After Talking It Up to Appease Their Donors, Democrats Abandoning Assault Weapons Ban?

I saw that an NRA official believed that they consider such an effort unlikely.

Now the NYT (safe link to NRO) reports the same prognosis.


According to the New York Times, the administration’s prospects of pushing an assault-weapons ban through Congress are slim and, as a result, the White House “is focusing on other measures it deems more politically achievable.” The story suggests that the White House doesn’t want to spend political capital on “a losing cause at the expense of other measures with more chances of success.” Though the administration will recommend the passage of such a ban, it’ll be a hollow recommendation. The White House is already defining success downward, “emphasizing other new gun rules that could conceivably win bipartisan support and reduce gun deaths,” which would include universal background checks and research into the causes of gun violence.

Now, the White House is in full damage-control mode, telling the Washington Post that “the report is false.” According to a White House spokesman, “the president has been clear that Congress should reinstate the assault-weapons ban and that avoiding this issue just because it’s been politically difficult in the past is not an option.”

Does that mean the last month of agitating and counter-agitating have been a waste of time? Was it always obvious from the jump that Democrats were talking to appease their liberal, urban members, but would refrain from acting rather than betraying their rural, less-liberal members?

Or was it clarifying to have the debate?

Posted by: Ace at 05:33 PM



Comments

1 Not all until Juey Bidet and his cronies walk out with hands on head saying 'Alles Kaput.'

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 11, 2013 05:35 PM (hvqfu)

2 Does that mean the last month of agitating and counter-agitating have been a waste of time?

Just taking the temperature. And they found the we have a fever, and the only prescription is an AR-15.

Posted by: sTevo at January 11, 2013 05:36 PM (VMcEw)

3 A lot of news agencies were pushing that this morning. The general consensus was that despite all the rhetoric there was just about zero chance of getting anything through congress.


Also note as I did during all that rhetoric that it was from hard core commies in hardcore commie areas who had zero chance of being turned out of office.


No Democrat in a purple district or State would touch it.

Posted by: Vic at January 11, 2013 05:36 PM (53z96)

4 Don't call Obama's bluff, whatever the hell that means.

Posted by: troyriser at January 11, 2013 05:36 PM (vtiE6)

5

It was a purposeful distraction, while they destroy the rest of the country in stealth mode.

Posted by: beach FriedDay at January 11, 2013 05:36 PM (LpQbZ)

6 That Joey Biden is worth every couple hundred thousand we pay him.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 11, 2013 05:37 PM (UOM48)

7 It is smoke and mirrors.

hell some days I wonder if the democrats are just 70% con men like the mainbody of the GOP "leadership" seems to be and don't give two fucks.

This nation needs some pain.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 11, 2013 05:37 PM (LRFds)

8 Read somewhere they knew it was a dead letter this year and are shooting for 2014 when they (hope to) have a majority in the House.

Posted by: steevy at January 11, 2013 05:37 PM (dBYCN)

9 What was the other hand doing?

Posted by: Smash'em at January 11, 2013 05:38 PM (RhEyM)

10 research into the causes of gun violence.

daFuq?

Posted by: cajun carrot at January 11, 2013 05:38 PM (UZQM8)

11 9
What was the other hand doing?




Ick. Don't ask.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 11, 2013 05:38 PM (UOM48)

12 They have a majority in the Senate now and it is unlikely they could get it through the Senate. As I said even most Democrats will not touch it.

Posted by: Vic at January 11, 2013 05:38 PM (53z96)

13 Maybe being assholes all over the new media by saying we will kill them if they try to take our guns had an effect.
Turns out that highly principled Progressives respond quickly to threats by backing down.

Posted by: Daybrother at January 11, 2013 05:39 PM (+paCV)

14 Certainly deflected attention from the fiscal news (higher taxes due to Obamacare, debt ceiling, need to cut government spending, etc), didn't it. Also back paged Benghazi, and all the other scandal-a-day items that have come down the pike.

Posted by: Charlie at January 11, 2013 05:39 PM (NzmMc)

15 One is left to wonder if the recent record-setting sales of firearms, ammo, clips and NRA memberships had anything to do with them backing down?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 11, 2013 05:39 PM (yiIja)

16 2 stevo,

They sold two Ar-15 class weapons in this house in the last two years.

I never even wanted one until giggles started eying them and wife needed a carbine.

I am a serious marksman my Ishapore 2a1 carbine is my .308 and I prefer the 6.5 swede for precision work.

Grandpa said you only need a handgun or self-loading rifle when they try to take 'em away.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 11, 2013 05:40 PM (LRFds)

17 If anything gets through it will be via executive fiat, not congressional action.

Posted by: Vic at January 11, 2013 05:40 PM (53z96)

18 So....
What were they doing to us while they distracted us with this squirrel?

Posted by: Dept. of Accuracy Dept. at January 11, 2013 05:40 PM (+I8Mq)

19 Breaking: Colt Firearms has announced plans to build a new manufacturing facility on the grounds of the Guantanamo Bay Naval Base.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 11, 2013 05:40 PM (+lsX1)

20 The White House is already defining success downward, “emphasizing other
new gun rules that could conceivably win bipartisan support and reduce
gun deaths,” which would include universal background checks and
research into the causes of gun violence.


This is a joke, right?

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at January 11, 2013 05:40 PM (QKKT0)

21 11 Jane D'oh,

"Pwesent!'

//Bawney Fwank ambassado to fabuwous land

Posted by: sven10077 at January 11, 2013 05:41 PM (LRFds)

22 So put together a 'pub gun bill right now, include armed guards for schools, ccw reciprocity, and some sort of mental health reporting system ... Demand purple Dims co-sponsor it. While Hot, Strike Hard

Posted by: Jean at January 11, 2013 05:41 PM (/g5vp)

23 13 daybrother,

they're pussies unless they know they will win.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 11, 2013 05:41 PM (LRFds)

24 Posted by: Charlie at January 11, 2013 05:39 PM (NzmMc)

This, shelving a lot of nasty news it did...

Posted by: cajun carrot at January 11, 2013 05:41 PM (UZQM8)

25 I say submit a bill making it a felony to be a Democrat.

Posted by: Vic at January 11, 2013 05:42 PM (53z96)

26 18
So....
What were they doing to us while they distracted us with this squirrel?




Mooch was hanging a portrait of Chairman Mao in the Oval Office. Peon.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 11, 2013 05:42 PM (UOM48)

27 Took Hillary and her mysterious ailment off the front page also.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 11, 2013 05:42 PM (hvqfu)

28 Hunters and gun enthusiastsneed to vote out their "conservative" "gun loving" "blue dog" democrat Senators and representatives in 2014 and 2016..... and hey NRA! have you learned your lesson regarding Harry Reid? Time to vote that f*cker out in 2016.... hope someone credible runs against good old Harry this next time..... *sigh*

Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at January 11, 2013 05:42 PM (zBEe6)

29 which would include universal background checks and research into the causes of gun violence.





Sweet, sweet government money baby!

Posted by: Tami at January 11, 2013 05:42 PM (X6akg)

30 I think the problem arose at μολὼν λαβέ motherfucker. They realized they have a serious deficit of alpha males.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 11, 2013 05:43 PM (jucos)

31 Everybody leave the room except Biden, Napolitano, Axelrod and Carney.

Posted by: Adolf Obama at January 11, 2013 05:43 PM (QKKT0)

32 17 Vic,

if he is subtle he won't even make en EO he will have Eric "my people" holder tell BATF to define their terms to get the desired results.

They will NEVER get our guns without taking them.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 11, 2013 05:43 PM (LRFds)

33 So put together a 'pub gun bill right now, include
armed guards for schools, ccw reciprocity, and some sort of mental
health reporting system ... Demand purple Dims co-sponsor it. While
Hot, Strike Hard

Posted by: Jean at January 11, 2013 05:41 PM
-------------------------------
I disagree with the armed guards part at any federal level. Allow concealed carry for those that want it. Love the rest.

Posted by: Lurking Flaneur at January 11, 2013 05:43 PM (ay6+/)

34 Breaking Target range construction in downtown DC on hold. Pitchfork concession still stocking up.

Posted by: Daybrother at January 11, 2013 05:43 PM (+paCV)

35
They don't have to do a 'Ban'.

All they have to do, is slip through a 'National Registry'...and require people to register in order to get a permit.

So, I'm not buying this story.
It's just semantics.

Posted by: wheatie at January 11, 2013 05:43 PM (fH4X9)

36 27
Took Hillary and her mysterious ailment off the front page also.




Yep. And from the pics I've seen of her, she didn't take the opportunity to have work done or hire a stylist.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 11, 2013 05:43 PM (UOM48)

37 Squirrel!

BOOM!

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 11, 2013 05:43 PM (yiIja)

38 26, "What did Cass Shitstain do today to screw your grandkids", should be a daily post here at MoronHQ

Posted by: Jean at January 11, 2013 05:44 PM (/g5vp)

39 I guess this wasn't the hill for them to die on. O well, they have a dozen others they can agitate for.

Posted by: Bosk at January 11, 2013 05:44 PM (n2K+4)

40 Oh it's been clarifying alright.

I do expect some EOs to issue on this. I mean, why not? It's not like the SCOAMT gives a shit about Constitutionality and what not.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Totes waiting until after March Madness. at January 11, 2013 05:44 PM (Gk3SS)

41 Having Holder do it via BATF re-regulate it is the same as executive fiat.

Posted by: Vic at January 11, 2013 05:44 PM (53z96)

42 Yep. And from the pics I've seen of her, she didn't take the opportunity to have work done or hire a stylist.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 11, 2013 05:43 PM (UOM4

Fresh from the re-education camp that is. No one quits unless Obama tells them to quit.

