Overnight Open Thread (12 Jan 2012)

Ugh, under the weather still. Apologies up front for an abbreviated ONT but I'm sure the horde will somehow manage.

Dieting

Having trouble keeping your New Year's Eve diet resolution? Well, it seems technology just might have something for ya although it's from the guy that brought you the Segway. The AspireAssist: The Digusting Weight-Loss Tool That Pumps Food From Your Stomach. Yuck. I think just having smaller portions on your plate will work better.

Free Fallin'

Ever wonder what would happen if you got sucked out of a commercial airliner at altitude? Well if you did, You Pretty Much Die. Horribly.
h/t Genghis

Nic Cage Quotes


h/t Kratos

Strange Job Titles

From MILF Commander to pron historian, Meet The Men And Women With Weirdest Job Titles.

Speaking of jobs, in Britain, they actually pay someone To Test Out Waterpark Slides. Pretty good pay just go down waterslides.

Bone-Crunching Movie Knockouts

Top 15 Classic Bone-Crunching Movie Knockouts.

Kitteh Video

Y'all are all on your own on this one. I couldn't find shit and frankly, I don't feel like it. So there.

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Comments

1 I have one of those stomach pump thingies. It supplies fuel for my Suburban.

Posted by: Rosie O'Donnell at January 12, 2013 09:57 PM (KlVhz)

2 Annnnddddd....HERE! Fresh glass of scootch in hand, and not a moment too soon.

That's right, SCOOTCH.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 12, 2013 09:58 PM (4Mv1T)

3 Gun tanlines on this thread, hot cheerleader on the previous.

That's why browser tabs were invented, folks!

Posted by: kbdabear at January 12, 2013 09:58 PM (wwsoB)

4 Not the bees!

Posted by: Splunge at January 12, 2013 09:58 PM (2IW5Q)

5 Oh, and nice tan line.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 12, 2013 09:58 PM (4Mv1T)

6 Kitteh gif is funny, especially since my kittehs behave like that

Posted by: kbdabear at January 12, 2013 09:58 PM (wwsoB)

7 Let's bring that tan-line against the Patriots tomorrow. . .

[sorry, Peaches]

Posted by: boulder hobo, who has to fall back on the Texans now at January 12, 2013 09:59 PM (QTHTd)

8 That's right, SCOOTCH.


With a plate of grits and some shrimp, you'd have the All-American meal or something.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 12, 2013 09:59 PM (KlVhz)

9 Good Evening Moronettes and Morons

This must be an Ace approved ONT since he has a thing for chicks with tan lines.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at January 12, 2013 09:59 PM (OWjjx)

10 I've been sucked off at high altitude in an airliner and it wasn't too bad at all.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at January 12, 2013 10:00 PM (KlVhz)

11 I've been sucked off at high altitude in an airliner and it wasn't too bad at all.
Posted by: Bill Clinton at January 12, 2013 10:00 PM (KlVhz)


Mr. President, no one wants to hear about you and Helen Thomas.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at January 12, 2013 10:01 PM (OWjjx)

12 Initial setbacks — and here's the really yucky part — have occurred
because the pump struggles to break up large foods," like cauliflower,
steak, pretzels, and Chinese food,


Large foods?

Posted by: Splunge at January 12, 2013 10:01 PM (2IW5Q)

13 boo yeah!







eleventy

Posted by: Jake in ID at January 12, 2013 10:02 PM (jfSqj)

14 Is bunghole reamer one of the jobs? As I kid, I had no idea it was an actual profession, I thought it was something made up like turd burglar or shitstabber.

Posted by: Steff McKee at January 12, 2013 10:02 PM (eMNOe)

15 I see on Drudge that the UK is making plans for the Falklands. Plans that don't involve surrender, thankfully.

I hope Chile helps us out on this. The Argie Bargies always did have a populist fascist streak. If they get those islands they'll be looking for the next convenient grievance.

Posted by: boulder hobo, who has to fall back on the Texans now at January 12, 2013 10:03 PM (QTHTd)

16 Tan lines....


http://tinyurl.com/dx9x9rp

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 12, 2013 10:03 PM (GEICT)

17 Obvious southpaw.

Posted by: Fox2! at January 12, 2013 10:03 PM (1Qpmy)

18 So today I filled my new water jugs for the coming dark ages, bought bullets, and a bottle of single malt scotch. The scotch makes the thoughts of the coming apocalypse easier to digest.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 12, 2013 10:03 PM (4Mv1T)

19 of the coming apocalypse easier to digest.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 12, 2013 10:03 PM (4Mv1T)


I plan on getting my hands on a trillion dollar coin.......

Posted by: Jake in ID at January 12, 2013 10:05 PM (jfSqj)

20 I see on Drudge that the UK is making plans for the Falklands. Plans that don't involve surrender, thankfully.


I say chap, handing it over to the Muslims seems prudent and cosmopolitan, even.

Posted by: Prince Charles, Prince of Feminine Hygiene Products and First Earl of Tampax at January 12, 2013 10:05 PM (KlVhz)

21 I determinedly hope that Comrade Chavez's health problems, which is very important for all the people, is better, so that he may resuminate his important work, that is the ruling of his many little people. As an important writer, my words may help.

Posted by: Sean Penn at January 12, 2013 10:06 PM (2IW5Q)

22 So the boobeh's in the playoff thread of the Texas lady's nice ass. hmmmmmm




I choose both!

Posted by: Moron #3 at January 12, 2013 10:06 PM (jfSqj)

23 no curry, no peace!
no curry, no peace!

Posted by: mallfly at January 12, 2013 10:07 PM (jDjlM)

24 14
Is bunghole reamer one of the jobs? As I kid, I had no idea it was an
actual profession, I thought it was something made up like turd burglar
or shitstabber.


Every bung has its bunghole.

Posted by: Francis Ford Coppola, Winemaker at January 12, 2013 10:07 PM (2IW5Q)

25 ...and what Jake said. Hell, in a few years we'll be able to print 'em at home.

Me to clerk at Staples in 2016. Yes, I'd like a toner cartridge of black for my Lexmark, and a cartridge of platinum for my HAL 9000 printer.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 12, 2013 10:07 PM (4Mv1T)

26 No Master of the Flying guillotine on top movie knock outs? Decapitation has to count as a knock out.

Posted by: Ed Wood VS Godzilla at January 12, 2013 10:08 PM (obHYs)

27 God bless you M....

it's caturday caturday....another something something.....

wife will like the pic.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 12, 2013 10:08 PM (LRFds)

28 If you get sucked out of the plane, the best outcome from there is to get sucked into the engine. You'd be dead instantly.

Posted by: kbdabear at January 12, 2013 10:08 PM (wwsoB)

29 wait, almost all white cat with raccoon tail? I am not convinced.

Posted by: mallfly at January 12, 2013 10:08 PM (jDjlM)

30 and I will like the Texas tan line pic....

ah I miss texas.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 12, 2013 10:09 PM (LRFds)

31 wait, almost all white cat with raccoon tail? I am not convinced.
Posted by: mallfly at January 12, 2013 10:08 PM (jDjlM)


it is a Manx, a rare cross breed between a cat and a racoon



rarely seen



Posted by: Moron #3 at January 12, 2013 10:09 PM (jfSqj)

32 Here's my contribution to Caturday:

http://tinyurl.com/bjx6bme

That's the kitteh I live with.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 12, 2013 10:10 PM (xjpRj)

33 18 Tobacco Road,

to understand the age of Obama I would either need to break my fast on booze or hit myself in the head...a LOT

where's my hammer?

Posted by: sven10077 at January 12, 2013 10:10 PM (LRFds)

34 re 21: nice try but I'll bet that Penn will come up with something worse. You really need a lot of talent to successfully imitate an idiot like Sean Penn.

Posted by: mallfly at January 12, 2013 10:10 PM (jDjlM)

35 Repost.

Well its official the Jackson, MS gun show is a bust. Line out the door extending past 100ft. Next door was a bridal show. Hope people did not get the two confused, one will require you to surrender your weapons you know. Even driving in could spot the gun show newbies, sign with arrow said 'Gun Show' so that is where they pulled in while forgetting, as they roamed that little area, there was a giant parking lot just a bit further.

So endure the line and I swear I had Pvt. Pyle behind me. All he could talk about was Basic and being issued an M-14 if he was not talking Fox News and abortion. Was very tempted to turn to him and yell "Private Pyle what is your malfunction!" but I resisted and just shuffled through paying my $7 fee and escaping inside.

Or so I thought. That floor space was packed and then packed some more with people, weapons, bags, and baby strollers. I felt like I was threading through some dangerous jungle path except here the weapons were unloaded, just had to avoid someone spearing me with their slung rifle.

AR-15 prices were of an interesting range. These are all basic model prices I am quoting. None with scopes. I saw prices range from a low of $995 going all the way up to a staggering $3,000. Most were in the $1,400 range. One dealer had a sporterized 1917 Enfield in 30'06 with scope for $475. Another dealer had an Italian 6.5 rifle but the folding bayonet was missing, also had a chromed Arisaka without Chrysanthemum.

Only one table area was really dealing ammo. When I was there just before 1pm, he was well nigh picked clean. Some boxes of .45 and shotgun shells were left. He said in the first two hours he was cleaned out and had to go back to warehouse. Another table had some ammo but the brands I had never heard of. 9mm 115gr FMJ by Berry - 1,000rds for $100. Who is Berry? I passed.

I spent $7 to get in and then spent nothing inside. And after 30 minutes I was done and left.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 12, 2013 10:11 PM (hvqfu)

36 >>>I see on Drudge that the UK is making plans for the Falklands. Plans that don't involve surrender, thankfully.

Are they planning to stab them to death, - how does that work?

Posted by: Fritz at January 12, 2013 10:11 PM (w3+gB)

37 The Rosie O'Donnel version of that food blaster droid would be the size of Wall-E. Poor Wall-E.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 12, 2013 10:12 PM (hvqfu)

38 Face Off is his best work that I can remember. I don't know how they missed 'Now who wants to suck my tongue?'

Posted by: sTevo at January 12, 2013 10:12 PM (VMcEw)

39 http://tinyurl.com/bjx6bme

Dat is de serious cat!

Posted by: Adriane ... at January 12, 2013 10:12 PM (TvO05)

40 Sven- I read some earlier posts and I felt a little sheepish for extolling the "virtues" of drink. I admire your fortitude, for whatever the reason you decided to put down the glass.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 12, 2013 10:14 PM (4Mv1T)

41 32
Here's my contribution to Caturday:

http://tinyurl.com/bjx6bme

That's the kitteh I live with.


Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 12, 2013 10:10 PM

Beautiful kitteh and looks very intelligent.

My tabby howls when she plays, and is now tossing the toy mouse around the living room

Posted by: kbdabear at January 12, 2013 10:15 PM (wwsoB)

42 Annnnddddd....HERE! Fresh glass of scootch in hand, and not a moment too soon.That's right, SCOOTCH.

Scootch on the lips, cootch in the hand. Or is it vice versa?

Posted by: Colorado Alex at January 12, 2013 10:17 PM (o1kXv)

43 Are they planning to stab them to death, - how does that work?

It works by spotting the Argie navy as it leaves port and ensuring that said navy ends its mission with a close inspection of the ocean floor. Preferably before it arrives at the islands this time.

Posted by: boulder hobo, who has to fall back on the Texans now at January 12, 2013 10:18 PM (QTHTd)

44 Wonder if Denver has a spike in suicides today?

Posted by: Icedog at January 12, 2013 10:18 PM (9ScGj)

45 Well its official the Jackson, MS gun show is a bust. Line out the door extending past 100ft. Next door was a bridal show. Hope people did not get the two confused, one will require you to surrender your weapons you know. Even driving in could spot the gun show newbies, sign with arrow said 'Gun Show' so that is where they pulled in while forgetting, as they roamed that little area, there was a giant parking lot just a bit further.

It's a lucky man who has a fiance who wants to hit both shows.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at January 12, 2013 10:19 PM (o1kXv)

46 Have posted this once before, but considering the plane falling thing, here it is again. I like this ad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpYBKf-fs78

Posted by: otho at January 12, 2013 10:19 PM (yBF/9)

47 It works by spotting the Argie navy as it leaves port and ensuring that said navy ends its mission with a close inspection of the ocean floor. Preferably before it arrives at the islands this time.

Nah, just reposess their ships. Again.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at January 12, 2013 10:19 PM (o1kXv)

48 Last night of a well deserved vacation in the Caribbean. Back to Suckafornia tomorrow. I want to live in the Cayman Islands....forever.

Posted by: mon nom est mpfs at January 12, 2013 10:20 PM (SrGxF)

49 The Texas Tan line gave me the boner.

Posted by: toby928© Person of Pallor at January 12, 2013 10:20 PM (QupBk)

50 Actually I'd prefer that the Brits pre-emptively invade Argentina and reclaim Patagonia as the real New South Wales (which it is). But Cameron's a pussy.

Posted by: boulder hobo, who has to fall back on the Texans now at January 12, 2013 10:20 PM (QTHTd)

51 What are you apologizing for CDR M? You did good. Hope you feel better soonly.

Posted by: L, elle at January 12, 2013 10:20 PM (0PiQ4)

52 What he said.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/akf9mrc

Posted by: Thorvald at January 12, 2013 10:21 PM (1V6Pv)

53 40 Tpobacco Road,

I'm not a preacher and begrudge no one their fun....

hell I am happy to play designated driver.

You know that switch that says 'stop'?

I don't have it.

Thanks for the kind words.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 12, 2013 10:22 PM (LRFds)

54
http://tinyurl.com/bjx6bme

That's the kitteh I live with.




Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 12, 2013 10:10 PM

Wow, what a gorgeous kitteh! Although, it's probably hungry . . .

Posted by: Peaches, Pats fan for life at January 12, 2013 10:22 PM (kpCLl)

55 Dixie Classic Gun and Knife Shoe in Raleigh next weekend, Sat, Sunday. Don't imagine it will be any different from Jackson. Too bad.

I'll be in a "gun safety" class all Saturday anyway. At a church no less. If God be for us, who can be agin' us?

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 12, 2013 10:22 PM (4Mv1T)

56 Re: The Maldives, eerr Malvinas, well yeah the Falklands. Gurkhas on the islands. And RN fast attack subs sitting outside Argie navy bases.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 12, 2013 10:22 PM (hvqfu)

57 It works by spotting the Argie navy as it leaves port and ensuring that said navy ends its mission with a close inspection of the ocean floor. Preferably before it arrives at the islands this time.

Yep. One nuclear attack sub should do it, but send two, just to be sure.

Posted by: toby928© Person of Pallor at January 12, 2013 10:22 PM (QupBk)

58 Scootch on the lips, cootch in the hand. Or is it vice versa?
Posted by: Colorado Alex

How YOU doin?!

Sorry couldn't resist.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at January 12, 2013 10:22 PM (nSmT6)

59 Falklands? Again? But, unfortunately, I can see a much different outcome. Not because I doubt the abilitities of the British military, but becauseI doubt the resolve ofthe British gubmint.

God help our friends in the British military. A fucking thankless job, being a warrior for a nation of wimps.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at January 12, 2013 10:23 PM (6rcHp)

60 50 Boulder Hobo,

If good Queen bess would go imperialist I'd go home to Jolly Ole'....

pretty sure i am more english than jackie the paki

Posted by: sven10077 at January 12, 2013 10:23 PM (LRFds)

61 Feel better CDR M.

Remember when I warned you about the flu weeks ago?

Did you listen? Noooooo, just like a man.

Posted by: mon nom est mpfs at January 12, 2013 10:23 PM (SrGxF)

62 Knife Shoe? I think that's from a Bond movie. Or was it "Roadhouse" Yea, it was "Roadhouse".

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 12, 2013 10:24 PM (4Mv1T)

63 59 Pug mahon,

add in Bambi aiding the argies and.....


He is a pluperfect asshammer.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 12, 2013 10:24 PM (LRFds)

64 http://media.animevice.com/uploads/0/2290/237609-429385.jpg

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 12, 2013 10:24 PM (hvqfu)

65 50 "reclaim Patagonia as the real New South Wales (which it is)."

Hey I'm real too. Is Queensland the one who put you up to this? Don't listen to that guy. He lies.

Posted by: New South Wales, Australia at January 12, 2013 10:24 PM (obHYs)

66 I spent $7 to get in and then spent nothing inside. And after 30 minutes I was done and left.


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 12, 2013 10:11 PM (hvqfu)



Thanks for the report. I'll have to see how the one here goes next weekend.

Evening roonz and roonettez! I have "A Memory of Light" to distract me, so my attentions are divided this ONT. Apologies in advance.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 12, 2013 10:24 PM (yh0zB)

67 How YOU doin?! Sorry couldn't resist.

Either way it's better if it's aged at least twenty years.

And I'm doing well. Just finished the last Wheel of Time book, which makes me happy even if the book itself was mediocre. Yourself?

Posted by: Colorado Alex at January 12, 2013 10:25 PM (o1kXv)

68 Just want to check in, halfway through a 22 hour drive to take the younger brat back to school.

Of course I was being sarcastic in the grits post. What are you, a bunch of Morons?

Posted by: CBD at January 12, 2013 10:26 PM (7bay4)

69 Shoe knife was also in a Bond film. The frumpy killer frau from SMERSH. Think it was From Russia With Love.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 12, 2013 10:26 PM (hvqfu)

70 At a church no less. If God be for us, who can be agin' us?
Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 12, 2013 10:22 PM (4Mv1T)

Lol, we're trying to get a class set up at our church as well. My kids and I make 5 participants anyway, but there's a fair amount of interest among other parents as well.

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette, still a Hobbit at January 12, 2013 10:27 PM (wbeNt)

71 Sven- My bro-in-law who couldn't turn the switch off either, finally did at a young age. Then went to seminary with his new wife, my baby sister, in tow. Best preacher now I ever heard. Truly.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 12, 2013 10:27 PM (4Mv1T)

72 Yeah, be careful with that 12-year cooch

Posted by: Truman North at January 12, 2013 10:28 PM (I2LwF)

73 Yourself?

Tired, about to jump in the shower. Then I have to make coffee cake to take out to Gushie's tomorrow. Sis & kids coming to stay for a few days so I'm bugging out.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at January 12, 2013 10:28 PM (nSmT6)

74 g'evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at January 12, 2013 10:29 PM (JMmQ9)

75 Nic Cage hasn't done 100 of anything worth watching.

Posted by: Ken Royall at January 12, 2013 10:29 PM (x0g8a)

76 Of course I was being sarcastic in the grits post. What are you, a bunch of Morons?

Posted by: CBD at January 12, 2013 10:26 PM (7bay4)

whew, I didn't even comment because I didn't want to hurt your feelers, but damn that looked disgusting

Posted by: Peaches, Pats fan for life at January 12, 2013 10:29 PM (kpCLl)

77 Polliwog, the concealed carry class I'm attending next week is routinely run by the Youth Pastor there. Not my church, but I do go to the other Baptist Church.

And ix-nay on my comments about the otch-skay. Mums the word.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 12, 2013 10:30 PM (4Mv1T)

78 Tired, about to jump in the shower. Then I have to make coffee cake to take out to Gushie's tomorrow. Sis kids coming to stay for a few days so I'm bugging out.
Ah yes, go play at Gushie's and get away from the family for a while. You've earned it.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at January 12, 2013 10:30 PM (o1kXv)

79 bebe's boobs destroy at January 12, 2013 10:28 PM (nSmT6)

Happy Coffeecakenclutchen!

Be safe out there...

Posted by: Adriane ... at January 12, 2013 10:30 PM (TvO05)

80 71 Tobacco Road,

That's great to hear.

I mean I am just not an evangelical nobody should drink dry drunk.

My mom did that once when she dried out before I started it stuck with me.

My brother had an incident that hurt a newborn, and i looked at my 5 month old son and said "no more."

It's one day at a time hopefully lots of times.....

of course I have been sober 12 years and 5 months.

The preacher for God thing....you've read me.

I am not qualified I try to be a decent layman.

I am happy to hear your brother's productive recovery strengthened him to do god's work though, there are few things on Earth more powerful than a good preacher.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 12, 2013 10:30 PM (LRFds)

81 @53 If you can survive it with offspring, that's a feature, not a bug.
No effin' s**t!

Posted by: Thorvald at January 12, 2013 10:30 PM (1V6Pv)

82 Bebes, have fun at Gushka's. You really need it.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 12, 2013 10:31 PM (hvqfu)

83 Yeah, be careful with that 12-year cooch

"I like my scotch like I like my women."

"12 years old and room temperature?"

Posted by: Colorado Alex at January 12, 2013 10:31 PM (o1kXv)

84 God help our friends in the British military. A fucking thankless job, being a warrior for a nation of wimps.

Posted by: Pug Mahon at January 12, 2013 10:23 PM

Shame of it is that the British soldiers, sailors, and marines are as top notch as ours.

