Aaron Swartz - how to stop a freight train [Purp]

Aaron Swartz was an internet activist and developer who hung himself on Friday. This talk below that he gave will be a more enduring legacy than any software he ever made, or any of the crimes he's been accused of.

Ignore the hipster douchebag affectations and pay attention to what he's saying. He lays out a process by which irresistible force can be resisted even when the media is NOT on your side. Its not theoretical, it worked.

When the video started, I was groaning for the first 20 seconds or so, which of course was due to my biases and preconceptions about this young man, but then he drew me in...and 20 minutes had elapsed before I knew it.

Video below the fold.

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Comments

1 First?

Posted by: Emdoc at January 12, 2013 05:18 PM (0RJ16)

2 I knew 2013 would be a good year...first on a thread!

Posted by: Emdoc at January 12, 2013 05:19 PM (0RJ16)

3 So.....no Saturday gaming thread, eh?

Dangit...I got a game to talk about!

Posted by: Sticky Wicket at January 12, 2013 05:20 PM (L7hol)

4
PurpAv,
I've really been enjoying all your linkys in the sidebar.
Thanks for those.

Okay, watching the video now.

Posted by: wheatie at January 12, 2013 05:25 PM (fH4X9)

5 This was a really smart kid. We all lose with this. God rest his soul.

Posted by: Dirty Old Man at January 12, 2013 05:26 PM (xAF87)

6 Sticky Wicker well there is a game that used $100k in US grant money. About an African-American female super hero. Not to be confused with Wonder Woman's sister Nubia though. The game is called HERAdventure. Play at your own risk.

Better to watch the video and save money anyway.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 12, 2013 05:28 PM (hvqfu)

7 I've really been enjoying all your linkys in the sidebar.

It keeps the blog fresh without stomping all over the main page too much...and one line snark commentary is easier than actual writing ;->

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 12, 2013 05:28 PM (BNacf)

8 Is there a transcript of Aaron Swartz's talk?

Better yet, can some give us a short summary?

Posted by: Looking Glass at January 12, 2013 05:29 PM (g3wOT)

9 Some of us have netbooks that quack like a duck- a synopsis of salient points would be helpful with videos.

Posted by: backhoe at January 12, 2013 05:29 PM (ULH4o)

10 Flacco?!?! He was open!

Posted by: Looking Glass at January 12, 2013 05:29 PM (g3wOT)

11 They need to get Champ off that matchup

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 12, 2013 05:30 PM (MPjT8)

12 Champ needs to move to safety. His experience would make him dangerous there. Doesn't have the wheels to play corner any more.

Posted by: teej at January 12, 2013 05:32 PM (4IyOI)

13 Someone I know killed themselves on Wednesday, leaving a wife and three kids.

What the hell is up with the world??

Posted by: toby928© mixes his memes at January 12, 2013 05:33 PM (QupBk)

14 Close proximity to large IED's has rendered some of us deaf. Videos without subtitles or closed caption are passed up. Transcript???

Posted by: CSMBigBird at January 12, 2013 05:34 PM (l7h8K)

15 DECKER!

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 12, 2013 05:37 PM (MPjT8)

16 Y'all are dancing football all over this poor guys death thread.

For shame.


TD Denver.

Posted by: toby928© mixes his memes at January 12, 2013 05:37 PM (QupBk)

17 MORENO!

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 12, 2013 05:37 PM (MPjT8)

18 FINKLE. Laces out

Posted by: CSMBigBird at January 12, 2013 05:38 PM (l7h8K)

19 Alas, I couldn't find a transcript anywhere for the talk. I can try and transcribe it myself, but that's gonna take some time.

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 12, 2013 05:38 PM (BNacf)

20 Damn , toby ..... just damn .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at January 12, 2013 05:39 PM (BYxr7)

21 Ok, I asked for drink recommendations earlier today. Maker's Mark was suggested. Just bought a bottle of Maker's 46. In about 3 hrs I'll be able to give it a shot.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 12, 2013 05:39 PM (Fszvc)

22 #19 @PurpAv wrote, "Alas, I couldn't find a transcript anywhere for the talk. I can try and transcribe it myself, but that's gonna take some time."

Thanks.

Posted by: Looking Glass at January 12, 2013 05:39 PM (g3wOT)

23 Thank You.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at January 12, 2013 05:40 PM (l7h8K)

24 Re : Makers Mark .

Good luck having one shot .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at January 12, 2013 05:41 PM (BYxr7)

25 That's the great thing about big screen TVs. Closed captioning.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at January 12, 2013 05:41 PM (l7h8K)

26 Damn , toby ..... just damn .

Yeah, no joke. He developed severe paranoia starting in the fall, quit his job in November. They had some long standing financial troubles too but I figured they were used to those.

I hope to hell he had life insurance, and for longer than two years.

I'm thinking brain tumor but who knows?

Posted by: toby928© mixes his memes at January 12, 2013 05:42 PM (QupBk)

27 8 Is there a transcript of Aaron Swartz's talk? Better yet, can some give us a short summary?

He talks about how 'Copyright Infringement' could be the way of censoring the Internet...that some have been looking for.
And how 'copyrights' are...everywhere.

He talks about how he set out to stop the copyright infringement legislation that was in congress, in 2010...SOPA.
And how what he did, was effective.

Mocking the Tyranny of it...is what was effective.

Posted by: wheatie at January 12, 2013 05:43 PM (fH4X9)

28 Life insurance doesn't typically pay out for suicide IIRC

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 12, 2013 05:43 PM (Fszvc)

29 Sorry to hear that Toby. Permanent solution to temporary problem. I've seen it up close to. Sucks.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at January 12, 2013 05:43 PM (l7h8K)

30 Maybe if you play it in slo-mo you'll be able to hear it.

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 12, 2013 05:44 PM (MPjT8)

31 30 Ya think?

Posted by: CSMBigBird at January 12, 2013 05:44 PM (l7h8K)

32 wheatie didn't come back quick, so she must'a got drawn in too...

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 12, 2013 05:45 PM (BNacf)

33 hanged himself

Posted by: grammar grinch at January 12, 2013 05:45 PM (Dll6b)

34 Thanks, PurpAv- I forgot about the deaf thing, too. Guns & high explosives. Led an "eclectic" life & getting old. Damn it.

Posted by: backhoe at January 12, 2013 05:45 PM (ULH4o)

35 That's the great thing about big screen TVs. Closed captioning.>>

THe video above is closed captioned. Hover your pointer over the vid and Click on CC on the lower tool bar a second popup lets lets you set to English and they start.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 12, 2013 05:46 PM (81UWZ)

36 Life insurance doesn't typically pay out for suicide IIRC

It appears from googling about that Alabama requires an incontestability clause after two years, as long as you haven't missed any premium payments.

My have this nightmare fear is that like in some ghastly O'Henry story, he killed himself so his family could have the money, but his wife had canceled the policy to use the money for his treatment.

She doesn't seem totally freaked out so I hope it's just some irrational horror that occurred to me.

I think I'm getting paranoid myself.

Posted by: toby928© mixes his memes at January 12, 2013 05:47 PM (QupBk)

37 Thanks Buzz, doesn't work on iPad will look at it later.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at January 12, 2013 05:48 PM (l7h8K)

38 Toby ,

Was he older ? The only reason I ask is I ' m there as well . I've got business interests tied up in someone who is not all there , mentally .

It sucks .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at January 12, 2013 05:48 PM (BYxr7)

39 I forgot to see the toolbar you have to start the vid and then hover your pointer over it.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 12, 2013 05:49 PM (81UWZ)

40 My wife has orders--if I get Alzheimer's take me to the Rockies in February and turn me loose in the woods.

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 12, 2013 05:49 PM (MPjT8)

41 Irresistible force can NOT be resisted. It's irresistible. Language is defeatistism. Talkin' ain't doin'. I'm just sayin'.

Posted by: Yet another Dave at January 12, 2013 05:49 PM (CcnGw)

42 32 wheatie didn't come back quick, so she must'a got drawn in too...

Was reading the WSJ article you linked, as well.

