.

No, it's usually an indicator of poor hygiene.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 19, 2013 10:09 AM (/8J5q)

25 >>Some ppl are so flaky about that stuff that our baggers at the store have to put the two types of produce in separate bags.

And then they don't wash the bags...

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 19, 2013 10:09 AM (SUKHu)

26 @14

I think the point is that the acceptable limits for pesticides is very low. Pointing out thatbtheyre toxic at high levels doesnt mean much.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 19, 2013 10:09 AM (5H6zj)

27 Nuclear waste is not organic.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 19, 2013 10:10 AM (5H6zj)

28 I've seen a ton of taste tests, including my favorite on Penn&Teller: Bullsh$t where they had the same exact food on both sides and people would talk about how much better the Organic side tastes. It was the exact same! Not even organic. It's all mental people.

Posted by: CA Token at January 19, 2013 10:10 AM (TZ/Pd)

29 I try to eat natural. I read an article by an organic farmer, who went
into it after his neighbor had a pesticide hauler break open all over
him, and it paralyzed the guy.
Posted by: USS Diversity


The problem with "organic" is the definition. The rules are under constant change by the large sellers. We think of organic as grandma tending the garden. Some large groups want it labeled as such if they put organic fertilizer on it, but still use pesticides.
Like Slick Willy and he meaning of Is.


Posted by: Bruce at January 19, 2013 10:10 AM (Rdesr)

30 23 - taste is a valid reason. nutritional differences are negligible is all.

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sammich at January 19, 2013 10:11 AM (RLTt1)

31 I'll tell you what SUCKS: "organic beer". That's a scam, beer is by definition organic.

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 19, 2013 10:11 AM (MPjT8)

32 Most sentient people knew that.

Key word in that sentence?

"sentient"

Posted by: Sean Bannion at January 19, 2013 10:11 AM (/8J5q)

33 Nuclear waste is not organic.

It is.

A spent fuel rod is no different than what you can dig up out of the ground after radioactive ore degrades over time.

Posted by: EC at January 19, 2013 10:12 AM (doBIb)

34 That's why I insist Mrs. North was hers

Posted by: Truman North at January 19, 2013 10:12 AM (I2LwF)

35 Better life through Chemicals - if not,
most of us would be dead by now....

Posted by: American Dawg at January 19, 2013 10:13 AM (trA4n)

36

I grew up in upstate New York, with lots of farming all around.

With well water.

We were lucky to live on a hill, but others were not so.

One family (friends of our family) lived very near where the farm was dumping/keeping fertilizer. The entire family has died from some form of cancer. Very early. Young daughters, first, then the mother. Years later, it was determined the fertilizer was seeping into the well water.

Horrible tragedy. Beautiful people.

Posted by: beach snowsmothered at January 19, 2013 10:13 AM (LpQbZ)

37 WAX hers

Posted by: Truman North at January 19, 2013 10:13 AM (I2LwF)

38 Its inorganic.

Havent you ppl taken organic chemistry?

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 19, 2013 10:13 AM (5H6zj)

39 Slow day. This is news? No it is old as shit. Please don't tell my hippie sister in law that the shit I feed her was not organic. She raved at how much better it tasted than "factory produce".

Dumb twits.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 19, 2013 10:14 AM (wR+pz)

40 It is.

A spent fuel rod is no different than what you can dig up out of the ground after radioactive ore degrades over time.
Posted by: EC at January 19, 2013 10:12 AM (doBIb)

It is different. It is unnaturally concentrated.

Posted by: eman at January 19, 2013 10:14 AM (tBnjP)

41 Is there anything hippies do that doesn't result in clusterfarce?

Posted by: FURPC at January 19, 2013 10:14 AM (0ImZM)

42 Irradiated food.

More please.

Posted by: RWC at January 19, 2013 10:14 AM (sqp6o)

43 A spent fuel rod is chemically identical to what you'd find in the sinkholes of the Used Diaper Swamps in NJ

Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sammich at January 19, 2013 10:14 AM (RLTt1)

44 I don't care about the health crap but "organic" fruit tastes better to me than the regular.Berries, plums etc.

Posted by: lincolntf at January 19, 2013 09:59 AM (ZshNr)



I like going to the local farmer's market because I can get stuff there that I can't get anywhere else. Though, I must say, seeing the "Eat Local!" sign up right next to the booth for the guy selling ostrich always makes me laugh and laugh. Ahhhh, yes. If only we could return to yesteryear when the great herds of ostrich roamed the North Carolina plains.


Annnnd back to whining about not having a Wegman's. Reason 12,398,332 I miss Wegman's, I could actually buy ostrich and buffalo there. No big deal, no muss, no fuss, just right there next to the ground chuck. Sniffle.


Though I will say I was taken aback when I saw scrapple at my local Harris Teeter the other day. I had no idea that anyone outside the greater Philly area even knew what that was.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Take us away. at January 19, 2013 10:15 AM (Gk3SS)

45 My pet peeve is that physicists and apparently engineers dont have to take O chem. only chemists and us "dumb" biologists.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 19, 2013 10:15 AM (5H6zj)

46 It is different. It is unnaturally concentrated.


Other than the purity and concentration, it's no different than the ore found in the earth.

Ok, how about this?

Radon gas coming out of your cellar is organic.

Posted by: EC at January 19, 2013 10:15 AM (doBIb)

47 In my opinion, the best way to start a fire is with fertilizer and gasoline.

Posted by: Truman North at January 19, 2013 10:15 AM (I2LwF)

48 Of course everything grown in home gardens should taste better given that it can be picked at perfect ripeness and eaten instantly. My favorite part of eating homegrown strawberries is that they're still warmed by the sun when I bite into them. Nothing like it.

Posted by: lincolntf at January 19, 2013 10:16 AM (ZshNr)

49
Havent you ppl taken organic chemistry?Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 19, 2013 10:13 AM (5H6zj)
======
No Sheldon

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 19, 2013 10:16 AM (MPjT8)

50 My pet peeve is that physicists and apparently engineers dont have to take O chem. only chemists and us "dumb" biologists.

Ok, I couldn't tell if you were being facetious or not. Yeah, the metallic ore is inorganic, but I was saying for the context of this post, the waste itself could be considered "organic".

Posted by: EC at January 19, 2013 10:16 AM (doBIb)

51 Posted by: Bigby's Knuckle Sammich at January 19, 2013 10:07 AM (RLTt1)

+1

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 19, 2013 10:17 AM (GsoHv)

52 I shop at the local farmers market. Not because its "organic", but because the produce tastes better and it's cheaper than the supermarket. I don't know whether rhey use pesticides or other "non-organic" farming methods -- I don't ask and they don't tell. Plus, the ladies selling veggies always smile and put some extra in the bag after they weigh it, since they want to cultivates loyal base of regular customers.

Posted by: Guinness at January 19, 2013 10:17 AM (mlSEY)

53 @44

We have buffalo in our local store but not ostrich which is a shame b/c youre right, its good. Emu is even better imho.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 19, 2013 10:17 AM (5H6zj)

54 I have to take one semester of O chem to get my mechanical engineering degree.

Makes sense since I want to do materials science

Posted by: Truman North at January 19, 2013 10:17 AM (I2LwF)

55 Man City 1, Fulham nil 15:00

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 19, 2013 10:17 AM (8sCoq)

56 WAX hers


Is that organic beeswax she uses?

Posted by: EC at January 19, 2013 10:17 AM (doBIb)

57 :::26 @14

I think the point is that the acceptable limits for pesticides is very low. Pointing out thatbtheyre toxic at high levels doesnt mean much.
Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 19, 2013 10:09 AM (5H6zj):::


Zyklon-B was (and still is) a pesticide. Exterminating European Jewry was definitely an off-label use. Of course poisons are poisonous. There wouldn't be much point to them if they weren't.

Wash your produce. It doesn't just prevent ingestion of pesticide residue, it will reduce or eliminate "organic" contaminants like E. Coli and salmonella, which are also deadly.

"Organically," of course.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 19, 2013 10:17 AM (JDIKC)

58 The worst scam is "eco" and "green". The fucking Borgias would be embarrassed to put "this product will reduce your time in Purgatory" stamps on commercial products, which is exactly what the "sustainable" comments are.

Posted by: zimriel at January 19, 2013 10:18 AM (w63Cp)

59 Sorry EC. I hate the way organic is tossed around si I always use the real definition. Bad habit. Im a grump.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 19, 2013 10:18 AM (5H6zj)

60 Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 19, 2013 10:15 AM (5H6zj)

That's because o-chem is so easy.

At least until your first D- on a yield experiment.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 19, 2013 10:18 AM (GsoHv)

61 My new life's goal is to make the awesomest marzipan ever

Posted by: Truman North at January 19, 2013 10:18 AM (I2LwF)

62 Tomato season here is in August. I will buy them and eat them many ways. Especially a BLT.
However, even during tomato season, when you go to a local restaurant and get a salad or burger or whatever else. You still get them GD pink rock hard no flavor tomatoes. AAAAAARRRGGGHHHHH

Posted by: Bruce at January 19, 2013 10:18 AM (Rdesr)

63 I will eat hippy-dippy organic when the chattering classes of NYC actually grow their own food.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 19, 2013 10:18 AM (QLuGB)

64 41
Is there anything hippies do that doesn't result in clusterfarce?

Posted by: FURPC at January 19, 2013 10:14 AM (0ImZM)

Well, watching two stoned fuck is a treat. I read about it, yeah that's it.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 19, 2013 10:19 AM (wR+pz)

65 Sorry EC. I hate the way organic is tossed around si I always use the real definition. Bad habit. Im a grump.

Are you a biologist?

Posted by: EC at January 19, 2013 10:19 AM (doBIb)

66 Radon gas coming out of your cellar is organic

Naturally occurring is not the same thing as organic. To be organic, it must be carbon based. Radon is an inorganic noble gas. That's what the high school chemistry I can remember tells me.

Posted by: no good deed at January 19, 2013 10:20 AM (mjR67)

67 I second that call for irradiated food. We lise so much produce niw. Very frustrating.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 19, 2013 10:20 AM (5H6zj)

68 Yes EC.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 19, 2013 10:20 AM (5H6zj)

69 Other than the purity and concentration, it's no different than the ore found in the earth.

Ok, how about this?

Radon gas coming out of your cellar is organic.
Posted by: EC at January 19, 2013 10:15 AM (doBIb)

True. So is coal. BTW, purity and concentration are super-big factors when dealing with radioactive isotopes.

I'm not a fan of all that organic is better bullshit, but life evolved to deal with chemicals in dilute form in most cases. Our technology allows us to produce local areas of very high concentration. This difference is not trivial.

Posted by: eman at January 19, 2013 10:20 AM (tBnjP)

70 Organic vagina - I'm agin' it. Trim that shit.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 19, 2013 10:21 AM (JDIKC)

71 We have buffalo in our local store but not ostrich which is a shame b/c youre right, its good. Emu is even better imho.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 19, 2013 10:17 AM (5H6zj)



I've never had emu. Protip I got from a friend who is a vet - if you want to kill someone and get away with it, send them an emu in a box. They open the box, the emu will freak out and attack them and apparently they are vicious nasty creatures that would love to claw you to death. Person dies, emus runs off and wow how did that happen.


Emu control now!

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Take us away. at January 19, 2013 10:21 AM (Gk3SS)

72 Are Donuts organic ?

Posted by: American Dawg at January 19, 2013 10:21 AM (trA4n)

73 47
In my opinion, the best way to start a fire is with fertilizer and gasoline.




I agree.

Posted by: Zombie Tim McVeigh at January 19, 2013 10:21 AM (wR+pz)

74 I feed my kids organic food, except for salt and water

Posted by: Jean at January 19, 2013 10:21 AM (LBUCy)

75 Well AlextheChick if you can't have Raptors, get emus then.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 19, 2013 10:21 AM (QLuGB)

76 mmmm hog offal.

Posted by: FURPC at January 19, 2013 10:21 AM (0ImZM)

77 Preach it Charlie!

Posted by: Liberty Lover at January 19, 2013 10:22 AM (Dbpx0)

78 True fact:

I made it through four years of high school and many years of college without ever taking biology. I literally do not know how babies come out of the woman's butt

Posted by: Truman North at January 19, 2013 10:22 AM (I2LwF)

79 74
I feed my kids organic food, except for salt and water


I swear to god, I was in Vail last week an a tv ad came on for "organic water".

You can not make this shit up. The stupid is strong.


Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 19, 2013 10:23 AM (wR+pz)

80 I have been associated with Health Issues for 25 years and I will tell you 2 things I have learned in the field so too speak. People in the fields get payed 2 ways ...Piece work and hourly...
When a Farm worker gets paid hourly , they will walk a mile too use a porta potty, when a field worker gets compensated by piece work they poo anywhere and everywhere.
The politicians also practice this method
Summation :
wash your spinach carefully ..

Posted by: Clemenza at January 19, 2013 10:23 AM (x59Gv)

81 I literally do not know how babies come out of the woman's butt

They come out of the Playdoh Fun Factory.

Posted by: EC at January 19, 2013 10:23 AM (doBIb)

82 And it just gets better: The big thing in Europistan now is claiming how far said produce, meat, baked goods travel to market. So you get extra green points if your piece of kale came from within x-number of miles from market. So, let's (all) drive farther to a market that gets its produce closer to market.
Watching these progs twist and turn around their self created problems is like watching a snake devour its own tail.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 19, 2013 10:23 AM (M0O7A)

83 I've always said, "Why in the hell are you eating right and doing all that exercise for? An extra 5 maybe 10 years? Those are the worst years of your life: You're old, falling apart, weak and wrinkled. Who wants to have more of that?"

Plus, I say, "I'm a Christian, and this death shit isn't supposed to bother true Christians. You'll die regardless, when it's your time, so enjoy life."

My wife doesn't like when I say either of those.

I just don't get some things:
People will cry over things like Newtown or some abused animal commercial--people and animals they've never met--while they shutter their own mother or father away in a nursing home.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 19, 2013 10:23 AM (imtbm)

84 Are Donuts organic ?


Posted by: American Dawg at January 19, 2013 10:21 AM (trA4n)



Milk! Flour! Eggs! It's healthy!

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Take us away. at January 19, 2013 10:23 AM (Gk3SS)

85 -78
True fact:



I made it through four years of high school and many years of
college without ever taking biology. I literally do not know how babies
come out of the woman's butt

Posted by: Truman North
---------------------------------------------------

Babies are also Organic, they come from the Cabbage Patch...

Posted by: American Dawg at January 19, 2013 10:24 AM (trA4n)

86 >>I had no idea that anyone outside the greater Philly area even knew what that was.

I see it every once in a while.

Hmm, if I could add some cajun seasoning to it, I could probably sell lots of it around here...

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 19, 2013 10:24 AM (SUKHu)

87 78

But thanks to Fat Bastard, we know how they get in their bellies.

Posted by: Bruce at January 19, 2013 10:24 AM (Rdesr)

88 Great snikeys! You can hear all the gunfire from here on the driving range...

Posted by: Joey Biden at January 19, 2013 10:25 AM (FcR7P)

89 Well AlextheChick if you can't have Raptors, get emus then.


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 19, 2013 10:21 AM (QLuGB)



Oh, trust me, the compound may well have an emu range. But I've said too much . . . .

