The Unburstable Bubble of Willful Ignorance of the International Self-Purported Elites

I was just writing about this basic idea yesterday (and I've written about it a lot, and I'm sure you've noticed it plenty on your own).

As I mentioned with regard to Piers Morgan, there is a certain level of pride that attaches to being ignorant of those one considers his inferiors. After all, it's the natural duty of the simple shopkeeper to know the names of the Great Lords, but it is not the duty of the Great Lords to know the names of the shopkeepers. In fact, it's the Great Lords' class obligation to go out of their way not to know the names of the shopkeepers, because this Duty to Know flows in one direction -- upwards -- and hence ignorance of one's lessers tends to solidify and reify the assumptions of certain castes being superior to others. It makes certain that everyone understands who's important, and who's not.

(I know, I sound like a communist-- I can't help it. I have to agree with Dennis the Peasant -- "I mean, class is what it's all about." I guess I would say I'm agreeing with the communist critique of the rigid reification of class structures, but I happen to think the communists and their pink fellow travelers have largely captured the upper classes. I guess by my theory they're so good at this because they've spent so long plotting vengeance for the exact same slights (which they largely imagined). In a similar way they've gotten quite good at blacklisting and guilt-by-association, eh?)

At any rate, it is your duty to know the values and customs of living of Piers Morgan, but due to his high station (ahem) he is proudly ignorant of yours. As is so often the case in our increasingly dysfunctional and nasty politics -- in which certain parties refuse to even admit that their opponents are free citizens entitled to have beliefs at all -- the Out-Classes are deemed all-but-officially Beneath Notice.

Michael Totten has written a crackerjack piece -- or at least I think it is -- about this principle in action among our foreign policy sages, the internationalist "elite." He detects the exact same sort of phenomenon going on when the International "elite" visit foreign nations -- because anyone who doesn't share 90% of their cultural values (and the wealth that permits/encourages these values -- the International Elite is not middle-class!) is beneath notice and not worth knowing about, they don't bother asking anyone but the 3% of the population which largely shares their beliefs and cultural inputs about their intentions and their political agenda.

Which means, in Egypt, they only ask the jet-setting wealthy Westernized elite about the prognosis for Egyptian democracy. And in Lebanon, they only ask the educated, urbane population of Beirut about their desires for the country.

And they ignore all the "Dirty People," the low people who aren't worth networking with and probably wouldn't be any fun to have a sexual affair with. Unfortunately -- and this has huge consequences for American foreign policy -- it turns out those Dirty Poor People greatly, greatly outnumber the small coteries of educated elites that cluster in every capital country.

And we don't know about them, because they're Beneath Notice, and our elites are too busy clinking champagne glasses in the main ballroom of the local Ritz-Carlton franchise.

And so our "elites" -- and honestly, we need to start looking for a more accurate discriptor -- come back with completely-wrong information about foreign countries.

Why, as Totten says (changing the words a bit), "All of these Egyptians are swell, educated, moderate, sexually-loose cosmopolitans! Why, democracy has a smashing chance of working out here!"

Yeah, not so much. Not so much.

Yet Another Example... of our current practice of making important policy decisions based upon little except the learned habit of ostentatious class disdain.

You notice that at this late date, with a major policy campaign against the dreaded Semi. Automatic. Weapon., that most of these guys still haven't bothered to discover what a semi-automatic is?

That's a learned habit. They are signalling to other members of their class (or the class they aspire to) that they consider such knowledge base, the sort of thing known by the dirty callous-handed illiterates of the rabble and certainly not by the Lords of Intellect.

I mean, it's like a recipe for 'Possum Stew. To even know the thing would reduce you in status. Knowledge about guns is something the lower classes have; the criminal class, the agrarian workers (the peasantry), the lesser Servitor Classes of policemen and armed guards and military betas.

What could possibly explain such ignorance at this point, except a calculated, learned ignorance of the habits of one's putative lessers?

Posted by: Ace at 11:36 AM



Comments

1 Leftists/statists fail because their policies ignore human nature.

Aldous Huxley is by far the most likely, and therefore the most dangerous, path to tyranny.

That is why mockery is essential. You can't beat mockery. It works every time.

Posted by: Prescient11 at January 09, 2013 11:38 AM (tVTLU)

2 2nd class

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka 3 tooth) at January 09, 2013 11:38 AM (3E2th)

3 And so our "elites" -- and honestly, we need to start looking for a more accurate discriptor



In the Age of Obama (pbuh) it would be our "New Aristocracy."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2013 11:39 AM (UOM48)

4 >>>
Aldous Huxley is by far the most likely, and therefore the most dangerous, path to tyranny.

I guess I have to read this book.

I got the sense it was very boring. I skimmed the first few chapters.

Posted by: ace at January 09, 2013 11:40 AM (LCRYB)

5 I stopped supporting or idealizing liberalism in the '70's when I found out that all those who cried out about conformity and the establishment had only one goal; to conform and to become the establishment

Sadly they've achieved their goal. And now we must pay.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka 3 tooth) at January 09, 2013 11:40 AM (3E2th)

6 Ace I do NOT know the recipe for possum stew....

it was my job to help get the possum.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 09, 2013 11:40 AM (LRFds)

7 I know what wine to serve with possum.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at January 09, 2013 11:40 AM (qOX+D)

8 I have no idea what this post is about.

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at January 09, 2013 11:41 AM (GQ8sn)

9 I mean, it's like a recipe for 'Possum Stew. To even know the thing would reduce you in status.



*sigh* I know waaaaaay too much about the New Year's Eve Possum Drop in Brasstown, NC.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2013 11:41 AM (UOM48)

10 Is this the same Ace who, more than once, scoffed at the notion of a "GOP establishment" talking about an "international elite", much as, oh, Alex Jones does?

Methinks that interview had more of an impact than we realize.

Posted by: MadisonConservative at January 09, 2013 11:41 AM (Y/HG5)

11

So tired of this new PR Bombardment from all facets of the left on trying to destroy the 2nd Amendment. (as they did with healthcare)

You see, while Gawker is a pos site or not, every single, tiny corner of the leftist universe is being bombarded with anti-gun sh*t.

The left creates classes of "news" levels/tiers, and exploits every single one of them.

We need to burn every single, tiny corner of the leftist universe.

*repost since I caught the end of the last wave: going back to work...

Posted by: beach at January 09, 2013 11:42 AM (LpQbZ)

12 Possum? That's uppity!!

Posted by: Ollie OWillus at January 09, 2013 11:42 AM (0It32)

13 And so our "elites" -- and honestly, we need to start looking for a more accurate discriptor



In the Age of Obama (pbuh) it would be our "New Aristocracy."


Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2013 11:39 AM (UOM4


The perfect catch-all term is "Cocksuckers"

Posted by: Captain Hate (dagny 2013 return tour?) at January 09, 2013 11:42 AM (zd6zr)

14 Ace,

You absolutely must. In fact, Huxley and Orwell wrote to each other to discuss the future of mankind and political power.

Orwell was convinced of the 1984 brutal oppressive power regime.

Huxley was convinced of "soma" free drugs that had no side effects, genetically controlled IQ and birthing methods, free sex with everyone, etc. It is mind blowing considering movements in the culture.

Huxley is much much closer to where I think we are going. That is, unless these idiots take the wrong path down 1984 as they are so wont to do with our fundamental civil rights like the 2nd Amendment. They might screw up the gradual decay they are so rooting for.

Posted by: Prescient11 at January 09, 2013 11:42 AM (tVTLU)

15 and honestly, we need to start looking for a more accurate discriptor

I like "Neo-Feudalists". (I realize there's nothing really "neo" about their vision of them in charge and us serfs toiling in the dirt, but still).

But as I like to say lately, an awful lot of people who fancy themselves the nomenklatura in waiting are far more likely to find themselves the Trotskys in waiting if they get their Glorious Peoples Revolution.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 09, 2013 11:42 AM (B/VB5)

16 "The Aristocrats!" snicker, snicker, snicker.

Posted by: Idaho Spudboy at January 09, 2013 11:43 AM (1+CnU)

17 I guess I have to read this book.



I got the sense it was very boring. I skimmed the first few chapters.


It was.

Alphas and Betas rule the land with all the sex and drugs you want. That's about it.

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at January 09, 2013 11:43 AM (GQ8sn)

18 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 09, 2013 11:43 AM (5DR1j)

19 and here's the Seether angry again that he's not getting more attention.

Hey, dummy? I have written this same basic piece five times a year for eight years.

Stop playing your goddamned stupid games with me, Madison Conservative. What you seek to prove with your every shitty Look-At-Me post cannot be proven, not in comments.

Go fucking get a blog audience, dude. Then you can prove what a big man you are.

Posted by: ace at January 09, 2013 11:43 AM (LCRYB)

20 I like "Neo-Feudalists".

Second.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 09, 2013 11:43 AM (5DR1j)

21 Modern Feudalism. That's all communism ever was.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 09, 2013 11:44 AM (bb5+k)

22 Charlie Gibson sock off.

Posted by: EC at January 09, 2013 11:44 AM (GQ8sn)

23 Progressivism has always seemed to me to be more about looks and appearance rather than about performance and results.

It's why they're so concerned about perceptions and labels.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka 3 tooth) at January 09, 2013 11:44 AM (3E2th)

24
I guess I have to read this book.



I got the sense it was very boring. I skimmed the first few chapters.

Posted by: ace at January 09, 2013 11:40 AM (LCRYB)


You could watch the movie.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 09, 2013 11:45 AM (bb5+k)

25 I'm so fucking sick of the seethingly angry brigade, especially the insecure members of it who want to turn everything into a contest.

Fucking pathetic chumps coming along every day just to show "Hey, I'm better than this guy!"

then go prove it, dude. You can tell how threatened I am by how fearfully I refrain from commenting there.

Posted by: ace at January 09, 2013 11:45 AM (LCRYB)

26 Speaking of elitists, Cuomo's picture on Drudge is disturbing. He's making a finger gun!!1111!!!!!

*gasp*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2013 11:45 AM (UOM48)

27 Bravo Ace, this is the same way they have captured popular entertainment and the culture, and thus the low info voter.

Recall the fawning article in Vogue as they praised Assad's wife as thoroughly modern, educated and fashionable. By the time it was in print her husband was killing tens of thousands of Syrians. Tortures handmaiden, in fact.

Below a review of that article in Vogue by the WaPo of all places,

It may have been the worst-timed, and most tin-eared, magazine article in decades.

“Asma al-Assad is glamorous, young, and very chic — the freshest and most magnetic of first ladies,” writer Joan Juliet Buck began her profile of Syria’s first lady in Vogue last year. Amid descriptions of Assad’s “energetic grace” and Christian Louboutin shoes, Buck wrote: “The 35-year-old first lady’s central mission is to change the mind-set of six million Syrians under eighteen, encourage them to engage in what she calls ‘active citizenship.’ ”

Well, perhaps. But just as Buck’s profile appeared, Assad’s husband, Bashar al-Assad, began a bloody crackdown on his opponents. Since then, about 9,000 Syrians have been slaughtered by security forces loyal to Assad, Syria’s hereditary president.

Meanwhile, rather than the progressive, arts-loving, British-educated banker of Buck’s telling, Asma al-Assad has emerged as the Marie Antoinette of the Arab Spring. E-mails leaked by Syrian opposition groups last month showed that she was involved in shopping online for jewelry, chandeliers and designer shoes in boutiques in Paris and London while her government’s violent repression was underway.

Buck’s article, in the March 2011 issue of Vogue, drew widespread surprise and ridicule, especially among Washington’s foreign-policy community, which had long regarded Syria as a regional troublemaker and leading violator of human rights. It contained little hint of the Assad family’s history of repression, offering only that Syria is “a country full of shadow zones.”

And then the story disappeared.

Posted by: Thunderb at January 09, 2013 11:46 AM (Dnbau)

28
The deaf poet of my era, Mr. Pete Townshend put int best in his often overlooked piece "Uniforms"
"I don't matter you don't matter
Neither does this mindless clatter
It don't matter where you're from
What matters is your uniform

I am frightened, you are frightened
Should we get our trousers tightened?
Where in Brighton is your norm
Who wears enlightened uniform?

When I contemplate my future I go numb, don't feel a thing
I don't' overrate my suitors number one, I always sing
But the State and their computers make me run for comfort in
My uniform.
In uniform I feel like a king."


BTW, I am going to start a AR15 build too.




Posted by: anonCatholic at January 09, 2013 11:46 AM (kduZC)

29 I think it would be instructive in this age of Downton Abbey and the the new Upstairs Downstairs series, to have one of the serious polling firms do a poll asking if the Constitution's Nobility clause should be removed. I'm betting the gender difference would be ... not surprising.

Posted by: mrp at January 09, 2013 11:46 AM (HjPtV)

30 Paul Effin' Begala, gun owner / hunter / man about town, has a whole "My Fellow Gun Owners" piece ....

Starts off sensible-like.

Ends with a paragraph that manaages to restrict the 2nd Amendment

and - asserts that kids learn to plan these acts using first person shooter games, which therefore need to be regulated.

and - that the Entertainment Industry needs to be regulated vis-a-vis Violence.

and - that the First Amendment should be blown-up to keep 'those who seek notoriety' from getting it courtesy of our Press.
_

Other than that, per Paul, the Bill of Rights is just ducky.
_

Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 09, 2013 11:47 AM (RuUvx)

31 13 CPT Hate,

San Francisco CockSucka!

//Wu

Posted by: sven10077 at January 09, 2013 11:47 AM (LRFds)

32 I love these assholes who come in like they know me making pronouncements like this -- Gee, I guess Ace learned something (subtext: that I, Madison Conservative, already knew, so I, Madison Conservative, win the More Conservative Than You contest which was never actually announced).

Google "New Aristocracy" site:minx.cc and you'll see this same idea with minor variations.

But you're so smart. You Are Ultimate Winner at Being More Conservative.

Posted by: ace at January 09, 2013 11:47 AM (LCRYB)

33 Btw, for those who have read A Brave New World, did anyone think it ended witha reference to Shakespeare's Hamlet.

In other words, there is that famous line in Hamlet where he states:

"I am mad north by northwest, but when the wind is southerly I know a hawk from a handsaw."

A Brave New World ends [edited to remove spoiler content]:

"Slowly, very slowly, like two unhurried compass needles, the turned towards the right; north, north-east, east, south-east, south, south-south-west; then paused, and, after a few seconds, turned as unhurriedly back towards the left. South-south-west, south, south-east, east. …"

In other words, madness all around...

Posted by: Prescient11 at January 09, 2013 11:48 AM (tVTLU)

34 Sen. Richard Blumenthal (Dimwit-Conn.) introduced legislation on Tuesday that would require background checks for buying gun ammunition.

FUCK THESE PEOPLE.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 09, 2013 11:48 AM (XkWWK)

35 SPOILER WARNING, ASSHOLE!!!!


(just kidding)

Posted by: ace at January 09, 2013 11:49 AM (LCRYB)

36 What could possibly explain such ignorance at this point,

The inability to learn.

Granted, we may not be able to burst our "betters" bubbles, but I do know for a fact, that if you hold their heads under water for long enough, the bubbles do stop.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 09, 2013 11:49 AM (GFM2b)

37 The elite need to get to know who these "lesser" people are, at least before they get slaughtered by them.

Posted by: Roy at January 09, 2013 11:49 AM (VndSC)

38 Remember Anna Wintour, the editor of Vogue, who approved that piece, is going to be the new Ambassador to Great Britain.

Posted by: Thunderb at January 09, 2013 11:49 AM (Dnbau)

39 26 Ace,

let's have a contest about contests....

no seriously if you have not read BNW you should I'd be happy to send it to you on the Nook if you'd like.

Huxley understood the best method of control was seemingly exerting NO control but in fact letting the lab rats hit the orgasm button.

Huxley will be the face of tyranny and orwell the hand in the glove.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 09, 2013 11:49 AM (LRFds)

40 Brave New World is vapid, banal, pedestrian nonsense. You could have written a better book.

Posted by: Blacksheep at January 09, 2013 11:49 AM (8/DeP)

41 As I said a couple of days ago, King Louis XVI doesn't hold a candle to our current Monarch (the elite).


And the JEF does have some willful ignorance.

Posted by: Vic at January 09, 2013 11:49 AM (53z96)

42 "What could possibly explain such ignorance at this point, except a
calculated, learned ignorance of the habits of one's putative lessers?"



Their brain capacity is all full-up with mushy-headed politically correct bullshit?

Posted by: BS Inc. at January 09, 2013 11:49 AM (eP0u9)

43 They are trying to 'norm' out all who rise above.... all who are different... even if those differences where there for a reason...

Stick with me here.... The Military is the only true Darwinian Culture on the face of the Earth, where it Lives or Dies, by how good it is.... We have 5000 Years of military history of what works, and what does not.

And one thing the Military has always needed, is a Senior Enlisted class, who while seperate from the other enlisteds, translates Officers orders into reality... and these Larger than Life figures NEED to be seperated from the other enlisteds.... Roman Centurians had different rank Helmets, and camped in their own tent...

Now the US Navy is doing away with the Traditions of the US Navy Chief... they started by putting everyone in Khaki uniforms (taking one major distinction away)... and are now doing away with the Chief 'Initiation'...

One way to destroy a military, is to destroy its traditions... because those traditions are based in a Darwinian Framework.... they are there for a Reason (that often cannot be scene by those outside that tradition)...

I am Retired US Navy myself... and my Son followed in my footsteps and is now stationed in Guam... and I Fear for his safety... because they are destroying the very foundation of that institution.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 09, 2013 11:49 AM (lZBBB)

44 OT

http://bit.ly/13iFkUG

Democrats defending use of EBT cards for Stripers and Booze.

Why should the constituency be denied Congressional pleasures?

What do I have to do to get one of these cards?

Posted by: sTevo at January 09, 2013 11:50 AM (Bp8G1)

45 37 What could possibly explain such ignorance at this point,

The inability to learn.

Granted, we may not be able to burst our "betters" bubbles, but I do know for a fact, that if you hold their heads under water for long enough, the bubbles do stop.
Posted by: rickb223 at January 09, 2013 11:49 AM (GFM2b)


DUNNING-KRUGER EFFECT.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at January 09, 2013 11:50 AM (XkWWK)

46
Huxley is much much closer to where I think we
are going. That is, unless these idiots take the wrong path down 1984 as
they are so wont to do with our fundamental civil rights like the 2nd
Amendment. They might screw up the gradual decay they are so rooting
for.

Posted by: Prescient11 at January 09, 2013 11:42 AM (tVTLU)


I think we will get both. I maintain a thread over at a website called "Talk Polywell." (About electrostatic fusion research) The title of the thread is "Skynet is coming." It is about the changes in technology that make it possible to create killer robots such as in the "terminator."

I have always argued that killer robots will be built, and they will be controlled by the "elite" of the Humans who seek to rule us. They will wipe out anything facing them on the battlefield, or in cities and residences, and they will secure the reign of our new Aristocracy.

George Orwell was just a little later in occurring than was Huxley. But his dystopia is coming as well.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 09, 2013 11:50 AM (bb5+k)

47 Ace mentioning him reminded me I miss Dennis the Peasant's blog.

Posted by: Baldy at January 09, 2013 11:50 AM (opS9C)

48 That is a very good piece Ace. The "Elite" are quite comfortable ignoring the "Peasants" until they find themselves being locked into position under a Guillotine.

Posted by: maddogg at January 09, 2013 11:50 AM (OlN4e)

49 39 ThunderB,

just another opportunity for king Putt to say "fuck you" to the motherland.

if Pan Anglia would take us back we could bankrupt the US in a jif.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 09, 2013 11:50 AM (LRFds)

50 SPOILER WARNING, ASSHOLE!!!!


You should put this at the top of every post, Ace.





Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka 3 tooth) at January 09, 2013 11:50 AM (3E2th)

51 42 Vic,

PROUD willful ignorance.

