"The Media-Offense Complex" and Civilization Become Barbarism

As you probably read, Brent Mussburger had to pre-emptively apologize for noting that an attractive woman was in fact attractive. Apparently this is some kind of offense, now, even though the woman herself was not insulted at all and doesn't understand why anyone would have to apologize to her for complimenting her.

Speaking of words we don't have in English: The Japanese, I know due to previous study (that is, from watching Gung Ho and Rising Sun a whole heck of a lot), have elaborate apology and deference rituals. It all seems very foreign and strange to an outsider-- and barbaric as well.

But we seem to be well along the pathway of that sort of thing ourselves, in which some people pretend to take ritual offense, and then some people demand a ritual apology, and some people even go so far to offer the ritual apology without it even being asked, figuring one might as well shame oneself pre-emptively just to maintain the habit.

Along the way, we lose honesty. Communication ceases being primarily about expressing belief and fact and more about empty rituals demanded to appease feigned offense.

And unfortunately, this is one of those situations where few take a stand, because it seems so much easier to just offer the tatemae apology rather than the honne refusal. And because the tatamae is the path of least resistance, it gets further and further accepted that it's just what you do, whether you mean it or not, whether the person claiming to be offended is being an attention-seeking drama queen or not, and actual honesty seems more and more like crudeness or impoliteness.

Obviously, we have a lot of this going on in discourse about sensitive topics, usually involving race, gender, or sexual orientation. Members of classes of "Historical Discrimination" have been granted the powerful social weapon of demanding that others acknowledge their inherited guilt.

The odd thing is: These rituals become adopted as a mark of civilization and therefore distinction against the example of the barbarian. That is, by engaging in such rituals one shows oneself to be civilized and cultured, contrasted against the rude and crude tongue of the barbarian.

But as such rituals become more common and more empty, they become less civilized and more primitive, becoming, essentially, a human analogue of an ape's Aggression Display or a dog rolling over on its back and showing the belly and throat (the Submission Display).

The ritualized demands for appeasement and ritualized offerings of such -- and the social code as to who is entitled to demand the appeasement, and who is obligated to offer it -- become very quickly signals of who is where in the Pecking Order, the anlmalistic (and primitive) order of who is more dominant and who is lower in the order.

The demands for appeasement are a way of demanding those lower in the hierarchy formally re-acknowledge their lower position in the hierarchy. Brent Mussberger, a white male, is lower in the hierarchy (at least for purposes of being obligated to offer submission signals to a potentially-aggrieved party further up in the Apology Hierarchy) and so is required, by ritual and custom, to formally acknowledge his lower status upon such being demanded of him. Or even, as here, when it's not demanded of him.

Take civilization and sophistication, ritual and custom, far enough and you wind up moving further and further from honest and free expression, and further and further from equality, towards primativism and barbarism and animal-like displays of dominance and submission.

It's all very similar to the idea that one must not look a Social Superior directly in the eye-- that would imply social equality, which is a breach. One must keep one's eyes low, signalling one's acceptance of one's lesser place in the hierarchy. If this rule is breached, the offending party must prostate himself with apology to signal his acceptance of the order.

And we've got that a lot of that going on in supposedly advanced and civilized America 2013. If you treat persons afforded a higher Social Status as equals -- not bothering with ritualized shows of deference (politically correct language, etc.), you're required to immediately apologize for your impudence.

A lot of sci-fi adventures feature the idea of a "cultured" society which has become so formalized and ossified in ritual that it's dishonest, corrupt, and barbaric in its purported civility, and it takes the Barbaric Outsider's rude truth to puncture the Sham Civility and show it to be, in reality, just an elaborate form of simian primativism. That it happens in books doesn't make it false, though: It's a real thing. Sometimes -- often -- it takes either an outsider or at least a stubborn contrarian to point out we've moved past "polite manners" and into the realm of barbaric habit.


Posted by: Ace at 03:59 PM



Comments

1 Brent saw a hot chick and said something. Big deal.

Posted by: MrCaniac at January 10, 2013 03:29 PM (Zd/NW)

2 I really like ritual blow jobs when I get "Dad of the Year" awards.....haw haw

Posted by: bill clinton at January 10, 2013 03:30 PM (MFsWP)

3
Along the way, we lose honesty. Communication ceases being primarily
about expressing belief and fact and more about empty rituals demanded
to appease feigned offense.


Spot on.


Bill Watterson, decades ago, remarked in a Calvin and Hobbes panel that if we worked hard enough, we could make language an impediment to communication. We've been working hard at making that a reality ever since!

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at January 10, 2013 03:31 PM (mrnos)

4 Oh thank God! I don't see the words 'platinum coin' anywhere!

Posted by: Tami at January 10, 2013 03:31 PM (X6akg)

5 towards primativism and barbarism and animal-like displays of dominance and submission.

I missed the part where hooting at women who aren't begging for sexual attention became "civilized."

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ (BAN ALL THE THINGS!) at January 10, 2013 03:31 PM (ZKzrr)

6 I'm so confused.

Is Ace going to ritually apologize to Gabe for stepping on his post, or is Gabe going to ritually apologize for not seeing into the future?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 10, 2013 03:32 PM (GsoHv)

7
Saw a photo of her. She's lovely.

I'm not sorry I said that.

Posted by: Meremortal, time to slutdrop the GOPe at January 10, 2013 03:33 PM (1Y+hH)

8 In before a true conservative tell us how "Real conservative already knew this."

Posted by: MrShad at January 10, 2013 03:33 PM (Xqfwb)

9 @6: Being Ace means never having to say you're sorry. Or something like that.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 10, 2013 03:33 PM (B/VB5)

10 ??????;

Posted by: VIA, on the tiny keyboard at January 10, 2013 03:33 PM (jlngc)

11 This is important in a culture where the offended can, and often does, kill you. In ours, it's just nonsense.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 10, 2013 03:34 PM (evdj2)

12 It's weird that the former Miss Alabama didn't take offense at being noticed for her looks.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 10, 2013 03:34 PM (+lsX1)

13 So I guess the expression, "I'd fuck that" would be considered barbarian.

Posted by: Soona at January 10, 2013 03:34 PM (gKwHR)

14 Eh, i'm in the middle on this one, i don't think it was offensive or required an apology, but it was a little cringe worthy to see an old man slobbering over a young woman like that, if he had been a little more subdues about it i doubt anyone would have thought twice about it, he just went a little overboard.

Posted by: booger at January 10, 2013 03:34 PM (HI6wa)

15 Didn't we use to call that "ritual dick beating"? The new PC society, white straight males have to apologize for existing now.

Posted by: Vic at January 10, 2013 03:35 PM (53z96)

16 What's interesting, though, is that liberals who demand that people follow these rituals never see them as such and in fact will (often) cry the loudest about how rituals don't mean anything or are oppressive, when conservatives employ them.

Example: I don't need a ceremony and a piece of paper to tell me I'm married! It's in my heeeaaart! (except when I want my gay friends to have that piece of paper)

Other examples include things like making fun of Catholics genuflecting or memorizing prayers.

Posted by: Jenny Tries Too Hard at January 10, 2013 03:35 PM (b+8h9)

17 This whole "affair de Mussburger" is nothing more than some hens getting all upset. Kinda like when MrsCaniac and I came up with our list of 3 "freebies", you know, 3 people that you could have an affair with that would not get the divorce proceedings started. She chose Mel Gibson, Colin Firth, and the little werewolf boy from Twilight. Well she got pissed at my three choices. Her massage therapist who has an "open relationship" with her hubby, her hairdresser, and a woman who I grew up with that just got a divorce and a boobjob. Can you believe the nerve of her to get upset?

Posted by: MrCaniac at January 10, 2013 03:35 PM (Zd/NW)

18


ace, you're going to get pissed at me, but this is what certain clueless quasi-racists are trying to convey when you drop the hammer on them for using jokes that belong back in 1927.

You're right to get pissed that people use your place for ebonics, watermelon, and fried chicken jokes. Don't get me wrong. But this is part of the same spectrum of behavior. We avoid giving offense (by censoring what very few really take offense at) to appear civilized, or at least not troglodytic.

It's what civilized, urbane man does.

The deeper point you are making (or seeming to make) about the line between politeness and obsequy is valid, and you;re correct that the line needs far better demarkation.


Posted by: imp at January 10, 2013 03:36 PM (UaxA0)

19 As a commentor who comments every 6 months, damn. This is some quality insight right here. Ace, you're on a roll. Like the third post I've sent around to friends in a week.

And now that I'm done s-ing your d, how bout some morons jump in and beat me up.

Posted by: Alfred at January 10, 2013 03:37 PM (Hmj6T)

20 Ace -- I'm reposting below my comment #257 from the other thread re the Tatemae - Honne dichotomy.
American PC strictures aren't a sub-class of Tatemae - Honne. These strictures are certainly a sub-class of *some* super-class, maybe of Derrida-speak, but strictly speaking the Tatemae - Honne distinctions don't have the relevant explanatory power in the case of American-style PC mania.
Anyway, to wit:

The definition provided for Tatemae - Honne is not the single, one-and-only definition. It's certainly accurate, but there are important variations on this definition. The whole concept of the Tatemae - Honne dichotomy is culturally quite central to Japanese life.

It's all hugely bound up with the imperative to maintain broad-based "Wa" or harmony, whether within or across groups. Careful cultivation and manipulation of the Tatemae - Honne construct helps to preserve "Wa" in Japanese society.

I heartily recommend Bob Whiting's aptly-titled book about Japanese baseball (and American Major Leaguers crashing it), "You Gotta Have Wa," for a great and non-mystical explication/illumination of this whole phenomenon.

(I've lived off-and-on in Tokyo since 1988, a dubious accomplishment flowing from my 4 years of formal Japanese language coursework in undergrad.)

Someone on this thread mentioned that this dichotomy is suggestive of hypocrisy. In some cases, yes, yes it is.

But consider hypocrisy a matter of Free Will: You can choose to not merely pay lip-service, or to suck up to some one or some group, or whatever. In contrast, the Tatemae - Honne dichotomy has mostly evolved out of a straitjacketed social circumstance, indeed out of a historical tendency in Japan towards benevolent dictatorship in terms of social roles, responsibilities, stratification, etc. In short, limited to no free will, or at least the expression of what one truly wants (as opposed to what one is obligated to perform, submit to, etc.) limited to a very small, trusted, and like-minded in-group.

The twist on this more "nuanced" view of the Tatemae - Honne dichotomy is that some people, while not openly rebelling againstwhatever given situation creates an expectation of obedience, do managein some cases to very artfully finesse the lip-service expected of them in the immediate term, while in the medium-to-longer term actually maneuvering people and processes to go the way that their Free Will would have them exercise -- just not openly in aJapanese setting. So they get their way, and those expecting adherence to the Tatemae surface-level-only approach are also mollified if neutralized.

Posted by: RamonAllones at January 10, 2013 03:37 PM (3lLli)

21 Was having a conversation last night with a very confused supporter of the president. Her paycheck was direct deposited into her account and was a lot lower than her last paycheck. She is not highly paid and she couldn't believe that her paycheck was so much lower. Of course, thinking something odd going on, she confronted her employer who told her it was just the new taxes. She is very confused because she thought that only the rich were going to have their taxes increase and she is not rich.

During our discussion we discussed the election and her beliefs. She thinks it's a great idea to outlaw guns completely and take them away from everyone. She can't see how this violates the constitution claiming that the document is archaic and written for a time when we needed militias.

She also believed that Romney/Ryan would take away her rights to birth control and abortion.

She was horrified that I advised her that, although I am not a gun owner, I do support their constitutional right to have firearms. I tried to show her that her upset at having abortion taken away as an option, by the Republicans, her fear is exactly the same as the fear of the gun owners, having their guns taken away by an administration that repeatedly said they would never do this. I asked her how she would feel if Romney won the election and then proceeded to go after Roe v Wade after he said he had no interest in doing this.

Instead of a nice discussion, it turned into her exploding and walking off and saying that our friendship was now on the line. Until that point it was a calm, nice discussion and I thought I'd made many great points in showing her the similarities between the abortion issue and the gun issue but I guess the logic was too much for her to take.