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Take us away. at January 19, 2013 10:26 AM (Gk3SS)

90 :::When a Farm worker gets paid hourly , they will walk a mile too use a porta potty, when a field worker gets compensated by piece work they poo anywhere and everywhere. ::::

Imported Organic Mexican faeces?

Seems like you could charge extra for something that fancy and natural.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 19, 2013 10:26 AM (JDIKC)

91 Emu in a box.
From Hasbro

Posted by: Bruce at January 19, 2013 10:27 AM (Rdesr)

92 It was many years ago but I've read at the Junk Science blog (I think it's run by Steve Malloy) that Japan uses 400% (or 300%?) more pesticide per acre than the U.S. because e.g. $50/quart strawberries have to be perfect. I also jumped to my own conclusion from this that the Left is always saying how we should eat a Japanese diet because they're so long-lived and have little heart disease etc. so their pesticide use isn't harming them even according to the Left.

Junk Science also points out that organic growers (although it might have been specific to the UK) have gotten some chemicals to be declared 'natural' so they do actually use them. The phrase "copper sulphates" seems to ring a bell about it but I can't swear to it.

Posted by: andycanuck at January 19, 2013 10:27 AM (ORGYc)

93 wtf is organic water?

I could dunk a bucket in a stream and come up with a bucket of organic water

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 19, 2013 10:27 AM (8sCoq)

94 - 88
Great snikeys! You can hear all the gunfire from here on the driving range...

Posted by: Joey Biden
--------------------------------------
Gun Powder and Lead , thats Organic too...

Posted by: American Dawg at January 19, 2013 10:27 AM (trA4n)

95 Imported Organic Mexican faeces?


You've been spending too much time in Canada.

Posted by: EC at January 19, 2013 10:27 AM (doBIb)

96 What gets me are ppl who INSIST we all must adopt shelter dogs instead of purebreds but who dont bat an eye that ppl spend thousands of dollars and throw away embryos to do in vitro instead of adopting.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 19, 2013 10:27 AM (5H6zj)

97 AlextheChick, to help with Alextopia's finances -
Powerball tonight is $100 million.

Buy a lot of range to help 'save' the emus.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 19, 2013 10:28 AM (QLuGB)

98 Imported Organic Mexican faeces?



Seems like you could charge extra for something that fancy and natural.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff

We do. It's called Corona. Add a lime (organic) please, to make it palatable.

Posted by: Bruce at January 19, 2013 10:28 AM (Rdesr)

99 I just don't get some things:
People will cry
over things like Newtown or some abused animal commercial--people and
animals they've never met--while they shutter their own mother or father
away in a nursing home.


Posted by: RoyalOil at January 19, 2013 10:23 AM



People are against social injustice. They are for personal convenience.

Posted by: huerfano at January 19, 2013 10:28 AM (bAGA/)

100 Most anything deep-fried is like angel wings.

Posted by: FURPC at January 19, 2013 10:28 AM (0ImZM)

101 @ 90 thats home grown illegal feces

Posted by: Clemenza at January 19, 2013 10:28 AM (x59Gv)

102 The health claims made by the willing fools are legion.

Fake but accurate.

Posted by: The MFM at January 19, 2013 10:28 AM (FcR7P)

103 Bruce,

Emu in a box is far far better than Elmo in a box.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 19, 2013 10:29 AM (QLuGB)

104 That dogshit and nuclear waste joke was from George Carlin, BTW.


Posted by: EC at January 19, 2013 10:29 AM (doBIb)

105 :::95 Imported Organic Mexican faeces?


You've been spending too much time in Canada.
Posted by: EC at January 19, 2013 10:27 AM (doBIb):::

Nonsense. Fancier olde-tyme spelling = more expensive. You gotta understand the psychology of marketing, homeboy.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 19, 2013 10:29 AM (JDIKC)

106 Nice post Charlie Brown's Dildo,


the cost for the democrats "save the childrens' prederence crusade probably is in the billions.......

now as a free market guy they are free to spend as they will but if the retarded liberals get to have nanny Bloomberg controlling softdrinks and pills then perhaps in the spirit of accepting that we as America have passed an event horizon maybe we should whip the people who are too poor to blow the extra money into taxing organic foods as a luxury?

Fire for fire, pound for pound.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 19, 2013 10:29 AM (LRFds)

107 Nonsense. Fancier olde-tyme spelling = more expensive. You gotta understand the psychology of marketing, homeboy.


I see you've been spending some time at "Ye Olde Beer Shoppe".


"I believe there will be no charge for this two-four of Elsinore..."

Posted by: EC at January 19, 2013 10:31 AM (doBIb)

108 So, any good movies on right now?

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 19, 2013 10:31 AM (SUKHu)

109 I could dunk a bucket in a stream and come up with a bucket of organic water

I think there is some cowboy advice about never looking upstream after drinking from the creek.

Posted by: no good deed at January 19, 2013 10:31 AM (mjR67)

110 53 @44

We have buffalo in our local store but not ostrich which is a shame b/c youre right, its good. Emu is even better imho.
Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 19, 2013 10:17 AM (5H6zj)

Spotted owl is pretty good.

Posted by: BignJames at January 19, 2013 10:31 AM (Sg0G/)

111 Its sad that ppl are afraid of their food now.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 19, 2013 10:32 AM (5H6zj)

112 Organic water - full of fortifying organisms!!!!

Like cholera.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 19, 2013 10:32 AM (QLuGB)

113 Dammit, we're trying to start a business here!

Posted by: Organic Soylent Green at January 19, 2013 10:32 AM (FcR7P)

114 For this coming Easter, I will be offering Fair Trade Organic Marshmallow Peeps in containers made of up to 10% post-consumer content for the low price of $27 per half-dozen.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 19, 2013 10:33 AM (JDIKC)

115 Don't use Nutra Sweet. It will cause cancer and you will die. Real unbleached sugar is want you want. Being fat is healthy!


Oh, and that evil corn syrup. Never put that shit in your mouth.

Which means, don't buy any thing at a grocery store and don't shave your legs or pits, it clogs up your pores or something.

Posted by: Mary Congestien from somewhere up in Vt. at January 19, 2013 10:33 AM (wR+pz)

116 You mean it's not orgasmic?
Gah
I'm gonna have to start looking a little closer at the labels.

Posted by: moronic at January 19, 2013 10:33 AM (aZ6ew)

117 110
53 @44



We have buffalo in our local store but not ostrich which is a shame b/c youre right, its good. Emu is even better imho.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 19, 2013 10:17 AM (5H6zj)



Spotted owl is pretty good.

Posted by: BignJames at January 19, 2013 10:31 AM (Sg0G/)


You know what else is good?
Baby lambs.http://tinyurl.com/2725h9v

Posted by: EC at January 19, 2013 10:33 AM (doBIb)

118 111 Its sad that ppl are afraid of their food now.
Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 19, 2013 10:32 AM (5H6zj)

I'm afraid of potted meat and vienna sausages,

Posted by: BignJames at January 19, 2013 10:33 AM (Sg0G/)

119
Hmmm,
How stupid are the liberals and hipsters who buy into this shit?
OK, fine, we need science to tell us about the nutritional value of the individual food.
EXCEPT I've been pointing out to people since I was highschool that modern farming has allowed us to grow somuch more food, that this has to outweigh any percieved nutritional deficiency. (To put it differently, we're not exactly dying of scruvy over here. And we're better fed in general.)
People who want to undo that simply hate the poor. I really do think we'll be able to make a remarkably large dent in food shortages world wide in my lifetime, if people would just let us use all the tools in our bag.

Posted by: tsrblke at January 19, 2013 10:33 AM (GaqMa)

120 Can I still blow them up in the microwave, EoJ?

Posted by: no good deed at January 19, 2013 10:34 AM (mjR67)

121 Jeff, does your mission statement include a section on the treatment of and potty options for your marshmellow pickers?

(or should that be "peep pickers"?)

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 19, 2013 10:34 AM (SUKHu)

122 http://bit.ly/Wo77OV
http://bit.ly/V77MbU
Challengers from the Sidelines: Understanding America’s Violent Far-Right

Folks, the military needed to be cut. It needs to be cut even more than is currently scheduled. The officers are being indoctrinated to liberal thought and taught that conservatives are violent.

We arent going to have many friends in the military at leadership




http://bit.ly/Wo77OV



Posted by: blindside at January 19, 2013 10:34 AM (ajjwb)

123 Food-related. Im on a diet. Blech. But the other day i was out with a friend and allowed myself a shrimp po boy. Nearly had an orgasm from the white bread.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 19, 2013 10:34 AM (5H6zj)

124 Like cholera.


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 19, 2013 10:32 AM (QLuGB)

Speaking of Cholera, a third world disease, Cuba announced an outbreak in Havana.Yeah, they are really doing well down there.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 19, 2013 10:35 AM (wR+pz)

125 Nearly had an orgasm from the white bread.


My wife's on the "no grain" diet. It looks like it sucks.

Molecular biologist here, btw.

Posted by: EC at January 19, 2013 10:36 AM (doBIb)

126 "Are Donuts organic ?"

I presume that's a rhetorical question, because they certainly are to me.

Posted by: Governor Donuts at January 19, 2013 10:36 AM (HjPtV)

127 Organic water...now with dysentery!

For a limited time only order your 32oz 'diet to the stars!'

Posted by: RWC at January 19, 2013 10:37 AM (sqp6o)

128 Im thinking of asking Mr Ynot to add food to our live-making... Hot dog rolls.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 19, 2013 10:37 AM (5H6zj)

129
Don't use Nutra Sweet. It will cause cancer and you will die. Real unbleached sugar is want you want. Being fat is healthy!

The nutrasweet cancer claims were overblown.
Turns out the way rats process the stuff is entirely different than how humans process it. Rats generate crystals that puncture their bladders (which lead directly to cancer because of the constant need for bladder repair eventually results in a miscopied cell.)
Humans don't do that. Later experiements in mice showed no likelyhood of cancer.
It's the "Andrew Wakefiled" of food science. Horribly horribly flawed study, constantly cited.

Posted by: tsrblke at January 19, 2013 10:37 AM (GaqMa)

130 I think a lot of people say organic when they mean fresh.

Posted by: Invictus at January 19, 2013 10:37 AM (OQpzc)

131
Nearly had an orgasm from the white bread. Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 19, 2013 10:34 AM (5H6zj)
=====================
Now I'm afraid of YOUR food.

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 19, 2013 10:37 AM (MPjT8)

132 119 TSRBike,

They want the poor to die at worst, or live in nice little caves at best.

I was once poor and take great offense at efforts made to prevent the poor from growing out of poverty into a better lifestyle.

The GOP has a message to sway some of the poor if we are willing to use it.

Our way gets you a better quality of life and we will help you try to climb out and chase YOUR dreams not tell you what YOUR dreams are and then have you go into debt or take from another to chase paying the campus faculty to have TAs teach you half assed pap.

The GOP needs to launch a VoTech revolution.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 19, 2013 10:39 AM (LRFds)

133 Y-not, you should have paid attention to the warnings.

http://youtu.be/l6xdv9RqFtw

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 19, 2013 10:39 AM (QLuGB)

134 @129

Facts? Never heard of them. My yoga instructor told me that all those sweeteners make you die of constipation, cancer or terminal ugly.


If you can't believe your yoga instructor, you simply have no faith in anything.




Posted by: Mary Congestien from somewhere up in Vt. at January 19, 2013 10:40 AM (wR+pz)

135 Nearly had an orgasm from the white bread. Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 19, 2013 10:34 AM (5H6zj)
=====================
Now I'm afraid of YOUR food.

Funny, I want the recipe.

Posted by: no good deed at January 19, 2013 10:40 AM (mjR67)

136 I agree that there's little to no difference in taste or nutrition between "organic" and "non-organic" fruits and vegetables.

But-

There's a huge difference in flavor between "organic" and "non-organic" meat and fish.

I think that's because so many companies add water(additives + saline?) to their meats now that the flavor is off.

The ability to cook properly as well - hard to get a proper sear on water-logged meat.

Look at the tiny writing on your next package of meat. It'lll probably say something like 15% water content added.

Anyway- the flavor thing came as a complete accident after the wife decided to try some of the "organic" chicken and beef at Costco of all places.

We had fried chicken that night-

And the chicken. Actually. Tasted. Like. The. Chicken. We. Remembered. From. Our. Youth.

Man, were we pleasantly surprised.

The next night we had the "organic" roast.

Again, it actually had the full beef flavor we remembered from our youth.

So, now we try to buy organic meat- it makes a huge flavor difference.


And fish-

Don't tell me you can't tell the difference in flavor between wild or your own fresh caught fish and the farmed fish you can buy.

So, now we try to buy wild- usually on sale cuz that stuff's expensive.


To sum up-

Organic/wild meats and fish = yum

Organic fruits and veg = meh*


*Except for apples- some of the non-organic apples have been kept in "cold storage" for months or weeks. That's why you sometimes get apples that seem all mealy and flavorless.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 19, 2013 10:40 AM (G9qZk)

137 My two oldest stepsons were "sustainable development" majors in college. Yeah, don't tell me, the biggest money scam EVAH! They were taught all that sustainable practice bullshit about farming. You know who should be teaching that major? The Amish.

Anyhow, I asked them if they ever studied Norman Borlaug. They looked at me as if I asked them something in Farsi.

*sigh*

All that liberal bullshit and they can't study the real scientists who actually made this world better.

Posted by: EC at January 19, 2013 10:41 AM (doBIb)

138 *waves to biologist*

my PhD is in developmental biology but my research was a mux of cell bio and biophysics.


I'm not doing a strict low carb diet but I am going reduced carb (45% of calories) and higher fiber so white bread is something I dont get much of. Supposed to be doing this in solidarity with husband but hes been at a conference and not in it. FML.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 19, 2013 10:41 AM (5H6zj)

139 We shop at Key Food and are always amazed by the bounty of cheap food we get there. The organic lemons aren't much different from the regular ones except they cost much more. We prefer regular romaine lettuce to the hearts in a bag when we make Caesar salad at home. The soup kits are great. We use those to make lentil soup, and we like Goya lentils. They are virtually indistinguishable from the fancy ones, though I'll admit lentils vert de Puy live up to the hype. The only instance where organic trumps commercial is apples. There is nothing like a crisp, tart apple in season, although I like generic Granny Smiths that are engineered to give that effect. But I love Winesaps when I can find them.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 19, 2013 10:41 AM (7h5MH)

140 :::I see you've been spending some time at "Ye Olde Beer Shoppe".


"I believe there will be no charge for this two-four of Elsinore...":::

Heh. True story:

When I moved here, I was looking for beer, and being from New Orleans, was used to buying alcohol from anywhere: grocery store, gas station, Christian bookstore - you name it.

None of these places up here have it. So I ask an employee, "Okay, I give up. Where can you buy beer around here?"

"The Beer Store."

"Are you trying to be a fucking smartass?!"

Sure enough, it's called "The Beer Store" and when you walk in, there's not a single beer in sight. So, to not look like a noob, I hang back and wait to see how it works. A dude goes up to the counter, tells the gal what he wants, she yells it into a microphone, and in the back of the store, you hear the same order repeatedly yelled by at LEAST three different voices, and through a dog-door sized hole, a case of beer comes zipping down a conveyor belt.

No shit. It's not a beer store, it's a jobs program.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 19, 2013 10:41 AM (JDIKC)

141 Yeah oddly enough I am betting soccer mom will buy Orazmo white bread even if it has a pound of nutra-sweet.

White bread was once a treat, as was cow's milk.....