A lot of folks don't understand what "let them eat cake" meant in context.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 09, 2013 11:51 AM (LRFds)

52 Very good post. I give it a B+

Posted by: gigg at January 09, 2013 11:51 AM (41VCE)

53 Posted by: MadisonConservative at January 09, 2013 11:41 AM (Y/HG5)

Hollowpoint's Axiom #834 gets proven correct once again:

If you see a particularly retarded commenter on AoSHQ, there's a 90% chance they stumbled here from Hot Air.

I really wish Townhall would employ a 'tard wrangler to keep their population from escaping.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 09, 2013 11:51 AM (SY2Kh)

54 >>>e inability to learn.

nah it's not that-- I mean, knowing at least what a semi-automatic is is not rocket science. it literally takes a two minute wikipedia look up (and a lookup of other action types-- people can only understand things in opposites. Ever notice that? To know what a thing is you must know specifically what it is not).

Posted by: ace at January 09, 2013 11:51 AM (LCRYB)

55 And so our "elites" -- and honestly, we need to start looking for a more accurate discriptor

Aristocracy seems about right. Someone once around here came up with a good take off on Illuminati once, I can't remeber what it was - Pretendinati? If that wasn't it (tm), copyright, patent pending.

Or maybe Libelite or Fascelite.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 09, 2013 11:52 AM (p/cQy)

56 "Madison Conservative" was / is the handmaiden of Capt Ed at Tepid Air


and a putz, of course.



Posted by: Aristotle -- rhymes with 'bottle' at January 09, 2013 11:52 AM (Dll6b)

57 44 Romeo 13,

the institutional knowledge of Big blue and the Green machine were bought in blood....

I wonder what the current PFCs will be teaching tomorrow's?

Posted by: sven10077 at January 09, 2013 11:52 AM (LRFds)

58 But we're better than any aristocracy of the past because we have Twitter and Facebook and we'll shame you into compliance with our whims.

Posted by: Typical Dumbshit Pseudo-aristocrat at January 09, 2013 11:52 AM (eP0u9)

59 and honestly, we need to start looking for a more accurate discriptor

I like "Neo-Feudalists". (I realize there's nothing really "neo" about their vision of them in charge and us serfs toiling in the dirt, but still).

I'm kinda partial to "Pre-Guillotine" myself.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 09, 2013 11:52 AM (GFM2b)

60 I maintain a thread over at a website called "Talk Polywell." (About
electrostatic fusion research) The title of the thread is "Skynet is
coming." It is about the changes in technology that make it possible to
create killer robots such as in the "terminator."


No Number 6 in a slinky red dress?

*disappointed*

Posted by: EC at January 09, 2013 11:53 AM (GQ8sn)

61 To know what a thing is you must know specifically what it is not).

Posted by: ace at January 09, 2013 11:51 AM (LCRYB)


If you're gonna quote me, man, give me a shout out. Also, you know a thing by what it does. Utility reveals the nature of a thing

Posted by: Aristotle -- rhymes with 'bottle' at January 09, 2013 11:53 AM (Dll6b)

62 35
Sen. Richard Blumenthal (Dimwit-Conn.) introduced legislation on Tuesday
that would require background checks for buying gun ammunition.



FUCK THESE PEOPLE.




Give him a break. He's still suffering from PTSD from his service in the Marines in Vietnam helping with Toys for Tots.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2013 11:54 AM (UOM48)

63 If by elites you mean douchebag liberals then you have a point. Monetary or power standing does not automatically result in the peasant / Lord relationship you present.

Posted by: polynikes at January 09, 2013 11:54 AM (m2CN7)

64 I think twitter and the interwebs does challenge that liberal-elitist (Cocksucker is the prefect term, sorry) bubble. It is delicious to see a bubble head liberal have his or her ass handed to him by a guy names squatch pride on twitter.

Posted by: gigg at January 09, 2013 11:54 AM (41VCE)

65 And so our "elites" -- and honestly, we need to start looking for a more accurate discriptor

How about "Faux Elites?" They fancy themselves our betters.

Or "The Credentialed Class."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 09, 2013 11:54 AM (4df7R)

66 >>>"Madison Conservative" was / is the handmaiden of Capt Ed at Tepid Air


I have no idea who he is. I know I've read some of his pieces, long ago, and his big specialty was Seething Barely-Controlled Anger About Everything.

And this is the second or third time in two days he's warped into a thread to post one of his "Gee, I guess Ace was the last to know" I'm-A-True-Conservative provocations in like the first 10 comments.

Then he disappears. because the point is just to show the Madison Conservative Flag and let people know Madison Conservative Is More Conservative.

Posted by: ace at January 09, 2013 11:54 AM (LCRYB)

67 This is why I'm a big Al Roker fan. Yeah sure, he's rich and famous, but at heart he remains just a regular guy that shits his pants and stuff.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 09, 2013 11:55 AM (+lsX1)

68 7
I know what wine to serve with possum.



Muscadine wine of course

Posted by: joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at January 09, 2013 11:55 AM (MnSla)

69
We need a new English word for Guillotine. The French one is too....French.

Just thinking out loud again.

Posted by: Jaws at January 09, 2013 11:55 AM (4I3Uo)

70 Possum stew sucks

Posted by: occam at January 09, 2013 11:55 AM (cWOlF)

71 57...Falls in the category of know unknows.

Posted by: sTevo at January 09, 2013 11:55 AM (Bp8G1)

72 Have you hugged your garbageman today?

Posted by: Torturers garbageman at January 09, 2013 11:55 AM (tdaam)

73 Pardon me if my tin hat is showing but anyone who thinks that Obama is more than a meat puppet dancing to other more "finacially able" hands isn't paying attention.

Obama was/is a drug addled intellectual poseur. A perfect foil, created and presented to the world by two known Marxist terrorists and henceforth manipulated like a child's doll by moneyed interests.

They are also sabotaging, coercing and bribing anyone who so much as hints at being able to successfully counteract or reveal the charade.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka 3 tooth) at January 09, 2013 11:55 AM (3E2th)

74 Willful Ignorance is a term I've been using for a while now. Very apt

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 09, 2013 11:56 AM (iHs4Z)

75 "How about "Faux Elites?" They fancy themselves our betters.
"



"Faux-lites"?

Posted by: BS Inc. at January 09, 2013 11:56 AM (eP0u9)

76 70This is why I'm a big Al Roker fan. Yeah sure, he's rich and famous, but at heart he remains just a regular guy that shits his pants and stuff.
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 09, 2013 11:55 AM (+lsX1) Heh, good one.

Posted by: maddogg at January 09, 2013 11:57 AM (OlN4e)

77 Maybe Madison Conservative isn't a "he", but maybe a "she".
Nah - too easy.

Posted by: Roy at January 09, 2013 11:57 AM (VndSC)

78 Sven and Diogenes:

Excellent posts. I tend to think that as well. In the end it is individualism that must be crushed, in every aspect. That is their goal. Free thought, free expression, ability to defend yourself.

Whether the repression is done Soviet style, or whether it is done by essentially changing the habits of the people into dependency on handouts and becoming accustomed to and happy with their existence, as well as government endorsement of removing all controls of morality/judgment, whether by government or social control.

Merely 50 years ago, it was a SOCIAL TABOO to have a child out of wedlock. Now it is the majority of black births. And if you talk about it as a bad thing YOU ARE OSTRACIZED by everyone.

1984 vs. A Brave New World is the exact dichotomy with the same goal: destroy the individual.

1984 does it with a boot in your face.
A Brave New World is much more insidious. It changes the person by feeding the baseness of mankind, all of the vices and virtues which the State deems acceptable.

Posted by: Prescient11 at January 09, 2013 11:57 AM (tVTLU)

79 "and probably wouldn't be any fun to have a sexual affair with"

Not sure I follow the logic there. I think history is chock-full of such dalliances.

Posted by: USA at January 09, 2013 11:57 AM (RIg+t)

80 The cleverness of the clever will be put aside. The wisdom of the wise will be destroyed.

Posted by: mama winger at January 09, 2013 11:57 AM (P6QsQ)

81 Neo-Nobility?

Posted by: Thunderb at January 09, 2013 11:57 AM (Dnbau)

82 -

Read and Read Your Aristotle,
None'll Make Sense,
And Then A Lot'll
_

My essay answer to a Phil 101 quiz.

aced the course as the Professor liked a non-robotic reply.

Posted by: BumperStickeristNash at January 09, 2013 11:58 AM (RuUvx)

83 If a person were to attend the American University in Paris ( formerly the American College in Paris ) or any of several other English-language American-college-system colleges and universities around the world, he'd discover a serious of wanna-be training academies for this New Elite


Take themselves very seriously, they do: Our future masters...

Posted by: Vung Tau, with the Aussies at January 09, 2013 11:58 AM (Dll6b)

84 From what I recall, Republican POTUSes and their families supposedly treated the Secret Service better than Democrat POTUSes families.

Posted by: Baldy at January 09, 2013 11:58 AM (opS9C)

85 Fuck em all, Let it Burn.

Posted by: cajun carrot at January 09, 2013 11:58 AM (UZQM8)

86
717
I know what wine to serve with possum.


There is never a sommelier around when you need one.....

Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 09, 2013 11:58 AM (ma1sf)

87 Pardon me if my tin hat is showing but anyone who thinks that Obama is more than a meat puppet dancing to other more "finacially able" hands isn't paying attention.

No, you're right. Goldman Sachs is pretty much the Obama administration's command and control center. Noted asshole Matt Taibbi came very close to proving it in his series on the '08 financial meltdown and then concluded with "but BOOOOSH!" to try and keep people from realizing what he'd previously written.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 09, 2013 11:58 AM (B/VB5)

88 I have a Browning Automatic Rifle.

I have mentioned this to liberal friends and they were aghast.

"But I thought machine guns were illegal!"


I then would have to explain things like select fire, "machine gun," automatic, semi-automatic.

I throw in bolt-action, lever-action, pump-action.

Even the differences between rim fire and center fire.

It's as Reagan says, "It's not that our liberal friends are dumb, they just know so much that isn't so!"

Posted by: General Woundwort at January 09, 2013 11:58 AM (RrD4h)

89 When the trap-door swings, it won't matter what you didn't learn.

But: Had they learned, it wouldn't have swung.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 09, 2013 11:59 AM (imtbm)

90 Huxley versus Orwell: Why can't get both? If you knuckle under meekly to soft tyranny you get Huxley. If soft tyranny isn't fulfilling to you, you get Orwell.

Posted by: Motorhead at January 09, 2013 11:59 AM (LbMx/)

91 He's not a conservative, but I consider Totten a must-read.

His point I think isn't just that the Elite get blinded by willful ignorance, but selection bias. He confesses battling the same instincts himself.

If a Western reporter (for instance) wants an interview, who's he going to talk to? The educated, English-speaking, secular, modern minded activist, or the illiterate, racist, backwards Islamist taxi driver who also happens to represent the majority?

Most of the time, it'll be the former.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 09, 2013 11:59 AM (SY2Kh)

92 " a SERIES of wanna-be."


not that it matters

Posted by: Vung Tau, with the Aussies at January 09, 2013 11:59 AM (Dll6b)

93 I have a Browning Automatic Rifle.

You have a BAR? Nice.

Posted by: EC at January 09, 2013 12:00 PM (GQ8sn)

94 Attempting gun control as the Left is doing is not political speech. Since it attacks our Bill of Rights directly, they are not participating in our Contitutional Republic. They are in rebellion against it, and are domestic Enemies of the Constitution.

Right now, this second, we are suffering from an insurrection and those insurrectionists involved - according to the 14th Amendment, Section 3 - should be barred for all time from holding any office.

Reid should be selling his anus on the corner of the street for three bucks a whack since he has no other skills than to be a whore.
He should be barred from the Senate and forced to ply his trade back in Reno where he belongs.



Posted by: Inspector Asshole at January 09, 2013 12:00 PM (57Eyd)

95 69 Ace,

Mad Co is a rarity a pissed off Moderate GOPer.

I like the guy but he definitely likes blue on blue.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 09, 2013 12:00 PM (LRFds)

96 We need a new English word for Guillotine. The French one is too....French.

Big Blade?
Ronco?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 09, 2013 12:00 PM (GFM2b)

97 NeoLords

Posted by: Thunderb at January 09, 2013 12:00 PM (Dnbau)

98 What could possibly explain such ignorance at this point, except a calculated, learned ignorance of the habits of one's putative lessers?


They are homo novus. We are homunuculi.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Seriously, Sheldon/Penny to the end. at January 09, 2013 12:00 PM (VtjlW)

99 72 Jaws,

Mechanized shaving tool/

Posted by: sven10077 at January 09, 2013 12:00 PM (LRFds)

100 Take themselves very seriously, they do: Our future masters...

All men are 100% undeniably equal in stature...

...when standing on the gallows. I'm just saying.

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 09, 2013 12:01 PM (iHs4Z)

101 It's as Reagan says, "It's not that our liberal friends are dumb, they just know so much that isn't so!"

Posted by: General Woundwort at January 09, 2013 11:58 AM (RrD4h) I have to take issue with Ron on that. No, the fucking bastards really are dumb.

Posted by: maddogg at January 09, 2013 12:01 PM (OlN4e)

102 You can always tell when a post is conservatively correct -- and can't be assailed on those grounds -- when the True Conservatives, who are largely just trying to get themselves declared King of the Mountain (that is, they're interested in intraparty jockeying for position and status, and not anything beyond that) shifts their insults from "NOT CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH!!!" to "CONSERVATIVES ALREADY KNEW THIS!!!"

That idiot TCN pulled that crap on me two weeks ago. He couldn't assail the post itself, so he claimed "Gee most TruCons (TM) knew this two weeks ago, when you were still sucking Gabby Giffords' dick!"

It's just the fact that they ALWAYS have to have something nasty to say-- because their game is all about gaining position on people they see as rivals.

That's all they care about.

That's why I offer, without reservation, to give anyone who wants it a More Conservative Than Me prize.

If it's what you want -- take it, it's yours! You WIN AT BEING MOAR CONSERVATIVE!!!

Congratulations! You lucky-ducky!

Posted by: ace at January 09, 2013 12:01 PM (LCRYB)

103 The educated, English-speaking, secular, modern minded activist, or the illiterate, racist, backwards Islamist taxi driver who also happens to represent the majority?

Depends if said reporter wants to find the best local goat brothel or not.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 09, 2013 12:01 PM (B/VB5)

104 "
Whether the repression is done Soviet style, or
whether it is done by essentially changing the habits of the people into
dependency on handouts and becoming accustomed to and happy with their
existence, as well as government endorsement of removing all controls of
morality/judgment, whether by government or social control.
"




When Rome started it's "bread and circuses" the end was nigh. The modern equivalent is Welfare and Television.




"
1984 does it with a boot in your face.

A Brave New World is much more insidious. It changes the person by
feeding the baseness of mankind, all of the vices and virtues which the
State deems acceptable.

Posted by: Prescient11 at January 09, 2013 11:57 AM (tVTLU)


And which may change at their whim. Caligula anyone? We will get the boot too.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 09, 2013 12:01 PM (bb5+k)

105
heh, madison conservative = ann althouse. that would be funny.


also, the 'pre-guillotineati' does have a nice slice to it.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 09, 2013 12:03 PM (p/cQy)

106 >>>He's not a conservative, but I consider Totten a must-read.


more conservative than you... RINO!

Posted by: ace at January 09, 2013 12:03 PM (LCRYB)

107 Ace -

I see you finished my course.

Congratulations.

Posted by: Punching Down at January 09, 2013 12:03 PM (RuUvx)

108 I'll repost this quote from Samuel Adams, whose beer I shall drink almost exclusively. Can't get away from Stella completely!

In a fiery speech on August 1, 1776, Samuel Adams bellowed, "If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom -- go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!"


Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you.

Indeed.

Posted by: Prescient11 at January 09, 2013 12:03 PM (tVTLU)

109 84 Neo-Nobility?


Posted by: Thunderb at January 09, 2013 11:57 AM (Dnbau)


Neo-Mandarins.... if you read about them... it fits... they were a class, a series of families (Bush's, Kennedys)... who went to the right schools (Hahvud)... took the right Test (Law Degree)... all knew one another (the political class).... ran off of patronage and insider influence... and would go from one Job in the Empire to another (Politican to Lobbyist, or from one Beuracray to another)...

Scary how Government Evolves consistantly into the same historic patterns...

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 09, 2013 12:03 PM (lZBBB)

110
As I mentioned with regard to Piers Morgan, there is a certain level of
pride that attaches to being ignorant of those one considers his
inferiors.


I guess that's true. Pierce Morgan probably takes the same pride in ignorance of me and my guns that I take in being ignorant of Honey Booboo and who Kim Kardashian is humping this week.

Posted by: Entropy at January 09, 2013 12:03 PM (TULs6)

111 Lucky-Ducky metals might sell big.

Posted by: sTevo at January 09, 2013 12:03 PM (Bp8G1)

112 Read and Read Your Aristotle,



Posted by: BumperStickeristNash at January 09, 2013 11:58 AM (RuUvx)

I will point out that Aristotle said several thousand years ago that a "citizen" was one born to parents who were citizens. Just thought i'd point that out there.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 09, 2013 12:04 PM (bb5+k)

113 Neener neener neener

I'm more conservative than YOU!!!


Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka 3 tooth) at January 09, 2013 12:04 PM (3E2th)

114 >>>
I guess that's true. Pierce Morgan probably takes the same pride in ignorance of me and my guns that I take in being ignorant of Honey Booboo and who Kim Kardashian is humping this week.

I guess we all do that.

Hey-- I guess that's why the guys who don't like movies always tell me they're not interested in movie reviews.

I guess part of it is something most people do.

Except Jackie Chan. He's just perfect.

Posted by: ace at January 09, 2013 12:04 PM (LCRYB)

115 Why, Ace, this is almost profoundly clarifying. You may make a greatish man of history yet.

Posted by: U. at January 09, 2013 12:04 PM (Bp6me)

116
This reminds me of a piece Ace wrote, oh, a couple of years ago at least (before anyone heard of Madison Conservative... ) talking about cultural signifiers. I think the jump off point was a story about a guy wanting frequent buyer benefits for his Starbucks purchases or some such horse hockey. Ace's point was that the "elite" has learned affectations whose only purpose is to separate them from the unwashed masses.

So yeah, Ace has been on the "new aristocracy" riff for a long time, MadCon. Where've you been?

Posted by: JohnTant at January 09, 2013 12:04 PM (eytER)

117 Point of Grammar:

It's 'More Conservative than I' prize.
_

Hey. Engraving is expensive and you pay by the letter.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 09, 2013 12:05 PM (RuUvx)

118 A Brave New World is much more insidious. It changes the person by

feeding the baseness of mankind, all of the vices and virtues which the

State deems acceptable.



Posted by: Prescient11 at January 09, 2013 11:57 AM (tVTLU)

---------------



So how do you stand against that on a practical, daily level?

Posted by: mama winger at January 09, 2013 12:05 PM (P6QsQ)

119 It's about time you finally came around on Madison Conservative ace, I've been saying he's an asshole for ages.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at January 09, 2013 12:05 PM (+lsX1)

120 "87
From what I recall, Republican POTUSes and their families supposedly
treated the Secret Service better than Democrat POTUSes families.


Posted by: Baldy at January 09, 2013 11:58 AM (opS9C)"

I think that this fact, which I have also read, is related to a general rule of liberal psychology and social demeanor, which is that liberals think that non-liberals are such assholes that they can be assholes with impunity and at least be no worse than non-liberals. A more specific instance would be when a liberal business person treats workers like shit but justifies it by claiming that a non-liberal would treat those workers even worse, so the workers are actually coming out ahead even if they are still objectively being treated poorly. Obama supporters claiming "Bush did it too" or "Bush was worse" use this rationalization all the time, while completely ignoring the old adage that "two wrongs don't make a right".

It's all self-deluded projection, but that doesn't matter, it gives liberals license to be complete assholes without feeling any remorse because at least they aren't as big an asshole as the non-liberals of their imagination.

Posted by: BS Inc. at January 09, 2013 12:05 PM (eP0u9)

121 You may have nailed what I could never quite describe, not just with "credentialed elites" but with Obama voters in general.