Such a shame that this young man took his life.
He was smart, articulate...and seemed willing to entertain reasonable ideas.

Posted by: wheatie at January 12, 2013 05:50 PM (fH4X9)

43 I feel the hurt for those who knew him, and all those who know that he had so much more which he still could have accomplished. A family friend of ours, another boy of 26 who seemed to have great opportunities, also hung himself a few months ago. It's hard to imagine the kind of internal hell that those with true clinical depression deal with on a daily basis. But I will hazard an opinion that for those who are trying to figure out "why?", the answer has little to nothing to do with any external circumstances.

Posted by: tom servo at January 12, 2013 05:50 PM (hTDbY)

44 Thanks Buzz, doesn't work on iPad will look at it later.>>

I forget that there are all those other options to view things on the internet since I only use the old PC.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 12, 2013 05:50 PM (81UWZ)

45 Born in '63 I think so he would have turned 50 this year. He had a boy out of high school, and a boy and a girl still in HS. Visitation Tuesday I heard.

He's the husband of my wife's friend so not one of my posse per se, but it still hit close to home.

Posted by: toby928© mixes his memes at January 12, 2013 05:51 PM (QupBk)

46 Suicide is a big problem in the armed forces ranks right now. But, surprisingly the majority have never seen combat.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at January 12, 2013 05:53 PM (l7h8K)

47 :::He talks about how 'Copyright Infringement' could be the way of censoring the Internet...that some have been looking for.
And how 'copyrights' are...everywhere.

He talks about how he set out to stop the copyright infringement legislation that was in congress, in 2010...SOPA.
And how what he did, was effective.

Mocking the Tyranny of it...is what was effective. :::

Righthaven, LLC and their shitbag CEO Steve Gibson tried the copyright-trolling business model and got their ass handed to them.

Now some Irish newspapers are trying something similar. I doubt they'll be successful.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 12, 2013 05:54 PM (rpFf/)

48 CSM--is that for Command Sarn't Major?

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 12, 2013 05:54 PM (MPjT8)

49 Yes retired after 30 plus

Posted by: CSMBigBird at January 12, 2013 05:54 PM (l7h8K)

50 the answer has little to nothing to do with any external circumstances.

I look forward to the day when we can fix all mental problems through biochemistry. Imagine, nobody need be unhappy or suffer from paranoia. Well, except that kind of power comes with a substantial potential downside.

I wish the human race was wiser.

Posted by: pep at January 12, 2013 05:55 PM (6TB1Z)

51
Yes retired after 30 plusPosted by: CSMBigBird at January 12, 2013 05:54 PM (l7h8K)====
salute
there are plenty of ex-doggies I think that comment here

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 12, 2013 05:56 PM (MPjT8)

52 Suicide, murder rampage. But, let's save some money on mental health. Definitely not wiser.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at January 12, 2013 05:56 PM (l7h8K)

53 come on Harbaugh quit whining

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 12, 2013 05:57 PM (MPjT8)

54 You lost me when you said twenty minutes

Posted by: Dave at January 12, 2013 05:58 PM (v2Cb9)

55 Thanks

Posted by: CSMBigBird at January 12, 2013 05:59 PM (l7h8K)

56 Command Sergeant Major is like a Command Master Chief, yes? Top non-comm on a base?

Posted by: toby928© mixes his memes at January 12, 2013 05:59 PM (QupBk)

57 Me . Born in '64 , makes me .... old . The guy I'm talking about is 66 years old and detoriates mentally day by day . It seems we could have a very interesting conversation about paranoia .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at January 12, 2013 05:59 PM (BYxr7)

58
Swartz makes some really good points about 'copyright infringement'...

While it can be "theft" as some point out...the freedom to share information on the Internet, should not be infringed.

It is sooo easy to be guilty of 'copyright infringement'...often without realizing that you are doing it.

He points out, that even Orin Hatch was found to have infringed on some copyrighted material...in what he filed in Congress, in support of SOPA!

The problem with enforcing a new law about 'copyright infringement' on the Internet...is that the potential is there to effectively shut down a lot of information-sharing and blogging that is going on.

In pointing out the Tyranny of SOPA...Swartz says that the whole subject is now so toxic, that no one in Congress even wants to bring it up now.

Posted by: wheatie at January 12, 2013 05:59 PM (fH4X9)

59 Yes Toby

Posted by: CSMBigBird at January 12, 2013 05:59 PM (l7h8K)

60 Nice, so that makes you an angry god.

Posted by: toby928© mixes his memes at January 12, 2013 06:00 PM (QupBk)

61 Very angry most of the time but no god. Only god like.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at January 12, 2013 06:01 PM (l7h8K)

62 I know tormented people kill themselves, and I hope there is peace for him, but damn it is a selfish thing to do to the people who care about you.

I cannot see beyond that.

Posted by: BurtTC at January 12, 2013 06:01 PM (BeSEI)

63 I agree Burt, to me that was the hardest thing in the world. Tell parents their child was gone like that. Way worse than combat related death.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at January 12, 2013 06:03 PM (l7h8K)

64 I cannot see beyond that.

Word. I think we do an autopsy here for suicide, since it's technically a homicide. I hope it turns out that there was some organic problem.

Posted by: toby928© mixes his memes at January 12, 2013 06:03 PM (QupBk)

65 Damn it Denver

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 12, 2013 06:04 PM (MPjT8)

66 Very interesting talk. The young man had a real passion for internet freedom but I wonder how he would have felt about ObamaCare both in the content (where like SOPA, the members of Congress/Senate for the most part didn't understand the content or implications of what they were passing) and the way it was run through. In any event, a bright and driven young man who helped turn back yet another assault on freedom of speech. RIP Mr. Swartz.

Posted by: scr_north at January 12, 2013 06:04 PM (RpFyG)

67 In pointing out the Tyranny of SOPA...Swartz says that the whole subject
is now so toxic, that no one in Congress even wants to bring it up now.


Yep. Politicians respond to pain. Burn'em good and hard on something and you can inoculate yourself against further attempts for a while...at least until memories fade and office staffs change.

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 12, 2013 06:05 PM (BNacf)

68 The article said he may have been suffering from depression.
And that he lived in NYC.

I think I would get depressed if I lived in NYC...or in any big city, really.

Posted by: wheatie at January 12, 2013 06:05 PM (fH4X9)

69 When you go up against the military industrial complex your time on Earth is limited. In the end it always looks like suicide, or a single shooter.

Posted by: sTevo at January 12, 2013 06:08 PM (VMcEw)

70 Think I'll drink awhile. Later Ron's and ette's

Posted by: CSMBigBird at January 12, 2013 06:08 PM (l7h8K)

71 47....Righthaven, LLC and their shitbag CEO Steve Gibson tried the copyright-trolling business model and got their ass handed to them. Now some Irish newspapers are trying something similar. I doubt they'll be successful.

I don't see how theycould possibly enforce it,EoJ.

Posted by: wheatie at January 12, 2013 06:12 PM (fH4X9)

72 Really liked the video. A gentle reminder of the policy success our side could have, even against the headwinds of well-financed opponents and their lackeys in the media.


One small victory from today: the Treasury and the Fed have put the kibosh on the cosmically stupid idea of the trillion-dollar platinum coin. An idea, the Politico article linked to below points out in its first paragraph, that the White House was taking seriously.


http://tinyurl.com/bnths9u

Posted by: crisis du jour at January 12, 2013 06:12 PM (DFGPG)

73 Sad story. RSS was invented by this guy at the tender age of 14, or so I have read.

Posted by: navybrat at January 12, 2013 06:12 PM (5NO2z)

74 New must-read Bob Owens is up: http://tinyurl.com/bb3krcv

Posted by: DAve at January 12, 2013 06:13 PM (XDC0v)

75 Harbaugh and Ray Lewis can die in fire for all I care bastids deserve each other.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at January 12, 2013 06:14 PM (T8HxF)

76 Wonder if it was a real suicide or a David Carradine accident.

Posted by: SGT Dan's Cat at January 12, 2013 06:16 PM (1UCCk)

77 Really sorry to hear about it Toby. Suicide is....I don't know. It affects people even more than normal it seems. Thoughts and prayers for those affected.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 12, 2013 06:16 PM (Fszvc)

78 67...Yep. Politicians respond to pain. Burn'em good and hard on something and you can inoculate yourself against further attempts for a while...at least until memories fade and office staffs change.