Posted by: sven10077 at January 19, 2013 10:41 AM (LRFds)

142 @133

The Stuff?

Valu rite Vodka right? It WILL take over you.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 19, 2013 10:42 AM (wR+pz)

143
The GOP needs to launch a VoTech revolution.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 19, 2013 10:39 AM (LRFds)
======
HELL yeah. I've been saying for years this bullshit about "you need to go to college to be successful" is a swindle. The world needs welders not more cubicle mice. And there's money in the trades.

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 19, 2013 10:42 AM (MPjT8)

144 I made hamburger buns from scratch for a BBQ at a friend's house once.

You know how there's sometimes a quiet moment in a big group of people?

That's when his brother yelled out "Hey, you gotta try AJ's buns!"

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 19, 2013 10:42 AM (SUKHu)

145 I'm disappointed that conservative blogs think they have to, by default, be against organic foods. I have a child who has some serious health issues and she responds much better to organic foods than regular foods. I take these anti-organic-food studies with a grain of salt because I have seen with my own eyes that it does make a difference - in her case, most likely, because the fruits and vegetables she is eating aren't saturated with pesticides. Follow the Environmental Working Group on Facebook to learn more about how we are awash in chemicals every day and how they are harming us. You can be a conservative and care about how this stuff is affecting our daily lives.

Posted by: Travis at January 19, 2013 10:42 AM (9WkMB)

146 Have 3 Wegmans within 25 minutes. Closest being a 10 minute drive.

Posted by: RWC at January 19, 2013 10:42 AM (sqp6o)

147 @140

So, when did you move to Canada, eh?

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 19, 2013 10:43 AM (wR+pz)

148 Billy Bob, watch the other trailers. It will become frighteningly clear.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 19, 2013 10:43 AM (QLuGB)

149 >>It's not a beer store, it's a jobs program.

Thinking about PA booze still gives me a headache. You have to go to three stores to get beer, wine and/or beer, and mixers.

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 19, 2013 10:44 AM (SUKHu)

150 Sure enough, it's called "The Beer Store" and when you walk in, there's
not a single beer in sight. So, to not look like a noob, I hang back and
wait to see how it works. A dude goes up to the counter, tells the gal
what he wants, she yells it into a microphone, and in the back of the
store, you hear the same order repeatedly yelled by at LEAST three
different voices, and through a dog-door sized hole, a case of beer
comes zipping down a conveyor belt.



Dude...I'm from there, remember? I grew up thinking that was the only way everyone else in the world got their beer. Watching "Strange Brew" only made me believe it more when they go try to get their free beer.


Posted by: EC at January 19, 2013 10:45 AM (doBIb)

151 >So, any good movies on right now?

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 19, 2013 10:31 AM (SUKHu)

Jason Statham Action Movie at the top of the hour

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 19, 2013 10:45 AM (8sCoq)

152 @146, I have 15 Wegmans within a 25-minute drive. I win.

Posted by: Travis at January 19, 2013 10:45 AM (9WkMB)

153 how many canadians does it take to get eoj a beer?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 19, 2013 10:45 AM (GVxQo)

154 Ot - love watching the news and seeing them give reasons why DC hotels vacancies with TFG coronation coming up.

Posted by: RWC at January 19, 2013 10:46 AM (sqp6o)

155 I'm not doing a strict low carb diet but I am going reduced carb (45% of calories)

The very upper edge of maybe-low-carb is 40%.

Posted by: t-bird at January 19, 2013 10:46 AM (FcR7P)

156 @145

Perception is 90% of reality. Glad it works for your child. That is not a blind test, but if you are happy, then the hoard is happy.

Pass the jelly biscuit please.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 19, 2013 10:46 AM (wR+pz)

157 Food related: A few months ago I read about a typical taxpayer screwjob regarding peanuts. Apparently they had great weather for peanuts in SC, GA, etc. last season. Both quantity and quality were superior. The gist of the article was that many farmers were not selling their nuts because they could take advantage of Federalprice guarantees and wait untilpeanuts were a bit scarcer. So consumers wouldn't see a price drop and taxpayers would keep propping up the farmerseven when they didn't need it. The one silver liningis that peanuts really are better right now. I buy at least two jars a week,sometimes Planter's, sometimes store brand (whichever ones look darker on any given day). They are"snappier" and more stronglyflavored than most years.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 19, 2013 10:46 AM (ZshNr)

158 :::147 @140

So, when did you move to Canada, eh?
Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 19, 2013 10:43 AM (wR+pz):::

Summer of 2010. It is still strange to think of myself as a foreigner occasionally, but for the most part, it's easy to forget.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 19, 2013 10:46 AM (JDIKC)

159 Supposed to be doing this in solidarity with husband but hes been at a conference and not in it.


Hahaha...he's eating those fancy little snack sandwiches they leave out inbetween presentations. You have burp to see what it tasted like.

Posted by: EC at January 19, 2013 10:46 AM (doBIb)

160 I suppose a printer AR would be considered organic.

Just taking a break, this couch needs some fuggin.

Posted by: sTevo at January 19, 2013 10:47 AM (VMcEw)

161 154 Ot - love watching the news and seeing them give reasons why DC hotels vacancies with TFG coronation coming up.

Posted by: RWC at January 19, 2013 10:46 AM (sqp6o)


March for Life is on Friday and the hotels are therefore booked solid in the days *after* the inauguration.

Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am (dental hygiene is imporant) at January 19, 2013 10:47 AM (+tsoh)

162 EC, you mean the little finger sandwiches that cost the conference an arm and a leg to buy?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 19, 2013 10:48 AM (QLuGB)

163
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 19, 2013 10:41 AM (JDIKC)

FFS, where is "here" I never want to go there.
FWIW, I got a kick of Seattle getting all bent out of shape when their liquor prices skyrocketed when they allowed regular stores (non Gov't run ones) to start selling liquor.
Everyone yelled "see Capitalism doesn't work?!!" no one bothered to note the law included a 10% additional tax on liquor.
So the prices are roughly in line with what I pay in the midwest, until they apply the absurd (IIRC) 40% liquor tax.

Posted by: tsrblke at January 19, 2013 10:48 AM (GaqMa)

164 ::ude...I'm from there, remember?:::

Sorry, if you ever told me, I must have forgotten. Usually I have a good memory for these types of things. What part?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 19, 2013 10:48 AM (JDIKC)

165 Travis

I have a friend who has that multiple sensitivities syndrome thing. You know that condition where youre kind of allergic to everything. Obviously a very controversial thing and not understood or accepted by the medical community.

What I'd say is the human body is an amzing thing. I think there can be mutations that increase receptir numbers or sensitivity that make some ppl very sensitive. But not most ir many ppl.

So do what works for your kid.

But i suspect often its that ppl switch from eating a lot of processed foods to cooking feom scratch and that that is the main effect.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 19, 2013 10:48 AM (5H6zj)

166 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 19, 2013 10:41 AM (JDIKC)

Same with PA. Probably why most of my Uncles have kegs delivered to their house. Pain in the ass to buy alcohol there.

Posted by: RWC at January 19, 2013 10:49 AM (sqp6o)

167 The advantage is not nutritive. The advantage is avoiding all the pesticides and hormones and antibiotics: hormones in milk that'll give your boys tits, abx resistant pathogens in your pork and chicken, grown hormone in your beef.

Posted by: Fatboy at January 19, 2013 10:49 AM (3o0gl)

168 EC, you mean the little finger sandwiches that cost the conference an arm and a leg to buy?


Yeah, those ones that look very pretty and colourful and are about the size of a silver dollar. I can eat about four of them in one bite.

Posted by: EC at January 19, 2013 10:49 AM (doBIb)

169 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 19, 2013 10:46 AM (JDIKC)


Which province are you in? I know it can't be Alberta because they privatized when I was a kid.

Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am (dental hygiene is imporant) at January 19, 2013 10:49 AM (+tsoh)

170 when i was looking for rooms in aug and sept for romney's inauguration, there were not a lot of options available....most hotels in dc were already sold out.......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 19, 2013 10:50 AM (GVxQo)

171 @156, perception isn't 90 percent reality. Reality is 100 percent reality. One just needs to be aware of it.

I used to think all of this organic talk was liberal gobbedlygook, too, but I now know better. Our world is besieged by chemicals that are harming us every day. Eventually, we'll reach a tipping point and everyone else will realize it, too.

Until then, enjoy the plastic containers that people heat their lunches up in, and the aerosol air fresheners that people "clean" their air with, and the unseen chemicals pouring out of the copy machine at work.

I know I sound crazy. But I'm not. Thanks for reading.

Posted by: Travis at January 19, 2013 10:50 AM (9WkMB)

172 Great Canada beer story. So, eh, we are near the arctic circle ducking hunting. The plane refused to come get us, so we rent a bus for a 12 hour trip to Winnipeg. It's Sunday and no one is open to get us some beer for the trip. The driver's brother owns a bar, he opens it and sells us four cases of beer at a very reasonable mark up. He felt out pain.

The bus ride still sucked. Americans have no fucking idea how big Canada is. Isn't it the second largest country in the world, behind Russia?

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 19, 2013 10:51 AM (wR+pz)

173 March for Life is on Friday and the hotels are therefore booked solid in the days *after* the inauguration.

Posted by: I lurk, therefore I am (dental hygiene is imporant) at January 19, 2013 10:47 AM (+tsoh)

Sad that all the MSM takes a vacation at that time.



Huh? You mean there is another reason it's never covered?

Posted by: RWC at January 19, 2013 10:51 AM (sqp6o)

174 EoJ are you in Canada to get away from a declining US or because of your job.

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 19, 2013 10:52 AM (MPjT8)

175 Have 3 Wegmans within 25 minutes. Closest being a 10 minute drive.

Posted by: RWC at January 19, 2013 10:42 AM (sqp6o)



Apropos of nothing, I just sent you a box.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Take us away. at January 19, 2013 10:53 AM (Gk3SS)

176 China is pretty Big ...

Posted by: American Dawg at January 19, 2013 10:53 AM (trA4n)

177 T-bird

I use the Mayo clinic guidelines for a balanced diet and shift to the low end if their carb range which is 45-65% of total cals. And i up my fiber and count calories. It worked well for me last time. I am not big on fad diets.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 19, 2013 10:54 AM (5H6zj)

178 @171

Could all be true. People still believe pasteurization of milk is evil. It's a free country and everyone gets to make their own choices, thank god.


I worry less about that shit than being overweight and not working out. That is going to kill you faster than the plastic in a container.

Diet starts Feb 1st.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 19, 2013 10:54 AM (wR+pz)

179 Weird. I just lost ALL my email on AOL. But they were able to recover it. Weird shit. It was right after Apple sent me some announcment about iCloud.com?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 19, 2013 10:54 AM (9Bj8R)

180 Usually I have a good memory for these types of things. What part?


Directly north of your work.

Posted by: EC at January 19, 2013 10:54 AM (doBIb)

181 I'm officially on my twice annual weigh in diet. I will eat like a rabbit for the next 3 months

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 19, 2013 10:55 AM (9Bj8R)

182 HEY! Today is gun appreciation day!


What have you done to appreciate your guns? Son is cleaning all 30 of our long guns!

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 19, 2013 10:55 AM (wR+pz)

183 Americans have no fucking idea how big Canada is.

No, no, no. That's just the Mercator Projection.

Posted by: t-bird at January 19, 2013 10:55 AM (FcR7P)

184 ...if you thought the bus ride was bad, imagine the camel ride across the Caliphate with NO beer!

Posted by: t-bird at January 19, 2013 10:56 AM (FcR7P)

185 The advantage is not nutritive. The advantage is avoiding all the pesticides and hormones and antibiotics: hormones in milk that'll give your boys tits, abx resistant pathogens in your pork and chicken, grown hormone in your beef. Posted by: Fatboy at January 19, 2013 10:49 AM (3o0gl)You can't use antibiotics in chicken per USDA guidelines IIRC. If you check most chicken in now antibiotic free. (But they still advertise it, because it allows them to charge more. The little astrick tells you about the USDA rule.

Posted by: tsrblke at January 19, 2013 10:56 AM (GaqMa)

186 @176

I looked it up. Antarctica is listed, its not a fucking country. Russia, Canada China.


http://tinyurl.com/d4sjvlq

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 19, 2013 10:56 AM (wR+pz)

187 Americans have no fucking idea how big Canada is.

Canada? That is our biggest State right?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 19, 2013 10:57 AM (9Bj8R)

188 Billy Bob. Another look at the subject of all these new problems cropping up is simple. Us humans, these pestiferous smart monkeys, have so slayed the usual killers of children that more obscure issues are cropping up.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 19, 2013 10:57 AM (QLuGB)

189 @178, a lot of research shows that our exposure to chemicals actually makes us fatter, or makes us more likely to be fat. It's all related. I wish you all the health in the world.

Posted by: Travis at January 19, 2013 10:57 AM (9WkMB)

190 I know how big Canada is - I *love* Canada! What a great country! I live i New York and have been to Ontario, Quebec, Alberta, and British Columbia. Amazingly beautiful country!

Posted by: Travis at January 19, 2013 10:58 AM (9WkMB)

191 @186

Fuck look at that list. Russia is almost TWICE as big as Canada. Don't they have six time zones.


Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 19, 2013 10:59 AM (wR+pz)

192 Americans have no fucking idea how big Canada is.



Canada? That is our biggest State right?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 19, 2013 10:57 AM (9Bj8R)



I thought it was a hat.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Take us away. at January 19, 2013 10:59 AM (Gk3SS)

193 HEY! Today is gun appreciation day!


What have you done to appreciate your guns? Son is cleaning all 30 of our long guns!



There's a gun show in Raleigh this weekend. I'm going tomorrow to see how badly I'll get raped on buying ammo.

Posted by: EC at January 19, 2013 10:59 AM (doBIb)

194 I marched in what I think was the first March for life when I was a pre-teen. Webt with my mom. It was cold as heck but really inspiring.

I really loved the red rose symbol they use. Used to wear one this time of year.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 19, 2013 10:59 AM (5H6zj)

195 Don't they have six time zones.

I think they have a dozen or so.

Posted by: EC at January 19, 2013 11:00 AM (doBIb)

196
Yeah, total crap, so says the 237 studies all magically funded by major food corporations. Have to disagree with this one. Watch Food, Inc. My wife suffers from celiac disease, which isn't actually a disease, and I see this stuff on a daily basis. It's not a joke. Some are more sensitive than others, but it's rather well established that mass produced food contains a lot of bad stuff. I've got a sister-in-law that can only eat grass-fed beef. If she eats any meat that isn't grass fed she has what amounts to an allergic reaction, her face swells up, she's in extreme pain, etc. It's no joke, if you saw pictures it would freak you out. A rare case of course, but others have reactions too, just on a smaller scale without realizing it. Why is it that we have higher incidence of mental health issues than compared with 100 or 200 years ago? Why more allergies?Why do populations in 3rd world nations who eat more normal diets have lower incidence of these conditions than we do? Why other health issues that we didn't have before? Yes we live longer, but it's got nothing to do with what we eat. It's in spite of what we eat. Biologically we were meant to have high meat high fat diets with smaller amounts of veggies and grains, this is how we lived for thousands of years. And we certainly didn't eat all these processed foods or vegetables covered in pesticides or meat from animals juiced up to make them larger who are also eating corn and other things (also covered with pesticides) that they weren't meant to eat either. It's a bit foolish to dismiss even the idea that all this might have side-effects. I had the exact same mindset about this stuff until I got married and saw what my wife goes through. It's real.