Posted by: kbdabear at January 12, 2013 10:31 PM (wwsoB)

85 Evenin', AltonJackson

Posted by: Adriane ... at January 12, 2013 10:31 PM (TvO05)

86 Best thing about the football today: none of it is on NBC

Posted by: Truman North at January 12, 2013 10:32 PM (I2LwF)

87 You back on land mpfs?

Posted by: CDR M at January 12, 2013 10:32 PM (dKV5k)

88 How to post like Nicolas Cage:

You start posting normally but you have a little bit of tension in what you're saying, just a little tension...and then you...EXPLODE! IN A SHOUT AND DON'T STOP UNTIL YOU HAVE TO BREATHE!!!

Posted by: AmishDude at January 12, 2013 10:32 PM (xSegX)

89
Shame of it is that the British soldiers, sailors, and marines are as top notch as ours.

Posted by: kbdabear at January 12, 2013 10:31 PM (wwsoB)

Their spec ops kids are really kick ass.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 12, 2013 10:32 PM (l86i3)

90 86 truman North,

I'm Bob Costas here at the Egyptian Bowl and I'd like to discuss our spate of Rock on Skull violence....why did Cain kill Able?



Posted by: sven10077 at January 12, 2013 10:32 PM (LRFds)

91 When I was 8 I told my mom I wanted a dog for Christmas.

She said, "no, you'll have turkey like everyone else."

Posted by: Truman North at January 12, 2013 10:33 PM (I2LwF)

92 LOL Sven

Posted by: Truman North at January 12, 2013 10:33 PM (I2LwF)

93 Oh, good news here.

I quit my job. This job was a good job, to start with, until the contract got bought out and my awesome boss was replaced by a carton of douchebags. But by then I'd got some references out of the experience, from the x-boss as well as from several x-coworkers.

And, because I planned ahead this time, I got another job lined up, similar distance from home, and this time closer to Denver - so maybe I can, *gulp*, start dating again.

woooot

Posted by: boulder hobo at January 12, 2013 10:34 PM (QTHTd)

94 Shame of it is that the British soldiers, sailors, and marines are as top notch as ours.



Posted by: kbdabear at January 12, 2013 10:31 PM (wwsoB)


They really are. British Marines are some of the toughest bastards in the business.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 12, 2013 10:34 PM (yh0zB)

95 Happy Coffeecakenclutchen

Heh. It's fabulously tasty. I usually only make a couple at Christmas because it takes a long time to roll the buttermilk biscuits up. The house is about to smell all cinnamony. Yum. See youse all later.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at January 12, 2013 10:34 PM (nSmT6)

96 whew, I didn't even comment because I didn't want to hurt your feelers, but damn that looked disgusting

Posted by: Peaches, Pats fan for life at January 12, 2013 10:29 PM (kpCLl)




Bite your tongue woman!

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 12, 2013 10:34 PM (GEICT)

97 Nice boulder toilet hobo! Grats

Posted by: Truman North at January 12, 2013 10:35 PM (I2LwF)

98 well I think I am gonna call it an early night gang....

keep on keeping on....

main thing is to remember who we are help all of our mind we can and keep on plugging....

these bastards are gonna strangle the goose, but we are tougher than they are and go last long in the avalanche they cause.

then we have to get up, dust off, rebuild and kick them in the balls every chance we get.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 12, 2013 10:35 PM (LRFds)

99 I've heard of a sack of dicks, but this is the first I've heard about a carton of douchebags. I thought they came two to a box.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 12, 2013 10:35 PM (yh0zB)

100 Wow what a fake and what a run

Posted by: Truman North at January 12, 2013 10:36 PM (I2LwF)

101 Boulder Hobo,
Congratulations on the new job, and for getting the hell out of Boulder!

Posted by: Colorado Alex at January 12, 2013 10:36 PM (o1kXv)

102 I bet he can fake an orgasm

Posted by: Truman North at January 12, 2013 10:36 PM (I2LwF)

103 Well, pron historian sort of sounds like fun.


Later, all.

God bless. :-)

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 12, 2013 10:36 PM (nGO/U)

104 And wtf is up with Jackie chan.... looks like another farkin commie c@ck sucker has come out of the wood work.

Posted by: ET at January 12, 2013 10:37 PM (YpjaN)

105 Not really sure what the Brits could actually do if Argentina decides to retake the Falklands. While Argentina doesn't have much of a navy, the Brits have really depleted the Royal Navy. Argentina will have air superiority since the Brits don't have an aircraft carrier that is capable of providing air superiority. Obama will probably feed intel to the Argentinians, the exact opposite of what Reagan did 30 years ago.

Posted by: MrCaniac at January 12, 2013 10:37 PM (Zd/NW)

106 So, I asked for some advice in an earlier thread about what to drink. Took the advice and went to the liquor store. Went for Maker's Mark, came home with Maker's 46. Some bite at first, but it gets smoother.



And HOLY FUCK IS THAT KAEPERNICK FAST!!!!

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 12, 2013 10:37 PM (GEICT)

107 I need to take a pill. My head.

Probably see you tomorrow

Which incidentally is my birthday

Posted by: Truman North at January 12, 2013 10:37 PM (I2LwF)

108 So, does anyone still question starting Kaepernick for this game?

Posted by: kbdabear at January 12, 2013 10:37 PM (wwsoB)

109 So, are any Colorado Morons interested in a meetup sometime in the near future?

Posted by: Colorado Alex at January 12, 2013 10:38 PM (o1kXv)

110 Did you catch this news?: " Aaron Swartz, a celebrated internet freedom activist and early developer of the website Reddit, has died at 26." - He hung himself.

Posted by: Just when you think you're sitting on top of the world at January 12, 2013 10:38 PM (g5wi5)

111 Didn't we send a few of our own to settle that score in the Fuck-them Islands last go 'round? And doesn't Argentina have a little problem, with like, economic collapse, currency collapse, etc since 2001?

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 12, 2013 10:38 PM (4Mv1T)

112 Which incidentally is my birthday
Posted by: Truman North at January 12, 2013 10:37 PM (I2LwF)

Well Happy B-day tomorrow Tru!

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 12, 2013 10:38 PM (l86i3)

113 91
When I was 8 I told my mom I wanted a dog for Christmas.
She said, "no, you'll have turkey like everyone else."


---------

Would have been funnier with a TFG sockpuppet.

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at January 12, 2013 10:38 PM (1c58W)

114 Okay on one of my resolutions is to learn Japanese. So I can move from just being gaijin to being gaijin who thinks they speak Japanese. What language software does anyone recommend?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 12, 2013 10:38 PM (hvqfu)

115 And, because I planned ahead this time, I got another job lined up, similar distance from home, and this time closer to Denver - so maybe I can, *gulp*, start dating again.

The month is January ...
The day is the 12th ...
& The year is 2013 ...

HTH

Posted by: Adriane ... at January 12, 2013 10:38 PM (TvO05)

116 I hate football. Both these games were supposed to be locks.

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 12, 2013 10:38 PM (MPjT8)

117 Tru's a January baby, too?

Interesting.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at January 12, 2013 10:39 PM (hO8IJ)

118 Did you catch this news?: " Aaron Swartz, a celebrated internet freedom activist and early developer of the website Reddit, has died at 26." - He hung himself.

I read it on a blog somewhere.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 12, 2013 10:39 PM (xSegX)

119 Does anyone here go to a Calvary Fellowship church? I haven't been for a loooong time, and was wondering how they are doing, as far as PC-ness. When I went, it was definitely getting that way.

Posted by: kalneva at January 12, 2013 10:39 PM (QbHKY)

120 Good Evening Horde,
I would say I'm on a diet but to gain weight. I'm going to call it an undiet.

As soon as I finish this post and do a few things, I'm going to get a glass of wine.

Did anyone listen to Mark Levin's rant from Drudge? it's great, he went on an on about the fools in DC.

Posted by: CarolT at January 12, 2013 10:39 PM (z4WKX)

121 Unfortunately I think that the Fauklands will be given over to the Argentinians fairly soon. The administration clearly wants to side with the Argies and say "F You" to the brits, and no doubt the UN will happily go along.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at January 12, 2013 10:40 PM (o1kXv)

122 What language software does anyone recommend?

First, get a fluent speaker who has gigantic breasts.

Then...um...what was the question?

Posted by: AmishDude at January 12, 2013 10:40 PM (xSegX)

123 I hate football. Both these games were supposed to be locks.
Posted by: USS Diversity at January 12, 2013 10:38 PM (MPjT


I have been bitten by many bugs, but gambling isn't one of them Thats why I think I can enjoy sports.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 12, 2013 10:40 PM (l86i3)

124 AmishDude no ecchi!

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 12, 2013 10:40 PM (hvqfu)

125 @114 There's a special package you can get, but you need to contact the Emperor's Office to land on Iwo Jima. It's called, "You Speak Japanese Very Well For A Hairy Barbarian." 6万円 at your nearest retailer, plus fees.

Posted by: Thorvald at January 12, 2013 10:41 PM (1V6Pv)

126 I wonder why the UK isn't telling Argentina that London still pulls a lot of financial strings while Argentina's credit is in the crapper and their currency is toilet paper.

A few manipulations here and there and Kirchner would be forced to give blowjobs on live TV to raise cash

Posted by: kbdabear at January 12, 2013 10:41 PM (wwsoB)

127 Okay on one of my resolutions is to learn Japanese. So I can move from just being gaijin to being gaijin who thinks they speak Japanese. What language software does anyone recommend?

Honestly, you're better off finding a local college kid to tutor you once a week and give you conversation practice.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at January 12, 2013 10:42 PM (o1kXv)

128 woooot


Posted by: boulder hobo at January 12, 2013 10:34 PM (QTHTd)

woooot, indeed! congratulations!

Posted by: Peaches, Pats fan for life at January 12, 2013 10:42 PM (kpCLl)

129
what does a 26 yo know about anything?

it isn't until 25 before people realize they don't know nothing

Posted by: soothsayer at January 12, 2013 10:42 PM (0w+w3)

130 First, get a fluent speaker who has gigantic breasts.



Then...um...what was the question?

Posted by: AmishDude at January 12, 2013 10:40 PM (xSegX)


Perhaps for AnnaPuma that should be "a fluent speaker with bulging pecs"...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 12, 2013 10:42 PM (yh0zB)

131 114
Okay on one of my resolutions is to learn Japanese. So I can move from
just being gaijin to being gaijin who thinks they speak Japanese. What
language software does anyone recommend?


-------------

Zatoichi movies in an infinite loop?

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at January 12, 2013 10:43 PM (1c58W)

132 Obama has publicly called upon the UK to negotiate with Argentina on the Maldives, err Mavinas, well the Falklands.

The reason why Argentina is saber rattling is precisely because the economy has been thoroughly looted and the populace is starting to notice. So distract them. Just like what happened when they invaded the islands before. Britain took the islands back and the junta collapsed.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 12, 2013 10:43 PM (hvqfu)

133 @ 121 Colorado Alex

Who care, seriously. This is a pissing match between the Brits and Argies. The Brits are always lecturing others, now the table are turned. Cry me a river.

Posted by: Check Yourself at January 12, 2013 10:45 PM (YPImW)

134
I have been bitten by many bugs, but gambling isn't one of them Thats why I think I can enjoy sports.

I know OSP, I have only $15 invested in the playoffs--not a gambler-it's more of a fun thing. But I like the Pack and hate the Ray-vens.

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 12, 2013 10:45 PM (MPjT8)

135 Obama has publicly called upon the UK to negotiate with Argentina on the Maldives, err Mavinas, well the Falklands.
"Right of self determination" is a fucking leftwing scam. Notice that it only applies to favored groups and not, say, Texas.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at January 12, 2013 10:45 PM (o1kXv)

136 132 Anna Puma (+SmuD)

The UK lectures other nations. Who care now that the tables are turned.

Posted by: Check Yourself at January 12, 2013 10:46 PM (YPImW)

137
>>> he went on an on about the fools in DC.

If only we all could make a living doing something we enjoy.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 12, 2013 10:46 PM (eHNxr)

138 UK vs. Argentina, 2 loser Socialist nations. Screw them both.

Posted by: Check Yourself at January 12, 2013 10:47 PM (YPImW)

139 Hey it looks like the US State Department is posting on this blog. Betraying allies because that is easier than helping them resist true acts of aggression.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 12, 2013 10:48 PM (znavB)

140 Ruger has an easy way to show the weasels in the capital how you feel about the 2nd Amendment:
http://www.ruger.com/micros/advocacy/takeAction.html

Posted by: bill-o at January 12, 2013 10:48 PM (AWwDY)

141 @ 139 Anna Puma (+SmuD)
The UK lectures at Israel and supports the Jihadists against them. Screw the UK.

Posted by: Check Yourself at January 12, 2013 10:48 PM (YPImW)

142 it isn't until 25 before people realize they don't know nothing

That's probably an optimistic estimate.

Posted by: AD at January 12, 2013 10:49 PM (fzfvR)

143 Does anyone see this as "Thatcher/Magna Charta v. Peron"?
I'm just asking.

Posted by: Thorvald at January 12, 2013 10:49 PM (1V6Pv)

144 The UK supports Islamic terrorists. East London is Jihad central and the British Government gives aid and comfort to Islamists. Screw them, I could care less their beef with Argentina.

Posted by: Check Yourself at January 12, 2013 10:50 PM (YPImW)

145 not a single goddamned quote from raising Arizona? Pfft.

Posted by: model_1066 at January 12, 2013 10:50 PM (7xPCu)

146 It looks as if that's an outline of a gun on that girl with the TX tanline.

Posted by: Dan Dierdorf at January 12, 2013 10:50 PM (jucos)

147 @ 143 Thorvald

No it's Islamic loving Socialist (UK) vs. Wine Drinking Socialists (Argentina). Both are assholes, so screw them.

Posted by: Check Yourself at January 12, 2013 10:51 PM (YPImW)

148 It looks as if that's an outline of a gun on that girl with the TX tanline.

You should see the outline I left between her chesticles.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at January 12, 2013 10:51 PM (o1kXv)

149 This is about to become an ass kicking

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 12, 2013 10:51 PM (GEICT)

150 126
I wonder why the UK isn't telling Argentina that London still pulls a
lot of financial strings while Argentina's credit is in the crapper and
their currency is toilet paper.

A few manipulations here and there and Kirchner would be forced to give blowjobs on live TV to raise cash



Posted by: kbdabear at January 12, 2013 10:41 PM (wwsoB)

She thinks Huggy Bear over in Venezuela will be her benefactor, plus every wanna be dictator has one thing on their mind, self preservation. She knows she buys more time by going to war, and if she wins, she then gets some juice down in South America, especially if Huggy is shuffling off.

Posted by: MrCaniac at January 12, 2013 10:51 PM (Zd/NW)

151 Talking the game BCochran?

Or this - http://youtu.be/rTf0i-quheA

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 12, 2013 10:52 PM (znavB)

152 Did you catch this news?: " Aaron Swartz, a celebrated internet freedom activist and early developer of the website Reddit, has died at 26." - He hung himself.
--------------------------------------------------------
Horrible way to go.

Posted by: David Carradine at January 12, 2013 10:52 PM (jucos)

153 I hope they nipped this in the bud

Tacoma, Wash., police draw guns on cardboard cutout of JustinBieber

http://tinyurl.com/bw2mpxn

Man says burglar won't leave his house when sheriff shows up, they draw guns on a #justinbieber cardboard cutout left as prank by daughter

Kevin McCarty (@KevinKIRO) January 12, 2013


Posted by: Barney Fife at January 12, 2013 10:52 PM (wwsoB)

154 Unfortunately I think that the Fauklands will be given over to the Argentinians fairly soon. The administration clearly wants to side with the Argies and say "F You" to the brits, and no doubt the UN will happily go along.

A few facts about Argentina's "claim" to the Falklands:

There are no people native to the Falklands. When Europeans discovered them, they were uninhabited. There are also no native animal species.

Chilean soil is almost as close to the Falklands as Argentina and even the area of Tierra del Fuego was hotly contested between the two countries as late as the 70s.

At the time of the 80s Falklands war, the islands had no paved roads outside of the capital, Stanley.

Its population is less than 3000, 70% are the most British of British subjects. They do not want to be Argentinian citizens and it appears would leave the islands if it changed hands.

In fact, it has very little value at all. There seems to have been a commercially viable oil find, but it doesn't appear to be too lucrative.

What the Falklands are is a convenient rallying cry for a nationalistic government.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 12, 2013 10:52 PM (xSegX)

155 so watching 'Swiss Family Robindon' with the kids

they get their toy rifles out when the Pirates or the tiger shows up.


gotta say, those are my kids


Posted by: Moron #3 at January 12, 2013 10:53 PM (jfSqj)

156
Tebow has won more Bronco playoff games than Manning

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 12, 2013 10:53 PM (MPjT8)

157 #50 Your comment reminded me of several of these Bloom County cartoons especially the first one featuring Opus. See the sock link; and just by chance doing a search for that first cartoon the web site featuring it just happens to be the site of a conservative blogger from Canada.

Posted by: andycanuck at January 12, 2013 10:53 PM (ORGYc)

158 sock fail


oh ant the pirates seem to be islamo carzies...

Posted by: Jake in ID at January 12, 2013 10:54 PM (jfSqj)

159 @ 154 AmishDude

Who cares, seriously. This is a pissing match between 2 jerks. Screw Cameron and screw Kitchner.

Posted by: Check Yourself at January 12, 2013 10:54 PM (YPImW)

160 Hi Peaches, how you doing? Hi ont

Posted by: lou's a girl at January 12, 2013 10:55 PM (adaoe)

161 @ 156 USS Diversity

That's true!

Posted by: Check Yourself at January 12, 2013 10:55 PM (YPImW)

162 Posted by: Check Fuck Yourself at January 12, 2013 10:51 PM

FIFY

Posted by: The Fixer at January 12, 2013 10:55 PM (wwsoB)

163 @ 162 The Fixer

That was deep, you are a great thinker!

Posted by: Check Yourself at January 12, 2013 10:56 PM (YPImW)

164 So if Kircherner was living in your hood waving an AK-47 while screaming at your neighbor Cameron she wants his house. You would not call the cops or help him. You are a lovely piece of work.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 12, 2013 10:57 PM (znavB)

165 Let's see if the formatting works ...

I came across this UK OB earlier today:

Armed Forces 1982 2013
Personnel: 320,000 160,000

Ships:
Carriers 2 2 (Assault/Helicopter)
Assault ships 2 2 (Assault/Command)
Submarines 32 9
Destroyers 15 7
Frigates 46 13
Ice Patrol Ship 1 1
Hydrographic survey ships 12 3
Patrol ships/craft 15 4
Minesweepers and minehunters 29 15 Minehunters
Royal Fleet Auxiliary 45 10
Total 201 66

Aircraft: 400+ 130

The British vary between 49% and 33% strength of 1982. Missing are the Vulcans, so heavy bombing is out.

I didn't look up Argentinian strength; their money is still worthless, their government is still corrupt, oppressive and socialist, and they still produce F1 drivers.

Strategic surprise is lacking. The British have significant airpower at Port Stanley, and barring the loss, somehow, of the runway, support facilities, and/or enough aircraft, they have a significant advantage. The 25 de Mayo is unlikely to sortie (if it still can); too many (i.e., more than 1) British subs.

Perhaps sending a few companies of Challenger 2 tanks might make a sufficient statement, and add significant firepower, certainly enough to duke it out with any Argentinian ships trying to land troops / shell land targets.

Will the Args make a military move to reclaim the islands? My guess is that the bulk of the oil and NG in the area is off the Argentine coast, in Argentinian / International waters ... this will be verified in about 10 years, and everyone will look back and ask "why?"


Posted by: Arbalest at January 12, 2013 10:57 PM (fQxC9)

166 The British troops have hung in there with us in Afghanistan and they didn't bail on us in Iraq.

I think they're entitled to a little more than "you're on your own"

Posted by: kbdabear at January 12, 2013 10:57 PM (wwsoB)

167 I'll kill all of you *unts that talk bad about my daddy

Posted by: Hit Girl at January 12, 2013 10:57 PM (Zz48T)

168 Also, the distance between the Falklands and Argentina is roughly 300 miles. This is roughly the distance between Illinois and Nebraska.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 12, 2013 10:57 PM (xSegX)

169 @ 164 Anna Puma (+SmuD)

If they are both assholes, I don't care.

Posted by: Check Yourself at January 12, 2013 10:57 PM (YPImW)

170 Moron #3- We were vacationing in the Blue Ridge in Montreat NC many moons ago. Son #1 was about 3 years old and wife was great with child with #2. Son #1 had an orange plastic Winchester about 2 feet long, with boots and cowboy hat. The second day we were there I was berated by an old woman in front of other guests at the inn for letting him carry a GUN.