Posted by: Caustic at January 10, 2013 03:44 PM (/b8+5)

22 Speaking of dumb rituals: First?

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at January 10, 2013 03:52 PM (qwK3S)

23 Really? Gabe's post about Jindal's sales tax had to be subjugated for this?

Posted by: MadisonConservative at January 10, 2013 04:01 PM (Y/HG5)

24 imp,

no offense taken; that occurred to me as well. My point isn't that civility or politeness are bad-- it's that they can be taken too far, and become oppressive (and uncivilized).

Posted by: ace at January 10, 2013 04:02 PM (LCRYB)

25 >>>Really? Gabe's post about Jindal's sales tax had to be subjugated for this?

Please direct me to your scary-important thoughts so I can read all about MadisonConservative's take on things.

Posted by: ace at January 10, 2013 04:02 PM (LCRYB)

26 She's a Southern girl. They work hard to look pretty. She took it as a complement.

Posted by: CUS at January 10, 2013 04:02 PM (84pE9)

27 Ramon,

Thanks, I read half of that before and found it interesting (but I ran out to get lunch and didn't finish and didn't comment).

But it's interesting, and thanks.

Posted by: ace at January 10, 2013 04:03 PM (LCRYB)

28 So confusing. I think I need Hanna Minx to explain it all.

Posted by: Average Guy at January 10, 2013 04:04 PM (qZVMV)

29 >>>As a commentor who comments every 6 months, damn. This is some quality insight right here. Ace, you're on a roll. Like the third post I've sent around to friends in a week.

thank you Alfred. I thought it was clever and insightful (and it just occurred to me) but one never knows if one is actually being clever or insightful or one just has the typical Authorial Pride in anything one writes or thinks.

Posted by: ace at January 10, 2013 04:05 PM (LCRYB)

30 I would like to apologize to all the dog-ass ugly feminists out there that can never possibly hope to be anywhere near as attractive as Miss Alabama or the Ace O' Spades moronettes, either in looks or character.

Posted by: Brent Mussberger at January 10, 2013 04:05 PM (mV8sg)

31 Any Southeastern Minnesota rons/ettes interested in hiring recent graduate with a BA in Economics and a Mathematics Minor (statistics)?

I promise not to say any attractive woman is attractive while on company time. Unless, of course, you want me to.

Posted by: Not Ready to Unsock at January 10, 2013 04:05 PM (qw+yV)

32 Posted by: Alfred at January 10, 2013 03:37 PM (Hmj6T)

You have so utterly and completely embarrassed yourself that there isn't much else to say.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 10, 2013 04:05 PM (GsoHv)

33 from the Book of Mal:

Mercy is the mark of a good man.

{light stab}

I guess I'm just a good man.

{light stab}

meh. I'm alright.
______________________

let us all seek to be "alright."
_

Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 10, 2013 04:05 PM (RuUvx)

34 >>> I think I need Hanna Minx to explain it all.

please get that to happen and then send me the link.

Please.

Man I love me some Hanna Minx.

Posted by: ace at January 10, 2013 04:05 PM (LCRYB)

35 Posted by: MadisonConservative

Come to me, child. Come.

Posted by: blogspot.com at January 10, 2013 04:06 PM (evdj2)

36

All of this talk of barbarism, primitive responses and sexual sensitivity is making me strangely more attractive to Ace.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: must be the hormones talking at January 10, 2013 04:06 PM (LpQbZ)

37
The media demands SEPPUKU NOW.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at January 10, 2013 04:06 PM (5FHfg)

38 Seppuk Me?

Seppuk YOU!

Posted by: Brent Mussberger, Heteronormative . at January 10, 2013 04:07 PM (RuUvx)

39 Very well said, ace.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 10, 2013 04:07 PM (DuH+r)

40 Mussberger should simply have said that if the subject of his comments was offended, he'd apologize privately to her, and left it at that.


Posted by: looking closely at January 10, 2013 04:07 PM (6Q9g2)

41 Nicely put, Ace- A corollary of this phenomenon that we see all too often is the usage of language as a weapon rather than as a communication tool. For example, the phrase "Rational gunowners" becomes a way to marginalize and isolate political opponents rather than a useful descriptor.

Posted by: The Meaty Urologist at January 10, 2013 04:08 PM (1OZSU)

42 >>>Eh, i'm in the middle on this one, i don't think it was offensive or required an apology, but it was a little cringe worthy to see an old man slobbering over a young woman like that, if he had been a little more subdues about it i doubt anyone would have thought twice about it, he just went a little overboard.

I'm going to disagree with you. I might have agreed with you ten years ago, but now that old age is not such a distant prospect to me, I wonder if it's fair for old men to acknowledge they're old in this way.

They're not supposed to note the beauty of the young anymore? That's "creepy"?

I don't think old men should have to sort of acknowledge they are beyond any thoughts of sex or beauty, simply because age has made them sort of unsexual and unbeautiful themselves.

Posted by: ace at January 10, 2013 04:08 PM (LCRYB)

43 Damn straight.

Posted by: Brent Mussberger, Heteronormative . at January 10, 2013 04:09 PM (RuUvx)

44 Social ritual evolved as a way to recognize the strata of society. But we carefully and forcefully rejected that idea when we began our fight for independence.

The question is: how can we retain those rituals that preserve social discourse and common courtesy while rejecting those that reinforce the superiority of some and the inferiority of most?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 10, 2013 04:09 PM (GsoHv)

45 A spanking from Miss Webb should suffice.

Posted by: Brent Mussberger at January 10, 2013 04:09 PM (evdj2)

46 And we've got that a lot of that going on in supposedly advanced and
civilized America 2013. If you treat persons afforded a higher Social
Status as equals -- not bothering with ritualized shows of deference
(politically correct language, etc.), you're required to immediately
apologize for your impudence.
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I also see that not only are certain people chosen to be castigated for thinking other than 'Their' social normative ideas , They are threatened for actually having a different thought openly as well. The Media has offered scapegoats for the coming crisis, and every crisis de jour, I think this is by design not just projecting a social norm the actually desire.

hope this comment makes sense.

Has anyone else been unnerved by the use of every pejorative to label the right, the republicans, and half the citizenry as they have been doing openly and outrageously for 4 years?

Posted by: ette- at January 10, 2013 04:10 PM (nqBYe)

47 "Please direct me to your scary-important thoughts so I can read all about MadisonConservative's take on things."

You're the one who keeps placing some sort of importance on my opinions. I'm not sure why, nor know why you get so pissy and angry on the rare occasion I address you.

Posted by: MadisonConservative at January 10, 2013 04:10 PM (Y/HG5)

48 Just think if Jimmy the Greek was around.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at January 10, 2013 04:10 PM (5FHfg)

49 On behalf of our client, we demand an apology forthwith.

Posted by: Doc, Sleepy, Bashful, Happy, Sneezy, Grumpy, and Dopey at January 10, 2013 04:11 PM (I7O5y)

50 Just remember, every time you notice a hot chick; Some guy is sick and fuckin' tired of her bullshit and bad breath.

Posted by: dc at January 10, 2013 04:12 PM (UdPlZ)

51 All of this broohaha is nothing but politcal correctness. And politcal correctness is killing this nation. It's how the MFM has stolen the narrative.

All we're getting now from almost any social discourse is polite lies.

Posted by: Soona at January 10, 2013 04:12 PM (gKwHR)

52 In the Conan story "Queen of the Black Coast," a judge in a civilized nation instructs Conan that the law of civilization demands he tell the police where his wanted friend can be found. Conan is rejects this idea that civilization demands he betray a friend and respect the law over personal honor and personal loyalty.

The judge continues insisting on this principle, so Conan crushes his skull with a joint of mutton he had been eating.

Posted by: ace at January 10, 2013 04:13 PM (LCRYB)

53 Social ritual evolved as a way to recognize the strata of society. But we carefully and forcefully rejected that idea when we began our fight for independence.

Good point. We intended, I think, for respect to be earned and not granted as a title 'to a king's whore, or a king's bastard, or won with a knife in a king's back.'*



*name that quote trivia

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 10, 2013 04:13 PM (evdj2)

54 14 Eh, i'm in the middle on this one, i don't think it was offensive or required an apology, but it was a little cringe worthy to see an old man slobbering over a young woman like that

---

My husband and I both cringed during it.

I agree it's not apology-worthy, but it was unprofessional. It went on too long.

Picture Vin Scully pulling the same schtick. You can't. Because he's a fucking professional.

What Brent did was much more akin to Harry Caray's antics. Harry got away with it because he was a beloved old drunk, but Brent just not that beloved, nor is he that good of an announcer. I think what he did is symptomatic of how gone to seed he is.

Posted by: Y-not at January 10, 2013 04:14 PM (5H6zj)

55 All we're getting now from almost any social discourse is polite lies.

Posted by: Soona at January 10, 2013 04:12 PM (gKwHR)

How the fuck else are we going to get laid?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 10, 2013 04:14 PM (GsoHv)

56 At least ole Brent boy didn't repeat what I said. "I'd hit that"..

Posted by: CSMBigBird at January 10, 2013 04:15 PM (jsWA8)

57 42 Ace,

Horndog One will do that at "who's your daddy?" Awards...

Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 04:15 PM (LRFds)

58 I could see the offense is Musburger had said something about putting her tight end in motion, exploiting a gaping hole, running a skinny post, stiff arming, gang tackling, etc.

Posted by: Jaws at January 10, 2013 04:15 PM (4I3Uo)

59 The judge continues insisting on this principle, so Conan crushes his skull with a joint of mutton he had been eating.



A demand was then issued for a national conversation regarding joints of mutton.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 10, 2013 04:15 PM (UOM48)

60 I read "The Media-Offense Complex" and assumed this post was going to be about Lance Armstrong going on Oprah to cry on TV and beg for indulgence and forgiveness from his fans. Glad I was wrong.

That being said, appearing on Oprah's show is a de facto admission guilt.

Posted by: Keith Arnold at January 10, 2013 04:16 PM (n4EDK)

61 Of course, if the network is serious about all this apologizing stuff, they need to chastise the director who told the cameraman to put the gal on camera.

Posted by: Y-not at January 10, 2013 04:16 PM (5H6zj)

62

so ace, the extremes meet.

The crude troglodyte is imposing his physical dominance just as much as the sissified urban fop is imposing his economic/intellectual dominance, by sending social signals about what must be done to conform to their respective in-groups.

All the while the bourgeois striver is attempting to thread the difference by creating notions of "politeness" to signal yet another in-group.




Posted by: imp at January 10, 2013 04:16 PM (UaxA0)

63 "Has anyone else been unnerved by the use of every
pejorative to label the right, the republicans, and half the citizenry
as they have been doing openly and outrageously for 4 years?


Posted by: ette- at January 10, 2013 04:10 PM (nqBYe)"

I don't get unnerved by anything, but I have noticed that it's getting to fever pitch at this point. That said, there are a lot of people out there who fight fire with fire from the right, so I think that the left knows we hate them, too.

Posted by: BS Inc. at January 10, 2013 04:17 PM (eP0u9)

64 >>>so ace, the extremes meet.

yes that's what I meant. The extremes often meet.

The general rule is that general rules can be taken far too far.

Posted by: ace at January 10, 2013 04:17 PM (LCRYB)

65 Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 10, 2013 04:13 PM (evdj2)

Man, that sounds familiar.

I give up.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 10, 2013 04:17 PM (GsoHv)

66
The British apologize all of the time; seems to me to be a measure of a polite society. He could do a "I'm sorry for anyone it offended" apology -- the liberals' favorite apology tactic, and move on. I also presumptively apologize for thinking she's kind of a butterface.

Posted by: Bud Norton at January 10, 2013 04:17 PM (6cOMd)

67 Make no mistake. I'd hit it.

Posted by: Brent Mussburger at January 10, 2013 04:17 PM (iEoiA)

68 Off foul dick doc sock!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 10, 2013 04:17 PM (1OZSU)

69 Posted by: MadisonConservative at January 10, 2013 04:10 PM (Y/HG5)


I think he has a crush on you.