It's been a while, since they tried to ram through some gun-control legislation.

Part of the reason why the R's were able to take both houses of Congress, back in 1994...was the ban on AR's that Clinton signed.

And now...with so many people becoming 'preppers', and arming themselves like never before...it is really stoopid for the Dems to be talking about any sort of gun-grabbing.

Posted by: wheatie at January 12, 2013 06:17 PM (fH4X9)

79 Super-important new Bracken too: http://tinyurl.com/b42wlhs

Posted by: DAve at January 12, 2013 06:17 PM (XDC0v)

80 When you go up against the military industrial complex your time on Earth is limited. In the end it always looks like suicide, or a single shooter.

Looks like this guy went up against the lawyer-government complex.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 12, 2013 06:18 PM (xSegX)

81 Again, how do we know Aaron Schwarz hung himself?


Posted by: Al at January 12, 2013 06:21 PM (V70Uh)

82 http://bit.ly/UV5WqK

Single shooter got this guy.

Posted by: sTevo at January 12, 2013 06:21 PM (VMcEw)

83 3
So.....no Saturday gaming thread, eh?

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Not this early. Heck, it sometimes happens late Sunday night.

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at January 12, 2013 06:25 PM (1c58W)

84 Suicide. Forbidden in Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

Suicide is for heathens. They don't believe in God. They don't believe in prayer.

I will pray for the guy who commits suicide. Perhaps he was mentally ill and didn't know what he was doing. But for all the egotists out there that break the hearts of their families and friends and run away there is no repentance once it is too late.

Posted by: Al at January 12, 2013 06:26 PM (V70Uh)

85 84 All sin is forbidden in Judaism, Christianity and Islam. A suicide could repent and ask forgiveness before they do the deed. No point in repenting if you're never going to do anything again

Posted by: DAve at January 12, 2013 06:29 PM (XDC0v)

86 Miss Marple.....we did walk through downtown and had a blast. Ate at great restaurants, loved the war memorial, and were generally thrilled to see how clean and well layed out the place was. Indy is a hidden gem!

Posted by: Cheri at January 12, 2013 06:29 PM (EAgmr)

87 Great video. Terrible loss, so young.

Posted by: thunderb at January 12, 2013 06:30 PM (B6Ijk)

88 27 Whaetie,

while he was my enemy on many things he was an ally on a few.

I cannot condone his choice to exit, I can mourn the loss of a person who grasped knowledge is if not free to be shared unless implicitly a trade secret.

*salute*

Posted by: sven10077 at January 12, 2013 06:35 PM (LRFds)

89 Too much douche to get to the point. I listened to a couple minutes of douche, then I skipped to about 8 minutes and it was still douchetronno mcdouche.

I really, *really* really prefer to read than watch a video of someone yammering. I can skim and get the point, or even if it isn't something I can skim I can read it faster than they say it and listen to something else.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 12, 2013 06:36 PM (bxiXv)

90 Toby 928th,

Suicide is a tragedy on many folds.

Two things are certain:

1) the worst may yet be to come

2) you wake up until you don't

I can't believe a person casually leaves those people behind.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 12, 2013 06:36 PM (LRFds)

91 38 Bill D Cat,

start grooming a back-up....

there's a reason they tell us we're all expendable in the infantry....

in a well oiled machine we have to be.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 12, 2013 06:37 PM (LRFds)

92
I had a lifetime girlfriend commit suicide last year. Left 2 kids, a loving husband. She had serious depression and would not seek help even with all of us urging her. She was raised "Pick Yourself up by your own bootstraps" and we could not convince her otherwise.
Her children are devasted and will of course never be the same. I loved her and feel compassion but I'm really still angry at her too.

Posted by: Cheri at January 12, 2013 06:38 PM (EAgmr)

93 Jewish yes, observant probably not. We impoverish our children when we don't give them a spiritual foundation at least. Dont know if it would have made a difference here tho. Most life insurance pays for suicide BTW.

Posted by: thunderb at January 12, 2013 06:40 PM (B6Ijk)

94 46 CSMBigBird,

The mission is being undermined from the top. Deployer or no the morale sucks they know the job is very much tenuous since giggles wants to balance the budget on their backs and that any fuckups in drawdown get paid for in blood.

PC bullshit which was too high under Bush has doubled under Choom king.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 12, 2013 06:40 PM (LRFds)

95 PS OT yes the sidebar has been very good the last couple of days - and I noticed someone was working on it late last night as well.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 12, 2013 06:41 PM (bxiXv)

96 >>Suicide. Forbidden in Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
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I'm with you on the first two but the third one I am calling bull shit.

Posted by: sTevo at January 12, 2013 06:41 PM (VMcEw)

97 28 Life insurance doesn't typically pay out for suicide IIRC
Posted by: BCochran1981 at January 12, 2013 05:43 PM (Fszvc)


It does if the policy has been in force for more than two years. Yes, it does. I'm in the industry, trust me.

Posted by: Weirddave at January 12, 2013 06:41 PM (aH+zP)

98 84 Al,

It is not ours to take if you are super strict and frankly should never be even pondered being taken lightly.

I've pondered it, and it was because of ego and a temper tantrum that fate had taken dreams from me.

My wife talked me down, and I am ashamed of it.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 12, 2013 06:42 PM (LRFds)

99 96 Stevo,

"suicide" not "martyrdom"

yeah it's horseshit...."nuance"

Posted by: sven10077 at January 12, 2013 06:43 PM (LRFds)

100 95 Mero,

the sidebar was hopping....Ace was on a brisk pace.

A good two days here at club happy.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 12, 2013 06:43 PM (LRFds)

101 A waste and a terrible legacy to loved ones.

Posted by: thunderb at January 12, 2013 06:44 PM (B6Ijk)

102 Suicide. Forbidden in Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

O RLY?

Posted by: Mohamed Atta at January 12, 2013 06:44 PM (vzUSW)

103 92 Cheri,

I'm sorry for all your loss.

They are undermining our entire culture with their games.

If you clawed your way up just to see free Shit Army ascendant it has to be galling....probably moreso the less political you are about such things.

You can't force help, God knows we all wish we could.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 12, 2013 06:45 PM (LRFds)

104 Good article below about how he didn't like Government interference into the Internet despite being a big Obama supporter (via reddit) and a fervent anti-Christian.

http://bit.ly/Y1qNNZ

Posted by: edmund at January 12, 2013 06:46 PM (swvMu)

105 It is just sad that this guy and his like fail to understand all of the constitution's protections from government. He is probably working just as hard to control guns.

Posted by: ALL_IS_LOST at January 12, 2013 06:46 PM (T/L2Z)

106 81 Al,

yeah it is odd that Keith FPS Russia, Noveske, and others have all fallen this yule......

I don't think it is much of anything but the Reaper grinning sadly.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 12, 2013 06:47 PM (LRFds)

107 95 PS OT yes the sidebar has been very good the last couple of days - and I noticed someone was working on it late last night as well.

Yes it has, Merov.
I've been enjoying it...and I never know 'where' to express my thanks.

So I will do it now.
Thanks to all the cob loggers for their postings in the Sidebar!
Great work, guys.

Posted by: wheatie at January 12, 2013 06:47 PM (fH4X9)

108 Didn't know Swartz played football.

Posted by: CraigPoe at January 12, 2013 06:48 PM (BVkEs)

109 " If he didnít distrust Jesus so much, he would have discovered that he
was actually a fledgling conservative- NOT a progressive. "

Yep. He was waking up. A full transformation can take decades, but he'd clearly taken the first steps down the road.

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 12, 2013 06:51 PM (BNacf)

110 Is there a point at which a government becomes so corrupt that it loses it's ability to get anything done?

Just wondering.