Posted by: cajun carrot at January 11, 2013 05:44 PM (UZQM8)

43 Aw damnit..... I need to vote out Tammy Baldwin in six years also..... damn you Tommy Thomson!! Good old establishment Tommy ran a harder campaign against his primary opponent than he did in the general election against the dems...... sounds familiar.

Posted by: Some Guy in Wisconsin at January 11, 2013 05:45 PM (zBEe6)

44 Still shouldn't be trusted. Kabal in the Big White has something up their sleeves.

If the Right To Life group wants to get more out of their annual March in DC, as heard they are expected record numbers in attendance, as many as possible should carry the same clip David Gregory got off for possessing and add to their slogan "Choose Life and Protect Life!".

Posted by: Deli LLama at January 11, 2013 05:45 PM (lGu1O)

45 Unintended Consequences Line calling again.

Could they have done ANYTHING to put more guns and ammo into the hands of law abiding citizens in such a short time?

Aside from giving the production end of the gun business a heads up in advance to ramp up production, I doubt it.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 11, 2013 05:45 PM (aZ6ew)

46 Meanwhile the EPA issues a clarification on the Clean Water Act stating empty shell casings are a threat to safe local water supplies due to unburnt powder leaching into the water table.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 11, 2013 05:45 PM (hvqfu)

47 "Does that mean the last month of agitating and counter-agitating have been a waste of time? Was it always obvious from the jump that Democrats were talking to appease their liberal, urban members, but would refrain from acting rather than betraying their rural, less-liberal members?

Or was it clarifying to have the debate?"

My view is the little fascists would have put in a ban on if they could--the view across the entire Left. They thought they had the moment.

It has passed, or the price to be paid was made apparent and they have chosen the opportunity cost is not worth it. So they might lay low. My view is that if so that they are still not to be trusted, and we still need to have a reckoning on what liberty is going to be in this country.

Posted by: C. at January 11, 2013 05:45 PM (x33Pf)

48 The "debate" was (1) to divert attention from tax increases, Benghazi etc., (2) capitalize on the death of children to show a "caring" JEF, (3) fire up the base, and, (4) further demonize the right. Assholes.

Posted by: eureka! at January 11, 2013 05:46 PM (HPRku)

49 >>White House is already defining success downward

Thank the Lord they are such losers.

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 11, 2013 05:46 PM (SUKHu)

50 >>>research into the causes of gun violence.

Progressivism. That'll be $23,745,246.12.


Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 11, 2013 05:46 PM (0q2P7)

51 Benghazi, Fiscal Cliff... SQUIRREL!

Posted by: For the children at January 11, 2013 05:47 PM (yn6XZ)

52 33, what's wrong with another unfunded mandate - if you take federal funds, you must have arrangements in place for armed security when the school is open. Better way to spend money then another useless administrator or art teacher.

Posted by: Jean at January 11, 2013 05:47 PM (/g5vp)

53 Is there an award for being Gun Salesman of the Year? If so, I nominate TFG.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 11, 2013 05:47 PM (yiIja)

54 It's a shame my weapons were lost in that boating accident last summer.

Posted by: Infidel at January 11, 2013 05:47 PM (O/fK8)

55 41 Vic,

Yeah just less in your face.

Giggles is hot for it.

I got you was just clarifying for we midheimer's patients/.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 11, 2013 05:47 PM (LRFds)

56 Thank you, Mr. President, for the explosion in our sales.

Posted by: Evil Black Rifle, Inc. at January 11, 2013 05:47 PM (mg08E)

57 Jane D'oh of course not. Hillary expects everyone to just buy her malarky. Unless she becomes an albatross, then under the bus with her erstwhile sniper story.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 11, 2013 05:48 PM (hvqfu)

58 sven, I sold mine a couple of weeks before the hoopla. My next will be a .308 variety.

Posted by: sTevo at January 11, 2013 05:48 PM (VMcEw)

59 Does that mean the last month of agitating and counter-agitating have been a waste of time?

It means the presidentin' acted stupidly.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 11, 2013 05:48 PM (gsl1s)

60 Progressivism. That'll be $23,745,246.12.


If it was printed on recycled paper, that's the green investment bargain of the century.

Posted by: Henry Chu, A Nobel Laureate at January 11, 2013 05:48 PM (QKKT0)

61 No no no no. I decree it! It will be so!!!
Now you may kiss my ring.
P.S. It's the Republicans fault.

Posted by: Child King Barry at January 11, 2013 05:48 PM (wAQA5)

62 >>Was it always obvious from the jump that Democrats were talking

What, just because he put Biden in charge??

Noooooo.

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 11, 2013 05:48 PM (SUKHu)

63 >>>“is focusing on other measures it deems more politically achievable.”

Translation. "they're drafting executive orders instead"

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 11, 2013 05:48 PM (0q2P7)

64 Make the bastards vote on it. Especially the senators in purple states.

Posted by: Ernst Blofeld at January 11, 2013 05:48 PM (XZWie)

65 With the sheer volume of new legislation that was being talked about, it seems unlikely that they were really serious about going through with it. However...how many of these people in Congress, now that Obama has gone two-term, think themselves untouchable? They love their power, and would love to flex it before they lose it. Tough call, but always prepare for the worst.

Posted by: MadisonConservative at January 11, 2013 05:48 PM (Y/HG5)

66 46 Anna puma,

let 'em I don't hunt ducks and Elmer Fucking fudd needs a wake up call.

he was gonna ponder throwing me under the bus.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 11, 2013 05:48 PM (LRFds)

67 I knew from day 1 nothing would happen...
Americans and their Guns are part of our Heritage and not something to be messed with...

Individual states are another matter...

Posted by: American Dawg at January 11, 2013 05:49 PM (trA4n)

68 Those people that blew $1500 and up for used AR-15s and AKs are going to be pissed.


Posted by: cajun carrot at January 11, 2013 05:49 PM (UZQM8)

69 33, what about no "gun free zones without specific congressional approval"

Posted by: Jean at January 11, 2013 05:49 PM (/g5vp)

70
Does that mean the last month of agitating and counter-agitating have been a waste of time? Was it always obvious from the jump that Democrats were talking to appease their liberal, urban members, but would refrain from acting rather than betraying their rural, less-liberal members?


They were hoping to get Republican congressmen to jump on board. When that didn't happen they knew they were fucked because there's no way they're going to slip their necks into the noose, unless the Republicans go first.

Posted by: buzzion at January 11, 2013 05:49 PM (GULKT)

71 My view is that if so that they are still not to be trusted, and we still need to have a reckoning on what liberty is going to be in this country.

Yeppers.

Posted by: Daybrother at January 11, 2013 05:49 PM (+paCV)

72 Ace: "Does that mean the last month of agitating and counter-agitating have been a waste of time?"

Well the agitating was the Communist/Fascist cockroaches coming out to float a trial balloon after a "crisis" so that we may "fundamentally transform" the nation. That's a given.

It's also a "Look, Squirrel!" moment because both Benghazi and the debt crisis were taken off the table for several news cycles. As to Fast-N-Furious, it's a scandal that will, incredibly, be ignored in this "banning/confiscation" discussion despite the tie-in to assault weapons the Government funneled to criminals.

We've fallen in to the rabbit hole's rabbit hole.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 11, 2013 05:49 PM (eHIJJ)

73 50 mikeTheMoose,

I'd settle for a one coin tip.....


one trillion dollar coin

Posted by: sven10077 at January 11, 2013 05:49 PM (LRFds)

74 Fast and Furious thy name is holder. 300+ innocent Mexican men women and children murdered with this failed attempt to curtail the 2 nd amendment. When will the truth be told? When will the criminals go to jail?

Posted by: Bufalobob at January 11, 2013 05:50 PM (x+7qA)

75 Progressivism. That'll be $23,745,246.12. 17,000,000,000,000.00 and counting.


Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 11, 2013 05:46 PM (0q2P7)


FIFM

Posted by: cajun carrot at January 11, 2013 05:50 PM (UZQM8)

76 .Does that mean the last month of agitating and counter-agitating have
been a waste of time? Was it always obvious from the jump that
Democrats were talking to appease their liberal, urban members, but would refrain from acting rather than betraying their rural, less-liberal members?


Yes.

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 11, 2013 05:50 PM (8sCoq)

77 54 Infidel,

I miss my m96 Swede....he was a little old...103 years to be exact but he was still vibrant....why did he jump over the side of that Kayak in the everglades?

Posted by: sven10077 at January 11, 2013 05:51 PM (LRFds)

78
I think it is simply more of their pawn star presidency. You want 800B in taxes raises, ask for 1.6T and settle for 800B. You want every gun in America registered, ask to ban them all and settle for all registration.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 11, 2013 05:51 PM (p/cQy)

79 This is O/T, but God help me, my blood is boiling.

Check out the headline at Drudge.

http://tinyurl.com/b9d2hhe

All the blood and treasure spent in Afghanistan, and the prissy Marxist tells Karzai, "America has fallen short."

HATE.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 11, 2013 05:51 PM (UOM48)

80 >>It's a shame my weapons were lost in that boating accident last summer.

And it's a shame you've wasted so much money on buying ammo since then, while in a deep, deepstate of denial.

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 11, 2013 05:51 PM (SUKHu)

81 Sven if they classify ammo as a possible cause of water pollution, we it would be ugly court case for the citizen to fight. Because until it was overturned it would mean an Environmental Impact State for each round fired, even on your own property to target shoot.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 11, 2013 05:51 PM (hvqfu)

82 Cajun Carrot, piss poor planning always bites you in the ass.

Posted by: Jean at January 11, 2013 05:52 PM (/g5vp)

83 58 Stevo,

Wife's had to be a 16" in 5.56 for work practice.

Her score went down when they chopped the 4 inches off the bore.