With unemployed friends and family, without a raise in five years, with food prices doubling and tripling, they proudly voted for Obama based on "gay marriage" or being against "going back to the culture of the 50s" or whatever.

Not based on facts. Based on self-perception as "advanced."

Posted by: Ferb Fletcher at January 09, 2013 12:05 PM (Q8Wa9)

122 We need a new English word for Guillotine. The French one is too....French.

Mr. Slicey?Captain Decapitator?

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at January 09, 2013 12:06 PM (BrQrN)

123 Punching Down,

I've been up all night and I'm full of donuts.

Posted by: ace at January 09, 2013 12:06 PM (LCRYB)

124 It's as Reagan says, "It's not that our liberal friends are dumb, they just know so much that isn't so!"



Posted by: General Woundwort at January 09, 2013 11:58 AM (RrD4h)


And what is even worse, it is virtually impossible to correct their fallacious beliefs. Logic and Reason do not work on them. Only emotion can sway their opinions.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 09, 2013 12:06 PM (bb5+k)

125
What could possibly explain such ignorance at this point, except a calculated, learned ignorance of the habits of one's putative lessers?


I don't think it's a calculated ignorance anymore, though at one time it was. Once upon a time it would have been sneeredupon to have an aristocrat cook his own meals. Now it's considered the height of charity for a Faux Elite to admit that s/he plunges his/her own toilet instead of calling a plumber. "Oh, isn't he such a Renaissance Man!" or, "Oh, she's so in touch with the world!"

Knowledge of the work that the "little people" do is considered a GOOD thing. Dabbling in those activities -- except the more repellant activities like hunting, marriage, and nuclear family life -- is also considered a boon. It's only when a member of the Faux Elite starts really rolling up his or her sleeves and participating in every day life that their fellows start to turn up their nose in disgust.

After all, it's all well and good to know HOW to make possum stew; it proves you have a Diverse and Unbigoted Interest In the Foodways of a Multi-Layered Society (tm). But to actually make it on a regular basis? Well that just means you're a hick.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 09, 2013 12:06 PM (4df7R)

126 There has to be a Venn diagram for this: Conservative Asshole

Posted by: sTevo at January 09, 2013 12:07 PM (Bp8G1)

127 Attempting gun control as the Left is doing is not
political speech. Since it attacks our Bill of Rights directly, they are
not participating in our Contitutional Republic. They are in rebellion against it, and are domestic Enemies of the Constitution.



Right now, this second, we are suffering from an insurrection and
those insurrectionists involved - according to the 14th Amendment,
Section 3 - should be barred for all time from holding any office.



Reid should be selling his anus on the corner of the street for
three bucks a whack since he has no other skills than to be a whore.

He should be barred from the Senate and forced to ply his trade back in Reno where he belongs.









Posted by: Inspector Asshole at January 09, 2013 12:00 PM


A billion times THIS!!

Posted by: Berserker at January 09, 2013 12:07 PM (FMbng)

128 121 Mama Winger,

You do not let them tell you when to pet the kitty or choke the chicken, you pay your own way, and you run red and find enough who hang on.

The divorce is coming one way or the other.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 09, 2013 12:07 PM (LRFds)

129 That's why I offer, without reservation, to give anyone who wants it a More Conservative Than Me prize.
If it's what you want -- take it, it's yours! You WIN AT BEING MOAR CONSERVATIVE!!!


When do we get to compete for the Government To Leave Me the Fuck Alone and Get Off My Lawn prize?

Posted by: rickb223 at January 09, 2013 12:07 PM (GFM2b)

130 Merely 50 years ago, it was a SOCIAL TABOO to have a
child out of wedlock. Now it is the majority of black births. And if
you talk about it as a bad thing YOU ARE OSTRACIZED by everyone.




Posted by: Prescient11 at January 09, 2013 11:57 AM (tVTLU)

Mrs Fixer loves old movies. We were watching a movie... I forget the name... with Jimmie Stuart and Sandra Dee as his daughter. Readers Digest condense version is SD goes to college and Dad cant cope.
What struck me was the amount of stuff in the movie that would not fly today.* Everybody smoked* Mom wore a fur stole.* Most of the girls wore skirts or dresses.* Mom and Dad were married.* Black folks were bellhops and porters.* Sandra Dees professor had wandering hands.... (done tongue in cheek... not patriarchical oppression)* No security at the airport.
This movie was done in the early sixties. Cultural norms have changed a ton.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 09, 2013 12:07 PM (nELVU)

131 If "NeoFeudalists" doesn't suit your fancy, how about "semi-sentient skidmarks?"

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 09, 2013 12:08 PM (5DR1j)

132 I guess that's true. Pierce Morgan probably takes the same pride in ignorance of me and my guns that I take in being ignorant of Honey Booboo and who Kim Kardashian is humping this week.
Posted by: Entropy at January 09, 2013 12:03 PM (TULs6)

yes, but to him , you ARE honey-boo-boo

Posted by: Thunderb at January 09, 2013 12:08 PM (Dnbau)

133 >>>Not based on facts. Based on self-perception as "advanced."

yes. I miscalculated in thinking Romney could possibly sway these people, but I did have that idea, that if people were essentially voting for what they considered Success by the terms of the Smart Set, you'd naturally want to present a candidate who undeniably had Success by the terms of the Smart Set.

Posted by: ace at January 09, 2013 12:08 PM (LCRYB)

134 egads..... pixy hates my ass.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 09, 2013 12:08 PM (nELVU)

135 The thing is, I don't know diddly about blogging and writing blogs and such. Does thatmake me your superior or a communist or both?

Posted by: Hamilton Burger at January 09, 2013 12:08 PM (J+6te)

136 because their game is all about gaining position on people they see as rivals.

Their "zero-sum" world view envelops every aspect of their lives. Its inconceivable to them that someone can get ahead without dragging someone else down.

Were this true, we'd all be fighting over the same pointy sticks and sharp rock fragments early hominid tech/tool visionaries ooog and gooog manufactured a few million years ago.

Ideas can spring from nothing, and "wealth" is created at the nexus of labor and raw materials. The left just doesn't get this.

Posted by: @PurpAv at January 09, 2013 12:08 PM (iHs4Z)

137
"What could possibly explain such ignorance at this point, except a
calculated, learned ignorance of the habits of one's putative lessers?"

Nah, they're just stupid

Posted by: RayJ at January 09, 2013 12:08 PM (pI/IV)

138 On gun control, I must say that I think the left is miscalculating very badly.

Not only is public opinion against them. But the facts are against them. And at the end of the day, most everyone knows it. Thank you internet. The leaders in the fight in the courts are naturally democrats, minorities in crime stricken neighborhoods in deep blue areas that just want to protect themselves. Everyone knows criminals never follow the law. Gun control advocates have blood on their hands by creating these victim/gun-free zones.

I'll be frank, if further reasonable regulation on the Second Amendment could have stopped dickless and saved those twenty beautiful kids, I would seriously think about it and consider it.

But there is nothing to stop a madman. The guy killed his mom to take her guns. The NRA's proposal is the only one that made sense.

Remember that the plan at Columbine was to first blow up the lunchroom with propane bombs. Luckily the timers malfunctioned. It is estimated those bombs would have killed 500 kids.

And have we heard one word about "propane control"??

Exactly.

Posted by: Prescient11 at January 09, 2013 12:08 PM (tVTLU)

139 132 RickB223,

Yeah pretty much....

"congrats you are the ONE"

of course silly me thought we should be more worried about stopping the leftbats than finding Conservo-Prime.....

The MOAR RIGHTY award or something

Posted by: sven10077 at January 09, 2013 12:09 PM (LRFds)

140 I guess that's true. Pierce Morgan probably takes the same pride in
ignorance of me and my guns that I take in being ignorant of Honey
Booboo and who Kim Kardashian is humping this week.


The difference is the stuff we know and they don't--guns, budgets, American History before 1968--has some value. All that celebrity crap is good for is signaling to superficial people that you might be one of them (which is why I so resent that it's so impossible to escape hearing about it without becoming a shut-in).

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ #NukeIowaCity at January 09, 2013 12:10 PM (ZKzrr)

141 Just think, if we follow the Roman timetable what an interesting time we'll be having 4 years from now after "Augustus Obaminus" is succeeded (with emphasis on teh succ) by our next Emperor. (or Empress).

Aside: is it just me or was all this malarkey about Hillary's blood clot so she could get some "work" done? She looks different since being back.

I remember when Kerry got his eyes and chin done he claimed he was in some "accident".

They don't look all that different but different enough.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka 3 tooth) at January 09, 2013 12:10 PM (3E2th)

142 Posted by: Ferb Fletcher at January 09, 2013 12:05 PM (Q8Wa9)

LOL.... yeah... a good friend of mine supported Obama (to my horror) because his wife is sick, and he liked Obamacare (for what he got personaly)...

He is also a Second Amendment supporter.... so now when he rants about how they want his guns? I remind him of his Obama support (jokingly... he is still a friend who was deluded for awhile...)...

Now he pleads temporary insanity....

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 09, 2013 12:10 PM (lZBBB)

143 Muscadine wine of course
Posted by: joethefatman™ (@joethefatman1) at January 09, 2013 11:55 AM (MnSla)


Aged in an abandoned railroad car. Drunk from a Solo cup.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at January 09, 2013 12:10 PM (qOX+D)

144 Meanwhile, rather than the progressive, arts-loving,
British-educated banker of Buck’s telling, Asma al-Assad has emerged as
the Marie Antoinette of the Arab Spring. E-mails leaked by Syrian
opposition groups last month showed that she was involved in shopping
online for jewelry, chandeliers and designer shoes in boutiques in Paris
and London while her government’s violent repression was underway.





Posted by: Thunderb at January 09, 2013 11:46 AM (Dnbau)

Of course those that become depressed at those less fortunate having to be shot must 'shop till they drop'.

Posted by: ette- at January 09, 2013 12:10 PM (nqBYe)

145 I tried to find Brave New World on Gutenberg. It was written in 1932 and under the original copyright act it would have long been public domain.


But thanks to Mickey Mouse the law is now death of the author + 70 years. Aldous Leonard Huxley died in 1963 so it will not be public domain until 2033 or until Disney goes bankrupt and pulls its dick out of Congress's ass.

Posted by: Vic at January 09, 2013 12:11 PM (53z96)

146 139 Purple Avenger,

for a bunch of folks looking out for the "little guy" they sure do seem wrapped up in stepping on others heads to rise.

We need to convince the poor that the chains suck or we're doomed.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 09, 2013 12:11 PM (LRFds)

147 >>>I guess by my theory they're so good at this because

They successfully combine copious amounts of patience to see their plans through with an absolute willingness to defy law and morality whenever it suits their needs. In that way they are very very dangerous. Add any intellect to that mix at all, maybe a dash of social grace, and you've got a very successful villain of society.

Which BTW you should have already realized is a big reason why they think all rich people are evil. They became rich immorally, so all rich people must have done the same. And since all people got rich illicitly because they did; By extension, any person who is rich who is not working to topple the patently unfair capitalist system they exploited to get money, is themselves evil.

Procjection, not just another river in Egypt.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 09, 2013 12:11 PM (0q2P7)

148 Queen Victoria's "We are not amused!" comes to mind as an ultimate class distinctifier.


I think we should call them (the elites) what they think they are: the de facto ruling class
.

The problem with absolute dictatorial rule is that it has never been done for long enough by the right people, don't you see old chap!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at January 09, 2013 12:11 PM (Cnqmv)

149 Ace's point was that the "elite" has learned affectations whose only purpose is to separate them from the unwashed masses.



Posted by: JohnTant at January 09, 2013 12:04 PM (eytER)

You want a better understanding of this Human social dynamic? Read "the Lucifer Principle" by Howard Bloom. Humans have a pecking order just like chickens, and they spend a lot of their time making sure the group knows where they are in the social pecking order.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 09, 2013 12:12 PM (bb5+k)

150 But they wouldn't be able to pull of the coup establishing themselves as the new aristocrats without the support of the courtesans.

I find that the most disgusting aspect of all this, those who so openly prostitute themselves for a party merely because they see a chance to get invited to attend one of the posh parties.

You know, "Your $5 donation will enter you now to win a chance to have dinner with [celebrity and politician]."

Disgusting.

We should set up a YouTube channel where anyone who submits a video mocking a politician to their face gets $10.

None of these guys, the politicians, the celebrities, deserve respect. Our Founding Fathers would have gone to great lengths to mock and scorn them.

Yet US Weekly, etc. are best-selling magazines.

Like the chimps who'd trade fruit for pictures of the alpha males and females.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 09, 2013 12:12 PM (imtbm)

151 The gun thing is all about fulfilling the UN Agenda 21 thing. The kids are just props, like always.

Posted by: Bigby's Donkey Punch at January 09, 2013 12:13 PM (xJPAY)

152 I am Retired US Navy myself... and my Son followed in my footsteps and is now stationed in Guam... and I Fear for his safety... because they are destroying the very foundation of that institution.

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 09, 2013 11:49 AM (lZBBB)


This is what happens when you make two or more stars an overtly political process - politicans as FOs and GOs and political appointees make political decisions, not military ones.

The military has been going this way pretty hard for the last 15 years or so. It was the main reason I retired right at 20. That and I didn't want Bammer's name on my certificates.

The last institution to march through was the military, and oh boy are they there now.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 09, 2013 12:13 PM (ROv35)

153 148 Vic,

http://www.huxley.net/bnw/

Vic you do not know how happy I am to have linked this to you.

Thanks for being here.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 09, 2013 12:13 PM (LRFds)

154 New term for the guillotine?

The Schick 3000

Posted by: Vizzini at January 09, 2013 12:13 PM (O7Q1u)

155 FTR, I like neo Mandarin. Fits well. Or perhaps, The New Mandarins, neo is so last year.

Posted by: Thunderb at January 09, 2013 12:13 PM (Dnbau)

156 Mamawinger:

First, directly attack the welfare state. And I mean fucking attack it as viciously as you can. Obamaphone lady everywhere.

We must state that our party is for those who WORK AND WANT TO WORK.

Demorats are the party of the freeloaders. We must establish this and push this. even natural democrats will understand this, they likely have many family members that are sponging off the system.

We need to mock the welfare queens and not shy away from tough language. Period.

Second, take away marriage penalties in taxes and welfare payments. Use whatever policy tools are available to push for marriage.

The rest is more up to the society, but those are areas I would hit immediately. No government handouts. Welcome to the world.

Posted by: Prescient11 at January 09, 2013 12:14 PM (tVTLU)

157 I guess I have to read this book.

Yes, Brave New World, 1984 and Animal Farm are essential reading just for cultural reasons.

Huxley is a slightly tougher read, more pretentious, less insightful and he ended up recounting his anti-drug message later in life but it was the fundamental dystopian-future-as-carrot-not-stick vision and worth knowing for the references.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 09, 2013 12:14 PM (T0NGe)

158 speaking of Downton Abbey, the writer of that show (which, btw, I've never seen, and I'm being serious) is Julian Fellows, who wrote Gosford Park, who, in the commentary for that movie, explained this whole principle of the aristocracy making cultural choices *simply to make cultural distinctions with their lessers.* They zig, you zag. It was he that put the idea in my head, and it explained so much.

There's a fat book by French sociologist that made this point in the late sixties, called "Distinction," which claims (a bit overstatedly) that "no matter of taste is innocent," meaning that virtually every choice we make is due in some part to wanting to create a distinction from those we do not want to be part of our class.

Conservative sneering at, say, arugula or whatever is similar.

But look these guys are world champs at it.

I think that writer's name is Piere Bordieau. I started to read it but it is extraordinarily dry and dense in that trained academic way.

Posted by: ace at January 09, 2013 12:14 PM (LCRYB)

159 Now it's considered the height of charity for a Faux Elite to admit
that s/he plunges his/her own toilet instead of calling a plumber.


Hrm. This seems to be the opposite of what happened the last elections. Mrs. Obama went on Oprah to talk about being too stupid to direct her personal chef to keep fruit in the house for her fat kid to snack on, and she was touted as Average Working Mom Understands Your Struggles. Mrs. Ryan wore a dress from Kohls and was touted as Playacting Rich Bitch Pretending To Be Normal.


Posted by: HeatherRadish™ #NukeIowaCity at January 09, 2013 12:14 PM (ZKzrr)

160 until 2033 or until Disney goes bankrupt and pulls its dick out of Congress's ass.
Posted by: Vic at January 09, 2013 12:11 PM (53z96)

That was funny!

Posted by: USA at January 09, 2013 12:15 PM (RIg+t)

161 Ok I have to ask. WHO the fuck is honey boo boo?

Posted by: Berserker at January 09, 2013 12:15 PM (FMbng)

162
So how do you stand against that on a practical, daily level?


Posted by: Mamma Winger at January 09, 2013 12:05 PM (P6QsQ)

Without intervention, the behavior would result in dead participants, but the Government (since Johnson) has been stepping in and providing money and housing so as to allow irresponsible behavior to continue by allaying the usual serious consequences of such behavior.

It is an artificial environment which has been created by our government(s) and as long as this condition persists, it is unlikely that you can stand against it. However, when the whole economic system collapses, then the behavior will be it's own cure. Till that happens, we're pretty much stuck on dealing with it. In the meantime, it serves the Interests of the Democrats who use it for vote farming the stupid.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 09, 2013 12:16 PM (bb5+k)

163 FTR, I like neo Mandarin. Fits well. Or perhaps, The New Mandarins, neo is so last year.
Posted by: Thunderb at January 09, 2013 12:13 PM (Dnbau)


REGRESSIVES: "Why are you calling us oranges?"

*snigger*

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 09, 2013 12:16 PM (4df7R)

164 Ok I have to ask. WHO the fuck is honey boo boo?

---

FWIW.....I dont know either.

...and I dont want to know.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 09, 2013 12:16 PM (nELVU)

165 Posted by: Thunderb at January 09, 2013 12:13 PM (Dnbau)

Good point.... NEO is now linked in peoples minds with the Neo character from the Movies... who was a good guy....

and there is nothing good about these NEW Mandarins...

Posted by: Romeo13 at January 09, 2013 12:16 PM (lZBBB)

166 164 Berzerker,

a retarded blimp child and mother who are there for the Neo Mandarins to mock.

I hate Hollywood more than AQ.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 09, 2013 12:17 PM (LRFds)

167 I see the issues in this country to be guns and abortion.

The elite see guns as an unadulterated evil, fit only for those who protect them. And abortion is just another minor procedure...sort of like having your teeth cleaned, but without the dental hygienist's tits in your face.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 09, 2013 12:17 PM (GsoHv)

168 Forget guns, parentheticals need to be banned.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 09, 2013 12:17 PM (djdc7)

169 plus the whole "neo-con" thing will connect it in peoples head with conservatives

Posted by: Thunderb at January 09, 2013 12:18 PM (Dnbau)

170 sort of like having your teeth cleaned, but without the dental hygienist's tits in your face.

Thank you. I knew I was forgetting to set up some sort of appointment.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at January 09, 2013 12:18 PM (BrQrN)

171 Forget guns, parentheticals need to be banned.


Posted by: weft cut-loop at January 09, 2013 12:17 PM (djdc7)

AND ampersands!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at January 09, 2013 12:19 PM (Cnqmv)

172 And so our "elites" -- and honestly, we need to start looking for a more
accurate discriptor -- come back with completely-wrong information
about foreign countries.


The Dookies!!!!

Posted by: Dick Vitale!!!! at January 09, 2013 12:19 PM (KXm42)

173 This movie was done in the early sixties. Cultural norms have changed a ton.


Posted by: fixerupper at January 09, 2013 12:07 PM (nELVU)

The entertainment industry is always pushing a cultural message of "change." The tv show "Glee" is a non stop homosexual propaganda message, as is "modern family".

It's what they do, and it has badly corroded the social structure.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 09, 2013 12:20 PM (bb5+k)

174 Posted by: sven10077 at January 09, 2013 12:13 PM (LRFds)


Thanks, LOL I was about to go through the laborious process of copying every chapter and pasting it in a text file for the Kindle until I got to the bottom of the first chapter and found a link to a Kindle file.

