Psychiatrist: We've Raised a Generation of Narcissistic, Entitled Monsters
And, Completely Unrelated, What It's Like When You Cast Lindsey Lohan In a Movie

As JohnE. says of the Lohan article, it's long but interesting, in a "Will it never end" sort of way.

If you want the short version: She's late a whole heck of a lot and often calls in sick for no good reason, except that she's hungover and exhausted from partying all night with Lady Gaga. Or, as she calls it, "an ear infection."

The writer (whose presence on-set was objected to by Lohan, because she... uh, Lohan knew she'd wind up writing the story for the writer by behaving badly) goes out of her way to keep saying things along the lines of "Well this is the upside of Lindsey Lohan -- she's just a tremendous actress when she nails it."

Really? When has this been, since The Parent Trap? (The hottest movie of 1992, I always say.)

One anecdote is about them attempting to film, without a license, at a mall. Filming without a license is cheap -- you don't have to pay anyone for the right -- but if security sees you doing it they will demand you stop and call the cops if you don't. So this entire scene, shot on the sly, required a low profile.

Over at the mall, Schrader paced nervously. “We need to get three shots, and we’re not going to get a second chance.” He was worried about attracting the attention of mall security. An hour later [late -- ace], Lohan arrived in her black Porsche trailed by four or five paparazzi. Schrader threw up his hands and said, “That’s it.”

Lohan told him, politely, to shut up.

“Paul, we can do this.”

She climbed out of her car and turned to the photographers.

“I’ll make a deal with you. I’ll give you a good shot, but then you have to go.” Lohan turned to her good side and hiked her floor-length skirt up to show a little leg.

“O.K., five, four, three, two, one. Now you have to go.”

The photographers backed away. Lohan walked into the mall, and Schrader started shooting. But they were quickly apprehended by the matronly head of mall security.

“You have to stop.”

Lohan flashed an innocent smile.

“He’s just taking stills. I promise.”

The matron snorted.

“You were wearing the same outfit when you were filming upstairs at Sonoma Wine Garden last week. You have to stop.”

It was over. Defeated, Schrader headed back to the hotel. Lohan walked to her Porsche. G

...

“I lost a bunch in traffic on the way over to Loews. Then when I got to the Loews, there were more, and it was completely different cars, it was X17 and Splash,” Lohan said, speaking rapidly. The paparazzi chase had animated her in a way I hadn’t seen before. “They were already waiting at the hotel, they were already there.”

I asked why she didn’t try a less conspicuous vehicle.

“I’ve tried everything, I would wear wigs . . . we’ve had Wranglers, old Cadillacs — I’ve tried everything.”

"I've tried everything," she says, while driving around in a Porsche. "I'm just too famous to be unrecognized!" sounds suspiciously like "I am very afraid I am growing less famous and more unrecognized by the day so I'm going to do everything humanly possible to draw attention to myself." The Sally Fields character in Soapdish did this too... also at malls, actually.

What could possibly explain this behavior, apart from the obvious?

A new analysis of the American Freshman Survey, which has accumulated data for the past 47 years from 9 million young adults, reveals that college students are more likely than ever to call themselves gifted and driven to succeed, even though their test scores and time spent studying are decreasing.

Psychologist Jean Twenge, the lead author of the analysis, is also the author of a study showing that the tendency toward narcissism in students is up 30 percent in the last thirty-odd years.

This data is not unexpected. I have been writing a great deal over the past few years about the toxic psychological impact of media and technology on children, adolescents and young adults, particularly as it regards turning them into faux celebrities—the equivalent of lead actors in their own fictionalized life stories.


...


[A burst bubble is] really the unavoidable end, by the way. False pride can never be sustained. The bubble of narcissism is always at risk of bursting. That’s why young people are higher on drugs than ever, drunker than ever, smoking more, tattooed more, pierced more and having more and more and more sex, earlier and earlier and earlier, raising babies before they can do it well, because it makes them feel special, for a while. They’re doing anything to distract themselves from the fact that they feel empty inside and unworthy.

He goes on to say the country had better be prepared for this generational bubble-bursting, as we'll have even further psychological problems when self-created fictions can no longer be sustained (depression, etc.).

It's an odd thing but the most truly narcissistic people are also the most dangerously insecure. I think they know their self-estimation cannot possibly withstand a blow from reality so are incredibly alert in detecting any kind of incoming threat from reality, and reacting angrily and strangely to it.

Thanks to @johnekdahl and @rdbrewer4.

Update [JohnE.]: I might as well put up the trailer (below the fold). It looks, um, what's the word? Abysmal.

Posted by: Ace at 08:11 PM



Comments

1 You're a good egg, ace.

Aces, Ace.

Really. Keep up the good work.

Now you must blow me.

Posted by: . Reality at January 10, 2013 08:16 PM (RuUvx)

2 awww, I thought that was a real compliment at first, Reality.

Reality, you suck. You suck mud.

Posted by: ace at January 10, 2013 08:17 PM (LCRYB)

3 It's my particular ... idiom

Posted by: . Reality at January 10, 2013 08:17 PM (RuUvx)

4 It's an odd thing but the most truly narcissistic people are also the most dangerously insecure

That's why I have a job!

Posted by: TOTUS at January 10, 2013 08:17 PM (a5JPa)

5 If everyone is special, then no one is special ...


Or something like that ...

Posted by: Adriane ... at January 10, 2013 08:18 PM (TvO05)

6 For the daily double, what are mass shootings and lootings?

Posted by: On the Nostril at January 10, 2013 08:19 PM (I88Jc)

7 The Sally Fields character in Soapdish did this too... also at malls, actually.

Great movie.


Yeah, who could ever have figured that telling everyone they're Special Snowflakes could have a downside?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. We're not worthy. at January 10, 2013 08:21 PM (Gk3SS)

8 People are driven to be special because deep inside, they know they are not.

Does anyone notice that this seems to coincide with the lack of religious faith in our culture?

Hmmm. I wonder if these two trends could be connected. Discuss.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 10, 2013 08:22 PM (GoIUi)

9

we live in interesting times, indeed

the people, oddly enough, are extremely uninteresting

Posted by: soothsayer at January 10, 2013 08:22 PM (vzLhi)

10 "It's an odd thing but the most truly narcissistic people are also the most dangerously insecure. I think they know their self-estimation cannot possibly withstand a blow from reality so are incredibly alert in detecting any kind of incoming threat from reality, and reacting angrily and strangely to it."

This seems to be a good lead-for a post about how it might - just might, ya know - apply to our Most Excellent Majesty.

Wonder what he'll do when he sees the resistance to some of his coming idiocy?

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at January 10, 2013 08:23 PM (57Eyd)

11
I blame people for hiring her. And what's with Schrader prancing around naked?

Posted by: Waldo Truth at January 10, 2013 08:24 PM (O8DFT)

12 Lohan just does not show up on my give-a-damn list. At all.





Still looking...


Nope. Nothing under "Lohan" there.

Posted by: Dang at January 10, 2013 08:25 PM (R18D0)

13 Here's another thing I don't get. I want to be recognized and awarded for things I've actually done. There's no dignity or honor in being given an award just for showing up. Why the hell do Kids These Days think they're so great? They have done nothing to earn that and it's soul crushing to tell a person they've accomplished something when they haven't.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. We're not worthy. at January 10, 2013 08:26 PM (Gk3SS)

14

btw, people are wondering how Bill Clinton deserves a father of the year award.

history is being revised in front of our very eyes, my fiends; it's as simple as that


Posted by: soothsayer at January 10, 2013 08:26 PM (Y4TdB)

15 >>>as we'll have even further psychological problems when self-created fictions can no longer be sustained (depression, etc.).

Ah yes the next generation that must carry the torch of freedom forward is in danger of being consumed by both delusions of grandeur and the reality of being empty beings all at the same time. I tell you what, we've got this little progressive problem licked.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 10, 2013 08:27 PM (0q2P7)

16 Sounds like being a teenager forever

Posted by: thunderb at January 10, 2013 08:28 PM (cW+aP)

17 It's an odd thing but the most truly narcissistic people are also the most dangerously insecure. I think they know their self-estimation cannot possibly withstand a blow from reality so are incredibly alert in detecting any kind of incoming threat from reality, and reacting angrily and strangely to it.

America elected it. Twice

This will not end well

Posted by: kbdabear at January 10, 2013 08:29 PM (wwsoB)

18
I am unique.

Just like everyone else.

Posted by: Generation Whine at January 10, 2013 08:29 PM (v9Cj5)

19 btw, people are wondering how Bill Clinton deserves a father of the year award. history is being revised in front of our very eyes, my fiends; it's as simple as that
Posted by: soothsayer at January 10, 2013 08:26 PM (Y4TdB)

I think you meant 'Friends".. but hey fiends works here

Posted by: The Jackhole at January 10, 2013 08:29 PM (nTgAI)

20 "You're going to find out, as you go out there, that you're not going to amount to JACK SQUAT!!"

http://vimeo.com/33791796

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 10, 2013 08:29 PM (8sCoq)

21 I thought a fellow teacher was going to have coffee come out of her nose when used the phrase "special little snowflake" to describe some of our students. Here's a great example, though. Some of our boys (jr. high) play with the basketball goals set to 7 feet at recess, so they can make shots and pretend to dunk. It was rather rewarding to see my daughter's school kick their butts 67-15.

Posted by: Ruby at January 10, 2013 08:29 PM (vt4Ip)

22 Tell it to the prezzie who got a Nobel for nothing

Posted by: thunderb at January 10, 2013 08:30 PM (cW+aP)

23 I think Clinton got the I want to have his baby batter in my mouth of the year award.

Posted by: blaster at January 10, 2013 08:30 PM (QTfGj)

24
Gotta love the "dour Calvinists" line in the LL article - I know lots of Calvinists, and none are dour...

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 10, 2013 08:30 PM (X1TgD)

25 btw, people are wondering how Bill Clinton deserves a father of the year award.

Yes, the obvious nominee should have been John Edwards.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 10, 2013 08:30 PM (BAS5M)

26 Back when I worked in radio and "stars" came by the station, I always made sure that I was as far away as possible. MrsCaniac always wanted to meet them, and after the 2nd "meet and greet", she was "wow, what douchebags".


The smaller the star, the bigger the asshole. The bigger the star, even the bigger the asshole.

Posted by: MrCaniac at January 10, 2013 08:30 PM (Zd/NW)

27 Correcting a child does hurt me more than the child. And who am I to repress his or her innate goodness? Eff discipline; I'll distract the darlings until they're someone else's problem!

Posted by: Enlightened Parents at January 10, 2013 08:30 PM (I88Jc)

28 Jones, is that Matt Foley?

Posted by: ace at January 10, 2013 08:31 PM (LCRYB)

29 What I gleaned from the Lohan article is that she does have a special talent. For lying

Amy Winehouse was determined to die fast, but she was trying to die, not trying to deny the laws of biology and physics.

Oh, and Winehouse did actually have quantifiable talent

Posted by: kbdabear at January 10, 2013 08:31 PM (wwsoB)

30 So...I'm not wrong that there are more kids 30ish and younger out there with faces in need of a good fist? I noticed this in high school when the kids one year behind me were a bit douchier than my class, and they got progressively worse and seemed to be more entitled little shitbags the younger they got, but it wasn't necessarily attributable simply to age.

Posted by: Professor Marius von Totenkopf (formerly Hoss Fuentes) at January 10, 2013 08:32 PM (aozUR)

31 Delusional Narcissist in Chief.

Posted by: teh Wind at January 10, 2013 08:32 PM (S880N)

32

I Dream of Jeannie is on.

It's the epiosode where Jeannie defies Tony and hijinx ensues.

Posted by: soothsayer at January 10, 2013 08:32 PM (ZgBZU)

33 Lohan was okay in Mean Girls. That was back in 2004.

Posted by: Hepcat at January 10, 2013 08:33 PM (IPSPJ)

34 I laugh at people I know that have teenagers now. They let the little shitheads run all over them for the last 15 or 16 years and all of the sudden think they are going to put their foot down. It's hilarious.

Posted by: The Jackhole at January 10, 2013 08:33 PM (nTgAI)

35 I saw Til Tuesday backstage at their first concert after that hush hush song went huge. The stars were kinda okay mostly stoned i think but the manager was a HUGE douchenozzle.

Posted by: blaster at January 10, 2013 08:33 PM (QTfGj)

36 >Jones, is that Matt Foley?

Posted by: ace at January 10, 2013 08:31 PM (LCRYB)


The SNL classic yes

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 10, 2013 08:33 PM (8sCoq)

37 See also . . . the noodle guy who thought he should call the shots at his employers place of business.

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 10, 2013 08:33 PM (BAS5M)

38 It's an odd thing but the most truly narcissistic people are also the most dangerously insecure.

Why does everything you write have to be a shot at me? Go to hell ace.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 10, 2013 08:33 PM (+lsX1)

39 Gotta love the "dour Calvinists" line in the LL article - I know lots of Calvinists, and none are dour...

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 10, 2013 08:30 PM (X1TgD)

They exist, at least at the college I went to. Ain't nothing like a dry campus with strict intervisitation rules

Posted by: Professor Marius von Totenkopf (formerly Hoss Fuentes) at January 10, 2013 08:34 PM (aozUR)

40 Staying teens for a very long time, Tanith Lee 'Drinking Sapphire Wine.'

Ms. Lohan is the poster child for all those people the psychologists are worrying about. She has been told she has talent and skill, that she is the apex. She has skated out of trouble and still be hired. So she believes that she can do whatever she wants. Soon though her rampant absenteeism and being a lush will make her un-hireable. And when the studios close their doors on her, then you are going to see a person have a meltdown that will be written about for decades in professional journals as the people she harms sue her to pauperhood.

Remember the studios finally got tired of Marilyn Monroe and her issues. Just as Spielberg got tired of Meghan Fox being a prima donna in the Transformer movies. Studios can find rather quickly other pretty faces to put on the screen.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 10, 2013 08:34 PM (KnIgz)

41 "It's an odd thing but the most truly narcissistic people are also the most dangerously insecure."

so this is kind of an analagous to the President..? Or am I selling myself short here?

Posted by: mallfly at January 10, 2013 08:34 PM (bJm7W)

42 13 Here's another thing I don't get. I want to be recognized and awarded for things I've actually done. There's no dignity or honor in being given an award just for showing up. Why the hell do Kids These Days think they're so great? They have done nothing to earn that and it's soul crushing to tell a person they've accomplished something when they haven't.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. We're not worthy. at January 10, 2013 08:26 PM (Gk3SS)

Exactly. I homeschool my kindergartner and the first lesson I learned was that you absolutely cannot praise everything the kids do (which I knew anyway, but when you are solely responsible for your kid learning how to read and write it really drives the point home). Because a lot of what they are doing is crap and while you don't want to overly berate them, they have to know the difference between bad work, ok work, and truly good work. I praise for truly good work only and I tell my son when his work is unacceptable. Same with his behavior. And he is much better at accepting *constructive* criticism without getting his feelings hurt than he was at the beginning of the school year and I also do not have to fuss at him to get really good work out of him. He knows what is expected and what will be accepted and so he just does it.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at January 10, 2013 08:34 PM (qFpRI)

43 >>>Lohan was okay in Mean Girls.

It wasn't a challenging role. Not be a total super-critical dick but did she do anything to distinguish herself from 1000 other mildly-decent comic actresses?

This new Lindsey Lohan, Emma Stone-- is there anything LL's done that Stone couldn't sleepwalk her way through?



Posted by: ace at January 10, 2013 08:35 PM (LCRYB)

44 Was that last paragraph directed at me?

You know I have drones, right?

Posted by: He whose name shall not be mentioned at January 10, 2013 08:35 PM (v9Cj5)

45 anyway, Biden comes off as narcissistic and he's probably as un-insecure as you can be.