I told her in a rather loud voice in front of the same guests, "I AM SORRY YOU FEEL THAT WAY." The innkeeper informed me shortly thereafter that he owned many guns.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 12, 2013 10:59 PM (4Mv1T)

171 169
If they are both assholes, I don't care.


Yeah, I thought the same about you and that "Vicious" asshole who was posting here a week or so ago.

Posted by: Splunge at January 12, 2013 10:59 PM (2IW5Q)

172 @ 166 kbdabear

Like I care. Iraq was a stupid war anyway. We installed an Islamic Shia government that's a puppet of Iran.

Why doesn't the UK stop lecturing Israel?

Posted by: Check Yourself at January 12, 2013 10:59 PM (YPImW)

173 How long does it take that banhammer to warm up, anyway?

Posted by: Splunge at January 12, 2013 11:00 PM (2IW5Q)

174 When the Brits stops supporting Islamic terrorists and lecturing Israel about the Palestinians, maybe I will care about their beef with the Argies.

Posted by: Check Yourself at January 12, 2013 11:00 PM (YPImW)

175 Anna, your best work yet.


Btw, the best way to convince people you're right is to just keep repeating yourself over and over.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 12, 2013 11:01 PM (GEICT)

176 Hockey, the spring classic.

Posted by: futbol americano es muy bueno at January 12, 2013 11:01 PM (I88Jc)

177 157 #50 Your comment reminded me of several of these Bloom County cartoons especially the first one featuring Opus. See the sock link; and just by chance doing a search for that first cartoon the web site featuring it just happens to be the site of a conservative blogger from Canada.

Posted by: andycanuck at January 12, 2013 10:53 PM (ORGYc)


And to bring this full circle, if I remember my Bloom County correctly, Opus was separated from his mother during the Falklands war.

I would still support Britain in an Argentina vs. UK fight. It's harder to feel sorry for them, though, when their people raved over the guy who's pressuring them to give the Falklands back. In a way, they were at least asking for us to give them a hard time.

Posted by: AD at January 12, 2013 11:01 PM (fzfvR)

178 @ 173 Splunge

Ban someone for disagreeing how courageous! Can't ruin the echo chamber!

Posted by: Check Yourself at January 12, 2013 11:01 PM (YPImW)

179 Good evening ONT. I'll be your troll for this evening. The special tonight is my half assed annoying ness. Unless the manager catches me soon & busts out the TB3K.

Posted by: Upchuck Yourself at January 12, 2013 11:02 PM (nSmT6)

180 @177 AD

The Brits love Obama. Let them enjoy his love.

Posted by: Check Yourself at January 12, 2013 11:02 PM (YPImW)

181 If I didn't know any better I'd think that "Check Yourself" was here to start trouble.

Posted by: Dan Dierdorf at January 12, 2013 11:03 PM (jucos)

182 How long does it take that banhammer to warm up, anyway?
Posted by: Splunge at January 12, 2013 11:00 PM (2IW5Q)


not very long, wanna try it out?*





*ask me how I know this




Posted by: Jake in ID at January 12, 2013 11:03 PM (jfSqj)

183 My Spanish is good enough to read Borges in the original. I have seen Borges himself in person. My wine Onhava (save Barolo Nebbiolo) is high-altitude Mendoza vineyards growing Pinot Noir. I am a huge fan of the voyages of the Mischief, commanded by Maj. H.W. Tilman, R.A., Ret.
South Georgia Is. is where my cultures meet. "My friends, these are men."
The Socialist government of Arg. seeks a scapegoat. The Socialist gov. of Britain may or may not resist.
F**k Socialism. Kill Socialism and malaria.
Send L'il Barry and the Socialist leaders of Britain and Argentina to the very smallest rock of those islands and check your targeting information. Double-check.
Golly, how did that happen?

Posted by: Thorvald at January 12, 2013 11:04 PM (1V6Pv)

184 178Ban someone for disagreeing how courageous!

Oh, no, not that. Not that at all. But one of the keymasters here was so artistic recently in rolling out a point system that I hesitate to explain, lest I fall short.

What I can say is that "disagreeing" was not on the list.

Posted by: Splunge at January 12, 2013 11:04 PM (2IW5Q)

185 hope Chile helps us out on this. The Argie Bargies always did have a populist fascist streak. If they get those islands they'll be looking for the next convenient grievance.
Posted by: boulder hoboNot only that, but that bitch Cristina Kirchner is Eva Peron with a bad make up job. Fucking unforgiveable. However, she does make Hill Clintonlook like one of the defensive ends on the Ravens.

Posted by: Cheri at January 12, 2013 11:04 PM (EAgmr)

186 Panty shields raised, Captain. Hooters set to stun.

Posted by: USS Catty Catty Bang Bang at January 12, 2013 11:04 PM (I88Jc)

187
Posted by: Check Yourself at January 12, 2013 11:02 PM (YPImW)


Reality Check/Based troll from the other night. Take care of him now please instead of 2 hours later like last time.

Posted by: buzzion at January 12, 2013 11:04 PM (GULKT)

188 Man says burglar won't leave his house when sheriff shows up, they
draw guns on a #justinbieber cardboard cutout left as prank by daughter>>

This would have been a funny story if they shot the Bieber cutout. As the story is told they did as they were trained. Oh and training courses use cardboard cutouts.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 12, 2013 11:05 PM (qo244)

189 @ 183 Thorvald

I agree with your statement.

Posted by: Check Yourself at January 12, 2013 11:05 PM (YPImW)

190 182
*ask me how I know this


I'm asking, I'm asking.

Posted by: Splunge at January 12, 2013 11:05 PM (2IW5Q)

191
wasn't "Opus" a penguin?

Posted by: soothsayer at January 12, 2013 11:05 PM (LPRBM)

192 The NFL is as real as the WWF

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 12, 2013 11:05 PM (MPjT8)

193 Every pic I see of Gisele Bundchen lately, she looks more and more like she's ready to be her hubby's backup QB

Serious Man Face

Posted by: kbdabear at January 12, 2013 11:06 PM (wwsoB)

194 Someone rang?

Posted by: TB3K at January 12, 2013 11:06 PM (dKV5k)

195 Why, oh why does my posts have to look so screwed up? Do I need to change to another browser? I'm using IE.

Posted by: Cheri at January 12, 2013 11:06 PM (EAgmr)

196 192 The NFL is as real as the WWF
Posted by: USS Diversity at January 12, 2013 11:05 PM (MPjT
This

Posted by: lou's a girl at January 12, 2013 11:06 PM (adaoe)

197 Good evening.

In Black Sabbath "reunion" news the band reveals that the name of the new album will be titled "13" (?) and that the session drummer is Brad Wilk from Rage Against The Machine.

http://tinyurl.com/bngenhb

Vinny Appice not available?

Anyway...13? What's the significance of 13? Sabbath has had way more than 13 studio albums but not nearly 13 albums featuring Ozzy.

I don't get it.

Posted by: Robert at January 12, 2013 11:06 PM (LUnTP)

198 And to bring this full circle, if I remember my Bloom County correctly,
Opus was separated from his mother during the Falklands war.

I didn't remember that. I'll have to look for an Opus bio now, probably at Wiki.

Posted by: andycanuck at January 12, 2013 11:07 PM (ORGYc)

199
195 Why, oh why does my posts have to look so screwed up? Do I need to change to another browser? I'm using IE.
Posted by: Cheri at January 12, 2013 11:06 PM (EAgmr)


Switch to running it in compatibility mode, Double space between your paragraphs. And it you want to use italics use [ i ] and [ / i ]

Posted by: buzzion at January 12, 2013 11:07 PM (GULKT)

200 Cheri- IE no good here at AoS HQ. Try Firefox. Work mucho better.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 12, 2013 11:08 PM (4Mv1T)

201 Every pic I see of Gisele Bundchen lately, she looks more and more like she's ready to be her hubby's backup QB

Serious Man Face

Posted by: kbdabear at January 12, 2013 11:06 PM (wwsoB)
------------------------------------------------------
Oh no no no.... Come on fellas. I think she would look good with clothes pins on her nipples and peanut butter schmeared in her hooch.

Posted by: Brent Musberger at January 12, 2013 11:08 PM (jucos)

202 193 Every pic I see of Gisele Bundchen lately, she looks more and more like she's ready to be her hubby's backup QBSerious Man Face
Posted by: kbdabear at January 12, 2013 11:06 PM (wwsoB)
From the neck down, supermodel, but she and sarah jessica parker are twins, just saying!

Posted by: lou's a girl at January 12, 2013 11:08 PM (adaoe)

203 HIGH TERROR ALERT: France Raises Threat Level Due to Mali Military Action


from 'run' to 'hide'

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 12, 2013 11:08 PM (8sCoq)

204 Madness? This Is AMERICA!

The exploitation of the tragedy of Sandy Hook has reached a new low. New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, spawn of a previous leftist New York Governor, is calling for massive anti-Second Amendment measures. Cuomo seems to believe that guns are only good for hunting and that “no one need 10 bullets to kill a deer.” He has gone so far as to declare that “Confiscation could be an option. Mandatory sale to the state could be an option.“ Ultimately, Cuomo pleads for us to “end the madness now.”

Madness??? THIS IS AMERICA!

More: http://politicalhat.com/?p=1165

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 12, 2013 11:09 PM (Vk2pI)

205 Robert- Saw Ozzie and crew live right after they released "Paranoid".

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 12, 2013 11:09 PM (4Mv1T)

206 Is check yourself the target?

Posted by: TB3K at January 12, 2013 11:09 PM (dKV5k)

207
What was the old saying much like arguing with a troll?
It's like wrestling with a pig, you only end up dirty and the pigs like it. Fricken Fruitless.

Posted by: Cheri at January 12, 2013 11:09 PM (EAgmr)

208 203 HIGH TERROR ALERT: France Raises Threat Level Due to Mali Military Action


from 'run' to 'hide'

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 12, 2013 11:08 PM (8sCoq)



Next threat level, "Surrender"

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 12, 2013 11:09 PM (GEICT)

209 Yes, Opus was a penguin.

Posted by: andycanuck at January 12, 2013 11:10 PM (ORGYc)

210 peanut butter schmeared in her hooch.
Posted by: Brent Musberger at January 12, 2013 11:08 PM (jucos)

I could swear I've seen a movie like this once.

I think it involved a few miniature schnauzers.

Posted by: Robert at January 12, 2013 11:10 PM (LUnTP)

211 Tobacco Road - thanks!

Posted by: Cheri at January 12, 2013 11:10 PM (EAgmr)

212
man that Copernicus can run. too bad about that sun thing

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 12, 2013 11:10 PM (MPjT8)

213 SALT LAKE CITY – A Utah businessman accused of running a fraudulent $350 million software scheme says the state attorney general arranged a deal to pay Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to make a federal investigation into the software business disappear.

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 12, 2013 11:11 PM (8sCoq)

214 Saw Ozzie and crew live right after they released "Paranoid".
Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 12, 2013 11:09 PM (4Mv1T)

I hate you.

No I don't.

Yes I do.

Posted by: Robert at January 12, 2013 11:11 PM (LUnTP)

215 hope Chile helps us out on this. The Argie Bargies always did have a populist fascist streak.

Actually, fascism is breaking out all over. Note the nationalism with the Jackie Chan comments. I think that's due to a reflexive Chinese nationalism rather than a belief in a vague authoritarianism. You're seeing it in Hungary, too.

My theory is that the selfish nature of socialism means that, when you run out of other peoples' money, you start blaming others for taking away "your" hard-earned welfare.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 12, 2013 11:12 PM (xSegX)

216 Check Yourself.

http://tinyurl.com/anbqvmo

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 12, 2013 11:12 PM (qo244)

217 Posted by: Robert at January 12, 2013 11:06 PM (LUnTP)

Hi, what are the lyrics to yellow leadbetter by Pearl Jam, no cheating.

Posted by: lou's a girl at January 12, 2013 11:12 PM (adaoe)

218 OK, I'm out

sorry, kids; I just cannot keep up tonight

tomorrow night, mi amigos

Posted by: AltonJackson at January 12, 2013 11:12 PM (JMmQ9)

219 Nevermind when Paranoid came out my oldest sister wasn't even yet an itch in dad's pants, but that's besides the point.

I want a time machine.

Posted by: Robert at January 12, 2013 11:12 PM (LUnTP)

220 ...and peanut butter schmeared in her hooch.
Posted by: Brent Musberger at January 12, 2013 11:08 PM
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Woof! Sounds like a party!

Posted by: Toby the Beagle at January 12, 2013 11:13 PM (Mh+lD)

221 @ 204 The Political Hat

Andrew Cuomo is a traitor. He called for taking away' people's constitutional right to bear arms. He's a Fascist slimeball like his father.

Posted by: Check Yourself at January 12, 2013 11:13 PM (YPImW)

222 I'm asking, I'm asking.

Posted by: Splunge at January 12, 2013 11:05 PM (2IW5Q)

well on Wednesdy or Thursday's ONt, I was socking the shit outa of nic 'Fern Bar Hero'


then I met the banhammer, and it won



very simple really



Posted by: Jake in ID at January 12, 2013 11:13 PM (jfSqj)

223 These 49er chaps seem quite optimistic

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 12, 2013 11:13 PM (8sCoq)

224 RE: Browsers at AoS HQ. I find Firefox much more user friendly, like, it recognizes formatting and shit. But I can SEE the small print in IE better. There's just no rest for the weary.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 12, 2013 11:13 PM (4Mv1T)

225
fuck you Packers

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 12, 2013 11:14 PM (MPjT8)

226 I think the 49'ers got a pretty good shot at winning this game tonight.

Posted by: Dan Dierdorf at January 12, 2013 11:14 PM (jucos)

227 I'm sure that Barky, in his ignorance about S America, actually believes that the Argentines are holy Persons of Color. They are in fact more European in ethnicity than we are.
Given all the W Indies and "Asian" immigration into Britain in the last few decades, I dare say that even the UK is more racially diverse.
But Barky has to side with what he thinks is the un-European.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 12, 2013 11:14 PM (C8mVl)

228 what are the lyrics to yellow leadbetter by Pearl Jam, no cheating.
Posted by: lou's a girl at January 12, 2013 11:12 PM (adaoe)

Howdy, Lou!

The lyrics always sound to me like..."arr wha heeb shwin, oh a misha a we eh we ahhhahhhh..."

I think it's a companion to Innagadadavida.

Posted by: Robert at January 12, 2013 11:15 PM (LUnTP)

229 But I can SEE the small print in IE better.>>

Ctrl plus +

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 12, 2013 11:15 PM (qo244)

230 Ctrl-plus (the one on the number pad) will increase text size in Firefox

Posted by: Splunge at January 12, 2013 11:16 PM (2IW5Q)

231 Here we go!

Yellow Ledbetter lyrics

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/p/pearl+jam/yellow+ledbetter_20106395.html

Posted by: Robert at January 12, 2013 11:16 PM (LUnTP)

232 The lyrics always sound to me like..."arr wha heeb shwin, oh a misha a we eh we ahhhahhhh..." I think it's a companion to Innagadadavida.
Posted by: Robert at January 12, 2013 11:15 PM (LUnTP)

Haha, thats it!

Posted by: lou's a girl at January 12, 2013 11:17 PM (adaoe)

233 Robert- While I'm busy helping you to feel young, I also saw Pink Floyd right after they released Dark Side of the Moon, in quadrophonic no less, in a rectangular venue. Mind altering drugs not necessary, although present, and accounted for.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 12, 2013 11:17 PM (4Mv1T)

234 229 Oh crap I made this mistake earlier assuming everybody views on a PC and not a phone or Ipad. So sorry for the assumption if you are on a different device.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 12, 2013 11:18 PM (qo244)

235 HIGH TERROR ALERT: France Raises Threat Level Due to Mali Military Action


from 'run' to 'hide'
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 12, 2013 11:08 PM (8sCoq)



France is 10% moslem, and who they are bombing in Maili, are moslems


going to be interesting



Posted by: Jake in ID at January 12, 2013 11:19 PM (jfSqj)

236 Some people I just don't want to have on my side. If Piers Morgan invaded Hell, I would make at least a favorable reference to the devil on AoSHQ.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 12, 2013 11:19 PM (xSegX)

237 I also saw Pink Floyd right after they released Dark Side of the Moon, in quadrophonic no less, in a rectangular venue. Mind altering drugs not necessary, although present, and accounted for.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 12, 2013 11:17 PM (4Mv1T)

You.

BASTARD!

Having all this fun before I was born...so rude!

Posted by: Robert at January 12, 2013 11:21 PM (LUnTP)

238 Some people I just don't want to have on my side. If Piers Morgan invaded Hell, I would make at least a favorable reference to the devil on AoSHQ.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 12, 2013 11:19 PM (xSegX)
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Winston AmishDude

Posted by: Dan Dierdorf at January 12, 2013 11:21 PM (jucos)

239 Splunge. I can SEE again!! Thank you.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 12, 2013 11:21 PM (4Mv1T)

240 Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 12, 2013 11:13 PM (4Mv1T)

There is an option to set the minimum font size in FF (Options-> Content->Default Font - Size.
Unfortunately, it screws up some of the sidebar formatting, but overall works reasonably well.

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 12, 2013 11:22 PM (Cnqmv)

241 I would make at least a favorable reference to the devil on AoSHQ.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 12, 2013 11:19 PM (xSegX)

Satan doesn't hold your interests at heart but he sure has great taste in music.

Piers Morgan probably wanks off to Coldplay.

Posted by: Robert at January 12, 2013 11:22 PM (LUnTP)

242 France is 10% moslem, and who they are bombing in Mali, are moslems

going to be interesting


Now if you want to talk fascism, that's post-9/11 Islam.

They'll come up with some BS excuse (probably "colonialism") but it will amount to Islamic supremecism.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 12, 2013 11:22 PM (xSegX)

243 People are fools.
Flamingos are flamingos, at best.
Check out the flamingos at about 1:40.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/c9hmhzu

Posted by: Thorvald at January 12, 2013 11:23 PM (1V6Pv)

244 Piers Morgan in Hell will be like Groundhog Day. Every day he will wake up and say "what is this you have handed me? It looks like my own ass! But why does it have 'Property of Ben Shapiro' stamped on it?"

Posted by: Splunge at January 12, 2013 11:23 PM (2IW5Q)

245 Robert, Polly by Nirvana, wtf?

Posted by: lou's a girl at January 12, 2013 11:23 PM (adaoe)

246 Robert- I really haven't been to that many shows. Just caught a few good ones back in the day when I was a teen. I will say that the Dark Side of the Moon show was epic by comparison to any show of the day.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 12, 2013 11:24 PM (4Mv1T)

247 Okay, time to get ready for woik. Again.

Because tonight, like last night and the night before, is a woik night. It's my thing, woiking.

Good night, ONT!

A little something for Tobacco Road as I go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPSnxkqJtco

Posted by: Robert at January 12, 2013 11:24 PM (LUnTP)

248 Evening morons.
Got a bit out of hand at the gun store today:
Rem 700 SPS in 7MM mag : $329.00
Rem 700 SPS tactical in .308 $399.00
Rem 700 SPS in .03-06 $ 249.00
Dicks sporting goods must have their pricebook jacked up.. no way these should be that cheap. My buddy called andsaid" dude, dicks sporting goods has rifles on sale for dirt cheap"

Posted by: The Jackhole on Ventura Highway at January 12, 2013 11:24 PM (/7Xis)

249 I'm sure that Barky, in his ignorance about S America, actually believes that the Argentines are holy Persons of Color. They are in fact more European in ethnicity than we are.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 12, 2013 11:14 PM (C8mVl)


from what I understand the Spanish killed every north american indian in Argentina, so Argentina was European after than until any mesoamerican showed up from
Paraguay or where-ever






Posted by: Jake in ID at January 12, 2013 11:25 PM (jfSqj)

250 BBL

Posted by: andycanuck at January 12, 2013 11:25 PM (ORGYc)

251 According to Wikipedia, Argentina is 97% white.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 12, 2013 11:26 PM (xSegX)

252 >Piers Morgan probably wanks off to Coldplay.


I don't know why, but this is funny

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 12, 2013 11:27 PM (8sCoq)

253 The best band I ever saw was blue oyster cult and the best concert I ever saw was BOC and zebra at radio city music hall.

My hearing was shot for a week.