Posted by: Courtesy Flush at January 12, 2013 06:51 PM (8lB0x)

111 This kid sees some things so clearly, and others not so much.

The line about "congress never works like this", referencing normal gridlock, doesn't seem to recognize its totalitarian nature if left to its own devices unnoticed.

Normal sausage making has little to do with naked power grabs.

I supposed if he wasn't a 2nd Amendment advocate recent slambang efforts wouldn't have bothered him so much, but internet freedom certainly has been critical in that regard.

RIP

It's very possible that he had much more to contribute.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 12, 2013 06:51 PM (aZ6ew)

112 >>Posted by: ALL_IS_LOST at January 12, 2013 06:46 PM (T/L2Z)

Go back to balloonjuice, faggotass.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 12, 2013 06:51 PM (LVtr+)

113 Suicide...is one of those things that has 'degrees', imho.

While it can be a selfish act in some cases...
It can also be an unselfish one, in other cases.

For example, when a soldier dives onto a live grenade to shield his fellow warriors from harm.

Or when a mother jumps in front of an oncoming bus...to save her child, knowing that she will likely be hit.

There are also cases where someone is already dying a horrible slow death, has no hope of ever being useful again...and chooses to bring their misery to an end.

So, I find it hard to condemn suicide in all cases.
Each case has some different circumstances.

Posted by: wheatie at January 12, 2013 06:55 PM (fH4X9)

114 Burn'em good and hard on something and you can inoculate yourself
against further attempts for a while...at least until memories fade and
office staffs change.


I don't think it took with "immigration reform".

Posted by: pep at January 12, 2013 06:56 PM (6TB1Z)

115 113
Suicide...is one of those things that has 'degrees', imho.



While it can be a selfish act in some cases...

It can also be an unselfish one, in other cases.



For example, when a soldier dives onto a live grenade to shield his fellow warriors from harm.



Or when a mother jumps in front of an oncoming bus...to save her child, knowing that she will likely be hit.



There are also cases where someone is already dying a horrible slow
death, has no hope of ever being useful again...and chooses to bring
their misery to an end.



So, I find it hard to condemn suicide in all cases.

Each case has some different circumstances.



Posted by: wheatie at January 12, 2013 06:55 PM (fH4X9)

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Very, very well said. Worth repeating.

Posted by: CraigPoe at January 12, 2013 06:57 PM (BVkEs)

116 113 Wheatie,

The first is sacrifice, that is noble not suicide.

Greater love hath no man than...

the second is gambling your life while attempting to guarantee your child's again noble.....

like firefighting.

The last is the one I have the most qualms about begrudging in suicide.

I think perhaps it is just acknowledging defeat.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 12, 2013 06:57 PM (LRFds)

117 No, Social Security (with no private option) is NOT "fantastic." Nor is socialized medicine. Otherwise interesting speech.

Posted by: Devan at January 12, 2013 06:58 PM (tw8WA)

118
here's a question I'll bet none of you know the answer or aren't sure:

Does there exist Muslim charities?

In other words, do mosques raise money to help the poor or to contibute to the community?

Posted by: soothsayer at January 12, 2013 06:58 PM (SljXf)

119 Short summary, the man tried and in many cases successfully removed layers of bureaucratic crap that was suffocating innovations and limiting the individual.

Only 26 years old, very sad ending to such a promising young man.

Posted by: johnc_ex-dem at January 12, 2013 06:59 PM (3Kxux)

120 In other words, do mosques raise money to help the poor or to contibute to the community?





Posted by: soothsayer at January 12, 2013 06:58 PM (SljXf)

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No, they mostly raise suicide bombers.

Posted by: CraigPoe at January 12, 2013 07:01 PM (BVkEs)

121 117 Devan,

He was a bit of a dought headed idealist on socialism and underestimates how tyrannical both sets of clowns are TOGETHER.


Posted by: sven10077 at January 12, 2013 07:01 PM (LRFds)

122
No, Social Security (with no private option) is NOT "fantastic." Nor is socialized medicine.


I cut him some slack over that stuff because of his youth. I believed all that shit when I was a young liberal too soon out of the womb to have learned any better

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 12, 2013 07:02 PM (BNacf)

123
Has anyone here ever once heard of a Muslim helping anyone as the Catholics, Mormons, etc. do?

Do muslims have soup kitchens or set up food drives?




Posted by: soothsayer at January 12, 2013 07:02 PM (+7i2c)

124 122 PA,

26 ain't that young IMHO....

I got the joke on the Ponzi Scheme at 12 years.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 12, 2013 07:03 PM (LRFds)

125 Does there exist Muslim charities?

Yea, there's some legit ones. Red Crescent being the most prominent.

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 12, 2013 07:03 PM (BNacf)

126 26 ain't that young IMHO.

Its only a few years out of the state run indoctrination centers. AKA schools.

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 12, 2013 07:05 PM (BNacf)

127 126 PA,

I guess a lot changed in the 14 years we were apart.

A LOT of us distrusted the teachers and their moonbattery had a LOT of us young conservatives.

"what changed?"

Posted by: sven10077 at January 12, 2013 07:06 PM (LRFds)

128 "Does there exist Muslim charities?



In other words, do mosques raise money to help the poor or to contibute to the community?
"

from what I understand, they are more "conversion" type things.
If you need food, you will get food, but also a sermon (or coercion) to
get converted into their religion. And there really are not that many
muslim "charities" in the same sense of how christian charities are, there is one, the Red Cresent, but that was created because they didn't what the Red Cross in their countries. The
religion itself is not one of empathy or sympathy, just look at all the
trouble in the Middle East, one type of muslim wants to annihilate
another type of muslim, and if they're not muslim, well, that's
even worse in their view.

Posted by: johnc_ex-dem at January 12, 2013 07:06 PM (3Kxux)

129

a charity doesn't count if it excludes non-Muslims

Posted by: soothsayer at January 12, 2013 07:06 PM (GcwH1)

130 The government(OUR government) hounded this guy to death.He was neither the first nor the last.

Posted by: steevy at January 12, 2013 07:07 PM (9XBK2)

131 >>>the Red Cresent, but that was created because they didn't what the Red Cross in their countries.

Exactly.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 12, 2013 07:09 PM (8dspl)

132 Does there exist Muslim charities?

In other words, do mosques raise money to help the poor or to contibute to the community?

Posted by: soothsayer at January 12, 2013 06:58 PM (SljXf)


On the whole I would say "nominally." Depending on the Imam or sect, some do indeed provide services to the poor, though they are always under great pressure to help *only* poor Muslims. I say always, I should say always in Muslim countries, a few here in the US do outside their group.

BUT the average "Muslim Charity" sends money only to proselytizers or revolutionaries. And when there is a great need in Muslim areas (like Indonesia), Muslim charities tend to send only a pittance compared to Western nations. The statistics for that are available online.

They do talk about it an awful lot, but don't accomplish much in terms of "helping the needy." It's kind of a back-burner thing.

Part of the reason for that is all the little tribal conflicts they tend to have - sunnis not sending aid to shia etc. Also fatalism, "god wills it."

Red Crescent has tried to provide aid around the world, depending on who you ask they have done credit to themselves or just piggybacked on Red Cross, but they have also done things like allow terrorists to use papers and vehicles in Palestine, so the record is a little tarnished. Or a lot.

More than one Islamic Charity has been either indicted or an unindicted co-conspirator in terror cases.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 12, 2013 07:09 PM (bxiXv)

133 130 Steevy,

Yup that I can buy.

He was a lib being betrayed by his own.

That has to suck.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 12, 2013 07:10 PM (LRFds)

134 I am happy to know that I stirred up a hornets nest.

The Koran forbids suicide. If Muslims want to find some way to rationalize it as Jihad, I don't want to be their lawyer before God.

Posted by: Al at January 12, 2013 07:11 PM (V70Uh)

135 This game is killing me. Drinking more.

Posted by: Cheri at January 12, 2013 07:11 PM (EAgmr)

136 I read a little of what Swartz wrote - you can never judge people by a few articles or blog posts, but if you could, I would say typical urban lefty, self-righteous, made a bundle and now wants other people to live under an economic system that would prevent them from joining him.