Posted by: mallfly at January 10, 2013 08:35 PM (bJm7W)

46 Oh yeah, but what about ME!

Posted by: CSMBigBird at January 10, 2013 08:35 PM (l7h8K)

47 Platinum dimes are the answer!

Posted by: Ron Paul on crack at January 10, 2013 08:36 PM (Md8Uo)

48
When my kids were in little league, we parents were asked topay for a trophy at the end of the season for our child. It was for participation, I guess. That's where it starts.

Posted by: ALH at January 10, 2013 08:36 PM (eqV3Q)

49 Although the writer gives the point of view of the writer and director, both were successful at one time and must have been such raging assholes that they were reduced to doing a neo-porn flick.

Usually I'd say "die already, Lindsay", but the best punishment is for her to hit 30 and and see Helen Thomas looking back at her in the mirror, and she can't understand why the diva act isn't working anymore.

Posted by: kbdabear at January 10, 2013 08:36 PM (wwsoB)

50 Yeah like that one guy who reelected President after totally wrecking the economy.

talk about failing upward.

at least when he is Secretary General of the UN he wont have any real power.

Posted by: blaster at January 10, 2013 08:36 PM (QTfGj)

51 "You Don't Mess With the Lohan"

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 10, 2013 08:36 PM (1OZSU)

52 I'd still hit it...

Posted by: CSMBigBird at January 10, 2013 08:37 PM (l7h8K)

53 I saw somebody walking out of a courthouse a few years back, can't even remember what she was charged with. She was a nobody, but she was being filmed while talking dramatically on her cell phone and getting into an SUV. A little slice of heaven for her.

Posted by: christopher swift at January 10, 2013 08:37 PM (lugyP)

54 Wait, first an Oscar thread now a Lohan thread?

What happen to our right wing military blog?


Gone touchy feely?

Please don't cancel the Sunday gun thread.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at January 10, 2013 08:37 PM (tWFaN)

55

btw, narcissism is considered a common attribute among psycopaths

their narcissistic behavior is, as Ace says, is a cover for their low self esteem

Posted by: soothsayer at January 10, 2013 08:37 PM (Y4TdB)

56
They exist, at least at the college I went to. Ain't nothing like a dry campus with strict intervisitation rules

Where they actual Calvinists, though?

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 10, 2013 08:38 PM (X1TgD)

57 Yep it will be my generations downfall, hopefully our children will be better but I'm sure that's what our parents said.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at January 10, 2013 08:38 PM (NzBQO)

58 Calvin and Hobbes isnt dour.....

Posted by: blaster at January 10, 2013 08:39 PM (QTfGj)

59 "You Don't Mess With the Lohan"

It's not even a feature--maybe a short film of material. 5 mins. tops. Like its namesake.

Posted by: George Costanza at January 10, 2013 08:39 PM (I88Jc)

60 Local radio station KTWO reports that lawmakers in Wyoming have proposed a “Firearms Protection Act” that provides a state-level annulment of any ban against semi-automatics or magazines that hold 20 or 30 rounds or more.

If the measure passes, it would mean that anyone–even federal agents-who try to enforce a ban within the state borders could be charged with a felony.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at January 10, 2013 08:39 PM (e8kgV)

61 Psychiatrist: We've Raised a Generation of Narcissistic, Entitled Monsters


What you mean "we" Kimosabe?

Posted by: Tonto at January 10, 2013 08:39 PM (v9Cj5)

62 35
I saw Til Tuesday backstage at their first concert after that hush hush
song went huge. The stars were kinda okay mostly stoned i think but the
manager was a HUGE douchenozzle.

Posted by: blaster at January 10, 2013 08:33 PM

Aimee Mann was pretty hot in the 80s. She married Sean Penn's brother Michael, so it's assumed that she's a far left douchenozzle.

Posted by: kbdabear at January 10, 2013 08:39 PM (wwsoB)

63
Let s all move to WY

Posted by: Fresh at January 10, 2013 08:39 PM (O7ksG)

64 btw, narcissism is considered a common attribute among psycopaths their narcissistic behavior is, as Ace says, is a cover for their low self esteem
Posted by: soothsayer at January 10, 2013 08:37 PM (Y4TdB)

after you learn how paths operate they are pretty easy to spot, and more common than you think

Posted by: The Jackhole at January 10, 2013 08:40 PM (nTgAI)

65 I've said for a long time. We became a nation on "I" in the 60's, not a nation of "Us". We let one persons "Right" trump the good of the community. School prayer, ect.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at January 10, 2013 08:40 PM (l7h8K)

66 So whats the deal with Obamacare including a prohibition against the government collecting information on gun ownership?

Posted by: blaster at January 10, 2013 08:40 PM (QTfGj)

67 Psychiatrist: We've Raised a Generation of Narcissistic, Entitled Monsters
And, Completely Unrelated, What It's Like When You Cast Lindsey Lohan In a Movie Talking To Any Liberal About Anything

Posted by: BS Inc. at January 10, 2013 08:41 PM (eP0u9)

68 "The bubble of narcissism is always at risk of bursting."

Yeah, there's that.

And then there's the fact that America just re-elected to a second term as President a guy who has a clinically unmistakable case of obsessive narcissism. So those bubbles of narcissism can and do go on for a long goddamned time. This particular one hasn't burst yet.

Posted by: torquewrench at January 10, 2013 08:41 PM (gqT4g)

69 Didn't she do g/g in 'The Parent Trap?' I dunno. All I can remember was cumming really hard.

Posted by: Shady McLurky at January 10, 2013 08:42 PM (Xf6HL)

70 @62 Aimee Mann was hot with lots of makeup and good lighting

Trust me.

Posted by: blaster at January 10, 2013 08:42 PM (QTfGj)

71 It's an odd thing but the most truly narcissistic people are also the most dangerously insecure

Are you talking to me? ARE YOU TALKING TO ME?!!!

Posted by: Sommeliers United at January 10, 2013 08:42 PM (6TB1Z)

72
There will be no Sunday high capacity gun thread.

And the use of vowels will be strictly limited to those necessary.

a, e, i,o. The vowel 'u' is not necessary, and 'y' is not a vowel.

The people on this blog are a threat to the internet.

True story.

Posted by: Joe Biden, ACME vice president at January 10, 2013 08:43 PM (Md8Uo)

73 I noticed that after getting slapped in the cooter with some actual jail time, Paris Hilton started behaving herself a bit more.

Another incentive was that her grandpa said she was getting cut out of the will if she didn't get her shit together.

Posted by: kbdabear at January 10, 2013 08:43 PM (wwsoB)

74 GET OFF MY FINELY MANICURED LAWN!!11!1!

Posted by: Pecan Scandi at January 10, 2013 08:44 PM (P2wId)

75 The Army actually does a lot of research into their recruiting. What do you think that Army of One bullshit is all about?

Posted by: blaster at January 10, 2013 08:44 PM (QTfGj)

76 Wow comment #134 in the Bill Clinton thread. What a turd in the tureen.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 10, 2013 08:45 PM (KnIgz)

77 I like Michael Penn's "March" album. The song "No Myth" has been used in a ton of movies.

Posted by: no good deed at January 10, 2013 08:45 PM (mjR67)

78 "So those bubbles of narcissism can and do go on for a long goddamned time. This particular one hasn't burst yet.



Posted by: torquewrench at January 10, 2013 08:41 PM (gqT4g)"


Yeah, it took a long time for someone shorting the NASDAQ in the late 1990's were pretty frustrated waiting for the bubble to burst.
But, don't forget that Soros himself said "Find the trend whose premise is false and bet against it". The liberalism bubble is a trend whose premise ("collectivism and micromanaging totalitarian rule by credentials is sustainable") is false.

Posted by: BS Inc. at January 10, 2013 08:45 PM (eP0u9)

79 I'll try not to be too lengthy here but boy does this sound like someone I know very well. Mt best friends daughter. I don't get this kid at all. She's pretty, is well liked but has fallen into a bad crowd. A year and a half ago her boyfriend comitted suicide by hanging himself in the closet of their apartment. She found his body after a night of heavy drinking. She went in to start cleaning up.Walked into the bedroom 2 times before she turned around and saw the body hanging in the closet. Guess what she tried to do less than a month ago? You guessed it. She tried to kill herself by hanging herself in the closet. Now.. this girl has and DID have problems even before meeting this guy. She's a binge drinker.. thinks mommy loves brother more than her etc. God.. My heart breaks for my friend. The stress is going to fucking kill her someday. I want to slap her little self absorbed daughter across the fucking face.

Posted by: jewells45 at January 10, 2013 08:45 PM (u25eL)

80
@49 - Usually I'd say "die already, Lindsay", but the best punishment is for her to hit 30 and and see Helen Thomas looking back at her in the mirror, and she can't understand why the diva act isn't working anymore.
----------------------
Is it going to take that long?Whenever I happen to see a picture of Lohan, she looks hideous. The moment she became an adult, she prematurely aged forty years. Seriously, she's a walking advertisement for staying away from booze and drugs.

Posted by: junior at January 10, 2013 08:45 PM (UWFpX)

81 Psychiatrist: We've Raised a Generation of Narcissistic, Entitled Monsters

Ya think?

Posted by: L Ron Hubbard at January 10, 2013 08:45 PM (9XVgh)

82
after you learn how paths operate they are pretty easy to spot, and more common than you think
Please elaborate. Thanks!

Posted by: ALH at January 10, 2013 08:46 PM (eqV3Q)

83 At a sports bar tv has Bill O Reilly who has Megyn Kelly

I dont think we have mentioned Megan Kelly lately. Yum!

Posted by: blaster at January 10, 2013 08:46 PM (QTfGj)

84 I got my daughter straightened out early. I said to her "All these participation ribbons that are being handed out don't mean jack, you actually have to do good in real life to be a success."

Posted by: Ronster at January 10, 2013 08:48 PM (JgkPs)

85 I would love to see Lohan and her dad in the old school marijuana PSA. "You all right?! I learned it from watching you!"

Posted by: no good deed at January 10, 2013 08:48 PM (mjR67)

86 Ah the Hilton girl's coot. Reminds me of the time I threw a quarter into a Zeppelin hanger.

Posted by: Fuck you. The jokes not that old at January 10, 2013 08:49 PM (Xf6HL)

87 I think I'll look for "The Canyons"

Should be on the shelf at Blockbuster right next to "Surf Nazis Must Die" and "Ilsa of the SS"

Posted by: kbdabear at January 10, 2013 08:49 PM (wwsoB)

88 66
So whats the deal with Obamacare including a prohibition against the government collecting information on gun ownership?

Posted by: blaster at January 10, 2013 08:40 PM (QTfGj)
It's a 2,000 page bill that nobody's ever read, so there are probably all sorts of strange provisions in it. There's a provision forbidding dressing squirrels up in pink tutus and singing the French national anthem to them, for instance. Not that that affects me or anything.

Posted by: Naomi Wolf at January 10, 2013 08:49 PM (9F2c1)

89 Off, silly psychodramatic feminist sock.

Posted by: The Lost Dutchman at January 10, 2013 08:50 PM (9F2c1)

90 Jewells45, only two children in that family or is little Francesca there like the middle or baby? Or was she the oldest and for a good long time treated as the one and only Princess. Then brother comes along and dethrones her? One of my cousins, she had a son and he was spoiled by everyone and then about age three, little sister was born dethroning him. And now have to watch him because he will do things to get his little sister upset.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 10, 2013 08:50 PM (KnIgz)

91 smart. military. blog.

Posted by: sifty at January 10, 2013 08:51 PM (p39GY)

92 After reading this article, try to imagine what happens when this generation of self-satisfied snots are asked to continue to pay for Gran's SS and Medicare. Imagine what happens when super-majorities of their paychecks are confiscated to feed the beast that is government. This will not end well.

Posted by: Greg at January 10, 2013 08:51 PM (KQ4ou)

93 Yeah, who could ever have figured that telling everyone they're Special Snowflakes could have a downside?

You know what happens when you get enough snowflakes together and give them a push?

Posted by: Colorado Alex at January 10, 2013 08:52 PM (o1kXv)

94 "I hate the way you slur your words, you old drunk!"

"I'm not drunk, I'm Scottish!"

"Yeah, sure, right. And I was hospitalized for 'exhaustion'".

"Touche'"

Posted by: HiLoLander at January 10, 2013 08:52 PM (opLk0)

95 If the measure passes, it would mean that anyone–even federal agents-who try to enforce a ban within the state borders could be charged with a felony. Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at January 10, 2013 08:39 PM (e8kgV)


And so it begins.

Posted by: AP style guide at January 10, 2013 08:52 PM (wsGWu)

96 "Freaky Friday" with Jamie Lee Curtis...hmmmm..Lindsey or Jamie Lee? I'll take the hermaphrodite?

Posted by: Pecan Scandi at January 10, 2013 08:52 PM (P2wId)

97
@66So whats the deal with Obamacare including a prohibition against the government collecting information on gun ownership?
----------------------------
iirc, I read yesterday (or possibly earlier today) that Reid threw it in to keep the NRA from getting involved in the Obamacare fight.

Posted by: junior at January 10, 2013 08:53 PM (UWFpX)

98 Robert Downey Jr hit bottom and made the most out of a second chance

LiLo's problem is that people give her second, third, thousanth, and millionth chances

Posted by: kbdabear at January 10, 2013 08:53 PM (wwsoB)

99 Where they actual Calvinists, though?

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 10, 2013 08:38 PM (X1TgD)

If you consider Presbyterians to be Calvinists, then yes.

Posted by: Professor Marius von Totenkopf (formerly Hoss Fuentes) at January 10, 2013 08:53 PM (aozUR)

100 We old people are doomed.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 10, 2013 08:53 PM (QupBk)

101 Jamie Lee Curtis in True Lies FTW

Posted by: blaster at January 10, 2013 08:54 PM (QTfGj)

102 It's funny, and fun, to make fun of Lindsay Lohan, except that she actually is a great actress.

So yeah, you got that wrong.

Posted by: Pastorius at January 10, 2013 08:54 PM (gMAUH)

103 sifty. Haven't seen you around much. How is life in Idaho?

Posted by: Ronster at January 10, 2013 08:54 PM (JgkPs)

104 We've Raised a Generation of Narcissistic, Entitled Monsters
Interesting, but I would venture to say that a lot of parents reading this headline would think, "Oh, well, everybody else has raised narcissistic entitled monsters, but not me. My little darling is advanced."

You would laugh (cry) if you heard allthe parents of 9 month old babies who,when I ask about general developmental progress, insist that little Chloe or Jaydenis "ahead of all the other babies."

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 10, 2013 08:54 PM (1OZSU)

105 Robert Downey Jr hit bottom and made the most out of a second chance

The problem is that there will always be predators in Hollywood willing to give Lindsay a "chance" in exchange for a few favors.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at January 10, 2013 08:55 PM (o1kXv)

106
Way to make my point, Blaster. 'Preciate it.

Posted by: Pecan Scandi at January 10, 2013 08:55 PM (P2wId)

107 I've had the opportunity to hire millennials. We are doomed. Stupidity and ignorance are some of their best traits. The participation trophy culture has given these morons a sense that they really are special snow flakes. Unfortunately I was in a situation where they actually had to, like, be productive. Best example was I gave one special snowflake 3 customers to be responsible for and he made them all go away, and then wondered why he wasn't getting a bonus. I told him that he wasn't even paying for his salary yet much less his very generous benefits. I had to fire him after documenting it every which way I possibly could. For my troubles I get in trouble for firing him (minority) and had to answer to a state board on unemployment as well as dealing with a racial grievance lawyer. I will NEVER open myself up to the same thing happening again. I am sure I'm not the only one.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 10, 2013 08:55 PM (jucos)

108 After reading this article, try to imagine what happens when this
generation of self-satisfied snots are asked to continue to pay for
Gran's SS and Medicare. Imagine what happens when super-majorities of
their paychecks are confiscated to feed the beast that is government.
This will not end well.


My taglines to people are:
1. Do you really believe the 'snooki' generation is going to sacrifice most of their lives' income to fund your retirement?
2. Every large pile of money sitting around is eventually looted (in re 401k's etc.)