Posted by: General Woundwort at January 12, 2013 11:28 PM (hfB0k)

254 Also robin trower was really good live

Posted by: General Woundwort at January 12, 2013 11:29 PM (hfB0k)

255 Dicks sporting goods must have their pricebook jacked up.. no way these should be that cheap. My buddy called andsaid" dude, dicks sporting goods has rifles on sale for dirt cheap"
Posted by: The Jackhole on Ventura Highway at January 12, 2013 11:24 PM (/7Xis)




that is because nobody is going to buy guns at Dicks after they cancelled all orders on AR15's and refuse to sell them after Sandy Hook.



pay back is a muther fucker,

Posted by: Jake in ID at January 12, 2013 11:29 PM (jfSqj)

256 I have embraced the "One Mind, Any Weapon" lifestyle. Since I very rarely work from an office, there is usually a richness of T.O.Y.S. (tools of your surroundings), so I don't often carry the heavy weapons.
But I am the heavy weapon.
I watched "Zero Dark Thirty" last night. I have much to say about that. But remember, once your on that list, you're always on that list.
They know where you live. They know who your kids are. They have your health records, your prescription drugs. They have your phone calls, if you're looking for boy-prostitutes or illegal drugs. They have your card records, travel records, bank account. There's a really good chance they have your computer.
Have some chips, kick back in the recliner, watch some sports/brain candy.
Die.

Posted by: Thorvald at January 12, 2013 11:30 PM (1V6Pv)

257 Dicks sporting goods must have their pricebook jacked up.. no way these should be that cheap.>>

Yes the 700s should be twice or more. That's the price of the 770s.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 12, 2013 11:30 PM (qo244)

258 that is because nobody is going to buy guns at Dicks after they cancelled all orders on AR15's and refuse to sell them after Sandy Hook. pay back is a muther fucker,
Posted by: Jake in ID at January 12, 2013 11:29 PM (jfSqj)

I wouldn't normally go there but those prices were insane... I think they made a mistake

Posted by: The Jackhole on Ventura Highway at January 12, 2013 11:31 PM (/7Xis)

259 BCochran, sorry was AFK playing with kittehs. Who was the second part of your comment aimed at?

Which SA country is it, think Paraguay well the land locked one north of Argentina, who had as strongman someone named Strossner and most of the locals are blond but don's speak German.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 12, 2013 11:33 PM (znavB)

260 Best concert I ever saw? For stage presence, Beastie Boys, lollapolooza 94. For music and lights, the Cure 2000.

Posted by: zimriel at January 12, 2013 11:33 PM (l0R9B)

261 253 The best band I ever saw was blue oyster cult and the best concert I ever saw was BOC and zebra at radio city music hall.

I'm happy for you, but sorry for myself. Back in the day, I had an opportunity to see them on a secret tour of small clubs. Passed it up. Now I wish I hadn't.

Best part is the name they were touring under: Soft White Underbelly

Posted by: Splunge at January 12, 2013 11:33 PM (2IW5Q)

262 General- I would like to have seen Robin Trower live. Indeed I would. Also, had some BOC 8 tracks in the VW. Yes, you Morons, I said 8 tracks.

Oh, and General, I have a 'wee dram for ye tonight. Just lean yer glass over here. Just 12 years young, but better than my usual hootch.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 12, 2013 11:34 PM (4Mv1T)

263 . I think they made a mistake
Posted by: The Jackhole on Ventura Highway at January 12, 2013 11:31 PM (/7Xis)


gun peeps have a long memory

Dicks chose the wrong side and will suffer the consequenses.


I don't wear Levis or Dockers after the donated to The Brady Bunch of Gun Control in like 1997 or what ever





Posted by: Jake in ID at January 12, 2013 11:34 PM (jfSqj)

264
Are they planning to stab them to death, - how does that work?

Posted by: Fritz at January 12, 2013 10:11 PM (w3+gB)


they will use fruit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piWCBOsJr-w

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 12, 2013 11:37 PM (Vk2pI)

265 I don't wear Levis or Dockers after the donated...

You mean I can't wear pants? Oh, yeah. Wrong place to ask that question...

Posted by: t-bird at January 12, 2013 11:38 PM (FcR7P)

266 I think they made a mistake
Posted by: The Jackhole on Ventura Highway at January 12, 2013 11:31 PM (/7Xis)


gun peeps have a long memory

Dicks chose the wrong side and will suffer the consequenses.


I don't wear Levis or Dockers after the donated to The Brady Bunch of Gun Control in like 1997 or what ever





Posted by: Jake in ID at January 12, 2013 11:34 PM (jfSqj)
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I won't drink Pepsi after they altered their logo to look more like Obama's logo and I won't drink Absolut Vodka after their ad showing the western US as part of Mexico.

Posted by: Dan Dierdorf at January 12, 2013 11:38 PM (jucos)

267 249--- "...from what I understand the Spanish killed every north american indian in Argentina,..."
Posted by: Jake in ID at January 12, 2013 11:25 PM (jfSqj)

The area was sparsely populated to begin with, much more like the USA than like Mexico or Peru, e.g., which had high populations. Many of the natives died from disease, others in wars with the settlers. It was the usual stuff, sad and sometimes callous, but not a deliberate policy of extermination.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 12, 2013 11:38 PM (C8mVl)

268 Posted by: Dan Dierdorf at January 12, 2013 11:38 PM (jucos)
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Sock fail. The point still stands

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 12, 2013 11:39 PM (jucos)

269 @264 Is that Cleese character the one who killed those Norwegian Socialists?
He scares me.

Posted by: Thorvald at January 12, 2013 11:40 PM (1V6Pv)

270 Hey, hey hey...kittehs.

Here's the one that owns me, again.

http://tinyurl.com/bjx6bme


Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 12, 2013 11:40 PM (xjpRj)

271 I can't afford to scope these rifles now, but in due time.

Posted by: The Jackhole on Ventura Highway at January 12, 2013 11:40 PM (/7Xis)

272 140
That is phenomenal by Ruger. Everyone go do that right freaking now. The US government is required to log every single piece of constituent/comment mail. My first job with the Forest Service was logging those damn comment cards from the Sierra Club etc over the Clinton roadless initiative. I spent four months doing nothing else but writing down unique sender and side of the issue. The only thing that matters is the letter hits certain points and has a unique sender. So multiple letters sent from a unique sender only count as a single response. The same letter sent by a million unique senders counts as one million responses. It's how environmentalists game the system. Ruger has someone very smart working for them.

Posted by: Exasperated Expat at January 12, 2013 11:40 PM (gkfSV)

273 Actually I'd prefer that the Brits pre-emptively invade Argentina and reclaim Patagonia as the real New South Wales (which it is). But Cameron's a pussy.

Posted by: boulder hobo, who has to fall back on the Texans now at January 12, 2013 10:20 PM (QTHTd)


We'll split it with them 60%:60%

Posted by: Zombie Agusto Pinochet at January 12, 2013 11:42 PM (Vk2pI)

274 @262

Tell me it's a lagavulin or maybe a caol Ila?

Tell you what my boy you share some of yours and we'll crack open a benriach 36 I've been itching to get a taste of.

Posted by: General Woundwort at January 12, 2013 11:42 PM (hfB0k)

275 @272 The problem is that our side hasn't enshrined the Death to Socialism part of our Declaration/Constitution.
Can't count on McCain/Romney for that, obviously.

Posted by: Thorvald at January 12, 2013 11:43 PM (1V6Pv)

276 I can't afford to scope these rifles now, but in due time.
Posted by: The Jackhole on Ventura Highway at January 12, 2013 11:40 PM (/7Xis)

that SPS tactical would be something to look into.

I'm not a fan of skinny barreled hunting rifles, better than no rifle but




Posted by: Jake in ID at January 12, 2013 11:47 PM (jfSqj)

277 hope Chile helps us out on this. The Argie Bargies always did have a populist fascist streak. If they get those islands they'll be looking for the next convenient grievance.
Posted by: boulder hoboNot only that, but that bitch Cristina Kirchner is Eva Peron with a bad make up job. Fucking unforgiveable. However, she does make Hill Clintonlook like one of the defensive ends on the Ravens.

Posted by: Cheri at January 12, 2013 11:04 PM (EAgmr)


If Chile jumps in, I could see a continent-wide war breaking out. Bolivia would jump on Chile with the help of Venezuela and Ecuador, which themselves might jump on Columbia. If they have initial success, than I could see Brazil joining in and dragging Paraguay and Uruguay with it, in order to remain BMOC (big man on the continent). Peru, Guyana, Suriname, and French Guyana will probably try to hide.

If that happens I could see Niceragua go after Hondouras and/or Costa Rica (the later does not have a military)... with Cuba helping out.

Obama will probably do what we all expect him to do. Many Caribbean islands will become communist as a result.

This wouldn't end well...

Posted by: Zombie Agusto Pinochet at January 12, 2013 11:47 PM (Vk2pI)

278
From 1940 to 2008 There Were 157 People Who Fell Out of a Plane During a Crash Without a Parachute and Lived

http://tinyurl.com/aw7k8qc

Posted by: Gmac - Waiting for the revolution at January 12, 2013 11:47 PM (IanLz)

279 When I hear the name Patagonia I think of clothing worn by pretentious people.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at January 12, 2013 11:49 PM (NzBQO)

280 General, it's just the GlenLivet. Bu better than the $20 blended I usually quaff down. I bought single malt for the FIRST time this December to celebrate the Mayan apocalypse. Just for grins don't you know. My problem is, I open a bottle, and it doesn't survive too many days. I would love to get a taste of something really classic.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 12, 2013 11:50 PM (4Mv1T)

281 Don't worry, the Boys From Brazil will straighten everything out in South America.

Posted by: Gregory Peck at January 12, 2013 11:50 PM (BAS5M)

282 Anyway...13? What's the significance of 13? Sabbath has had way more than 13 studio albums but not nearly 13 albums featuring Ozzy.

I don't get it.

Posted by: Robert at January 12, 2013 11:06 PM (LUnTP)


It is sutdio album #13 if you exclude the Glenn Hughes/Tony Martin albums.

Of course, that would also include Ozzy-era abomination "Technical Ecstasy"...

Posted by: The Political Hat \m/ at January 12, 2013 11:52 PM (Vk2pI)

283 Don't worry, the Boys From Brazil will straighten everything out in South America.

Posted by: Gregory Peck at January 12, 2013 11:50 PM (BAS5M)


A little mood music:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6_zsJ8KPP0

Posted by: The Political Hat \m/ at January 12, 2013 11:53 PM (Vk2pI)

284 I'm not a fan of skinny barreled hunting rifles, better than no rifle but

Posted by: Jake in ID at January 12, 2013 11:47 PM (jfSqj)


The only real problems are rapid fire heat management and you can;t use it as a prybar.

They are light, though.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 12, 2013 11:53 PM (bxiXv)

285 Just watched that Preppers show for the first time tonight. What utter bullshit, the experts give no valuable info and the people on it either have tons oh dough for bunkers or are just flat out nuts. Some info can be gleaned but it seems more like the show is set up like hoarders to make fun of these people.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 12, 2013 11:53 PM (qo244)

286 275
I'm a strong adherent to the making the wrong people do the right thing philosophy. Mccain would've been better than TFG and Romney especially would've been better. We would be talking about spending cuts and tax reform with both of them right now rather than trillion dollar coins and how much leeway executive orders have in curtailing rights. Too many on the right are falling into the same trap as the libertarians. Never let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Best way to fight back is co opt the methods and systems of the left for our purposes and beliefs. That s what Ruger is paying for you to do.

Posted by: Exasperated Expat at January 12, 2013 11:53 PM (gkfSV)

287 Jake in ID. I got that cheap 1-4x scope and put it on the EBG. I can't believe what they still put together in the China for no money. To look at it, and handle it you'd thing it cost $1000. We'll see if it holds together long enough to get it zeroed.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 12, 2013 11:54 PM (4Mv1T)

288 Nevermind when Paranoid came out my oldest sister wasn't even yet an itch in dad's pants, but that's besides the point.

I want a time machine.

Posted by: Robert at January 12, 2013 11:12 PM (LUnTP)


Speaking of "Time Machine," here is "Time Machine" by Beggar's Opera:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgaQb8_TgtU

Posted by: The Political Hat \m/ at January 12, 2013 11:54 PM (Vk2pI)

289 140 Ruger has an easy way to show the weasels in the capital how you feel about the 2nd Amendment:
http://www.ruger.com/micros/advocacy/takeAction.html
Posted by: bill-o at January 12, 2013 10:48 PM (AWwDY)


Also, everybody do this.

I saw it earlier and was going to post it, but bill-o got it first.

I wish I could alter the wording a little bit, there's probably somebody that has a "spam them all" thing but I don't know where.

It may be that letters or calls have more impact, but they take more time during the busy parts of your day. This takes a minute for all of them.

Not that my senators or the P or VP will listen, but they might be counting.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 12, 2013 11:55 PM (bxiXv)

290
@ 213 SALT LAKE CITY – A Utah businessman accused of running a fraudulent $350 million software scheme says the state attorney general arranged a deal to pay Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to make a federal investigation into the software business disappear.
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Saw that earlier. As much as I dislike Reid and would love to see him removed from office, and as much as I suspect he's corrupt, the link is too tenuous to do anything with right now. And I suspect that isn't going to change. A guy being busted for unrelated charges claims he paid a Republican official to have Reid make the investigation go away. The official claims it never happened (of course).Even if the guy's claims are true, there's no way to tell if the official actually tried to get Reid involved or was just claiming more influence than he had.

Posted by: junior at January 12, 2013 11:55 PM (ezcIS)

291 What the hell? MY WIFE LOOKS FORWARD TO CATURDAY!!!!

WHERE IS THE CATURDAY?????

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at January 12, 2013 11:56 PM (3PHCO)

292 Hey, Tobacco Road, I saw Johnny and Edgar live with Rick Derringer on the Tobacco Road Tour. First time I ever saw a disco ball and a laser. Still recovering.

Posted by: Pecan Scandi at January 12, 2013 11:56 PM (O4hDA)

293 Bill-o and Expat are correct. Ruger makes it easy to get a letter to your representatives, senators, and the mod squad in the WH.

Ruger dot come. You can look up all your reps, and send the letter. Ruger only had 78K when I just fired mine off, they need more like 7.8MM, or at least 700K

Make it count.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 12, 2013 11:57 PM (4Mv1T)

294 And the only way to scare the crap out of politicians is to show them there are consequences at the voting booth for being a squish. Ask Orrin Hatch how Mike Lee booting Robert Bennett felt. it made him cone out of his hole and ya know listen for once even if it was just to get re elected. It's like that article up on instapundit said 'politicians are afraid of gun carrying men walking down the street because they are about to commit an act of voting'.

Posted by: Exasperated Expat at January 12, 2013 11:58 PM (gkfSV)

295 I'm not a fan of skinny barreled hunting rifles, better than no rifle but



Posted by: Jake in ID at January 12, 2013 11:47 PM (jfSqj)


A colleague of mine makes upmarket stocks and barrels for Remington 700s and 10-22s. He takes a bull barrel and Ram EDMs a honeycomb pattern into them. The result is a stiffer, 65% lighter and more heat resistant barrel.

Posted by: Beto at January 12, 2013 11:58 PM (BAnPT)

296 291 What the hell? MY WIFE LOOKS FORWARD TO CATURDAY!!!!

WHERE IS THE CATURDAY?????

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at January 12, 2013 11:56 PM (3PHCO)


http://icanhas.cheezburger.com/

http://cuteoverload.com/

http://www.funnycatpix.com/

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 12, 2013 11:58 PM (bxiXv)

297 13 was the number of Colonies here when our Founders wrote the Declaration of Independence, fought with their lives for our county and would turn over in their graves if they could see what this republic has become.

I get so annoyed when people call this country a democracy. To paraphrase Ben Franklin "it's a republic, if you can keep it" and it looks like we've lost it.

Posted by: CarolT at January 12, 2013 11:59 PM (z4WKX)

298 Just cause
Black Sabbath - Fairies Wear Bootshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-uiGb-UwdM

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 12, 2013 11:59 PM (qo244)

299 @280

There are really good single malts that can be had at a reasonable price.

Bowmore 12 can be had at $40 and a caol Ila can be had at $50 which is a steal at that price.

The lagavulins and Ardbergs will push it up a little $70-$75 but the difference can be night and day. And worth every penny.

Now a benriach 36 will set you back a grand but that's a special occasion tipple.

Might have to make up a special occasion.

Posted by: General Woundwort at January 12, 2013 11:59 PM (hfB0k)

300 Pecan- THAT is awesome. My VW had an 8 track player hooked to two cheap speaker cabinets from two Sears Roebuck guitar amplifiers in the back seat. One 12" speaker, and one 10". I could take them out and set them on the roof.

Had both Winter brothers on tape, didn't have Rick Derringer, but he played on the radio twice an hour.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 13, 2013 12:01 AM (4Mv1T)

301 I didn't look up Argentinian strength; their money is still worthless,
their government is still corrupt, oppressive and socialist, and they
still produce F1 drivers.


Not in quite some time.

Can't even remember the last one ... Esteban Tuero maybe?

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 13, 2013 12:01 AM (ijHK0)

302 The result is a stiffer, 65% lighter and more heat resistant barrel.

Posted by: Beto at January 12, 2013 11:58 PM (BAnPT)


First of all I *LURV* fluted / modified barrels. They are *almost* everything they are claimed to be.

They aren't stiffer than a full-diameter bull barrel, you know, outside diameter of the fluted part.

They *are* stiffer than a barrel of the same *weight* and a smaller diameter. i.e. they lose less stiffness than just turning the barrel down to a smaller diameter.

But without changing the material, they're not stiffer than before the material was removed, because physics.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 13, 2013 12:02 AM (bxiXv)

303
France is 10% moslem, and who they are bombing in Maili, are moslems





going to be interesting









Posted by: Jake in ID at January 12, 2013 11:19 PM (jfSqj)

If the "youths" in France car-b-que, their economy will sky rocket!!!

Posted by: Paul Krugman at January 13, 2013 12:02 AM (Zd/NW)

304 I can't afford to scope these rifles now, but in due time.

***

Check out Bushnell Trophy scopes
effing amazing for $125
The rings will cost a bundle for three rifles.

Posted by: Beto at January 13, 2013 12:02 AM (BAnPT)

305 Exasperated Expat at January 12, 2013 11:58 PM (gkfSV)

That's a perfect way to put it, but here in MA republicans are all squishes, like Romney, Scott Brown etc.

Posted by: CarolT at January 13, 2013 12:02 AM (z4WKX)

306 290 @ 213 SALT LAKE CITY – A Utah businessman accused of running a fraudulent $350 million software scheme says the state attorney general arranged a deal to pay Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to make a federal investigation into the software business disappear.------------------------Saw that earlier. As much as I dislike Reid and would love to see him removed from office, and as much as I suspect he's corrupt, the link is too tenuous to do anything with right now. And I suspect that isn't going to change. A guy being busted for unrelated charges claims he paid a Republican official to have Reid make the investigation go away. The official claims it never happened (of course).Even if the guy's claims are true, there's no way to tell if the official actually tried to get Reid involved or was just claiming more influence than he had.
Posted by: junior at January 12, 2013 11:55 PM (ezcIS)

Maybe someone has been holding this one for a reason. If only we had journalists that did their job, huh!

Posted by: lou's a girl at January 13, 2013 12:03 AM (adaoe)

307 Eight hours on the road back home tomorrow. Bummer. See you Sunday night, horde.

Posted by: joncelli on vacation at January 13, 2013 12:03 AM (0SuaJ)

308 The rings will cost a bundle for three rifles.

Posted by: Beto at January 13, 2013 12:02 AM (BAnPT)


Good rings can be hard to buy because there are *sooo* many cheap ones available, but for $10 you don't get QC and proper alignment and even pressure etc.

It's *so* tempting but you can wreck your scope with alignment problems. Probably not likely, I never did, but it *can* happen.

I've seen rings at gun shows that *visibly* don't line up properly when assembled.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 13, 2013 12:05 AM (bxiXv)

309 Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 13, 2013 12:02 AM

It's the honeycomb pattern. He tested it for deflection and Viola', It deflects less.

Posted by: Beto at January 13, 2013 12:06 AM (BAnPT)

310 But without changing the material, they're not stiffer than before the material was removed, because physics.>>

There may be some minimal stiffness difference but just like drilling holes in cross members of a plane to decrease weight those ribs more than pay for themselves in any weapon you do anything but range shoot.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 13, 2013 12:06 AM (qo244)

311 If the "youths" in France car-b-que, their economy will sky rocket!!!
Posted by: Paul Krugman at January 13, 2013 12:02 AM (Zd/NW)

That cracked me up!

Posted by: CarolT at January 13, 2013 12:06 AM (z4WKX)

312 Black Sabbath - Fairies Wear Bootshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-uiGb-UwdM

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 12, 2013 11:59 PM (qo244)


They were basically calling a bunch of racist skinheads gay.

Probably couldn't get away with a song like that now-a-days.

Posted by: The Political Hat \m/ at January 13, 2013 12:07 AM (Vk2pI)

313 I didn't look up Argentinian strength; their money is still worthless,

their government is still corrupt, oppressive and socialist, and they

still produce F1 drivers.