I bought mine for varmint retirement counseling.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 11, 2013 05:52 PM (LRFds)

84 I stop buying during panics. I buy between panics.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 11, 2013 05:52 PM (bxiXv)

85 Sven if they classify ammo as a possible cause of water pollution, we it
would be ugly court case for the citizen to fight. Because until it was
overturned it would mean an Environmental Impact State for each round
fired, even on your own property to target shoot.


It's a tax!!!

Posted by: Chief Justice John Roberts, Still Growing In Office at January 11, 2013 05:53 PM (QKKT0)

86 Complacency is really dangerous for pro-2nd amendment people right now.

This same thing happened just before the Clinton assault weapons ban passed. The NYT said that passage was unlikely, we drew a sigh of relief, and then it passed. Please do not celebrate until and if it really is defeated.


Posted by: anopensecret at January 11, 2013 05:53 PM (parjc)

87 81 Anna puma,

I know what you are getting at, I also worked hazmat you know how I feel about EPA darling.

That little stunt will be the end of EPA as Sierra Club's Torquemada I'd wager....

If Elmer Fudd agreed EPA needed nuetered at that point we'd be solid again.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 11, 2013 05:54 PM (LRFds)

88 Jane D'oh re: Afghanistan. April 25th 1975 deja vu. Except this time it will be a UH-60 with people dangling off the wheels fleeing the American embassy in Kabul to the 'safety' of Pakistan.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 11, 2013 05:54 PM (hvqfu)

89

it means that the Pinkos need a few more dead children to push their agenda...

and they're hoping it happens soon.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 11, 2013 05:54 PM (nzF8Z)

90 I stop buying during panics. I buy between panics.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 11, 2013 05:52 PM (bxiXv)
------------------------------------------------------------
What do you have against picnics?......

Posted by: Rosanne Rosanna Danna at January 11, 2013 05:54 PM (jucos)

91 Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 11, 2013 05:51 PM (UOM4
Seething hate. Next time we go into the ME it better be to turn it into glass.

Posted by: Bosk at January 11, 2013 05:55 PM (n2K+4)

92 What did we learn from this: we can't reason with bastards, they can't be trusted to use math, but we can scare them. Rattle back 100 million bolts, and they piss themselves.

Posted by: Jean at January 11, 2013 05:55 PM (/g5vp)

93 I knew from day 1 nothing would happen...Americans and their Guns are part of our Heritage and not something to be messed with...Individual states are another matter...
Posted by: American Dawg at January 11, 2013 05:49 PM (trA4n)

I'm glad you're so confident. Wish I shared that confidence.

Posted by: troyriser at January 11, 2013 05:55 PM (vtiE6)

94 >>>what about no "gun free zones without specific congressional approval"

If we can't end this madness altogether, (And it is likely that we cannot as courts and police stations will always be "gun free")

How about this instead.
If an area is designated a "Gun free zone" therefore requiring those who enter it to give up their right to self defense, the state is legally liable for security of that area and any person receiving any serious injury caused by a belligerent may sue the state for non-performance of contract duties. The same applies for any business place open to the public. You wanna say your customers can't defend themselves? You are responsible for them.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 11, 2013 05:55 PM (0q2P7)

95 41 Having Holder do it via BATF re-regulate it is the same as executive fiat.

Well yeah, Vic, of course it would.

But they could say..."It's not a Ban"...while effectively doing a Ban anyway.
Just like they've done on other things.

Take the "Affordable Care Act" for example.
What has happened, is to make healthcare even more unaffordable than it was before.

Barky could say..."We simply need a National Registry to be able to know that firearms are in the right hands...so I am creating one by Executive Order".
And his media thralls would clap and say 'Yay'.

Posted by: wheatie at January 11, 2013 05:55 PM (fH4X9)

96 It ain't over. JEF directs BATFE to classify semi-autos as Class III arms. Why not? He doesn't have to worry about re-election, he takes the heat instead of congressional Dems, and he gets that sweet, sweet $200 tax per gun to piss away on God knows what, while simultaneously shafting millions of his political enemies in his particularly petty and joyously vindictive style.

Posted by: schizuki at January 11, 2013 05:56 PM (celt+)

97 I'd like to see some 30-45 day numbers on gun and ammo sales.
I bet they are astounding.

It wouldn't hurt for the dhims to see them too.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 11, 2013 05:56 PM (aZ6ew)

98 I stop buying during panics. I buy between panics.

So, what's the Vegas over/under on days-till-next-assault-weapon-shooting-uproar? (Pay no attention to the daily murders in D.C., Chicago, etc.) Seems like there's a cyclicality to it.

Posted by: jakeman at January 11, 2013 05:56 PM (96M6e)

99 the obamma stimulus plan-gun-shops; gun- manufacturing

Posted by: hound13 at January 11, 2013 05:56 PM (vDERG)

100 'Spose the panic buying is over?

Posted by: Infidel at January 11, 2013 05:56 PM (O/fK8)

101 Gun show this weekend. Be interesting to see who's prices are panic and post-panic.

Svenn I never said it would be a tactically smart move. But it would be the underhanded crass back-stab these idiots like to use.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 11, 2013 05:56 PM (hvqfu)

102

Nothing the liberals do is by accident...

Posted by: beach FriedDay at January 11, 2013 05:56 PM (LpQbZ)

103 White House spokesman Jay Carney said yesterday that "deficit reduction is not a worthy goal unto itself"

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at January 11, 2013 05:57 PM (e8kgV)

104 Good thing that the RINO Romney did not win. He was not conservative enough to pass the purity test so remember that when they come to take everyone to the camps after they take the gun power.

Posted by: Trevor (@tjexcite) at January 11, 2013 05:57 PM (Ea64Y)

105 President Douchebag just signed a bill giving him armed security 24/7 for the rest of his disgusting life.

Posted by: Waldo Truth at January 11, 2013 05:57 PM (O8DFT)

106 My husband can't get home soon enough to take me out for margaritas and Mexican food.

I may have to main-line the margaritas.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 11, 2013 05:58 PM (UOM48)

107 As I am sure someone has already said upthread, what is politically impossible for the legislature to do, the executive will do by fiat.

Posted by: Truman North at January 11, 2013 05:58 PM (hz5HU)

108 *hands Jane a salt lick* You might need it.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 11, 2013 05:58 PM (hvqfu)

109 >>Rosanne Rosanna Danna

Ahem.

Posted by: Emily Litella at January 11, 2013 05:58 PM (SUKHu)

110 101 Ms puma,

goes without saying of course sooner or later Jugears the AI will learn not to shoot its dick....

then we're fucked.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 11, 2013 05:58 PM (LRFds)

111 I may have to main-line the margaritas.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 11, 2013 05:58 PM (UOM4


ah, good point

tis time for a drink, isn't it

*cheers!

Posted by: beach FriedDay at January 11, 2013 05:59 PM (LpQbZ)

112 Oh and Anna if I go to dayton tomorrow I'll give a report on prices.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 11, 2013 05:59 PM (LRFds)

113 MikeTheMoose is Shrugging: "...the state is legally liable for security of that area and any person
receiving any serious injury caused by a belligerent may sue the state
for non-performance of contract duties.


One problem: What would they care about a suit? If they lose, it's not coming out of their pockets. It's the taxpayer that gets hosed. Now, make it a personal liability as opposed to a State one and maybe you have an appropriate incentive.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 11, 2013 05:59 PM (eHIJJ)

114 Sven if they classify ammo as a possible cause of water pollution, we it

would be ugly court case for the citizen to fight. Because until it was

overturned it would mean an Environmental Impact State for each round

fired, even on your own property to target shoot.

Thanks to the lunacy of California (who tried this using condors as an excuse) there are lead free bullets are already available, inexpensive, and effective. They would be wasting their time.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 11, 2013 06:00 PM (0q2P7)

115

and out of no where comes the Akinbuckanglemourdockodonnell nincompoopery



Posted by: soothsayer at January 11, 2013 06:01 PM (nzF8Z)

116 Took Hillary and her mysterious ailment off the front page also.
Posted by: Anna Puma

That it did. But ole Hilz is set to testify on the 22nd right? I wonder if she really will.

Posted by: Cheri at January 11, 2013 06:01 PM (G+Wff)

117 Well, I certainly don't trust those ProgFucks. I expect an EO or some such end-run around the Constitution and the 2A.

Ends, means, justification. Some assembly required.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 11, 2013 06:01 PM (yiIja)

118 "...research into the causes of gun violence"

When they find the cause of violence, they will also find the cause of "gun violence"

Posted by: Dan at January 11, 2013 06:02 PM (vQtvL)

119 So what is the shell life of ammo? For example 9mm FMJ and .40cal?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 11, 2013 06:02 PM (hvqfu)

120 *cheers*

Same here. *burp*

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 11, 2013 06:03 PM (yiIja)

121 MiketheMoose, it don't matter if it failed in California. They will have a whole country to police and validate the need for their jobs.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 11, 2013 06:03 PM (hvqfu)

122 Just got an email from my Congressthing, Ed Perlmutter. It's a form letter, because it ignores all the questions I asked in the original communication.

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Theater shooting in July, I have been coordinating closely with members of the
House and Sen. Dianne Feinstein to prepare a responsible bill to enact an
improved assault weapons ban and assault clips ban. I will introduce this
bill with Sen. Feinstein and Rep. Carolyn McCarthy at the beginning of the
113th Congress in January. This bill will strengthen the assault weapons
ban which expired in 2004. This effort will outlaw the future sale
of assault weapons while respecting the 2nd Amendment rights of responsible gun
owners by exempting many firearms used for sport, hunting and personal
defense. Additionally I am a cosponsor of H.R. 308, the Large Capacity
Ammunition Feeding Device Act, which bans the sale of a magazine or similar
device which has a capacity of more than 10 rounds of ammunition. I am
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Posted by: Jones in CO at January 11, 2013 06:03 PM (8sCoq)

123 Jones in CO, barrel and your agonizer.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 11, 2013 06:04 PM (hvqfu)

124 fucking fuck

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 11, 2013 06:04 PM (8sCoq)

125 I guess they finally figured out that they're outnumbered. All they had to do is look at gun and ammo sales in the last month. The FBI and ATF probably told the people in the WH that they can implement their confiscation, that they (FBI, ATF) ain't knockin' down no doors of gun owners.