Posted by: Vic at January 09, 2013 12:20 PM (53z96)

175 sort of like having your teeth cleaned, but without the dental hygienist's tits in your face.

+1

Posted by: EC at January 09, 2013 12:20 PM (GQ8sn)

176 They have been inoculated from true learning. They learned to game the system to rise to their various levels of incompetence. We have a nation being run and supported by apparatchiks assuming they are learned nobility.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 09, 2013 12:20 PM (AgRBF)

177
You can always tell when a post is conservatively correct -- and can't be assailed on those grounds -- when the True Conservatives, who are largely just trying to get themselves declared King of the Mountain (that is, they're interested in intraparty jockeying for position and status, and not anything beyond that) shifts their insults from "NOT CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH!!!" to "CONSERVATIVES ALREADY KNEW THIS!!! (By Ace)

FWIW Ace, I think deep down we all kinda knew this, viscerally, but didn't really know we knew it.
That is to say, it's one of those self-evident things that's not entirely obvious. (If that makes any semblence of sense.)

So Kudos for putting it in such an articulate fashion, far more useful than merely pointing at it and saying "that there!" as many of us do.
The concern though is, why the upper class elites are busy jetsetting don't they have lower class spies that are supposed to opperate for them? That is to say, the bubble exists, but I thought the intelligent were supposed to deploy mechanisms that got around this for the purposes of understanding complexity? In feudal times this happened (to an extent I suppose) so what did we lose that caused Government to totally fuck up in the Middle East.

Posted by: tsrblke at January 09, 2013 12:20 PM (GaqMa)

178 Ace-- If you're looking for a better term for "The Elite", why not use "Cocoonaratti"?

Posted by: AytchMan at January 09, 2013 12:21 PM (ckQtJ)

179 >>>I stopped supporting or idealizing liberalism in the '70's when I found out that all those who cried out about conformity and the establishment had only one goal; to conform and to become the establishment


I see the same with people who yammer on about "greed."

He who smelt it...

Posted by: Dr. Varno at January 09, 2013 12:21 PM (oKVrA)

180 Not trying to be a dick but I would never have heard of Piers Morgan (Piers? WTF?) if it weren't for AoSHQ.

Posted by: eleven at January 09, 2013 12:21 PM (KXm42)

181 Oh I just refer to the elites as 'The Man', the man i grew up hearing about by all my hippy friends, That i would laugh at, but now agree The Hippies have become 'The Man' they feared.

Posted by: ette- at January 09, 2013 12:21 PM (nqBYe)

182 sort of like having your teeth cleaned, but without the dental hygienist's tits in your face.

I'll stick with the tits in my face, thank you.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 09, 2013 12:21 PM (GFM2b)

183
These bourgeois elites are such fools. In the end, I guarantee equal opportunity misery.

Posted by: Communism at January 09, 2013 12:22 PM (vbh31)

184 George Snuffleupagus this morning referred to someone using a .36 caliber pistol.
I am not a firearms expert, but .36 is a novel caliber, no?
At least he was talking about the mom in GA who defended her kids by shooting the home invader, which I never expected.

Posted by: real joe at January 09, 2013 12:22 PM (FoG9u)

185 Maybe we need to seriously reconsider the whole titled nobility thing. If we had clearly identifiable princes, dukes, marquises, barons, earls, etc, it might sink home!

Posted by: Hrothgar - LIB or SMOD (for the Children) at January 09, 2013 12:22 PM (Cnqmv)

186 Everytime George Snuffleupagus interviews someone we should immediately bring up that he was a Clinton political operative. Objectivity, meet door and/or window.

Posted by: Prescient11 at January 09, 2013 12:23 PM (tVTLU)

187 Ever go back and watch re-runs of "Frasier?"

And Kelsey Grammer is known to be a conservative, right?

Oh, that show: How they try so hard to be elite.

At least it had it's moments of humor.

But, our betters have informed us that the mad hi-jinx of the upcoming "1600" (thinly veiled "Obama is awesome" propaganda) will be hi-larious.


Posted by: RoyalOil at January 09, 2013 12:23 PM (imtbm)

188 I find that the most disgusting aspect of all this, those who so openly
prostitute themselves for a party merely because they see a chance to
get invited to attend one of the posh parties.


It is much worse than that, they have created a whole class of people (about 51%) who give their political support because of govt benefits and are perfectly willing to support giving up everybody's freedoms. The FSA will support the govt taking your property( ie, guns) by force.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 09, 2013 12:23 PM (p/cQy)

189 Shooting down to the bottom hear so I'm not sure this term has been used, but I personally like "Mandarin's" to describe our betters.

Posted by: stourma@gmail.com at January 09, 2013 12:23 PM (y67bA)

190 Possum and squirrel are better in a pressure cooker. Does that make me second classs

Posted by: Jean at January 09, 2013 12:24 PM (hjRtO)

191 Way late to the thread but I like "self-labeled elites" to describe those twerps.

Posted by: Palerider at January 09, 2013 12:24 PM (vL0Nv)

192
Ideas can spring from nothing, and "wealth" is created at the nexus of labor and raw materials. The left just doesn't get this.


Posted by: Purp Av at January 09, 2013 12:08 PM (iHs4Z)

Much of the left (those that are employed anyway) is employed in making wealth out of "nothing."

Lawyers, Actors, Educators, Advocacy groups, Bureaucrats, Unions, etc.

What do they produce? Nothing! (Nothing tangible anyway.) What is their input material? Thoughts and Ideas. Yeah, they don't get the nexus of labor and raw materials because their world mostly doesn't work that way.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 09, 2013 12:24 PM (bb5+k)

193 187 Real Joe,

he thought he was "being smart" modern .38sp is really .357 in measurement and was referred to in BP days as .36 cal

This little factoid is why a .357 magnum can shoot .38 sp ammo.

It is also why british .38 is NOT US .38 the webley comes to mind.....

I may not know their bullshit kwanza crap but I know they know dick about the tools of my former trade.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 09, 2013 12:24 PM (LRFds)

194 Hrm. This seems to be the opposite of what happened the last elections. Mrs. Obama went on Oprah to talk about being too stupid to direct her personal chef to keep fruit in the house for her fat kid to snack on, and she was touted as Average Working Mom Understands Your Struggles. Mrs. Ryan wore a dress from Kohls and was touted as Playacting Rich Bitch Pretending To Be Normal.
Posted by: HeatherRadish™ #NukeIowaCity at January 09, 2013 12:14 PM (ZKzrr)


That would be because Mrs. Ryan is the wife of a Republican. Such people are not considered members of the New Mandarinity. Any of them who attempt to "rise above their station" can be derided at will.

Mrs. Obama, on the other hand, is a tried and true member of the aristocracy -- being, as she is, a socialist harridan -- and if there's one thing the Neo-Mandarins LOVE doing more than talking about how in touch they are with the "little people," it's talking about how much BETTER they are than the "little people." "Mrs. Ryan shops at Kohl's? Silly thing. If she wants to impress, she MUST go to Sacs 5th Avenue. Or, better still, Paris. But that's what you get when you're a small-time wannabe playacting at being elite. A-ha-ha-ha."

But since Democrats know that they're supposed to be appealing to those very "little people" they so love to deride, they have to act like THEY are little people themselves, even though their every word and deed contradicts that claim. "So I was having pate with Ban Ki Moon at the UN General Assembly mixer, and we were talking about the plight of the poor starving children in Africa. As you know, I've worked extensively with these poor, starving children, since I'm such a salt of the earth kind of person, and I frequently flit over to Africa on my private jet to chit chat with the movers and shakers there to make them understand the plight of their poor, starving children..."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 09, 2013 12:24 PM (4df7R)

195 George Snuffleupagus this morning referred to someone using a .36 caliber pistol.
I am not a firearms expert, but .36 is a novel caliber, no?

----

Cap and ball. Black powder.

.... but methinks Georgies didnt know WTF he was talking about.

See Aces Post at the top.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 09, 2013 12:24 PM (nELVU)

196 Honey Boo Boo is the child of a dumb red neck middle GA mom (lives about 25 miles North of Dublin, GA.


The new "it" girl is the product of the entertainment industry's fascination with all things red neck now.

http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=783848affid=100055

Posted by: Vic at January 09, 2013 12:24 PM (53z96)

197 He who smelt it... Posted by: Dr. Varno

Not for long.

Posted by: Dr. Al Roker & his Amazing Band at January 09, 2013 12:25 PM (djdc7)

198 Excellent piece, Ace.

And I still recommend "ruling class" for "elites".

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 09, 2013 12:25 PM (ZPrif)

199 I am not a firearms expert, but .36 is a novel caliber, no?

It's a fully-automatic AK-47 variant.

Posted by: The willfully-ignorant MFM at January 09, 2013 12:25 PM (vbh31)

200 Huxley is much much closer to where I think we are
going. That is, unless these idiots take the wrong path down 1984 as
they are so wont to do with our fundamental civil rights like the 2nd
Amendment. They might screw up the gradual decay they are so rooting
for.

Posted by: Prescient11 at January 09, 2013 11:42 AM (tVTLU)
What we see is a combination, Brave new 1984.Jailing anti-Islamic youtube video poster = 1984.Comedy central = Brave new world.




Posted by: Temper Tantrum at January 09, 2013 12:25 PM (AWmfW)

201 If you don't know who Honey Boo Boo is then you are living a purposedlysheltered a life as the douchebag elites we are discussing.

Posted by: polynikes at January 09, 2013 12:25 PM (m2CN7)

202
Ever go back and watch re-runs of "Frasier?"

And Kelsey Grammer is known to be a conservative, right?

Oh, that show: How they try so hard to be elite.

At least it had it's moments of humor.

But,
our betters have informed us that the mad hi-jinx of the upcoming
"1600" (thinly veiled "Obama is awesome" propaganda) will be hi-larious.


Yes, KG is an "out of closet" con.

On the show, all the elite pretenciousness was funny because they went overboard with some of it. Every ep that had Frasier and Niles talking about wine, food, operas, etc ended up being a fight over who had more knowledge. I would say Niles was the more "elitist" of the two.

Posted by: EC at January 09, 2013 12:25 PM (GQ8sn)

203 To me, this post kind of mirrors Charles Murray and "Coming Apart." I have the impression, working in a highly cosmopolitan corporate environment, that some kind of new class structure may be emerging in America, perhaps something to do with corporation elites and management class vs the fly-over Americans. Morgan and Obama succeed because they know how to talk to this new elite.

Posted by: Cricket at January 09, 2013 12:25 PM (DrC22)

204 191 Guy Mohawk,

Yup...of course it means collateral damage will be a bonus not a ding if it ever comes to that.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 09, 2013 12:26 PM (LRFds)

205 And so our "elites" -- and honestly, we need to start looking for a more accurate discriptor

I've been saying this forever. Nothing pisses me off more than the libertarian/ conservative side handing them this label. In what universe are a bunch of half-educated, lazy, tenth rate academics and politicos the elite? What makes them superior? Any fool can go off and get a hook and crook credential from these indoctrination factories known as universities. The only requirement is a a narrow slip of paper that starts with "pay to the order of." And this is true of even the most "elite" institutions.

Posted by: Kim at January 09, 2013 12:26 PM (JSebC)

206 Except Jackie Chan. He's just perfect.

You must not watch the credits or did I miss a /sarc.

Posted by: DaveA at January 09, 2013 12:26 PM (I3vTd)

207 The small town of Occidental in northern California always interested me, because it does not look like any other small town I've ever seen


Small town are usually have the houses--and especially any businesses--lined up close along both sides of the main street, with maybe a few short streets trailing off. Occidental has large parking lots along the one north-south main street, with landscaped trees scattered tastefully about. Even though it is small and can't produce the revenue to pay for such things, the old hotel and fire station have been preserved


Explanation: it's right on the edge of The Bohemian Grove; our Betters use the town for their convenience, and want it to look like their ideal. It's not real: Not subject to the typical market forces. It's a weird combination of Potemkin Village and 'rich gals 7=11 storefront plaza'


Posted by: Vung Tau, with the Aussies at January 09, 2013 12:26 PM (Dll6b)

208 203 Temper Tantrum,

Pretty much Huxley is the mask orwell the smile behind the grin and our final destination.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 09, 2013 12:26 PM (LRFds)

209 How about Ruling Caste? has a certain flare, although I still favor The New Mandarins

Posted by: Thunderb at January 09, 2013 12:27 PM (Dnbau)

210 sort of like having your teeth cleaned, but without the dental hygienist's tits in your face.



Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at January 09, 2013 12:17 PM (



I love that. I had one years ago who kept dragging them across my face. I knew damn well she was doing it purposely. When she got done, and I swear to god this is the truth, she rolled her chair back a little, put a few drops of hand lotion on her hands and was working it in, and she says "is there anything else you would like me to polish"?

Well, younger and crazier metal musician berzerker me blurts out in true moron fashion 'Fuck yeah, you can wax my carrot" lol

Another assistant walked in right after I said that, so who knows wtf would have happened.

Posted by: Berserker at January 09, 2013 12:27 PM (FMbng)

211 Hrothgar, well we may let the Kennedy's, the Rothschild's , etc assume those mantels.

as i believe they already have.

Posted by: ette- at January 09, 2013 12:27 PM (nqBYe)

212 Just call them what they are - Fascist Aristocrats.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at January 09, 2013 12:27 PM (57Eyd)

213 2 "and probably wouldn't be any fun to have a sexual affair with"

Not sure I follow the logic there. I think history is chock-full of such dalliances.
Posted by: USA at January 09, 2013 11:57 AM (RIg+t)
________________________

Tom Jefferson and Sally Hemings agree.

Posted by: Observer at January 09, 2013 12:27 PM (/sohm)

214 Or Aristocratic Fascisti

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at January 09, 2013 12:27 PM (57Eyd)

215 If you don't know who Honey Boo Boo is then you are
living a purposedlysheltered a life as the douchebag elites we are
discussing.

Posted by: polynikes at January 09, 2013 12:25 PM (m2CN7)

----
Yeah....I dont watch TV..... therefore Im a douchebag?

Posted by: fixerupper at January 09, 2013 12:27 PM (nELVU)

216 And have we heard one word about "propane control"??



Exactly.

Posted by: Prescient11 at January 09, 2013 12:08 PM (tVTLU)

We should not even put up with having this discussion. At every opportunity, we should say "Shut up you stupid fuck!!!"

The topic ought not be debated, and anyone attempting to debate it needs to be mocked and ridiculed as a particularly stupid class of fool. Ridicule is the only way to respond to these people.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 09, 2013 12:27 PM (bb5+k)

217 Has anybody thought of using the term "Mandarin" for the elites?

Posted by: Hamilton Burger at January 09, 2013 12:27 PM (J+6te)

218 But, our betters have informed us that the mad hi-jinx of the upcoming
"1600" (thinly veiled "Obama is awesome" propaganda) will be hi-larious.


Seriously tho....anyone who watches that silly shit needs to just end it all.


Posted by: eleven at January 09, 2013 12:28 PM (KXm42)

219 >>>I find that the most disgusting aspect of all this, those who so openly
prostitute themselves for a party merely because they see a chance to
get invited to attend one of the posh parties.

The funny thing is that political professionals tend to care less about politics than laymen activists.

When you think about it, this is inevitable: After all, politics is now their job. When something's your job, you have other concerns besides pure policy.

For example, now you DO care about the permanent washington establishment because that's who gives you jobs. Politicians don't-- they bring their own people with them, by and large.

the other thing is that the DC establishment is much, much more liberal on social issues than the grassroots largely due to cultural norms they either grew up with or the cultural norms of the place they live -- which is a city, and sort of northeastern one at that.

Posted by: ace at January 09, 2013 12:28 PM (LCRYB)

220
A 9mm, .380, .357, and .38 Special are all .36 cal if you're sooper smart and can round up like Snuffaluffagus.

Cripes, we're having our BOL sherdded by people who literally can't understand from what end of the gun a bullet exits.

Posted by: Jaws at January 09, 2013 12:28 PM (4I3Uo)

221 164Ok I have to ask. WHO the fuck is honey boo boo?
Posted by: Berserker at January 09, 2013 12:15 PM (FMbng) Nobody. Just fucking nobody. You flushed it's equal when you took your morning dump. In this case, ignorance is no sin, nor any problem.

Posted by: maddogg at January 09, 2013 12:28 PM (OlN4e)

222 Honey Boo Boo is the child of a dumb red neck middle GA mom (lives about 25 miles North of Dublin, GA.

They're not even real rednecks--rednecks farm and hunt and fix up their trucks and useful interesting shit like that.

They're just trailer trash.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ #NukeIowaCity at January 09, 2013 12:28 PM (ZKzrr)

223 Depending on the location I call it two things. Domestically it's Pretty Woman Syndrome. Oh look this hooker is actually adjusted, articulate and intelligent but only if no one knows where I found her. Internationally it's Drive By Humanitarians. This is Eco tourism where people and there culture are no different than zoo animals or dinosaur skeletons in a museum. Our feudal betters have morphed the two into you are a museum exhibit until you demonstrate you have the correct beliefs and credentials but you are still nouveau feudal no matter what. Make sure no one learns you came from Boise even though you went to Harvard Law. There is an excellent book about the confirmation bias in international reporting called 'Has Anyone Here Been Raped and Speak English?'. FYI

Posted by: Exasperated expat at January 09, 2013 12:28 PM (gkfSV)

224
Side note: Current CNN promo for Piers Morgan has has calling his guest "kind of an idiot."
I'm preplexed as to how this passes for "media." The show perports to be an interview show (replacing Larry King) but is clearly an issues show.
But CNN is so despert for ratings I suppose they're busy just doing anything that grabs headlines.

Posted by: tsrblke at January 09, 2013 12:29 PM (GaqMa)

225 Another assistant walked in right after I said that, so who knows wtf would have happened.

Cockblocked!!!

Posted by: EC at January 09, 2013 12:29 PM (GQ8sn)

226 >>>
You must not watch the credits or did I miss a /sarc.

no just a flopped joke. I'm not even sure why it would be funny.

Posted by: ace at January 09, 2013 12:29 PM (LCRYB)

227 I have a theory that the modern progressive is immensely stupid and knows it. It's probably indistinct from your theory, ace, but I think this is where it comes from.

What they've really done is set up all of politics as a simple melodrama narrative:
(1) The superhero elite who is more knowledgeable, intelligent and just more able than the average person.
(2) The poor benighted victim in distress. They have no value other than to be saved and their opinion is not wanted. In fact, they may have gotten themselves into their predicament by having anything whatsoever to do with...
(3) The villain. All bad things flow from him and, like all good narratives, we must have individual villains (Bush, Koch, Rove) but in a pinch a shadowy cabal will do.

That's it. They see the world as if it were the Perils of Pauline.

I think the key to liberals' success is that they've managed to convince ordinary middle class people that they can be culturally elite if they have the right bien pensants.

The library studies major at Directional Podunk State College who is looking forward to a career as a junior barista at least can look down on those hick gun owners as she walks in mortal fear the two blocks from work to the studio apartment she shares with her abusive boyfriend.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 09, 2013 12:29 PM (T0NGe)

228 I am not a firearms expert, but .36 is a novel caliber, no?


Yes. As far as I can remember, .36 cal was a black powder caliber. In a rifle, it was called a poodle shooter. Because that was all it was considered to be good for.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 09, 2013 12:30 PM (GFM2b)

229
But thanks to Mickey Mouse the law is now death
of the author + 70 years. Aldous Leonard Huxley died in 1963 so it will
not be public domain until 2033 or until Disney goes bankrupt and pulls
its dick out of Congress's ass.


Posted by: Vic at January 09, 2013 12:11 PM (53z96)

And we should have been using Congressional power (when we had it) to fuck over these rent seeking liberal bastards that make their living with copyright laws.