Oh, and

3. Retirement? LOL, how quaint. I won't get to, why should you.

Posted by: esch at January 10, 2013 08:55 PM (9XVgh)

109 It's funny, and fun, to make fun of Lindsay Lohan, except that she actually is a great actress.

She's a mediocre actress who might have been great if she hadn't turned into such a horrible person.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at January 10, 2013 08:56 PM (o1kXv)

110 We've been talking about guns 24/7 the last month, once in a while you have to take 5

Commenting about it nonstop on this blog isn't going to change it, and everyone here already knows what's going on

Besides, I've noticed that we aren't bringing teh funneh in the face of adversity like we used to

Posted by: kbdabear at January 10, 2013 08:57 PM (wwsoB)

111
If you consider Presbyterians to be Calvinists, then yes.

Most of us are...the others aren't even Christian (PCUSA leadership, cough, cough). What college was this? At college dorm visiting hours were Fridayevenings and Sat. and Sunday afternoons, with the doors kept open, but you were free to socialize elsewhere if you wanted.

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 10, 2013 08:58 PM (X1TgD)

112 I've had the opportunity to hire millennials. We are doomed. Stupidity and ignorance are some of their best traits. The participation trophy culture has given these morons a sense that they really are special snow flakes. Unfortunately I was in a situation where they actually had to, like, be productive. Best example was I gave one special snowflake 3 customers to be responsible for and he made them all go away, and then wondered why he wasn't getting a bonus. I told him that he wasn't even paying for his salary yet much less his very generous benefits. I had to fire him after documenting it every which way I possibly could. For my troubles I get in trouble for firing him (minority) and had to answer to a state board on unemployment as well as dealing with a racial grievance lawyer. I will NEVER open myself up to the same thing happening again. I am sure I'm not the only one.

I'm always amazed by my peers, mostly that they could be so freaking lazy and stupid. I'm a naturally lazy person, but even I know that you do your job to the best of your ability and that a little humility goes a long way.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at January 10, 2013 08:58 PM (o1kXv)

113 Truck Monkey shorten Millennial to Menial. There you now know their job skill-set.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 10, 2013 08:58 PM (KnIgz)

114 So who here is on this TBS King of the Nerds competition?

Posted by: blaster at January 10, 2013 08:58 PM (QTfGj)

115 Having Lohan's movie snubbed by the Sundance Festival is one thing, but being ignored by the AVN Awards must have REALLY hurt

Posted by: kbdabear at January 10, 2013 08:59 PM (wwsoB)

116
@62 Aimee Mann was hot with lots of makeup and good lighting

Trust me.
====
Shut up! Shut up! Why can't you keep it down?!

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 10, 2013 09:00 PM (MPjT8)

117 @110 letting it burn has few openings for teh funny.

Posted by: blaster at January 10, 2013 09:00 PM (QTfGj)

118 Because voices carry

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 10, 2013 09:00 PM (KnIgz)

119 "Robert Downey Jr hit bottom and made the most out of a second chance "

Yeah but he didn't hit rock bottom until he had to actually go to prison. Until that point they kept on hiring him and hiring him and hiring him even though everyone out there knew he was an addict. Same thing will have to happen to Lohan because until she is forced to get a good look at herself and what she's done to her life- and make no mistake, she will never have to do that so long as she keeps running in Hollywood circles- she will never change.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at January 10, 2013 09:00 PM (qFpRI)

120 Anna.. she is the the youngest. It's just her and her brother. And to his credit brother is a great guy. Got it all going for him. Great job, just got engaged to a sweetie pie who has a young daughter from a previous relationship. He's really got it all going on and oh this girl just loves to tell mommy all the time that mommy loves brother more than her. She knows she's a fuck up.

Posted by: jewells45 at January 10, 2013 09:01 PM (u25eL)

121 So is Joe Biden always riproaring drunk or what?

Posted by: blaster at January 10, 2013 09:01 PM (QTfGj)

122 On the plus side, if you are a young person with an actual work ethic, you can sometimes get ahead quite fast - my brother got hired doing something boring at a gas station, and six weeks later was slated for assistant manager training, since he seems to be one of the handfull of people around who actually shows up on time, will work overtime to cover other people's absences, follows the rules, and actually works while he is there.

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 10, 2013 09:02 PM (X1TgD)

123 Top down problem solving is needed. Always.

Posted by: Sulla's got a proscription for your ills at January 10, 2013 09:02 PM (I88Jc)

124 So is Joe Biden always riproaring drunk or what?

The only thing I'll ever say in his defense is, wouldn't you be? I know I would.

Posted by: esch at January 10, 2013 09:03 PM (9XVgh)

125 I love movies and stories about moviemaking so I read the article. I found myself feeling sorry for Schrader, the once great director, and Ellis, the once-famous writer, and Lohan, desperate and dissolute and doomed. Thing is, my pity was misplaced. There are millions--billions--of other, better people out there struggling every day to do right, to help others, to serve their countries and their God.

The most well-adjusted person described in the article was the porn star. Insofar as I could tell, he was the only non-narcissist on the set of that miserable movie.

Posted by: troyriser at January 10, 2013 09:03 PM (ptcFO)

126 be one of the handfull of people around who actually shows up on time

It sounds crazy, but in this day, if you show up on time and don't call in sick every other day you can advance quite quickly.

Posted by: Ronster at January 10, 2013 09:05 PM (JgkPs)

127 ..and why in the name of fuck when I finally decide to get back into practicing guitar do I cut my fucking middle finger??? WHY???

Posted by: jewells45 at January 10, 2013 09:06 PM (u25eL)

128 "Robert Downey Jr hit bottom and made the most out of a second chance "



Yeah but he didn't hit rock bottom until he had to actually go to prison



IIRC, RDJ has said point blank that the only thing that saved him was jail and that the only thing that will save Lohan is jail.


There's a great PJ O'Rourke article talking about how drug crimes are treated if you're poor as opposed to if you're rich. There's a bit where a parent is talking about their son who was busted dealing heroin and the parent is all "we're trying to get him off the punishment path and onto the rehab path" and it is very obvious to everyone but the parent that this is bullshit.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. We're not worthy. at January 10, 2013 09:06 PM (Gk3SS)

129 Got it Jewells45, she wants to share her misery.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 10, 2013 09:08 PM (KnIgz)

130 :::13 Here's another thing I don't get. I want to be recognized and awarded for things I've actually done. There's no dignity or honor in being given an award just for showing up. Why the hell do Kids These Days think they're so great? They have done nothing to earn that and it's soul crushing to tell a person they've accomplished something when they haven't.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. We're not worthy. at January 10, 2013 08:26 PM (Gk3SS):::

Is it really a new phenomenon, though? I know everyone thinks Paris Hilton and that family of Armenian whores pioneered the business of becoming famous for no reason in particular.

"Look! I have a... show. Which is about me... doing... stuff. And talking. About stuff."

Pretty fuckin retarded, but it seems just a cheaper, more crass version of the pre-television socialites who attended all the functions at which a Society Page photographer was guaranteed to be snapping photos.

What about Andy Warhol and his useless posse of dipshits? They seemed to get a lot of ink and press for just hanging around.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 10, 2013 09:08 PM (JDIKC)

131
and why in the name of fuck when I finally decide to get back into practicing guitar do I cut my fucking middle finger???
============
Stop showing it to everybody all day and maybe it'll heal faster.

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 10, 2013 09:08 PM (MPjT8)

132 117 @110 letting it burn has few openings for teh funny.
Posted by: blaster at January 10, 2013 09:00 PM (QTfGj)

******

Alas, the human condition is full of sadness and woe. Life is short, brutal and unpredictable. If we can't laugh at the absurdities that surround us then we might as well cash in our chips. Besides, if God didn't want us to laugh, why did he create the giraffe and the platypus, and yes, even the manatee...






...and Joe Biden.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 10, 2013 09:09 PM (1OZSU)

133 Hell, why should they hire LL when they can just hire Nick Searcy to play LL? He'll give a more nuanced, convincing performance. Plus, no worrisome dui's with his beotches to drive him around town.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at January 10, 2013 09:09 PM (wCjkk)

134 Evening everyone,
I'm currently trying to run away from the flu, it's all around me, two of my daughters best friends had/have it, my other daughter's boyfriend has it really bad, I think he has type A, that would be, fever, headache, cough, body ache, chills and to top it all off... vomiting.
I have sanitized the whole house and am currently hiding in my room watching office space trying to will away the evil germ spirits.
I'm considering getting a hazmat suit.

Posted by: spypeach at January 10, 2013 09:10 PM (pwTow)

135 Troyriser, sounds like someone has recreated in real life the William DaFoe movie 'Shadow of the Vampire' Max Schreck knowingly uses a real vampire to make the film Nosferatu. No matter that cast and crew are vanishing, the film must go on!

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 10, 2013 09:10 PM (KnIgz)

136 ...and Joe Biden.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 10, 2013 09:09 PM (1OZSU)


And the Kansas City Chiefs. I had to throw that in.

Posted by: Ronster at January 10, 2013 09:11 PM (JgkPs)

137 Hey everybody! Were you talking about me?

Posted by: fluffy, narcissist at January 10, 2013 09:12 PM (z9HTb)

138 Posted by: spypeach at January 10, 2013 09:10 PM

Beta Glucan and Olive Leaf Extract.
Available at any health food/vitamin store

Magic

Posted by: Beto at January 10, 2013 09:12 PM (BAnPT)

139
My unlamented ex-cow-irker. Narcissistic, insecure, prone to scream and yell if corrected however gently for screwing up, took credit for other people's work, refused to do anything "beneath" her, made up a ridiculously-inflated title for herself, has only ever lasted at any workplace 2 years. That's about how long she can maintain the charade that she's capable of performing ANY task. Got a look at her resume...to read it, you'd think she was a damn genius and had single-handedly performed EVERY upper-level task possible at our workplace.
I know I cheered out loud when she announced she was going elsewhere.

Posted by: Quint&Jessel, Sea of Bly, Azof, UK at January 10, 2013 09:12 PM (7v5Ct)

140 I hardly want to spend my time, nor be known as the guy who spent his time defending Lindsay Lohan, but, watch the movie Freaky Friday. She was great in that movie. Great. At 17, she carried a movie. How many actresses can do that?

Posted by: Pastorius at January 10, 2013 09:12 PM (gMAUH)

141
It sounds crazy, but in this day, if you show up on time and don't call in sick every other day you can advance quite quickly.

It has never worked that way for me, but then my jobs have either been working for a small business run by friends, as a faceless cog in a corporation doing customer service, a job which I am quite ill-suited for (I was concientious but slow, and they needed someone who could get through calls much faster than I could), and as a teaching assistant - none of which really offered opportunities to be promoted.
The funny thing is that my brother is in many ways very much a screw-up himself - perfect guy until he decided he was tired of being good, got into drugs in a small way and lost his job as a lifeguard in consequence, hasn't been able to finish college in time, ended up in a psychiatric hospital last year, and is only now beginning to put his life back together - and he is still better than 90% of the guys he works with. I am kind of proud of him...

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 10, 2013 09:13 PM (X1TgD)

142 And the Kansas City Chiefs. I had to throw that in.
Posted by: Ronster at January 10, 2013 09:11 PM (JgkPs)

*****

Actually I would categorize Romeo Crenell's tenure as Chief's head coach as "short, brutal and unpredictable".

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 10, 2013 09:13 PM (1OZSU)

143 The Lohan stuff might be academic, folks. By several reliable accounts, she's up to over a quart of vodka per day. One source has her at close to two quarts.

John Bonham drank an estimated forty drinks of vodka (just under two quarts - do the math) the day he died.

Lindsay is quite a bit smaller than John Bonham was.

Posted by: Eric in Boise at January 10, 2013 09:13 PM (NTjJ1)

144 :::133 Hell, why should they hire LL when they can just hire Nick Searcy to play LL? He'll give a more nuanced, convincing performance. Plus, no worrisome dui's with his beotches to drive him around town.
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at January 10, 2013 09:09 PM (wCjkk):::

That's a good point.

Does Lindsay Lohan have a Peabody? Hell, no.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 10, 2013 09:13 PM (JDIKC)

145 Hey everybody! Were you talking about me?


Posted by: fluffy, narcissist at January 10, 2013 09:12 PM

Well, now that you're in earshot. no

Posted by: Beto at January 10, 2013 09:13 PM (BAnPT)

146 You have a bunch of self-obsessed narcissists who believe they are more aware and more enlightened then everyone else. They believe that they deserve awesome and fulfilling careers that involve no word because they are just so awesome.

That is where Obama comes in and gives them a bunch of free stuff, massive loans so they can get masters degrees in grievance studies, and tells them how awesome they are for being little leftist douche-bags.

As a result, they vote for Obama.

The left created the electorate they wanted because they could not appeal to the one they had.

This will not end well.

This has not ended well...

Posted by: The Political Hat at January 10, 2013 09:14 PM (Vk2pI)

147 Beta Glucan and Olive Leaf Extract.Available at any health food/vitamin storeMagic
Posted by: Beto at January 10, 2013 09:12 PM (BAnPT)
ok, so do I eat it, make it into a potion or sprinkle it around the doorways or all three

Posted by: spypeach at January 10, 2013 09:14 PM (pwTow)

148 I wonder if idowhatiwant is reading this seething in impotent rage at this "unserious" post. Since he showed up last night on the ONT thread after the weeks long absence after ace told him to fuck off the last time he had a hissy fit about nonpolitical threads.

Posted by: buzzion at January 10, 2013 09:14 PM (GULKT)

149 Posted by: Pastorius at January 10, 2013 09:12 PM (gMAUH)

*****

LL carried the movie "Freaky Friday"? Now there's some heavy lifting.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 10, 2013 09:15 PM (1OZSU)

150 136
...and Joe Biden.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 10, 2013 09:09 PM (1OZSU)



And the Kansas City Chiefs. I had to throw that in.

Posted by: Ronster at January 10, 2013 09:11 PM

And the Buttfumble.

Posted by: Mark Sanchez at January 10, 2013 09:15 PM (wwsoB)

151 I think we have a newbie trying to whip LL across the finish line to win Best Actress. Alas LL likes vodka in her mash and is staggering lost in the back of the pack.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 10, 2013 09:15 PM (KnIgz)

152
>>>and why in the name of fuck when I finally decide to get back into practicing guitar do I cut my fucking middle finger???
Hey! I cut my middle finger tonight, too, on my bird flipping hand, no less. I was installing a new scope on a certain, er, uh... well... it wasn't a guitar.
But I have one! and a banjo, too! Some say a banjo is more dangerous than the device I was installing the scope on.
Ended in a preposition. So what.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 10, 2013 09:15 PM (4Mv1T)

153 Oh, and she wore CONSPICUOUSLY designer items, with really big letters and names. Just so we'd all know how fabulous she was!

Posted by: Quint&Jessel, Sea of Bly, Azof, UK at January 10, 2013 09:16 PM (7v5Ct)

154
Ended in a preposition. So what.

Double score for sentence fragments!

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 10, 2013 09:17 PM (X1TgD)

155 7 AlextheChick,

indeed....

Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 09:17 PM (LRFds)

156 I'm currently trying to run away from the flu, it's all around me,
Posted by: spypeach


Don't forget to make them use their own towels. And not touch anything in the kitchen.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 10, 2013 09:17 PM (djdc7)

157 Formatting. What the hell is it?

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 10, 2013 09:17 PM (4Mv1T)

158 I might as well put up the trailer (below the fold). It looks, um, what's the word? Abysmal.

Guess they didn't want to advertise the male lead as "porn actor James Deen." Gee I wonder why. And yeah that looks horrible.

Posted by: buzzion at January 10, 2013 09:17 PM (GULKT)

159 I'm a Dad of two young girls. Freaky Friday is a fun movie to watch with daughters. It is better than 98% of the kids movies out there. It has a positive pro-family message. How many movies does Hollywood make of which you can say that?

Posted by: Pastorius at January 10, 2013 09:17 PM (gMAUH)

160 It sounds crazy, but in this day, if you show up on time and don't call in sick every other day you can advance quite quickly.