Posted by: cajun carrot at January 10, 2013 04:18 PM (UZQM8)

70 My wife took offense at the part about quarterbacks getting the good looking ones. She said the QB's she knew were assholes. BTW, she's a former Watermelon Queen from Grand Bay, AL...

Posted by: CSMBigBird at January 10, 2013 04:18 PM (jsWA8)

71 >>> I also presumptively apologize for thinking she's kind of a butterface.

yeah... I don't really get all the hoo-hah myself.

Posted by: ace at January 10, 2013 04:18 PM (LCRYB)

72 As someone who's hated political correctness before I even knew it was a thing, let me just offer a big "F you" in the general direction of the dickwads who have been pushing this crap.

If I'm going to offend you, I'll do it on purpose, and I'll make damn sure you know it.

Posted by: OSUsux at January 10, 2013 04:18 PM (DFXmi)

73 >>It's all very similar to the idea that one must not look a Social Superior directly in the eye-- that would imply social equality, which is a breach. One must keep one's eyes low, signalling one's acceptance of one's lesser place in the hierarchy. If this rule is breached, the offending party must prostate himself with apology to signal his acceptance of the order.

That was one of my biggest cultural adjustments in immigrating to the USA -- all the eye contact! Yeesh!
Unnerving.

Posted by: votermom at January 10, 2013 04:19 PM (pFtxQ)

74 That being said, appearing on Oprah's show is a de facto admission guilt.

And ball-lessness. Oh wait.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 10, 2013 04:19 PM (evdj2)

75 The need to apologize could have been avoided with a simple, "I denounce myself."

Works here.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 10, 2013 04:19 PM (UOM48)

76 I think the work heterophobia summed up L'Affaire Musburger quite nicely. There's a subtext pushed by feminists and into daily discourse that there is something inherently harassing about men admiring pretty women. Notice that there is much less sensitivity about lying and stating that a fat, sloppy woman with a mismatched face is beautiful. The prohibition only really seems to apply where the "object" as it were is actually obviously attractive in the conventional sense (viz, what heterosexual men like).

I also note that another ritual that we all have to abide is that pretty much everyone in entertainment (and notables in politics) are required to appear on Ellen Degeneres' show and prove in some way that they accept the proposition that Ellen's personal life is fully acceptable and that they have no personal moral objection to same. Recall John McCain being confronted by Ms. Degeneres.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at January 10, 2013 04:19 PM (mg08E)

77 yeah... I don't really get all the hoo-hah myself.





Posted by: ace

Sometimes you just have to break down and pay for hoo-hah.

Posted by: Bruce at January 10, 2013 04:19 PM (v4HdX)

78 This post...what does it mean??

Posted by: Pecan Scandi at January 10, 2013 04:19 PM (yvSVk)

79 I think he was way out of line to bring her elbows into it like that.

Posted by: comatus at January 10, 2013 04:19 PM (qaVK+)

80 Social Ritual....Like Sepuku, now that's how you bring in the viewers.

Posted by: Ed Wood VS Godzilla at January 10, 2013 04:20 PM (obHYs)

81 Ace, that was a profound editorial. I probably shouldn't have an opinion since I don't watch football, but the editorial was spot on in general nonetheless.

Posted by: Mazzuchelli at January 10, 2013 04:20 PM (zAZNI)

82 ;:::My point isn't that civility or politeness are bad-- it's that they can be taken too far, and become oppressive (and uncivilized). ::::

I saw this first hand while stationed in Korea. The Western term for it is "face", as in "saving face" or "losing face." And it's fucking stupid, causes problems and is a major reason why they are culturally retarded.

For example:

You have a subordinate (KATUSA) who you need to accomplish a task by a certain time. So you tell him he needs to get it done, hooah?

Now, he may not understand what you want, not have the resources to get the task done, not be able to even perform the task - either way, it ain't fucking getting done.

BUT.

As an inferior, to admit any of those things would cause him to lose face. So what he says is, "Yes, Sergeant."

Now, the deadline has passed, you haven't gotten your shit done, so you go chew the little bastard out.

"Why didn't you get that shit done like I told you?!"

Now you have committed a grievous social injury to this man, causing him to lose MORE face by pointing out his failure, even though that failure could have been avoided if the little bastard had spoken up. YOU are the barbarian for ignoring the social niceties.

Plus, that kimchee shit they eat makes them smell like hot garbage, even the strippers. You're also not supposed to point that it.

The thing about foreigners is: they're foreign.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 10, 2013 04:21 PM (A+odv)

83 Posted by: votermom at January 10, 2013 04:19 PM (pFtxQ)

I wasn't looking at your eyes.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 10, 2013 04:21 PM (GsoHv)

84 >>>I think he has a crush on you.

Yeah I don't get it. He's made his point that he finds me to be not to his liking. You'd think once or twice would be enough, but it's like he's campaigning in the comments.

>>>I probably shouldn't have an opinion since I don't watch football, but the editorial was spot on in general nonetheless.

thanks, but I don't get the football reference.


Posted by: ace at January 10, 2013 04:21 PM (LCRYB)

85


we carefully and forcefully rejected that idea when we began our fight for independence


Bullshit, I calleth on thee.

We only allowed propertied white men to vote (and I don't say that critically, I think limiting the voter rolls to propertied individuals would do wonders, though without the race and gender exclusions).

What got us into trouble is the dissolution of the old social strata from the 1950s. Once the 60s and 70s started corroding the foundations of society (really started by the horrors of WWI and WWII) we were done for.


Posted by: imp at January 10, 2013 04:22 PM (UaxA0)

86 I think if the woman in question had been offended, and had said so, then an apology would be in order. If you self-censor based on the idea that someone somewhere will be offended by what you say, nothing will ever get said.

A friend of mine a few months back was beating herself up because she'd used the word "black" to describe a co-worker. "I should have said African-American." I told her in this case it is the duty of the offended to say, "I am offended" and if they didn't, then stop worrying about it.

She voted for Obama, of course. Can't argue with the liberal disease once it enters the brain and ossifies.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 10, 2013 04:22 PM (DuH+r)

87 How the fuck else are we going to get laid?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 10, 2013 04:14 PM (GsoHv)


------------------------------------------


Heh.

Posted by: Soona at January 10, 2013 04:22 PM (HLXJ6)

88 Did these people go after Letterman for the Bristol Palin thing? I'm sure they did, and I just missed it.

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 10, 2013 04:22 PM (MPjT8)

89 76 Alec Leamas,

I am perfectly fine with the Elton John method of child delivery...

Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 04:23 PM (LRFds)

90 Incidentally I've almost completely stopped watching football. This is the third or fourth year of a trend of declining interest; this was the first year I can remember, since I was a very small kid, where I did not know where my team was in the standings most of the time or who exactly was in the playoffs.

I have never not watched the playoffs- - until this weekend.

Posted by: ace at January 10, 2013 04:23 PM (LCRYB)

91 Plus, that kimchee shit they eat makes them smell like hot garbage



Go on...

Posted by: Al Roker at January 10, 2013 04:23 PM (UOM48)

92 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 10, 2013 04:21 PM (A+odv)

And maybe if they had been able to defend their own boarders this horrid insult would never have been necessary.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 10, 2013 04:23 PM (GsoHv)

93 I'm sure she is getting all kinds of interesting calls from Bill Clinton.

Posted by: cajun carrot at January 10, 2013 04:23 PM (UZQM8)

94 Anyone else starting to wonder if Ace is an anthropology and/or sociology professor?

I mean...really?
(Meh.)

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at January 10, 2013 04:23 PM (ULkyQ)

95 Oh thank God! I don't see the words 'platinum coin' anywhere!

Neither did I, until the dreaded post #4.

Posted by: Blanco Basura at January 10, 2013 04:24 PM (4WhSY)

96 I hope Jason Whitlock replaces BM

Posted by: simpleton at January 10, 2013 04:24 PM (i3pKT)

97 Ever hear about the Korean Airlines pilot / co-pilot issue? KAL was losing too many planes (with passengers and crew aboard).

They had to train the co-pilots to do their jobs and the pilots to take instructions.

Posted by: Al at January 10, 2013 04:25 PM (V70Uh)

98 Like Sepuku, now that's how you bring in the viewers.
Posted by: Ed Wood VS Godzilla at January 10, 2013 04:20 PM (obHYs)


*****

Sepuku? I just love number puzzles!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 10, 2013 04:25 PM (1OZSU)

99 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 10, 2013 04:21 PM (GsoHv)

>I wasn't looking at your eyes.

Good, coz unless we're dating you're not supposed to look me in the eyes.

Posted by: votermom at January 10, 2013 04:25 PM (pFtxQ)

100 There's no need for an elaborate social song-and-dance here. The QB should have tagged Brent on the jaw, fairly lightly so's not to break him, and that would be that.
Honor would be served, the network guru would not have to mince his words up and eat them like senior-citizen catfood, and all would be even, as soon as he'd picked his sorry ass up off the studio floor.

Seems like we've forgotten our real social customs, and have gotten stuck on ones that foreigners practice and have words for we don't have in English.

Posted by: comatus at January 10, 2013 04:25 PM (qaVK+)

101 >>>Anyone else starting to wonder if Ace is an anthropology and/or sociology professor?

nope but I find the topic interesting, obviously.

You don't find it interesting? Even Sheldon Cooper finds it interesting, as an abstract matter.

Posted by: ace at January 10, 2013 04:26 PM (LCRYB)

102 I can't believe we have made it this far with no pic

http://is.gd/IAKHAS


Yes, she is hawt

Posted by: Vic at January 10, 2013 04:26 PM (53z96)

103 But all the Koreans on M*A*S*H were salt of the Earth types. Even the Norks.

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 10, 2013 04:26 PM (MPjT8)

104 "I think if the woman in question had been offended, and had said so, then an apology would be in order."

_______________________________

Why? What reasonable person in her position would sincerely feel offended? Why isn't the question "is this person's reaction to stimulus A reasonable?"\

The fact that the woman in question isn't unreasonable such that she would take offense only heightens the stupidity of getting worked up. Clearly, the people to be appeased are the self-loathing losers whom Musburger didn't see and didn't compliment.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at January 10, 2013 04:26 PM (mg08E)

105 Posted by: imp at January 10, 2013 04:22 PM (UaxA0)

Ah...judging 1776 by the standards of 2013.

We rejected a monarchist society with ridgid social strata, and embraced an egalitarian society (within the bounds of current thought), where the value of the man was intrinsic and not based on heredity or position.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 10, 2013 04:26 PM (GsoHv)

106 Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 10, 2013 04:05 PM
that first one should be "Great" man... you knocked some of the funny off.

Posted by: BoGart at January 10, 2013 04:26 PM (Ugngr)

107 96 simpleton,

Only if he gets a sex change then he'd be bulletproof

Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 04:26 PM (LRFds)

108 well maybe Sheldon doesn't find it "interesting," but he does find it useful to know.

Posted by: ace at January 10, 2013 04:27 PM (LCRYB)

109 Good thing Brent Mussberger wasn't calling any LSU games. He'd be out of a job.


http://tinyurl.com/b9b4dx3


Posted by: EC at January 10, 2013 04:27 PM (GQ8sn)

110 Incidentally I've almost completely stopped watching football. This is the third or fourth year of a trend of declining interest; this was the first year I can remember, since I was a very small kid, where I did not know where my team was in the standings most of the time or who exactly was in the playoffs. I have never not watched the playoffs- - until this weekend.
Posted by: ace at January 10, 2013 04:23 PM (LCRYB)


----------------------------------------------------


Thanks, Ace. I thought I was the only one.

Posted by: Soona at January 10, 2013 04:27 PM (HLXJ6)

111


yeah... I don't really get all the hoo-hah myself.





Truer words were never spoken.

Posted by: imp at January 10, 2013 04:27 PM (UaxA0)

112 that this is what the media goes nuts over....jeez.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 10, 2013 04:28 PM (GVxQo)

113 Pics?

Posted by: Jean at January 10, 2013 04:28 PM (kdfQ/)

114 I mean, this was the first weekend I voluntarily didn't watch the playoffs. Obviously I've had weekends where I couldn't!

Posted by: ace at January 10, 2013 04:28 PM (LCRYB)

115 well maybe Sheldon doesn't find it "interesting," but he does find it useful to know.