THIS is how the Democrats do it. Attack the financial roots and branches of their enemies with Laws and regulations.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 09, 2013 12:30 PM (bb5+k)

230 >>Ever go back and watch re-runs of "Frasier?"
And Kelsey Grammer is known to be a conservative, right?
Oh, that show: How they try so hard to be elite.
At least it had it's moments of humor.

I'm a big fan of the series and I think you misunderstood the point. They repeatedly set it up so that the audience would mock their attempts at elitism. The humor was self-deprecating. Elitism was generally the pathway to all sorts of problems for Frazier and Niles. And their father, Martin, and even the housekeeper, Daphne, who were clearly "lower class," were often depicted as the voice of reason and common sense.

Posted by: angler at January 09, 2013 12:30 PM (SwjAj)

231 >>>But CNN is so despert for ratings I suppose they're busy just doing anything that grabs headlines.

you see this going on in the media a lot. They're losing viewers and getting desperate. Also, I think, they've figured out that the only way to make decent money with a tiny audience is if it is a microtargeted audience, so advertisers know EXACTLY who they'll be selling to.

I think this is the way of the future.

Posted by: ace at January 09, 2013 12:31 PM (LCRYB)

232 Yeah....I dont watch TV..... therefore Im a douchebag?
Posted by: fixerupper at January 09, 2013 12:27 PM (nELVU)

Yeah if you are one of those people who tell everyone "I don't watch TV' like watching TV is a bad thing. And if you are on the internet, you can't pretend you don't know who Honey Boo Boo is. Its been mentioned in posts on AOS numerous times.

Posted by: polynikes at January 09, 2013 12:31 PM (m2CN7)

233 7 I know what wine to serve with possum.
Posted by: Mr. Dave at January 09, 2013 11:40 AM (qOX+D)

________________________

Only--

Boone's Farm Strawberry Hill will do!

Anything else would be--gauche.

Posted by: tasker at January 09, 2013 12:32 PM (r2PLg)

234 192, or Cardinals

Posted by: Jean at January 09, 2013 12:32 PM (BNuW6)

235 Ace,
Exactly. You want a winning platform, run against congress. It's so easy. Just say that congress will be on social security, just like the rest of us. Maybe when their money is on the line, they'll take care of the programs.

You can use conservative principles to point out our new "ruling class", all of us are somehow stuck with obamacare and shitty social security and now they want to deny us the right to defend ourselves and our kids but they and their kids walk around with armed guards.

This is not fucking difficult.

Diogenes,
I agree, but they are discussing things so you must rationally and calmly point out why they are very very wrong, and the NRA's proposal is the ONLY THING, and I mean only thing, that can possibly protect our kids from crazy fucks.

Posted by: Prescient11 at January 09, 2013 12:32 PM (tVTLU)

236 Has anybody thought of using the term "Mandarin" for the elites?

From Wiki: the system contributed to the narrowness of intellectual life and the autocratic power of the emperor.

Sounds about right.

Posted by: pep at January 09, 2013 12:32 PM (YXmuI)

237 If you don't know who Honey Boo Boo is then you are living a
purposedlysheltered a life as the douchebag elites we are discussing.


And if you do know who Honey Boo Boo is, we win!

Posted by: Department of Pop-Culture Filth at January 09, 2013 12:32 PM (vbh31)

238 >>>They repeatedly set it up so that the audience would mock their attempts at elitism. The humor was self-deprecating. Elitism was generally the pathway to all sorts of problems for Frazier and Niles.

True, but the show did have a baseline level of assumed audience elitism because you don't get the jokes unless you're familiar with the type or the affectation sought.

Like in Spinal Tap, you miss a lot of jokes unless you're at least semi-familiar with Metal.

Posted by: ace at January 09, 2013 12:33 PM (LCRYB)

239 on the honey boo-boo front. Who is more awful, the child who has no choice, the mother who is exploiting whatever financial opportunities she can, or the people who watch it so they can feel superior?

Posted by: Thunderb at January 09, 2013 12:33 PM (Dnbau)

240 The humor was self-deprecating. Elitism was generally the pathway to all sorts of problems for Frazier and Niles. And their father, Martin, and even the housekeeper, Daphne, who were clearly "lower class," were often depicted as the voice of reason and common sense.
Posted by: angler


Winner winner, chicken dinner.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at January 09, 2013 12:33 PM (BrQrN)

241 Honey Boo Boo is the child of a dumb red neck middle GA mom (lives about 25 miles North of Dublin, GA.

They're not even real rednecks--rednecks farm and hunt and fix up their trucks and useful interesting shit like that.

They're just trailer trash.


And mama is an Obama supporter.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 09, 2013 12:33 PM (T0NGe)

242 It's an outgrowth of the intellectual incest coming from the Ivy League circles of finance and law. The same cohorts move in stampede from Yale to Wall Street to Government to Non Profit and then repeat. Pinkies out at cocktail parties they make the West Pointers cliques look like the Little Rascals. We live in the movie Mean Girls and we best start hiring state university graduates every chance we get.

Posted by: Exasperated expat at January 09, 2013 12:33 PM (gkfSV)

243 235 Polynikes,

a decided difference between not knowing by choice and knowing after 5 minutes of watching that trash precisely what it is.

http://youtu.be/nOohj6YTeLk

It is like a funhouse mirror version of jon benet...

God I hate mankind.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 09, 2013 12:33 PM (LRFds)

244 Are there historical parallels with the current "elite" class, who willfully act as the better class, while simultaneously living off the government teat? We have an enormous population who think because they think liberally, that they are better than everyone else, while at the same time, they collect food stamps and live with their parents. They've never, and likely never will, paid off a debt or owned real property.

Posted by: Dax at January 09, 2013 12:34 PM (gUYGX)

245 Vice President Joe Biden described his gun control effort as a “moral issue” when meeting with gun safety advocates and mass shooting victims on Wednesday morning.


Killing the unborn...have at it!

Posted by: RWC at January 09, 2013 12:34 PM (fWAjv)

246 >>>The funny thing is that political professionals tend to care less about politics than laymen activists.

I agree. They don't care. No matter what happens, they and theirs will be taken care of. Just so long as the system--any system--keeps them in that station, they will advocate whatever needs to be advocated.

Newt Gingrich and Al Gore have more in common with each other than they do with you or I . . . .


Posted by: RoyalOil at January 09, 2013 12:34 PM (imtbm)

247 >>>And if you are on the internet, you can't pretend you don't know who Honey Boo Boo is. Its been mentioned in posts on AOS numerous times.


I've heard the name a couple of times but I don't know who that is either, so I guess I'm a douchebag too.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at January 09, 2013 12:34 PM (oKVrA)

248
"is there anything else you would like me to polish"?

I see you got a subscription to Penthouse magazine for Christmas. Nice!

Posted by: Jaws at January 09, 2013 12:34 PM (4I3Uo)

249 I call it Contemporary Haute Feudalism.

Posted by: marcus at January 09, 2013 12:34 PM (GGCsk)

250 I don't know if it's been recommended or not, but "Amusing Ourselves To Death" by Neil Postman is an excellent comparison of Orwell's and Huxley's take on totalitarianism, from the standpoint that Huxley's is the likelier scenario.

In Postman's words, "Orwell feared that what we hate will ruin us. Huxley feared that what we love will ruin us."

There's a cartoon based on some of the book's points out there--it's been pulled from various places for copyright reasons for quoting from the book, but it's out there--that illustrates and summarizes the comparison very, very well. It's worth it to take a look.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Scourge of Zeta Reticulae at January 09, 2013 12:34 PM (GBXon)

251
We need to convince the poor that the chains suck or we're doomed.


Posted by: sven10077 at January 09, 2013 12:11 PM (LRFds)

Had an idea how to do this earlier today. We've discussed making people pay their witholding taxes on the basis that if people had to write a check, it would awaken them to just how much money the government is taking from them that could otherwise wind up in their pocket.

Congress has NEVER wanted the public aware of how much government is costing, hence the automatic witholding. Well, here's the idea. We don't have to have a LAW to do this. Employers could do it themselves if they wanted to.

They could pay their employees their full wages, and when their checks are handed to them, the employer could then say "Just a minute." You have to make out a check to the FedGov to cover your taxes.

Get the idea into practice, and get it to go viral, and it will wake people the fuck up! I'm suspecting that if a company did this, the media would be hard pressed to keep the story buried.

It's an idea. Comments?


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 09, 2013 12:34 PM (bb5+k)

252 "And so our "elites" -- and honestly, we need to start looking for a more accurate discripto"

The word you're looking for is Ubermensch, which we would call either Superman or Overman. It's from Nietzsche.

Just call them Supermen.

Posted by: andrew at January 09, 2013 12:34 PM (5PdYy)

253 you see this going on in the media a lot. They're losing viewers and getting desperate. Also, I think, they've figured out that the only way to make decent money with a tiny audience is if it is a microtargeted audience, so advertisers know EXACTLY who they'll be selling to.

They also subscribe to the "American Idol" theory of television, which is that insulting people and glorifying train wrecks is good business.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 09, 2013 12:35 PM (4df7R)

254 What if Alex Jones was working with Piers Morgan? It all seemed too contrived, if one notes Alex was not interrupted during his tirade.

Posted by: Baldy at January 09, 2013 12:35 PM (opS9C)

255 True, but the show did have a baseline level of assumed audience elitism because you don't get the jokes unless you're familiar with the type or the affectation sought.

I'd say about the same levelas Bugs Bunny.

Posted by: Lurking Canuck at January 09, 2013 12:35 PM (BrQrN)

256 Yeah....I dont watch TV..... therefore Im a douchebag?

I don't watch TV either, but eventually I have to leave my house and go to work or the dentist or the grocery store, and the celebrity shit is on the screens in the waiting rooms or on the magazines in the checkout aisle so the pregnant teenager ahead of me in line buying Doritos with her food stamps is talking about it.

It's so fucking pervasive. I do not remember it being so bad 30 years ago.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ #NukeIowaCity at January 09, 2013 12:35 PM (ZKzrr)

257 I believe the first Gatling guns were .36 cal.

Posted by: Jean at January 09, 2013 12:35 PM (ytax8)

258 The benefit of "ruling class" or "ruling caste" is it's an insult you can use in polite conversation. You get to insult them and pretend you meant no insult. But they will still want to defend against the charge.

"ruling class" or "ruling caste" inherently undermines their authority.

"Elites" or "upper class" inherently strengthens their authority.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 09, 2013 12:35 PM (ZPrif)

259 Yeah if you are one of those people who tell
everyone "I don't watch TV' like watching TV is a bad thing. And if you
are on the internet, you can't pretend you don't know who Honey Boo Boo
is. Its been mentioned in posts on AOS numerous times.

Posted by: polynikes at January 09, 2013 12:31 PM (m2CN7)

----
Allow me to rephrase.I dont watch network TV....
Yes Ive heard of Honey Boo Boo.... I would not know her if I met her in street.If you find that credulous..... well toss off.

Now....

Posted by: fixerupper at January 09, 2013 12:35 PM (nELVU)

260 Boone's Farm Strawberry Hill will do!

Anything else would be--gauche.
Posted by: tasker at January 09, 2013 12:32 PM (r2PLg)

Well, there is always Annie Green Springs Peach Creek.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at January 09, 2013 12:35 PM (l86i3)

261 Used the term mandarin to describe those who gave us TFG in a blog post in 2009.
http://tinyurl.com/c4682o2

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 09, 2013 12:36 PM (AgRBF)

262 ...and there are only two "classes" in real America - Americans and foreigners.

Everything else is layered on by the leftists who idolize and fantasize about the Committee Of Public Safety and the wonders of the French Time Of Terror.

'Cause, you know, it was totally awesome for them to be a'murderin' their political opponents for "giving them the eye" and "sounding anti-revolutionary".

So they put in the whole European "class" theory that our society was made to destroy. And they attempt every day to force a round peg into a tesseract-shaped hole and wonder why we laugh at them.

America's "class" system is a temporary marker, best used by us to plan on making more income. Not determining who is affected less/more by legislation - i.e. "privilege" or "private law". The Left believes they are only subject to "private laws" they view as social necessities. Not the base, common Laws or anything.

they're not Americans, not in any way but location.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at January 09, 2013 12:36 PM (57Eyd)

263 Joe Biden wouldn't know a "moral issue" if it was fucking him up the ass.

Posted by: maddogg at January 09, 2013 12:36 PM (OlN4e)

264 247 Dax,

it is why they are trying to control markets.

The ultimate peaceful 'bomb" we have is to refuse to take EBT or deal with the FSA....


Posted by: sven10077 at January 09, 2013 12:36 PM (LRFds)

265 Spot on piece, Ace. If I might, I'd add a touch of embarrassment and self-loathing into the "elite" mixture. Embarrassment that those lower orders might actually know something that contributes to an understanding of the subject at hand, which is why you can never get one to define a "fair share" or an "assault weapon." Such knowledge is a sign that one is conversant with the lower classes, and an identification that one's breeding might not be up to snuff.

And self-loathing, that they still have to take the concerns of the rabble into consideration. They loathe themselves for having to make accomodations with us in order to get some of their legislation passed.

But I suspect you could weave that into the discussion better than I can. These high-power intellectual threads are where I generally lose my mojo.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 09, 2013 12:37 PM (zF6Iw)

266 >>>It's an outgrowth of the intellectual incest coming from the Ivy League circles of finance and law. The same cohorts move in stampede from Yale to Wall Street to Government to Non Profit and then repeat.

well the pattern repeats throughout history, doesn't it? Anyone who has gotten ahead at all (through work, or warfare, or whatever) then seeks to pass his gains on to his children, and not just in terms of money, but in terms of segregating into a partially-permanent upper class. Money can be lost, but class sticks around for a while.

So even if the King's son is a weakling, he's still Royal and invested with rights granted by god. Even if the millionaire's son is a boozehound who blows through his money in fifteen years, he'll still pass him some class (which isn't as easily squandered).

Same with aristocrats, same with the new aristocrats.

the patterns of humanity are pretty consistent!

God, I do sound like a communist.

Posted by: ace at January 09, 2013 12:37 PM (LCRYB)

267 t's an outgrowth of the intellectual incest coming from the Ivy League circles of finance and law. The same cohorts move in stampede from Yale to Wall Street to Government to Non Profit and then repeat. Pinkies out at cocktail parties they make the West Pointers cliques look like the Little Rascals. We live in the movie Mean Girls and we best start hiring state university graduates every chance we get.
Posted by: Exasperated

this this this this this this

you grow up in the right zip code, go to the right school, get a job on wall street, start a hedge fund or become a CEO somewhere, get appointed to some boards of other companies, do some charity work, get some government appointments, make the same set up for our kids, rinse and repeat

The New Mandarins

Posted by: Thunderb at January 09, 2013 12:37 PM (Dnbau)

268 Anyone see that commercial advertising a major networks news reporting--cripes I think it's NBC?

The commercial shows clips of 9/11 and children being evacuated from Sandy Hook elementary--and then it ends with--

Great Television!

I turned to my friend after seeing it and said--

"Jeez you'd think Osama should get an award for Best Directing--or something."

Posted by: tasker at January 09, 2013 12:37 PM (r2PLg)

269
We need to mock the welfare queens and not shy away from tough language. Period.





Posted by: Prescient11 at January 09, 2013 12:14 PM (tVTLU)

You will be labeled a "racist" and dismissed. You won't get air time to correct the misinformation either.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 09, 2013 12:37 PM (bb5+k)

270 But thanks to Mickey Mouse the law is now death
of the author + 70 years. Aldous Leonard Huxley died in 1963 so it will
not be public domain until 2033 or until Disney goes bankrupt and pulls
its dick out of Congress's ass.


I'm a mathematician. My people have been giving it away for free for 5000 years.

I'm fully on board with eliminating intellectual property protection entirely.

But I'm willing to negotiate...a little.

What I don't get is how people who love the inheritance tax think nothing of people earning truly unearned wealth, like that of Disney company profiting from Walt.

Shareholders? Really?

Posted by: AmishDude at January 09, 2013 12:37 PM (T0NGe)

271 And so our "elites" -- and honestly, we need to start looking for a more accurate discriptor
----
Faux-verlords?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at January 09, 2013 12:38 PM (SO2Q8)

272 254 Diogene's Lamp,

it'd be a great thing for states to outlaw.....

the Feds cannot make it needed without touching the tar baby, states CAN make it against the law to auto-withhold.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 09, 2013 12:38 PM (LRFds)

273 Perhaps Piers Morgan (is that a name or a body modification?) could educate me on whether abortions or guns stop more beating hearts each year in this country. And which saves more lives.

Posted by: USA at January 09, 2013 12:38 PM (RIg+t)

274 Ugh. There's nothing wrong with not warching tv or nit knowing who honey boo boo is. It's when you announce that you don't know about thise sorts of things, instead of just doing a quick bing or google, that you look a little douchey.

Posted by: Jenny tries too hard at January 09, 2013 12:38 PM (nA6C8)

275 Few people know what a "mandarin" is. For the average person it has vague connotations of China and oranges.

Insults need to be understood to work.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at January 09, 2013 12:38 PM (ZPrif)

276 Oh and just to be mot juste, Piers Morgan is a twat.

Posted by: marcus at January 09, 2013 12:39 PM (GGCsk)

277 I call it Contemporary Haute Feudalism.
Posted by: marcus at January 09, 2013 12:34 PM (GGCsk)


Actually, I think what we need to do is start calling them something that doesn't involve intellectual, academic terms. They're not worthy of such things. Amongst ourselves terms like "Neo-Mandarins" or, as you put it, "Contemporary Haute Feudalists" works fine, because we realize we're being insulting. These people are so genuinely stupid they wouldn't understand that; at the very least they'd expect their mouth-breathing supporters to be too stupid to understand it. We need to call them something blunt and to the point.

I nominate "Snobs."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 09, 2013 12:39 PM (4df7R)

278 OT. BAN DREADLOCKS

And get a load of the URL, after you click through.
http://is.gd/fhI0Kw

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ #NukeIowaCity at January 09, 2013 12:39 PM (ZKzrr)

279 ace,

I think the confusion from "Madison Conservative" and the like comes from this:

You say (and I agree) that there is no "Conservative Establishment" that controls who gets elected in primaries and the like. According to you (and again, I agree with you) thinking that there is some shadowy group that can completely control so many random elements is akin to believing in the Illuminati and other such conspiracies.

At the same time, you say there is a group of "political elite" that controls the narrative. People like "Madison Conservative" can't see how believing in the first group mean believing in a shadowy conspiracy, and believing in the other is not.

(now, I might be wrong, but that is what *I* got out of Madison Conservative's comment)


Posted by: MrShad at January 09, 2013 12:39 PM (Xqfwb)

280 Piers Stefan Pughe-Morgan (born Piers Stefan O'Meara) AKA Piers Morgan is a jumped up, spotty little mick oik from Surrey who's trying to barge his way to the front of the line using his lower class accent for the effete intellectual snobs in New York and DC.

In MY day he would've been horse whipped and sent back to where he belongs.

*sniff*

Posted by: Bitter Clinger (aka 3 tooth) at January 09, 2013 12:39 PM (3E2th)

281 Humans have a pecking order just like chickens, and they spend a lot of their time making sure the group knows where they are in the social pecking order. *

-----------------------------------

In any group there are peckers and peckees.

Be a Pecker.

_

Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 09, 2013 12:39 PM (RuUvx)

282 THIS is how the Democrats do it. Attack the financial roots and branches of their enemies with Laws and regulations.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 09, 2013 12:30 PM (bb5+k)

Actually the current law was pushed by Sonny Bono, a so-called Republican.

Posted by: Vic at January 09, 2013 12:39 PM (53z96)

283 God, I do sound like a communist.

Posted by: ace at January 09, 2013 12:37 PM (LCRYB)

_______________

Na--you sound like a colonist.

Posted by: tasker at January 09, 2013 12:39 PM (r2PLg)

284 a commenter wrote yesterday (and I hope to write about this at some point) that you can basically understand liberals' view of themselves vis a vis the hoi polloi by thinking about the mental state of the colonialist who's gone off to foreign lands to educate and convert the savages.

except of course they are native-born, nonimmigrant colonialists.