The Brazilians turn out the F1 drivers by the bushel, as do the Germans.


Must be something that ties these two together, but I just can't put my finger on it.

Posted by: MrCaniac at January 13, 2013 12:07 AM (Zd/NW)

314 I've seen rings at gun shows that *visibly* don't line up properly when assembled.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 13, 2013 12:05 AM (bxiXv)

I know better than to buy cheap mounts.

Posted by: The Jackhole on Ventura Highway at January 13, 2013 12:08 AM (/7Xis)

315 I would love to see a dedicated web page listing who we shouldn't buy from and why

Posted by: Jean at January 13, 2013 12:08 AM (DRG6e)

316
"Is bunghole reamer one of the jobs? As I kid, I had no idea it was an actual profession, I thought it was something made up like turd burglar or shitstabber."
I enjoy, with my grandkids, Bunghole (Sapsago) cheese grated into some Philly cheese on a cracker. We call it Grampa's stinky cheese. My own kids and wife, however, will not indulge.

Back to catching up with the ONT. More inane commentary to follow.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at January 13, 2013 12:08 AM (JKNDp)

317 Since we're going on a Sab kick tonight, here is "Symptom of the Universe" from their underrated masterpiece, Sabotage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdArTrE2rcg

Posted by: The Political Hat \m/ at January 13, 2013 12:09 AM (Vk2pI)

318 Just to mix it up

Beastie Boys - Sabotage



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5rRZdiu1UE

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 13, 2013 12:10 AM (qo244)

319 308
I'm a big fan of Weaver but I still take them into the shop, face the lugs on the surface grinder, bolt them together on a shim and jig bore the cylinders.
Re-bluing is easy

Posted by: Beto at January 13, 2013 12:11 AM (BAnPT)

320
I see on Drudge that the UK is making plans for the Falklands. Plans that don't involve surrender, thankfully.
I do hope the Brits aren't silly enough to share their plans with TFG.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at January 13, 2013 12:11 AM (JKNDp)

321 Argentina has a pretty good rugby team actually. England does as well (Obviously).

Posted by: Ed Wood VS Godzilla at January 13, 2013 12:11 AM (obHYs)

322 The only real problems are rapid fire heat management and you can;t use it as a prybar.

They are light, though.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 12, 2013 11:53 PM (bxiXv)


true, but after 2 shots your POI will change

Posted by: Jake in ID at January 13, 2013 12:13 AM (jfSqj)

323 The Brazilians turn out the F1 drivers by the bushel, as do the Germans.


Must be something that ties these two together, but I just can't put my finger on it.
Posted by: MrCaniac at January 13, 2013 12:07 AM (Zd/NW)

Being from Brizistol County, Rhode Island, I have no idea what you are talking about.

Posted by: Doctor Krieger at January 13, 2013 12:13 AM (obHYs)

324 Horde be well, and sleep sound!
Good Night.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 13, 2013 12:14 AM (4Mv1T)

325 . We'll see if it holds together long enough to get it zeroed.
Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 12, 2013 11:54 PM (4Mv1T)


sweet!




Posted by: Jake in ID at January 13, 2013 12:14 AM (jfSqj)

326 It's the honeycomb pattern. He tested it for deflection and Viola', It deflects less.
Posted by: Beto at January 13, 2013 12:06 AM (BAnPT)


It Is Totally Worth Doing without regard to this but basically what you're saying is that less material resists mechanical force more than more material.

If this does in fact work as you suggest, dude needs to contact MIT stat.

Unfortunately this argument happens *every time* fluting is discussed on the internet, I think it's rule 43 or 47 - and odd number, anyway.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 13, 2013 12:15 AM (bxiXv)

327 Beto...I have one of Trophy Bushnells on a .17... I was surprised how nice it is

Posted by: The Jackhole on Ventura Highway at January 13, 2013 12:17 AM (/7Xis)

328 I think it's rule 43 or 47 - and odd number, anyway.
****
The EDM work hardens the 17-4. That's the trick.

Posted by: Beto at January 13, 2013 12:19 AM (BAnPT)

329 Skinny barreled rifles kill deer just fine... and don't weigh 12 pounds out walkin

Posted by: The Jackhole on Ventura Highway at January 13, 2013 12:21 AM (/7Xis)

330 The "frumpy killer from SMERSH" in "From Russia with Love" was played by Lotte Lenya.

Posted by: Fox2! at January 13, 2013 12:21 AM (1Qpmy)

331 It Is Totally Worth Doing without regard to this but basically what
you're saying is that less material resists mechanical force more than
more material.
>>

So designing for weight and price are non consequential. I can bolt a 10 inch barrel to a table and it will hit the same spot every time. But as a designer I need to look at real world constraints for use. Bull barrels are used in most range competitions but they aren't handed out to ground pounders hell even snipers chose the lighter weight depending on mission.

Case in point the longest kill IIRC was made by this

http://www.mcmfamily.com/mcmillan-rifles-tactical-tac-50.php

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 13, 2013 12:22 AM (qo244)

332 I cut this from a piece at The Weekly Standard, while my subscription is still active, titled A Little Man for A Big Job, it's about Harry Reid.
I love this part, Reid's assistant yelled at TFG:

Not even President Obama has escaped the wrath of Reid​Ń​or, to be more precise, that of ReidŐs minion Krone. As Bob Woodward recounted in his book on the debt-ceiling negotiations of 2011, The Price of Politics, Krone traveled with Reid to the White House that summer during the intense debate over extending the debt limit. In the Oval Office, Reid began explaining the outline of a $2.7 trillion debt limit extension before turning it over to Krone to explain the details. ReidŐs plan included another round of defense cuts that John Boehner and Mitch McConnell had Ňsecretly pledged to honor.Ó Obama dismissed the idea, saying he didnŐt trust Boehner and McConnell. Krone, Woodward writes, Ňeither would not or could not conceal his angerÓ at the president:










Posted by: CarolT at January 13, 2013 12:22 AM (z4WKX)

333 305
Republican squishes are the worst king because when push comes to shove its position over principle. Someone mentioned it a few nights ago about dems voting for Obamacare in spite of certain electoral defeat. Republicans faced the same thing in 06 and what did we get? Nada. That's principle. Republicans caving in 06 and 08 was about maintaining position. It's one thing to squish on peripheral things its another to squish on the big stuff. See Snowe Collins Specter Hatch Graham Bennett Hagel Brown. We need to elect whoever we can but ensure they hold the line on spending guns and civil liberty. Republicans have failed on that for over a decade and its time to make them sweat over it IN PRIMARIES.

Posted by: Exasperated Expat at January 13, 2013 12:22 AM (gkfSV)

334 The EDM work hardens the 17-4. That's the trick.

Posted by: Beto at January 13, 2013 12:19 AM (BAnPT)


So essentially something was wrong with the original, which is now corrected. Which is a good thing.

Dumping heat is the main point, anyway, that's the main reason for fluting / dimpling / etc.

Honestly I would make a heavy AR barrel that looks like a heatsink and has fans on it, just for fun, if I had the money.

I've seen a few benchrest rifles with attached heatsinks on the barrel.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 13, 2013 12:23 AM (bxiXv)

335 I have one of Trophy Bushnells on a .17... I was surprised how nice it is

Posted by: The Jackhole on Ventura Highway at January 13, 2013 12:17 AM

I was so pleased with the one I put on a, Pre-Garcia, Sako .243 I thought Id see what their better scopes were like and bought an Elite with a Firefly Reticle.
Better than any other scope south of $800
Euro glass it's not but damned impressive coatings and function.

Posted by: Beto at January 13, 2013 12:26 AM (BAnPT)

336 Howdy, all! Went to the fish meeting but bailed after the speaker.

Posted by: cthulhu at January 13, 2013 12:26 AM (kaalw)

337 213
Swallow is a real douche. He made some pretty hard enemies in the primary. Accused a guy of theft, extortion and blackmail. Wouldn't put it past him to have at least tried to sell his access and with Reid's history where there is smoke there's fire. There is more blatant Reid corruption in the whole Tonopah Solar Company subsidy or the Laughlin bridge property scandal or the Boulder City BLM land swap deal.

Posted by: Exasperated Expat at January 13, 2013 12:27 AM (gkfSV)

338 Skinny barreled rifles kill deer just fine... and don't weigh 12 pounds out walkin
Posted by: The Jackhole on Ventura Highway at January 13, 2013 12:21 AM (/7Xis)


that is true, but in my world I shoot 60 to 80 rounds per day

I do have 2 skinny barrelled hunting rifles that do really well for what I use them for






Posted by: Jake in ID at January 13, 2013 12:27 AM (jfSqj)

339 So designing for weight and price are non consequential.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 13, 2013 12:22 AM (qo244)


Not at all. Some people see the point as trivial, I think allowing bad ideas about physics and materials to spread is not trivial.

I mean, seriously, half the posts on gun boards are huge repeat arguments that are either never settled because no one tests it or they were settled a hundred years ago and no one ever checks.

Fluting is a good thing, and it has advantages, but removing material from a heavy barrel of a set diameter doesn't make it *stiffer* unless, as Beto says above, you're heat- or mechanically-treating an untreated barrel.

But 9/10 of discussions of fluting involve at some point saying it's stiffer, just like 9/10 of the gun quote collections contain the fake-as-Hell Yamamato quote.

Call me e pedant, whatever.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 13, 2013 12:28 AM (bxiXv)

340 I did not recall correctly (well the record was broken anyways). But the point stands the longest sniper kill was done with a fluted rifle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Accuracy_International_AWM_338.jpg

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 13, 2013 12:29 AM (qo244)

341 The only good thing to come out of Argentina recently happened in 2010. That is when Germany got the very poor condition 16mm negative copy of the complete 1927 Metropolis Berlin premiere.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 13, 2013 12:31 AM (znavB)

342 287 Told you papi

Posted by: DAve at January 13, 2013 12:31 AM (XDC0v)

343 Exasperated Expat at January 13, 2013 12:22 AM (gkfSV)

I was horrified during debt ceiling one weekend in the summer of 2011. It was early in the day, I was getting ready to go outside to my rose garden. I had television on, Reid introduced a bill, that no one voted for, with the exception of Scott Brown, he jumped right up. Reid didn't even vote for his own empty bill!
After Dodd/Frank and that I lost any bit of faith I had in Scott Brown. He lost here in MA because we do have some very conservative people that call the local radio shows that were PO'd at the many times Brown voted with the dems. If he ran as a conservative he might have kept his seat. I believe it was the most expensive senate race in the country.

Scott can't be a "Scott Brown" republican as he calls it. I'm 95% sure he was the lone republican to vote Yay for Romneycare. It would have happened anyway but Romney and Brown should have stayed the hell away from it.

I'm sure that the author of Romneycare did not help the R nominee this year and Christie that fat slob slobbering all over TFG in NJ didn't help!

I admit I am pissed off!

Posted by: CarolT at January 13, 2013 12:32 AM (z4WKX)

344 Alyson Hannigan revolutionized the field.

Posted by: Self Cleaning Flautist at January 13, 2013 12:33 AM (I88Jc)

345 But 9/10 of discussions of fluting involve at some point saying it's stiffer>>

I agree with you there which is why I included the 10' barrel point. Design is about function for a purpose. If bull barrels offered no advantage they wouldn't win competitions. If people didn't have to hump their rifles for miles there would be no fluting. So I guess I'm as much of a pendant as you but misread your point.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 13, 2013 12:35 AM (qo244)

346 I have one of Trophy Bushnells on a .17... I was surprised how nice it is

Posted by: The Jackhole on Ventura Highway at January 13, 2013 12:17 AM


I have one also, the only thing I don't like are the adjustment knobs, everything else is very nice




fortunately , the way I have it set up, Idon'r need to mess with the turrest much







Posted by: Jake in ID at January 13, 2013 12:36 AM (jfSqj)

347 So I guess I'm as much of a pendant as you but misread your point.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 13, 2013 12:35 AM (qo244)


Just like the other 9/10 of the internet discussions.

http://cheezburger.com/46570753

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 13, 2013 12:36 AM (bxiXv)

348 Don't fool me with your Cheezburger ways Lord Merovign.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 13, 2013 12:38 AM (znavB)

349 Call me a pedant, whatever.
****
These stainless barrels that are so popular now are not particularly tough compared to a 4130 or 4340 Cr-Mo steel. In fact stainless, with the exception of 17-4 and 321 is ridiculously soft and prone to mechanical failure. It's primarily corrosion resistant and not that resistant to boot. ( with the exception of 17-4 and 321 )
The only good thing about a 17-4 barrel is the fact it can be hardened pretty damned hard due to the chromium content

I used to make barrels for Navy mini guns. We made those out of Stellite
Baddest metal on earth

Posted by: Beto at January 13, 2013 12:39 AM (BAnPT)

350 Just like the other 9/10 of the internet discussions. >>

I believe during prohibition the number was 8/10.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 13, 2013 12:40 AM (qo244)

351 Fluting is a good thing, and it has advantages, but removing material from a heavy barrel of a set diameter doesn't make it *stiffer* unless, as Beto says above, you're heat- or mechanically-treating an untreated barrel.

But 9/10 of discussions of fluting involve at some point saying it's stiffer, just like 9/10 of the gun quote collections contain the fake-as-Hell Yamamato quote.

Call me e pedant, whatever.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 13, 2013 12:28 AM (bxiXv)



The reason the US army does not shoot fluted barrels is that mud and gunk get in the flutes and affect accuracy



fyi






Posted by: Jake in ID at January 13, 2013 12:41 AM (jfSqj)

352 348 Don't fool me with your Cheezburger ways Lord Merovign.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 13, 2013 12:38 AM (znavB)


No fooling!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 13, 2013 12:43 AM (bxiXv)

353 Just like the other 9/10 of the internet discussions. >>

I believe during prohibition the number was 8/10.


I've seen them go to 11 in this forum when expounding on Long Bows.

Posted by: Beto at January 13, 2013 12:44 AM (BAnPT)

354 The reason the US army does not shoot fluted barrels is that mud and gunk get in the flutes and affect accuracy

Posted by: Jake in ID at January 13, 2013 12:41 AM (jfSqj)


I am trying to figure out how mud in a 1/4" wide 1/8" deep "ditch" on a barrel would affect accuracy. I admit it never occurred to me before.

I thought it was because they cost more and the lowest bidder gets the contract.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 13, 2013 12:44 AM (bxiXv)

355 So it looks official, BHO's 2nd term has turned us morons into a bunch of gun nuts compared to the asshatttery of the first term







anyone?






Posted by: Jake in ID at January 13, 2013 12:44 AM (jfSqj)

356 343
I'm completely with you. Instead of LIB I'm let them choke on it. Make them own it and stop being the adult. Sometime the kid has to burn themselves to learn the stove is hot. They should've make the dems eat it and override the Romney veto. Instead they listened to their buddies in the insurance industry and congress (Mike Leavitt and Bib Bennett) and conservatized it. Now it's a steaming pile of obamaspeak. I'm a firm believer Romney won the center, center left and center right but lost the right and thus the election. Until republicans everywhere have certain principles they are unwilling to sacrifice they will be road kill. If a hard core democrat can win in utah or Arkansas a hard core republican should be able to win in Oregon or New York. It's about having the courage to play your cards when they matter. No repubtards have that courage.

Posted by: Exasperated Expat at January 13, 2013 12:45 AM (gkfSV)

357 I've seen them go to 11 in this forum when expounding on Long Bows.

Posted by: Beto at January 13, 2013 12:44 AM (BAnPT)


Or Cornbread.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 13, 2013 12:45 AM (l86i3)

358 I'll play some more ...

Barrel fluting: Lilja ( http://www.riflebarrels.com/ ) has many articles on barrel-making, and one on fluting.

Generally, for a given diameter, a solid barrel is stiffer than a fluted one, in every direction. If the diameter and material thicknesses are small enough, then other factors might become large enough to make a difference. I think this might work for pellet guns, not modern rifles.

For a given weight, a fluted barrel is generally stiffer, in all directions. Visualize the design effort at the CAD system, where, essentially, the material from each groove is piled up on one side, increasing the effective diameter. Once the design is settled, the specified barrel is made.

The effective diameter is less than the outside diameter, as there is missing material (and therefore missing strength) that must be accounted for.

The fluting does aid in heat dissipation, but not by much: .075" grooves are minimal, 2" deep grooves would really make a difference.

A very much better way to increase barrel stiffness is to use a blocked barrel design: clamp the barrel (and recoil lug) between 2 custom-machined plates, so the receiver floats. connect the stock to the plates. A flexible, almost whippy, 26" barrel, in a 10" clamp becomes a very inflexible 16" barrel. The site includes an article or two discussing this design.

Note that steel hardness makes almost no difference to stiffness. It does matter for strength (chamber pressure limit, etc.). A cast 1020 steel beam will be just as stiff as a forged, quenched and tempered D-2 Steel one, but given an increasing load, the 1020 beam will take a set and eventually break under much less load than the D-2 beam.

To get a stiffer barrel, the material must change. Replacing steel with commercially pure molybdenum is one way. Using a steel liner in a carbon fiber tube (and managing the heat issues) is another.

Posted by: Arbalest at January 13, 2013 12:45 AM (fQxC9)

359 The best band I ever saw was blue oyster cult and the best concert I ever saw was BOC and zebra at radio city music hall.

My hearing was shot for a week.

Posted by: General Woundwort at January 12, 2013 11:28 PM (hfB0k)


Best concert I was ever at was Danzig at the old Irivne Meadows amphitheater on Halloween.

Type O Negative was one of the opening bands.

I was jumping over the illegal bonfires and tossing men three times my size in the mosh pit.

It was awesome.

Posted by: The Political Hat \m/ at January 13, 2013 12:46 AM (Vk2pI)

360 355 So it looks official, BHO's 2nd term has turned us morons into a bunch of gun nuts compared to the asshatttery of the first term

Posted by: Jake in ID at January 13, 2013 12:44 AM (jfSqj)


I've been there an awful long time.

I think I was one of the people Ace was referring to as a "gun dick" back during the beginning of the FandF scandal coverup.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 13, 2013 12:46 AM (bxiXv)

361 The problem with a lot of the stainless barrels is they can only be work hardened. So you have to machine them in their hard state. There are other problems of residual stress due to work hardening also since getting them straight can be a bitch..

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 13, 2013 12:46 AM (qo244)

362 I am trying to figure out how mud in a 1/4" wide 1/8" deep "ditch" on a barrel would affect accuracy. I admit it never occurred to me before.


Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 13, 2013 12:44 AM (bxiXv)

Mero,
don't know all the details, but that is what I've heard






Posted by: Jake in ID at January 13, 2013 12:46 AM (jfSqj)

363 Or Cornbread.
****

Have you seen the statistics on Cornbread deaths in the United States? Shocking.

Posted by: Beto at January 13, 2013 12:47 AM (BAnPT)

364 Have you seen the statistics on Cornbread deaths in the United States? Shocking.
Posted by: Beto at January 13, 2013 12:47 AM (BAnPT)

It's important to break those statistics down. Were they choking hazards or projectiles.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 13, 2013 12:48 AM (l86i3)

365 Have you seen the statistics on Cornbread deaths in the United States? Shocking.
Posted by: Beto at January 13, 2013 12:47 AM (BAnPT)

It's important to break those statistics down. Were they choking hazards or projectiles.
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 13, 2013 12:48 AM (l86i3)


The real problem oftem goes unresolved. That's the death rate of newlywed women who try to put sugar in their MILs cornbread.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 13, 2013 12:50 AM (l86i3)

366 But can you fire cornbread from a longbow?

Nope Merovign, no fooling.

And with regards to Metropolis, MPPP and I were both right. How is that possible you say?

Rotwang cackles, "A hand is a small price to pay to recreate Hel! Want to see her?"

Joh Federsen agrees and follows Rotwang upstairs. There is the robot. And then Rotwang says "Give me 24 hours and no one will be able to tell Machine-Man from mortal."

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 13, 2013 12:50 AM (znavB)

367
250

Posted by: andycanuck at January 12, 2013 11:25 PM (ORGYc)

251

Posted by: AmishDude at January 12, 2013 11:26 PM (xSegX)

heh

Posted by: soothsayer at January 13, 2013 12:50 AM (vuIm8)

368 Note that steel hardness makes almost no difference to stiffness.>>

Now that is just bullshit. It may not matter to a gun barrels accuracy but steel hardness is very related to it's stiffness. My job (25+ years) is in metallography So I know a little on this subject.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 13, 2013 12:51 AM (qo244)

369 362 Uneven cooling?

Posted by: DAve at January 13, 2013 12:51 AM (XDC0v)

370 were the corn meal deaths caused by corn ball brothers? (joking, don't ban me)

Posted by: Thunderb at January 13, 2013 12:51 AM (Dnbau)

371 Were they choking hazards or projectiles.


Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon

Both. Projectile Cornbread of the Yellow Stone Ground variety is a killing machine

Posted by: Beto at January 13, 2013 12:52 AM (BAnPT)

372 354 Mero,

It's because procurement is the geniuses who thought the M-14 was a better rifle than the AR-10 despite being inferior in everything but "wood content" and less controllable in auto fire.