Posted by: Andrew at January 19, 2013 11:00 AM (HS3dy)

197 I have taken Many Organic Fish Hostage from Canadian Waters... Nobody paid the ransom so we had to eat them...

Posted by: American Dawg at January 19, 2013 11:01 AM (trA4n)

198 I looked it up. Antarctica is listed, its not a fucking country. Russia, Canada China.

http://tinyurl.com/d4sjvlq


We're only 80,000 sq mi behind China. We should have kept some of Mexico.

Posted by: t-bird at January 19, 2013 11:02 AM (FcR7P)

199 The Organic Food phoneys will fight you to the last drop of carrot juice on this. We went through this with the natural vitamin weirdos back in the day. Your body can't tell the difference. Your wallet can.

Posted by: SurferDoc at January 19, 2013 11:02 AM (6H6FZ)

200 What is the molecular defect in celiac disease?

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 19, 2013 11:03 AM (5H6zj)

201 193 HEY! Today is gun appreciation day!


What have you done to appreciate your guns? Son is cleaning all 30 of our long guns!





I'm flying home today, so I get to see my CZ for the first time in 2 weeks. I've felt naked without it.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 19, 2013 11:04 AM (zfJo7)

202 Perusing the first news thread of the morning, it looks like lots of 'rons and their families have some sort of bug going around. I humbly offer this recipe for Hot Ginger Lemonade, which always makes the adults in the RB household feel better. (I think it would be tough to get little kids to drink this without a gallon of honey in it.)

This home remedy that was printed in the Richmond Times-Dispatch more than a decade ago. It's suggested for "chilly weather colds, flu, general aches and pains, nagging sore throats and just plain blahs. Hot ginger lemonade makes everything all right again."




Hot Ginger Lemonade



2 Tbs fresh, grated ginger root (no need to peel)
2 cups boiling water
1 Tbs honey *
2 Tbs freshly squeezed lemon juice
pinch cayenne pepper

Put ginger shards into boiling water. Cover pot and let steep for 5 or 10 minutes. Strain out the ginger, add the honey, lemon and pepper. Stir, drink, get well.





From the article: Ginger lemonade tastes best in a tempered glass or very thin china mug for reasons I don't quite understand.




* I need way more honey than this to be able to drink this.

Hint: Wrap knobs of fresh ginger in foil and store in freezer. It keeps a long time.

Posted by: RushBabe at January 19, 2013 11:05 AM (tQHzJ)

203 196

As with everything YMMV. The only food I have trouble with is brussel sprouts. If I even think about them, I get nauseous. Why?

Cause they taste like little turds.

Posted by: Bruce at January 19, 2013 11:05 AM (Rdesr)

204 Hot Ginger Lemonade




Best if served by a hot ginger.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 19, 2013 11:06 AM (zfJo7)

205 Original Alamo on AMC. Santa Claus is about to launch the final assault.

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 19, 2013 11:07 AM (MPjT8)

206 Organics is what leads to arugula pizza.

Posted by: CAC at January 19, 2013 11:07 AM (aYKjq)

207 Best use of "organic" is in regards to the economy, as in "the fight of the century" video.

HAYEK

You see slack in some sectors as a “general glut”

But some sectors are healthy, only some in a rut

So spending’s not free – that’s the heart of the matter

too much is wasted as cronies get fatter.
The economy’s not a car, there’s no engine to stall

no expert can fix it, there’s no “it” at all.

The economy’s us, we don’t need a mechanic

Put away the wrenches, the economy’s organic

Posted by: Illini Bill at January 19, 2013 11:08 AM (HQuBO)

208 Damn it, Drudge is reporting that all of the hostages in Algeria were
killed. I have a connection to one of the hostages that was identified
(I'm assuming by mistake) by the media in my hometown.

Posted by: no good deed at January 19, 2013 11:09 AM (mjR67)

209 I thought it was a hat.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Take us away. at January 19, 2013 10:59 AM (Gk3SS)



You mean tuque.

Posted by: beach snowsmothered at January 19, 2013 11:09 AM (LpQbZ)

210 I like arugula!

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 19, 2013 11:09 AM (5H6zj)

211 What have you done to appreciate your guns? Son is cleaning all 30 of our long guns!

You, sir, are a great American.

Funny, if a liberal moved to your area, he wouldn't have to worry about guns because the criminals do that for him.

Posted by: t-bird at January 19, 2013 11:09 AM (FcR7P)

212 Andrew if you so pine for the simpler ways and food of Third World nations, I know many people in places like Colombia who will trade places with you. Nothing like eating mystery meat in pita bread, seeing the locals at the zoo toss live chickens at the alligators, crowd 6 people and house goods on a moped, and smoke Marlboro Reds at age 12 to make one love the nation they were born in.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 19, 2013 11:10 AM (QLuGB)

213 Is it organic ginger?

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 19, 2013 11:10 AM (MPjT8)

214
Note, this article also doesn't really address the issue. Yes, a banana is a banana. Nobody said an "organic" banana has a higher nutritional content.A banana is still a freaking banana.Organic simply refers to how it's grown, the environment, pesticides, etc. E coli? WTF does this have to do with anything? People aren't afraid of getting E coli or Salmonella from non-organic fruits or veggies or meat. If anything I would think you are less likely. I have never heard this argument anywhere. Organic beef simply means it's grass fed cows, not cows juiced on various drugs, not cows fed corn or milo that is covered in extra-strength pesticides that they won't even use on the mass produced food meant for human consumption. Often illegal actually. So instead the cow eats the bad pesticide, it goes into their system, into their meat, and then passed on to you in the form of a steak. Those same chemicals are in the steak.
And if this is all a load of crap, explain to me how my sister-in-law magically has a HUGE reaction from eating beef that isn't from grass fed cows? Not a joke. Put two steaks in front of her. One is grass fed, the other from the regular meat section at your local grocery store. She will have an allergic reaction to one and not the other.

Posted by: Andrew at January 19, 2013 11:10 AM (HS3dy)

215 Drudge is reporting that all of the hostages in Algeria were killed.

*Yawn* Ah, that was a good sleep. Who the fuck was that calling at 3am?

Posted by: Little Lord Barry at January 19, 2013 11:11 AM (FcR7P)

216 @196, I understand everything you are saying. Unfortunately, this appears to be an issue that people can't grasp until their health - or that of someone they love - proves it to them. Thanks for sharing your experience.

Posted by: Travis at January 19, 2013 11:11 AM (9WkMB)

217

the funny thing about Canada is the entire population (~population of Cali) is clinging to the southern border, basically

a handful of cities

going as far south as the border allows them

(kinda like in the states, everyone navigating to the warmest spots)

Posted by: beach snowsmothered at January 19, 2013 11:11 AM (LpQbZ)

218 Has Ace gone all protectionist? Where's the post about al-qaeda taking like 70 hostages including westerners in algeria?

Posted by: domestic at January 19, 2013 11:11 AM (RIbzG)

219 >>Original Alamo on AMC.

Hey, I've been to where they filmed that.

Link in name.

Later, H8ers.

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 19, 2013 11:12 AM (SUKHu)

220 I've been eating nothing but organics whenever possible for the past 40 years. The issue isn't e. coli or price or anything else. It boils down to two things: cancer and taste. The chemicals, gene modding, pesticides, antibiotics, and other things that are used to tamper with foods ( know what "fiber" is? Sawdust, pretty much), provably add to your risk of cancer. And even blindfolded I can always taste the difference between organics and non-organics, a trick I've had to pull at parties a few times to convince people. Organics taste better. If you've got no taste, don't bother with them.

Posted by: Kegger at January 19, 2013 11:12 AM (80Ifx)

221 @212, Anna, what the heck are you talking about? Why would I need to move to Columbia? I can buy whatever food I want here...? Are you seriously telling me that I should move to another country because I don't eat the same food as you...?

Posted by: Andrew at January 19, 2013 11:12 AM (HS3dy)

222 Best if served by a hot ginger.

There's one in every crowd.

Posted by: RushBabe at January 19, 2013 11:12 AM (tQHzJ)

223 Where's the post about al-qaeda taking like 70 hostages including westerners in algeria?

You mean all the dead hostages?

Posted by: EC at January 19, 2013 11:12 AM (doBIb)

224 I am a proud farm of non-organic fruit. If I could afford it, I would even use twice the synthetic pesticides that I currently do, sadly, though I cannot. Still, though, I've cut out my non-synthetics as they never seem to work and make a horrible enviornmental mess on the farm when I did use them.

Posted by: doug at January 19, 2013 11:13 AM (uJ8q7)

225 Organic, what could go wrong? Surely there was no reason for advanced farming techniques!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB (for the Children, of course) at January 19, 2013 11:14 AM (Cnqmv)

226 :::174 EoJ are you in Canada to get away from a declining US or because of your job.
Posted by: USS Diversity at January 19, 2013 10:52 AM (MPjT:::

Not at first, but could end up that way, and yes.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 19, 2013 11:14 AM (JDIKC)

227 Andrew you seemed to be extolling all the good of the simpler Third World diet. I was merely pointing to things I have seen in such Third World countries. And why I like this country as a result.

And the country name is spelled Colombia.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 19, 2013 11:15 AM (QLuGB)

228 I had an extra ticket to the opera for this wkend and was trying to think of someone I could invite. Started to realize they all were food cranks of one type or anither meaning the pre show dinner would suck. Fortunately was able to switch ticket nites so my husband could go.

When ppl rely on "research funded by the evil companies" but trust reports from advocacy groups, i start to turn off.

I wait until a solid medical research org like Mayo tells me to worry. YMMV.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 19, 2013 11:16 AM (5H6zj)

229 #226
Canada is too cold.
And Canadian.
And it's bacon is a travesty.

Posted by: CAC at January 19, 2013 11:16 AM (aYKjq)

230 Canada? That is our biggest State right?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 19, 2013 10:57 AM (9Bj8R)


I thought it was a hat.

I used to think there was a reason 90% of the Canadian population lived within 50 miles of the U.S. border: Canadians were warming themselves around the campfire of American prosperity. Methinks it's the other way 'round now.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at January 19, 2013 11:16 AM (M0O7A)

231 Some of you are conflating processed foods with foods grown by conventional (1st world) methods. Not the same issues.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 19, 2013 11:18 AM (5H6zj)

232 Algeria crisis: 'Captors and hostages die in assault'
http://bbc.in/UXxBpD


Posted by: sTevo at January 19, 2013 11:18 AM (VMcEw)

233 One is grass fed, the other from the regular meat section at your local grocery store. She will have an allergic reaction to one and not the other.
Posted by: Andrew at January 19, 2013 11:10 AM (HS3dy)



mass produced cows are given hormones and antibiotics -- and yes, corn based everything

derivatives of corn are found in so many processed foods

not sure how the grass fed cows are kept healthy



Posted by: beach snowsmothered at January 19, 2013 11:18 AM (LpQbZ)

234 222 Best if served by a hot ginger.

There's one in every crowd.
Posted by: RushBabe at January 19, 2013 11:12 AM (tQHzJ)






Hey, the IS the HQ. Someone has to hold the discourse to accepted AoS standards, no matter how low.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 19, 2013 11:19 AM (mQmzV)

235 @202

Hot lemonade without Rum? Clearly an over site.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 19, 2013 11:19 AM (wR+pz)

236 The problem with organics is, it is a constantly moving target. If you need to eat all organic all the time, YOU actually have to grow and raise it. Otherwise you are at the mercy of some rule somewhere written by and enforced by who cares, and slaughtered and packed by it's not my job. Putting organic on food is like putting Republican behind Boehners name.

Posted by: Bruce at January 19, 2013 11:19 AM (Rdesr)

237 the funny thing about Canada is the entire population (~population of Cali) is clinging to the southern border

North Dakota? Woohoo, spring break!

Posted by: Canadians at January 19, 2013 11:19 AM (FcR7P)

238 Damn it, Drudge is reporting that all of the hostages in Algeria were killed.


And, somehow, it will be Bush's fault.

I guarantee you, the JEF wanted his schedule cleared for his own partying events. No incidences during his moment. You think they even tried to help free them? Like Benghazi? Not on your life. TFG's self-preening is more important.

signing off

have a good one, folks

Posted by: beach snowsmothered at January 19, 2013 11:21 AM (LpQbZ)

239 Plus many "grass fed" beef are then allowed to be fed "organic" corn before slaughter to fatten them up. It is still called grass fed or pastured.

Posted by: Bruce at January 19, 2013 11:23 AM (Rdesr)

240 Muslims don't care about Kafirs, they simply want to kill the other Muslims to show that this shit will not stand.

Kafirs are nothing to them.

Let's just go ahead an start this religious war or should I say lets start fighting back, the Muslims have already started the war.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 19, 2013 11:23 AM (wR+pz)

241 all of the hostages in Algeria were killed.

By Evil Guns? On Coronation Eve?

Posted by: Barack XVI at January 19, 2013 11:24 AM (FcR7P)

242

What does taste better is fruit picked when ripe.

Not two weeks early to account for shipping, etc.



Posted by: nip at January 19, 2013 11:25 AM (11Tdq)

243 @241

Well, fuck, if Algeria had a assault weapons ban this would not have happened.

Posted by: Mary Congestien from somewhere up in Vt. at January 19, 2013 11:25 AM (wR+pz)

244 If you can't tell the difference in taste between the food at WalMart and the food from the cart down the road then there's no hope for you.

Posted by: palooka at January 19, 2013 11:26 AM (EuoL1)

245 :::229 #226
Canada is too cold.
And Canadian.
And it's bacon is a travesty.
Posted by: CAC at January 19, 2013 11:16 AM (aYKjq):::

To address your points in order:

A). Too cold for some. I live on the Niagara Peninsula, which is south of the most northern US states. And having come from New Orleans, AKA Satan's Filthy, Humid Ballsack, I appreciate the milder summers.

B). I'm working on that one through my Thousand Points of Jeff program. If they are truly susceptible to influence through the foreign cultures their immigrants import... piece of fuckin cake.

C). Their bacon is unfortunate, though it is still pork, so I can't downgrade it to travesty. However, 'Murican bacon is still more prevalent than Canadian bacon, or back bacon, or "pea meal" bacon, whatever the fuck that is, in the grocery stores here.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 19, 2013 11:26 AM (JDIKC)

246 All that liberal bullshit and they can't study the real scientists who actually made this world better.
Posted by: EC at January 19, 2013 10:41 AM (doBIb)

All the lefties I know hate them some Norman Borlaug. Which is weird since he allowed a whole bunch of brown people to not starve to death.

Posted by: Invictus at January 19, 2013 11:28 AM (OQpzc)

247 Organic food supports local farming cooperatives, not Big Business. Power to the People! Food is a basic human right and should not be held hostage by the Wall Street machine!

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, Vermont at January 19, 2013 11:28 AM (nyLnk)

248 @227, I did no such thing. LoL, not trying to ban non-organic food here. Simply saying it's a legitimate issue. It's pretty well established that by and large a lot of the mental and other health issues in our country are direct result of our diet. And a lot of this is shown by comparing groups in USA with groups outside USA who eat differently. It's a complicated subject. A lot of people take it too far, but it's equally foolish to dismiss it and say "move to Colombia". LOL

Posted by: Andrew at January 19, 2013 11:29 AM (HS3dy)

249 And it's bacon is a travesty.

Pfft. What about American hot dogs? Hot dogs, people...