Posted by: ace at January 09, 2013 12:39 PM (LCRYB)

285
I hate Hollywood more than AQ.


Posted by: sven10077 at January 09, 2013 12:17 PM (LRFds)

And they are a far greater threat than Al Qaeada.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 09, 2013 12:40 PM (bb5+k)

286
The elite don't learn what a semi-automatic weapon is because it is totally irrelevent to the argument that they need to banned.

Why clutter the discussion with minutia when it's far easier to make your points witha calm British accent, while the oppositiontries to persuade with raving lunatics.

We conservatives lose so many arguments trying to rely on facts and reason. Until we learn how to play the game, we're going to keep losing.

Posted by: jwest at January 09, 2013 12:40 PM (ZDsRL)

287 Also, I think, they've figured out that the only way to make decent money with a tiny audience is if it is a microtargeted audience, so advertisers know EXACTLY who they'll be selling to.

I think this is the way of the future.

Posted by: ace at January 09, 2013 12:31 PM (LCRYB)



I watch a lot of tennis. The ads of the Tennis Channel are not precisely aimed at the middle class or even the upper middle class. These are aimed at the rich. You know who is a huge sponsor of tennis tournaments and who buys a metric fuckton of ad time? The Emirates Airlines. I find that quite fascinating indeed.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Seriously, Sheldon/Penny to the end. at January 09, 2013 12:40 PM (VtjlW)

288 I believe the first Gatling guns were .36 cal.

Question. Would a Gatling gun technically be a "machine gun" (according to law), or not?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 09, 2013 12:40 PM (5DR1j)

289 I guess Honey Boo Boo is below your stations and it would look negatively upon you to know who she is.

Ironic ain't it.

Posted by: polynikes at January 09, 2013 12:40 PM (m2CN7)

290 Recall the fawning article in Vogue as they praised Assad's wife as thoroughly modern, educated and fashionable. By the time it was in print her husband was killing tens of thousands of Syrians. Tortures handmaiden, in fact.

Thunderb, Robert Avrech at Seraphic Secret - a blog you should link to, Ace - was all over that obscenity. But then, the left has always licked the boots of the powerful, finding "beauty" even in the most loathsome. Michelle "Jackie O reincarnated!" Obama a case in point.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 09, 2013 12:40 PM (zF6Iw)

291 SMOD, take me now. Oxygen Channel to air "All My Babies' Mamas."

http://tinyurl.com/ae7bwgp

Over/under on the number of them who voted (if they bothered) for TFG?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2013 12:40 PM (UOM48)

292 >And so our "elites" -- and honestly, we need to start looking for a more accurate discriptor (sic)
<

I was happy with douchbags. But I am a simple man and it oddly sounds aristocratically French.

Posted by: marcus at January 09, 2013 12:40 PM (GGCsk)

293 The word you're looking for is Ubermensch, which we would call either Superman or Overman. It's from Nietzsche.

Just call them Supermen.


No, no, no. I like Ubermenschen. It has a certain...connotation.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 09, 2013 12:40 PM (T0NGe)

294 But, look at it this way: How would you re-act if you had to call a plumber--a profession you consider dirty--to unplug your sink before the big party?

And he sticks you with a $300 bill for 20 minutes of work?

Why, that's "your class" level wages, you know, credentialed, and that's ghastly!

The liberal hates the plumber for that and takes pains to distinguish themselves.

The conservative would have fixed the damn sink himself.

Posted by: RoyalOil at January 09, 2013 12:41 PM (imtbm)

295 The only secure basis for oligarchy is collectivism. -- stuff Jefferon would have said if Marx was born a hundred years earlier, but really Orwell

Posted by: Beagle at January 09, 2013 12:42 PM (sOtz/)

296 SMOD, take me now. Oxygen Channel to air "All My Babies' Mamas."


They should neuter all people that act like animals, cause that's all it is.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at January 09, 2013 12:42 PM (l86i3)

297 >>> But then, the left has always licked the boots of the powerful, finding "beauty" even in the most loathsome.

a while back Margeret Cho (WHO??!!?) wrote a shameful column about her hero worship of a hip, put-together fashionista she just adored-- the female member of the Meinhof-Bader terrorist crew.

Posted by: ace at January 09, 2013 12:42 PM (LCRYB)

298
It is much worse than that, they have created a
whole class of people (about 51%) who give their political support
because of govt benefits and are perfectly willing to support giving up
everybody's freedoms. The FSA will support the govt taking your
property( ie, guns) by force.


Posted by: Guy Mohawk at January 09, 2013 12:23 PM (p/cQy)

And these people should not be allowed to vote at all! Under our original Governance, they would not have been allowed to vote.

Adding fools to a decision making process can only turn out badly.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 09, 2013 12:42 PM (bb5+k)

299 In any group there are peckers and peckees. Be a Pecker. _
Posted by: BumperStickerist


Agreed.

Posted by: Gary Johnston: Team America at January 09, 2013 12:42 PM (BrQrN)

300 The benefit of "ruling class" or "ruling caste" is it's an insult you can use in polite conversation. You get to insult them and pretend you meant no insult. But they will still want to defend against the charge. "ruling class" or "ruling caste" inherently undermines their authority.

I have to disagree. You're giving them far too much credit. These people genuinely believe they know better than their so-called "inferiors." Rather than defending themselves from being called the "ruling class," they'd start to puff up like the self-absorbed peacocks they are. It would be a term of honor. EVERYONE wants to be part of the RULING class.

Now, I DO like the idea of using the term "Caste." There is nothing positive in that term, and they know it. More importantly, all their idiot mouth-breathing supporters know it (at least, those of them who realize that "caste" is not the same as the plaster thing they wore when they broke their arm in sixth grade).

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 09, 2013 12:42 PM (4df7R)

301 I thought England was the only place where there are still classes?

America doesn't have classes measured the way they do in England. Americans are all equal. Only separated by politicians who use classes to figure out the taxes.

Posted by: Caustic at January 09, 2013 12:42 PM (/b8+5)

302 Question. Would a Gatling gun technically be a "machine gun" (according to law), or not?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 09, 2013 12:40 PM (5DR1j) I doubt it. It isn't fully automatic. You have to work the action by hand. But if motorized, definately.

Posted by: maddogg at January 09, 2013 12:43 PM (OlN4e)

303 Its not just a disdain for knowledge of the lesser things. As Mark Steyn said: "The great thing about multiculturalism is it doesn't involve knowing anything about other cultures..."

He's reworked it several times, but the point is the same: the self professed elites demonstrate a willful ignorance of things. To learn about the state of Malawi, for example, would require them to address the fundamental flaws in their shallow philosophies. Better to mainatain the smug air of condescension, than to risk being called out on your bullshit.

Posted by: Wooga at January 09, 2013 12:43 PM (SNI1D)

304 Money can be lost, but class sticks around for a while.

Ummmmmm.........

Posted by: Paris Hilton at January 09, 2013 12:43 PM (YXmuI)

305 And so our "elites" -- and honestly, we need to start looking for a more accurate discriptor -- come back with completely-wrong information about foreign countries.


Kakistocrats.

Posted by: Truman North at January 09, 2013 12:43 PM (I2LwF)

306 Communism renders -The Ultimate Elitism.

Who determines what is the "greater good"?

The very, very few--and that's why communism always seems to lead to despotism and corruption.

Posted by: tasker at January 09, 2013 12:43 PM (r2PLg)

307 Oh. I just googled Honey Boo Boo.

There. I AM NO LONGER A SNOB.

whew

Posted by: Dr. Varno at January 09, 2013 12:43 PM (oKVrA)

308 >>>America doesn't have classes measured the way they do in England. Americans are all equal. Only separated by politicians who use classes to figure out the taxes.

you're foolin' yourself, mate. you're livin' in a dictatorship, a fascist oligarchy that perpetuates itself by a class heirarchy.

Posted by: Dennis the Peasant at January 09, 2013 12:44 PM (LCRYB)

309 Diogenes:

Trust me, I won't be a candidate. But we can and will get this information out there.

Calling out welfare queens and video of the obamaphone lady is ripe for the pickings.

If very graphic pictures of botched abortions make it on the airwaves as political ads, then making fun of the ghettos and welfare queens surely can be done.

How many times did we see that stupid ad with grandma being thrown off a cliff from a wheelchair. Citizens United says these fools can suck it.

GET IN THE STREETS AND GET BLOODY AND MAKE FUN OF THESE FUCKING SCUMBAGS FOR WHAT THEY ARE....

Posted by: Prescient11 at January 09, 2013 12:44 PM (tVTLU)

310 Harken back to the days of "Camelot." Our "royal" family, the Kennedys.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2013 12:44 PM (UOM48)

311 I doubt it. It isn't fully automatic. You have to work the action by hand. But if motorized, definately.


Hmmm.... I'm sensing possibilities...

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 09, 2013 12:44 PM (5DR1j)

312 291 Allen G,

No it is not.

By definition it is a single shit weapon.

No shit.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 09, 2013 12:44 PM (LRFds)

313 whew
Posted by: Dr. Varno at January 09, 2013 12:43 PM (oKVrA)


Didja feel your IQ drop?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at January 09, 2013 12:44 PM (l86i3)

314 There you go, bringin' class into it again.

Posted by: Old Crone at January 09, 2013 12:44 PM (LCRYB)

315 Oh, one more thing: The Washington DC establishment was horrified that Andrew Jackson's supporters stood on the velvet chairs and got them all muddy so that they could have a better view at his inauguration.

I'd rather hang out with moonshiners than money men.




Posted by: RoyalOil at January 09, 2013 12:44 PM (imtbm)

316 But that's what it's all about!

Posted by: Dennis the Peasant at January 09, 2013 12:45 PM (LCRYB)

317 The new "it" girl is the product of the entertainment industry's fascination with all things red neck now.

http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=783848affid=100055



Posted by: Vic at January 09, 2013 12:24 PM (53z96)

I regard it as an attempt to mock and deride their potential opponents. They know their agendas are not popular in certain swaths of the country, so they seek to promote the ridiculous members of that society as the face of that society.
Communist/National socialist propaganda. They did it to the poles as well.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 09, 2013 12:45 PM (bb5+k)

318 BTW, love you guys. gotta go. Let me know the new lingo for these assholes. Thats good, how about "Those Assholes"

Posted by: Thunderb at January 09, 2013 12:45 PM (Dnbau)

319 Now, does anyone know where I can get a Gatling gun?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 09, 2013 12:45 PM (5DR1j)

320 .36 is a black-powder caliber.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at January 09, 2013 12:45 PM (ma1sf)

321 We need a new English word for Guillotine. The French one is too....French.
Big Blade? Ronco?


Slap Chop?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 09, 2013 12:45 PM (zF6Iw)

322 >>>Conservative sneering at, say, arugula or whatever is similar.

We sneer at the sneering. Arugula, does it really really taste better than say spinach? Which by the way is much cheaper out here in the west. No it's a green leaf and while subtly different in flavor 99% percent of what they are both used for could be used interchangeably. Just because the EXACT flavor of arugula is just not that important to the dish. But we can't eat spinach can we? That's just so common.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 09, 2013 12:45 PM (0q2P7)

323 the female member of the Meinhof-Bader terrorist crew.

Posted by: ace at January 09, 2013 12:42 PM (LCRYB)

________________

Joshka Fischer?

Posted by: tasker at January 09, 2013 12:45 PM (r2PLg)

324 I guess Honey Boo Boo is below your stations and it would look negatively upon you to know who she is.



Ironic ain't it.

Posted by: polynikes at January 09, 2013 12:40 PM (m2CN7)

Jeebus....
What the fuck did I do to incur your wrath.
Okay.... Im a douche because when Berserker said he didnt know who Honey Boo Boo was... I said neither do I, nor do I care to. Let me make this clear. I tried to be nice. Fuck Off.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 09, 2013 12:45 PM (nELVU)

325 Before the post Cold War government expansion to secure and vest a fortune you needed to function in the private sector. The debt financing required by the welfare state allowed you to be in the public sector and score a fortune. The only requirement to vest that fortune was the assurance that those following shared the same values and behaviors. It is a repeating pattern though now instead of granting title to a knight in exchange for fighting the French we appoint his kid to the FCC and collect his campaign donation. All to ensure those barbarians don't come burn down our castle.

Posted by: Exasperated expat at January 09, 2013 12:46 PM (gkfSV)

326 AllenG, I not believe the initial models had a "trigger", so ?

Posted by: Jean at January 09, 2013 12:46 PM (tmzN0)

327 America doesn't have classes measured the way they do in England. Americans are all equal. Only separated by politicians who use classes to figure out the taxes.

Socialism (or "progressivism", if you wish) creates classes. I think we focus too much on the hereditary classes; i.e., the dimwit kids in the Ivies.

They form the class by their connections and also set up an Inner Party/Outer Party structure.

So many people love being part of the Outer Party.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 09, 2013 12:46 PM (T0NGe)

328
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 09, 2013 12:44 PM (5DR1j)




Keep in mind it takes a team of horses and a crew to move and operate one, even if motorized. They weigh like 1200 poundsl

Posted by: maddogg at January 09, 2013 12:46 PM (OlN4e)

329 310 Doc varno,

Yeah well forknown, foreskinned, foresquare, forearmed.....


when I heard some folks at a truckstop discussing it I looked into it.

mentioned it here some but try to ignore it.

They are the moonbat version of Step'n'fethcit

Posted by: sven10077 at January 09, 2013 12:46 PM (LRFds)

330 Diogenes:

I would wholeheartedly support that. If you are on welfare, real welfare not college loan assistance, for more than two years, you would lose your right to vote.

I would also attack Section 8 with a hatchet. Make that kind of living miserable and isolated to provide the motive to GTFO and get a job.

Posted by: Prescient11 at January 09, 2013 12:46 PM (tVTLU)

331 We need a new English word for Guillotine. The French one is too....French.

Big Blade? Ronco?


How about the Whackthonk?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 09, 2013 12:46 PM (0q2P7)

332 Or call them Untermenschen. See if they catch the dig.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 09, 2013 12:46 PM (AgRBF)

333 I thought England was the only place where there are still classes?

Posted by: Caustic at January 09, 2013 12:42 PM (/b8+5)


Not even by a long shot.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 09, 2013 12:46 PM (4df7R)

334 Didja feel your IQ drop?
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at January 09, 2013 12:44 PM (l86i3)


Slightly. The show takes place about an hour or so south of me, so I can expect to hear "THERE'S NO WAY YOU COULDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT, SNOB"

Posted by: Dr. Varno at January 09, 2013 12:47 PM (oKVrA)

335 But we can't eat spinach can we? That's just so common.



That's what Michelle tells our chef.

Posted by: King Baracka Choom at January 09, 2013 12:47 PM (UOM48)

336 Now, does anyone know where I can get a Gatling gun?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 09, 2013 12:45 PM (5DR1j)

My uncle is a tool and die maker. Built one from scratch. Right befor it was finished he got a visit. It now resides in a Clinton Ill museum.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at January 09, 2013 12:47 PM (l86i3)

337 Okay...after reading what Ace wrote and acknowledging that the "elite" or whatever we are going to call them are stuck up and think our opinions basically don't matter and blah, blah, blah...I have to ask: Is there anything we can actually do to stop these ignorant stuck-ups? I'm as tired of them, yea, wearied by their endless prattle and condescending attitudes, but does anyone have a realistic solution to this problem?

Posted by: Mr_Write at January 09, 2013 12:47 PM (CLkAH)

338 Well unless honey boo boo shows up on the history or sci-fi channel I'm not going to know who she is. I think I saw a pic one time or another, but couldn't tell you if she is a dollar whore or an army general.

Posted by: Berserker at January 09, 2013 12:47 PM (FMbng)

339 322 Now, does anyone know where I can get a Gatling gun?
---
Gawker might...

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at January 09, 2013 12:48 PM (SO2Q8)

340 At the same time, you say there is a group of
"political elite" that controls the narrative. People like "Madison
Conservative" can't see how believing in the first group mean believing
in a shadowy conspiracy, and believing in the other is not.

(now, I might be wrong, but that is what *I* got out of Madison Conservative's comment)




Posted by: MrShad at January 09, 2013 12:39 PM (Xqfwb)

It's more like a school of piranhas. They don't need to agree on everything. They just agree that you are the Enemy.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 75% more DOOM! at January 09, 2013 12:48 PM (xAtAj)

341 Keep in mind it takes a team of horses and a crew to move and operate one, even if motorized. They weigh like 1200 poundsl
Posted by: maddogg at January 09, 2013 12:46 PM (OlN4e)



So that's like, what, one velociraptor?


brb hooking up a sledge

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Seriously, Sheldon/Penny to the end. at January 09, 2013 12:48 PM (VtjlW)

342 I guess Honey Boo Boo is below your stations and it would look negatively upon you to know who she is.
What I find irritating is the implication that I MUST know who she is just because I happen to be alive. Yes, I know who she is. No, I do not watch the show, just as I don't watch any other so-called "reality" show. When people start watching television to get a taste of "reality," the world is fundamentally fucked up. I prefer my reality to be real.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 09, 2013 12:49 PM (4df7R)

343 These are the types of societal differences which spark revolutionary changes.

People revolt in many different ways- whether culturally, through democratic change or armed conflicts.

But history aptly shows you can't forces such grotesque changes in social mores or perceptions in societal order, real or imagined, (e.g. the elites and peasant) without eventually encouraging some type of significant response.

Posted by: marcus at January 09, 2013 12:49 PM (GGCsk)

344 Keep in mind it takes a team of horses and a crew to move and operate one, even if motorized. They weigh like 1200 poundsl

And? That means I shouldn't want one because...?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 09, 2013 12:49 PM (5DR1j)

345 America has far less class then us britons
Posted by: britons at January 09, 2013 12:48 PM (uFY4s)


Maybe, but we have better teeth, food, cars and Booze.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at January 09, 2013 12:49 PM (l86i3)

346 Great headline breaking on guns.

They are really barking up the wrong tree here. This is not the fight they should be picking.

But I suppose we will see.

Posted by: Prescient11 at January 09, 2013 12:49 PM (tVTLU)

347 Mrs Fixer loves old movies. We were watching a movie... I forget the name... with Jimmie Stuart and Sandra Dee as his daughter. Readers Digest condense version is SD goes to college and Dad cant cope.What struck me was the amount of stuff in the movie that would not fly today.* Everybody smoked* Mom wore a fur stole.* Most of the girls wore skirts or dresses.* Mom and Dad were married.* Black folks were bellhops and porters.* Sandra Dees professor had wandering hands.... (done tongue in cheek... not patriarchical oppression)* No security at the airport.This movie was done in the early sixties. Cultural norms have changed a ton.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 09, 2013 12:07 PM (nELVU)


That's Take Her, She's Mine from 1961. I think it was on TCM last Sunday.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 09, 2013 12:49 PM (zF6Iw)

348 Or call them Untermenschen. See if they catch the dig.

There is a reason that I have withering insults for the intellectual rigors of the humanities, social sciences and especially law school.

They need to be brought down. Hard. Rather than objects of respect, they should be objects of ridicule.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 09, 2013 12:49 PM (T0NGe)

349 brainstorming labels:
Aristodems
Progtocracy
Obatocracy

Posted by: votermom at January 09, 2013 12:49 PM (IC7TE)

350 331 madDog,

You're thinking of a big version....

you can build a .38sp version that weighs about 140 pounds.


Posted by: sven10077 at January 09, 2013 12:49 PM (LRFds)

351 On Drudge I mean.

Posted by: Prescient11 at January 09, 2013 12:50 PM (tVTLU)

352 Someone put me some knowledge (cause I's an idjit, I guess): Did Piers Morgan have to leave GB?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2013 12:50 PM (UOM48)

353 We need a new English word for Guillotine. The French one is too....French.

Just thinking out loud again.

Posted by: Jaws at January 09, 2013 11:55 AM (4I3Uo)


"Axe" works just dandy. Ask Anne Boleyn.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at January 09, 2013 12:50 PM (29+x5)

354 Question. Would a Gatling gun technically be a "machine gun" (according to law), or not?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 09, 2013 12:40 PM (5DR1j)

Hand cranked it is a firearm. Electric motor it is a machine gun.