If there's a smart weapons system to be had the US Army will do everything it can to build the Sgt York.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 13, 2013 12:52 AM (LRFds)

373 369 Uneven expansion and contraction. Easy.

Posted by: DAve at January 13, 2013 12:52 AM (XDC0v)

374 Just had a screening of Idiocracy for Mrs. North. She didn't get it. She thought it was stupid.

I am very disappointed!

Posted by: Truman North at January 13, 2013 12:52 AM (I2LwF)

375 "My job (25+ years) is in metallography"

You outed yourself, Adam Curry!

Posted by: Ricki Sux!!11!! at January 13, 2013 12:53 AM (I88Jc)

376 were the corn meal deaths caused by corn ball brothers? (joking, don't ban me)
Posted by: Thunderb at January 13, 2013 12:51 AM (Dnbau)


Cornbread tragedies are regional more than racial.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 13, 2013 12:53 AM (l86i3)

377 Idiocracy IS a stupid movie. Its only when you connect the dots to the real world it goes from being stupid to being painful.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 13, 2013 12:54 AM (znavB)

378 196 Lou's a Girl,

How many "perfect soap operas" in the last decade?

I had a minor league baseball player friend tell me in the most serious I had ever seen him that referees get told by the league what match up they want for the big show.

Truth?

Dunno I just know they were all sucking Ray lewis'amigo the last two years hard.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 13, 2013 12:54 AM (LRFds)

379 How much does Poisson's Ratio, Young's modulus, etc., change when a bar of heat-treatable steel is heat treated? My recollection is ... not much. The Yield Strength changes considerably.

Posted by: Arbalest at January 13, 2013 12:55 AM (fQxC9)

380 Idiocracy IS a stupid movie. Its only when you connect the dots to the real world it goes from being stupid to being painful.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 13, 2013 12:54 AM (znavB)

Yep, I watched it, thought, thats stupid, then days later said, damn.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 13, 2013 12:55 AM (l86i3)

381 Idiocracy is not a comedy it is tragimentary....

that's us in less than a decade.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 13, 2013 12:55 AM (LRFds)

382
I never noticed how naked everyone was in the He Man cartoons.

It's on now if you've got the Qubo channel.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 13, 2013 12:55 AM (vzLhi)

383
Cornbread tragedies are regional more than racial.


***
I remember an old Crime Illustrated with pictures of the Macon HushPuppies Killer.

Posted by: Beto at January 13, 2013 12:56 AM (BAnPT)

384 380 OSP,

Obama has electrolytes....

indeed Free Shit Soldier....indeed

Posted by: sven10077 at January 13, 2013 12:56 AM (LRFds)

385 I think I was one of the people Ace was referring to as a "gun dick" back during the beginning of the FandF scandal coverup.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 13, 2013 12:46 AM (bxiXv)



Ace is the heat, but he still is 'frame-ed' on the East Coast.


So there is a certain understanding gap between East coasters generally an everyone else



ACE, no offernse






Posted by: Jake in ID at January 13, 2013 12:56 AM (jfSqj)

386 Posted by: DAve at January 13, 2013 12:51 AM (XDC0v)


maybe




Posted by: Jake in ID at January 13, 2013 12:57 AM (jfSqj)

387 Now RHPS, without a zany audience, if you watched it cold; well when Magenta is introduced you would be beating a path to the exit to punch the manager for a refund.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 13, 2013 12:57 AM (znavB)

388 ACE, no offernse


He doesn't take offense that I notice, he can teach as well as be taught.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 13, 2013 12:57 AM (l86i3)

389 You outed yourself, Adam Curry!>>

I also do X-ray but Madame Curie has been dead awhile so I'm pretty sure I'm not her.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 13, 2013 12:58 AM (qo244)

390 I saw an Aussie today eat his first hush puppy. It was magical.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 13, 2013 12:58 AM (yh0zB)

391 "I never noticed how naked everyone was in the He Man cartoons."


You could say it gave me a...boner.

Posted by: Skeletor, fully covered in not-gay spandex at January 13, 2013 12:58 AM (I88Jc)

392 385 Jake in ID,

they know a lot more than I do about navigating donkey corruption.....

I know a lot more about blowing up tanks, and avariable amount more on smal arms.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 13, 2013 12:58 AM (LRFds)

393 It's because procurement is the geniuses who thought the M-14 was a better rifle than the AR-10 despite being inferior in everything but "wood content" and less controllable in auto fire.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 13, 2013 12:52 AM (LRFds)


(Member of panel) So, the M14 is more like the Garand?"

(Whole panel) GARAND! GARAND! GARAND!

(Eugene Stoner) (headdesk)

Technically they were late to enter, but the composite barrel failure should not have put them out of the running as it was just a *daft* idea that was fixed immediately.

The FAL also lost and, I'm sorry M14 fans, it was better than the M14 too - though I'm not sure if all the upgrades were in place in 1955 that were standard later... so call that a provisional "better."

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 13, 2013 12:59 AM (bxiXv)

394 Hey GGE how was the cruising with the GT's top down?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 13, 2013 12:59 AM (znavB)

395 Idiocracy IS a stupid movie. Its only when you connect the dots to the real world it goes from being stupid to being painful.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 13, 2013 12:54 AM (znavB)


But Brawndo has electrolytes!

Posted by: Typical "Here Comes Honey Boo Boo" viewer at January 13, 2013 12:59 AM (Vk2pI)

396 Evenin' all.

For the cat deprived-

High speed/physics behind flipping cats


http://tinyurl.com/9flsqug

Posted by: RWC at January 13, 2013 12:59 AM (sqp6o)

397
Hey GGE how was the cruising with the GT's top down?


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 13, 2013 12:59 AM (znavB)



Glorious. http://tinyurl.com/am3cgkw

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 13, 2013 01:01 AM (yh0zB)

398 Anyone else notice the blatant hypocrisy in the difference in prosecution between Schwartz and Gregory? They drove the kid who created RSS(Schwartz)to suicide over hacking a distribution network that sells my stuff without compensating me and somehow Gregory walks. It's bullshit. Kid was a freaking Robin Hood in my opinion. Although I'm sure Glenn Beck will call him a thief. 90% of those nattering on about IP are freaking hypocrites. People who have made it and want to limit those are their way up.

http://m.guardiannews.com/commentisfree/2013/jan/12/aaron-swartz-heroism-suicide1

Posted by: Exasperated Expat at January 13, 2013 01:02 AM (gkfSV)

399 393 Mero,

I heard from very serious people at Aberdeen proving grounds they sabotaged the AR-10.

It was not the right projectile the design being superior to the T-33 notwithstanding, of course I also think the 5.56*45 was a poor choice and the brits or Swedes both had better ideas on projectile than .308/5/56

Imagine a 6.5*45 and a 6.5*55 team of ammo....


anyway I love our military, I look forward to the campfire in the sky...I even hope Ordnance branch and AGF gets visitation from hell so we can all kick their groins hourly.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 13, 2013 01:02 AM (LRFds)

400 That poor poor P-40N. What have they done to her?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 13, 2013 01:02 AM (znavB)

401 Although I'm sure Glenn Beck will call him a thief. 90% of those nattering on about IP are freaking hypocrites. People who have made it and want to limit those are their way up.


He was a thief. You ever hear the phrase two wrongs don't make a right?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 13, 2013 01:03 AM (l86i3)

402 377 Idiocracy IS a stupid movie. Its only when you connect the dots to the real world it goes from being stupid to being painful.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 13, 2013 12:54 AM (znavB)


I thought when I saw it that it was just a really bad implementation of CM Kornbluth's "Marching Morons" stories.

Kind of like setting a Honor Harrington story in modern London and filling it with dick and fart jokes.

It kind of gets the point across, but despite itself, not because of itself.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 13, 2013 01:03 AM (bxiXv)

403 hi all
had a great time tonite
what is everyone up to? about 8 beers?

Posted by: chemjeff at January 13, 2013 01:04 AM (BBWjt)

404 out

stay safe all





Posted by: Jake in ID at January 13, 2013 01:04 AM (jfSqj)

405 That poor poor P-40N. What have they done to her?


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 13, 2013 01:02 AM (znavB)



Fear not classic aircraft loving lass. It is but a replica. A not-quite lifesize model, if you will. It is part of a Flying Tiger memorial.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 13, 2013 01:05 AM (yh0zB)

406 what is everyone up to? about 8 beers?
Posted by: chemjeff at January 13, 2013 01:04 AM (BBWjt)


6 Brandy and Coke Zeros.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 13, 2013 01:05 AM (l86i3)

407 sorry T44 rifle....the prottype M-14....I keep getting it confused with the SVT-36 prototype name, it is amazing that we could have had the M-16 a decade earlier.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 13, 2013 01:05 AM (LRFds)

408 Good Night-
Seven 10077 and Exasperated Ex Pat.
I'm going to put something on demand until I fall asleep.
It's 1:04 am, it's really mooring but I don't count morning until it's light out.
Today is a new day and one less of TFG!

Posted by: CarolT at January 13, 2013 01:05 AM (z4WKX)

409 High speed/physics behind flipping cats

Posted by: RWC at January 13, 2013 12:59 AM (sqp6o)


http://youtu.be/7JvfjW8pFtM

Now with even more x-rays.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 13, 2013 01:05 AM (bxiXv)

410 Hey Anna!: http://tinyurl.com/ckh2fqn

Posted by: DAve at January 13, 2013 01:05 AM (XDC0v)

411 OSP awsum

Posted by: chemjeff at January 13, 2013 01:06 AM (BBWjt)

412 408 CarolT,

night-o....

buckle up and be safe.

I can't believe I am back on

Posted by: sven10077 at January 13, 2013 01:07 AM (LRFds)

413 That is reassuring to know because even as a 'replica' it seems they built a Lindburg kit and not Tamiya.

I have seen flyable 3/4 scale Ju-87 and P-51D before at airshows.

Merovign, for them to have read "Marching Morons" would have required them to well read.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 13, 2013 01:07 AM (znavB)

414 I heard from very serious people at Aberdeen proving grounds they sabotaged the AR-10.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 13, 2013 01:02 AM (LRFds)


The testers loved it, it was lighter, more accurate, lower recoil, and the controls were easier and faster to manipulate.

It is sad but I am hardly skeptical of that claim of sabotage.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 13, 2013 01:07 AM (bxiXv)

415 I would give my left nut for a P-40. I wouldn't care if I couldn't fly, I would park it in the fucking yard and party in it.

Posted by: Berserker at January 13, 2013 01:07 AM (FMbng)

416 "...about 8 beers? "

I hope you played the lottery today.

Posted by: Hal 9000, EM Spectrum Webcam at January 13, 2013 01:07 AM (I88Jc)

417 something tells me Mike Judge will become the future's version of Nostradamus with his movie Idiocracy

"whoa, you mean somebody actually predicted all of this? whoa"

Posted by: chemjeff at January 13, 2013 01:08 AM (BBWjt)

418 it is amazing that we could have had the M-16 a decade earlier.


Posted by: sven10077 at January 13, 2013 01:05 AM (LRFds)


And perhaps it could have been properly tested in field conditions without having to actually be in combat, and thus the problems with it could have been found earlier and there would have been more confidence in the weapon system by the men who had to employ it when the S hit the F.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 13, 2013 01:09 AM (yh0zB)

419

Ace is a funny and sharp guy.

I never understood his lousy taste in tv shows and people.

Big Bang Theory? SUCKS. It's one of the stupidest shows I've seen.

Ace also thinks Amy Poehler and Tina Fey are funny. I don't get it how he can think that crap is funny.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 13, 2013 01:09 AM (ZCAlb)

420 Posted by: soothsayer at January 13, 2013 01:09 AM (ZCAlb)

BBT makes me laugh. It's much of the former cast of Rosanne.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 13, 2013 01:10 AM (l86i3)

421
That is reassuring to know because even as a 'replica' it seems they built a Lindburg kit and not Tamiya.


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 13, 2013 01:07 AM (znavB)


The story I got is that it was built out of a junkyard out of scrap metal, hence the moniker "Junkyard Dog". Looks pretty good at first glance, though, and most folks wouldn't know the difference.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 13, 2013 01:11 AM (yh0zB)

422 Sobering little story in the extra material for the 2010 Metropolis Blu-Ray release.

1943 someone sees all the prisoners with their shaved heads and tattered uniforms. At Mauthausen concentration camp. Turns to someone else and asks 'Have you seen Metropolis?' and he is referring to the workers at the Moloch machine.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 13, 2013 01:11 AM (znavB)

423 90% of those nattering on about IP are freaking hypocrites.

Posted by: Exasperated Expat at January 13, 2013 01:02 AM (gkfSV)


That goes doubly for the "give me everything for free" IP crowd.

Yes, I know that's 180%.

Whatever the final settlement between the makers and the moochers is, the only prediction I'll make is that it will be Fucking Annoying.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 13, 2013 01:11 AM (bxiXv)

424 What's the difference nowadays between an AR-10 and an AR-15 fitted with a 7.62 upper?

Posted by: RWC at January 13, 2013 01:11 AM (sqp6o)

425 "whoa, you mean somebody actually predicted all of this? whoa"

Posted by: chemjeff at January 13, 2013 01:08 AM (BBWjt)


And his name was Cyril, not Mike.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 13, 2013 01:12 AM (bxiXv)

426 424 You can't put a .308 upper on an AR-15

Posted by: DAve at January 13, 2013 01:12 AM (XDC0v)

427 GGE, maybe I should scan in picture of the CAF P-40 then. Should have taken a close up of the tail. Has a GI taking a whizz on the Rising Sun painted on it.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 13, 2013 01:13 AM (znavB)

428 A variety of .300 uppers work on the -15 tho-

Posted by: DAve at January 13, 2013 01:14 AM (XDC0v)

429 424 What's the difference nowadays between an AR-10 and an AR-15 fitted with a 7.62 upper?
Posted by: RWC at January 13, 2013 01:11 AM (sqp6o)


Well, if you put a 7.62x51 upper on an AR-15, it won't fit, there will be a big gap at the front, and the magazines won't fit in the well.

You may be looking at a 7.62x39, which is a much shorter round. The AR-15 is too small for the .308 (7.62x51).

The lower receiver for the AR-10 is longer mainly because of the magazine well.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 13, 2013 01:15 AM (bxiXv)

430 Has a GI taking a whizz on the Rising Sun painted on it.


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 13, 2013 01:13 AM (znavB)

Heh, some of that WW2 "nose art" was pretty graphic.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 13, 2013 01:15 AM (yh0zB)

431 418 GGE,

The main problem was the Army using the wrong ammo and not wanting chromed barrels....

There's a reason I want to kick procurement in the balls for eternity and the ability to take a platform that had already been product improved for Nicaraugua and African jungle work and unjunglize it is part of it.

It's a LOT like Force XXI and then not acquiring a single infantry system from it whole....

when moonbats start in on the military being the GOP's "free shit army" i usually want to play amateur dentist, BUT the ground forces R+D and procurement follies the last 17 years has been a bit much.

I guess the main bright side is "at least we're not fucking England" who had to pay the germans to save their rifle design.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 13, 2013 01:15 AM (LRFds)

432 DAve,

So you can't swap out uppers on a 10.

Posted by: RWC at January 13, 2013 01:15 AM (sqp6o)

433 401
That's a valid point and probably the correct one but here's my emotional take. I have multiple articles on JSTOR who have monetized my content and research I have personally paid for is being licensed/sold without compensating me. Will you feel the same way when google books begins selling your new novel and won't even return your calls? That's what happened to my dad and his book. The only thing saving him was the juice behind his publisher and that giant class action lawsuit. We both conducted research to increase the overall scientific breadth why should a third party be getting rich over it? So some kid threw it up on the Internet so what. All JSTOR did was bribe universities and journals to close the system and share the profits they derived off free graduate student labor. Doesn't even get into the public records issue. All that does is leave even more room for graft.

Posted by: Exasperated Expat at January 13, 2013 01:16 AM (gkfSV)

434 429 Also greater mass required for the bcg of the .308X51R

Posted by: DAve at January 13, 2013 01:17 AM (XDC0v)

435 "Ace also thinks Amy Poehler and Tina Fey are funny."

Wrong f-word.

Posted by: James Lipton, Inside the Actresses' Changing Rooms at January 13, 2013 01:17 AM (I88Jc)

436 And perhaps it could have been properly tested in field conditions without having to actually be in combat,

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 13, 2013 01:09 AM (yh0zB)


It was, the bureaucrats just dicked around with the design and maintenance and, not to put too fine a point on it, Yugoed it right up.

It had been in use for six years before it hit the Army.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 13, 2013 01:18 AM (bxiXv)

437 432 Not between the -10 and the -15... there are many uppers for each tho that can be swapped out almost effortlessly. The -10 is basically 30% bigger parts

Posted by: DAve at January 13, 2013 01:19 AM (XDC0v)

438 424 RWc,

Gapping....the modern iteration of Armalite used scaled up AR-15 designs for the lower mated to the Knight Arms SR-25 upper as design baseline for the AR10b.

The AR-10 has several differences in the internal layout of the lower and a much more sophisticated gas tube set up than the modern .308 uppers.

Ar10 was designed with a built in select gas system so you could fire rifle grenades easier.

The machining was also a lot simpler, BUT also a lot more manpower intensive.

For persepctive on how much the cost of HOOAH has gone up an AR10 to Milspec in the late 50s early 60s would have cost you about 225 bucks.

"yeah"



Posted by: sven10077 at January 13, 2013 01:20 AM (LRFds)

439 Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 13, 2013 01:15 AM (bxiXv)


Ahhh. Thought it fired the .39 instead of .51.

Reading is fundamental.

The more you know..

GO JOE!!

Posted by: RWC at January 13, 2013 01:20 AM (sqp6o)

440 Sven, if you saw how badly the Army gets it ass kicked daily in the Pentagon by the other services you wouldn't be suprised how things turn out.

Posted by: Jean at January 13, 2013 01:20 AM (Hw3Gh)

441 Also greater mass required for the bcg of the .308X51R

Posted by: DAve at January 13, 2013 01:17 AM (XDC0v)


7.62x51?

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 13, 2013 01:20 AM (yh0zB)

442 39 is the AK/SKS round. 51 is the .308/M1A/M-60 round

Posted by: DAve at January 13, 2013 01:22 AM (XDC0v)

443 So you can't swap out uppers on a 10.

Posted by: RWC at January 13, 2013 01:15 AM (sqp6o)


You can. Just not between a 10 and a 15.

Rifles are short-action and long-action, so a short-action rifle can fire a .308 or a .243 or a 7mm Mauser.

A long action can fire .30-06 and 7mm Magnum and .300 Win Mag.

The AR-10 is a short action. Different uppers can be had for .308 or .243 or whatever. Not .300 Win Mag, too long.

The AR-15 is like a super-short action - .223, 7.62x39, 6.8SPC, .50 Beowulf, pistol calibers, etc.

There is actually a long-action AR made by Cobb, fires .300WM and other long-action calibers.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 13, 2013 01:22 AM (bxiXv)

444 How much does Poisson's Ratio, Young's modulus, etc., change when a bar of heat-treatable steel is heat treated?>>

Life interuppted but if what you say is true why is Young's modulus in this calculation for beam load?

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/beam-stress-deflection-d_1312.html


Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 13, 2013 01:22 AM (qo244)

445 441 Hahaha good catch shopping for brass too much lately!!!

Posted by: DAve at January 13, 2013 01:22 AM (XDC0v)

446 436 Mero,

The Army conspired to fuck up the rifle in every way they could and the media and draftees made a (justifiably so IMHO it was lethal self-defeating bullshit) big stink about the weapon.

They should have and i respect the era's soldiers I am not belittling them, the thing is the army dropped the ball on good PM briefings and we were shake and baking our privates too quick IMHO....

they stripped away all the field proofing from the design they could GIs were using the three prongs instead of P-38s to open beers.....

without the ammo change I doubt we'd have ever seen dead GIs with cleaning rods taped like Musket rams....I see those pics and....want to kick the procurement guys in the balls....

repeatedly.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 13, 2013 01:23 AM (LRFds)

447 445 http://tinyurl.com/c3sqet3

Posted by: DAve at January 13, 2013 01:23 AM (XDC0v)

448 Posted by: Exasperated Expat at January 13, 2013 01:16 AM (gkfSV)

I'm realitivly drunk and you have lost me. What I remember about your post was anger about a gentleman being charged with steeling IP while others went free. All IP theft should be prosecuted and the victim compensated. It is why people work there asses off and take risk, compensation.