Yes, we should learn their tactics. Wish I could do so without swimming in a tank of Old Spice Douche for Men.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 12, 2013 07:13 PM (bxiXv)

137 28-28. End of the 3rd qtr.

Fun game huh?

Posted by: Al at January 12, 2013 07:15 PM (V70Uh)

138 sven ,

I'm not in the habit of kicking people to the curb . On the other hand , my patience wears thin .

I do not understand paranoia .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at January 12, 2013 07:15 PM (BYxr7)

139 136 Mero,

well look at his self-fellation over "the people risiing up to stop SOPA" and I'd bet my left nut the NRA surge and gun buy stopping "sensible gun control" would piss hom off...

"cognitive dissonance" it's what's for last supper.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 12, 2013 07:15 PM (LRFds)

140 138 Bill D Cat,

it is the mating of hypervigilance with dark imagination...

a potent poison....

trust me I know.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 12, 2013 07:16 PM (LRFds)

141 Charity (agape love) is not an Islamic value.

Posted by: Al at January 12, 2013 07:16 PM (V70Uh)

142 Purple Avenger one thing I will say...while it is true that our battle against SOPA was not aided by the newsies they simply tried to ignore it.

Our dilemma is a bit different the newsies are actively lying through omission and commission about what is going on.

Yes his methodology may well be the baseline, but this is a more complex matter.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 12, 2013 07:18 PM (LRFds)

143 I ended up listening to 19 minutes of this and I didn't hear anything that might be helpful. Unless you get really lucky.

Posted by: Truman North at January 12, 2013 07:18 PM (I2LwF)

144 "cognitive dissonance" it's what's for last supper.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 12, 2013 07:15 PM (LRFds)


For some people it's for *every* meal!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 12, 2013 07:19 PM (bxiXv)

145 143 Truman North,

What "got lucky" for him was that Ace was beside Kos essentially if memory serves on this ONE issue.

This go around the newsies are in collusion with Kos to try to kill us.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 12, 2013 07:20 PM (LRFds)

146 That video in the sidebar on how a virus infects a cell is like the movie Aliens.

Posted by: Waldo at January 12, 2013 07:20 PM (H96hE)

147 Some day I intend to write a comment (since all the bloggers here ingnore my emails) about Access Versus Activism or something like that.

Or: you can't put pressure on politicians from the inside

Posted by: Truman North at January 12, 2013 07:21 PM (I2LwF)

148
muslim "charity" is a lot like Obama's Stimulus:

targeted spending on only those who share the same ideology.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 12, 2013 07:21 PM (xVKk3)

149 144 Mero,

I hope I just snack on it...

but yeah.

Sad he did himself in, what's sadder is he did not follow through his "we have to help" impulse to grasp that "helping" is stabilization and empowering the poor not trapping them.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 12, 2013 07:22 PM (LRFds)

150 sven ,

A qestion .
Would the perfect job be a circular floor with doors to check if they're locked ? And someone unlocking them right behind ?

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at January 12, 2013 07:22 PM (BYxr7)

151 This go around the newsies are in collusion with Kos to try to kill us.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 12, 2013 07:20 PM (LRFds)


"The Long March Through The Institutions" was apparently not the hill to die on.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 12, 2013 07:22 PM (bxiXv)

152 147 Truman North,

TN you remember back in '11 I said it may well be time to ponder "plan b?"

Plan B was taking over the democrat party by infiltration and purging the reds.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 12, 2013 07:23 PM (LRFds)

153 ^question works better

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at January 12, 2013 07:24 PM (BYxr7)

154 150 Bill D cat,

civil service so I know I can retire at near full pay, or private sector where I am under pressure for results?

Heh.....

That would be a good neo-Chaplin bit actually

Posted by: sven10077 at January 12, 2013 07:24 PM (LRFds)

155 Hey Purp

I wanted to say thank you for your thoughtful posts. I think adding you and CBD as cobs was a good thing. You two keep the blog hopping on weekends and fill in gaps by putting up posts when no one else seems to be paying attention. Though I'm not sure about CBD. The guy seems to have an evil agenda to get us all fat and permanently drunk.

Posted by: L, elle at January 12, 2013 07:25 PM (0PiQ4)

156 151 Mero,

It may have been....I was -4 at best when they started and arguably the cancer was implanted in the victim in the '20 by Uncle Joe and friends.

We lack the resolve in current GOP leadership to identify the problem and the GOp as a whole lacks the will to use fire and sword to burn the collectivist rot out of our national soul....

on the bright side though Obama will make this nation every bit the paradise he made his "organized communitay" in Chicago....

so "there's that"

Posted by: sven10077 at January 12, 2013 07:26 PM (LRFds)

157 This was a great video. It shows that falling ass-backwards into a flukey success can make even the most pointless nebbish into a minor celebrity.

His claim to fame is making a website, starting an Internet petition, and getting swept up in popular sentiment.

And he presents it like he's Mr. Smith Goes to Washington meets Han Solo of the Interhole.

Posted by: Truman North at January 12, 2013 07:28 PM (I2LwF)

158 I do remember that, sven! My plan b is to do exactly the same thing, but do it to the Republican Party.

Posted by: Truman North at January 12, 2013 07:29 PM (I2LwF)

159 143
I ended up listening to 19 minutes of this and I didn't hear anything that might be helpful. Unless you get really lucky.

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Listened to the whole thing. Didn't hear anything that wasn't done against TARP and Obamacare; didn't make a damn bit of difference in those cases.

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at January 12, 2013 07:30 PM (1c58W)

160 157 This was a great video. It shows that falling ass-backwards into a flukey success can make even the most pointless nebbish into a minor celebrity.

Posted by: Truman North at January 12, 2013 07:28 PM (I2LwF)


I'm still wondering what the Great Thing is that we're supposed to learn here. That people opposed something, spoke out against it, and it didn't happen?

They had boycotts and shouting and a little campaigning. I don't think any of that is new.

And SOPA wasn't backed by GIGANTOR interests, it was a few powerful lobbies and some control freaks. It wasn't the Great Rush To Loot The Country we've seen in the last few years, which has incentivized almost everyone to get "their piece of the pie."

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 12, 2013 07:32 PM (bxiXv)

161 >>>>fat and permanently drunk.

YES!!

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 12, 2013 07:33 PM (4Mv1T)

162 Denver may not beat the spread.

Posted by: Al at January 12, 2013 07:36 PM (V70Uh)

163 143

I ended up listening to 19 minutes of this and I didn't hear anything that might be helpful. Unless you get really lucky.

I wonder if the Pols were a little afraid that the nerds might bring the whole internet and inter-linked computer world crashing down around their ears.

Posted by: Grandma Mimi at January 12, 2013 07:39 PM (ko0I/)

164 Libertarians sure love drugs and mental illness, huh?

If you think this kid actually created anything, that's because you don't know what a computer is, or what it's for, even though you sit in front of one all day.


Posted by: WHAT at January 12, 2013 07:39 PM (clTAc)

165 well look at his self-fellation over "the people risiing up to stop
SOPA" and I'd bet my left nut the NRA surge and gun buy stopping
"sensible gun control" would piss hom off...

"cognitive dissonance" it's what's for last supper.
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He made no mention of Obamacare. At one point he seems to grasp the politicians (even Democrats!) want CONTROL. But its hard to tell if he grasps their desire does not end with the internet.

However, I do believe that there are times we put the idealism of the "true believer" liberals like him to use (I differentiate them, the useful idiots, from the control seeking statists). They do fancy themselves as freedom lovers, who speak truth to power, yadda yadda yadda. We on the right need to figure out better how to exploit this part of their self image better.

Posted by: Mayday at January 12, 2013 07:41 PM (F3s39)

166 I'm sorry to see him go, but I groaned for the first 20 seconds, and then the next 20 seconds, and then the next 20 seconds, and that carried on in increment of 20 seconds until I shut it off after about 4 minutes and 20 seconds.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at January 12, 2013 07:42 PM (46pA5)

167
watchin Big Bang Theory right now

not funny at all

Posted by: soothsayer at January 12, 2013 07:44 PM (vanqS)

168 The Denver - Baltimore game exciting.


Posted by: Al at January 12, 2013 07:47 PM (V70Uh)

169 In other news, how 'bout that Wolfpack?!?!

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 12, 2013 07:48 PM (4Mv1T)

170 this actually is a good speech, we should not lose hope.