Maybe Garrett can tell us what Monica and Chandler think about it.

Posted by: Vizzini at January 10, 2013 04:28 PM (O7Q1u)

116 :::And maybe if they had been able to defend their own boarders this horrid insult would never have been necessary::::

That had occurred to me. Apparently pointing that out also violates some type of social convention.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 10, 2013 04:28 PM (A+odv)

117 No one demanded hara-kiri for Harry Caray.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at January 10, 2013 04:28 PM (5FHfg)

118
A fat woman on the sidewalk outside just threw a snowball at the old man she was walking with. Missed him, not even close but he copped a 'tude and stomped off in the other direction. Like a bitch.

Last weeks matchups were snoozers. They have to be better this time.

Posted by: spongeworthy at January 10, 2013 04:29 PM (r5w1L)

119 Posted by: EC at January 10, 2013 04:27 PM (GQ8sn)

That's a scary looking bunch.

And Vic was weaning us off the Southern jokes!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 10, 2013 04:29 PM (GsoHv)

120 It's called "manufactured outrage". I think the Federal Reserve has taken it upon itself to corner that market.

Posted by: Al at January 10, 2013 04:29 PM (V70Uh)

121 Plus, that kimchee shit they eat makes them smell like hot garbage


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I'm wondering if it's socially acceptable to tell Al Roker that he smells like shit.

Posted by: Soona at January 10, 2013 04:29 PM (HLXJ6)

122 116 :::And maybe if they had been able to defend their own boarders this horrid insult would never have been necessary::::

That had occurred to me. Apparently pointing that out also violates some type of social convention.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 10, 2013 04:28 PM (A+odv)

Well, I wouldn't fault them so much for that. Not easy being surrounded by bloodthirsty mofos like Japanese, Chinese, and Mongols...

Posted by: KG at January 10, 2013 04:30 PM (p7BzH)

123 Wow that's a long post. I bet it's pretty good too. I was raised in such a way that I know when I have fucked up and need to apologize, and when I haven't and don't. The other side of that is, my shitlist is carved in stone.

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 10, 2013 04:30 PM (8sCoq)

124 If I may--it's an excellent observation and analysis, but I think there's one thing missing here. The tradition of civility as a simple social lubricant can be subverted as a means to gain and exercise power, and that's exactly what's been happening for the past couple of generations. It's not so much a thing intrinsic to the practice as it is a sad function of human nature.

Beyond that, though, you're spot on!

Posted by: Brother Cavil, High Priest of the Gods of the Copybook Headings at January 10, 2013 04:30 PM (GBXon)

125 hara-kiri for Harry Carey? Threadwinner.


Posted by: Al at January 10, 2013 04:31 PM (V70Uh)

126 It's not what messburger said, it's just that he is a 70 year old dirty old man probably with grandkids her age.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 10, 2013 04:31 PM (9Bj8R)

127 jones

i couldn't agree with you more

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 10, 2013 04:31 PM (GVxQo)

128 I think for one of these sham apology things, the ritualistic saying should be:

"I apologize for [doing whatever dumbshit thing you are pretending to be outraged about today]. But first, you will blow me."

Posted by: Golan Globus at January 10, 2013 04:31 PM (uk1a1)

129 Now there are fire trucks. I do not smell smoke.

Posted by: spongeworthy at January 10, 2013 04:31 PM (r5w1L)

130 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 10, 2013 04:28 PM (A+odv)

My wife has a horrendously difficult pain-in-the-ass employee in Tokyo. She is always just skirting the line of rudeness. I keep telling my wife to constantly remind this bitch that we whipped their asses in WWII, and made most of their cities go up in flames.

Apparently that is not an accepted form of attitude adjustment in today's corporate culture.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 10, 2013 04:31 PM (GsoHv)

131 That's a scary looking bunch.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 10, 2013 04:29 PM (GsoHv)

It looks like they're going to eat us all!!!

Posted by: EC at January 10, 2013 04:32 PM (GQ8sn)

132 Posted by: ace at January 10, 2013 04:26 PM (LCRYB)

No I do at some abstract level, but I've spent most of my week working on looking at cultural phenomenons in medicine.
So yeah, I just had to rib you for such an intellectual take on a guy going "wow hottie."

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at January 10, 2013 04:32 PM (ULkyQ)

133
70 year old dirty old man probably with grandkids her age.
======
So? He's old, not dead.

Posted by: Hugh Hefner at January 10, 2013 04:32 PM (MPjT8)

134
I didn't do it.

Posted by: Al Roker at January 10, 2013 04:32 PM (p/cQy)

135 And remember- the people going apoplectic about Musberger's comments are the same people who routinely savage conservative women. So fuck 'em with a sharp stick. I'm not sorry either.

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 10, 2013 04:32 PM (8sCoq)

136 "He's made his point that he finds me to be not to his liking."

Ironically, while I haven't made any such point, you've clearly demonstrated your own animosity, of which it's still difficult to conceive of the source. Did I mistake your bowl of Wheaties for a toilet or something?

Posted by: MadisonConservative at January 10, 2013 04:32 PM (Y/HG5)

137 The young lady was gracious and chose not to be offended by Mussburger's attempt at a compliment; she took it as a remark about her beauty, as would any properly raise Girl Raised In The South.

She's still pissed about those texts from Brett Favre, though.

Posted by: Keith Arnold at January 10, 2013 04:33 PM (n4EDK)

138 >>>he tradition of civility as a simple social lubricant can be subverted as a means to gain and exercise power, and that's exactly what's been happening for the past couple of generations.

sure, true, every society has a more formalized manner of dealing with strangers/showing respect for strangers or elders, and different rules apply. And sure, it's a useful social lubricant... up to a point. It can be used, and is now being used, as a method of demanding fealty to certain ideas.

Posted by: ace at January 10, 2013 04:33 PM (LCRYB)

139 126 NGU,

Like HILLARY! scoping the one chick's tits?

Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 04:33 PM (LRFds)

140 Though shall not turn a platinum coin into thy foulest meme.

Posted by: The Book of Steve: Verse 77 Platinum at January 10, 2013 04:33 PM (obHYs)

141 Some of the rudest people I've ever encountered were Japanese tourists in Hawaii.

I was in line for the changing room at a beach, and the women kept smiling and blocking my way into the room, while allowing their fellow Japanese in.

I finally had to force my way in, while they continued to nod and smile.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 10, 2013 04:34 PM (UOM48)

142 @109 Now, this is not an AoS football thread, where such things get said, so this is highly inappropriate (which sort of bears on Old Brent's issues), but

You could open a podiatric practice in the Empty Quarter with that much camel toe.

Posted by: comatus at January 10, 2013 04:34 PM (qaVK+)

143 Probably 80% (made up bullshit stat) of social interaction consists of lying to some degree or another.

Lies are the social lubricant that keeps up from strangling each other on the spot.

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 10, 2013 04:34 PM (BNacf)

144 Instead of a nice discussion, it turned into her
exploding and walking off and saying that our friendship was now on the
line. Until that point it was a calm, nice discussion and I thought I'd
made many great points in showing her the similarities between the
abortion issue and the gun issue but I guess the logic was too much for
her to take.

Posted by: Caustic at January 10, 2013 03:44 PM (/b8+5)


And these bubble heads have lead us down this path of idiocy. Only the burned hand teaches.






Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 10, 2013 04:34 PM (bb5+k)

145 I think a guy could be 80 and still think "I'd like to try to hit that!".

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at January 10, 2013 04:34 PM (Cnqmv)

146 >>And remember- the people going apoplectic about Musberger's comments are
the same people who routinely savage conservative women. So fuck 'em
with a sharp stick. I'm not sorry either.

That kind of reminds my of one of Carlin's lines, paraphrased: "Have you ever noticed that all of the women who scream about the right to abortion are women you wouldn't want to f*ck in the first place?"

Posted by: angler at January 10, 2013 04:34 PM (SwjAj)

147 Good essay.

Posted by: fb at January 10, 2013 04:35 PM (NXd0Q)

148 Posted by: Brother Cavil, High Priest of the Gods of the Copybook Headings at January 10, 2013 04:30 PM (GBXon)

The tradition of civility as a simple social lubricant can be subverted as a means to gain and exercise power, and that's exactly what's been happening for the past couple of generations.

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Nail on head.

Posted by: votermom at January 10, 2013 04:35 PM (pFtxQ)

149 If someone made a comment about me along those lines I'd be thrilled being the grizzled old hag that I am.

Posted by: Cheri at January 10, 2013 04:35 PM (G+Wff)

150 So...just to recap this week's episode of Liberal Logic:

F List celebritard Kathy Griffin drops down on live TV and proceeds to kiss the zipper region of a confirmed gay guy during a New Year's Eve broadcast from one of the largest TV networks in the world.

Chuckle, chuckle, guffaw, oh, that gargoyle Kathy.....

Elderly sportscaster gives the basic equivalent of pretty much what every guy thinks when he sees a hot young girl dating a football player:

“Wow, you quarterbacks get all the good looking women, what a beautiful woman,”
“If you’re a youngster in Alabama, start getting the football out and throw it around the backyard with pops.”

Sexist pig! Dirty old man! Apologize! Release the Dogs of Jezebel!







Posted by: B at January 10, 2013 04:35 PM (11H3F)

151 :::Well, I wouldn't fault them so much for that. Not easy being surrounded by bloodthirsty mofos like Japanese, Chinese, and Mongols...::

I don't. But when you hear them tell you that they don't want you in their country, it's time to activate the Death Blossom.

"Motherfucker, it wasn't MY IDEA to come here in the first place! If I wanted to smell pigshit 24/7 and cough up coal dust every morning, I'd move to... ! Well, Korea.

Fuck you, you little bastard! I hope Slicky Boy steals your Goddamned bicycle!"

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 10, 2013 04:35 PM (A+odv)

152 The other side of this apology shit is when A says something, and B demands that C condemn A. This is also absurd. I answer for my behavior- not the behavior of other people. You have a problem with something someone else said, take it up with that person, not me.

Posted by: Jones in CO at January 10, 2013 04:36 PM (8sCoq)

153 Just how concerned is Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas about his beleaguered Palestinian brethren in Syria? Apparently none-too-much considering the Fatah leader just rejected a conditional Israeli offer to allow Palestinian refugees residing in Syria to resettle in Gaza and Judea and Samaria. Abbas’ rationale is that accepting the Israeli offer will somehow nullify Palestinians’ claims of “right of return” to homes in Israel.

In other words, the Palestinian president has allowed his own people to remain in danger in Assad’s war-torn country, over the possibility that it might undermine his leverage in using the old “right of return” card to uproot Jewish families from Israel and replace them with Palestinians.

Nobody hate the palestinians like other palestinians

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 10, 2013 04:36 PM (9Bj8R)

154 If you had to sit in a booth for hours with Kirk Herbstreit alternating between primping and preening over his own reflection, and fapping to Alabama highlight reels, you'd take a few moments to appreciate a nice, fresh piece of trim yourself, partner.

Posted by: Brent Mussburger at January 10, 2013 04:37 PM (iEoiA)

155 52
In the Conan story "Queen of the Black Coast," a judge in a civilized
nation instructs Conan that the law of civilization demands he tell the
police where his wanted friend can be found. Conan is rejects this idea
that civilization demands he betray a friend and respect the law over
personal honor and personal loyalty.



The judge continues insisting on this principle, so Conan crushes his skull with a joint of mutton he had been eating.





Posted by: ace at January 10, 2013 04:13 PM (LCRYB)

And that is why the other 8 judges decided in Conan's favor in "Conan vs. Universal/NBC", it is a great lesson for those interested in constitutional law.

Posted by: MrCaniac at January 10, 2013 04:37 PM (Zd/NW)

156 "The judge continues insisting on this principle, so Conan crushes his skull with a joint of mutton he had been eating.
"


Whoa ... Dude, you said "joint".

Posted by: Jeff Spicoli at January 10, 2013 04:38 PM (HjPtV)

157 i bet if one of those lezbo sportscasting womyn made the same comments they'd win an emmy....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 10, 2013 04:38 PM (GVxQo)

158 Yes, she is hawt
Posted by: Vic at January 10, 2013 04:26 PM (53z96)


I felt my bank account tremble in fear.