Posted by: Ronster at January 10, 2013 09:05 PM (JgkPs)



I used to work with a woman who worked her way up to being the head paralegal in the firm, which put her in charge of 15-20 other people. It was a miracle if she worked every day in a week because she had "health issues" or, you know, alcoholism. The reason she wasn't fired? Because when she was there, she did great work. It still drove me nuts though mainly because I was the one who had to pick up her slack whenever she called off because she knew that there was a major project that day that had to be done and there was no way I would allow us to miss a deadline. So she got to work 70-80% of the time and miss the huge stressful events. The kicker? She bitched and bitched because they wouldn't give her a raise or give her an extra week vacation.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. We're not worthy. at January 10, 2013 09:18 PM (Gk3SS)

161 And the Buttfumble.
Posted by: Mark Sanchez at January 10, 2013 09:15 PM (wwsoB)

*****

If every Moron reading this post right now, looked up from their computer or phone and said out loud, "Buttfumble", the world would be a better place. All together now...one...two...three...

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 10, 2013 09:18 PM (1OZSU)

162 Anna.. yeah I think you are right. It just kills me to see this happening. It's like watching a train wreck and I know it is going to end badly. For chrissakes.. if my daughter had tried to kill herself, she would be somewhere right now getting help. I think my friend is in denial. She still wants to be "cool mom" and throwing daughter into a mental institution would not be cool. At all.

Posted by: jewells45 at January 10, 2013 09:18 PM (u25eL)

163 Posted by: spypeach at January 10, 2013 09:14 PM

My wife had the flu, took a capsule of each and her symptoms subsided in two hours and well in a day. I was starting symptoms and they went away in fifteen minutes after dosing.
Magic

Posted by: Beto at January 10, 2013 09:19 PM (BAnPT)

164 Okay, crap- You all left me hanging there. I was the only one who said "Buttfumble".

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 10, 2013 09:19 PM (1OZSU)

165 :::69 Didn't she do g/g in 'The Parent Trap?' I dunno. All I can remember was cumming really hard.
Posted by: Shady McLurky at January 10, 2013 08:42 PM (Xf6HL):::

Dude, what the fuck is wrong with you?





That was Haley Mills in the original version.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 10, 2013 09:19 PM (JDIKC)

166 Posted by: Pastorius at January 10, 2013 09:12 PM

Just say "I'd still hit it" and we'll understand. The defense of every appearance she's made on celluloid smacks of pitiful fanboy trolling

You're getting scarily close to a Chris Crocker Youtube

Posted by: kbdabear at January 10, 2013 09:19 PM (wwsoB)

167
Most of us are...the others aren't even
Christian (PCUSA leadership, cough, cough). What college was this? At
college dorm visiting hours were Fridayevenings and Sat. and Sunday
afternoons, with the doors kept open, but you were free to socialize
elsewhere if you wanted.

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 10, 2013 08:58 PM (X1TgD)

Grove City College in western PA.

Posted by: Professor Marius von Totenkopf (formerly Hoss Fuentes) at January 10, 2013 09:19 PM (aozUR)

168 I, as a youth football coach, got to hand out those stupid 'participation' trophies. It was even worse than dealing with some of the stupid ass parents. I always took the kids aside before the football banquet and explained to them that the trophies they remember will be the ones they actually earned. I had exactly 3 trophies. I am almost 50 and I STILL have them and can tell you the year I get them and what I got them for.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 10, 2013 09:19 PM (jucos)

169 On a brighter note.. think I found a good neurosurgeon!!

Posted by: jewells45 at January 10, 2013 09:21 PM (u25eL)

170 Cool Jewells45. Just make sure none of the new parts say Made in China.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 10, 2013 09:21 PM (KnIgz)

171 >>>I was the only one who said "Buttfumble"

I thought it. Does that count?

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 10, 2013 09:22 PM (4Mv1T)

172 One person's self-indulgent faux noir is another person's irritable bowel Roker.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 09:22 PM (LRFds)

173 :::I had exactly 3 trophies. I am almost 50 and I STILL have them and can tell you the year I get them and what I got them for.:::

Attendance?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 10, 2013 09:22 PM (JDIKC)

174 My friend and I are of this lousy generation, and are talking about starting a business this year. I'm deathly afraid that we've convinced ourselves we can do it, because of articles like this. I hope we're smart enough to realize we're not blowing smoke up each others asses but we wont know until we try.

Posted by: Brenden at January 10, 2013 09:22 PM (IUY3c)

175 Do I now qualify as a LIV?

Posted by: Thorvald at January 10, 2013 09:22 PM (1V6Pv)

176 Michael Lohan has had to reach for the soap more than a few times, and yet he can't stay out of trouble.

Failure to learn from mistakes is a feature of that toxic waste dump called the Lohan gene pool

Posted by: kbdabear at January 10, 2013 09:23 PM (wwsoB)

177 Roker in Swahili means runner

Posted by: Beto at January 10, 2013 09:23 PM (BAnPT)

178 This new Lindsey Lohan, Emma Stone-- is there anything LL's done that Stone couldn't sleepwalk her way through?

Ace, Lohan apparently is a halfway decent rug muncher. I do not believe Emma Stone can do that in her sleep.

Although I would love to have the opportunity to tell her, "don't just stare at it, eat it!"

Posted by: wooga at January 10, 2013 09:23 PM (hUbRl)

179 146 The Political hat,

It is ending one way or the other.

They are not wanting to 'convert' us hat.


Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 09:23 PM (LRFds)

180 >Okay, crap- You all left me hanging there. I was the only one who said "Buttfumble".




I went with 'flapdoodle'.

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 10, 2013 09:23 PM (8sCoq)

181 Sorry, but I have to say it. I really dislike these kinds of threads. I've never understood the fascination with the lives of celebrities. It seems undignified to sit around and gossip about the personal problems of some random girl that we don't know, have never met and really have no clue about. It's just... I don't know. It's nasty.

Posted by: ELKomandante at January 10, 2013 09:23 PM (Q0ji5)

182 I'm deathly afraid that we've convinced ourselves
we can do it, because of articles like this. I hope we're smart enough
to realize we're not blowing smoke up each others asses but we wont know
until we try.

Posted by: Brenden at January 10, 2013 09:22 PM (IUY3c)



If you're worried that you're like that, you aren't.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. We're not worthy. at January 10, 2013 09:24 PM (Gk3SS)

183 :::I had exactly 3 trophies. I am almost 50 and I STILL have them and can tell you the year I get them and what I got them for.:::

Attendance?
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 10, 2013 09:22 PM (JDIKC)
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B

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 10, 2013 09:24 PM (jucos)

184 How will you ever know what you are good at if no one tells you what you you suck at?

Posted by: Tmitsss at January 10, 2013 09:24 PM (4svfZ)

185 Eat bite fuck suck BUTTFUMBLE chew ....

Posted by: George Carlin at January 10, 2013 09:24 PM (wwsoB)

186 175 Thorvald,

No

Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 09:24 PM (LRFds)

187 LOL Anna.. hopefully no new parts.. I am not sure how they fix a ruptured disc. That's my first question I guess.

Posted by: jewells45 at January 10, 2013 09:24 PM (u25eL)

188 That was Haley Mills in the original version.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 10, 2013 09:19 PM (JDIKC)


You have to be an old fart if you know that.

Posted by: Ronster at January 10, 2013 09:24 PM (JgkPs)

189 .Although I would love to have the opportunity to tell her, "don't just stare at it, eat it!"



And jiggle the balls- what are they orphans?

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 10, 2013 09:24 PM (8sCoq)

190 171 >>>I was the only one who said "Buttfumble"I thought it. Does that count?
Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 10, 2013 09:22 PM (4Mv1T)


*****

Well, I suppose just this once.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 10, 2013 09:24 PM (1OZSU)

191 Buttfumble?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at January 10, 2013 09:24 PM (hO8IJ)

192 I meant to say Buttfumble, but I buttfumbled.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 10, 2013 09:24 PM (jucos)

193 >LOL Anna.. hopefully no new parts.. I am not sure how they fix a ruptured disc. That's my first question I guess.


fused vertebra

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 10, 2013 09:25 PM (8sCoq)

194 "God and Man at Yale", William F. Buckley, Jr., 1951.

Posted by: Thorvald at January 10, 2013 09:25 PM (1V6Pv)

195 Brendan go for it. Work hard and always remember to treat the customers with courtesy.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 10, 2013 09:25 PM (KnIgz)

196 >>Exactly. I homeschool my kindergartner and the first lesson I learned was that you absolutely cannot praise everything the kids do (which I knew anyway, but when you are solely responsible for your kid learning how to read and write it really drives the point home).

I don't praise much. I say thank you when they help me...I talk to them like humans...if they do something beyond what they did yesterday, I will celebrate with them as opposed to patting them on the head.

Read a book on this subject...what the heck was it called?

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 10, 2013 09:25 PM (SUKHu)

197 Brendon.. go for it man! Hope it succeeds!!

Posted by: jewells45 at January 10, 2013 09:25 PM (u25eL)

198 182 AlexTheChick,

Pretty much....had I the patented Clinton is father of the year editorial oversight time machine I'd kick 11 year old me in the nuts...repeatedly.

I was pretty arrogant until reality kneed me in the nuts a few times,

Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 09:26 PM (LRFds)

199 I will say something nice about Lindsay Lohan. She has nice cans..... or used to.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 10, 2013 09:26 PM (jucos)

200 My wife had the flu, took a capsule of each and her symptoms subsided in two hours and well in a day. I was starting symptoms and they went away in fifteen minutes after dosing.Magic
Posted by: Beto at January 10, 2013 09:19 PM (BAnPT)

Thanks, I will be going to the store first thing in the morning.

Posted by: spypeach at January 10, 2013 09:26 PM (pwTow)

201 It's amazing (except not really) that Lohans' porn star Co-star comes off sounding the most professional and sane of every person mentioned in the article.

Posted by: Ktgreat at January 10, 2013 09:27 PM (CvmjS)

202 188 Ronster,

I knew it...

I am...


*runs sobbing*

Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 09:27 PM (LRFds)

203 Jones did you have it done? How did you do? Was it painful? How long was recovery?

Posted by: jewells45 at January 10, 2013 09:27 PM (u25eL)

204 DirectTV customers.....FYI --free movie channels all weekend. I see 90% of movies this way.

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 10, 2013 09:27 PM (MPjT8)

205 "They are not wanting to 'convert' us hat."

+100

Posted by: Contempt for the Spouse at January 10, 2013 09:27 PM (I88Jc)

206 199 Truck monkey,

she is aging slightly more gracefully than Cameron Diaz

Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 09:27 PM (LRFds)

207 98 KBDaBear,

she has three gifts Mr. Downey lacks....


Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 09:28 PM (LRFds)

208 I went with 'flapdoodle'.
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 10, 2013 09:23 PM (8sCoq)


*****

Now that's the spirit Jones. You get a trophy.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 10, 2013 09:28 PM (1OZSU)

209 she is aging slightly more gracefully than Cameron Diaz
Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 09:27 PM (LRFds)
-------------------------------------------------------
Damning with faint praise.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 10, 2013 09:29 PM (jucos)

210 :::188 That was Haley Mills in the original version.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 10, 2013 09:19 PM (JDIKC)

You have to be an old fart if you know that.
Posted by: Ronster at January 10, 2013 09:24 PM (JgkPs):::

I turn 40 sometime this month. Is that old?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 10, 2013 09:29 PM (JDIKC)

211 I have a sister who I believe is a narcissist. She craves attention and engages in various obnoxious behaviors to get it. The sad thing is, she gets the opposite of what she wants. People DON'T want to be around her.

In the real world people like this are avoided, and they either change or they have few friends. In celebrityland they get away with this nonsense.

Posted by: nerdygirl at January 10, 2013 09:29 PM (h+wBo)

212 Simon Cowell has said in interviews that the awful repercussions of the self esteem culture is when parents don't tell their children that they have no musical talent. He says it's an abomination that children work at something they'll never succeed at while neglecting what they do have talent for, because no one will tell them.

Kids, Simon is cold reality sending you home in tears after you've made an ass of yourself on national television


Posted by: kbdabear at January 10, 2013 09:29 PM (wwsoB)

213 USS D, last time they did it I couldn't find a thing I wanted to watch.

Tho' that might be an attention span--oh, look, a squirrel!

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 10, 2013 09:29 PM (SUKHu)

214 Brendan- Once you go self-employed, you'll never go back. I started my first biz in 1993. It flopped in 4 months. Went back to what I was doing. I t took me ten years to get back into a position to be self-employed again, but I did it the instant the timing was right. That was 9 years ago.

Do it man. DO. IT.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 10, 2013 09:29 PM (4Mv1T)

215 We ALL should get trophies! Trophies for everyone ace!

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 10, 2013 09:30 PM (jucos)

216 ><Jones did you have it done? How did you do? Was it painful? How long was recovery?

Posted by: jewells45 at January 10, 2013 09:27 PM (u25eL)

No I didn't have it done- just did a little research on the net when I hurt my back. My disc was herniated, not ruptured. Over time, the disc (it was an L4, I think) returned to its normal size and shape

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 10, 2013 09:30 PM (8sCoq)

217 201 KTgreat,

Porn workers are either the most diva like or hardest pros I ever guarded.

Mimi Miyagi was 100% cutthroat professional.

Buddy of mine guarded Savannah and said she was 100% Diva.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 09:31 PM (LRFds)

218 Nuh-uh!

I really am special and better than you and I'm like so enlightened and stuff and you should listen to me and give me what I want!!1!

Posted by: Indigo Child at January 10, 2013 09:32 PM (Vk2pI)

219 I second that Truck Monkey. They should all be engraved in French and Ace has to translate.

Posted by: jewells45 at January 10, 2013 09:32 PM (u25eL)

220 Sorry, but I have to say it. I really dislike these kinds of threads. I've never understood the fascination with the lives of celebrities. It seems undignified to sit around and gossip about the personal problems of some random girl that we don't know, have never met and really have no clue about. It's just... I don't know. It's nasty.

----------------

Fair enough, but that's not why I (and others) thought it was interesting. It was a behind-the-scenes look at the challenges of casting someone like this, which is a compelling read. We make a lot of assumptions, so it's great to see what the day to day management headaches are like.

Most of us also assume that what makes Lohan (and others like her) so difficult to cast is her reputation and behavior. Sure that's true, but it's more because companies refuse to insure her. The only reason she got this chance was because the movie was so low-budget that it didn't need to be insured. Show's you just how tough the "comeback" is (even though Hollywood loves it) once your personal life starts circling the drain.

Posted by: JohnE. at January 10, 2013 09:32 PM (nRTou)

221 210 Empire of Jeff,

July for me.

Evidently I guess.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 09:32 PM (LRFds)

222 He says it's an abomination that children work at something they'll
never succeed at while neglecting what they do have talent for, because
no one will tell them.


What about us kids who don't have any talent for anything?

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at January 10, 2013 09:33 PM (hO8IJ)

223 He goes on to say the country had better be prepared for this generational bubble-bursting, as we'll have even further psychological problems when self-created fictions can no longer be sustained (depression, etc.).

I'm prepared. Have my chair, cold beer and popcorn. Bust away.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 10, 2013 09:33 PM (d0Dmj)

224 215 We ALL should get trophies! Trophies for everyone ace!
Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 10, 2013 09:30 PM (jucos)

*****


Yay! How about it Ace? Commenter participation trophies, just 'cause we're all special. (in one way or another).

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 10, 2013 09:34 PM (1OZSU)

225 “It's an odd thing but the most truly narcissistic people are also the
most dangerously insecure. I think they know their self-estimation
cannot possibly withstand a blow from reality so are incredibly alert in
detecting any kind of incoming threat from reality, and reacting
angrily and strangely to it.”