Posted by: gigg at January 12, 2013 07:48 PM (dDD3H)

171

Bottom Line, if I recall Swartz's words correctly:

Swartz torpedoed a bill masterminded by Sen. Chris Dodd.

Posted by: Arbalest at January 12, 2013 07:49 PM (fQxC9)

172 Plan B was taking over the democrat party by infiltration and purging the reds.

Was Plan A to infiltrate the Republican Party? If so, we didn't do so hot.

Posted by: t-bird at January 12, 2013 07:49 PM (FcR7P)

173 Was Plan A to infiltrate the Republican Party?

Oh snap.

Posted by: toby928© Person of Pallor at January 12, 2013 07:50 PM (QupBk)

174 For some reason this kid only saw internet freedom at risk from the State.

I guess if you're an actual nerd you don't think about exercising your other (shrinking list) of traditional rights and freedoms like most conservatives do.

They are going for everything all the time non stop.

Too bad his (their) sense of urgency was so myopic.


Posted by: ontherocks at January 12, 2013 07:50 PM (aZ6ew)

175 Hanging yourself seems like a shit way to die.

Posted by: toby928© Person of Pallor at January 12, 2013 07:54 PM (QupBk)

176 Too bad his (their) sense of urgency was so myopic.
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I think that is a dangerous problem. The current generation is such a collection of pampered little fucking poodles they simply cannot comprehend true oppression. They do not see the threat to the second amendment in the same terms that we do I guess. It is a little hard to impress the importance of a gun to someone who has never had to rely on one for safety or food.

Posted by: gigg at January 12, 2013 07:55 PM (dDD3H)

177 From burger open thread,

Posted by: sven10077 at January 12, 2013 03:33 PM (LRFds)

Thank you Sven, we enjoyed our meal.
Carol

Posted by: CarolT at January 12, 2013 07:55 PM (z4WKX)

178 and certainly not one I would choose. I would think it would be easy to fake an accidental death that was quick.

Posted by: toby928© Person of Pallor at January 12, 2013 07:56 PM (QupBk)

179 I listened to the whole video. Heck, I even contacted my senator and congress men/womyn at the urging of my son at that time. He's a muscian and understands copyright laws, and yet, was against SOPA. He explained things, as this Schwartz did, that I didn't really understand till then.

But, time for CBD to put up a drinking thread. I'm depressed from this one.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 12, 2013 07:56 PM (4Mv1T)

180 What I found surprising, but really not was Chris Dodd was one of the primary if not the originator pushing it. As I recall he took quite some heat from the conservative side for his Countrywide loan sweetheart deal, and his role the financial crisis, and other corruption. Sounds like no coincidence that he would push something like SOPA to control the speech he didnt like at the time.

Posted by: BoGart at January 12, 2013 07:58 PM (Ugngr)

181 Overtime baby!


Posted by: Al at January 12, 2013 08:00 PM (V70Uh)

182 Ray Lewis is an unrepentant accessory to double murder.

Lets revere him some more.

Posted by: Sponge at January 12, 2013 08:02 PM (sw9Vn)

183 Ghost of Teeeee-bow!!

Screw you Denver!

Go niners!

Posted by: Sunny black at January 12, 2013 08:02 PM (aDo9o)

184 That may have been the shittiest defensive play I've ever seen.

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 12, 2013 08:02 PM (ijHK0)

185
self-righteous, made a bundle and now wants other people to live under an economic system that would prevent them from joining him.
Posted by: Merovign




Thank goodness we don't have anyone like that in our Repubican Party.

Posted by: George Jose Bush III - The Little Brown One

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 12, 2013 08:03 PM (kdS6q)

186 The over/under was 44. Huh?


Posted by: Al at January 12, 2013 08:03 PM (V70Uh)

187 Gay.Not even try to win.Worse than gay.

Posted by: steevy at January 12, 2013 08:04 PM (9XBK2)

188 Sooper.Gay.

Posted by: toby928© Person of Pallor at January 12, 2013 08:05 PM (QupBk)

189 177 Carol,

Happy to help. We made it tonight and it usually clears up the sinuses.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 12, 2013 08:06 PM (LRFds)

190 The plural of time-out is times-out.


Posted by: Al at January 12, 2013 08:08 PM (V70Uh)

191 and the plural of RBI is RBI.


Posted by: Al at January 12, 2013 08:09 PM (V70Uh)

192 Politicians who want to control the internet? Infringe on Constitutional rights? .... hang on.... checking my file where I keep notes on stuff that doesn't come immediately to me.... uh.... hmmm..... Nope,.... never heard them

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at January 12, 2013 08:09 PM (/jHWN)

193 The whole taking a knee thing, what a shit weasel move.

Posted by: Truman North at January 12, 2013 08:09 PM (etVB5)

194 193 I've said it before,I hate that rule.Make them run a play.

Posted by: steevy at January 12, 2013 08:10 PM (9XBK2)

195 I listened to audio portion of it for five minutes. I'm sorry he killed himself but I am Catholic and it's a sin in most religions. I occasionally go to a church and say a prayer and light candles but I can't sit through an entire mass.

Posted by: CarolT at January 12, 2013 08:11 PM (z4WKX)

196 OK, Denver can lose now. I don't care. I only kind of wanted them to win because I like the AFC West.

Posted by: Al at January 12, 2013 08:12 PM (V70Uh)

197 If you want to take a knee you should be required to actually take one.

.......that would cut down on that shit real quick.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 12, 2013 08:13 PM (aZ6ew)

198 Ok, I got halfway through and had to turn it off. I wanted to punch that little hipster douchebag in the face.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at January 12, 2013 08:14 PM (o1kXv)

199 Not a catch.

Posted by: Truman North at January 12, 2013 08:15 PM (etVB5)

200 Catch

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 12, 2013 08:16 PM (jucos)

201 Hate to say it but after giving up a touchdown that should never happen and taking a knee with 30 sec and 2 time outs left, Denver doesn't deserve to win this game.

Posted by: teej at January 12, 2013 08:18 PM (epFwI)

202 Only two bad calls in a row for Baltimore.

Posted by: t-bird at January 12, 2013 08:19 PM (FcR7P)

203
I wish Chrissssss Dodd(D) the demon spawn oftyrannywere dead.

Posted by: Fresh at January 12, 2013 08:22 PM (O7ksG)

204
I wonder if that evil Hollywood suck-up Chris Dodd was behind this kids persecution?

I bet he was.
Shame on Hollywood - gun violent hypocrites free speech stomping a-holes.

Posted by: Fresh at January 12, 2013 08:24 PM (O7ksG)

205 Just read the LA Times obit for Swartz. He was facing decades of prison for wire fraud and other stuff.

Like my brother taught me. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.


Posted by: Al at January 12, 2013 08:25 PM (V70Uh)

206 198- Colorado Alex, you did better than I did. I listened to five minutes and read email and still did not want to hear anymore of it

Posted by: CarolT at January 12, 2013 08:26 PM (z4WKX)

207 190
The plural of time-out is times-out.

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The plural of root beer is roots beer.

Posted by: Citizen Anachronda at January 12, 2013 08:30 PM (1c58W)

208
Not the best post for football. Be sure to listen to the end. Hollywoodmachine isplaying cover up with their corrupt democrat party hacks.

Posted by: Fresh at January 12, 2013 08:32 PM (O7ksG)

209 This must be a Twilight Zone episode. The NFL game that will never end.

Posted by: Al at January 12, 2013 08:33 PM (V70Uh)

210 165 Mayday,

Unl;ess my meonory is 180 degrees off he was a big fan of Obamacare.

I remember being pissed at reddit.

I'll look it up.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 12, 2013 08:34 PM (LRFds)

211 New NFC thread.

Posted by: mama winger at January 12, 2013 08:34 PM (P6QsQ)

212 172 T-bird,

No it was "win" and then fix the GOP.