Posted by: RWC at January 09, 2013 12:50 PM (fWAjv)

355 Don't call them the 'elite' call them the 'Effete class' that is far closer to the truth.

Posted by: CitizenEgg at January 09, 2013 12:50 PM (RB0el)

356 It isn't really communism to acknowledge the caste system and want to put an end to it.

Freedom-loving people in every age have done that.

What separates the communist from the classical liberal is what happens AFTER the class structures are pulled down. Do we build a new class structure based on political connections, one even more terrible and brutal because it is possessed of self-righteous fury and driven by a need for revenge? Or do we allow men to be men, each to pursue his own interests and keep the value of his own work?

Posted by: MrShad at January 09, 2013 12:50 PM (Xqfwb)

357 We need a new English word for Guillotine. The French one is too....French.



Big Blade? Ronco?

Slap Chop?


Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 09, 2013 12:45 PM (zF6Iw) /i]


I laughed. A LOT.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 09, 2013 12:50 PM (4df7R)

358 DUDE!

The Gatling gun was first used in warfare during the American Civil War. The gun was not accepted by the Union Army until 1866, but a "sales engineer" of the manufacturing company demonstrated it in combat.

Posted by: Jean at January 09, 2013 12:50 PM (bZKG0)

359 The great Honey Boo Boo divide!

I have no idea who that is either. I just watch sports and movies and cable-y type shit like how the Iceland volcanoes will doom us all. And teh AoSHQ.


Posted by: eleven at January 09, 2013 12:51 PM (KXm42)

360 Big Blade? Ronco?

Slap Chop?


Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 09, 2013 12:45 PM (zF6Iw) /i]


LOL

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at January 09, 2013 12:51 PM (l86i3)

361 Posted by: britons at January 09, 2013 12:48 PM (uFY4s)

Funny thing. The "Britons" should, by all rights, be French (where Britony is/was). The "British" however (hailing from the British Isles) are made up mostly of the Welsh, the Angles, the Scots, and the Picts. The Saxons and Normans were later imports.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at January 09, 2013 12:51 PM (5DR1j)

362 Honestly, I'm glad the 'elites' know very little about guns. The more they know, the more their gun grabbing laws will be effective. Idiots like Feinstein write the useless assault weapons ban of 1994.

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at January 09, 2013 12:51 PM (QyMDY)

363 It would appear that we, the people, with our constitutional protestations, have brought displeasure upon a Brit, currently played by Sir Pierce Morgan of Elsewhere.

Haven't I seen this movie before?

Posted by: USA at January 09, 2013 12:51 PM (RIg+t)

364 If I recall correctly, the original Gatlings were magazine fed. If each magazine holds 50 rounds, and you are shooting at 1200 rounds per minute, each magazine will have to be changed every 2.5 seconds. Sounds inconvenient at the very least.

Posted by: maddogg at January 09, 2013 12:52 PM (OlN4e)

365 Excellent post, Ace.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at January 09, 2013 12:52 PM (P7hip)

366 Question. Would a Gatling gun technically be a "machine gun" (according to law), or not?

Not sure since there is technically no trigger. (Just the crank)

Posted by: rickb223 at January 09, 2013 12:52 PM (GFM2b)

367 They are really barking up the wrong tree here. This is not the fight they should be picking.

Well, that's what the Democrat party believed after 2000. Really killed them in the Midwest. We'll see. I think the Dems are now a choir party. They don't need middle America anymore and they still have enough of middle America with platitudes like "party of the little guy" to get by.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 09, 2013 12:52 PM (T0NGe)

368 Now, does anyone know where I can get a Gatling gun?

I'm sure we could find you one. How many tens of thousands do you have to spend?

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 09, 2013 12:52 PM (SY2Kh)

369 Well if you can't scrounge up a trained team of horses and a wagon. Can always weld a pintle mount in the back of your F-250. Put in the front of the bed a small generator and fuel tank to power the electric motor you use to drive the modern Gatling in 7.62. Run along the sides of the bed the ammo storage and make sure its properly belted.

Equip said gun with shield and perhaps also rig up the gun to traverse electrically. Along with a comfortable seat with built in drink dispenser.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 09, 2013 12:52 PM (AgRBF)

370 Well, that headline at Drudge should get people stirred up.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2013 12:53 PM (UOM48)

371 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 09, 2013 12:49 PM (4df7R)

What's irritating to me are posters who are rightfully bashing the elites because they look down onwho they believe to be their inferiorswho at the same time either pretend they don't know who Honey Boo Boo is or look down on them as their inferiors.

Posted by: polynikes at January 09, 2013 12:53 PM (m2CN7)

372 Is there anything we can actually do to stop these ignorant stuck-ups? I'm as tired of them, yea, wearied by their endless prattle and condescending attitudes, but does anyone have a realistic solution to this problem?
Posted by: Mr_Write at January 09, 2013 12:47 PM (CLkAH)


Mockery. Unbridled mockery. If someone tells you, "You're being ruide!" when you're laughing during the Preezy's State of the Union, just laugh more.

Mock, deride, humiliate.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 09, 2013 12:53 PM (4df7R)

373 That's Take Her, She's Mine from 1961. I think it was on TCM last Sunday.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at January 09, 2013 12:49 PM (zF6Iw)

Yup that's it. Thanks.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 09, 2013 12:53 PM (nELVU)

374 Great piece.

Posted by: sexypig at January 09, 2013 12:53 PM (dZQh7)

375 Equip said gun with shield and perhaps also rig up the gun to traverse electrically. Along with a comfortable seat with built in drink dispenser.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 09, 2013 12:52 PM (AgRBF)

We can always ask our Syrian rebel friends, they seem to do much with little.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at January 09, 2013 12:54 PM (l86i3)

376 Posted by: Mr_Write at January 09, 2013 12:47 PM (CLkAH)

Someone said something about arugula. People always ate arugula routinely but then some chef in some restaurant got the idea to charge a lot of money for it and make it something special. Essentially, he took lettuce that many people ate all the time and made it seem great.

Tiffany did the same thing with silver. When silver went down in price, they wisely bought a crap ton of it. Then they made jewelry out of it and made it something to be more desired than their gold jewelry. It was really them just capitalizing on someone's wise silver purchase when silver was dirt cheap.

If you learn how to make something desired by the masses then you have learned the trick of the allots (elites). Then you can bring back nationalism, mom's apple pie, the American dream, patriotism, and all manner of highly desirable traits that form a quintessential America. The allots would be tripping all over themselves to acquire these attributes.

Posted by: Caustic at January 09, 2013 12:54 PM (/b8+5)

377 @375

They'd better redneckonize!

Posted by: JDTAY at January 09, 2013 12:54 PM (a0nis)

378 Yes, I know who she is. No, I do not watch the
show, just as I don't watch any other so-called "reality" show. When
people start watching television to get a taste of "reality," the world
is fundamentally fucked up. I prefer my reality to be real.



Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 09, 2013 12:49 PM


Yeah thats my attitude in a nutshell. I don't do reality shows, not even the ones they stick on sci-fi. Jersey shore, kardashians, fucking kate plus 8 and who she ate etc I really don't give a fuck

Posted by: Berserker at January 09, 2013 12:54 PM (FMbng)

379 Who's pretending?

Posted by: Dr. Varno at January 09, 2013 12:54 PM (oKVrA)

380
The difference is the stuff we know and they don't--guns, budgets, American History before 1968--has some value. All that celebrity crap is good for is signaling to superficial people that you might be one of them (which is why I so resent that it's so impossible to escape hearing about it without becoming a shut-in).

While I agree with you, that's our view. Those things have value to us, but to Piers, they are like Honey Boo Boo - irredeemable crap. Conversely, the people who love Honey Boo Boo think that shit has value, but to us, it's shit.

If you don't know who Honey Boo Boo is then you are living a purposedlysheltered a life as the douchebag elites we are discussing.

Purposely sheltered? Yes. I cannot expose myself to a constant stream of crap I see no value in without degrading my quality of life. So what?

I mean shit, you're a socon, no? Railing about teh geys and the gutter that has become our culture? You telling me you tune in to Glee just to not be a sheltered douchebag? Or do you shun it?

The difference - the only one I can figgure - between me and those elites is I'm perfectly fineallowing others their crap. Yes I ignore them, but I just ignore them. If only those assholes would have the courtesy to simply ignore me rather than trying to fix me, I wouldn't really care.

Posted by: Entropy at January 09, 2013 12:54 PM (TULs6)

381 Allen G,

No it is not.

By definition it is a single shit weapon.


Well, it certainly slings the shit.

Posted by: rickb223 at January 09, 2013 12:54 PM (GFM2b)

382 You can get one at Cabelas

http://www.cabelas.com/10-22-accessories-gatling-gun-kit-1.shtml

Posted by: Jean at January 09, 2013 12:54 PM (bZKG0)

383 How about the Whackthonk?

Evocative.

Posted by: eleven at January 09, 2013 12:54 PM (KXm42)

384 Bah. Guillotine was invented as a merciful execution.
I say hang em high.

Posted by: votermom at January 09, 2013 12:54 PM (IC7TE)

385 Quoting votermom: "brainstorming labels:

Aristodems

Progtocracy

Obatocracy"


I really like Progtocracy. It rolls off the tongue very nicely.

Posted by: Mr_Write at January 09, 2013 12:54 PM (CLkAH)

386 Since Twilight was all the rage, let's just call them the Volutri; that might actually get people to think.

Posted by: stourma at January 09, 2013 12:54 PM (JSetw)

387
it'd be a great thing for states to outlaw.....

the Feds cannot make it needed without touching the tar baby, states CAN make it against the law to auto-withhold.


Posted by: sven10077 at January 09, 2013 12:38 PM (LRFds)

Unfortunately, the States which most need the lesson are the least likely to do such a thing. I think my point was to attack the institution of automatic witholding in the same manner that Wisconsin attacked the automatic witholding of Union dues.

Get that snowball rolling somehow.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 09, 2013 12:55 PM (bb5+k)

388 I admit it, Honey Boo Boo is superior to me, but not by much.

Posted by: A Paramecium at January 09, 2013 12:55 PM (OlN4e)

389 Federal definition of a machine gun

A machine is any weapon which shoots automatically more than one shot
without manually reloading by a single function of the trigger. See
26 USC 5845(b). The definition of machine gun includes the frame or
receiver, and any parts from which a machine gun can be assembled.



So yes a Gatling Gun is a machine gun for the purposes of the law. However if you can find one manufactured before 1898 it is exempt from the laws.


Good luck, they go for around $300,000 now.

Posted by: Vic at January 09, 2013 12:55 PM (53z96)

390 Tiffany did the same thing with silver. When silver went down in price, they wisely bought a crap ton of it.

I knew she was smarter than Debbie Gibson.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 09, 2013 12:55 PM (T0NGe)

391 Just for clarities sake, I had to look that up. Just trying to keep the man card is all.

Posted by: stourma at January 09, 2013 12:56 PM (Mv/2X)

392 I knew she was smarter than Debbie Gibson.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 09, 2013 12:55 PM (T0NGe)


LOL

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at January 09, 2013 12:56 PM (l86i3)

393 Conservatists. We are the new reds.

Brown people harvest our foods, they build our homes and clip our lawns. It's true here in California and no one in the SF/LA bay area regions bats an eye.

They play at egalitarianism but practice classism.

The poor agrarian small towns of the California central valley are decayed and shuttered - but residents there are the Unterschicht.

Zip past them on I-5 for the ski weekend at Tahoe or the summer tramp in Yosemite but never_ever_stop_and_look at the in-betweens


Posted by: 13times at January 09, 2013 12:56 PM (h6XiD)

394 OSP the low budget DPshk in the back of a Toyota Tacoma is called a Technical.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 09, 2013 12:57 PM (AgRBF)

395 Quoting MWR: "Mock, deride, humiliate."

Definitely a place to start!

Posted by: Mr_Write at January 09, 2013 12:57 PM (CLkAH)

396 371 AmishDude,

we'll get to find out how cheaply union dems sell their rights.

THIS is where divorces happen BTW

Posted by: sven10077 at January 09, 2013 12:57 PM (LRFds)

397 To go full Marx on ya lemme tell ya the focus of the people's revolution is to use the proletariat to destroy the petit bourgeoise or middle class thus paving the way for the haute bourgeoise to rule in the proletarians best interests. The petit are those who aspire to the morality and ethic of the haute and thus have the ambition and skills necessary to replace the current haute. They fear what you believe and do and that must be eliminated so you cannot take from them.

Posted by: Exasperated expat at January 09, 2013 12:57 PM (gkfSV)

398
In any group there are peckers and peckees.



Be a Pecker.



_



Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 09, 2013 12:39 PM (RuUvx)


I'm a Pecker, you're a Pecker, She's a Pecker, He's a Pecker, wouldn't you like to be a Pecker too?

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 09, 2013 12:57 PM (bb5+k)

399
I don't do reality shows

I like some of them. Survivorman, Wicked Tuna. I know Storage Wars and American Pickersand Oddities is fake but I will watch it anyway if it's on because I like antiques.

But I am looking to move in the near future and bet your ass I won't even suscribe to cable or sattelite.

Posted by: Entropy at January 09, 2013 12:58 PM (TULs6)

400 OSP the low budget DPshk in the back of a Toyota Tacoma is called a Technical.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 09, 2013 12:57 PM (AgRBF)

AHH, that's what they called them in somalia, I did not know that was an international reference.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at January 09, 2013 12:58 PM (l86i3)

401
Posted by: Vic at January 09, 2013 12:55 PM (53z96)
I don't agree Vic. The trigger is internal and requires crank movement to operate it. It does not fire automatically.

Posted by: maddogg at January 09, 2013 12:58 PM (OlN4e)

402 >>>Bah. Guillotine was invented as a merciful execution.

I say hang em high.

Hanging when done correctly is just as effective. Get the right rope length and snap! And I'm sure it would be a damn shame if a child rapist murder came up for execution and the hangman *ahem* accidentally prescribed too short a rope. That accidental suffering while slowly being strangled to death would sure be horrible.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 09, 2013 12:58 PM (0q2P7)

403 AmishDude, they are puffed up pieces of fluff with no idea of how things actually work. Remember Amy Fisher? That mindset and ego. Which is akin to miking TNT and gasoline while leaving Katie Ka-boom with it.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 09, 2013 12:58 PM (AgRBF)

404 What's irritating to me are posters who are rightfully bashing the elites because they look down onwho they believe to be their inferiorswho at the same time either pretend they don't know who Honey Boo Boo is or look down on them as their inferiors.
Posted by: polynikes at January 09, 2013 12:53 PM (m2CN7)


I don't think anyone was looking down on Morons who are also viewers of Honey Boo Boo as inferior, nor looking at Honey Boo Boo and her family as inferiors either. There's a difference between being crass, money hungry exploiters and being inferior.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 09, 2013 12:58 PM (4df7R)

405 393 Vic,

Yeah fun with regulations....in the early '90s they were NOT and you could make a hand crank for 10/22s even.

Asshole feds.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 09, 2013 12:59 PM (LRFds)

406 and honestly, we need to start looking for a more accurate descriptor.


I call them Mutual Mind Masturbators. They are certainly not elite more like semi-credentialed. And guess who does the credentialing. Other Asshats just like them. Funny thing is that most don't think that when they talk about the evil rich that the evil rich includes themselves. Self-denial is their religion instead of self-awareness. Let it burn!!!!!!

Posted by: YaHump at January 09, 2013 12:59 PM (yJlNz)

407 It occurred to me that if I could invent a machine – a gun – which could by its rapidity of fire, enable one man to do as much battle duty as a hundred, that it would, to a large extent supersede the necessity of large armies, and consequently, exposure to battle and disease [would] be greatly diminished.
-Richard Jordan Gatling


Ooopsie.

Posted by: RWC at January 09, 2013 12:59 PM (fWAjv)

408 I've not seen one second of the Honey Boo Boo show or whatever its called. I do allow myself to obtain useless knowledge as its unavoidableunless you are locked in your house without contact to the outside world.

Posted by: polynikes at January 09, 2013 12:59 PM (m2CN7)

409 And I'm sure it would be a damn shame if a child
rapist murder came up for execution and the hangman *ahem* accidentally
prescribed too short a rope. That accidental suffering while slowly
being strangled to death would sure be horrible.


Posted by: MikeTheMoose is Shrugging at January 09, 2013 12:58 PM (0q2P7)

.... or too long..... and the head just **popped** off.....

Posted by: fixerupper at January 09, 2013 01:00 PM (nELVU)

410
The "British" however (hailing from the British Isles) are made up mostly of the Welsh, the Angles, the Scots, and the Picts. The Saxons and Normans were later imports.

The Welsh (and Cornish) arethe originalBritish - The Picts were a seperate ethno-political group, the Scots were from Ireland and didn't arrive until the fifth century, and the Angles basically cousins of the Saxons (same language and culture, different dialects).
If you are talking about Roman or Early Medieval Britain, the term "British" has a fairly specific meaning - Celtir or Romano-Celtic peoples speaking a Brythonic language. Picts are usually considered a different group, possibly a multi-ethnic tribal confederacy.

/history geek

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 09, 2013 01:00 PM (SbPOC)

411 Tiffany did the same thing with silver. When silver went down in price, they wisely bought a crap ton of it.

I knew she was smarter than Debbie Gibson.
Posted by: AmishDude at January 09, 2013 12:55 PM (T0NGe)



Utterly, utterly obligatory -

http://youtu.be/bITmSpxUAA8

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Seriously, Sheldon/Penny to the end. at January 09, 2013 01:00 PM (VtjlW)

412
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 09, 2013 12:30 PM (bb5+k)

Actually the current law was pushed by Sonny Bono, a so-called Republican.


Posted by: Vic at January 09, 2013 12:39 PM (53z96)


Maybe so, but it was promoted by the Industry of which He had a substantial constituency. He was actually representing the best interests of his constituents.
Even so, I think the best interest of the Copyright Barons is NOT the best interest of the Nation or the People.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 09, 2013 01:00 PM (bb5+k)

413
If you see a particularly retarded commenter on AoSHQ, there's a 90% chance they stumbled here from Hot Air.

I really wish Townhall would employ a 'tard wrangler to keep their population from escaping.


Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 09, 2013 11:51 AM (SY2Kh)
Hey! Not all of us are like that... it's just madcon.

Posted by: Petrus at January 09, 2013 01:00 PM (OscGM)

414 I like Mandarins. Only problem is that so many of the self-anointed "elitists"
won't know what it means and are far to lazy to look it up. Keep in mind that these are the same sneering posers that have no problem with an Ivy League "educated" President admitting he can't handle anything harder than 7th grade math.

Posted by: Kim at January 09, 2013 01:01 PM (JSebC)

415
320 Posted by: DiogenesLamp
clearly stated and spot on.

I regard it as an attempt to mock and deride their potential opponents. They know their agendas are not popular in certain swaths of the country, so they seek to promote the ridiculous members of that society as the face of that society.
Communist/National socialist propaganda. They did it to the poles as well.

Posted by: Hamilton Burger at January 09, 2013 01:01 PM (J+6te)

416 How do you find the time to watch tv? Hardly watch any tv at all.

Posted by: Caustic at January 09, 2013 01:02 PM (/b8+5)

417 424 grey Fox,

Eh "yeah" "pure Brit" is kind of like Heinz 57....

better for not knowing

Posted by: sven10077 at January 09, 2013 01:02 PM (LRFds)

418 Ha! You're describing the New World elites who have never had to shed blood like the Old World variety. The Old World elites were a more hearty, hands-on group of battle tested murderers.

Posted by: Fritz at January 09, 2013 01:02 PM (/ZZCn)

419 If hand cranked triggers are now illegal, than the Gatling will now be illegal. I wonder what they intend to do about "Bump firing". My son can get around 600 rounds per minute through his AR-15 by that method.

Posted by: maddogg at January 09, 2013 01:02 PM (OlN4e)

420
This post actually has me thinking maybe I should bother to at least try to figure out why people like Honey BooBoo and Jersey Shore.