Having some familiarity with Narcissistic Personality Disorder, their world is very complicated yet jejune at the same time. They experience a love-hate self relationship. They feel intense shame about themselves (not guilt) and suffer from low self-esteem so they cover for it with preening arrogance. They reject the real self and any emotional connection to it to become an image of a human being. They're expert liars — mostly to themselves — so they avoid seeing how inhuman they are.

The image is all they've got so, if anything threatens the image, they react with the extreme prejudice and rage of someone being threatened with total annihilation. It's a sad, joyless existence and those who get close to them eventually come to view them as monstrous.

Posted by: jix at January 10, 2013 09:34 PM (3GvbU)

226 So this is quasi OT but it deals with narcissism and has always bugged.

You know that song your'e so vain, you probably think this song i about you, but it is about that guy, so why are you mad that he thinks a sound that is in fact about him is about him, isn't that entrapment?

Posted by: Ed Wood VS Godzilla at January 10, 2013 09:34 PM (obHYs)

227 Yahoo news proclaiming california budget woes are over:

http://news.yahoo.com/governor-brown-unveil-california-budget-141509838.html

The state controller explaining that the 100 million above forecast was "the rich" taking their capital gains at the end of the year to avoid next years taxes. Previously revenues were 800 million behind.

http://www.sco.ca.gov/Files-EO/01-13summary.pdf

The media is complicit.

Posted by: Mr Orwell at January 10, 2013 09:35 PM (vu484)

228 Posted by: Mama AJ at January 10, 2013 09:25 PM (SUKHu)

The best parenting books I've read we're those by James Dobson (the Focus on the Family dude) and a book called "Healthy Sleep Habit, Happy Child." Both addressed different aspects of parenting but the biggest takeaway was the your kids aren't china dolls that will shatter if their every desire is not met immediately and that being consistent in everything is huge. Which should be self-evident and I actually personally bought into these ideas before I read the books. But it was nice seeing those ideas in print instead of the touchy-feely nonsense I've read in other parenting sources.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at January 10, 2013 09:35 PM (qFpRI)

229 Jones, my research says herniated and ruptured are the same thing. It doesn't heal on its own. The gel like fluid between the disc actually leaks out and compresses the nerve causing the pain and numbness.

Posted by: jewells45 at January 10, 2013 09:35 PM (u25eL)

230 222 Ms Radish,

Dear reader will have you and I digging sewage ditches in Kuala Lampur.....

I'll be the guy with the raccoon slippers.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 09:35 PM (LRFds)

231 "It sounds crazy, but in this day, if you show up on time and don't call in sick every other day you can advance quite quickly."

My nephew was a McD's manager while in college. A lot of the young employees don't even call in sick, they just don't show up.
If a young person is capable and dependable they actually do quite well, because they get promoted. There are still a number of kids who are good workers, but there seem to be quite a few, including middle class kids, who are completely useless.

Posted by: nerdygirl at January 10, 2013 09:35 PM (h+wBo)

232 Couple books by Alfie Kohn:

_Unconditional Parenting_: not a perfect book, but food for thought.

He also wrote _Punished by Rewards_.

Sez Amazon: "The basic strategy we use for raising children, teaching students, and managing workers can be summarized in six words: Do this and you'll get that. We dangle goodies (from candy bars to sales commissions) in front of people in much the same way we train the family pet. Drawing on a wealth of psychological research, Alfie Kohn points the way to a more successful strategy based on working with people instead of doing things to them. "Do rewards motivate people?" asks Kohn. "Yes. They motivate people to get rewards." Seasoned with humor and familiar examples, Punished By Rewards presents an argument unsettling to hear but impossible to dismiss."

Again, not perfect books, but if your kids are around people who think they are simple dogs who will drool when the hear the bell, you may want to hear someone who disagrees.

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 10, 2013 09:35 PM (SUKHu)

233 Well.... enough about me. What do you guys think of me?

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 10, 2013 09:35 PM (jucos)

234 I turn 40 sometime this month. Is that old?
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 10, 2013 09:29 PM (JDIKC)


I would call that very young. Of course everthing is relative. I saw the movie when it came out in the '60s. I was in high school. You can do the math.

Posted by: Ronster at January 10, 2013 09:35 PM (JgkPs)

235 Sorry, but I have to say it. I really dislike these kinds of threads.
Posted by: ELKomandante


I can solve your problem.

When you see a celebri-tard thread, just transpose the post into this:

"Open Thread: Why Open Threads Open Thread

Open thread Open thread Open thread Open thread Open thread Open thread Open thread Open thread Open thread Open thread Open thread Open thread Open thread."

There. Happy?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 10, 2013 09:36 PM (djdc7)

236 >>>What about us kids who don't have any talent for anything?

I'm pretty sure that's most of us. Although, a narcissist here, somewhere, is thinking, "Speak for yourself! I'm Special, DAMMIT!"

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 10, 2013 09:36 PM (4Mv1T)

237 *bangs head into nearest bulkhead* Heavy Metal Star Wars. Make it stop.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 10, 2013 09:36 PM (KnIgz)

238 I hate the tropics. Ear Leader will just have to have me shot.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at January 10, 2013 09:37 PM (hO8IJ)

239 I know what to call this generation.The Obama Generation.

Posted by: steevy at January 10, 2013 09:37 PM (9XBK2)

240 >>> Well.... enough about me. What do you guys think of me?

And THAT... made me laugh.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 10, 2013 09:37 PM (4Mv1T)

241 223 RickB223,

I am hoping it pops in the next ten years when i will be resilient enough to fend them off if need be.

Elseways we need an AoSHQ approved safe room....

the bastards will throw a hell of a tantrum

Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 09:37 PM (LRFds)

242 A few of the comments about the inappropriateness of discussing pop culture and celebrities reminds me of the guy who harangued us on one of the ONT's for discussing Dennis Hopper instead of planning our vigilant march on Washington to retake the Republic

Posted by: kbdabear at January 10, 2013 09:38 PM (wwsoB)

243 238 Ms radish,

or you can come colonize Antarctica with me....

Dear reader's buddy Al has a penguin fetish....I'll be the guy with the Donald Duck parka

Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 09:38 PM (LRFds)

244 242 KBDaBear,

yeah....asking conservatives to comment on our "betters" testing their parafin wings constantly like Icarus is a lot to ask....

the march takes care of itself.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 09:39 PM (LRFds)

245 Always figured that if I can't get a job, I'll just move to Japan to become a Deathmatch wrestler, not that I'm a special snowflake but that if I have one decent skill I think it would be hitting fat guys with light tubes.

Posted by: Ed Wood VS Godzilla at January 10, 2013 09:40 PM (obHYs)

246 "Speak for yourself! I'm Special, DAMMIT!"
Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 10, 2013 09:36 PM (4Mv1T)

*****

Reminded me of "Two obese Patty's, special Ross, Lester Meese picking bunions on the Sesame Street Bus".

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 10, 2013 09:40 PM (1OZSU)

247 Reading William Goldman's books on Hollywood shows that this kind of behavior has a decades-long pedigree, especially "the star holds the production hostage once filming starts". Judging by this NYT article, the only professionals on this movie set were the taco cooks in the craft service van.

Speaking of firecrotches......a customer shipped some equipment in for us to repair today, but he failed to mention that it apparently had been installed in the middle of a patch of poison oak. I've got angry red rashes on my arms from carrying the damned thing to the workbench, and I had to throw my shirt away because I could feel the oil leaching through the fabric to my chest. Ugh.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 10, 2013 09:40 PM (KZuD1)

248 I would call that very young. Of course everthing is relative. I saw the movie when it came out in the '60s. I was in high school. You can do the math.
Posted by: Ronster at January 10, 2013 09:35 PM (JgkPs)
---------------------------------------------------------
*Scribbling furiously* 1, 3,..... carry the 6 and, WOW.... you SHOULD be dead by now.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 10, 2013 09:40 PM (jucos)

249 Fair enough, but that's not why I (and others) thought it was
interesting. It was a behind-the-scenes look at the challenges of
casting someone like this, which is a compelling read. We make a lot of
assumptions, so it's great to see what the day to day management
headaches are like.



Most of us also assume that what makes Lohan (and others like her)
so difficult to cast is her reputation and behavior. Sure that's true,
but it's more because companies refuse to insure her. The only reason
she got this chance was because the movie was so low-budget that it
didn't need to be insured. Show's you just how tough the "comeback" is
(even though Hollywood loves it) once your personal life starts circling
the drain.


Now that's an interesting way to put it. I never saw it like that. That point of view makes more sense. I may just be having flashbacks of the 24/7 news coverage of Paris Hilton a few years ago.

I could barely turn on the news back then without seeing something about her. I think it was the pointlessness of the voyeurism that irked me the most. But that was a different day in a different place.

Posted by: ELKomandante at January 10, 2013 09:41 PM (Q0ji5)

250 "Fair enough, but that's not why I (and others) thought it was interesting. It was a behind-the-scenes look at the challenges of casting someone like this, which is a compelling read. We make a lot of assumptions, so it's great to see what the day to day management headaches are like.
Posted by: JohnE."

Also, interesting, JohnE, is the difficulty that someone at the level of Paul Schrader can have doing a movie. To the point where he is reduced to trying to film in a mall, ducking security.

Posted by: nerdygirl at January 10, 2013 09:41 PM (h+wBo)

251 227
Yahoo news proclaiming california budget woes are over:



http://news.yahoo.com/governor-brown-unveil-california-budget-141509838.html



The state controller explaining that the 100 million above forecast
was "the rich" taking their capital gains at the end of the year to
avoid next years taxes. Previously revenues were 800 million behind.



http://www.sco.ca.gov/Files-EO/01-13summary.pdf



The media is complicit.

Posted by: Mr Orwell at January 10, 2013 09:35 PM

Californians should throw that article in the faces of the clown show in Sacramento the next time they tell the voters that another tax hike is being submitted for their approval to cover a 25 billion dollar shortfall, and this is absolutely the last time they'll ask, cross their hearts and hope to die

Posted by: kbdabear at January 10, 2013 09:42 PM (wwsoB)

252
"one particularly bizarre incident when she locked herself in a walk-in closet with her friend and refused to come out prior to shooting a four-way sex scene with three porn stars."





I think there was an episode of "I Love Lucy" where the same thing happened....


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at January 10, 2013 09:42 PM (kdS6q)

253 133
Hell, why should they hire LL when they can just hire Nick Searcy to
play LL? He'll give a more nuanced, convincing performance. Plus, no
worrisome dui's with his beotches to drive him around town.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at January 10, 2013 09:09 PM (wCjkk)

Searcy has a better rack also.

Posted by: MrCaniac at January 10, 2013 09:42 PM (Zd/NW)

254 Sven, keep your dirty old-bastard mittens away from Miss Radish!

Posted by: White Knight at January 10, 2013 09:43 PM (I88Jc)

255 >Posted by: jewells45 at January 10, 2013 09:35 PM (u25eL)

my doctor said my disc got squeezed out of shape and was protruding from the space between the 2 lumbar vertebrae. This caused it to press against the sciatic nerve, resulting in severe pain. He didn't say anything about fluid leaking out. Anyway, the treatment was rest and painkillers.

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 10, 2013 09:43 PM (8sCoq)

256 252 LDC,

man that whacky Dezi what wouldn't he do to avoid INS?

Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 09:43 PM (LRFds)

257 We've raised a generation of Khan Noonien Singhs without the intellect. It's like the Eugenics Wars but if they collected Welfare and didn't want to get off the couch.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 10, 2013 09:43 PM (uhAkr)

258 >>But it was nice seeing those ideas in print instead of the touchy-feely nonsense I've read in other parenting sources.

I'm a weird mix of touchy feely crap and There Will Be Standards.

I guess I'd have to explain it like this: Yes, I'm your mama and will put up with quite a lot of strong emotions and imperfect behavior. But life will be better if you don't drive me crazy. And the rest of the world won't put up with much crap from you, so let's practice how to be civilized.

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 10, 2013 09:44 PM (SUKHu)

259 The Anti-Eugenics War. Breed for the lowest common IQ - room temperature.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 10, 2013 09:44 PM (KnIgz)

260 254 White Knight,

Don't worry I have a chaperone.

Ms Radish needs cheering up for the gulag.

I hope she is doing better than two months ago.

God knows I hope we are all doing better in 4 years.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 09:44 PM (LRFds)

261 Actually the trailer looks kind of fun, but there's no way I'm interested in seeing the finished product. The article is a good read, though.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 10, 2013 09:44 PM (P7hip)

262 Reminded me of "Two obese Patty's, special Ross, Lester Meese picking bunions on the Sesame Street Bus".
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 10, 2013 09:40 PM (1OZSU)
---------------------------------------------------
I am so stealing this.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 10, 2013 09:45 PM (jucos)

263 229
Jones, my research says herniated and ruptured are the same thing. It
doesn't heal on its own. The gel like fluid between the disc actually
leaks out and compresses the nerve causing the pain and numbness.

Posted by: jewells45 at January 10, 2013 09:35 PM (u25eL)

Jewells, does the doc have you doing any extension exercises for your herniated disc?

Posted by: Tami at January 10, 2013 09:45 PM (X6akg)

264 259 Ms puma,

Quite.

The self proclaimed beautiful elites have the extras from idiocracy breeding us into oblivion and importing mexico's version for a safety margin.

ELECTROLYTES!

Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 09:45 PM (LRFds)

265 >>>rest and painkillers.

AoS HQ, and adult beverages. Does that count? I'm in!

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 10, 2013 09:45 PM (4Mv1T)

266 I'm glad your outcome was good Jones and didn't require surgery. I wish that was my case but my primary doc seemed pretty certain that surgery is my only option. But who knows.. this guy I will be seeing may have other options. Believe me, I don't want to go under the knife!

Posted by: jewells45 at January 10, 2013 09:46 PM (u25eL)

267 Brawndo has what Plant's Crave!!!!!

Posted by: Frito Sanchez at January 10, 2013 09:46 PM (obHYs)

268 *Scribbling furiously* 1, 3,..... carry the 6 and, WOW.... you SHOULD be dead by now.
Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 10, 2013 09:40 PM (jucos)


That gave me a good laugh. Actually it was the late '50s. Now you must recalcute.

Posted by: Ronster at January 10, 2013 09:46 PM (JgkPs)

269 Tami.. no. I have only seen my primary care doctor so far.

Posted by: jewells45 at January 10, 2013 09:47 PM (u25eL)

270 Also, interesting, JohnE, is the difficulty that someone at the level of Paul Schrader can have doing a movie. To the point where he is reduced to trying to film in a mall, ducking security.

----

Yeah, I thought that as well. "How can it be this hard to get funding when you have all these connections?' I mean, Steven Soderbergh offered to cut it after filming.

And then I saw the trailer (posted above) and it all made sense.

Posted by: JohnE. at January 10, 2013 09:47 PM (nRTou)

271 @242 Wouldn't Hopper have led the parade on a hard-tail, holding the colors high?

Posted by: Thorvald at January 10, 2013 09:48 PM (1V6Pv)

272 I have heard the name but I can't name a movie I have watched with Lohan. I don't care about the entertainment industry. They are like the media, most love TFG and I couldn't care less about most of them.
I do like Clint Eastwood.

Posted by: CarolT at January 10, 2013 09:48 PM (z4WKX)

273 :::You can do the math. :::

Heh. Right.





Umm, just for the sake of argument, let's say I *couldn't* do the math...

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 10, 2013 09:48 PM (JDIKC)

274 269
Tami.. no. I have only seen my primary care doctor so far.

Posted by: jewells45 at January 10, 2013 09:47 PM (u25eL)


Who is the other doc you're going to see?

Posted by: Tami at January 10, 2013 09:48 PM (X6akg)

275 247
Reading William Goldman's books on Hollywood shows that this kind of
behavior has a decades-long pedigree, especially "the star holds the
production hostage once filming starts". Judging by this NYT article,
the only professionals on this movie set were the taco cooks in the
craft service van.





Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 10, 2013 09:40 PM

Back in the 30s and 40s, the studio bosses owned the studios and held absolute power. If a star got too big for his britches, a call to Luella Parsons about that scandalous gossip she's been sitting on was enough to keep the egos in line.