Posted by: Barry Soetero at January 19, 2013 11:29 AM (FcR7P)

250 244
If you can't tell the difference in taste between the food at WalMart
and the food from the cart down the road then there's no hope for you.

Posted by: palooka at January 19, 2013 11:26 AM (EuoL1)

I have to laugh. Most of the "farmer's markets" are guys that go to the state farmers market and buy produce there, load it into a pick up truck and pass it off as local. Check the box the fruit is in. Comes from FL 90% of the time. I even asked a "farmer" if his fruit was local. Sure is. The shit was from Plant City FL. I guess he had a big definition of "local".

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 19, 2013 11:29 AM (wR+pz)

251 palooka

See @242


I've been trying to be patient, but some of you are getting pretty obnoxious. There seems to be a lot of emotional investment in your (or your family members') genetic mutations and illnesses.

You're all special snowflakes. Good for you.

Posted by: Y-not at January 19, 2013 11:30 AM (5H6zj)

252 Some ppl are so flaky about that stuff that our baggers at the store have to put the two types of produce in separate bags.



And then they don't wash the bags...

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 19, 2013 10:09 AM (SUKHu)

...or their hands.

Posted by: Lessons from the Ceramic Throne at January 19, 2013 11:30 AM (Qb7IZ)

253 It's pretty well established that by and large a lot of the mental and other health issues in our country are direct result of our diet.
-----

Start providing PubMed citations please.

Really, put up or shut up.

Posted by: Y-not at January 19, 2013 11:31 AM (5H6zj)

254 20
You know what else is organic? Dogshit and nuclear waste.

In
fact, everything on this planet is organic. The only things I wouldn't
call organic would be the meteorites that have fallen here from space.



Posted by: EC

As post #66 said, organic, chemically, means carbon-based.

Posted by: SFGoth at January 19, 2013 11:31 AM (E7Dhv)

255 So basically, if you're an American (non-military) and you get in to trouble overseas with local indigenous personnel, you are on your own

Thanks, Obama!

Leadership. Compelling, and rich.

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 19, 2013 11:31 AM (8sCoq)

256 All the lefties I know hate them some Norman Borlaug. Which is weird
since he allowed a whole bunch of brown people to not starve to death.



I do not understand this hatred. It's simply irrational. He did more than just help feed brown people. He helped feed the entire world.

Posted by: EC at January 19, 2013 11:31 AM (doBIb)

257 The advantage of organic produce over conventionial is lower pesticide exposure.
But eating conventional produce is still much better for one's health than not eating any produce.
In other words, organic might be marginally better, but it's unhealthy to avoid fruits/veggies just because they are not organic.

Posted by: votermom at January 19, 2013 11:31 AM (9C2h1)

258 21
@16



You inhale deeply while ironing your hemp shirt, don't you?

Posted by: JDTAY

Only if you like smoking rope.

Posted by: SFGoth at January 19, 2013 11:32 AM (E7Dhv)

259 253
It's pretty well established that by and large a lot of the mental and
other health issues in our country are direct result of our diet.


Wait, so you want to ban Valu Rite Vodka?


Banhammer!

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 19, 2013 11:32 AM (wR+pz)

260 Palooka is a drive-by troll, Y-Not.

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 19, 2013 11:33 AM (6maQ/)

261 Andrew, 'Its pretty well established that by and large a lot of mental and other health issues in our country are direct result of our diet.' Is that an appeal to unnamed sources, an appeal to settled science, or to consensus? Do you have links that support this? And I am not talking articles published in Mother Jones but lets say New England Journal of Medicine? Thanks.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 19, 2013 11:35 AM (QLuGB)

262 i wonder how many of our mental health issues are from the water supply...

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 19, 2013 11:35 AM (GVxQo)

263 Considered a witty response to this post, but only came up with 'fuck the hippies'. My apologies.

Posted by: Icedog at January 19, 2013 11:35 AM (9ScGj)

264 I lost my organic food source when Hostess went bankrupt, but I haven't noticed any ill effects from going non-organic.

Posted by: t-bird at January 19, 2013 11:36 AM (FcR7P)

265 79
74
I feed my kids organic food, except for salt and water

I swear to god, I was in Vail last week an a tv ad came on for "organic water".
You can not make this shit up. The stupid is strong.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 19, 2013 10:23 AM (wR+pz)

Maybe it was sugar-sweetened?

Posted by: Lessons from the Ceramic Throne at January 19, 2013 11:36 AM (Qb7IZ)

266
i wonder how many of our mental health issues are from concentrated 'trend rays' emanating from our televisions

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 19, 2013 11:36 AM (8sCoq)

267 I just double-checked the TV listings, and the horrible truth is that there is no football on today.

Good god we need a spring football league. This is unbearable.

Posted by: Truman North at January 19, 2013 11:36 AM (I2LwF)

268 @263

Well, spoken.

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 19, 2013 11:36 AM (wR+pz)

269 143 USS Diversity,

We need to ease wage controls, put people to work gaining world needed skills, ease enviro regs back to ~'80s level when able, free our energy sector, wean people off of the flypapers of social security and medicare etc etc etc....


instead we have weak tea pols afraid to offend anyone's sensibilities by pointing out you are either:

1) pulling the wagon of state

2) in the wagon of state

or

3) looking at the wagon of state roll along/getting in the way

and by state I mean "the people/economy" not the goddamned government.

We should be working to get everyone who is able pulling the goddamned wagon not philosophizing over the meaning of the goddamned toil.


Posted by: sven10077 at January 19, 2013 11:38 AM (LRFds)

270 i wonder how many of our mental health issues are from the water supply...
Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 19, 2013 11:35 AM (GVxQo)

Did you ever wonder if there really is something in the food, and conservatives are just immune to it?

Posted by: Invictus at January 19, 2013 11:39 AM (OQpzc)

271 So basically, if you're an American (non-military)
and you get in to trouble overseas with local indigenous personnel, you
are on your own

Thanks, Obama!

Leadership. Compelling, and rich.


Posted by: Jones in CO at January 19, 2013 11:31 AM (8sCoq)

I think the American military overseas are in trouble already. American civilians can't count on Pax Americana at all.

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB (for the Children, of course) at January 19, 2013 11:39 AM (Cnqmv)

272






93 wtf is organic
water?

I could dunk a bucket
in a stream and come up with a bucket of organic water

Posted by: Jones in CO at
January 19, 2013 10:27 AM (8sCoq)

Organic
water has sugar in it. Some of call that Kool Aid.



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Posted by: Lessons from the Ceramic Throne at January 19, 2013 11:40 AM (Qb7IZ)

273 226 EoJ,

What province I may have a plan?

If we were to say start buying the cheapish land in Manitoba we might be able to have a rally point.

There is borderline homesteading prices going on in Manitoba and Saskatchewan.

People and the will to earn their way are a national resource as much as coal.

Free Shit Army is trying to enslave us slowly, but ever so surely.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 19, 2013 11:40 AM (LRFds)

274 a sister-in-law that can only eat grass-fed beef.

My dad quit eating red meat in the mid 80s to stop his arthritis. It worked. When he broke down & had steak (usually Christmas), his hands would be swollen up like balloons the next day. Fast forward to the 00's and antibiotic/hormone free beef. He could eat that no problem, although he limited it to once a week to be safe.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at January 19, 2013 11:40 AM (vJ+A4)

275 Remember the properties of water? H2O means each molecule of
water contains two atoms of hydrogen (H) joined to one atom of oxygen
(O). In order for something to be organic — as in alive — it needs
carbon. So water, by definition is inorganic.



so basically 'organic water' is clever marketers preying on Stupid People

pls forgive the NPR link

http://is.gd/L3KwKk

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 19, 2013 11:40 AM (8sCoq)

276 Posted by: Jones in CO at January 19, 2013 11:36 AM (8sCoq)

I think it is those contrails myself!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB (for the Children, of course) at January 19, 2013 11:40 AM (Cnqmv)

277 In the organic barrel for Lessons from the Ceramic Throne.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 19, 2013 11:40 AM (QLuGB)

278 And I am not talking articles published in Mother Jones but lets say New England Journal of Medicine?
----

I'm sure we can't trust NEJM because of teh evil Pharma companies and Ag interests.


To recap. Some people have medical issues that require they eat special diets. Some people may very well have ultra-sensitive receptors or more receptors or some other mutation that makes them more sensitive to things the rest of us can tolerate. Further study is needed, as they say.

But we are omnivores and most of us have very robust physiologies that can handle a lot of things, including small doses of pesticides.

In reading these comments, there are folks who seem to be setting up a false dichotomy between a diet of Twinkies and Vienna Sausages and food grown from their home garden. It also really sounds like some of you may have gained a benefit in switching from a traditional US diet that includes a fair amount of processed foods and one based on cooking from scratch. And some of you seem convinced that the Food Industry has co-opted all of the researchers on the planet into poisoning their consumers.

Do what you want, but it seems like a miserable life to be that paranoid about the world you live in and the foods you eat.

Posted by: Y-not at January 19, 2013 11:41 AM (5H6zj)

279 Other than the purity and concentration, it's no different than the ore found in the earth.

Ok, how about this?

Radon gas coming out of your cellar is organic.


Posted by: EC at January 19, 2013 10:15 AM (doBIb)

Late to this discussion, but that is nonsense. <b>Neither</b> naturally-occurring uranium ore, or spent fuel rods are "organic" in either sense of the word "organic". The proper meaning of "organic" in chemistry is the chemistry of carbon compounds, and the only carbon that might be found in uranium ore would be carbonate, which is explicitly not "organic" in chemistry. As for the BS meaning of "organic", as in "farmed naturally", well that is totally inappropriate, too.
And, for the record, spent nuclear fuel contains numerous short-lived isotopes not normally found in nature, because their half-lives are so short that they essentially decayed away to nothing over the life of the Earth.
By the way, Canadian blogger Kate McMillan's excellent conservative blog Small Dead Animals has a recurring topic title: "Organic is Latin for 'grown in pig shit'".
Hope this renders properly, that barrel looks nasty.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 19, 2013 11:41 AM (673KB)

280 176 American Dawg,


so is Siberia....

some smart country is going to want US capitalists to be part of their engine....

put us in some remote area so we do not "pollute" their culture if needs must be but let us give you your fair cut.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 19, 2013 11:41 AM (LRFds)

281 Pasting from Microsoft Word? Still not organic.

Posted by: t-bird at January 19, 2013 11:41 AM (FcR7P)

282 Col. Travis gave the order to assemble the company and when they were all gathered he stood before them. Travis drew his saber and scribed a line in the sand in front of his boots. He said that Santa Ana will come this far and no farther because I intend to fight him here. Anyone who wishes to fight him beside me is welcome to do so. Anyone who wants to leave may leave. Most of them stayed and died for freedom. That's the way they told it when I lived down that way.

Posted by: SurferDoc at January 19, 2013 11:41 AM (6H6FZ)

283 Buffalo is supposed to be very healthy and a great source of B vites and omegas. I suck at cooking meat so I haven't tried it.

Posted by: SFGoth at January 19, 2013 11:42 AM (E7Dhv)

284 This 'Jason Statham Action Movie' also has Wesley Snipes

it's almost too action-y

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 19, 2013 11:42 AM (8sCoq)

285 Sven, How old are you?

Please.

I like your style, just trying to gauge MY outrage.
I see myself as a bitter old man, or in the camps.

46 now.

Posted by: nip at January 19, 2013 11:43 AM (11Tdq)

286 We have buffalo in our local store but not ostrich which is a shame b/c youre right, its good. Emu is even better imho.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 19, 2013 10:17 AM (5H6zj)

Emo is kinda tasty, but you have to grind the tattoos off with a belt sander first.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 19, 2013 11:43 AM (673KB)

287 So water, by definition is inorganic.

So, putting several posts together, organic water is water with pig shit? I learn a lot here.

Posted by: t-bird at January 19, 2013 11:44 AM (FcR7P)

288 >Buffalo is supposed to be very healthy and a great source of B vites and omegas. I suck at cooking meat so I haven't tried it.


Posted by: SFGoth at January 19, 2013 11:42 AM (E7Dhv)

Bison is delicious- but not cheap. Try a buffalo burger or a ribeye. And by law it must be grass fed and additive free

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 19, 2013 11:44 AM (8sCoq)

289 I'm still trying to figure out how cow meat derived from grass versus corn differs in chemical composition. I appreciate that there will be differences in marbling, but what is supposed to be chemically different about the meat?

Posted by: Y-not at January 19, 2013 11:44 AM (5H6zj)

290 286

Emo is kinda tasty, but you have to grind the tattoos off with a belt sander first.


Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon

Emo is just pathetic. I'd rather eat shoe gaze. ;->

Posted by: SFGoth at January 19, 2013 11:45 AM (E7Dhv)

291 Emo is kinda tasty, but you have to grind the tattoos off with a belt sander first.
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LOL!

Posted by: Y-not at January 19, 2013 11:45 AM (5H6zj)

292 I tried eating food that was inorganic once. Kinda sucked. Mostly rocks, metal shavings, and crunched up bits of old electronics. I prefer my food organic.

Posted by: mugiwara at January 19, 2013 11:45 AM (hpYnL)

293 289-It's elementary.

Posted by: nip at January 19, 2013 11:46 AM (11Tdq)

294 And remember these are the same people that make fun of you for believing in a "magical sky being".

Posted by: The Mega Independent at January 19, 2013 11:46 AM (46pA5)

295 289
I'm still trying to figure out how cow meat derived from grass versus
corn differs in chemical composition. I appreciate that there will be
differences in marbling, but what is supposed to be chemically different
about the meat?

Posted by: Y-not

You are what you eat. Cows didn't evolve to eat corn but to eat grass. As I understand it, grass is easier to digest as well as contains considerably more nutrients.

Posted by: SFGoth at January 19, 2013 11:46 AM (E7Dhv)

296 As I posted as an idea to Billy Bob.

Humans have worked so hard at eliminating the usual suspects in killing people via better hygiene and inoculations that we are now seeing the more obscure issues buried in our DNA come to the front.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 19, 2013 11:46 AM (QLuGB)

297 285 Nip,

I'm 40. I grew up poor and wife and I worked our way to the middle middle class. Giggles enrages me because he keeps throwing sugar in the gas tank.

Been on my to one degree or another since I was 15.

Sorry I am ranty but the working poor grasp Obama getting back in is bad, they are seeing their CHIP allowances go down for their kids.

Not everyone is entitled to the best lifestyle on the planet but by Jesus the baseline to be paid for breathing is too damn high right now.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 19, 2013 11:46 AM (LRFds)

298 Organic water is right up there with phone psychics and pet rocks

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 19, 2013 11:46 AM (8sCoq)

299 Buying "local" is another sham.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at January 19, 2013 11:47 AM (46pA5)

300 Whole Foods and all the smug assholes who work and shop there hit hardest.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 19, 2013 11:47 AM (KBNJU)

301 Ann Coulter ‏@AnnCoulter

One more thing about my favorite new movie, Gangster Squad: Sean Penn dies at the end. YOU'LL BE DANCING IN THE AISLES!