Hmm. Maybe not. I have hard time breaking my own prejudice they must just be incredibly stupid, vapid, shallow, and easily distracted.

Posted by: Entropy at January 09, 2013 01:03 PM (TULs6)

421 Who are you calling retarded?

Posted by: Hamilton Burger at January 09, 2013 01:03 PM (J+6te)

422 If hand cranked triggers are now illegal, than the Gatling will now be illegal. I wonder what they intend to do about "Bump firing". My son can get around 600 rounds per minute through his AR-15 by that method.
Posted by: maddogg at January 09, 2013 01:02 PM (OlN4e)

You can actually buy a bump fire stock for the AR, The feds frown on it.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at January 09, 2013 01:04 PM (l86i3)

423 OT I have food in the house but still can't decide what to munch on for lunch.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at January 09, 2013 01:04 PM (AgRBF)

424 >>>I've not seen one second of the Honey Boo Boo show or whatever its called. I do allow myself to obtain useless knowledge as its unavoidableunless you are locked in your house without contact to the outside world.

But those of us who honestly didn't know who it is are "pretending" and are "douchebags"? Please clarify.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at January 09, 2013 01:04 PM (oKVrA)

425 My son can get around 600 rounds per minute through his AR-15 by that method.

Posted by: maddogg at January 09, 2013 01:02 PM (OlN4e)

-----
I was STUNNED when BATFE approved the bump fire stock. Ive been tempted to get one and just toss it in the closet for SHTF.

Posted by: fixerupper at January 09, 2013 01:04 PM (nELVU)

426 They should neuter all people that act like animals, cause that's all it is.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at January 09, 2013 12:42 PM (l86i3)

I have long said that people who do not pay for their children's birth and upkeep ought to be sterilized for the good of the responsible citizenry. This business of letting welfare recipients produce a never ending stream of multi-father bastards is idiocy, and no society which wishes to remain functional should tolerate it.

Remember that discussion on the crime wave being caused by lead? It's caused by tolerating this nonsense.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 09, 2013 01:04 PM (bb5+k)

427 Quoting Entropy: "Hmm. Maybe not. I have hard time breaking my own prejudice they must
just be incredibly stupid, vapid, shallow, and easily distracted."

The truth cannot be prejudiced.

Posted by: Mr_Write at January 09, 2013 01:05 PM (CLkAH)

428 Damn it, it's "Downton" Abbey, not "Downtown" Abbey

Posted by: guy who got sucked into watching that show at January 09, 2013 01:05 PM (iEoiA)

429
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at January 09, 2013 01:04 PM (l86i3)




I know, but it can be bump fired without the stock, with some practice.

Posted by: maddogg at January 09, 2013 01:05 PM (OlN4e)

430 Ace,

I heartily recommend you read the book "The Art of Being Ruled". The author has a chapter which he calls "Millionaire Society", which directly addresses the group of people you are criticizing here, all the way back in the 1920's. Here is a little excerpt:

"It [the new "millionaire society"] is naturally, for itself, the best that has ever been - it is for it that the earth has laboured so long; the least of its sons and daughters exists in a swoon of luxury beside which the appointments of a medicean prince or princess would appear rustic and coarse. It is pleased with itself as Punch, and very naturally (with all this wealth and power and comfort) not criticism, but paeans of exultant praise - similar to what you meet in the advertisement columns of its newspapers, advertising its superlative goods - is what it expects of the writer, philosopher or artist, the traditional appanages of moneyed life. And that is what 'these charming people' get. For itself, it appears to have every imaginable advantage over former ages that money can buy: for is it not more democratic, to start with, than any other society comparable to it in power has ever been? Is it not more exquisitely 'artistic' and above all (and that is the thing about which there can be least question of all) more intelligent, more on the spot, more knowing; so that it is almost - or is it not quite? - intellectually 'self-supporting', as it were?"



Posted by: BS Inc. at January 09, 2013 01:05 PM (eP0u9)

431 So yes a Gatling Gun is a machine gun for the purposes of the law. However if you can find one manufactured before 1898 it is exempt from the laws.


Good luck, they go for around $300,000 now.
Posted by: Vic at January 09, 2013 12:55 PM (53z96)

No, it's not a machine gun. A minigun is but not a gatling gun.

"ATF and its predecessor agency, the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), have historically held that the original, crank-operated Gatling Gun, and replicas thereof, are not automatic firearms or machineguns as defined. See Rev. Rul. 55-528, 1955-2 C.B. 482. The original Gatling Gun is a rapid-firing, hand-operated weapon. The rate of fire is regulated by the rapidity of the hand cranking movement, manually controlled by the operator. It is not a "machinegun" as that term is defined in 26 U.S.C. 5845(b) because it is not a weapon that fires automatically"

Posted by: RWC at January 09, 2013 01:05 PM (fWAjv)

432 Posted by: Entropy at January 09, 2013 01:03 PM (TULs6)

These shows allow stupid people to watch even stupider people so they don't feel stupid. These shows are like 4th level stupid.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at January 09, 2013 01:05 PM (l86i3)

433 428 Doc Varno,

trying to make peace...we were on a honeyBoo tear here for about a month during the election cycle I used HoneyBoo fans prior to the rise of Free Shit Army.

trust me I'd be happier not knowing.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 09, 2013 01:06 PM (LRFds)

434
To the elites who don't watch reality shows...

You're missing some good tv. Try Gold Rush and Bearing Sea Gold.

Posted by: jwest at January 09, 2013 01:06 PM (ZDsRL)

435 Damn it, it's "Downton" Abbey, not "Downtown" Abbey

That's got Elizabeth McGovern.


I'd hit it.

Posted by: eleven at January 09, 2013 01:06 PM (KXm42)

436 The .36 caliber was common in Kentucky, think Daniel Boone and Davey Crockett. The Colt Patterson, a five shot revolver, was also a .36 caliber.

OT: I once heard someone say about a co-worker, "Aw hell, he's been fired more times than Davey Crockett's rifle."

Posted by: Mr. Dave in SPI at January 09, 2013 01:07 PM (OBDWE)

437
ace said: "People can only understand things in opposites. Ever notice that? To know what a thing is you must know specifically what it is not."

Dude, you just restated the reason Adam and Eve had to leave the Garden of Eden. They were children of light who only knew good and therefore had no wisdom or knowledge. They had to fall to comprehend that everything has its opposite. Light v Dark, Health v Sickness, Wisdom v Cleverness, Pleasure v Pain. To know good is to know that it is not evil.

Posted by: bonhomme at January 09, 2013 01:07 PM (8ifMA)

438 This post actually has me thinking maybe I should bother to at least try to figure out why people like Honey BooBoo and Jersey Shore.

Answer: Because most of the people who watch those shows do so to feel superior. Just like the neo-Mandarins we're talking about love to look down their nose at the "littel people," the "little people" feel the need to look down their nose at even "littler" people. Whether or not that sense of superiority is justified is a YMMV situation. The way those shows are packaged and marketed, they could be about the charitable work of virtuous nuns in the slums of Calcutta and it would still be about making the viewer feel better about themselves.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at January 09, 2013 01:08 PM (4df7R)

439 Posted by: Dr. Varno at January 09, 2013 01:04 PM (oKVrA)

You keep calling yourself that. I never did.

Posted by: polynikes at January 09, 2013 01:08 PM (m2CN7)

440 Does anyone else pray a fully loaded Peterbuilt will head-on the American Pickers truck?

Posted by: maddogg at January 09, 2013 01:09 PM (OlN4e)

441
"We need a new English word for Guillotine. The French one is too....French."

Slant-blade, gravity-driven head-chopper?

Posted by: bonhomme at January 09, 2013 01:10 PM (8ifMA)

442
It isn't really communism to acknowledge the caste system and want to put an end to it.


That's something conservatives need to learn. The MO mostly seems to be denying that such a thing exists at all and insisting we have a classless meritocratic society. Any acknowledgement of existing real class structures is seen as promoting class warfare.

Posted by: Entropy at January 09, 2013 01:10 PM (TULs6)

443 but does anyone have a realistic solution to this problem?


Posted by: Mr_Write at January 09, 2013 12:47 PM (CLkAH)

Laughter rocks the highest throne. New Media needs to expand it's power and ridicule these people mercilessly. Also dig through their dirty laundry and make it into comical videos as much as possible.

Ridicule is the only way to fight these people, but it takes creativity to do it well, and it takes the means of distribution to the target.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 09, 2013 01:11 PM (bb5+k)

444 "I have to ask: Is there anything we can actually do to stop these
ignorant stuck-ups? I'm as tired of them, yea, wearied by their endless
prattle and condescending attitudes, but does anyone have a realistic
solution to this problem?"

Vote for me!

Posted by: Zombie Andrew Jackson at January 09, 2013 01:11 PM (HjPtV)

445 Utterly, utterly obligatory -



http://youtu.be/bITmSpxUAA8

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Seriously, Sheldon/Penny to the end. at January 09, 2013 01:00 PM (VtjlW)

brb...

Posted by: EC at January 09, 2013 01:13 PM (GQ8sn)

446 444 Does anyone else pray a fully loaded Peterbuilt will head-on the American Pickers truck?
Posted by: maddogg at January 09, 2013 01:09 PM (OlN4e)

As long as it takes out some pawn shops along the way.

"Yeah, the Holy Lance is cool and all. But there really isn't a market for it. I'll give you 5 bucks."

Posted by: RWC at January 09, 2013 01:14 PM (fWAjv)

447 late to the party, but this goes with what I've been saying socialism is intellectual window dressing for totalitarianism.

when a swell, smug, or some other dick calls for socialism (or communism, whatever taxonomy is cool right now), they're basically saying "I should be in charge".

Socialism is just the latest excuse for why they should be given that power.*

* because it's them that they assume will be in charge.**

**because if you advocate for socialism without expectations of being the ruling class, you're just a pawn.

Posted by: joeindc44 wonders if anyone has any advice for the GOP at January 09, 2013 01:16 PM (QxSug)

448 These shows allow stupid people to watch even stupider people so they don't feel stupid. These shows are like 4th level stupid.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet, aka Jack July author of Amy Lynn available on Amazon. at January 09, 2013 01:05 PM (l86i3)

Great summation!

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at January 09, 2013 01:21 PM (bb5+k)

449 I don't agree.

They know what they want: power.

If you support their power they support you (the left and Islam are together now because of this). If you oppose their power they oppose you.

Islam wants absolute power so they support statism. Progressives want absolute power so they support statism.

It is that simple.

Posted by: GardenGnome at January 09, 2013 01:25 PM (ytax8)

450 just wanted to say, i love reading this post and the comments.

great post.

Posted by: ette- at January 09, 2013 01:25 PM (nqBYe)

451 Wow. Ace got a bug up his ass about me some time ago and it's buried itself deep, it seems.

And I like all the "he's from Hot Air herp derp" shit, despite the fact that I left HA quite a while ago. And the comments about Ed are hilarious, since it was Ed that wanted me off the site more than once.

Posted by: MadisonConservative at January 09, 2013 01:27 PM (Y/HG5)

452 Oddly, I was thinking about the general class thing this morning and had what I thought were a few profound, if trivial, thoughts. But I'll be damned if I will waste my profundity at the end of 500+ comment thread.

Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 09, 2013 01:27 PM (QupBk)

453 You keep calling yourself that. I never did.
Posted by: polynikes at January 09, 2013 01:08 PM (m2CN7)


"If you don't know who Honey Boo Boo is then you are living a purposedlysheltered a life as the douchebag elites we are discussing."
Posted by: polynikes at January 09, 2013 12:25 PM (m2CN7)

So I'm not a douchebag, but just "living a purposedlysheltered a life as the douchebag elites we are discussing."

Got it.
Fuck you.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at January 09, 2013 01:27 PM (oKVrA)

454 "Then he disappears"

Yeah, because I don't give that much of a shit. Maybe you want a dust-up, because that's important to you.

Posted by: MadisonConservative at January 09, 2013 01:28 PM (Y/HG5)

455 Ace,

Neptunus Lex, the late great mil-blogger and naval aviator, used to call the elites bien passant.

Posted by: NaCly Dog at January 09, 2013 01:29 PM (u82oZ)

456
Paul Fussell's book "Class" explains it all. Read it and grow wise.


Posted by: Brown Line at January 09, 2013 01:33 PM (VrNoa)

457 Ah, Possum Stew. The grease, the fat, the sinew, the grissle, the sand and gravel floating around ... brings back good memories of those varmint-eatin' days.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at January 09, 2013 01:38 PM (deaac)

458 Totten is sure right about the elite view of the Middle East.

I remember a State Department functionary being shocked, shocked I tell you, that an uprising broke out in Iraq after a parliament had been installed. Why, every religion, gender and class was represented! Whatever were they upset about? They all had their say, just like in Peace Studies class at Princeton!

Posted by: PJ at January 09, 2013 01:45 PM (ZWaLo)

459 "If you see a particularly retarded commenter on AoSHQ, there's a 90% chance they stumbled here from Hot Air.

Posted by: Hollowpoint"


The irony is delicious.

Posted by: MadisonConservative at January 09, 2013 01:46 PM (Y/HG5)

460 And so our "elites" -- and honestly, we need to start looking for a more accurate discriptor --

Why not just "Master Class", or "Our Masters"? ("Lords of Creation" sounds too religious; wouldn't want to be uninclusive.)

Posted by: George LeS at January 09, 2013 02:07 PM (C4s3i)

461 452 Oddly, I was thinking about the general class thing this morning and had what I thought were a few profound, if trivial, thoughts. But I'll be damned if I will waste my profundity at the end of 500+ comment thread.
Posted by: toby928© for TB at January 09, 2013 01:27 PM (QupBk)

Why don't you write up a post and mail it to Ace. I bet he posts it, he's supportive like that.

Posted by: Caustic at January 09, 2013 02:09 PM (/b8+5)

462 Great post, Ace, and an excellent comment thread, too.

(I'm at work and am reading this on my lunch break.)

Posted by: rickl at January 09, 2013 02:26 PM (zoehZ)

463 449
Islam wants absolute power so they support statism. Progressives want absolute power so they support statism.

Posted by: GardenGnome at January 09, 2013 01:25 PM (ytax


And each is trying to use the other as useful idiots who can be dealt with later.

Posted by: rickl at January 09, 2013 02:28 PM (zoehZ)

464 451 Madison Conservative,

I know you and I left near the same time.

I have no heat with you.

You are hardly the worst example of Mpoar Right....I wish you'd post more on matters here bud.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 09, 2013 02:44 PM (LRFds)

465 459 Madison Conservative,

Yup...I stumbled here from LGF and Captain's Quarters so I am MOAR RETARDED I guess.

Posted by: sven10077 at January 09, 2013 02:45 PM (LRFds)

466 Very often it's not the Communist critique that's the problem; it's the Communist solution.

Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at January 09, 2013 02:53 PM (Y5I9o)

467 "Yup...I stumbled here from LGF and Captain's Quarters so I am MOAR RETARDED I guess.


Posted by: sven10077"I could make a comment about being at LGF to begin with...eh, nah. The place we left is little better at this point, in terms of content.And eventually I might engage more, but for now, it's just a matter of figuring out the tone of the place...and apparently, it's a hair-trigger bitchfest if you address the host, and have the audacity to point out when they misattribute credit for an article.

Posted by: MadisonConservative at January 09, 2013 02:59 PM (Y/HG5)

468 We need a new word for Guillotine.

Fail clipper.

Posted by: Enby at January 09, 2013 03:01 PM (ptlfZ)

469
Honey Boo Boo is just an attempt by the entertainment industry to dehumanize red state people. There's been a lot of that. Harold and Kumar had a very unflattering portrayal of anything white and non-urban. Machete and Django glorify the killing of evil whitey.Mitt Romney was practically an evil Jew bankster, without actually being Jewish.

Posted by: JustLikeDavidHasselhoff at January 09, 2013 03:02 PM (Rwrs+)

470 "19 and here's the Seether angry again that he's not getting more attention.

Hey, dummy? I have written this same basic piece five times a year for eight years.

Stop playing your goddamned stupid games with me, Madison Conservative. What you seek to prove with your every shitty Look-At-Me post cannot be proven, not in comments.

Go fucking get a blog audience, dude. Then you can prove what a big man you are.

Posted by: ace at January 09, 2013 11:43 AM (LCRYB)"

Men, big or otherwise, own their shit. Even when their shit is stupid. ESPECIALLY when their shit is stupid. Nobody will forget your mistakes. That means you don't have the luxury of forgetting them either.

Posted by: Cackfinger at January 09, 2013 03:14 PM (CCHli)

471 19
and here's the Seether angry again that he's not getting more attention.



Hey, dummy? I have written this same basic piece five times a year for eight years.



Stop playing your goddamned stupid games with me, Madison
Conservative. What you seek to prove with your every shitty Look-At-Me
post cannot be proven, not in comments.



Go fucking get a blog audience, dude. Then you can prove what a big man you are.





Posted by: ace at January 09, 2013 11:43 AM (LCRYB)

The one from Hot Air? That Madison
Conservative? The reason I stopped reading their comments? Ah, makes sense now. Whenever someone tries to tear down another in the comments, I leave. Dissent, disagree, just don't be petty!

Posted by: Amy Shulkusky at January 09, 2013 03:22 PM (bdged)

472 And so our "elites" -- and honestly, we need to start looking for a more accurate discriptor

How about fauxgentsia? I bet even a libtard with a bogus degree in journalism would get it.

Posted by: Kim at January 09, 2013 05:19 PM (JSebC)

473 "Whenever someone tries to tear down another in the comments, I leave. Dissent, disagree, just don't be petty!


Posted by: Amy Shulkusky"

Unless Ace does it, is what you're basically saying.

Posted by: MadisonConservative at January 09, 2013 05:25 PM (sb+ta)

474 Cheap (well, relatively) and cool ancient British artifacts are readily available for purchase. Coins, rings, tools, you can get stuff around 1500 years old for less than a 100 bucks. Not much use, but great to hold and own. Attempt at link in name.

Posted by: Lincolntf at January 09, 2013 06:42 PM (ZshNr)

475 It's worse than that. The original "Lords" had to answer to Godregarding their treatment of their peasantry (part of the Great Chain of Being). The relationship between Lords Peasantry was reciprocal. The lords had a DUTY to keep the peasant's roof whole, and fields and roads in good shape, and the peasants would till the fields and shoe the oxen, etc (very brief sample of the whole). If your Lord wasn't doing what he should, y'all could meet with him and "discuss" it. That's what happened with King John Magna Carta.
See CS Lewis' book "The Discarded Image" for an analysis of the Mediaeval Period and into the Renaissance for the whole picture.
Susan Lee

Posted by: Susan Lee at January 09, 2013 07:04 PM (fdRmo)

476 There already was a term for guillotine in English:
the "Halifax gibbet." See:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/o8b2ov

No need to make up new ones....

Posted by: leftcoast at January 09, 2013 07:06 PM (aJgsx)

477 AoSHQ Possum Stew Thread 12/31/2012
http://minx.cc/?post=336156
Ctrl-F "possum"
Had to be there. Jones in CO had the best recipe that night.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at January 09, 2013 07:46 PM (1OZSU)

478 Elites do not punch down.

Posted by: nip at January 09, 2013 08:15 PM (11Tdq)

479 473
"Whenever someone tries to tear down another in the comments, I leave. Dissent, disagree, just don't be petty!




Posted by: Amy Shulkusky"

Unless Ace does it, is what you're basically saying.


Posted by: MadisonConservative at January 09, 2013 05:25 PM (sb+ta)

ACE does it? Where? When? I see ACE, in HIS house, saying what he chooses. His house.

Posted by: Amy Shulkusky at January 11, 2013 01:59 AM (bdged)

480
'And so our "elites" -- and honestly, we need to start looking for a more accurate discriptor -- come back with completely-wrong information about foreign countries.'
Angelo Codevilla coined the word "ruling class". That pretty much sums it up.

Posted by: Mr. Peabody at January 13, 2013 05:02 AM (0b17P)






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