The primal scream of self-preservation.

Dear Leader probably has sensed the fact that he can get what he wants by handing out even more free shit.

Posted by: Soona at January 11, 2013 06:04 PM (4sFpg)

126 Ahem.

The Barrel awaits-------------------->

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 11, 2013 06:04 PM (UOM48)

127 >>>What would they care about a suit? If they lose, it's not coming out of their
pockets. It's the taxpayer that gets hosed. Now, make it a personal
liability as opposed to a State one and maybe you have an appropriate
incentive.

Fine. All settlements to be autodeducted from the legislators and governors salaries and pensions until completely recouped.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 11, 2013 06:04 PM (0q2P7)

128 President Douchebag just signed a bill giving him armed security 24/7 for the rest of his disgusting life.
Posted by: Waldo Truth at January 11, 2013 05:57 PM (O8DFT)
---------------------------------------------------------
“You know, I hope his wife feeds him lots of eggs and butter and he dies early like many black men do, of heart disease.”

Posted by: Julianne Malveaux at January 11, 2013 06:04 PM (jucos)

129 119 Ms Puma,

depends on what your tolerance for FtFs is....

I'll put it this way....

I have shot 30-06 and 7.62*54 from 1946 quite happily and it did just fine on the Tachometer.

They will NEVER disarm us.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 11, 2013 06:04 PM (LRFds)

130 119, it will out live you, make appropriate instruction in your will.

Posted by: Jean at January 11, 2013 06:04 PM (/g5vp)

131 jakeman: "Seems like there's a cyclicality to it."

I can just envision the Progressives and MFM (BIRM) either a) praying for the next mass murder and hoping it's done by an "assault weapon," or b) concocting a mass murder because one didn't materialize in a timely manner.

See Network, movie depicting a truer core of the "news" industry.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 11, 2013 06:05 PM (eHIJJ)

132
Turns out that highly principled Progressives respond quickly to threats by backing down.
Posted by: Daybrother at January 11, 2013 05:39 PM (+paCV)






Hey, it works for the Mohammedans.....

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 11, 2013 06:05 PM (KZuD1)

133 I have avoided the difficult issue of Brooklyn Decker and Kate Upton refusing to have a threesome with me.

But I realize that I must not avoid the issue even though it may be difficult.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 11, 2013 06:05 PM (GsoHv)

134 Remember when that union thug guy hit that FOX news guy and when those union thug guys destroyed that hot dog seller guy's hot dog cart? Seems like such a long, long time ago doesn't it.

Posted by: Urban Achiever at January 11, 2013 06:05 PM (mH/IF)

135 emphasizing other new gun rules that could conceivably win bipartisan
support and reduce gun deaths,” which would include universal background
checks


Yes, i'm sure the people who have been selling and buying guns illegally will follow the law this time.

Posted by: booger at January 11, 2013 06:05 PM (HI6wa)

136 What does this have to do with lezbean pron?

Posted by: dogfish at January 11, 2013 06:05 PM (N2yhW)

137 I asked the prick Perlmutter if he believed the 2nd Amendment protected an individual right to armed self-defense. No answer. I asked the prick if he supported my right under Colorado law to pack heat. No answer.

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 11, 2013 06:06 PM (8sCoq)

138 I hope to hell our son doesn't happen to check out the Drudge headline.

The families of his dead buddies will really appreciate it, as well.

*seething rage*




Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 11, 2013 06:06 PM (UOM48)

139 *clinks glasses with the Horde*


Mmmm. Friday.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Totes waiting until after March Madness. at January 11, 2013 06:06 PM (Gk3SS)

140 Oh goody a fresh barrel candidate. I was building up a lot of pent up frustration IYKWIM

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 11, 2013 06:06 PM (0q2P7)

141 Well, I certainly don't trust those ProgFucks. I expect an EO or some such end-run around the Constitution and the 2A. Ends, means, justification. Some assembly required.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 11, 2013 06:01 PM (yiIja)


------------------------------------------


Yup. It means we have to be extra vigilant. They will try to sneak shit by us. Probably another midnight EO.

Posted by: Soona at January 11, 2013 06:07 PM (4sFpg)

142

After Talking It Up to Appease Their Donors, Democrats Abandoning National Health-care?

Posted by: An Awful Lot of People in 2008 Who You'd Think Would Know Better This Time Around.


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 11, 2013 06:07 PM (kdS6q)

143 note to self- don't cut n paste from email either

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 11, 2013 06:07 PM (8sCoq)

144
But I realize that I must not avoid the issue even though it may be difficult.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 11, 2013 06:05 PM (GsoHv)



Here. I'll take that bullet for you. No, no, don't thank me, it's the least I can do.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Totes waiting until after March Madness. at January 11, 2013 06:07 PM (Gk3SS)

145 It ain't over. JEF directs BATFE to classify semi-autos as Class III arms. Why not?

Because Elmer Fudd loses his Remington 1100 & his Benelli.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 11, 2013 06:07 PM (gsl1s)

146 MicrosoftInternetExplorer4

The hell? Internet Explorer 4? Did you last update in 1998?

Posted by: booger at January 11, 2013 06:07 PM (HI6wa)

147 Gun show in town here tomorrow and Sunday. Gonna be packed.

Posted by: weirdflunky at January 11, 2013 06:08 PM (tlhtD)

148 I point the following out:

http://tinyurl.com/axax97f

So, will we go about banning 3D printers as well? In reality, the issue is about freedom. Some people do well with freedom; others, not so much.

Posted by: Kevin in ABQ at January 11, 2013 06:08 PM (BvTwT)

149 119 So what is the shell life of ammo? For example 9mm FMJ and .40cal?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 11, 2013 06:02 PM (hvqfu)

----------

That's a really good question, Anna.
I've been told it depends a lot on what type...and how it's been stored.

I used some twenty-yr-old rounds once, that we found in a closet...and they were fine.
But I have since heard some horror stories about using ammo that old.

Posted by: wheatie at January 11, 2013 06:08 PM (fH4X9)

150 They're waiting until '14. They're counting on taking the House, then it'll be no holds barred. So what are WE going to do about it? 'Cause we won't get any assists from the Pubbies.

Posted by: small town girl at January 11, 2013 06:09 PM (Bfbpz)

151 >Gun show in town here tomorrow and Sunday. Gonna be packed.

Posted by: weirdflunky at January 11, 2013 06:08 PM (tlhtD)

if it's anything like the recent CO shows, better get down there and grab some parking early, and be ready to stand on line

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 11, 2013 06:09 PM (8sCoq)

152 145 RickB223,

Hey let elmer Fudd figure out they have NO GODDAMNED CLUE about guns and hate them all.

it's time.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 11, 2013 06:09 PM (LRFds)

153 150 small town girl,

I will follow the law as closely as Dick Gregory....

fuck them

Posted by: sven10077 at January 11, 2013 06:10 PM (LRFds)

154 Wow those Russians. Beautiful babes, ballet, and bondage.
http://youtu.be/xosB3_CSZ9M

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 11, 2013 06:10 PM (hvqfu)

155 > So what is the shell life of ammo? For example 9mm FMJ and .40cal?



Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 11, 2013 06:02 PM (hvqfu)

THE proverbial cool dry place should do for a long long time

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 11, 2013 06:10 PM (8sCoq)

156 Or was it clarifying to have the debate?

Debate was never the point of this action. The White House thought they would givegun bana shot but their helpers in the media (Piers Morgan, David Gregory, Journal News) went overboard and scared the horses.

Posted by: Decaf at January 11, 2013 06:10 PM (Kn6sf)

157 I used some twenty-yr-old rounds once, that we found in a closet...and they were fine.

But I have since heard some horror stories about using ammo that old.



Posted by: wheatie at January 11, 2013 06:08 PM (fH4X9)

I have fired WWI vintage military ammo with no problems. The only thing you have to be careful about is the really old stuff has corrosive primers.

Posted by: Vic at January 11, 2013 06:10 PM (53z96)

158 Same old same old.

Step 1: Threaten Ban
Step 2: Accept a "compromise" that's just a mostly-ban

Posted by: wizardpc at January 11, 2013 06:11 PM (hWJMZ)

159 Who the hell would want to buy a AR 15?

Posted by: M. Kalishnikov at January 11, 2013 06:11 PM (VrVBw)

160 The thing is that I don't think they'll even get their usual fig-leaf legislation on this. It will have to be quite demoralizing.

Sure, in a couple of states, they're getting their fig-leaves, but not nationally.

Frankly, this was a mistake. The rank-and-file will view this as a huge loss.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 11, 2013 06:11 PM (T0NGe)

161 Posted by: Vic at January 11, 2013 06:10 PM (53z96)

Didn't you fire Civil War era stuff in basic training?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 11, 2013 06:11 PM (GsoHv)

162 somethingsomething Confederacy somethingsomething Christianists.

Posted by: Andrew Sullivan at January 11, 2013 06:12 PM (60GaT)

163 157 Vic,

proper cleaning and it is not too bad on the system, hell a Finnish infantryman I met told me the Finns prefer corrosive ammo in their climate because it is more reliable.