Now, the studios are owned by megacorporations and it doesn't matter if a star blows up a school bus as long as the cash flow keeps rolling in

Posted by: kbdabear at January 10, 2013 09:49 PM (wwsoB)

276 257 Bevel L,

and they are being crafted into this on purpose.

My son is fairly bright in reading and base science, not gifted at writing and totally average in Math but because he entered school reading they convinced him he is a genius and you have to drag him to study.

When he finally had to face the music it was horrible to watch but he is working his way through what i had to face at about his age.

You should thank the lord, your parents, and fate for the things you ARE gifted at figure out what you really need from the things you are not and work like hell to start your life after school.

Neither he nor I will ever live the OW$ lifestyle of going to the Ivy League for 6 years to learn to taste wine and wondering why I can't grab 6 figures.

Hell isn't that in itself "a gift"?

Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 09:49 PM (LRFds)

277 Christopher Lasch's "Culture of Narcissism," though 30+ yrs old, is still worth the read.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 10, 2013 09:50 PM (C8mVl)

278 >I'm glad your outcome was good Jones and didn't require surgery. I wish
that was my case but my primary doc seemed pretty certain that surgery
is my only option.


maybe my injury wasn't as serious as yours. But for about 2 weeks, whenever I tried to walk, it felt like the right side of my body from the waist down was being crushed under an enormous weight

I hope things go well for you

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 10, 2013 09:50 PM (8sCoq)

279 Can someone help me out with a serious question? I heard a rumor that Nick Searcy was Professor Roy Hinkley on the original Gilligan's Island, but under an assumed name. Is that true?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 10, 2013 09:50 PM (1OZSU)

280 He's a neurosurgeon in Kansas.He did did my co-workers back surgery years ago for the same thing and he raved about him. I have read every review I could find on the internet and they are all good. Dr. Striebinger I think.. would have to check my spelling on that.

Posted by: jewells45 at January 10, 2013 09:51 PM (u25eL)

281 266 jewell 45,

get a 2d opinion but in the end listen to your body.

One can endure a rupture and reclaim a high % of the mobility in SOME cases, but you are gambling with legacy damage and relapse at that point.

<---not an MD just beat up.

all the best you were missed I am glad you are back.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 09:51 PM (LRFds)

282 Yeah, I thought that as well. "How can it be this
hard to get funding when you have all these connections?' I mean,
Steven Soderbergh offered to cut it after filming.



And then I saw the trailer (posted above) and it all made sense.

Posted by: JohnE. at January 10, 2013 09:47 PM

In the article Shrader says "what would Soderberg say if someone wanted to take one of his movies for 72 hours for editing?"

The difference is, Soderberg still makes the big money and has George Clooney for a business partner. When you have to sneak around in a mall with a hand held camera, you don't have the "juice" to tell a guy who might help you to go fuck himself.

Posted by: kbdabear at January 10, 2013 09:52 PM (wwsoB)

283 Thank you Jones.

Posted by: jewells45 at January 10, 2013 09:52 PM (u25eL)

284 258 >>But it was nice seeing those ideas in print instead of the touchy-feely nonsense I've read in other parenting sources.

I'm a weird mix of touchy feely crap and There Will Be Standards.

I guess I'd have to explain it like this: Yes, I'm your mama and will put up with quite a lot of strong emotions and imperfect behavior. But life will be better if you don't drive me crazy. And the rest of the world won't put up with much crap from you, so let's practice how to be civilized.
Posted by: Mama AJ at January 10, 2013 09:44 PM (SUKHu)

Yeah, that's about where I am, too. Though I think of touchy-feely as the parents who are so afraid of harming their child's self-esteem that they are terrified of saying no to them. And the ones where the kids are the center of the familial universe and are allowed to know it. My kids are pretty darned important in my little world, but I do my darnedest to let them know they are not the only people in this family that matter and no we will not be doing every little thing you want at all times.

But I know lots of folks whose lives are about absolutely nothing but the kids being happy, happy, happy, fun, fun, fun every waking second of the day and that's a bit ridiculous, IMO. Those children will grow up having a very unrealistic idea of what life is like and are going to be very distraught the first time someone tells them that there are a lot of things you have to do in life that are not happy and fun and to suck it up and get on with it. KWIM?

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at January 10, 2013 09:53 PM (qFpRI)

285 Well if anyone does not want to talk about LL, there is always this 43 minute documentary on the making of Stanley Kubrick's 2001: A Space Odyssey.

http://youtu.be/BCQT6GOO4zU

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 10, 2013 09:53 PM (KnIgz)

286 I like the song "We are Young", but the first time I saw the music video I noted the nihilistic aspect of good kids who have done what was expected by their Progressive uberculture and are still nowhere. So, they just drink.

Posted by: H. at January 10, 2013 09:53 PM (bZQi9)

287 Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 10, 2013 09:50 PM (1OZSU)
----------------------------------------------------
No. Actually Nick Searcy played the "lost japanese soldier from WWII" while Brian Dennehy played the Island. Nick Searcy had a real talent for saying 'Girrigan'.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 10, 2013 09:54 PM (jucos)

288 Participation trophies and all that shit is just the new norm . Back when I was in college, Division I football teams that went to a bowl game got a watch. Granted, there were about 12-15 bowls back then, so it was sort of a big thing. Only the "National Champions" got rings. This past fall I went back to my college for homecoming and saw one of my college friends. His son graduated last year, and the football team had won the conference championship last year. We won the conference championship when I was in school and got bupkis. His son showed me his nice. big championship ring. Division III conference championship ring.

Posted by: MrCaniac at January 10, 2013 09:55 PM (Zd/NW)

289 280
He's a neurosurgeon in Kansas.He did did my co-workers back surgery
years ago for the same thing and he raved about him. I have read every
review I could find on the internet and they are all good. Dr.
Striebinger I think.. would have to check my spelling on that.

Posted by: jewells45 at January 10, 2013 09:51 PM (u25eL)


Have you already tried a cortisone injection?
Extension exercises help push the disc back into place.

Instead of me explaining, watch this video. They really do help. It's also best to do the first exercise first thing in the morning, while in bed. Your disc is the most swollen then.

http://tinyurl.com/bjy8e8w

Posted by: Tami at January 10, 2013 09:55 PM (X6akg)

290 Now, the studios are owned by megacorporations and
it doesn't matter if a star blows up a school bus as long as the cash
flow keeps rolling in



Posted by: kbdabear at January 10, 2013 09:49 PM (wwsoB)



Yup. Movie studios are pretty much all just another division of SuperMegaCorp and the CFO doesn't give a shit so long as you hit your numbers. Oh and hey make sure you skew it for the foreign market because that's where the money is.


Tyler Perry may be an egotistical jackass but he's brilliant in keeping control of his movies with his own studio and production company.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. We're not worthy. at January 10, 2013 09:55 PM (Gk3SS)

291 285 Ms Puma,

I am waiting for RedLetter media to reverse engineer some of the classics.

The Monkey scene....you see that monkey in the lower right hand corner looking somewhat confused but as pissed as the others?

That is the first democrat pissed he did not pick up the bone.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 09:55 PM (LRFds)

292 My kids 11 and 12 get participation trophies but they also have won things (swim meets, football championships, etc) and they couldn't give a shit about the ones they didn't earn. Once kids get rewarded for actually achieving, they stop caring about the "participation awards"

Posted by: Timon at January 10, 2013 09:56 PM (hHlaS)

293 Thank you sven. I will get another opinion. But right now this is my life. I cannot walk more than 30 or 40 feet without severe back and leg pain. I can't sleep at night except in one position. Once I am off the prednisone, it's on to painkillers. I'm only 58. I can't live like this.

Posted by: jewells45 at January 10, 2013 09:56 PM (u25eL)

294
I love playing board games with my nephews, Chess with the older one, Connect 4 and now chess with the younger one. Whenever we play, they get my full attention and I refuse to lose to them just to help their self-esteem.

The oldest one used to be a sore loser but he's never beaten me in a game of Chess. I teach him, we'll analyze the games and I tell him that the day he finally beats me will be one of the happiest days of my life. I also tell him that I'm going to practise to stay ahead of him and he's going to earn that victory. And my goal is to keep my victory streak alive into his 50s.

The young one once beat me twice in a row in Connect 4. He looked at me incredulously and asked "Did you let me win?" No, he won fair and square and he remembers those victories.

Posted by: Stateless_Infidel at January 10, 2013 09:57 PM (AC0lD)

295 Everything and nothing means stalling.

Posted by: Duality at January 10, 2013 09:57 PM (I88Jc)

296 Oh shit, 90 seconds of my life were wasted watching that trailer of "The Canyons"

It makes the works of Ed Wood look like Citizen Kane


Posted by: kbdabear at January 10, 2013 09:57 PM (wwsoB)

297 When the narcissism bubble pops, then we're going to see the real Bad Shit.

Think the Cult of Obama is bad? I expect a genuine cult leader as President in the next couple of decades. If we're LUCKY it will be the pseudo-Christian theocracy that liberals have been wetting the bed about since Heinlein wrote "If This Goes On" -- but the decline in Christianity and the seething, active hatred of it among liberals makes me fear it'll be much, much worse. Maybe political Islam will sweep the OWS crowd. Maybe some new L.Ron Hubbard will create a cult which isn't so self-evidently bogus. Or maybe it'll be something brand-new. Some "movement" which doesn't look like a religion but fills that hole in the national soul.

Posted by: Trimegistus at January 10, 2013 09:57 PM (OPuqq)

298 293 jewell 45,

That sucks, the good news is the surgery and recovery phase is WAY improved the last 20 years.

The bad news is you are in a valley of suck and the road must seem daunting.

I'll pray for your recovery.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 09:57 PM (LRFds)

299 I blame MTV's Real World. That was the first fucking step into the Canyon.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at January 10, 2013 09:57 PM (dvRYt)

300 287 Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 10, 2013 09:50 PM (1OZSU) ---------------------------------------------------- No. Actually Nick Searcy played the "lost japanese soldier from WWII" while Brian Dennehy played the Island. Nick Searcy had a real talent for saying 'Girrigan'.
Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 10, 2013 09:54 PM (jucos)

*****

Okay- that helps. I thought Brian Dennehy played the mole on Ginger's face. Thanks for putting me straight.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 10, 2013 09:57 PM (1OZSU)

301
The Movers and Shakers of Society have done two things: They've rushed children to grow up, exposing them to adulthood far too soon, without showing them maturity.

And they've feminized the culture. All children are so special, they can do no wrong. The unfortunate kids have grown up with a mother that always says "yes" to their every desire, no matter how ridiculous and minimized the father figure that would have told them "no" for a very good reason.

It's no wonder we are basically a nation of spoiled-rotten, immature brats who refuse to acknowledge reality. We're going to pay the price for this stupidity for quite a while.

And don't get me started on the "ignoring God" part.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 10, 2013 09:58 PM (yiIja)

302 What about us kids who don't have any talent for anything?
Posted by: HeatherRadish™, Crankypants Extraordinaire at January 10, 2013 09:33 PM (hO8IJ)


Having visited your site, I know you have talent. If I need an embroidered speedo I know exactly where to go.

Posted by: Ronster at January 10, 2013 09:59 PM (JgkPs)

303 I saw John Rosemond speak about child discipline. He RULES.

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 10, 2013 09:59 PM (MPjT8)

304 One thing you can say about ole Joe. The hair plugs are not working.

You still look like an ole fart with a comb over.

Oh, and Joe, you ole plagiarizing fool, you are STILL not the smartest guy in the room, unless you are visiting a prison.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectual at January 10, 2013 10:00 PM (tWFaN)

305 Okay- that helps. I thought Brian Dennehy played the mole on Ginger's face. Thanks for putting me straight.
Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 10, 2013 09:57 PM (1OZSU)
---------------------------------------------------------
You should have seen the one on her inner thigh. It had hair on it!

Posted by: Maryanne at January 10, 2013 10:00 PM (jucos)

306 Well, now that you're in earshot. no
Posted by: Beto at January 10, 2013 09:13 PM (BAnPT)

I thought this thread already established that Voices Carry.

Posted by: madamex at January 10, 2013 10:00 PM (1zsKV)

307 Sven, what is going on in that furry brain case is, "I coulda ben'a kontenda'

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 10, 2013 10:00 PM (KnIgz)

308 Didn't Schrader play the mini piano on the Peanuts Cartoons? Is he now making movies?

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 10, 2013 10:02 PM (jucos)

309 307 MS Puma,

You didn't smash that....it was smashed for you!

//Dear Reader Version .01

Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 10:02 PM (LRFds)

310 A couple of weeks back my daughter asked me "How come you never say anything nice about what I do?"

I told her I don't give out participation trophies. When I say she's done well, she'll know it's true.

Posted by: Trimegistus at January 10, 2013 10:02 PM (OPuqq)

311 >>Those children will grow up having a very unrealistic idea of what life is like and are going to be very distraught the first time someone tells them that there are a lot of things you have to do in life that are not happy and fun and to suck it up and get on with it.

I've never understood that.

My oldest is a fussy eater. Seriously small list of foods he likes. I've been flexible with him when I could and very clear that there are times he needs to put up and deal with the choices that are available.

He's 12 and has noticed lately that kids meals are for 12 and under. He's now trying new things and accepting that he can't have nuggets at every restaurant we go to!

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 10, 2013 10:02 PM (SUKHu)

312 Posted by: jewells45 at January 10, 2013 09:56 PM (u25eL)

What part of the country do you call home?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 10, 2013 10:03 PM (GsoHv)

313 Tami.. the way it was explained to me was the gel-like substance that usually sits between the discs has leaked out and is pressing against the nerve. The only resolution is surgery. I don't know what they do with the substance that has leaked out. But it can't go back. Like putting toothpaste back in the tube. But this was my primary doctor. The specialist may indeed have a better way to deal with it. Epidurals have not helped.

Posted by: jewells45 at January 10, 2013 10:03 PM (u25eL)

314 The Anti-Eugenics War. Breed for the lowest common IQ - room temperature.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 10, 2013 09:44 PM (KnIgz)


Celsius or Fahrenheit?

Posted by: The Political Hat (prefers Rankin scale...) at January 10, 2013 10:03 PM (Vk2pI)

315 263
229

Jones, my research says herniated and ruptured are the same thing. It

doesn't heal on its own. The gel like fluid between the disc actually

leaks out and compresses the nerve causing the pain and numbness.



Posted by: jewells45 at January 10, 2013 09:35 PM (u25eL)

Jewells, does the doc have you doing any extension exercises for your herniated disc?


Posted by: Tami at January 10, 2013 09:45 PM (X6akg)

Sometimes the docs will say "herniated/ruptured disc" when they mean "bulging disc". I had the herniated in my lumbar region 9 years ago, and my neurosurgeon said that the explanation of it was like a jelly donut that has been squished and the jelly coming out is what they cut away. The bulging disc is the disc being compressed into the nerve. I have a bulging disc in my neck, and the treatment for it is an anti-inflammatory and muscle relaxer. The docs think once the swelling goes down, scar tissue will develop on the disc and make it harder for it to bulge again.
Hope you can get away without having the surgery, but when I had mine done, I was pain free for the first time in years.

Posted by: MrCaniac at January 10, 2013 10:04 PM (Zd/NW)

316 310 Trimegistus,

tell her "I am preparing you for a hard world when I can't pick you up."

Then show her a documentary on 80% of the planet's population's standard of living.

You sound like you get it in spades.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 10:04 PM (LRFds)

317 I've seen 2001 many times, including earlier this week. I'm beginning to understand it.

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 10, 2013 10:05 PM (8sCoq)

318 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 10, 2013 09:53 PM (KnIgz)

Knitting needle? Meet eyes.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 10, 2013 10:05 PM (GsoHv)

319 CBD-- Kansas City, MO.

Posted by: jewells45 at January 10, 2013 10:05 PM (u25eL)

320 A couple of weeks back my daughter asked me "How come you never say anything nice about what I do?" I told her I don't give out participation trophies. When I say she's done well, she'll know it's true.
Posted by: Trimegistus at January 10, 2013 10:02 PM (OPuqq)


Been there, done that. I told my daughter that you cannot expect praise for doing what is expected and I expect alot.