We're stuck in a really bad place right now.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 12, 2013 08:35 PM (LRFds)

213 The problem isn't just the left. It is madness to think so, looking at how long it has taken for the US to get this oppressive (and I am not even talking about this young man's suicide).

Posted by: Baldy at January 12, 2013 08:38 PM (opS9C)

214 http://tinyurl.com/3rdxpwl

Red State article on his mail fraud....

http://tinyurl.com/yfx666e

Wayback machine of an article feting him in '06 when he was just a "progressive voice"....

yeah I'm gonna go out on a limb and say he was a fan of choom care, and the death of the 2d amendment....

Posted by: sven10077 at January 12, 2013 08:42 PM (LRFds)

215 Marcy Park syndrome.

Posted by: EROWMER at January 12, 2013 08:43 PM (kxlCQ)

216 213 baldy,

The right has an internal split that keeps it from getting too froggy.

I don't see it in the left anymore.

It used to be you could split FDR democrats from free shit army in a jam and protect property rights or keep the peceniks in check.

Now they are more concerned about 'winning"....

yeah both sides stink...one needs a bath the other a burial

Posted by: sven10077 at January 12, 2013 08:44 PM (LRFds)

217 and here it is mr. Swartz's f*ggy assed emo Toy Story 3 defense of communism that had me willing to mock his ass on sight.....


http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/toystory3pol

my fave pull line...

However, they quickly realize libertarian paradise is actually a far
worse nightmare than communism. Lotso explains that immigrants have to
work their way up, starting by doing the painful, backbreaking jobs that
the current population (all former immigrants themselves) wonít do.
There are a couple exceptions: Barbie is taken as a (Russian) mail-order
bride and the entrepreneurial Buzz is chosen for promotion to the
managerial class and resocialized so he wonít sympathize with his old
comrades.

Da comrade....da


Posted by: sven10077 at January 12, 2013 08:47 PM (LRFds)

218 Carol T. Sorry, but if you claim to be a Catholic, but don't go to Mass, you are NOT a Catholic. It's a quintessential part of who we Catholics are.

Posted by: CMU VET at January 12, 2013 08:49 PM (dPSpR)

219 218 CMU Vet,

yeah that's why I graduated to "Christian" or rather as i once thought of it "Protestant."

The Church wants me to come home it can fix a few things about bad padres, and decide if they will hold Democrats who go directly against the faith accountable at all.

The Church also may want to put the socialism down and return to simple charity.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 12, 2013 08:53 PM (LRFds)

220 Unl;ess my meonory is 180 degrees off he was a big fan of Obamacare.

I remember being pissed at reddit.

I'll look it up.
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Sven that does not surprise me. I watched the clip and don't know much else about him, but I thought he seemed a bit tunnel-visioned about the internet rather than recognizing the overall tyrannical turn the gov't has taken. He was only 26 but obviously bright and it's possible (had he lived), his own persecution by the gov't would have opened his eyes. At the time of the clip he
seemed like a lot of lefties who have a huge blind spot about
governments, power, history and tyranny.

Posted by: Mayday at January 12, 2013 08:54 PM (F3s39)

221 Is it just me or does he sound like every male announcer's voice on NPR ?

Posted by: DrDrill at January 12, 2013 08:57 PM (L3nHO)

222 Isn't it funny?

The Dems knew it was a censorship bill. They wrote it and were the last to abandon it.

The Repubs thought it was a copyright protection bill, to protect intellectual property.

So who's the stupid party and who's the evil party?

Posted by: Great Reagan's Ghost at January 12, 2013 08:57 PM (LsJAk)

223 220 Mayday,

Maybe....I used to think they were naive...Iinstead i suspect they either are knwoing commies or fellow travelers.

In essence I am to believe that large corporations are heartless assholes but large governments are angels...

except when they block drug use or hurt the net man....


um no how's about I follow the federalist and anti-federalist view and be wary of all power....?

I guess the nicest way I can put it is "salute" and like a ww1 pilot over the other side's aerodrome drop a wreath saying "in mourning of friend and enemy""

Posted by: sven10077 at January 12, 2013 09:07 PM (LRFds)

224 222 GRG,

the same split I've seen my whole life.

The GOP is like a set of special needs politicians.

We need new blood from the wars.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 12, 2013 09:08 PM (LRFds)

225 Looked at his Twitter and he was a Platinum Coin supporter. Hmmmm.

Posted by: Todd Wiley at January 12, 2013 09:09 PM (lrkg9)

226 The Church wants me to come home it can fix a few things about bad padres, and decide if they will hold Democrats who go directly against the faith accountable at all.

The Church also may want to put the socialism down and return to simple charity.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 12, 2013 08:53 PM (LRFds)

I'm with you on this one Sven. I believe its what is in your heart that matters, you do not have to go sit in a pew every week, or every day like some people to believe in God.

Posted by: CarolT at January 12, 2013 09:11 PM (z4WKX)

227 Posted by: CMU VET at January 12, 2013 08:49 PM (dPSpR)

I believe its what is in your heart that really matters. Do you think the Catholic pigs in Congress, Ted K, Nancy P, John Kerry, all for abortion go to Mass? I'm willing to bet Pelosi does, but does that make her a true Catholic? Protecting abortions above all?
I don't have to go to church. I pray in my home.

Posted by: CarolT at January 12, 2013 09:15 PM (z4WKX)

228 "crimes he's been accused of."

Nothing says guilty like hanging yourself instead of going to jail and paying a 4 million dollar fine.

Posted by: Carl at January 12, 2013 09:16 PM (v1O/0)

229 225 Todd Wiley,

money must be a joke anyway right since he got his so easy?

I hate self-loathing well to do folks.

Yeah the guy was a spurned moonbat confused why he was not protected by *his* people....

I'd lay money on it.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 12, 2013 09:22 PM (LRFds)

230 Carol T,

I am not vain enough to think i am smarter than the Pope or a better catholic than a bishop, I am smart enough to know I cannot condone a church that allows Nancy pelosi to flip the faith off directly and pretend she can lecture the Pope on faith.

I am content praising Him with Baptists, and i can sing praise alone.

God bless and keep you and keep faith.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 12, 2013 09:24 PM (LRFds)

231 rest in peace Aaron.

Posted by: ette at January 12, 2013 09:30 PM (nqBYe)

232 an srsly fk dodd

Posted by: ette at January 12, 2013 09:31 PM (nqBYe)

233 So who's the stupid party and who's the evil party?

Posted by: Great Reagan's Ghost at January 12, 2013 08:57 PM (LsJAk)


Well, I know for a certainty that if both of them agree on anything it will be a shit sammich for us, with a bacon and bleu cheese burger for them!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at January 12, 2013 09:31 PM (Cnqmv)

234 Nothing says guilty like hanging yourself instead of going to jail and paying a 4 million dollar fine.

Posted by: Carl at January 12, 2013 09:16 PM (v1O/0)


Fines issued by a corrupt totalitarian state are not necessarily have any relationship to actual guilt from committing an immoral act!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at January 12, 2013 09:35 PM (Cnqmv)

235 look wasn't there a LV nevada paper that would shut down websites that "used their material?

You might not agree with His personal style or hi choice of crusade, but in this case it wa a good call.

anyway rip

Posted by: ette at January 12, 2013 09:36 PM (nqBYe)

236
Well, I know for a certainty that if both of
them agree on anything it will be a shit sammich for us, with a bacon
and bleu cheese burger for them!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at January 12, 2013 09:31 PM (Cnqmv)

afkn men.

Posted by: ette at January 12, 2013 09:40 PM (nqBYe)

237
Fines issued by a corrupt totalitarian state are
not necessarily have any relationship to actual guilt from committing
an immoral act!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at January 12, 2013 09:35 PM (Cnqmv)

not like we haven't witnessed the maligning/wrecking of anyone that screws with the status quo these days.

Posted by: ette at January 12, 2013 09:41 PM (nqBYe)

238 235 ette,

all due respect I was running along with Ace and Aaron headlong at SOPA and the stifling of fair use.