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 19, 2013 11:48 AM (8sCoq)

302
I tried eating food that was inorganic once. Kinda sucked. Mostly rocks, metal shavings, and crunched up bits of old electronics. I prefer my food organic

Me too. With exceptions for salt and water, which are tasty and nutritious in the right amounts.

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 19, 2013 11:48 AM (1hke+)

303 296 Ms Puma,

Yes we are, and in a fit of genius we as a planet are simultaneously reducing morality as we have more people who natural selection would have retired surviving.

It is a phenomenal intellectual laboratory possibly, BUT nature has a tendency of restoring balance all on her own without Al Gore's "help."

Something *is* going to give I suspect and it will likely be an epidemic.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 19, 2013 11:48 AM (LRFds)

304 You are what you eat. Cows didn't evolve to eat corn but to eat grass. As I understand it, grass is easier to digest as well as contains considerably more nutrients.
-----

Muscle is muscle. It has a specific structure and chemical composition. Fat is fat. Once the food is converted into muscle and fat, it really doesn't matter what the food was.

So the distribution of fat/muscle may be different which affects the quality of the meat, but in terms of there being a difference to the animal eating that meat - in terms of "allergens" or "contaminants" or whatever it is these folks think they're detecting - I don't see the basis for that claim.

Posted by: Y-not at January 19, 2013 11:49 AM (5H6zj)

305 You are what you eat. Cows didn't evolve to eat corn but to eat grass. As I understand it, grass is easier to digest as well as contains considerably more nutrients.
Posted by: SFGoth at January 19, 2013 11:46 AM (E7Dhv)
Corn is grass, IIRC. Wheat, barley, and rye certainly are.

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 19, 2013 11:49 AM (1hke+)

306 And having come from New Orleans, AKA Satan's Filthy, Humid Ballsack,

I believe Ray Nagin insists you refer to his fine city as Satan's Filthy, Humid Chocolate Ballsack.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows where thou concealest thy ţr0n at January 19, 2013 11:50 AM (Lxw+T)

307 288 Jones in CO,

which is another artificial competition inhibitor put in place by one interest group leveraging another.

I love Bison, I don't quite love the price tag the cattle biz and granola munchers have made necessary.

There're lots of ways to skin the protien cat....

moreso for women and Elton John and the President.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 19, 2013 11:50 AM (LRFds)

308 294
And remember these are the same people that make fun of you for believing in a "magical sky being".

Posted by:

As a secular conservatarian who eats non-organic food, I will let both sides duke it out and then pillage their wimmens.

Posted by: SFGoth at January 19, 2013 11:50 AM (E7Dhv)

309 Totally OT but dig this priceless nugget of stupidity from Allahpundit, regarding Rand Paul striking back at Crispy Creeem:


"To repeat a point made recently, the lesson of nominating McCain and Romney is that the national Republican primary electorate is way bigger than the universe of grassroots conservatives. Christie could lose every last tea-party vote and conceivably still squeak through to some sort of Romney-esque victory over a divided conservative field. (Then again, if it were that easy, why didn’t Giuliani win in 2008?) But I still think he’d be better off hooking up with Bloomberg and running a serious third-party campaign. For better or worse, after all the betrayals of conservatives lately, that’s his brand now. If he had a few hundred million from Bloomy to jump-start him and some serious media buzz about being the first credible independent candidate since Perot, who knows what he could do?

With people like this on our side, it's no wonder we haven't lost elections by even wider margins. Tepid Air is Teh Stoopid.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 19, 2013 11:52 AM (XkWWK)

310
@sven,

I'm in Ontario, a bitwest of Hamilton. That's because it's where I make my money. If I could move anywhere up here, it would probably be near Calgary. Definitely Alberta, though.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 19, 2013 11:52 AM (JDIKC)

311 Setting up for gun rights rally at the state house right now. Back at my buds house picking up power cord.
Annnnd, outta here. Topeka Kansas.
Noon to four.
Get there.

Posted by: teej at January 19, 2013 11:52 AM (tWBKX)

312 Sven, remember those scientists in Holland who gene-tinkered Bird Flu to more easily pass to humans?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 19, 2013 11:52 AM (QLuGB)

313 It isn't scientific, but I have found I like grass fed beef, corn fed pork, and bug fed chicken the best.

Posted by: Invictus at January 19, 2013 11:52 AM (OQpzc)

314 304 Y-not,

Yup....if the meat has "x amount of marble" and the muscle has "x amount of density" it is Y grade of meat.

I learned a lot working in a kroger meat dept, I also learned that I enjoyed my nightmares of that charming saw blade grabbing a bone and kissing my hand so much I went back to cashiering and bagging.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 19, 2013 11:53 AM (LRFds)

315 The 40 Greatest Quotes From Winston Churchill.

http://www.rightwingnews.com/quotes/the-40-greatest-quotes-from-winston-churchill/

Well worth the read and inspiring

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 19, 2013 11:53 AM (9Bj8R)

316 Meant to say "it's A wonder" not "NO wonder."

Sheesh.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 19, 2013 11:53 AM (XkWWK)

317 Back when emu breeding pairs were $1500 a pair a lot of non-cattle people bought them. Can you say "Ponzi", boys and girls? Now they are actually roaming free in S. Texas because people turned them loose when the bottom went out of the market. I'll wait until TSHTF to deliberately eat one of the ugly bastards.

Posted by: Mr. Dave in SPI at January 19, 2013 11:54 AM (xiaOm)

318 i wonder how many of our mental health issues are from the water supply...

Lots of nifty hormones in there from women peeing out their birth control pills. I know there are studies proving that. Explains the glut of metrosexual males.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at January 19, 2013 11:54 AM (vJ+A4)

319 Well, there are some differences.....http://tinyurl.com/alk4p5u

Posted by: cthulhu at January 19, 2013 11:54 AM (kaalw)

320 297-Understood.

I think the biggest problem with my fantasy "Ace of Spadesvile" is the Airstrike.

No way these fuckers would leave us alone.

Posted by: nip at January 19, 2013 11:55 AM (11Tdq)

321 303...Something *is* going to give I suspect and it will likely be an epidemic.

An epidemic would be 'organic', sven...as in, only killing off us organisms and leaving all the lovely buildings.

Seriously, though, that is my biggest fear...a pandemic.
Because you know that the Government thralls would all get their immunizations first, and likely be the ones to survive.

Did you hear about that 'ebola-pox' that is missing from a Russian lab?
Yeah.
Some dickhead crossed ebolawith smallpox.

Posted by: wheatie at January 19, 2013 11:55 AM (fH4X9)

322 312 Ms Puma,

Yup, and people forget that "Rainbow Six" started out as something more than "an FPS set in Casinos."

Every Moron should probably read:

Crichton's State of Fear

Clancy's Rainbow Six

and Ing's Pulling Through

The majority of the ecological nutball left are relatively harmless doughheads who do not grasp economics and science.

There is however a militant minority who wack off to their only being Humanity measured in the millions.

Oddly they are not going to let "me" pick the "winners."

Posted by: sven10077 at January 19, 2013 11:55 AM (LRFds)

323 Bebes!!! I am so glad I was not drinking anything when you posted that. Because there was this image of TFG and Michelle. TFG saying , "Honey does this water taste funny?"

Brain bleach stat!!!!!

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 19, 2013 11:55 AM (QLuGB)

324 As a secular conservatarian who eats non-organic food, I will let both sides duke it out and then pillage their wimmens.
Posted by: SFGoth at January 19, 2013 11:50 AM (E7Dhv)
I thought you were the other kind of goth. Heilans!

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 19, 2013 11:56 AM (1hke+)

325 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 19, 2013 11:52 AM (XkWWK)

Oh good Lord, smite that dumbass. Smite him good.

Posted by: Mr. Dave in SPI at January 19, 2013 11:56 AM (xiaOm)

326
:::I believe Ray Nagin insists you refer to his fine city as Satan's Filthy, Humid Chocolate Ballsack:::

I believe Ray Nagin is going to get well acquainted with his cellmate's chocolate ballsack in prison. So fuck what he prefers.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 19, 2013 11:56 AM (JDIKC)

327 And remember these are the same people that make fun of you for believing in a "magical sky being".

Seems to me faith is on the rise. The nation voted for Santa Claus last November.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows where thou concealest thy ţr0n at January 19, 2013 11:56 AM (Lxw+T)

328 So, when did you move to Canada, eh?

Posted by: Billy Bob, Pseudo Intellectual at January 19, 2013 10:43 AM (wR+pz):::



Summer of 2010. It is still strange to think of myself as a foreigner occasionally, but for the most part, it's easy to forget.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 19, 2013 10:46 AM (JDIKC)

You must be in Ontari-fucking-ario. Out here in Alberta, we have privatized the liquor stores. You can even get (gasp!) cold beer.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 19, 2013 11:56 AM (673KB)

329 Wasn't the problem with ostrich and emu that the price/lb was so high? I can remember when gator enjoyed a run with the foodies. Fads.

Posted by: Invictus at January 19, 2013 11:57 AM (OQpzc)

330 I'm having a gentlemen's night in next month with a few friends: finely-dressed gents, good wine and scotch, cigars for those who imbibe, and BBQ'd meat. Add in conversation, poker, good music, and yeah! These friends tend towards the small-c conservative side, except one guy who's more of a big-C conservative, so the dynamic is different than when all our libby ladyfriends (and girlfriends for those who have them) are present. You know, like we can speak our minds on politics for a change.

Posted by: SFGoth at January 19, 2013 11:58 AM (E7Dhv)

331 296

This position has always seemed reasonable to me, because medical technology is continually improving its capabilities and it is obvious that many that currently (and even thrive) survive only due to such new capabilities but could not survive in a world that does not have such capablities.


Given the ability of virii to mutate faster than anyone can devise an anti-viral protection, my bet is on the virii, not the aggregate "us".

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB (for the Children, of course) at January 19, 2013 11:58 AM (Cnqmv)

332 321 Wheatie,

Yup...there it is.

I rather enjoy people who feel the world is safer or we should just trash the defense budget.

Evil seldom sleeps, and if we cut our defense budget it would probably be a good idea to take at least 1/3d the "savings" and pump up our intel and prep for disaster readiness.

Earth is a harsh mother if we must anthropomorphize her, and her mood swings can be as mile as a gentle spank or wipe the whole skillet clean in a day.

Cherish every moment.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 19, 2013 11:58 AM (LRFds)

333
Screw a boatload of 'organic' food.

I grow a large garden every year and I try to use chemicals to improve the production any way I can. Manually pulling weeds sucks ass but this year I have it dicked because I'm going to use mulch to cover every square inch of ground along with an irrigation system to water everything I plant. RapidGro and Peters will see a heavy rotation as I try to get the most out of the soil and plants in it.

No more weeding, heat can't kill off my plants like it does yearly means higher yeilds and a longer growing season.

Organic farming my aching ass, "A better way of life through chemicals" has always been my motto!

Posted by: Gmac - Waiting for the revolution at January 19, 2013 11:58 AM (IanLz)

334 Drudge is now saying all hostages dead.

*golf clap*

Way to go...

Posted by: EC at January 19, 2013 11:58 AM (doBIb)

335 J.J. Sefton: He talks right out of his ass like that way too much to be any kind of conservative.

Posted by: SurferDoc at January 19, 2013 11:59 AM (6H6FZ)

336 IIRC Sven. In 'Pulling Through' and its expanded version 'The Chernobyl Syndrome' Ing mainly mentioned cities as being centers of infection that should be abandoned before it all blows up.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 19, 2013 11:59 AM (QLuGB)

337 328 Alberta Oil Peon,

Heh Alberta would join the US if she were sane the minute Quebec ever left Canada....

it's be funny.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 19, 2013 11:59 AM (LRFds)

338
Whole Foods aka Whole Paycheck

Posted by: YIKES! at January 19, 2013 11:59 AM (mETGQ)

339 I'll wait until TSHTF to deliberately eat one of the ugly bastards.
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We used to be able to get emu fillets online. It's been harder to find lately (maybe b/c of what you said). Comparing it to some of the other 'unusual' meats, I found it to be the best combination of flavor and texture (really tender despite no visible fat). I'm not usually a fillet person - give me a steak with some fat on it - but I really loved emu. It really is like an exceptionally good beef fillet.

Ppl might not realize that emu and ostrich steaks are "red meat" not like chicken.


BTW, I love AtC's emu in a box idea!


Has anyone had ostrich or emu egg? Some places advertise it, but we've never managed to hit them when they're in stock. I think they're supposed to be green.

Posted by: Y-not at January 19, 2013 11:59 AM (5H6zj)

340 324
As a secular conservatarian who eats non-organic food, I will let both sides duke it out and then pillage their wimmens.
Posted by: SFGoth at January 19, 2013 11:50 AM (E7Dhv)I thought you were the other kind of goth. Heilans!

Posted by: Grey Fox

I'm not sure what the other kind is. I'm a true goth: an individual who feels trampled on by government (and society in general). The rest, the ones who toe the liberal line, are faux goth.

Posted by: SFGoth at January 19, 2013 12:00 PM (E7Dhv)

341 289 I'm still trying to figure out how cow meat derived from grass versus corn differs in chemical composition

YNot, stuff I've seen claims grass fed beef has a different (supposedly healthier) ratio of omega 3 & 6 fatty acids

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at January 19, 2013 12:00 PM (vJ+A4)

342 334 Drudge is now saying all hostages dead.

Thank Gaia we have a Democrat preezy or this might be a cause for alarm in the media.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows where thou concealest thy ţr0n at January 19, 2013 12:01 PM (Lxw+T)

343 I will go to the local farmer markets and buy "organic" at times, not because it is organic but because I know it to be picked that day. That makes veggies better. The longer on the shelf, the less tasty (and nutritious).

So if you go to the supermarket and buy organic, it is just as old as the stuff that is not organic.

Posted by: Evil Blogger Lady at January 19, 2013 12:01 PM (XkmMw)

344 It's living that kills you. If you can just find a cure for that...

Posted by: Voluble at January 19, 2013 12:01 PM (qYvEa)

345 "Our world is besieged by chemicals that are harming
us every day. Eventually, we'll reach a tipping point and everyone else
will realize it, too.
"




Posted by: Travis at January 19, 2013 10:50 AM (9WkMB)

When you use that kind of rhetoric, yes, you do sound crazy. It's legitimate to be concerned about some types of chemical exposure, but your ranting about it in apocalyptic language certainly does peg out the needle on my BS detector.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 19, 2013 12:01 PM (673KB)

346 336 Anna Puma,

Yup. The cities can only exist economically if they are artificial economic centers in this internet age, have an industry that is dirty, or are defacto centers of government that draw in money from more productive regions.

Ing is also one of the people I drew my famous "36 miles" two word answer from.

Basically what is happening in the US is that urban areas are eying the more economcially viable suburban model with envy from hungry impoverished eyes and rage from control freak well off ones.

Nanny Bloomberg anyone?

Posted by: sven10077 at January 19, 2013 12:02 PM (LRFds)

347 I've never had the need to consume about 2 dozen chicken eggs in one sitting so the ostrich egg would be a total waste for me.

Posted by: no good deed at January 19, 2013 12:02 PM (mjR67)

348 Except for onions, mushrooms, and apples (granny smiths only), all my fruit and veggies are frozen. I've tried fresh and it rots too fast; I only cook for myself. I open cans for my cat.