Posted by: cajun carrot at January 10, 2013 04:38 PM (UZQM8)

159
Remember Mac n' Tosh? They were too exceedingly polite British Gophers.

After you!
No, after you!
No, you first, I insist!

Posted by: Waldo Truth at January 10, 2013 04:38 PM (O8DFT)

160 151 EoJ,

The rule 10077 if your nation sells cars to mine defend your own fucking country Kim.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 10, 2013 04:38 PM (LRFds)

161 >> watching Gung Ho and Rising Sun

Sure that wasn't Gung Hoes and Riding Sun-yi

Posted by: Andy at January 10, 2013 04:38 PM (C/NnJ)

162 @141 Remember that the Japanese, to this day, treat an entire subsection of their population as if they were rodents. They're referred to as "burakumin". Lefties probably masturbate to the notion of having Tea Party types reduced to that sort of caste.

Posted by: MadisonConservative at January 10, 2013 04:38 PM (Y/HG5)

163
"Motherfucker, it wasn't MY IDEA to come here in the first place! If I wanted to smell pigshit 24/7 and cough up coal dust every morning, I'd move to... ! Well, Korea.

=====
Shoulda joined the Navy. Naples only smells like grease.

Posted by: USS Diversity at January 10, 2013 04:38 PM (MPjT8)

164 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 10, 2013 04:35 PM (A+odv)

Ah, yes, the ingratitude I definitely fault them for.

Posted by: KG at January 10, 2013 04:38 PM (p7BzH)

165 "We rejected a monarchist society with ridgid social
strata, and embraced an egalitarian society (within the bounds of
current thought), where the value of the man was intrinsic and not based
on heredity or position.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 10, 2013 04:26 PM (GsoHv)"

While I generally regard the Frankfurt School as intellectually bankrupt, they did have one interesting idea regarding European fascism, which was that it appeared on the scene just as European societies were overthrowing their class-based hierarchies and the main thrust of the fascist movements was to replace those hierarchies with different hierarchies, as if humans in general were unable to live in societies where hierarchies are not as clearly demarcated. The Frankfurt School thought it was simply ideological and based on the capitalist mode of production, but I suspect that there are probably deeper biological roots and as we delve deeper into the role of biology in politics, we will find those mechanisms.
I have long suspected that Western civilization, with its emphasis on reason and logic, is just too fucking complex to grasp for even a good proportion of people born into it, never mind people who aren't. While it was an interesting and fruitful short-term evolutionary adaptation, it is simply being overwhelmed by less complex "civilizations".

Posted by: BS Inc. at January 10, 2013 04:38 PM (eP0u9)

166 I've noticed that "Musburger" has almost as many ways of being spelled as Khadaffi.

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 10, 2013 04:39 PM (ryAWr)

167 What Brent Musburger did was not wince-worthy at all. We wince because we've been conditioned to wince. We winced because we knew that the man was about to get excoriated for being a man. What he said was akin to telling the kids, "Eat your spinach and you'll grow up big and strong." Good grief. Heaven forfend that a man should call a beauty queen...beautiful. The only thing offensive about Brent Musburger is his fake southern accent, having grown up in the Northwest.

Posted by: Matticus Finch at January 10, 2013 04:39 PM (0Mr4u)

168

We rejected a monarchist society with ridgid social strata, and embraced
an egalitarian society (within the bounds of current thought), where
the value of the man was intrinsic and not based on heredity or
position.


I'm not judging CBD.

but you said Social ritual evolved as a way to recognize the strata of society.

I do not believe in the least that we "rejected" social strata during the Revolution. That is a romantic and ahistorical view.

We simply made the nobility into a non-hereditary organ of society (and look where it got us)

Posted by: imp at January 10, 2013 04:39 PM (UaxA0)

169 he tradition of civility as a simple social lubricant can be subverted as a means to gain and exercise power, and that's exactly what's been happening for the past couple of generations.

sure, true, every society has a more formalized manner of dealing with strangers/showing respect for strangers or elders, and different rules apply. And sure, it's a useful social lubricant... up to a point. It can be used, and is now being used, as a method of demanding fealty to certain ideas.
Posted by: ace at January 10, 2013 04:33 PM (LCRYB)



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The caste system in India is a good example. Even though many come to the US, many still cling to being addressed according to that caste, especially from other Indians.

We had some trouble where I work over that.

Posted by: Soona at January 10, 2013 04:39 PM (HLXJ6)

170 I defer to ace's broader point about society, but I'll say this:

Old people should go out of their way to avoid mentioning or implying that they have ever had sex.

Fat people too.

Nothing's more annoying than trying to eat tuna fish while an old/fat/ugly person is on TV describing who they'd like to nail.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 10, 2013 04:39 PM (J7sV0)

171 I think a guy could be 80 and still think "I'd like to try to hit that!".
Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at January 10, 2013 04:34 PM (Cnqmv)

Sure, but not go on and on and on about it on national TV. He was drooling on the microphone. And to fair I hate that guy anyway

Posted by: Nevergiveup at January 10, 2013 04:40 PM (9Bj8R)

172 http://tinyurl.com/cgxdae2
OT: Very compelling essay on the value of the 2nd amendment, in an Op-Ed published by Pravda (yes that Pravda).

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at January 10, 2013 04:40 PM (9eDbm)

173 Oh, HT to Drudge for the Pravda article

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at January 10, 2013 04:40 PM (9eDbm)

174 So? He's old, not dead.
Posted by: Hugh Hefner at January 10, 2013 04:32 PM (MPjT

So?

Posted by: Dead Tom (Scroungen the town for chicks) at January 10, 2013 04:40 PM (obHYs)

175 or is Gabe going to ritually apologize for not seeing into the future?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 10, 2013 03:32 PM (GsoHv)



I want an apology for not being given access to the time machine ace totally doesn't have and doesn't let anyone but Mike Judge use.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Seriously, Sheldon/Penny to the end. at January 10, 2013 04:41 PM (VtjlW)

176 >>>While I generally regard the Frankfurt School as intellectually bankrupt, they did have one interesting idea regarding European fascism, which was that it appeared on the scene just as European societies were overthrowing their class-based hierarchies and the main thrust of the fascist movements was to replace those hierarchies with different hierarchies, as if humans in general were unable to live in societies where hierarchies are not as clearly demarcated. The Frankfurt School thought it was simply ideological and based on the capitalist mode of production, but I suspect that there are probably deeper biological roots and as we delve deeper into the role of biology in politics, we will find those mechanisms.

interesting idea. Makes sense. Also jibes with the notion that fascism often takes root in societies tending towards rejection of God; as one loses one's sense of place in the universe, a fascist program can exploit that feeling of lost-ness and offer a replacement.

Posted by: ace at January 10, 2013 04:41 PM (LCRYB)

177 Look, if this was your granddaughters school friend, then yes, one should keep ones comments to oneself. But she is a beauty queen. She prances around half naked for a living. She knew she would be shown on camera at the game. She was gracious. Her bf was gracious.

Posted by: Waldo Truth at January 10, 2013 04:41 PM (O8DFT)

178 124... The tradition of civility as a simple social lubricant can be subverted as a means to gain and exercise power, and that's exactly what's been happening for the past couple of generations. It's not so much a thing intrinsic to the practice as it is a sad function of human nature.
Posted by: Brother Cavil, High Priest of the Gods of the Copybook Headings at January 10, 2013 04:30 PM (GBXon)



*****

I agree. Social tools being subverted to gain leverage, happens in many ways, not just the apology-media complex.
e.g.-

"Tolerance" used as an intolerant hammer.
"Diversity" used to ostracize the 'other'.
"Civil discourse" used as a thin veil for hateful divisive language.


And it is sad. Ironic that (little 's') socialism seems to be so antisocial.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 10, 2013 04:41 PM (1OZSU)

179 Take that, Nick Searcy! You and your Peabody.

Posted by: Fritz at January 10, 2013 04:41 PM (/ZZCn)

180
I'm so sick of hearing my kids talk about being racist or stereotyping while driving them home from PRIVATE school. WTF? Constant debriefing and deprogramming necessary.

And I always, in all company, use the one syllable word "black" and not the seven syllable "African American". If I must, I then make sure to fit in my "Western European American" race.
People should just lighten up already.

Posted by: Justamom at January 10, 2013 04:41 PM (Sptt8)

181 CBD, send a cake on the USMCs birthday

Posted by: Jean at January 10, 2013 04:41 PM (74T7W)

182 :::160 151 EoJ,

The rule 10077 if your nation sells cars to mine defend your own fucking country Kim.:::

True dat.

"How about you have Hyundai and Daewoo stamp out some main battle tanks instead of Bongo trucks, Ah-dishi? Then I could head on back to Fort Living Room and stab the missus right between the pockets with my pork bayonet while you handle your own shit for a change, hooah?"

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 10, 2013 04:42 PM (A+odv)

183 Posted by: imp at January 10, 2013 04:39 PM (UaxA0)

Ignorance of social strata tended to get one killed, until ritual evolved to recognize it. So I stand by that comment.

And I do believe that we rejected social strata, as part of our casting off the strictures of European society. Did we replace it with something else? Of course, but our version was much more egalitarian than anything else.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 10, 2013 04:42 PM (GsoHv)

184
Nothing's more annoying than trying to eat tuna fish while an old/fat/ugly person is on TV describing who they'd like to nail.Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 10, 2013 04:39 PM (J7sV0)

Wrong. There's one thing more annoying: trying to eat tuna fish while some lesbian is on TV. It's just ... so wrong.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 10, 2013 04:43 PM (DXlwL)

185 justamom

yes, constant debriefing followed by immediate deprograming is necessary......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 10, 2013 04:43 PM (GVxQo)

186 EoJ, that was damned poetic.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 10, 2013 04:43 PM (UOM48)

187 Justamom, I go with Virginian when asked

Posted by: Jean at January 10, 2013 04:43 PM (74T7W)

188 >>The judge continues insisting on this principle, so Conan crushes his skull with a joint of mutton he had been eating.


Posted by: ace at January 10, 2013 04:13 PM (LCRYB)




There are very few things more convincing than legal precedent.

........and a decisively wielded mutton chop.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 10, 2013 04:44 PM (aZ6ew)

189 182
:::160 151 EoJ,



The rule 10077 if your nation sells cars to mine defend your own fucking country Kim.:::



True dat.



"How about you have Hyundai and Daewoo stamp out some main battle
tanks instead of Bongo trucks, Ah-dishi? Then I could head on back to
Fort Living Room and stab the missus right between the pockets with my
pork bayonet while you handle your own shit for a change, hooah?"

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 10, 2013 04:42 PM (A+odv)

Do you take Player's Club as payment for your newsletters?

Posted by: MrCaniac at January 10, 2013 04:45 PM (Zd/NW)

190 CBD, send a cake on the USMCs birthday

Posted by: Jean at January 10, 2013 04:41 PM (74T7W)

Ok, I admit it...I'm slow, because I have no idea what you mean.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 10, 2013 04:45 PM (GsoHv)

191 Along the way, we lose honesty.

Yep, isn't political correctness just a mechanism that forces people to lie.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 10, 2013 04:45 PM (l86i3)

192 Say, isn't this the same lesson "learned" by Monobit (or whoever that journalist's name was) when he let some "travelers" into his commune and they proceeded to steal everything? (I remember the post from a couple of weeks ago.) The lesson being, just rolling over and taking it is what the liberal says you should do, but it doesn't work in the real world.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 10, 2013 04:45 PM (DuH+r)

193 Mussberger will be pitching Viagra next month, laughing all the way to the bank

Posted by: Jean at January 10, 2013 04:46 PM (74T7W)

194 Ok, I admit it...I'm slow, because I have no idea what you mean.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 10, 2013 04:45 PM (GsoHv)



I believe it's meant to be a "subtle" hint to your wife's Japanese employee.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 10, 2013 04:46 PM (UOM48)

195 ""Tolerance" used as an intolerant hammer."

well liberals don't use "tolerance" in a generic way. they like to compare lots of their pet causes to the civil rights movement, the goal obviously being to make it so certain voices aren't treated as having legitimate objections to their policies.

intolerance is obviously part of this package -- "not tolerating intolerance" etc. -- so the back-and-forth about "who's more tolerant" is essentially meaningless. you have to kick out the underlying ideology behind their ideas if you want to make any headway.