I like it clean but in a jam if we have to make our own powder and such it will get quite dirty again.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 11, 2013 06:12 PM (LRFds)

164
'Spose the panic buying is over?
Posted by: Infidel at January 11, 2013 05:56 PM (O/fK






Yeah......because there's nothing left on the shelves to buy.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 11, 2013 06:13 PM (KZuD1)

165 The far left that TFG and Democrats consider their base will not be happy. They will see this as another selling out. Which means they will be more angry and radical. I am expecting more of the Yuppie bombers real soon but with actual pyrotechnics.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 11, 2013 06:13 PM (hvqfu)

166 139
*clinks glasses with the Horde*


Mmmm. Friday.


Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Totes waiting until after March Madness. at January 11, 2013 06:06 PM (Gk3SS



Imaginary *clink* back. That IV of margaritas they're going to hook me up to at our local Mexican place won't clink.

AtC, are you wishing like I am, that the Python Hunt 2013 tomorrow required helmets with live helmet cams? I'd sit back and watch than all day, while enjoying adult beverages.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 11, 2013 06:13 PM (UOM48)

167 Anna, you should be storing your ammo in a sealed, air tight ammo can, in a cool, dry place. A couple of FM have the details, surplus ammo cans can be cheap.

Posted by: Jean at January 11, 2013 06:13 PM (ZSnCv)

168 161 CBD,

He cleaned George Washington's pistols....in Ohio......



Posted by: sven10077 at January 11, 2013 06:13 PM (LRFds)

169 MikeTheMoose is Shrugging: "Fine. All settlements to be autodeducted from the legislators and governors salaries and pensions until completely recouped."

Almost there. I'm hoping for both fines and jail time. And not some nice, white collar retreat with panoramic views. I'm talking Pound-Me-In-The-Ass prison (except for Barney Frank who gets isolated but with mandatory weekly visitation by Code Pinkos only).

Money can be shuffled around easily with the corruption inherent in the system. There has to be a personal assault on their lifestyle and dignities. To learn 'em with something that will stick.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at January 11, 2013 06:13 PM (eHIJJ)

170 seething rage*
Posted by: Jane D'oh

I hope for his sake that his SS detail protects him very well. You know, sometimes you can only piss on people so much before someone of limited mental capacity or restraint responds.

Posted by: Cheri at January 11, 2013 06:14 PM (G+Wff)

171 Yeah, made sure to clean the hell out of the barrel. Also swabbing it with a baking soda swab helps.

Posted by: Vic at January 11, 2013 06:14 PM (53z96)

172 I think the donks may have been blind-sided by the response to their anti-gun blather-

think about it: all they accomplished was a sharp increase in NRA membership, gun sales, ammunition sales, and concealed carry permit applications

safe to say, this is the opposite of what they had in mind

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 11, 2013 06:15 PM (8sCoq)

173 I still have some paper wrappedslugs. Got'em from gramps 20-30 years ago and lord knows where he got them...
they work fine.

Posted by: garrett at January 11, 2013 06:15 PM (ly9ZY)

174 Guess should purchase 3 .50cal ammo cans this weekend then.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 11, 2013 06:15 PM (hvqfu)

175
the Large Capacity
Ammunition Feeding Device Act


We are against this.

Posted by: Big Chili at January 11, 2013 06:15 PM (p/cQy)

176 The Senate will pass something, Boehner will block it in the House, and in return we'll be expected to eat another debt limit shit sandwich.

Posted by: schizoid at January 11, 2013 06:15 PM (w4gxx)

177 Posted by: Jean at January 11, 2013 06:13 PM (ZSnCv)

I keep mine in a safe, with desiccant. it's nice and cool too.

I wonder if there is any expiration on center fire ammo if it is stored correctly?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 11, 2013 06:15 PM (GsoHv)

178 165 Anna Puma,

some troll was arguing that barry and his backers are not Billy Ayer's grandkids....

yeah just "fireworks" enthusiasts...

I'll send ben Shapiro 100 bucks to throw that in Peers' Morganthau's face...

Posted by: sven10077 at January 11, 2013 06:15 PM (LRFds)

179 AtC, are you wishing like I am, that the Python Hunt
2013 tomorrow required helmets with live helmet cams? I'd sit back and
watch than all day, while enjoying adult beverages.




Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 11, 2013 06:13 PM (UOM4



God, yes. Especially once you dug up that machetes were an appropriate weapon to bring.


So help me, SciFi, I better get Rednecks v. MegaPythonoid.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. We're not worthy. at January 11, 2013 06:15 PM (Gk3SS)

180 “emphasizing other new gun rules that could conceivably win bipartisan support and reduce gun deaths,” which would include universal background checks and research into the causes of gun violence.

Let's just pretend that they would honestly look into the causes of gun violence and research reveals/confirms that mental illness is the cause. What will they do then? Ban mental illness? ACLU would never allow any changes in the approach to mental illness. Therefore nothing will result from any studies.

The simplest answer is that the White House was not expecting this level of pushback.

Posted by: Decaf at January 11, 2013 06:16 PM (Kn6sf)

181 >>>Who the hell would want to buy a AR 15?

Someone who likes banging on a forward assist?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 11, 2013 06:16 PM (0q2P7)

182 All you panic buyers?

I may be interested in buying your new purchases at a slight* discount now that the threat of a ban is passing.

*60%

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 11, 2013 06:17 PM (SY2Kh)

183 Posted by: Vic at January 11, 2013 06:14 PM (53z96)

Never heard that, but it makes sense.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 11, 2013 06:17 PM (GsoHv)

184 AlextheChick at the end of that movie you will hear. "Hey Bubba! Lets eat!"

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 11, 2013 06:17 PM (hvqfu)

185 174 Ms puma,

they are on sale at gander Mountain for ~20 bucks IIRC, put coffee or rice around them.

They cannot defeat us if we hold on to our liberty with the same fury they chase graft.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 11, 2013 06:17 PM (LRFds)

186 Or Sven I travel about 80 minutes to visit a surplus store outside an Army base.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 11, 2013 06:18 PM (hvqfu)

187 I learned drill with a 03 Springfield. Worried more about using modern ammo in an old gun, then using old ammo.

Posted by: Jean at January 11, 2013 06:18 PM (ZSnCv)

188 >>>seething rage
Posted by: Jane D'oh

Oh WTF!?

[deep breaths]

Well to an extent I agree with TFG, we re-elected him.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 11, 2013 06:18 PM (0q2P7)

189 Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 11, 2013 06:16 PM (0q2P7)

I guess I haven't fired enough rounds through my AR15, but I haven't had any problems.

What are the typical issues?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 11, 2013 06:18 PM (GsoHv)

190 Debate was never the point of this action. The White House thought they would givegun bana shot but their helpers in the media (Piers Morgan, David Gregory, Journal News) went overboard and scared the horses.

I thought they would "help too much" before the election. They will now. They really held their tongues and they got...well, they got healthcare, even though it's absolutely shitty, even from a long-marcher's point of view. They got some gay stuff, but other than the military (and isn't every gay man happy about being subject to the draft now?) nothing other than words.

Even the huge amount of pork and bailouts got them nothing. No Hoover Dams or anything. "I ran trillion dollar deficits and all I got was this lousy Obamaphone."

Posted by: AmishDude at January 11, 2013 06:19 PM (T0NGe)

191 I think the whole gun conversation by the Dems was to use slight of hand to distract from other issues. Debt, Lybia, etc. Seems to have worked.

Posted by: UncleZeb at January 11, 2013 06:19 PM (Nvirt)

192 They're not appeasing... they're distracting. Remember.. whatever they are talking about, whatever they are focusing on... ffs LOOK IN THE OTHER HAND. Susan Rice was a distraction... this is a distraction. It's all sleight of hand. They've been doing it for the last four years.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at January 11, 2013 06:19 PM (46pA5)

193 181 Mike the moose,

hey now the SW's don't even have them anymore.


The FA was in response to the ammo follies a long time ago.

It is not a bad design, I'd have really liked the M-8 though.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 11, 2013 06:19 PM (LRFds)

194 189
Typical issues are folks using steel cased ammo. that stuff is generally crap.

Posted by: wizardpc at January 11, 2013 06:19 PM (hWJMZ)

195 "research into the causes of gun violence"

The "causes of gun violence" are
a) totalitarian governments
b) dystopian, dysfunctional societies and cultures


You're welcome.

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 11, 2013 06:20 PM (nGO/U)

196 AtC, this one's for you. Python hunting the old-school way.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ks58D83F_wI

Scratch the pets behind their "ears" for me, My Queen.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 11, 2013 06:20 PM (yiIja)

197 It has passed, or the price to be paid was made apparent and they have chosen the opportunity cost is not worth it.

Or they set a few more fires. I'm sure they have some reserve Jarrod Loughners on speed-dial.

Posted by: toby928© adjusts his tin foil hat comfortably at January 11, 2013 06:20 PM (QupBk)

198
A "cool dry place" huh?
Check.

So I guess that sorta rules out a...*cough*...subterranean location.

Posted by: wheatie at January 11, 2013 06:20 PM (fH4X9)

199 What will they do then? Ban mental illness? ACLU would never allow any changes in the approach to mental illness.

Ban the ACLU.

Well, not completely, but I have some wonderful ideas.

Mwahahahahahahahaha.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 11, 2013 06:21 PM (T0NGe)

200 Its like building a power plant. It isnt banned just too expensive. Executive order slamming fees on it

Posted by: thunderb at January 11, 2013 06:21 PM (CxKRZ)

201 186 Anna puma,

or that....

if you're buying to store and they have them look for 25mm cans.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 11, 2013 06:21 PM (LRFds)

202 Wow those Russians. Beautiful babes, ballet, and bondage.http://youtu.be/xosB3_CSZ9M
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 11, 2013 06:10 PM (hvqfu)


--------------------------------------------


Bravo, Anna! Bravo! Now, I need to start planning a trip to get back to the Ukraine.