Posted by: SFGoth at January 19, 2013 12:03 PM (E7Dhv)

349 342 George orwell,

Just thann God there are still enough "Americans" in the archaic sense of the word that they don't think they can have dear reader get on the telly and explain that "it would not have been right for us to try to save them."

That day is coming.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 19, 2013 12:03 PM (LRFds)

350 Buying "local" is another sham.

? Getting ripe, more recently picked produce is bad?

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at January 19, 2013 12:03 PM (vJ+A4)

351 Logically the higher up the food chain, the more concentrated pesticides are, so it may make more sense to buy grass-fed mammals than organic produce.

Posted by: votermom at January 19, 2013 12:03 PM (9C2h1)

352 Joe Biden pays extra for organic paste.


Posted by: Keith Arnold at January 19, 2013 12:04 PM (azwm2)

353 Something heard yesterday on the radio and the John Tesh show. Supposedly lots of Baby Boomers are giving up their houses in the suburbs and moving back to the city. Downsizing the house is one reason. Another is the cost of gas is making the commute expensive so they want to be able to walk to get their groceries. Huh.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 19, 2013 12:04 PM (QLuGB)

354 340 SFGoth,

do recall I said as "free market" man I have little book with people who choose the niche organic market, where I do find grief is the nanny Bloomberg instinct they have to enforce their preference cascade by law and regs.

Never intended it towards you.

I was the same sort of "goth."

I joined the army looking rather different than most of you likely imagine me.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 19, 2013 12:05 PM (LRFds)

355 Back when I lived in Singapore we were talking about the weirdest things we have ever eaten. I've had many non-traditional meals. A local girl, Hetty, quietly said, "I've eaten elephant trunk."

Mr. Dave: "Hetty, that's his goddamn nose"! You win.

Posted by: Mr. Dave in SPI at January 19, 2013 12:06 PM (xiaOm)

356 The beef they sell in ALL the markets (organic, walmart, whatever) hasn't been aged long enough (3 days on average); consequently it has little taste you haven't shaken onto it during the cooking process.

You want flavorful, tender beef? Hang that carcass 18-21 days. Once you've had properly aged beef, you will stop at every market you come to, go inside to the meat counter, and slap the shit out of every butcher they have.




Posted by: jwpaine (@PirateBallerina) at January 19, 2013 12:07 PM (VcDCJ)

357 353 Ms Puma,

Wishcasting, I will admit that there are many early boomers who expressed their desire when shopping for real estate in Myrtle beach to have foot mobile amenities available.

This economy is not robust or free enough to allow casually abandoning houses.

Whereas once upon a time it was a simple matter of a tax sale from failure to pay and you were "free" nowadays the banks, cities, and counties conspire to run up quite the tally on your credit rating should you truly abandon property.

If city living for its own sake was healthy, fun, and optimal detroit would not be reverting to farmland would it?

Posted by: sven10077 at January 19, 2013 12:07 PM (LRFds)

358 Is there such a thing as an organic surgically implanted Skin-Port?

Hollywood wants to know.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows where thou concealest thy ţr0n at January 19, 2013 12:08 PM (Lxw+T)

359 I'm not sure what the other kind is. I'm a true goth: an individual who feels trampled on by government (and society in general). The rest, the ones who toe the liberal line, are faux goth.I meant the Goths spoke an East German language, wore bright colors and all the gold-and-garnet jewelry they could, and were aggressive and capable warriors. Heilans means "howdy," in non-faux Gothic, as near as I remember.I had you down for the black-clothing-and-recreation-depression type "goth," but the line about pillaging wimmenz made me wonder.

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 19, 2013 12:08 PM (1hke+)

360 356 JWPAine,

They have no choice, I was lectured at length on the matter by a union master meat cutter at Kroger.

It is true, the first thing you learn if you work as a grill man at a chop house is they have rather strict aging rules.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 19, 2013 12:09 PM (LRFds)

361 332...Evil seldom sleeps, and if we cut our defense budget it would probably be a good idea to take at least 1/3d the "savings" and pump up our intel and prep for disaster readiness.

Oh, I think our government betters are probablyway ahead of us, sven.

In the week leading up to 12/21/12...there were a lot of 'prepping for doomsday' shows on the History channel.

Iwatched one of them, done by that 'Decoding' guy and his team...
They were interviewing a guy who had spent mega bucks on this underground complex that would house 80 people.
It was very high-tech.

The guy was bragging about how he had hired some of the same people who had "created the same fully contained, underground bunkers for the government".
Our tax dollars at work.

Posted by: wheatie at January 19, 2013 12:09 PM (fH4X9)

362 *recreational-depression*

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 19, 2013 12:10 PM (1hke+)

363
350 Buying "local" is another sham. ? Getting ripe, more recently picked produce is bad?
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at January 19, 2013 12:03 PM (vJ+A4)


I think they're talking about the "Local is better for the environment" claims. And also someone else mentioned that a lot of the "local" food seems to come from Florida with them not being in Florida. So really unless you're picking it off the tree yourself can you really be sure its actually local.

Posted by: buzzion at January 19, 2013 12:10 PM (GULKT)

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 19, 2013 12:10 PM (1hke+)

365 I had aged beef in Iowa. I tasted rotten. Did not like.

Anyone ever had beef tongue? I was bad mouthing it the other day, and my wife said it is supposed to be pretty darned tasty. I may give it a try if I can get over the creepy factor.

Posted by: Invictus at January 19, 2013 12:11 PM (OQpzc)

366 Whenever I think Emu, I think of the Hudson Brothers TV show. Kids show.

Had a puppet Emu that would crack me up as a kid.

The image sticks.

Then I think about being split down the middle by that claw they have.

Posted by: nip at January 19, 2013 12:11 PM (11Tdq)

367 Posted by: SFGoth at January 19, 2013 12:03 PM (E7Dhv)

A lot of those vegetables are frozen within hours of being picked. The quality in many cases is better than the supposedly fresh stuff in the supermarket.

Of course you are a fascist oppressor for buying frozen, although that may be a feature, not a bug.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 19, 2013 12:11 PM (GsoHv)

368 Wheatie, its not a new thing about the government surviving a nuclear war.

The Greenbriar - http://www.greenbrier.com/play-here/the-bunker.aspx

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 19, 2013 12:13 PM (QLuGB)

369 350 bebe's boobs destroy,

No overpaying is though.

Freshness is largely only an issue if you eat them raw, if being used in food prep the gain is there but hardly overpowering. Bebe I don't think anyone is supporting outlawing anything so far as "freshness local happy" but there are economies involved. Economies of scale are real, as is wholesale v retail price structure to ensure profit margin.

Can you buy local?

Yup and I do for Corn, watermelon, and apples because truth be told I rather enjoy driving by the local farms that cannot realistically compete with corp farms.

Often the main thing is that they hold back the highest quality yield to take advantage of the retail margin of profit room rather than take the wholesale "guaranteed money."

Nothing wrong with it I think we're just discussing the market dynamics vs nutritional vs the God help me "food safety" gain.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 19, 2013 12:13 PM (LRFds)

370 I had you down for the
black-clothing-and-recreation-depression type "goth," but the line about
pillaging wimmenz made me wonder.

Posted by: Grey Fox

Oh I certainly do black clothing, but it's not the bondage/cargo pants and t-shirts type. As some posters here are familiar with, I do a lot of historical dance/costuming. So when I do black, it's a frock coat and trousers, though the waistcoat will be jewel-toned or something. Depression? Nah. INTPs don't get depressed. Actually, I've just commissioned a 1730's Court (that's royal, not judicial) outfit in a beautiful burgundy taffeta with raised criss-crossing. I may avoid black altogether. When I win a grammy (and I plan on it), I'm going for a dark purple, late-Victorian suit with cream shirt and silver/black/purple striped cravat. Then I'm going out for the best steak I can find.

Posted by: SFGoth at January 19, 2013 12:14 PM (E7Dhv)

371 367 CBD,

Heh...nice.

Basically snap freezing is another modern miracle.

It is funny how they have criminalized everything about the free market in their rhetoric and yet bitch about it "not working" though isn't it?

Posted by: sven10077 at January 19, 2013 12:14 PM (LRFds)

372 If they lernt anything from Benghazi it's this:

Let the rebels kill the hostages,
Provide enough time to pass to let innocent bystanders to clear out,
Proceed to clean up at a parliamentary pace.

Any questions?

Posted by: sTevo at January 19, 2013 12:15 PM (VMcEw)

373 368 Wheatie, its not a new thing about the government surviving a nuclear war.

Oh, I know, Anna.
But these guys were referring to recent underground projects that they had completed for the government.

The Greenbriar is 'old tech'.

Posted by: wheatie at January 19, 2013 12:16 PM (fH4X9)

374 @sven10077: True; I was using "slapping the butcher" as shorthand, but it's the helpful hand of government (as usual) that makes storebought beef taste like cardboard.

@Invictus: properly aged beef does have a stronger beef flavor, but if it tasted rotten, it very likely was rotten (takes some skill to age meat; you can't just hang a dead mammal in your closet for a couple of weeks).

Posted by: jwpaine (@PirateBallerina) at January 19, 2013 12:16 PM (VcDCJ)

375 370 SFGoth,

I was pale from lack of sun exposure due to school and working, I was dark around the eyes because I drank too much and pills.

I wore black sweats, a colored shirt, and black overshirt most often with shorn on the sides and back long hair dyed black because well embarassing to admit but....I loved belushi's Samurai Deli routine.....

wore sunglasses a dog chain necklace with a small padlock and tried to do right by mine and be honorable to those I was indebted to.

Why be normal?

Posted by: sven10077 at January 19, 2013 12:17 PM (LRFds)

376 Muscle is muscle. It has a specific structure and
chemical composition. Fat is fat. Once the food is converted into muscle
and fat, it really doesn't matter what the food was.



So the distribution of fat/muscle may be different which affects the
quality of the meat, but in terms of there being a difference to the
animal eating that meat - in terms of "allergens" or "contaminants" or
whatever it is these folks think they're detecting - I don't see the
basis for that claim.

Posted by: Y-not at January 19, 2013 11:49 AM (5H6zj)

It's really quite simple. Cattle are grazing animals. Grass is what they eat, along with some other small plants (and some plants they avoid). Most beef cattle start out on grass, or hay, which is "preserved" grass, but they are usually "finished", i.e. fattened up, on corn or grain. It adds mostly fat to their mass, and not much muscle. Here in Canada, we mostly finish our cattle on barley, although corn is starting to see some use. Cattle "finished" on grass give you much leaner meat, which is sought after by many buyers, and more expensive, because you get less meat per carcass.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 19, 2013 12:19 PM (673KB)

377 374 JWPAine,

Yup....they do indeed "help" a lot and yet they also demand things be done better when it is THEIR use involved.

I'll never forget being told by an Army cook that finally got tired of my needling on the quality of his meat....

"I'll make you a lunch like the general gets."

The gentleman was in fact a fine cook, it was adherence to federal guidelines that hampered his craft.

Our filet mignon was boiled, the General aged and lovingly cooked over a nice cooking surface.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 19, 2013 12:19 PM (LRFds)

378 sTevo. uh hmm, We have learned no matter country of origin everyone is expendable unless your body can be pranced around for photo ops and propaganda usage. But your death must be good for messaging otherwise an unmarked soul except for family members.

Posted by: ette at January 19, 2013 12:20 PM (nqBYe)

379 sorry, that sounds slightly bitter.

Posted by: ette at January 19, 2013 12:21 PM (nqBYe)

380 365 Invictus,

Tongue retains the pickling agent or marinades rather well, and the nature of the membrane impacts the dispersal of the taste agents in play rather equally.

They are after all amazing pieces of biological engineering.

Before the '20s they were considered a prize delicacy and used and marketed in most rural areas in a manner similar to modern usage of pemmican and beef jerky.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 19, 2013 12:22 PM (LRFds)

381 ette there is no reason not to be bitter.

The beautiful people consider the dutiful people to be a resource rather like chickens or dogs.

If they could figure out a way to lobotomize us they would...though I must admit pop culture is doing a rather able job it seems.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 19, 2013 12:23 PM (LRFds)

382 If they could figure out a way to lobotomize us they
would...though I must admit pop culture is doing a rather able job it
seems.


Posted by: sven10077 at January 19, 2013 12:23 PM (LRFds)

a lobotomy doesn't sound as harsh as it once did.

Posted by: ette at January 19, 2013 12:25 PM (nqBYe)

383 new post up.

Posted by: ette at January 19, 2013 12:25 PM (nqBYe)

384 361 Wheatie,

Yeah...Mt Weather for example.

The fact is spending mega bucks on prep is extreme and likely unnecessary, making your spread as minimally reliant on our fragile super economy as possible, and being mentally prepared for adversity is an absolute requirement though.

Chairman Soetoro may "carez about me mo'..." to hear the American Voter tell it but I assure you in the event of an ELE they would not rely on reccycling his "copious tears' for a water source, and he would be eating wugu beef watching "Homeland."

That is why I bristle at his notion that he is entitled to play with an ever increasing portion of our economy's goods and service's IOUs to sling around.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 19, 2013 12:27 PM (LRFds)

385 @sven1007:

Yeah, my dad was a cook in the Navy; he told me the military tends to get the finest foodstuffs available, but the preparation and cooking of it for several hundred people at one sitting most often resulted in something less than haute cuisine.

We raised a steer a year for a while, then butchered it and split the meat with some friends of ours (who would raise a couple of hogs, butcher them, and give us one). The butcher we used for our beef made us sign a waiver to age the beef beyond 14 days, and the packages we got were all clearly stamped "Not for Resale." Man, that was good beef.

Posted by: jwpaine (@PirateBallerina) at January 19, 2013 12:28 PM (VcDCJ)

386 YNot, stuff I've seen claims grass fed beef has a different (supposedly healthier) ratio of omega 3 & 6 fatty acids
----
That makes sense. So it's a better fat composition, but it's not that the corn-fed meat is bad for you or unhealthy or something.

I wonder where the pesticides are supposedly stored in cattle that manifests itself in the meat people eat? I would think it'd wind up in the liver, not the muscle.

Posted by: Y-not at January 19, 2013 12:30 PM (5H6zj)

387 Invictus,


When I lived in Japan, I ate beef tongue yakiniku on a fairly regular basis.

It was delicious.

But, I also think it was very fresh as that's a big deal in Japan.


Tongue and the organ meats here in the states and especially at your local Kroger are probably a once in a while after-thought. so who knows how fresh or how long it's been sitting there.

If you can get it (relatively) fresh and cooked properly it's yummy stuff.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 19, 2013 12:30 PM (G9qZk)

388 Posted by: sven10077 at January 19, 2013 12:02 PM (LRFds)


Cities are based on a system structure based on the inverted pyramid. Keeping the system functional is a delicate balancing act, and it doesn't take much of a perturbation to disrupt the set of interlocking and interdependent mechanisms that are required.

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB (for the Children, of course) at January 19, 2013 12:33 PM (Cnqmv)

389 but it's not that the corn-fed meat is bad for you or unhealthy or something.

Well, supposedly too much omega 6 is bad for you, and we're getting way too much omega 6. I don't remember what the other sources of too much 6 were though.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at January 19, 2013 12:34 PM (wBA3I)

390 309 JJ Sefton,

JJ AllahPundit is rather like say Bukharin versus Stalin and Trotsky.