The college thing? I was under the impression that whether it's a college or a corp. Anything you do belongs to them cause you are using their stuff to make it happen.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 13, 2013 01:24 AM (l86i3)

449 440 jean,

I know it.

My foster dad was Air force reserve/worked for another set of letters and used to say that the army was NOT high speed at the puzzle palace.

When my brother went off to ROTC and eventually an air force career and I happily went army enlisted Pa worried a lot.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 13, 2013 01:25 AM (LRFds)

450 It was, the bureaucrats just dicked around with the
design and maintenance and, not to put too fine a point on it, Yugoed it
right up.



It had been in use for six years before it hit the Army.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 13, 2013 01:18 AM (bxiXv)


Yes, but it had not been used IN the Army. The brass didn't even buy cleaning kits for the damn things, even though they need to be kept clean, and then they didn't want to listen when the grunts told them the damn thing didn't work. As usual, it took a Marine falling on a grenade (figuratively speaking) to get Colt out to look at the problem, who then immediately claimed there was no problem while quietly fixing the problem. Between opening up the clearances a bit and convincing the Army to teach soldiers how to clean them (and providing the cleaning equipment), the M16 is a pretty good weapons system now.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 13, 2013 01:25 AM (yh0zB)

451 Ahhh. Thought it fired the .39 instead of .51.

Posted by: RWC at January 13, 2013 01:20 AM (sqp6o)


7.62 NATO vs 7.62 COMMIE.

7.62 NATO = 7.62x51 = .308 Winchester

The differences between .308 and 7.62 NATO being chamber pressure and chamber dimensions, slightly, not the cartridge itself.

Similar to .223 vs 5.56 being 5.56 has slightly larger chamber and higher pressures.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 13, 2013 01:25 AM (bxiXv)

452 Thanks all. Now if any of my builds fail and injury me I know where to point my lawyer

Posted by: RWC at January 13, 2013 01:25 AM (sqp6o)

453 Young's modulus is in the equation to allow the guy using the equation to specify steel, or aluminum or brass, or ... to see how much the beam actually deflects when the beam material is changed.

Posted by: Arbalest at January 13, 2013 01:25 AM (fQxC9)

454 But as Sven is saying and I have said before. The Army deliberately did things that compromised the M-16. They changed the powder so it fouled the gas return tube fast. Then they told the soldiers in the Republic of Vietnam the M-16 was such a wonder weapon they did not need cleaning kits. It was nothing in the DoD that messed up the M-16 in Army service, the Army did it to themselves and got soldiers killed because of it.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 13, 2013 01:26 AM (znavB)

455 Ever seen one of these for people with hand problems like me?: http://tinyurl.com/cczgfkm Actually they have a lot of cool stuff to look at for Mausers as well

Posted by: DAve at January 13, 2013 01:26 AM (XDC0v)

456 and got soldiers killed because of it.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 13, 2013 01:26 AM (znavB)

Yes they did. Which is why my Unc and Pa picked up AKs and ammo and used them in Nam.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 13, 2013 01:27 AM (l86i3)

457 "I'm realitivly drunk..."

And you, a writer!

Posted by: Crunk & Tight's "Something of Style" at January 13, 2013 01:28 AM (I88Jc)

458 Damn...1000 POUNDS of brass? That's a lot of brass...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 13, 2013 01:28 AM (yh0zB)

459 Ok, another question - my bud has some 5.56 mags from his time in the Corps (shhhhh)

Would that seat in a .223? I am assuming they would.

Posted by: RWC at January 13, 2013 01:29 AM (sqp6o)

460 That reminds me...I need to get out and load some more .45...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 13, 2013 01:29 AM (yh0zB)

461 "I'm realitivly drunk..."

And you, a writer!
Posted by: Crunk & Tight's "Something of Style" at January 13, 2013 01:28 AM (I88Jc)


It's the Hemmingway thing. I'll wait to put a shotgun in my mouth until I am famous.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 13, 2013 01:29 AM (l86i3)

462 450 GGE,

it was a good weapons design at launch....I can feed shit ammo that is beyond design specs to any rifle to screw it up, and deciding not to clean your rifles and not to set up a good briefing is a managerial flaw not a design one.

In the end had they paid the USAF to arm the US Army in vietnam things would have been fine....

instead some Colonel at the puzzle palace got creative.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 13, 2013 01:29 AM (LRFds)

463 OSP your uncle and father were lucky. The we do not exist covert soldiers would infiltrate VC caches on the Ho Chi Minh trail and put doctored ammo in there so AKs would blow up when used.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 13, 2013 01:30 AM (znavB)

464 OSP, better rescue a Hemmingway 6-toed cat while at it.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 13, 2013 01:31 AM (znavB)

465 OSP your uncle and father were lucky. The we do not exist covert soldiers would infiltrate VC caches on the Ho Chi Minh trail and put doctored ammo in there so AKs would blow up when used.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 13, 2013 01:30 AM (znavB)


Yeah, they told me about that, but when they are still warm from being shot at you, you could figure they were ok.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 13, 2013 01:31 AM (l86i3)

466 In the end had they paid the USAF to arm the US Army in vietnam things would have been fine....


Posted by: sven10077 at January 13, 2013 01:29 AM (LRFds)


but then one of them poncy wanna-be flyboys would have had to put his head in the mud with the Army guys as the squad armorer.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 13, 2013 01:32 AM (yh0zB)

467 OSP, better rescue a Hemmingway 6-toed cat while at it.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 13, 2013 01:31 AM (znavB)

My Dad had a black six toed cat he called rocky. He would leave a dead offering on his front porch every morning. The only cat I have ever really liked.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 13, 2013 01:32 AM (l86i3)

468 451 Mero,

don't forget the commie 30 multi split....


they have.... 7.62*39, 7.62*51 AND 7.62*38

AK/SKS/RPK, Tokarev/Nagant/SVD Druganov/RPD, TT-33, m1895nagant, PPSk etc etc


Ivanfest

Still think the finns reowrking of the M-91 into the M-39 was masterwork....though some like the M-27 more.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 13, 2013 01:33 AM (LRFds)

469 459 I bid on that AND 1000 lbs. of 5.56 cases... approx 78,000 of 5.56 and 48K of 7.62 cases. I chickened out but I regretted it later... I had the whole thing penciled out and it worked. No 223 bullets available so I passed... at $7K

Posted by: DAve at January 13, 2013 01:33 AM (XDC0v)

470 Posted by: DAve at January 13, 2013 01:26 AM (XDC0v)

I worked with a woman that i recommended it to. That and the one that has a pin on the slide. She went with a revolver though.

Posted by: RWC at January 13, 2013 01:34 AM (sqp6o)

471 DAve what are your hand problems? Mine start from neck and my hands hurt, are very weak and numb. This started in 1999 from being rear ended in a hit and run car accident. Almost 14 years ago and I did not think to call 911 on car phone. It seems ancient but that's what we had in 1999. I was pissed & probably in shock but I tried to follow them and get plate number but did not. I went to work the next day with a huge muscle spasm that was visible across the room.

Posted by: CarolT at January 13, 2013 01:34 AM (z4WKX)

472 You forget 7.62x54R, comrade. Most manly cartridge in whole Soviet armory.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 13, 2013 01:34 AM (yh0zB)

473 459 Exact same thing

Posted by: DAve at January 13, 2013 01:34 AM (XDC0v)

474 466 GGE,

Heh yeah exactly....

my brother sent me a pic once with one of the nice looking USAF females mentioned earlier today gag serving him a martini in the desert by a pool....

"you forgot the mint on my pillow"

I love the USAF but the red headed stepchild definitely eats the army's lunch on the money train.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 13, 2013 01:34 AM (LRFds)

475 GGE on the USAF side IIRC it was the Air Commandos who adopted the -16. Air Force people who lived in the field and while not wanting to eat snake would.

Air Force Combat Controllers and Weathermen are embedded with Army units. So there is a small community of grunts in the uber tacky ABUs who can wear Army patches on those uniforms.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 13, 2013 01:34 AM (znavB)

476 Air Force Combat Controllers and Weathermen are embedded with Army units. So there is a small community of grunts in the uber tacky ABUs who can wear Army patches on those uniforms.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 13, 2013 01:34 AM (znavB)

Hey, Staff Sargent Zach Bain.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 13, 2013 01:36 AM (l86i3)

477 Ok one thing I learned being outside all day is that it gets deathly cold out. Yea, we all knew this, but it seriously gets COLD. Something to keep in mind. You know, just in case.

Posted by: ElKomandante at January 13, 2013 01:36 AM (LxH/O)

478 471 I don't know- could be diabetes or working as a mechanic so long and hard. Could be CHF or arthritis. I just know it SUCKS

Posted by: DAve at January 13, 2013 01:36 AM (XDC0v)

479 Ok one thing I learned being outside all day is that it gets deathly cold out. Yea, we all knew this, but it seriously gets COLD. Something to keep in mind. You know, just in case.
Posted by: ElKomandante at January 13, 2013 01:36 AM (LxH/O)

WTF are you talkin about, it's 65 degrees out.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 13, 2013 01:37 AM (l86i3)

480 Would that seat in a .223? I am assuming they would.
Posted by: RWC at January 13, 2013 01:29 AM (sqp6o)


Cartridge dimensions are *exactly* the same.

The difference is chamber dimensions (tiny difference) and pressure (5.56 is higher).

This means you don't want to use 5.56 in a barrel marked .223 (though it may work fine) and a 5.56 gun may short-stroke with .223 ammo with lower pressures.

5.56 ammo will almost always chamber fine in a .223, but the chances of failure to feed or failure to extract is higher.

To make that better, some ammo is mis-marked (Russian 5.56 notoriously low pressure).

The best thing is to get a 5.56 barrel or rechamber your .223 barrel to 5.56, because in the worst case you will chamber fine but low pressure ammo may force you to switch to a lighter buffer, which is easy.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 13, 2013 01:37 AM (bxiXv)

481 So there is a small community of grunts in the uber tacky ABUs who can wear Army patches on those uniforms.


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 13, 2013 01:34 AM (znavB)



Perhaps so, but as a retired squid I feel it is morally wrong to allow a chance to denigrate the lesser services pass by untaken.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 13, 2013 01:37 AM (yh0zB)

482 Silly wabbit of a writer. I was in GTACS. Combat controllers embedded with Army at the FLOT would talk with the weapons controllers in our radar van to call in air strikes. And that radar van could be as close as 30 miles to the FLOT or 100 miles.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 13, 2013 01:38 AM (znavB)

483 Latest weird-ass anime, Ultimate Girls.

This is a satire of giant monster shows, especially Ultra Man. The monster in the first episode actually looks like a stiff costume with visible seams.

UFO Man defends Tokyo against regular incursions of giant monsters. So regular that there is a TV show scheduled around them and a fair amount of the population just ignores it if it isn't in the immediate vicinity. During one such attack near a shopping district, three high school girls, each with very different figures, decide to go to a bridge for a better view, confident that UFO Man will be showing up at any moment. He does. Directly on top of the bridge, stomping them to paste as he lands.

They awake to find themselves in a limbo where UFO Man blames their deaths on the monster and says he can restore them to life but they'll need to take up his job as they'll be taking a portion of his power. Of the three girls, one is wildly enthusiastic as she is already an exhibitionist cosplayer. The others are more reluctant, especially when they learn that the power to grow to monster size has a severe time limit whose first symptom is the gradual disappearance of their costume. The resulting embarrassment turns out to be their ultimate power source. This is a problem for the cosplayer loli girl but she makes up for it by being a very devious opponent.

There are a lot of running gags, such as the professorial TV show host labeling the girls in their combat forms by their physical endowments.

It seems to have a lot on common with Adam Warren's Empowered comics series. I find myself wondering if one inspired the other.

I'm halfway through the 12 episodes. It's worth streaming or a purchase if the price is low.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGl7QaVCzNY

Posted by: epobirs at January 13, 2013 01:38 AM (kcfmt)

484 475 Ms Puma,

LeMay also wanted it for perimeter security at SAC bases by the ESPOs he was bothered that his boys were using the grease gun and was properly impressed by Stoner's watermelon party.

In the end ParaRescue and Combat Controllers are just as rucked as the infantry and CEs in the right circumstances.

The PJs are awesome in their window.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 13, 2013 01:38 AM (LRFds)

485 Silly wabbit of a writer. I was in GTACS. Combat controllers embedded with Army at the FLOT would talk with the weapons controllers in our radar van to call in air strikes. And that radar van could be as close as 30 miles to the FLOT or 100 miles.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 13, 2013 01:38 AM (znavB)

Total coolness.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 13, 2013 01:39 AM (l86i3)

486 448
Not necessarily the case. They have a closed monopolistic system. The only way to get noticed or keep your job is to publish in research journals then reach the pinnacle of a widely read book or memoir. The journal articles function similarly to articles in outside, backpacker, guns and ammo, etc. wherein they own the content once published. The difference being you are not compensated by the journal, except in rare cases, while the journal is able to sell that free content in whatever manner they see fit. So I published an article in Rangelands based on research a foundation I started paid for and JSTOR is licensing access to that output without compensating me or the foundation. Not for views, nit for downloads, not for prints am i compensated. They don't own the content the lead author does just like in the novel world but to make it in academia you publish or perish so they have you by the nuggets. It's a HuffPo scenario where they build an empire based on free output and then sell that output for millions and the worker bees get the biggest shaft. It's a corrupt system that pretty much mirrors the middle class situation. Work like hell pay your dues get nothing back. In this case if that kid subverting them forces them to change the structure then bravo. He didn't steal any IP in my opinion all he did was put it where it was intended. A place for everyone to benefit.

Posted by: Exasperated Expat at January 13, 2013 01:39 AM (gkfSV)

487 Also BTW, Air Force ground radar units have Marines attached to them. The Marines job is to hold the enemy off long enough to let the AF guys destroy the radar set to prevent it's capture.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 13, 2013 01:40 AM (yh0zB)

488 USAF has a trippy camo now I saw on a guy at Target

Posted by: DAve at January 13, 2013 01:40 AM (XDC0v)

489
Young's modulus is in the equation to allow the guy using the equation
to specify steel, or aluminum or brass, or ... to see how much the beam
actually deflects when the beam material is changed.

Young's modulus is the amount of elasticity during plastic deformation of a material. Hardness greatly effects this. I can make a steel beam hard and it will hold more weight but likely fail catastrophically if that weight is exceeded . If I increase it's elasticity or malleability it will bend sooner and the the tensile strength will take over since now one side of the beam is in tensile load and the other is in compressive load. As a general rule harder steel (steel being a very generic term) has higher tensile strength. Once any rod bends there are tensile loads applied.

Failures rarely come from one specification of a material but many.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 13, 2013 01:40 AM (qo244)

490 480 mero,

It's been my experience with the civillian rifles I've built that as long as you are using good .223 55 grain loads it will cycle most AR-15s....the Ruger gets more finicky.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 13, 2013 01:40 AM (LRFds)

491 488 This: http://tinyurl.com/cy5cbkm

Posted by: DAve at January 13, 2013 01:41 AM (XDC0v)

492 epobirs, why did you even watch that?

"Hey its Ultimate Girl Lolita!"

And as they lose their special power reserves, their uniforms start to vanish giving people literally an eyeful of giant naked teen-age girlhood.

The voice of UFO Man is Amuro Rei. *face palm*

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 13, 2013 01:42 AM (znavB)

493 they have.... 7.62*39, 7.62*51 AND 7.62*38

Posted by: sven10077 at January 13, 2013 01:33 AM (LRFds)


I think you meant 54 instead of 51, and then there's the 7.62x25 handgun round.

The 7.62x38 is also a handgun round, for the Nagant revolver, the one that *may* be suppressed because the cylinder cams into the forcing cone to "maybe" seal enough to contain the gases.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 13, 2013 01:42 AM (bxiXv)

494 490 Me too

Posted by: DAve at January 13, 2013 01:42 AM (XDC0v)

495 I was in GTACS.


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 13, 2013 01:38 AM (znavB)


heh...oops...my, this shoe has a lovely taste of leather...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 13, 2013 01:43 AM (yh0zB)

496 Latest weird-ass anime, Ultimate Girls.

Posted by: epobirs at January 13, 2013 01:38 AM (kcfmt)


For shere WTF-ness, there is Sasami-san@Ganbaranai

It has chocolate, more chocolate, literal boob missiles, and even more chocolate. It is not about chocolate.

Episode 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DandwWoMf3I

The literal boob missiles:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_plXwGCOmM

Posted by: 政治的な帽子 at January 13, 2013 01:44 AM (Vk2pI)

497 493 Mero,

Da you caught me....it is raining hard here and I am hypnotized...

then there are the multiple powder charges in the pistol 7.62 because of the m57.....

It's funny every time I look at the orders of battle of the Warsaw pact in the era I think we could not have held them sans nukes I reverse engineer how fucked up their logistics net would have been and wonder if in the end we both were prisoners of technocrat dumbasses.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 13, 2013 01:45 AM (LRFds)

498 I'm loaded and pissed at academia so excuse my blathering. My Phd professor told me when Lincoln freed the slaves he exmpted graduate students so get to work. That's all anyone need know to understand academia. They view grad students as slaves and their output as free stuff to sell. This kid said screw you and they hounded him literally to his death.

Posted by: Exasperated Expat at January 13, 2013 01:45 AM (gkfSV)

499 GGE, Marines? Oh geez. I admit our chances of fending off an attack by the Girl Scouts was minimal never mind against Spetsnaz. But that was the game we played. Deploy to Germany for exercises. Or Eglin or White Sands. Live in the field behind concertina wire while in bunkers armed with M-16s, M-203s, and M-60s.

Its actually very very easy to destroy the vans. They are made with a magnesium alloy. One thermite grenade per van, all done.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 13, 2013 01:46 AM (znavB)

500 It's a corrupt system that pretty much mirrors the middle class situation. Work like hell pay your dues get nothing back. In this case if that kid subverting them forces them to change the structure then bravo. He didn't steal any IP in my opinion all he did was put it where it was intended. A place for everyone to benefit.
Posted by: Exasperated Expat at January 13, 2013 01:39 AM (gkfSV)

You just outed yourself as a Socialist/Communist. You are paid what you are worth. "A place for everyone to benefit?" really? Who the fuck is he to determine that with someone elses shit? No, sorry, I'm not into rationalization for my own benifit at the expense of others.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 13, 2013 01:46 AM (l86i3)

501 The return of the boob-missiles? Someone contact Go Nagai and Aphrodite X!

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 13, 2013 01:48 AM (znavB)

502 the Japanese have the strangest things...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 13, 2013 01:49 AM (yh0zB)

503 GGE its all okay. It has been awhile since I played in the mud. I got smart and found a nicer gig in an air conditioned office. So things might have changed.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 13, 2013 01:49 AM (znavB)

504 They view grad students as slaves and their output as free stuff to sell. This kid said screw you and they hounded him literally to his death.

Posted by: Exasperated Expat at January 13, 2013 01:45 AM (gkfSV)


They are not slaves.

They are indentured servants.

If their boss/Professor is any good, than those long years of 60-80 hour weeks are d**ned well worth it.

Posted by: The Political Hat, Ph.D. at January 13, 2013 01:49 AM (Vk2pI)

505 the Japanese have the strangest things...
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 13, 2013 01:49 AM (yh0zB)

Yep, but they all seem to end with sex.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 13, 2013 01:49 AM (l86i3)

506 It's been my experience with the civillian rifles I've built that as long as you are using good .223 55 grain loads it will cycle most AR-15s....the Ruger gets more finicky.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 13, 2013 01:40 AM (LRFds)


The makers try to accomodate as many different pressure levels as they can, but your best reliability is going to come from knowing your gas system and reciprocating mass and matching that to the ammo.

There are some things that seem to help like a hydraulic buffer or a buffer containing powdered instead of solid weight seems to broaden that a little.

Also a balanced gas system, enough barrel length before and after (dwell time) a proper diameter gas port. 'swhy midlengths are so popular, among other reasons.

The buffer weight is just the easiest thing to change.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 13, 2013 01:50 AM (bxiXv)

507 Its actually very very easy to destroy the vans. They are made with a magnesium alloy. One thermite grenade per van, all done.


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 13, 2013 01:46 AM (znavB)


One of my co-workers is a former USAF ground radar tech, I guess in the Gulf they have Marines. Thermite the van, unstrap the antenna and drive the truck out from under it, load em up and bug out.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 13, 2013 01:50 AM (yh0zB)

508 TPH, Sasami-chan no otaku ne?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 13, 2013 01:52 AM (znavB)

509 Yep, but they all seem to end with sex.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon.
http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 13, 2013 01:49 AM (l86i3)


Yep. Disturbing...yet, strangely enticing...

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at January 13, 2013 01:52 AM (yh0zB)

510 #492

Why wouldn't I watch it? It isn't the funniest kaiju satire I've ever seen but pretty good.