I'll just sit on a bench in downtown Kiev and enjoy the sights once again.

Posted by: Soona at January 11, 2013 06:21 PM (4sFpg)

203 Ban Roll-On

Posted by: garrett at January 11, 2013 06:21 PM (ly9ZY)

204 @189 - DI or Direct Impingement, A.K.A. "shitting where you eat" is at the heart of the AR series' supposed woes. With proper cleaning the system works fine. Disclaimer: Mikhail Timofeyevich Kalashnikov is my hero and I own/shoot three of his progeny. I carried the M16/A2 for 20 years, though, so I'm comfy with them as well. YMMV.

Posted by: Al Shabbah at January 11, 2013 06:22 PM (DSXU+)

205 198 wheatie,

It simply cannot be stressed enough....

http://www.oism.org/nwss/

Nuclear War Survival Skills

I plan to have two on my spread when i retire.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 11, 2013 06:22 PM (LRFds)

206 >>>I guess I haven't fired enough rounds through my AR15, but I haven't had any problems.
What are the typical issues?

Gun clean. Gun work.
Gun no clean. Gun jam.

You target shoot. Gun work good.
You take to field and no obsess about dirt. Gun no work.

AK47 always work. Can't hit sh*t beyond 150 yds. But always work.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 11, 2013 06:23 PM (0q2P7)

207 What exactly does a "Universal Background Check" entail? Or is it a meaningless media buzzbuzz like "assault weapon"?

Posted by: toby928© adjusts his tin foil hat comfortably at January 11, 2013 06:23 PM (QupBk)

208
Does this mean that Piers Morgan will be packing his bags and self-deporting?

Oh please, please, please....

Posted by: Marmo at January 11, 2013 06:23 PM (pcgW1)

209 CBD, fouling the gas return tube. Some cheap AR-15 ammo will cause the gun to jam even without fouling... *looks at some CheaperThanDirt ammo from a few years back where the shell casing actually expanded to jam the chamber after firing.*

And SS109 62gr rounds will have a messed up trajectory coming out an AR-15 clone designed for the older 55gr round. Be safe at gun shows and skip green tipped ammo.

Also if you pick up used 30rd magazines, buy the rebuild kits in case the springs are tired. Also check the top of each used magazine to make sure that is not messed up or ammo won't feed before buying.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 11, 2013 06:23 PM (hvqfu)

210 The moronettes are goddesses.

Posted by: toby928© adjusts his tin foil hat comfortably at January 11, 2013 06:25 PM (QupBk)

211 206 Mike the Moose,

mine fired every time I went click in the field w/the A2 the A1 "not so much"

Posted by: sven10077 at January 11, 2013 06:25 PM (LRFds)

212 "207 What exactly does a "Universal Background Check" entail? Or is it a meaningless media buzzbuzz like "assault weapon"?

Posted by: toby928© adjusts his tin foil hat comfortably at January 11, 2013 06:23 PM (QupBk) "

Sounds like a buzzword for "Moar Government, Less Freedom!"

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 11, 2013 06:25 PM (nGO/U)

213 Mrs928 only knows which end of the gun the pea comes out of and how to squeeze the trigger.

Posted by: toby928© adjusts his tin foil hat comfortably at January 11, 2013 06:26 PM (QupBk)

214 210 The moronettes are goddesses.

You are now on the Protected Rolls, toby.

Posted by: wheatie at January 11, 2013 06:26 PM (fH4X9)

215
What exactly does a "Universal Background Check" entail?

They are going to pretend that private sellers and buyers are going to fill out forms and send them in and get an ok before they complete their transaction.

Ya know, just like all the criminals do.

Posted by: Big Chili at January 11, 2013 06:27 PM (p/cQy)

216 Speaking of gun shows, I'm in TX working this week and had to extend the trip until next weekend. I'm going to Corsicana tomorrow to watch one of my partners' kids Barrel Racing. As luck would have it, there's also a gun show in Corsicana this weekend.

Rule 32: Enjoy The Little Things

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 11, 2013 06:27 PM (KZuD1)

217 209 Ms Puma,

correct the numbers to ponder/research are 1/7, 1/8, and 1/9....

I *almost* built my upper on a 1/14" twist but decided I didn't want 55 gr to be "almost too heavy"

Posted by: sven10077 at January 11, 2013 06:27 PM (LRFds)

218 >>>mine fired every time I went click in the field w/the A2 the A1 "not so much"

To be fair the last one I had any real time with was the A2. And it was a whiny little bitch. It was the Jeff Gordon of rifles.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 11, 2013 06:27 PM (0q2P7)

219 If I tried to discuss twist rates or gas tubes with Mrs928, I'd get The Blink of Boredom.

Posted by: toby928© adjusts his tin foil hat comfortably at January 11, 2013 06:28 PM (QupBk)

220 @189 - 55 grain FMJ was/is designed for barrels with a 1/12" rifling twist. The 62 grain, heavier bullet, was designed for the faster 1/9" twist of the M16A2. You can fire 55 grain in a 1/9 but the 62 grain will keyhole in the older, slower 1/12" rifling twist.

Posted by: Al Shabbah at January 11, 2013 06:28 PM (DSXU+)

221 They will also continue to " educate" the masses on this issue and continue to exploit any gun crime that presents itself. They will try to wear us down thru public opinion. They are biding their time...we must remain engaged.

Posted by: small town girl at January 11, 2013 06:28 PM (i5xnd)

222 @ 221 - THIS!

Posted by: Al Shabbah at January 11, 2013 06:29 PM (DSXU+)

223 *sees the smart military blog readers eyes glaze over*

What Sven is talking about is barrel twist. Which for AR-15s can be 1/9 or 1/7. Never heard of 1/8 before. So learn some more. Choose the correct bullet for the correct barrel twist.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 11, 2013 06:29 PM (hvqfu)

224 "221 They will also continue to " educate" the masses on this issue and continue to exploit any gun crime that presents itself. They will try to wear us down thru public opinion. They are biding their time...we must remain engaged.

Posted by: small town girl at January 11, 2013 06:28 PM (i5xnd) "

Yep.

"The press should be not only a collective propagandist and a collective agitator, but also a collective organizer of the masses." -- Vladimir Lenin

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Mitt Romney at January 11, 2013 06:30 PM (nGO/U)

225 218 Mike the Moose,

did any prior people use the retarded "dip the whole fucking rifle in brake kleen" cleaning method?

Fort Bliss got pretty notorious for it and it almost got jessica lynch killed....

Rifles are women, take care of them show them affection dream of them don't completely trust them and buyb them flowers and they'll service you.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 11, 2013 06:31 PM (LRFds)

226 They will also continue to " educate" the masses on this issue and continue to exploit any gun crime that presents itself. They will try to wear us down thru public opinion. They are biding their time...we must remain engaged.
Posted by: small town girl at January 11, 2013 06:28 PM (i5xnd)


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This. None of this means that the propaganda won't stop. Leftists are relentless. It's like playing whack-a-mole.

Posted by: Soona at January 11, 2013 06:32 PM (4sFpg)

227 219 Toby 928th,

Try it...you might get shocked.

I got Mrs 10077 interested by letting her field strip my SKS sporter d.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 11, 2013 06:32 PM (LRFds)

228 Air Force kinda educated me. Here you are assigned to GTACS; you will live in the field, eat MREs, and defend yourself with the M-16. So had incentive to learn a bit.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 11, 2013 06:33 PM (hvqfu)

229 I would love to see 1000 people or so demonstrate in DC to raise awareness of what 30-round mags are. With each person holding one up for the cameras. And with signs that point out that it is ok for David Gregory to show them, so it's ok if they show them.

Laws must be enforced equally.

Posted by: Marmo at January 11, 2013 06:34 PM (pcgW1)

230 Seems there has been a dramatic increase in boating accidents involving gun owners. Therefore, all gun owners must now attend our 13 week gun/boating safety course at a cost of $2,500. Thank you for your attention to this important matter.

Posted by: Boating Safety Commission at January 11, 2013 06:34 PM (YYyqq)

231 216 Speaking of gun shows, I'm in TX working this week and had to extend the trip until next weekend. I'm going to Corsicana tomorrow to watch one of my partners' kids Barrel Racing. As luck would have it, there's also a gun show in Corsicana this weekend.

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Should be perfect weather for watching barrel racing, IlltemperedCur.
Have fun!

Posted by: wheatie at January 11, 2013 06:34 PM (fH4X9)

232 Rifles are women, take care of them show them affection dream of them don't completely trust them and buyb them flowers and they'll service you.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 11, 2013 06:31 PM (LRFds)


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Geez, man. Now I feel like going to my stash and fucking my mini-14.

Posted by: Soona at January 11, 2013 06:34 PM (4sFpg)

233 I guess I haven't fired enough rounds through my AR15, but I haven't had any problems.

What are the typical issues?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 11, 2013 06:18 PM (GsoHv)







Generally the most common problem is going broke while throwing the Magpul catalog at a new AR, making it weigh more than an M60.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 11, 2013 06:34 PM (KZuD1)

234 >>>Rifles are women, take care of them show them affection dream of them
don't completely trust them and buyb them flowers and they'll service
you.

As opposed to the AK that can have an action rusted so bad you have to kick it with a boot to get it to load and it still shoots reliably.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 11, 2013 06:35 PM (0q2P7)

235
Alternately explained as the unofficial Arfcom motto:

"Improved Marksmanship Through Aggressive Spending"

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 11, 2013 06:35 PM (KZuD1)

236 Universal Background Check would include all private sales. I'm guessing that in a person to person sale the parties would have to go to a FFL dealer and pay (nothing free) to have a background check to finalize.