Posted by: Ronster at January 10, 2013 10:05 PM (JgkPs)

321 TPH, not Kelvin of course. I am a generous person so Fahrenheit.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 10, 2013 10:06 PM (KnIgz)

322 314 Hat,

Celsius lately....probably fahrenheit when I was a kid.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 10:06 PM (LRFds)

323 @242 - that's almost as bad as the thread where somebody didn't appreciate the horde discussing longbows vs crossbows.

Wait, forget I said anything.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 10, 2013 10:06 PM (xKC/c)

324 I found the article about the narcissistic generation to be very accurate and depressing. I also found VDH's hipster piece to be depressing today as well. Or all the depression could be because of all the diet soft drinks I ingest.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at January 10, 2013 10:06 PM (RZ8pf)

325 "You live better than 99% of people throughout history so stop complaining and be thankful."

--Stuff Mama Says At Least Weekly

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 10, 2013 10:06 PM (SUKHu)

326 317 Jones in CO,


play it backwards....you'll understand the modern era better.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 10:06 PM (LRFds)

327 "I've seen 2001 many times, including earlier this week. I'm beginning to understand it."

Mwahahaha!

Posted by: Hershey's Bar at January 10, 2013 10:07 PM (I88Jc)

328 Posted by: Mama AJ at January 10, 2013 10:02 PM (SUKHu)

Same exact issue with my oldest. I'm pretty flexible with breakfast and lunch, as that's mostly food he likes anyway. But dinner is dinner. I make one meal. Now, I do make sure that at least one thing on the table is something he will eat, so he's not gonna starve. But I am acquainted with a family that makes two separate meals every time they sit down, one for the parents and one for the kids. I'm just not doing that mess.

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at January 10, 2013 10:07 PM (qFpRI)

329 >Or all the depression could be because of all the diet soft drinks I ingest.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at January 10, 2013 10:06 PM (RZ8pf)

what's your poison? I'm pounding 3 or 4 Diet Cokes a day- probably not good for me

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 10, 2013 10:08 PM (8sCoq)

330 I have twice had a herniated disk.

In both cases surgery fixed the problem.

It was quick and easy (for me) and the pain vanished like a vampire at dawn.

Posted by: eman at January 10, 2013 10:08 PM (LSEjI)

331 317 I've seen 2001 many times, including earlier this week. I'm beginning to understand it.
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 10, 2013 10:05 PM (8sCoq)


*****

Wow, that's a lot of times. What was the name of the movie?

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 10, 2013 10:08 PM (1OZSU)

332 313
Tami.. the way it was explained to me was the gel-like substance that
usually sits between the discs has leaked out and is pressing against
the nerve. The only resolution is surgery. I don't know what they do
with the substance that has leaked out. But it can't go back. Like
putting toothpaste back in the tube. But this was my primary doctor. The
specialist may indeed have a better way to deal with it. Epidurals have
not helped.

Posted by: jewells45 at January 10, 2013 10:03 PM (u25eL)


The disc holds the gel-like substance. The disc has moved out of alignment (that's the 'leak') between the vertebra and is pressing against the nerves. The extension exercises help push the disc back into it's correct position.

Posted by: Tami at January 10, 2013 10:08 PM (X6akg)

333 Bulging disc and herniated (or ruptured) disc are two different things. I have 3 bulging discs (L2,3 and 4) and the ruptured one is L5. The one causing the pain and numbness is the L5. He's the bad boy.

Posted by: jewells45 at January 10, 2013 10:08 PM (u25eL)

334 PGiS!

Hey there ma'am!

I am a recovering Tab junkie...switch to tea you'll be happier

Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 10:09 PM (LRFds)

335 257 We've raised a generation of Khan Noonien Singhs without the intellect. It's like the Eugenics Wars but if they collected Welfare and didn't want to get off the couch

Yup. While flipping channels between Bill Maher and The Daily Show.

Posted by: Wonkish Rogue at January 10, 2013 10:09 PM (dvRYt)

336 It helps to understand the significance of the TMA1

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 10, 2013 10:09 PM (8sCoq)

337 Jones in CO if you truly grok 2001. Um wow dude.

I guess CBD never liked 2001? How about 2010? And if you are willing to divulge, reason for the dislike. Please?

This reminds me of talk this morning with MPPP over Metropolis. A difference if Rotwang actually called the Man-Machine Hel. Guess should watch that scene to see who is correct.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 10, 2013 10:09 PM (KnIgz)

338 325 "You live better than 99% of people throughout history so stop complaining and be thankful."

--Stuff Mama Says At Least Weekly
Posted by: Mama AJ at January 10, 2013 10:06 PM (SUKHu)

Me, too! Another favorite of mine is, "Life is not fair."

Posted by: Mandy P., lurking lurker who lurks at January 10, 2013 10:09 PM (qFpRI)

339 > I have 3 bulging discs (L2,3 and 4) and the ruptured one is L5.

Good Lord- did you try to pick up a car or something?

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 10, 2013 10:10 PM (8sCoq)

340
Back in the 30s and 40s, the studio bosses owned
the studios and held absolute power. If a star got too big for his
britches, a call to Luella Parsons about that scandalous gossip she's
been sitting on was enough to keep the egos in line.

Now, the
studios are owned by megacorporations and it doesn't matter if a star
blows up a school bus as long as the cash flow keeps rolling in



Posted by: kbdabear at January 10, 2013 09:49 PM (wwsoB)

Now days the studio bosses would give Parsons the gossip. I still remember that Billy Crystal movie in which he plays a PR guy for a movie, and all he does is feed embarrassing shit to the media.

Posted by: MrCaniac at January 10, 2013 10:10 PM (Zd/NW)

341 wtf is grok

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 10, 2013 10:10 PM (8sCoq)

342 Speaking of hernias:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8Ow1nlafOg

Posted by: The Political Hat (prefers Rankin scale...) at January 10, 2013 10:10 PM (Vk2pI)

343 Oh, the sidebar article about the kids who have followers and count their views on YouTube cracked me up...my kid has made a couple videos and is thrilled that dozens of people have watched them. Then I made a video of Chik fil A Appreciation Day which got posted atLegal Insurrection(in a long post of pics and vids) and I got 800 views.

I think he's still pissed...

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 10, 2013 10:10 PM (SUKHu)

344 What about TMA2?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 10, 2013 10:11 PM (KnIgz)

345 >>>L.Ron Hubbard will create a cult

His book, "Dianetics" was advertised on TV back in the 80s. The ads illustrated how the book answered all of life's common, yet vexing. questions... so I bought it.

About four pages in I realized what utter bullshit doubletalk it was. The next day I used the book to put under the kickstand of my Harley in the dinging room so it wouldn't mark the carpet.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 10, 2013 10:11 PM (4Mv1T)

346 wtf is grok

Spock's retarded cousin?

Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 10, 2013 10:11 PM (xKC/c)

347 341 Jones in CO,

grasp, understand...

it is old old alt.rec jargon

Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 10:11 PM (LRFds)

348 Okay I wasn't around for the longbow/crossbow thread (before I found this great site).. but this disc discussion is turning into the same thing, from what I understand. LOL-- no worries guys. I will do the right thing.

Posted by: jewells45 at January 10, 2013 10:12 PM (u25eL)

349 wtf is grok
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 10, 2013 10:10 PM (8sCoq)


See: Heinlein.

Posted by: eman at January 10, 2013 10:12 PM (LSEjI)

350 Is this the ONT? I was told there would be an ONT, but I see Ace is on a roll today. This is what sucks about working, I miss all this daytime shit.

Posted by: Peaches, Pats fan for life at January 10, 2013 10:12 PM (kpCLl)

351 Reading the article you kind of get the feeling that the movie was done by a bunch of narcissists that everyone hates and they haven't got a clue. The screenwriter is apparently a tweetaholic that hasn't had anything worthwhile but sounds convinced of his greatness. The director also sounds like he truly lacks any real clout but so certain that he can handle Lohan without problems. And Lohan is truly clueless to her fading star power when you read the part about her reading through the script and crossing off names for other actors.

Posted by: buzzion at January 10, 2013 10:12 PM (GULKT)

352 To grok is from Robert Heinlein. But Sven does grok it.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 10, 2013 10:12 PM (KnIgz)

353 301- " The Movers and Shakers of Society have done two things: They've rushed children to grow up, exposing them to adulthood far too soon, without showing them maturity."

This. The culture of perpetual adolescence, with an increasingly early onset. Childhood recedes, as does adulthood.


Posted by: Margarita DeVille at January 10, 2013 10:12 PM (C8mVl)

354 >
Okay I wasn't around for the longbow/crossbow thread (before I found
this great site).. but this disc discussion is turning into the same
thing, from what I understand.


We're just waiting for ONT to come out of the oven. Then it has to cool a bit.

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 10, 2013 10:13 PM (8sCoq)

355 LOL Jones.. No. It's all caused by arthritis.

Posted by: jewells45 at January 10, 2013 10:13 PM (u25eL)

356 350 peaches,

dunno maet had one last evening but said that was b/c a biz trip CANXd on him.

I can imagine the cheesecake and kitty pics in a jam

Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 10:13 PM (LRFds)

357 Here's the thing about surgeons and asking their opinion on whether you need surgery. We always say at my clinic-

"If you ask a barber, he's gonna tell you that you need a haircut."

If a surgeon tells you you don't need surgery, that's probably good advice. If a surgeon tells you you need surgery, get a second opinion.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 10, 2013 10:13 PM (1OZSU)

358 Posted by: jewells45 at January 10, 2013 10:05 PM (u25eL)

You are within a few hours (driving or flying) of some great neurosurgery departments.

It is ridiculous that you are in this much pain. And I speak from experience. L3-L4 disc that herniated in 1996, then resolved until 2004. I was operated on at The Lahey Clinic (outside of Boston) and have been 99% pain free since then. And what little pain I occasionally have is nothing...NOTHING compared to what it was.

Start at a prestigious medical school and go from there. Find an excellent neurosurgeon and get a consultation, and then get this fixed. U of Michigan is famous for their surgical department, but I am sure that U of Chicago is pretty good too. Do your research, find a scholar, and get it fixed!

If you want my surgeon's name ( I think he may be retired, but his department was great), e-mail me at nynjmeet at optimum dot net

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 10, 2013 10:14 PM (GsoHv)

359 {{{{{jewells!!!}}}}}

Posted by: Peaches, Pats fan for life at January 10, 2013 10:14 PM (kpCLl)

360 Piping fresh ONT with that yummy fresh bread smell.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 10, 2013 10:14 PM (KnIgz)

361 351 Buzzion,

in the case of the screenwriter it is worse....

he showed promise in a field and shunned it to "show I am even better at something totally different!"

American Psycho was well done, but it reminds me of Chuck P of fight club fame....

yeah stay inside the lines sonny

Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 10:15 PM (LRFds)

362 "Piping fresh ONT with that yummy fresh bread smell."

Those carbs will kill ya. Can I offer you a slice of heaven?

Posted by: Hershey's, um diet, Bar at January 10, 2013 10:15 PM (I88Jc)

363 If a surgeon tells you you don't need surgery,
that's probably good advice. If a surgeon tells you you need surgery,
get a second opinion.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 10, 2013 10:13 PM (1OZSU)

Good point. But discs are tough, because they can't visualize the entire thing from the MRI. Sometimes it is much worse than it shows on the scan.

But....a second opinion is a good idea no matter what.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 10, 2013 10:16 PM (GsoHv)

364 Also, interesting, JohnE, is the difficulty that someone at the level of Paul Schrader can have doing a movie. To the point where he is reduced to trying to film in a mall, ducking security.

----

Yeah, I thought that as well. "How can it be this hard to get funding when you have all these connections?' I mean, Steven Soderbergh offered to cut it after filming.

And then I saw the trailer (posted above) and it all made sense.
Posted by: JohnE. at January 10, 2013 09:47 PM (nRTou)






Did you notice that when Schrader and Ellis were discussing making a movie together, they talked about everything except HAVING AN INTERESTING STORY TO TELL. What kind of idiot would invest in a Schrader/Ellis movie that doesn't tell a frickin' story?

If they were smart, they'd have gone the Uwe Boll route and marketed their film to German industrialists as a tax dodge that was MEANT to lose shitloads of money so they could reduce their investors' tax liability. But no, that would mean that they'd have to lose the "artiste" affectation and become an evil, mercenary-minded capitalist with a Panaflex.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 10, 2013 10:16 PM (KZuD1)

365 Kids learn things from their friends and acquaintances, too. If you want to keep them on the straight and narrow, you kind of have to know who their friends are,and whether there's a pentagram in the floor tiles at Susie's (as there so often is, in some zip codes). Tying off, cooking, and shooting up, that whole business with 'rock' and the pipe, etc., I mean it's not exactly self-explanatory.
If they know anyone who 'setxts', that's a bad sign. The rot, if any, can start really, really early these days. It's like there's no free zone. “The condition upon which God hath given liberty [and children] to man is eternal vigilance”. --Lord Curran, Lord Mayor of Dublin, 1790.
(No, I wasn't a "hover" dad. Christian school helped a lot. That, and living in the country.)

Posted by: Thorvald at January 10, 2013 10:16 PM (1V6Pv)

366 Piping fresh ONT with that yummy fresh bread smell.


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 10, 2013 10:14 PM (KnIgz)
Okay, you made me look . . . I'm a suckah. What happened with the job, girl? You and jewells and, of course, Tammy, have been in my pitiful prayers.

Posted by: Peaches, Pats fan for life at January 10, 2013 10:16 PM (kpCLl)

367 diet coke, to answer Jones.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at January 10, 2013 10:17 PM (RZ8pf)

368 367 PGiS,

ma'am you may try the SodaStream and see if the alteration of sweeteners and lack of HFC helps...

better days are coming

Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 10:18 PM (LRFds)

369 Actually I still drive my mother crazy. She is 100% Sicilian and she looks at me as if I am an ET because I skip the buttered bread to concentrate on her spaghetti with home made red sauce and home made meatballs. Bread is for sammiches and po-boys.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 10, 2013 10:18 PM (KnIgz)

370 Kids learn things from their friends and acquaintances, too. If you want to keep them on the straight and narrow, you kind of have to know who their friends are,and whether there's a pentagram in the floor tiles at Susie's (as there so often is, in some zip codes).

Posted by: Thorvald at January 10, 2013 10:16 PM (1V6Pv)


Ugh, such bigotry!

Come on kids, it's time for the blood orgy!

Posted by: Susie's other mommy at January 10, 2013 10:19 PM (Vk2pI)

371 to cheer everyone up....I have strange hobbies....

NTSB Theater presents:

http://youtu.be/rXWcVOTH1Iw

Seconds From Disaster - S01E06 - Wreck of the Sunset Limited

Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 10:19 PM (LRFds)

372 Not sure, but I think I read today something about Tommy Terrific not being up to par for the up coming game.

Posted by: Ronster at January 10, 2013 10:19 PM (JgkPs)

373 It makes the works of Ed Wood look like Citizen Kane


Posted by: kbdabear at January 10, 2013 09:57 PM (wwsoB)

Uncultured barbarian. Glen or Glenda is a masterpiece.

Posted by: Ed Wood VS Godzilla at January 10, 2013 10:19 PM (obHYs)

374 Peaches right now finessing the resume to match what the company is looking for. So some things while nice will be dropped.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 10, 2013 10:19 PM (KnIgz)

375 >>>Bread is for sammiches and po-boys.

and mopping up leftover red sauce.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 10, 2013 10:19 PM (4Mv1T)

376 Hi Peaches!! Hugs to you too!

Posted by: jewells45 at January 10, 2013 10:20 PM (u25eL)

377 369 Ms Puma,

ah explains a lot.....

It's amazing what people call "pizza" eh?

Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 10:20 PM (LRFds)

378

Odd Couple is on.