Posted by: JDP at January 10, 2013 04:46 PM (60GaT)

196
"How about you have Hyundai and Daewoo stamp out some main battle
tanks instead of Bongo trucks, Ah-dishi? Then I could head on back to
Fort Living Room and stab the missus right between the pockets with my
pork bayonet while you handle your own shit for a change, hooah?"

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 10, 2013 04:42 PM (A+odv)


Best of Ace of Spades, volume 1 comment 3.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 10, 2013 04:46 PM (l86i3)

197 I want to write a full review, but I just want to mention that "Dredd" is worthy movie. I liked it a lot.

One thing: It's a very violent and darkly-minded movie. I would say that *within the category of dark, violent films,* it's tasteful and non-exploitative, but only *within* that category. It does veer on shock value horror quite frequently.

But very solid. The script seems almost written defensively or as a counter-example to all the crap you see in most "Sci Fi Action!" movies.

Posted by: ace at January 10, 2013 04:47 PM (LCRYB)

198 Musberger will never make Father of the Year, I'll bet. Not classy enough.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 10, 2013 04:47 PM (UOM48)

199 The most pervasive example of tatemae in American society is the job interview. The interviewee must perform a ritual to please the interviewer, according to a long list of do's and don'ts, both people knowing the whole thing is an elaborate sham of obliquy.

Posted by: gp at January 10, 2013 04:47 PM (+Jpqc)

200 Best of Ace of Spades, volume 1 comment 3.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 10, 2013 04:46 PM (l86i3)

Where's the Amazon link to that volume, damnit?

Posted by: KG at January 10, 2013 04:48 PM (p7BzH)

201 While it was an interesting and fruitful short-term
evolutionary adaptation, it is simply being overwhelmed by less complex
"civilizations".


Posted by: BS Inc. at January 10, 2013 04:38 PM (eP0u9)


You mean "Idiocracy" was a documentary.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 10, 2013 04:48 PM (bb5+k)

202
F List celebritard Kathy Griffin drops down on live TV and proceeds to kiss the zipper region of a confirmed gay guy during a New Year's Eve broadcast from one of the largest TV networks in the world.

Chuckle, chuckle, guffaw, oh, that gargoyle Kathy.....

Elderly sportscaster gives the basic equivalent of pretty much what every guy thinks when he sees a hot young girl dating a football player:

“Wow, you quarterbacks get all the good looking women, what a beautiful woman,”
“If you’re a youngster in Alabama, start getting the football out and throw it around the backyard with pops.”


I'd have continued: "Otherwise, you might get stuck with a pig like Kathy Griffin."

Do you think I have a future in broadcasting?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 10, 2013 04:48 PM (DXlwL)

203 I believe it's meant to be a "subtle" hint to your wife's Japanese employee.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 10, 2013 04:46 PM (UOM4

See? I told you I was slow.

Or maybe have a birthday party with compulsory attendance for everyone in the Tokyo office!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 10, 2013 04:48 PM (GsoHv)

204 ::o you take Player's Club as payment for your newsletters?:::

I have a newsletter?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 10, 2013 04:49 PM (A+odv)

205 190, to the employee in Tokyo who failed history, back at 130, I type slow

Posted by: Jean at January 10, 2013 04:49 PM (74T7W)

206 I want to write a full review, but I just want to mention that "Dredd" is worthy movie. I liked it a lot.

Me too. So far I've enjoyed all the remakes from last year.

Did the Dredd helmet thing strike you as odd?

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 10, 2013 04:49 PM (evdj2)

207 The most pervasive example of tatemae in American society is the job interview. The interviewee must perform a ritual to please the interviewer, according to a long list of do's and don'ts, both people knowing the whole thing is an elaborate sham of obliquy.
Posted by: gp at January 10, 2013 04:47 PM (+Jpqc)

Great point, they know already if they want you or not. They just want to see if you know what PC means and how to work the machine. Elaborate sham is well stated.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 10, 2013 04:50 PM (l86i3)

208 On a related note, Lance Armstrong will be making an appearance on Oprah for a ritual confession. Requesting absolution from Oprah must be an old American tradition.

Posted by: mrp at January 10, 2013 04:50 PM (HjPtV)

209 >>>The most pervasive example of tatemae in American society is the job interview. The interviewee must perform a ritual to please the interviewer, according to a long list of do's and don'ts, both people knowing the whole thing is an elaborate sham of obliquy.

good example. It's all such bullshit, but I suppose it's a case where the bullshit is necessary. I guess the employer needs to know if at least on your *best possible day* you can dress like and pretend to be a dutiful employee.

Posted by: ace at January 10, 2013 04:50 PM (LCRYB)

210
Ann Coulter had some interesting thoughts on the disparity of civility between liberals and conservatives and how they related to the overall mob consistency of the left in her book "Demonic".

The history of the French Revolution and LeBon's take on mob mentality is worth the read.

Posted by: jwest at January 10, 2013 04:50 PM (ZDsRL)

211 203, works even better if you can arrange to have a Marine veteran present, a tall, black one would ice it

Posted by: Jean at January 10, 2013 04:50 PM (74T7W)

212 208
On a related note, Lance Armstrong will be making an appearance on Oprah
for a ritual confession. Requesting absolution from Oprah must be an
old American tradition.




Will he ritually leave his balls with her, as well?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 10, 2013 04:51 PM (UOM48)

213 Where's the Amazon link to that volume, damnit?
Posted by: KG at January 10, 2013 04:48 PM (p7BzH)


What? You buy my book? I'm ripping you people off like a MFr.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 10, 2013 04:51 PM (l86i3)

214 "How about you have Hyundai and Daewoo stamp out some main battle tanks instead of Bongo trucks, Ah-dishi? Then I could head on back to Fort Living Room and stab the missus right between the pockets with my pork bayonet while you handle your own shit for a change, hooah?"
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 10, 2013 04:42 PM (A+odv)


---------------------------------------------------


And, once again, the eloquent musings of EoJ.

Posted by: Soona at January 10, 2013 04:51 PM (HLXJ6)

215 Posted by: Jean at January 10, 2013 04:49 PM (74T7W)

Gotcha! Great idea. I will suggest it, unless she fires the harpy before the next birthday.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 10, 2013 04:52 PM (GsoHv)

216 >>>Did the Dredd helmet thing strike you as odd?

the red part that made the sight-blocking "X" or just that he wore it the whole time?

That he wore it the whole time wasn't odd; people apparently complained about that with the Stallone one, so they were determined in that case to throw the fanboys that bone.

The X, yeah, obviously the helmet is very poor for visibility.

Posted by: ace at January 10, 2013 04:52 PM (LCRYB)

217
Will he ritually leave his balls with her, as well?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 10, 2013 04:51 PM (UOM4

Ball Jane, he only has one.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 10, 2013 04:52 PM (l86i3)

218
The history of the French Revolution and LeBon's take on mob mentality is worth the read.

Posted by: jwest at January 10, 2013 04:50 PM (ZDsRL)

I read that as Lebron...lol.

Posted by: KG at January 10, 2013 04:52 PM (p7BzH)

219 The judge continues insisting on this principle, so Conan crushes his skull with a joint of mutton he had been eating.

Through the broad arc of hominid history, violence has indeed been a solution to many thorny problems.

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 10, 2013 04:52 PM (BNacf)

220 ll he ritually leave his balls with her, as well?


Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 10, 2013 04:51 PM (UOM4


Ooooh, low blow......uh, I mean.......nevermind.

Posted by: Tami at January 10, 2013 04:52 PM (X6akg)

221 That Karl Urban never took it off.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 10, 2013 04:52 PM (evdj2)

222 Will he ritually leave his balls with her, as well?

Posted by: Vizzini at January 10, 2013 04:52 PM (O7Q1u)

223 I'm mean, it could have been anyone under there. Odd that an actor would go along with that.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 10, 2013 04:53 PM (evdj2)

224 Tami, check my e-mail to you and see if you agree.

Heh.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 10, 2013 04:53 PM (UOM48)

225 >>>Wrong. There's one thing more annoying: trying to eat tuna fish while some lesbian is on TV. It's just ... so wrong.

I imagine it would be difficult eating muffburgers whilst listening to Mussberger.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at January 10, 2013 04:53 PM (5FHfg)

226 Oh come on, Ace. It's not that bad. I mean, African-Americans are not calling whites "n***ers" and "boy" and telling them to get off the sidewalk.

Yet. Give it time.

Posted by: I. at January 10, 2013 04:53 PM (qFVoe)

227 Say, isn't this the same lesson "learned" by Monobit (or whoever that journalist's name was) when he let some "travelers" into his commune and they proceeded to steal everything? (I remember the post from a couple of weeks ago.) The lesson being, just rolling over and taking it is what the liberal says you should do, but it doesn't work in the real world.

Monbiot. Yes.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 10, 2013 04:53 PM (GFM2b)

228 >>>I'm mean, it could have been anyone under there. Odd that an actor would go along with that.

He did the mouth well.

I think an actor could take it as a challenge -- can I act with this blocking most of the thing I use to act? Maybe he did that. I think he pulled it off.

Posted by: ace at January 10, 2013 04:54 PM (LCRYB)

229 :::197 I want to write a full review, but I just want to mention that "Dredd" is worthy movie. I liked it a lot. :::

Oh yeah? I was wondering. Didn't think it could suck worse than the Stallone movie, but didn't want to take the chance. I loved the comics.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 10, 2013 04:54 PM (A+odv)

230 Posted by: Jean at January 10, 2013 04:50 PM (74T7W)

Reminds me of a buddy's commissioning. The marines sent two very tall, very good looking non-coms (one Black and one White) to the ceremony, in their dress uniforms. Every chick in the place wanted to have sex with them.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 10, 2013 04:54 PM (GsoHv)

231 Let me correct my previous post re Lance Armstrong:

Will he ritually leave what's left of his balls with her as well?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 10, 2013 04:54 PM (UOM48)

232 Will he ritually leave his balls with her, as well?
---
He only has one left.

Posted by: CUS at January 10, 2013 04:55 PM (84pE9)

233 224
Tami, check my e-mail to you and see if you agree.

Heh.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 10, 2013 04:53 PM (UOM4


Abso-fuckin-lutely. See reply.

Posted by: Tami at January 10, 2013 04:55 PM (X6akg)

234 I think an actor could take it as a challenge -- can I act with this blocking most of the thing I use to act? Maybe he did that. I think he pulled it off.

Hmm. Like Robin Williams in Bicentennial Man. Take a face actor, and more or less freeze his face.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 10, 2013 04:55 PM (evdj2)

235 Reminds me of a buddy's commissioning. The marines
sent two very tall, very good looking non-coms (one Black and one White)
to the ceremony, in their dress uniforms. Every chick in the place
wanted to have sex with them.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 10, 2013 04:54 PM (GsoHv)



Aack. Do. Not. Want. To. Hear.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 10, 2013 04:55 PM (UOM48)

236
"I read that as Lebron...lol."

Considering Lebron's background, he probably does have an interesting take on mob mentality.

Posted by: jwest at January 10, 2013 04:56 PM (ZDsRL)

237 230 CBD, get a sake in the Japanese girls, and they will embarrass themselves. Video would be appreciated.

Posted by: Jean at January 10, 2013 04:56 PM (74T7W)

238 Will he ritually leave what's left of his balls with her as well?

Taint a thing.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 10, 2013 04:56 PM (evdj2)

239 Tami, check my e-mail to you and see if you agree.

Heh.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 10, 2013 04:53 PM (UOM4


Abso-fuckin-lutely. See reply.
Posted by: Tami at January 10, 2013 04:55 PM (X6akg)

You wanna share with the rest of the class?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 10, 2013 04:56 PM (l86i3)

240 @ Toby, #223: I heard Karl Urban say that was his choice. Dredd never removed the helmet in the comic, and it was his choice to be faithful to the original.