Posted by: Skunky Choom at January 11, 2013 06:37 PM (JeBIy)

237 1/8 is not as common but it is easily found (relative to supply). It is a compromise between 1/7 and 1/9.

Which twist rate fits which bullet is a little complicated, but the easiest way to determine that is by the length of the bullet. People refer to the weight because it's easier to get, and that's kind-of-sort-of accurate as long as the length is proportional to the weight, which it kind-of-sort-of is, usually.

1/12" is actually kind of the extreme end of the range and I wouldn't use that with anything but stubby little varmint bullets.

There are other factors in stabilization, from bullet design to rifling style and even manufacturing tolerances, some 1/9 guns will stabilize 62 or even 69 or 70 grain bullets (see, even I am referring to weight and not length) just fine, depending on bullet design, and some won't.

The only way to be *really* sure is to buy from someone who tested it or to test it yourself.

1/7 has been the "popular choice" in the last few years, and is considered good for 50-80 grain bullets (oops I did it again). Probably higher than 80, but usually anything too far over 70 is too long (back to length) for AR magazines and even some bolt guns.

People should really refer to length instead of weight, but almost no one does. Even I have to look them up when I want to do that, and it varies by manufacturer at the same bullet weight.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 11, 2013 06:37 PM (bxiXv)

238 "You can fire 55 grain in a 1/9 but the 62 grain will keyhole in the older, slower 1/12" rifling twist."

=================

At short ranges, that's a feature, not a bug. I'll have to keep that in mind.

Posted by: schizuki at January 11, 2013 06:38 PM (celt+)

239 Hahahahahahahahaha.

Translation of this story: Somebody just realized that there are 8 red-state Democrats in the Senate who are up for reelection in 2014 and ain't voting for no assault weapons ban. You're damn right they are retreating to what is "doable." All they need to do is ask Mary Landrieu and Mark Pryor what they will vote for.

Posted by: rockmom at January 11, 2013 06:38 PM (aBlZ1)

240 223 Anna Puma,

1/8 is a commercial twist that is gaining popularity with some shooters.

In essence like the .40SW it is a split the difference twist that does not act too pissy with 55-or62gr fun but balks at 77+ gr for "hyper precision"

Frankly I think for most shooters 1-8 is fine it handles 77 gr well enough to get minute of skull accuracy at 200 and what more do you really need unless you're playing "sniper who should have a .308"?

It is also in favor for barrels under 20" 18" is gaining steam.


http://www.shilen.com/calibersAndTwists.html

Bore twist versus grain weight optimal chart.

I wish I had built my Retro with the top charging handle like the Hollywood Armalite era model.

No Dak Spud is on a 8 week backorder.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 11, 2013 06:39 PM (LRFds)

241 Universal Background Check would include all private sales. I'm guessing that in a person to person sale the parties would have to go to a FFL dealer and pay (nothing free) to have a background check to finalize.

Posted by: Skunky Choom at January 11, 2013 06:37 PM (JeBIy)





Yup, as we know so well in CA. Besides the unconstitutional buttfucking of our rights, as a practical matter it's a major pain in the ass.

Then again, one could just buy antiques like say, a Finn M39.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 11, 2013 06:40 PM (KZuD1)

242 328 schizuki,

shhh

what he meant to say was 'damn' that sucks officer I only shoot at paper ever.


Posted by: sven10077 at January 11, 2013 06:40 PM (LRFds)

243 Later, 'rons and 'ettes. I here the creeping noises of the dreaded nightwalkers stirring.

Posted by: Soona at January 11, 2013 06:41 PM (4sFpg)

244 232 Soona,

I named my service weapons after my cousin.....

I named my rocket launcher after my wife.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 11, 2013 06:41 PM (LRFds)

245 A red Rus covers O'Henry's Gift of the Magi. Think she will steal more than your soul.
http://youtu.be/pAjMdVAwEfg

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 11, 2013 06:41 PM (hvqfu)

246 here = hear *Fuck*

Posted by: Soona at January 11, 2013 06:43 PM (4sFpg)

247 234 Mike the Moose,

also known as "mothers in law"....

Mike I like the product perfected AK quite well....it is known as the Valmet and Galil.....


"ducks"

Posted by: sven10077 at January 11, 2013 06:43 PM (LRFds)

248 Merovign and Sven I wonder how many of this blog just got more AR-15 education than they had before buying the gun from Mattel?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 11, 2013 06:43 PM (hvqfu)

249 248 Merovign and Sven I wonder how many of this blog just got more AR-15 education than they had before buying the gun from Mattel?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 11, 2013 06:43 PM (hvqfu)


Only those who don't watch TV shows...

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 11, 2013 06:45 PM (bxiXv)

250
They got the ban once, they'll get it again.

Incrementally, perhaps, or using some other tactics, but they *will* get it again.

And more, too.

I have no more faith in the GOP or the average American citizen.

Posted by: Ed Anger at January 11, 2013 06:46 PM (tOkJB)

251 248 Anna puma,

Heh...I am always happy to help and know I am not all knowing.....

the main thing is understand what you buy, and if you plan on using Mil Surp ammo and are buying just for SHTF do your best to go as close to mil Spec as you legally can where you live.

If I had a LOT of money I'd try to find one of Stoner's original AR-180s.....

I hear they are a JOY to shoot.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 11, 2013 06:47 PM (LRFds)

252 Avtomat Kalashnikova is almost perfect infantry rifle. Load magazine, chamber round, pull trigger - Boom! 7.62mm (or 5.45mm for my Afgantsi brothers) hole in target!

Posted by: Al Shabbah at January 11, 2013 06:48 PM (DSXU+)

253 245 A red Rus covers O'Henry's Gift of the Magi. Think she will steal more than your soul.
http://youtu.be/pAjMdVAwEfg

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 11, 2013 06:41 PM (hvqfu)


All her videos seem to be severe ADD fests, the camera won't sit still long enough for me to get a good long look at her.

Which is very annoying, because I *want* to look at her.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 11, 2013 06:49 PM (bxiXv)

254 241 ITC,

The finns do not fuck around.

Those m-39s are absolutely without a doubt the best heavy barreled service rifles I have ever fired.

I am seriously fighting the urge to have one customized into a precision platform with a picatinny barrel shroud and adjusting butt.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 11, 2013 06:49 PM (LRFds)

255 "...research into the causes of gun violence" is no little joke. It has taken a heap of doing to keep the CDC machine out of gun politics. Once unleashed, they will have unlimited budget and unlimited timeframe. They will never stop coming for you.

Meanwhile, they lied out of the flu epidemic for the first month as people died, and have yet to be brought to account for their multiple eye-wools and deceptions, several of them contradictory, on AIDS. Remember AIDS?

"Universal registration" or "closing the loophole" is bigger than all other issues put together. If they win that, they have won it all. Give them nothing. Demand more.

And do not let this iron cool. If TFG can be shown to have blinked, and/or BS'ed his base, we can make the upcoming term a living hell for him and his...
everybody's saying it now...
ilk.

Posted by: comatus at January 11, 2013 06:51 PM (qaVK+)

256 252 Al Shabbah....

so long as target is within 30 steps or so comrade!

Nah seriously the SKS sporter D is a better rifle IMHO since I am not a huge fan of rapid fire.

I prefer the heavier bore and action.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 11, 2013 06:51 PM (LRFds)

257 Then Merovign, should use the pause button.

As for the gun talk. 55gr for the AR-15 is the almost perfectly safe ammo.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 11, 2013 06:51 PM (hvqfu)

258 @ 251 - Sven, I have a 180B and it's great. The cool thing about the FCG is that it's AR compatible so no problems with spare parts should something break. That and it's light (yay polymer receiver) and has an operating rod.

Posted by: Al Shabbah at January 11, 2013 06:52 PM (DSXU+)

259 237 mero,

Nice post.

You have an opinion on 1/12 vs 1/14 for a 24" varmint gun if you plan on using the correct grain?

I am actually in the odd position of desgning a platform for sub 100 yard shooting and because of liability and good civic ethics do not ever want overpenetration.

I may go into the coyote whispering business.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 11, 2013 06:54 PM (LRFds)

260 I am actually in the odd position of desgning a platform for sub 100 yard shooting and because of liability and good civic ethics do not ever want overpenetration.

I may go into the coyote whispering business.
Posted by: sven10077 at January 11, 2013 06:54 PM (LRFds)

.22LR.

Posted by: wizardpc at January 11, 2013 06:55 PM (hWJMZ)

261 @256 - For longer range, must use Mosin-Nagant! Even if bullet does not kill enemy, shockwave of passing bullet will!

Posted by: Al Shabbah at January 11, 2013 06:55 PM (DSXU+)

262
Yeah, a little spitball for the AK worship:

http://youtu.be/fYeQN2P88p8

http://youtu.be/GEaet1fDE6M

http://youtu.be/WzVZ_OjAxuU

Sure, they have an edge in the brutal simplicity department, but they're not magical talismans, and they do fail. And it's not that uncommon. I've seen AKs that feed poorly, blow up, have pieces fall out, etc.

Whichever gun you get, pick a quality example, feed it well and treat it properly.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 11, 2013 06:55 PM (bxiXv)

263 I think they already woke the sleeping dragon. 2nd Amendment supporters are going to keep talking amongst themselves about this issue. We've sharpened our arguments. We WILL push for concealed carry in schools.

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at January 11, 2013 06:55 PM (Rwrs+)

264 258 Al Shabbah,

Thanks for the info.

The "new" armalite sold the 180bs, I wish I'd gotten one since I bit the bullet and started buying 5.56 semis

Posted by: sven10077 at January 11, 2013 06:56 PM (LRFds)

265 New threads up.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 11, 2013 06:56 PM (hvqfu)

266 Nyet! Is not woman, Is weapon. Weapon must be peasant proof. Scoop out shit and shoot hole in enemy. If out of ammo must be club.