Thing is that was not his "only crusade" and the other ones directly impacted my liberty.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 12, 2013 09:43 PM (LRFds)

239 I don't know if I would blame this entirely on depression. He certainly seemed functional enough. Most people depressed enough to commit suicide don't have the gumption to he off their ass and fraudulently use MIT's JSTOR subscription to steal millions of records so that they can "be free."

This kid doesn't strike me any different than that fat fuck Kim Dotcom. Only instead of the big pimpin' lifestyle, he wrapped himself in the cloak of "Internet Activist," whatever the fuck that is.

No, I think what depressed him the most was the very real possibility that he would be spending the next couple of decades in a federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison facility.

Vaya Con Dios, douchesocket. What a wasted life.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 12, 2013 10:04 PM (JDIKC)

240 Here are his followers gathering up a smear campaign against his case's prosecutor:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5048553

"4chan will take care of this and they will be effective."

Posted by: Dirt McGirt at January 12, 2013 10:17 PM (tUg3e)

241 When referring to execution, the proper term is "hanged himself," not "hung himself."

Posted by: logprof at January 13, 2013 12:08 AM (/wRoM)

242 Thank you for this.

We. Must. Fight.

Posted by: JohnKerryIsADoucheBag at January 13, 2013 01:56 AM (QTVh2)

243 "I know tormented people kill themselves, and I hope there is peace for him, but damn it is a selfish thing to do to the people who care about you."

"I cannot see beyond that."

It is far, far, FAR more selfish to require that people who are "tormented" live despite their decades of torment so that those who aren't tormented don't feel some pain.

Besides -- the government was literally trying to take his freedom away. That aggressive violence directed against him alone justified his action.

Posted by: Aaron Schwartz at January 13, 2013 02:46 AM (Db+Gl)

244
The government and Hollywood. We praise and watch Hollywood.
the corrupt Hollywood-democrat party fix is in.

Posted by: Fresh at January 13, 2013 05:05 AM (O7ksG)

245
Swartz was a progressive. He just wasn't careful about his allegiances.Hemessed with the corrupt Chris Dodd-Holewood machine.

Posted by: Fresh at January 13, 2013 05:07 AM (O7ksG)

246 Every fuckers says for SEO you need vid. Fuck that. I hate vid. Let me read. Vid should be used for porn, not to inform.

Posted by: CT Moron 2.1 at January 13, 2013 07:25 AM (Xf6HL)

247 "It is sooo easy to be guilty of 'copyright infringement'...often without realizing that you are doing it."

This is so true. Why, I had over seven thousand mpg music files before it occurred to me that I hadn't paid anyone for a single song for years! I was dumbfounded! This was obviously NOT my fault!

Posted by: bobby b at January 13, 2013 08:19 AM (uvdTG)

248 I'm sorry that this young man has decided to off himself. But after watching most of the video..he was self deluded. Yes..he was articulate. So was Hitler, Pol Pot, Assange. Articulation does not equal logical performance. It only means that he did what the others do..touched the hot button for some people. It does not signify right from wrong. He was an anarchist who wanted no rules..that is for him and his acolytes. His unstudied and juvenile perception of copyright law and consequence of going ahead and violating those laws because he didn't agree with them is a typical progressive's worldview is there for all to see. Part of the anarchist mindset is to return the world to no laws, no governance, no consequences. His citing of a meeting with a progressive senator who his own antedotal meanderings of that senator's mindset is..well...childish and undeveloped. He had no wisdom, only base reaction. So he had a good mind. So what. There are millions of those in this country alone who choose to do good over doing bad. He chose to do bad to feed his ego. I don't have any malice towards him, may he RIP. But please don't idolize a sufficiently self absorbed child who couldn't control himself.

Posted by: buffy at January 13, 2013 10:52 AM (INAPN)

249 Generation D-bag indeed.

But that said, I see a very talented young man who has reflected deeply and correctly on certain matters of individual liberty and tyranny. I think, if not for his screwed up and untimely demise he may well pulled a Norman Podhoretz/David Mamet a bit later in life, i.e. actually evolved into a self-identified and effective conservative.

It seems he already "got" the central idea that the impulse to seek power exists for its own sake, often manifested by a need to "control" things without regard to object. And to understand and call out "tyranny" for what it is a powerful mark of clear thinking that remains beyond most muddle-headed "progressives" for their whole natural lives.

If he had time to absorb the lesson, as articulated by Hayek, that it is precisely the worst of the worst who seek power and "control" for its own sake, who tend to dominate a collectivist value society, the evolution would I think have been complete.

Once you have that insight, the whole "progressive" agenda must unravel: as you see every "well intentioned" government program serving only to consolidate more power for the power-hungry, to erode more and more of the civil society and individual liberty.

Makes me think of Breitbart...

Also, does anyone have insight into this kid's prosecution? Not to be a conspiracy theorist, but seems that another Enemy of the State has jumped (or been pushed) to an untimely end.

Posted by: NYC Parent at January 13, 2013 12:04 PM (Yl/80)

250 I think many are missing the point that Swartz, for all of his defects and wrong-headed ideology, has something important to teach us CONSERVATIVES--that is, the perspective and instinct for us to WIN **OUR** FIGHTS, using creativity, imagination and refusing to be bound by rules and limitations imposed by our enemies.

It is astonishing how the national GOP has lost every single competitive molecule since the 1988 election (notice that that great come-from-behind landslide was managed by 2 men who have been out of GOP politics since then, Atwater, dead, and Ailes, at Fox). We HAVE had 2 tremendous wins since then--but 1994 was led by an outsider, Gingrich, whom the national GOP hated, and 2010 actually had no leader at all.

So a candid analysis like the one here from the late Mr Swartz is actually valuable for US. Like watching a coach describe how he won a championship, the principles he describes here are transferrable to any team. We just need to be willing to learn.

There is such a vacuum of political talent in the Repub party now, it's a miracle we still exist. Maybe we won't for much longer?

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at January 13, 2013 12:30 PM (FWwQD)

251 has something important to teach us CONSERVATIVES

Yep. That's why I posted it. A winning strategy has no ideology, it simply "is"

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 13, 2013 01:35 PM (BNacf)

252 Also, does anyone have insight into this kid's prosecution?


Copyright fraud, and a whole bunch of shit trumped out because they had a hard on for him (he made the wrong people look stupid).


What he did, was access a bunch of subscription research journals and data sets from MIT, with the intent to make them public without charging.


They were trying to lock him up for 35 years and wouldn't even offer him a plea deal. One of those "we'll make an example out of you" things.

Posted by: entropy at January 14, 2013 05:42 PM (zV+kv)

253 One of the more insightful parts of the video is when he talks about the fire in politicians eyes when they talk about how out of control the internet is.


The internet treats the David Gregory's of the world just like the Joe the Plumbers.

Posted by: entropy at January 14, 2013 05:44 PM (zV+kv)

254 252 entropy: According to his lawyer, they threatened him with a sentence of seven to eight years if he went to trial. According to Patterico, he was offered a deal of pleading to one count and six to eight months.

He sucked many gigabytes of JSTOR documents through MIT's net. MIT IT spotted it, and blocked him. He circumvented MIT's security several times. He finally entered a network equipment closet and hard-plugged his laptop into internal network hardware, which is how he got caught.

The documents were the creations of others, who chose to publish them through JSTOR, under JSTOR's rules and restrictions. He decided to broadcast the material, because, well, he knew better. He needed spanking.


Posted by: Rich Rostrom at January 14, 2013 09:56 PM (bO1qQ)

255 254: I wondered as much. I'd heard about the downloading, and to what extent, but the multiple security circumventions and the final hardwiring are new to me (though not surprising). That makes him a douchebag hipster fraud who thought he was the Robin Hood of research journals. Trouble is, unlike the real Robin Hood, it seems that didn't extend to the ability to deal with what would happen if the internet's Sheriff of Nottingham ever nailed him.

It's all a glamour ride for these people. They cannot see through to the consequences of their actions, either to themselves or to others.

Posted by: perturbed at January 15, 2013 12:55 PM (u6Ueb)






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