Posted by: Keith Arnold at January 10, 2013 04:56 PM (n4EDK)

241
Wouldn'tcha think what with all the worrying about big issues like global warming, libtards could lighten up on this ultra touchy politically correct crap?

Just once I'd like to hear someone say "bite me" instead of apologizing.

Posted by: Justamom at January 10, 2013 04:57 PM (Sptt8)

242
We are now done with the revenue part of budget negotiations.


Huh?

........what?




Fine.

*rolls over on belly*

Posted by: Speaker of the House John Boehner at January 10, 2013 04:57 PM (UgFxe)

243 Was listening to my sports radio station today about this young woman, who is most attractive, thank you Bing Images. Apparently, she got a lot of attention, got a ton of requests for interviews, but only accepted one before her boyfriend shot her down. Said it was 'distracting' from the attention 'the team' should receive.

She needs a new boyfriend.

Posted by: Schrödinger's cat at January 10, 2013 04:57 PM (feFL6)

244 I worked for a Japanese Insurance Company whose personal auto policy holders were only Japanese working in the USA.

They made my job a living hell because besides all of the stereotypes about their driving being absolutely true, when they got into an accident which was not their fault, they would profusely apologize anyway.

What should have been an easy argumentof liability became a nightmare as the other party always brought up the fact that our policyholder apologized.

Posted by: polynikes from Lake Charles at January 10, 2013 04:58 PM (m2CN7)

245 Ann Coulter had some interesting thoughts on the disparity of civility between liberals and conservatives and how they related to the overall mob consistency of the left in her book "Demonic".

The right is polite, (for now), because we ARE packing. Woe be unto the left the day we decide to become UNcivil.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 10, 2013 04:58 PM (GFM2b)

246 >>>Oh yeah? I was wondering. Didn't think it could suck worse than the Stallone movie, but didn't want to take the chance. I loved the comics.

it's solid. One thing they do that I disapproved of: As the Stallone one was so silly and dumb, they removed all camp and irony and satire and humor from it.

But the comics themselves had that, and that works in this sort of story.

Like, the uniform. The uniform in the comic books is a parody of how fascists design uniforms -- operatic, intimidating, theatrical, almost feminine in their attempt to be over-the-top masculine. The Stallone movie actually got that detail right.

Here, they fight against that and present a much more subdued and functional uniform. I would have rather it be closer to the Fascist Fashion Show idea.

His gun, also, is not oversized. It SHOULD be oversized, almost comic. (And as far as function it would have to be big, as it also shoots grenades, for crying out loud.) But they restrain themselves and his gun looks like a real gun, not particularly big.

I think they ran away so much from the Stallone film they lost some good parts of the comic.

But, still, though over-subdued and over-serious, very solid.

Posted by: ace at January 10, 2013 04:58 PM (LCRYB)

247 shut down the govt. during the continuing resolution and party like it's 1995

Posted by: JDP at January 10, 2013 04:58 PM (60GaT)

248 You wanna share with the rest of the class?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon.
http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 10, 2013 04:56 PM (l86i3)



Just a suspicion as to cat lady's new moniker.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 10, 2013 04:58 PM (UOM48)

249 240, cuts down on the film budget for lead actor too, good call

Posted by: Jean at January 10, 2013 04:59 PM (74T7W)

250 Oh yeah? I was wondering. Didn't think it could suck worse than the Stallone movie, but didn't want to take the chance. I loved the comics.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 10, 2013 04:54 PM (A+odv)


------------------------------------------------


The best part of the Stallone movie was the death match with the metal-headed freak in the cave. Love that scene.

Posted by: Soona at January 10, 2013 04:59 PM (HLXJ6)

251 And Olivia Thirlby never put a helmet on. Yeah yeah, they explained that but. Odd.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 10, 2013 04:59 PM (evdj2)

252 You wanna share with the rest of the class?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon.
http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 10, 2013 04:56 PM (l86i3)



Just agreeing on a what we think is a new sighting of someone we all know and love.

Posted by: Tami at January 10, 2013 04:59 PM (X6akg)

253 Hmm. Like Robin Williams in Bicentennial Man. Take a face actor, and more or less freeze his face.
Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 10, 2013 04:55 PM (evdj2)

*****

Yeah- like Jim Carrey in "The Mask". Oh, wait, never mind...

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 10, 2013 05:00 PM (1OZSU)

254 >>>And Olivia Thirlby never put a helmet on. Yeah yeah, they explained that but. Odd.

it was necessary that SOMEONE had a human face and showed emotion.

You can get away with one of the main characters being very professional and having almost no emotions at all, but someone somewhere has to present a human face to the audience.

Plus she's cute.

Posted by: ace at January 10, 2013 05:00 PM (LCRYB)

255 Just a suspicion as to cat lady's new moniker.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 10, 2013 04:58 PM (UOM4


I thought it was Hopeless.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 10, 2013 05:00 PM (l86i3)

256
Strange how people in the media can tell outright lies about my conservative beliefs, values and proclivities, and tell them to millions of people, but cannot "get away" with doing something that is completely honest like mentioning that a beautiful woman is beautiful.

Posted by: sherlock at January 10, 2013 05:00 PM (mnKhG)

257 Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 10, 2013 04:58 PM (UOM4

Caustic?

Posted by: polynikes from Lake Charles at January 10, 2013 05:00 PM (m2CN7)

258 Ewwwwwwww which nic?

Posted by: phoenixgirl so done with the GOP at January 10, 2013 05:01 PM (uSIFq)

259 Ace, the Judge Dredd uniforms are dead ringers for the Brazilian MilitaryPolice Motorcycle uniform.

Posted by: Jean at January 10, 2013 05:01 PM (74T7W)

260 Caustic?

Posted by: polynikes from Lake Charles at January 10, 2013 05:00 PM (m2CN7)

Yep.

Posted by: Tami at January 10, 2013 05:01 PM (X6akg)

261
I'm so terribly glad and happy that I don't follow any of that PC bullshit. I don't recognize "class" since I'm an American and we don't do that sort of thing. We are all the same in God's eyes. I don't have much of a filter and I will occasionally say the wrong thing.

I don't really care.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 10, 2013 05:01 PM (yiIja)

262 Posted by: polynikes from Lake Charles at January 10, 2013 05:00 PM (m2CN7)



meow

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 10, 2013 05:01 PM (UOM48)

263 Caustic?
Posted by: polynikes from Lake Charles at January 10, 2013 05:00 PM (m2CN7)

I think that's a concearn troll. Catpiss was never that in your face.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 10, 2013 05:02 PM (l86i3)

264 >> Plus she's cute.

The bloggers' guild demands a ritual apology from Ace in 3 ... 2 ...

Posted by: Andy at January 10, 2013 05:02 PM (C/NnJ)

265 >>>Ace, the Judge Dredd uniforms are dead ringers for the Brazilian MilitaryPolice Motorcycle uniform.

fair enough. But that's why I missed the uniform-- because while the comic book look might be silly, it's the type of silly that *really exists.*

The film really just moves completely away from that and presents a functional sort of thing. No Huge Golden Eagle, and the badge isn't as big.

Posted by: ace at January 10, 2013 05:02 PM (LCRYB)

266 Beauty queens with big racks like quarterbacks Musburger? Quick what's her number?

Posted by: Brett Favres Penis at January 10, 2013 05:02 PM (gkfSV)

267 Luke Kuechly named Defensive Rookie of the Year. Gotta love Boston College, they don't win a lot but they sure do churn out some players.

Posted by: lincolntf at January 10, 2013 05:03 PM (ZshNr)

268 I want to write a full review, but I just want to mention that "Dredd" is worthy movie. I liked it a lot.


Thank you, I was hoping it was good.


What I think is interesting is the assumption that apologies must be accepted. No, no they do not. I had a few occasions at my previous employer where apologies were offered to me and I refused to accept the apology because the apology was a. insincere and b. was being offered in lieu of fixing the situation. When I flatly replied "I do not accept that apology" it was like I had killed a puppy.

I pointed out on one occasion that all of it was a sham and I refused to play the game. If the person really was sorry, they'd stop doing the thing they'd promised would never happen again and that had happened four times since then. That was the only apology that mattered. Apparently, that made me the bad person for not abiding by the ritual.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Seriously, Sheldon/Penny to the end. at January 10, 2013 05:03 PM (VtjlW)

269 I don't have much of a filter and I will occasionally say the wrong thing.

I don't really care.

Just occaisonally? I'm hitting "frequently" & aiming for "quite frequently" this year.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 10, 2013 05:04 PM (GFM2b)

270 Well, this is a shock. NRA has issued a statement that the meeting with Sheriff Joe was "disappointing."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 10, 2013 05:04 PM (UOM48)

271 Dude, God Bless Brent!!
She's a goddess and he called it, as a MAN.
At the exact same time he was saying it, I was thinking it.
I'm surprised he just didn't blurt out "Fucking hot!!!" like I did when the camera showed her.
The only ones offended are wymyn-types, and their political allies (who probably agree with Brent's assessment, but would put on their PC hair shirts and self-flagellate for their impure thoughts).
The lesbians I know would be elbowing me out of the way to get their licks in, and would've been in complete agreement with Brent, and not at all offended.

Posted by: Uncle Jefe at January 10, 2013 05:04 PM (PCegp)

272 The movie "Twelve O'Clock High" is on Netflix. Masculine values sure have changed over the last 70 years.

Posted by: mrp at January 10, 2013 05:05 PM (HjPtV)

273 The comment 144

Could have been written by "it"

Posted by: phoenixgirl so done with the GOP at January 10, 2013 05:05 PM (uSIFq)

274 Ace, did you see the Solomon Kane movie?

Posted by: Jean at January 10, 2013 05:06 PM (74T7W)

275
Ace,

If you missed seeing "Dredd" on a giant 3D screen, you sort of missed out.

Absolutely the best use of 3D I've ever seen in a movie. Plus it amped up the brutality to levels of esthetic beauty.

Plus, as a huge bonus, almost no exposition from characters. Character revealed through action is the sign of great writing and directing.

Too bad "Dredd" failed at the box office because I'd be first in line to see a new one if it was from the same crew.

Posted by: naturalfake at January 10, 2013 05:06 PM (UgFxe)

276 ::::His gun, also, is not oversized. It SHOULD be oversized, almost comic. (And as far as function it would have to be big, as it also shoots grenades, for crying out loud.) But they restrain themselves and his gun looks like a real gun, not particularly big. ::;

Really. It's the Lawgiver! Set that sucker to "frappé" and dispense some justice!

I hear you about the uniforms. The judges looked like Bolivian generals. Or New York City doormen. Either-or.

They did the same with X-Men.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at January 10, 2013 05:06 PM (A+odv)

277 It's regression to the mean. The Judeo Christian religious tradition combined with Anglo Saxon ethics could only hold it back for so long. Once those became passé our society became more about getting over than helping out. So we turned into a bunch of poo flingers in lime green crocs.

Posted by: Brett Favres Penis at January 10, 2013 05:07 PM (gkfSV)

278 I wonder if Munchberger would have gotten in more trouble if after his cohost predictably would havecommented on how good looking she was he would have just said

" Eh, she's okay , I guess"

Posted by: polynikes at January 10, 2013 05:07 PM (m2CN7)

279 270, so Joe didn't like the Mussolini print?

Posted by: Jean at January 10, 2013 05:07 PM (74T7W)

280 Well, this is a shock. NRA has issued a statement that the meeting with Sheriff Joe was "disappointing."
Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 10, 2013 05:04 PM (UOM4


-----------------------------------------------


I hope the NRA didn't sign a non-discloser form. I'd like to know what was said.