That is to say we have Van Jones, Obama, AP.

Part of the reason i think a divorce or a diaspora is inevitable is that the portion of the nation that is in fact conservative is being dragged against its will to collectivization it will find a dealbreaker.

"No" means no and in the 21st century people are supposed to be able to create new nations if need be or are we hypocrits when it comes to Bosnia, Serbia, what the left wanted for Iraq etc etc etc?

Posted by: sven10077 at January 19, 2013 12:35 PM (LRFds)

391 388 Hrothgar,

absolutely and they are perversely the part of the system most reliant on a genuine free market to keep people employed and their tax base humming happily along and the ones who loathe it the most.

The EPA is responsible for more slums than any Disney villain.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 19, 2013 12:36 PM (LRFds)

392 Try telling this to anyone with hypersensitive allergies. My wife doesn't need a scientist to tell her that non-organics are less safe. The bright red rashes do a good enough job.

Posted by: SmokyBourbon at January 19, 2013 12:37 PM (2i6Vi)

393 385 JWPaine,

People are not aware of how much luxury even our "poor" live in frankly. Obama has more power than Augustus in many ways, and can in tantrum destroy millions if not billions rather than mere tens of thousands. We are allowed to know next to nothing of his past.

People are not afraid of this....that scares the shit out of me.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 19, 2013 12:39 PM (LRFds)

394 Well, supposedly too much omega 6 is bad for you, and we're getting way too much omega 6. I don't remember what the other sources of too much 6 were though.

---

People are eating more red meat these days than they were able to back in the day. So much of this stuff has to do with portion-control and moderation. There's a grain of truth to these things, but it gets blown out of proportion


My pet peeve is salt. My dad, who has had heart problems and is overweight and has high cholesterol etc, is constantly nagging me (reminding me) about salt. And even the Mayo Clinic's guidelines for salt intake are nigh on impossible to meet - and I cook a lot from scratch and don't add salt. I've decided not to sweat it. My b.p. is low so there's no medical reason to worry about it.

I looked into the dietary guidelines a while back and a lot of them come from UN and other international sources like WHO iirc. So I suspect they are out of whack b/c they fold in diets from under developed countries.

Posted by: Y-not at January 19, 2013 12:40 PM (5H6zj)

395 392 SmokyBourbon,

Again, no one is saying "no organic" people are saying stop trying to legislate and peer pressure your preference cascades on me.

If our food supply was toxic I assure you we;d all be dying rather than "obese."

Posted by: sven10077 at January 19, 2013 12:40 PM (LRFds)

396 If you are for organic foods then you are also for Famine.

The Stupid is weapons grade with libtards.

Posted by: LGoPs at January 19, 2013 12:40 PM (k2wn2)

397 394 Y-not,

Quite true. Your post made me recall the esteemed and noted Farmer Meryl Streep's passion play before Congress on Alar in our apple system. "What are we doing to our children?" she wailed in an Oscar worthy performance.

Why to elicit this kind of impassioned response there must be an arsenic chain or mercury spike in our orchards through some error or dark corporate plot yes?

No it was a pesticide that *is* in fact shown to cause carcinogenic risks in laboratory tests and does put our food chain at risk.....

if they imbibe about the equivalent of 300 gallons of apple cider in raw form a day.......for three weeks.

Forgive me, and not diminishing the work of a charming thespian agrarian I suppose but if I am giving 10077 jr that much cider i suspect he will be having other issues.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 19, 2013 12:44 PM (LRFds)

398 Again, no one is saying "no organic" people are saying stop trying to legislate and peer pressure your preference cascades on me.
-------

^This.

I will say tho that I think in many cases these personal experiences things are not attributed to what people think they're attributed to.

I remember some time back someone delved into those fancy toothpaste efficacy claims and found that the fancier toothpaste users had cleaner teeth... but it was because they brushed longer.

In other words, if you are attentive to your diet, you may be making many changes aside from simply going with 'organic' foods. You may be eating out less, eating smaller portions, cooking from scratch etc etc. Those may be contributing factors in the health benefits.

That's why I always want to know what is the underlying molecular basis for a supposed health benefit or bad reaction to foods.

Posted by: Y-not at January 19, 2013 12:44 PM (5H6zj)

399 Well, it's been real but I gotta go discover the health benefits of vacuuming (which is pretty much my least favorite chore).

Enjoy your food, whatever it is you choose to eat!

:-)

Posted by: Y-not at January 19, 2013 12:47 PM (5H6zj)

400 "Support Famine. Buy Organic"

Heh.

Posted by: LGoPs at January 19, 2013 12:52 PM (k2wn2)

401 400 LGOPS,

That is a conservative bumper sticker in waiting.

"Create hunger, buy ethanol!"

Posted by: sven10077 at January 19, 2013 12:55 PM (LRFds)

402 The only thing I buy which is organic is milk. Organic Valley, 2% Lactose-free.

I needed lactose-free milk and that Lactaid stuff was awful. At the time, the organics were the only other brands with lactose-free 2%, so I picked it up.

It is delicious.

I know the sweetness is attributable to the lactose-free part of it, but the extended shelf-life is a draw as well.

Yes, it is more expensive, but I consider it worth it.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at January 19, 2013 01:00 PM (piMMO)

403 Posted by: sven10077 at January 19, 2013 12:55 PM (LRFds)

Yes, my friend.

Heh, again.

Posted by: LGoPs at January 19, 2013 01:00 PM (k2wn2)

404 225 hrothgar,

That's right Farming evolved as part of a plot by Dow Chemical and a mutant scientist named Biff to destroy mankind.

There is no real gain it is a confidence trick.

Whew......

note to self send e-mail to Hrothgar asking if he sees a business model to gain by certain sectors magic thinking on economics....

Heh nice post hrothgar.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 19, 2013 01:01 PM (LRFds)

405 Thanks sven and natualfake.

I may try some tongue. My wife is one of those people who always want to something new.

Posted by: Invictus at January 19, 2013 01:02 PM (OQpzc)

406 One could also say that as they cover the non-organic in chemicals do they get the same results without them on organic. It is not what is there but what is missing.

Posted by: Trevor (@tjexcite) at January 19, 2013 01:03 PM (Ea64Y)

407
I got news for the "organic or nothing" jack wipes ---

We're all gonna die.

You'll just die unhappier than the rest of us.

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at January 19, 2013 01:15 PM (J/S+8)

408 406 Trevor,

Certainly Trevor but I wonder if you understand the notion of utility cost?

I'm not talking down to you sincerely.

You have X mount of arable land, x amount of potential water for agri use, x amount of acceptably yield per acre, x amount of maintaining quality for harvest cost and on and on.

Yes there is a price to be paid in utilizing chemicals for maintaining quality(ie pest control and nutrification) but there is also gain in yield per acre, reduction of manpower, hardiness of crop vs elements etc etc.

If the conundrum facing us was "it must be one or the other in usage of land" I would be more amenable to your arguments that "it is also what we add versus what we lose' with regards to pesticides and chemicals.

That is not what is in play here, we have the liberal version of Tardasil going on, and I am NOT accusing all of you have a preference for organic of being nuts.

I am saying overhyping the "dangers of frankenfood" and such artificially harms the ability to feed the maximum number of people as cheaply as possible when the hysteria uses regulatory fiat and law with bad data influencing the demand matrix when low information individuals analyze and compute utility cost for foodstuffs selection.

You gain some utility and ease of mind from the presence of "chemicals", and I will grant for the sake of argument that my use of "frankenfoods" has a real health cost.

So long as I do not legislate away your ability to have organic, so long as I do not hide data on the production methods and handling as a citizen I should be able to analyze and decide what the optimal intersection of maximum utility and cost i will bear to meet my nutritional needs.

If by eating "frankenfoods" I free up a higher portion of my income for say skills training, entertaining contacts, etc etc I have made the choice I will bear what risks I must to navigate this mortal coil in my food intake.

I think we cannot legislate a free lunch for the "maximum utlity" of pure organic with NO costs, and the altered yield, and manpower ARE costs.

I happen to like free markets regulated as minimally as is needed for genuine safety for the population at large.

"safety" meaning "will not kill high %s of users and all data is available" rather than "let Mikey Bloomberg plan your dinner for 72 years."

No offense or evil intent meant to be imputed to you.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 19, 2013 01:20 PM (LRFds)

409 407 Kreb v Carnot,

Yup...this is nanny statism at its worst...people using political power to enforce and micromanage preference cascades through hysteria and maluse of "facts."


I am going to die, and judging by the bitching the politicians are gpoing on about WRT health costs and ponzi schemes pretending to be annuities I am thinking "frankenfoods" are not killing us fast enough.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 19, 2013 01:22 PM (LRFds)

410 You gain some utility and ease of mind from the presence of "chemicals",
and I will grant for the sake of argument that my use of "frankenfoods"
has a real health cost.


was meant to read

You gain some utility and ease of mind from the ABSENCE of "chemicals",
and I will grant for the sake of argument that my use of "frankenfoods"
has a real health cost.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 19, 2013 01:23 PM (LRFds)

411 Let's not forget the health benefit and humanity of eating free range chicken eggs. The reason they are so much more costly is, they contain additional nutrients. (undigested grains the horses pass through their system).

Posted by: Bufalobob at January 19, 2013 01:26 PM (x+7qA)

412 more costly, using more land, and so on is definitely part of the plan of "sustainability", as is selling dupes through fear on the "need" to do it.

How else will we reach the "optimal carrying capacity" of the environment?

Organic food hysteria is how they're going to cull a lot of the current useful idiots.

Posted by: barbarausa at January 19, 2013 01:50 PM (WWeoI)

413 20
You know what else is organic? Dogshit and nuclear waste.

In
fact, everything on this planet is organic. The only things I wouldn't
call organic would be the meteorites that have fallen here from space.



Posted by: EC at January 19, 2013 10:07 AM (doBIb)

I like to piss off hippie eco-douchers by pointing out that crude oil comes directly from mother earth, chock full of organic goodness.

Posted by: model_1066 at January 19, 2013 01:51 PM (7xPCu)

414 412 barbarausa,

I agree....they will be starving best case for us the third world, worst case for us us....

I don't want anyone to starve, I want to fight to sustain as many as safely possible if need be.

The 3d world hating us is justified they understand we want them dead if they can reason, and i am not the asshole who thinks a 35 year old graduate economist in Kenya is a child who can be conned.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 19, 2013 01:59 PM (LRFds)

415 Before the advent of engineered foods people had an average life expectancy of about 47 years old. Now thanks to the miracle of food science the average life expectancy is about 78 years.

Do people honestly believe we spend billions of dollars developing pesticides, herbicides, preservatives and manufacturing processes just to make life worse for people? Liberal hippies are going to get us all killed with their emotional arguments.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at January 19, 2013 02:20 PM (SkyIE)

416 I know the sweetness is attributable to the lactose-free part of it, but the extended shelf-life is a draw as well.
------

I am ever-so-slightly lactose-intolerant so I get lactose-free milk when possible. Our store carries several brands, so I don't have to pay through the nose for Lactaid.

The increased shelf-life is so terrific that even if I didn't have a lactose sensitivity I would get lactose-free. There's just two of us and now I can get a half-gallon of milk and not have it go off before I finish the damned carton.

Posted by: Y-not at January 19, 2013 02:45 PM (5H6zj)

417 It's time conservatives understood how stupid the American public and used that to our advantage.

I want to puke everytime I hear about how we need an "adult" conversation about certain topics. No, we don't, unfortunately we're not a nation of adults, at least not the ones that decide our elections.

Romney should have played Obama like Trump did, like a carnie barker. I would have made Obama's academic transcripts the centerpiece of the campaign. The ObamaPhones should have been front and center instead of MediCare.

I'd love to live in a different nation that had intelligent voters, but we don't.

Posted by: Jeepers at January 19, 2013 03:07 PM (XDRsa)

418 45 My pet peeve is that physicists and apparently engineers dont have to take O chem. only chemists and us "dumb" biologists.
Posted by: Y-not on the phone at January 19, 2013 10:15 AM (5H6zj)

~~~~~

I always make a point to my organic chemistry students, most of which are biology majors, that without organic chemistry you'd have no biology.
I also tell them that if I hear the words "carbon footprint" anywhere but in the phrase, "I love my big, big, big carbon footprint and wish to make it bigger!", they'd be flunked hands down.

Posted by: The Man from Athens at January 19, 2013 03:24 PM (RXQ2T)

419 I absolutely loathe and detest my impersonators. You vile right-wing trolls are motivated solely by a racist hate of anyone who supports our wise multicultural President. I am no better than a black person to you because I love Barack Obama and his message with all my heart.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, Vermont at January 19, 2013 03:51 PM (G6U3l)

420 Not that it matters(much to anyone but me)(being after the fact)- i suppose i just expected better from y'all. You know- a little more forethought and research. Less bandwagon.

A few yrs ago- my husband and i-3rd gen farmers(@ least, who knows what the tree before us was all about) decided to transition over to organic since the $$$$ was better- and steady/stable. Not going w/out saying- the costs are for sure more, too. Our main reasoning was not having to be @the mercy of the conventional market anymore- which is a scam for the farmer- where a paycheck can vary every two weeks by hundreds of dollars- and thousands if a farm is really large.

It's a shift in mindset, but it's a lot different than conventional, let me tell you. No more hormones to clean out cows, to make them come into heat(you all know about the ~heat~ part, right?)no antibiotics to settle a small cough- or a runny eye or any infection- unless we wish to forfeit the future genetics- as we have to sell treated animals... it's way more than a load of bullshit, but really- i don't much care anymore what people think.

Pesticides, herbicides, antibiotics, etc are not bad- but, IMhumbleO, they are rarely used the way they are meant to on a farm- by which i mean- overkill is natural. There are so many management practices that can be improved upon besides ~raping and reaping~ to the greatest yield- which can be detrimental to the health of our land-this monoculture mentality-...

I'm way happier w/our milk being organic and since Bernie-freaking-Socialist- Sanders hasn't helped the VT farmer survive(we have so few farms, the other kids call my kids weirdos for living on a farm)becoming an organic farmer was it- other than some low income job- both folks working, etc etc...

I'm proud to be a ~f**king Republican~, as a local crotchety carpenter building our small heifer barn recently called me. "Didn't your Father teach you better than that?!" "Sure- where do you think i learned it from?" "Whaa... he's a f**king Republican, too?"

One last thing- i didn't read through the entire thread- surprised the grousing went on for so long over organic farming... but, the comment #419 in no way speaks for me, as a VTer. Bratt is a long way from the Kingdom- that's all i have to say.

ps drink milk- it does a body good- and as the Co-op garners our pycks for both national and local advertisement- it's all good(but, ours is better:0)).

Posted by: karen at January 20, 2013 07:45 PM (RaQcn)

421 So avoiding chemicals is bad?

Tell that to my 2 ulcers, chronic IBS and severe acid reflux, all of which are at least 75% better since I went natural. I've gradually weaned myself off of almost all my meds and just control the gastro ills through diet now.

It's sure as hell not all in my head.

Posted by: BlueStateRepub at January 21, 2013 09:56 AM (7ObY1)






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The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon
A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates
Margaret Cho: Just Not Funny
More Margaret Cho Abuse
Margaret Cho: Still Not Funny
Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
Wonkette Announces "Morning Zoo" Format
John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
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