Posted by: epobirs at January 13, 2013 01:53 AM (kcfmt)

511 It's funny every time I look at the orders of battle of the Warsaw pact in the era I think we could not have held them sans nukes I reverse engineer how fucked up their logistics net would have been and wonder if in the end we both were prisoners of technocrat dumbasses.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 13, 2013 01:45 AM (LRFds)


From what I read studying intel "stuff" in the 90s, the GRU and the DIA pretty much came to that conclusion in the 70s and tried to minimize the damage bureaucratically.

One wonders if there's some as-yet-untold story to the Fall of the East on those lines.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 13, 2013 01:53 AM (bxiXv)

512 As a general rule harder steel (steel being a very generic term) has higher tensile strength.

Yes, but the question is stiffness. How does hardness affect stiffness?

My understanding, at the "firearm-level" and "bridge-level" is that Poisson's Ratio, Young's Modulus, etc., essentially do not change when steel (for example) is heat treated. I don't know about the crystal-level, and things could easily be very different.

So, given a bar of cast steel, and another, identically-dimensioned heat-treated one *stronger and harder), and an increasing periodic load applied to both, both will deflect the same amount and return to the initial point, until at some point the cast beam takes a set. The heat-treated beam will take considerably more load, and deflection, until it too takes a set.

But until the load exceeds the cast beam's yield point, both beams deflect equally.

Posted by: Arbalest at January 13, 2013 01:54 AM (fQxC9)

513 Sasami-chan no otaku ne?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 13, 2013 01:52 AM (znavB)


In all pseudo-allegedness...

I'm honestly not sure what is going on with that show. It's like Shinbo came up with it while doing NyQuil enemas...

Still, I like SHAFT so I'll watch at least a few episodes.

Posted by: 政治的な帽子 at January 13, 2013 01:55 AM (Vk2pI)

514 Wow there are a lot of boob missiles in Anime

boob missiles GIF
http://tinyurl.com/crevh86


Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 13, 2013 01:55 AM (qo244)

515 CAT!!!!

http://tinyurl.com/bjx6bme

CUTE CAT!!!!

Yes, I am a slime-mold.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 13, 2013 01:55 AM (xjpRj)

516 Marines have the Westinghouse TPS-70 while USAF have the TPS-75. Same solid sate antenna. And either fiber-link or via -170 relay the data to the TAOMs.

Thinking back to that antenna and the cargo straps and jack pads that hold it in the bed of a 5-ton. Don't bother as it would take too long in a fluid situation. Find another vehicle.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 13, 2013 01:56 AM (znavB)

517 Ha communist? So my work is worth zero to me and millions to them? Endless coerced hours spent working without compensation for the benefit of others is the definition of communism. My desire to alter that system in order to derive compensation for my work makes me a straight up capitalist son. No one should have the right to sell my work without my being compensated for that work. Isn't that the definition of IP? My being able to control and profit from the fruits of my labors? Plus would a communist wear this much gray and have a Lada in the driveway? My cousin still gets royalties from a newspaper column she stopped writing ten years ago why shouldn't I be able to expect the same even though I was published in Nature and she was in the Register?

Posted by: Exasperated Expat at January 13, 2013 01:57 AM (gkfSV)

518 493 Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith

Bing "Bramit Device". The 7.62mm Nagant case actually extends past the projectile and is cammed into the forcing cone to provide an interior seal. Not a high-powered round, but it apparently is very quiet.

Posted by: Arbalest at January 13, 2013 01:58 AM (fQxC9)

519 Plus would a communist wear this much gray and have a Lada in the driveway?

Posted by: Exasperated Expat at January 13, 2013 01:57 AM (gkfSV)


At some point, just admit it's Joe and leave it alone.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 13, 2013 01:59 AM (bxiXv)

520 Another Bush is planning to run statewide in Texas next year:

http://tinyurl.com/cqcveb9

Posted by: The Political hat at January 13, 2013 02:00 AM (Vk2pI)

521 Reparations to heal the soul.


Posted by: Cosmic Justice at January 13, 2013 02:00 AM (I88Jc)

522 Biggest WTF regarding Japan is the blur out of a P entering the V.

Yet, tentacle entering a V seems like it ismthe Cosby Show there.

Posted by: RWC at January 13, 2013 02:02 AM (sqp6o)

523 TPH, the idiot brother not sure if I should conflate him with the self-portrait of Asamiya Kia uses.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 13, 2013 02:03 AM (znavB)

524 Posted by: Exasperated Expat at January 13, 2013 01:57 AM (gkfSV)

Dude, I have no idea what you are talking about now. I quoted back your statements that clearly represent a Communist/Socialist position. I don't know shit about your situation. Now, I worked in factories on things most of my life. I turned out products and Ideas that netted others millions. I made barely six figures. I'm fine with that. I also went to college, saw the pointless fraudulent bullshit, got my piece of paper and got the fuck out. I wrote a book for therapy and somebody liked it. So, I got a copyright and put it up for sale. I'm talking individual responsibilities, right and wrong. You are talking about concepts and the way you think things "Should" be.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 13, 2013 02:06 AM (l86i3)

525 Is every Jason Statham movie - drive fight drive punch drive drive ahoot, drive drive punch wrap up filming.

Posted by: RWC at January 13, 2013 02:10 AM (sqp6o)

526 It appears Sasami-san just started but it sure has style out the wazoo.

Posted by: epobirs at January 13, 2013 02:12 AM (kcfmt)

527 God blessed me with a slow mind that saved me from entering countless fights to save face with my detractors in meatspace. Lurkers, you have nothing to lose.

Posted by: Proud Harry, rolling on the river at January 13, 2013 02:13 AM (I88Jc)

528 Just saw some Kimi Raikkonen quotes. He is the most entertaining F1 driver, just for his dry, uncaring wit.

Interviewer: The helmet has a special meaning for many drivers. How important is it to you?
Raikkonen: It protects my head.

Interviewer: The most exciting part of the race weekend?
Raikkonen: I think so it's the race start, always.
Interviewer: The most boring part?
Raikkonen: Now.

Interviewer: How does Ferrari feel with you racing snowmobiles in the off-season?
Raikkonen: I didn't ask them.

Interviewer: What did you think of the 2007 Hungarian Grand Prix?
Raikkonen: Boring.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 13, 2013 02:14 AM (bxiXv)

529 525 Is every Jason Statham movie - drive fight drive punch drive drive ahoot, drive drive punch wrap up filming.

Posted by: RWC at January 13, 2013 02:10 AM (sqp6o)


Well, the good ones.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 13, 2013 02:15 AM (bxiXv)

530 I am not sure what to make of Sasami-san except she is majorly screwed in the head. Should be seeing Dr. Scratch-n-Sniff. Almost a cheerful Serial Experiment Lain.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 13, 2013 02:15 AM (znavB)

531 Is every Jason Statham movie - drive fight drive punch drive drive ahoot, drive drive punch wrap up filming.


He seems to make the women moist. If they choose to use me as a substitute, I'm ok with that.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 13, 2013 02:16 AM (l86i3)

532 OK kids, its late I have entertained a troll, my work here is done. Later.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 13, 2013 02:18 AM (l86i3)

533 Whoa, after 1am. Yep night all.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 13, 2013 02:20 AM (znavB)

534 Goodnight, all. Enjoy my KITTEH or else.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 13, 2013 02:22 AM (xjpRj)

535 Raikkonen: Now



Ouch.


Goodnight all that are going to bed.

Insomnia is fun.....really...

Posted by: RWC at January 13, 2013 02:26 AM (sqp6o)

536 But until the load exceeds the cast beam's yield point, both beams deflect equally.>>

We (as I often do, are arguing minutia) Yes up to the point of plastic deformation both are the same. But the plastic deformation range can be quite large. If it falls in the strength you need for a barrel, hardness can make a difference. The forces on a barrel are not unidirectional so hardness, wall thickness all need to be taken into consideration. Because if you exceed the plastic limit you will start shooting around corners.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 13, 2013 02:28 AM (qo244)

537 What's that smell?

THE MONKEES, "A Little Bit Me, A Little Bit You":

http://youtu.be/KnMuwzm7kw4

Posted by: PSA at January 13, 2013 02:30 AM (I88Jc)

538 #525

You left out head butt. There is usually at least one of those in every Statham flick.

Posted by: epobirs at January 13, 2013 02:33 AM (kcfmt)

539 What language software does anyone recommend?

No personal experience, but have heard good things about Rosetta Stone. Pricey though, if you don't take the pirate price.

I'd say "good luck" in Japanese, but the fact I have to google search it means I don't really deserve to use it. = P

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at January 13, 2013 02:35 AM (7um7O)

540 Good Night all gotta get up at the crack of 9:30 for Church.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 13, 2013 02:36 AM (qo244)

541 Since barrels are back in vogue, I noticed that Stellite was brought up earlier. Stellite is very abrasion resistant but it tends to crack with a lot of heat/cool cycles.

A more modern process is Melonite coating. Resists abrasion like Stellite, doesn't crack. Coated barrels last a *lot* longer than stainless or chrome-lined barrels.

I think it's like $60-100 per barrel. The only reason I haven't done it to all of mine is I'm cheap and lazy.

I believe it's always black in color. It's a nitrocarburizing process involving heating cycles and shit.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 13, 2013 02:37 AM (bxiXv)

542 The Monkees' "Daydream Believer":

http://youtu.be/TOfsPSXqJDc

Posted by: White Knight on the scene at January 13, 2013 02:43 AM (I88Jc)

543 There is nothing socialist about saying I should be able do and profit in whatever manner I want with what I've created. The difference between abstract situations and concrete situations is the abstract ones haven't happened to us yet. Every author, every artist, every designer will at some point have to confront someone attempting to make a profit off if their work without permission, guidance or authority. When they realize how powerless they are in the face of that taking the only solace is in the changing of the system. Thus my desire to modify a system that is profitting from my work without providing me with any compensation. The correct term in this instance about my personal irritation with this kid screwing with JSTOR and public records EXCLUSIVELY is anarchist which contrary to pretty much everyone is not only a province of the left. The real point I was making with all of it was this kid, who was featured as a role model for how those on the right can succeed without having media on their side two AOSHQ posts ago, should in no way have been hounded to death by the DOJ while Gregory skated free because his wife knows a guy.

Posted by: Exasperated Expat at January 13, 2013 02:47 AM (gkfSV)

544 Good nite horde. I need to got to church.

Posted by: Cheri at January 13, 2013 02:49 AM (EAgmr)

545 Step away from the pc/device.

The Monkees' "I'm a Believer":


Posted by: Morpheus at January 13, 2013 02:50 AM (I88Jc)

546
Posted by: White Knight on the scene

I love it plus Bread, America, Grace Slick and every band of that era.

Posted by: Cheri at January 13, 2013 02:58 AM (EAgmr)

547 Damn, FireFox has been unstable lately. I just had to put it on the Liverpool Path and get it to install the new build it had queued up.

Posted by: epobirs at January 13, 2013 03:00 AM (kcfmt)

548 The Monkees' "Pleasant Valley Sunday":

http://youtu.be/7RPQEap-8Vk

Posted by: I Got a TV in Every Room at January 13, 2013 03:02 AM (I88Jc)

549 253: Gen. Saw BOC probably 6 times during the mid 70s- early 80s. Best show was when Rush opened for them on the 2112 tour! As for hearing....good thing this is a text based forum

Posted by: bill-o at January 13, 2013 03:06 AM (AWwDY)

550 I missed the earlier thread, but since it's come up again, I hope it's been noted that JSTOR's claimed IP is what's known in law as a "slavish copy," not recognized in any case as property separate from its source.

Your Xerox of a Picasso isn't yours. It's his. If somebody copies your copy, tough shit for you. A guy who sells fake Rolexes can't get charges brought against you if you also sell fake Rolexes just like his. Amazingly, the law recognizes this obvious thing, even in "archival" instances. Which really pisses of The Man (e.g., JSTOR), because The Man really wants to get paid for Picasso's work. And everybody's. And not pay anybody for it. Feudal style.

That guy who killed himself, if he'd had a way to get the millions of dollars the defense/loss/appeal/repeat process would have required of him, and if he could bear wasting his whole adult life pursuing this, would eventually have had his case dismissed--because the provisions under which he was being hounded would have been found unconstitutional. Unless Roberts is even worse of a shit than he seems to be.

Seriously, did we learn nothing about what a prosecution really is this week?

Posted by: oblig. at January 13, 2013 03:07 AM (cePv8)

551 Hat tip to Cheri.

Bread's "Everything I Own":

http://youtu.be/-Q1kB0R4Ijs

Posted by: Socon Strainer at January 13, 2013 03:12 AM (I88Jc)

552 Damn, FireFox has been unstable lately. I just had to put it on the Liverpool Path and get it to install the new build it had queued up.

Posted by: epobirs at January 13, 2013 03:00 AM (kcfmt)


That euphamism needs to be used far more often.

Plenty to read about the "Liverpool Care Pathway" here:
http://politicalhat.com/category/healthcare/

Posted by: The Political hat at January 13, 2013 03:18 AM (Vk2pI)

553 #552

I introduce it into conversation at every opportunity, in hopes I'll be asked what it means.

I wonder what they'll call it here? Shuffling off to Buffalo?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj7OJeyhq2Q

Posted by: epobirs at January 13, 2013 03:23 AM (kcfmt)

554 The Doors' "Break on through to the other side":

http://youtu.be/-h5j_mAEEdw

Posted by: The Electric Chocolate-milk Base Test at January 13, 2013 03:32 AM (I88Jc)

555 Billie Holiday's "As Time Goes By":

http://youtu.be/vYoet7-qDHI

Posted by: 23 skidoo at January 13, 2013 03:50 AM (I88Jc)

556 Night all.

Here is Mastodon with a live version of "Creature Lives":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIWaMczxxF4

Posted by: The Political hat at January 13, 2013 04:07 AM (Vk2pI)

557 550
I missed the earlier thread, but since it's come up again, I hope it's been noted that JSTOR's claimed IP is what's known in law as a "slavish copy," not recognized in any case as property separate from its source.


Your Xerox of a Picasso isn't yours. It's his. If somebody copies your
copy, tough shit for you. A guy who sells fake Rolexes can't get charges
brought against you if you also sell fake Rolexes just like his.
Amazingly, the law recognizes this obvious thing, even in "archival"
instances. Which really pisses of The Man (e.g., JSTOR), because The Man
really wants to get paid for Picasso's work. And everybody's. And not
pay anybody for it. Feudal style.

That guy who killed himself, if
he'd had a way to get the millions of dollars the
defense/loss/appeal/repeat process would have required of him, and if he
could bear wasting his whole adult life pursuing this, would eventually
have had his case dismissed--because the provisions under which he was
being hounded would have been found unconstitutional. Unless Roberts is
even worse of a shit than he seems to be.

Seriously, did we learn nothing about what a prosecution really is this week?

Posted by: oblig. at January 13, 2013 03:07 AM (cePv


That's fairly well-put.

Westlaw and Lexis/Nexis [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westlaw] have the same issue. They put together compendiums of nominally public records and then turn around and assert IP ownership over the original records. The problem is that governmental (pronounced "coercive") entities have allowed their proprietary indexing schemes to be used in pleadings and arguments -- so if someone created a new and better indexing scheme, there would have to be a way to back-reference it.....and the companies assert that such back-reference is an infringement on their copyright. ]

In short, the problem is not that West, L/N, or JSTOR have IP that's been "stolen", the problem is that the government gave such IP an official blessing so as to make it essential in dealing with the government and refuses to consider any reasonable workarounds....which result is solidly supported by lobbyists for their respective companies and their bought-and-paid-for legislators.

I should also point out that I am a Disney shareholder, and I find the ever-lengthening copyrights based on Mickey Mouse freakin' ludicrous. Everyone else has to live by the motto, "improve or die" -- but Steamboat Willie on a crappy 16mm print serves as the beginning of perpetual copyright?

Posted by: cthulhu at January 13, 2013 04:31 AM (kaalw)

558 Yea, welcome to cronyism. All for them none for you.

Welcome to the new world.

Posted by: Infidel at January 13, 2013 04:34 AM (PyxzI)

559 Bob Beckel is like a fat stupid wart on the face of the news.


If by "is like" you mean is.

Posted by: Pravda at January 13, 2013 04:46 AM (SSWdi)

560 558
Yea, welcome to cronyism. All for them none for you.



Welcome to the new world.

Posted by: Infidel at January 13, 2013 04:34 AM (PyxzI)


We're long overdue for a great wave. The old-line populism of recalls and voter propositions have been completely corrupted -- the November ballot in California had 11 propositions, not one of which was honest as to the issue involved, the actual supporters and detractors, the liberties curtailed, or the public interest. We see widespread national disdain for foreign aid -- while green subsidies are far more costly in dollars, distort markets, advance ill-advised measures with horrible consequences, and are rife with corruption and cronyism -- but, hey, all that "green" shit is popular with the patchouli-scented [and steadily more antiquated] stoner crowd at Whole Foods.

It's like Instapundit says -- we could do the "right" thing, but that would shortchange our opportunities for graft.

Posted by: cthulhu at January 13, 2013 04:50 AM (kaalw)

561 Bob Beckel is like a fat stupid wart on the face of the news you sell to the village down the road.

If by "is like" you mean is.

Posted by: Al Jazeera at January 13, 2013 04:50 AM (SSWdi)

562 Bob Beckel is like a fat stupid wart on the news that is good because he safely not sharp.

If by "is like" you mean is.

Posted by: THE BBC at January 13, 2013 04:53 AM (SSWdi)

563 Beckel is part of what is wrong with this Country. I say we start slitting throats. Let God sort'em out.

Posted by: Infidel at January 13, 2013 05:09 AM (PyxzI)

564 Pretty quiet tonight.

Posted by: Infidel at January 13, 2013 05:17 AM (PyxzI)

565 Listening to Gutfeld talk about his book at the Reagan Library on BookTV.org. Hysterical.

Posted by: Buddy Bizarre at January 13, 2013 05:19 AM (TbJbY)

566 I love Gutfeld. Watchin Steel Against the Sky. I'm a sucker for the old black and whites.

Weird. just got some bold for no reason. Hope I don't break the blog. The barrel has got to be pretty rank about now.

Posted by: Infidel at January 13, 2013 05:22 AM (PyxzI)

567 Vic, if you see this, Kindle has a special set deal on '1984' and 'Animal Farm'

Posted by: Icedog at January 13, 2013 05:35 AM (9ScGj)

568 Wish we had an old book store here. Don't have a kindle.

Posted by: Infidel at January 13, 2013 05:37 AM (PyxzI)

569 'Nite all. Yea Ravens!

Posted by: Infidel at January 13, 2013 05:38 AM (PyxzI)

570 They put together compendiums of nominally public records and then turn
around and assert IP ownership over the original records.


Yea, this is bogus and completely contrary to all prior copyright caselaw regarding repackaging of public stuff.

Nobody can copyright Shakespeare anymore, but you could copyright a particular embodiment and packaging of the works, but that in no way means you have a copyright on "Shakespeare".

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 13, 2013 05:41 AM (BNacf)

571 I think I shall never see a drone buzzy as a bee.

Posted by: otho at January 13, 2013 05:47 AM (yBF/9)

572 Don't hold your breath otho. Welcome comrade

Posted by: Infidel at January 13, 2013 05:50 AM (PyxzI)

573 Da. Is good.

Posted by: otho at January 13, 2013 05:51 AM (yBF/9)

574 Woke up, got outta bed

Posted by: teej at January 13, 2013 07:10 AM (4IyOI)

575 Crap. Lost my Keith Carloc hash tag.

Posted by: teej at January 13, 2013 07:12 AM (4IyOI)

576 the drummer?

Posted by: Uncle Jed at January 13, 2013 07:24 AM (AVfT8)

577 Vic, I think the Horde needs the trash can.
BBL- I'm up and don't need to hear it.

Posted by: teej at January 13, 2013 07:24 AM (4IyOI)

578 Well to the New Soviet, just like the Old Soviet. You are welcome.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 13, 2013 07:30 AM (znavB)

579 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 13, 2013 07:30 AM (znavB)

The smartest people in the room are offering you the New & Improved "Old Soviet Union" and you dare to chastise them.

Comrade, have you learned nothing since the glorious days of FDR's reign?

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at January 13, 2013 07:54 AM (Cnqmv)

580 Posted by: teej at January 13, 2013 07:24 AM (4IyOI)

Maybe the yesterday's rockin' chair day got to Vic and he needs the trashcan this AM?

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at January 13, 2013 07:55 AM (Cnqmv)

581 Yessir Uncle Jed. Yesterday my tag was CRLoc.
Saw them at Starlight in KC and Keith just blew a buddy of mine and me (we both play) totally away.

Posted by: teej at January 13, 2013 08:04 AM (LKr5H)






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