Posted by: Soona at January 10, 2013 05:07 PM (HLXJ6)

281 277 It's regression to the mean. The Judeo Christian religious tradition combined with Anglo Saxon ethics could only hold it back for so long. Once those became passé our society became more about getting over than helping out. So we turned into a bunch of poo flingers in lime green crocs.
Posted by: Brett Favres Penis at January 10, 2013 05:07 PM (gkfSV)


*******

Who would have thought a football player's organ could be so erudite!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 10, 2013 05:09 PM (1OZSU)

282 Poly

He would be crucified

Posted by: phoenixgirl so done with the GOP at January 10, 2013 05:09 PM (uSIFq)

283
Yeah, I was just trying to be polite, in my own way.

I also have this thing where people can "feel" me looking at them. Makes them uncomfortable as hell. Experiments with that are usually a lot of fun. I'm convinced that good-looking girl's asses get warm, which causes them to turn around to see who's looking.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 10, 2013 05:09 PM (yiIja)

284 Posted by: Uncle Jefe at January 10, 2013 05:04 PM (PCegp)

Whats funny is her Daddy said he's been dealing with it her whole life. Thruth is, look in her eyes, past the perfect face, and you will see someone that will go upside and individuals head if necessary.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, Author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. http://tinyurl.com/ahc8poj at January 10, 2013 05:10 PM (l86i3)

285 Good thing Brent Mussberger wasn't calling any LSU games. He'd be out of a job.


http://tinyurl.com/b9b4dx3




Posted by: EC at January 10, 2013 04:27 PM (GQ8sn)


Holy shit!

Posted by: Samuel Adams at January 10, 2013 05:11 PM (ZOf1l)

286 Absolutely the best use of 3D I've ever seen in a movie.

So the trips down the air shaft were striking, I'll bet.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 10, 2013 05:11 PM (evdj2)

287 Good thing Brent Mussberger wasn't calling any LSU games. He'd be out of a job.http://tinyurl.com/b9b4dx3Posted by: EC at January 10, 2013 04:27 PM (GQ8sn)


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Krikey!

Posted by: Soona at January 10, 2013 05:13 PM (HLXJ6)

288 Experiments with that are usually a lot of fun. I'm convinced that good-looking girl's asses get warm, which causes them to turn around to see who's looking.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at January 10, 2013 05:09 PM (yiIja)

*****

Hey BB- maybe you are merelynearsighted andthey feel you panting/drooling. You should see an optometrist.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 10, 2013 05:13 PM (1OZSU)

289 There was another part to this. In the Cotton Bowl, cameras turned to Johnny Football, who was chest-bumping, yelling, etc. to celebrate his team's performance. The few times the cameras went to McMarron (don't even remember his name, which underscores my point), he was pretty much on his own. No conversations. Sat by himself. Very little emotion. Boring. I thought at the time, Mussberger was working with what he had.

Posted by: Wenda (sic) at January 10, 2013 05:14 PM (IIInQ)

290 On a related note, Lance Armstrong will be making an appearance on Oprah
for a ritual confession. Requesting absolution from Oprah must be an
old American tradition.


If I were Lance Armstrong the only thing I would confess and beg for forgiveness was that part of his life when he actually banged Sheryl Crow.

Posted by: Samuel Adams at January 10, 2013 05:14 PM (ZOf1l)

291 >>>Plus, as a huge bonus, almost no exposition from characters. Character revealed through action is the sign of great writing and directing.

Yeah, it's strange: I though the action was so-so. It was efficient but not terrifically exciting.

But I found the characters credible and likable (particularly the girl -- Dredd is such a tough-ass professional you don't really "like" him, per se; he's not vulnerable, you know?) that I was interested in their situation and their resolution.

There's a scene early in the film that won me over. When Dredd gets assigned the girl to evaluate as a rookie. He DOES NOT SAY "I WORK ALONE!" Or get all pissy about it, like every other fucking action hero does.

Now, you can tell he's not happy about it, but he doesn't say so, and doesn't behave like an emotional-basket case passive-aggressive twat about it in his dealings with her.

We infer he's not happy -- inference! What an idea. And yet he doesn't act all ridiculous about it-- he's a professional, and treats her as he's been ordered, without any of his emotions about it coming through.

He has a great understated line that subtly reveals his character. His boss says she's a marginal candidate for a Judge, as she only failed the qualification test by three points.

He simply says: "It's not marginal. She failed."

And that's the extent of his editorializing and emotion on the subject. Having said that, he then executes his orders professionally and without bitching about it... like a professional would in real life.

Posted by: ace at January 10, 2013 05:15 PM (LCRYB)

292 Well, this is a shock. NRA has issued a statement that the meeting with Sheriff Joe was "disappointing."


Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 10, 2013 05:04 PM (UOM4

Someone over at Free Republic is claiming that Joe Biden said:

"If you don't register your guns, the government will confiscate them."

Probably crap, but if not, it would be a Godsend.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 10, 2013 05:18 PM (bb5+k)

293 re: "Also jibes with the notion that fascism often takes root in societies tending towards rejection of God; as one loses one's sense of place in the universe, a fascist program can exploit that feeling of lost-ness and offer a replacement."

That's Nietzsche's "God is dead" thing. But people get pissed at it without reading it, because that's what people (have to) do. Like he also said.

Where you find yourself thinking a Frankfurt School idea is right, that's usually where they've stuffed a Marx doll with Nietzsche so they could smuggle it through academy security. He was a forbidden knowledge-source at the time, and even now is really only allowed to be portrayed as serving somebody else's today's-lefty ideas.

Anyway, that's boring.

I have to point out again, because nobody likes it, so they won't look at it, that the supposedly non-offended woman in this case isn't being "reasonable" or even sane at all. She said that if somebody had said she was "sexy" or "hot," that would be "derogatory," and so of course she would be offended and calling for heads. But since nobody used the most accurate words, the ones on the very tip of her tongue, to describe the painted-whore look she puts on (elaborately), everything's cool...this time.

But she's warning you. Better know your role.

She's on the side of the assholes.

Posted by: oblig. at January 10, 2013 05:21 PM (cePv8)

294 I don't know any attractive females that were offended by the comments Brent made. On the other hand have you seen Sue Carter from Michigan State? (She's the one that so offended.)


Pretty ugly and pretty butch. Surprise.....not.

Posted by: mare at January 10, 2013 05:23 PM (A98Xu)

295 >>>Posted by: ace at January 10, 2013 04:47 PM (LCRYB)

Thanks ace, that one has been on my "I wonder?" list. Given the pathetic first attempt at the Dredd material I wasn't optimistic.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 10, 2013 05:23 PM (0q2P7)

296 All this apology theater is a luxury of a society still wealthy enough for all the drama of the butthurt du jour

In an economic disaster, any spaghetti armed lefty with Dave Brubeck glasses will get the answer of "MAKE ME, ASSHOLE" to any whiny demand for an apology

Then he or she will feel a blunt object to the ribs for lingering too long instead of getting out to the fucking way

Posted by: kbdabear at January 10, 2013 05:29 PM (wwsoB)

297 yeah I like it, I think most people who are vaguely interested in the premise or the character would like it.

Another place the movie falls down a little is this: I'm not sure what the rules are concerning the use of lethal force. There do seem to be some rules (which Dredd abides by, early on) but late in the movie he kills people without giving fair warning.... But I guess the movie is credible enough that I even bother to ask this question, that it seems like a real enough world where such a nit-picky question is even worth asking.

Posted by: ace at January 10, 2013 05:29 PM (LCRYB)

298 >>>he kills people without giving fair warning
ehhh. I assume they are something like most ROE regarding criminals, wherein, if it doesn't compromise your survivability you are supposed to warn them. Also in Dredd universe Judges do have the ability to carry out an on the spot death sentence for capital crimes, so IDK, I'll have to watch it and see.

Oh btw ace. Did you get permission from the True Internet Warriors Consortium® to discuss non-political material?


Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 10, 2013 05:39 PM (0q2P7)

299 As a former major college qb, the problem is, those women are for us and us only.

So, dream on, Brent. (horseteeth)

Posted by: Opus An Arcus at January 10, 2013 05:40 PM (EdGYI)

300

Man needs a god, and a place in society.

That god can be a demon and that place in society can be in the muck of a gutter, but man needs it nonetheless.

That's why this "open society" we have now is so disjointed, disorienting, and crumbling.

Soon now, all too soon I fear, the natural hierarchies of force and wealth will begin to reassert themselves more forcefully.

Posted by: imp at January 10, 2013 05:41 PM (UaxA0)

301 I've been saying the same thing for years. Problem is I do it in less than 15 paragraphs so no one cares to listen.

Posted by: WTP at January 10, 2013 05:44 PM (F26eZ)

302 Ace, great post.

"some people pretend to take ritual offense, and then some people demand a ritual apology,"

You know a good example of this?

[Anyone else here love The Prehistory of the Far Side?]

There was a Far Side cartoon in which a jealous-wife gorilla confronts her husband-gorilla:

"Another blond hair! Doing more research with that Jane Goodall tramp?"

In the Prehistory, Gary Larson comments that not long after the cartoon came out, he and his publisher received a threatening letter from someone representing the Jane Goodall Institute (or some such).

The letter read him the riot act for publicly calling a woman a tramp, and for attacking the reputation of this fine scientist. It vaguely threatened libel proceedings.

So he's in limbo for awhile, feeling terrible if he gave offense, especially as he's always admired Goodall and her work.

Eventually it turns out:

- Goodall was incommunicado in Africa when this all blew up.

- Goodall had no idea that someone had taken umbrage on her behalf.

- Goodall LOVED the cartoon.

Posted by: JPS at January 10, 2013 05:45 PM (QhzoI)

303 So I missed the video clip, was there actual "hooting" and "slobbering" going on?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 10, 2013 05:46 PM (ROv35)

304 [I left out the accusatory scare quotes on "research."]

Posted by: JPS at January 10, 2013 05:47 PM (QhzoI)

305
I apologize. I'm ... sorry.

I'm sorry we had to defend ourselves against an unwarranted attack. I'm sorry that your crew was
stupid enough to fire on a station filled with a quarter million civilians, including your own people. And I'm sorry I waited as long as I did before I blew them all straight to hell.

As with everything else, it's the thought that counts.


http://youtu.be/S8vA0ANTUM0

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie ® at January 10, 2013 06:59 PM (1hM1d)

306 As Gooood As It Is To Be The King, Even Better Is Being King Forever.

obama-signs-law-giving-himself-bush-lifetime-secret-service

http://tinyurl.com/a3uk695


Let It Fucking Burn.

Posted by: BuddyPC at January 10, 2013 07:04 PM (jfUIE)

307 I got about halfway through, and my addled brain started thinking that the article was about Islam and dhimmitude. Now how did that happen?

Posted by: AmericanBTGoG at January 10, 2013 07:35 PM (3bhs0)

308 Sounds like somethingthat happened to me while joking with a counterpart one day at work. Someone else heard us and complained that she was offended we were joking with each other.

Posted by: Vince at January 10, 2013 07:47 PM (E0qlS)

309 I have an idea. From now on, before commenting on how physically attractive a woman is instead of apologizing we should simply preface our statement with the qualifier that the chick in question is a retarded slut who's only good for blasting a load of baby batter into,like so:

"I just want to say,Heidi Klum is a retarded fuckdoll with no redeeming personal qualities other than her superior cum dumpster qualities, but damn she's hot!"

I figure it'll work sort of like kicking somebody in the balls to take their mind off a toothache. When the dumb cunts realize how much worse it can be than"Nice tits,hun.",they'll shut the fuck up and go back to what they're good at, which is making sandwiches (And definitely not having sex. Today's women are lucky I'm willing to do all of the work required to bust a nut. If they came with those little cards you get from hotels they'd get poor marks in everything from cleanliness to professional demeanor from me and a lot of other dudes. Back in the 70's they sucked dick like their careers depended on it,mostly because they did.).

I still haven't gotten an apology from women for Twilight, I'm definitely not going to apologize to them for being heterosexual first. All of the crap they do that isn't getting naked or food preparation-related irritates the ever-lovin' shit out of me but you don't see me busting on them for it unless they start some shit with me first. If they're not morbidly obese they dress and act like men,that's disgusting enough as far as it goes,but then they open their retarded dick hole and start spouting a bunch of histrionic bullshit so they can be repulsive both visually and audibly.

At this point they should really just count their blessings that anyone finds them physically attractive at all rather than trying to dictate who is allowed to display attraction to them.

Posted by: Duncan at January 11, 2013 07:32 AM (LaeVK)

310 How's this for an idea: Male sports commentators should keep their erections to themselves and just cover the fucking games.

Posted by: SFC MAC at January 11, 2013 12:29 PM (TLbgU)






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