It's the epiode when Felix and Oscar become Big Brothers to little Clint Howard

Posted by: soothsayer at January 10, 2013 10:20 PM (3Aqe5)

379 333
Bulging disc and herniated (or ruptured) disc are two different things. I
have 3 bulging discs (L2,3 and 4) and the ruptured one is L5. The one
causing the pain and numbness is the L5. He's the bad boy.

Posted by: jewells45 at January 10, 2013 10:08 PM (u25eL)


They're all the same. The L5 is bad because it has pushed it's way out and is pressing against nerves.

Posted by: Tami at January 10, 2013 10:20 PM (X6akg)

380 If they were smart, they'd have gone the Uwe Boll route and marketed their film to German industrialists as a tax dodge that was MEANT to lose shitloads of money so they could reduce their investors' tax liability. But no, that would mean that they'd have to lose the "artiste" affectation and become an evil, mercenary-minded capitalist with a Panaflex.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at January 10, 2013 10:16 PM (KZuD1)


I think the German industrialists that fund Uwe Boll films have too much integrity to fund a movie like The Canyons.

Posted by: buzzion at January 10, 2013 10:20 PM (GULKT)

381 Actually I still drive my mother crazy. She is 100% Sicilian and she looks at me as if I am an ET because I skip the buttered bread to concentrate on her spaghetti with home made red sauce and home made meatballs. Bread is for sammiches and po-boys.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 10, 2013 10:18 PM (KnIgz)

OMG, real Italian. I know, Sicilian. That's real food. I hope you have recipes.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 10, 2013 10:21 PM (l86i3)

382 I've seen 2001 many times, including earlier this week. I'm beginning to understand it.

I watched the original Kubric one again a few months ago. It didn't age well at all.

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 10, 2013 10:21 PM (BNacf)

383 @371 er, Sven, you offer a train wreck vid?

Posted by: Thorvald at January 10, 2013 10:22 PM (1V6Pv)

384 Not sure, but I think I read today something about Tommy Terrific not being up to par for the up coming game.

Posted by: Ronster at January 10, 2013 10:19 PM (JgkPs)
Go fuck yaself, eh? Did you see what he did to the Texans last time? Hilarious!!!

Posted by: Peaches, Pats fan for life at January 10, 2013 10:22 PM (kpCLl)

385 380 Buzzion,

and that folks is the AoSHQ 'nailed it one take" take of the night....

I'm sven10077 saying "be safe don't drink and park accidents cause people"

Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 10:22 PM (LRFds)

386 By the power (not) vested in me, I declare THIS, the ONT, and AoS Back Clinic.

Posted by: Tobacco Road at January 10, 2013 10:22 PM (4Mv1T)

387 Tobacco Road. If there is red sauce left over. Someone drowned their pasta.

Sven. Besides the longbow/crossbow thing discussion of what is real pizza will get the Horde all riled up. Now me, I can not stand the taste of Papa John's because their pizza sauce tastes far too sweet.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 10, 2013 10:23 PM (KnIgz)

388 383 Thorvald,

I worked in logistics and have studied NTSB safety analysis since the '80s.

I watch such things to remind myself of margins of error and to keep my eye on the ball.

No commentary on Slo Joe's Train fetish honest injun.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 10:23 PM (LRFds)

389 @383 I'd much rather have autentica cucina siciliana.

Posted by: Thorvald at January 10, 2013 10:23 PM (1V6Pv)

390 Didn't read the comments but the most important conversation you can have with your kids is.

Kid: That's not fair.

Parent: life isn't fair'

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 10, 2013 10:24 PM (qo244)

391 "...and AoS Back Clinic."

Don't you dare drop a digit on me!

Posted by: tailbone at January 10, 2013 10:24 PM (I88Jc)

392 Sorry Peaches. I guess it was a day dream.

Posted by: Ronster at January 10, 2013 10:24 PM (JgkPs)

393 I have the SodaStream but interestingly enough about it, if you just buy the regular soda mixes they have some artifical sweeteners in them anyway, even if it is the regular cola flavor. You have to pay extra for the "natural" one because in order to meet their lower calorie claims and yet stay as sweet as regular coke they have to add artificial sweeteners. Boy was I surprised to discover that since I don't let my son have diet colas yet.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at January 10, 2013 10:24 PM (RZ8pf)

394 Or we could talk of the other L2, L3, and L4. LaGrange Points.

OSP, recipes? She goes by feel. She just knows how much to put in. Long practice.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 10, 2013 10:25 PM (KnIgz)

395 Now me, I can not stand the taste of Papa John's because their pizza sauce tastes far too sweet.


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 10, 2013 10:23 PM (KnIgz)

Yeah, the stuff is fuckin' horrible. Even Dominos is better. And I would only eat that if there were no more non-vegan, anti-"healthy" food left on earth

Posted by: Peaches, Pats fan for life at January 10, 2013 10:25 PM (kpCLl)

396 CBD.. thanks. I'm glad it worked out well for you. I will probably have to stick to someone close. This, even with insurance is going to be costly. There are some very good neurosurgeons here and the guy I am going to see worked on my co-worker and he's been pain free since the surgery. He had almost the exact same thing asme. He even worked on 2 other family members that have had great results. OTH..I won't rule anything out. I may get that name from you.

Posted by: jewells45 at January 10, 2013 10:25 PM (u25eL)

397 >
"...and AoS Back Clinic."


slash Stanley Kubrick Discussion Group

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 10, 2013 10:26 PM (8sCoq)

398 OSP, recipes? She goes by feel. She just knows how much to put in. Long practice.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 10, 2013 10:25 PM (KnIgz)

I know what you mean, My Granny (Patches) made a blackberry cobbler that I cannot replicate for nothin. I don't think that woman even owned a measuring cup.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 10, 2013 10:26 PM (l86i3)

399 Speaking of narcissists--I see Argentina's Kirchner is still harping over the Falklands. Even if we grant that a great wrong was done in 1833--which is questionable, and not something I do--the fact is that those islands have been continually British for a longer period of time than half our states have been states.

Naturally, Barack Obama supports Argentina, or at least seems to.

As an aside, I'm fairly sure that if there is a heaven, the Lord's priority is to for everybody to be to sure to continually fight about old grievances.

Posted by: H. at January 10, 2013 10:27 PM (bZQi9)

400 Wow from Russia. Beautiful women in improbable settings and attire. Napoleonic Village of the Damned clone children. And SMOD.

http://youtu.be/4KXMvs-dm_U

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 10, 2013 10:27 PM (KnIgz)

401 387 Ms Puma,

I KNOW Pizza.

Worked at it off and on for ~25 years.

The reason Papa Johns is so sweet is he was influenced by cincy style on the other end of I-71 and the Cincy pizza joints altered their sweetness to placate the Germanic taste preferences.....

you get the chance go to La rosa's and you'll taste the lineage.

You ever make it to the Dayton metro area you need to try cassanos which is authentic neopolitan style wafer.

REAL sicillian pizza rules.

better than ANY US pie.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 10:27 PM (LRFds)

402 jewells, it gladdens my heart to know that the surgeon you are seeing has been vetted by someone you trust . . . and, if you're going to do it, just do it. I've heard from too many people the whole "I wish I had done it sooner" thing.

Posted by: Peaches, Pats fan for life at January 10, 2013 10:28 PM (kpCLl)

403 Jewell,

Make sure you see a neurosurgeon and not an orthopedic. Some doctors are sending them to orthos because I guess they do it cheaper, but every person I know who got it done by an ortho has had problems.


Most important thing is to strengthen your "core" after the surgery. I waited 4 years after my surgery to start doing that, and in the 4 years since then, I have had no problems. Also ask the doctor about swimming. My neurosurgeon recommended it because it puts very little stress on the back, but freestyle swimming really strengthens the lower back, and well, the whole back.

Posted by: MrCaniac at January 10, 2013 10:28 PM (Zd/NW)

404 a few weeks ago on night time AM radio, I heard a conspiracy theorist who claims the movie The Shining contains multiple clues, planted by Kubrick, which serve to debunk the entire Apollo space program

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 10, 2013 10:29 PM (8sCoq)

405 404 Jones in CO,

was it Art Bell on coast to coast?

A man gifted with such a voice using it in the service of mendacity.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 10:30 PM (LRFds)

406 Sven. About those wafer pizzas. Maybe I just chose the wrong one while in the Gargano region of Italy. But Italian pizza chain called Bella Napoli. Ordered a white sauce wafer pizza, that thing was so loaded with liquids it went mush before I was halfway through eating it.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 10, 2013 10:30 PM (KnIgz)

407 Oooh, Cassano's. I think that's the one thing about Dayton that I miss.

Posted by: no good deed at January 10, 2013 10:30 PM (mjR67)

408 I watched the embedded trailer without sound. It's astonishing: you can SEE bad acting, even without hearing what's being said.

Also: Jesus H. Christ! Lindsey Lohan is 20 years younger than I am and she looks OLD. That girl isn't even 30 yet and she already looks all leathery and dead-eyed.

Posted by: Trimegistus at January 10, 2013 10:30 PM (OPuqq)

409 a few weeks ago on night time AM radio, I heard a conspiracy theorist who claims the movie The Shining contains multiple clues, planted by Kubrick, which serve to debunk the entire Apollo space program
Posted by: Jones in CO at January 10, 2013 10:29 PM (8sCoq)

I worked part time security when I was a young sailor. I listened to Art Bell every night shift. OMG, that's entertainment.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 10, 2013 10:31 PM (l86i3)

410 ONT's ready!

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 10, 2013 10:31 PM (8sCoq)

411 That 'splains it, then, Sven.
Check out the flamingos here (at about 1:40), though.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/c9hmhzu

Posted by: Thorvald at January 10, 2013 10:31 PM (1V6Pv)

412 MrCaniac.. that's exactly right. I thought I my Primary doc was gonna recommend an ortho. Then when he called with neurosurgeons names, I was like.. what????

Posted by: jewells45 at January 10, 2013 10:31 PM (u25eL)

413 As for hitting the Dayton area. I should check out Wright-Patterson to see if I can make the Doolittle Raider gathering this year.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 10, 2013 10:32 PM (KnIgz)

414 ONT!

Posted by: Peaches, Pats fan for life at January 10, 2013 10:32 PM (kpCLl)

415 Also: Jesus H. Christ! Lindsey Lohan is 20 years younger than I am and she looks OLD. That girl isn't even 30 yet and she already looks all leathery and dead-eyed.
Posted by: Trimegistus at January 10, 2013 10:30 PM (OPuqq)

And I would hit it at the drop of a hat.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 10, 2013 10:32 PM (l86i3)

416 Rosatis Chicago Style Deep Dish Pizza is the best in the world, and if you don't know that....then you don't know shit!

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at January 10, 2013 10:33 PM (uis79)

417 Giordano's in Chicago. That is fucking PIZZA.

Posted by: Trimegistus at January 10, 2013 10:34 PM (OPuqq)

418 407 No Good deed,

they also brought back the Cassini....

go to Col Glenn highway in Fairborn and you can still get a bonzo....

"deep fried pizza"

YUM!

Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 10:35 PM (LRFds)

419 You talkin' cracker crust, sven? like 10-12 hour raised dough? My first real job was a pizza place.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 10, 2013 10:35 PM (ma1sf)

420 In Arizona I saw some Bozo eating Deep Fried Butter at the Fair. Just the thought of it makes me ill.

Posted by: Walter Sobchak at January 10, 2013 10:36 PM (uis79)

421 419 Cicero Kid,

Yeah the raised dough is smashed down on a cornmeal seasalt covering of a board and then flash baked.

Good stuff when done correctly.


Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 10:36 PM (LRFds)

422 minimum 500 degree oven. 600-700 is better.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 10, 2013 10:38 PM (ma1sf)

423
'Harold' put fennel in his sauce. it was outstanding.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 10, 2013 10:39 PM (ma1sf)

424 Will do, sven. I'm heading that way in September for the AF marathon.

Posted by: no good deed at January 10, 2013 10:42 PM (mjR67)

425 424 no good deed,

have a good time....

you staying on post?

If so post lodging is pretty high speed, low drag....the Hope Hotel is a legit 4 star hotel if you go all out...also on post.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 10:43 PM (LRFds)

426 I think I'll be staying with some friends who are moving there from a tour in Korea. We were stationed at Wright-Patterson a few years ago.

Posted by: no good deed at January 10, 2013 10:46 PM (mjR67)

427 Kimchee, soujo, thud

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 10, 2013 10:49 PM (KnIgz)

428 Fuck Obama


Posted by: jeremiah God Damn Barack Obama the Mother Fucking SCoaMF wright at January 10, 2013 10:49 PM (+OTLF)

429 Jeremiah GDA Wright,

seldom said enough....

Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 10:57 PM (LRFds)

430 You nailed the Holmes guy perfectly. He was more than likely a pampered little shit who was told how special and oh so ever smart he was throughout his entire life, probably got a trophy and ribbon for participation, sailed through the pathetic public schools as "the smartest one evah!!!" with more "honor certificates" then bullshitted his was through the undergraduate degree, which is not hard at all, and then ran smack into the wall of reality when he attempted the dual Masters/PhD program in biological sciences. He failed the first oral exam, remember, and then dropped out? And then it all manifested itself within a year. This isn't strange, this is predictable. Anyone who has raised their children to adults know this, or if they don't they are part of the problem.

Posted by: halodoc at January 10, 2013 11:40 PM (Fzbp3)

431 420 In Arizona I saw some Bozo eating Deep Fried Butter at the Fair. Just the thought of it makes me ill.
Posted by: Walter Sobchak at January 10, 2013 10:36 PM (uis79)

So did you ask Frum for his autograph?

Posted by: Hollywood Accountants at January 11, 2013 12:43 AM (n2M+Z)

432 That is the queerest trailer I have ever seen IN my life!

Especially the shot of the porno star Ellis is obsessed with, approaching the camera with his muskels so defined. . . .

Posted by: beverly at January 11, 2013 02:21 AM (Od3s7)

433 thanks for the Slut News of the Week. anymore it's the only thing interesting here except DrewM.

Posted by: Born Free at January 11, 2013 02:56 AM (jnJcf)

434 I'm sorry to say I watched the trailer. It really does look dreadful. It's trying to be a high-camp '50s style melodrama, but it come off looking like a low budget porn flick. Which isn't surprising when you consider the male lead, James Dean, is a porn actor who built a career making videos of himself beating up and abusing women in the "rough sex"genre. I guess that makes him the perfect costar for Lohan.

Posted by: Jim at January 11, 2013 07:20 AM (GYW4K)

435 "Here's another thing I don't get. I want to be recognized and awarded for things I've actually done. There's no dignity or honor in being given an award just for showing up. Why the hell do Kids These Days think they're so great? They have done nothing to earn that and it's soul crushing to tell a person they've accomplished something when they haven't.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. We're not worthy. at January 10, 2013 08:26 PM (Gk3SS) "

They're addicted to the emotional high they get from the praise itself, rather than the sense of accomplishment that well-adjusted, normal people feel.

For example, there are a lot of fanfiction plagiarists who will copy someone else's fanfiction wholesale and maybe change the names of original characters or change which side characters appear. To a psychologically healthy person, this is the epitome of pathetic. But the plagiarist in question is addicted to the glowing praise itself and the false sense of being loved.

Miss Marple hit the nail on the head when she identified it as being a spiritual sickness. Just about every religion on the face of the earth -- with the exception of New Age twaddle -- acknowledges that humankind's core is hubris, and attempts to reign it in.

Posted by: The Ghost of Flannery O'Connor at January 11, 2013 09:49 AM (mMtFx)

436 is this thang on

Posted by: tester at January 12, 2013 12:50 AM (BVkEs)

437 Lindsey Lohan? I thought it was about Obama.

Posted by: MrX at January 12, 2013 03:46 PM (PxmNZ)

438 " False pride can never be sustained."

Obama seems to be sustaining it pretty well.

Posted by: George LeS at January 12, 2013 07:09 PM (C4s3i)






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