Woman? Crazy Americans.

Posted by: Ivan at January 11, 2013 06:57 PM (OQpzc)

267 @262 - This. It's all well and good for some good natured fanboi snark, but it's up to the individual rifleman (or woman) and his/her training - that's what's going to win battles.

Posted by: Al Shabbah at January 11, 2013 06:57 PM (DSXU+)

268 260 wizardPC,

yeah?

Not being a jerk either.

I have read and the guys out west I talked to who do it pro said the .22LR was a little too light, BUT they have a lot more safe space to play with than some potential clients.

I probably should build a .22lr upper either way though so boy can learn.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 11, 2013 06:57 PM (LRFds)

269 266 Ivan,

Ivan.....it's a woman....a beautiful high-maintence woman.

Ms Puma for example would not respond to your Slavic peasant charms like a nagant.....

Posted by: sven10077 at January 11, 2013 07:00 PM (LRFds)

270
I intend to start gathering trustworthy people around me. We will get more active.

In the past few weeks, I've beensleeplessly worried that this country was about to fall into violence. I don't like feeling that way.

We need 100 NRAs on many different issues pushing back to sanity.

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at January 11, 2013 07:00 PM (Rwrs+)

271 270 JustLikeDavidHasselhoff,

want a secret on how to get people ready in case things go wrong?

Volksmarch my friend.....

get people used to brick cross country work in local woodland terrain.


Posted by: sven10077 at January 11, 2013 07:04 PM (LRFds)

272 Political capital pisses me off

Posted by: ElKomandante at January 11, 2013 07:06 PM (Q0ji5)

273 Storing ammo in a metal ammo can or safe seems like an explosive risk in case of fire. Wouldn't it turn that sealed metal container into a bomb liable to injure fire fighters?

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at January 11, 2013 07:19 PM (Rwrs+)

274 You have an opinion on 1/12 vs 1/14 for a 24" varmint gun if you plan on using the correct grain?

Posted by: sven10077 at January 11, 2013 06:54 PM (LRFds)


I just wrote out this whole thing about twist rate equations and then accidentally closed the tab. Effin browsers.

Basically there is an equation to determine the proper twist rate for a bullet, and it's (C x (diameter of bullet squared (in inches)) / (length of bullet in inches) where C = 150 below 2800 fps muzzle velocity and 180 if above.

There's more but I am *not* going to type that all out again.

Basically the concern of going too fast (lower number, i.e. 1/9 is faster than 1/12) is overstabilization. There are two concerns, disintegration or long-range gyroscopic resistance to the normal flight path.

Disintegration is irrelevant unless you're using lead or really crappy plated bullets, with modern jacketed bullets in a 5.56 or 7.62 it just ain't gonna happen unless you make a 1/1 twist rate barrel.

The Gyroscopic issue is complex and involves a lot of math and geometry, but basically it *starts* to become relevant somewhere between 300 and 600 meters. So, probably not an issue.

Lastly, if you;re hunting coyotes, you don't want a dinky 39-grain bullet anyway, you want a 60-grain v-max, which would work between 1/7 and 1/9 twist - and even the 39-45 grain bullets would probably be fine too (though iffy out past 300 meters in some cases).

Basically I don't ever foresee a use for 1/12 or 1/14 barrels in 5.56 and I wouldn't go past 1/10 even for very light varmint bullets unless they were handcast lead - which I wouldn't run at high enough velocities for it to make a difference anyway.

Now, if you want a varmint upper with a stainless bull barrel, I have one I was thinking of getting rid of (nothing wrong with it I just don't hunt varmints), let me know and we'll work out a non-rush-inflated deal.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 11, 2013 07:20 PM (bxiXv)

275 My bet is that lefty members of congress had heavily invested in ammo and firearms manufactures stock, thus the scare to run up sales and reap the rewards

Posted by: TBIK at January 11, 2013 07:21 PM (q9DYD)

276 233 IllTemperedCur at January 11, 2013 06:34 PM

Heh. This^

Posted by: BoGart at January 11, 2013 07:23 PM (Ugngr)

277 273 Storing ammo in a metal ammo can or safe seems like an explosive risk in case of fire. Wouldn't it turn that sealed metal container into a bomb liable to injure fire fighters?

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at January 11, 2013 07:19 PM (Rwrs+)


As should not surprise you, they are designed to contain that level of force.

Which is not as much as you think. The can expands and vents, the only reason there is so much power in the cartridge is that it is "held shut" bu the chamber and not allowed to expand.

Now, if you toss a cartridge into a fire, you could surely put an eye out, so you shouldn't do it, but the bullets / cases fly about at velocities relatively low compared to *fired* projectiles.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 11, 2013 07:23 PM (bxiXv)

278 274 Mero,

I'll keep it in mind and next time this gets going remind me.

I am selling my last sporter d and getting my qammo choices made.

one 7.62*39 was odd man out.

Thanks for the data.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 11, 2013 07:29 PM (LRFds)

279 277 Mero,

25mm ammo can is designed to reduce overcook potential in bushmaster chow....

I feel plenty safe with it in the garage.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 11, 2013 07:30 PM (LRFds)

280
My ammo is stored in cardboard boxes about the size of ammo cans, with a little free flow for air. Inside, cool dry conditions. Will it last as long as a sealed metal can that way?

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at January 11, 2013 07:32 PM (Rwrs+)

281 280 JLDH,

It should last plenty long....when you hear guys like me saying we are using say .303 brit from 1937 it is usually stored in a can that looks like spam.....

that doesn't mean it has to be, well made ammo is fairly sealed.

The main thinng is steady temp and low humidity, the rest is golden.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 11, 2013 07:36 PM (LRFds)

282
Thanks Sven. Now, the problem is finding enough space to store what I keep adding to every time I think Obama is about to ban something. At least I'm smart enough to buy the instant something happens, while it's still on the news. That way I don't pay inflated prices.

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at January 11, 2013 07:39 PM (Rwrs+)

283 282 JLDH,

Serious suggestion is to keep overflow in a secure off site storage facility that is climate controlled.

That is how wife and i handled it when we lived in columbia SC anyway.

keep enough on hand for need but not enough to be a danger or break a lease.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 11, 2013 07:43 PM (LRFds)

284 The finns do not fuck around.

Those m-39s are absolutely without a doubt the best heavy barreled service rifles I have ever fired.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 11, 2013 06:49 PM (LRFds)








Yep. Easiest way to get my local gunnies to drool over my shootin' irons is to break out the pristine condition M39 (built on an 1896 Izhevsk receiver). I ALWAYS get admiring comments for Annikki. She's one hot babe.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 11, 2013 07:45 PM (KZuD1)

285 There's still lots of time for Boehner to sell out.

*munchs popcorn*

Posted by: torabora at January 11, 2013 08:06 PM (a4UVa)

286 The most dangerous thing Obama can do is go for amnesty. In the twenty-first century, racial politics has become the main game, and importing millions of voters that are in your racial coalition from day one is a killer move. There is no equivalent to the NRA for whites on race and immigration issues, and the Republican Party has many leader who will gladly sacrifice white interests.

I'm glad Obama is wasting political capital trying to push gun control first. That's a loser for him.

Posted by: Chromoly Man at January 11, 2013 11:06 PM (cJzRe)

287 Just to clarify: I wouldn't be for the Democrats' gun control push if I thought they had a prayer of winning.

I'm not for gun control, I'm for Obama absorbing a loss before he goes after amnesty.

Posted by: Chromoly Man at January 11, 2013 11:09 PM (cJzRe)

288 For 277 et seq:Hatchers Notebook has test results for assembled ammo and reloading components in fires. I own stuff that is 40 years old which still works. Use the oldest first, of course.

Posted by: SamW at January 11, 2013 11:24 PM (LaYR1)

289 They will be all right. They can sell their souls to Arab Oil interest like Al Gore and Matt Damon.

Posted by: burt at January 12, 2013 06:19 AM (8kEad)

290 Even if all the lefty screaming and moaning and hand waving over gun control comes to nothing, Obama still wins because we spent weeks not talking about the new tax bite taken out of your paycheck, the colossal national debt, and looming catastrophe of ObamaCare. The more time Obama spends beating scarecrows, the less he has to deal with real problems. Gun control gives the Left to preen themselves on their moral superiority. They love doing that far more than math or reconciling the national checkbook. It's all about the misdirectio

Posted by: Tantor at January 12, 2013 03:08 PM (ytax8)

291 Let's see, they want drones over our cities, repeal of the 22nd amendment, bypass congress on the debt ceiling and they want our guns too. Am I getting that right Bob? Do you think they might settle just for our womenfolk Bob?

Posted by: R. Aurum Tar at January 12, 2013 06:40 PM (S/akZ)

292 I'm glad Obama is wasting political capital trying to push gun control first. That's a loser for him.
Posted by: Chromoly Man at January 11, 2013 11:06 PM (cJzRe)

I don't see how it's a loser for the President. Although there are a few pro-gun Democrats, virtually all of the people opposing firearms restrictions are the same people who voted against him in November. He beat those he considers bitterly clinging, Bible-thumping reactionaries. I imagine he thinks--with reason--he can beat us again, especially since most Republican politicians seem to have been born with that rarest of birth defects: a missing spine.

We lose if we play the Democrat's game of racial pandering and ethnic identification. They're deathly afraid of a truly colorblind society, one based upon merit and content of character. The day darkness or lightness of skin color is recognized as a primitive anachronism is the day the American Left disappears like a soap bubble.

Posted by: troyriser at January 12, 2013 10:42 PM (ptcFO)






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